<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/style.xsl" type="text/xsl"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><atom:link href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/yourparentingmojo/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><title><![CDATA[Your Parenting Mojo - Respectful, research-based parenting ideas to help kids thrive]]></title><podcast:guid>45fc692c-f881-5096-829c-19a24ec65494</podcast:guid><lastBuildDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2026 08:17:09 +0000</lastBuildDate><generator>Captivate.fm</generator><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><copyright><![CDATA[Jen Lumanlan - M.S., M.Ed]]></copyright><managingEditor>Jen Lumanlan</managingEditor><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Parenting is hard…but does it have to be this hard?

Wouldn’t it be better if your kids would stop pressing your buttons quite as often, and if there was a little more of you to go around (with maybe even some left over for yourself)?

On the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, Jen Lumanlan M.S., M.Ed explores academic research on parenting and child development.  But she doesn’t just tell you the results of the latest study - she interviews researchers at the top of their fields, and puts current information in the context of the decades of work that have come before it.  An average episode reviews ~30 peer-reviewed sources, and analyzes how the research fits into our culture and values - she does all the work, so you don’t have to!

Jen is the author of Parenting Beyond Power: How to Use Connection & Collaboration to Transform Your Family - and the World (Sasquatch/Penguin Random House).  The podcast draws on the ideas from the book to give you practical, realistic strategies to get beyond today’s whack-a-mole of issues.  Your Parenting Mojo also offers workshops and memberships to give you more support in implementing the ideas you hear on the show.

The single idea that underlies all of the episodes is that our behavior is our best attempt to meet our needs.  Your Parenting Mojo will help you to see through the confusing messages your child’s behavior is sending so you can parent with confidence: You’ll go from: “I don’t want to yell at you!” to “I’ve got a plan.”

New episodes are released every other week - there's content for parents who have a baby on the way through kids of middle school age.  Start listening now by exploring the rich library of episodes on meltdowns, sibling conflicts, parental burnout, screen time, eating vegetables, communication with your child - and your partner… and much much more! ]]></itunes:summary><image><url>https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg</url><title>Your Parenting Mojo - Respectful, research-based parenting ideas to help kids thrive</title><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com]]></link></image><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Jen Lumanlan</itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author>Jen Lumanlan</itunes:author><description>Parenting is hard…but does it have to be this hard?

Wouldn’t it be better if your kids would stop pressing your buttons quite as often, and if there was a little more of you to go around (with maybe even some left over for yourself)?

On the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, Jen Lumanlan M.S., M.Ed explores academic research on parenting and child development.  But she doesn’t just tell you the results of the latest study - she interviews researchers at the top of their fields, and puts current information in the context of the decades of work that have come before it.  An average episode reviews ~30 peer-reviewed sources, and analyzes how the research fits into our culture and values - she does all the work, so you don’t have to!

Jen is the author of Parenting Beyond Power: How to Use Connection &amp; Collaboration to Transform Your Family - and the World (Sasquatch/Penguin Random House).  The podcast draws on the ideas from the book to give you practical, realistic strategies to get beyond today’s whack-a-mole of issues.  Your Parenting Mojo also offers workshops and memberships to give you more support in implementing the ideas you hear on the show.

The single idea that underlies all of the episodes is that our behavior is our best attempt to meet our needs.  Your Parenting Mojo will help you to see through the confusing messages your child’s behavior is sending so you can parent with confidence: You’ll go from: “I don’t want to yell at you!” to “I’ve got a plan.”

New episodes are released every other week - there&apos;s content for parents who have a baby on the way through kids of middle school age.  Start listening now by exploring the rich library of episodes on meltdowns, sibling conflicts, parental burnout, screen time, eating vegetables, communication with your child - and your partner… and much much more! </description><link>https://yourparentingmojo.com</link><atom:link href="https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com" rel="hub"/><itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Respectful, research-based parenting ideas to help kids thrive]]></itunes:subtitle><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:category text="Kids &amp; Family"><itunes:category text="Parenting"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Kids &amp; Family"></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Education"></itunes:category><itunes:new-feed-url>https://feeds.captivate.fm/yourparentingmojo/</itunes:new-feed-url><podcast:locked>no</podcast:locked><podcast:medium>podcast</podcast:medium><item><title>262: How Limits Show Up in Your Child’s Body</title><itunes:title>262: How Limits Show Up in Your Child’s Body</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>If your morning routine for preschool looks less like a smooth routine and more like 21 rounds of "no", "stop", and "not like that" before 8 am, then things aren’t working well for either of you.</p><p> </p><p>In this episode, we walk through one ordinary preschool morning minute by minute, from the cereal bowl to the car seat buckle.</p><p> </p><p>We also learn how to move from: "how do I get my child to cooperate" to: what is going on inside my child's body right now, and what are they trying to communicate through the flopping, dawdling, silliness, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/childhood-defiance-setting-limits/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">defiance</a>?</p><p> </p><p>Because when you understand that, you can find strategies that meet <em>both </em>of your needs.</p><p> </p><h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2><p><strong>Why is my child so difficult in the morning?</strong> Preschoolers live almost entirely in the present moment and learn through movement and touch. When a morning is filled with a steady stream of corrections, their nervous system experiences it as "everything I do is wrong" - and the silliness, defiance, or shutdown you see is their body's response to that overload.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why is my child grumpy in the morning?</strong> It's often less about the time of day and more about the cumulative weight of limits. When children experience correction after correction with little room for exploration or connection, grumpiness and shutdown are common signals that their needs aren't being met.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why do kids dilly-dally and dawdle in the morning?</strong> What looks like dawdling is often a child following genuine curiosity, moving their body the way it wants to go, or trying to connect with you before the day pulls you apart.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is meant by "behavior is communication"?</strong> Preschoolers don't yet have the words to say "this is too much for me" or "I need to feel close to you right now". So they show you with their bodies. Finger-stirring cereal, flopping on the floor, asking to be carried - each of these is a message, if you know how to listen for it. When you understand that message you can help them meet their need - which also meets <em>your</em> needs for peace, ease, and order.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Is misbehavior an unmet need?</strong> Often, yes. When you look beneath challenging behaviors in young children, you frequently find unmet needs for things like autonomy, movement, connection, or play. The behavior is a signal pointing you toward what your child actually needs. If you want to find out your child’s biggest need (and easy, actionable strategies to meet it that make your life easier), take this <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/childs-needs-quiz?utm_source=website&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_content=How+Limits+Show+Up+in+Your+Child%E2%80%99s+Body" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">free quiz</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What are some reasons children misbehave?</strong> In early childhood, most challenging behavior traces back to a mismatch between a child's developmental capacity and what's being asked of them, combined with needs they’re trying to meet in ways you’re finding irritating.</p><p> </p><p>Preschoolers aren't misbehaving to make your life harder. They don’t know how else to meet their needs.</p><p> </p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2><ul><li>How to walk through a typical preschool morning routine and see it through your child's eyes, moment by moment</li><li>What your child's most frustrating behaviors (flopping, dawdling, silliness, defiance) are often communicating about their needs</li><li>Why the total number of corrections across a morning matters as much as any single limit you set</li><li>What your needs are in the morning routine, and why they are just as valid as your child's needs</li><li>How it’s possible to meet your needs AND your child’s needs</li><li>How to start moving toward fewer, clearer limits that your preschooler's nervous system can actually work with</li><li>What the research on parent-child interaction patterns tells us about where repeated correction leads over time</li><li>How parents who grew up in homes with heavy compliance expectations describe the long-term effects on themselves and their own parenting</li></ul><br/><p> </p><p>To help you put the ideas from this episode into practice, I've created a free worksheet: Your Difficult Morning Audit. You'll count your corrections, sort them, and start to see which limits are truly necessary - and which ones are habit.</p><p> </p><p>Get The Morning Audit Worksheet For Free</p><p> </p><p>If you thought "that's my kid" or "that's our mornings" - the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Setting Loving (&amp; Effective) Limits workshop</a> is for you.</p><p> </p><p>Learn how to see how many limits you're actually setting, sort them into what's truly necessary and what can soften or disappear, and practice holding fewer, clearer limits in a way your child's nervous system can actually handle.</p><p> </p><p>You get short focused modules, three live group coaching calls where you can bring your real situations, and a community of parents working through the same things.</p><p> </p><p>The self-guided workshop is available year-round, but every April we run it live to give you even more support.</p><p> </p><p>Enrollment is open until April 26. Until April 16 at midnight Pacific, you can Pay What You Want:- any amount (even $1) gets you full access. You choose what you pay. After that, the price moves up to a fixed rate.</p><p> </p><p>If you're ready to move from correction-heavy mornings to fewer, truer limits your preschooler can actually live with, come join us in the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p>01:27 Introduction to today’s episode</p><p>05:48 The behavior isn't defiance - it's communication about their needs.</p><p>08:21 Young children live in the present moment and learn through movement and repetition rather than explanations.</p><p>10:45 You're not the villain for wanting things to go smoothly. Getting out the door, you need to meet your responsibility to co-workers while staying connected to your kid.</p><p>13:58 Your child needs connection, autonomy, movement, exploration, play, and fun. You need ease, harmony, collaboration, and responsibility to others.</p><p>16:45 The Gottman research on couples suggests we need about five positive interactions for every negative one to stay connected.</p><p>18:43 As a young child, Crystal learned to read the room constantly. As a teenager, she rebelled hard and ended up heavily involved in drugs and alcohol.</p><p>30:38 Wrapping up the discussion.</p><p>31:40 An open invitation to Setting Loving (&amp;Effective) Limits workshop.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your morning routine for preschool looks less like a smooth routine and more like 21 rounds of "no", "stop", and "not like that" before 8 am, then things aren’t working well for either of you.</p><p> </p><p>In this episode, we walk through one ordinary preschool morning minute by minute, from the cereal bowl to the car seat buckle.</p><p> </p><p>We also learn how to move from: "how do I get my child to cooperate" to: what is going on inside my child's body right now, and what are they trying to communicate through the flopping, dawdling, silliness, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/childhood-defiance-setting-limits/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">defiance</a>?</p><p> </p><p>Because when you understand that, you can find strategies that meet <em>both </em>of your needs.</p><p> </p><h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2><p><strong>Why is my child so difficult in the morning?</strong> Preschoolers live almost entirely in the present moment and learn through movement and touch. When a morning is filled with a steady stream of corrections, their nervous system experiences it as "everything I do is wrong" - and the silliness, defiance, or shutdown you see is their body's response to that overload.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why is my child grumpy in the morning?</strong> It's often less about the time of day and more about the cumulative weight of limits. When children experience correction after correction with little room for exploration or connection, grumpiness and shutdown are common signals that their needs aren't being met.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why do kids dilly-dally and dawdle in the morning?</strong> What looks like dawdling is often a child following genuine curiosity, moving their body the way it wants to go, or trying to connect with you before the day pulls you apart.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is meant by "behavior is communication"?</strong> Preschoolers don't yet have the words to say "this is too much for me" or "I need to feel close to you right now". So they show you with their bodies. Finger-stirring cereal, flopping on the floor, asking to be carried - each of these is a message, if you know how to listen for it. When you understand that message you can help them meet their need - which also meets <em>your</em> needs for peace, ease, and order.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Is misbehavior an unmet need?</strong> Often, yes. When you look beneath challenging behaviors in young children, you frequently find unmet needs for things like autonomy, movement, connection, or play. The behavior is a signal pointing you toward what your child actually needs. If you want to find out your child’s biggest need (and easy, actionable strategies to meet it that make your life easier), take this <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/childs-needs-quiz?utm_source=website&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_content=How+Limits+Show+Up+in+Your+Child%E2%80%99s+Body" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">free quiz</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What are some reasons children misbehave?</strong> In early childhood, most challenging behavior traces back to a mismatch between a child's developmental capacity and what's being asked of them, combined with needs they’re trying to meet in ways you’re finding irritating.</p><p> </p><p>Preschoolers aren't misbehaving to make your life harder. They don’t know how else to meet their needs.</p><p> </p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2><ul><li>How to walk through a typical preschool morning routine and see it through your child's eyes, moment by moment</li><li>What your child's most frustrating behaviors (flopping, dawdling, silliness, defiance) are often communicating about their needs</li><li>Why the total number of corrections across a morning matters as much as any single limit you set</li><li>What your needs are in the morning routine, and why they are just as valid as your child's needs</li><li>How it’s possible to meet your needs AND your child’s needs</li><li>How to start moving toward fewer, clearer limits that your preschooler's nervous system can actually work with</li><li>What the research on parent-child interaction patterns tells us about where repeated correction leads over time</li><li>How parents who grew up in homes with heavy compliance expectations describe the long-term effects on themselves and their own parenting</li></ul><br/><p> </p><p>To help you put the ideas from this episode into practice, I've created a free worksheet: Your Difficult Morning Audit. You'll count your corrections, sort them, and start to see which limits are truly necessary - and which ones are habit.</p><p> </p><p>Get The Morning Audit Worksheet For Free</p><p> </p><p>If you thought "that's my kid" or "that's our mornings" - the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Setting Loving (&amp; Effective) Limits workshop</a> is for you.</p><p> </p><p>Learn how to see how many limits you're actually setting, sort them into what's truly necessary and what can soften or disappear, and practice holding fewer, clearer limits in a way your child's nervous system can actually handle.</p><p> </p><p>You get short focused modules, three live group coaching calls where you can bring your real situations, and a community of parents working through the same things.</p><p> </p><p>The self-guided workshop is available year-round, but every April we run it live to give you even more support.</p><p> </p><p>Enrollment is open until April 26. Until April 16 at midnight Pacific, you can Pay What You Want:- any amount (even $1) gets you full access. You choose what you pay. After that, the price moves up to a fixed rate.</p><p> </p><p>If you're ready to move from correction-heavy mornings to fewer, truer limits your preschooler can actually live with, come join us in the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p>01:27 Introduction to today’s episode</p><p>05:48 The behavior isn't defiance - it's communication about their needs.</p><p>08:21 Young children live in the present moment and learn through movement and repetition rather than explanations.</p><p>10:45 You're not the villain for wanting things to go smoothly. Getting out the door, you need to meet your responsibility to co-workers while staying connected to your kid.</p><p>13:58 Your child needs connection, autonomy, movement, exploration, play, and fun. You need ease, harmony, collaboration, and responsibility to others.</p><p>16:45 The Gottman research on couples suggests we need about five positive interactions for every negative one to stay connected.</p><p>18:43 As a young child, Crystal learned to read the room constantly. As a teenager, she rebelled hard and ended up heavily involved in drugs and alcohol.</p><p>30:38 Wrapping up the discussion.</p><p>31:40 An open invitation to Setting Loving (&amp;Effective) Limits workshop.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/preschool-morning-routine-behavior]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">36e74b2e-35ae-43f6-82bd-e2e6a3f7c638</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/36e74b2e-35ae-43f6-82bd-e2e6a3f7c638.mp3" length="35791561" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>262</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>262</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8d576015-7689-4495-ba88-e10cb7f15b08/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>261: Why Your Kids Fight (It’s Not What You Think)</title><itunes:title>261: Why Your Kids Fight (It’s Not What You Think)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">If your kids are fighting constantly, you're probably exhausted from playing referee. Maybe they're arguing over whose toy is whose, poking and teasing each other until someone cries, or telling you two completely different stories about what happened. And when you step in to help, nothing seems to work.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this free </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondthebehavior/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Beyond the Behavior</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> group coaching call, parent Stacey’s 12-year-old and 7-year-old are caught in a cycle of constant sibling conflict - poking, teasing, hitting, and yes, even lying to get each other in trouble. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">We might think that sibling fighting is about mean-ness, but actually it’s a signal of underlying needs.  Once you understand what's driving the behavior, you'll have real tools to help your kids work through conflict - and a process for helping them find solutions that work for both of them.</span>

 

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<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Questions This Episode Will Answer</span></h2>
<b>Is sibling fighting normal?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Some conflict between siblings is common, but constant fighting - where nothing you try seems to work - is usually a signal that your child is trying to meet a specific need. Once you know what it is, it will be much easier to find a strategy that works for both of you.</span>

 

<b>What causes siblings to fight so much?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">The reason kids fight is often not what it looks like on the surface. Common needs children are trying to meet through fighting include:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Connection with a parent (when they hit a sibling, they know they have your attention!)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">To be seen/known/understood by you, and they don’t know how to express that, and they take out their frustration on their sibling</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">To play!  A surprising number of kids will hit another kid to say: “Will you play with me?”</span></li></ul><br/>
 

<b>What are the most common triggers for sibling fights?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Most sibling fights start with an immediate need to play, a need for connection with you (and fighting with their sibling gets your attention) or a broader lack of wellbeing in the family that they express through hitting and fighting.</span>

 

<b>Is it okay to let siblings work it out themselves?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Stepping back feels logical when nothing you do helps. But kids may think that you don’t care whether or how they fight, which doesn’t lead them to fight less.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Instead, spending some time teaching them some new conflict resolution skills now will save you from </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">years</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> of refereeing their fighting down the road.</span>

 

<b>How do you get siblings to stop hitting each other?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Sibling hitting is almost never just about aggression. There's usually something else going on underneath it - very often needs for things like connection, to be seen, known, and understood by you, and maybe even play with their sibling. Addressing those needs changes the behavior far more effectively than consequences do.  You can do this by:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Connecting 1:1 for 10 minutes a day, doing something your child enjoys</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Understanding the major challenges they’re facing (e.g. school, new sibling, other major life changes) and supporting them through those challenges</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Teaching kids how to say: “Do you want to play?” and “Yes!”, “Not right now, but maybe later” and “No thanks!”.</span></li></ul><br/>
 

<b>How do you handle it when siblings lie about who started the fight?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">When both kids are telling different stories, trying to figure out who's right pulls you into a dead end. Instead of investigating the past, shift your focus to what each child needed in that moment - and how to help them get it in a way that works for both of them.</span>

 

<b>How do you resolve sibling conflict without refereeing every fight?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">You can teach kids a specific process to stop their fights: name their feelings, identify what they need in that moment, and then brainstorm strategies that could meet both people's needs. Parents can teach this by practicing it in low-stakes moments first - not in the middle of a fight.</span>

 

<b>How do you get siblings to stop tattling?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Tattling usually happens when a child wants a parent to take their side. When kids learn to identify what they need in a conflict and how to ask for it directly, the motivation to tattle drops - because they have a more effective way to get their needs met.</span>

 
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What You'll Learn in This Episode</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why sibling fighting is often a bid for connection - and why that reframe matters for how you respond</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why one child hitting another can actually be an attempt to play, not a sign of aggression</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">What it means to make a "bid for connection", and how to help both the child making the bid and the one receiving it</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why stepping back and letting kids handle conflict themselves can backfire - and what needs to be in place before that becomes a realistic option</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to use feelings and needs language as a conflict resolution tool - and why starting with low-stakes moments between you and your child (not between the kids) is the most effective first step</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why special one-on-one time with each child plays a bigger role in sibling conflict than most parents realize</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to work with kids who shut down and won't talk - including non-verbal ways to stay connected in a hard moment</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">A practical way to help even young children start solving conflicts together - including a real example of a 3-year-old and 5-year-old doing exactly that within weeks of their parents starting this approach</span></li></ul><br/>
 

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:48 Introduction to today’s episode

03:42 Parent Stacey shares the situation wherein her 12-year-old and 7-year-old are constantly fighting, poking, and teasing. Both kids have admitted to lying about what happened because they want to get each other in trouble.

06:03 Conflicts often start over objects, but attention, specifically connection, is the real driver behind much of the fighting.

06:39 Jen explains how we can shift from the negative connotation of "attention-seeking" to understanding it as kids looking for connection with each other and with parents.

10:58 Jen helps Stacey think about when one-on-one time could happen, like during drives to sports practice, and how to balance everyone's needs, including the parents' needs for rest and couple time.

12:45 What's missing is a real understanding of what needs are coming up for each person in their interactions.

17:43 Kids try to meet the same needs over and over. Connection and autonomy are almost always in the top three.

20:13 Wrapping up.

20:33 An open invitation to join the next Beyond the Behavior call.

20:40 An open invitation to the flash sale on one-on-one coaching until April 5.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">If your kids are fighting constantly, you're probably exhausted from playing referee. Maybe they're arguing over whose toy is whose, poking and teasing each other until someone cries, or telling you two completely different stories about what happened. And when you step in to help, nothing seems to work.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this free </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondthebehavior/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Beyond the Behavior</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> group coaching call, parent Stacey’s 12-year-old and 7-year-old are caught in a cycle of constant sibling conflict - poking, teasing, hitting, and yes, even lying to get each other in trouble. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">We might think that sibling fighting is about mean-ness, but actually it’s a signal of underlying needs.  Once you understand what's driving the behavior, you'll have real tools to help your kids work through conflict - and a process for helping them find solutions that work for both of them.</span>

 

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<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Questions This Episode Will Answer</span></h2>
<b>Is sibling fighting normal?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Some conflict between siblings is common, but constant fighting - where nothing you try seems to work - is usually a signal that your child is trying to meet a specific need. Once you know what it is, it will be much easier to find a strategy that works for both of you.</span>

 

<b>What causes siblings to fight so much?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">The reason kids fight is often not what it looks like on the surface. Common needs children are trying to meet through fighting include:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Connection with a parent (when they hit a sibling, they know they have your attention!)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">To be seen/known/understood by you, and they don’t know how to express that, and they take out their frustration on their sibling</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">To play!  A surprising number of kids will hit another kid to say: “Will you play with me?”</span></li></ul><br/>
 

<b>What are the most common triggers for sibling fights?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Most sibling fights start with an immediate need to play, a need for connection with you (and fighting with their sibling gets your attention) or a broader lack of wellbeing in the family that they express through hitting and fighting.</span>

 

<b>Is it okay to let siblings work it out themselves?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Stepping back feels logical when nothing you do helps. But kids may think that you don’t care whether or how they fight, which doesn’t lead them to fight less.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Instead, spending some time teaching them some new conflict resolution skills now will save you from </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">years</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> of refereeing their fighting down the road.</span>

 

<b>How do you get siblings to stop hitting each other?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Sibling hitting is almost never just about aggression. There's usually something else going on underneath it - very often needs for things like connection, to be seen, known, and understood by you, and maybe even play with their sibling. Addressing those needs changes the behavior far more effectively than consequences do.  You can do this by:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Connecting 1:1 for 10 minutes a day, doing something your child enjoys</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Understanding the major challenges they’re facing (e.g. school, new sibling, other major life changes) and supporting them through those challenges</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Teaching kids how to say: “Do you want to play?” and “Yes!”, “Not right now, but maybe later” and “No thanks!”.</span></li></ul><br/>
 

<b>How do you handle it when siblings lie about who started the fight?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">When both kids are telling different stories, trying to figure out who's right pulls you into a dead end. Instead of investigating the past, shift your focus to what each child needed in that moment - and how to help them get it in a way that works for both of them.</span>

 

<b>How do you resolve sibling conflict without refereeing every fight?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">You can teach kids a specific process to stop their fights: name their feelings, identify what they need in that moment, and then brainstorm strategies that could meet both people's needs. Parents can teach this by practicing it in low-stakes moments first - not in the middle of a fight.</span>

 

<b>How do you get siblings to stop tattling?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Tattling usually happens when a child wants a parent to take their side. When kids learn to identify what they need in a conflict and how to ask for it directly, the motivation to tattle drops - because they have a more effective way to get their needs met.</span>

 
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What You'll Learn in This Episode</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why sibling fighting is often a bid for connection - and why that reframe matters for how you respond</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why one child hitting another can actually be an attempt to play, not a sign of aggression</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">What it means to make a "bid for connection", and how to help both the child making the bid and the one receiving it</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why stepping back and letting kids handle conflict themselves can backfire - and what needs to be in place before that becomes a realistic option</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to use feelings and needs language as a conflict resolution tool - and why starting with low-stakes moments between you and your child (not between the kids) is the most effective first step</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why special one-on-one time with each child plays a bigger role in sibling conflict than most parents realize</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to work with kids who shut down and won't talk - including non-verbal ways to stay connected in a hard moment</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">A practical way to help even young children start solving conflicts together - including a real example of a 3-year-old and 5-year-old doing exactly that within weeks of their parents starting this approach</span></li></ul><br/>
 

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:48 Introduction to today’s episode

03:42 Parent Stacey shares the situation wherein her 12-year-old and 7-year-old are constantly fighting, poking, and teasing. Both kids have admitted to lying about what happened because they want to get each other in trouble.

06:03 Conflicts often start over objects, but attention, specifically connection, is the real driver behind much of the fighting.

06:39 Jen explains how we can shift from the negative connotation of "attention-seeking" to understanding it as kids looking for connection with each other and with parents.

10:58 Jen helps Stacey think about when one-on-one time could happen, like during drives to sports practice, and how to balance everyone's needs, including the parents' needs for rest and couple time.

12:45 What's missing is a real understanding of what needs are coming up for each person in their interactions.

17:43 Kids try to meet the same needs over and over. Connection and autonomy are almost always in the top three.

20:13 Wrapping up.

20:33 An open invitation to join the next Beyond the Behavior call.

20:40 An open invitation to the flash sale on one-on-one coaching until April 5.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/sibling-conflict-resolution]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">af51b4fc-a7ab-4b66-8b40-b2ae45a9a090</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/af51b4fc-a7ab-4b66-8b40-b2ae45a9a090.mp3" length="21194927" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>22:01</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>261</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>261</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/678d840c-ec09-454e-8468-391b8ce22f95/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>260: How the World’s Toxic Systems Live Inside Our Parenting</title><itunes:title>260: How the World’s Toxic Systems Live Inside Our Parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[If you've been watching the news and feeling despair because you can’t do anything about it, this episode is for you.

The Epstein files, revealing how powerful men think about, talk about, and treat women.

ICE raids tearing families apart.

Strikes on Iranian cities - and schools full of children!

In this episode, I make a direct connection between these social issues and what happens inside our homes every day.

The patterns playing out on a global scale - where the person with more power decides whose feelings count - show up in our families too, often in moments we don't even notice, and that seem like they’re about discipline. The decisions we make in those moments are quietly teaching our kids lessons we may not intend to pass on.
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What do ICE raids have to do with parenting?</strong> When children watch some families live in fear of being separated while others are basically safe by default, they learn that some people's safety matters more than others. That same lesson can show up at home when we use our power as parents to override our kids' <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/feelings/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">feelings</a> and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/needs/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">needs</a>.

<strong>Why is it important to teach kids about consent? </strong>Research shows that girls start shifting from seeing their body as something that helps them do things to seeing it as something to be judged - often earlier than we realize. Teaching consent starts long before those conversations about sex. It starts when we stop forcing our children to accept hugs and give kisses they don’t want from well-meaning relatives.

<strong>How do you explain consent to children?</strong> Consent is about whose body, feelings, and needs matter most. When we override our child's no - even in small everyday moments - we teach them that the person with more power wins. This episode explores what it looks like to do things differently.

<strong>How do the Iran strikes connect to how we raise our kids?</strong> When leaders frame bombing cities where children live as "protecting freedom", they're using the same logic many of us heard growing up: that hurting someone with less power is justified when the person with more power decides it's for a good reason. This episode traces that logic from foreign policy all the way back to the family dinner table.

<strong>What does it mean that we're all part of the system - not just the people doing obvious harm?</strong> It's easy to point to the person at the center causing the most visible damage. But around that person are rings of people who actively enable them, then people who know and look away, and then the rest of us - making decisions every day in our families and communities that make it more or less likely that people with power can keep using it. This episode explains what that outermost ring looks like in ordinary family life, and what it means to resist it from there.
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">Why the same power dynamics driving ICE raids, the Epstein files, and the Iran strikes also show up in everyday parenting moments</li><li data-list="bullet">How the language our leaders use about migrants, women, and foreign countries shapes what our kids quietly absorb about whose lives matter</li><li data-list="bullet">What research tells us about how girls experience the shift from body ownership to body judgment - and what parents can do to slow that shift down</li><li data-list="bullet">Why the parents who explode when their kids say no are often people who were never allowed to say no themselves</li><li data-list="bullet">How using power to manage our kids' behavior in stressful moments teaches the same lesson as the biggest injustices in the news - just on a smaller scale</li><li data-list="bullet">What it looks like to build a home where your child's feelings and needs count - even when you're overwhelmed</li></ol><br/>
<h2>Taming Your Triggers</h2>
If you recognized yourself anywhere in this episode - if you know that when the poop hits the fan you fall back on power because you don't know what else to do - that's exactly what we work on in my Taming Your Triggers workshop.

In the workshop, we go deep on why you get triggered, what you actually need in those moments, and how to build a different response from the inside out - so you're not just white-knuckling it through the hard moments anymore.

Click the banner to learn more.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:44 Jen explains she's pulling back the curtain on how bigger social systems like racism, sexism, and power dynamics connect directly to our parenting decisions and our children's development.

02:51 Listeners said social systems have nothing to do with parenting, but the stress of staying silent was literally showing up in her body.

04:00 How bad actors at the center are enabled by people who actively support them, people who know but ignore it, and the rest of us who make daily decisions that either challenge or reinforce these power structures.

06:43 When we use power over our kids in everyday moments like getting them to eat vegetables or put on shoes, we're teaching them who has power and who doesn't, normalizing the idea that more powerful people can and should control weaker people.

07:03 How powerful men treat girls' and women's bodies as disposable, and the whole system backs them up. This isn't unique - it's a pattern where online harassment and threats silence women who put ideas and opinions into the world.

11:31 When we try to be thinner for the male gaze, watch movies where the point is getting married to a guy, or don't discuss with our kids how all the girls in books end up partnered, we're part of creating an environment where girls see their bodies as objects to be judged rather than tools to do things.

18:23 Our children are learning that some families are always on the edge of being torn apart, while others are safe by default, and this same pattern shows up at home when we use power because we're overwhelmed.

22:47 The message our children hear is that it can be acceptable to kill some people's children to keep our children safe; their children's bodies are less valuable than our children's bodies.

29:18 If we live without violence, we're outsourcing our conflict to unseen powers and detonating it elsewhere. The invisible privilege of our peaceful existence is actually an act of violence carried out by people in the global south, people in ghettos, and economically marginalized people in prisons.

30:42 If our homes look calm because our kids have learned to shut down and stop bringing us hard truths, that's not real peace; the conflict has just gone underground into our children's bodies, where they've learned to stuff down their needs for connection, autonomy, and boisterous play.

33:40 Whether we talk to our kids about these issues matters less than how we are with them. They remember what we do more than what we say. If we use power over them in daily moments, we're creating the conditions where all that other stuff can happen in the world.

36:38 Parents in the Taming Your Triggers workshop share how understanding needs, widening their window of tolerance, and creating a pause between behavior and response helps them stay regulated instead of outsourcing their overwhelm to their children.

41:50 An open invitation to join the Taming Your Triggers workshop

<strong>References:</strong>

Carmo, A. (2025, November 20). AI and anonymity fuel surge in digital violence against women. <em>UN News</em>. <a href="https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/11/1166411" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/11/1166411</a>

National Organization for Women. (2025, March 5). <em>One in four American women face online harassment: 69% of women believe current laws to protect them are insufficient</em>. <a href="https://now.org/media-center/press-release/one-in-four-american-women-face-online-harassment-69-of-women-believe-current-laws-to-protect-them-are-insufficient/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://now.org/media-center/press-release/one-in-four-american-women-face-online-harassment-69-of-women-believe-current-laws-to-protect-them-are-insufficient/</a>

Rice, E., Gibbs, J., Winetrobe, H., &amp; Rhoades, H. (2014). <em>Tweens and teens who receive sexts are 6 times more likely to report having had sex</em> [Press release]. USC Today. <a href="https://today.usc.edu/tweens-and-teens-who-receive-sexts-are-6-times-more-likely-to-report-having-had-sex/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://today.usc.edu/tweens-and-teens-who-receive-sexts-are-6-times-more-likely-to-report-having-had-sex/</a>

Spencer, T. (2024, July 1). Newly released Epstein transcripts: Florida prosecutors knew billionaire raped teen girls years before cutting deal. <em>PBS NewsHour</em>. <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/newly-released-epstein-transcript-florida-prosecutors-knew-billionaire-raped-teen-girls-years-before-cutting-deal" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/newly-released-epstein-transcript-florida-prosecutors-knew-billionaire-raped-teen-girls-years-before-cutting-deal</a>

Wihbey, J., &amp; Kille, L. W. (2015, July 13). Internet harassment and online threats targeting women: Research review. <em>The Journalist's Resource</em>. <a href="https://journalistsresource.org/criminal-justice/internet-harassment-online-threats-targeting-women-research-review/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://journalistsresource.org/criminal-justice/internet-harassment-online-threats-targeting-women-research-review/</a>...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[If you've been watching the news and feeling despair because you can’t do anything about it, this episode is for you.

The Epstein files, revealing how powerful men think about, talk about, and treat women.

ICE raids tearing families apart.

Strikes on Iranian cities - and schools full of children!

In this episode, I make a direct connection between these social issues and what happens inside our homes every day.

The patterns playing out on a global scale - where the person with more power decides whose feelings count - show up in our families too, often in moments we don't even notice, and that seem like they’re about discipline. The decisions we make in those moments are quietly teaching our kids lessons we may not intend to pass on.
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What do ICE raids have to do with parenting?</strong> When children watch some families live in fear of being separated while others are basically safe by default, they learn that some people's safety matters more than others. That same lesson can show up at home when we use our power as parents to override our kids' <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/feelings/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">feelings</a> and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/needs/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">needs</a>.

<strong>Why is it important to teach kids about consent? </strong>Research shows that girls start shifting from seeing their body as something that helps them do things to seeing it as something to be judged - often earlier than we realize. Teaching consent starts long before those conversations about sex. It starts when we stop forcing our children to accept hugs and give kisses they don’t want from well-meaning relatives.

<strong>How do you explain consent to children?</strong> Consent is about whose body, feelings, and needs matter most. When we override our child's no - even in small everyday moments - we teach them that the person with more power wins. This episode explores what it looks like to do things differently.

<strong>How do the Iran strikes connect to how we raise our kids?</strong> When leaders frame bombing cities where children live as "protecting freedom", they're using the same logic many of us heard growing up: that hurting someone with less power is justified when the person with more power decides it's for a good reason. This episode traces that logic from foreign policy all the way back to the family dinner table.

<strong>What does it mean that we're all part of the system - not just the people doing obvious harm?</strong> It's easy to point to the person at the center causing the most visible damage. But around that person are rings of people who actively enable them, then people who know and look away, and then the rest of us - making decisions every day in our families and communities that make it more or less likely that people with power can keep using it. This episode explains what that outermost ring looks like in ordinary family life, and what it means to resist it from there.
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">Why the same power dynamics driving ICE raids, the Epstein files, and the Iran strikes also show up in everyday parenting moments</li><li data-list="bullet">How the language our leaders use about migrants, women, and foreign countries shapes what our kids quietly absorb about whose lives matter</li><li data-list="bullet">What research tells us about how girls experience the shift from body ownership to body judgment - and what parents can do to slow that shift down</li><li data-list="bullet">Why the parents who explode when their kids say no are often people who were never allowed to say no themselves</li><li data-list="bullet">How using power to manage our kids' behavior in stressful moments teaches the same lesson as the biggest injustices in the news - just on a smaller scale</li><li data-list="bullet">What it looks like to build a home where your child's feelings and needs count - even when you're overwhelmed</li></ol><br/>
<h2>Taming Your Triggers</h2>
If you recognized yourself anywhere in this episode - if you know that when the poop hits the fan you fall back on power because you don't know what else to do - that's exactly what we work on in my Taming Your Triggers workshop.

In the workshop, we go deep on why you get triggered, what you actually need in those moments, and how to build a different response from the inside out - so you're not just white-knuckling it through the hard moments anymore.

Click the banner to learn more.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:44 Jen explains she's pulling back the curtain on how bigger social systems like racism, sexism, and power dynamics connect directly to our parenting decisions and our children's development.

02:51 Listeners said social systems have nothing to do with parenting, but the stress of staying silent was literally showing up in her body.

04:00 How bad actors at the center are enabled by people who actively support them, people who know but ignore it, and the rest of us who make daily decisions that either challenge or reinforce these power structures.

06:43 When we use power over our kids in everyday moments like getting them to eat vegetables or put on shoes, we're teaching them who has power and who doesn't, normalizing the idea that more powerful people can and should control weaker people.

07:03 How powerful men treat girls' and women's bodies as disposable, and the whole system backs them up. This isn't unique - it's a pattern where online harassment and threats silence women who put ideas and opinions into the world.

11:31 When we try to be thinner for the male gaze, watch movies where the point is getting married to a guy, or don't discuss with our kids how all the girls in books end up partnered, we're part of creating an environment where girls see their bodies as objects to be judged rather than tools to do things.

18:23 Our children are learning that some families are always on the edge of being torn apart, while others are safe by default, and this same pattern shows up at home when we use power because we're overwhelmed.

22:47 The message our children hear is that it can be acceptable to kill some people's children to keep our children safe; their children's bodies are less valuable than our children's bodies.

29:18 If we live without violence, we're outsourcing our conflict to unseen powers and detonating it elsewhere. The invisible privilege of our peaceful existence is actually an act of violence carried out by people in the global south, people in ghettos, and economically marginalized people in prisons.

30:42 If our homes look calm because our kids have learned to shut down and stop bringing us hard truths, that's not real peace; the conflict has just gone underground into our children's bodies, where they've learned to stuff down their needs for connection, autonomy, and boisterous play.

33:40 Whether we talk to our kids about these issues matters less than how we are with them. They remember what we do more than what we say. If we use power over them in daily moments, we're creating the conditions where all that other stuff can happen in the world.

36:38 Parents in the Taming Your Triggers workshop share how understanding needs, widening their window of tolerance, and creating a pause between behavior and response helps them stay regulated instead of outsourcing their overwhelm to their children.

41:50 An open invitation to join the Taming Your Triggers workshop

<strong>References:</strong>

Carmo, A. (2025, November 20). AI and anonymity fuel surge in digital violence against women. <em>UN News</em>. <a href="https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/11/1166411" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/11/1166411</a>

National Organization for Women. (2025, March 5). <em>One in four American women face online harassment: 69% of women believe current laws to protect them are insufficient</em>. <a href="https://now.org/media-center/press-release/one-in-four-american-women-face-online-harassment-69-of-women-believe-current-laws-to-protect-them-are-insufficient/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://now.org/media-center/press-release/one-in-four-american-women-face-online-harassment-69-of-women-believe-current-laws-to-protect-them-are-insufficient/</a>

Rice, E., Gibbs, J., Winetrobe, H., &amp; Rhoades, H. (2014). <em>Tweens and teens who receive sexts are 6 times more likely to report having had sex</em> [Press release]. USC Today. <a href="https://today.usc.edu/tweens-and-teens-who-receive-sexts-are-6-times-more-likely-to-report-having-had-sex/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://today.usc.edu/tweens-and-teens-who-receive-sexts-are-6-times-more-likely-to-report-having-had-sex/</a>

Spencer, T. (2024, July 1). Newly released Epstein transcripts: Florida prosecutors knew billionaire raped teen girls years before cutting deal. <em>PBS NewsHour</em>. <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/newly-released-epstein-transcript-florida-prosecutors-knew-billionaire-raped-teen-girls-years-before-cutting-deal" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/newly-released-epstein-transcript-florida-prosecutors-knew-billionaire-raped-teen-girls-years-before-cutting-deal</a>

Wihbey, J., &amp; Kille, L. W. (2015, July 13). Internet harassment and online threats targeting women: Research review. <em>The Journalist's Resource</em>. <a href="https://journalistsresource.org/criminal-justice/internet-harassment-online-threats-targeting-women-research-review/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://journalistsresource.org/criminal-justice/internet-harassment-online-threats-targeting-women-research-review/</a>

Ruvalcaba, Y., Mercer Kollar, L. M., Jones, S. E., Mercado, M. C., Leemis, R. W., &amp; Ma, Z.-Q. (2022). Adolescent sexting, violence, and sexual behaviors: An analysis of 2014 and 2016 Pennsylvania Youth Risk Behavior Survey data. <em>Journal of School Health</em>, <em>93</em>(8), 690-697. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1111/josh.13290" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1111/josh.13290</a>

National Organization for Women &amp; Incogni. (2025). <em>One in four women experience online harassment, with ethnic diverse backgrounds and younger generations facing the highest rates</em>. <a href="https://now.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/NOWxIncogni_Online-abuse-survey.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://now.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/NOWxIncogni_Online-abuse-survey.pdf</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/ice-raids-epstein-power-parenting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">25d4b3d1-aa31-4c54-8047-7afd2fbee904</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/25d4b3d1-aa31-4c54-8047-7afd2fbee904.mp3" length="42393289" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:10</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>260</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>260</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/562941e0-58f5-4675-a49c-cde7c4ce3b99/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 09: Is Your Child’s Diagnosis Reliable? The DSM Explained</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 09: Is Your Child’s Diagnosis Reliable? The DSM Explained</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When a doctor hands your child a diagnosis, it can be a relief - finally, an explanation for their behavior! But sociologist Dr. Allan Horwitz has spent decades studying how psychiatric diagnoses are made, and what he's found raises serious questions about how much weight that label should carry.

In this episode, Dr. Horwitz walks through how the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) - the manual that defines every mental health diagnosis - was built less on scientific research than on professional politics, institutional pressure, and the practical needs of insurance companies.

He traces how depression went from a diagnosis given to a small fraction of the population to one of the most common diagnoses in the world, and explains exactly what happened to reliability when the DSM-5 was tested in real clinical conditions.

He also looks at how the same behaviors get labeled very differently depending on a child's age, race, class, and cultural background - and why that matters for every parent trying to figure out whether a diagnosis is actually helping their child.

This episode won't tell you to reject diagnosis outright. But it will give you the critical knowledge to ask better questions when a label is offered for your child.
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is the DSM and why does it matter for my child?</strong>

The DSM is the manual psychiatrists and psychologists use to diagnose every mental health condition. It determines what insurance will cover, what services your child can access, and what label follows them through school and into treatment.

<strong>Who created the DSM and who controls it?</strong>

The American Psychiatric Association publishes the DSM, but its diagnostic criteria were largely shaped by a small group of people - predominantly white men with ties to pharmaceutical companies - whose process looked more like sausage-making than science.

<strong>Why is DSM-5 criticized by researchers?</strong>

Field trials for DSM-5 showed reliability had actually declined from earlier editions. For some of the most common diagnoses, including major depression and generalized anxiety, agreement between clinicians was barely better than chance.

<strong>Is a psychiatric diagnosis actually reliable?</strong>

Reliability means two different clinicians would give the same patient the same diagnosis. Research on the DSM-5 shows this is far less consistent than most parents assume - and a reliable diagnosis still isn't necessarily a correct one.

<strong>Are children being overdiagnosed with mental health conditions?</strong>

Research shows that the youngest children in a classroom are significantly more likely to receive a psychiatric diagnosis than their older classmates, especially for ADHD - suggesting that what's being measured is developmental maturity, not a mental disorder.

<strong>Does the DSM apply equally to children from different cultural backgrounds?</strong>

The DSM was built on a Euro-centric framework, and critics argue it pathologizes behaviors that are normal or valued in many Global Majority cultures. This has real consequences for how children from different backgrounds get diagnosed and treated.

<strong>Why do mental health diagnoses focus on the individual instead of their circumstances?</strong>

The DSM is deliberately designed to identify disorders within a person rather than look at the conditions around them. It makes sense that a person going through a relationship breakup might feel sad, angry, and/or uncertain about the future. That doesn’t mean they’re ‘depressed.’ Dr. Horwitz explains what that choice costs - and who pays the most.
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">Why diagnosis serves the psychiatric profession and the insurance system in ways that don’t always help the person being diagnosed</li><li data-list="bullet">How the shift from psychoanalysis to the DSM-3 in 1980 dramatically expanded who could be diagnosed with depression - and why that shift was driven by professional rivalry, not new science</li><li data-list="bullet">What reliability and validity actually mean in psychiatric diagnosis, and why the numbers from DSM-5 field trials alarmed even people inside the system</li><li data-list="bullet">How the people who built the DSM criteria handled disagreements - and why the process Dr. Horwitz describes is so different from what most parents imagine</li><li data-list="bullet">Why a child's birthdate relative to their classmates can predict their likelihood of receiving a psychiatric diagnosis</li><li data-list="bullet">How socioeconomic status shapes not just whether a child gets diagnosed, but when they take their medication and why</li><li data-list="bullet">What the removal of the bereavement exclusion in DSM-5 tells us about the direction the system is heading</li><li data-list="bullet">Why the same behaviors that get a child diagnosed with ADHD in the US might get that child's family into therapy in the UK instead</li><li data-list="bullet">What Dr. Horwitz thinks would actually make a difference for children's mental health - and why the most effective interventions are rarely the ones being offered</li></ol><br/>
<h2>Your Triggers Aren't a Diagnosis. But They're Worth Understanding.</h2>
This episode makes the case that the mental health system focuses on only what's happening inside a person instead of looking at the broader circumstances around them - mostly to sell us more drugs.

In reality, our struggles are a combination of the challenges we’ve experienced in the past (and how we’ve learned to handle them), and our situation today. We have to see both pieces to make sense of where we’ve been, and learn new tools for what’s happening now.

When your child's behavior sends you into a reaction you regret later, a diagnosis or prescription may not help as much as understanding what's underneath that reaction and where it came from.

That's exactly what the Taming Your Triggers workshop is built to help you do. In 10 weeks, you'll learn why you react the way you do, how to meet your own needs so you have more capacity for your kids, and how to respond from your values instead of your history.

Click the banner to learn more

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:14 Introduction to today’s episode

03:44 Why do we diagnose mental illness, and whose interests does the diagnostic system serve? Dr. Allan Horwitz explains that diagnoses maintain psychiatry's legitimacy and prestige as a medical profession, regardless of the knowledge behind each diagnosis.

05:10 Patients now often expect specific diagnoses before treatment even begins.

14:27 People experiencing sadness from job loss or relationship endings can benefit from medication, but to get prescriptions, you need a diagnosis of a disorder, even when the response is completely expectable given the circumstances.

15:39 The DSM locates suffering within individuals rather than examining broader social circumstances.

19:00 Wrapping up.

21:25 An open invitation to join the Parenting Membership.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When a doctor hands your child a diagnosis, it can be a relief - finally, an explanation for their behavior! But sociologist Dr. Allan Horwitz has spent decades studying how psychiatric diagnoses are made, and what he's found raises serious questions about how much weight that label should carry.

In this episode, Dr. Horwitz walks through how the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) - the manual that defines every mental health diagnosis - was built less on scientific research than on professional politics, institutional pressure, and the practical needs of insurance companies.

He traces how depression went from a diagnosis given to a small fraction of the population to one of the most common diagnoses in the world, and explains exactly what happened to reliability when the DSM-5 was tested in real clinical conditions.

He also looks at how the same behaviors get labeled very differently depending on a child's age, race, class, and cultural background - and why that matters for every parent trying to figure out whether a diagnosis is actually helping their child.

This episode won't tell you to reject diagnosis outright. But it will give you the critical knowledge to ask better questions when a label is offered for your child.
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is the DSM and why does it matter for my child?</strong>

The DSM is the manual psychiatrists and psychologists use to diagnose every mental health condition. It determines what insurance will cover, what services your child can access, and what label follows them through school and into treatment.

<strong>Who created the DSM and who controls it?</strong>

The American Psychiatric Association publishes the DSM, but its diagnostic criteria were largely shaped by a small group of people - predominantly white men with ties to pharmaceutical companies - whose process looked more like sausage-making than science.

<strong>Why is DSM-5 criticized by researchers?</strong>

Field trials for DSM-5 showed reliability had actually declined from earlier editions. For some of the most common diagnoses, including major depression and generalized anxiety, agreement between clinicians was barely better than chance.

<strong>Is a psychiatric diagnosis actually reliable?</strong>

Reliability means two different clinicians would give the same patient the same diagnosis. Research on the DSM-5 shows this is far less consistent than most parents assume - and a reliable diagnosis still isn't necessarily a correct one.

<strong>Are children being overdiagnosed with mental health conditions?</strong>

Research shows that the youngest children in a classroom are significantly more likely to receive a psychiatric diagnosis than their older classmates, especially for ADHD - suggesting that what's being measured is developmental maturity, not a mental disorder.

<strong>Does the DSM apply equally to children from different cultural backgrounds?</strong>

The DSM was built on a Euro-centric framework, and critics argue it pathologizes behaviors that are normal or valued in many Global Majority cultures. This has real consequences for how children from different backgrounds get diagnosed and treated.

<strong>Why do mental health diagnoses focus on the individual instead of their circumstances?</strong>

The DSM is deliberately designed to identify disorders within a person rather than look at the conditions around them. It makes sense that a person going through a relationship breakup might feel sad, angry, and/or uncertain about the future. That doesn’t mean they’re ‘depressed.’ Dr. Horwitz explains what that choice costs - and who pays the most.
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">Why diagnosis serves the psychiatric profession and the insurance system in ways that don’t always help the person being diagnosed</li><li data-list="bullet">How the shift from psychoanalysis to the DSM-3 in 1980 dramatically expanded who could be diagnosed with depression - and why that shift was driven by professional rivalry, not new science</li><li data-list="bullet">What reliability and validity actually mean in psychiatric diagnosis, and why the numbers from DSM-5 field trials alarmed even people inside the system</li><li data-list="bullet">How the people who built the DSM criteria handled disagreements - and why the process Dr. Horwitz describes is so different from what most parents imagine</li><li data-list="bullet">Why a child's birthdate relative to their classmates can predict their likelihood of receiving a psychiatric diagnosis</li><li data-list="bullet">How socioeconomic status shapes not just whether a child gets diagnosed, but when they take their medication and why</li><li data-list="bullet">What the removal of the bereavement exclusion in DSM-5 tells us about the direction the system is heading</li><li data-list="bullet">Why the same behaviors that get a child diagnosed with ADHD in the US might get that child's family into therapy in the UK instead</li><li data-list="bullet">What Dr. Horwitz thinks would actually make a difference for children's mental health - and why the most effective interventions are rarely the ones being offered</li></ol><br/>
<h2>Your Triggers Aren't a Diagnosis. But They're Worth Understanding.</h2>
This episode makes the case that the mental health system focuses on only what's happening inside a person instead of looking at the broader circumstances around them - mostly to sell us more drugs.

In reality, our struggles are a combination of the challenges we’ve experienced in the past (and how we’ve learned to handle them), and our situation today. We have to see both pieces to make sense of where we’ve been, and learn new tools for what’s happening now.

When your child's behavior sends you into a reaction you regret later, a diagnosis or prescription may not help as much as understanding what's underneath that reaction and where it came from.

That's exactly what the Taming Your Triggers workshop is built to help you do. In 10 weeks, you'll learn why you react the way you do, how to meet your own needs so you have more capacity for your kids, and how to respond from your values instead of your history.

Click the banner to learn more

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:14 Introduction to today’s episode

03:44 Why do we diagnose mental illness, and whose interests does the diagnostic system serve? Dr. Allan Horwitz explains that diagnoses maintain psychiatry's legitimacy and prestige as a medical profession, regardless of the knowledge behind each diagnosis.

05:10 Patients now often expect specific diagnoses before treatment even begins.

14:27 People experiencing sadness from job loss or relationship endings can benefit from medication, but to get prescriptions, you need a diagnosis of a disorder, even when the response is completely expectable given the circumstances.

15:39 The DSM locates suffering within individuals rather than examining broader social circumstances.

19:00 Wrapping up.

21:25 An open invitation to join the Parenting Membership.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/dsm-5-criticism-psychiatric-diagnosis-explained]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">39d1f589-0593-4a61-b9b1-87199b167ea0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/39d1f589-0593-4a61-b9b1-87199b167ea0.mp3" length="21565129" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>22:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/70706bd8-b9a0-439c-92cd-26aa387fd9db/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>259: Understanding Why Your Child Hits (And What Actually Helps)</title><itunes:title>259: Understanding Why Your Child Hits (And What Actually Helps)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">When your three-year-old hits you, their sibling, or another child, it's easy to feel frustrated, embarrassed, or even angry. You might wonder if this challenging behavior means something is wrong with your child or your parenting. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, I help you see hitting in a completely different way. Instead of viewing it as a problem to eliminate, we'll explore what your child is trying to communicate through their actions. You'll discover how hitting is often your child's attempt to meet important needs when they don't yet have the words or skills to do it differently. This shift in perspective changes everything about how you respond.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Most advice about hitting focuses on consequences, </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/"><span style="font-weight: 400">time-outs</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, or behavior charts. But these approaches miss what's really happening. In this episode, I walk you through real examples from parents dealing with hitting, and show you how to identify the </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/feelings/"><span style="font-weight: 400">feelings</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> and </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/needs/"><span style="font-weight: 400">needs</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> driving the behavior. If you're not sure where to start with identifying your child's needs, </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/childs-needs-quiz/"><span style="font-weight: 400">this quick quiz</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> can help you figure out which needs might be going unmet.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">You'll learn practical strategies for helping your child develop replacement behaviors for hitting that actually meet their needs. Whether your child hits when they're frustrated, overwhelmed, or seeking connection, you'll leave with tools to support them while also taking care of yourself and keeping everyone safe.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Questions this episode will answer</span></h2>
<b>Is it normal for 3 year olds to hit?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Yes, hitting is common in early childhood. Three-year-olds are still developing language skills and emotional regulation, so they often use physical actions to communicate feelings or meet needs they can't express in words yet.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What is a replacement behavior for hitting?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Replacement behaviors depend on what need your child is trying to meet. If they're seeking sensory input, alternatives might include squeezing play dough or pushing against a wall. If they're expressing frustration, they might learn to stomp their feet or use simple words like "I'm mad!"</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do I get my 3 year old to stop hitting?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Focus on understanding the feelings and needs behind the hitting rather than just stopping the behavior. Help your child identify what they're feeling, figure out what need they're trying to meet, and practice new ways to meet that need that work for everyone.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>Is it normal for a 3 year old to be very aggressive?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Frequent hitting or other challenging behavior in early childhood often signals that your child has important unmet needs. This doesn't mean something is wrong with them. It means they need support learning new strategies to meet their needs.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you teach children to communicate their needs?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Start by helping your child </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/teach-emotional-awareness-children"><span style="font-weight: 400">recognize and name their feelings</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> using simple language. Then connect those feelings to underlying needs like autonomy, play, or connection. Practice specific phrases and actions they can use instead of hitting.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What is the connection between feelings and </b><b>needs?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Feelings are signals that tell us whether our needs are met or unmet. When your child feels frustrated, angry, or overwhelmed, these feelings point to needs that aren't being met, like autonomy, understanding, or ease.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What you'll learn in this episode</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why hitting and other challenging behavior in early childhood is actually communication about unmet needs</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to identify the specific feelings and needs driving your child's hitting behavior</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">The difference between expressing needs through hitting versus meeting needs through hitting</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Practical replacement behaviors for hitting based on different underlying needs </span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why punishment and consequences don't address the root cause of hitting</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to use the "name it to tame it" approach to help your child recognize their feelings</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Steps to support your child in developing new skills while keeping everyone safe</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Real examples of parents working through hitting situations using a feelings and needs approach</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to take care of your own needs when your child's challenging behavior triggers you</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:02 Introduction to today’s episode

04:01 An open invitation to Why You're So Angry with Your Child's Age-Appropriate Behavior and What to Do About It masterclass.

05:10 Parent shares context where her child hits when excited and demands chocolate at every preschool pickup.

06:56 Jen starts by checking in on the parent's wellbeing and support system, explaining how parental stress shows up in children's behavior.

09:47 Jen helps the parent see the behavior as an expression of a difficult situation rather than defiance or stubbornness.

11:28 Jen identifies three needs behind the joy/indulgence, autonomy, and connection after being apart all day.

20:02 Connection and autonomy are the top two needs of young kids.

22:40 Identifying patterns (hitting happens when super excited) and offering redirection strategies like jumping together.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">When your three-year-old hits you, their sibling, or another child, it's easy to feel frustrated, embarrassed, or even angry. You might wonder if this challenging behavior means something is wrong with your child or your parenting. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, I help you see hitting in a completely different way. Instead of viewing it as a problem to eliminate, we'll explore what your child is trying to communicate through their actions. You'll discover how hitting is often your child's attempt to meet important needs when they don't yet have the words or skills to do it differently. This shift in perspective changes everything about how you respond.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Most advice about hitting focuses on consequences, </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/"><span style="font-weight: 400">time-outs</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, or behavior charts. But these approaches miss what's really happening. In this episode, I walk you through real examples from parents dealing with hitting, and show you how to identify the </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/feelings/"><span style="font-weight: 400">feelings</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> and </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/needs/"><span style="font-weight: 400">needs</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> driving the behavior. If you're not sure where to start with identifying your child's needs, </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/childs-needs-quiz/"><span style="font-weight: 400">this quick quiz</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> can help you figure out which needs might be going unmet.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">You'll learn practical strategies for helping your child develop replacement behaviors for hitting that actually meet their needs. Whether your child hits when they're frustrated, overwhelmed, or seeking connection, you'll leave with tools to support them while also taking care of yourself and keeping everyone safe.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Questions this episode will answer</span></h2>
<b>Is it normal for 3 year olds to hit?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Yes, hitting is common in early childhood. Three-year-olds are still developing language skills and emotional regulation, so they often use physical actions to communicate feelings or meet needs they can't express in words yet.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What is a replacement behavior for hitting?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Replacement behaviors depend on what need your child is trying to meet. If they're seeking sensory input, alternatives might include squeezing play dough or pushing against a wall. If they're expressing frustration, they might learn to stomp their feet or use simple words like "I'm mad!"</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do I get my 3 year old to stop hitting?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Focus on understanding the feelings and needs behind the hitting rather than just stopping the behavior. Help your child identify what they're feeling, figure out what need they're trying to meet, and practice new ways to meet that need that work for everyone.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>Is it normal for a 3 year old to be very aggressive?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Frequent hitting or other challenging behavior in early childhood often signals that your child has important unmet needs. This doesn't mean something is wrong with them. It means they need support learning new strategies to meet their needs.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you teach children to communicate their needs?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Start by helping your child </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/teach-emotional-awareness-children"><span style="font-weight: 400">recognize and name their feelings</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> using simple language. Then connect those feelings to underlying needs like autonomy, play, or connection. Practice specific phrases and actions they can use instead of hitting.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What is the connection between feelings and </b><b>needs?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Feelings are signals that tell us whether our needs are met or unmet. When your child feels frustrated, angry, or overwhelmed, these feelings point to needs that aren't being met, like autonomy, understanding, or ease.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What you'll learn in this episode</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why hitting and other challenging behavior in early childhood is actually communication about unmet needs</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to identify the specific feelings and needs driving your child's hitting behavior</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">The difference between expressing needs through hitting versus meeting needs through hitting</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Practical replacement behaviors for hitting based on different underlying needs </span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why punishment and consequences don't address the root cause of hitting</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to use the "name it to tame it" approach to help your child recognize their feelings</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Steps to support your child in developing new skills while keeping everyone safe</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Real examples of parents working through hitting situations using a feelings and needs approach</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to take care of your own needs when your child's challenging behavior triggers you</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:02 Introduction to today’s episode

04:01 An open invitation to Why You're So Angry with Your Child's Age-Appropriate Behavior and What to Do About It masterclass.

05:10 Parent shares context where her child hits when excited and demands chocolate at every preschool pickup.

06:56 Jen starts by checking in on the parent's wellbeing and support system, explaining how parental stress shows up in children's behavior.

09:47 Jen helps the parent see the behavior as an expression of a difficult situation rather than defiance or stubbornness.

11:28 Jen identifies three needs behind the joy/indulgence, autonomy, and connection after being apart all day.

20:02 Connection and autonomy are the top two needs of young kids.

22:40 Identifying patterns (hitting happens when super excited) and offering redirection strategies like jumping together.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/challenging-behavior-hitting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3264dd2f-7ba7-4cf7-87d5-5c73482d3bfd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/3264dd2f-7ba7-4cf7-87d5-5c73482d3bfd.mp3" length="27270861" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>259</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>259</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a7b1db28-a8ee-4251-aa61-bccac1199393/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: Parental Burnout: Is Your Exhaustion Affecting Your Children?</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: Parental Burnout: Is Your Exhaustion Affecting Your Children?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Are you exhausted in a way that sleep doesn't fix? Do you find yourself more irritable with your children than you ever imagined possible? You might be experiencing parental burnout and you're far from alone.

&nbsp;

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Moïra Mikolajczak, one of the world's leading researchers on parental burnout, along with listener Kelly, who shares her raw, honest experience of burning out while raising her young daughter. Dr. Mikolajczak reveals groundbreaking research showing that parents in burnout have cortisol levels twice as high as other parents - even higher than people suffering from chronic pain or experiencing marital abuse.

&nbsp;

We explore why Western parents are at such high risk compared to parents in other cultures, what happens when the pressure to be a "perfect parent" collides with isolation and lack of support, and most importantly, what actually works for recovery. Kelly opens up about the moment she had a complete breakdown far from home, unable to even find her way to a train station, and the seven-month journey that followed.

&nbsp;

If you've ever felt like you're racing through life unable to stop, or wondered whether your exhaustion is affecting your children, this episode offers both validation and a path forward.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is parental burnout?</strong>

Parental burnout is an exhaustion disorder where parents feel completely depleted by their parenting role. It includes four main symptoms: extreme exhaustion that doesn't improve with sleep, emotional distancing from your children, loss of pleasure in parenting, and a painful contrast between the parent you are now and the parent you wanted to be.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the symptoms of parental burnout?</strong>

The clearest warning signs are fatigue that persists despite adequate sleep and increased irritability, especially when you're with your children but not at work. Parents may experience mood swings, feel unable to recognize themselves, struggle with violent feelings toward their children, or completely lose confidence as a parent.

&nbsp;

<strong>How does parental burnout affect children?</strong>

When parents reach the emotional distancing stage of burnout, it can lead to either neglect, violence (verbal or physical), or both. However, the impact on children can be reduced significantly if the other parent or a support person can compensate by providing consistent care and emotional presence.

&nbsp;

<strong>What causes parental burnout?</strong>

Parental burnout results from a severe imbalance between parenting stressors and resources. Key risk factors include parental perfectionism, low emotional competence, poor co-parenting quality, inconsistent parenting practices, lack of leisure time, and the intense pressure in Western cultures to be a "perfect parent" while managing everything alone.

&nbsp;

<strong>How is parental burnout different from job burnout?</strong>

While both involve exhaustion, they occur in different contexts. Job burnout centers on work exhaustion and distance from work beneficiaries, while parental burnout involves exhaustion from parenting and emotional distance from your children. You can have one without the other - in fact, many burned-out parents escape into their work.

&nbsp;

<strong>What does parental burnout feel like?</strong>

Parents describe feeling like they've reached the end of their tether just thinking about what they need to do for their children. One parent in this episode describes racing forward like a heavy train that couldn't be stopped, then experiencing a complete collapse where she couldn't get out of bed, seemed physically sick, and had no energy despite having been fine the day before.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you recover from parental burnout?</strong>

Recovery requires two things: being heard in a truly non-judgmental way, and rebalancing your life by either removing stressors or adding resources. This might mean reducing children's activities, getting consistent help, working on emotional skills, addressing perfectionism, or improving co-parenting. Professional support helps identify changes you can't see yourself.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do Western parents experience more burnout?</strong>

Western countries have significantly higher parental burnout rates because of intense social pressure to raise "perfect" children, constant monitoring by institutions and other parents, pervasive social media comparison, and profound isolation. A Western parent with two children faces higher burnout risk than an African parent with eight or nine children who has community support.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I tell if I need to take a parental burnout assessment?</strong>

If you experience fatigue that doesn't disappear after several good nights of sleep, along with irritability that's noticeably worse when you're with your children (but better at work), and these symptoms persist for two to three weeks, you should consider taking the <a href="https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parental Burnout Assessment</a>.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can you prevent parental burnout?</strong>

Prevention focuses on maintaining balance between parenting stressors and resources. This includes managing perfectionist expectations, building emotional regulation skills, ensuring quality co-parenting, maintaining consistent parenting practices, protecting time for yourself, limiting social media exposure, and actively seeking social support rather than parenting in isolation.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">The science behind parental burnout and why it's different from regular exhaustion</li><li data-list="bullet">How to recognize the warning signs before you reach crisis point</li><li data-list="bullet">Why being a "good parent" in modern Western culture sets you up for burnout</li><li data-list="bullet">The specific risk factors that increase your vulnerability</li><li data-list="bullet">Real strategies for talking to your children about your burnout</li><li data-list="bullet">What actually works for recovery (and what doesn't)</li><li data-list="bullet">How parental burnout impacts children and how to protect them</li><li data-list="bullet">One parent's lived experience from breakdown to recovery</li><li data-list="bullet">Why you might be escaping into work without realizing it</li><li data-list="bullet">The balance assessment that helps identify where to start</li></ol><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:45 Introduction to today’s guests

03:17 Dr. Mikolajczak explains that parental burnout is an exhaustion disorder where parents feel totally exhausted by their parenting role, emotionally distant from their children, lose pleasure in parenting, and see a contrast between who they are now and who they wanted to be as a parent.

06:29 A study shows prevalence ranges from less than 1% to 9%, with Euro-centric countries showing much higher rates than Asian or African countries.

08:20 Kelly shares her experience, describing how burnout feels. She had a complete blackout while away for work, couldn't find her way home, and then collapsed for days afterward. Seven months later, she's still recovering.

11:48 New research shows parents in burnout have cortisol levels twice as high as control parents, even higher than people with severe chronic pain

15:11 Burnout primarily affects children when parents become emotionally distant, which can lead to neglect or violence. A supportive partner can buffer these effects.

19:06 Dr. Mikolajczak explains how parenting expectations have completely changed in just less than 100 years. Parents now face intense pressure from the state, schools, and social media to be perfect.

25:05 The biggest risk factors aren't the number of children or child difficulties. They're parental perfectionism, low emotional competence, poor co-parenting quality, inconsistent parenting practices, and lack of time for yourself. Burnout happens when stressors outweigh resources for too long.

38:59 The two most important warning signs are fatigue that doesn't go away with a few good nights' sleep and irritability, especially if these symptoms last more than two or three weeks and happen mostly at home, not at work.

48:33 Parents need to be listened to in a nonjudgmental way, and they need to rebalance their stressors and resources. This might mean cutting extracurricular activities, finding new support systems, or working with a psychologist to identify changes you didn't think were possible.

53:43 Create a visual schedule so your child knows what's coming next and when they'll have time with you. Reward alone time with something your child loves. Find activities they can do independently, even if just for short periods.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Are you exhausted in a way that sleep doesn't fix? Do you find yourself more irritable with your children than you ever imagined possible? You might be experiencing parental burnout and you're far from alone.

&nbsp;

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Moïra Mikolajczak, one of the world's leading researchers on parental burnout, along with listener Kelly, who shares her raw, honest experience of burning out while raising her young daughter. Dr. Mikolajczak reveals groundbreaking research showing that parents in burnout have cortisol levels twice as high as other parents - even higher than people suffering from chronic pain or experiencing marital abuse.

&nbsp;

We explore why Western parents are at such high risk compared to parents in other cultures, what happens when the pressure to be a "perfect parent" collides with isolation and lack of support, and most importantly, what actually works for recovery. Kelly opens up about the moment she had a complete breakdown far from home, unable to even find her way to a train station, and the seven-month journey that followed.

&nbsp;

If you've ever felt like you're racing through life unable to stop, or wondered whether your exhaustion is affecting your children, this episode offers both validation and a path forward.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is parental burnout?</strong>

Parental burnout is an exhaustion disorder where parents feel completely depleted by their parenting role. It includes four main symptoms: extreme exhaustion that doesn't improve with sleep, emotional distancing from your children, loss of pleasure in parenting, and a painful contrast between the parent you are now and the parent you wanted to be.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the symptoms of parental burnout?</strong>

The clearest warning signs are fatigue that persists despite adequate sleep and increased irritability, especially when you're with your children but not at work. Parents may experience mood swings, feel unable to recognize themselves, struggle with violent feelings toward their children, or completely lose confidence as a parent.

&nbsp;

<strong>How does parental burnout affect children?</strong>

When parents reach the emotional distancing stage of burnout, it can lead to either neglect, violence (verbal or physical), or both. However, the impact on children can be reduced significantly if the other parent or a support person can compensate by providing consistent care and emotional presence.

&nbsp;

<strong>What causes parental burnout?</strong>

Parental burnout results from a severe imbalance between parenting stressors and resources. Key risk factors include parental perfectionism, low emotional competence, poor co-parenting quality, inconsistent parenting practices, lack of leisure time, and the intense pressure in Western cultures to be a "perfect parent" while managing everything alone.

&nbsp;

<strong>How is parental burnout different from job burnout?</strong>

While both involve exhaustion, they occur in different contexts. Job burnout centers on work exhaustion and distance from work beneficiaries, while parental burnout involves exhaustion from parenting and emotional distance from your children. You can have one without the other - in fact, many burned-out parents escape into their work.

&nbsp;

<strong>What does parental burnout feel like?</strong>

Parents describe feeling like they've reached the end of their tether just thinking about what they need to do for their children. One parent in this episode describes racing forward like a heavy train that couldn't be stopped, then experiencing a complete collapse where she couldn't get out of bed, seemed physically sick, and had no energy despite having been fine the day before.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you recover from parental burnout?</strong>

Recovery requires two things: being heard in a truly non-judgmental way, and rebalancing your life by either removing stressors or adding resources. This might mean reducing children's activities, getting consistent help, working on emotional skills, addressing perfectionism, or improving co-parenting. Professional support helps identify changes you can't see yourself.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do Western parents experience more burnout?</strong>

Western countries have significantly higher parental burnout rates because of intense social pressure to raise "perfect" children, constant monitoring by institutions and other parents, pervasive social media comparison, and profound isolation. A Western parent with two children faces higher burnout risk than an African parent with eight or nine children who has community support.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I tell if I need to take a parental burnout assessment?</strong>

If you experience fatigue that doesn't disappear after several good nights of sleep, along with irritability that's noticeably worse when you're with your children (but better at work), and these symptoms persist for two to three weeks, you should consider taking the <a href="https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parental Burnout Assessment</a>.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can you prevent parental burnout?</strong>

Prevention focuses on maintaining balance between parenting stressors and resources. This includes managing perfectionist expectations, building emotional regulation skills, ensuring quality co-parenting, maintaining consistent parenting practices, protecting time for yourself, limiting social media exposure, and actively seeking social support rather than parenting in isolation.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">The science behind parental burnout and why it's different from regular exhaustion</li><li data-list="bullet">How to recognize the warning signs before you reach crisis point</li><li data-list="bullet">Why being a "good parent" in modern Western culture sets you up for burnout</li><li data-list="bullet">The specific risk factors that increase your vulnerability</li><li data-list="bullet">Real strategies for talking to your children about your burnout</li><li data-list="bullet">What actually works for recovery (and what doesn't)</li><li data-list="bullet">How parental burnout impacts children and how to protect them</li><li data-list="bullet">One parent's lived experience from breakdown to recovery</li><li data-list="bullet">Why you might be escaping into work without realizing it</li><li data-list="bullet">The balance assessment that helps identify where to start</li></ol><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:45 Introduction to today’s guests

03:17 Dr. Mikolajczak explains that parental burnout is an exhaustion disorder where parents feel totally exhausted by their parenting role, emotionally distant from their children, lose pleasure in parenting, and see a contrast between who they are now and who they wanted to be as a parent.

06:29 A study shows prevalence ranges from less than 1% to 9%, with Euro-centric countries showing much higher rates than Asian or African countries.

08:20 Kelly shares her experience, describing how burnout feels. She had a complete blackout while away for work, couldn't find her way home, and then collapsed for days afterward. Seven months later, she's still recovering.

11:48 New research shows parents in burnout have cortisol levels twice as high as control parents, even higher than people with severe chronic pain

15:11 Burnout primarily affects children when parents become emotionally distant, which can lead to neglect or violence. A supportive partner can buffer these effects.

19:06 Dr. Mikolajczak explains how parenting expectations have completely changed in just less than 100 years. Parents now face intense pressure from the state, schools, and social media to be perfect.

25:05 The biggest risk factors aren't the number of children or child difficulties. They're parental perfectionism, low emotional competence, poor co-parenting quality, inconsistent parenting practices, and lack of time for yourself. Burnout happens when stressors outweigh resources for too long.

38:59 The two most important warning signs are fatigue that doesn't go away with a few good nights' sleep and irritability, especially if these symptoms last more than two or three weeks and happen mostly at home, not at work.

48:33 Parents need to be listened to in a nonjudgmental way, and they need to rebalance their stressors and resources. This might mean cutting extracurricular activities, finding new support systems, or working with a psychologist to identify changes you didn't think were possible.

53:43 Create a visual schedule so your child knows what's coming next and when they'll have time with you. Reward alone time with something your child loves. Find activities they can do independently, even if just for short periods.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parental-burnout-symptoms]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">53028180-aa85-4b2d-984e-d2276bd62fa1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/53028180-aa85-4b2d-984e-d2276bd62fa1.mp3" length="57834697" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:00:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/430380e7-6c1b-4fc0-b6f8-f5e8cc4bcdf4/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 08: What Is Collaborative Parenting? Real Parent Story</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 08: What Is Collaborative Parenting? Real Parent Story</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When you started parenting, you probably had ideas about the kind of parent you wanted to be. Maybe you imagined patient bedtimes and peaceful mornings. Then reality hit, and you found yourself doing things you swore you'd never do.

&nbsp;

Parent Maile Grace knows this feeling well. In this conversation, she shares how her parenting values have shifted since her daughter was born. She talks about moving away from strategies like <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">timeouts</a> that seemed to work in the moment but didn't align with what she truly wanted for her relationship with her child.

&nbsp;

You'll hear how she supports her kids when they're fighting instead of jumping in to fix everything, and why building connections with neighbors matters more to her now than having a perfectly organized home. If you've ever wondered whether collaborative parenting actually works in real life, this episode gives you a peek into one family's experience.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What is collaborative parenting?</strong> Collaborative parenting means working with your child to solve problems instead of using punishments or rewards to control their behavior. It involves understanding what your child is struggling with and finding solutions that work for everyone.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are parenting values?</strong> Parenting values are the principles that guide how you want to raise your children and the kind of relationships you want to build with them. They often include things like respect, connection, autonomy, and understanding.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do children solve problems?</strong> Children learn problem-solving skills when adults support them through conflicts rather than immediately fixing things. They practice identifying their own feelings and what matters to them, then working together to find solutions.

&nbsp;

<strong>What is collaborative problem solving?</strong> Collaborative problem solving is an approach where parents help children navigate challenges by exploring what's hard for everyone involved and creating solutions together, rather than imposing consequences or rewards.

&nbsp;

<strong>How much sibling fighting is normal?</strong> Sibling conflicts are a regular part of childhood. Instead of trying to eliminate fighting completely, parents can focus on supporting children through these moments to help them develop problem-solving and relationship skills.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why is parent collaboration important?</strong> When parents work collaboratively with children, kids learn to understand their own feelings and what matters to them. This approach builds stronger relationships and helps children develop skills they'll use throughout their lives.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">How one parent's values shifted from wanting a "well-behaved" child to prioritizing connection and understanding</li><li data-list="bullet">Why some common parenting strategies work in the short term but can damage relationships over time</li><li data-list="bullet">A real example of how collaborative problem-solving looks when siblings are fighting</li><li data-list="bullet">How to support children in working through conflicts without immediately stepping in to fix things</li><li data-list="bullet">What it means to let go of trying to control your child's behavior</li><li data-list="bullet">Why building neighborhood connections became a higher priority than maintaining a perfectly organized home</li><li data-list="bullet">The difference between parenting strategies that change behavior and approaches that build skills and relationships</li></ol><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:01 A brief introduction to today’s guest and what today’s episode is all about

03:40 An open invitation to join the Parenting Membership, where you can find the full version of this episode

07:12 Maile gives an example about a challenging time that didn't go the way that she hoped and how she managed to come back around after the words

14:32 What does Maile’s son do to find a connection with her?

19:30 What can you do when you experience the moment where there were like little releases, and then the frustration comes back?

25:07 An open invitation to Taming Your Triggers workshop]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When you started parenting, you probably had ideas about the kind of parent you wanted to be. Maybe you imagined patient bedtimes and peaceful mornings. Then reality hit, and you found yourself doing things you swore you'd never do.

&nbsp;

Parent Maile Grace knows this feeling well. In this conversation, she shares how her parenting values have shifted since her daughter was born. She talks about moving away from strategies like <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">timeouts</a> that seemed to work in the moment but didn't align with what she truly wanted for her relationship with her child.

&nbsp;

You'll hear how she supports her kids when they're fighting instead of jumping in to fix everything, and why building connections with neighbors matters more to her now than having a perfectly organized home. If you've ever wondered whether collaborative parenting actually works in real life, this episode gives you a peek into one family's experience.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What is collaborative parenting?</strong> Collaborative parenting means working with your child to solve problems instead of using punishments or rewards to control their behavior. It involves understanding what your child is struggling with and finding solutions that work for everyone.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are parenting values?</strong> Parenting values are the principles that guide how you want to raise your children and the kind of relationships you want to build with them. They often include things like respect, connection, autonomy, and understanding.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do children solve problems?</strong> Children learn problem-solving skills when adults support them through conflicts rather than immediately fixing things. They practice identifying their own feelings and what matters to them, then working together to find solutions.

&nbsp;

<strong>What is collaborative problem solving?</strong> Collaborative problem solving is an approach where parents help children navigate challenges by exploring what's hard for everyone involved and creating solutions together, rather than imposing consequences or rewards.

&nbsp;

<strong>How much sibling fighting is normal?</strong> Sibling conflicts are a regular part of childhood. Instead of trying to eliminate fighting completely, parents can focus on supporting children through these moments to help them develop problem-solving and relationship skills.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why is parent collaboration important?</strong> When parents work collaboratively with children, kids learn to understand their own feelings and what matters to them. This approach builds stronger relationships and helps children develop skills they'll use throughout their lives.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ol><li data-list="bullet">How one parent's values shifted from wanting a "well-behaved" child to prioritizing connection and understanding</li><li data-list="bullet">Why some common parenting strategies work in the short term but can damage relationships over time</li><li data-list="bullet">A real example of how collaborative problem-solving looks when siblings are fighting</li><li data-list="bullet">How to support children in working through conflicts without immediately stepping in to fix things</li><li data-list="bullet">What it means to let go of trying to control your child's behavior</li><li data-list="bullet">Why building neighborhood connections became a higher priority than maintaining a perfectly organized home</li><li data-list="bullet">The difference between parenting strategies that change behavior and approaches that build skills and relationships</li></ol><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:01 A brief introduction to today’s guest and what today’s episode is all about

03:40 An open invitation to join the Parenting Membership, where you can find the full version of this episode

07:12 Maile gives an example about a challenging time that didn't go the way that she hoped and how she managed to come back around after the words

14:32 What does Maile’s son do to find a connection with her?

19:30 What can you do when you experience the moment where there were like little releases, and then the frustration comes back?

25:07 An open invitation to Taming Your Triggers workshop]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting-values-moving-beyond-punishments]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ab99fc3a-ce33-4d90-8506-34c9453042d0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ab99fc3a-ce33-4d90-8506-34c9453042d0.mp3" length="27454921" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/67a455cc-29ae-41ed-9fc0-2c95fdf69cf6/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 07: Is Your Child’s Behavior Really a Disorder? A Psychiatrist Explains</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 07: Is Your Child’s Behavior Really a Disorder? A Psychiatrist Explains</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When your child struggles with behavior or attention, doctors might suggest ADHD medication. Before you move forward, you should know what a psychiatric diagnosis actually is - and what it isn't.</p><p> </p><p>This episode examines how psychiatric diagnoses actually work - and what they don't tell you. Dr. Sami Timimi, a child and adolescent psychiatrist in the UK, explains how the mental health system has become an industrial complex that profits from turning distress into diagnoses.</p><p> </p><p>You'll learn why a diagnosis doesn't mean doctors have found something wrong with your child's brain, and why the framework we use to understand mental health struggles might be missing the bigger picture. If you've ever felt pressured to medicate your child or wondered whether there's more to the story than a "chemical imbalance", this conversation will give you the information you didn't know you were missing.</p><p> </p><h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2><p><strong>What do you do when your child has a behavioral problem?</strong> Instead of immediately seeking a diagnosis, consider the social context - school environments, family stress, economic pressures, and whether your child's environment actually fits their needs. Addressing these factors can be more effective than focusing solely on fixing the individual child.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is a psychiatric diagnosis evaluation?</strong> A psychiatric diagnosis evaluation is a process where behaviors are observed and categorized according to checklists, but it doesn't involve measuring anything in the brain or body. The diagnosis describes behaviors but doesn't explain what causes them.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Can ADHD be misdiagnosed?</strong> Since ADHD diagnosis relies on behavior checklists rather than objective tests, two evaluators can reach different conclusions about the same child. The behaviors labeled as ADHD - hyperactivity, inattention, impulsivity - are descriptions, not explanations of what's causing those behaviors.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is the most common childhood behavioral disorder?</strong> ADHD is commonly diagnosed in children, but saying a child's hyperactivity is caused by a hyperactivity disorder is circular reasoning - we're just describing the behavior using medical language.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How does parenting affect mental health?</strong> Single parents and parents experiencing poverty face significant stressors that impact mental health. When parents seek help for depression or anxiety, they're often directed toward medication rather than receiving support that addresses the actual challenges they face - lack of resources, isolation, and overwhelming demands.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What are the biggest determinants of mental health?</strong> Social and economic factors - housing security, job stability, poverty, social support, and community resources - are major determinants of mental health. These environmental conditions create distress that often gets labeled as individual mental illness.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How can social factors affect your mental health?</strong> Social factors like economic insecurity, isolation, and the structure of our society create feelings of alienation and the sense that "I'm not good enough." When we say these problems are inside individuals rather than addressing social conditions, we miss opportunities to reduce distress at its source.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What does industrial complex mean in mental health?</strong> The mental health industrial complex refers to the entire ecosystem that profits from mental health diagnoses - from expensive assessments and therapies to pharmaceuticals, apps, books, and self-help products. It turns distress into a commodity that can be mined for profit.</p><p> </p><h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What happens during psychiatric diagnosis evaluations (and why no brain scan is involved)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why ADHD medication studies show different results at 14 months versus 30 months (and you’ve probably only heard of the 14 month outcomes)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the mental health industrial complex profits from turning distress into diagnoses</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What parents should know about the difference between<em>describing</em>behaviors and<em>explaining</em>them (and why it matters)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why circular reasoning (like “your child's hyperactivity is caused by a hyperactivity disorder") is everywhere in mental health but rarely discussed</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How poverty and lack of social support create mental health struggles that get diagnosed as disorders</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What happens when we assume problems are "inside" people rather than in their circumstances</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why supporting families through social and economic interventions might reduce distress more effectively than individual treatment</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the framework we use to understand distress shapes what solutions seem possible</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What to consider before starting medication for yourself or your child</li></ol><br/><p> </p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p>01:37 A brief introduction to today’s episode</p><p>04:06 Introducing today’s guest</p><p>05:41 What does the mental health industrial complex mean?</p><p>12:28 How does Dr. Sami Timimi respond when others view his perspective as a fringe position on ADHD and mental health?</p><p>14:45 Dr. Sami Timimi can't blame the people for accepting diagnoses as brain-based conditions because they assume doctors have found something wrong in their brains</p><p>16:59 A quick review of what we learned today</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When your child struggles with behavior or attention, doctors might suggest ADHD medication. Before you move forward, you should know what a psychiatric diagnosis actually is - and what it isn't.</p><p> </p><p>This episode examines how psychiatric diagnoses actually work - and what they don't tell you. Dr. Sami Timimi, a child and adolescent psychiatrist in the UK, explains how the mental health system has become an industrial complex that profits from turning distress into diagnoses.</p><p> </p><p>You'll learn why a diagnosis doesn't mean doctors have found something wrong with your child's brain, and why the framework we use to understand mental health struggles might be missing the bigger picture. If you've ever felt pressured to medicate your child or wondered whether there's more to the story than a "chemical imbalance", this conversation will give you the information you didn't know you were missing.</p><p> </p><h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2><p><strong>What do you do when your child has a behavioral problem?</strong> Instead of immediately seeking a diagnosis, consider the social context - school environments, family stress, economic pressures, and whether your child's environment actually fits their needs. Addressing these factors can be more effective than focusing solely on fixing the individual child.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is a psychiatric diagnosis evaluation?</strong> A psychiatric diagnosis evaluation is a process where behaviors are observed and categorized according to checklists, but it doesn't involve measuring anything in the brain or body. The diagnosis describes behaviors but doesn't explain what causes them.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Can ADHD be misdiagnosed?</strong> Since ADHD diagnosis relies on behavior checklists rather than objective tests, two evaluators can reach different conclusions about the same child. The behaviors labeled as ADHD - hyperactivity, inattention, impulsivity - are descriptions, not explanations of what's causing those behaviors.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is the most common childhood behavioral disorder?</strong> ADHD is commonly diagnosed in children, but saying a child's hyperactivity is caused by a hyperactivity disorder is circular reasoning - we're just describing the behavior using medical language.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How does parenting affect mental health?</strong> Single parents and parents experiencing poverty face significant stressors that impact mental health. When parents seek help for depression or anxiety, they're often directed toward medication rather than receiving support that addresses the actual challenges they face - lack of resources, isolation, and overwhelming demands.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What are the biggest determinants of mental health?</strong> Social and economic factors - housing security, job stability, poverty, social support, and community resources - are major determinants of mental health. These environmental conditions create distress that often gets labeled as individual mental illness.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How can social factors affect your mental health?</strong> Social factors like economic insecurity, isolation, and the structure of our society create feelings of alienation and the sense that "I'm not good enough." When we say these problems are inside individuals rather than addressing social conditions, we miss opportunities to reduce distress at its source.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What does industrial complex mean in mental health?</strong> The mental health industrial complex refers to the entire ecosystem that profits from mental health diagnoses - from expensive assessments and therapies to pharmaceuticals, apps, books, and self-help products. It turns distress into a commodity that can be mined for profit.</p><p> </p><h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What happens during psychiatric diagnosis evaluations (and why no brain scan is involved)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why ADHD medication studies show different results at 14 months versus 30 months (and you’ve probably only heard of the 14 month outcomes)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the mental health industrial complex profits from turning distress into diagnoses</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What parents should know about the difference between<em>describing</em>behaviors and<em>explaining</em>them (and why it matters)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why circular reasoning (like “your child's hyperactivity is caused by a hyperactivity disorder") is everywhere in mental health but rarely discussed</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How poverty and lack of social support create mental health struggles that get diagnosed as disorders</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What happens when we assume problems are "inside" people rather than in their circumstances</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why supporting families through social and economic interventions might reduce distress more effectively than individual treatment</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the framework we use to understand distress shapes what solutions seem possible</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What to consider before starting medication for yourself or your child</li></ol><br/><p> </p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p>01:37 A brief introduction to today’s episode</p><p>04:06 Introducing today’s guest</p><p>05:41 What does the mental health industrial complex mean?</p><p>12:28 How does Dr. Sami Timimi respond when others view his perspective as a fringe position on ADHD and mental health?</p><p>14:45 Dr. Sami Timimi can't blame the people for accepting diagnoses as brain-based conditions because they assume doctors have found something wrong in their brains</p><p>16:59 A quick review of what we learned today</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/mhic]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1f540ea8-25a5-406f-a24b-adf46f38e223</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/1f540ea8-25a5-406f-a24b-adf46f38e223.mp3" length="21109321" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:59</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b3d565ee-803f-448d-b74b-0e821bbecfa5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>258: YPM 2025 Year in Review + What’s Coming in 2026</title><itunes:title>258: YPM 2025 Year in Review + What’s Coming in 2026</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">Welcome to 2026! In this episode, we're looking back at what we covered in 2025 and sharing what's coming in the year ahead.</span>
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">A Year of Growth</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">2025 was a year of evolution for the podcast. We covered topics you've been asking about - parenting triggers, rage, overwhelm, boundaries, and breaking family trauma cycles. We also did a deep dive across four episodes into Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s book </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/theanxiousgeneration"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Anxious Generation</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> (which likely overstates the harm of social media on kids).  </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-summary"><span style="font-weight: 400">There’s also a summary episode that covers all the main ideas from the four deep dives in just 17 minutes.</span></a>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Based on feedback from the Podcast Advisory Council, we shifted to shorter public episodes while full-length episodes moved to the Parenting Membership's private feed. Our goal is to get you to the insights that matter faster.</span>

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<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">2026: The Year of Mental Health</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">This year, we're going deep on mental health. What even is it? How can we support it in ourselves and our children? And how does it intersect with neurodivergence? I've already recorded the first episodes and I have to tell you - my mind has been blown by what I'm learning.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Big Changes Coming</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">The </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Parenting Membership</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> is now open year-round with a new onboarding process. The website is getting a complete redesign with filters so you can search by your specific challenge and child's age. Plus 10 new starter videos explaining core concepts.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Episodes Mentioned</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dogtrainers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/"><span style="font-weight: 400">233: Time-outs: Helpful or harmful? Here's what the research says</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/the-problem-with-time-outs/"><span style="font-weight: 400">234: The problem wit time outs: Why they fail , and what to do instead</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/what-to-do-when-your-child-threatens-you/"><span style="font-weight: 400">235: Chidren's Threats: What they mean and how to respond</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/key-skills-overcome-parental-burnout/"><span style="font-weight: 400">238: Feeling exhausted and overwhelmed? Tools to help you cope</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/validation-dr-caroline-fleck"><span style="font-weight: 400">241: Validating children's feelings: Why it's important, and how to do it with Dr. Caroline Fleck</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/theanxiousgeneration"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Anxious Generation</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/unknown-childhood-trauma-parenting-triggers"><span style="font-weight: 400">255: Why Do I Keep Snapping? Parenting Rage When Your Childhood 'Wasn't That Bad</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/reparenting-yourself-inner-critic-trauma-cycle-magic-trick"><span style="font-weight: 400">ES 04: Reparenting Yourself: Break Your Family's Trauma Cycle</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/enforcing-firm-boundaries"><span style="font-weight: 400">ES 05: How to Enforce Boundaries When Someone Doesn't Respect Them</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Resources for You</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">We've created a bunch of new tools to support your parenting journey:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting-triggers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Parent Anger Quiz</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- discover how your childhood (even if it seemed "normal") created the triggers you experience today</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/calmparent"><span style="font-weight: 400">Calm Parent Toolkit</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- ($7) get practical, printable resource that helps you understand your triggers, nervous system, and parenting patterns so you can respond to your child with more calm and confidence</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/triggersmasterclass/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why You're So Angry with Your Child's (Age 1-10) Age-Appropriate Behavior - And What to Do About It masterclass</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- ($27) learn the three real causes of triggered reactions and get tools to stay calm when your child's behavior usually sets you off</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/">Taming Your Triggers workshop</a>-<!--StartFragment --><span class="cf0">10-week, all online workshop for parents to help you feel triggered less often by your child's behavior</span><!--EndFragment --></span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondthebehavior/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Beyond the Behavior</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- free coaching calls (second Wednesday monthly, 9-10.30 am)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Parenting Membership</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- complete parenting support with evidence-based strategies, coaching, and community</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/freeparentingresources/">Free parenting resources collection</a>(coming soon)</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:44 Introduction of today’s episode

02:46 A quick recap on one of January’s episodes, which is the 10 game-changing parenting hacks straight from master dog trainers

03:55 In February, research on timeouts helps parents to transition away from physical punishment, and how Taming Your Triggers participants benefit most from community support and coaching

05:55 Last summer, we talked about Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s book The Anxious Generation

09:05 Jen decided to shorten the episodes into 15-20-minute episodes instead of 60-minute exploration

12:56 Parenting Membership enrollment is available for year-round enrollment

15:10 The parent anger quiz helps you to understand the source of the rage that you experience as a parent, even if your childhood was “normal” and not traumatic

17:10 Another free resource is the Beyond the Behavior coaching calls

20:01 In a Your Parenting Mojo family, you're understanding how your childhood shows up in your parenting, noticing your triggers, responding from calm steadiness, and breaking generational cycles of shame and disconnection

21:44 Jen is thanking everyone in the Your Parenting Mojo community for being here and doing the hard work of parenting differently]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">Welcome to 2026! In this episode, we're looking back at what we covered in 2025 and sharing what's coming in the year ahead.</span>
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">A Year of Growth</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">2025 was a year of evolution for the podcast. We covered topics you've been asking about - parenting triggers, rage, overwhelm, boundaries, and breaking family trauma cycles. We also did a deep dive across four episodes into Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s book </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/theanxiousgeneration"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Anxious Generation</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> (which likely overstates the harm of social media on kids).  </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-summary"><span style="font-weight: 400">There’s also a summary episode that covers all the main ideas from the four deep dives in just 17 minutes.</span></a>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Based on feedback from the Podcast Advisory Council, we shifted to shorter public episodes while full-length episodes moved to the Parenting Membership's private feed. Our goal is to get you to the insights that matter faster.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">2026: The Year of Mental Health</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">This year, we're going deep on mental health. What even is it? How can we support it in ourselves and our children? And how does it intersect with neurodivergence? I've already recorded the first episodes and I have to tell you - my mind has been blown by what I'm learning.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Big Changes Coming</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">The </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Parenting Membership</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> is now open year-round with a new onboarding process. The website is getting a complete redesign with filters so you can search by your specific challenge and child's age. Plus 10 new starter videos explaining core concepts.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Episodes Mentioned</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dogtrainers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/"><span style="font-weight: 400">233: Time-outs: Helpful or harmful? Here's what the research says</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/the-problem-with-time-outs/"><span style="font-weight: 400">234: The problem wit time outs: Why they fail , and what to do instead</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/what-to-do-when-your-child-threatens-you/"><span style="font-weight: 400">235: Chidren's Threats: What they mean and how to respond</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/key-skills-overcome-parental-burnout/"><span style="font-weight: 400">238: Feeling exhausted and overwhelmed? Tools to help you cope</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/validation-dr-caroline-fleck"><span style="font-weight: 400">241: Validating children's feelings: Why it's important, and how to do it with Dr. Caroline Fleck</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/theanxiousgeneration"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Anxious Generation</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/unknown-childhood-trauma-parenting-triggers"><span style="font-weight: 400">255: Why Do I Keep Snapping? Parenting Rage When Your Childhood 'Wasn't That Bad</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/reparenting-yourself-inner-critic-trauma-cycle-magic-trick"><span style="font-weight: 400">ES 04: Reparenting Yourself: Break Your Family's Trauma Cycle</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/enforcing-firm-boundaries"><span style="font-weight: 400">ES 05: How to Enforce Boundaries When Someone Doesn't Respect Them</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Resources for You</span></h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">We've created a bunch of new tools to support your parenting journey:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting-triggers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Parent Anger Quiz</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- discover how your childhood (even if it seemed "normal") created the triggers you experience today</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/calmparent"><span style="font-weight: 400">Calm Parent Toolkit</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- ($7) get practical, printable resource that helps you understand your triggers, nervous system, and parenting patterns so you can respond to your child with more calm and confidence</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/triggersmasterclass/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why You're So Angry with Your Child's (Age 1-10) Age-Appropriate Behavior - And What to Do About It masterclass</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- ($27) learn the three real causes of triggered reactions and get tools to stay calm when your child's behavior usually sets you off</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/">Taming Your Triggers workshop</a>-<!--StartFragment --><span class="cf0">10-week, all online workshop for parents to help you feel triggered less often by your child's behavior</span><!--EndFragment --></span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondthebehavior/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Beyond the Behavior</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- free coaching calls (second Wednesday monthly, 9-10.30 am)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Parenting Membership</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">- complete parenting support with evidence-based strategies, coaching, and community</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/freeparentingresources/">Free parenting resources collection</a>(coming soon)</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:44 Introduction of today’s episode

02:46 A quick recap on one of January’s episodes, which is the 10 game-changing parenting hacks straight from master dog trainers

03:55 In February, research on timeouts helps parents to transition away from physical punishment, and how Taming Your Triggers participants benefit most from community support and coaching

05:55 Last summer, we talked about Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s book The Anxious Generation

09:05 Jen decided to shorten the episodes into 15-20-minute episodes instead of 60-minute exploration

12:56 Parenting Membership enrollment is available for year-round enrollment

15:10 The parent anger quiz helps you to understand the source of the rage that you experience as a parent, even if your childhood was “normal” and not traumatic

17:10 Another free resource is the Beyond the Behavior coaching calls

20:01 In a Your Parenting Mojo family, you're understanding how your childhood shows up in your parenting, noticing your triggers, responding from calm steadiness, and breaking generational cycles of shame and disconnection

21:44 Jen is thanking everyone in the Your Parenting Mojo community for being here and doing the hard work of parenting differently]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/2026]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4ac0a0e9-5439-40b3-9750-d02f8ca377af</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2026 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/4ac0a0e9-5439-40b3-9750-d02f8ca377af.mp3" length="22220680" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:08</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>258</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>258</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/dd757c18-1e59-4744-aac9-a46119d5e93f/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 06: When Holiday Gift Boundaries Don’t Work (What Does?)</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 06: When Holiday Gift Boundaries Don’t Work (What Does?)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">Have you ever opened a gift from your parent and felt your stomach drop? You've tried everything - wishlists, clear conversations, explicit boundaries about gift giving. But the packages keep arriving, filled with things that feel totally opposite from your values. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And then you're stuck in this awful place where you're simultaneously angry at them for not respecting your boundaries AND judging yourself for not just being grateful.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, I'm sharing part of a powerful co</span><span style="font-weight: 400">aching conversation with Sam, who's spent years trying to set gift giving boundaries with her mom. What we discovered is that when unwanted gifts trigger us this intensely, they're touching something way deeper than clutter or consumption. </span>

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/enforcing-firm-boundaries/"><span style="font-weight: 400">When I talked with Nedra Glover Tawwab</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> recently, she advocated for very strong boundaries: if you get unwanted gifts, you send them back.  How the other person feels about that is not your responsibility.  You might decide that a hard boundary is the best option for you.  But at the end of the day, it doesn’t address the hurt you’re feeling that is leading you to consider a boundary.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Through an embodiment exercise, Sam found empathy for her mom's needs while still honoring her own need to be truly seen. But the real breakthrough came when we talked about what to do when your parent simply can't give you what you long for - and why that requires grief work, and not always stronger boundaries.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Questions this episode will answer</span></h2>
<b>Is it normal to have resentment for your parents over gifts?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Yes. When unwanted gifts keep coming despite clear boundaries, that resentment often connects to a deeper need - wanting your parent to truly see and understand you.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What is the psychology behind excessive gift-giving?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Gift givers are often trying to meet needs like staying relevant, feeling competent as a parent, creating connection, and mattering in their grandchildren's lives, especially when physical distance or other limitations exist.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you respond to unwanted gifts without losing your mind?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> You can't just decide the gifts don't bother you anymore. It may help to mourn the relationship you wished you had with your parent, and get your need to be seen met through other relationships.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What to do with unwanted gifts when boundaries keep failing?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> You can continue donating them through Buy Nothing groups, but the real shift happens when you stop attaching meaning to the gifts - when a dancing cactus becomes just a dancing cactus, not evidence that your parent doesn't see you.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you let go of anger and resentment towards a parent?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Through embodied mourning rituals - not just making a decision in your head. This might involve gathering with people who truly see you and symbolically releasing the longed-for relationship you're acknowledging you won't have.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you set boundaries with parents when they won't respect them?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Sometimes moving forward means you stop holding the door open, exhausting yourself while you wait for them to walk through it. You find other ways to meet your needs instead.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What you'll learn in this episode</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why gift-giving boundaries fail even when you've been crystal clear about your values and preferences</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How embodying her mom helped Sam find empathy for her mom without giving up her own needs</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">What needs your parent might be trying to meet through excessive gift giving (and why understanding this matters)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">The difference between making a mental decision that something doesn't matter and actually mourning the loss of the relationship you wished you had</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to meet your need to be seen and understood through relationships other than your parent</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">The "door metaphor" - what it means to stop holding it open and why that's different from closing it forever</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why unwanted holiday gifts can become neutral once you've done the grief work</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to stay in relationship with your parent while letting go of the exhausting longing for them to change</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:07 Introduction of today’s episode.

03:05 Sam and her husband send gift lists to their excited long-distance parents to manage space in their small house, but when an inappropriate gift arrives despite their clear requests, Sam feels worried that her boundaries weren't respected.

11:07 Sam struggles between wanting her mother to show up differently and accepting that she can't force that change, feeling like she's leaving a door open while getting frustrated that her mother doesn't know how to walk through it.

14:54 Wrapping up today’s topic

17:20 An open invitation to Parenting Membership Black Friday sale]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">Have you ever opened a gift from your parent and felt your stomach drop? You've tried everything - wishlists, clear conversations, explicit boundaries about gift giving. But the packages keep arriving, filled with things that feel totally opposite from your values. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And then you're stuck in this awful place where you're simultaneously angry at them for not respecting your boundaries AND judging yourself for not just being grateful.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, I'm sharing part of a powerful co</span><span style="font-weight: 400">aching conversation with Sam, who's spent years trying to set gift giving boundaries with her mom. What we discovered is that when unwanted gifts trigger us this intensely, they're touching something way deeper than clutter or consumption. </span>

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/enforcing-firm-boundaries/"><span style="font-weight: 400">When I talked with Nedra Glover Tawwab</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> recently, she advocated for very strong boundaries: if you get unwanted gifts, you send them back.  How the other person feels about that is not your responsibility.  You might decide that a hard boundary is the best option for you.  But at the end of the day, it doesn’t address the hurt you’re feeling that is leading you to consider a boundary.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Through an embodiment exercise, Sam found empathy for her mom's needs while still honoring her own need to be truly seen. But the real breakthrough came when we talked about what to do when your parent simply can't give you what you long for - and why that requires grief work, and not always stronger boundaries.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">Questions this episode will answer</span></h2>
<b>Is it normal to have resentment for your parents over gifts?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Yes. When unwanted gifts keep coming despite clear boundaries, that resentment often connects to a deeper need - wanting your parent to truly see and understand you.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What is the psychology behind excessive gift-giving?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Gift givers are often trying to meet needs like staying relevant, feeling competent as a parent, creating connection, and mattering in their grandchildren's lives, especially when physical distance or other limitations exist.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you respond to unwanted gifts without losing your mind?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> You can't just decide the gifts don't bother you anymore. It may help to mourn the relationship you wished you had with your parent, and get your need to be seen met through other relationships.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>What to do with unwanted gifts when boundaries keep failing?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> You can continue donating them through Buy Nothing groups, but the real shift happens when you stop attaching meaning to the gifts - when a dancing cactus becomes just a dancing cactus, not evidence that your parent doesn't see you.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you let go of anger and resentment towards a parent?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Through embodied mourning rituals - not just making a decision in your head. This might involve gathering with people who truly see you and symbolically releasing the longed-for relationship you're acknowledging you won't have.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>How do you set boundaries with parents when they won't respect them?</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> Sometimes moving forward means you stop holding the door open, exhausting yourself while you wait for them to walk through it. You find other ways to meet your needs instead.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What you'll learn in this episode</span></h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why gift-giving boundaries fail even when you've been crystal clear about your values and preferences</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How embodying her mom helped Sam find empathy for her mom without giving up her own needs</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">What needs your parent might be trying to meet through excessive gift giving (and why understanding this matters)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">The difference between making a mental decision that something doesn't matter and actually mourning the loss of the relationship you wished you had</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to meet your need to be seen and understood through relationships other than your parent</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">The "door metaphor" - what it means to stop holding it open and why that's different from closing it forever</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Why unwanted holiday gifts can become neutral once you've done the grief work</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How to stay in relationship with your parent while letting go of the exhausting longing for them to change</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:07 Introduction of today’s episode.

03:05 Sam and her husband send gift lists to their excited long-distance parents to manage space in their small house, but when an inappropriate gift arrives despite their clear requests, Sam feels worried that her boundaries weren't respected.

11:07 Sam struggles between wanting her mother to show up differently and accepting that she can't force that change, feeling like she's leaving a door open while getting frustrated that her mother doesn't know how to walk through it.

14:54 Wrapping up today’s topic

17:20 An open invitation to Parenting Membership Black Friday sale]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/unwanted-holiday-gifts-boundaries]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5bb67f31-0613-421c-bc12-1797ab05b286</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/5bb67f31-0613-421c-bc12-1797ab05b286.mp3" length="17724975" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>18:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/9c41fd06-b42a-4039-b760-e1521536cbbf/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 05: How to Enforce Boundaries When Someone Doesn’t Respect Them</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 05: How to Enforce Boundaries When Someone Doesn’t Respect Them</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>You've told your parents you're not available during work hours. They keep calling anyway.</p><p> </p><p>You've asked them not to comment on your weight. They bring it up again on the next visit.</p><p> </p><p>You've said no to those random Amazon gifts. Another package arrives at your door.</p><p> </p><p>Many parents know how to set boundaries, but get stuck when someone won't respect them. In this summary episode, therapist Nedra Glover Tawwab shares practical strategies for enforcing boundaries when people repeatedly ignore or dismiss them.</p><p> </p><p>You'll learn about</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>the "fire extinguisher method" for stopping uncomfortable conversations before they spiral</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>how to embody your boundaries through your actions (not just your words)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>how to navigate the especially tricky situation where you rely on someone for childcare but they won't respect your limits.</li></ol><br/><p> </p><p>Nedra also discusses her new children's book and works through real scenarios about unwanted gifts, body-shaming comments, and what to do when setting a boundary means potentially losing support you need.</p><p> </p><p>This conversation gets honest about the hard choices enforcing boundaries sometimes requires. Can you really maintain a boundary with someone you depend on? What do you do when the person provides childcare for you?</p><p> </p><p>Nedra offers a clear framework for deciding when to stand firm, how to take action when words aren't working, and why allowing people to be upset with you is part of the process.</p><p> </p><h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2><p><strong>How do you deal with someone who doesn't respect boundaries?</strong> Enforce the boundary through your behavior, not just your words. If someone keeps calling during work hours after you've asked them not to, don't answer the phone. If they bring unwanted gifts, donate them immediately or return them to the gift-giver. You can't control what they do, but you can control what you do.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why is setting boundaries so hard?</strong> We often learned in our families of origin that setting boundaries leads to rejection or anger. We worry about people being mad at us, the relationship ending, or being seen as selfish. These fears come from early experiences where our caregivers responded poorly when we tried to express our needs and boundaries.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How do you enforce boundaries when words aren't working?</strong> Use behavioral enforcement. Stop answering calls during the times you've said you're unavailable. Use the "fire extinguisher method" to interrupt conversations the moment they start heading toward topics you've said are off-limits. Show through your actions that you meant what you said.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is the fire extinguisher method for boundaries?</strong> Jump in to stop conversations before they get going, the way you'd use a fire extinguisher on a small flame before it spreads. When someone starts bringing up a topic you've clearly said you won't discuss, interrupt them immediately: "I know where this is going, and I don’t want to talk about it.”</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why do people get upset when you set boundaries?</strong> Some people are used to being able to say or do whatever they want in the relationship. Your boundary ‘brushes up against’ their expectation of having full access to you or being able to speak freely. They may also genuinely believe you need to hear what they have to say.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Should you be with someone who doesn't respect your boundaries?</strong> This depends on the severity of the violation and your level of dependence. If someone provides childcare but also body shames you, you may need to find alternative childcare to truly maintain the boundary. Sometimes you have to choose between the support someone offers and having your boundaries respected. You might accept that certain behaviors come as part of the "package," or you might want to reduce your reliance on that person.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Is setting boundaries selfish?</strong> Other people may call you selfish when you set boundaries because your limits inconvenience them or challenge their expectations. But protecting your time, energy, and well-being isn't selfish. Your emotional regulation is not someone else's responsibility, and their emotional regulation is not yours.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What do you do when you rely on someone who won't respect your boundaries?</strong> You have to decide whether you can accept that certain boundary violations come with the support they provide, or whether you want to explore other options. This might mean finding alternative childcare, reducing financial dependence, or building a "chosen family" support system.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How do you enforce firm boundaries without cutting people out of your life?</strong> You can maintain a relationship while still enforcing boundaries through your behavior. Don't answer calls during work hours even if they keep calling. Stop conversations immediately when they head toward off-limit topics. Return unwanted gifts. You're not ending the relationship - you're defining how it works.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What does boundaries versus control mean?</strong> Boundaries are about what you will do, not about controlling what someone else does. Telling someone "don't call me during work" is actually trying to control their behavior. The boundary is: "I won't answer calls during work hours." The distinction matters because you can only control yourself.</p><p> </p><h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why enforcing boundaries requires behavioral changes, not just verbal statements</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to use the "fire extinguisher method" to stop conversations that cross your boundaries</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What to do when someone keeps calling, texting, or contacting you after you've asked them not to</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Specific strategies for handling unwanted gifts from family members without adding to your mental load</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to respond when parents or in-laws make repeated comments about your body, parenting, or life choices</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why "allowing people to be upset with you" is a necessary part of maintaining boundaries</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>When you might want to choose between receiving support and having your boundaries respected</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to know if you should accept boundary violations as part of a "package deal" with childcare or other help</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Ways to build alternative support systems when family won't respect your limits</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The difference between boundaries (what you control) and attempts to control others' behavior</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to help kids understand boundaries around physical touch and when you need space</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What to say to children who want immediate attention when you're not available</li></ol><br/><p> </p><h2>Nedra Glover Tawwab's website:</h2><p><a href="http://nedratawab.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nedratawab.com</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p>01:34 Introduction of today’s guest and today’s topic</p><p>04:14 An open invitation to the Black Friday sale coming up in late November</p><p>05:03 What is a boundary?</p><p>05:25 What’s the difference between a boundary and a limit?</p><p>07:34 How does Nedra handle situations when someone keeps ignoring boundaries you've set, even after you've clearly explained why they matter?</p><p>16:20 Nedra says, “If we set boundaries for people, we want them to change.”</p><p>19:01 Jen and Nedra talk about how to set boundaries when it comes to their children</p><p>21:30 Nedra shares about her new children’s book, “What Makes You Happy”</p><p>23:59 Wrapping up</p><p>24:54 Jen tells where to connect with Nedra Glover Tawwab to access her books, quizzes, and other boundary-setting tools</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You've told your parents you're not available during work hours. They keep calling anyway.</p><p> </p><p>You've asked them not to comment on your weight. They bring it up again on the next visit.</p><p> </p><p>You've said no to those random Amazon gifts. Another package arrives at your door.</p><p> </p><p>Many parents know how to set boundaries, but get stuck when someone won't respect them. In this summary episode, therapist Nedra Glover Tawwab shares practical strategies for enforcing boundaries when people repeatedly ignore or dismiss them.</p><p> </p><p>You'll learn about</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>the "fire extinguisher method" for stopping uncomfortable conversations before they spiral</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>how to embody your boundaries through your actions (not just your words)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>how to navigate the especially tricky situation where you rely on someone for childcare but they won't respect your limits.</li></ol><br/><p> </p><p>Nedra also discusses her new children's book and works through real scenarios about unwanted gifts, body-shaming comments, and what to do when setting a boundary means potentially losing support you need.</p><p> </p><p>This conversation gets honest about the hard choices enforcing boundaries sometimes requires. Can you really maintain a boundary with someone you depend on? What do you do when the person provides childcare for you?</p><p> </p><p>Nedra offers a clear framework for deciding when to stand firm, how to take action when words aren't working, and why allowing people to be upset with you is part of the process.</p><p> </p><h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2><p><strong>How do you deal with someone who doesn't respect boundaries?</strong> Enforce the boundary through your behavior, not just your words. If someone keeps calling during work hours after you've asked them not to, don't answer the phone. If they bring unwanted gifts, donate them immediately or return them to the gift-giver. You can't control what they do, but you can control what you do.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why is setting boundaries so hard?</strong> We often learned in our families of origin that setting boundaries leads to rejection or anger. We worry about people being mad at us, the relationship ending, or being seen as selfish. These fears come from early experiences where our caregivers responded poorly when we tried to express our needs and boundaries.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How do you enforce boundaries when words aren't working?</strong> Use behavioral enforcement. Stop answering calls during the times you've said you're unavailable. Use the "fire extinguisher method" to interrupt conversations the moment they start heading toward topics you've said are off-limits. Show through your actions that you meant what you said.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What is the fire extinguisher method for boundaries?</strong> Jump in to stop conversations before they get going, the way you'd use a fire extinguisher on a small flame before it spreads. When someone starts bringing up a topic you've clearly said you won't discuss, interrupt them immediately: "I know where this is going, and I don’t want to talk about it.”</p><p> </p><p><strong>Why do people get upset when you set boundaries?</strong> Some people are used to being able to say or do whatever they want in the relationship. Your boundary ‘brushes up against’ their expectation of having full access to you or being able to speak freely. They may also genuinely believe you need to hear what they have to say.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Should you be with someone who doesn't respect your boundaries?</strong> This depends on the severity of the violation and your level of dependence. If someone provides childcare but also body shames you, you may need to find alternative childcare to truly maintain the boundary. Sometimes you have to choose between the support someone offers and having your boundaries respected. You might accept that certain behaviors come as part of the "package," or you might want to reduce your reliance on that person.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Is setting boundaries selfish?</strong> Other people may call you selfish when you set boundaries because your limits inconvenience them or challenge their expectations. But protecting your time, energy, and well-being isn't selfish. Your emotional regulation is not someone else's responsibility, and their emotional regulation is not yours.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What do you do when you rely on someone who won't respect your boundaries?</strong> You have to decide whether you can accept that certain boundary violations come with the support they provide, or whether you want to explore other options. This might mean finding alternative childcare, reducing financial dependence, or building a "chosen family" support system.</p><p> </p><p><strong>How do you enforce firm boundaries without cutting people out of your life?</strong> You can maintain a relationship while still enforcing boundaries through your behavior. Don't answer calls during work hours even if they keep calling. Stop conversations immediately when they head toward off-limit topics. Return unwanted gifts. You're not ending the relationship - you're defining how it works.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What does boundaries versus control mean?</strong> Boundaries are about what you will do, not about controlling what someone else does. Telling someone "don't call me during work" is actually trying to control their behavior. The boundary is: "I won't answer calls during work hours." The distinction matters because you can only control yourself.</p><p> </p><h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why enforcing boundaries requires behavioral changes, not just verbal statements</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to use the "fire extinguisher method" to stop conversations that cross your boundaries</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What to do when someone keeps calling, texting, or contacting you after you've asked them not to</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Specific strategies for handling unwanted gifts from family members without adding to your mental load</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to respond when parents or in-laws make repeated comments about your body, parenting, or life choices</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why "allowing people to be upset with you" is a necessary part of maintaining boundaries</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>When you might want to choose between receiving support and having your boundaries respected</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to know if you should accept boundary violations as part of a "package deal" with childcare or other help</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Ways to build alternative support systems when family won't respect your limits</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The difference between boundaries (what you control) and attempts to control others' behavior</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to help kids understand boundaries around physical touch and when you need space</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What to say to children who want immediate attention when you're not available</li></ol><br/><p> </p><h2>Nedra Glover Tawwab's website:</h2><p><a href="http://nedratawab.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nedratawab.com</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p>01:34 Introduction of today’s guest and today’s topic</p><p>04:14 An open invitation to the Black Friday sale coming up in late November</p><p>05:03 What is a boundary?</p><p>05:25 What’s the difference between a boundary and a limit?</p><p>07:34 How does Nedra handle situations when someone keeps ignoring boundaries you've set, even after you've clearly explained why they matter?</p><p>16:20 Nedra says, “If we set boundaries for people, we want them to change.”</p><p>19:01 Jen and Nedra talk about how to set boundaries when it comes to their children</p><p>21:30 Nedra shares about her new children’s book, “What Makes You Happy”</p><p>23:59 Wrapping up</p><p>24:54 Jen tells where to connect with Nedra Glover Tawwab to access her books, quizzes, and other boundary-setting tools</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/enforcing-firm-boundaries]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ebe18655-8c5e-4203-9363-5ceb43d6bce8</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ebe18655-8c5e-4203-9363-5ceb43d6bce8.mp3" length="26216521" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/cbe627b4-049b-43dc-be2b-8bc513841d7a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>257: I Don&apos;t Enjoy Playing With My Kid: Why It Happens &amp; What To Do</title><itunes:title>257: I Don&apos;t Enjoy Playing With My Kid: Why It Happens &amp; What To Do</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you ever wake up with tension in your body because you know your child will want to play the moment you walk out of your bedroom?

&nbsp;

Do you spend time with your child but think about all the chores you should be doing instead?

&nbsp;

Parent Aija came to a (FREE!) <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondthebehavior/">Beyond The Behavior</a> coaching call with exactly this challenge. She plays with her four-and-a-half-year-old son a lot. But she doesn't enjoy it. And she has big feelings of guilt and shame about that.

&nbsp;

What starts as a question about setting boundaries and making time for herself becomes something much deeper. We discover that Aija's struggle with play isn't really about play at all.

&nbsp;

When we explore what makes Special Time so hard, we uncover sadness and grief that Aija didn't even realize was there. The messages she received as a child about productivity and being a "good" future wife and mother are still running in the background, making it really hard for her to be present with her son. But we also find three concrete strategies that help Aija see a way forward.

&nbsp;

By the end of our conversation, her entire demeanor has shifted. She's smiling. She has a plan. We’ll uncover the key reasons why playing with our kids is hard, and how to get the most out of this important time.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is parenting guilt?</strong> Parenting guilt shows up when you think you "should" enjoy something but you don't. As Aija describes it: "I don't enjoy just spending time playing. My kids, that's terrible. But it seems that no matter how much Special Time we have, it's not enough for him." It's the gap between the parent you think you're supposed to be and the reality of your experience.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I have parenting guilt about not enjoying play?</strong> Parenting guilt often comes from comparing yourself to others and from messages you received growing up. When Aija watches her husband play easily with their son, she thinks "I want to be like that" - but that comparison triggers shame, which makes it even harder to make decisions aligned with your values.

&nbsp;

<strong>What is Special Time with your child?</strong> Special Time is consistent daily dedicated one-on-one time with your child where they get to choose the activity. The purpose is to meet their need for autonomy, along with their needs for connection, joy, and fun.

&nbsp;

<strong>How is Special Time linked to my child’s behavior?</strong>  Even just spending 10 minutes consistently with your child can have enormous benefits on their connection with you (and thus their behavior in situations outside of Special Time).  Many of the behaviors that parents find irritating (resisting leaving the house in the morning, annoying behaviors, hitting siblings, bedtime stalling) are kids’ best attempt to connect with us - when they do these things, we pay attention to them.  When we do Special Time, they’ll likely stop using these behaviors to get your attention/connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the benefits of Special Time?</strong> Special Time meets your child's needs for connection, joy, play, and autonomy. When children get their connection needs met consistently, they're less likely to use challenging behaviors to get your attention. As we discover in Aija's situation, her son's morning behaviors (taking her bookmark, throwing blankets over her head) are his way of trying to get connection time.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to do Special Time with kids?</strong> Special Time should ideally be 10 minutes of consistent daily play where the child gets to choose the activity.  The consistency is really important.  It’s much better to do 10 minutes daily than an hour on an unpredictable basis.  This communicates to your child: “You’re special.  I love you and I want to spend time with you.”

&nbsp;

<strong>How to make Special Time easier?</strong> Three strategies can help: First, offer activities you actually enjoy doing together as the default options - for Aija, that meant suggesting Legos or painting first. Second, use Special Time as your mindfulness practice by noticing when your mind wanders to thoughts about chores or productivity, and bringing yourself back to the present moment. Third, have problem-solving conversations about recurring challenges to find strategies that meet everyone's needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why does my child whine, cry, and tantrum at the end of Special Time?</strong> They do these things because they enjoy it so much - and because they don’t know when they’ll get to have this amazing experience with you again.  When you tell them: “Well have Special Time again tomorrow” <em>and then actually do it, </em>they learn to trust you and they stop protesting when it’s over.

&nbsp;

<strong>What causes productivity guilt?</strong> Productivity guilt comes from cultural conditioning. As Aija discovered when exploring her childhood: "I think as I got older, it was more about school. You have to get good grades and you have to learn certain skills to function as a future mom." When you're taught that your worth comes from being productive, play can seem like a waste of time.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I feel guilty when I'm unproductive?</strong> The belief that you should always be productive usually comes from how you were raised. Aija realized: "Play is not productive. Yeah, it seems that's how I grew up." When rest or play triggers thoughts about chores you "should" be doing instead, that's this conditioning at work.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you meet your needs and your child's needs at the same time?</strong> Start by identifying what needs each person has. Then have a problem-solving conversation where everyone describes their ideal experience. Look for strategies that address multiple needs at once - like offering five minutes of connection first thing in the morning to meet your child's need for connection, which then makes it easier for them to give you the time and space you want to drink your coffee and read.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do needs influence behavior?</strong> When children's needs aren't met, they find strategies to get those needs met - sometimes through behaviors we find challenging. A child who steals your bookmark or throws blankets over your head is meeting their need for connection by making sure you notice them and don't forget about spending time together.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I set boundaries with family members without damaging relationships?</strong> Boundaries work best as a second-line tool, after you've tried to find strategies that meet everyone's needs. When you meet your child's needs most of the time, they're much more willing to accept boundaries in the moments when you can't meet both of your needs. You may also find you want to set fewer boundaries because when everyone's needs are being met more often, there are fewer moments of conflict.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to get rid of parental guilt?</strong> Instead of trying to eliminate guilt, get curious about where it comes from. What messages did you receive growing up about play, productivity, and what makes you valuable? Then work on meeting both your needs and your child's needs through problem-solving conversations and choosing activities you genuinely enjoy doing together. Using playtime as mindfulness practice can also help - noticing thoughts about what you "should" be doing and bringing yourself back to the present moment.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I experience play resistance with my child?</strong> Play resistance often comes from messages you received growing up about the value of productivity versus play. As Aija discovered, when you were taught to focus on school, achievement, and preparing to be a future spouse and parent, "play is not productive" becomes a deeply ingrained belief that's hard to shake, even when you're with your own child.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
You'll hear a real coaching conversation with parent Aija, who doesn't enjoy playing with her son and has big feelings of guilt and shame about that. You'll discover:
<ul><li>Why disliking play often isn't about the play itself, but about the messages you received growing up about productivity and your worth</li><li>How comparing yourself to your partner (who seems to play effortlessly) can trigger shame that makes it even harder to be present with your child</li><li>The connection between childhood grief and difficulty setting boundaries with your own children</li><li>Three specific strategies to make Special Time more enjoyable: focusing on activities you actually like doing together, using playtime as mindfulness practice, and having problem-solving conversations about recurring challenges</li><li>Why your child's challenging morning behaviors (like stealing your bookmark or throwing blankets over your head - as well as behaviors like resisting leaving the house, doing things you find annoying, hitting siblings, and resisting bedtime) are actually bids for connection</li><li>How to structure an "ideal morning" conversation with your family that identifies everyone's needs and finds strategies to meet them</li><li>Why boundaries should be your second-line tool, not your default approach</li><li>How meeting your child's needs more consistently actually makes them more receptive to boundaries when you do need to set them</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h4>Beyond The Behavior Coaching Calls</h4>
<strong>Want coaching like this for yourself?</strong>

These Beyond The Behavior calls happen on the second Wednesday of each month from 9 AM Pacific, and they're completely free. You can get coached on whatever challenge you're facing right now, or just listen in while I coach other parents.

&nbsp;

We usually work with two or three parents on each call. And if you can't make...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you ever wake up with tension in your body because you know your child will want to play the moment you walk out of your bedroom?

&nbsp;

Do you spend time with your child but think about all the chores you should be doing instead?

&nbsp;

Parent Aija came to a (FREE!) <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondthebehavior/">Beyond The Behavior</a> coaching call with exactly this challenge. She plays with her four-and-a-half-year-old son a lot. But she doesn't enjoy it. And she has big feelings of guilt and shame about that.

&nbsp;

What starts as a question about setting boundaries and making time for herself becomes something much deeper. We discover that Aija's struggle with play isn't really about play at all.

&nbsp;

When we explore what makes Special Time so hard, we uncover sadness and grief that Aija didn't even realize was there. The messages she received as a child about productivity and being a "good" future wife and mother are still running in the background, making it really hard for her to be present with her son. But we also find three concrete strategies that help Aija see a way forward.

&nbsp;

By the end of our conversation, her entire demeanor has shifted. She's smiling. She has a plan. We’ll uncover the key reasons why playing with our kids is hard, and how to get the most out of this important time.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is parenting guilt?</strong> Parenting guilt shows up when you think you "should" enjoy something but you don't. As Aija describes it: "I don't enjoy just spending time playing. My kids, that's terrible. But it seems that no matter how much Special Time we have, it's not enough for him." It's the gap between the parent you think you're supposed to be and the reality of your experience.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I have parenting guilt about not enjoying play?</strong> Parenting guilt often comes from comparing yourself to others and from messages you received growing up. When Aija watches her husband play easily with their son, she thinks "I want to be like that" - but that comparison triggers shame, which makes it even harder to make decisions aligned with your values.

&nbsp;

<strong>What is Special Time with your child?</strong> Special Time is consistent daily dedicated one-on-one time with your child where they get to choose the activity. The purpose is to meet their need for autonomy, along with their needs for connection, joy, and fun.

&nbsp;

<strong>How is Special Time linked to my child’s behavior?</strong>  Even just spending 10 minutes consistently with your child can have enormous benefits on their connection with you (and thus their behavior in situations outside of Special Time).  Many of the behaviors that parents find irritating (resisting leaving the house in the morning, annoying behaviors, hitting siblings, bedtime stalling) are kids’ best attempt to connect with us - when they do these things, we pay attention to them.  When we do Special Time, they’ll likely stop using these behaviors to get your attention/connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the benefits of Special Time?</strong> Special Time meets your child's needs for connection, joy, play, and autonomy. When children get their connection needs met consistently, they're less likely to use challenging behaviors to get your attention. As we discover in Aija's situation, her son's morning behaviors (taking her bookmark, throwing blankets over her head) are his way of trying to get connection time.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to do Special Time with kids?</strong> Special Time should ideally be 10 minutes of consistent daily play where the child gets to choose the activity.  The consistency is really important.  It’s much better to do 10 minutes daily than an hour on an unpredictable basis.  This communicates to your child: “You’re special.  I love you and I want to spend time with you.”

&nbsp;

<strong>How to make Special Time easier?</strong> Three strategies can help: First, offer activities you actually enjoy doing together as the default options - for Aija, that meant suggesting Legos or painting first. Second, use Special Time as your mindfulness practice by noticing when your mind wanders to thoughts about chores or productivity, and bringing yourself back to the present moment. Third, have problem-solving conversations about recurring challenges to find strategies that meet everyone's needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why does my child whine, cry, and tantrum at the end of Special Time?</strong> They do these things because they enjoy it so much - and because they don’t know when they’ll get to have this amazing experience with you again.  When you tell them: “Well have Special Time again tomorrow” <em>and then actually do it, </em>they learn to trust you and they stop protesting when it’s over.

&nbsp;

<strong>What causes productivity guilt?</strong> Productivity guilt comes from cultural conditioning. As Aija discovered when exploring her childhood: "I think as I got older, it was more about school. You have to get good grades and you have to learn certain skills to function as a future mom." When you're taught that your worth comes from being productive, play can seem like a waste of time.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I feel guilty when I'm unproductive?</strong> The belief that you should always be productive usually comes from how you were raised. Aija realized: "Play is not productive. Yeah, it seems that's how I grew up." When rest or play triggers thoughts about chores you "should" be doing instead, that's this conditioning at work.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you meet your needs and your child's needs at the same time?</strong> Start by identifying what needs each person has. Then have a problem-solving conversation where everyone describes their ideal experience. Look for strategies that address multiple needs at once - like offering five minutes of connection first thing in the morning to meet your child's need for connection, which then makes it easier for them to give you the time and space you want to drink your coffee and read.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do needs influence behavior?</strong> When children's needs aren't met, they find strategies to get those needs met - sometimes through behaviors we find challenging. A child who steals your bookmark or throws blankets over your head is meeting their need for connection by making sure you notice them and don't forget about spending time together.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I set boundaries with family members without damaging relationships?</strong> Boundaries work best as a second-line tool, after you've tried to find strategies that meet everyone's needs. When you meet your child's needs most of the time, they're much more willing to accept boundaries in the moments when you can't meet both of your needs. You may also find you want to set fewer boundaries because when everyone's needs are being met more often, there are fewer moments of conflict.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to get rid of parental guilt?</strong> Instead of trying to eliminate guilt, get curious about where it comes from. What messages did you receive growing up about play, productivity, and what makes you valuable? Then work on meeting both your needs and your child's needs through problem-solving conversations and choosing activities you genuinely enjoy doing together. Using playtime as mindfulness practice can also help - noticing thoughts about what you "should" be doing and bringing yourself back to the present moment.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I experience play resistance with my child?</strong> Play resistance often comes from messages you received growing up about the value of productivity versus play. As Aija discovered, when you were taught to focus on school, achievement, and preparing to be a future spouse and parent, "play is not productive" becomes a deeply ingrained belief that's hard to shake, even when you're with your own child.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
You'll hear a real coaching conversation with parent Aija, who doesn't enjoy playing with her son and has big feelings of guilt and shame about that. You'll discover:
<ul><li>Why disliking play often isn't about the play itself, but about the messages you received growing up about productivity and your worth</li><li>How comparing yourself to your partner (who seems to play effortlessly) can trigger shame that makes it even harder to be present with your child</li><li>The connection between childhood grief and difficulty setting boundaries with your own children</li><li>Three specific strategies to make Special Time more enjoyable: focusing on activities you actually like doing together, using playtime as mindfulness practice, and having problem-solving conversations about recurring challenges</li><li>Why your child's challenging morning behaviors (like stealing your bookmark or throwing blankets over your head - as well as behaviors like resisting leaving the house, doing things you find annoying, hitting siblings, and resisting bedtime) are actually bids for connection</li><li>How to structure an "ideal morning" conversation with your family that identifies everyone's needs and finds strategies to meet them</li><li>Why boundaries should be your second-line tool, not your default approach</li><li>How meeting your child's needs more consistently actually makes them more receptive to boundaries when you do need to set them</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h4>Beyond The Behavior Coaching Calls</h4>
<strong>Want coaching like this for yourself?</strong>

These Beyond The Behavior calls happen on the second Wednesday of each month from 9 AM Pacific, and they're completely free. You can get coached on whatever challenge you're facing right now, or just listen in while I coach other parents.

&nbsp;

We usually work with two or three parents on each call. And if you can't make it live, don't worry - recordings are available inside the Parenting Membership where they're searchable by topic.

&nbsp;

There's no commitment. We'll send you a reminder before each call, and you can join if it works for you or skip it if you're busy with other things.

&nbsp;

Whether you're struggling with Special Time like Aija, dealing with challenging behaviors, or trying to figure out how to stop yelling at your kids, these calls give you a chance to work through your specific situation with support.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more and sign up

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondthebehavior/"></a>

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<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:36 Jen shares some updates that are about to happen in the podcast, as well as the Your Parenting Mojo business that supports it

06:16 An open invitation to Parent Coaching for effective, lasting change

08:11 The biggest change to a long-time podcast listener after today’s episode is that Jen is likely to produce much shorter episodes than usual

10:11 A BIG update in the Parenting Membership, which is about to start in January 2026

18:00 Aija shares a story from when she was young that shows us what play looked like for her

25:39 Three strategies when you don’t enjoy playing with your child

37:17 Wrapping up

41:30 An open invitation to the FREE Beyond the Behavior coaching calls]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting-guilt-playing-with-kids]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4a39aae2-81db-40ca-99e7-21a3a9d5c7f7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/4a39aae2-81db-40ca-99e7-21a3a9d5c7f7.mp3" length="40870975" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>257</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>257</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/2e90f1f6-722a-45f7-bd5b-067bc254c531/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>256: Managing Anger as a Parent: The Two Types of Anger You Need to Know</title><itunes:title>256: Managing Anger as a Parent: The Two Types of Anger You Need to Know</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Are you tired of feeling guilty every time you get angry as a parent? What if your anger actually contains valuable information about what needs to change in your family systems?

&nbsp;

Most parental anger management approaches treat all anger the same way - as a problem that requires control. But research shows there are actually two distinct types of parental anger, and understanding this difference changes everything about how you respond. Instead of suppressing your emotions or exploding at your kids, you can learn to use your anger constructively to create positive change for your family.

&nbsp;

In this episode, you'll discover why traditional anger control methods often backfire and learn a practical framework for responding to your anger in ways that honor both your emotional experience and your family's wellbeing. You'll understand when your anger is pointing to legitimate systemic problems versus when it's signaling you've hit your personal limits.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Why do I get so angry as a parent?</strong> Parental anger often emerges when core values around fairness, respect, or safety are violated, or when you're overwhelmed and basic needs aren't being met.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the two types of anger parents experience?</strong> Values-Aligned Anger carries information about legitimate concerns and aims for positive change, while Reactive Anger emerges from overwhelm, triggers, or unmet basic needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I control my anger with my child?</strong> The HEAR method (Halt, Empathize, Acknowledge, Respond) provides a framework for responding to anger constructively rather than suppressing or exploding.

&nbsp;

<strong>How does parental anger affect children?</strong> When parents model constructive anger responses, children learn that emotions can fuel positive change rather than destruction, and that their voices matter.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I deal with parental anger issues?</strong> Understanding whether your anger is Values-Aligned (requiring systemic changes) or Reactive (requiring self-care and healing) determines the most effective response strategy.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the symptoms of parental rage?</strong> Reactive anger typically comes suddenly with surprising intensity, seems disproportionate to triggers, and leaves you drained, while Values-Aligned anger builds gradually and energizes you toward solutions.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why emotional suppression techniques often backfire and create "emotional rebound" effects</li><li>How to distinguish between Values-Aligned Anger (pointing to systemic problems) and Reactive Anger (signaling overwhelm or triggers)</li><li>The HEAR method for responding to anger constructively while maintaining family connection</li><li>Practical strategies for addressing the mental load and inequitable parenting responsibilities</li><li>How to model healthy anger responses that teach children their emotions have value</li><li>When to focus on systemic changes versus personal healing and self-care</li><li>Why your anger about impossible parenting standards reflects legitimate concerns about family-unfriendly systems</li><li>How to break the Anger-Guilt Cycle that keeps parents stuck in suppression and explosion patterns</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:53 Introduction to today’s episode

03:50 Research shows that common anger management advice like breathing exercises and staying calm actually backfires, creating an emotional rebound that makes anger worse

05:40 A comprehensive research review by Richard and colleagues examined 46 studies on anger and found that anger serves important functions in our cognitive and emotional systems

06:07 The first type of anger, which is the Lordian Rage, according to Philosopher Myisha Cherry, but other researchers call it values-aligned anger or moral anger

07:50 The second type of anger is the reactive anger, and it emerges from overwhelm from past triggers getting activated or from basic needs that are not being met

09:10 You have to look at your own history and situation to know what kind of anger you’re dealing with

12:15 Both types of anger contain important information, but they're most effectively addressed with quite different responses. Jen has created a HEAR method: H for halt, E for empathize, A for acknowledge, and R for respond, which can be used when the anger is already building up

21:02 When you feel angry about shouldering a disproportionate share of family responsibilities, your anger reflects broader cultural patterns where domestic labor continues to fall more heavily on women

23:42 Ideas that can be gained from the discussion

24:40 An open invitation for the Taming Your Triggers workshop]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Are you tired of feeling guilty every time you get angry as a parent? What if your anger actually contains valuable information about what needs to change in your family systems?

&nbsp;

Most parental anger management approaches treat all anger the same way - as a problem that requires control. But research shows there are actually two distinct types of parental anger, and understanding this difference changes everything about how you respond. Instead of suppressing your emotions or exploding at your kids, you can learn to use your anger constructively to create positive change for your family.

&nbsp;

In this episode, you'll discover why traditional anger control methods often backfire and learn a practical framework for responding to your anger in ways that honor both your emotional experience and your family's wellbeing. You'll understand when your anger is pointing to legitimate systemic problems versus when it's signaling you've hit your personal limits.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Why do I get so angry as a parent?</strong> Parental anger often emerges when core values around fairness, respect, or safety are violated, or when you're overwhelmed and basic needs aren't being met.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the two types of anger parents experience?</strong> Values-Aligned Anger carries information about legitimate concerns and aims for positive change, while Reactive Anger emerges from overwhelm, triggers, or unmet basic needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I control my anger with my child?</strong> The HEAR method (Halt, Empathize, Acknowledge, Respond) provides a framework for responding to anger constructively rather than suppressing or exploding.

&nbsp;

<strong>How does parental anger affect children?</strong> When parents model constructive anger responses, children learn that emotions can fuel positive change rather than destruction, and that their voices matter.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I deal with parental anger issues?</strong> Understanding whether your anger is Values-Aligned (requiring systemic changes) or Reactive (requiring self-care and healing) determines the most effective response strategy.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the symptoms of parental rage?</strong> Reactive anger typically comes suddenly with surprising intensity, seems disproportionate to triggers, and leaves you drained, while Values-Aligned anger builds gradually and energizes you toward solutions.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why emotional suppression techniques often backfire and create "emotional rebound" effects</li><li>How to distinguish between Values-Aligned Anger (pointing to systemic problems) and Reactive Anger (signaling overwhelm or triggers)</li><li>The HEAR method for responding to anger constructively while maintaining family connection</li><li>Practical strategies for addressing the mental load and inequitable parenting responsibilities</li><li>How to model healthy anger responses that teach children their emotions have value</li><li>When to focus on systemic changes versus personal healing and self-care</li><li>Why your anger about impossible parenting standards reflects legitimate concerns about family-unfriendly systems</li><li>How to break the Anger-Guilt Cycle that keeps parents stuck in suppression and explosion patterns</li></ul><br/>
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<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:53 Introduction to today’s episode

03:50 Research shows that common anger management advice like breathing exercises and staying calm actually backfires, creating an emotional rebound that makes anger worse

05:40 A comprehensive research review by Richard and colleagues examined 46 studies on anger and found that anger serves important functions in our cognitive and emotional systems

06:07 The first type of anger, which is the Lordian Rage, according to Philosopher Myisha Cherry, but other researchers call it values-aligned anger or moral anger

07:50 The second type of anger is the reactive anger, and it emerges from overwhelm from past triggers getting activated or from basic needs that are not being met

09:10 You have to look at your own history and situation to know what kind of anger you’re dealing with

12:15 Both types of anger contain important information, but they're most effectively addressed with quite different responses. Jen has created a HEAR method: H for halt, E for empathize, A for acknowledge, and R for respond, which can be used when the anger is already building up

21:02 When you feel angry about shouldering a disproportionate share of family responsibilities, your anger reflects broader cultural patterns where domestic labor continues to fall more heavily on women

23:42 Ideas that can be gained from the discussion

24:40 An open invitation for the Taming Your Triggers workshop]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/two-types-of-parental-anger-management-guide]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5518a369-e00e-46f8-b72d-4053291f71ab</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/5518a369-e00e-46f8-b72d-4053291f71ab.mp3" length="25427401" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>256</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>256</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a1bbad78-4737-4af3-a7e0-9db898521301/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>255: Why Do I Keep Snapping? Parenting Rage When Your Childhood ‘Wasn’t That Bad</title><itunes:title>255: Why Do I Keep Snapping? Parenting Rage When Your Childhood ‘Wasn’t That Bad</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you find yourself going from zero to a hundred in seconds when your child spills something, refuses to cooperate, or has a meltdown? If you're constantly asking yourself, "Why do I keep snapping at my child?" or "Why am I so angry as a parent?" - you're definitely not alone. Many parents struggle with parenting triggers that seem to come out of nowhere, leaving them wondering how such small incidents can create such big reactions.

&nbsp;

What if your childhood "wasn't that bad" but you're still dealing with parenting anger? In this episode, we explore the connection between unknown childhood trauma and parenting triggers through a real coaching session with Terese, a teacher and mom of three who found herself snapping at her kids despite having plenty of support at home.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how unresolved childhood trauma in adults shows up in parenting - even when we don't recognize our experiences as traumatic - and learn practical strategies to break generational cycles of yelling and reactivity.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Can you have childhood trauma and not know it?</strong> Yes - many adults don't recognize patterns like walking on eggshells or constant criticism as signs of unresolved childhood trauma, but these experiences still create parenting triggers and shape how we respond to stress as parents.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I get so angry as a parent when my childhood wasn't traumatic?</strong> Unknown childhood trauma often involves seemingly "normal" experiences that still create triggers in our nervous system, causing us to react intensely to situations that mirror our past, even if we don't identify our upbringing as traumatic.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the signs of unresolved childhood trauma in adults?</strong> Signs include quick reactivity to minor issues, parenting anger over small things, feeling like everything is "your fault," difficulty with self-compassion, and repeating patterns you experienced as a child - even from childhoods that seemed "fine."

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I stop getting angry with my child?</strong> Breaking the cycle of parenting triggers involves recognizing your unknown childhood trauma patterns, meeting your basic needs (like movement and rest), and developing self-compassion instead of self-judgment.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to deal with rage as a parent?</strong> Start by identifying your baseline needs, practice self-compassion when you do snap, work to separate your mother's voice from your own thoughts, and understand that parenting anger often stems from unresolved trauma and parenting patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why am I so triggered by my child when I had a normal childhood?</strong> Children often activate our own childhood wounds through their behavior, especially when it mirrors situations where we felt criticized or blamed as kids - even in families we remember as loving or "normal."

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
You'll hear how one parent's story of snapping over a bike ride reveals deeper patterns rooted in unknown childhood trauma - growing up with a mother who yelled frequently in what she considered a "normal" household. We explore how seemingly typical childhoods involving walking on eggshells create adults who struggle with self-compassion and parenting triggers, even when they don't identify their experiences as traumatic.

&nbsp;

Discover practical strategies for addressing unresolved childhood trauma in adults, including how to identify your movement and rest baselines, why self-compassion is crucial for breaking cycles of parenting anger, and how to recognize when you're thinking critical thoughts rather than accepting them as truth. You'll learn why meeting your basic needs isn't selfish when dealing with parenting triggers - it's essential for showing up as the parent you want to be.

&nbsp;

We also address how unresolved trauma and parenting intersect, showing you how to separate your own childhood experiences from your current parenting challenges. This episode offers hope for parents dealing with anger issues, demonstrating that understanding your triggers - even those rooted in unknown childhood trauma - is the first step toward responding to your kids with more patience and connection, regardless of whether you consider your childhood traumatic.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:29 Introduction to today’s episode

04:32 Terese is telling her experience where she snapped, from zero to a hundred

09:33 Terese shares about her childhood

13:18 Terese often notices she sometimes snaps at her children, and she's wondering if this connects to her own childhood experiences with her mother, who often yelled and blamed her

25:15 What Terese would advise her friend if that “snapping” situation happened to her

32:54 Tools that can help when you feel that you’re about to snap

33:55 An open invitation to the Taming Your Triggers workshop]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you find yourself going from zero to a hundred in seconds when your child spills something, refuses to cooperate, or has a meltdown? If you're constantly asking yourself, "Why do I keep snapping at my child?" or "Why am I so angry as a parent?" - you're definitely not alone. Many parents struggle with parenting triggers that seem to come out of nowhere, leaving them wondering how such small incidents can create such big reactions.

&nbsp;

What if your childhood "wasn't that bad" but you're still dealing with parenting anger? In this episode, we explore the connection between unknown childhood trauma and parenting triggers through a real coaching session with Terese, a teacher and mom of three who found herself snapping at her kids despite having plenty of support at home.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how unresolved childhood trauma in adults shows up in parenting - even when we don't recognize our experiences as traumatic - and learn practical strategies to break generational cycles of yelling and reactivity.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Can you have childhood trauma and not know it?</strong> Yes - many adults don't recognize patterns like walking on eggshells or constant criticism as signs of unresolved childhood trauma, but these experiences still create parenting triggers and shape how we respond to stress as parents.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I get so angry as a parent when my childhood wasn't traumatic?</strong> Unknown childhood trauma often involves seemingly "normal" experiences that still create triggers in our nervous system, causing us to react intensely to situations that mirror our past, even if we don't identify our upbringing as traumatic.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the signs of unresolved childhood trauma in adults?</strong> Signs include quick reactivity to minor issues, parenting anger over small things, feeling like everything is "your fault," difficulty with self-compassion, and repeating patterns you experienced as a child - even from childhoods that seemed "fine."

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I stop getting angry with my child?</strong> Breaking the cycle of parenting triggers involves recognizing your unknown childhood trauma patterns, meeting your basic needs (like movement and rest), and developing self-compassion instead of self-judgment.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to deal with rage as a parent?</strong> Start by identifying your baseline needs, practice self-compassion when you do snap, work to separate your mother's voice from your own thoughts, and understand that parenting anger often stems from unresolved trauma and parenting patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why am I so triggered by my child when I had a normal childhood?</strong> Children often activate our own childhood wounds through their behavior, especially when it mirrors situations where we felt criticized or blamed as kids - even in families we remember as loving or "normal."

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
You'll hear how one parent's story of snapping over a bike ride reveals deeper patterns rooted in unknown childhood trauma - growing up with a mother who yelled frequently in what she considered a "normal" household. We explore how seemingly typical childhoods involving walking on eggshells create adults who struggle with self-compassion and parenting triggers, even when they don't identify their experiences as traumatic.

&nbsp;

Discover practical strategies for addressing unresolved childhood trauma in adults, including how to identify your movement and rest baselines, why self-compassion is crucial for breaking cycles of parenting anger, and how to recognize when you're thinking critical thoughts rather than accepting them as truth. You'll learn why meeting your basic needs isn't selfish when dealing with parenting triggers - it's essential for showing up as the parent you want to be.

&nbsp;

We also address how unresolved trauma and parenting intersect, showing you how to separate your own childhood experiences from your current parenting challenges. This episode offers hope for parents dealing with anger issues, demonstrating that understanding your triggers - even those rooted in unknown childhood trauma - is the first step toward responding to your kids with more patience and connection, regardless of whether you consider your childhood traumatic.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:29 Introduction to today’s episode

04:32 Terese is telling her experience where she snapped, from zero to a hundred

09:33 Terese shares about her childhood

13:18 Terese often notices she sometimes snaps at her children, and she's wondering if this connects to her own childhood experiences with her mother, who often yelled and blamed her

25:15 What Terese would advise her friend if that “snapping” situation happened to her

32:54 Tools that can help when you feel that you’re about to snap

33:55 An open invitation to the Taming Your Triggers workshop]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/unknown-childhood-trauma-parenting-triggers]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e77f3ad6-09bf-413e-ad66-3eb5eab5e27a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e77f3ad6-09bf-413e-ad66-3eb5eab5e27a.mp3" length="33988105" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>255</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>255</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/55d1edde-74dc-43c2-bef3-3ce10df49763/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 04: Reparenting Yourself: Break Your Family’s Trauma Cycle</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 04: Reparenting Yourself: Break Your Family’s Trauma Cycle</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Every parent knows that harsh inner voice that whispers "You're a terrible parent" when you lose your patience, or "You've ruined your kids forever" after a difficult moment. This episode reveals a simple "magic trick" that can instantly create space between you and those critical thoughts - and it's something anyone can learn.

&nbsp;

Discover how one powerful phrase can transform your reactions from triggered explosions to curious responses. You'll learn where your inner critic actually comes from (hint: it's often an echo from your own childhood), and how reparenting yourself can break generational cycles of trauma.

&nbsp;

This episode recaps the following episodes, giving you a lot of the benefit of 3 hours of content, in just 21 minutes:
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/amy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 017: Reparenting ourselves to create empathy in the world with Amy</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/innercritic/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">178: How to heal your inner critic</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thoughts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">193: You don't have to believe everything you think</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is the inner critic and how does it affect parenting?</strong>

The inner critic is that harsh, judgmental voice that tells you you're failing as a parent. It often stems from childhood trauma and can trigger explosive reactions to normal child behavior.

&nbsp;

<strong>Where does the inner critic come from?</strong>

Your inner critic is usually an internalized version of critical voices from your childhood - parents, teachers, or caregivers who couldn't handle your authentic self or big emotions.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you identify your inner critic?</strong>

Watch for thoughts using absolute language ("always," "never," "terrible"), character judgments ("I'm a bad parent"), catastrophic conclusions, and voices that sound like critical figures from your past.

&nbsp;

<strong>What does reparenting yourself mean?</strong>

Reparenting yourself means giving yourself the patience, understanding, and compassion you didn't receive as a child - becoming the caring parent to yourself that you needed growing up.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you reparent yourself as a parent?</strong>

Start by questioning your thoughts instead of believing them automatically. When you notice self-critical thoughts, respond to yourself with the same gentleness you'd offer a dear friend or your own child.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can you break the generational cycle of trauma?</strong>

Use tools like the ‘magic trick’ from this episode to create space between your triggered reactions and conscious responses, allowing you to respond from your values instead of reacting from old wounds.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are common inner critic examples parents experience?</strong>

"Everyone thinks I'm a bad parent", "I'm raising a disrespectful child", "I've damaged my child forever", "Other parents are better than me", and "I'm just repeating my parents' mistakes".

&nbsp;

<strong>How does childhood trauma affect parenting?</strong>

Unresolved childhood trauma can make you react disproportionately to normal child behavior, shut down emotionally when children express big emotions, or swing between being too permissive and too strict.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<strong>The Simple ‘Magic Trick’ That Changes Everything</strong> Learn the exact phrase that instantly creates distance between you and your critical thoughts, giving you space to respond differently in challenging parenting moments.

&nbsp;

<strong>Real Parent Examples of Transformation</strong> Hear Katie's story of how this technique helped her stop spiraling when her friend didn't call back, and Amy's powerful example of interrupting explosive anger with her children after recognizing the pattern.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to Identify Your Inner Critic Patterns</strong> Discover the four key signs that reveal when your inner critic is driving your reactions, including the specific language patterns and emotional triggers to watch for.

&nbsp;

<strong>The Connection Between Childhood Trauma and Parenting</strong> Understand how experiences that left you unable to express your authentic self safely create the inner critic voices that get triggered by your children's normal behavior.

&nbsp;

<strong>A 5-Step Practice You Can Use Today</strong> Get a concrete framework for noticing stories, adding the "magic words," getting curious about other possibilities, checking your body, and practicing self-compassion.

&nbsp;

<strong>How This Creates Space for Different Choices</strong> Learn how stepping back from your thoughts as absolute truth opens up new possibilities for responding to your child's behavior with curiosity instead of reactivity.

&nbsp;

<strong>Breaking Generational Cycles in Your Family</strong> Discover how using this technique not only changes your parenting but teaches your children emotional intelligence and conflict resolution skills they'll carry into adulthood.

&nbsp;

<strong>Reparenting Yourself Through Daily Interactions</strong> Understand how this simple practice becomes a form of reparenting yourself - giving yourself the patient, understanding voice you needed as a child but may not have received.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h3>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <em>Taming Your Triggers workshop</em> will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Printable PDF:</h3>
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&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:28 What’s packed into today’s episode

02:19 That voice in our heads that’s constantly judging us and makes parenting so much harder is called the inner critic

05:03 How can we identify this inner critic and separate it from what’s really happening? What triggers our inner critic?

06:44 You don’t have to believe everything you think

14:10 When we believe our thoughts completely, we only see one version of reality, but stepping back to recognize these as thoughts rather than facts opens up new possibilities for how we understand our children, partners, and ourselves as parents

15:32 What is reparenting?

17:31 Wrapping up]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Every parent knows that harsh inner voice that whispers "You're a terrible parent" when you lose your patience, or "You've ruined your kids forever" after a difficult moment. This episode reveals a simple "magic trick" that can instantly create space between you and those critical thoughts - and it's something anyone can learn.

&nbsp;

Discover how one powerful phrase can transform your reactions from triggered explosions to curious responses. You'll learn where your inner critic actually comes from (hint: it's often an echo from your own childhood), and how reparenting yourself can break generational cycles of trauma.

&nbsp;

This episode recaps the following episodes, giving you a lot of the benefit of 3 hours of content, in just 21 minutes:
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/amy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 017: Reparenting ourselves to create empathy in the world with Amy</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/innercritic/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">178: How to heal your inner critic</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thoughts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">193: You don't have to believe everything you think</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is the inner critic and how does it affect parenting?</strong>

The inner critic is that harsh, judgmental voice that tells you you're failing as a parent. It often stems from childhood trauma and can trigger explosive reactions to normal child behavior.

&nbsp;

<strong>Where does the inner critic come from?</strong>

Your inner critic is usually an internalized version of critical voices from your childhood - parents, teachers, or caregivers who couldn't handle your authentic self or big emotions.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you identify your inner critic?</strong>

Watch for thoughts using absolute language ("always," "never," "terrible"), character judgments ("I'm a bad parent"), catastrophic conclusions, and voices that sound like critical figures from your past.

&nbsp;

<strong>What does reparenting yourself mean?</strong>

Reparenting yourself means giving yourself the patience, understanding, and compassion you didn't receive as a child - becoming the caring parent to yourself that you needed growing up.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you reparent yourself as a parent?</strong>

Start by questioning your thoughts instead of believing them automatically. When you notice self-critical thoughts, respond to yourself with the same gentleness you'd offer a dear friend or your own child.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can you break the generational cycle of trauma?</strong>

Use tools like the ‘magic trick’ from this episode to create space between your triggered reactions and conscious responses, allowing you to respond from your values instead of reacting from old wounds.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are common inner critic examples parents experience?</strong>

"Everyone thinks I'm a bad parent", "I'm raising a disrespectful child", "I've damaged my child forever", "Other parents are better than me", and "I'm just repeating my parents' mistakes".

&nbsp;

<strong>How does childhood trauma affect parenting?</strong>

Unresolved childhood trauma can make you react disproportionately to normal child behavior, shut down emotionally when children express big emotions, or swing between being too permissive and too strict.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<strong>The Simple ‘Magic Trick’ That Changes Everything</strong> Learn the exact phrase that instantly creates distance between you and your critical thoughts, giving you space to respond differently in challenging parenting moments.

&nbsp;

<strong>Real Parent Examples of Transformation</strong> Hear Katie's story of how this technique helped her stop spiraling when her friend didn't call back, and Amy's powerful example of interrupting explosive anger with her children after recognizing the pattern.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to Identify Your Inner Critic Patterns</strong> Discover the four key signs that reveal when your inner critic is driving your reactions, including the specific language patterns and emotional triggers to watch for.

&nbsp;

<strong>The Connection Between Childhood Trauma and Parenting</strong> Understand how experiences that left you unable to express your authentic self safely create the inner critic voices that get triggered by your children's normal behavior.

&nbsp;

<strong>A 5-Step Practice You Can Use Today</strong> Get a concrete framework for noticing stories, adding the "magic words," getting curious about other possibilities, checking your body, and practicing self-compassion.

&nbsp;

<strong>How This Creates Space for Different Choices</strong> Learn how stepping back from your thoughts as absolute truth opens up new possibilities for responding to your child's behavior with curiosity instead of reactivity.

&nbsp;

<strong>Breaking Generational Cycles in Your Family</strong> Discover how using this technique not only changes your parenting but teaches your children emotional intelligence and conflict resolution skills they'll carry into adulthood.

&nbsp;

<strong>Reparenting Yourself Through Daily Interactions</strong> Understand how this simple practice becomes a form of reparenting yourself - giving yourself the patient, understanding voice you needed as a child but may not have received.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h3>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <em>Taming Your Triggers workshop</em> will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Printable PDF:</h3>
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:28 What’s packed into today’s episode

02:19 That voice in our heads that’s constantly judging us and makes parenting so much harder is called the inner critic

05:03 How can we identify this inner critic and separate it from what’s really happening? What triggers our inner critic?

06:44 You don’t have to believe everything you think

14:10 When we believe our thoughts completely, we only see one version of reality, but stepping back to recognize these as thoughts rather than facts opens up new possibilities for how we understand our children, partners, and ourselves as parents

15:32 What is reparenting?

17:31 Wrapping up]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/reparenting-yourself-inner-critic-trauma-cycle-magic-trick]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f2a0eb46-cc66-4400-adba-346a75ec5ba3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f2a0eb46-cc66-4400-adba-346a75ec5ba3.mp3" length="20911945" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/df2f0d91-341d-4228-91f5-a7395a75752b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 03: How to Stop Yelling as a Parent: Emotional Regulation Techniques That Work</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 03: How to Stop Yelling as a Parent: Emotional Regulation Techniques That Work</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Does your child's behavior sometimes trigger such an instant, overwhelming reaction that you find yourself yelling before you even realize what happened?

&nbsp;

That moment when your jaw clenches, your shoulders tense, and suddenly you're saying things you wish you could take back? You're experiencing what millions of parents face daily - a nervous system response that happens faster than conscious thought.

&nbsp;

This episode reveals the science behind why willpower alone isn't enough to stop yelling, and introduces you to specific, learnable skills that can transform how you respond to your child's most challenging moments.

&nbsp;

You'll discover what's actually happening in your body during those triggered moments, why suppressing your anger isn't the answer, and how your emotional responses are teaching your child crucial lessons about handling life's difficulties.

&nbsp;

Most importantly, you'll learn practical techniques that work in real parenting situations - not theoretical advice that falls apart when your preschooler has a meltdown in the grocery store.

&nbsp;

This summary episode makes all the research from several much longer episodes available for time-strapped parents.  If you want to learn more, these episodes will help:
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionregulation/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">056: Beyond “You’re OK!”: Modeling Emotion Regulation</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/regulatingemotions/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">082: Regulating emotions: What, When, &amp; How</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yelling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">129: The physical reasons you yell at your kids</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What is emotional regulation and why do parents struggle with it?</strong>

Emotional regulation is monitoring, evaluating, and modifying emotional reactions to accomplish your parenting goals. Parents struggle because stress triggers happen faster than rational thought.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I yell at my child even when I don't want to?</strong>

Your sympathetic nervous system floods your body with stress hormones before your rational brain registers what's happening, making yelling an automatic response.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the best emotional regulation techniques for parents?</strong>

Simple grounding techniques like conscious breathing, body awareness, and reappraisal strategies that work with your nervous system instead of against it.  <em>When</em> you use these techniques makes all the difference.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I stop yelling as a parent without suppressing my emotions?</strong>

Learn to acknowledge your emotions while using grounding techniques to create space between your automatic reaction and your chosen response.

&nbsp;

<strong>Does yelling at your child affect them long-term?</strong>

Yes, children learn emotional regulation by watching how you handle intense moments. Your responses teach them whether emotions are safe or dangerous.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I improve my emotional regulation as a busy parent?</strong>

Practice recognizing your body's early warning signals and use quick techniques like one conscious breath or muscle awareness throughout the day.  This will help your body to learn the skills when the stakes are lower, so they’ll be more accessible in the difficult moments.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
You'll discover the biological reason why "just stay calm" doesn't work and why your body reacts to parenting stress the same way it responds to actual danger.

&nbsp;

Learn to identify your personal early warning signals and how to use them as valuable information rather than problems to ignore.

&nbsp;

Master simple grounding techniques that take seconds, not minutes, including the power of one conscious breath and how touching different textures can bring you back to the present moment.

&nbsp;

You'll understand the difference between emotional suppression (which actually increases stress for both you and your child) and healthy emotional acknowledgment that models resilience.

&nbsp;

Explore the concept of reappraisal and discover how assuming positive intent can completely change your response.

&nbsp;

Learn why your strongest reactions often connect to your own childhood experiences and how recognizing these patterns can help you respond to what's actually happening right now.

&nbsp;

Finally, understand how your emotional regulation directly impacts your child's developing nervous system and why the work you do on yourself becomes one of the most powerful parenting tools you have.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h3>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <em><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/">Taming Your Triggers</a> workshop</em> will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:43 Introduction to today’s episode

04:21 What is emotion regulation?

05:16 Parenting triggers are situations that activate our stress response based on our own past experiences

06:31 The first step in developing more effective responses is learning to recognize your body's early warning signals

07:48 When you notice the early warning signs, this is where we can use what researchers call grounding techniques. Strategies that can bring your nervous system back into balance using tools like breathing, movement, or touch

13:07 Children learn about their own emotional responses in three main ways

16:16 When our children's actions spark intense reactions in us, we're usually responding to old wounds rather than what's happening in the moment

17:19 Other ways to practice emotion regulation in daily life

18:32 Wrapping up]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Does your child's behavior sometimes trigger such an instant, overwhelming reaction that you find yourself yelling before you even realize what happened?

&nbsp;

That moment when your jaw clenches, your shoulders tense, and suddenly you're saying things you wish you could take back? You're experiencing what millions of parents face daily - a nervous system response that happens faster than conscious thought.

&nbsp;

This episode reveals the science behind why willpower alone isn't enough to stop yelling, and introduces you to specific, learnable skills that can transform how you respond to your child's most challenging moments.

&nbsp;

You'll discover what's actually happening in your body during those triggered moments, why suppressing your anger isn't the answer, and how your emotional responses are teaching your child crucial lessons about handling life's difficulties.

&nbsp;

Most importantly, you'll learn practical techniques that work in real parenting situations - not theoretical advice that falls apart when your preschooler has a meltdown in the grocery store.

&nbsp;

This summary episode makes all the research from several much longer episodes available for time-strapped parents.  If you want to learn more, these episodes will help:
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionregulation/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">056: Beyond “You’re OK!”: Modeling Emotion Regulation</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/regulatingemotions/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">082: Regulating emotions: What, When, &amp; How</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yelling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">129: The physical reasons you yell at your kids</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What is emotional regulation and why do parents struggle with it?</strong>

Emotional regulation is monitoring, evaluating, and modifying emotional reactions to accomplish your parenting goals. Parents struggle because stress triggers happen faster than rational thought.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do I yell at my child even when I don't want to?</strong>

Your sympathetic nervous system floods your body with stress hormones before your rational brain registers what's happening, making yelling an automatic response.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the best emotional regulation techniques for parents?</strong>

Simple grounding techniques like conscious breathing, body awareness, and reappraisal strategies that work with your nervous system instead of against it.  <em>When</em> you use these techniques makes all the difference.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I stop yelling as a parent without suppressing my emotions?</strong>

Learn to acknowledge your emotions while using grounding techniques to create space between your automatic reaction and your chosen response.

&nbsp;

<strong>Does yelling at your child affect them long-term?</strong>

Yes, children learn emotional regulation by watching how you handle intense moments. Your responses teach them whether emotions are safe or dangerous.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I improve my emotional regulation as a busy parent?</strong>

Practice recognizing your body's early warning signals and use quick techniques like one conscious breath or muscle awareness throughout the day.  This will help your body to learn the skills when the stakes are lower, so they’ll be more accessible in the difficult moments.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
You'll discover the biological reason why "just stay calm" doesn't work and why your body reacts to parenting stress the same way it responds to actual danger.

&nbsp;

Learn to identify your personal early warning signals and how to use them as valuable information rather than problems to ignore.

&nbsp;

Master simple grounding techniques that take seconds, not minutes, including the power of one conscious breath and how touching different textures can bring you back to the present moment.

&nbsp;

You'll understand the difference between emotional suppression (which actually increases stress for both you and your child) and healthy emotional acknowledgment that models resilience.

&nbsp;

Explore the concept of reappraisal and discover how assuming positive intent can completely change your response.

&nbsp;

Learn why your strongest reactions often connect to your own childhood experiences and how recognizing these patterns can help you respond to what's actually happening right now.

&nbsp;

Finally, understand how your emotional regulation directly impacts your child's developing nervous system and why the work you do on yourself becomes one of the most powerful parenting tools you have.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h3>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <em><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/">Taming Your Triggers</a> workshop</em> will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:43 Introduction to today’s episode

04:21 What is emotion regulation?

05:16 Parenting triggers are situations that activate our stress response based on our own past experiences

06:31 The first step in developing more effective responses is learning to recognize your body's early warning signals

07:48 When you notice the early warning signs, this is where we can use what researchers call grounding techniques. Strategies that can bring your nervous system back into balance using tools like breathing, movement, or touch

13:07 Children learn about their own emotional responses in three main ways

16:16 When our children's actions spark intense reactions in us, we're usually responding to old wounds rather than what's happening in the moment

17:19 Other ways to practice emotion regulation in daily life

18:32 Wrapping up]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/emotional-regulation-skills-parents-stop-yelling]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ec0a595a-4d34-46e9-8cac-5874ee533002</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ec0a595a-4d34-46e9-8cac-5874ee533002.mp3" length="19015753" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>19:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8016a085-c2ac-47bd-9ab8-1f6594682c2f/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>254: What is FAFO Parenting? The 9 Most Important Things Parents Should Know</title><itunes:title>254: What is FAFO Parenting? The 9 Most Important Things Parents Should Know</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[If you've been scrolling TikTok or parenting forums lately, you've probably encountered FAFO parenting - the trending approach that's being positioned as the antidote to ‘overly permissive’ gentle parenting. Standing for ‘F*** Around and Find Out,’ this parenting style centers on letting children experience harsh consequences without parental intervention, even when parents could easily prevent those consequences.

&nbsp;

But is FAFO parenting actually effective, or does it create more problems than it solves? In this comprehensive episode, we explore what FAFO parenting really looks like in practice, examine the research behind popular parenting approaches, and uncover why both FAFO and traditional gentle parenting often miss the mark.

&nbsp;

Most importantly, we'll discover collaborative alternatives that meet both children's developmental needs and parents' legitimate needs - without the exhaustion of scripted responses or the relationship damage of harsh consequences.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What does FAFO parenting actually mean?</strong>

FAFO stands for "F*** Around and Find Out" - an approach where parents let children experience unpleasant consequences without intervention, believing this teaches better decision-making.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are real examples of FAFO parenting in action?</strong>

Examples include letting a child walk home in the rain without a coat, throwing away toys left on the floor, and making children buy their own underwear after accidents.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why is FAFO parenting gaining popularity among parents?</strong>

Parents exhausted by gentle parenting scripts and constant negotiation are attracted to FAFO's apparent simplicity and the promise of teaching children through direct consequences.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's the difference between consequences and punishments in parenting?</strong>

Authentic consequences happen naturally (getting cold without a jacket), while punishments are artificially created by parents (throwing away toys, withholding food, or requiring that kids replace underwear they’ve soiled).

&nbsp;

<strong>Does gentle parenting actually create "soft" children?</strong>

Research doesn't support this claim. Most of what's called "gentle parenting" online is actually scripted control, and a fear of children’s big feelings, not truly responsive parenting.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why might children lie more when parents use FAFO approaches?</strong>

When honesty consistently leads to harsh consequences parents could prevent, children learn that hiding problems is safer than seeking help.

&nbsp;

<strong>What really causes behavioral challenges in today's children?</strong>

Multiple factors including increased academic pressure, reduced recess, economic stress, social media impact, and less community support - not parenting styles alone (or screen time alone either!).

&nbsp;

<strong>Is authoritative parenting really the "gold standard" research proves?</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/">The original authoritative parenting research included spanking and only compared four control-based approaches</a>, missing collaborative alternatives that work even better.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>The hidden problems with FAFO parenting that can damage parent-child relationships</strong>: Discover how this approach can increase lying, reduce trust, and position parents as adversaries rather than allies in their children's development.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why most "gentle parenting" isn't actually gentle</strong>: Learn how scripted validation and sweetener offers are really just "control with lipstick," and why this approach exhausts parents without meeting children's real needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>The real reasons behind children's challenging behaviors</strong>: Understand the complex factors affecting today's kids, from school pressure to reduced community support, and why behavior is often communication about unmet needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to move beyond the false choice between "tough" and "soft" parenting</strong>: Explore collaborative approaches that set effective boundaries while maintaining connection, using curiosity about underlying needs rather than reactive consequences.

&nbsp;

<strong>Alternatives that work better than both FAFO and scripted gentle parenting</strong>: Discover practical tools for meeting both parents' and children's psychological needs through creative problem-solving.

&nbsp;

<strong>How your parenting approach shapes the culture your family creates</strong>: Learn why the methods you choose today influence not just compliance, but the kind of adults your children become and the world they'll help create.

&nbsp;

Ready to move beyond the parenting extremes and discover what actually builds cooperation, trust, and resilience in children? Listen now to transform your approach from managing behavior to building relationships that last.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatiwishidknown/">183: What I wish I'd known about parenting</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/">154: Authoritative isn't the best parenting style</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:23 Introduction of today’s podcast

02:33 What FAFO parenting looks like

06:07 FAFO parenting confuses punishment with consequences

10:33 FAFO parenting may damage the parent-child relationship

11:53 Research shows us that children thrive when they have a secure relationship with their caregivers

15:55 What people actually mean when they say ‘gentle parenting’?

22:39 The real reasons behind kids' behavior challenges that FAFO parenting misses

27:52 FAFO parenting often encourages children to lie and hide mistakes rather than being honest, since telling the truth leads to unpleasant consequences

32:33 FAFO parenting sees stopping undesirable behavior as more important than understanding it

47:39 FAFO parenting skips over the possibility of meeting both people's needs. It assumes that when there's a conflict, someone has to lose and usually that someone is the child

51:27 An open invitation for Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

52:51 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">The Cut article: Petrow, J. (2023, March 22). Is gentle parenting effective? <em>The Cut</em>. <a class="underline" href="https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/is-gentle-parenting-effective.html">https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/is-gentle-parenting-effective.html</a></p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">New York Times article: Blinder, A. (2015, April 1). Atlanta educators convicted in school cheating scandal. <em>The New York Times</em>. <a class="underline" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/us/verdict-reached-in-atlanta-school-testing-trial.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/us/verdict-reached-in-atlanta-school-testing-trial.html</a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[If you've been scrolling TikTok or parenting forums lately, you've probably encountered FAFO parenting - the trending approach that's being positioned as the antidote to ‘overly permissive’ gentle parenting. Standing for ‘F*** Around and Find Out,’ this parenting style centers on letting children experience harsh consequences without parental intervention, even when parents could easily prevent those consequences.

&nbsp;

But is FAFO parenting actually effective, or does it create more problems than it solves? In this comprehensive episode, we explore what FAFO parenting really looks like in practice, examine the research behind popular parenting approaches, and uncover why both FAFO and traditional gentle parenting often miss the mark.

&nbsp;

Most importantly, we'll discover collaborative alternatives that meet both children's developmental needs and parents' legitimate needs - without the exhaustion of scripted responses or the relationship damage of harsh consequences.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What does FAFO parenting actually mean?</strong>

FAFO stands for "F*** Around and Find Out" - an approach where parents let children experience unpleasant consequences without intervention, believing this teaches better decision-making.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are real examples of FAFO parenting in action?</strong>

Examples include letting a child walk home in the rain without a coat, throwing away toys left on the floor, and making children buy their own underwear after accidents.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why is FAFO parenting gaining popularity among parents?</strong>

Parents exhausted by gentle parenting scripts and constant negotiation are attracted to FAFO's apparent simplicity and the promise of teaching children through direct consequences.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's the difference between consequences and punishments in parenting?</strong>

Authentic consequences happen naturally (getting cold without a jacket), while punishments are artificially created by parents (throwing away toys, withholding food, or requiring that kids replace underwear they’ve soiled).

&nbsp;

<strong>Does gentle parenting actually create "soft" children?</strong>

Research doesn't support this claim. Most of what's called "gentle parenting" online is actually scripted control, and a fear of children’s big feelings, not truly responsive parenting.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why might children lie more when parents use FAFO approaches?</strong>

When honesty consistently leads to harsh consequences parents could prevent, children learn that hiding problems is safer than seeking help.

&nbsp;

<strong>What really causes behavioral challenges in today's children?</strong>

Multiple factors including increased academic pressure, reduced recess, economic stress, social media impact, and less community support - not parenting styles alone (or screen time alone either!).

&nbsp;

<strong>Is authoritative parenting really the "gold standard" research proves?</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/">The original authoritative parenting research included spanking and only compared four control-based approaches</a>, missing collaborative alternatives that work even better.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>The hidden problems with FAFO parenting that can damage parent-child relationships</strong>: Discover how this approach can increase lying, reduce trust, and position parents as adversaries rather than allies in their children's development.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why most "gentle parenting" isn't actually gentle</strong>: Learn how scripted validation and sweetener offers are really just "control with lipstick," and why this approach exhausts parents without meeting children's real needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>The real reasons behind children's challenging behaviors</strong>: Understand the complex factors affecting today's kids, from school pressure to reduced community support, and why behavior is often communication about unmet needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to move beyond the false choice between "tough" and "soft" parenting</strong>: Explore collaborative approaches that set effective boundaries while maintaining connection, using curiosity about underlying needs rather than reactive consequences.

&nbsp;

<strong>Alternatives that work better than both FAFO and scripted gentle parenting</strong>: Discover practical tools for meeting both parents' and children's psychological needs through creative problem-solving.

&nbsp;

<strong>How your parenting approach shapes the culture your family creates</strong>: Learn why the methods you choose today influence not just compliance, but the kind of adults your children become and the world they'll help create.

&nbsp;

Ready to move beyond the parenting extremes and discover what actually builds cooperation, trust, and resilience in children? Listen now to transform your approach from managing behavior to building relationships that last.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatiwishidknown/">183: What I wish I'd known about parenting</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/">154: Authoritative isn't the best parenting style</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:23 Introduction of today’s podcast

02:33 What FAFO parenting looks like

06:07 FAFO parenting confuses punishment with consequences

10:33 FAFO parenting may damage the parent-child relationship

11:53 Research shows us that children thrive when they have a secure relationship with their caregivers

15:55 What people actually mean when they say ‘gentle parenting’?

22:39 The real reasons behind kids' behavior challenges that FAFO parenting misses

27:52 FAFO parenting often encourages children to lie and hide mistakes rather than being honest, since telling the truth leads to unpleasant consequences

32:33 FAFO parenting sees stopping undesirable behavior as more important than understanding it

47:39 FAFO parenting skips over the possibility of meeting both people's needs. It assumes that when there's a conflict, someone has to lose and usually that someone is the child

51:27 An open invitation for Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

52:51 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">The Cut article: Petrow, J. (2023, March 22). Is gentle parenting effective? <em>The Cut</em>. <a class="underline" href="https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/is-gentle-parenting-effective.html">https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/is-gentle-parenting-effective.html</a></p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">New York Times article: Blinder, A. (2015, April 1). Atlanta educators convicted in school cheating scandal. <em>The New York Times</em>. <a class="underline" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/us/verdict-reached-in-atlanta-school-testing-trial.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/us/verdict-reached-in-atlanta-school-testing-trial.html</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/what-is-fafo-parenting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c41e1019-887f-471b-96b6-6f36881bb8d4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/c41e1019-887f-471b-96b6-6f36881bb8d4.mp3" length="58773596" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>254</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>254</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/166d7c9c-6542-4927-8901-dfa39d4a7bc5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>253: How to Do Homeschooling: A Former Teacher Explores Unschooling</title><itunes:title>253: How to Do Homeschooling: A Former Teacher Explores Unschooling</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Ever wondered about alternative paths to educate your child outside the traditional school system? My guest today is Laura Moore, who spent 15 years in early childhood education - and who is now exploring homeschooling alternatives, including unschooling, for her own child.

&nbsp;

As a teacher and mother of a 3.5-year-old, Laura brings a unique insider perspective to the education debate. She opens up about witnessing the limitations of the current school system, the pressure children face to conform to rigid schedules, and why she's questioning whether traditional schooling truly serves our children's best interests.

&nbsp;

You'll hear a raw, honest conversation between two parents grappling with real concerns about education choices. Laura shares her genuine questions about balancing work with alternative education, handling judgment from others, and whether children can truly thrive outside the conventional system. Her curiosity about unschooling leads to fascinating insights about child-led learning, maintaining boundaries while honoring children's natural rhythms, and creating educational experiences that preserve rather than diminish curiosity.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>What is unschooling and how does it work?</li><li>How is unschooling different from homeschooling?</li><li>Can you homeschool while working full time?</li><li>What are the pros and cons of homeschooling?</li><li>How to get started with homeschooling?</li><li>Is homeschooling better than traditional education?</li><li>What are the advantages of homeschooling?</li><li>What's wrong with the traditional education system?</li><li>How do you handle judgment about homeschooling decisions?</li><li>Do homeschooled children get into college?</li><li>How do homeschooled children get socialization?</li><li>What's the role of parents in unschooling?</li><li>How do you balance work and alternative education as a family?</li><li>What happens to children's natural curiosity in traditional school?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>The insider perspective on traditional education's limitations:</strong> Hear firsthand from a teacher about the systemic issues affecting children's learning and wellbeing in conventional schools, including the impact of rigid scheduling and underfunding.

&nbsp;

<strong>How unschooling preserves children's natural curiosity:</strong> Discover why traditional schooling often kills children's innate desire to learn and how alternative approaches can maintain and nurture this crucial trait throughout childhood.

&nbsp;

<strong>Practical strategies for balancing work and alternative education:</strong> Learn how to homeschool while working full time, including realistic approaches for working parents, flexible scheduling, community programs, and family support systems.

&nbsp;

<strong>Discover the advantages and disadvantages of homeschooling:</strong> Get a comprehensive overview of homeschooling pros and cons compared to traditional education, and develop a practical homeschooling plan for families considering alternatives.

&nbsp;

<strong>The truth about socialization in homeschooling:</strong> Understand how homeschooled children actually develop social skills and why the diversity of real-world interactions often surpasses traditional classroom socialization.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to handle family and social pressure about education choices:</strong> Get specific strategies for responding to criticism and judgment while staying true to your family's values and educational philosophy.

&nbsp;

<strong>Real examples of learning without formal curriculum:</strong> See how everyday activities like volunteering at animal shelters, helping with household tasks, and following natural interests create rich learning opportunities.

&nbsp;

<strong>The college and career reality for unschooled children:</strong> Learn about the actual pathways to higher education and career success for children educated outside the traditional system, including inspiring real-world examples.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to trust your child's learning process:</strong> Understand the mindset shift required to move from controlling education to supporting natural learning, including how to recognize learning that doesn't look like traditional schoolwork.

&nbsp;

<strong>Setting healthy boundaries while honoring children's needs:</strong> Discover how to maintain structure and meet practical requirements while respecting children's capacity, interests, and natural rhythms.

&nbsp;
<h2>FAQ</h2>
<strong>How do you maintain structure without being too rigid like schools?</strong>

Find a balance between saying yes to everything and having super rigid boundaries. You can maintain routine and predictability while still respecting what children want to do and what their bodies are telling them. This means having some structure so children know what's coming next, but staying flexible enough to honor their natural rhythms and genuine needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my child isn't meeting traditional grade-level expectations?</strong>

Children learn most effectively when they're genuinely interested and ready. A 10-year-old learned multiplication tables up to 9x9 in just one week using a satisfying toy button, after years of traditional teaching methods hadn't worked. When children are truly ready and interested, they absorb information quickly and naturally without the lengthy "drip feeding" that forced instruction often requires.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you deal with judgment from family and friends?</strong>

Your approach should depend on your relationship with the person. For close family members who you see regularly, have honest conversations about their concerns - they likely want what's best for your child and may have fears about nontraditional paths. For casual acquaintances or strangers, you don't need to justify your choices. Remember that others' strong opinions often reflect their own fears and unmet needs rather than real concerns about your situation.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can homeschooled kids really get into college?</strong>

Yes, through several pathways: community college (which provides official transcripts and teacher recommendations), standardized testing at designated centers, or parent-created transcripts. Homeschooled students often excel in college because they maintain their natural curiosity and genuine interest in learning, rather than just asking "what do I need to do to get an A?" They're more likely to approach professors with genuine questions about research and exploration.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do working parents make homeschooling work practically?</strong>

Many arrangements work successfully. The only scenario that typically doesn't work is when all parents must be out of the house full-time with no alternative childcare. Successful arrangements include: parents with alternating work schedules, part-time not-school programs, family exchanges (watching each other's children on different days), flexible work-from-home arrangements, and children participating in parents' businesses when age-appropriate.

&nbsp;

<strong>What about socialization - won't my child miss out?</strong>

Homeschooled children often experience more diverse and authentic social interactions than traditional school provides. Even in supposedly diverse schools, children often segregate by race and academic track. Homeschool communities and not-school programs typically offer more adult support for navigating social situations, encourage cross-age friendships, and foster more genuine connections without the artificial social pressures common in traditional school environments.

&nbsp;

<strong>Do I need to know everything my child needs to learn?</strong>

No. Learning happens naturally through everyday experiences and genuine interest. When children are motivated by real goals, they can learn remarkably quickly - one parent learned all the math needed for university entrance exams in just six months when she was ready and motivated. Children naturally learn what they need when they need it, often much more efficiently than premature, forced instruction provides.

&nbsp;
<h2>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</h2>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

Just like Laura discovered, learning happens everywhere - in everyday conversations, through helping with household tasks, during visits to museums, and in those spontaneous moments when your child asks "why?".

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>Learning Membership </strong></a>gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled. You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it. Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

We'll get you...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Ever wondered about alternative paths to educate your child outside the traditional school system? My guest today is Laura Moore, who spent 15 years in early childhood education - and who is now exploring homeschooling alternatives, including unschooling, for her own child.

&nbsp;

As a teacher and mother of a 3.5-year-old, Laura brings a unique insider perspective to the education debate. She opens up about witnessing the limitations of the current school system, the pressure children face to conform to rigid schedules, and why she's questioning whether traditional schooling truly serves our children's best interests.

&nbsp;

You'll hear a raw, honest conversation between two parents grappling with real concerns about education choices. Laura shares her genuine questions about balancing work with alternative education, handling judgment from others, and whether children can truly thrive outside the conventional system. Her curiosity about unschooling leads to fascinating insights about child-led learning, maintaining boundaries while honoring children's natural rhythms, and creating educational experiences that preserve rather than diminish curiosity.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>What is unschooling and how does it work?</li><li>How is unschooling different from homeschooling?</li><li>Can you homeschool while working full time?</li><li>What are the pros and cons of homeschooling?</li><li>How to get started with homeschooling?</li><li>Is homeschooling better than traditional education?</li><li>What are the advantages of homeschooling?</li><li>What's wrong with the traditional education system?</li><li>How do you handle judgment about homeschooling decisions?</li><li>Do homeschooled children get into college?</li><li>How do homeschooled children get socialization?</li><li>What's the role of parents in unschooling?</li><li>How do you balance work and alternative education as a family?</li><li>What happens to children's natural curiosity in traditional school?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>The insider perspective on traditional education's limitations:</strong> Hear firsthand from a teacher about the systemic issues affecting children's learning and wellbeing in conventional schools, including the impact of rigid scheduling and underfunding.

&nbsp;

<strong>How unschooling preserves children's natural curiosity:</strong> Discover why traditional schooling often kills children's innate desire to learn and how alternative approaches can maintain and nurture this crucial trait throughout childhood.

&nbsp;

<strong>Practical strategies for balancing work and alternative education:</strong> Learn how to homeschool while working full time, including realistic approaches for working parents, flexible scheduling, community programs, and family support systems.

&nbsp;

<strong>Discover the advantages and disadvantages of homeschooling:</strong> Get a comprehensive overview of homeschooling pros and cons compared to traditional education, and develop a practical homeschooling plan for families considering alternatives.

&nbsp;

<strong>The truth about socialization in homeschooling:</strong> Understand how homeschooled children actually develop social skills and why the diversity of real-world interactions often surpasses traditional classroom socialization.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to handle family and social pressure about education choices:</strong> Get specific strategies for responding to criticism and judgment while staying true to your family's values and educational philosophy.

&nbsp;

<strong>Real examples of learning without formal curriculum:</strong> See how everyday activities like volunteering at animal shelters, helping with household tasks, and following natural interests create rich learning opportunities.

&nbsp;

<strong>The college and career reality for unschooled children:</strong> Learn about the actual pathways to higher education and career success for children educated outside the traditional system, including inspiring real-world examples.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to trust your child's learning process:</strong> Understand the mindset shift required to move from controlling education to supporting natural learning, including how to recognize learning that doesn't look like traditional schoolwork.

&nbsp;

<strong>Setting healthy boundaries while honoring children's needs:</strong> Discover how to maintain structure and meet practical requirements while respecting children's capacity, interests, and natural rhythms.

&nbsp;
<h2>FAQ</h2>
<strong>How do you maintain structure without being too rigid like schools?</strong>

Find a balance between saying yes to everything and having super rigid boundaries. You can maintain routine and predictability while still respecting what children want to do and what their bodies are telling them. This means having some structure so children know what's coming next, but staying flexible enough to honor their natural rhythms and genuine needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my child isn't meeting traditional grade-level expectations?</strong>

Children learn most effectively when they're genuinely interested and ready. A 10-year-old learned multiplication tables up to 9x9 in just one week using a satisfying toy button, after years of traditional teaching methods hadn't worked. When children are truly ready and interested, they absorb information quickly and naturally without the lengthy "drip feeding" that forced instruction often requires.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you deal with judgment from family and friends?</strong>

Your approach should depend on your relationship with the person. For close family members who you see regularly, have honest conversations about their concerns - they likely want what's best for your child and may have fears about nontraditional paths. For casual acquaintances or strangers, you don't need to justify your choices. Remember that others' strong opinions often reflect their own fears and unmet needs rather than real concerns about your situation.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can homeschooled kids really get into college?</strong>

Yes, through several pathways: community college (which provides official transcripts and teacher recommendations), standardized testing at designated centers, or parent-created transcripts. Homeschooled students often excel in college because they maintain their natural curiosity and genuine interest in learning, rather than just asking "what do I need to do to get an A?" They're more likely to approach professors with genuine questions about research and exploration.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do working parents make homeschooling work practically?</strong>

Many arrangements work successfully. The only scenario that typically doesn't work is when all parents must be out of the house full-time with no alternative childcare. Successful arrangements include: parents with alternating work schedules, part-time not-school programs, family exchanges (watching each other's children on different days), flexible work-from-home arrangements, and children participating in parents' businesses when age-appropriate.

&nbsp;

<strong>What about socialization - won't my child miss out?</strong>

Homeschooled children often experience more diverse and authentic social interactions than traditional school provides. Even in supposedly diverse schools, children often segregate by race and academic track. Homeschool communities and not-school programs typically offer more adult support for navigating social situations, encourage cross-age friendships, and foster more genuine connections without the artificial social pressures common in traditional school environments.

&nbsp;

<strong>Do I need to know everything my child needs to learn?</strong>

No. Learning happens naturally through everyday experiences and genuine interest. When children are motivated by real goals, they can learn remarkably quickly - one parent learned all the math needed for university entrance exams in just six months when she was ready and motivated. Children naturally learn what they need when they need it, often much more efficiently than premature, forced instruction provides.

&nbsp;
<h2>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</h2>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

Just like Laura discovered, learning happens everywhere - in everyday conversations, through helping with household tasks, during visits to museums, and in those spontaneous moments when your child asks "why?".

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>Learning Membership </strong></a>gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled. You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it. Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

We'll get you notified when doors reopen. Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/equitableoutcomes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">221: How to advocate for the schools our children deserve</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:09 Introduction of today’s episode and guest

08:53 Laura feels a little bit uncertain about where the education system is going in the UK, but from her colleagues, who she knows across the world, it is a relatively universal thing, where the education system is not serving children as well as it could

18:54 We can step out of curriculum pressure by remembering that learning happens everywhere. Kids will be ahead in some areas, behind in others, and that's okay

29:43 When we model honoring our boundaries and needs, we teach our children that they can do the same. This creates powerful learning about mutual respect. Moving away from rigid school schedules allows both parent and child to follow their body's rhythms

41:59 While childcare coverage matters more when children are younger, older kids become more self-sufficient. Older age kids can direct their own time, but in the younger age range, having regular places to go can be helpful for families

55:25 Laura believes in learning through play and child-led learning. Children lose their joy when forced to learn things they don't care about. She’d follow her child’s curiosities and interests while gently introducing essentials the child might need, honoring her child’s way of exploring the world

01:01:01 You don’t have to justify when someone asks why your child isn’t at school at 10 o’clock on a Wednesday morning when you’re doing homeschooling

01:09:58 Wrapping up the discussion]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/what-is-unschooling-guide-homeschooling-vs-traditional-education]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2b7d13f4-fbc3-49d4-93ab-a13f0c7b6681</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2b7d13f4-fbc3-49d4-93ab-a13f0c7b6681.mp3" length="69386761" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:12:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>253</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>253</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d57620be-d9f6-4ec0-8562-92407a506880/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>252: From ‘Be the Best’ Anxiety to Trusting Your Child’s Natural Learning</title><itunes:title>252: From ‘Be the Best’ Anxiety to Trusting Your Child’s Natural Learning</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When Sara's four-year-old son started asking permission to use art supplies he'd always freely accessed before, she knew something had shifted. After a year in a (loving, high-quality!) preschool, her previously autonomous child was suddenly seeking approval for things that had never required it. Sara had never required this at home, and in fact it worried her because it didn't fit with her values to treat her son as a whole person.

&nbsp;

If this shift was happening so obviously at home, what other changes might be occurring that she couldn't see yet - changes that might not align with what mattered most to her family?

&nbsp;

Sara wished she could homeschool, but knew it wasn't in the cards. Seeing the shift in her son showed her that once her son started formal school, <em>she</em> was going to be the one who helped him to stay connected to learning that wasn't just based on rote memorization.

&nbsp;

But how would she do this, when she wasn't a teacher?

&nbsp;

In this conversation, Sara shares how she learned to step back from teaching and instead scaffold her son's innate curiosity about everything from astronauts to construction vehicles. As an architect and immigrant parent navigating cultural pressures around achievement, Sara's story reveals how supporting your child's interests rather than directing their learning can transform both your relationship and their confidence as a learner.

&nbsp;

Whether you're working full-time, in school, homeschooling, or simply wondering how to nurture your child's curiosity without taking over, Sara's practical examples show that interest-based learning doesn't have to add a lot of work to busy family life. It becomes an organic part of how you connect and explore the world together.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>What does interest-based learning look like in real family life?</li><li>How can parents support learning without taking over their child's exploration?</li><li>What is scaffolding in education and how do you do it effectively?</li><li>How do you identify and follow your child's genuine interests?</li><li>What are learning explorations and how do they differ from traditional teaching?</li><li>How can working parents implement interest-led learning with limited time?</li><li>What role should documentation play in supporting children's learning?</li><li>How do you overcome perfectionism when supporting your child's education?</li><li>What does "following the child" mean in practice?</li><li>How can parents build their child's creative problem-solving skills?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
You'll discover practical strategies for supporting your child's innate curiosity without turning into the teacher. Sara shares specific examples of learning explorations around space and construction vehicles that show how to scaffold learning by asking questions instead of providing answers.

&nbsp;

You'll learn to recognize when your child is truly engaged versus when you've taken over their exploration. The episode reveals how small shifts in language - things like pausing and saying: "Hmmm…I wonder?" instead of immediately explaining - can transform everyday moments into meaningful learning opportunities.

&nbsp;

This simple shift transitions the responsibility for learning from you back to your child, and invites them to consider how their current question fits with what they already know.

&nbsp;

It also establishes a habit of what we do when we have questions: we don't simply jump to Google or ChatGPT; we first work to understand whether we might actually already have the answer (or something close to it) ourselves. This protects our kids against the stupidification that research warns us is happening now that we can turn to AI to answer our every question.

&nbsp;

Sara's journey from perfectionist parent (her parents' motto when she was a child: "Be The Best!") to confident learning supporter demonstrates how to observe your child's interests, provide just enough support without overwhelming them, and trust their inherent learning process. You'll understand why creative problem-solving and metacognition matter more than traditional academics for young children.

&nbsp;

The conversation addresses common concerns about balancing alternative learning approaches with mainstream schooling, handling cultural pressures around achievement, and fitting interest-led learning into busy working parent schedules.

&nbsp;
<h2>FAQ</h2>
<strong>What is interest-based learning and how is it different from traditional teaching?</strong> Interest-based learning starts with your child's genuine curiosity rather than a predetermined curriculum. Instead of teaching facts, you support your child's exploration by asking questions, providing resources, and creating opportunities for discovery. Sara's space exploration example shows how this leads to deeper engagement than traditional instruction.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you scaffold children's learning without taking over?</strong> Scaffolding means providing just enough support for your child to succeed independently. This includes asking "I wonder" questions, offering resources like books or field trips, and connecting them with experts, but always following their interest level. The key is stepping back when they're engaged and only stepping in when they need specific information to continue.

&nbsp;

<strong>What does "following the child" mean in practice?</strong> “Following the child” means observing what genuinely interests them through their play and questions, then providing opportunities to explore those interests more deeply. It's recognizing your child as a complete person with their own drive to learn, rather than someone who needs constant direction from adults.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are learning explorations and how do you start them?</strong> Learning explorations begin with your child's question or interest. Your role is to avoid giving immediate answers and instead ask follow-up questions or suggest ways to investigate together. The goal is the process of discovery, not reaching a specific conclusion or "correct" answer.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can working parents implement interest-led learning?</strong> Interest-led learning happens naturally in daily life during car rides, grocery shopping, or weekend activities. Once you understand your supportive role, it becomes effortless rather than an additional task. The key is shifting from teaching mode to curious companion mode in everyday interactions.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why is creative problem-solving more important than traditional academics?</strong> Creative problem-solving and metacognition (thinking about thinking) are foundational skills that support all other learning. When children develop these abilities through interest-led exploration, they become confident learners who can tackle any subject with curiosity and persistence.  Most of what is taught in school is <em>content, </em>which is now easily accessible at the push of a button.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you overcome perfectionism when supporting your child's learning?</strong> Begin by noticing where perfectionism came from in you: most likely in response to a reward (praise when you complied) or punishment (threatened or actual withdrawal of approval/love) for performance.  Recognize that your child's learning process is naturally iterative. They observe patterns, theorize, and correct themselves over time. Trust their innate drive to understand the world. Focus on the exploration process rather than achieving perfect outcomes or answers.

&nbsp;

<strong>What is the main purpose of documentation in learning?</strong> Documentation captures your child's learning journey so they can revisit and build upon their discoveries over time. It also helps you to feel more confident as a learning partner, because you’ll see how your own ability to support your child grows over time.  It's not about perfect record-keeping but creating a resource for your child to see their own thinking and growth patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do you balance alternative learning with mainstream school expectations?</strong> You can support interest-led learning at home while your child attends traditional school. Focus on afternoons, evenings, and weekends as opportunities to follow their curiosity.  It doesn’t have to take additional time: Sara’s son often uses the time in the car on their way to school to notice what’s happening in their town and make hypotheses about what’s happening. This approach helps build a more well-rounded approach to learning than the content-heavy focus children will follow in school.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if I don't know anything about my child's area of interest?</strong> Not knowing about the topic is actually an advantage because it removes the temptation to teach! You become a fellow explorer, helping them find resources and asking genuine questions. This creates a more engaging dynamic than having an ‘expert’ parent lecture about the subject.

&nbsp;
<h3>Ready to Support Your Child's Learning Like Sara?</h3>
Sara's transformation from perfectionist parent to confident learning supporter didn't happen overnight. But it started with understanding how learning really works and her role in supporting it.

&nbsp;

If you're inspired by Sara's journey and want to develop the same confidence in supporting your child's natural curiosity, the <strong>Learning Membership</strong> gives you everything you need to get started.

&nbsp;

<strong>Inside the membership, you'll learn to:</strong>
<ul><li>Identify your child's genuine interests (not just the random ones they announce when you ask: “What do you want to learn about?”);</li><li>Scaffold their learning by asking the right questions instead of providing answers;</li><li>Turn everyday...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When Sara's four-year-old son started asking permission to use art supplies he'd always freely accessed before, she knew something had shifted. After a year in a (loving, high-quality!) preschool, her previously autonomous child was suddenly seeking approval for things that had never required it. Sara had never required this at home, and in fact it worried her because it didn't fit with her values to treat her son as a whole person.

&nbsp;

If this shift was happening so obviously at home, what other changes might be occurring that she couldn't see yet - changes that might not align with what mattered most to her family?

&nbsp;

Sara wished she could homeschool, but knew it wasn't in the cards. Seeing the shift in her son showed her that once her son started formal school, <em>she</em> was going to be the one who helped him to stay connected to learning that wasn't just based on rote memorization.

&nbsp;

But how would she do this, when she wasn't a teacher?

&nbsp;

In this conversation, Sara shares how she learned to step back from teaching and instead scaffold her son's innate curiosity about everything from astronauts to construction vehicles. As an architect and immigrant parent navigating cultural pressures around achievement, Sara's story reveals how supporting your child's interests rather than directing their learning can transform both your relationship and their confidence as a learner.

&nbsp;

Whether you're working full-time, in school, homeschooling, or simply wondering how to nurture your child's curiosity without taking over, Sara's practical examples show that interest-based learning doesn't have to add a lot of work to busy family life. It becomes an organic part of how you connect and explore the world together.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>What does interest-based learning look like in real family life?</li><li>How can parents support learning without taking over their child's exploration?</li><li>What is scaffolding in education and how do you do it effectively?</li><li>How do you identify and follow your child's genuine interests?</li><li>What are learning explorations and how do they differ from traditional teaching?</li><li>How can working parents implement interest-led learning with limited time?</li><li>What role should documentation play in supporting children's learning?</li><li>How do you overcome perfectionism when supporting your child's education?</li><li>What does "following the child" mean in practice?</li><li>How can parents build their child's creative problem-solving skills?</li></ul><br/>
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<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
You'll discover practical strategies for supporting your child's innate curiosity without turning into the teacher. Sara shares specific examples of learning explorations around space and construction vehicles that show how to scaffold learning by asking questions instead of providing answers.

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You'll learn to recognize when your child is truly engaged versus when you've taken over their exploration. The episode reveals how small shifts in language - things like pausing and saying: "Hmmm…I wonder?" instead of immediately explaining - can transform everyday moments into meaningful learning opportunities.

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This simple shift transitions the responsibility for learning from you back to your child, and invites them to consider how their current question fits with what they already know.

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It also establishes a habit of what we do when we have questions: we don't simply jump to Google or ChatGPT; we first work to understand whether we might actually already have the answer (or something close to it) ourselves. This protects our kids against the stupidification that research warns us is happening now that we can turn to AI to answer our every question.

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Sara's journey from perfectionist parent (her parents' motto when she was a child: "Be The Best!") to confident learning supporter demonstrates how to observe your child's interests, provide just enough support without overwhelming them, and trust their inherent learning process. You'll understand why creative problem-solving and metacognition matter more than traditional academics for young children.

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The conversation addresses common concerns about balancing alternative learning approaches with mainstream schooling, handling cultural pressures around achievement, and fitting interest-led learning into busy working parent schedules.

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<h2>FAQ</h2>
<strong>What is interest-based learning and how is it different from traditional teaching?</strong> Interest-based learning starts with your child's genuine curiosity rather than a predetermined curriculum. Instead of teaching facts, you support your child's exploration by asking questions, providing resources, and creating opportunities for discovery. Sara's space exploration example shows how this leads to deeper engagement than traditional instruction.

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<strong>How do you scaffold children's learning without taking over?</strong> Scaffolding means providing just enough support for your child to succeed independently. This includes asking "I wonder" questions, offering resources like books or field trips, and connecting them with experts, but always following their interest level. The key is stepping back when they're engaged and only stepping in when they need specific information to continue.

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<strong>What does "following the child" mean in practice?</strong> “Following the child” means observing what genuinely interests them through their play and questions, then providing opportunities to explore those interests more deeply. It's recognizing your child as a complete person with their own drive to learn, rather than someone who needs constant direction from adults.

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<strong>What are learning explorations and how do you start them?</strong> Learning explorations begin with your child's question or interest. Your role is to avoid giving immediate answers and instead ask follow-up questions or suggest ways to investigate together. The goal is the process of discovery, not reaching a specific conclusion or "correct" answer.

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<strong>How can working parents implement interest-led learning?</strong> Interest-led learning happens naturally in daily life during car rides, grocery shopping, or weekend activities. Once you understand your supportive role, it becomes effortless rather than an additional task. The key is shifting from teaching mode to curious companion mode in everyday interactions.

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<strong>Why is creative problem-solving more important than traditional academics?</strong> Creative problem-solving and metacognition (thinking about thinking) are foundational skills that support all other learning. When children develop these abilities through interest-led exploration, they become confident learners who can tackle any subject with curiosity and persistence.  Most of what is taught in school is <em>content, </em>which is now easily accessible at the push of a button.

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<strong>How do you overcome perfectionism when supporting your child's learning?</strong> Begin by noticing where perfectionism came from in you: most likely in response to a reward (praise when you complied) or punishment (threatened or actual withdrawal of approval/love) for performance.  Recognize that your child's learning process is naturally iterative. They observe patterns, theorize, and correct themselves over time. Trust their innate drive to understand the world. Focus on the exploration process rather than achieving perfect outcomes or answers.

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<strong>What is the main purpose of documentation in learning?</strong> Documentation captures your child's learning journey so they can revisit and build upon their discoveries over time. It also helps you to feel more confident as a learning partner, because you’ll see how your own ability to support your child grows over time.  It's not about perfect record-keeping but creating a resource for your child to see their own thinking and growth patterns.

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<strong>How do you balance alternative learning with mainstream school expectations?</strong> You can support interest-led learning at home while your child attends traditional school. Focus on afternoons, evenings, and weekends as opportunities to follow their curiosity.  It doesn’t have to take additional time: Sara’s son often uses the time in the car on their way to school to notice what’s happening in their town and make hypotheses about what’s happening. This approach helps build a more well-rounded approach to learning than the content-heavy focus children will follow in school.

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<strong>What if I don't know anything about my child's area of interest?</strong> Not knowing about the topic is actually an advantage because it removes the temptation to teach! You become a fellow explorer, helping them find resources and asking genuine questions. This creates a more engaging dynamic than having an ‘expert’ parent lecture about the subject.

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<h3>Ready to Support Your Child's Learning Like Sara?</h3>
Sara's transformation from perfectionist parent to confident learning supporter didn't happen overnight. But it started with understanding how learning really works and her role in supporting it.

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If you're inspired by Sara's journey and want to develop the same confidence in supporting your child's natural curiosity, the <strong>Learning Membership</strong> gives you everything you need to get started.

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<strong>Inside the membership, you'll learn to:</strong>
<ul><li>Identify your child's genuine interests (not just the random ones they announce when you ask: “What do you want to learn about?”);</li><li>Scaffold their learning by asking the right questions instead of providing answers;</li><li>Turn everyday moments into meaningful learning explorations;</li><li>Document your child's discoveries without the overwhelm;</li><li>Build their creative problem-solving and critical thinking skills;</li><li>Support their learning even when they're in traditional school.</li></ul><br/>
Sara found her compass for navigating cultural pressures and perfectionism through the membership's monthly coaching calls and supportive community. You'll get access to the same guidance, plus step-by-step modules that walk you through your first learning exploration.

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The best part? You don't need any special expertise. This approach actually works <em>better </em>when you explore alongside your child as a curious companion rather than trying to be their teacher.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:04 Introduction of today’s episode

05:03 Sara experienced the pain of conditional worth, where love and acceptance seemed tied to being "the best," which created anxiety when that impossible standard couldn't be met, and now she wants to support Som by following his interests instead of imposing external measures of success

13:40 How has ‘perfectionism’ affected both Sara and her parenting approach with her son, Som?

19:10 Definition of learning exploration from Sara’s perspective

24:29 How was Sara before being a member of the Learning Membership?

28:10 Through the membership, we learn about how learning happens and how a child observes patterns, theorizes, and extrapolates based on those patterns, and applies what he's observed before to new things that he sees out in the world

40:10 Our kids have capabilities if we can learn to see them right and if we can learn to be that person who provides just a little bit of support

49:10 What piece of advice would Sara give to Sara a year ago?]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/interest-led-learning-journey]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bce95938-9e83-4106-a2bd-ce459235b2ed</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/bce95938-9e83-4106-a2bd-ce459235b2ed.mp3" length="49428828" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>252</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>252</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/01b1605b-2c64-4ff6-9228-7065e3431bdc/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>251: Why Your 8-12 Year Old Should Start a Business (And How to Support Them Without Taking Over!)</title><itunes:title>251: Why Your 8-12 Year Old Should Start a Business (And How to Support Them Without Taking Over!)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-9d134490-7915-418b-90e2-a7c64d5bd880">What if the most powerful gift you could give your child isn't a college fund, but the skills to create their own income at age 10? When my daughter Carys started pet sitting, she didn't just earn money (although she does now have $759 in a retirement savings account that could become over $100,000 by the time she needs it).</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-82104c2b-5881-4177-b756-24a7dca4f589">She’s also developing initiative, follow-through, boundary setting, and client communication skills that many adults find difficult.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b9e17f4a-bdf7-4da6-8bf3-4abc281ded42">This episode reveals why ages 8-12 represent a unique window for developing real-world capabilities through meaningful work. You'll discover how kid businesses naturally teach the life skills parents spend years trying to instill through chores and consequences, from morning routines and organization to persistence with difficult tasks and clear communication about capacity and needs.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-dd179af2-1be3-403e-a292-6142eb1b288d">You’ll learn the practical details of supporting a young entrepreneur without taking over, addressing common concerns about safety, childhood, and academic pressure while showing how business skills actually enhance learning and development.</div>
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<h2 class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-dd179af2-1be3-403e-a292-6142eb1b288d">Questions this episode will answer:</h2>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c0f5aa0c-e5f1-480f-b7f4-72113f5ebf2d"><strong>What age should kids start a business and why?</strong> Ages 8-12 are ideal because kids can handle real responsibility but aren't overwhelmed by teenage social pressures, plus adults are more patient and supportive with young entrepreneurs.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-84cf5197-d120-4d83-915f-b3d7bc1cdc09"><strong>What business skills can young kids actually develop?</strong> Taking initiative, following through on commitments, organization, client communication, boundary setting, persistence through challenges, financial planning, and so much more: all skills that develop through real work.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-db3c3b20-48a5-4237-b9c2-2281789782e4"><strong>How do you support a kid's business without taking over?</strong> Be a "guide on the side" by asking questions instead of giving answers, stepping in only when they hit capacity limits, and letting them learn from manageable failures.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-2d815df9-7f10-48eb-8273-b040347d7796"><strong>What types of businesses work best for kids this age?</strong> Service-based businesses with low startup costs that match kid strengths: think pet care, yard work, parent's helper babysitting, simple crafts, tech support for seniors, and tutoring younger kids.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-9d8bab31-75d5-43df-ab66-b96784fffb4d"><strong>Is starting a business safe for young children? </strong>Yes, with proper systems: initial parent involvement, communication protocols, schedule awareness, and safety equipment like walkie-talkies for new situations.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-de705fb7-1a9b-48a9-b748-14a79a3ba359"><strong>How is this different from traditional chores and allowance?</strong> Kid businesses create direct feedback loops between work quality and real consequences, plus children choose their involvement level rather than having tasks imposed on them.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-d0bec5e6-3eae-44c8-9cd3-4f3a6da1edcb"><strong>What about their education and childhood play time?</strong> Business work typically takes less time than kids spend on screens, enhances academic learning through real-world application, and provides meaningful alternatives to entertainment that doesn’t require much thinking.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-99f0e347-2197-4817-b7ac-1158c840b787"><strong>How do you handle the money management aspect?</strong> Open age-appropriate bank accounts, teach about how money can grow over the long term in retirement savings accounts.  Discuss values-based spending, including charitable giving and long-term goals.</div>
&nbsp;
<h2 class="ql-heading" data-block-id="block-a229b976-be73-4545-8c65-ed02b2fd20ad">What you'll learn in this episode:</h2>
<ul><li>Why the 8-12 age range creates optimal conditions for developing business skills without academic or social pressure</li><li>How kid businesses naturally teach organization, time management, and systems thinking that parents struggle to instill through traditional methods</li><li>Practical examples of how young entrepreneurs develop emotional regulation, boundary setting, and clear communication about their capacity and needs</li><li>The "guide on the side" approach to supporting kids without taking over their learning process</li><li>Safety protocols and systems that protect young business owners while building real-world confidence</li><li>How to identify service-based business opportunities that match your child's interests and community needs</li><li>The compound effect of early financial literacy, including retirement savings strategies for kid entrepreneurs</li><li>Why neurodivergent children often thrive in business contexts where their differences become strengths rather than challenges</li><li>The answers to common parental concerns about childhood, safety, education, and an excessive focus on money</li><li>Real-world examples from a successful 10-year-old pet sitting business, including client interactions, problem-solving scenarios, and financial outcomes</li></ul><br/>
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<h3 class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-97a8ad41-94da-4182-ba89-6091d2191eed"><strong>Ready to help your child develop skills they’ll need in the future?</strong></h3>
<p class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-82c3b154-ef47-4601-8c88-d4363ad84dd9">The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/?earlybird" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Learning</a><a class="ql-link" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/?earlybird" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Membership</a> helps you become the "guide on the side" who follows your child's true interests and supports them in developing the crucial capabilities they will need.</p>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-8b95d991-fe4e-49f0-bb21-a3de05e1a76e">You'll learn to identify the theories your child is building about the world, connect them with resources to answer their own questions, and help them solve problems that have real meaning to real people, not just assignments designed to grade performance.</div>
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<p class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-aa1093d5-6a76-4ac7-879b-40219494e604">We'll get you notified when doors reopen! Click the banner to learn more!</p>
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:58 Introduction to today’s episode

06:33 When children take on entrepreneurial responsibilities early, they naturally develop the ability to manage their own school preparation and daily organization instead of relying on parents to remember everything for them

13:51 Reliability isn't some complex trait; it's simply the practice of consistently following through on commitments, and children learn this best when they face real but age-appropriate consequences for their choices

19:45 What kinds of businesses actually work for kids aged 8-12 years old?

25:01 The need to save for retirement reflects a broken system where community care has been replaced by individual financial responsibility, but teaching children some skills gives them the option to choose meaningful work over desperate survival while contributing to rebuilding more caring communities

33:45 Common concerns or issues parents express when they learn about a 10-year-old running their own business

50:10 If the idea of starting a business sounds interesting to you, where do you begin?

54:02 An open invitation for Mind Your Business: For Kids

54:52 Wrapping up

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-9d134490-7915-418b-90e2-a7c64d5bd880">What if the most powerful gift you could give your child isn't a college fund, but the skills to create their own income at age 10? When my daughter Carys started pet sitting, she didn't just earn money (although she does now have $759 in a retirement savings account that could become over $100,000 by the time she needs it).</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-82104c2b-5881-4177-b756-24a7dca4f589">She’s also developing initiative, follow-through, boundary setting, and client communication skills that many adults find difficult.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b9e17f4a-bdf7-4da6-8bf3-4abc281ded42">This episode reveals why ages 8-12 represent a unique window for developing real-world capabilities through meaningful work. You'll discover how kid businesses naturally teach the life skills parents spend years trying to instill through chores and consequences, from morning routines and organization to persistence with difficult tasks and clear communication about capacity and needs.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-dd179af2-1be3-403e-a292-6142eb1b288d">You’ll learn the practical details of supporting a young entrepreneur without taking over, addressing common concerns about safety, childhood, and academic pressure while showing how business skills actually enhance learning and development.</div>
<div data-block-id="block-dd179af2-1be3-403e-a292-6142eb1b288d"></div>
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<h2 class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-dd179af2-1be3-403e-a292-6142eb1b288d">Questions this episode will answer:</h2>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c0f5aa0c-e5f1-480f-b7f4-72113f5ebf2d"><strong>What age should kids start a business and why?</strong> Ages 8-12 are ideal because kids can handle real responsibility but aren't overwhelmed by teenage social pressures, plus adults are more patient and supportive with young entrepreneurs.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-84cf5197-d120-4d83-915f-b3d7bc1cdc09"><strong>What business skills can young kids actually develop?</strong> Taking initiative, following through on commitments, organization, client communication, boundary setting, persistence through challenges, financial planning, and so much more: all skills that develop through real work.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-db3c3b20-48a5-4237-b9c2-2281789782e4"><strong>How do you support a kid's business without taking over?</strong> Be a "guide on the side" by asking questions instead of giving answers, stepping in only when they hit capacity limits, and letting them learn from manageable failures.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-2d815df9-7f10-48eb-8273-b040347d7796"><strong>What types of businesses work best for kids this age?</strong> Service-based businesses with low startup costs that match kid strengths: think pet care, yard work, parent's helper babysitting, simple crafts, tech support for seniors, and tutoring younger kids.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-9d8bab31-75d5-43df-ab66-b96784fffb4d"><strong>Is starting a business safe for young children? </strong>Yes, with proper systems: initial parent involvement, communication protocols, schedule awareness, and safety equipment like walkie-talkies for new situations.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-de705fb7-1a9b-48a9-b748-14a79a3ba359"><strong>How is this different from traditional chores and allowance?</strong> Kid businesses create direct feedback loops between work quality and real consequences, plus children choose their involvement level rather than having tasks imposed on them.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-d0bec5e6-3eae-44c8-9cd3-4f3a6da1edcb"><strong>What about their education and childhood play time?</strong> Business work typically takes less time than kids spend on screens, enhances academic learning through real-world application, and provides meaningful alternatives to entertainment that doesn’t require much thinking.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-99f0e347-2197-4817-b7ac-1158c840b787"><strong>How do you handle the money management aspect?</strong> Open age-appropriate bank accounts, teach about how money can grow over the long term in retirement savings accounts.  Discuss values-based spending, including charitable giving and long-term goals.</div>
&nbsp;
<h2 class="ql-heading" data-block-id="block-a229b976-be73-4545-8c65-ed02b2fd20ad">What you'll learn in this episode:</h2>
<ul><li>Why the 8-12 age range creates optimal conditions for developing business skills without academic or social pressure</li><li>How kid businesses naturally teach organization, time management, and systems thinking that parents struggle to instill through traditional methods</li><li>Practical examples of how young entrepreneurs develop emotional regulation, boundary setting, and clear communication about their capacity and needs</li><li>The "guide on the side" approach to supporting kids without taking over their learning process</li><li>Safety protocols and systems that protect young business owners while building real-world confidence</li><li>How to identify service-based business opportunities that match your child's interests and community needs</li><li>The compound effect of early financial literacy, including retirement savings strategies for kid entrepreneurs</li><li>Why neurodivergent children often thrive in business contexts where their differences become strengths rather than challenges</li><li>The answers to common parental concerns about childhood, safety, education, and an excessive focus on money</li><li>Real-world examples from a successful 10-year-old pet sitting business, including client interactions, problem-solving scenarios, and financial outcomes</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3 class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-97a8ad41-94da-4182-ba89-6091d2191eed"><strong>Ready to help your child develop skills they’ll need in the future?</strong></h3>
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&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-8b95d991-fe4e-49f0-bb21-a3de05e1a76e">You'll learn to identify the theories your child is building about the world, connect them with resources to answer their own questions, and help them solve problems that have real meaning to real people, not just assignments designed to grade performance.</div>
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:58 Introduction to today’s episode

06:33 When children take on entrepreneurial responsibilities early, they naturally develop the ability to manage their own school preparation and daily organization instead of relying on parents to remember everything for them

13:51 Reliability isn't some complex trait; it's simply the practice of consistently following through on commitments, and children learn this best when they face real but age-appropriate consequences for their choices

19:45 What kinds of businesses actually work for kids aged 8-12 years old?

25:01 The need to save for retirement reflects a broken system where community care has been replaced by individual financial responsibility, but teaching children some skills gives them the option to choose meaningful work over desperate survival while contributing to rebuilding more caring communities

33:45 Common concerns or issues parents express when they learn about a 10-year-old running their own business

50:10 If the idea of starting a business sounds interesting to you, where do you begin?

54:02 An open invitation for Mind Your Business: For Kids

54:52 Wrapping up

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This summary episode brings together all the key insights from our 4-part series examining <em>The Anxious Generation</em>. We take a deep dive into the data behind the teen mental health crisis claims, giving you the essential findings in one convenient episode. You'll discover why those alarming statistics might not mean what you think they do, and why the correlation between social media use and teen depression is actually smaller than the correlation between eating potatoes and teen wellbeing.

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We'll explore what really drives teen mental health struggles, from family relationships to academic pressure, and why control-based approaches like phone bans often backfire, pushing our kids further away when they need us most.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>Is there really a teen mental health crisis caused by social media?</strong> The dramatic statistics may reflect better screening and diagnosis rather than new cases caused by technology.

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<strong>Does social media actually cause teen depression and anxiety?</strong> Research shows the correlation is smaller than that between eating potatoes and teen wellbeing, explaining less than 1% of variance.

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<strong>Should parents ban phones at school to help kids focus?</strong> Academic declines are tiny and international data doesn't support the phone-blame theory.

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<strong>Will banning my teen's phone at home solve their mental health problems?</strong> Control-based approaches often backfire and damage the parent-child relationship.

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<strong>What affects teen mental health more than social media?</strong> Family relationships, academic pressure, sleep, economic stress, and school environment have much bigger impacts.

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<strong>How can I help my teen with technology without taking it away?</strong> Focus on connection, listen more, work together on limits, and address bigger stressors.

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<strong>Why do teens turn to their phones so much?</strong> Phones provide autonomy, connection, and relevance that teens often don't find elsewhere.

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<strong>What do teens who self-harm actually say about social media?</strong> Many feel frustrated by attempts to blame social media and see the narrative as wrong and unhelpful.

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<strong>How can I create healthy technology habits without damaging trust?</strong> Include your teen in creating rules, focus on relationship building, and address underlying needs.

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<strong>What should I do if I'm worried about my teen's phone use?</strong> Look at the whole picture, build connections through listening, and work together on solutions.

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<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why the "hockey stick" graphs showing teen mental health decline might be misleading, and what factors like better screening and diagnostic changes actually explain</li><li>The surprising truth about social media research - including why studies showing harm have major flaws and why effect sizes are incredibly small</li><li>What the international data really shows about teen mental health across countries with similar smartphone adoption rates</li><li>Why family relationships, not screen time, are the strongest predictor of teen wellbeing according to emergency room data</li><li>How control-based approaches like phone bans create sneaking, secrecy, and damaged trust instead of healthier habits</li><li>The real reasons teens turn to phones - and how to address underlying needs for autonomy, connection, and relevance</li><li>Evidence-based strategies for supporting teen mental health that focus on connection over control</li><li>Why different communities experience teen distress differently, and how this affects our understanding of social media's impact</li><li>How to have technology conversations with your teen that build trust rather than create power struggles</li><li>Practical approaches for creating compelling offline experiences and supporting your teen's individual needs</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)

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<h2>Resources</h2>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/theanxiousgeneration" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation Resources</a>

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:00 Teaser of today’s episode

02:52 There's a widespread misconception about the teen mental health crisis. People often misunderstand both the root causes and the appropriate responses. Essentially, there's a real problem, but we're looking in the wrong places for causes and solutions

05:08 What’s been covered in the previous episodes of The Anxious Generation Review series

09:06 Social media's mental health impact is small for most teens compared to family relationships, sleep, economics, and academics, though it can harm vulnerable teens while helping marginalized youth find community

12:36 Strategies that can help you support your child

14:44 Wrapping up the series about The Anxious Generation review

16:22 An open invitation to The Anxious Generation resources and scripts to help you talk with your kids about screen time in age-appropriate ways

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a>

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City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a>

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Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cprd.com/</a>

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College Drinking Prevention. (n.d.). <em>Prevalence</em>. National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. <a href="https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence</a>

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Community Epidemiology and Research Division. (n.d.). <em>Just say no, DARE, and programs like it don’t work—So why are they still around?</em><a href="https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/</a>

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Concordia University. (n.d.). <em>A brief history of women in sports</em>. <a href="https://kinesiology.csp.edu/sports-coaches-and-trainers/a-brief-history-of-women-in-sports/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://kinesiology.csp.edu/sports-coaches-and-trainers/a-brief-history-of-women-in-sports/</a>

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Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people’s perceptions of their parents’ expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a>

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Durlak, J. A., &amp; Wells, A. M. (1997). <em>Primary prevention mental health programs for children and adolescents: A meta-analytic review</em> [Archived document]. Indiana University. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf</a>

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Eschner, K. (2017, August 26). The rise of the modern sportswoman. <em>Smithsonian Magazine</em>. <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/</a>

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Evolve’s Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a>

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Evolve’s Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Are you worried that social media is destroying your teen's mental health? You're not alone. Jonathan Haidt's bestselling book <em>The Anxious Generation</em> has parents everywhere wondering if smartphones are rewiring their kids' brains and creating a mental health crisis. But before you rush to ban your teen's phone, you need to hear what the research actually shows.

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This summary episode brings together all the key insights from our 4-part series examining <em>The Anxious Generation</em>. We take a deep dive into the data behind the teen mental health crisis claims, giving you the essential findings in one convenient episode. You'll discover why those alarming statistics might not mean what you think they do, and why the correlation between social media use and teen depression is actually smaller than the correlation between eating potatoes and teen wellbeing.

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We'll explore what really drives teen mental health struggles, from family relationships to academic pressure, and why control-based approaches like phone bans often backfire, pushing our kids further away when they need us most.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>Is there really a teen mental health crisis caused by social media?</strong> The dramatic statistics may reflect better screening and diagnosis rather than new cases caused by technology.

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<strong>Does social media actually cause teen depression and anxiety?</strong> Research shows the correlation is smaller than that between eating potatoes and teen wellbeing, explaining less than 1% of variance.

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<strong>Should parents ban phones at school to help kids focus?</strong> Academic declines are tiny and international data doesn't support the phone-blame theory.

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<strong>Will banning my teen's phone at home solve their mental health problems?</strong> Control-based approaches often backfire and damage the parent-child relationship.

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<strong>What affects teen mental health more than social media?</strong> Family relationships, academic pressure, sleep, economic stress, and school environment have much bigger impacts.

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<strong>How can I help my teen with technology without taking it away?</strong> Focus on connection, listen more, work together on limits, and address bigger stressors.

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<strong>Why do teens turn to their phones so much?</strong> Phones provide autonomy, connection, and relevance that teens often don't find elsewhere.

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<strong>What do teens who self-harm actually say about social media?</strong> Many feel frustrated by attempts to blame social media and see the narrative as wrong and unhelpful.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I create healthy technology habits without damaging trust?</strong> Include your teen in creating rules, focus on relationship building, and address underlying needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>What should I do if I'm worried about my teen's phone use?</strong> Look at the whole picture, build connections through listening, and work together on solutions.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why the "hockey stick" graphs showing teen mental health decline might be misleading, and what factors like better screening and diagnostic changes actually explain</li><li>The surprising truth about social media research - including why studies showing harm have major flaws and why effect sizes are incredibly small</li><li>What the international data really shows about teen mental health across countries with similar smartphone adoption rates</li><li>Why family relationships, not screen time, are the strongest predictor of teen wellbeing according to emergency room data</li><li>How control-based approaches like phone bans create sneaking, secrecy, and damaged trust instead of healthier habits</li><li>The real reasons teens turn to phones - and how to address underlying needs for autonomy, connection, and relevance</li><li>Evidence-based strategies for supporting teen mental health that focus on connection over control</li><li>Why different communities experience teen distress differently, and how this affects our understanding of social media's impact</li><li>How to have technology conversations with your teen that build trust rather than create power struggles</li><li>Practical approaches for creating compelling offline experiences and supporting your teen's individual needs</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;
<h2>Resources</h2>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/theanxiousgeneration" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation Resources</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:00 Teaser of today’s episode

02:52 There's a widespread misconception about the teen mental health crisis. People often misunderstand both the root causes and the appropriate responses. Essentially, there's a real problem, but we're looking in the wrong places for causes and solutions

05:08 What’s been covered in the previous episodes of The Anxious Generation Review series

09:06 Social media's mental health impact is small for most teens compared to family relationships, sleep, economics, and academics, though it can harm vulnerable teens while helping marginalized youth find community

12:36 Strategies that can help you support your child

14:44 Wrapping up the series about The Anxious Generation review

16:22 An open invitation to The Anxious Generation resources and scripts to help you talk with your kids about screen time in age-appropriate ways

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a>

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City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a>

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Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cprd.com/</a>

<hr />

College Drinking Prevention. (n.d.). <em>Prevalence</em>. National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. <a href="https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence</a>

<hr />

Community Epidemiology and Research Division. (n.d.). <em>Just say no, DARE, and programs like it don’t work—So why are they still around?</em><a href="https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/</a>

<hr />

Concordia University. (n.d.). <em>A brief history of women in sports</em>. <a href="https://kinesiology.csp.edu/sports-coaches-and-trainers/a-brief-history-of-women-in-sports/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://kinesiology.csp.edu/sports-coaches-and-trainers/a-brief-history-of-women-in-sports/</a>

<hr />

Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people’s perceptions of their parents’ expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a>

<hr />

Durlak, J. A., &amp; Wells, A. M. (1997). <em>Primary prevention mental health programs for children and adolescents: A meta-analytic review</em> [Archived document]. Indiana University. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf</a>

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Eschner, K. (2017, August 26). The rise of the modern sportswoman. <em>Smithsonian Magazine</em>. <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/</a>

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Evolve’s Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a>

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Evolve’s Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/</a>

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Faverio, M., &amp; Sidoti, O. (2024, December 12). Teens, social media and technology 2024: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat remain widely used among U.S. teens; some say they’re on these sites almost constantly. <em>Pew Research Center</em>. <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf</a>

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Garfield, R., Orgera, K., &amp; Damico, A. (2019, January 25). The uninsured and the ACA: A primer – Key facts about health insurance and the uninsured amidst changes to the Affordable Care Act. <em>KFF</em>. <a href="https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/</a>

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Girls Leadership. (2023). <em>Make space for girls: Research draft</em>. <a href="https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/6398afa2ae5518732f04f791/63f60a5a2a28c570b35ce1b5_Make%20Space%20for%20Girls%20-%20Research%20Draft.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/6398afa2ae5518732f04f791/63f60a5a2a28c570b35ce1b5_Make%20Space%20for%20Girls%20-%20Research%20Draft.pdf</a>

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Gray, P. (2024, May 20). #63. More on moral panics and thoughts about when to ban smartphones. <em>Peter Gray’s Play Makes Us Human</em>. <a href="https://petergray.substack.com/p/63-more-on-moral-panics-and-thoughts?utm_source=publication-search" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://petergray.substack.com/p/63-more-on-moral-panics-and-thoughts?utm_source=publication-search</a>

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Gulbas, L. E., &amp; Zayas, L. H. (2015). Examining the interplay among family, culture, and Latina teen suicidal behavior. <em>Qualitative Health Research</em>, <em>25</em>(5), 689-699. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598</a>

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Haas, A. P., Rodgers, P. L., &amp; Herman, J. L. (2014, January). Suicide attempts among transgender and gender non-conforming adults: Findings of the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. <em>American Foundation for Suicide Prevention</em> and <em>Williams Institute, UCLA School of Law</em>. <a href="https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf</a>

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Haidt, J., &amp; Rausch, Z. Better mental health [Ongoing open-source literature review]. <em>The Coddling</em>. <a href="https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health</a>

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Haidt, J., Rausch, Z., &amp; Twenge, J. (ongoing). <em>Social media and mental health: A collaborative review</em>. Unpublished manuscript, New York University. Accessed at <a href="https://tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview</a>

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Hunt, M., Auriemma, J., &amp; Cashaw, A. C. A. (2003). Self-report bias and underreporting of depression on the BDI-II. <em>Journal of Personality Assessment</em>, <em>80</em>(1), 26-30. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10</a>

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Johns Hopkins Medicine. Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). <em>Johns Hopkins Medicine</em>. <a href="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd</a>

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KFF. (2024). <em>A look at state efforts to ban cellphones in schools and implications for youth mental health</em>. <a href="https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/a-look-at-state-efforts-to-ban-cellphones-in-schools-and-implications-for-youth-mental-health/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/a-look-at-state-efforts-to-ban-cellphones-in-schools-and-implications-for-youth-mental-health/</a>

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Lilienfeld, S. O., &amp; Arkowitz, H. (2014, January 1). Why “just say no” doesn’t work. <em>Scientific American</em>. <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/</a>

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Martin, J. L. (2002). Power, authority, and the constraint of belief systems. <em>American Journal of Sociology</em>, <em>107</em>(4), 861-904. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1086/343192" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1086/343192</a>

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Mims, C. (2024, March 29). Jonathan Haidt thinks smartphones destroyed a generation. Is he right? <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>. <a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/jonathan-haidt-anxious-generation-book-smartphones-676bcadb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/jonathan-haidt-anxious-generation-book-smartphones-676bcadb</a>

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Smithsonian Institution. (1988, December). <em>Arts to zoos: Child labor</em>. Smithsonian Education. <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/</a>

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Stevenson, B., &amp; Wolfers, J. (2009). <em>The paradox of declining female happiness</em> [Working paper]. Social Science Research Network. <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1408690" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1408690</a>

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Thomas, J. F., Temple, J. R., Perez, N., &amp; Rupp, R. (2011). Ethnic and gender disparities in needed adolescent mental health care. <em>Journal of Health Care for the Poor and Underserved</em>, <em>22</em>(1), 101-110. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1353/hpu.2011.0029" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1353/hpu.2011.0029</a>

<hr />

Townsend, E., Ness, J., Waters, K., Rehman, M., Kapur, N., Clements, C., Geulayov, G., Bale, E., Casey, D., &amp; Hawton, K. (2022). Life...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/anxious-generation-summary]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b14aaeb2-1a9e-4640-806a-9dc974946942</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b14aaeb2-1a9e-4640-806a-9dc974946942.mp3" length="16833865" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>17:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/535a3696-01fb-41b2-9931-d58b718fb599/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>250: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 4): Should we ban cell phones at home?</title><itunes:title>250: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 4): Should we ban cell phones at home?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-review-mental-health-crisis-america" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 1</a>, we looked at the evidence for the teen 'mental health crisis.'

&nbsp;

In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-part-2-social-media-research" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 2</a>, we reviewed the evidence for whether social media is causing the so-called 'teen mental health crisis.

&nbsp;

In <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-part-3-should-we-ban-phones-in-school" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 3</a>, we began looking at what to do about the effects of phones on kids - starting with school cell phone bans.

&nbsp;

If you've read <a href="https://amzn.to/46mbmqO" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation</a> or heard about Dr. Jean Twenge's forthcoming book <a href="https://amzn.to/4evlVtC" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10 Rules for Raising Kids in a High-Tech World</a>, you might be wondering whether it's time to implement strict family phone rules and teenage social media limits in your home. These digital parenting experts promise clear solutions: you're in charge, no phones in bedrooms, no social media until 16. But what happens when these teenage phone rules meet the reality of family life?

&nbsp;

In this final episode of our Anxious Generation series, we explore why traditional approaches to limit social media time often backfire spectacularly - and what effective digital parenting looks like instead. You'll discover why rigid teenage mobile phone rules can actually push kids further away from you, how punishment-based approaches to social media teens mirror the failed DARE program, and why the child who follows rules perfectly at home might be the one taking bigger risks when they're finally on their own. We'll also share practical, relationship-based alternatives that help you address real concerns about teenage social media use while building trust and connection with your child.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>How do you set social media limits with your teen?</strong> Focus on collaborative conversations about how technology affects them, rather than imposing rigid teenage social media limits without their input.

&nbsp;

<strong>Should social media be limited for teens?</strong> Blanket restrictions often backfire; effective digital parenting involves understanding individual needs and working together on healthy boundaries.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to limit cellphone use for teenager without damaging trust?</strong> Use connection-first approaches that explore their experiences rather than immediately jumping to restrictive family phone rules.

&nbsp;

<strong>How much time should a teenager spend on their phone?</strong> The answer varies by individual; focus on how social media affects your teen rather than arbitrary time limits.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to stop teenage phone addiction using collaborative methods?</strong> Address underlying needs that drive excessive use while maintaining open dialogue about concerning content and working together on solutions.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why is it important for parents to guide children on the internet?</strong> Teens internet safety requires ongoing conversation and support, not just restrictions, to help them navigate digital challenges independently.

&nbsp;

<strong>Should parents have control over their child's social media?</strong> Effective parenting social media approaches balance safety concerns with respecting teens' growing autonomy and need for peer connection.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why traditional family phone rules and "you're in charge" digital parenting approaches often strengthen the very behaviors you're trying to eliminate</li><li>The hidden parallels between attempts to limit social media usage and failed drug prevention programs like DARE - and what this means for your family</li><li>How to recognize when your teen's social media use is a coping mechanism for other struggles, and what to address instead of just restricting time</li><li>Practical strategies for creating meaningful offline experiences that genuinely compete with digital entertainment, addressing core questions about how much time should a teenager spend on their phone</li><li>Real conversation scripts for discussing teenage social media use with tweens, teens, neurodivergent children, and kids who may be experiencing social media-related harm</li><li>Why some children need social media access for mental health support, and how to balance teens internet safety with connection to vital communities</li><li>Evidence-based approaches to parenting social media that build trust while addressing legitimate safety concerns about teenage social media use</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Here are the scripts for discussing screen use with teens:</strong>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/37ebf616d69c4942800d7f8daa64b3b9.phprsm0c7?Expires=4906412144&amp;Signature=fXkg-MwD0TEEoFfVVt3NLl2WnTm2gGTCFuwy-9EH89gUvZMzcxDG1aEO1rYXZC0DbZgNv~Kq0eVVEYWWr1MzK-SMF60hYgHqGIXZAAnif2rKyup7CHN8-fkjmjt2O4QgyDVRkhsrp~n4cIVPPlkmvYGPv68~asnFx33T1cLcrZNcPS59Ry177gItkeIBMeiY1Cwm2p2LxBCDa3cb9v~Kb8NBRnj~du45iMGUfu573bOLsu90Ta4E6WqKZ-qrbWfLN72JuuK6y8UyhOOYYfD7BVE46tcn7rZGN9QXH9zQid63EJh22Sk8VeIdOqqkyVVl3xl41O4sas~pej3hv2TlMA__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Neurotypical Teen Not at Risk</a>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/b334225ca98140e19d37fb1f9158620e.phprm5pxj?Expires=4906412232&amp;Signature=SU7cAIzdbfrTloKg4wbt8jfAX2tCn8t6jfaT0xOlc~WE7IqhQprsXGBeTxKrGw82AWRmZfacK2R8flKtui48rV1qPI2un-Uq0TCcnjjNTjwWoDNyzLZMtibBkWYa-5qlIyAnG7wWv9EQtvvzjNtYgzmnsSp7L1KNaNdY1Hz0qVEs-RwhFGpwnm1T4DyPf4kRFCyy2dFWP6yhe8M311EXQ4WjON6kOtpplPklQ8I2PERCqWYZMtNj7VW4UHIU7PrTiTEPeTI4MRMmqfJdoDVy0kilaYyXhKl5JLjJ0L6Plli3MloiFwD1~wA-E77ISXLCEz2LqP4CGiZuQ-tPj5VZ0w__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Neurotypical TWEEN Not at Risk</a>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/f8c451e299be41b093bda6b038314e3a.phpii1wim?Expires=4906412323&amp;Signature=MjUCTeXxyN8b0edrTjG2xJVlFHzkgLRXH~XLCq44BiXps3lxCN6d8k7-Bjuufzu4S0Zm-5rDnW6mnf7oDv6LEOqSxyaXyZJgz-Afdc4Ev70~hw~-jus1ftrTr4sodXHZfYcXN99hHR4NvHOXmDqDFSqSXd8KbscMxvnle0OZW~02zbvXO6Va4qAkJ5M5mleMO3j8KrtsEr5fdsYOZoKln7eQ7W2PRszyF2lztRP8mN21ERod~yA9Gp9HCcBLl3VUiHTHcQUT48hjAj1qJMyOrBhViJFaYY~ubYCMquKHDV95sr8gmga4WvX-kdtlZ0Fv5-MIwwOvCEjFgNXbpR~0uQ__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Neurodivergent Teen</a>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/fd5291b9f65f49fe8a83d2939551acc2.php4xlrla?Expires=4906412421&amp;Signature=Ut5mFpFG9drYmP8vQwthpllqXOIauVW2ytfx-UtOr2dGnsKcJL5AgMdqIbzYzFgYMhP7c-sz9uUmA~Ir2bt4ua8VKwKsSjn86lgXNlIvNbA3DuV3OLf~sIIDvKztFQD8hXIcVjifXtsNw1BKAkDL0-N8NFA9M0GzOiZc2g-6Re9-B5GNKEl-nx6~dA8KU6XLnhhhzFzgCUtMsrDhj5cp-2u07BvvLbUszvIIc5MNjN2y7BOZOJHLfjn5B4ljbwi4C-~HkVyvwkL7Kjx1R3ZtYIcxr7PaxPVkIoyJa8AOlMNzG9cizKVRUSa-Nhw7P2ZSN-bfRSB-DTbrR7iHXvGeiQ__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Teen at Risk</a>

&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights </strong>

00:00 Teaser on what today’s episode is all about

03:21 10 Concrete rules on how to manage kids and the technology that surrounds them, according to Dr. Jean Twenge upcoming book on September 2nd

10:10 Our kids learn to hide their mistakes and struggles rather than coming to us for help when they need it most because they are afraid that what they are doing is wrong, and as parents, we may punish them

13:07 When kids spend time on screens, they aren’t just moving towards screens, they are also moving away from something, which is us, the parents

22:30 An open invitation for the scripts that are included in The Anxious Generation review (part 4)

28:21 Wrapping up the discussion

31:37 Key ideas from this set of  episodes

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

College Drinking Prevention. (n.d.). <em>Prevalence</em>. National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. <a href="https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence</a>

<hr />

Lilienfeld, S. O., &amp; Arkowitz, H. (2014, January 1). Why "just say no" doesn't work. <em>Scientific American</em>. <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/</a>

<hr />

Community Epidemiology and Research Division. (n.d.). <em>Just say no, DARE, and programs like it don't work—So why are they still around?</em> <a href="https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/</a>

<hr />

Durlak, J. A., &amp; Wells, A. M. (1997). <em>Primary prevention mental health programs for children and adolescents: A meta-analytic review</em> [Archived document]. Indiana University. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf</a>

<hr />]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-review-mental-health-crisis-america" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 1</a>, we looked at the evidence for the teen 'mental health crisis.'

&nbsp;

In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-part-2-social-media-research" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 2</a>, we reviewed the evidence for whether social media is causing the so-called 'teen mental health crisis.

&nbsp;

In <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-part-3-should-we-ban-phones-in-school" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 3</a>, we began looking at what to do about the effects of phones on kids - starting with school cell phone bans.

&nbsp;

If you've read <a href="https://amzn.to/46mbmqO" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation</a> or heard about Dr. Jean Twenge's forthcoming book <a href="https://amzn.to/4evlVtC" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10 Rules for Raising Kids in a High-Tech World</a>, you might be wondering whether it's time to implement strict family phone rules and teenage social media limits in your home. These digital parenting experts promise clear solutions: you're in charge, no phones in bedrooms, no social media until 16. But what happens when these teenage phone rules meet the reality of family life?

&nbsp;

In this final episode of our Anxious Generation series, we explore why traditional approaches to limit social media time often backfire spectacularly - and what effective digital parenting looks like instead. You'll discover why rigid teenage mobile phone rules can actually push kids further away from you, how punishment-based approaches to social media teens mirror the failed DARE program, and why the child who follows rules perfectly at home might be the one taking bigger risks when they're finally on their own. We'll also share practical, relationship-based alternatives that help you address real concerns about teenage social media use while building trust and connection with your child.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>How do you set social media limits with your teen?</strong> Focus on collaborative conversations about how technology affects them, rather than imposing rigid teenage social media limits without their input.

&nbsp;

<strong>Should social media be limited for teens?</strong> Blanket restrictions often backfire; effective digital parenting involves understanding individual needs and working together on healthy boundaries.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to limit cellphone use for teenager without damaging trust?</strong> Use connection-first approaches that explore their experiences rather than immediately jumping to restrictive family phone rules.

&nbsp;

<strong>How much time should a teenager spend on their phone?</strong> The answer varies by individual; focus on how social media affects your teen rather than arbitrary time limits.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to stop teenage phone addiction using collaborative methods?</strong> Address underlying needs that drive excessive use while maintaining open dialogue about concerning content and working together on solutions.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why is it important for parents to guide children on the internet?</strong> Teens internet safety requires ongoing conversation and support, not just restrictions, to help them navigate digital challenges independently.

&nbsp;

<strong>Should parents have control over their child's social media?</strong> Effective parenting social media approaches balance safety concerns with respecting teens' growing autonomy and need for peer connection.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why traditional family phone rules and "you're in charge" digital parenting approaches often strengthen the very behaviors you're trying to eliminate</li><li>The hidden parallels between attempts to limit social media usage and failed drug prevention programs like DARE - and what this means for your family</li><li>How to recognize when your teen's social media use is a coping mechanism for other struggles, and what to address instead of just restricting time</li><li>Practical strategies for creating meaningful offline experiences that genuinely compete with digital entertainment, addressing core questions about how much time should a teenager spend on their phone</li><li>Real conversation scripts for discussing teenage social media use with tweens, teens, neurodivergent children, and kids who may be experiencing social media-related harm</li><li>Why some children need social media access for mental health support, and how to balance teens internet safety with connection to vital communities</li><li>Evidence-based approaches to parenting social media that build trust while addressing legitimate safety concerns about teenage social media use</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Here are the scripts for discussing screen use with teens:</strong>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/37ebf616d69c4942800d7f8daa64b3b9.phprsm0c7?Expires=4906412144&amp;Signature=fXkg-MwD0TEEoFfVVt3NLl2WnTm2gGTCFuwy-9EH89gUvZMzcxDG1aEO1rYXZC0DbZgNv~Kq0eVVEYWWr1MzK-SMF60hYgHqGIXZAAnif2rKyup7CHN8-fkjmjt2O4QgyDVRkhsrp~n4cIVPPlkmvYGPv68~asnFx33T1cLcrZNcPS59Ry177gItkeIBMeiY1Cwm2p2LxBCDa3cb9v~Kb8NBRnj~du45iMGUfu573bOLsu90Ta4E6WqKZ-qrbWfLN72JuuK6y8UyhOOYYfD7BVE46tcn7rZGN9QXH9zQid63EJh22Sk8VeIdOqqkyVVl3xl41O4sas~pej3hv2TlMA__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Neurotypical Teen Not at Risk</a>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/b334225ca98140e19d37fb1f9158620e.phprm5pxj?Expires=4906412232&amp;Signature=SU7cAIzdbfrTloKg4wbt8jfAX2tCn8t6jfaT0xOlc~WE7IqhQprsXGBeTxKrGw82AWRmZfacK2R8flKtui48rV1qPI2un-Uq0TCcnjjNTjwWoDNyzLZMtibBkWYa-5qlIyAnG7wWv9EQtvvzjNtYgzmnsSp7L1KNaNdY1Hz0qVEs-RwhFGpwnm1T4DyPf4kRFCyy2dFWP6yhe8M311EXQ4WjON6kOtpplPklQ8I2PERCqWYZMtNj7VW4UHIU7PrTiTEPeTI4MRMmqfJdoDVy0kilaYyXhKl5JLjJ0L6Plli3MloiFwD1~wA-E77ISXLCEz2LqP4CGiZuQ-tPj5VZ0w__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Neurotypical TWEEN Not at Risk</a>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/f8c451e299be41b093bda6b038314e3a.phpii1wim?Expires=4906412323&amp;Signature=MjUCTeXxyN8b0edrTjG2xJVlFHzkgLRXH~XLCq44BiXps3lxCN6d8k7-Bjuufzu4S0Zm-5rDnW6mnf7oDv6LEOqSxyaXyZJgz-Afdc4Ev70~hw~-jus1ftrTr4sodXHZfYcXN99hHR4NvHOXmDqDFSqSXd8KbscMxvnle0OZW~02zbvXO6Va4qAkJ5M5mleMO3j8KrtsEr5fdsYOZoKln7eQ7W2PRszyF2lztRP8mN21ERod~yA9Gp9HCcBLl3VUiHTHcQUT48hjAj1qJMyOrBhViJFaYY~ubYCMquKHDV95sr8gmga4WvX-kdtlZ0Fv5-MIwwOvCEjFgNXbpR~0uQ__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Neurodivergent Teen</a>

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/fd5291b9f65f49fe8a83d2939551acc2.php4xlrla?Expires=4906412421&amp;Signature=Ut5mFpFG9drYmP8vQwthpllqXOIauVW2ytfx-UtOr2dGnsKcJL5AgMdqIbzYzFgYMhP7c-sz9uUmA~Ir2bt4ua8VKwKsSjn86lgXNlIvNbA3DuV3OLf~sIIDvKztFQD8hXIcVjifXtsNw1BKAkDL0-N8NFA9M0GzOiZc2g-6Re9-B5GNKEl-nx6~dA8KU6XLnhhhzFzgCUtMsrDhj5cp-2u07BvvLbUszvIIc5MNjN2y7BOZOJHLfjn5B4ljbwi4C-~HkVyvwkL7Kjx1R3ZtYIcxr7PaxPVkIoyJa8AOlMNzG9cizKVRUSa-Nhw7P2ZSN-bfRSB-DTbrR7iHXvGeiQ__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Script for Teen at Risk</a>

&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights </strong>

00:00 Teaser on what today’s episode is all about

03:21 10 Concrete rules on how to manage kids and the technology that surrounds them, according to Dr. Jean Twenge upcoming book on September 2nd

10:10 Our kids learn to hide their mistakes and struggles rather than coming to us for help when they need it most because they are afraid that what they are doing is wrong, and as parents, we may punish them

13:07 When kids spend time on screens, they aren’t just moving towards screens, they are also moving away from something, which is us, the parents

22:30 An open invitation for the scripts that are included in The Anxious Generation review (part 4)

28:21 Wrapping up the discussion

31:37 Key ideas from this set of  episodes

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

College Drinking Prevention. (n.d.). <em>Prevalence</em>. National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. <a href="https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statistics/prevalence</a>

<hr />

Lilienfeld, S. O., &amp; Arkowitz, H. (2014, January 1). Why "just say no" doesn't work. <em>Scientific American</em>. <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/</a>

<hr />

Community Epidemiology and Research Division. (n.d.). <em>Just say no, DARE, and programs like it don't work—So why are they still around?</em> <a href="https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cerd.org/just-say-no-dare-and-programs-like-it-dont-work-so-why-are-they-still-around/</a>

<hr />

Durlak, J. A., &amp; Wells, A. M. (1997). <em>Primary prevention mental health programs for children and adolescents: A meta-analytic review</em> [Archived document]. Indiana University. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://web.archive.org/web/20140824031650/http:/www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/ztze.pdf</a>

<hr />

KFF. (2024). <em>A look at state efforts to ban cellphones in schools and implications for youth mental health</em>. <a href="https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/a-look-at-state-efforts-to-ban-cellphones-in-schools-and-implications-for-youth-mental-health/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/a-look-at-state-efforts-to-ban-cellphones-in-schools-and-implications-for-youth-mental-health/</a>

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Mims, C. (2024, March 29). Jonathan Haidt thinks smartphones destroyed a generation. Is he right? <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>. <a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/jonathan-haidt-anxious-generation-book-smartphones-676bcadb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/jonathan-haidt-anxious-generation-book-smartphones-676bcadb</a>

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Girls Leadership. (2023). <em>Make space for girls: Research draft</em>. <a href="https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/6398afa2ae5518732f04f791/63f60a5a2a28c570b35ce1b5_Make%20Space%20for%20Girls%20-%20Research%20Draft.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/6398afa2ae5518732f04f791/63f60a5a2a28c570b35ce1b5_Make%20Space%20for%20Girls%20-%20Research%20Draft.pdf</a>

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Smithsonian Institution. (1988, December). <em>Arts to zoos: Child labor</em>. Smithsonian Education. <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/</a>

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Eschner, K. (2017, August 26). The rise of the modern sportswoman. <em>Smithsonian Magazine</em>. <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rise-modern-sportswoman-180960174/</a>

<hr />

Concordia University. (n.d.). <em>A brief history of women in sports</em>. <a href="https://kinesiology.csp.edu/sports-coaches-and-trainers/a-brief-history-of-women-in-sports/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://kinesiology.csp.edu/sports-coaches-and-trainers/a-brief-history-of-women-in-sports/</a>

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Stevenson, B., &amp; Wolfers, J. (2009). <em>The paradox of declining female happiness</em> [Working paper]. Social Science Research Network. <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1408690" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1408690</a>

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Gray, P. (2024, May 20). #63. More on moral panics and thoughts about when to ban smartphones. <em>Peter Gray's Play Makes Us Human</em>. <a href="https://petergray.substack.com/p/63-more-on-moral-panics-and-thoughts?utm_source=publication-search" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://petergray.substack.com/p/63-more-on-moral-panics-and-thoughts?utm_source=publication-search</a>

<hr />

Neufeld, G., &amp; Maté, G. (2004). <em>Hold on to your kids: Why parents need to matter more than peers</em>. Knopf Canada.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Hold-Your-Kids-Parents-Matter/dp/0375760288" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.amazon.com/Hold-Your-Kids-Parents-Matter/dp/0375760288</a>

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Van Ausdale, D., &amp; Feagin, J. R. (2001). <em>The first R: How children learn race and racism</em>. Rowman &amp; Littlefield.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/First-Children-Learn-Race-Racism/dp/0847688623" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.amazon.com/First-Children-Learn-Race-Racism/dp/0847688623</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/should-parents-ban-smartphones-at-home]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a065c5d5-3e98-4597-af91-e260c35034ca</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a065c5d5-3e98-4597-af91-e260c35034ca.mp3" length="34370761" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>250</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>250</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/bc413ae6-352c-449c-8051-b7a5d79f4f21/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>249: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 3): Should we ban cell phones in school?</title><itunes:title>249: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 3): Should we ban cell phones in school?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This is the third in our series of episodes on Jonathan Haidt's book The Anxious Generation.

&nbsp;

In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-review-mental-health-crisis-america" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 1</a>, we looked at the evidence for the teen 'mental health crisis.'

&nbsp;

In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-part-2-social-media-research" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 2</a>, we reviewed the evidence for whether social media is causing the so-called 'teen mental health crisis.

&nbsp;

In this episode, we begin looking at what to do about the effects of phones on kids - starting with school cell phone bans.

&nbsp;

Phone bans are spreading like wildfire across America, with 21 states either studying or already enforcing restrictions, up from none just a few years ago. But before you advocate for - or against - a ban at your child's school, you need to hear what the research actually reveals. This episode examines real studies from Denmark, England, and Hungary, plus the eye-opening results from schools using those tamper-proof Yonder pouches that promise to solve everything.

&nbsp;

You'll discover why the "golden age" of unsupervised childhood play that experts want us to return to wasn't actually golden for most kids. More importantly, you'll learn what's really driving students to their phones: unmet needs for choice, agency, and genuine connection. Through a fascinating deep-dive into one teacher's blog post about his school's phone ban, you'll see how current approaches may be missing the point entirely, and what students themselves say would actually help them engage more in school.

&nbsp;

<strong>Which states are banning cell phones in schools?</strong> 21 states are currently studying or have already enforced cell phone bans, including Florida, Louisiana, Virginia, Indiana, Oklahoma, North Dakota, and New York.

&nbsp;

<strong>Are cell phone bans in schools effective for improving academic performance?</strong> Research shows mixed results with only tiny improvements on test scores, and most studies don't control for other factors that could explain the changes.

&nbsp;

<strong>Does banning phones in school improve students' mental health?</strong> Studies from multiple countries found no significant improvements in student anxiety, depression, or overall wellbeing from cell phone restrictions.

&nbsp;

<strong>Are cell phone bans in schools a good idea?</strong> The evidence suggests that school cell phone bans address symptoms rather than root causes - students turn to phones because their needs for autonomy and connection aren't being met.

&nbsp;

<strong>What happens when schools try to enforce cell phones being banned in schools?</strong> Students find creative workarounds: stabbing through security pouches, buying unlock magnets, bringing decoy phones, and creating underground phone-sharing economies.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do students want their phones during school hours?</strong> Research shows students use phones to meet basic psychological needs for choice, agency, and genuine connection that traditional classrooms often fail to provide.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul>
 	<li><strong>The real data on school cell phone ban effectiveness</strong> - examining studies from Denmark, England, Hungary, and the U.S. that reveal surprising results about academic and mental health outcomes</li>
 	<li><strong>Which states are leading the cell phone ban movement</strong> - a breakdown of the 21 states implementing or studying restrictions, from Florida's pioneering ban to New York's upcoming policies</li>
 	<li><strong>Why current approaches to cell phones being banned in schools may backfire</strong> - discover how students circumvent Yondr pouches and other enforcement methods, and what this reveals about their underlying needs</li>
 	<li><strong>The hidden problems with returning to "phone-free" childhood</strong> - learn why the idealized past of unsupervised play wasn't accessible to all children, especially girls and marginalized communities</li>
 	<li><strong>What students actually need to engage in school</strong> - research-backed insights into the real factors that improve student wellbeing and academic performance beyond device restrictions</li>
 	<li><strong>A better approach than outright bans</strong> - explore how involving students in creating technology agreements can build trust and address root causes rather than just symptoms</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness </a>(Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:00 Teaser of today’s episode

07:25 There’s a Smithsonian Museum lesson plan that points out many people saw child labor as desirable after the Civil War. It was a way for poverty-stricken youngsters to support their families

09:01 In the 1930s, concerns about women's health led universities to drop athletic programs for females. During the outdoor play, boys spent more time outside than girls. This gender gap persists today, with girls reporting that parks feel unwelcoming. Unsupervised play often reinforces harmful cultural norms

14:26 Banning phones in school is a good thing, according to Dr. Haidt. But what did the research say?

19:51 Looking at international test scores from 2010-2019, there's no clear pattern linking higher cell phone use to declining academic performance. Countries with high phone penetration showed varied results, with some improving, others declining, and many remaining flat. Haidt oversimplifies by attributing test score changes solely to phone use, ignoring multiple contributing factors.

23:43 A cross-sectional study compared 30 English secondary schools with restrictive phone policies, meaning phones weren't allowed for recreational use, and permissive policies, meaning phones were allowed for recreational use at certain times and places

27:50 According to Gilbert Schuerch’s Fit to Teach Substack, students were using their devices for 8-17 hours each day on weekends. Basic restrictions didn't work. The approach that succeeded involved taking phones entirely and imposing serious penalties, which resulted in better classroom focus and less bullying

34:35 The needs students were trying to meet through their phones were the internal motivation, trust, and true connections

41:46 When your child comes across something they don't want to do that happens in service of a goal they very much want, they will do it

44:45 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a>

<hr />

City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a>

<hr />

Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cprd.com/</a>

<hr />

Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people's perceptions of their parents' expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a>

<hr />

Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a>

<hr />

Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/</a>

<hr />

Faverio, M., &amp; Sidoti, O. (2024, December 12). Teens, social media and technology 2024: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat remain widely used among U.S. teens; some say they're on these sites almost constantly. <em>Pew Research Center</em>. <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf</a>

<hr />

Garfield, R., Orgera, K., &amp; Damico, A....]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This is the third in our series of episodes on Jonathan Haidt's book The Anxious Generation.

&nbsp;

In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-review-mental-health-crisis-america" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 1</a>, we looked at the evidence for the teen 'mental health crisis.'

&nbsp;

In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-part-2-social-media-research" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 2</a>, we reviewed the evidence for whether social media is causing the so-called 'teen mental health crisis.

&nbsp;

In this episode, we begin looking at what to do about the effects of phones on kids - starting with school cell phone bans.

&nbsp;

Phone bans are spreading like wildfire across America, with 21 states either studying or already enforcing restrictions, up from none just a few years ago. But before you advocate for - or against - a ban at your child's school, you need to hear what the research actually reveals. This episode examines real studies from Denmark, England, and Hungary, plus the eye-opening results from schools using those tamper-proof Yonder pouches that promise to solve everything.

&nbsp;

You'll discover why the "golden age" of unsupervised childhood play that experts want us to return to wasn't actually golden for most kids. More importantly, you'll learn what's really driving students to their phones: unmet needs for choice, agency, and genuine connection. Through a fascinating deep-dive into one teacher's blog post about his school's phone ban, you'll see how current approaches may be missing the point entirely, and what students themselves say would actually help them engage more in school.

&nbsp;

<strong>Which states are banning cell phones in schools?</strong> 21 states are currently studying or have already enforced cell phone bans, including Florida, Louisiana, Virginia, Indiana, Oklahoma, North Dakota, and New York.

&nbsp;

<strong>Are cell phone bans in schools effective for improving academic performance?</strong> Research shows mixed results with only tiny improvements on test scores, and most studies don't control for other factors that could explain the changes.

&nbsp;

<strong>Does banning phones in school improve students' mental health?</strong> Studies from multiple countries found no significant improvements in student anxiety, depression, or overall wellbeing from cell phone restrictions.

&nbsp;

<strong>Are cell phone bans in schools a good idea?</strong> The evidence suggests that school cell phone bans address symptoms rather than root causes - students turn to phones because their needs for autonomy and connection aren't being met.

&nbsp;

<strong>What happens when schools try to enforce cell phones being banned in schools?</strong> Students find creative workarounds: stabbing through security pouches, buying unlock magnets, bringing decoy phones, and creating underground phone-sharing economies.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do students want their phones during school hours?</strong> Research shows students use phones to meet basic psychological needs for choice, agency, and genuine connection that traditional classrooms often fail to provide.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul>
 	<li><strong>The real data on school cell phone ban effectiveness</strong> - examining studies from Denmark, England, Hungary, and the U.S. that reveal surprising results about academic and mental health outcomes</li>
 	<li><strong>Which states are leading the cell phone ban movement</strong> - a breakdown of the 21 states implementing or studying restrictions, from Florida's pioneering ban to New York's upcoming policies</li>
 	<li><strong>Why current approaches to cell phones being banned in schools may backfire</strong> - discover how students circumvent Yondr pouches and other enforcement methods, and what this reveals about their underlying needs</li>
 	<li><strong>The hidden problems with returning to "phone-free" childhood</strong> - learn why the idealized past of unsupervised play wasn't accessible to all children, especially girls and marginalized communities</li>
 	<li><strong>What students actually need to engage in school</strong> - research-backed insights into the real factors that improve student wellbeing and academic performance beyond device restrictions</li>
 	<li><strong>A better approach than outright bans</strong> - explore how involving students in creating technology agreements can build trust and address root causes rather than just symptoms</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness </a>(Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:00 Teaser of today’s episode

07:25 There’s a Smithsonian Museum lesson plan that points out many people saw child labor as desirable after the Civil War. It was a way for poverty-stricken youngsters to support their families

09:01 In the 1930s, concerns about women's health led universities to drop athletic programs for females. During the outdoor play, boys spent more time outside than girls. This gender gap persists today, with girls reporting that parks feel unwelcoming. Unsupervised play often reinforces harmful cultural norms

14:26 Banning phones in school is a good thing, according to Dr. Haidt. But what did the research say?

19:51 Looking at international test scores from 2010-2019, there's no clear pattern linking higher cell phone use to declining academic performance. Countries with high phone penetration showed varied results, with some improving, others declining, and many remaining flat. Haidt oversimplifies by attributing test score changes solely to phone use, ignoring multiple contributing factors.

23:43 A cross-sectional study compared 30 English secondary schools with restrictive phone policies, meaning phones weren't allowed for recreational use, and permissive policies, meaning phones were allowed for recreational use at certain times and places

27:50 According to Gilbert Schuerch’s Fit to Teach Substack, students were using their devices for 8-17 hours each day on weekends. Basic restrictions didn't work. The approach that succeeded involved taking phones entirely and imposing serious penalties, which resulted in better classroom focus and less bullying

34:35 The needs students were trying to meet through their phones were the internal motivation, trust, and true connections

41:46 When your child comes across something they don't want to do that happens in service of a goal they very much want, they will do it

44:45 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a>

<hr />

City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a>

<hr />

Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cprd.com/</a>

<hr />

Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people's perceptions of their parents' expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a>

<hr />

Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a>

<hr />

Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/</a>

<hr />

Faverio, M., &amp; Sidoti, O. (2024, December 12). Teens, social media and technology 2024: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat remain widely used among U.S. teens; some say they're on these sites almost constantly. <em>Pew Research Center</em>. <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf</a>

<hr />

Garfield, R., Orgera, K., &amp; Damico, A. (2019, January 25). The uninsured and the ACA: A primer - Key facts about health insurance and the uninsured amidst changes to the Affordable Care Act. <em>KFF</em>. <a href="https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/</a>

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Gulbas, L. E., &amp; Zayas, L. H. (2015). Examining the interplay among family, culture, and Latina teen suicidal behavior. <em>Qualitative Health Research</em>, <em>25</em>(5), 689-699. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598</a>

<hr />

Haas, A. P., Rodgers, P. L., &amp; Herman, J. L. (2014, January). Suicide attempts among transgender and gender non-conforming adults: Findings of the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. <em>American Foundation for Suicide Prevention</em> and <em>Williams Institute, UCLA School of Law</em>. <a href="https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf</a>

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Haidt, J., &amp; Rausch, Z. Better mental health [Ongoing open-source literature review]. <em>The Coddling</em>. <a href="https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health</a>

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Haidt, J., Rausch, Z., &amp; Twenge, J. (ongoing). <em>Social media and mental health: A collaborative review</em>. Unpublished manuscript, New York University. Accessed at <a href="https://tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview</a>

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Hunt, M., Auriemma, J., &amp; Cashaw, A. C. A. (2003). Self-report bias and underreporting of depression on the BDI-II. <em>Journal of Personality Assessment</em>, <em>80</em>(1), 26-30. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10</a>

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Johns Hopkins Medicine. Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). <em>Johns Hopkins Medicine</em>. <a href="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd</a>

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Martin, J. L. (2002). Power, authority, and the constraint of belief systems. <em>American Journal of Sociology</em>, <em>107</em>(4), 861-904. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1086/343192" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1086/343192</a>

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Mueller, A. S., &amp; Abrutyn, S. (2024). Addressing the social roots of suicide. In <em>Life Under Pressure</em> (pp. 191-218). Oxford University Press. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780190847845.003.0008" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780190847845.003.0008</a>

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NHS Digital. (2020). <em>Mental health of children and young people in England, 2020</em> [Data set]. UK Data Service. <a href="https://doi.org/10.5255/UKDA-SN-9128-2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.5255/UKDA-SN-9128-2</a>

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Programme for International Student Assessment. (2024, May). Managing screen time: How to protect and equip students against distraction. <em>OECD</em>. <a href="https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2024/05/managing-screen-time_023f2390/7c225af4-en.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2024/05/managing-screen-time_023f2390/7c225af4-en.pdf</a>

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Zulyniak, S., Wiens, K., Bulloch, A. G. M., Williams, J. V. A., Lukmanji, A., Dores, A. K., Isherwood, L. J., &amp; Patten, S. B. (2021). Increasing rates of youth and adolescent suicide in Canadian women. <em>The Canadian Journal of Psychiatry</em>, <em>67</em>(1), 67-69. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/07067437211017875" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1177/07067437211017875</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/anxious-generation-part-3-should-we-ban-phones-in-school]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">49bc34f2-ad32-4e1a-b167-a85f95aa40f3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/49bc34f2-ad32-4e1a-b167-a85f95aa40f3.mp3" length="46298185" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>249</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>249</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/bb738317-0d02-4381-84c9-602c7c5dc1b1/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>248: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 2): Does Social Media Actually Cause Kids’ Depression and Anxiety?</title><itunes:title>248: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 2): Does Social Media Actually Cause Kids’ Depression and Anxiety?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-review-mental-health-crisis-america" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Part 1 of this mini-series looking at Jonathan Haidt's book The Anxious Generation</a>, we discovered that the teen mental health crisis might not be as dramatic as The Anxious Generation claims - and that changes in diagnosis and coding could be inflating the numbers. But even if we accept that teens' struggles have increased somewhat, the next crucial question is: what's actually causing the change?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Jonathan Haidt is adamant that social media causes depression and anxiety in teenagers. He claims that "dozens of experiments" prove social media use is a CAUSE, not just a correlate, of mental health problems. But when you dig into the studies, as we do in this episode, we'll see that the 'causal' data is nowhere near as strong as Haidt claims.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>We'll examine the experimental evidence behind social media and teen mental health claims, reveal why leading researchers compare social media effects on teens to eating potatoes, and uncover what factors actually explain 99% of youth mental health outcomes. Because if we're going to spend time and energy helping our kids, we want to make sure we're spending it doing things that <em>will </em>actually help.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2><p><strong>Does social media really cause teen depression and anxiety?</strong> Research shows correlation, not proven causation, with social media effects on teens explaining less than 1% of wellbeing, similar to the effect of eating potatoes. (Some researchers argue that this is still important enough to pay attention to - the episode explores why.)</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Why do I keep hearing that social media is harmful if the research is weak?</strong> Many (but not all) social media studies find some evidence of harm, but when you look at the methodology this isn't surprising - researchers do things like sending participants daily reminders that "limiting social media is good for you," and then asking them how much social media they've consumed and how they feel. It's hard to draw strong conclusions from this data!</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>How can different studies on social media show opposite results?</strong> Researchers studying teen social media use can get completely different results from the same data depending on how they choose to analyze it. The episode looks at those choices and what they mean for understanding whether social media causes kids' depression and anxiety.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Is limiting my teen's social media use actually going to help them?</strong> Current evidence suggests that some kids who use social media a lot are vulnerable to experiencing depression and anxiety, and limiting their use specifically may be protective. There is little evidence to support the idea that blanket bans on kids' social media/smart phone usage will result in dramatic improvements in youth mental health, and focusing on issues that are more clearly connected to mental health would likely have a greater positive impact.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2><ul><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How most social media research creates results that don't tell us what we want to know (but then reports the results as if they do)</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How the same teen mental health data can be analyzed to support opposite conclusions about social media effects on teens</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What family relationships, academic pressure, and economic stress reveal about the real drivers of youth mental health issues</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How social media and teen mental health correlations explain the same amount of variance as seemingly irrelevant factors like potato consumption</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How researcher bias and study design flaws make social media studies less reliable than parents think</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What happens when kids who<em> benefit</em> from social media lose access to it</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Why the focus on teen social media use might distract from addressing bigger factors affecting your child's wellbeing</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How to evaluate social media research claims critically when making decisions about your family's technology use</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What the ongoing debate between leading researchers reveals about the uncertainty in digital wellness science</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Why blanket solutions like social media bans might miss the complex realities of teen mental health challenges</li><li><br></li></ul><br/><h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt's Book</h2><p><a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:45 Introduction of today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>01:40 Haidt explains that after reviewing many research studies with his colleagues Jean Twenge and Zach Rausch, social media doesn't just happen to show up alongside mental health problems in teens - it's actually creating them. The research shows that social media use leads to increased anxiety and depression, rather than simply being something that anxious and depressed teens tend to use more often</p><p><br></p><p>05:28 According to Dr. Gray, despite potential placebo effects boosting results, researchers found mostly no significant improvements in well-being from reducing social media use, only small effects on loneliness and depression that could easily be explained by chance</p><p><br></p><p>12:20 Dr. Amy Orben's Specification Curve Analysis is a sophisticated attempt to show how research choices affect outcomes</p><p><br></p><p>15:12 A study by Schwartz found that both the group that quit Instagram AND the control group that kept using it normally BOTH improved on measures of depression and self-esteem, which the researchers admitted might just be because being in a study about social media usage made people more aware of their usage</p><p><br></p><p>26:54 Dr. Twenge's studies of over 100,000 teens found heavy social media users were twice as likely to report depression, low well-being, and suicide risk, especially girls</p><p><br></p><p>31:42 Dr. Orben uses a technique called Specification Curve Analysis, which is a way to evaluate how the choices a researcher makes affect the study outcomes</p><p><br></p><p>34:35 Some of the factors that are bigger contributors than screen time usage</p><p><br></p><p>42:53 Dr. Orben describes repeating technology panics: radio, comics, TV, video games, now social media. Research lags behind fears, creating cycles where society panics about new tech before understanding previous ones</p><p><br></p><p>50:19 People tend to agree with yes/no questions regardless of content, even contradictory statements. Question-wording heavily influences responses, inflating correlations due to response style rather than genuine opinions</p><p><br></p><p>54:00 Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>References</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cprd.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people's perceptions of their parents' expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a></p><p><br></p><p>Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxious-generation-review-mental-health-crisis-america" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Part 1 of this mini-series looking at Jonathan Haidt's book The Anxious Generation</a>, we discovered that the teen mental health crisis might not be as dramatic as The Anxious Generation claims - and that changes in diagnosis and coding could be inflating the numbers. But even if we accept that teens' struggles have increased somewhat, the next crucial question is: what's actually causing the change?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Jonathan Haidt is adamant that social media causes depression and anxiety in teenagers. He claims that "dozens of experiments" prove social media use is a CAUSE, not just a correlate, of mental health problems. But when you dig into the studies, as we do in this episode, we'll see that the 'causal' data is nowhere near as strong as Haidt claims.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>We'll examine the experimental evidence behind social media and teen mental health claims, reveal why leading researchers compare social media effects on teens to eating potatoes, and uncover what factors actually explain 99% of youth mental health outcomes. Because if we're going to spend time and energy helping our kids, we want to make sure we're spending it doing things that <em>will </em>actually help.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2><p><strong>Does social media really cause teen depression and anxiety?</strong> Research shows correlation, not proven causation, with social media effects on teens explaining less than 1% of wellbeing, similar to the effect of eating potatoes. (Some researchers argue that this is still important enough to pay attention to - the episode explores why.)</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Why do I keep hearing that social media is harmful if the research is weak?</strong> Many (but not all) social media studies find some evidence of harm, but when you look at the methodology this isn't surprising - researchers do things like sending participants daily reminders that "limiting social media is good for you," and then asking them how much social media they've consumed and how they feel. It's hard to draw strong conclusions from this data!</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>How can different studies on social media show opposite results?</strong> Researchers studying teen social media use can get completely different results from the same data depending on how they choose to analyze it. The episode looks at those choices and what they mean for understanding whether social media causes kids' depression and anxiety.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Is limiting my teen's social media use actually going to help them?</strong> Current evidence suggests that some kids who use social media a lot are vulnerable to experiencing depression and anxiety, and limiting their use specifically may be protective. There is little evidence to support the idea that blanket bans on kids' social media/smart phone usage will result in dramatic improvements in youth mental health, and focusing on issues that are more clearly connected to mental health would likely have a greater positive impact.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2><ul><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How most social media research creates results that don't tell us what we want to know (but then reports the results as if they do)</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How the same teen mental health data can be analyzed to support opposite conclusions about social media effects on teens</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What family relationships, academic pressure, and economic stress reveal about the real drivers of youth mental health issues</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How social media and teen mental health correlations explain the same amount of variance as seemingly irrelevant factors like potato consumption</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How researcher bias and study design flaws make social media studies less reliable than parents think</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What happens when kids who<em> benefit</em> from social media lose access to it</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Why the focus on teen social media use might distract from addressing bigger factors affecting your child's wellbeing</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How to evaluate social media research claims critically when making decisions about your family's technology use</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What the ongoing debate between leading researchers reveals about the uncertainty in digital wellness science</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Why blanket solutions like social media bans might miss the complex realities of teen mental health challenges</li><li><br></li></ul><br/><h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt's Book</h2><p><a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:45 Introduction of today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>01:40 Haidt explains that after reviewing many research studies with his colleagues Jean Twenge and Zach Rausch, social media doesn't just happen to show up alongside mental health problems in teens - it's actually creating them. The research shows that social media use leads to increased anxiety and depression, rather than simply being something that anxious and depressed teens tend to use more often</p><p><br></p><p>05:28 According to Dr. Gray, despite potential placebo effects boosting results, researchers found mostly no significant improvements in well-being from reducing social media use, only small effects on loneliness and depression that could easily be explained by chance</p><p><br></p><p>12:20 Dr. Amy Orben's Specification Curve Analysis is a sophisticated attempt to show how research choices affect outcomes</p><p><br></p><p>15:12 A study by Schwartz found that both the group that quit Instagram AND the control group that kept using it normally BOTH improved on measures of depression and self-esteem, which the researchers admitted might just be because being in a study about social media usage made people more aware of their usage</p><p><br></p><p>26:54 Dr. Twenge's studies of over 100,000 teens found heavy social media users were twice as likely to report depression, low well-being, and suicide risk, especially girls</p><p><br></p><p>31:42 Dr. Orben uses a technique called Specification Curve Analysis, which is a way to evaluate how the choices a researcher makes affect the study outcomes</p><p><br></p><p>34:35 Some of the factors that are bigger contributors than screen time usage</p><p><br></p><p>42:53 Dr. Orben describes repeating technology panics: radio, comics, TV, video games, now social media. Research lags behind fears, creating cycles where society panics about new tech before understanding previous ones</p><p><br></p><p>50:19 People tend to agree with yes/no questions regardless of content, even contradictory statements. Question-wording heavily influences responses, inflating correlations due to response style rather than genuine opinions</p><p><br></p><p>54:00 Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>References</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cprd.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people's perceptions of their parents' expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a></p><p><br></p><p>Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Faverio, M., &amp; Sidoti, O. (2024, December 12). Teens, social media and technology 2024: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat remain widely used among U.S. teens; some say they're on these sites almost constantly. <em>Pew Research Center</em>. <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>Garfield, R., Orgera, K., &amp; Damico, A. (2019, January 25). The uninsured and the ACA: A primer - Key facts about health insurance and the uninsured amidst changes to the Affordable Care Act. <em>KFF</em>. <a href="https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Gulbas, L. E., &amp; Zayas, L. H. (2015). Examining the interplay among family, culture, and Latina teen suicidal behavior. <em>Qualitative Health Research</em>, <em>25</em>(5), 689-699. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598</a></p><p><br></p><p>Haas, A. P., Rodgers, P. L., &amp; Herman, J. L. (2014, January). Suicide attempts among transgender and gender non-conforming adults: Findings of the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. <em>American Foundation for Suicide Prevention</em> and <em>Williams Institute, UCLA School of Law</em>. <a href="https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>Haidt, J., &amp; Rausch, Z. Better mental health [Ongoing open-source literature review]. <em>The Coddling</em>. <a href="https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health</a></p><p><br></p><p>Haidt, J., Rausch, Z., &amp; Twenge, J. (ongoing). <em>Social media and mental health: A collaborative review</em>. Unpublished manuscript, New York University. Accessed at <a href="https://tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview</a></p><p><br></p><p>Hunt, M., Auriemma, J., &amp; Cashaw, A. C. A. (2003). Self-report bias and underreporting of depression on the BDI-II. <em>Journal of Personality Assessment</em>, <em>80</em>(1), 26-30. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10</a></p><p><br></p><p>Johns Hopkins Medicine. Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). <em>Johns Hopkins Medicine</em>. <a href="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd</a></p><p><br></p><p>Martin, J. L. (2002). Power, authority, and the constraint of belief systems. <em>American Journal of Sociology</em>, <em>107</em>(4), 861-904. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1086/343192" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1086/343192</a></p><p><br></p><p>Mueller, A. S., &amp; Abrutyn, S. (2024). Addressing the social roots of suicide. In <em>Life Under Pressure</em> (pp. 191-218). Oxford University Press. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780190847845.003.0008" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780190847845.003.0008</a></p><p><br></p><p>NHS Digital. (2020). <em>Mental health of children and young people in England, 2020</em> [Data set]. UK Data Service. <a href="https://doi.org/10.5255/UKDA-SN-9128-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.5255/UKDA-SN-9128-2</a></p><p><br></p><p>Programme for International Student Assessment. (2024, May). Managing screen time: How to protect and equip students against distraction. <em>OECD</em>. <a href="https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2024/05/managing-screen-time_023f2390/7c225af4-en.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2024/05/managing-screen-time_023f2390/7c225af4-en.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>Rosin, H. (2015, December). The Silicon Valley suicides: Why are so many kids with bright prospects killing themselves in Palo Alto? <em>The Atlantic</em>. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/12/the-silicon-valley-suicides/413140/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/12/the-silicon-valley-suicides/413140/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health. (2020, March). Suicide. <em>State of Child Health</em>. <a href="https://stateofchildhealth.rcpch.ac.uk/evidence/mental-health/suicide/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stateofchildhealth.rcpch.ac.uk/evidence/mental-health/suicide/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Sarginson, J., Webb, R. T., Stocks, S. J., Esmail, A., Garg, S., &amp; Ashcroft, D. M. (2017). Temporal trends in antidepressant prescribing to children in UK primary care, 2000–2015. <em>Journal of Affective Disorders</em>, <em>210</em>, 312-318. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jad.2016.12.047" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jad.2016.12.047</a></p><p><br></p><p>Scottish Government. (2024, March 18). Supporting development of a self-harm strategy for Scotland, what does the qualitative evidence tell us? <em>Gov.scot</em>. <a href="https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-development-self-harm-strategy-scotland-qualitative-evidence-tell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-development-self-harm-strategy-scotland-qualitative-evidence-tell/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Thomas, J. F., Temple, J. R., Perez, N., &amp; Rupp, R. (2011). Ethnic and gender disparities in needed adolescent mental health care. <em>Journal of Health Care for the Poor and Underserved</em>, <em>22</em>(1), 101-110. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1353/hpu.2011.0029" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1353/hpu.2011.0029</a></p><p><br></p><p>Townsend, E., Ness, J., Waters, K., Rehman, M., Kapur, N., Clements, C., Geulayov, G., Bale, E., Casey, D., &amp; Hawton, K. (2022). Life problems in children and adolescents who self‐harm: Findings from the multicenter study of self‐harm in England. <em>Child and Adolescent Mental Health</em>, <em>27</em>(4), 352-360. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1111/camh.12544" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1111/camh.12544</a></p><p><br></p><p>U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Minority Health. (n.d.). Mental and behavioral health - American Indians/Alaska Natives. <a href="https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/mental-and-behavioral-health-american-indiansalaska-natives" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/mental-and-behavioral-health-american-indiansalaska-natives</a></p><p><br></p><p>Wong, Y. J., Wang, L., Li, S., &amp; Liu, H. (2017). Circumstances preceding the suicide of Asian Pacific Islander Americans and White Americans. <em>Death Studies</em>, <em>41</em>(5), 311-317. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/07481187.2016.1275888" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1080/07481187.2016.1275888</a></p><p><br></p><p>Zulyniak, S., Wiens, K., Bulloch, A. G. M., Williams, J. V. A., Lukmanji, A., Dores, A. K., Isherwood, L. J., &amp; Patten, S. B. (2021). Increasing rates of youth and adolescent suicide in Canadian women. <em>The Canadian Journal of Psychiatry</em>, <em>67</em>(1), 67-69. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/07067437211017875" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1177/07067437211017875</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/anxious-generation-part-2-social-media-research]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b94b38d0-4e8f-425f-bdf0-a159176f57a5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b94b38d0-4e8f-425f-bdf0-a159176f57a5.mp3" length="55561033" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>248</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>248</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/c1e525f2-2d87-4ca7-b1e0-20db47fa7c53/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>247: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 1): Is There Really a Mental Health Crisis in the U.S.?</title><itunes:title>247: The Anxious Generation Review (Part 1): Is There Really a Mental Health Crisis in the U.S.?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Are we really facing an unprecedented mental health crisis in America, or have we been misreading the data? As parents everywhere grapple with The Anxious Generation's claims that smartphones are rewiring our children's brains, this episode takes a closer look at what the research actually shows about youth mental health trends.

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If you've read the book, you've seen those alarming hockey-stick graphs showing dramatic increases in teen depression and anxiety in teenagers. But what if those "surges" aren't quite what they seem? What if changes in how we diagnose and track mental health conditions are inflating the crisis? And what happens when a community with everything that should protect kids - tight social bonds, involved parents, shared values - still experiences devastating teen suicide rates?

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This deep-dive analysis examines the evidence behind Gen Z mental health claims, investigates whether youth depression statistics show the dramatic surge described in The Anxious Generation, and asks the crucial question: are we fighting the right battle when it comes to protecting our children's wellbeing?

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<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>Is there really a mental health crisis in America?</strong> While youth mental health challenges are real, the "crisis" narrative may be overblown due to changes in diagnostic practices and data collection methods since 2010.

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<strong>When did the mental health crisis start according to The Anxious Generation?</strong> Haidt claims the crisis began between 2010-2015 with smartphone adoption, but the data shows more complex patterns that predate this timeline.

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<strong>What are the signs of youth depression and anxiety that parents should watch for?</strong> The episode explores how reported signs of youth depression and anxiety have increased, but examines whether this reflects actual increases or better identification and reporting. We look at the classic signs of depression and anxiety in teens, as well as what to look for in teens who might 'seem fine.'

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<strong>How many teens have mental health issues compared to previous generations? </strong>Teen mental health statistics show increases, but when examined closely, many changes are smaller than dramatic graphs suggest.

&nbsp;

<strong>What causes anxiety in teenagers beyond social media?</strong> Research shows that other factors may explain larger portions of youth mental health struggles than screen time.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>How changes in diagnostic criteria and healthcare access may have inflated mental health crisis statistics since 2015</li><li>Why teen suicide rates show different patterns than depression rates, and what this means for understanding youth struggles</li><li>The real story behind those alarming youth depression statistics and why context matters when interpreting data</li><li>How academic pressure in high-achieving communities can drive teen mental health problems even without social media</li><li>Why focusing solely on anxiety in teenagers related to screens might miss bigger factors affecting Gen Z mental health</li><li>What signs of youth depression actually tell us about the scope and causes of teen mental health challenges</li><li>How different communities experience and conceptualize mental health struggles in ways that challenge universal assumptions</li><li>Why the timeline of the supposed mental health crisis in the U.S. and elsewhere doesn't align with smartphone adoption as clearly as The Anxious Generation claims</li></ul><br/>
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<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt's Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introduction of today’s episode

01:18 What is The Anxious Generation all about?

08:33 Is there really a mental health crisis among kids?

13:30 Male teen suicide rate in the US look like a sine wave. They peaked in about 1990 and then dropped and are more recently rising again to their 1990 levels

15:38 The determination of depression is done through people reporting their symptoms on a survey, not by therapists or doctors

19:55 There was a really huge change in our support for depression over the years. In 46 million people, almost 18 % of the US population didn’t have health insurance according to 2010

26:00 In one of Haidt’s google docs, he observed the two big jumps in suicides of 10 to14 year-old females in the US, from 66-88 in 2009 and from 85-141 in 2005

27:38 The National Transgender Discrimination survey in the US found that 38% of those assigned male at birth reported a lifetime suicide attempt, and that rate was 44% for those assigned female at birth and identifying as trans

33:18 Latinx Americans with a suicide history were less likely to experience feelings of hopelessness, low self-esteem, and meaninglessness compared to other groups. They often viewed suicide as a way to escape suffering caused by social factors like discrimination, abuse, poverty, and low social status. Research also shows that immigration-related stress and socioeconomic challenges increase suicide risk in this community

42:27 Scientists with the Centers for Disease Control surveyed Palo Alto residents for an epidemiological report and found that residents believed depression and mental health issues academic distress or pressure, disconnection and social isolation, family and cultural pressure and life challenges were the biggest contributors to youth suicide in the town

46:00 I wonder if focusing primarily on teaching children problem-solving, coping skills, and resilience might inadvertently place the responsibility on kids to adapt to overwhelming expectations, rather than prompting us to examine whether our cultural values and systems are truly supporting their well-being

49:52 Some key indicators to look out for when you feel worried that your child may be experiencing depression or anxiety

55:44 Wrapping up the part one of our mini-series on The Anxious Generation

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a>

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City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a>

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Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cprd.com/</a>

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Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people's perceptions of their parents' expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a>

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Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a>

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Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/</a>

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Faverio, M., &amp; Sidoti, O. (2024, December 12). Teens, social media and technology 2024: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat remain widely used among U.S. teens; some say they're on these sites almost constantly. <em>Pew Research Center</em>. <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf</a>

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Garfield, R., Orgera, K., &amp; Damico, A. (2019, January 25). The uninsured and the ACA: A primer - Key facts about health insurance and the uninsured amidst changes to the Affordable Care Act. <em>KFF</em>. <a href="https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/" target="_blank" rel="noopener...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Are we really facing an unprecedented mental health crisis in America, or have we been misreading the data? As parents everywhere grapple with The Anxious Generation's claims that smartphones are rewiring our children's brains, this episode takes a closer look at what the research actually shows about youth mental health trends.

&nbsp;

If you've read the book, you've seen those alarming hockey-stick graphs showing dramatic increases in teen depression and anxiety in teenagers. But what if those "surges" aren't quite what they seem? What if changes in how we diagnose and track mental health conditions are inflating the crisis? And what happens when a community with everything that should protect kids - tight social bonds, involved parents, shared values - still experiences devastating teen suicide rates?

&nbsp;

This deep-dive analysis examines the evidence behind Gen Z mental health claims, investigates whether youth depression statistics show the dramatic surge described in The Anxious Generation, and asks the crucial question: are we fighting the right battle when it comes to protecting our children's wellbeing?

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>Is there really a mental health crisis in America?</strong> While youth mental health challenges are real, the "crisis" narrative may be overblown due to changes in diagnostic practices and data collection methods since 2010.

&nbsp;

<strong>When did the mental health crisis start according to The Anxious Generation?</strong> Haidt claims the crisis began between 2010-2015 with smartphone adoption, but the data shows more complex patterns that predate this timeline.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are the signs of youth depression and anxiety that parents should watch for?</strong> The episode explores how reported signs of youth depression and anxiety have increased, but examines whether this reflects actual increases or better identification and reporting. We look at the classic signs of depression and anxiety in teens, as well as what to look for in teens who might 'seem fine.'

&nbsp;

<strong>How many teens have mental health issues compared to previous generations? </strong>Teen mental health statistics show increases, but when examined closely, many changes are smaller than dramatic graphs suggest.

&nbsp;

<strong>What causes anxiety in teenagers beyond social media?</strong> Research shows that other factors may explain larger portions of youth mental health struggles than screen time.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>How changes in diagnostic criteria and healthcare access may have inflated mental health crisis statistics since 2015</li><li>Why teen suicide rates show different patterns than depression rates, and what this means for understanding youth struggles</li><li>The real story behind those alarming youth depression statistics and why context matters when interpreting data</li><li>How academic pressure in high-achieving communities can drive teen mental health problems even without social media</li><li>Why focusing solely on anxiety in teenagers related to screens might miss bigger factors affecting Gen Z mental health</li><li>What signs of youth depression actually tell us about the scope and causes of teen mental health challenges</li><li>How different communities experience and conceptualize mental health struggles in ways that challenge universal assumptions</li><li>Why the timeline of the supposed mental health crisis in the U.S. and elsewhere doesn't align with smartphone adoption as clearly as The Anxious Generation claims</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. Jonathan Haidt's Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/44rwpHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introduction of today’s episode

01:18 What is The Anxious Generation all about?

08:33 Is there really a mental health crisis among kids?

13:30 Male teen suicide rate in the US look like a sine wave. They peaked in about 1990 and then dropped and are more recently rising again to their 1990 levels

15:38 The determination of depression is done through people reporting their symptoms on a survey, not by therapists or doctors

19:55 There was a really huge change in our support for depression over the years. In 46 million people, almost 18 % of the US population didn’t have health insurance according to 2010

26:00 In one of Haidt’s google docs, he observed the two big jumps in suicides of 10 to14 year-old females in the US, from 66-88 in 2009 and from 85-141 in 2005

27:38 The National Transgender Discrimination survey in the US found that 38% of those assigned male at birth reported a lifetime suicide attempt, and that rate was 44% for those assigned female at birth and identifying as trans

33:18 Latinx Americans with a suicide history were less likely to experience feelings of hopelessness, low self-esteem, and meaninglessness compared to other groups. They often viewed suicide as a way to escape suffering caused by social factors like discrimination, abuse, poverty, and low social status. Research also shows that immigration-related stress and socioeconomic challenges increase suicide risk in this community

42:27 Scientists with the Centers for Disease Control surveyed Palo Alto residents for an epidemiological report and found that residents believed depression and mental health issues academic distress or pressure, disconnection and social isolation, family and cultural pressure and life challenges were the biggest contributors to youth suicide in the town

46:00 I wonder if focusing primarily on teaching children problem-solving, coping skills, and resilience might inadvertently place the responsibility on kids to adapt to overwhelming expectations, rather than prompting us to examine whether our cultural values and systems are truly supporting their well-being

49:52 Some key indicators to look out for when you feel worried that your child may be experiencing depression or anxiety

55:44 Wrapping up the part one of our mini-series on The Anxious Generation

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2016). Epi-Aid 2016-018: Undetermined risk factors for suicide among youth, ages 10–24 — Santa Clara County, CA, 2016. <em>Santa Clara County Public Health Department</em>. <a href="https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/migrated/cdc-samhsa-epi-aid-final-report-scc-phd-2016.pdf</a>

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City of Palo Alto. (2021). <em>City of Palo Alto: Suicide prevention policy and mental health promotion</em> [Draft policy document]. Project Safety Net. <a href="https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.psnyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DRAFT-Palo-Alto-Suicide-Prevention-Policy-and-Mental-Health-Promotion-dT.pdf</a>

<hr />

Clinical Practice Research Datalink. Clinical Practice Research Datalink (CPRD) is a real-world research service supporting retrospective and prospective public health and clinical studies. <em>CPRD</em>. <a href="https://www.cprd.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cprd.com/</a>

<hr />

Curran, T., &amp; Hill, A. P. (2022). Young people's perceptions of their parents' expectations and criticism are increasing over time: Implications for perfectionism. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>148</em>(1-2), 107-128. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000347</a>

<hr />

Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2019, September 13). Long-term trends in suicidal ideation and suicide attempts among adolescents and young adults. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/long-term-trends-suicidal-ideation-suicide-attempts-adolescents-young-adults/</a>

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Evolve's Behavioral Health Content Team. (2020, July 27). Mental health and suicide statistics for teens in Santa Clara County. <em>Evolve Treatment Centers</em>. <a href="https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/mental-health-suicide-santa-clara/</a>

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Faverio, M., &amp; Sidoti, O. (2024, December 12). Teens, social media and technology 2024: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat remain widely used among U.S. teens; some say they're on these sites almost constantly. <em>Pew Research Center</em>. <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PI_2024.12.12_Teens-Social-Media-Tech_REPORT.pdf</a>

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Garfield, R., Orgera, K., &amp; Damico, A. (2019, January 25). The uninsured and the ACA: A primer - Key facts about health insurance and the uninsured amidst changes to the Affordable Care Act. <em>KFF</em>. <a href="https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/</a>

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Gulbas, L. E., &amp; Zayas, L. H. (2015). Examining the interplay among family, culture, and Latina teen suicidal behavior. <em>Qualitative Health Research</em>, <em>25</em>(5), 689-699. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1177/1049732314553598</a>

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Haas, A. P., Rodgers, P. L., &amp; Herman, J. L. (2014, January). Suicide attempts among transgender and gender non-conforming adults: Findings of the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. <em>American Foundation for Suicide Prevention</em> and <em>Williams Institute, UCLA School of Law</em>. <a href="https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf</a>

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Haidt, J., &amp; Rausch, Z. Better mental health [Ongoing open-source literature review]. <em>The Coddling</em>. <a href="https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.thecoddling.com/better-mental-health</a>

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Haidt, J., Rausch, Z., &amp; Twenge, J. (ongoing). <em>Social media and mental health: A collaborative review</em>. Unpublished manuscript, New York University. Accessed at <a href="https://tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview</a>

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Hunt, M., Auriemma, J., &amp; Cashaw, A. C. A. (2003). Self-report bias and underreporting of depression on the BDI-II. <em>Journal of Personality Assessment</em>, <em>80</em>(1), 26-30. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1207/S15327752JPA8001_10</a>

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Johns Hopkins Medicine. Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). <em>Johns Hopkins Medicine</em>. <a href="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd</a>

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Martin, J. L. (2002). Power, authority, and the constraint of belief systems. <em>American Journal of Sociology</em>, <em>107</em>(4), 861-904. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1086/343192" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1086/343192</a>

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Mueller, A. S., &amp; Abrutyn, S. (2024). Addressing the social roots of suicide. In <em>Life Under Pressure</em> (pp. 191-218). Oxford University Press. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780190847845.003.0008" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780190847845.003.0008</a>

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NHS Digital. (2020). <em>Mental health of children and young people in England, 2020</em> [Data set]. UK Data Service. <a href="https://doi.org/10.5255/UKDA-SN-9128-2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.5255/UKDA-SN-9128-2</a>

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Programme for International Student Assessment. (2024, May). Managing screen time: How to protect and equip students against distraction. <em>OECD</em>. <a href="https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2024/05/managing-screen-time_023f2390/7c225af4-en.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2024/05/managing-screen-time_023f2390/7c225af4-en.pdf</a>

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Rosin, H. (2015, December). The Silicon Valley suicides: Why are so many kids with bright prospects killing themselves in Palo Alto? <em>The Atlantic</em>. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/12/the-silicon-valley-suicides/413140/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/12/the-silicon-valley-suicides/413140/</a>

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Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health. (2020, March). Suicide. <em>State of Child Health</em>. <a href="https://stateofchildhealth.rcpch.ac.uk/evidence/mental-health/suicide/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://stateofchildhealth.rcpch.ac.uk/evidence/mental-health/suicide/</a>

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Sarginson, J., Webb, R. T., Stocks, S. J., Esmail, A., Garg, S., &amp; Ashcroft, D. M. (2017). Temporal trends in antidepressant prescribing to children in UK primary care, 2000–2015. <em>Journal of Affective Disorders</em>, <em>210</em>, 312-318. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jad.2016.12.047" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jad.2016.12.047</a>

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Scottish Government. (2024, March 18). Supporting development of a self-harm strategy for Scotland, what does the qualitative evidence tell us? <em>Gov.scot</em>. <a href="https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-development-self-harm-strategy-scotland-qualitative-evidence-tell/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-development-self-harm-strategy-scotland-qualitative-evidence-tell/</a>

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Thomas, J. F., Temple, J. R., Perez, N., &amp; Rupp, R. (2011). Ethnic and gender disparities in needed adolescent mental health care. <em>Journal of Health Care for the Poor and Underserved</em>, <em>22</em>(1), 101-110. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1353/hpu.2011.0029" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1353/hpu.2011.0029</a>

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Townsend, E., Ness, J., Waters, K., Rehman, M., Kapur, N., Clements, C., Geulayov, G., Bale, E., Casey, D., &amp; Hawton, K. (2022). Life problems in children and adolescents who self‐harm: Findings from the multicenter study of self‐harm in England. <em>Child and Adolescent Mental Health</em>, <em>27</em>(4), 352-360. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1111/camh.12544" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1111/camh.12544</a>

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Wong, Y. J., Wang, L., Li, S., &amp; Liu, H. (2017). Circumstances preceding the suicide of Asian Pacific Islander Americans and White Americans. <em>Death Studies</em>, <em>41</em>(5), 311-317. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/07481187.2016.1275888" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1080/07481187.2016.1275888</a>

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Zulyniak, S., Wiens, K., Bulloch, A. G. M., Williams, J. V. A., Lukmanji, A., Dores, A. K., Isherwood, L. J., &amp; Patten, S. B. (2021). Increasing rates of youth and adolescent suicide in Canadian women. <em>The Canadian Journal of Psychiatry</em>, <em>67</em>(1), 67-69. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/07067437211017875" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1177/07067437211017875</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/anxious-generation-review-mental-health-crisis-america]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ea41e34b-3e50-4b41-ab07-a3422509d767</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ea41e34b-3e50-4b41-ab07-a3422509d767.mp3" length="59742025" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>247</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>247</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d856bf26-379e-4d88-ab03-cd4156aaa7fe/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>246: My Parenting Feels Off Track: Reparenting Helps You Find Your Way Back</title><itunes:title>246: My Parenting Feels Off Track: Reparenting Helps You Find Your Way Back</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you ever feel like your parenting is completely off track from where you want it to be? You promise yourself you won't yell, then find yourself yelling at your kids before breakfast.

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You intend to be patient and present, but end up getting distracted by your phone, or snapping at your child. This disconnect between your parenting intentions and reality can leave you feeling guilty, ashamed, and afraid that you're passing on intergenerational trauma despite your best efforts.

&nbsp;

In this episode, we reveal the origins of our harsh inner critic and how cultural expectations set parents up for struggle. You'll discover practical reparenting techniques, step-by-step self-compassion exercises, and how recognizing your emotional triggers can transform your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

This isn't about perfect parenting - it's about healing your own childhood wounds through a process called <em>reparenting,</em> so you can break intergenerational patterns and build the connection with your child you've always wanted.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>How can I identify and manage my emotional triggers in parenting?</strong>

Emotional triggers often originate from unhealed childhood experiences. Notice when you have outsized reactions to your child's behavior—these point to areas needing healing. The episode offers a self-compassion exercise to help you treat yourself with the same kindness that you treat others. Creating space between trigger and reaction allows you to respond intentionally rather than reactively.

&nbsp;

<strong>How does my inner critic affect my ability to parent effectively?</strong>

Your inner critic—which is often a voice of your parent/caregiver—triggers shame spirals that make it harder to parent effectively. It damages your relationship with yourself and teaches your children to develop their own harsh inner critics. Through reparenting, you can recognize this voice isn't truly yours, but one you absorbed from your environment. Learning to quiet this voice creates space for authentic connection with your child and breaks intergenerational trauma patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>What is reparenting and how can it help my relationship with my child?</strong>

Reparenting is giving yourself what your parents couldn't provide during your childhood. It involves a five-step process: becoming aware of your patterns, accepting them without judgment, validating your childhood experiences, reframing your beliefs, and taking action to reinforce new patterns. When you heal your own emotional wounds through reparenting, you become more capable of meeting your child's needs without being triggered.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I break intergenerational trauma patterns in my parenting?</strong>

Breaking intergenerational trauma starts with awareness of the patterns you inherited. Practice self-compassion exercises when triggered rather than self-criticism. Use the reparenting process to heal your own childhood wounds. Find supportive community to help you recognize when old patterns emerge. Each time you respond differently to your child than your parents did to you, you're disrupting the cycle of intergenerational trauma.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can self-compassion exercises really help when I'm triggered with my kids?</strong>

Yes, self-compassion exercises are powerful tools for managing parenting triggers. Dr. Susan Pollak's three-step self-compassion exercise can create the mental space needed to respond differently: acknowledge the difficulty ("This is hard"), remember your common humanity ("Other parents struggle with this too"), and offer yourself kindness ("What do I need right now?"). Regular practice builds your capacity to access self-compassion even in intense trigger moments.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>How to identify your emotional triggers in parenting and their connection to intergenerational trauma</li><li>A practical three-step self-compassion exercise for managing triggered moments with your children</li><li>The complete five-step reparenting process to heal your own childhood wounds</li><li>How schema therapy concepts explain the origins of your parenting triggers</li><li>Why intergenerational trauma persists and specific practices to break the cycle</li><li>Step-by-step self-compassion exercises you can practice daily to build emotional resilience</li><li>How traditional parenting tools can unintentionally continue the cycle of intergenerational trauma</li><li>Practical reparenting techniques to meet both your needs and your child's needs simultaneously</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>FAQs</h2>
<strong>How do I know if I'm dealing with intergenerational trauma in my parenting?</strong>

Signs of intergenerational trauma in parenting include having intense emotional reactions that feel disproportionate to the situation, finding yourself saying things your parents said to you despite promising yourself you wouldn't, or noticing patterns of behavior that resemble how you were parented. The good news is awareness is the first step in breaking these patterns, and reparenting techniques can help you heal.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's the difference between reparenting and regular parenting skills?</strong>

Reparenting focuses on healing your own childhood wounds by meeting needs that weren't met when you were young. Traditional parenting tools focus primarily on changing your child's behavior. Reparenting addresses the root causes of your emotional triggers, allowing you to show up more authentically with your child.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I practice self-compassion when I think I've failed as a parent?</strong>

Start with a simple self-compassion exercise: put your hand on your heart, acknowledge the pain ("This feels really hard right now"), remember you're not alone ("Many parents struggle with this"), and offer yourself kindness ("I'm doing my best in a difficult situation"). Regular practice of self-compassion exercises builds your capacity to extend compassion to yourself even in moments of perceived failure.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can I really change deep emotional triggers if they're connected to childhood trauma?</strong>

Yes, you can change your response to emotional triggers through consistent reparenting practice and self-compassion. The five-step reparenting process helps you recognize triggers, understand their origins in your own childhood, and develop new responses. This work takes time and often benefits from community support, but thousands of parents have successfully reduced their triggering and broken intergenerational trauma patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I start reparenting myself if I don't even know what I needed as a child?</strong>

Begin by noticing when you're triggered with your child—these moments often reveal exactly what you needed and didn't receive. Pay attention to your emotional reactions and physical sensations when parenting feels hard. Try this self-compassion exercise: when triggered, ask yourself, "What did I need in similar situations as a child?" Then imagine giving that very thing to your younger self. Community support can also help you identify unmet childhood needs that may not be immediately obvious to you.

&nbsp;

If you want help to break down the changes you want to make into tiny manageable steps and be held (gently!) accountable for taking them (or adjusting course if needed…), we’d love to have you join the group of likeminded parents in the membership.

&nbsp;

Get the information you need and the support to actually implement it, all in what members call “the least judgmental corner of the internet.”

&nbsp;

The The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">122: Self-Compassion for Parents</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/praise-impact-child-development-research/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">245: Does praise help or hurt your child? What research actually shows</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:54 Introduction of today’s episode

04:25 These difficult moments don't define you as a parent or prove you're doing something wrong. Parents everywhere, regardless of background, culture, or family structure, experience this same disconnect between who they want to be and how they actually respond when things get challenging

05:18 Self-compassion can actually create some breathing room that we parent desperately need rather that continuing the pattern with shame and self-criticism. Self-compassion allows us to hold our struggles with kindness and self-compassion isn't just something to make us feel better about ourselves. We can actually think of it as a circuit breaker for our brain that allows us to respond differently next time

13:53 When your self-critical voice takes over and tells you to shape your child's behavior, you risk losing your connection with them. That's why things seem like they're off track, because if they were on track, you would feel close to each other

15:40 Three-step process that Dr. Pollak uses to access some self-compassion in difficult moments

17:48 The deepest human need that we all share is to be truly seen and accepted for who we are, not for our achievements or for our good behavior, but for our whole authentic selves

22:39 One of the most powerful discoveries Jen have made in her parenting journey is that raising children...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you ever feel like your parenting is completely off track from where you want it to be? You promise yourself you won't yell, then find yourself yelling at your kids before breakfast.

&nbsp;

You intend to be patient and present, but end up getting distracted by your phone, or snapping at your child. This disconnect between your parenting intentions and reality can leave you feeling guilty, ashamed, and afraid that you're passing on intergenerational trauma despite your best efforts.

&nbsp;

In this episode, we reveal the origins of our harsh inner critic and how cultural expectations set parents up for struggle. You'll discover practical reparenting techniques, step-by-step self-compassion exercises, and how recognizing your emotional triggers can transform your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

This isn't about perfect parenting - it's about healing your own childhood wounds through a process called <em>reparenting,</em> so you can break intergenerational patterns and build the connection with your child you've always wanted.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>How can I identify and manage my emotional triggers in parenting?</strong>

Emotional triggers often originate from unhealed childhood experiences. Notice when you have outsized reactions to your child's behavior—these point to areas needing healing. The episode offers a self-compassion exercise to help you treat yourself with the same kindness that you treat others. Creating space between trigger and reaction allows you to respond intentionally rather than reactively.

&nbsp;

<strong>How does my inner critic affect my ability to parent effectively?</strong>

Your inner critic—which is often a voice of your parent/caregiver—triggers shame spirals that make it harder to parent effectively. It damages your relationship with yourself and teaches your children to develop their own harsh inner critics. Through reparenting, you can recognize this voice isn't truly yours, but one you absorbed from your environment. Learning to quiet this voice creates space for authentic connection with your child and breaks intergenerational trauma patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>What is reparenting and how can it help my relationship with my child?</strong>

Reparenting is giving yourself what your parents couldn't provide during your childhood. It involves a five-step process: becoming aware of your patterns, accepting them without judgment, validating your childhood experiences, reframing your beliefs, and taking action to reinforce new patterns. When you heal your own emotional wounds through reparenting, you become more capable of meeting your child's needs without being triggered.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I break intergenerational trauma patterns in my parenting?</strong>

Breaking intergenerational trauma starts with awareness of the patterns you inherited. Practice self-compassion exercises when triggered rather than self-criticism. Use the reparenting process to heal your own childhood wounds. Find supportive community to help you recognize when old patterns emerge. Each time you respond differently to your child than your parents did to you, you're disrupting the cycle of intergenerational trauma.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can self-compassion exercises really help when I'm triggered with my kids?</strong>

Yes, self-compassion exercises are powerful tools for managing parenting triggers. Dr. Susan Pollak's three-step self-compassion exercise can create the mental space needed to respond differently: acknowledge the difficulty ("This is hard"), remember your common humanity ("Other parents struggle with this too"), and offer yourself kindness ("What do I need right now?"). Regular practice builds your capacity to access self-compassion even in intense trigger moments.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>How to identify your emotional triggers in parenting and their connection to intergenerational trauma</li><li>A practical three-step self-compassion exercise for managing triggered moments with your children</li><li>The complete five-step reparenting process to heal your own childhood wounds</li><li>How schema therapy concepts explain the origins of your parenting triggers</li><li>Why intergenerational trauma persists and specific practices to break the cycle</li><li>Step-by-step self-compassion exercises you can practice daily to build emotional resilience</li><li>How traditional parenting tools can unintentionally continue the cycle of intergenerational trauma</li><li>Practical reparenting techniques to meet both your needs and your child's needs simultaneously</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>FAQs</h2>
<strong>How do I know if I'm dealing with intergenerational trauma in my parenting?</strong>

Signs of intergenerational trauma in parenting include having intense emotional reactions that feel disproportionate to the situation, finding yourself saying things your parents said to you despite promising yourself you wouldn't, or noticing patterns of behavior that resemble how you were parented. The good news is awareness is the first step in breaking these patterns, and reparenting techniques can help you heal.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's the difference between reparenting and regular parenting skills?</strong>

Reparenting focuses on healing your own childhood wounds by meeting needs that weren't met when you were young. Traditional parenting tools focus primarily on changing your child's behavior. Reparenting addresses the root causes of your emotional triggers, allowing you to show up more authentically with your child.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I practice self-compassion when I think I've failed as a parent?</strong>

Start with a simple self-compassion exercise: put your hand on your heart, acknowledge the pain ("This feels really hard right now"), remember you're not alone ("Many parents struggle with this"), and offer yourself kindness ("I'm doing my best in a difficult situation"). Regular practice of self-compassion exercises builds your capacity to extend compassion to yourself even in moments of perceived failure.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can I really change deep emotional triggers if they're connected to childhood trauma?</strong>

Yes, you can change your response to emotional triggers through consistent reparenting practice and self-compassion. The five-step reparenting process helps you recognize triggers, understand their origins in your own childhood, and develop new responses. This work takes time and often benefits from community support, but thousands of parents have successfully reduced their triggering and broken intergenerational trauma patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I start reparenting myself if I don't even know what I needed as a child?</strong>

Begin by noticing when you're triggered with your child—these moments often reveal exactly what you needed and didn't receive. Pay attention to your emotional reactions and physical sensations when parenting feels hard. Try this self-compassion exercise: when triggered, ask yourself, "What did I need in similar situations as a child?" Then imagine giving that very thing to your younger self. Community support can also help you identify unmet childhood needs that may not be immediately obvious to you.

&nbsp;

If you want help to break down the changes you want to make into tiny manageable steps and be held (gently!) accountable for taking them (or adjusting course if needed…), we’d love to have you join the group of likeminded parents in the membership.

&nbsp;

Get the information you need and the support to actually implement it, all in what members call “the least judgmental corner of the internet.”

&nbsp;

The The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">122: Self-Compassion for Parents</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/praise-impact-child-development-research/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">245: Does praise help or hurt your child? What research actually shows</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:54 Introduction of today’s episode

04:25 These difficult moments don't define you as a parent or prove you're doing something wrong. Parents everywhere, regardless of background, culture, or family structure, experience this same disconnect between who they want to be and how they actually respond when things get challenging

05:18 Self-compassion can actually create some breathing room that we parent desperately need rather that continuing the pattern with shame and self-criticism. Self-compassion allows us to hold our struggles with kindness and self-compassion isn't just something to make us feel better about ourselves. We can actually think of it as a circuit breaker for our brain that allows us to respond differently next time

13:53 When your self-critical voice takes over and tells you to shape your child's behavior, you risk losing your connection with them. That's why things seem like they're off track, because if they were on track, you would feel close to each other

15:40 Three-step process that Dr. Pollak uses to access some self-compassion in difficult moments

17:48 The deepest human need that we all share is to be truly seen and accepted for who we are, not for our achievements or for our good behavior, but for our whole authentic selves

22:39 One of the most powerful discoveries Jen have made in her parenting journey is that raising children gives us a huge opportunity to heal ourselves

23:46 Five main categories of schemas that affect how we see ourselves and others

26:40 Five-step process that we can use, that is drawn from schema therapy.

32:53 What Jenny experienced in the ACTion group and how it changes her parenting strategies

35:40 What advice would Elyse offer for a parent who has joined the membership and who hasn’t sure how to engage with all the resources available

38:07 Stephanie’s experiences in the ACTion group

41:20 An open invitation for Parenting Membership

42:58 Wrapping up the discussion]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting-off-track-reparenting-self-compassion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">21b99802-7ef4-4825-baaa-ccfd89f0e525</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/21b99802-7ef4-4825-baaa-ccfd89f0e525.mp3" length="45394633" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>246</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>246</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/ac649dfe-30f5-4e72-9300-e54a25d38c9b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: Finding Your Parenting Village: How Community Support Changes Everything at Home</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: Finding Your Parenting Village: How Community Support Changes Everything at Home</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Are you tired of facing family challenges alone? In this powerful episode, we witness the transformative journey of two parents who discovered that joining a parenting support group can change everything at home.

&nbsp;

Parenting wasn't meant to be a solo journey. When sleep deprivation, communication struggles with partners, and children's big emotions become overwhelming family challenges, the right parenting support group makes all the difference. This episode shows how connecting with a supportive parenting community helped transform 45-minute tantrums into 10-minute conversations, restore sleep after years of exhaustion, and address family communication challenges in ways that parenting books alone never could.

&nbsp;

Now, more than ever, we need each other. In this re-released episode from two years ago, you'll hear authentic stories that will inspire you to find your own parenting support group and experience the profound changes that happen when parents help each other overcome family challenges.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>How can I find a parenting support group when I don't have family nearby?</strong>

Distance from extended family doesn't mean you must face family challenges alone. This episode demonstrates how intentional parenting support groups can provide even more targeted help than your actual family. You'll learn how to connect with parents who share your values and family challenges, not just parents who happen to live close to you. These parenting support groups create meaningful connections that provide practical help, emotional support, and accountability.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I find a parenting support group with members who won't judge me?</strong>

Finding non-judgmental parenting support begins with seeking communities built on mutual understanding rather than competition. This episode shows how specialized parenting support groups create safe spaces where you can share family challenges honestly - even showing up in tears or looking completely exhausted - without fear of judgment.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can a parenting support group really help with my child's emotional outbursts?</strong>

Yes! When parents learn tools like radical listening through supportive parenting groups, children's emotional regulation challenges improve dramatically. This episode demonstrates how one parent reduced tantrum duration from 45 minutes to just 10 minutes by applying techniques learned in her parenting support group.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I balance everyone's needs when family challenges leave me exhausted?</strong>

Meeting everyone's needs begins with recognizing your own. This episode reveals how a parenting support group provides permission to prioritize self-care (especially sleep) as the foundation for better addressing your family challenges, including your children's and partner's needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can a parenting support group help with partner communication challenges?</strong>

Absolutely. You'll hear how a parenting support group helped identify and address difficult family communication patterns where one partner was agreeing to things they didn't want just to end discussions. Now the partners have an effective framework for honestly communicating about family challenges and needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's more valuable for addressing family challenges - parenting courses or a parenting support group?</strong>

While quality parenting information matters, this episode reveals how the combination of both creates the most powerful approach to family challenges. You'll hear how structured parenting support groups help you actually implement tools you learn, rather than just collecting more information about family challenges.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>Practical ways to find and build your own parenting support group</li><li>How parenting support groups transform sleep challenges through accountability and permission for self-care</li><li>The power of techniques learned in parenting support groups to dramatically reduce children's emotional outbursts</li><li>Methods for improving partner communication about parenting decisions and family challenges</li><li>Why vulnerability in parenting support groups creates stronger families</li><li>How to move beyond parenting advice to create lasting transformation of family challenges</li><li>What happens when parenting support group members invest in each other's success rather than competing</li><li>The surprising ways parenting support groups free up energy for better addressing family challenges</li><li>Why small, intentional parenting support groups create deeper change than large forums</li><li>How to recognize when you need support for family challenges and actually receive it effectively</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Frequently Asked Questions</h2>
<strong>What is a parenting support group and why do I need one for family challenges?</strong>

A parenting support group is a community of other parents who provide emotional support, practical advice, and accountability for addressing family challenges. Unlike most online parenting forums, an intentional parenting support group helps you implement tools consistently, validates your struggles with family challenges, and creates space for growth. Research shows parents with strong parenting support networks experience less stress and make more consistent decisions when facing family challenges.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can parenting support groups help with sleep deprivation challenges?</strong>

Parenting support groups provide accountability, permission for self-care, and practical tools for sleep challenges. When you share your sleep-related family challenges with supportive parents, you're more likely to prioritize your rest needs, implement consistent routines, and identify strategies that work for your family's specific situation.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I find the right parenting support group for my specific family challenges?</strong>

Finding the right parenting support group involves looking for communities aligned with your values, moderated by experienced facilitators, and structured for meaningful connection. Seek parenting support groups where members share family challenges openly without judgment, offer experience-based support rather than just advice, and create consistent opportunities for deeper connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can parenting support groups really improve relationship challenges with my partner?</strong>

Yes, quality parenting support groups can transform partner relationships by identifying communication patterns, providing tools for expressing needs clearly, and creating frameworks for resolving parenting disagreements and family challenges.

&nbsp;

<strong>What makes small parenting support groups more effective than large online forums for family challenges?</strong>

Small parenting support groups create psychological safety through consistent membership, deeper relationships, and personalized support for family challenges. Unlike large forums where advice comes from strangers, small parenting support groups allow members to understand each family's unique context, provide relevant suggestions for specific family challenges, and offer accountability over time, leading to more sustained positive changes.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can parenting support groups help with the unique family challenges of raising a child with special needs?</strong>

Specialized parenting support groups are particularly valuable for parents facing the family challenges of raising children with special needs or unique situations. These parenting support groups connect you with others confronting similar family challenges, provide specialized knowledge beyond general parenting advice, and offer understanding that may not be available in your geographic community.

&nbsp;

If you want help to break down the changes you want to make into tiny manageable steps and be held (gently!) accountable for taking them (or adjusting course if needed…), we’d love to have you join the group of likeminded parents in the membership.

&nbsp;

Get the information you need and the support to actually implement it, all in what members call “the least judgmental corner of the internet.”

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

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<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:54 Introduction of today’s episode

03:23 Jenny and Emma came up with the idea to record an episode for the podcast to talk about how their parenting has changed over the last year

04:30 Emma wasn’t having major problems, but wanted to be prepared for the challenges that may happen down the road

05:23 Jenny was struggling because she hadn’t had a full night’s sleep in 4 ½ years…and now prioritizes herself through the support of Emma and the members of the ACTion group

08:50 Because Emma is a high achiever, she imagined parenthood to be a breeze

10:45 Jenny believed that if you are prepared and serene, and you bring this calm energy to your pregnancy, you will have an easy child

13:36 The lack of understanding of our values is what causes us to be conflicted about becoming parents

15:41 Our child’s big feelings are their way of letting us know that they are not okay.

20:10 It's great to have a community who we can trust, and who will support and respect our values

22:40 The ACTion group conversation once a week gives parents a foundation to parent more intentionally

25:00 Emma used the problem-solving method to find a solution for her child's resistance during nail cutting by trying to hypothesize her child’s feelings.

29:37 Needs can be met when you remove the ‘shoulds.’

31:12 Emma’s parenting has...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Are you tired of facing family challenges alone? In this powerful episode, we witness the transformative journey of two parents who discovered that joining a parenting support group can change everything at home.

&nbsp;

Parenting wasn't meant to be a solo journey. When sleep deprivation, communication struggles with partners, and children's big emotions become overwhelming family challenges, the right parenting support group makes all the difference. This episode shows how connecting with a supportive parenting community helped transform 45-minute tantrums into 10-minute conversations, restore sleep after years of exhaustion, and address family communication challenges in ways that parenting books alone never could.

&nbsp;

Now, more than ever, we need each other. In this re-released episode from two years ago, you'll hear authentic stories that will inspire you to find your own parenting support group and experience the profound changes that happen when parents help each other overcome family challenges.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>How can I find a parenting support group when I don't have family nearby?</strong>

Distance from extended family doesn't mean you must face family challenges alone. This episode demonstrates how intentional parenting support groups can provide even more targeted help than your actual family. You'll learn how to connect with parents who share your values and family challenges, not just parents who happen to live close to you. These parenting support groups create meaningful connections that provide practical help, emotional support, and accountability.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I find a parenting support group with members who won't judge me?</strong>

Finding non-judgmental parenting support begins with seeking communities built on mutual understanding rather than competition. This episode shows how specialized parenting support groups create safe spaces where you can share family challenges honestly - even showing up in tears or looking completely exhausted - without fear of judgment.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can a parenting support group really help with my child's emotional outbursts?</strong>

Yes! When parents learn tools like radical listening through supportive parenting groups, children's emotional regulation challenges improve dramatically. This episode demonstrates how one parent reduced tantrum duration from 45 minutes to just 10 minutes by applying techniques learned in her parenting support group.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I balance everyone's needs when family challenges leave me exhausted?</strong>

Meeting everyone's needs begins with recognizing your own. This episode reveals how a parenting support group provides permission to prioritize self-care (especially sleep) as the foundation for better addressing your family challenges, including your children's and partner's needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can a parenting support group help with partner communication challenges?</strong>

Absolutely. You'll hear how a parenting support group helped identify and address difficult family communication patterns where one partner was agreeing to things they didn't want just to end discussions. Now the partners have an effective framework for honestly communicating about family challenges and needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's more valuable for addressing family challenges - parenting courses or a parenting support group?</strong>

While quality parenting information matters, this episode reveals how the combination of both creates the most powerful approach to family challenges. You'll hear how structured parenting support groups help you actually implement tools you learn, rather than just collecting more information about family challenges.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
<ul><li>Practical ways to find and build your own parenting support group</li><li>How parenting support groups transform sleep challenges through accountability and permission for self-care</li><li>The power of techniques learned in parenting support groups to dramatically reduce children's emotional outbursts</li><li>Methods for improving partner communication about parenting decisions and family challenges</li><li>Why vulnerability in parenting support groups creates stronger families</li><li>How to move beyond parenting advice to create lasting transformation of family challenges</li><li>What happens when parenting support group members invest in each other's success rather than competing</li><li>The surprising ways parenting support groups free up energy for better addressing family challenges</li><li>Why small, intentional parenting support groups create deeper change than large forums</li><li>How to recognize when you need support for family challenges and actually receive it effectively</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Frequently Asked Questions</h2>
<strong>What is a parenting support group and why do I need one for family challenges?</strong>

A parenting support group is a community of other parents who provide emotional support, practical advice, and accountability for addressing family challenges. Unlike most online parenting forums, an intentional parenting support group helps you implement tools consistently, validates your struggles with family challenges, and creates space for growth. Research shows parents with strong parenting support networks experience less stress and make more consistent decisions when facing family challenges.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can parenting support groups help with sleep deprivation challenges?</strong>

Parenting support groups provide accountability, permission for self-care, and practical tools for sleep challenges. When you share your sleep-related family challenges with supportive parents, you're more likely to prioritize your rest needs, implement consistent routines, and identify strategies that work for your family's specific situation.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I find the right parenting support group for my specific family challenges?</strong>

Finding the right parenting support group involves looking for communities aligned with your values, moderated by experienced facilitators, and structured for meaningful connection. Seek parenting support groups where members share family challenges openly without judgment, offer experience-based support rather than just advice, and create consistent opportunities for deeper connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can parenting support groups really improve relationship challenges with my partner?</strong>

Yes, quality parenting support groups can transform partner relationships by identifying communication patterns, providing tools for expressing needs clearly, and creating frameworks for resolving parenting disagreements and family challenges.

&nbsp;

<strong>What makes small parenting support groups more effective than large online forums for family challenges?</strong>

Small parenting support groups create psychological safety through consistent membership, deeper relationships, and personalized support for family challenges. Unlike large forums where advice comes from strangers, small parenting support groups allow members to understand each family's unique context, provide relevant suggestions for specific family challenges, and offer accountability over time, leading to more sustained positive changes.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can parenting support groups help with the unique family challenges of raising a child with special needs?</strong>

Specialized parenting support groups are particularly valuable for parents facing the family challenges of raising children with special needs or unique situations. These parenting support groups connect you with others confronting similar family challenges, provide specialized knowledge beyond general parenting advice, and offer understanding that may not be available in your geographic community.

&nbsp;

If you want help to break down the changes you want to make into tiny manageable steps and be held (gently!) accountable for taking them (or adjusting course if needed…), we’d love to have you join the group of likeminded parents in the membership.

&nbsp;

Get the information you need and the support to actually implement it, all in what members call “the least judgmental corner of the internet.”

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:54 Introduction of today’s episode

03:23 Jenny and Emma came up with the idea to record an episode for the podcast to talk about how their parenting has changed over the last year

04:30 Emma wasn’t having major problems, but wanted to be prepared for the challenges that may happen down the road

05:23 Jenny was struggling because she hadn’t had a full night’s sleep in 4 ½ years…and now prioritizes herself through the support of Emma and the members of the ACTion group

08:50 Because Emma is a high achiever, she imagined parenthood to be a breeze

10:45 Jenny believed that if you are prepared and serene, and you bring this calm energy to your pregnancy, you will have an easy child

13:36 The lack of understanding of our values is what causes us to be conflicted about becoming parents

15:41 Our child’s big feelings are their way of letting us know that they are not okay.

20:10 It's great to have a community who we can trust, and who will support and respect our values

22:40 The ACTion group conversation once a week gives parents a foundation to parent more intentionally

25:00 Emma used the problem-solving method to find a solution for her child's resistance during nail cutting by trying to hypothesize her child’s feelings.

29:37 Needs can be met when you remove the ‘shoulds.’

31:12 Emma’s parenting has been a lot less tense over the past year and a half, which was a wonderful surprise

32:45 Jenny saw big changes when she used a deep listening technique with her son during an episode of intense anger and frustration

35:03 Talking about how Parenting Membership change Jenny’s life

46:40 It's life-changing to see a profound change in our children and ourselves when both of our needs are fulfilled]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting-community-support-family-transformation]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d8ba1fd5-323f-4f65-8c7b-04fdc8efd4dc</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d8ba1fd5-323f-4f65-8c7b-04fdc8efd4dc.mp3" length="73499401" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/036bc763-fbdb-48e6-b221-d3a4a406b249/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>245: Does praise help or hurt your child? What research actually shows</title><itunes:title>245: Does praise help or hurt your child? What research actually shows</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p>Most parents believe praise is an essential tool for raising confident, well-behaved children. We've been told to "catch them being good" and "focus on the positive." But what if our well-intentioned praise is actually functioning as a subtle form of control? What if praise isn't just celebrating who our children are, but secretly shaping them into who we—or society—want them to become?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode, we'll examine how praise affects children's self-concept, motivation, and behavior. We'll explore research on praise's effects, reflect on our own experiences with praise growing up, and draw on philosophical ideas to understand praise as a tool of power that teaches children to internalize social norms and regulate their own behavior. We'll also learn new tools to create more authentic relationships with our children and helping them develop true autonomy.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Click here to download the list of 55 Ways to Support, Encourage, and Celebrate Your Child Without Praise<strong>Is praise harmful to children?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Praise can function as a form of control, establishing a conditional relationship where your approval depends on your child's actions. The underlying message becomes: "I'm excited about you when you do what I want." This contradicts what children need to flourish: unconditional love and acceptance for who they are, not what they do.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>What's the difference between praise and appreciation?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Praise is evaluative language that judges a person's actions or character as "good" or "bad." Appreciation focuses on the impact someone's actions had on you personally. For example, instead of "good job setting the table," try "Thank you for setting the table—I really appreciate not having to do it myself."</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Does praise help motivate children?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Research on praise's effects is mixed. Some studies suggest rewards undermine intrinsic motivation, while others indicate they can help establish habits. The more important question isn't whether praise works to change behavior in the short term, but what it teaches children about themselves and their worth in the long term.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>How does praise affect a child's development?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Praise can create dependency on external validation. Many adults who received substantial praise as children become reluctant to attempt things they aren't already good at for fear of not receiving praise or worse, receiving criticism. This is often where perfectionism emerges—not from high standards but from fear that without perfection, they won't be valued or loved.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>You'll discover what praise actually is and recognize when you might be praising your child without realizing it. Praise includes evaluative language like "good job," "you're so smart," or "I'm proud of you," and is typically given with the intention of encouraging children to repeat behaviors.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>You'll explore how praise functions as more than just emotional encouragement—it operates as a form of social control. When we praise children for certain behaviors, we're teaching them what society values and expects, defining what's "normal" and desirable.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>You'll understand how children internalize our surveillance through praise. They begin monitoring themselves according to external standards rather than developing their own internal value system.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>You'll learn practical alternatives to praise, including genuine appreciation that acknowledges specific actions and their impact, curiosity about your child's experiences and perspectives, and connection based on truly seeing your child rather than evaluating their behavior or person.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>Frequently Asked Questions</h2><p><strong>Will my child still behave well if I stop praising them?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>When we relinquish our role as judges and evaluators of our children's worth, we free them to become their authentic selves. Moving beyond praise creates space for genuine connection based on understanding needs and discovering creative approaches to meeting both your needs and your child's needs.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>What can I say instead of "good job"?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Instead of evaluative praise, you can describe what you observe ("You gave Mario half the cookie, and now he's smiling!"), ask thoughtful questions about what aspects of their project they found most satisfying, or express genuine appreciation for how their actions affected you.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>How do I know if I'm praising or appreciating my child?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Appreciation focuses on the effect your child's action had on you rather than evaluating their character. Avoid labels like "You're so thoughtful" and instead express how their action made you feel or helped you.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Do children need praise to feel loved?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Children need to experience unconditional love and acceptance for who they are, not what they do. They need to know you're excited about them regardless of their performance or behavior.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><ul><li><strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/manners/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">042: How to Teach a Child to Use Manners</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/youngfemininity/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">159: Supporting Girls’ Relationships with Dr. Marnina Gonick</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healthyboys/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">050: How to Raise Emotionally Healthy Boys</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/masculinities/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">161: New Masculinities for Older Boys with Dr. Michael Kehler &amp; Caroline Brunet</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/><p><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:46 Introduction of today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>03:28 Definition of praise</p><p><br></p><p>05:47 When we use praise as a tool to make our children repeat behaviors we want, we're still trying to control them, just with a nicer voice and smile. We've changed our approach but not our fundamental goal of managing their actions</p><p><br></p><p>11:58 Just because you get what you need from an interaction doesn't mean the other person feels equally satisfied</p><p><br></p><p>15:12 Our dependency on external validation affects our parenting and risks creating the same dependency in our children through praise</p><p><br></p><p>24:48 When we look beyond whether praise gets children to complete chores or affects their motivation, we discover how it fundamentally shapes their relationship with authority and their sense of autonomy. Philosopher Michel Foucault's concept of "normalizing judgment" shows that praise functions as more than just encouragement. It establishes power dynamics between parents and children</p><p><br></p><p>27:58 Self-determination theory, which helps us to see on a step-by-step basis, how we develop motivation to do specific tasks</p><p><br></p><p>32:00 Current parenting advice favors specific over generic praise. This approach is used as positive reinforcement to encourage children to repeat the praised behavior</p><p><br></p><p>34:50 Belgian researchers Bart Soenens and Maarten Vansteenkiste identified four adolescent response patterns to perceived parental control, including rule enforcement, punishments, and conditional rewards or praise</p><p><br></p><p>43:45 Researchers concluded that toddler defiance often reflects healthy autonomy and independence, not poor parenting, while ignoring parents is linked more to children of depressed, less responsive mothers</p><p><br></p><p>49:09 Behaviorists view praise as reinforcement encouraging repeated behavior, but McHugh argues it’s more; it reflects authority, shaping which behaviors and qualities are deemed worthy of recognition in children</p><p><br></p><p>01:00:27 Wrapping up the discussion</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>References</strong></p><p><br></p><p>McHugh, H. (2025). From oppressive to progressive praise: How, why, and when to praise in conditions of oppression. Journal of Progressive Education, 12(3), 145-162.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Corpus, J. H., Ogle, C. M., &amp; Love-Geiger, K. E. (2006). The effects of social-comparison versus mastery praise on children's intrinsic motivation. Motivation and Emotion, 30(4), 333-343. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s11031-006-9039-4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1007/s11031-006-9039-4</a></p><p><br></p><p>Soenens, B., &amp; Vansteenkiste, M. (2020). Taking adolescents' agency in socialization seriously: The role of appraisals and cognitive-behavioral responses in autonomy-relevant parenting. New Directions for...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p>Most parents believe praise is an essential tool for raising confident, well-behaved children. We've been told to "catch them being good" and "focus on the positive." But what if our well-intentioned praise is actually functioning as a subtle form of control? What if praise isn't just celebrating who our children are, but secretly shaping them into who we—or society—want them to become?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode, we'll examine how praise affects children's self-concept, motivation, and behavior. We'll explore research on praise's effects, reflect on our own experiences with praise growing up, and draw on philosophical ideas to understand praise as a tool of power that teaches children to internalize social norms and regulate their own behavior. We'll also learn new tools to create more authentic relationships with our children and helping them develop true autonomy.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Click here to download the list of 55 Ways to Support, Encourage, and Celebrate Your Child Without Praise<strong>Is praise harmful to children?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Praise can function as a form of control, establishing a conditional relationship where your approval depends on your child's actions. The underlying message becomes: "I'm excited about you when you do what I want." This contradicts what children need to flourish: unconditional love and acceptance for who they are, not what they do.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>What's the difference between praise and appreciation?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Praise is evaluative language that judges a person's actions or character as "good" or "bad." Appreciation focuses on the impact someone's actions had on you personally. For example, instead of "good job setting the table," try "Thank you for setting the table—I really appreciate not having to do it myself."</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Does praise help motivate children?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Research on praise's effects is mixed. Some studies suggest rewards undermine intrinsic motivation, while others indicate they can help establish habits. The more important question isn't whether praise works to change behavior in the short term, but what it teaches children about themselves and their worth in the long term.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>How does praise affect a child's development?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Praise can create dependency on external validation. Many adults who received substantial praise as children become reluctant to attempt things they aren't already good at for fear of not receiving praise or worse, receiving criticism. This is often where perfectionism emerges—not from high standards but from fear that without perfection, they won't be valued or loved.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>You'll discover what praise actually is and recognize when you might be praising your child without realizing it. Praise includes evaluative language like "good job," "you're so smart," or "I'm proud of you," and is typically given with the intention of encouraging children to repeat behaviors.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>You'll explore how praise functions as more than just emotional encouragement—it operates as a form of social control. When we praise children for certain behaviors, we're teaching them what society values and expects, defining what's "normal" and desirable.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>You'll understand how children internalize our surveillance through praise. They begin monitoring themselves according to external standards rather than developing their own internal value system.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>You'll learn practical alternatives to praise, including genuine appreciation that acknowledges specific actions and their impact, curiosity about your child's experiences and perspectives, and connection based on truly seeing your child rather than evaluating their behavior or person.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>Frequently Asked Questions</h2><p><strong>Will my child still behave well if I stop praising them?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>When we relinquish our role as judges and evaluators of our children's worth, we free them to become their authentic selves. Moving beyond praise creates space for genuine connection based on understanding needs and discovering creative approaches to meeting both your needs and your child's needs.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>What can I say instead of "good job"?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Instead of evaluative praise, you can describe what you observe ("You gave Mario half the cookie, and now he's smiling!"), ask thoughtful questions about what aspects of their project they found most satisfying, or express genuine appreciation for how their actions affected you.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>How do I know if I'm praising or appreciating my child?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Appreciation focuses on the effect your child's action had on you rather than evaluating their character. Avoid labels like "You're so thoughtful" and instead express how their action made you feel or helped you.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Do children need praise to feel loved?</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Children need to experience unconditional love and acceptance for who they are, not what they do. They need to know you're excited about them regardless of their performance or behavior.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><ul><li><strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/manners/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">042: How to Teach a Child to Use Manners</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/youngfemininity/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">159: Supporting Girls’ Relationships with Dr. Marnina Gonick</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healthyboys/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">050: How to Raise Emotionally Healthy Boys</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/masculinities/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">161: New Masculinities for Older Boys with Dr. Michael Kehler &amp; Caroline Brunet</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/><p><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:46 Introduction of today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>03:28 Definition of praise</p><p><br></p><p>05:47 When we use praise as a tool to make our children repeat behaviors we want, we're still trying to control them, just with a nicer voice and smile. We've changed our approach but not our fundamental goal of managing their actions</p><p><br></p><p>11:58 Just because you get what you need from an interaction doesn't mean the other person feels equally satisfied</p><p><br></p><p>15:12 Our dependency on external validation affects our parenting and risks creating the same dependency in our children through praise</p><p><br></p><p>24:48 When we look beyond whether praise gets children to complete chores or affects their motivation, we discover how it fundamentally shapes their relationship with authority and their sense of autonomy. Philosopher Michel Foucault's concept of "normalizing judgment" shows that praise functions as more than just encouragement. It establishes power dynamics between parents and children</p><p><br></p><p>27:58 Self-determination theory, which helps us to see on a step-by-step basis, how we develop motivation to do specific tasks</p><p><br></p><p>32:00 Current parenting advice favors specific over generic praise. This approach is used as positive reinforcement to encourage children to repeat the praised behavior</p><p><br></p><p>34:50 Belgian researchers Bart Soenens and Maarten Vansteenkiste identified four adolescent response patterns to perceived parental control, including rule enforcement, punishments, and conditional rewards or praise</p><p><br></p><p>43:45 Researchers concluded that toddler defiance often reflects healthy autonomy and independence, not poor parenting, while ignoring parents is linked more to children of depressed, less responsive mothers</p><p><br></p><p>49:09 Behaviorists view praise as reinforcement encouraging repeated behavior, but McHugh argues it’s more; it reflects authority, shaping which behaviors and qualities are deemed worthy of recognition in children</p><p><br></p><p>01:00:27 Wrapping up the discussion</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>References</strong></p><p><br></p><p>McHugh, H. (2025). From oppressive to progressive praise: How, why, and when to praise in conditions of oppression. Journal of Progressive Education, 12(3), 145-162.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Corpus, J. H., Ogle, C. M., &amp; Love-Geiger, K. E. (2006). The effects of social-comparison versus mastery praise on children's intrinsic motivation. Motivation and Emotion, 30(4), 333-343. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s11031-006-9039-4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1007/s11031-006-9039-4</a></p><p><br></p><p>Soenens, B., &amp; Vansteenkiste, M. (2020). Taking adolescents' agency in socialization seriously: The role of appraisals and cognitive-behavioral responses in autonomy-relevant parenting. New Directions for Child and Adolescent Development, 2020(173), 7-26. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1002/cad.20370" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1002/cad.20370</a></p><p><br></p><p>Lepper, M. R., Greene, D., &amp; Nisbett, R. E. (1973). Undermining children's intrinsic interest with extrinsic reward: A test of the "overjustification" hypothesis. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 28(1), 129–137. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/h0035519" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1037/h0035519</a></p><p><br></p><p>Kohn, A. (2018). Punished by rewards: The trouble with gold stars, incentive plans, A's, praise, and other bribes (25th ed.). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Lumanlan, J. (July 2, 2017). Episode 042: <em>How to teach a child to use manners</em><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/manners/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/manners/</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/praise-impact-child-development-research]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">009a57ef-fa22-418c-b69d-05281fc5aa36</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/009a57ef-fa22-418c-b69d-05281fc5aa36.mp3" length="60489106" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:58</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>245</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>245</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/58204628-9a44-4f53-8658-586b05eccee9/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: How to get your child to listen to you</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: How to get your child to listen to you</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Is your child's refusal to listen driving you CRAZY? You're not alone! In this transformative episode, mom-of-three Chrystal reveals how she went from constant power struggles to peaceful cooperation without sacrificing authority. Discover the exact approach that works when "because I said so" fails. Stop the exhausting battles TODAY and create the respectful relationship you've always wanted with your child.

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<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer:</h2>
<strong>Why won't my child listen to me?</strong> Children resist when their needs aren't being met. Understanding what's beneath the "not listening" transforms power struggles into opportunities for connection and cooperation.

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<strong>How do I get my child to listen without threatening or bribing?</strong> Focus on identifying both your needs and your child's needs, then problem-solve together to find solutions that work for everyone. This creates willing cooperation rather than reluctant compliance.

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<strong>Will my child ever listen the first time I ask?</strong> Yes! When children know that you'll try to meet their needs as well as your own, they become MUCH more willing to collaborate with you. The path to first-time listening isn't through control but through connection.

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<strong>Am I creating an entitled child by not demanding immediate compliance?</strong> Actually, the opposite is true. Children raised with respectful problem-solving develop stronger empathy, better boundary recognition, and more social skills than those raised with strict obedience requirements.

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<strong>How do I handle emergencies when I need immediate compliance?</strong> Create a foundation of trust by respecting autonomy in non-emergency situations. When true emergencies arise, children who trust you will respond to your urgency because they know you don't overuse your authority.

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<h2>What You'll Learn In This Episode:</h2>
<ul><li>The powerful shift from control-based parenting to needs-based problem-solving</li><li>Why resistance is a signal that needs attention, not defiance that needs punishment</li><li>How to identify your real non-negotiables versus situations where flexibility serves everyone</li><li>Practical examples of problem-solving conversations that create willing cooperation</li><li>The critical difference between limits (changing someone's behavior) and boundaries (what you're willing to do)</li><li>How to teach children about healthy boundaries by respecting theirs</li><li>Why "stop means stop" and "no means no" are essential teachings (and how to get your child to respect your 'stop' and 'no')</li><li>How to recognize when you're getting triggered by your child's "not listening"</li><li>The surprising truth about how respectful parenting creates more socially capable children</li><li>Why one intentional parent can make all the difference, even without perfect partner alignment</li></ul><br/>
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If you're thinking "but my child NEEDS to learn to listen," this episode directly addresses how this approach creates MORE compliance in situations that truly matter.

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Ready to transform your daily battles into peaceful cooperation? Take the next step in our Setting Loving and Effective Limits workshop. Click the image below to sign up.

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

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<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:45 Introduction of today’s episode

02:00 An open invitation to join the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

06:12 Chrystal’s experience in the Setting Loving (&amp;Effective!) Limits workshop

07:46 Saying NO to our child isn’t necessarily the right answer

08:48 Challenges that Chrystal had as someone who was brought up in a religious family

11:44 How resilience will play a big role in our children

13:10 Chrystal’s transition from being controlled to having freedom and autonomy

13:50 As a result of having a strong-willed child, Chrystal experiences a lot pushback and challenges

17:01 When to set limits and boundaries to our children

19:18 Ways to navigate our younger child when we need to take a pause in a situation

21:42 The difference between setting limits and boundaries

23:00 The importance of respectful parenting

24:20 Using body cues instead of saying NO

26:31 Introduction to Problem-Solving Conversation: Nonjudgmental Observation

32:52 Our children's resistance creates a "US and THEM" scenario

39:54 The lessons that Chrystal learned from the book called Siblings Without Rivalry.

43:48 White presenting child plays a big role in changing the systems

46:02 Wrapping up the discussion]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Is your child's refusal to listen driving you CRAZY? You're not alone! In this transformative episode, mom-of-three Chrystal reveals how she went from constant power struggles to peaceful cooperation without sacrificing authority. Discover the exact approach that works when "because I said so" fails. Stop the exhausting battles TODAY and create the respectful relationship you've always wanted with your child.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer:</h2>
<strong>Why won't my child listen to me?</strong> Children resist when their needs aren't being met. Understanding what's beneath the "not listening" transforms power struggles into opportunities for connection and cooperation.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I get my child to listen without threatening or bribing?</strong> Focus on identifying both your needs and your child's needs, then problem-solve together to find solutions that work for everyone. This creates willing cooperation rather than reluctant compliance.

&nbsp;

<strong>Will my child ever listen the first time I ask?</strong> Yes! When children know that you'll try to meet their needs as well as your own, they become MUCH more willing to collaborate with you. The path to first-time listening isn't through control but through connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>Am I creating an entitled child by not demanding immediate compliance?</strong> Actually, the opposite is true. Children raised with respectful problem-solving develop stronger empathy, better boundary recognition, and more social skills than those raised with strict obedience requirements.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I handle emergencies when I need immediate compliance?</strong> Create a foundation of trust by respecting autonomy in non-emergency situations. When true emergencies arise, children who trust you will respond to your urgency because they know you don't overuse your authority.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn In This Episode:</h2>
<ul><li>The powerful shift from control-based parenting to needs-based problem-solving</li><li>Why resistance is a signal that needs attention, not defiance that needs punishment</li><li>How to identify your real non-negotiables versus situations where flexibility serves everyone</li><li>Practical examples of problem-solving conversations that create willing cooperation</li><li>The critical difference between limits (changing someone's behavior) and boundaries (what you're willing to do)</li><li>How to teach children about healthy boundaries by respecting theirs</li><li>Why "stop means stop" and "no means no" are essential teachings (and how to get your child to respect your 'stop' and 'no')</li><li>How to recognize when you're getting triggered by your child's "not listening"</li><li>The surprising truth about how respectful parenting creates more socially capable children</li><li>Why one intentional parent can make all the difference, even without perfect partner alignment</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you're thinking "but my child NEEDS to learn to listen," this episode directly addresses how this approach creates MORE compliance in situations that truly matter.

&nbsp;

Ready to transform your daily battles into peaceful cooperation? Take the next step in our Setting Loving and Effective Limits workshop. Click the image below to sign up.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:45 Introduction of today’s episode

02:00 An open invitation to join the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

06:12 Chrystal’s experience in the Setting Loving (&amp;Effective!) Limits workshop

07:46 Saying NO to our child isn’t necessarily the right answer

08:48 Challenges that Chrystal had as someone who was brought up in a religious family

11:44 How resilience will play a big role in our children

13:10 Chrystal’s transition from being controlled to having freedom and autonomy

13:50 As a result of having a strong-willed child, Chrystal experiences a lot pushback and challenges

17:01 When to set limits and boundaries to our children

19:18 Ways to navigate our younger child when we need to take a pause in a situation

21:42 The difference between setting limits and boundaries

23:00 The importance of respectful parenting

24:20 Using body cues instead of saying NO

26:31 Introduction to Problem-Solving Conversation: Nonjudgmental Observation

32:52 Our children's resistance creates a "US and THEM" scenario

39:54 The lessons that Chrystal learned from the book called Siblings Without Rivalry.

43:48 White presenting child plays a big role in changing the systems

46:02 Wrapping up the discussion]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/how-to-get-your-child-to-listen-without-yelling]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f9df7118-7052-4a3c-b30a-219993d2937e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f9df7118-7052-4a3c-b30a-219993d2937e.mp3" length="48202393" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:10</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/7e1f8a1a-7d94-4d93-be83-a76d00591da8/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>244: Gentle parenting doesn’t have to mean permissive parenting</title><itunes:title>244: Gentle parenting doesn’t have to mean permissive parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Is gentle parenting just permissive parenting in disguise? This episode reveals a powerful framework for meeting both your needs and your child's, creating cooperation without sacrificing connection.

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<strong>Is gentle parenting the same as permissive parenting?</strong>

No, gentle parenting is <strong>not</strong> the same as permissive parenting. Gentle parenting focuses on meeting both the child's and the parent's needs with respect and empathy. Permissive parenting prioritizes the child's desires without setting appropriate boundaries or considering the parent's needs. Parents can be gentle without being permissive by understanding and meeting their own needs, as well as their child's needs.

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<strong>Why don't logical consequences and offering limited choices always work?</strong>

Logical consequences and offering limited choices don't always work because they are often strategies to control a child's behavior rather than addressing the underlying needs driving that behavior. When a child is acting out, they may be seeking connection, autonomy, or have other unmet needs. Logical consequences and choices don't meet these needs, so the behavior continues.

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<strong>How can I set effective limits without sliding into permissiveness?</strong>

To set effective limits without becoming permissive, understand that your needs matter just as much as your child's. Identify the underlying need you're currently trying to meet with a limit, and identify strategies that honor both your needs and your child's. This prevents you from prioritizing the child's desires while neglecting your own needs, which is characteristic of permissive parenting.

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<strong>What's the difference between a natural consequence and a logical consequence?</strong>

A natural consequence is what naturally occurs as a result of an action such as touching a hot stove and getting burned. A logical consequence is an action that a parent takes as a result of an action, such as taking away screen time because a child didn't do what they were told.

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<strong>How can I meet both my needs and my child's needs in challenging situations?</strong>

Meeting both your needs and your child's needs starts with identifying the underlying needs driving the behavior in challenging situations. If a child is stalling at bedtime, they may need connection. A parent can meet this need by spending time with the child before bed, reading an extra book, or engaging in a quiet activity together. This could the child's need for connection, while also meeting the parent's need for the child to go to bed at a reasonable time.

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<strong>What's the underlying cause of my child's resistance to everyday routines?</strong>

The underlying cause of a child's resistance to everyday routines is often an unmet need. For example, resistance to putting on shoes may stem from a need for autonomy (if the child wants to do it themselves), or connection (if they want you to do it for them). By recognizing the need, you can find ways to involve the child in the process, such as letting them choose which shoes to wear, giving them a sense of control and making the routine more cooperative.

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<strong>Is there an alternative to the four traditional parenting styles?</strong>

Yes, there are alternatives to the four traditional parenting styles (neglectful, authoritarian, permissive, and authoritative). <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/">Dr. Diana Baumrind, who created the styles, also found a 'harmonious' method where parents consider the child's ideas as just as important as their own,</a> which sounds a lot like Gentle Parenting - but she decided not to research it further!

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<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
In this episode, we challenge the common misconception that gentle, respectful parenting is the same as permissive parenting.

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You'll learn why traditional parenting tools like logical consequences and offering limited choices often don't work in the long run. Logical consequences are essentially punishments that don't address the underlying needs causing resistance, while offering limited choices doesn't truly respect a child's autonomy.

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The episode introduces a powerful alternative framework focused on understanding both your needs and your child's needs. You'll see how identifying these needs opens up multiple strategies for cooperation without power struggles. Through real examples like Cori's story with her toddler who resisted toothbrushing for a year, you'll witness how this approach can transform seemingly impossible situations.

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We critique the traditional four parenting styles, explaining how they were originally developed as models of parental control rather than approaches to building healthy relationships. We introduce a version of gentle parenting that considers children's needs as equally important as parents' needs - not more, and not less.

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You'll gain practical language tools for setting clear boundaries and fostering genuine autonomy. These simple phrases can dramatically shift your interactions from struggle to cooperation.

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By the end of this episode, you'll understand how to set necessary limits while still respecting your child's autonomy and building connection. You'll see that it's possible to parent effectively without resorting to power-over approaches - or becoming permissive.

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<h2>FAQs</h2>
<strong>What's the difference between gentle parenting and permissive parenting?</strong>

Gentle parenting focuses on treating children with respect and understanding the needs behind behaviors, while still maintaining appropriate boundaries. Permissive parenting, on the other hand, prioritizes the child's needs over the parent's needs, allowing children to "walk all over" parents. The key distinction is that this version of gentle parenting acknowledges that both the parent's and child's needs matter equally.

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<strong>Why do logical consequences feel uncomfortable to use?</strong>

Logical consequences often feel uncomfortable because they're essentially punishments dressed up in friendly-sounding language. They attempt to control children's behavior rather than addressing the underlying needs causing resistance. When we implement logical consequences, we're using our power over our children in ways we wouldn't consider acceptable in adult relationships.

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<strong>My child resists everyday routines like toothbrushing and getting dressed. What's really going on?</strong>

Resistance often signals unmet needs. For example, a child who stalls at bedtime may have an unmet need for connection with you. A child who refuses to get dressed might be seeking autonomy (if they want to do it themselves) or connection (if they want your help). Instead of focusing on changing the behavior, try to identify and address the underlying need. Sometimes meeting needs in one area (like autonomy) can reduce resistance in seemingly unrelated areas.

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<strong>What can I say instead of "I can't" when setting boundaries with my child?</strong>

Using "I am not willing to..." instead of "I can't..." acknowledges that you're making a choice based on your needs rather than suggesting you have no choice. For example, instead of saying "I can't play now, I have to cook dinner," try "I'm not willing to play right now because I need to prepare our meal." This language models honest boundary-setting and acknowledges that you're prioritizing certain needs over others in that moment.

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<strong>How can I encourage cooperation without resorting to limited choices or consequences?</strong>

Start by asking "Are you willing to...?" which acknowledges your child's autonomy. Ensure this is a genuine choice they can say no to. When resistance occurs, get curious about the underlying needs rather than insisting on compliance. Find creative solutions that meet both your needs, like washing hands with a cloth at the table rather than insisting they go to the sink, or inviting them to help with dinner preparation if they're seeking connection.

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<strong>What if my child seems to have an insatiable need for connection?</strong>

Some children do have stronger needs for connection than others. Check in with yourself to see if you're able to meet their need without sacrificing your own needs. When you notice feelings of frustration, anger, or resentment arising, these are signals that it's time to set a boundary. Using "I'm not willing to..." language helps you honor both your needs and teaches your child that setting boundaries is a healthy part of relationships.

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<strong>How is this approach different from the traditional parenting styles?</strong>

The four traditional parenting styles (authoritarian, authoritative, permissive, and neglectful) were originally described by Dr. Diana Baumrind as "models of parental control" rather than approaches to building healthy relationships. They focus on controlling children's behavior rather than meeting everyone's needs. Interestingly, Baumrind actually identified a fifth approach she called "harmonious" parenting, which resembles the needs-based approach discussed in this episode, but didn't pursue researching it further.

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<strong>How can I tell if I'm being permissive?</strong>

You're being permissive when you consistently prioritize your child's needs over your own. If you notice feelings of resentment building up or find yourself thinking "they always get their way," these are clues that you might be sliding into permissiveness. The alternative isn't strict control but rather ensuring that both your needs and your child's needs are acknowledged and addressed.

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And if you want my complete framework for how to navigate misbehavior, with ALL...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Is gentle parenting just permissive parenting in disguise? This episode reveals a powerful framework for meeting both your needs and your child's, creating cooperation without sacrificing connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>Is gentle parenting the same as permissive parenting?</strong>

No, gentle parenting is <strong>not</strong> the same as permissive parenting. Gentle parenting focuses on meeting both the child's and the parent's needs with respect and empathy. Permissive parenting prioritizes the child's desires without setting appropriate boundaries or considering the parent's needs. Parents can be gentle without being permissive by understanding and meeting their own needs, as well as their child's needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why don't logical consequences and offering limited choices always work?</strong>

Logical consequences and offering limited choices don't always work because they are often strategies to control a child's behavior rather than addressing the underlying needs driving that behavior. When a child is acting out, they may be seeking connection, autonomy, or have other unmet needs. Logical consequences and choices don't meet these needs, so the behavior continues.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I set effective limits without sliding into permissiveness?</strong>

To set effective limits without becoming permissive, understand that your needs matter just as much as your child's. Identify the underlying need you're currently trying to meet with a limit, and identify strategies that honor both your needs and your child's. This prevents you from prioritizing the child's desires while neglecting your own needs, which is characteristic of permissive parenting.

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<strong>What's the difference between a natural consequence and a logical consequence?</strong>

A natural consequence is what naturally occurs as a result of an action such as touching a hot stove and getting burned. A logical consequence is an action that a parent takes as a result of an action, such as taking away screen time because a child didn't do what they were told.

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<strong>How can I meet both my needs and my child's needs in challenging situations?</strong>

Meeting both your needs and your child's needs starts with identifying the underlying needs driving the behavior in challenging situations. If a child is stalling at bedtime, they may need connection. A parent can meet this need by spending time with the child before bed, reading an extra book, or engaging in a quiet activity together. This could the child's need for connection, while also meeting the parent's need for the child to go to bed at a reasonable time.

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<strong>What's the underlying cause of my child's resistance to everyday routines?</strong>

The underlying cause of a child's resistance to everyday routines is often an unmet need. For example, resistance to putting on shoes may stem from a need for autonomy (if the child wants to do it themselves), or connection (if they want you to do it for them). By recognizing the need, you can find ways to involve the child in the process, such as letting them choose which shoes to wear, giving them a sense of control and making the routine more cooperative.

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<strong>Is there an alternative to the four traditional parenting styles?</strong>

Yes, there are alternatives to the four traditional parenting styles (neglectful, authoritarian, permissive, and authoritative). <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/">Dr. Diana Baumrind, who created the styles, also found a 'harmonious' method where parents consider the child's ideas as just as important as their own,</a> which sounds a lot like Gentle Parenting - but she decided not to research it further!

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<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
In this episode, we challenge the common misconception that gentle, respectful parenting is the same as permissive parenting.

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You'll learn why traditional parenting tools like logical consequences and offering limited choices often don't work in the long run. Logical consequences are essentially punishments that don't address the underlying needs causing resistance, while offering limited choices doesn't truly respect a child's autonomy.

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The episode introduces a powerful alternative framework focused on understanding both your needs and your child's needs. You'll see how identifying these needs opens up multiple strategies for cooperation without power struggles. Through real examples like Cori's story with her toddler who resisted toothbrushing for a year, you'll witness how this approach can transform seemingly impossible situations.

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We critique the traditional four parenting styles, explaining how they were originally developed as models of parental control rather than approaches to building healthy relationships. We introduce a version of gentle parenting that considers children's needs as equally important as parents' needs - not more, and not less.

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You'll gain practical language tools for setting clear boundaries and fostering genuine autonomy. These simple phrases can dramatically shift your interactions from struggle to cooperation.

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By the end of this episode, you'll understand how to set necessary limits while still respecting your child's autonomy and building connection. You'll see that it's possible to parent effectively without resorting to power-over approaches - or becoming permissive.

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<h2>FAQs</h2>
<strong>What's the difference between gentle parenting and permissive parenting?</strong>

Gentle parenting focuses on treating children with respect and understanding the needs behind behaviors, while still maintaining appropriate boundaries. Permissive parenting, on the other hand, prioritizes the child's needs over the parent's needs, allowing children to "walk all over" parents. The key distinction is that this version of gentle parenting acknowledges that both the parent's and child's needs matter equally.

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<strong>Why do logical consequences feel uncomfortable to use?</strong>

Logical consequences often feel uncomfortable because they're essentially punishments dressed up in friendly-sounding language. They attempt to control children's behavior rather than addressing the underlying needs causing resistance. When we implement logical consequences, we're using our power over our children in ways we wouldn't consider acceptable in adult relationships.

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<strong>My child resists everyday routines like toothbrushing and getting dressed. What's really going on?</strong>

Resistance often signals unmet needs. For example, a child who stalls at bedtime may have an unmet need for connection with you. A child who refuses to get dressed might be seeking autonomy (if they want to do it themselves) or connection (if they want your help). Instead of focusing on changing the behavior, try to identify and address the underlying need. Sometimes meeting needs in one area (like autonomy) can reduce resistance in seemingly unrelated areas.

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<strong>What can I say instead of "I can't" when setting boundaries with my child?</strong>

Using "I am not willing to..." instead of "I can't..." acknowledges that you're making a choice based on your needs rather than suggesting you have no choice. For example, instead of saying "I can't play now, I have to cook dinner," try "I'm not willing to play right now because I need to prepare our meal." This language models honest boundary-setting and acknowledges that you're prioritizing certain needs over others in that moment.

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<strong>How can I encourage cooperation without resorting to limited choices or consequences?</strong>

Start by asking "Are you willing to...?" which acknowledges your child's autonomy. Ensure this is a genuine choice they can say no to. When resistance occurs, get curious about the underlying needs rather than insisting on compliance. Find creative solutions that meet both your needs, like washing hands with a cloth at the table rather than insisting they go to the sink, or inviting them to help with dinner preparation if they're seeking connection.

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<strong>What if my child seems to have an insatiable need for connection?</strong>

Some children do have stronger needs for connection than others. Check in with yourself to see if you're able to meet their need without sacrificing your own needs. When you notice feelings of frustration, anger, or resentment arising, these are signals that it's time to set a boundary. Using "I'm not willing to..." language helps you honor both your needs and teaches your child that setting boundaries is a healthy part of relationships.

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<strong>How is this approach different from the traditional parenting styles?</strong>

The four traditional parenting styles (authoritarian, authoritative, permissive, and neglectful) were originally described by Dr. Diana Baumrind as "models of parental control" rather than approaches to building healthy relationships. They focus on controlling children's behavior rather than meeting everyone's needs. Interestingly, Baumrind actually identified a fifth approach she called "harmonious" parenting, which resembles the needs-based approach discussed in this episode, but didn't pursue researching it further.

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<strong>How can I tell if I'm being permissive?</strong>

You're being permissive when you consistently prioritize your child's needs over your own. If you notice feelings of resentment building up or find yourself thinking "they always get their way," these are clues that you might be sliding into permissiveness. The alternative isn't strict control but rather ensuring that both your needs and your child's needs are acknowledged and addressed.

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And if you want my complete framework for how to navigate misbehavior, with ALL FIVE of the tools we can use and guidelines on exactly WHEN to use each of them, sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits.

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<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/compliance/"><span style="font-weight: 400">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/givingchoices/"><span style="font-weight: 400">181: Why ‘giving choices’ doesn’t work – and what to do instead</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/"><span style="font-weight: 400">148:Is spanking a child really so bad?</span></a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:21 Introduction of today’s episode

02:47 Many parents believe that gentle, respectful parenting inevitably leads to being permissive. This episode challenges that misconception, arguing that the "slippery slope" from respectful to permissive parenting isn't inevitable. We'll examine why gentle parenting doesn't mean surrendering authority and explore alternatives to both permissiveness and strict authoritative approaches

05:50 Dr. Baumrind identified four methods of parental control, but also found a fifth "harmonious" approach used by parents who rejected the demandingness scale. These parents treated their children's needs as equally important as their own. The six children raised with this approach showed positive outcomes, especially girls, whom Dr. Baumrind noted were "easy to control," reflecting her criteria for effective parenting

10:29 Getting out the door on time, stopping sofa jumping, or ending screen time aren't actual needs—they're strategies we use to meet deeper needs like physical safety, peace, or feeling competent as parents. Understanding the difference between strategies and true needs helps us see what's really driving our parenting decisions

21:24 Logical consequences, are actually punishments created by parents, unlike natural consequences which occur without parental intervention. Natural consequences happen organically without requiring a parent to decide or enforce the outcome

23:55 Logical consequences in parent-child relationships likely count as more than one negative interaction because parents hold significant power over children and serve as primary attachment figures, unlike the adult relationships the Gottmans studied

29:00 When we recognize the underlying need behind a child's behavior, we can find strategies meeting both our needs, instead of relying on logical consequences. With a very young child, offering choices can “work” because they don't fully see that the choices you're offering are not meeting their need for autonomy

36:21 We shouldn't try to address connection needs only during rushed morning routines. Instead, we should take a broader approach, ensuring we meet our children's connection needs throughout the day. When children feel consistently connected, they won't desperately seek attention during high-pressure moments like morning departures or bedtime routines

38:57 When children seek more connection, we introduce boundaries by first checking in with ourselves. If you've met your own needs and can approach your child with an open heart, consider whether their request for connection either meets your own need for connection or doesn't prevent you from meeting another need. In these situations, both your needs and your child's needs are being met, creating a positive outcome

44:09 When we parent were not being permissive but rather balanced, we agree when both our needs align, and set boundaries when our needs aren't being met. This approach teaches children that boundaries are valuable life skills

44:40 Wrapping up the discussion

45:30 An open invitation for Setting Loving (&amp;Effective!) Limits workshop

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<strong>References</strong>

Lumanlan, J. (2017, January 08). <em>Episode 020: </em><em><span class="fl-heading-text">How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</span></em>  Your Parenting Mojo. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/compliance/">https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/compliance/</a>

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Lumanlan, J. (2023, April 9). <em>Episode 181: </em><em><span class="fl-heading-text">Why ‘giving choices’ doesn’t work – and what to do instead</span></em><em>.</em>  Your Parenting Mojo. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/givingchoices/">https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/givingchoices/</a>

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Lumanlan, J. (2022, February 6). <em>Episode 148: </em><em><span class="fl-heading-text">Is spanking a child really so bad?</span></em><em>.</em>  Your Parenting Mojo. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/">https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/</a>

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"How can we get on the same page about discipline?" is one of the most common questions parents face. Before having kids, most couples never realize how different family backgrounds, experiences, and parenting beliefs will collide into seemingly unbridgeable differences. This episode explores practical tools to navigate these differences, from de-escalating tense moments to having productive conversations that honor both parents' needs while creating consistency for your children.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Why do my partner and I have such different approaches to discipline?</strong>

Your differing approaches likely stem from your own childhood experiences, family values, and what you're trying to "fix" from your upbringing. You might also have different core needs you're trying to meet — one parent might prioritize structure and predictability while another focuses on emotional connection. Understanding these differences is key to finding common ground rather than seeing your partner as "wrong."

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I handle it when my partner disciplines our child in a way I don't agree with?</strong>

When your partner uses a disciplinary approach you disagree with, jumping in to defend the kids often escalates the situation. Instead, try a de-escalation approach: help everyone regulate with your calm presence, validate each person's feelings, and offer a simple solution that gives everyone an out while preserving dignity. Save deeper discussions for later when kids aren't present.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I talk to my partner about discipline without starting a fight?</strong>

Approach conversations without judgment by framing the discussion around shared goals ("Can we talk about what we want to do when the kids don't listen?") rather than criticizing their approach ("You're too harsh with the kids"). The episode offers 10 indirect questions to help you understand the origins of your partner's beliefs about discipline.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my partner thinks gentle parenting "doesn't work"?</strong>

If your partner is using your imperfect moments as "evidence" that your approach doesn't work, start with self-compassion. We look at how to use tools like The Feedback Process to explore your different ideas and find ways to move forward together.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can we create a consistent approach that respects both our parenting styles?</strong>

Start by understanding what's driving each of your approaches rather than just focusing on behaviors. When you identify the underlying needs you're both trying to meet—whether it's creating structure, ensuring emotional connection, or teaching responsibility—you'll often find common ground. The episode provides indirect questions you can use to understand how your childhood experiences have shaped your parenting values. Then you can work together to determine what success looks like for both of you, examine what actually happens with different approaches, and create hybrid solutions that honor each person's core values while giving your children the consistency they need.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>How to use self-compassion when parenting differences arise</strong>

Self-compassion is essential when navigating differences in discipline approaches with your partner. Dr. Kristin Neff's research shows self-compassion includes self-kindness versus self-judgment, common humanity versus isolation, and mindfulness versus over-identification. Practice treating yourself with the same kindness you'd offer a friend when you make mistakes or struggle to align with your partner.

&nbsp;

<strong>The de-escalation approach for heated discipline moments</strong>

Instead of undermining your partner in the moment, learn to de-escalate by helping everyone regulate, validating all feelings without taking sides, and offering simple solutions that preserve dignity. This approach prevents your child from triangulating between parents or one parent becoming the "rescuer" while the other is the "bad guy."

&nbsp;

<strong>How to have non-judgmental conversations about discipline</strong>

Traditional feedback is given by one person to another, but in parenting you'll be more on the same page when you learn collaboratively. This approach helps avoid criticism, which often triggers the Four Horsemen of relationship conflict: criticism, defensiveness, contempt, and stonewalling.

&nbsp;

<strong>Understanding the validation ladder for better communication</strong>

Learn the steps of Dr. Caroline Fleck's Validation Ladder to help you deeply understand your partner's concerns. Validation shows "you're there, you get it, and you care" — essential for helping your partner to feel seen and understood before tackling differences.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to identify and address the needs behind discipline styles</strong>

Your partner's preference for certain discipline strategies is their best attempt to meet their needs. Learn to identify needs like competence, ease, respect, order, peace, connection, and recognition. Understanding these needs transforms how you view disagreements — what looks like being "too harsh" might be meeting a need for competence, while being "too soft" might be meeting a need for connection.

&nbsp;
<h2>FAQs</h2>
<strong>How do I stop the good cop/bad cop dynamic with my partner?</strong>

Break the good cop/bad cop pattern by identifying the underlying needs driving each approach. When you understand these, you can create an approach to dealing with your child's behavior that's more likely to meet both of your needs. Have regular check-ins about what's working and what needs adjustment, away from the children.

&nbsp;

<strong>What should I do when my partner yells at our kids?</strong>

In the moment, focus on de-escalation rather than confrontation. Move closer to provide a calming presence, acknowledge everyone's feelings without blame ("I can see we're having a hard time"), and offer a simple solution that gives everyone an out. Save the deeper conversation for later when you're both calm and the kids aren't present. When you do talk, focus on understanding what triggered the reaction rather than criticizing.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why does my partner parent so differently than I do?</strong>

Parenting approaches are deeply influenced by our own childhood experiences, cultural backgrounds, and personal values. Your partner's discipline style likely reflects their attempt to either replicate what worked in their family or correct what didn't. Understanding these origins through curious, non-judgmental conversations can help you see their approach as making sense given their history, even if you disagree with it.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I get my partner to be more consistent with discipline?</strong>

Instead of focusing on changing your partner, work together to identify shared parenting goals and values. Use the Feedback Process described in the episode to learn together rather than one person critiquing the other. Determine success criteria together, look at what actually happens when different approaches are used, and construct new understanding about what would work better for your family.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my partner disagrees with my parenting approach completely?</strong>

In the Parenting Membership, we learn communication strategies based in the Gottman Method to address challenges with our partners. When we understand the deep needs behind our partner's approach to discipline (and they understand ours too), we can usually find a path forward that comes much closer to meeting both of our needs. You'll see couples arguing much like you and your partner argue now, and then quickly learning new tools that help you to talk about issues you disagree on without either of you getting triggered.

&nbsp;

And we'll give you a preview of those tools in the Full Experience of the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop!

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:21 Introduction of today’s episode

04:55 Self-compassion researcher Dr. Kristin Neff identifies three components: self-kindness versus self-judgment, common humanity versus isolation, and mindfulness versus over-identification. When struggling with parenting differences, we need all three elements. Instead of harsh self-criticism about parenting conflicts, pause and offer yourself the same kindness you'd give a friend in your situation

08:12 Validation simply acknowledges the legitimate feelings underneath because we all want to be understood by others

12:20 Joellen explains that the feedback process is a process of learning where a learner constructs their own understanding of the information to be able to make it their own

15:55 10 Questions that parents might consider asking to their partner to help get a better understanding of how each parent think of these issues about parenting

18:15 Dr. Fleck identifies validation as crucial for authentic relationships, allowing us to feel seen and loved for who we are. Without validation, others aren't relating to our true selves. This connects to Joellen Killion's feedback process, where participants must understand each other's wants, listen to different perspectives, and find common ground. The goal is mutual respect where neither person claims expertise, but both voices are valued

20:30 Four horsemen of the apocalypse are: criticism, defensiveness, contempt and stonewalling

25:30 The beauty of identifying needs is that while strategies for meeting needs can conflict like a strict consequence system versus a more collaborative approach, the underlying needs rarely do

27:45 Introducing Setting Loving (&amp;Effective!)...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

"How can we get on the same page about discipline?" is one of the most common questions parents face. Before having kids, most couples never realize how different family backgrounds, experiences, and parenting beliefs will collide into seemingly unbridgeable differences. This episode explores practical tools to navigate these differences, from de-escalating tense moments to having productive conversations that honor both parents' needs while creating consistency for your children.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Why do my partner and I have such different approaches to discipline?</strong>

Your differing approaches likely stem from your own childhood experiences, family values, and what you're trying to "fix" from your upbringing. You might also have different core needs you're trying to meet — one parent might prioritize structure and predictability while another focuses on emotional connection. Understanding these differences is key to finding common ground rather than seeing your partner as "wrong."

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I handle it when my partner disciplines our child in a way I don't agree with?</strong>

When your partner uses a disciplinary approach you disagree with, jumping in to defend the kids often escalates the situation. Instead, try a de-escalation approach: help everyone regulate with your calm presence, validate each person's feelings, and offer a simple solution that gives everyone an out while preserving dignity. Save deeper discussions for later when kids aren't present.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I talk to my partner about discipline without starting a fight?</strong>

Approach conversations without judgment by framing the discussion around shared goals ("Can we talk about what we want to do when the kids don't listen?") rather than criticizing their approach ("You're too harsh with the kids"). The episode offers 10 indirect questions to help you understand the origins of your partner's beliefs about discipline.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my partner thinks gentle parenting "doesn't work"?</strong>

If your partner is using your imperfect moments as "evidence" that your approach doesn't work, start with self-compassion. We look at how to use tools like The Feedback Process to explore your different ideas and find ways to move forward together.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can we create a consistent approach that respects both our parenting styles?</strong>

Start by understanding what's driving each of your approaches rather than just focusing on behaviors. When you identify the underlying needs you're both trying to meet—whether it's creating structure, ensuring emotional connection, or teaching responsibility—you'll often find common ground. The episode provides indirect questions you can use to understand how your childhood experiences have shaped your parenting values. Then you can work together to determine what success looks like for both of you, examine what actually happens with different approaches, and create hybrid solutions that honor each person's core values while giving your children the consistency they need.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>How to use self-compassion when parenting differences arise</strong>

Self-compassion is essential when navigating differences in discipline approaches with your partner. Dr. Kristin Neff's research shows self-compassion includes self-kindness versus self-judgment, common humanity versus isolation, and mindfulness versus over-identification. Practice treating yourself with the same kindness you'd offer a friend when you make mistakes or struggle to align with your partner.

&nbsp;

<strong>The de-escalation approach for heated discipline moments</strong>

Instead of undermining your partner in the moment, learn to de-escalate by helping everyone regulate, validating all feelings without taking sides, and offering simple solutions that preserve dignity. This approach prevents your child from triangulating between parents or one parent becoming the "rescuer" while the other is the "bad guy."

&nbsp;

<strong>How to have non-judgmental conversations about discipline</strong>

Traditional feedback is given by one person to another, but in parenting you'll be more on the same page when you learn collaboratively. This approach helps avoid criticism, which often triggers the Four Horsemen of relationship conflict: criticism, defensiveness, contempt, and stonewalling.

&nbsp;

<strong>Understanding the validation ladder for better communication</strong>

Learn the steps of Dr. Caroline Fleck's Validation Ladder to help you deeply understand your partner's concerns. Validation shows "you're there, you get it, and you care" — essential for helping your partner to feel seen and understood before tackling differences.

&nbsp;

<strong>How to identify and address the needs behind discipline styles</strong>

Your partner's preference for certain discipline strategies is their best attempt to meet their needs. Learn to identify needs like competence, ease, respect, order, peace, connection, and recognition. Understanding these needs transforms how you view disagreements — what looks like being "too harsh" might be meeting a need for competence, while being "too soft" might be meeting a need for connection.

&nbsp;
<h2>FAQs</h2>
<strong>How do I stop the good cop/bad cop dynamic with my partner?</strong>

Break the good cop/bad cop pattern by identifying the underlying needs driving each approach. When you understand these, you can create an approach to dealing with your child's behavior that's more likely to meet both of your needs. Have regular check-ins about what's working and what needs adjustment, away from the children.

&nbsp;

<strong>What should I do when my partner yells at our kids?</strong>

In the moment, focus on de-escalation rather than confrontation. Move closer to provide a calming presence, acknowledge everyone's feelings without blame ("I can see we're having a hard time"), and offer a simple solution that gives everyone an out. Save the deeper conversation for later when you're both calm and the kids aren't present. When you do talk, focus on understanding what triggered the reaction rather than criticizing.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why does my partner parent so differently than I do?</strong>

Parenting approaches are deeply influenced by our own childhood experiences, cultural backgrounds, and personal values. Your partner's discipline style likely reflects their attempt to either replicate what worked in their family or correct what didn't. Understanding these origins through curious, non-judgmental conversations can help you see their approach as making sense given their history, even if you disagree with it.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can I get my partner to be more consistent with discipline?</strong>

Instead of focusing on changing your partner, work together to identify shared parenting goals and values. Use the Feedback Process described in the episode to learn together rather than one person critiquing the other. Determine success criteria together, look at what actually happens when different approaches are used, and construct new understanding about what would work better for your family.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my partner disagrees with my parenting approach completely?</strong>

In the Parenting Membership, we learn communication strategies based in the Gottman Method to address challenges with our partners. When we understand the deep needs behind our partner's approach to discipline (and they understand ours too), we can usually find a path forward that comes much closer to meeting both of our needs. You'll see couples arguing much like you and your partner argue now, and then quickly learning new tools that help you to talk about issues you disagree on without either of you getting triggered.

&nbsp;

And we'll give you a preview of those tools in the Full Experience of the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop!

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:21 Introduction of today’s episode

04:55 Self-compassion researcher Dr. Kristin Neff identifies three components: self-kindness versus self-judgment, common humanity versus isolation, and mindfulness versus over-identification. When struggling with parenting differences, we need all three elements. Instead of harsh self-criticism about parenting conflicts, pause and offer yourself the same kindness you'd give a friend in your situation

08:12 Validation simply acknowledges the legitimate feelings underneath because we all want to be understood by others

12:20 Joellen explains that the feedback process is a process of learning where a learner constructs their own understanding of the information to be able to make it their own

15:55 10 Questions that parents might consider asking to their partner to help get a better understanding of how each parent think of these issues about parenting

18:15 Dr. Fleck identifies validation as crucial for authentic relationships, allowing us to feel seen and loved for who we are. Without validation, others aren't relating to our true selves. This connects to Joellen Killion's feedback process, where participants must understand each other's wants, listen to different perspectives, and find common ground. The goal is mutual respect where neither person claims expertise, but both voices are valued

20:30 Four horsemen of the apocalypse are: criticism, defensiveness, contempt and stonewalling

25:30 The beauty of identifying needs is that while strategies for meeting needs can conflict like a strict consequence system versus a more collaborative approach, the underlying needs rarely do

27:45 Introducing Setting Loving (&amp;Effective!) Limits Workshop

33:02 When criticism defines a relationship, facing more criticism feels overwhelming. Retreating into silence and handling things separately seems easier than risking additional pain

34:31 A little introduction on Parenting Membership

47:04 When discussing parenting disagreements constructively, you can explore values without damaging your relationship, instead actually strengthening your connection without emotional tailspins

50:02 Setting Loving (&amp;Effective!) Limits Workshop and Parenting Membership information

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<strong>References</strong>

Lumanlan, J. (2020, October 18). <em>Episode 122: Self-Compassion for Parents.</em>  Your Parenting Mojo. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/</a>

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Lumanlan, J. (2024, April 14). <em>Episode 209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner. </em> Your Parenting Mojo. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/</a>

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Lumanlan, J. (2025, March 23). <em>Episode 241: Validating children's feelings: Why it's important, and how to do it with Dr. Caroline Fleck.  </em>Your Parenting Mojo. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/validation-dr-caroline-fleck/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/validation-dr-caroline-fleck/</a>

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Lumanlan, J. (2025, April 13). <em>Episode 242: The secret to having feedback conversations your family will actually hear.  </em>Your Parenting Mojo. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/feedback-family-will-hear/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/feedback-family-will-hear/</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parents-disagree-on-discipline]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">af2df635-4648-473c-bd79-dfd370d22112</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/af2df635-4648-473c-bd79-dfd370d22112.mp3" length="76225609" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>243</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>243</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b80049d4-8ff1-4e0c-b45a-29f7ddf88e59/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>242: The secret to having feedback conversations your family will actually hear</title><itunes:title>242: The secret to having feedback conversations your family will actually hear</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Have you ever shared an observation with your partner or child, only to watch them immediately become defensive or shut down? You meant well, but somehow your words landed as criticism instead of the helpful insight you intended.

&nbsp;

In this episode, we explore The Feedback Process framework with Joellen Killion, examining how we can transform our family communications. When we participate in the feedback process effectively, we create conversations that family members can actually hear—conversations that lead to lasting positive change rather than defensiveness and resistance.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong> </strong>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>Why do our attempts to share observations with family members often lead to defensiveness?</li><li>What's the difference between criticism and participating in the feedback process?</li><li>How can we frame our observations so they're received as helpful rather than hurtful?</li><li>What specific language patterns help family members stay open to what we're sharing?</li><li>How can we create feedback conversations that strengthen relationships instead of damaging them?</li><li>How does shifting from "waiting to respond" to "truly listening" transform the entire feedback dynamic?</li><li>How can we teach children to participate in the feedback process constructively?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><strong> </strong>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>The key components of The Feedback Process framework and how they transform family communications</li><li>Practical techniques to share observations without triggering defensiveness in your partner or children</li><li>Specific language patterns that help feedback recipients stay open to what you're sharing</li><li>How to recognize when feedback isn't being received and what to do about it</li><li>The crucial difference between criticism and constructive feedback</li><li>Ways to create a family culture where feedback strengthens relationships rather than damaging them</li><li>How participating in the feedback process builds emotional intelligence in children</li><li>Practical examples of transforming common family conflicts through effective feedback conversations</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

This episode provides practical tools to break cycles of criticism and defensiveness, creating space for authentic communication that leads to positive change in your family relationships.

&nbsp;
<h2>Joellen Killion's book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/41Mnde0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Feedback Process</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sustainablechange/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">212: How to make the sustainable change you want to see in your family</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/confidentparenting/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">102: From confusion and conflict to confident parenting</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:57 Introduction of today’s guest.

04:17 Key distinction between the traditional feedback that we usually practice and the feedback process.

09:50 When we encourage our partners, children, and siblings to express their views and desires, we acknowledge that we don't have authority over them. True connection comes from understanding what others want, sharing our perspective, and finding mutual agreement.

14:55 When parents define success differently, navigate this by exploring each other's underlying values without judgment, sharing your perspective, finding common ground, and experimenting with compromises that honor both viewpoints while meeting your child's needs.

20:52 Create space for productive dialogue by focusing on the agreement versus the action, and inviting reflection rather than demanding explanations, you maintain connection while addressing inconsistency. This helps parents recommit to thoughtfully revising agreements when needed.

27:48 The feedback typology and how we know what type of feedback to use in any given situation.

32:48 Examples of what the feedback process looks like in the regulate middle stage, and the metacognitive reflect stage.

35:19 What does reflecting and metacognition look like with a child and with a parenting partner?

38:56 The stages of the feedback process.

40:11 Situations given by Joellen in which we can determine if it is construction knowledge or deconstruction knowledge.

49:26 Success comes from finding the middle ground that allows for consistent parenting. We can examine specific situations where we approached our child's emotions differently, analyzing how each of us felt, how our child reacted, and the ultimate outcomes. From this analysis, we can construct an ideal approach that incorporates both perspectives.

55:55 The first question in the feedback process is what do you want to learn about the topic, because it shows a small indication of motivation, openness, and willingness to learn

57:46 The difference between giving and receiving feedback and engaging in the feedback process or a learning process.

59:10 Wrapping up the discussion.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bing-You, R. G., &amp; Trowbridge, R. L. (2009). Why medical educators may be failing at feedback. <em>Jama</em>, <em>302</em>(12), 1330-1331.

<hr />

Black, P., &amp; Wiliam, D. (1998). Assessment and classroom learning. <em>Assessment in Education: principles, policy &amp; practice</em>, <em>5</em>(1), 7-74.

<hr />

Bok, H. G., Teunissen, P. W., Spruijt, A., Fokkema, J. P., van Beukelen, P., Jaarsma, D. A., &amp; van der Vleuten, C. P. (2013). Clarifying students’ feedback‐seeking behaviour in clinical clerkships. <em>Medical education</em>, <em>47</em>(3), 282-291.

<hr />

Butler, D. L., &amp; Winne, P. H. (1995). Feedback and self-regulated learning: A theoretical synthesis. <em>Review of educational research</em>, <em>65</em>(3), 245-281.

<hr />

Hattie, J., &amp; Timperley, H. (2007). The power of feedback. <em>Review of educational research</em>, <em>77</em>(1), 81-112.

<hr />

Kluger, A. N., &amp; DeNisi, A. (1996). The effects of feedback interventions on performance: a historical review, a meta-analysis, and a preliminary feedback intervention theory. <em>Psychological bulletin</em>, <em>119</em>(2), 254.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Have you ever shared an observation with your partner or child, only to watch them immediately become defensive or shut down? You meant well, but somehow your words landed as criticism instead of the helpful insight you intended.

&nbsp;

In this episode, we explore The Feedback Process framework with Joellen Killion, examining how we can transform our family communications. When we participate in the feedback process effectively, we create conversations that family members can actually hear—conversations that lead to lasting positive change rather than defensiveness and resistance.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong> </strong>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>Why do our attempts to share observations with family members often lead to defensiveness?</li><li>What's the difference between criticism and participating in the feedback process?</li><li>How can we frame our observations so they're received as helpful rather than hurtful?</li><li>What specific language patterns help family members stay open to what we're sharing?</li><li>How can we create feedback conversations that strengthen relationships instead of damaging them?</li><li>How does shifting from "waiting to respond" to "truly listening" transform the entire feedback dynamic?</li><li>How can we teach children to participate in the feedback process constructively?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><strong> </strong>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>The key components of The Feedback Process framework and how they transform family communications</li><li>Practical techniques to share observations without triggering defensiveness in your partner or children</li><li>Specific language patterns that help feedback recipients stay open to what you're sharing</li><li>How to recognize when feedback isn't being received and what to do about it</li><li>The crucial difference between criticism and constructive feedback</li><li>Ways to create a family culture where feedback strengthens relationships rather than damaging them</li><li>How participating in the feedback process builds emotional intelligence in children</li><li>Practical examples of transforming common family conflicts through effective feedback conversations</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

This episode provides practical tools to break cycles of criticism and defensiveness, creating space for authentic communication that leads to positive change in your family relationships.

&nbsp;
<h2>Joellen Killion's book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/41Mnde0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Feedback Process</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sustainablechange/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">212: How to make the sustainable change you want to see in your family</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/confidentparenting/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">102: From confusion and conflict to confident parenting</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:57 Introduction of today’s guest.

04:17 Key distinction between the traditional feedback that we usually practice and the feedback process.

09:50 When we encourage our partners, children, and siblings to express their views and desires, we acknowledge that we don't have authority over them. True connection comes from understanding what others want, sharing our perspective, and finding mutual agreement.

14:55 When parents define success differently, navigate this by exploring each other's underlying values without judgment, sharing your perspective, finding common ground, and experimenting with compromises that honor both viewpoints while meeting your child's needs.

20:52 Create space for productive dialogue by focusing on the agreement versus the action, and inviting reflection rather than demanding explanations, you maintain connection while addressing inconsistency. This helps parents recommit to thoughtfully revising agreements when needed.

27:48 The feedback typology and how we know what type of feedback to use in any given situation.

32:48 Examples of what the feedback process looks like in the regulate middle stage, and the metacognitive reflect stage.

35:19 What does reflecting and metacognition look like with a child and with a parenting partner?

38:56 The stages of the feedback process.

40:11 Situations given by Joellen in which we can determine if it is construction knowledge or deconstruction knowledge.

49:26 Success comes from finding the middle ground that allows for consistent parenting. We can examine specific situations where we approached our child's emotions differently, analyzing how each of us felt, how our child reacted, and the ultimate outcomes. From this analysis, we can construct an ideal approach that incorporates both perspectives.

55:55 The first question in the feedback process is what do you want to learn about the topic, because it shows a small indication of motivation, openness, and willingness to learn

57:46 The difference between giving and receiving feedback and engaging in the feedback process or a learning process.

59:10 Wrapping up the discussion.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bing-You, R. G., &amp; Trowbridge, R. L. (2009). Why medical educators may be failing at feedback. <em>Jama</em>, <em>302</em>(12), 1330-1331.

<hr />

Black, P., &amp; Wiliam, D. (1998). Assessment and classroom learning. <em>Assessment in Education: principles, policy &amp; practice</em>, <em>5</em>(1), 7-74.

<hr />

Bok, H. G., Teunissen, P. W., Spruijt, A., Fokkema, J. P., van Beukelen, P., Jaarsma, D. A., &amp; van der Vleuten, C. P. (2013). Clarifying students’ feedback‐seeking behaviour in clinical clerkships. <em>Medical education</em>, <em>47</em>(3), 282-291.

<hr />

Butler, D. L., &amp; Winne, P. H. (1995). Feedback and self-regulated learning: A theoretical synthesis. <em>Review of educational research</em>, <em>65</em>(3), 245-281.

<hr />

Hattie, J., &amp; Timperley, H. (2007). The power of feedback. <em>Review of educational research</em>, <em>77</em>(1), 81-112.

<hr />

Kluger, A. N., &amp; DeNisi, A. (1996). The effects of feedback interventions on performance: a historical review, a meta-analysis, and a preliminary feedback intervention theory. <em>Psychological bulletin</em>, <em>119</em>(2), 254.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/feedback-family-will-hear]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8baacfc7-cefa-4116-966a-8524429fa9ee</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/8baacfc7-cefa-4116-966a-8524429fa9ee.mp3" length="93233737" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:04:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>242</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>242</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/c7a8c7dd-c532-4e17-844a-7ef8cbab765d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>240: How to prepare your kids for the real world</title><itunes:title>240: How to prepare your kids for the real world</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p>In this episode, we explore how to prepare children for the real world without sacrificing their authentic selves. Drawing on research about food habits, screen time, social expectations, and discipline approaches, this discussion offers balanced strategies that prioritize connection over control. You'll learn how to guide children through external pressures while helping them develop critical thinking skills and maintaining their inherent wisdom.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2><ul><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How can I help my child navigate a world of hyper-palatable foods without creating unhealthy food relationships?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What's the evidence about screen time and video games, and how can I approach them constructively?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How do social systems pressure children to conform to limiting gender roles and expectations?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Is traditional discipline truly preparing children for the "real world," or is there a better approach?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How can I honor my child's authentic self while still giving them tools to succeed?</li><li><br></li></ul><br/><h2><strong>&nbsp;</strong>What you'll learn in this episode</h2><ul><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>The truth about BMI measurements and research on body size that contradicts common assumptions</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How the Division of Responsibility model can transform mealtime struggles</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Why video games don't increase violence and may offer surprising benefits</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Practical ways to help children develop critical thinking about media messages</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How to identify the unmet needs behind challenging behavior</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>The concept of "traumatic invalidation" and its impact on children's development</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Step-by-step approaches to build children's self-regulation around screen time</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How to create meaningful conversations about problematic messages in children's books</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Ways to validate children while preparing them for life's challenges</li><li><br></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>This episode offers a thoughtful examination of the tensions between societal pressures and children's innate wisdom, providing practical guidance for parents navigating these complex territories. Rather than offering quick fixes, we focus on building connection as the foundation for helping children develop resilience and discernment.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><ul><li><strong>Other episodes mentioned</strong></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/007-help-toddler-wont-eat-vegetables/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">007: Help! My toddler won’t eat vegetables</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">140: Mythbusting about fat and BMI with Dr. Lindo Bacon</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dor/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">142: Division of Responsibility with Ellyn Satter</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/videogames/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">218: What children learn from video games</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/patriarchy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">106: Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting (Part 1)</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healthyboys/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">050: How to raise emotionally healthy boys</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whiteprivilege/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">083: White privilege in parenting: What it is &amp; what to do about it</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/key-skills-overcome-parental-burnout/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">238: Feeling exhausted and overwhelmed? Tools to help you cope</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/burnout/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">111: Parental Burnout</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/><p><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:56 Introducing today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>02:29 All kinds of cultural implications may be involved in what our children consume</p><p><br></p><p>04:35 Mealtimes can be stressful for children who likes to consume bread rather than to eat healthy foods like vegetables</p><p><br></p><p>07:12 Explaining what is a bliss point of a product</p><p><br></p><p>10:41 Things that help parents to navigate a world of hyper-palatable foods without creating unhealthy food relationship</p><p><br></p><p>15:07 Video games often reflect our broader societal values</p><p><br></p><p>16:35 Ways on how to help your child develop a healthy relationship with screens while preparing them for the digital world that they will inhabit</p><p><br></p><p>22:57 When a video game portrays a male character as warrior and a female character as healer, it often gives the same division of human qualities that pressure boys and girls</p><p><br></p><p>24:10 Choosing where the families live will significantly shape what children learn about social structures</p><p><br></p><p>26:19 Steps on how parents prepare our children for the reality while helping them develop into individuals</p><p><br></p><p>33:09 What is time-out teaching our children about relationship and their place in the world</p><p><br></p><p>42:12 How parent’s experiences shape our children to fit in the society</p><p><br></p><p>51:05 Acceptance of our own circumstances in dealing with our own child can be helpful at times</p><p><br></p><p>58:07 Wrapping up the discussion</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>References</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Linehan, M.M. (2021). <a href="https://amzn.to/3QUYOxK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Building a life worth living.</a> New York: Random House Trade Paperbacks.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Moss, M. (2013, February 20). The extraordinary science of addictive junk food. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html</a></p><p><br></p><p>National Center for Education Statistics (1996). Do rich and poor districts spend alike? Author. Retrieved from:</p><p><a href="https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97916.asp#:~:text=Districts%20with%20high%2Dincome%20households,to%20spend%20for%20public%20education.&amp;text=districts%20with%20moderate%2Dto%2Dhigh,student%20(%245%2C411%2D%20%244%2C774)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97916.asp#:~:text=Districts%20with%20high%2Dincome%20households,to%20spend%20for%20public%20education.&amp;text=districts%20with%20moderate%2Dto%2Dhigh,student%20(%245%2C411%2D%20%244%2C774)</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p>In this episode, we explore how to prepare children for the real world without sacrificing their authentic selves. Drawing on research about food habits, screen time, social expectations, and discipline approaches, this discussion offers balanced strategies that prioritize connection over control. You'll learn how to guide children through external pressures while helping them develop critical thinking skills and maintaining their inherent wisdom.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2><ul><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How can I help my child navigate a world of hyper-palatable foods without creating unhealthy food relationships?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>What's the evidence about screen time and video games, and how can I approach them constructively?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How do social systems pressure children to conform to limiting gender roles and expectations?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Is traditional discipline truly preparing children for the "real world," or is there a better approach?</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How can I honor my child's authentic self while still giving them tools to succeed?</li><li><br></li></ul><br/><h2><strong>&nbsp;</strong>What you'll learn in this episode</h2><ul><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>The truth about BMI measurements and research on body size that contradicts common assumptions</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How the Division of Responsibility model can transform mealtime struggles</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Why video games don't increase violence and may offer surprising benefits</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Practical ways to help children develop critical thinking about media messages</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How to identify the unmet needs behind challenging behavior</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>The concept of "traumatic invalidation" and its impact on children's development</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Step-by-step approaches to build children's self-regulation around screen time</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>How to create meaningful conversations about problematic messages in children's books</li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li>Ways to validate children while preparing them for life's challenges</li><li><br></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>This episode offers a thoughtful examination of the tensions between societal pressures and children's innate wisdom, providing practical guidance for parents navigating these complex territories. Rather than offering quick fixes, we focus on building connection as the foundation for helping children develop resilience and discernment.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><ul><li><strong>Other episodes mentioned</strong></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/007-help-toddler-wont-eat-vegetables/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">007: Help! My toddler won’t eat vegetables</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">140: Mythbusting about fat and BMI with Dr. Lindo Bacon</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dor/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">142: Division of Responsibility with Ellyn Satter</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/videogames/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">218: What children learn from video games</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/patriarchy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">106: Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting (Part 1)</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healthyboys/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">050: How to raise emotionally healthy boys</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whiteprivilege/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">083: White privilege in parenting: What it is &amp; what to do about it</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/key-skills-overcome-parental-burnout/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">238: Feeling exhausted and overwhelmed? Tools to help you cope</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/burnout/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">111: Parental Burnout</a></li><li><br></li><li><br></li><li> 	</li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/timeoutsforkids/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/><p><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:56 Introducing today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>02:29 All kinds of cultural implications may be involved in what our children consume</p><p><br></p><p>04:35 Mealtimes can be stressful for children who likes to consume bread rather than to eat healthy foods like vegetables</p><p><br></p><p>07:12 Explaining what is a bliss point of a product</p><p><br></p><p>10:41 Things that help parents to navigate a world of hyper-palatable foods without creating unhealthy food relationship</p><p><br></p><p>15:07 Video games often reflect our broader societal values</p><p><br></p><p>16:35 Ways on how to help your child develop a healthy relationship with screens while preparing them for the digital world that they will inhabit</p><p><br></p><p>22:57 When a video game portrays a male character as warrior and a female character as healer, it often gives the same division of human qualities that pressure boys and girls</p><p><br></p><p>24:10 Choosing where the families live will significantly shape what children learn about social structures</p><p><br></p><p>26:19 Steps on how parents prepare our children for the reality while helping them develop into individuals</p><p><br></p><p>33:09 What is time-out teaching our children about relationship and their place in the world</p><p><br></p><p>42:12 How parent’s experiences shape our children to fit in the society</p><p><br></p><p>51:05 Acceptance of our own circumstances in dealing with our own child can be helpful at times</p><p><br></p><p>58:07 Wrapping up the discussion</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><strong>References</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Linehan, M.M. (2021). <a href="https://amzn.to/3QUYOxK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Building a life worth living.</a> New York: Random House Trade Paperbacks.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Moss, M. (2013, February 20). The extraordinary science of addictive junk food. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html</a></p><p><br></p><p>National Center for Education Statistics (1996). Do rich and poor districts spend alike? Author. Retrieved from:</p><p><a href="https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97916.asp#:~:text=Districts%20with%20high%2Dincome%20households,to%20spend%20for%20public%20education.&amp;text=districts%20with%20moderate%2Dto%2Dhigh,student%20(%245%2C411%2D%20%244%2C774)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97916.asp#:~:text=Districts%20with%20high%2Dincome%20households,to%20spend%20for%20public%20education.&amp;text=districts%20with%20moderate%2Dto%2Dhigh,student%20(%245%2C411%2D%20%244%2C774)</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/how-to-prepare-your-kids-for-the-real-world]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3f1fe7c9-d0b8-401f-ba0f-5b43d1493a11</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/3f1fe7c9-d0b8-401f-ba0f-5b43d1493a11.mp3" length="95442697" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:06:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>240</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>240</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/cd6533d3-df1e-48f4-a323-dbd86fa0ba69/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>239: First year for your newborn baby: The 7 ideas that really matter</title><itunes:title>239: First year for your newborn baby: The 7 ideas that really matter</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<em> </em>

<em>What truly matters in a baby’s first year? This episode explores the top seven things parents should focus on, helping you set priorities with confidence.</em>

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<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>How much influence do parents really have on their child’s development?</li><li>What parenting practices actually make a long-term difference?</li><li>Should you be worried about hitting developmental milestones on time?</li><li>How can you support your baby’s emotional well-being from day one?</li><li>What are the best ways to foster a strong parent-child bond?</li></ul><br/>
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<h2>What you’ll learn in this episode</h2>
Parenting advice changes constantly, often reflecting shifts in culture and scientific understanding. In this episode, we take a research-backed approach to uncover what truly matters in your baby’s first year—and what doesn’t.
<ul><li><strong>The Myth of the Perfect Parent:</strong>Learn why the definition of “good parenting” has evolved and how cultural expectations influence parenting choices.</li><li><strong>Nature vs. Nurture:</strong>Discover the surprising role genetics and socioeconomic factors play in shaping a child’s future.</li><li><strong>The Truth About Developmental Milestones:</strong>Understand why comparing your child to others can be misleading—and what really matters for long-term success.</li><li><strong>Helping Your Baby Feel Secure:</strong>Explore the key elements of emotional safety and how they support healthy development.</li><li><strong>Building a Strong Parent-Child Connection:</strong>Learn practical strategies to foster trust, communication, and bonding with your baby.</li><li><strong>Making Parenting Easier:</strong>Get clarity on what’s actually worth stressing about—spoiler: fancy baby gear isn’t on the list.</li></ul><br/>
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Join us as we use our values to understand how to get parenting right from the start for <em>your </em>baby and family.

&nbsp;

If you’re ready to dive even deeper into these ideas and get hands-on guidance in your parenting journey, our <strong>Right From The Start</strong> course that I run with Hannah &amp; Kelty of Upbringing is here to help.

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It’s designed to give you the confidence and tools to support your baby’s emotional well-being, strengthen your bond, and parent with intention—right from the start.

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You'll get access to nine modules of content on topics like supporting baby's sleep, feeding with confidence, and supporting a strong sibling relationship. You'll also learn how to meet your own needs - because you're a whole person with needs, not just your baby's parent.
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<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/preschool/">081: How can I decide which daycare/preschool is right for my child?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/">079: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/">084: The Science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatmatters/">Q&amp;A#5: What really matters in parenting? Part 1</a></li></ul><br/>
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<p data-block-id="block-42cfc0cb-ed29-4d7a-821c-53813e378b29"><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p>
01:25 Introducing today’s episode

03:35 Socioeconomic status can make a large contribution to children’s outcome

04:57 Traumatic experiences mostly happen among poor families

09:27 Non-exhaustive list of things that don’t matter enough to be worth worrying about for parents who are expecting a baby or have one under the age of one

16:05 Verbalization of comparing each baby's milestone can create the conditions that we know can arouse shame in a lot of people surrounding the baby

21:23 Childcare is the sixth most important thing that can make an impact on a baby’s life in their first year of existence

26:42 Dividing the workload as a parent is one of the essential things that is crucial for the babies

33:39 How do our childhood experiences affect how we discipline our children?

39:53 Approaches in planning the baby’s first year of existence is the third most important idea that matters

43:31 Learning how to interpret someone’s behavior as an expression of their need can be crucial for babies

46:42 Identifying parent needs is the most important factor that matters for the baby's development

52:01 Wrapping up the discussion

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<strong>References</strong>

American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (n.d.). Suicide statistics. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/">https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/</a>

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DeSilver, D. (2013, December 19). Global inequality: How the U.S. compares. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/">https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/</a>

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Hirth, J. M., &amp; Berenson, A. B. (2012). Racial/ethnic differences in depressive symptoms among young women: The role of intimate partner violence, trauma, and posttraumatic stress disorder. Journal of women's health, 21(9), 966-974.

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National Institute of Mental Health (2023, July). Major depression. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression#:~:text=disorders%2C%20or%20medication.-,Prevalence%20of%20Major%20Depressive%20Episode%20Among%20Adults,more)%20races%20(13.9%25).">https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression#:~:text=disorders%2C%20or%20medication.-,Prevalence%20of%20Major%20Depressive%20Episode%20Among%20Adults,more)%20races%20(13.9%25).</a>

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United Nations (n.d.) Inequality – Bridging the divide. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequality-bridging-divide#:~:text=The%20measurements%20and%20impacts%20of,urbanisation%20raise%20urgent%20policy%20challenges.">https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequality-bridging-divide#:~:text=The%20measurements%20and%20impacts%20of,urbanisation%20raise%20urgent%20policy%20challenges.</a>

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<em>What truly matters in a baby’s first year? This episode explores the top seven things parents should focus on, helping you set priorities with confidence.</em>

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>How much influence do parents really have on their child’s development?</li><li>What parenting practices actually make a long-term difference?</li><li>Should you be worried about hitting developmental milestones on time?</li><li>How can you support your baby’s emotional well-being from day one?</li><li>What are the best ways to foster a strong parent-child bond?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>What you’ll learn in this episode</h2>
Parenting advice changes constantly, often reflecting shifts in culture and scientific understanding. In this episode, we take a research-backed approach to uncover what truly matters in your baby’s first year—and what doesn’t.
<ul><li><strong>The Myth of the Perfect Parent:</strong>Learn why the definition of “good parenting” has evolved and how cultural expectations influence parenting choices.</li><li><strong>Nature vs. Nurture:</strong>Discover the surprising role genetics and socioeconomic factors play in shaping a child’s future.</li><li><strong>The Truth About Developmental Milestones:</strong>Understand why comparing your child to others can be misleading—and what really matters for long-term success.</li><li><strong>Helping Your Baby Feel Secure:</strong>Explore the key elements of emotional safety and how they support healthy development.</li><li><strong>Building a Strong Parent-Child Connection:</strong>Learn practical strategies to foster trust, communication, and bonding with your baby.</li><li><strong>Making Parenting Easier:</strong>Get clarity on what’s actually worth stressing about—spoiler: fancy baby gear isn’t on the list.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Join us as we use our values to understand how to get parenting right from the start for <em>your </em>baby and family.

&nbsp;

If you’re ready to dive even deeper into these ideas and get hands-on guidance in your parenting journey, our <strong>Right From The Start</strong> course that I run with Hannah &amp; Kelty of Upbringing is here to help.

&nbsp;

It’s designed to give you the confidence and tools to support your baby’s emotional well-being, strengthen your bond, and parent with intention—right from the start.

&nbsp;

You'll get access to nine modules of content on topics like supporting baby's sleep, feeding with confidence, and supporting a strong sibling relationship. You'll also learn how to meet your own needs - because you're a whole person with needs, not just your baby's parent.
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<p data-block-id="block-42cfc0cb-ed29-4d7a-821c-53813e378b29"><strong>Other episodes mentioned</strong></p>

<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/preschool/">081: How can I decide which daycare/preschool is right for my child?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/">079: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/">084: The Science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatmatters/">Q&amp;A#5: What really matters in parenting? Part 1</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

</div>
<p data-block-id="block-42cfc0cb-ed29-4d7a-821c-53813e378b29"><strong>Jump to highlights</strong></p>
01:25 Introducing today’s episode

03:35 Socioeconomic status can make a large contribution to children’s outcome

04:57 Traumatic experiences mostly happen among poor families

09:27 Non-exhaustive list of things that don’t matter enough to be worth worrying about for parents who are expecting a baby or have one under the age of one

16:05 Verbalization of comparing each baby's milestone can create the conditions that we know can arouse shame in a lot of people surrounding the baby

21:23 Childcare is the sixth most important thing that can make an impact on a baby’s life in their first year of existence

26:42 Dividing the workload as a parent is one of the essential things that is crucial for the babies

33:39 How do our childhood experiences affect how we discipline our children?

39:53 Approaches in planning the baby’s first year of existence is the third most important idea that matters

43:31 Learning how to interpret someone’s behavior as an expression of their need can be crucial for babies

46:42 Identifying parent needs is the most important factor that matters for the baby's development

52:01 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (n.d.). Suicide statistics. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/">https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/</a>

<hr />

DeSilver, D. (2013, December 19). Global inequality: How the U.S. compares. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/">https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/</a>

<hr />

Hirth, J. M., &amp; Berenson, A. B. (2012). Racial/ethnic differences in depressive symptoms among young women: The role of intimate partner violence, trauma, and posttraumatic stress disorder. Journal of women's health, 21(9), 966-974.

<hr />

National Institute of Mental Health (2023, July). Major depression. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression#:~:text=disorders%2C%20or%20medication.-,Prevalence%20of%20Major%20Depressive%20Episode%20Among%20Adults,more)%20races%20(13.9%25).">https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression#:~:text=disorders%2C%20or%20medication.-,Prevalence%20of%20Major%20Depressive%20Episode%20Among%20Adults,more)%20races%20(13.9%25).</a>

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United Nations (n.d.) Inequality – Bridging the divide. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequality-bridging-divide#:~:text=The%20measurements%20and%20impacts%20of,urbanisation%20raise%20urgent%20policy%20challenges.">https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequality-bridging-divide#:~:text=The%20measurements%20and%20impacts%20of,urbanisation%20raise%20urgent%20policy%20challenges.</a>

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If you’re exhausted, stretched too thin, and struggling with the stress of parenting, you’re not the only one. Many parents—especially mothers—find themselves running on empty, constantly trying to meet everyone’s needs while their own go unnoticed. Parenting stress can leave you feeling frustrated, drained, and even angry at your kids, whom you love so much.

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In this episode, we’re unpacking why parenting can feel like too much and what we can do about it. We’ll explore the hidden pressures that push parents toward burnout, the unrealistic expectations we place on ourselves, and small shifts that can help you feel more supported, more present, and less overwhelmed by the daily stress of parenting.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>Why does parenting feel so much harder than I expected?</li><li>Is it normal to feel resentful or emotionally drained from the stress of parenting?</li><li>Am I an angry parent? Is this just who I am?</li><li>How can I take care of myself when my kids need me all the time?</li><li>Why do I feel guilty when I set boundaries or ask for help?</li><li>What small, doable changes can I make to feel more balanced and present?</li></ul><br/>
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<h2>What you’ll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why so many parents feel like they’re drowning—and why it’s<em>not your fault</em></li><li>What’s really behind that constant exhaustion and frustration</li><li>Practical ways to lighten the load without adding more to your to-do list</li><li>How small mindset shifts can make parenting feel<em>less</em>overwhelming</li><li>How to recognize when parenting stress is turning you into an angry parent—and what to do about it</li></ul><br/>
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This isn’t about striving for perfection or forcing yourself to do more. It’s about finding simple, meaningful ways to care for yourself while still showing up for your family.

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<strong>Parental Burnout Quiz</strong>

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<strong>Core episodes we reviewed:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/burnout/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">111: Parental Burn Out</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindfulness/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">130: Introduction to mindfulness and meditation with Diana Winston</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">122: Self-compassion for Parents</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/needy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">186: How to meet your needs with Mara Glatzel</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/boundaries/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting</a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Other episodes referenced</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thoughts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">193: You don't have to believe everything you think</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/perfectionism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">121: How to support your perfectionist child</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfesteem/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">017: Don't bother trying to increase your child's self-esteem</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:21 Introduction of episode

04:05 Four key symptoms of parental burnout

05:00 Factors why the parents in some countries burnout more than others.

06:02 Kelly's burnout experience

08:55 Cortisol level on burnout parent

09:28 Important risk factors for burnout

11:30 The roles of societal expectations on parents

12:58 Personal strategies to address burnout

13:37 Mindfulness awareness

20:25 Self-compassion for parents

21:43 Parents debilitating perfectionism

24:20 Strategy for achieving self-compassion

25:54 Introduction on parental neediness

29:33 The common barrier to prioritize needs

31:31 Need that often gets neglected

34:50 Difference between boundaries and limits

38:36 Why we default to limiting so much

39:59 What happens when parents don’t set boundaries

43:13 Reasons why parents feel overwhelmed

49:00 Ideas to bring out to life]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>Feeling Overwhelmed by Parenting Stress? You’re Not Alone.</strong>

If you’re exhausted, stretched too thin, and struggling with the stress of parenting, you’re not the only one. Many parents—especially mothers—find themselves running on empty, constantly trying to meet everyone’s needs while their own go unnoticed. Parenting stress can leave you feeling frustrated, drained, and even angry at your kids, whom you love so much.

&nbsp;

In this episode, we’re unpacking why parenting can feel like too much and what we can do about it. We’ll explore the hidden pressures that push parents toward burnout, the unrealistic expectations we place on ourselves, and small shifts that can help you feel more supported, more present, and less overwhelmed by the daily stress of parenting.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<ul><li>Why does parenting feel so much harder than I expected?</li><li>Is it normal to feel resentful or emotionally drained from the stress of parenting?</li><li>Am I an angry parent? Is this just who I am?</li><li>How can I take care of myself when my kids need me all the time?</li><li>Why do I feel guilty when I set boundaries or ask for help?</li><li>What small, doable changes can I make to feel more balanced and present?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>What you’ll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why so many parents feel like they’re drowning—and why it’s<em>not your fault</em></li><li>What’s really behind that constant exhaustion and frustration</li><li>Practical ways to lighten the load without adding more to your to-do list</li><li>How small mindset shifts can make parenting feel<em>less</em>overwhelming</li><li>How to recognize when parenting stress is turning you into an angry parent—and what to do about it</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

This isn’t about striving for perfection or forcing yourself to do more. It’s about finding simple, meaningful ways to care for yourself while still showing up for your family.

&nbsp;

<strong>Parental Burnout Quiz</strong>

Here's the quiz mentioned in the episode: <a href="https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout</a>

&nbsp;

If you snap at your kids more often than you'd like...

&nbsp;

If your anger seems to come out of nowhere, and you can't stop it...

&nbsp;

If you've promised your kids you won't yell at them as much, but keep on doing it...

&nbsp;

...the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Core episodes we reviewed:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/burnout/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">111: Parental Burn Out</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindfulness/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">130: Introduction to mindfulness and meditation with Diana Winston</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">122: Self-compassion for Parents</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/needy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">186: How to meet your needs with Mara Glatzel</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/boundaries/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thoughts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">193: You don't have to believe everything you think</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/perfectionism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">121: How to support your perfectionist child</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfesteem/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">017: Don't bother trying to increase your child's self-esteem</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:21 Introduction of episode

04:05 Four key symptoms of parental burnout

05:00 Factors why the parents in some countries burnout more than others.

06:02 Kelly's burnout experience

08:55 Cortisol level on burnout parent

09:28 Important risk factors for burnout

11:30 The roles of societal expectations on parents

12:58 Personal strategies to address burnout

13:37 Mindfulness awareness

20:25 Self-compassion for parents

21:43 Parents debilitating perfectionism

24:20 Strategy for achieving self-compassion

25:54 Introduction on parental neediness

29:33 The common barrier to prioritize needs

31:31 Need that often gets neglected

34:50 Difference between boundaries and limits

38:36 Why we default to limiting so much

39:59 What happens when parents don’t set boundaries

43:13 Reasons why parents feel overwhelmed

49:00 Ideas to bring out to life]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/key-skills-overcome-parental-burnout]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a8af8139-b380-4b36-b8e0-4948fde741a7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a8af8139-b380-4b36-b8e0-4948fde741a7.mp3" length="74470537" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>238</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>238</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/0ceb7137-08f5-4700-ab69-e6ff5955bc70/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>237: 8 reasons your child won’t tell you what’s wrong – and how to help</title><itunes:title>237: 8 reasons your child won’t tell you what’s wrong – and how to help</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Struggling to get your child to open up? Discover 8 key reasons kids resist sharing their feelings—and actionable strategies to create real connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why Your Child Won’t Open Up—and What You Can Do</strong>

As parents, we deeply want to support our children, but when we ask, <em>“What’s wrong?”</em> and get silence or resistance in return, it can feel frustrating and confusing. Why won’t they just tell us what’s going on? Whether your child is too young to articulate their emotions, brushes off your questions, or reacts with defiance, you’re not alone.

&nbsp;

In this episode of <em>Your Parenting Mojo</em>, we explore the real reasons children struggle to express their feelings and how we, as parents, might unintentionally make it harder for them to share. You’ll learn practical, connection-based strategies to shift these dynamics, helping your child feel safe enough to open up—without forcing the conversation.

&nbsp;

The episode builds on the ideas in my book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Beyond-Power-Connection-Collaboration/dp/1632174480?tag=googhydr-20&amp;source=dsa&amp;hvcampaign=books&amp;gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9OxBmdttQX4gt3h0LJclh8TG-jY5Y9MdezTQZxURx1_ceqLqs4QQ-dBoCMcIQAvD_BwE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power: How to Use Connection and Collaboration to Transform Your Family - and the World</a>.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>Questions This Episode Will Answer:</strong></h2>
<ul><li>Why does my child shut down when I ask about their feelings?</li><li>How can I encourage my child to express emotions—even if they can't or don't speak?</li><li>Could how I talk to them make them less likely to share?</li><li>How should I respond when they say,<em>“I don’t care”</em>or<em>“Stop talking like that”</em>?</li><li>How can I build long-term trust so they confide in me more?</li><li>What common parenting habits discourage open communication without us realizing it?</li><li>What strategies can I use to make problem-solving conversations feel safe and collaborative?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><strong>What You’ll Learn in This Episode</strong></h2>
<ul><li>8 key reasons why kids resist sharing their emotions.</li><li>How to recognize when your child<em>wants</em>to open up but doesn’t know how.</li><li>The hidden impact of parenting focused on getting the child to behave correctly—and how to shift toward emotional connection.</li><li>How to reframe conversations so your child knows you see, know, and love them for who they really are.</li><li>Actionable tools to help your child feel safe expressing their emotions.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">207: How not to be a permissive parent</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">226: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">227: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 2</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:25 Introduction of episode

02:17 How to problem solve with children who cannot verbally share their feelings

04:34 Children might resist sharing their feelings because we’re focused on changing their behavior

07:53 Children might not participate in the conversation because we judge them

11:51 Children might resist participating in conversation because we have already decided what the “correct” solution is in advance

13:30 We haven’t taken time to understand the child’s needs

16:43 The child might not tell how they feel because they don’t know how they feel

19:56 The child might not tell you what’s wrong because you’re asking them in the heat of the moment

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Lisitsa, E. (2013, May 13). The four horsemen: Contempt. The Gottman Institute. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-contempt/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-contempt/</a>

<hr />

Brittle, Z. (2023, May 29). D is for defensiveness. The Gottman Institute. <a href="https://www.gottman.com/blog/d-is-for-defensiveness/#:~:text=Defensiveness%2C%20defined%20as%20any%20attempt,righteous%20indignation%2C%20counterattack%20and%20whining." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.gottman.com/blog/d-is-for-defensiveness/#:~:text=Defensiveness%2C%20defined%20as%20any%20attempt,righteous%20indignation%2C%20counterattack%20and%20whining.</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Struggling to get your child to open up? Discover 8 key reasons kids resist sharing their feelings—and actionable strategies to create real connection.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why Your Child Won’t Open Up—and What You Can Do</strong>

As parents, we deeply want to support our children, but when we ask, <em>“What’s wrong?”</em> and get silence or resistance in return, it can feel frustrating and confusing. Why won’t they just tell us what’s going on? Whether your child is too young to articulate their emotions, brushes off your questions, or reacts with defiance, you’re not alone.

&nbsp;

In this episode of <em>Your Parenting Mojo</em>, we explore the real reasons children struggle to express their feelings and how we, as parents, might unintentionally make it harder for them to share. You’ll learn practical, connection-based strategies to shift these dynamics, helping your child feel safe enough to open up—without forcing the conversation.

&nbsp;

The episode builds on the ideas in my book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Beyond-Power-Connection-Collaboration/dp/1632174480?tag=googhydr-20&amp;source=dsa&amp;hvcampaign=books&amp;gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9OxBmdttQX4gt3h0LJclh8TG-jY5Y9MdezTQZxURx1_ceqLqs4QQ-dBoCMcIQAvD_BwE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power: How to Use Connection and Collaboration to Transform Your Family - and the World</a>.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>Questions This Episode Will Answer:</strong></h2>
<ul><li>Why does my child shut down when I ask about their feelings?</li><li>How can I encourage my child to express emotions—even if they can't or don't speak?</li><li>Could how I talk to them make them less likely to share?</li><li>How should I respond when they say,<em>“I don’t care”</em>or<em>“Stop talking like that”</em>?</li><li>How can I build long-term trust so they confide in me more?</li><li>What common parenting habits discourage open communication without us realizing it?</li><li>What strategies can I use to make problem-solving conversations feel safe and collaborative?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><strong>What You’ll Learn in This Episode</strong></h2>
<ul><li>8 key reasons why kids resist sharing their emotions.</li><li>How to recognize when your child<em>wants</em>to open up but doesn’t know how.</li><li>The hidden impact of parenting focused on getting the child to behave correctly—and how to shift toward emotional connection.</li><li>How to reframe conversations so your child knows you see, know, and love them for who they really are.</li><li>Actionable tools to help your child feel safe expressing their emotions.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong></h3>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">207: How not to be a permissive parent</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">226: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">227: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 2</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:25 Introduction of episode

02:17 How to problem solve with children who cannot verbally share their feelings

04:34 Children might resist sharing their feelings because we’re focused on changing their behavior

07:53 Children might not participate in the conversation because we judge them

11:51 Children might resist participating in conversation because we have already decided what the “correct” solution is in advance

13:30 We haven’t taken time to understand the child’s needs

16:43 The child might not tell how they feel because they don’t know how they feel

19:56 The child might not tell you what’s wrong because you’re asking them in the heat of the moment

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Lisitsa, E. (2013, May 13). The four horsemen: Contempt. The Gottman Institute. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-contempt/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-contempt/</a>

<hr />

Brittle, Z. (2023, May 29). D is for defensiveness. The Gottman Institute. <a href="https://www.gottman.com/blog/d-is-for-defensiveness/#:~:text=Defensiveness%2C%20defined%20as%20any%20attempt,righteous%20indignation%2C%20counterattack%20and%20whining." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.gottman.com/blog/d-is-for-defensiveness/#:~:text=Defensiveness%2C%20defined%20as%20any%20attempt,righteous%20indignation%2C%20counterattack%20and%20whining.</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/child-wont-tell-you-whats-wrong]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">851cf2f6-2cf1-4bbe-a0c5-5d7e9c510fd9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/851cf2f6-2cf1-4bbe-a0c5-5d7e9c510fd9.mp3" length="37108873" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:46</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>237</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>237</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/acabb33c-4b08-4fe9-bd34-903545df9d16/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>236: How to heal the anger in your relationship with your spouse</title><itunes:title>236: How to heal the anger in your relationship with your spouse</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>How to heal the anger in your relationship with your spouse</h1>
Parent Laurie was doing really well when she had two kids. She had been with her partner for a long time, she had just achieved her first managerial role at work, and things were going great - so they thought it would be a good time to add a third child.

&nbsp;

Then: Pandemic. Two kids under three. The oldest child started school and had problems that were diagnosed as ADHD and Autism. Navigating all the appointments and calls from school took so much time that Laurie dropped down to part-time work, so her salary would no longer cover the cost of childcare. She quit her job and became a stay-at-home parent.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>The Anger Begins</strong></h2>
Then the anger and rage began. Laurie had always had anger throughout her whole life, and thought she knew how to handle it - but this rage was a different story. It felt like she wasn't in control, which is the complete opposite of how she wanted to show up as a parent and as a partner - so she felt deeply ashamed of it.

&nbsp;

Her husband Jordan bore the brunt of it - for big issues and small. They had a mouse problem...and one day he left Goldfish crackers out. Laurie was like the villainous octopus witch Ursula from The Little Mermaid who wanted to tear everything down - to tear HIM down.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>The Impact of Anger on Laurie's Kids</strong></h2>
Of course her kids heard all of this. Not long after his diagnosis, her oldest son had given a presentation to his class about his family, and he introduced Laurie by saying: "No matter what happens, my Mom is calm and unflappable and she can handle it." It was Laurie's parenting dream come true, since she didn't grow up in a calm house.

&nbsp;

Laurie felt so ashamed that she wasn't the calm center of the family anymore, and that her kids were afraid of her.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>Where the Anger Comes From</strong></h2>
Then she started to learn the sources of her triggered feelings from waaay back in that not-so-calm household. She also learned that getting her husband to change his behavior was <em>not</em> the answer - even though she very much wanted it to be the answer!

&nbsp;

She started to heal from the hurts she's experienced, and has learned how to sit with her rage without making it her husband's fault. And from there, she's begun to feel the rage less often.

&nbsp;

Now there are more 'magical' moments in their relationship, as they share silly texts like they used to before they had kids.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>How to Repair After Anger</strong></h2>
Laurie shares her story in this extraordinarily revealing interview. And at the end I coach her on a challenge she faced that very morning: she's now aware of the difference between <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/feelings" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">feelings</a> and fake feelings (that are really judgments in disguise). But even though she knows the difference she can't always stop herself from directing the <s>fake feelings</s> judgments at her husband - which had started a fight that day.

&nbsp;

We talked through how to avoid the judgments next time - and how to repair effectively with her husband later that night. I also share a message Laurie sent me about how the repair went!

&nbsp;

I hope you enjoy this inspiring conversation.

&nbsp;
<h4><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h4>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <strong>Taming Your Triggers workshop</strong> will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dogtrainers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:55 Laurie’s introduction

13:40 Laurie’s intentions when she joined the Taming Your Triggers workshop

23:17 The tools that Laurie put into practice and found helpful

34:32 The changes that Laurie has seen in her family

39:18 Importance of recognizing fake feelings and needs

45:25 Doing difficult behavior to receive connection

49:54 Seeing when you feel agitated in your body

54:26 Starting a non-judgmental observation]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>How to heal the anger in your relationship with your spouse</h1>
Parent Laurie was doing really well when she had two kids. She had been with her partner for a long time, she had just achieved her first managerial role at work, and things were going great - so they thought it would be a good time to add a third child.

&nbsp;

Then: Pandemic. Two kids under three. The oldest child started school and had problems that were diagnosed as ADHD and Autism. Navigating all the appointments and calls from school took so much time that Laurie dropped down to part-time work, so her salary would no longer cover the cost of childcare. She quit her job and became a stay-at-home parent.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>The Anger Begins</strong></h2>
Then the anger and rage began. Laurie had always had anger throughout her whole life, and thought she knew how to handle it - but this rage was a different story. It felt like she wasn't in control, which is the complete opposite of how she wanted to show up as a parent and as a partner - so she felt deeply ashamed of it.

&nbsp;

Her husband Jordan bore the brunt of it - for big issues and small. They had a mouse problem...and one day he left Goldfish crackers out. Laurie was like the villainous octopus witch Ursula from The Little Mermaid who wanted to tear everything down - to tear HIM down.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>The Impact of Anger on Laurie's Kids</strong></h2>
Of course her kids heard all of this. Not long after his diagnosis, her oldest son had given a presentation to his class about his family, and he introduced Laurie by saying: "No matter what happens, my Mom is calm and unflappable and she can handle it." It was Laurie's parenting dream come true, since she didn't grow up in a calm house.

&nbsp;

Laurie felt so ashamed that she wasn't the calm center of the family anymore, and that her kids were afraid of her.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>Where the Anger Comes From</strong></h2>
Then she started to learn the sources of her triggered feelings from waaay back in that not-so-calm household. She also learned that getting her husband to change his behavior was <em>not</em> the answer - even though she very much wanted it to be the answer!

&nbsp;

She started to heal from the hurts she's experienced, and has learned how to sit with her rage without making it her husband's fault. And from there, she's begun to feel the rage less often.

&nbsp;

Now there are more 'magical' moments in their relationship, as they share silly texts like they used to before they had kids.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>How to Repair After Anger</strong></h2>
Laurie shares her story in this extraordinarily revealing interview. And at the end I coach her on a challenge she faced that very morning: she's now aware of the difference between <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/feelings" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">feelings</a> and fake feelings (that are really judgments in disguise). But even though she knows the difference she can't always stop herself from directing the <s>fake feelings</s> judgments at her husband - which had started a fight that day.

&nbsp;

We talked through how to avoid the judgments next time - and how to repair effectively with her husband later that night. I also share a message Laurie sent me about how the repair went!

&nbsp;

I hope you enjoy this inspiring conversation.

&nbsp;
<h4><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h4>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <strong>Taming Your Triggers workshop</strong> will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dogtrainers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:55 Laurie’s introduction

13:40 Laurie’s intentions when she joined the Taming Your Triggers workshop

23:17 The tools that Laurie put into practice and found helpful

34:32 The changes that Laurie has seen in her family

39:18 Importance of recognizing fake feelings and needs

45:25 Doing difficult behavior to receive connection

49:54 Seeing when you feel agitated in your body

54:26 Starting a non-judgmental observation]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/why-am-i-so-angry-with-my-husband]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a03bcdf0-9f89-4c46-b6fe-edb4fd7f9bce</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a03bcdf0-9f89-4c46-b6fe-edb4fd7f9bce.mp3" length="96188041" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:06:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>236</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>236</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6dcb4184-ec58-49fd-871c-35151a9c8bab/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>235: Children’s threats: What they mean and how to respond</title><itunes:title>235: Children’s threats: What they mean and how to respond</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>Children’s threats: What they mean and how to respond</h2>
<em>"If you don't give me a lollipop, I won't be your friend anymore.” </em>

&nbsp;

Said to a sibling: <em>“If you don’t come and sit down, I'll take your toy.” “If you don't give me candy before dinner, I'll hit you.”</em>

&nbsp;

Has your child made threats like this (or worse ones) when things don't go their way?

&nbsp;

Whether it’s yelling, “I’ll never be your friend again!” or threatening to hurt you, hearing these words can stop you in your tracks.

&nbsp;

Why do our kids say things like this? Where do they even get the idea to use threats, when we've never said anything like this to them and we don't think they've heard it from screen time either?

&nbsp;

In this week's episode we'll dig deeply into these questions, and learn how to respond both in the moment the threat has happened - as well as what to do to reduce future threats.

&nbsp;

You’ll hear:
<ul><li>A step-by-step strategy to deal with a real-life example - from the parent whose child said "If you don't lie down with me I will shatter your eyeballs!"</li><li>The phrases we use with our kids that might unintentionally encourage this kind of behavior</li><li>Specific, practical tools to use in the moment - and long before tensions escalate</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Are you ready to turn these tough moments into opportunities for deeper connection?

&nbsp;

Tune in to the episode today.

&nbsp;

And what happens to you when your child threatens you?

&nbsp;

Do you lose your mind?

&nbsp;

Do you freak out that you might be raising a child who needs help to defuse violent tendencies, and then yell at them because their threats are SO INAPPROPRIATE?

&nbsp;

Hopefully this episode reassures you that that isn't the case. But that may not eliminate your triggered feelings - because these don't always respond to logic.

&nbsp;
<h4><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h4>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

...the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/chrystal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 013: Triggered all the time to emotional safety</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dogtrainers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:03 Introduction of Reddit post about a child threatening his parent

19:27 The child listens but doesn’t do what they’re told

36:21 Recognizing the signals

42:42 Recognize the background stress

&nbsp;

Need help with serious credible threats? Get in touch with the <a href="https://www.thehotline.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">National Domestic Violence Hotline</a>.

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Centers for Disease Control (n.d.) About sexual violence. Author. Retrieved from: https://www.cdc.gov/sexual-violence/about/index.html#:~:text=Over%20half%20of%20women%20and,experienced%20completed%20or%20attempted%20rape.

<hr />

Lunasduel (2020). 3.5 year old giving violent threats. Reddit. Retrieved from: https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/doma9m/35_year_old_giving_violent_threats/

<hr />

Rutherford, A. (2018, September 17). What the origins of the ‘1 in 5’ statistic teaches us about sexual assault policy. Behavioral Scientist. Retrieved from: https://behavioralscientist.org/what-the-origins-of-the-1-in-5-statistic-teaches-us-about-sexual-assault-policy/#:~:text=Referring%20to%20the%20number%20of,prevent%2C%20and%20prosecute%20sexual%20assault.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Children’s threats: What they mean and how to respond</h2>
<em>"If you don't give me a lollipop, I won't be your friend anymore.” </em>

&nbsp;

Said to a sibling: <em>“If you don’t come and sit down, I'll take your toy.” “If you don't give me candy before dinner, I'll hit you.”</em>

&nbsp;

Has your child made threats like this (or worse ones) when things don't go their way?

&nbsp;

Whether it’s yelling, “I’ll never be your friend again!” or threatening to hurt you, hearing these words can stop you in your tracks.

&nbsp;

Why do our kids say things like this? Where do they even get the idea to use threats, when we've never said anything like this to them and we don't think they've heard it from screen time either?

&nbsp;

In this week's episode we'll dig deeply into these questions, and learn how to respond both in the moment the threat has happened - as well as what to do to reduce future threats.

&nbsp;

You’ll hear:
<ul><li>A step-by-step strategy to deal with a real-life example - from the parent whose child said "If you don't lie down with me I will shatter your eyeballs!"</li><li>The phrases we use with our kids that might unintentionally encourage this kind of behavior</li><li>Specific, practical tools to use in the moment - and long before tensions escalate</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Are you ready to turn these tough moments into opportunities for deeper connection?

&nbsp;

Tune in to the episode today.

&nbsp;

And what happens to you when your child threatens you?

&nbsp;

Do you lose your mind?

&nbsp;

Do you freak out that you might be raising a child who needs help to defuse violent tendencies, and then yell at them because their threats are SO INAPPROPRIATE?

&nbsp;

Hopefully this episode reassures you that that isn't the case. But that may not eliminate your triggered feelings - because these don't always respond to logic.

&nbsp;
<h4><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h4>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

...the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/chrystal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 013: Triggered all the time to emotional safety</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dogtrainers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:03 Introduction of Reddit post about a child threatening his parent

19:27 The child listens but doesn’t do what they’re told

36:21 Recognizing the signals

42:42 Recognize the background stress

&nbsp;

Need help with serious credible threats? Get in touch with the <a href="https://www.thehotline.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">National Domestic Violence Hotline</a>.

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Centers for Disease Control (n.d.) About sexual violence. Author. Retrieved from: https://www.cdc.gov/sexual-violence/about/index.html#:~:text=Over%20half%20of%20women%20and,experienced%20completed%20or%20attempted%20rape.

<hr />

Lunasduel (2020). 3.5 year old giving violent threats. Reddit. Retrieved from: https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/doma9m/35_year_old_giving_violent_threats/

<hr />

Rutherford, A. (2018, September 17). What the origins of the ‘1 in 5’ statistic teaches us about sexual assault policy. Behavioral Scientist. Retrieved from: https://behavioralscientist.org/what-the-origins-of-the-1-in-5-statistic-teaches-us-about-sexual-assault-policy/#:~:text=Referring%20to%20the%20number%20of,prevent%2C%20and%20prosecute%20sexual%20assault.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/what-to-do-when-your-child-threatens-you]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ad45e768-181e-4c2d-9987-d3ba0b455b6a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ad45e768-181e-4c2d-9987-d3ba0b455b6a.mp3" length="76689289" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>235</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>235</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/c24cf740-7286-401b-932e-636657e54e35/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>234: The problem with Time Outs: Why they fail, and what to do Instead</title><itunes:title>234: The problem with Time Outs: Why they fail, and what to do Instead</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1><strong>The Problem with Time Outs: Why They Fail, and What to Do Instead</strong></h1>
Recently, in <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/timeoutsforkids" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 1</a> of this two-part mini-series, we began looking at a question from listener Melissa: <em>"Can time-outs ever have a place in a respectful parenting approach?  (And if not, </em><strong><em>what else am I supposed to do when my kid looks me in the eye and does something he knows he’s not supposed to do?)</em></strong><em>" </em>That episode looked at the academic research on the effectiveness of time-outs, what else might account for the research that finds them ‘effective,’ and whether time-outs might harm children even if the research says they don’t.

&nbsp;

Today’s episode builds on Part 1 by exploring why time outs often fail to address misbehavior effectively - and may harm parent-child relationships.

Key points include:
<ul><li><strong>We often don’t understand the distinction between misbehavior and emotional distress</strong>: Researchers agree that we should use time-outs when children misbehave, but not when they’re emotionally distressed.  But what if we aren’t as good at telling the difference between those two states as we think we are?</li><li><strong>Understanding why children do things we tell them not to do</strong>: We look specifically at what Melissa’s 3 ½-year-old son is doing - things like poking her face, throwing a toy when she’s told him not to, and dropping food on the floor during dinner, as well as pulling his sister’s hair, and hitting/kicking her.</li><li><strong>How alternatives to time out are even more effective</strong>: Even in controlled lab settings, compliance after time-outs often doesn’t exceed 60%.  We’ll meet parent Kendra, whose child had an Oppositional Defiant Disorder diagnosis that she no longer believes is true now she’s using the tools we discuss in this episode.</li></ul><br/>
Drawing on research and these real-life stories, this episode offers actionable insights for parents who want effective alternatives to time-outs.Whether you’re dealing with boundary-testing toddlers or older children’s challenging behaviors, this episode provides tools to help you deal with your child’s misbehavior by creating empathy and trust, rather than disconnection and resentment.Love what you’re learning? Support the show and help us keep delivering insightful episodes like this one! 👉  Click here: <a href="https://learn.yourparentingmojo.com/donate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://learn.yourparentingmojo.com/donate</a>

&nbsp;

Ready to test your parenting instincts? Take our free quiz to see how these strategies could work for you!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/quiz/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h3>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 227:Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 2</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 226:Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/stopusingpower/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 213:How to stop using power over your child (and still get things done)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 207:How to not be a permissive parent</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:52 Review of previous episode on timeouts

05:41 Understanding emotional distress and misbehavior

15:51 Addressing misbehavior without timeouts

19:30 The role of emotion regulation in parenting

36:02 Alternatives to timeouts

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Allen, K. D., &amp; Warzak, W. J. (2000). The problem of parental nonadherence in clinical behavior analysis: Effective treatment is not enough. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>33</em>(3), 373-391.

<hr />

Bostow, D. E., &amp; Bailey, J. B. (1969). Modification of severe disruptive and aggressive behavior using brief timeout and reinforcement procedures. <em>Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis</em>, <em>2</em>(1), 31-37.

<hr />

Brown, G. D., &amp; Tyler Jr, V. O. (1968). Time out from reinforcement: A technique for dethroning the “duke” of an institutionalized delinquent group. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry</em>, <em>9</em>(3‐4), 203-211.

<hr />

Burchard, J. D., &amp; Barrera, F. (1972). AN ANALYSIS OF TIMEOUT AND RESPONSE COST IN A PROGRAMMED ENVIRONMENT 1. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>5</em>(3), 271-282.

<hr />

Carraturo, F., Di Perna, T., Giannicola, V., Nacchia, M. A., Pepe, M., Muzii, B., ... &amp; Scandurra, C. (2023). Envy, social comparison, and depression on social networking sites: a systematic review. <em>European Journal of Investigation in Health, Psychology and Education</em>, <em>13</em>(2), 364-376.

<hr />

Corralejo, S. M., Jensen, S. A., Greathouse, A. D., &amp; Ward, L. E. (2018). Parameters of time-out: Research update and comparison to parenting programs, books, and online recommendations. <em>Behavior therapy</em>, <em>49</em>(1), 99-112.

<hr />

Everett, G. E., Hupp, S. D., &amp; Olmi, D. J. (2010). Time-out with parents: A descriptive analysis of 30 years of research. <em>Education and Treatment of Children</em>, <em>33</em>(2), 235-259.

<hr />

Kendall, S. B. (1965). Spontaneous recovery after extinction with periodic time-outs. <em>Psychonomic Science</em>, <em>2</em>, 117-118.

<hr />

Knight, R. M., Albright, J., Deling, L., Dore-Stites, D., &amp; Drayton, A. K. (2020). Longitudinal relationship between time-out and child emotional and behavioral functioning. <em>Journal of Developmental &amp; Behavioral Pediatrics</em>, <em>41</em>(1), 31-37.

<hr />

Larzelere, R. E., &amp; Raumrind, D. (2010). Are spanking injunctions scientifically supported. <em>Law &amp; Contemp. Probs.</em>, <em>73</em>, 57.

<hr />

Larzelere, R. E., Gunnoe, M. L., Pritsker, J., &amp; Ferguson, C. J. (2024). Resolving the Contradictory Conclusions from Three Reviews of Controlled Longitudinal Studies of Physical Punishment: A Meta-Analysis. <em>Marriage &amp; Family Review</em>, <em>60</em>(7), 395-433.

<hr />

Leitenberg, H. (1965). Is time-out from positive reinforcement an aversive event? A review of the experimental evidence. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>64</em>(6), 428.

<hr />

Lieneman, C. C., Girard, E. I., Quetsch, L. B., &amp; McNeil, C. B. (2020). Emotion regulation and attrition in parent–child interaction therapy. <em>Journal of child and family studies</em>, <em>29</em>, 978-996.

<hr />

Morawska, A., &amp; Sanders, M. (2011). Parental use of time out revisited: A useful or harmful parenting strategy? <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies 20</em>, 1-8.

<hr />

Risley, T. R. (1968). The effects and side effects of punishing the autistic behaviors of a deviant child. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>1</em>(1), 21-34.

<hr />

Roberts, M. W. (1988). Enforcing chair timeouts with room timeouts. <em>Behavior Modification</em>, <em>12</em>(3), 353-370.

<hr />

Roberts, M. W. (1982). Resistance to timeout: Some normative data. <em>Behavioral Assessment4</em>, 239-246.

<hr />

Roberts, S. (2021, June 3). Arthur Staats dies at 97; called ‘time out’ for unruly kids. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html</a>

<hr />

Rubenstein, L., &amp; Mourino, A. P. (1983). Time-out: an evaluation of a behavior management technique. <em>Pediatr Dent</em>, <em>5</em>(2), 109-112.

<hr />

Samra, A., Warburton, W. A., &amp; Collins, A. M. (2022). Social comparisons: A potential mechanism linking problematic social media use with depression. <em>Journal of Behavioral Addictions</em>.

<hr />

Sanders, M. R., Bor, W., &amp; Morawska, A. (2007). Maintenance of treatment gains: a comparison of enhanced, standard, and self-directed Triple P-Positive Parenting Program. <em>Journal of abnormal child psychology</em>, <em>35</em>, 983-998.

<hr />

Siegel, D. (2014, October 29). You said WHAT about Time-Outs?! Dr. Dan Siegel. Retrieved from: <a href="https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/</a>

<hr />

Spitalnik, R., &amp; Drabman, R. (1976). A classroom timeout procedure for retarded children. <em>Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry</em>, <em>7</em>(1), 17-21.

<hr />

“The Colombo Family,”]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1><strong>The Problem with Time Outs: Why They Fail, and What to Do Instead</strong></h1>
Recently, in <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/timeoutsforkids" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Part 1</a> of this two-part mini-series, we began looking at a question from listener Melissa: <em>"Can time-outs ever have a place in a respectful parenting approach?  (And if not, </em><strong><em>what else am I supposed to do when my kid looks me in the eye and does something he knows he’s not supposed to do?)</em></strong><em>" </em>That episode looked at the academic research on the effectiveness of time-outs, what else might account for the research that finds them ‘effective,’ and whether time-outs might harm children even if the research says they don’t.

&nbsp;

Today’s episode builds on Part 1 by exploring why time outs often fail to address misbehavior effectively - and may harm parent-child relationships.

Key points include:
<ul><li><strong>We often don’t understand the distinction between misbehavior and emotional distress</strong>: Researchers agree that we should use time-outs when children misbehave, but not when they’re emotionally distressed.  But what if we aren’t as good at telling the difference between those two states as we think we are?</li><li><strong>Understanding why children do things we tell them not to do</strong>: We look specifically at what Melissa’s 3 ½-year-old son is doing - things like poking her face, throwing a toy when she’s told him not to, and dropping food on the floor during dinner, as well as pulling his sister’s hair, and hitting/kicking her.</li><li><strong>How alternatives to time out are even more effective</strong>: Even in controlled lab settings, compliance after time-outs often doesn’t exceed 60%.  We’ll meet parent Kendra, whose child had an Oppositional Defiant Disorder diagnosis that she no longer believes is true now she’s using the tools we discuss in this episode.</li></ul><br/>
Drawing on research and these real-life stories, this episode offers actionable insights for parents who want effective alternatives to time-outs.Whether you’re dealing with boundary-testing toddlers or older children’s challenging behaviors, this episode provides tools to help you deal with your child’s misbehavior by creating empathy and trust, rather than disconnection and resentment.Love what you’re learning? Support the show and help us keep delivering insightful episodes like this one! 👉  Click here: <a href="https://learn.yourparentingmojo.com/donate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://learn.yourparentingmojo.com/donate</a>

&nbsp;

Ready to test your parenting instincts? Take our free quiz to see how these strategies could work for you!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/quiz/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong></h3>
If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"><img class="alignnone wp-image-15882 size-full" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Podcast-Banners-6.png" alt="" width="3000" height="1688" /></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 227:Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 2</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 226:Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/stopusingpower/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 213:How to stop using power over your child (and still get things done)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 207:How to not be a permissive parent</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:52 Review of previous episode on timeouts

05:41 Understanding emotional distress and misbehavior

15:51 Addressing misbehavior without timeouts

19:30 The role of emotion regulation in parenting

36:02 Alternatives to timeouts

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Allen, K. D., &amp; Warzak, W. J. (2000). The problem of parental nonadherence in clinical behavior analysis: Effective treatment is not enough. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>33</em>(3), 373-391.

<hr />

Bostow, D. E., &amp; Bailey, J. B. (1969). Modification of severe disruptive and aggressive behavior using brief timeout and reinforcement procedures. <em>Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis</em>, <em>2</em>(1), 31-37.

<hr />

Brown, G. D., &amp; Tyler Jr, V. O. (1968). Time out from reinforcement: A technique for dethroning the “duke” of an institutionalized delinquent group. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry</em>, <em>9</em>(3‐4), 203-211.

<hr />

Burchard, J. D., &amp; Barrera, F. (1972). AN ANALYSIS OF TIMEOUT AND RESPONSE COST IN A PROGRAMMED ENVIRONMENT 1. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>5</em>(3), 271-282.

<hr />

Carraturo, F., Di Perna, T., Giannicola, V., Nacchia, M. A., Pepe, M., Muzii, B., ... &amp; Scandurra, C. (2023). Envy, social comparison, and depression on social networking sites: a systematic review. <em>European Journal of Investigation in Health, Psychology and Education</em>, <em>13</em>(2), 364-376.

<hr />

Corralejo, S. M., Jensen, S. A., Greathouse, A. D., &amp; Ward, L. E. (2018). Parameters of time-out: Research update and comparison to parenting programs, books, and online recommendations. <em>Behavior therapy</em>, <em>49</em>(1), 99-112.

<hr />

Everett, G. E., Hupp, S. D., &amp; Olmi, D. J. (2010). Time-out with parents: A descriptive analysis of 30 years of research. <em>Education and Treatment of Children</em>, <em>33</em>(2), 235-259.

<hr />

Kendall, S. B. (1965). Spontaneous recovery after extinction with periodic time-outs. <em>Psychonomic Science</em>, <em>2</em>, 117-118.

<hr />

Knight, R. M., Albright, J., Deling, L., Dore-Stites, D., &amp; Drayton, A. K. (2020). Longitudinal relationship between time-out and child emotional and behavioral functioning. <em>Journal of Developmental &amp; Behavioral Pediatrics</em>, <em>41</em>(1), 31-37.

<hr />

Larzelere, R. E., &amp; Raumrind, D. (2010). Are spanking injunctions scientifically supported. <em>Law &amp; Contemp. Probs.</em>, <em>73</em>, 57.

<hr />

Larzelere, R. E., Gunnoe, M. L., Pritsker, J., &amp; Ferguson, C. J. (2024). Resolving the Contradictory Conclusions from Three Reviews of Controlled Longitudinal Studies of Physical Punishment: A Meta-Analysis. <em>Marriage &amp; Family Review</em>, <em>60</em>(7), 395-433.

<hr />

Leitenberg, H. (1965). Is time-out from positive reinforcement an aversive event? A review of the experimental evidence. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>64</em>(6), 428.

<hr />

Lieneman, C. C., Girard, E. I., Quetsch, L. B., &amp; McNeil, C. B. (2020). Emotion regulation and attrition in parent–child interaction therapy. <em>Journal of child and family studies</em>, <em>29</em>, 978-996.

<hr />

Morawska, A., &amp; Sanders, M. (2011). Parental use of time out revisited: A useful or harmful parenting strategy? <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies 20</em>, 1-8.

<hr />

Risley, T. R. (1968). The effects and side effects of punishing the autistic behaviors of a deviant child. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>1</em>(1), 21-34.

<hr />

Roberts, M. W. (1988). Enforcing chair timeouts with room timeouts. <em>Behavior Modification</em>, <em>12</em>(3), 353-370.

<hr />

Roberts, M. W. (1982). Resistance to timeout: Some normative data. <em>Behavioral Assessment4</em>, 239-246.

<hr />

Roberts, S. (2021, June 3). Arthur Staats dies at 97; called ‘time out’ for unruly kids. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html</a>

<hr />

Rubenstein, L., &amp; Mourino, A. P. (1983). Time-out: an evaluation of a behavior management technique. <em>Pediatr Dent</em>, <em>5</em>(2), 109-112.

<hr />

Samra, A., Warburton, W. A., &amp; Collins, A. M. (2022). Social comparisons: A potential mechanism linking problematic social media use with depression. <em>Journal of Behavioral Addictions</em>.

<hr />

Sanders, M. R., Bor, W., &amp; Morawska, A. (2007). Maintenance of treatment gains: a comparison of enhanced, standard, and self-directed Triple P-Positive Parenting Program. <em>Journal of abnormal child psychology</em>, <em>35</em>, 983-998.

<hr />

Siegel, D. (2014, October 29). You said WHAT about Time-Outs?! Dr. Dan Siegel. Retrieved from: <a href="https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/</a>

<hr />

Spitalnik, R., &amp; Drabman, R. (1976). A classroom timeout procedure for retarded children. <em>Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry</em>, <em>7</em>(1), 17-21.

<hr />

“The Colombo Family,” Supernanny. Season 7, Episode 9. Ricochet Television, 2011.

<hr />

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Essentials for parenting toddlers and preschoolers. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/about/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/about/index.html</a>

<hr />

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Tips for Time Out. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/time-out/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/time-out/index.html</a>

<hr />

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Treatment of ADHD. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/treatment/?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/treatment.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/treatment/?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/treatment.html</a>

<hr />

Vander Schaaf, S. (2019, March 9). The man who developed timeouts for kids now stands by his hotly-debated idea. Washington Post. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-man-who-developed-timeouts-for-kids-stands-by-his-now-hotly-debated-idea/2019/03/08/c169439e-3159-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-man-who-developed-timeouts-for-kids-stands-by-his-now-hotly-debated-idea/2019/03/08/c169439e-3159-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html</a>

<hr />

Webster-Stratton, C., Reid, M. J., &amp; Hammond, M. (2004). Treating children with early-onset conduct problems: Intervention outcomes for parent, child, and teacher training. <em>Journal of clinical child and adolescent psychology</em>, <em>33</em>(1), 105-124.

<hr />

Weinberg, M. K., Beeghly, M., Olson, K. L., &amp; Tronick, E. (2008). A still-face paradigm for young children: 2½ year-olds’ reactions to maternal unavailability during the still-face. The journal of developmental processes, 3(1), 4.

<hr />

Willoughby, R. H. (1969). The effects of time-out from positive reinforcement on the operant behavior of preschool children. <em>Journal of Experimental Child Psychology</em>, <em>7</em>(2), 299-313.

<hr />

Willoughby, R. H. (1970). The influence of different response consequences on children's preference for time-out. <em>Journal of Experimental Child Psychology</em>, <em>9</em>(2), 133-141.

<hr />

Wolf, M., Risley, T., &amp; Mees, H. (1963). Application of operant conditioning procedures to the behaviour problems of an autistic child. <em>Behaviour Research and Therapy</em>, <em>1</em>(2-4), 305-312.

<hr />

Wolraich, M. L., Hagan, J. F., Allan, C., Chan, E., Davison, D., Earls, M., ... &amp; Zurhellen, W. (2019). Clinical practice guideline for the diagnosis, evaluation, and treatment of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder in children and adolescents. <em>Pediatrics</em>, <em>144</em>(4).

<hr />

Xu, Jingyi, Lucy A. Tully, and Mark R. Dadds. "Generation time-out grows up: young adults’ reports about childhood time-out use and their mental health, attachment, and emotion regulation." <em>European Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry</em> (2024): 1-9.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/the-problem-with-time-outs]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d4e45305-bfdf-480e-b898-670491f636ce</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d4e45305-bfdf-480e-b898-670491f636ce.mp3" length="51788233" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:58</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>234</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>234</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6109277e-d14a-4bdb-b001-fa794e3f91e5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</title><itunes:title>233: Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</h1>
Pediatricians and researchers commonly recommend that parents use time outs when kids misbehave.  Time outs are promoted as an effective, evidence-based parenting strategy - although the real reason they’re so highly recommended is that they cause less damage to children than hitting.But if we’re already using respectful/gentle parenting strategies most of the time, could there be any benefit to adding time outs when our children don’t comply with more gentle methods?

&nbsp;

This episode delves into the research on:
<ul><li><strong>Which children and families researchers think time outs are effective for</strong>(it’s not the same group of children who are usually study participants!);</li><li><strong>The precise time out script that has been shown to be effective</strong>(and why it works);</li><li><strong>Whether time outs harm children or not</strong>(this is one of the biggest controversies in the Gentle Parenting world)</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you’ve heard that time out is an effective strategy to gain children’s cooperation but weren’t sure whether it fits with your Gentle Parenting approach, this episode will help you to decide for yourself whether it’s a good fit for you and your family.

&nbsp;

<strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong>

If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wonderweekspart2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 231: How to support baby’s development after a Wonder Week</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wonderweekspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 230: Do all babies have Wonder Weeks? Here’s what the research says</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 154: Authoritative is not the best parenting style</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgapconsequences/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgap/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:03 Introduction

10:23 Historical context and research on timeouts

17:26 Critical analysis of timeout research

28:36 Effective implementation of timeouts

33:59 Challenges and limitations of timeouts

41:49 Jen's personal experiences and emotional impact

49:29 Alternative perspectives and values

57:39 Conclusion and next steps

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Allen, K. D., &amp; Warzak, W. J. (2000). The problem of parental nonadherence in clinical behavior analysis: Effective treatment is not enough. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>33</em>(3), 373-391.

<hr />

Bostow, D. E., &amp; Bailey, J. B. (1969). Modification of severe disruptive and aggressive behavior using brief timeout and reinforcement procedures. <em>Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis</em>, <em>2</em>(1), 31-37.

<hr />

Brown, G. D., &amp; Tyler Jr, V. O. (1968). Time out from reinforcement: A technique for dethroning the “duke” of an institutionalized delinquent group. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry</em>, <em>9</em>(3‐4), 203-211.

<hr />

Burchard, J. D., &amp; Barrera, F. (1972). AN ANALYSIS OF TIMEOUT AND RESPONSE COST IN A PROGRAMMED ENVIRONMENT 1. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>5</em>(3), 271-282.

<hr />

Carraturo, F., Di Perna, T., Giannicola, V., Nacchia, M. A., Pepe, M., Muzii, B., ... &amp; Scandurra, C. (2023). Envy, social comparison, and depression on social networking sites: a systematic review. <em>European Journal of Investigation in Health, Psychology and Education</em>, <em>13</em>(2), 364-376.

<hr />

Corralejo, S. M., Jensen, S. A., Greathouse, A. D., &amp; Ward, L. E. (2018). Parameters of time-out: Research update and comparison to parenting programs, books, and online recommendations. <em>Behavior therapy</em>, <em>49</em>(1), 99-112.

<hr />

Everett, G. E., Hupp, S. D., &amp; Olmi, D. J. (2010). Time-out with parents: A descriptive analysis of 30 years of research. <em>Education and Treatment of Children</em>, <em>33</em>(2), 235-259.

<hr />

Kendall, S. B. (1965). Spontaneous recovery after extinction with periodic time-outs. <em>Psychonomic Science</em>, <em>2</em>, 117-118.

<hr />

Knight, R. M., Albright, J., Deling, L., Dore-Stites, D., &amp; Drayton, A. K. (2020). Longitudinal relationship between time-out and child emotional and behavioral functioning. <em>Journal of Developmental &amp; Behavioral Pediatrics</em>, <em>41</em>(1), 31-37.

<hr />

Larzelere, R. E., &amp; Raumrind, D. (2010). Are spanking injunctions scientifically supported. <em>Law &amp; Contemp. Probs.</em>, <em>73</em>, 57.

<hr />

Larzelere, R. E., Gunnoe, M. L., Pritsker, J., &amp; Ferguson, C. J. (2024). Resolving the Contradictory Conclusions from Three Reviews of Controlled Longitudinal Studies of Physical Punishment: A Meta-Analysis. <em>Marriage &amp; Family Review</em>, <em>60</em>(7), 395-433.

<hr />

Leitenberg, H. (1965). Is time-out from positive reinforcement an aversive event? A review of the experimental evidence. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>64</em>(6), 428.

<hr />

Lieneman, C. C., Girard, E. I., Quetsch, L. B., &amp; McNeil, C. B. (2020). Emotion regulation and attrition in parent–child interaction therapy. <em>Journal of child and family studies</em>, <em>29</em>, 978-996.

<hr />

Morawska, A., &amp; Sanders, M. (2011). Parental use of time out revisited: A useful or harmful parenting strategy? <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies 20</em>, 1-8.

<hr />

Risley, T. R. (1968). The effects and side effects of punishing the autistic behaviors of a deviant child. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>1</em>(1), 21-34.

<hr />

Roberts, M. W. (1988). Enforcing chair timeouts with room timeouts. <em>Behavior Modification</em>, <em>12</em>(3), 353-370.

<hr />

Roberts, M. W. (1982). Resistance to timeout: Some normative data. <em>Behavioral Assessment</em> <em>4</em>, 239-246.

<hr />

Roberts, S. (2021, June 3). Arthur Staats dies at 97; called ‘time out’ for unruly kids. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html</a>

<hr />

Rubenstein, L., &amp; Mourino, A. P. (1983). Time-out: an evaluation of a behavior management technique. <em>Pediatr Dent</em>, <em>5</em>(2), 109-112.

<hr />

Samra, A., Warburton, W. A., &amp; Collins, A. M. (2022). Social comparisons: A potential mechanism linking problematic social media use with depression. <em>Journal of Behavioral Addictions</em>.

<hr />

Sanders, M. R., Bor, W., &amp; Morawska, A. (2007). Maintenance of treatment gains: a comparison of enhanced, standard, and self-directed Triple P-Positive Parenting Program. <em>Journal of abnormal child psychology</em>, <em>35</em>, 983-998.

<hr />

Siegel, D. (2014, October 29). You said WHAT about Time-Outs?! Dr. Dan Siegel. Retrieved from: <a href="https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/</a>

<hr />

Spitalnik, R., &amp; Drabman, R. (1976). A classroom timeout procedure for retarded children. <em>Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry</em>, <em>7</em>(1), 17-21.

<hr />

“The Colombo Family,” Supernanny. Season 7, Episode 9. Ricochet Television, 2011.

<hr />

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Essentials for parenting toddlers and preschoolers. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/about/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/about/index.html</a>

<hr />

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Tips for Time Out. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/time-out/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/time-out/index.html</a>

<hr />

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Treatment of ADHD. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/treatment/?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/treatment.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/treatment/?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/treatment.html</a>

<hr />

Vander Schaaf, S. (2019, March 9). The man who developed timeouts for kids now stands by his hotly-debated idea. Washington Post. Retrieved from: <a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Time Outs: Helpful or harmful? Here’s what the research says</h1>
Pediatricians and researchers commonly recommend that parents use time outs when kids misbehave.  Time outs are promoted as an effective, evidence-based parenting strategy - although the real reason they’re so highly recommended is that they cause less damage to children than hitting.But if we’re already using respectful/gentle parenting strategies most of the time, could there be any benefit to adding time outs when our children don’t comply with more gentle methods?

&nbsp;

This episode delves into the research on:
<ul><li><strong>Which children and families researchers think time outs are effective for</strong>(it’s not the same group of children who are usually study participants!);</li><li><strong>The precise time out script that has been shown to be effective</strong>(and why it works);</li><li><strong>Whether time outs harm children or not</strong>(this is one of the biggest controversies in the Gentle Parenting world)</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you’ve heard that time out is an effective strategy to gain children’s cooperation but weren’t sure whether it fits with your Gentle Parenting approach, this episode will help you to decide for yourself whether it’s a good fit for you and your family.

&nbsp;

<strong>Taming Your Triggers </strong>

If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

…the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wonderweekspart2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 231: How to support baby’s development after a Wonder Week</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wonderweekspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 230: Do all babies have Wonder Weeks? Here’s what the research says</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingstyles/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 154: Authoritative is not the best parenting style</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgapconsequences/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgap/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:03 Introduction

10:23 Historical context and research on timeouts

17:26 Critical analysis of timeout research

28:36 Effective implementation of timeouts

33:59 Challenges and limitations of timeouts

41:49 Jen's personal experiences and emotional impact

49:29 Alternative perspectives and values

57:39 Conclusion and next steps

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Allen, K. D., &amp; Warzak, W. J. (2000). The problem of parental nonadherence in clinical behavior analysis: Effective treatment is not enough. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>33</em>(3), 373-391.

<hr />

Bostow, D. E., &amp; Bailey, J. B. (1969). Modification of severe disruptive and aggressive behavior using brief timeout and reinforcement procedures. <em>Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis</em>, <em>2</em>(1), 31-37.

<hr />

Brown, G. D., &amp; Tyler Jr, V. O. (1968). Time out from reinforcement: A technique for dethroning the “duke” of an institutionalized delinquent group. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry</em>, <em>9</em>(3‐4), 203-211.

<hr />

Burchard, J. D., &amp; Barrera, F. (1972). AN ANALYSIS OF TIMEOUT AND RESPONSE COST IN A PROGRAMMED ENVIRONMENT 1. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>5</em>(3), 271-282.

<hr />

Carraturo, F., Di Perna, T., Giannicola, V., Nacchia, M. A., Pepe, M., Muzii, B., ... &amp; Scandurra, C. (2023). Envy, social comparison, and depression on social networking sites: a systematic review. <em>European Journal of Investigation in Health, Psychology and Education</em>, <em>13</em>(2), 364-376.

<hr />

Corralejo, S. M., Jensen, S. A., Greathouse, A. D., &amp; Ward, L. E. (2018). Parameters of time-out: Research update and comparison to parenting programs, books, and online recommendations. <em>Behavior therapy</em>, <em>49</em>(1), 99-112.

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Everett, G. E., Hupp, S. D., &amp; Olmi, D. J. (2010). Time-out with parents: A descriptive analysis of 30 years of research. <em>Education and Treatment of Children</em>, <em>33</em>(2), 235-259.

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Kendall, S. B. (1965). Spontaneous recovery after extinction with periodic time-outs. <em>Psychonomic Science</em>, <em>2</em>, 117-118.

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Knight, R. M., Albright, J., Deling, L., Dore-Stites, D., &amp; Drayton, A. K. (2020). Longitudinal relationship between time-out and child emotional and behavioral functioning. <em>Journal of Developmental &amp; Behavioral Pediatrics</em>, <em>41</em>(1), 31-37.

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Larzelere, R. E., &amp; Raumrind, D. (2010). Are spanking injunctions scientifically supported. <em>Law &amp; Contemp. Probs.</em>, <em>73</em>, 57.

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Larzelere, R. E., Gunnoe, M. L., Pritsker, J., &amp; Ferguson, C. J. (2024). Resolving the Contradictory Conclusions from Three Reviews of Controlled Longitudinal Studies of Physical Punishment: A Meta-Analysis. <em>Marriage &amp; Family Review</em>, <em>60</em>(7), 395-433.

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Leitenberg, H. (1965). Is time-out from positive reinforcement an aversive event? A review of the experimental evidence. <em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, <em>64</em>(6), 428.

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Lieneman, C. C., Girard, E. I., Quetsch, L. B., &amp; McNeil, C. B. (2020). Emotion regulation and attrition in parent–child interaction therapy. <em>Journal of child and family studies</em>, <em>29</em>, 978-996.

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Morawska, A., &amp; Sanders, M. (2011). Parental use of time out revisited: A useful or harmful parenting strategy? <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies 20</em>, 1-8.

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Risley, T. R. (1968). The effects and side effects of punishing the autistic behaviors of a deviant child. <em>Journal of applied behavior analysis</em>, <em>1</em>(1), 21-34.

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Roberts, M. W. (1988). Enforcing chair timeouts with room timeouts. <em>Behavior Modification</em>, <em>12</em>(3), 353-370.

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Roberts, M. W. (1982). Resistance to timeout: Some normative data. <em>Behavioral Assessment</em> <em>4</em>, 239-246.

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Roberts, S. (2021, June 3). Arthur Staats dies at 97; called ‘time out’ for unruly kids. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/health/dr-arthur-staats-dead.html</a>

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Rubenstein, L., &amp; Mourino, A. P. (1983). Time-out: an evaluation of a behavior management technique. <em>Pediatr Dent</em>, <em>5</em>(2), 109-112.

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Samra, A., Warburton, W. A., &amp; Collins, A. M. (2022). Social comparisons: A potential mechanism linking problematic social media use with depression. <em>Journal of Behavioral Addictions</em>.

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Sanders, M. R., Bor, W., &amp; Morawska, A. (2007). Maintenance of treatment gains: a comparison of enhanced, standard, and self-directed Triple P-Positive Parenting Program. <em>Journal of abnormal child psychology</em>, <em>35</em>, 983-998.

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Siegel, D. (2014, October 29). You said WHAT about Time-Outs?! Dr. Dan Siegel. Retrieved from: <a href="https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://drdansiegel.com/you-said-what-about-time-outs/</a>

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Spitalnik, R., &amp; Drabman, R. (1976). A classroom timeout procedure for retarded children. <em>Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry</em>, <em>7</em>(1), 17-21.

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U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Tips for Time Out. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/time-out/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/parenting-toddlers/time-out/index.html</a>

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U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (n.d.). Treatment of ADHD. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/treatment/?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/treatment.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/treatment/?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/treatment.html</a>

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Vander Schaaf, S. (2019, March 9). The man who developed timeouts for kids now stands by his hotly-debated idea. Washington Post. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-man-who-developed-timeouts-for-kids-stands-by-his-now-hotly-debated-idea/2019/03/08/c169439e-3159-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-man-who-developed-timeouts-for-kids-stands-by-his-now-hotly-debated-idea/2019/03/08/c169439e-3159-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html</a>

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Webster-Stratton, C., Reid, M. J., &amp; Hammond, M. (2004). Treating children with early-onset conduct problems: Intervention outcomes for parent, child, and teacher training. <em>Journal of clinical child and adolescent psychology</em>, <em>33</em>(1), 105-124.

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Weinberg, M. K., Beeghly, M., Olson, K. L., &amp; Tronick, E. (2008). A still-face paradigm for young children: 2½ year-olds’ reactions to maternal unavailability during the still-face. The journal of developmental processes, 3(1), 4.

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Willoughby, R. H. (1969). The effects of time-out from positive reinforcement on the operant behavior of preschool children. <em>Journal of Experimental Child Psychology</em>, <em>7</em>(2), 299-313.

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Willoughby, R. H. (1970). The influence of different response consequences on children's preference for time-out. <em>Journal of Experimental Child Psychology</em>, <em>9</em>(2), 133-141.

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Wolf, M., Risley, T., &amp; Mees, H. (1963). Application of operant conditioning procedures to the behaviour problems of an autistic child. <em>Behaviour Research and Therapy</em>, <em>1</em>(2-4), 305-312.

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Wolraich, M. L., Hagan, J. F., Allan, C., Chan, E., Davison, D., Earls, M., ... &amp; Zurhellen, W. (2019). Clinical practice guideline for the diagnosis, evaluation, and treatment of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder in children and adolescents. <em>Pediatrics</em>, <em>144</em>(4).

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Xu, Jingyi, Lucy A. Tully, and Mark R. Dadds. "Generation time-out grows up: young adults’ reports about childhood time-out use and their mental health, attachment, and emotion regulation." <em>European Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry</em> (2024): 1-9.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/timeoutsforkids]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ba0109d8-c3a1-4b59-bfa3-5af77df32384</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ba0109d8-c3a1-4b59-bfa3-5af77df32384.mp3" length="83748745" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:10</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>233</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>233</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/419ef0bc-8ee4-4748-a84d-0d5f525ef4ce/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</title><itunes:title>232: 10 game-changing parenting hacks – straight from master dog trainers</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1><b>What Dog Trainers Know That You Don’t!</b></h1>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Ever felt stuck figuring out how to respond to your child’s challenging behavior? What if the key lies in techniques used by master dog trainers?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, we explore how strategies designed to nurture trust and communication with dogs can revolutionize the way we parent. From co-regulation to building a culture of consent, you’ll learn actionable steps to create a harmonious home environment.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What you’ll learn:</span></h2>
<ul>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Read dogs’ non-verbal cues to prevent bites - and how reading your child’s can prevent meltdowns.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Never yell at dogs—and what they do to get cooperation instead.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Calm anxious dogs—the same technique can reduce your child’s tantrums.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Build trust and gain consent with dogs—which can also strengthen your relationship with your child.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Stay calm under pressure—their strategies can help you navigate parenting stress as well.</span></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">This episode ties together the science of behavior with empathy to show that parenting doesn’t have to mean power struggles. By understanding your child’s needs (just like dog trainers learn to understand their dogs), you’ll build a connection that lasts a lifetime.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>Don’t miss out on this unique perspective on parenting!</b>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Love what you’re learning? Support the show and help us keep delivering insightful episodes like this one!</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/quiz/"></a></span>
<h3></h3>
<h3><b>Book mentioned in this episode:</b></h3>
Affiliate Links
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Other-End-Leash-What-Around/dp/034544678X">The Other End of the Leash by Dr. Patricia McConnell</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Your-Dogs-Best-Friend/dp/0316610003">How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend by The Monks of New Skete</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Beyond-Power-Connection-Collaboration/dp/1632174480/ref=sr_1_5?crid=272K3226YYF55&amp;keywords=parenting+beyond+power&amp;qid=1682628597&amp;sprefix=parenting+beyond+power%2Caps%2C422&amp;sr=8-5">Parenting Beyond Power by Jen Lumanlan</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<p data-renderer-start-pos="76"><b>Mentioned Episodes</b></p>

<ul>
 	<li>
<p class="fl-heading"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whywillnooneplaywithme/"><span class="fl-heading-text">Episode 215: Why will no-one play with me?</span></a></p>
</li>
 	<li>
<p class="fl-post-title"><a title="201: How to create a culture of consent in our families" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consent/" rel="bookmark">Episode 201: How to create a culture of consent in our families</a></p>
</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<p data-renderer-start-pos="98"><b>Jump to highlights</b></p>
00:03     Introduction to Your Parenting Mojo Podcast

03:09     Acknowledgment of Listeners and Financial Support

04:39     Jen's Experience with Dog Training at the East Bay SPCA

06:47     Introduction to Dog Training Hacks

10:30     Hack 10: Creating a Culture of Consent

10:42     Hack 9: Not Dominating Our Children

15:38     Hack 8: Identifying Pressure Points

19:09     Hack 7: Don't Repeat Yourself

20:19     Hack 6: Shouting Doesn't Gain Compliance

22:42     Hack 5: Not Expecting Immediate Compliance

26:30     Hack 4: Getting Comfortable with Dysregulation

31:55     Hack 3: Co-Regulating with Your Child

34:30     Hack 2: Supporting Skill Building in Stressful Situations

39:40     Hack 1: Understanding Non-Verbal Communication

49:28      Conclusion and Call to Action

&nbsp;
<p data-renderer-start-pos="120"><b>References</b></p>
McConnell, P. (2002). <em>The other end of the leash: Why we do what we do around dogs</em>. Random House.

<hr />

The Monks of New Skete. (2002). <em>How to be your dog's best friend: A training manual for dog owners</em>. Little, Brown and Company.

<hr />

Lumanlan, J. (2023). <em>Parenting beyond power: How to use connection and collaboration to transform your family—and the world</em>.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1><b>What Dog Trainers Know That You Don’t!</b></h1>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Ever felt stuck figuring out how to respond to your child’s challenging behavior? What if the key lies in techniques used by master dog trainers?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, we explore how strategies designed to nurture trust and communication with dogs can revolutionize the way we parent. From co-regulation to building a culture of consent, you’ll learn actionable steps to create a harmonious home environment.</span>

&nbsp;
<h2><span style="font-weight: 400">What you’ll learn:</span></h2>
<ul>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Read dogs’ non-verbal cues to prevent bites - and how reading your child’s can prevent meltdowns.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Never yell at dogs—and what they do to get cooperation instead.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Calm anxious dogs—the same technique can reduce your child’s tantrums.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Build trust and gain consent with dogs—which can also strengthen your relationship with your child.</span></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Stay calm under pressure—their strategies can help you navigate parenting stress as well.</span></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">This episode ties together the science of behavior with empathy to show that parenting doesn’t have to mean power struggles. By understanding your child’s needs (just like dog trainers learn to understand their dogs), you’ll build a connection that lasts a lifetime.</span>

&nbsp;

<b>Don’t miss out on this unique perspective on parenting!</b>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Love what you’re learning? Support the show and help us keep delivering insightful episodes like this one!</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">👉  Click here: <a href="https://learn.yourparentingmojo.com/donate">https://learn.yourparentingmojo.com/donate</a></span>

&nbsp;

Ready to test your parenting instincts? Take our free Quiz to see how these strategies could work for you! Click the banner below.

<span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/quiz/"></a></span>
<h3></h3>
<h3><b>Book mentioned in this episode:</b></h3>
Affiliate Links
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Other-End-Leash-What-Around/dp/034544678X">The Other End of the Leash by Dr. Patricia McConnell</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Your-Dogs-Best-Friend/dp/0316610003">How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend by The Monks of New Skete</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Beyond-Power-Connection-Collaboration/dp/1632174480/ref=sr_1_5?crid=272K3226YYF55&amp;keywords=parenting+beyond+power&amp;qid=1682628597&amp;sprefix=parenting+beyond+power%2Caps%2C422&amp;sr=8-5">Parenting Beyond Power by Jen Lumanlan</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<p data-renderer-start-pos="76"><b>Mentioned Episodes</b></p>

<ul>
 	<li>
<p class="fl-heading"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whywillnooneplaywithme/"><span class="fl-heading-text">Episode 215: Why will no-one play with me?</span></a></p>
</li>
 	<li>
<p class="fl-post-title"><a title="201: How to create a culture of consent in our families" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consent/" rel="bookmark">Episode 201: How to create a culture of consent in our families</a></p>
</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<p data-renderer-start-pos="98"><b>Jump to highlights</b></p>
00:03     Introduction to Your Parenting Mojo Podcast

03:09     Acknowledgment of Listeners and Financial Support

04:39     Jen's Experience with Dog Training at the East Bay SPCA

06:47     Introduction to Dog Training Hacks

10:30     Hack 10: Creating a Culture of Consent

10:42     Hack 9: Not Dominating Our Children

15:38     Hack 8: Identifying Pressure Points

19:09     Hack 7: Don't Repeat Yourself

20:19     Hack 6: Shouting Doesn't Gain Compliance

22:42     Hack 5: Not Expecting Immediate Compliance

26:30     Hack 4: Getting Comfortable with Dysregulation

31:55     Hack 3: Co-Regulating with Your Child

34:30     Hack 2: Supporting Skill Building in Stressful Situations

39:40     Hack 1: Understanding Non-Verbal Communication

49:28      Conclusion and Call to Action

&nbsp;
<p data-renderer-start-pos="120"><b>References</b></p>
McConnell, P. (2002). <em>The other end of the leash: Why we do what we do around dogs</em>. Random House.

<hr />

The Monks of New Skete. (2002). <em>How to be your dog's best friend: A training manual for dog owners</em>. Little, Brown and Company.

<hr />

Lumanlan, J. (2023). <em>Parenting beyond power: How to use connection and collaboration to transform your family—and the world</em>.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/dogtrainers]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">281a4d04-40cc-4ac7-b693-29910ae2dad7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/86e4e8bb-a607-4d46-9e10-45e00c7a3df5/232-audio-edited.mp3" length="76589065" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>232</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>232</podcast:episode></item><item><title>231: How to support baby’s development after a Wonder Week</title><itunes:title>231: How to support baby’s development after a Wonder Week</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1 data-pm-slice="0 0 []">Expert strategies for baby's growth and development beyond Wonder Weeks</h1>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In Part 2 of our Wonder Weeks series, we’re exploring how to support your baby’s development once a Wonder Week has passed. Is there a predictable schedule to follow, or is your baby’s crying tied to something unique?</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, we’ll dive into:</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ What research says about crying and developmental stages.</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ The cultural influences behind parenting decisions and baby care.</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ Strategies to support your baby through challenging times, Wonder Week or not.</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ Ways to handle stress and ensure both you and your baby thrive.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Whether your baby follows the Wonder Weeks timeline or forges their own path, this episode equips you with the insights and tools you need to nurture their growth.</span>

&nbsp;
<h3><b>Book mentioned in this episode:</b></h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z9K1mG">The Wonder Weeks by Dr. Frans  Plooij and Hetty van de Rijt</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Childhood-Unlimited-Parenting-Beyond-Gender/dp/1529395380" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Childhood Unlimited: Parenting Beyond the Gender Bias by Virginia Mendez</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<b>Mentioned Episodes</b>
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<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wonderweekspart1/"><span class="fl-heading-text">Episode 230: Do all babies have Wonder Weeks? Here’s what the research says</span></a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachmentresearch/">Episode 138: Most of What You Know About Attachment is Probably Wrong</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/">Episode 72: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/">Episode 084: The science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yourxyearoldchild/">Episode 173: Why we shouldn’t read the Your X-Year-Old child books anymore</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/">Episode 137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/">Episode 075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgap/">Episode 066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgapconsequences/">Episode 072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/pink/">Episode 031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfesteem/">Episode 017: Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/">Episode 061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li></ul><br/>
</div>
</div>
&nbsp;

<b>Jump to Highlights</b><b>
</b>

00:00 Introduction to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast

01:49 Exploring the Developmental Leaps in Wonder Weeks

02:50 Critical Analysis of Leap Descriptions

12:04 Evaluating Leap Seven and Leap Eight

14:23 Parental Concerns and Cultural Influences

19:31 The Role of Social Support in Parenting

19:47 Addressing Fussy Periods and Parental Stress

44:34 The Evolution and Function of Regression Periods

51:10 Critique of Wonder Weeks' Parenting Advice

57:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

&nbsp;

<b>References</b><b>
</b>

Alink, L. R. A., Mesman, J., van Zeijl, J., Stolk, M. N., Juffer, F., Koot, H. M., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2006). The early aggression curve: Development of physical aggression in 10- to 50- month old children. Child Development, 77(4), 954-966.

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Brix, N., Ernst, A., Lauridsen, L. L. B., Parner, E., Støvring, H., Olsen, J., ... &amp; Ramlau‐Hansen, C. H. (2019). Timing of puberty in boys and girls: A population‐based study. <em>Paediatric and Perinatal Epidemiology, 33</em>(1), 70-78.

<hr />

Feldman, D. H., &amp; Benjamin, A. C. (2004). Going backward to go forward: The critical role of regressive movement in cognitive development. <em>Journal of Cognition and Development, 5</em>(1), 97-102.

<hr />

Gopnik, A., &amp; Meltzoff, A. N. (1985). From people, to plans, to objects: Changes in the meaning of early words and their relation to cognitive development. <em>Journal of Pragmatics, 9</em>(4), 495-512.

<hr />

Green, B. L., Furrer, C., &amp; McAllister, C. (2007). How do relationships support parenting? Effects of attachment style and social support on parenting behavior in an at-risk population. <em>American Journal of Community Psychology, 40</em>, 96-108.

<hr />

Hall, E. S., Folger, A. T., Kelly, E. A., &amp; Kamath-Rayne, B. D. (2013). Evaluation of gestational age estimate method on the calculation of preterm birth rates. <em>Maternal and Child Health Journal, 18</em>, 755-762.

<hr />

Horwich, R. H. (1974). Regressive periods in primate behavioral development with reference to other mammals. <em>Primates, 15</em>, 141-149.

<hr />

Jusczyk, P. W., &amp; Krumhansl, C. L. (1993). Pitch and rhythmic patterns affecting infants' sensitivity to musical phrase structure. <em>Journal of Experimental Psychology: Human Perception and Performance, 19</em>(3), 627.

<hr />

Krumhansl, C. L., &amp; Jusczyk, P. W. (1990). Infants’ perception of phrase structure in music. <em>Psychological Science, 1</em>(1), 70-73.

<hr />

Luger, C. (2018, January 8). Chelsey Luger: The cradleboard is making a comeback among tribal families. <em>Yes! Magazine</em>. Retrieved from <a href="https://indianz.com/News/2018/01/08/chelsey-luger-the-cradleboard-is-making.asp" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://indianz.com/News/2018/01/08/chelsey-luger-the-cradleboard-is-making.asp</a>.

<hr />

Mizuno, T., et al. (1970). Maturation patterns of EEG basic waves of healthy infants under twelve-months of age. <em>The Tohoku Journal of Experimental Medicine, 102</em>(1), 91-98.

<hr />

Nez Perce Historical Park (n.d.). Cradleboard. <em>Author</em>. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/nepe/exb/dailylife/GenderRoles/cradleboards/NEPE57_Cradle-Board.html" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/nepe/exb/dailylife/GenderRoles/cradleboards/NEPE57_Cradle-Board.html</a>.

<hr />

Plooij, F. X. (2020). The phylogeny, ontogeny, causation and function of regression periods explained by reorganizations of the hierarchy of perceptual control systems. In <em>The Interdisciplinary Handbook of Perceptual Control Theory</em> (pp. 199-225). Academic Press.

<hr />

Sadurní, M., Pérez Burriel, M., &amp; Plooij, F. X. (2010). The temporal relation between regression and transition periods in early infancy. <em>The Spanish Journal of Psychology, 13</em>(1), 112-126.

<hr />

Sadurní, M., &amp; Rostan, C. (2003). Reflections on regression periods in the development of Catalan infants. In <em>Regression Periods in Human Infancy</em> (pp. 7-22). Psychology Press.

<hr />

Seehagen, S., et al. (2015). Timely sleep facilitates declarative memory consolidation in infants. <em>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 112</em>(5), 1625-1629.

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Tremblay, R. E. (2004). Decade of behavior distinguished lecture: Development of physical aggression during infancy. <em>Infant Mental Health Journal, 25</em>(5), 399-407.

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U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control (n.d.). CDC’s Developmental Milestones. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/actearly/milestones/index.html" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/actearly/milestones/index.html</a>.

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Wapner, J. (2020, April 15). Are sleep regressions real? <em>The New York Times</em>. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/parenting/baby/sleep-regression.html" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/parenting/baby/sleep-regression.html</a>.

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<strong>Emma  </strong>00:00

Emma. Hi, I'm Emma, and I'm listening from the UK. We all want our children to lead fulfilled lives, but we're surrounded by conflicting information and click bait headlines that leave us wondering what to do as parents. The Your Parenting Mojo podcast distills scientific research on parenting and child development into tools parents can actually use every day in their real lives with their real children. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a free infographic on the 13 Reasons Your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one, just head on over to yourparenting mojo.com/subscribe, and pretty soon you're going to get tired of hearing my voice. Read this intro, so come and record one yourself at your parenting mojo.com/recordtheintro.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:45

Hello and welcome to the second of our two part episode on the Wonder weeks on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. In part one of this mini series, we looked at the research that underpins the concept of regression periods, which is the...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1 data-pm-slice="0 0 []">Expert strategies for baby's growth and development beyond Wonder Weeks</h1>
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<span style="font-weight: 400">In Part 2 of our Wonder Weeks series, we’re exploring how to support your baby’s development once a Wonder Week has passed. Is there a predictable schedule to follow, or is your baby’s crying tied to something unique?</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode, we’ll dive into:</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ What research says about crying and developmental stages.</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ The cultural influences behind parenting decisions and baby care.</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ Strategies to support your baby through challenging times, Wonder Week or not.</span><span style="font-weight: 400">
</span><span style="font-weight: 400">✨ Ways to handle stress and ensure both you and your baby thrive.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Whether your baby follows the Wonder Weeks timeline or forges their own path, this episode equips you with the insights and tools you need to nurture their growth.</span>

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<h3><b>Book mentioned in this episode:</b></h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z9K1mG">The Wonder Weeks by Dr. Frans  Plooij and Hetty van de Rijt</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Childhood-Unlimited-Parenting-Beyond-Gender/dp/1529395380" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Childhood Unlimited: Parenting Beyond the Gender Bias by Virginia Mendez</a></li></ul><br/>
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<b>Mentioned Episodes</b>
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<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wonderweekspart1/"><span class="fl-heading-text">Episode 230: Do all babies have Wonder Weeks? Here’s what the research says</span></a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachmentresearch/">Episode 138: Most of What You Know About Attachment is Probably Wrong</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/">Episode 72: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/">Episode 084: The science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yourxyearoldchild/">Episode 173: Why we shouldn’t read the Your X-Year-Old child books anymore</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/">Episode 137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/">Episode 075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgap/">Episode 066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgapconsequences/">Episode 072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/pink/">Episode 031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfesteem/">Episode 017: Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/">Episode 061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li></ul><br/>
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<b>Jump to Highlights</b><b>
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00:00 Introduction to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast

01:49 Exploring the Developmental Leaps in Wonder Weeks

02:50 Critical Analysis of Leap Descriptions

12:04 Evaluating Leap Seven and Leap Eight

14:23 Parental Concerns and Cultural Influences

19:31 The Role of Social Support in Parenting

19:47 Addressing Fussy Periods and Parental Stress

44:34 The Evolution and Function of Regression Periods

51:10 Critique of Wonder Weeks' Parenting Advice

57:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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<b>References</b><b>
</b>

Alink, L. R. A., Mesman, J., van Zeijl, J., Stolk, M. N., Juffer, F., Koot, H. M., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2006). The early aggression curve: Development of physical aggression in 10- to 50- month old children. Child Development, 77(4), 954-966.

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Brix, N., Ernst, A., Lauridsen, L. L. B., Parner, E., Støvring, H., Olsen, J., ... &amp; Ramlau‐Hansen, C. H. (2019). Timing of puberty in boys and girls: A population‐based study. <em>Paediatric and Perinatal Epidemiology, 33</em>(1), 70-78.

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Feldman, D. H., &amp; Benjamin, A. C. (2004). Going backward to go forward: The critical role of regressive movement in cognitive development. <em>Journal of Cognition and Development, 5</em>(1), 97-102.

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Gopnik, A., &amp; Meltzoff, A. N. (1985). From people, to plans, to objects: Changes in the meaning of early words and their relation to cognitive development. <em>Journal of Pragmatics, 9</em>(4), 495-512.

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Green, B. L., Furrer, C., &amp; McAllister, C. (2007). How do relationships support parenting? Effects of attachment style and social support on parenting behavior in an at-risk population. <em>American Journal of Community Psychology, 40</em>, 96-108.

<hr />

Hall, E. S., Folger, A. T., Kelly, E. A., &amp; Kamath-Rayne, B. D. (2013). Evaluation of gestational age estimate method on the calculation of preterm birth rates. <em>Maternal and Child Health Journal, 18</em>, 755-762.

<hr />

Horwich, R. H. (1974). Regressive periods in primate behavioral development with reference to other mammals. <em>Primates, 15</em>, 141-149.

<hr />

Jusczyk, P. W., &amp; Krumhansl, C. L. (1993). Pitch and rhythmic patterns affecting infants' sensitivity to musical phrase structure. <em>Journal of Experimental Psychology: Human Perception and Performance, 19</em>(3), 627.

<hr />

Krumhansl, C. L., &amp; Jusczyk, P. W. (1990). Infants’ perception of phrase structure in music. <em>Psychological Science, 1</em>(1), 70-73.

<hr />

Luger, C. (2018, January 8). Chelsey Luger: The cradleboard is making a comeback among tribal families. <em>Yes! Magazine</em>. Retrieved from <a href="https://indianz.com/News/2018/01/08/chelsey-luger-the-cradleboard-is-making.asp" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://indianz.com/News/2018/01/08/chelsey-luger-the-cradleboard-is-making.asp</a>.

<hr />

Mizuno, T., et al. (1970). Maturation patterns of EEG basic waves of healthy infants under twelve-months of age. <em>The Tohoku Journal of Experimental Medicine, 102</em>(1), 91-98.

<hr />

Nez Perce Historical Park (n.d.). Cradleboard. <em>Author</em>. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/nepe/exb/dailylife/GenderRoles/cradleboards/NEPE57_Cradle-Board.html" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/nepe/exb/dailylife/GenderRoles/cradleboards/NEPE57_Cradle-Board.html</a>.

<hr />

Plooij, F. X. (2020). The phylogeny, ontogeny, causation and function of regression periods explained by reorganizations of the hierarchy of perceptual control systems. In <em>The Interdisciplinary Handbook of Perceptual Control Theory</em> (pp. 199-225). Academic Press.

<hr />

Sadurní, M., Pérez Burriel, M., &amp; Plooij, F. X. (2010). The temporal relation between regression and transition periods in early infancy. <em>The Spanish Journal of Psychology, 13</em>(1), 112-126.

<hr />

Sadurní, M., &amp; Rostan, C. (2003). Reflections on regression periods in the development of Catalan infants. In <em>Regression Periods in Human Infancy</em> (pp. 7-22). Psychology Press.

<hr />

Seehagen, S., et al. (2015). Timely sleep facilitates declarative memory consolidation in infants. <em>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 112</em>(5), 1625-1629.

<hr />

Tremblay, R. E. (2004). Decade of behavior distinguished lecture: Development of physical aggression during infancy. <em>Infant Mental Health Journal, 25</em>(5), 399-407.

<hr />

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control (n.d.). CDC’s Developmental Milestones. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/actearly/milestones/index.html" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/actearly/milestones/index.html</a>.

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Wapner, J. (2020, April 15). Are sleep regressions real? <em>The New York Times</em>. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/parenting/baby/sleep-regression.html" target="_new" rel="noopener">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/parenting/baby/sleep-regression.html</a>.

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<strong>Emma  </strong>00:00

Emma. Hi, I'm Emma, and I'm listening from the UK. We all want our children to lead fulfilled lives, but we're surrounded by conflicting information and click bait headlines that leave us wondering what to do as parents. The Your Parenting Mojo podcast distills scientific research on parenting and child development into tools parents can actually use every day in their real lives with their real children. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a free infographic on the 13 Reasons Your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one, just head on over to yourparenting mojo.com/subscribe, and pretty soon you're going to get tired of hearing my voice. Read this intro, so come and record one yourself at your parenting mojo.com/recordtheintro.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:45

Hello and welcome to the second of our two part episode on the Wonder weeks on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. In part one of this mini series, we looked at the research that underpins the concept of regression periods, which is the idea that babies go through periods where they are more fussy than usual, because they're getting ready to make a developmental leap. In that episode, we saw that, while we might assume that given the global distribution of the Wonder weeks, book and app, that the information is based on studies of 1000s of babies from many different locations, which all came to similar conclusions, that actually they're based on one single study and three attempted replications with a total of about 80 children, all of European parents who were specifically selected because they were homogenous, meaning they were white and in two parent families and had secure incomes, and the mother planned to stay home with the baby for two years and had lots of family support, if not all of those conditions were in place, then the whole thing kind of fell apart pretty fast. In this episode, I want to take a closer look at the developmental part of the leaps, rather than the fussiness. And the timing of the fussiness. I look back at the ploys earliest paper describing the leaps to see where they got the idea that leaps exist and what they mean. I wanted to understand whether, even though there might be disagreements about when the fussy periods are, we could still get some useful information out of knowing more about the developmental periods that the ploys say happen in between the fussy periods. So we're going to look at the evidence for the development that the ploys say happens in each of these periods, and also consider what, if anything, we should do with that information to support our babies and ourselves. The ploys research mostly focuses on the fussy behavior that precedes the leaps, both because it's much easier to measure than the development itself, as well as because that's perhaps understandably what parents are worried about. They want to know that what they're going through is normal and that they aren't responsible for the difficult behavior they're seeing, but in the books, they also describe the development that's apparently happening in between the fussy periods. So let's see what evidence we can find that supports their descriptions. The first thing that stands out to me in the LEAP section of the Wonder weeks website is how fuzzy the languages. Here's an example, conveniently drawn from leap one. Quote from week four, your baby enters leap one, the world of sensations. The first signals of your baby's leap will appear between weeks four to six after the due date. Learn everything about leap one in the Wonder weeks app after this leap, baby senses will undergo a sudden, rapid growth. Your baby will notice that something new and strange is happening and in their world, and they could get upset after taking leap one. Your baby will be open for new experiences, and we will notice that he or she is more sensitive. End quote, uh, what? What does this actually mean? It's like grasping at fog. There's no specific terms here that we can research ourselves, no indication that this sudden, rapid growth of baby senses that they're describing is based in research. How on earth are they measuring that babies are more open for new experiences and are also more sensitive? I went through all of the language describing the leaps and tried to find evidence supporting each of them, I looked for terms that actually meant something and ran them through Google Scholar with variations of search terms related to infant development, and I didn't find very much. After going through leap two, the ploys say that, quote, your baby stops seeing the world as one big mishmash and starts to discover patterns. End, quote, I couldn't find any specific information on pattern recognition at this age, the one paper I did find observed that the development of pattern recognition, not just in terms of visual patterns, but also patterns in language and relationships, is ongoing throughout the early years. There's no mention of a specific leap around week 10, moving on to leap three. Around 11 weeks, you may see signs of the next leap approaching. Leap three. The world of smooth transitions, your baby is acquiring yet another new skill. Smooth transitions are things, whether tones, the brightness of light or moving objects that smoothly change into something else. Smooth transitions are so natural to adults that we barely notice them anymore. For your baby, these are the most complex things they can handle, and are therefore peak experiences. It was hard to find any evidence related to this. The paper I did find was written by two authors who are both psychologists, and one is also an ophthalmologist, who showed that visual functions of symmetry, COVID, linearity, motion, depth, acuity, these are all beginning to develop from birth until they show more adult like signatures at seven to eight months with no specific shift in the 11 to 13 week window. Leap four involves grabbing objects which we can actually find evidence to support. This is a common enough milestone it shows up in developmental charts. Deploys also suggest that infants will start babbling in this period around four months, when developmental charts published by the Centers for Disease Control put this at closer to six months. So the ploys are right when they say in the Wonder weeks book that they mention their skills really are on the earliest possible end of when they might appear. I couldn't find any evidence at all for leap five on putting together the relationships between all the earlier leaps. Leap six on dividing the world into categories or groups, or LEAP seven on beginning to assemble and connect things rather than only deconstruct them. Leap eight is described in such weird language that I initially couldn't understand it. It involves the ability to observe and perform various programs. And when I put that together with the idea that the child will learn that an end goal can be achieved in different ways, I finally understood that they're talking about planning, they also pick up this idea in the LEAP nine description. Welcome to the world of principles. If your toddler has taken the leap, you will notice they are running all kinds of programs more smoothly, more naturally and more clearly. Around 64 weeks, your toddler will be a bit used to their new world and the journey of discovery can begin. Leaf nine is the leap of principles. Your toddler is more adept at handling the world of programs. As a result, they can not only imitate programs better, but also change them and create them by themselves. As a result, your little one will learn to think ahead, to reflect, to consider the consequences of their actions, to make plans and to balance them against each other. When we put these two leaps together, we can finally find solid evidence. Dr Allison gottnick and her colleagues did some work on this topic in the 1980s which is not cited in any of the Wonder weeks books which argues that the words there no and more represent baby's plans. Specifically, there encodes the success of a plan, no encodes the failure of a plan, and more encodes the repetition of a plan or a request for assistance. These words are also used to encode relationships between objects there encodes the location of objects, more encodes the similarity of objects, meaning this thing I just had and that thing over there, the same and I want more of it. And no is used to negate propositions around 18 months, children apply these words to their current concerns, right around the 64 weeks predicted by leap nine, although rather later than leap eight, where it's first discussed, the description of LEAP 10 is that you will notice that your toddler is a little more enterprising. They are behaving more maturely. They become very aware of themselves, gain a better understanding of time, begin to really enjoy music, and they treat things and toys differently. They want to do everything by themselves. And I'm thinking, Well, yes, it would be sort of surprising if, all things equal, your child wasn't behaving more maturely as time went on. A child is going to gain a better understanding of time as time goes on, as it were, from the early days in infancy, when they had no idea where you went, when you disappeared, to being able to predict when something will happen that comes on a daily basis to understanding what just a minute means, which, when we say is almost never just one minute, their understanding of time is continually evolving. I also have a video of my daughter, Karis, at about eight months, sitting on a mat and swaying in time to someone's guitar playing, clearly enjoying music. I'm not seeing anything unique in treating things and toys differently, which can happen at a variety of ages for a variety of different reasons. Holovitz brings us to how does the Wonder weeks help? Why do so many people follow this stuff I mentioned in the last episode on this topic that I ran a definitely unscientific poll in the free Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group to understand whether parents knew that they had to base the timing of the Wonder weeks on the child's gestational age when they responded to the survey. Some parents added comments about their experience with the program. Parent Anker said, we use the app, and it helped us tremendously. I have since learned there is much to criticize about the concept, but the perceived knowledge of what was happening for our baby made it easier for us to deal with the increased fussiness and difficult nights, and I really think that's at the heart of it. It's about seeing that there might be a reason why your child is being fussy and that you aren't eat. In other words, you aren't breaking your baby I think a big part of why we think we need apps is because we aren't parenting in villages like we used. Do Before parenting was even a verb, and when we would have had so much help with the baby from people who had done it many times before.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:08

Parent,...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/wonderweekspart2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4f2c3467-2a61-451a-ae23-233ac9f31ae2</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b2b469fd-8e01-4e81-aa64-29669e206d9e/231-audio-edited.mp3" length="91568521" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>231</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>231</podcast:episode></item><item><title>230: Do all babies have Wonder Weeks? Here’s what the research says</title><itunes:title>230: Do all babies have Wonder Weeks? Here’s what the research says</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1><b>The Science of Why Babies Cry More and What Parents Need to Know</b></h1>
You may have noticed that your baby sometimes seems calm and relaxed…and then goes through a ‘fussy’ phase, where they seem to cry no matter what you do.  Do these fussy phases happen on a predictable schedule?  Is it predictable for all babies…and for all parents?

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In this episode, we dive into the research behind the theory of the Wonder Weeks, as described in the books and app. This popular concept suggests that all babies experience predictable periods of fussiness in preparation for going through developmental ‘leaps,’ but the science behind it may be much more limited than you expect. We break down the available research, explain why babies might cry more at certain stages, and help parents understand the truth about these so-called Wonder Weeks.

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<h2>What topics do we cover?</h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400">How Wonder Weeks became a popular theory</li><li style="font-weight: 400">What actual research says about baby crying phases</li><li style="font-weight: 400">Ways to support your baby during fussy times, whether or not Wonder Weeks apply</li></ul><br/>
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By the end, you’ll feel more informed about why babies cry and have a clearer idea of whether Wonder Weeks is a useful tool for understanding <i>your </i>baby’s needs.

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<strong>Episodes Mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a class="post-edit-link" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/kelliejon/">SYPM 016: Getting it right from the start with a new baby </a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachmentresearch/">Episode 138: Most of What You Know About Attachment is Probably Wrong</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/">Episode 72: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/">Episode 084: The science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yourxyearoldchild/">Episode 173: Why we shouldn’t read the Your X-Year-Old child books anymore</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/">Episode 137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/">Episode 075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgap/">Episode 066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgapconsequences/">Episode 072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/pink/">Episode 031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfesteem/">Episode 017: Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Books mentioned in this episode:</strong>
<p data-renderer-start-pos="99"><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z9K1mG">The Wonder Weeks by Dr. Frans  Plooij and Hetty van de Rijt</a></p>
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<strong>Jump to Highlights:</strong>

00:03 Introduction to the Podcast and Wonder Weeks

02:19 Background on the Plooys and Their Research

05:43 Methodology and Findings of the Plooys' Study

10:20 Criticisms and Limitations of the Plooys' Study

20:11 Replication Studies and Their Findings

59:42 Conclusions and Implications

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<strong>References:</strong>

Aldridge, J. Wayne, et al. "Neuronal coding of serial order: syntax of grooming in the neostriatum." Psychological Science 4.6 (1993): 391-395.

<hr />

Alink, L. R. A., Mesman, J., van Zeijl, J., Stolk, M. N., Juffer, F., Koot, H. M., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2006). The early aggression curve: Development of physical aggression in 10- to 50- month old children. Child Development, 77(4), 954-966.

<hr />

Bell, Martha Ann, and Christy D. Wolfe. "Emotion and cognition: An intricately bound developmental process." Child development 75.2 (2004): 366-370.

<hr />

Brix, N., Ernst, A., Lauridsen, L. L. B., Parner, E., Støvring, H., Olsen, J., ... &amp; Ramlau‐Hansen, C. H. (2019). Timing of puberty in boys and girls: A population‐based study. Paediatric and perinatal epidemiology, 33(1), 70-78.

<hr />

Bull, J.R., Rowland, S.P., Schersitzl, E.B., Scherwitzel, R., Danielsson, K.G., &amp; Harper, J. (2019). Real-world menstrual cycle characteristics of more than 600,000 menstrual cycles. NPJ Digital Medicine 2(1), 83.

<hr />

Crenin, M.D., Keverline, S.K., &amp; Meyn, L.A. (2004). How regular is regular? An analysis of menstrual cycle regularity. Contraception 70, 289-292.

<hr />

Diamond, Adele, and Patricia S. Goldman-Rakic. "Comparison of human infants and rhesus monkeys on Piaget's AB task: Evidence for dependence on dorsolateral prefrontal cortex." Experimental brain research 74 (1989): 24-40.

<hr />

Dunson, D. B., Weinberg, C. R., Baird, D. D., Kesner, J. S., &amp; Wilcox, A. J. (2001). Assessing human fertility using several markers of ovulation. Statistics in Medicine, 20(6), 965-978.

<hr />

Eckert-Lind, C., Busch, A. S., Petersen, J. H., Biro, F. M., Butler, G., Bräuner, E. V., &amp; Juul, A. (2020). Worldwide secular trends in age at pubertal onset assessed by breast development among girls: a systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA pediatrics, 174(4), e195881-e195881.

<hr />

Edwards, L. M., Le, H. N., &amp; Garnier-Villarreal, M. (2021). A systematic review and meta-analysis of risk factors for postpartum depression among Latinas. Maternal and child health journal, 25, 554-564.

<hr />

Feldman, David Henry, and Ann C. Benjamin. "Going backward to go forward: The critical role of regressive movement in cognitive development." Journal of cognition and development 5.1 (2004): 97-102.

<hr />

Gopnik, Alison, and Andrew N. Meltzoff. "From people, to plans, to objects: Changes in the meaning of early words and their relation to cognitive development." Journal of Pragmatics 9.4 (1985): 495-512.

<hr />

Gopnik, Alison. "Words and plans: Early language and the development of intelligent action." Journal of Child Language 9.2 (1982): 303-318.

<hr />

Green, B. L., Furrer, C., &amp; McAllister, C. (2007). How do relationships support parenting? Effects of attachment style and social support on parenting behavior in an at-risk population. American Journal of Community Psychology, 40, 96-108.

<hr />

Hall, E.S., Folger, A.T., Kelly, E.A., &amp; Kamath-Rayne, B.D. (2013). Evaluation of gestational age estimate method on the calculation of preterm birth rates. Maternal and Child Health Journal 18, 755-762.

<hr />

Happiest Baby, Inc. (2024). Snoo smart sleeper bassinet. Author. Retrieved from: https://www.happiestbaby.com/products/snoo-smart-bassinet

<hr />

Horwich, Robert H. "Regressive periods in primate behavioral development with reference to other mammals." Primates 15 (1974): 141-149.

<hr />

Jusczyk, Peter W., and Carol L. Krumhansl. "Pitch and rhythmic patterns affecting infants' sensitivity to musical phrase structure." Journal of experimental psychology: Human perception and performance 19.3 (1993): 627.

<hr />

Krumhansl, Carol L., and Peter W. Jusczyk. "Infants’ perception of phrase structure in music." Psychological science 1.1 (1990): 70-73.

<hr />

Lawson, G.W. (2020). Naegele’s rule and the length of pregnancy – a review. Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstectrics and Gynaecology 61(2), 177-182.

<hr />

Luger, C. (2018, January 8). Chelsey Luger: The cradleboard is making a comeback among tribal families. Yes! Magazine. Retrieved from: https://indianz.com/News/2018/01/08/chelsey-luger-the-cradleboard-is-making.asp

<hr />

Mansell, W. and Huddy, V., The Assessment and Modeling of Perceptual Control: A Transformation in Research Methodology to Address the Replication Crisis, Review of General Psychology, 22 (3) pp. 305-320.

<hr />

McCall, R. B., Eichorn, D. H., &amp; Hogarty, P. S. (1977). Transitions in early mental development. Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development, 42(3, Serial No. 171).

<hr />

Mizuno, Takashi, et al. "Maturation patterns of EEG basic waves of healthy infants under twelve-months of age." The Tohoku Journal of Experimental Medicine 102.1 (1970): 91-98.

<hr />

Mittendorf, Robert, et al. (1993). Predictors of human gestational length. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 168(2), 480-484.

<hr />

Nez Perce Historical Park (n.d.). Cradleboard. Author. Retrieved from: https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/nepe/exb/dailylife/GenderRoles/cradleboards/NEPE57_Cradle-Board.html

<hr />

Okun, M., H. Karp, and S. Balasubramanian (2020). 0978 Snoo: A Wellness Device To Improve Infant Sleep. Sleep 43(1), A371-A372.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X. "The phylogeny, ontogeny, causation and function of regression periods explained by reorganizations of the hierarchy of perceptual control systems." The interdisciplinary handbook of perceptual control theory. Academic Press, 2020. 199-225.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X. (2010). The four whys of age-linked regression periods in infancy. In: B.M. Lester &amp; J.D. Sparrow, Nurturing Children and Families (p.107-119). Chichester: Wiley-Blackwell.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X., and Hedwig HC van de Rijt-Plooij. "Developmental transitions as successive reorganizations of a control hierarchy." American Behavioral Scientist 34.1 (1990): 67-80.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X., and Hedwig HC van de Rijt-Plooij. "Vulnerable periods during infancy: Hierarchically reorganized systems control, stress, and disease." Ethology and Sociobiology 10.4 (1989): 279-296.

<hr />

Priel, B., &amp; Shamai, D. (1995). Attachment style and perceived social support: Effects on affect regulation.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1><b>The Science of Why Babies Cry More and What Parents Need to Know</b></h1>
You may have noticed that your baby sometimes seems calm and relaxed…and then goes through a ‘fussy’ phase, where they seem to cry no matter what you do.  Do these fussy phases happen on a predictable schedule?  Is it predictable for all babies…and for all parents?

&nbsp;

In this episode, we dive into the research behind the theory of the Wonder Weeks, as described in the books and app. This popular concept suggests that all babies experience predictable periods of fussiness in preparation for going through developmental ‘leaps,’ but the science behind it may be much more limited than you expect. We break down the available research, explain why babies might cry more at certain stages, and help parents understand the truth about these so-called Wonder Weeks.

&nbsp;
<h2>What topics do we cover?</h2>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400">How Wonder Weeks became a popular theory</li><li style="font-weight: 400">What actual research says about baby crying phases</li><li style="font-weight: 400">Ways to support your baby during fussy times, whether or not Wonder Weeks apply</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

By the end, you’ll feel more informed about why babies cry and have a clearer idea of whether Wonder Weeks is a useful tool for understanding <i>your </i>baby’s needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>Episodes Mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a class="post-edit-link" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/kelliejon/">SYPM 016: Getting it right from the start with a new baby </a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachmentresearch/">Episode 138: Most of What You Know About Attachment is Probably Wrong</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/">Episode 72: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/">Episode 084: The science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yourxyearoldchild/">Episode 173: Why we shouldn’t read the Your X-Year-Old child books anymore</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/">Episode 137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/">Episode 075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgap/">Episode 066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/wordgapconsequences/">Episode 072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/pink/">Episode 031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfesteem/">Episode 017: Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Books mentioned in this episode:</strong>
<p data-renderer-start-pos="99"><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z9K1mG">The Wonder Weeks by Dr. Frans  Plooij and Hetty van de Rijt</a></p>
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<strong>Jump to Highlights:</strong>

00:03 Introduction to the Podcast and Wonder Weeks

02:19 Background on the Plooys and Their Research

05:43 Methodology and Findings of the Plooys' Study

10:20 Criticisms and Limitations of the Plooys' Study

20:11 Replication Studies and Their Findings

59:42 Conclusions and Implications

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Aldridge, J. Wayne, et al. "Neuronal coding of serial order: syntax of grooming in the neostriatum." Psychological Science 4.6 (1993): 391-395.

<hr />

Alink, L. R. A., Mesman, J., van Zeijl, J., Stolk, M. N., Juffer, F., Koot, H. M., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2006). The early aggression curve: Development of physical aggression in 10- to 50- month old children. Child Development, 77(4), 954-966.

<hr />

Bell, Martha Ann, and Christy D. Wolfe. "Emotion and cognition: An intricately bound developmental process." Child development 75.2 (2004): 366-370.

<hr />

Brix, N., Ernst, A., Lauridsen, L. L. B., Parner, E., Støvring, H., Olsen, J., ... &amp; Ramlau‐Hansen, C. H. (2019). Timing of puberty in boys and girls: A population‐based study. Paediatric and perinatal epidemiology, 33(1), 70-78.

<hr />

Bull, J.R., Rowland, S.P., Schersitzl, E.B., Scherwitzel, R., Danielsson, K.G., &amp; Harper, J. (2019). Real-world menstrual cycle characteristics of more than 600,000 menstrual cycles. NPJ Digital Medicine 2(1), 83.

<hr />

Crenin, M.D., Keverline, S.K., &amp; Meyn, L.A. (2004). How regular is regular? An analysis of menstrual cycle regularity. Contraception 70, 289-292.

<hr />

Diamond, Adele, and Patricia S. Goldman-Rakic. "Comparison of human infants and rhesus monkeys on Piaget's AB task: Evidence for dependence on dorsolateral prefrontal cortex." Experimental brain research 74 (1989): 24-40.

<hr />

Dunson, D. B., Weinberg, C. R., Baird, D. D., Kesner, J. S., &amp; Wilcox, A. J. (2001). Assessing human fertility using several markers of ovulation. Statistics in Medicine, 20(6), 965-978.

<hr />

Eckert-Lind, C., Busch, A. S., Petersen, J. H., Biro, F. M., Butler, G., Bräuner, E. V., &amp; Juul, A. (2020). Worldwide secular trends in age at pubertal onset assessed by breast development among girls: a systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA pediatrics, 174(4), e195881-e195881.

<hr />

Edwards, L. M., Le, H. N., &amp; Garnier-Villarreal, M. (2021). A systematic review and meta-analysis of risk factors for postpartum depression among Latinas. Maternal and child health journal, 25, 554-564.

<hr />

Feldman, David Henry, and Ann C. Benjamin. "Going backward to go forward: The critical role of regressive movement in cognitive development." Journal of cognition and development 5.1 (2004): 97-102.

<hr />

Gopnik, Alison, and Andrew N. Meltzoff. "From people, to plans, to objects: Changes in the meaning of early words and their relation to cognitive development." Journal of Pragmatics 9.4 (1985): 495-512.

<hr />

Gopnik, Alison. "Words and plans: Early language and the development of intelligent action." Journal of Child Language 9.2 (1982): 303-318.

<hr />

Green, B. L., Furrer, C., &amp; McAllister, C. (2007). How do relationships support parenting? Effects of attachment style and social support on parenting behavior in an at-risk population. American Journal of Community Psychology, 40, 96-108.

<hr />

Hall, E.S., Folger, A.T., Kelly, E.A., &amp; Kamath-Rayne, B.D. (2013). Evaluation of gestational age estimate method on the calculation of preterm birth rates. Maternal and Child Health Journal 18, 755-762.

<hr />

Happiest Baby, Inc. (2024). Snoo smart sleeper bassinet. Author. Retrieved from: https://www.happiestbaby.com/products/snoo-smart-bassinet

<hr />

Horwich, Robert H. "Regressive periods in primate behavioral development with reference to other mammals." Primates 15 (1974): 141-149.

<hr />

Jusczyk, Peter W., and Carol L. Krumhansl. "Pitch and rhythmic patterns affecting infants' sensitivity to musical phrase structure." Journal of experimental psychology: Human perception and performance 19.3 (1993): 627.

<hr />

Krumhansl, Carol L., and Peter W. Jusczyk. "Infants’ perception of phrase structure in music." Psychological science 1.1 (1990): 70-73.

<hr />

Lawson, G.W. (2020). Naegele’s rule and the length of pregnancy – a review. Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstectrics and Gynaecology 61(2), 177-182.

<hr />

Luger, C. (2018, January 8). Chelsey Luger: The cradleboard is making a comeback among tribal families. Yes! Magazine. Retrieved from: https://indianz.com/News/2018/01/08/chelsey-luger-the-cradleboard-is-making.asp

<hr />

Mansell, W. and Huddy, V., The Assessment and Modeling of Perceptual Control: A Transformation in Research Methodology to Address the Replication Crisis, Review of General Psychology, 22 (3) pp. 305-320.

<hr />

McCall, R. B., Eichorn, D. H., &amp; Hogarty, P. S. (1977). Transitions in early mental development. Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development, 42(3, Serial No. 171).

<hr />

Mizuno, Takashi, et al. "Maturation patterns of EEG basic waves of healthy infants under twelve-months of age." The Tohoku Journal of Experimental Medicine 102.1 (1970): 91-98.

<hr />

Mittendorf, Robert, et al. (1993). Predictors of human gestational length. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 168(2), 480-484.

<hr />

Nez Perce Historical Park (n.d.). Cradleboard. Author. Retrieved from: https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/nepe/exb/dailylife/GenderRoles/cradleboards/NEPE57_Cradle-Board.html

<hr />

Okun, M., H. Karp, and S. Balasubramanian (2020). 0978 Snoo: A Wellness Device To Improve Infant Sleep. Sleep 43(1), A371-A372.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X. "The phylogeny, ontogeny, causation and function of regression periods explained by reorganizations of the hierarchy of perceptual control systems." The interdisciplinary handbook of perceptual control theory. Academic Press, 2020. 199-225.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X. (2010). The four whys of age-linked regression periods in infancy. In: B.M. Lester &amp; J.D. Sparrow, Nurturing Children and Families (p.107-119). Chichester: Wiley-Blackwell.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X., and Hedwig HC van de Rijt-Plooij. "Developmental transitions as successive reorganizations of a control hierarchy." American Behavioral Scientist 34.1 (1990): 67-80.

<hr />

Plooij, Frans X., and Hedwig HC van de Rijt-Plooij. "Vulnerable periods during infancy: Hierarchically reorganized systems control, stress, and disease." Ethology and Sociobiology 10.4 (1989): 279-296.

<hr />

Priel, B., &amp; Shamai, D. (1995). Attachment style and perceived social support: Effects on affect regulation. Personality and Individual Differences, 19(2), 235-241.

<hr />

Sadurní, Marta, Marc Pérez Burriel, and Frans X. Plooij. "The temporal relation between regression and transition periods in early infancy." The Spanish journal of psychology 13.1 (2010): 112-126.

<hr />

Sadurní, Marta, and Carlos Rostan. "Reflections on regression periods in the development of Catalan infants." Regression periods in human infancy. Psychology Press, 2003. 7-22.

<hr />

Schwab, Karin, et al. "Nonlinear analysis and modeling of cortical activation and deactivation patterns in the immature fetal electrocorticogram." Chaos: An Interdisciplinary Journal of Nonlinear Science 19.1 (2009).

<hr />

Seehagen, Sabine, et al. "Timely sleep facilitates declarative memory consolidation in infants." Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 112.5 (2015): 1625-1629.

<hr />

Sheldrick, R.C., Schlichting, L.E., Berger, B., Clyne, A., Ni, P., Perrin, E.C., &amp; Vivier, P.M. (2019). Establishing new norms for developmental milestones. 166(6), e20190374.

<hr />

Shorey, S., Chee, C. Y. I., Ng, E. D., Chan, Y. H., San Tam, W. W., &amp; Chong, Y. S. (2018). Prevalence and incidence of postpartum depression among healthy mothers: A systematic review and meta-analysis. Journal of Psychiatric Research, 104, 235-248.

<hr />

St James-Roberts, Ian, et al. "Video evidence that London infants can resettle themselves back to sleep after waking in the night, as well as sleep for long periods, by 3 months of age." Journal of Developmental &amp; Behavioral Pediatrics 36.5 (2015): 324-329.

<hr />

Tremblay, Richard E. "Decade of behavior distinguished lecture: Development of physical aggression during infancy." Infant Mental Health Journal: Official Publication of The World Association for Infant Mental Health 25.5 (2004): 399-407.

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U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers For Disease Control (n.d.). CDC’s Developmental Milestones. Retrieved from: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/actearly/milestones/index.html

<hr />

van de Rijt‐Plooij, Hedwig HC, and Frans X. Plooij. "Distinct periods of mother‐infant conflict in normal development: sources of progress and germs of pathology." Journal of child psychology and psychiatry 34.2 (1993): 229-245.

<hr />

Van De Rijt-Plooij, Hedwig HC, and Frans X. Plooij. "Infantile regressions: Disorganization and the onset of transition periods." Journal of Reproductive and Infant Psychology 10.3 (1992): 129-149.

<hr />

van de Rut‐Plooij, Hedwig HC, and Frans X. Plooij. "MOTHER‐INFANT RELATIONS, CONFLICT, STRESS AND ILLNESS AMONG FREERANGING CHIMPANZEES." Developmental Medicine &amp; Child Neurology 30.3 (1988): 306-315.

<hr />

van de Rijt-Plooij, Hedwig HC, and Frans X. Plooij. "Growing independence, conflict and learning in mother-infant relations in free-ranging chimpanzees." Behaviour 101.1-3 (1987): 1-86.

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Wapner, J. (2020, April 15). Are sleep regressions real? The New York Times. Retrieved from: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/parenting/baby/sleep-regression.html

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Witters, D. (2020, September 1). 50% in U.S. fear bankruptcy due to major health event. Gallup. Retrieved from: https://news.gallup.com/poll/317948/fear-bankruptcy-due-major-healthevent.aspx#:~:text=Story%20Highlights&amp;text=WASHINGTON%2C%20D.C.%20%2D%2D%20Half%20of,from%2052%25%20to%2064%25.&amp;text=How%20concerned%20are%20you%20that,or%20not%20at%20all%20concerned&amp;text=pct.,pts.&amp;text=This%20study%20is%20based%20on,concern%20among%20women%20(51%25).

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<strong>Denise  </strong>00:03

Denise, hi everyone. I am Denise, a longtime listener of your parenting Mojo. I love this podcast because it condenses all the scientific research on child development, compares it with anthropological studies, and puts it into context of how I can apply all of this to my daily parenting. Jen has a wealth of resources here, so if you're new to the podcast, I suggest you scroll through all her episodes. I'm sure you'll find one that will help you with whatever you're going through, or one that just piques your interest if you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 Reasons Your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one. Sign up at your parenting mojo.com forward, slash, subscribe. Enjoy the show.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:58

Hello and welcome to the your parenting Mojo podcast. Have you seen the Wonder weeks book, or did you download the app? The book has apparently sold over 2 million copies, and the app has been downloaded over 4 million times. So, the approach has certainly struck a chord with parents. It seems to help that the book was developed by two PhDs, Dr Franz ploy and his wife, Hetty vanderai ploy, whom I will refer to together as the ploys. And I know that when I see PhD following the neighbor of an author, I perceive the author as having some credibility. They've now been joined by their daughter, Xavier plus ploy, as the CEO of the Wonder weeks. Apparently, Hetty actually died quite young in 2003 so when you hear me refer to Dr ploy. Later in the episode, is Dr Franz ploy. So, in this upcoming pair of episodes, I want to ask two overarching questions. In this first episode, we'll ask is the idea of Wonder weeks backed up by scientific research. And then in the upcoming episode, we'll ask, okay, based on what we learned here in the first episode, what if anything should we do with the ideas in the book to help us and our baby? So, if you're expecting or you have a child under the age of one, this episode is very much for you. Let's get started with our first question and look at the scientific research behind the Wonder. Weeks. So, Franz ploy studied biology and psychology. His wife, Hetty, studied educational psychology and anthropology, and together, they observed chimpanzees with Jane Goodall in Gombe National Park in Tanzania between 1971 and 1973.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:30

Franz obtained his PhD in the behavioral development of chimpanzee babies, and Hetty got hers in mother baby interaction in chimpanzees. Because these dissertations were submitted in the early 1980s and fortunately, I couldn't find any copies online, possibly as part of their dissertations or in related work. The employees noticed that baby chimpanzees seemed to go through a series of what they termed regression periods, by which they meant a return to behavior like clinging to their mother and nursing often which they hadn't done so much only a week or so previously. The ploys hypothesized that each of these regression periods was followed by a developmental leap, and they wondered whether similar periods might exist among human babies. Several previous researchers had generally coalesced around the idea that there are four major behavioral transitions in human babies. And in the late 1980s the ploys began a research project to see if these were all of the transitions, or if they could find any more. And they decided to do this by identifying periods of regressive behavior in babies, because there was agreement in the literature that these regressive periods accompanied developmental transitions. They say that this literature finds that some sort of transitions do exist, and that these occur at two, 712, and 18 to 21 months. Unfortunately, the literature here mostly consists of books rather than peer reviewed papers. It's not an exaggeration to say you can pretty much publish anything you want in a book. That's why we have the peer review process in journals, so other people look at papers before they're published and check that they are grounded in previous literature. It isn't a perfect process by any stretch of the imagination, but at least you know someone who knows the subject has checked it out. The ploys cite 13 authors or sets of authors in support of this claim, so I tried to track each of them down. Unfortunately, seven of them were book chapters or books themselves, and of course, these are books published in the 1970s and 80s, so I wasn't able to get a hold of them. One paper was a discussion about relationships between peer infants, which isn't really related to what we're talking about. One was a newsletter. One was peer reviewed and talked generally about development, but not specifically about developmental leaps. Two papers by the same author did talk about shifts in development, but didn't specifically say At what ages they occur. One of the 13 papers by McCall and colleagues, published in 1977 did specifically discuss finding shifts at two, 813, 21 And 30 to 36 months. So, they agree with the ploys that there's a shift at two months. But other than that, there's complete disagreement on the timing of the shifts. They cite other research indicating hypotheses about more regression periods, and conclude quote only after the regression periods are firmly established, can one address the quest for the number and the nature of the bio behavioral transitions. So, this is what they set out to do. The ploys. Were looking for the same kinds of regressive behavior that they had seen in chimps, which was seeking proximity to a preferred individual, usually the mother. When they worked with these chimps, they would primarily use direct observation, watching the chimps each month until they had 300 total minutes of observation time. They wanted to see if they could identify regression periods using a questionnaire and interview format with human mothers. So, they developed a questionnaire that they gave to mothers who agreed to participate in their study. In their paper, they said the questionnaire asks if the child was more fussy than usual, if they were looking for more body contact, if they were sleeping less, if they feared other people had more childish...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/wonderweekspart1]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9b823dc2-12d5-4116-ad52-2af90f59e0e4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/96c1afc4-c452-4184-a4dd-d7a78ea1362c/230-audio-v2.mp3" length="91589833" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>230</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>230</podcast:episode></item><item><title>229: Raising kids in divisive times: Where do we go after the 2024 election?</title><itunes:title>229: Raising kids in divisive times: Where do we go after the 2024 election?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>How to Raise Kids and Live Our Values in Divisive Times</h1>
&nbsp;

Chances are, if you're thinking of listening to this podcast episode, the 2024 election didn't go the way you hoped it would.

&nbsp;

A lot of people are feeling scared right now. I've heard some people wanting to fight, while others want to hunker down. I've had both of those feelings myself over the last few weeks.

&nbsp;

I don't usually wade into current events. My brain needs time to process and digest and preferably take in a lot of peer-reviewed research before I can decide what I think.

&nbsp;

I tried to do something different in this episode: I did read a lot, but I only took notes and then spoke mostly extemporaneously. And now you've seen the length of this episode you'll know why I don't do that very often.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>In this episode we will help you answer questions like:</strong></h2>
<ul><li><em>How do our values shape political views and actions?</em></li><li><em>How can we make sense of the way that liberals and conservatives prioritize different values?</em></li><li><em>Is it possible that liberals haven't been truly honest about how we live our values?</em></li><li><em>What kinds of actions can we take to create true belonging so we don't have to grasp at power?</em></li><li><em>How can we create true belonging in our families, to live our values honestly and completely?</em></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

I hope you find this thought-provoking and useful as we all start to think about the ways we can move forward - and keep <em>everyone</em> safe.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>These are the graphs mentioned in this episode:</strong></h2>
<h3><strong>Books mentioned in this episode:</strong></h3>
(Affiliate links)
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z3Tltx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power: How to Use Connection and Collaboration to Transform Your Family - and the World</a>, by Jen Lumanlan</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z3Tltx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Belonging without Othering</a>, by John A. Powell and Stephen Menendian</li><li><a href="https://braverangels.org/online/1-1-conversations/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schedule your own Red/Blue conversation through Braver Angels</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/ineverthoughtofitthatway/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/othering/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">114: How to stop ‘Othering’ and instead ‘Build Belonging’</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/equitableoutcomes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">221: How to advocate for the schools our children deserve with Allyson Criner Brown &amp; Cassie Gardener Manjikian</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:50 References to Dr. John Powell’s and Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s work, particularly <em>The Righteous Mind</em>, exploring political views.

04:45 Explanation of Haidt's five moral foundations and their impact on political perspectives.

07:00 Comparison of liberal and conservative priorities around moral foundations.

08:36 Discussion on care, fairness, loyalty, authority, and sanctity in policies.

10:46 Exploration of government intervention, wealth redistribution, immigration, and in-group loyalty.

13:06 Discussion on understanding and addressing the underlying needs of both groups.

17:46 Examples of Social Security and the GI Bill’s exclusionary practices.

19:16 Discussion of economic disparities and the call for fair, inclusive policies.

22:38 References to sociologist Arlie Hochschild’s work on the economic story behind Trump’s support.

24:00 Examination of cultural and economic factors influencing Trump’s voter base.

28:50 Examples of identity threats leading to group cohesion.

32:30 Advocacy for listening to Trump voters to understand their perspectives.

36:39 Explanation of targeted universalism to create inclusive policies.

38:25 Emphasis on policies that promote belonging and equity for all groups.

47:03 Discussion on the need for a new vision of masculinity and racially integrated relationships.

52:04 Emphasis on men understanding and supporting their partners’ needs.

01:00:53 Health benefits of belonging and the need to address exclusion.

01:03:27 Encouragement for civic engagement and understanding diverse perspectives to build an inclusive society.

01:28:07 Jen’s closing message on creating a world where everyone belongs.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>How to Raise Kids and Live Our Values in Divisive Times</h1>
&nbsp;

Chances are, if you're thinking of listening to this podcast episode, the 2024 election didn't go the way you hoped it would.

&nbsp;

A lot of people are feeling scared right now. I've heard some people wanting to fight, while others want to hunker down. I've had both of those feelings myself over the last few weeks.

&nbsp;

I don't usually wade into current events. My brain needs time to process and digest and preferably take in a lot of peer-reviewed research before I can decide what I think.

&nbsp;

I tried to do something different in this episode: I did read a lot, but I only took notes and then spoke mostly extemporaneously. And now you've seen the length of this episode you'll know why I don't do that very often.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>In this episode we will help you answer questions like:</strong></h2>
<ul><li><em>How do our values shape political views and actions?</em></li><li><em>How can we make sense of the way that liberals and conservatives prioritize different values?</em></li><li><em>Is it possible that liberals haven't been truly honest about how we live our values?</em></li><li><em>What kinds of actions can we take to create true belonging so we don't have to grasp at power?</em></li><li><em>How can we create true belonging in our families, to live our values honestly and completely?</em></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

I hope you find this thought-provoking and useful as we all start to think about the ways we can move forward - and keep <em>everyone</em> safe.

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>These are the graphs mentioned in this episode:</strong></h2>
<h3><strong>Books mentioned in this episode:</strong></h3>
(Affiliate links)
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z3Tltx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power: How to Use Connection and Collaboration to Transform Your Family - and the World</a>, by Jen Lumanlan</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Z3Tltx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Belonging without Othering</a>, by John A. Powell and Stephen Menendian</li><li><a href="https://braverangels.org/online/1-1-conversations/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schedule your own Red/Blue conversation through Braver Angels</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/ineverthoughtofitthatway/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/othering/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">114: How to stop ‘Othering’ and instead ‘Build Belonging’</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/equitableoutcomes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">221: How to advocate for the schools our children deserve with Allyson Criner Brown &amp; Cassie Gardener Manjikian</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:50 References to Dr. John Powell’s and Dr. Jonathan Haidt’s work, particularly <em>The Righteous Mind</em>, exploring political views.

04:45 Explanation of Haidt's five moral foundations and their impact on political perspectives.

07:00 Comparison of liberal and conservative priorities around moral foundations.

08:36 Discussion on care, fairness, loyalty, authority, and sanctity in policies.

10:46 Exploration of government intervention, wealth redistribution, immigration, and in-group loyalty.

13:06 Discussion on understanding and addressing the underlying needs of both groups.

17:46 Examples of Social Security and the GI Bill’s exclusionary practices.

19:16 Discussion of economic disparities and the call for fair, inclusive policies.

22:38 References to sociologist Arlie Hochschild’s work on the economic story behind Trump’s support.

24:00 Examination of cultural and economic factors influencing Trump’s voter base.

28:50 Examples of identity threats leading to group cohesion.

32:30 Advocacy for listening to Trump voters to understand their perspectives.

36:39 Explanation of targeted universalism to create inclusive policies.

38:25 Emphasis on policies that promote belonging and equity for all groups.

47:03 Discussion on the need for a new vision of masculinity and racially integrated relationships.

52:04 Emphasis on men understanding and supporting their partners’ needs.

01:00:53 Health benefits of belonging and the need to address exclusion.

01:03:27 Encouragement for civic engagement and understanding diverse perspectives to build an inclusive society.

01:28:07 Jen’s closing message on creating a world where everyone belongs.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/trump]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7042ef07-90fa-4895-8fe6-27b18736eab2</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2024 03:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/7042ef07-90fa-4895-8fe6-27b18736eab2.mp3" length="135919369" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:34:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>229</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>229</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/af87c9b9-6c74-4241-b015-ceb8c3ed1234/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>228: Parenting Through Menopause – Discover Your Wise Power!</title><itunes:title>Parenting Through Menopause - Discover Your Wild Power! | Ep228</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>Learn How To Navigate Menopause While Raising Kids</h2><p><br></p><p>Today, we’re diving into a topic that many parents may face but rarely talk about openly: navigating menopause while raising young kids. If you’ve been wondering how to balance parenting with the changes menopause brings, this episode is for you.</p><p><br></p><p>In our first interview on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mca/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Menstrual Cycle Awareness</a>, we explored how menstruation impacts our lives. Today, we’re thrilled to welcome back our wonderful guests, <strong>Alexandra Pope</strong> and <strong>Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer</strong>, for a second interview focusing on menopause. Alexandra Pope, Co-Founder of Red School and Co-Author of <em>Wild Power</em> and <em>Wise Power</em>, is a pioneer in menstruality education and awareness. With over 30 years of experience, Alexandra believes that each stage of the menstrual journey—from the first period to menopause and beyond—holds a unique power. Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer, also Co-Founder of Red School and Co-Author of <em>Wild Power</em> and <em>Wise Power</em>, is a psychotherapist and menstrual cycle educator. She is passionate about helping people understand and honor their natural rhythms, using menstrual cycle awareness as a tool for self-care and empowerment.</p><p><br></p><p>In this conversation, they’ll share their insights on embracing menopause as a time of empowerment rather than something to simply endure. They introduce us to their concept of “Wild Power,” a strength that arises from understanding and honoring your body’s natural rhythms through every stage of life.</p><h2>Why Menopause Matters in Parenting</h2><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>When we have kids a bit on the 'later' side, we may find ourselves dealing with perimenopause - when our body prepares for menopause - as we're raising young children. This experience can bring challenges, like feeling more tired or dealing with mood changes, but it also offers us new ways to grow and find our inner strength. Alexandra and Sjanie show us how we can be more understanding and open with ourselves and others as we go through this time of change.</p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode:</h2><ul><li>What is Menopause? Alexandra and Sjanie explain what menopause and perimenopause are and how these natural changes affect us physically and emotionally;</li><li>The Wild Power Within: Discover how your unique energy can be a guiding force in both your personal life and in parenting;</li><li>Tools to Support Yourself: Simple ways to be kinder to yourself, balance rest with activity, and embrace each phase with a sense of discovery;</li><li>Reconnecting with Yourself: Learn how you can stay grounded and connected to your inner self as you navigate the ups and downs of menopause.</li></ul><br/><h2><strong>Listen in to this powerful conversation that might just change the way you think about parenting—and about yourself.</strong>Alexandra and Sjanie’s books</h2><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>(Affiliate Links):</p><ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/461o4sQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wild power: Discover the magic of your menstrual cycle and awaken the feminine path to power</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WvQ3hv" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wise power: Discover the liberating power of menopause to awaken authority, purpose and belonging</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li><strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/mca" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">222: How to cultivate Menstrual Cycle Awareness</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/menopause/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">216: Am I in Perimenopause? with Dr. Louise Newson</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:03 Introducing today’s episode and featured guests</p><p><br></p><p>00:52 Understanding menopause and it's stages</p><p><br></p><p>03:02 Introduction to menopause terminology: perimenopause, menopause, post-menopause</p><p><br></p><p>05:34 Phases compared to seasons, each with unique emotional and psychological developments</p><p><br></p><p>06:44 Defining menopause and it's psychological impact</p><p><br></p><p>08:51 Importance of self-care and preparation for menopause</p><p><br></p><p>09:59 "Quickening" phase introduces a creative energy shift</p><p><br></p><p>17:43 Navigating menopause as a parent</p><p><br></p><p>18:15 Challenges for parents in their 40s during menopause</p><p><br></p><p>21:00 Importance of self-acceptance, setting boundaries, and receiving partner support</p><p><br></p><p>24:44 Symptoms and self-care in menopause</p><p><br></p><p>34:29 Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and it's implications</p><p><br></p><p>44:16 The role of the inner critic in menopause</p><p><br></p><p>54:18 Final thoughts and resources</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Learn How To Navigate Menopause While Raising Kids</h2><p><br></p><p>Today, we’re diving into a topic that many parents may face but rarely talk about openly: navigating menopause while raising young kids. If you’ve been wondering how to balance parenting with the changes menopause brings, this episode is for you.</p><p><br></p><p>In our first interview on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mca/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Menstrual Cycle Awareness</a>, we explored how menstruation impacts our lives. Today, we’re thrilled to welcome back our wonderful guests, <strong>Alexandra Pope</strong> and <strong>Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer</strong>, for a second interview focusing on menopause. Alexandra Pope, Co-Founder of Red School and Co-Author of <em>Wild Power</em> and <em>Wise Power</em>, is a pioneer in menstruality education and awareness. With over 30 years of experience, Alexandra believes that each stage of the menstrual journey—from the first period to menopause and beyond—holds a unique power. Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer, also Co-Founder of Red School and Co-Author of <em>Wild Power</em> and <em>Wise Power</em>, is a psychotherapist and menstrual cycle educator. She is passionate about helping people understand and honor their natural rhythms, using menstrual cycle awareness as a tool for self-care and empowerment.</p><p><br></p><p>In this conversation, they’ll share their insights on embracing menopause as a time of empowerment rather than something to simply endure. They introduce us to their concept of “Wild Power,” a strength that arises from understanding and honoring your body’s natural rhythms through every stage of life.</p><h2>Why Menopause Matters in Parenting</h2><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>When we have kids a bit on the 'later' side, we may find ourselves dealing with perimenopause - when our body prepares for menopause - as we're raising young children. This experience can bring challenges, like feeling more tired or dealing with mood changes, but it also offers us new ways to grow and find our inner strength. Alexandra and Sjanie show us how we can be more understanding and open with ourselves and others as we go through this time of change.</p><h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode:</h2><ul><li>What is Menopause? Alexandra and Sjanie explain what menopause and perimenopause are and how these natural changes affect us physically and emotionally;</li><li>The Wild Power Within: Discover how your unique energy can be a guiding force in both your personal life and in parenting;</li><li>Tools to Support Yourself: Simple ways to be kinder to yourself, balance rest with activity, and embrace each phase with a sense of discovery;</li><li>Reconnecting with Yourself: Learn how you can stay grounded and connected to your inner self as you navigate the ups and downs of menopause.</li></ul><br/><h2><strong>Listen in to this powerful conversation that might just change the way you think about parenting—and about yourself.</strong>Alexandra and Sjanie’s books</h2><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>(Affiliate Links):</p><ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/461o4sQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wild power: Discover the magic of your menstrual cycle and awaken the feminine path to power</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WvQ3hv" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wise power: Discover the liberating power of menopause to awaken authority, purpose and belonging</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li><strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/mca" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">222: How to cultivate Menstrual Cycle Awareness</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/menopause/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">216: Am I in Perimenopause? with Dr. Louise Newson</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:03 Introducing today’s episode and featured guests</p><p><br></p><p>00:52 Understanding menopause and it's stages</p><p><br></p><p>03:02 Introduction to menopause terminology: perimenopause, menopause, post-menopause</p><p><br></p><p>05:34 Phases compared to seasons, each with unique emotional and psychological developments</p><p><br></p><p>06:44 Defining menopause and it's psychological impact</p><p><br></p><p>08:51 Importance of self-care and preparation for menopause</p><p><br></p><p>09:59 "Quickening" phase introduces a creative energy shift</p><p><br></p><p>17:43 Navigating menopause as a parent</p><p><br></p><p>18:15 Challenges for parents in their 40s during menopause</p><p><br></p><p>21:00 Importance of self-acceptance, setting boundaries, and receiving partner support</p><p><br></p><p>24:44 Symptoms and self-care in menopause</p><p><br></p><p>34:29 Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and it's implications</p><p><br></p><p>44:16 The role of the inner critic in menopause</p><p><br></p><p>54:18 Final thoughts and resources</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/wisepower]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f51c4be7-3904-475f-9dc1-07dfa618e922</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2024 03:32:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f51c4be7-3904-475f-9dc1-07dfa618e922.mp3" length="85902409" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>228</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>228</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5baeb0c1-6b60-4478-81fd-26eea44cf604/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>227: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 2</title><itunes:title>227: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 2</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Understanding Emotions: Insights from Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett</h1>
In our last conversation with Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">[Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1]</a> a couple of weeks ago we looked at her theory of where emotions originate. This has important implications for things like:

&nbsp;
<ul><li>How our 'body budgets' affect our feelings</li><li>How we make meaning from our feelings so our internal experience makes sense</li><li>That we don't always understand other people's feelings very well!</li></ul><br/>
The introduction to the theory plus the conversation plus the take-home messages would have made for an unwieldy episode, so I split it in half.

&nbsp;

Today we conclude the conversation with Dr. Barrett and I also offer some thoughts about things I think are really important from across the two episodes, including:
<ul><li>What we can do with the information our feelings give us</li><li>How long we should support children in feeling their feelings (given that they don't always mean what we think they mean!) and when we should help them move on</li><li>Some tools we can use to re-regulate in difficult moments with our kids</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

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<h3>Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett's Books (Affiliate Links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Yu2WKd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How Emotions are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3AaL5xL" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yelling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">129: The physical reasons you yell at your kids</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introducing today’s episode and featured guests

05:01 People in chaotic or uncertain situations, like poverty or neurodivergence, face greater challenges due to the increased stress on their body budgets.

18:02 Understanding and managing personal needs as a parent, along with emotional flexibility, can lead to more effective responses to children.

23:46 Parents need to balance their own feelings with their children's by asking if their kids want empathy or help. They should remember that every interaction is a chance to teach kids how to manage their emotions.

31:07 Parents can view their empathy for their children as a sign of competence, balancing their own needs with their child's emotions.

34:22 Jen draws conclusions from Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett’s research on emotions, highlighting how parents can use this understanding to empower their children in navigating feelings and enhancing emotional literacy.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Barrett, L. F., Adolphs, R., Marsella, S., Martinez, A. M., &amp; Pollak, S. D. (2019). Emotional expressions reconsidered: Challenges to inferring emotion from human facial movements. <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 20</em>, 1–68.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Barrett, L.F. (2012). Emotions are real. Emotion 12(3), 413-429.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Barrett, L.F., Gross, J., Christensen, T.C., &amp; Benvenuto, M. (2001). Knowing what you're feeling and knowing what to do about it: Mapping the relation between emotion differentiation and emotion regulation. Cognition and Emotion 15(6), 713-724.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Eisenberger, N.I. (2012). The pain of social disconnection: Examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain. Nature Reviews: Neuroscience 13, 421-434.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Fischer, S. (July 2013). About Face. Boston Magazine, 68-73.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gee, D. G., Gabard-Durnam, L., Telzer, E. H., Humphreys, K. L., Goff, B., Shapiro, M., ... &amp; Tottenham, N. (2014). Maternal buffering of human amygdala-prefrontal circuitry during childhood but not during adolescence. <em>Psychological Science</em>, <em>25</em>(11), 2067-2078.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gopnik, A., &amp; Sobel, D. M. (2000). Detecting blickets: How young children use information about novel causal powers in categorization and induction. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>71</em>(5), 1205-1222.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gross, J.J., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2011). Emotion generation and emotion regulation: One or two depends on your point of view. Emotion Review 3(1), 8-16.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Haidt, J., &amp; Keltner, D. (1999). Culture and facial expression: Open-ended methods find more expressions and a gradient of recognition. <em>Cognition &amp; Emotion</em>, <em>13</em>, 225–266.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., Crittenden, A.N., Mangola, S.M., Endeko, E.S., Dussault, E., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Mesquita, B. (2023). What we can learn about emotion by talking with the Hadza. Perspectives on Psychological Science 19(1), 173-200.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2022). Assessing the power of words to facilitate emotion category learning. Affective Science 3, 69-80.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Hoemann, K., Khan, Z., Kamona, N., Dy, J., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Quigley, K.S. (2020). Investigating the relationship between emotional granularity and cardiorespiratory physiological activity in daily life. Psychophysiology 58(6), e13818.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Killingsworth, M.A., &amp; Gilbert, D.T. (2010). A wandering mind is an unhappy mind. Science 330, 932.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Lindquist, K.A., Wager, T.D., Kober, H., Bliss-Moreau, E., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2012). The brain basis of emotion: A meta-analytic review. Behavioral and Brain Sciences 35(3), 121-143.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Pratt, M., Singer, M., Kanat-Maymon, Y., &amp; Feldman, R. (2015). Infant negative reactivity defines the effects of parent–child synchrony on physiological and behavioral regulation of social stress. <em>Development and Psychopathology</em>, <em>27</em>(4pt1), 1191-1204.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). Situating and extending the sense of should: Reply to comments on "The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure." Physics of Life Reviews 37, 10-16.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure. Physics of Life Reviews 36, 100-136.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Tugade, M.M., Fredrickson, B.L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2004). Psychological resilience and positive emotional granularity: Examining the benefits of positive emotions on coping and health. Journal of Personality 72(1), 1161-1190.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Waters, S. F., West, T. V., &amp; Mendes, W. B. (2014). Stress contagion: Physiological covariation between mothers and infants. <em>Psychological science</em>, <em>25</em>(4), 934-942.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Wilson-Mendenhall, C.D., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Barsalou, L.W. (2013). Situating emotional experience. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience 7, 764.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Xu, F., Cote, M., &amp; Baker, A. (2005). Labeling guides object individuation in 12 month old infants. Psychological Science 16(5), 372-377.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Understanding Emotions: Insights from Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett</h1>
In our last conversation with Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/emotionspart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">[Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1]</a> a couple of weeks ago we looked at her theory of where emotions originate. This has important implications for things like:

&nbsp;
<ul><li>How our 'body budgets' affect our feelings</li><li>How we make meaning from our feelings so our internal experience makes sense</li><li>That we don't always understand other people's feelings very well!</li></ul><br/>
The introduction to the theory plus the conversation plus the take-home messages would have made for an unwieldy episode, so I split it in half.

&nbsp;

Today we conclude the conversation with Dr. Barrett and I also offer some thoughts about things I think are really important from across the two episodes, including:
<ul><li>What we can do with the information our feelings give us</li><li>How long we should support children in feeling their feelings (given that they don't always mean what we think they mean!) and when we should help them move on</li><li>Some tools we can use to re-regulate in difficult moments with our kids</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

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<h3></h3>
<h3>Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett's Books (Affiliate Links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3Yu2WKd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How Emotions are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3AaL5xL" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yelling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">129: The physical reasons you yell at your kids</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introducing today’s episode and featured guests

05:01 People in chaotic or uncertain situations, like poverty or neurodivergence, face greater challenges due to the increased stress on their body budgets.

18:02 Understanding and managing personal needs as a parent, along with emotional flexibility, can lead to more effective responses to children.

23:46 Parents need to balance their own feelings with their children's by asking if their kids want empathy or help. They should remember that every interaction is a chance to teach kids how to manage their emotions.

31:07 Parents can view their empathy for their children as a sign of competence, balancing their own needs with their child's emotions.

34:22 Jen draws conclusions from Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett’s research on emotions, highlighting how parents can use this understanding to empower their children in navigating feelings and enhancing emotional literacy.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Barrett, L. F., Adolphs, R., Marsella, S., Martinez, A. M., &amp; Pollak, S. D. (2019). Emotional expressions reconsidered: Challenges to inferring emotion from human facial movements. <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 20</em>, 1–68.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Barrett, L.F. (2012). Emotions are real. Emotion 12(3), 413-429.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Barrett, L.F., Gross, J., Christensen, T.C., &amp; Benvenuto, M. (2001). Knowing what you're feeling and knowing what to do about it: Mapping the relation between emotion differentiation and emotion regulation. Cognition and Emotion 15(6), 713-724.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Eisenberger, N.I. (2012). The pain of social disconnection: Examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain. Nature Reviews: Neuroscience 13, 421-434.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Fischer, S. (July 2013). About Face. Boston Magazine, 68-73.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gee, D. G., Gabard-Durnam, L., Telzer, E. H., Humphreys, K. L., Goff, B., Shapiro, M., ... &amp; Tottenham, N. (2014). Maternal buffering of human amygdala-prefrontal circuitry during childhood but not during adolescence. <em>Psychological Science</em>, <em>25</em>(11), 2067-2078.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gopnik, A., &amp; Sobel, D. M. (2000). Detecting blickets: How young children use information about novel causal powers in categorization and induction. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>71</em>(5), 1205-1222.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gross, J.J., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2011). Emotion generation and emotion regulation: One or two depends on your point of view. Emotion Review 3(1), 8-16.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Haidt, J., &amp; Keltner, D. (1999). Culture and facial expression: Open-ended methods find more expressions and a gradient of recognition. <em>Cognition &amp; Emotion</em>, <em>13</em>, 225–266.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., Crittenden, A.N., Mangola, S.M., Endeko, E.S., Dussault, E., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Mesquita, B. (2023). What we can learn about emotion by talking with the Hadza. Perspectives on Psychological Science 19(1), 173-200.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2022). Assessing the power of words to facilitate emotion category learning. Affective Science 3, 69-80.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Hoemann, K., Khan, Z., Kamona, N., Dy, J., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Quigley, K.S. (2020). Investigating the relationship between emotional granularity and cardiorespiratory physiological activity in daily life. Psychophysiology 58(6), e13818.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Killingsworth, M.A., &amp; Gilbert, D.T. (2010). A wandering mind is an unhappy mind. Science 330, 932.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Lindquist, K.A., Wager, T.D., Kober, H., Bliss-Moreau, E., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2012). The brain basis of emotion: A meta-analytic review. Behavioral and Brain Sciences 35(3), 121-143.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Pratt, M., Singer, M., Kanat-Maymon, Y., &amp; Feldman, R. (2015). Infant negative reactivity defines the effects of parent–child synchrony on physiological and behavioral regulation of social stress. <em>Development and Psychopathology</em>, <em>27</em>(4pt1), 1191-1204.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). Situating and extending the sense of should: Reply to comments on "The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure." Physics of Life Reviews 37, 10-16.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure. Physics of Life Reviews 36, 100-136.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Tugade, M.M., Fredrickson, B.L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2004). Psychological resilience and positive emotional granularity: Examining the benefits of positive emotions on coping and health. Journal of Personality 72(1), 1161-1190.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Waters, S. F., West, T. V., &amp; Mendes, W. B. (2014). Stress contagion: Physiological covariation between mothers and infants. <em>Psychological science</em>, <em>25</em>(4), 934-942.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Wilson-Mendenhall, C.D., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Barsalou, L.W. (2013). Situating emotional experience. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience 7, 764.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Xu, F., Cote, M., &amp; Baker, A. (2005). Labeling guides object individuation in 12 month old infants. Psychological Science 16(5), 372-377.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/emotionspart2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">425c332c-6917-4212-a24a-6164111ded7a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/425c332c-6917-4212-a24a-6164111ded7a.mp3" length="68783689" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:46</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>227</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>227</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/57601e3f-5d88-4155-a0f2-7070d37900d2/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>226: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1</title><itunes:title>226: Where emotions come from (and why it matters) Part 1</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Understanding Emotions: Insights from Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett</h1>
Have you ever wondered where our emotions come from?

&nbsp;

Do you think that if you look at a person’s face, you can have a pretty good idea of how they’re feeling?

&nbsp;

But at the same time, do your child’s feelings seem mysterious to you, like you can’t figure them out?

&nbsp;

Listener Akiko introduced me to Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett's theory of where our emotions come from, and I found it fascinating. It presents compelling evidence that the ways we've thought about emotions up to now may be entirely wrong.

&nbsp;

We might think we can match a specific arrangement of facial features (like a scowl) with a particular emotion (like anger), but not everyone scowls when they're angry and people also scowl when they aren't angry.

&nbsp;

We tend to infer characteristics about our child from things like their tone, so we might hear a 'snarky' tone and think: "My child doesn't respect me," when actually they're feeling hurt because their need for consideration hasn't been met.

&nbsp;

And sometimes there isn't a deep psychological reason why they're having big emotions...sometimes it's a challenge in balancing what Dr. Barrett calls their 'body budget' (and some of <em>our</em> big emotions come from challenges in balancing our body budgets as well).

&nbsp;

Dr. Barrett is the author of over 275 peer-reviewed articles on the topic of emotions and is among the top 0.1% of cited scientists in the world, so it was a real honor to speak with her about how our emotions are made...and what this means for:
<ul><li>How we make meaning out of our emotions (which is critical to understanding the trauma we've experienced)</li><li>How we talk with kids about emotions ("You hit Johnny and now he's feeling sad" might not be the best way to do this);</li><li>What to do with big emotional expressions that seem to 'come out of nowhere' - which actually happens fairly rarely.</li></ul><br/>
This episode opens with me defining Dr. Barrett's theory of emotions so we didn't have to waste 20 minutes of our precious hour together to do that. I also wanted to share my thoughts on the implications of these ideas for our families and the episode would have been too long so I split it in half. In this episode you'll hear the introduction to the theory, half of the conversation with Dr. Barrett, and my thoughts on what we've heard so far.

&nbsp;

In an upcoming episode we'll hear the second half of the interview as well as my overarching take-aways from across the two episodes.

&nbsp;

And just a reminder that if you're having your own big emotional reactions in response to your child's difficult (but age-appropriate) behavior, there are real reasons for that.

&nbsp;

We discuss meaning-making in the conversation with Dr. Barrett: in the Taming Your Triggers, we focus heavily on making meaning out of your experience. Whether you've experienced trauma and need help seeing the connections between your experiences and your triggered feelings towards your children, or if you need help with your body budgeting today, in Taming Your Triggers we'll help you to:
<ul><li>Feel triggered less often;</li><li>Find ways to meet your needs - and your child's needs - on a much more regular basis;</li><li>Learn how to repair effectively with your child on the (far fewer!) occasions when things didn't go the way you would have hoped.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett's book (Affiliate Links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4gMrlBj" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How Emotions Are Made</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3XSE4K1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introducing today’s topic and guests

04:16 Studies show that facial expressions don’t always show how a person is truly feeling.

09:02 Dr. Paul Ekman's research suggested universal emotions, but later studies show emotions are influenced by learned concepts and vary across cultures.

15:56 Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett shares that while some scientists resist the idea of emotions being constructed, many people find it intuitive.

19:56 Dr. Barrett emphasizes that parents can guide children in understanding emotions by thoughtfully choosing words, which help kids interpret their body signals and shape their emotional experiences

29:02 Physical expressions don't directly correlate with emotions, making it essential to consider context when interpreting feelings.

37:16Sometimes, parents think their child is being disrespectful when they are just having a tough day. Instead of jumping to conclusions, it's better to be curious about how others feel.

43:24Jen’s key takeaways from the conversation

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Barrett, L. F., Adolphs, R., Marsella, S., Martinez, A. M., &amp; Pollak, S. D. (2019). Emotional expressions reconsidered: Challenges to inferring emotion from human facial movements. <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 20</em>, 1–68.

<hr />

Barrett, L.F. (2012). Emotions are real. Emotion 12(3), 413-429.

<hr />

Barrett, L.F., Gross, J., Christensen, T.C., &amp; Benvenuto, M. (2001). Knowing what you’re feeling and knowing what to do about it: Mapping the relation between emotion differentiation and emotion regulation. Cognition and Emotion 15(6), 713-724.

<hr />

Eisenberger, N.I. (2012). The pain of social disconnection: Examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain. Nature Reviews: Neuroscience 13, 421-434.

<hr />

Fischer, S. (July 2013). About Face. Boston Magazine, 68-73.

<hr />

Gee, D. G., Gabard-Durnam, L., Telzer, E. H., Humphreys, K. L., Goff, B., Shapiro, M., ... &amp; Tottenham, N. (2014). Maternal buffering of human amygdala-prefrontal circuitry during childhood but not during adolescence. <em>Psychological Science</em>, <em>25</em>(11), 2067-2078.

<hr />

Gopnik, A., &amp; Sobel, D. M. (2000). Detecting blickets: How young children use information about novel causal powers in categorization and induction. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>71</em>(5), 1205-1222.

<hr />

Gross, J.J., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2011). Emotion generation and emotion regulation: One or two depends on your point of view. Emotion Review 3(1), 8-16.

<hr />

Haidt, J., &amp; Keltner, D. (1999). Culture and facial expression: Open-ended methods find more expressions and a gradient of recognition. <em>Cognition &amp; Emotion</em>, <em>13</em>, 225–266.

<hr />

Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., Crittenden, A.N., Mangola, S.M., Endeko, E.S., Dussault, E., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Mesquita, B. (2023). What we can learn about emotion by talking with the Hadza. Perspectives on Psychological Science 19(1), 173-200.

<hr />

Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2022). Assessing the power of words to facilitate emotion category learning. Affective Science 3, 69-80.

<hr />

Hoemann, K., Khan, Z., Kamona, N., Dy, J., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Quigley, K.S. (2020). Investigating the relationship between emotional granularity and cardiorespiratory physiological activity in daily life. Psychophysiology 58(6), e13818.

<hr />

Killingsworth, M.A., &amp; Gilbert, D.T. (2010). A wandering mind is an unhappy mind. Science 330, 932.

<hr />

Lindquist, K.A., Wager, T.D., Kober, H., Bliss-Moreau, E., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2012). The brain basis of emotion: A meta-analytic review. Behavioral and Brain Sciences 35(3), 121-143.

<hr />

Pratt, M., Singer, M., Kanat-Maymon, Y., &amp; Feldman, R. (2015). Infant negative reactivity defines the effects of parent–child synchrony on physiological and behavioral regulation of social stress. <em>Development and Psychopathology</em>, <em>27</em>(4pt1), 1191-1204.

<hr />

Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). Situating and extending the sense of should: Reply to comments on “The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure.” Physics of Life Reviews 37, 10-16.

<hr />

Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure. Physics of Life Reviews 36, 100-136.

<hr />

Tugade, M.M., Fredrickson, B.L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2004). Psychological resilience and positive emotional granularity: Examining the benefits of positive emotions on coping and health. Journal of Personality 72(6), 1161-1190.

<hr />

Waters, S. F., West, T. V., &amp; Mendes, W. B. (2014). Stress contagion: Physiological covariation between mothers and infants. <em>Psychological science</em>, <em>25</em>(4), 934-942.

<hr />

Wilson-Mendenhall, C.D., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Barsalou, L.W. (2013). Situating emotional experience. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience 7, 764.

<hr />

Xu, F., Cote, M., &amp; Baker, A. (2005). Labeling guides object individuation in 12-month-old infants. Psychological Science 16(5), 372-377.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Understanding Emotions: Insights from Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett</h1>
Have you ever wondered where our emotions come from?

&nbsp;

Do you think that if you look at a person’s face, you can have a pretty good idea of how they’re feeling?

&nbsp;

But at the same time, do your child’s feelings seem mysterious to you, like you can’t figure them out?

&nbsp;

Listener Akiko introduced me to Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett's theory of where our emotions come from, and I found it fascinating. It presents compelling evidence that the ways we've thought about emotions up to now may be entirely wrong.

&nbsp;

We might think we can match a specific arrangement of facial features (like a scowl) with a particular emotion (like anger), but not everyone scowls when they're angry and people also scowl when they aren't angry.

&nbsp;

We tend to infer characteristics about our child from things like their tone, so we might hear a 'snarky' tone and think: "My child doesn't respect me," when actually they're feeling hurt because their need for consideration hasn't been met.

&nbsp;

And sometimes there isn't a deep psychological reason why they're having big emotions...sometimes it's a challenge in balancing what Dr. Barrett calls their 'body budget' (and some of <em>our</em> big emotions come from challenges in balancing our body budgets as well).

&nbsp;

Dr. Barrett is the author of over 275 peer-reviewed articles on the topic of emotions and is among the top 0.1% of cited scientists in the world, so it was a real honor to speak with her about how our emotions are made...and what this means for:
<ul><li>How we make meaning out of our emotions (which is critical to understanding the trauma we've experienced)</li><li>How we talk with kids about emotions ("You hit Johnny and now he's feeling sad" might not be the best way to do this);</li><li>What to do with big emotional expressions that seem to 'come out of nowhere' - which actually happens fairly rarely.</li></ul><br/>
This episode opens with me defining Dr. Barrett's theory of emotions so we didn't have to waste 20 minutes of our precious hour together to do that. I also wanted to share my thoughts on the implications of these ideas for our families and the episode would have been too long so I split it in half. In this episode you'll hear the introduction to the theory, half of the conversation with Dr. Barrett, and my thoughts on what we've heard so far.

&nbsp;

In an upcoming episode we'll hear the second half of the interview as well as my overarching take-aways from across the two episodes.

&nbsp;

And just a reminder that if you're having your own big emotional reactions in response to your child's difficult (but age-appropriate) behavior, there are real reasons for that.

&nbsp;

We discuss meaning-making in the conversation with Dr. Barrett: in the Taming Your Triggers, we focus heavily on making meaning out of your experience. Whether you've experienced trauma and need help seeing the connections between your experiences and your triggered feelings towards your children, or if you need help with your body budgeting today, in Taming Your Triggers we'll help you to:
<ul><li>Feel triggered less often;</li><li>Find ways to meet your needs - and your child's needs - on a much more regular basis;</li><li>Learn how to repair effectively with your child on the (far fewer!) occasions when things didn't go the way you would have hoped.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett's book (Affiliate Links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4gMrlBj" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How Emotions Are Made</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3XSE4K1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introducing today’s topic and guests

04:16 Studies show that facial expressions don’t always show how a person is truly feeling.

09:02 Dr. Paul Ekman's research suggested universal emotions, but later studies show emotions are influenced by learned concepts and vary across cultures.

15:56 Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett shares that while some scientists resist the idea of emotions being constructed, many people find it intuitive.

19:56 Dr. Barrett emphasizes that parents can guide children in understanding emotions by thoughtfully choosing words, which help kids interpret their body signals and shape their emotional experiences

29:02 Physical expressions don't directly correlate with emotions, making it essential to consider context when interpreting feelings.

37:16Sometimes, parents think their child is being disrespectful when they are just having a tough day. Instead of jumping to conclusions, it's better to be curious about how others feel.

43:24Jen’s key takeaways from the conversation

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Barrett, L. F., Adolphs, R., Marsella, S., Martinez, A. M., &amp; Pollak, S. D. (2019). Emotional expressions reconsidered: Challenges to inferring emotion from human facial movements. <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 20</em>, 1–68.

<hr />

Barrett, L.F. (2012). Emotions are real. Emotion 12(3), 413-429.

<hr />

Barrett, L.F., Gross, J., Christensen, T.C., &amp; Benvenuto, M. (2001). Knowing what you’re feeling and knowing what to do about it: Mapping the relation between emotion differentiation and emotion regulation. Cognition and Emotion 15(6), 713-724.

<hr />

Eisenberger, N.I. (2012). The pain of social disconnection: Examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain. Nature Reviews: Neuroscience 13, 421-434.

<hr />

Fischer, S. (July 2013). About Face. Boston Magazine, 68-73.

<hr />

Gee, D. G., Gabard-Durnam, L., Telzer, E. H., Humphreys, K. L., Goff, B., Shapiro, M., ... &amp; Tottenham, N. (2014). Maternal buffering of human amygdala-prefrontal circuitry during childhood but not during adolescence. <em>Psychological Science</em>, <em>25</em>(11), 2067-2078.

<hr />

Gopnik, A., &amp; Sobel, D. M. (2000). Detecting blickets: How young children use information about novel causal powers in categorization and induction. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>71</em>(5), 1205-1222.

<hr />

Gross, J.J., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2011). Emotion generation and emotion regulation: One or two depends on your point of view. Emotion Review 3(1), 8-16.

<hr />

Haidt, J., &amp; Keltner, D. (1999). Culture and facial expression: Open-ended methods find more expressions and a gradient of recognition. <em>Cognition &amp; Emotion</em>, <em>13</em>, 225–266.

<hr />

Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., Crittenden, A.N., Mangola, S.M., Endeko, E.S., Dussault, E., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Mesquita, B. (2023). What we can learn about emotion by talking with the Hadza. Perspectives on Psychological Science 19(1), 173-200.

<hr />

Hoemann, K., Gendron, M., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2022). Assessing the power of words to facilitate emotion category learning. Affective Science 3, 69-80.

<hr />

Hoemann, K., Khan, Z., Kamona, N., Dy, J., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Quigley, K.S. (2020). Investigating the relationship between emotional granularity and cardiorespiratory physiological activity in daily life. Psychophysiology 58(6), e13818.

<hr />

Killingsworth, M.A., &amp; Gilbert, D.T. (2010). A wandering mind is an unhappy mind. Science 330, 932.

<hr />

Lindquist, K.A., Wager, T.D., Kober, H., Bliss-Moreau, E., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2012). The brain basis of emotion: A meta-analytic review. Behavioral and Brain Sciences 35(3), 121-143.

<hr />

Pratt, M., Singer, M., Kanat-Maymon, Y., &amp; Feldman, R. (2015). Infant negative reactivity defines the effects of parent–child synchrony on physiological and behavioral regulation of social stress. <em>Development and Psychopathology</em>, <em>27</em>(4pt1), 1191-1204.

<hr />

Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). Situating and extending the sense of should: Reply to comments on “The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure.” Physics of Life Reviews 37, 10-16.

<hr />

Theriault, J.E., Young, L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2021). The sense of should: A biologically-based framework for modeling social pressure. Physics of Life Reviews 36, 100-136.

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Tugade, M.M., Fredrickson, B.L., &amp; Barrett, L.F. (2004). Psychological resilience and positive emotional granularity: Examining the benefits of positive emotions on coping and health. Journal of Personality 72(6), 1161-1190.

<hr />

Waters, S. F., West, T. V., &amp; Mendes, W. B. (2014). Stress contagion: Physiological covariation between mothers and infants. <em>Psychological science</em>, <em>25</em>(4), 934-942.

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Wilson-Mendenhall, C.D., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Barsalou, L.W. (2013). Situating emotional experience. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience 7, 764.

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Xu, F., Cote, M., &amp; Baker, A. (2005). Labeling guides object individuation in 12-month-old infants. Psychological Science 16(5), 372-377.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/emotionspart1]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8fc03657-1dbc-40d9-8abc-ae7981599642</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/8fc03657-1dbc-40d9-8abc-ae7981599642.mp3" length="72585289" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>226</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>226</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/fdd64813-18bb-41ef-be2e-7721bf02d7da/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>225: How to stop shaming your child</title><itunes:title>225: How to stop shaming your child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Learn ways how to overcome parenting triggers</h1>
I know it can be really (really) difficult to bridge the gap between being the kind of parent we want to be, and the kind of parent we're able to be in the moments when our kids do things we find difficult.

&nbsp;

We might know that we want our kids to receive a message of unconditional love and acceptance, but when they do something like hitting their sibling and we respond: "Why would you DO that?!", or handle them roughly, or even spank them, that the message they are receiving may not be one of unconditional love and acceptance.

&nbsp;

Parent Jody joined the Parenting Membership and in the moments when he was able to stay regulated, the new tools helped him to navigate his kids' behavior more effectively. But when he got triggered by something like sibling hitting (because seeing a child get hit is triggering when you were hit as a child), then he would default back to what he called "autopilot parenting," and he would yell at his kids, shame them, and spank them - just like his parents had done to him.

&nbsp;

So he signed up for the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Taming Your Triggers workshop</a>, and in just a few weeks, Jody started to share his 'wins.'

&nbsp;

🚗 There was the time he was able to create a pause when his kids started fighting in the back seat instead of exploding at them.

&nbsp;

🛁 He was able to identify his needs, and his children's needs when they were throwing water out of the bath all over the floor, and find a strategy that met both of their needs.

&nbsp;

🧸 And then there was the time when his son had smuggled four of his bedtime toys under his school uniform to the car, and Jody immediately saw that his wife was having a hard time because she didn't want the toys to be dirty, and she also didn't want the bedtime shit-show that was going to happen if the toys were still in the wash.

&nbsp;

His initial attempt to help his wife fell flat, and she angrily said: <em>"Don't talk to me like a child!"</em>. He regrouped, and the phrase he used to defuse the situation deeply touched many of us in the Taming Your Triggers community when he shared it with us. He found a way to meet THREE people's needs in that situation, and was justifiably proud of himself. 🎉

&nbsp;

If you want your kids to experience unconditional love and acceptance but you don't know how to make that happen in the difficult moments, I'd so love to work with you in the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

&nbsp;

I know it's risky to put yourself out there and admit that you're having a hard time.

&nbsp;

There's always the concern that these tools might work for Jody, and still not work for you - you might have some failing that means you can't use the tools, even if they work for other parents.

&nbsp;

You might also worry that the tools won't work for your neurodivergent/sensitive/etc. kid.

&nbsp;

I totally get those concerns. And...at the end of the day, we're all people - and all people have needs. I can help you heal from the hurts you've experienced and get your needs met more of the time, and then you'll feel triggered less often. I'm so confident about this that I guarantee it - if you aren't happy with your experience in the workshop for any reason, at any time, we'll give you 100% of your money back. (Plus we have multiple pricing options to make it affordable in the first place).

&nbsp;

🎁 And as an extra bonus for you: Jody will be a peer coach in the Taming Your Triggers workshop this time around - because sometimes the person you learn from most effectively is the person who was standing where you are right now just a year ago.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:45  Introducing today’s guest

01:28. Jody shifted from "Always tired" to "Actively seeking rest" after years of exhaustion from raising four kids and realizing the need to prioritize rest.

02:52. Jody realized his strict upbringing influenced his parenting, but the Your Parenting Mojo podcast helped him recognize the need for change.

05:38. Jody joined the Parenting Membership seeking easier parenting solutions, but after struggling with triggers and reverting to old habits, he realized he needed Taming Your Triggers to better manage his own emotions.

09:22  Jody describes a breakthrough from the Taming Your Triggers course, where he learned to pause during a tense moment with his kids, choosing calm over impulsive reaction.

23:47. Jody views parenting as part of his identity, not a job, allowing him to connect with his kids while fulfilling his own needs.30:00 Jody appreciated the AccountaBuddy process for its non-judgmental space to discuss parenting challenges, which fostered connection and emotional relief.

33:38. Jody describes how the <em>Taming Your Triggers</em> workshop enabled him to shift from seeking forgiveness to accepting his parents as they are, leading to a more peaceful family dynamic during a visit.

44:59. Jody shares three simple practices for managing triggers.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Learn ways how to overcome parenting triggers</h1>
I know it can be really (really) difficult to bridge the gap between being the kind of parent we want to be, and the kind of parent we're able to be in the moments when our kids do things we find difficult.

&nbsp;

We might know that we want our kids to receive a message of unconditional love and acceptance, but when they do something like hitting their sibling and we respond: "Why would you DO that?!", or handle them roughly, or even spank them, that the message they are receiving may not be one of unconditional love and acceptance.

&nbsp;

Parent Jody joined the Parenting Membership and in the moments when he was able to stay regulated, the new tools helped him to navigate his kids' behavior more effectively. But when he got triggered by something like sibling hitting (because seeing a child get hit is triggering when you were hit as a child), then he would default back to what he called "autopilot parenting," and he would yell at his kids, shame them, and spank them - just like his parents had done to him.

&nbsp;

So he signed up for the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Taming Your Triggers workshop</a>, and in just a few weeks, Jody started to share his 'wins.'

&nbsp;

🚗 There was the time he was able to create a pause when his kids started fighting in the back seat instead of exploding at them.

&nbsp;

🛁 He was able to identify his needs, and his children's needs when they were throwing water out of the bath all over the floor, and find a strategy that met both of their needs.

&nbsp;

🧸 And then there was the time when his son had smuggled four of his bedtime toys under his school uniform to the car, and Jody immediately saw that his wife was having a hard time because she didn't want the toys to be dirty, and she also didn't want the bedtime shit-show that was going to happen if the toys were still in the wash.

&nbsp;

His initial attempt to help his wife fell flat, and she angrily said: <em>"Don't talk to me like a child!"</em>. He regrouped, and the phrase he used to defuse the situation deeply touched many of us in the Taming Your Triggers community when he shared it with us. He found a way to meet THREE people's needs in that situation, and was justifiably proud of himself. 🎉

&nbsp;

If you want your kids to experience unconditional love and acceptance but you don't know how to make that happen in the difficult moments, I'd so love to work with you in the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

&nbsp;

I know it's risky to put yourself out there and admit that you're having a hard time.

&nbsp;

There's always the concern that these tools might work for Jody, and still not work for you - you might have some failing that means you can't use the tools, even if they work for other parents.

&nbsp;

You might also worry that the tools won't work for your neurodivergent/sensitive/etc. kid.

&nbsp;

I totally get those concerns. And...at the end of the day, we're all people - and all people have needs. I can help you heal from the hurts you've experienced and get your needs met more of the time, and then you'll feel triggered less often. I'm so confident about this that I guarantee it - if you aren't happy with your experience in the workshop for any reason, at any time, we'll give you 100% of your money back. (Plus we have multiple pricing options to make it affordable in the first place).

&nbsp;

🎁 And as an extra bonus for you: Jody will be a peer coach in the Taming Your Triggers workshop this time around - because sometimes the person you learn from most effectively is the person who was standing where you are right now just a year ago.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:45  Introducing today’s guest

01:28. Jody shifted from "Always tired" to "Actively seeking rest" after years of exhaustion from raising four kids and realizing the need to prioritize rest.

02:52. Jody realized his strict upbringing influenced his parenting, but the Your Parenting Mojo podcast helped him recognize the need for change.

05:38. Jody joined the Parenting Membership seeking easier parenting solutions, but after struggling with triggers and reverting to old habits, he realized he needed Taming Your Triggers to better manage his own emotions.

09:22  Jody describes a breakthrough from the Taming Your Triggers course, where he learned to pause during a tense moment with his kids, choosing calm over impulsive reaction.

23:47. Jody views parenting as part of his identity, not a job, allowing him to connect with his kids while fulfilling his own needs.30:00 Jody appreciated the AccountaBuddy process for its non-judgmental space to discuss parenting challenges, which fostered connection and emotional relief.

33:38. Jody describes how the <em>Taming Your Triggers</em> workshop enabled him to shift from seeking forgiveness to accepting his parents as they are, leading to a more peaceful family dynamic during a visit.

44:59. Jody shares three simple practices for managing triggers.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/stopshaming]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a3a3a9aa-67af-48bf-ae28-8ada2f507c7e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Sep 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a3a3a9aa-67af-48bf-ae28-8ada2f507c7e.mp3" length="71804809" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>225</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>225</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/2e371df3-0d1e-41df-8baa-092f44c9039a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>224: How to heal your Mom Rage</title><itunes:title>224: How to heal your Mom Rage</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Understanding &amp; Overcoming Mom Rage</h1>
There are several books available on mom rage by now.  They tend to follow a predictable formula: a journalist interviews a bunch of parents and makes sweeping pronouncements about how anger-inducing it is to be a Mom, interspersed with anecdotes about terrible things they’ve said and done to their children.

&nbsp;

They usually end with a call for free childcare, universal parental leave, and more support for Moms’ mental health.  (Yes to all of those things, obviously.)

&nbsp;

There are far fewer books that try to make connections between our experiences and <em>why</em> it’s happening, and that actually make practical suggestions for concrete practices we can try to cope with our rage more effectively right now - along with a sense of hope that we could actually make these policy changes happen in our lifetimes.

&nbsp;

Minna Dubin’s book Mom Rage (which I found out about because our local Berkeley newspaper covered both of our books when they were published!) does all of those things.

&nbsp;

I read it and liked it and started recommending it when relevant topics came up on coaching calls in the Parenting Membership, and parent Katie fell in love with it.

&nbsp;

Katie didn’t even think the term ‘mom rage’ applied to her - but when she read the descriptions of raging moms, she found herself (mentally) shouting: “YES!  That’s ME!”.

&nbsp;

I’m so grateful that both Minna and Katie could join me for this deep conversation on where Mom Rage comes from, and what we can do about it.

&nbsp;

We’ll do some shame-busting work together so you can know that you aren’t alone in experiencing rage, and that you don’t have to be alone in addressing it either.

&nbsp;

If you experience Mom Rage and know you need help, I’d love to see you in the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

&nbsp;

Here’s what previous participants have said about doing this work with me:

&nbsp;

<em>Now I have a plan and support structure, and I've learned really helpful tools to change the way I talk with my children in these difficult moments.                                    - M.M.</em>

&nbsp;

<em>The workshop gave me very clear steps to take toward being the mother I aspire to be by helping me heal my own hurt.                                                                                               - K.D.</em>

&nbsp;

<em>I have seen here some shifts thankfully in the slowing down and welcoming the feelings of all people...and figuring out a way to kind of move through the conflict together instead of this is the way we're going to do it.                                                                                                                                                    - Liann</em>

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Minna Dubin's Book (Affiliate Link)</h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3AFhYTv" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mom Rage: The Everyday Crisis of Modern Motherhood</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:52. Introducing today’s episode and featured guests

03:19. The "PR team" represents societal expectations of motherhood, pressuring mothers to meet unrealistic standards alone.

13:59. Society's pressures and high expectations for mothers can lead to feelings of anger and unworthiness.

22:07 Mothers frequently feel isolated and overwhelmed as they prioritize their children's needs over their own, which can result in feelings of anger and frustration.

32:52 Motherhood brings big changes and societal pressures, making support from other moms essential.

39:32 We tend to judge ourselves and other parents, but noticing this can help us be kinder, since everyone is dealing with their own struggles.

44:11 It's important for moms to talk openly about their moments of rage to feel less shame and more support

55:04 It’s important for parents to identify their triggers and communicate openly with partners about differences in parenting decisions while building supportive networks to navigate societal pressures.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bakermans‐Kranenburg, M. J., Lotz, A., Alyousefi‐van Dijk, K., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. (2019). Birth of a father: Fathering in the first 1,000 days. <em>Child Development Perspectives</em>, <em>13</em>(4), 247-253.

<hr />

Burgard, S.A. (2011). The needs of others: Gender and sleep interruptions for caregivers. Social Forces 89(4), 1189-1216.

<hr />

Chemaly, S. (2018). Rage becomes her: The power of women’s anger. New York: Atria.

<hr />

Horrell, N. D., Acosta, M. C., &amp; Saltzman, W. (2021). Plasticity of the paternal brain: Effects of fatherhood on neural structure and function. <em>Developmental psychobiology</em>, <em>63</em>(5), 1499-1520.

<hr />

Kessler, R.C. et al. (2005). Lifetime prevalence and age-of-onset distributions of DSM-IV disorders in the National Comorbidity Survey Replication. Archives of General Psychiatry 62(6), 617-627.

<hr />

Krizan, Z. &amp; Hisler, G. (2019). Sleepy anger: Restricted sleep amplifies angry feelings. Journal of Experimental Psychology: General 148(7)1239-1250.

<hr />

Ou, C.H.K, &amp; Hall, W.A. (2017). Anger in the context of postnatal depression: An integrative review. Birth 45, 336-346.

<hr />

Ou, C.H.K., Hall, W.A., Rodney, P., &amp; Stremler, R. (2022). Correlates of Canadian mothers’ anger during the postpartum period: A cross-sectional survey. BMC Pregnancy and Childbirth 22: 163.

<hr />

Paternina-Die, M., Martínez-García, M., Pretus, C., Hoekzema, E., Barba-Müller, E., Martín de Blas, D., ... &amp; Carmona, S. (2020). The paternal transition entails neuroanatomic adaptations that are associated with the father’s brain response to his infant cues. <em>Cerebral Cortex Communications</em>, <em>1</em>(1), tgaa082.

<hr />

Scharrer, E., Warren, S., Grimshaw, E., Kamau, G., Cho, S., Reijven, M., &amp; Zhang, C. (2021). Disparaged Dads? A content analysis of depictions of fathers in U.S. sitcoms over time. Psychology of Popular Media 10(2), 275-287.

<hr />

Szymanski, D.M. et al. (2009). Internalized misogyny as a moderator of the link between sexist events and women’s psychological distress. Sex Roles 61(102), 101-109.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Understanding &amp; Overcoming Mom Rage</h1>
There are several books available on mom rage by now.  They tend to follow a predictable formula: a journalist interviews a bunch of parents and makes sweeping pronouncements about how anger-inducing it is to be a Mom, interspersed with anecdotes about terrible things they’ve said and done to their children.

&nbsp;

They usually end with a call for free childcare, universal parental leave, and more support for Moms’ mental health.  (Yes to all of those things, obviously.)

&nbsp;

There are far fewer books that try to make connections between our experiences and <em>why</em> it’s happening, and that actually make practical suggestions for concrete practices we can try to cope with our rage more effectively right now - along with a sense of hope that we could actually make these policy changes happen in our lifetimes.

&nbsp;

Minna Dubin’s book Mom Rage (which I found out about because our local Berkeley newspaper covered both of our books when they were published!) does all of those things.

&nbsp;

I read it and liked it and started recommending it when relevant topics came up on coaching calls in the Parenting Membership, and parent Katie fell in love with it.

&nbsp;

Katie didn’t even think the term ‘mom rage’ applied to her - but when she read the descriptions of raging moms, she found herself (mentally) shouting: “YES!  That’s ME!”.

&nbsp;

I’m so grateful that both Minna and Katie could join me for this deep conversation on where Mom Rage comes from, and what we can do about it.

&nbsp;

We’ll do some shame-busting work together so you can know that you aren’t alone in experiencing rage, and that you don’t have to be alone in addressing it either.

&nbsp;

If you experience Mom Rage and know you need help, I’d love to see you in the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

&nbsp;

Here’s what previous participants have said about doing this work with me:

&nbsp;

<em>Now I have a plan and support structure, and I've learned really helpful tools to change the way I talk with my children in these difficult moments.                                    - M.M.</em>

&nbsp;

<em>The workshop gave me very clear steps to take toward being the mother I aspire to be by helping me heal my own hurt.                                                                                               - K.D.</em>

&nbsp;

<em>I have seen here some shifts thankfully in the slowing down and welcoming the feelings of all people...and figuring out a way to kind of move through the conflict together instead of this is the way we're going to do it.                                                                                                                                                    - Liann</em>

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Minna Dubin's Book (Affiliate Link)</h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3AFhYTv" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mom Rage: The Everyday Crisis of Modern Motherhood</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:52. Introducing today’s episode and featured guests

03:19. The "PR team" represents societal expectations of motherhood, pressuring mothers to meet unrealistic standards alone.

13:59. Society's pressures and high expectations for mothers can lead to feelings of anger and unworthiness.

22:07 Mothers frequently feel isolated and overwhelmed as they prioritize their children's needs over their own, which can result in feelings of anger and frustration.

32:52 Motherhood brings big changes and societal pressures, making support from other moms essential.

39:32 We tend to judge ourselves and other parents, but noticing this can help us be kinder, since everyone is dealing with their own struggles.

44:11 It's important for moms to talk openly about their moments of rage to feel less shame and more support

55:04 It’s important for parents to identify their triggers and communicate openly with partners about differences in parenting decisions while building supportive networks to navigate societal pressures.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bakermans‐Kranenburg, M. J., Lotz, A., Alyousefi‐van Dijk, K., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. (2019). Birth of a father: Fathering in the first 1,000 days. <em>Child Development Perspectives</em>, <em>13</em>(4), 247-253.

<hr />

Burgard, S.A. (2011). The needs of others: Gender and sleep interruptions for caregivers. Social Forces 89(4), 1189-1216.

<hr />

Chemaly, S. (2018). Rage becomes her: The power of women’s anger. New York: Atria.

<hr />

Horrell, N. D., Acosta, M. C., &amp; Saltzman, W. (2021). Plasticity of the paternal brain: Effects of fatherhood on neural structure and function. <em>Developmental psychobiology</em>, <em>63</em>(5), 1499-1520.

<hr />

Kessler, R.C. et al. (2005). Lifetime prevalence and age-of-onset distributions of DSM-IV disorders in the National Comorbidity Survey Replication. Archives of General Psychiatry 62(6), 617-627.

<hr />

Krizan, Z. &amp; Hisler, G. (2019). Sleepy anger: Restricted sleep amplifies angry feelings. Journal of Experimental Psychology: General 148(7)1239-1250.

<hr />

Ou, C.H.K, &amp; Hall, W.A. (2017). Anger in the context of postnatal depression: An integrative review. Birth 45, 336-346.

<hr />

Ou, C.H.K., Hall, W.A., Rodney, P., &amp; Stremler, R. (2022). Correlates of Canadian mothers’ anger during the postpartum period: A cross-sectional survey. BMC Pregnancy and Childbirth 22: 163.

<hr />

Paternina-Die, M., Martínez-García, M., Pretus, C., Hoekzema, E., Barba-Müller, E., Martín de Blas, D., ... &amp; Carmona, S. (2020). The paternal transition entails neuroanatomic adaptations that are associated with the father’s brain response to his infant cues. <em>Cerebral Cortex Communications</em>, <em>1</em>(1), tgaa082.

<hr />

Scharrer, E., Warren, S., Grimshaw, E., Kamau, G., Cho, S., Reijven, M., &amp; Zhang, C. (2021). Disparaged Dads? A content analysis of depictions of fathers in U.S. sitcoms over time. Psychology of Popular Media 10(2), 275-287.

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<strong>Am I damaging my child?</strong>

The messages you can leave are limited to two minutes in length, so we get just a taste of what the parent is struggling with: a difficult relationship with their neurodivergent son, because he triggers the parent and then the parent feels triggered again by the guilt and shame that some of the challenges the son is facing might be the parent's fault.

&nbsp;

In this episode I walk though neuropsychologist R. Douglas Fields' LIFEMORTS framework of rage triggers - because if we understand the kinds of things that trigger us, we can avoid some of those triggers entirely and then see the rest of them coming and resource ourselves before they arrive.

&nbsp;

I link these rage triggers with broader social issues that we may be carrying in the backs of our minds without even realizing it, and the energy it takes to constantly manage our thoughts about these issues is energy we don't have to spend meeting our children's needs - or our needs.

&nbsp;

I also offer a set of three steps you can use to help you navigate triggering situations with your children more effectively.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

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Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

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<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">207: How to not be a permissive parent</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/MomRage/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">224: How to heal your Mom Rage (coming up)</a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:58 Introducing today’s topic

01:17 Listener recorded question

02:55 Jen empathizes with the parent's stress and dual triggers of misbehavior and self-judgment, acknowledges potential trauma or neurodivergence, validates their experience.

18:26 Understand your triggers by exploring nine categories (LIFEMORTS): life or limb, insult, family, environment, mate, order in society, resources, tribe, and stopped, as outlined by Dr. R. Douglas Fields.

34:02 Mom rage, deeply intertwined with systemic gender and racial inequalities, reflects broader societal issues and significantly impacts women's health and parenting.

46:06 Intergenerational trauma affects all communities, passing down violence and its impacts through generations.

46:55 Three ways to support parents dealing with their own trauma and its impact on their children.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Today's episode comes from listener who submitted an emotional voicemail on the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/question/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ask Jen a Question</a> button on the Your Parenting Mojo homepage, which boils down to:

&nbsp;

<strong>Am I damaging my child?</strong>

The messages you can leave are limited to two minutes in length, so we get just a taste of what the parent is struggling with: a difficult relationship with their neurodivergent son, because he triggers the parent and then the parent feels triggered again by the guilt and shame that some of the challenges the son is facing might be the parent's fault.

&nbsp;

In this episode I walk though neuropsychologist R. Douglas Fields' LIFEMORTS framework of rage triggers - because if we understand the kinds of things that trigger us, we can avoid some of those triggers entirely and then see the rest of them coming and resource ourselves before they arrive.

&nbsp;

I link these rage triggers with broader social issues that we may be carrying in the backs of our minds without even realizing it, and the energy it takes to constantly manage our thoughts about these issues is energy we don't have to spend meeting our children's needs - or our needs.

&nbsp;

I also offer a set of three steps you can use to help you navigate triggering situations with your children more effectively.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">207: How to not be a permissive parent</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/MomRage/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">224: How to heal your Mom Rage (coming up)</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:58 Introducing today’s topic

01:17 Listener recorded question

02:55 Jen empathizes with the parent's stress and dual triggers of misbehavior and self-judgment, acknowledges potential trauma or neurodivergence, validates their experience.

18:26 Understand your triggers by exploring nine categories (LIFEMORTS): life or limb, insult, family, environment, mate, order in society, resources, tribe, and stopped, as outlined by Dr. R. Douglas Fields.

34:02 Mom rage, deeply intertwined with systemic gender and racial inequalities, reflects broader societal issues and significantly impacts women's health and parenting.

46:06 Intergenerational trauma affects all communities, passing down violence and its impacts through generations.

46:55 Three ways to support parents dealing with their own trauma and its impact on their children.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/amidamagingmychild]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0e097aee-2a0d-4f76-a8fb-c5a42dafe5b9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/0e097aee-2a0d-4f76-a8fb-c5a42dafe5b9.mp3" length="87718537" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:00:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/2ffd82af-4cee-4f8d-9157-4d8e2bda41a9/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>223: What, Why, and How to Parent Beyond Power</title><itunes:title>223: What, Why, and How to Parent Beyond Power</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div data-block-id="block-8a001eb4-f223-4e91-a651-1d4892d307c9">
<h1>What to Do When Parenting Tools Don’t Work?</h1>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">In this episode I address what to do about all of these challenges, as well as how to use the tools I work with to address difficult topics like children wanting ever more snack foods, ever more screen time, and refusing to go to school.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">We hear from parents who have managed to address tricky challenges - including a child with a skin condition who must take a bath daily and who was successfully extending the dinner/running around/reading books process until bedtime was delayed as well. Once the child's parents came to see what needs the child was trying to meet, bath time suddenly wasn't a problem anymore.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">I share some realizations that parents have had about their place in the world as they've engaged with my work and how I plan to shift the ways I talk about these issues moving forward.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">I also invite you to celebrate with my book Parenting Beyond Power's first birthday by baking (or buying) some cupcakes! One of many parents' favorite ideas in the book was the feelings and needs cupcakes, which makes it easy to visualize your most common feelings and needs.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">We've made some flags you can print and use with your children to identify your (and their) feelings and needs. Share them on social media and be invited to a group coaching call with me later in September, and stick them to the fridge as a reminder of how to connect with your kids - and yourself!</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-5ed02de2-a6dd-451b-b11c-eaece14140c5">Finally, a couple of invitations. The <a class="ql-link" href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/rightfromthestart" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Right From The Start course</a>, which I run with Hannah and Kelty of Upbringing, is now available whenever you need it (rather than waiting for the next cohort to begin. If you're expecting a baby or have a child under the age of one, Right From The Start will help you to get clear on your values and goals around raising your child so you can put the systems you need in place before you get to the really tough toddler years.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">Parent Annie said: <span class="body-text"><i>"I am so jealous (but excited for others)... that there is something like this for first time mothers. <b>I wish I had it with my first born as it would have been so helpful for my nerves and anxiety surrounding my new profession of 'child raiser!"</b></i></span></div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">Learn more and sign up - you can also gift the course to to a friend or relative who is expecting or has a baby under the age of one. We have sliding scale pricing and a 100% money back guarantee!</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">And if you're interested in doing explicitly anti-racist, patriarchy-healing, capitalism-busting work with me (which I know isn't for everyone!), I'd love to invite you to join me for the Parenting Beyond Power book club hosted by Moms Against Racism Canada.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">It's a 'book club' in that we'll be working with the ideas in Parenting Beyond Power (we couldn't think of what else to call it...which is also how I ended up with Your Parenting Mojo!), but it's really a set of six 90-minute group coaching calls on Friday evenings where we'll explore how we've been harmed by systems of power, and how we can be in relationship with our children in a way that's aligned with our values.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">If you (and maybe the folks in your community as well?) have been wanting to know more about how to take anti-racist action with your kids but weren't sure how to do it, the book club will help you to do it. If you'd like to invite your crew, we can give you a special link and when five people use it to sign up, your own spot will be free.</div>
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<p style="font-weight: 400"><strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong></p>

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 	<li><a title="179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/ineverthoughtofitthatway/" rel="bookmark">179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu</a></li>
 	<li><a title="207: How to not be a permissive parent" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" rel="bookmark">207: How to not be a permissive parent</a></li>
 	<li><a title="209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/" rel="bookmark">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li>
 	<li><a title="217: How to end the video game struggles" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gamereducator/" rel="bookmark">217: How to end the video game struggles with Ash Brandin</a></li>
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<h1>What to Do When Parenting Tools Don’t Work?</h1>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-8a001eb4-f223-4e91-a651-1d4892d307c9">I know that when you start using new parenting tools, things don't always go according to plan. Your kids don't say what you think they will, or maybe you perceive that their behavior is just kind of crappy, or maybe your partner isn't on board with your ideas.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">In this episode I address what to do about all of these challenges, as well as how to use the tools I work with to address difficult topics like children wanting ever more snack foods, ever more screen time, and refusing to go to school.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">We hear from parents who have managed to address tricky challenges - including a child with a skin condition who must take a bath daily and who was successfully extending the dinner/running around/reading books process until bedtime was delayed as well. Once the child's parents came to see what needs the child was trying to meet, bath time suddenly wasn't a problem anymore.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b37e97fb-f429-4dfd-b620-94618b17a9b1">
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">I share some realizations that parents have had about their place in the world as they've engaged with my work and how I plan to shift the ways I talk about these issues moving forward.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">I also invite you to celebrate with my book Parenting Beyond Power's first birthday by baking (or buying) some cupcakes! One of many parents' favorite ideas in the book was the feelings and needs cupcakes, which makes it easy to visualize your most common feelings and needs.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">We've made some flags you can print and use with your children to identify your (and their) feelings and needs. Share them on social media and be invited to a group coaching call with me later in September, and stick them to the fridge as a reminder of how to connect with your kids - and yourself!</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">Parent Annie said: <span class="body-text"><i>"I am so jealous (but excited for others)... that there is something like this for first time mothers. <b>I wish I had it with my first born as it would have been so helpful for my nerves and anxiety surrounding my new profession of 'child raiser!"</b></i></span></div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">And if you're interested in doing explicitly anti-racist, patriarchy-healing, capitalism-busting work with me (which I know isn't for everyone!), I'd love to invite you to join me for the Parenting Beyond Power book club hosted by Moms Against Racism Canada.</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">It's a 'book club' in that we'll be working with the ideas in Parenting Beyond Power (we couldn't think of what else to call it...which is also how I ended up with Your Parenting Mojo!), but it's really a set of six 90-minute group coaching calls on Friday evenings where we'll explore how we've been harmed by systems of power, and how we can be in relationship with our children in a way that's aligned with our values.</div>
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<p style="font-weight: 400"><strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong></p>

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 	<li><a title="179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/ineverthoughtofitthatway/" rel="bookmark">179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu</a></li>
 	<li><a title="207: How to not be a permissive parent" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" rel="bookmark">207: How to not be a permissive parent</a></li>
 	<li><a title="209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/" rel="bookmark">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li>
 	<li><a title="217: How to end the video game struggles" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gamereducator/" rel="bookmark">217: How to end the video game struggles with Ash Brandin</a></li>
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<span style="font-weight: 400">01:37</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Introducing today’s episode</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:21</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Parenting Beyond Power challenges traditional parenting by connecting social justice issues like White supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism to parenting methods, advocating for tools that promote equality and understanding.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">17:17</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The book shows how conscious and compassionate parenting can reshape family interactions and influence broader societal change.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">28:49</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The book helps readers tackle judgmental parenting habits, fostering more compassionate and understanding relationships with their children.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">34:26</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Some readers find it harder to change communication patterns with their partners than with their children; they struggle with deep-rooted patterns and differing strategies when handling tough situations.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">44:45</span> <i><span style="font-weight: 400">Parenting Beyond Power</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> helps parents understand and address their child's resistance by focusing on meeting both the child's and their own needs.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">52:04</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Wrapping up with two options for further support: on-demand Right From The Start course for new parents and Parenting Beyond Power book club with coaching on social issues in parenting</span>

</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/bookbirthday]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c29f80b2-563e-48b8-a46b-34e69f67986a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ca97e6c1-6923-4e69-bc70-331274892f48/223-audio-edited.mp3" length="83645942" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:01</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>223</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>223</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/648b052f-2583-4a4f-a43a-5169dee60dc9/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>222: How to cultivate Menstrual Cycle Awareness with The Red School</title><itunes:title>222: How to cultivate Menstrual Cycle Awareness with The Red School</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>Understanding Menstrual Cycle Awareness</h2>
This episode was...unplanned. :-) A couple of months ago I interviewed Dr. Louise Newson on the topic of <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/menopause" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">menopause</a>. Dr. Newson is a medical doctor and focused very heavily on Hormone Replacement Therapy as a treatment that everyone who menstruates should at least consider, and I knew I wanted to do an episode with someone who doesn't hold that belief as well.

&nbsp;

I found Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer of The Red School, and really appreciated their book Wise Power. As I usually do before recording an interview I read their other co-authored book Wild Power, and I realized there was a 'missing' episode on the topic of Menstrual Cycle Awareness. We can't really talk about being aware of the changes that are happening to our bodies during menopause if we don't know what has happened to our bodies throughout our menstruating years.

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When I read Wild Power I felt a deep sense of sadness that I was just discovering this now, as my own years of menstruation wind down - but also a deep sense of hope that I can help Carys develop a much closer relationship with her own body than I had with mine.

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<h3>We'll answer questions like:</h3>
<ul>
 	<li>What phases does my body go through each month?</li>
 	<li>How can I start becoming more aware of these phases through Menstrual Cycle Awareness?</li>
 	<li>How can I align my activities with my energy levels, creativity, and arousal - even in the real world, which wants me to go-go-go all the time?</li>
 	<li>How is my inner critic aligned with my cycle, and how can I use its knowledge to help me?</li>
 	<li>How can I navigate Menstrual Cycle Awareness if I've had a difficult relationship with my periods and with fertility?</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>I'd encourage you to listen to this episode if:</h3>
<ul>
 	<li>You menstruate and want to better understand how menstruation affects your life</li>
 	<li>You're raising a child who will menstruate and want to prepare them to feel 'at home' in their bodies</li>
 	<li>You love someone who menstruates and want to be better attuned to them</li>
 	<li>You're raising a child who will never menstruate, but you want them to appreciate menstruation and know how to effectively support people who menstruate.</li>
</ul><br/>
In other words, <em>everyone</em> will get something out of this episode!

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&nbsp;
<h3>Alexandra and Sjanie’s books (Affiliate Links):</h3>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://amzn.to/461o4sQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wild power: Discover the magic of your menstrual cycle and awaken the feminine path to power</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WvQ3hv" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wise power: Discover the liberating power of menopause to awaken authority, purpose and belonging</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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00:46 Introducing today’s topic and featured guests

03:39 Menstruation is the monthly process where the body sheds the lining of the uterus, and it also brings emotional, psychological, and even spiritual changes.

17:18 Menstrual cycle awareness is about understanding and respecting our natural rhythms, which can improve our well-being and productivity by honoring the need for rest and reflection in our lives.

31:20 Recognizing and respecting your menstrual cycle can improve your well-being by allowing you to adjust your activities and manage your energy more effectively.

40:10 The inner critic gets stronger during the pre-menstrual phase of the menstrual cycle. Knowing this can help you take better care of yourself and manage parenting challenges.

53:09 Menstrual cycle awareness can help with personal healing and self-care, even for those who face challenges like heavy periods or grief, by fostering connection with one's own body and experiences.

58:52 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Alfonseca, K., &amp; Guilfoil, K. (2022, July 19). Should people of all genders be taught sex education together? Educators weigh in. ABC News. Retrieved from: <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/people-genders-taught-sex-education-educators-weigh/story?id=87021246" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://abcnews.go.com/US/people-genders-taught-sex-education-educators-weigh/story?id=87021246</a>

<hr />

Andrews, S. (n.d.). Should schools separate sex ed classes by gender? NextGenMen. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nextgenmen.ca/blog/should-schools-separate-sex-ed-classes-by-gender" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nextgenmen.ca/blog/should-schools-separate-sex-ed-classes-by-gender</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Understanding Menstrual Cycle Awareness</h2>
This episode was...unplanned. :-) A couple of months ago I interviewed Dr. Louise Newson on the topic of <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/menopause" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">menopause</a>. Dr. Newson is a medical doctor and focused very heavily on Hormone Replacement Therapy as a treatment that everyone who menstruates should at least consider, and I knew I wanted to do an episode with someone who doesn't hold that belief as well.

&nbsp;

I found Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer of The Red School, and really appreciated their book Wise Power. As I usually do before recording an interview I read their other co-authored book Wild Power, and I realized there was a 'missing' episode on the topic of Menstrual Cycle Awareness. We can't really talk about being aware of the changes that are happening to our bodies during menopause if we don't know what has happened to our bodies throughout our menstruating years.

&nbsp;

When I read Wild Power I felt a deep sense of sadness that I was just discovering this now, as my own years of menstruation wind down - but also a deep sense of hope that I can help Carys develop a much closer relationship with her own body than I had with mine.

&nbsp;
<h3>We'll answer questions like:</h3>
<ul>
 	<li>What phases does my body go through each month?</li>
 	<li>How can I start becoming more aware of these phases through Menstrual Cycle Awareness?</li>
 	<li>How can I align my activities with my energy levels, creativity, and arousal - even in the real world, which wants me to go-go-go all the time?</li>
 	<li>How is my inner critic aligned with my cycle, and how can I use its knowledge to help me?</li>
 	<li>How can I navigate Menstrual Cycle Awareness if I've had a difficult relationship with my periods and with fertility?</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>I'd encourage you to listen to this episode if:</h3>
<ul>
 	<li>You menstruate and want to better understand how menstruation affects your life</li>
 	<li>You're raising a child who will menstruate and want to prepare them to feel 'at home' in their bodies</li>
 	<li>You love someone who menstruates and want to be better attuned to them</li>
 	<li>You're raising a child who will never menstruate, but you want them to appreciate menstruation and know how to effectively support people who menstruate.</li>
</ul><br/>
In other words, <em>everyone</em> will get something out of this episode!

&nbsp;
<h3 data-block-id="block-3084830e-08f4-4e86-9556-9ff203fca750">Learning Membership</h3>
<h3></h3>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b37e97fb-f429-4dfd-b620-94618b17a9b1">
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">The Learning Membership will open again soon!  The membership helps you to support your child’s intrinsic love of learning, while also equipping them with the skills they’ll need to succeed in the age of AI.</div>
</div>
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</div>
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d0fd3a2-5d9b-49f9-a638-201a608922f0">If you already know you’re in, you can sign up for the Learning Membership. Click the banner to learn more!</div>
</div>
</div>
<h3></h3>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Alexandra and Sjanie’s books (Affiliate Links):</h3>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://amzn.to/461o4sQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wild power: Discover the magic of your menstrual cycle and awaken the feminine path to power</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WvQ3hv" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wise power: Discover the liberating power of menopause to awaken authority, purpose and belonging</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:46 Introducing today’s topic and featured guests

03:39 Menstruation is the monthly process where the body sheds the lining of the uterus, and it also brings emotional, psychological, and even spiritual changes.

17:18 Menstrual cycle awareness is about understanding and respecting our natural rhythms, which can improve our well-being and productivity by honoring the need for rest and reflection in our lives.

31:20 Recognizing and respecting your menstrual cycle can improve your well-being by allowing you to adjust your activities and manage your energy more effectively.

40:10 The inner critic gets stronger during the pre-menstrual phase of the menstrual cycle. Knowing this can help you take better care of yourself and manage parenting challenges.

53:09 Menstrual cycle awareness can help with personal healing and self-care, even for those who face challenges like heavy periods or grief, by fostering connection with one's own body and experiences.

58:52 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Alfonseca, K., &amp; Guilfoil, K. (2022, July 19). Should people of all genders be taught sex education together? Educators weigh in. ABC News. Retrieved from: <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/people-genders-taught-sex-education-educators-weigh/story?id=87021246" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://abcnews.go.com/US/people-genders-taught-sex-education-educators-weigh/story?id=87021246</a>

<hr />

Andrews, S. (n.d.). Should schools separate sex ed classes by gender? NextGenMen. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nextgenmen.ca/blog/should-schools-separate-sex-ed-classes-by-gender" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nextgenmen.ca/blog/should-schools-separate-sex-ed-classes-by-gender</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/mca]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b28f71bf-eabf-4464-a36f-123f33cc5de5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b28f71bf-eabf-4464-a36f-123f33cc5de5.mp3" length="91160713" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>222</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>222</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/3ef8f60f-84f5-4713-b937-213803c221da/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>221: How to advocate for the schools our children deserve with Allyson Criner Brown &amp; Cassie Gardener Manjikian</title><itunes:title>221: How to advocate for the schools our children deserve</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>How to advocate for the schools our children deserve</h1>
How comfortable do you feel speaking up about something your child’s school needs?

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Have you noticed that some parents seem to feel more comfortable speaking up than others?

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Have you ever noticed that sometimes rules and policies in school don’t seem to be applied evenly to all students, while squeaky wheels who raise issues that concern them and their children tend to get addressed?

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If you have, and you’d like to understand more about what you’re seeing and know what to do about it, then this episode is for you.

&nbsp;

My guest for this episode is Allyson Criner Brown, an award-winning equity practitioner, trainer, and scholar who has worked at the intersections of pre-K-12 education, family, and community engagement, environmental justice, and local government.

&nbsp;

I also have a co-interviewer joining me, parent Cassie Gardener Manjikian, who asked for this episode after she noticed that the everyday actions she was seeing in her school weren’t matching up with the school’s (and district’s) own goals and plans.

&nbsp;
<h2>In the episode, we answer questions like:</h2>
<ul><li>What are the valuable ways that parents contribute to their children’s learning, even if they never volunteer in the classroom?</li><li>What kinds of social challenges happen in schools, and how do these affect our kids?</li><li>How can I advocate for changes if the Principal doesn’t seem interested?</li><li>What kinds of tools can we use with teachers and parents if people are on board with doing things differently but just don’t know what to do or how to do it?</li><li>If I’m the kind of parent who is never going to join the PTA, what role can I play?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

We all have an important role to play in creating the schools our children deserve - this episode will help you to find yours.

&nbsp;
<h3>Books mentioned in this episode (affiliate links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4dsk5sk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Engagement for Equitable Outcomes,</a>by Allyson Criner Brown</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3yOyqA8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Social Change Now: A Guide for Reflection and Connection</a>, by Deepa Iyer</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: </span><b>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</b><span style="font-weight: 400">.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Just like Laura discovered, learning happens everywhere - in everyday conversations, through helping with household tasks, during visits to museums, and in those spontaneous moments when your child asks "why?".</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.</span>

&nbsp;

The <b><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></b><span style="font-weight: 400"> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">You'll discover how to:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Click the banner to learn more.</span>

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introducing today’s episode and featured guests

05:33 Allyson Criner Brown discusses her work in equity, explaining that equity is about fairness and addressing needs, while advocacy involves pushing for better schools for all children.

12:15 Parents contribute to their child's education in many ways beyond traditional school involvement, from daily routines to building self-esteem.

16:36 Parents might seem less involved in education due to systemic barriers, cultural differences, and personal challenges like work schedules or transportation.

24:37 Key challenges to building school communities include inadequate funding, unclear school systems, and systemic barriers. Effective engagement needs proper resources, clear communication, and active advocacy.

29:28 School funding disparities often arise from reliance on local property taxes, creating inequities based on neighborhood wealth and race.

38:41 To drive school change, start by gathering information, connecting with others, and leveraging your strengths.

43:52 For advancing family engagement in schools, consider using resources like parent-principal chat guides and publications that challenge assumptions.

52:46 When policies aren't matching practice, take strategic, actionable steps. Persist and engage with the community to address gaps and leverage existing strengths.

01:01:43 Allyson suggests practices for supporting educational equity, including building connections, understanding school systems, taking action, and engaging in anti-racist efforts.

01:07:39 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>
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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Criner Brown, A. (2019). Engaging and embracing Black parents. In Delpit, L.: Teaching When The World Is On Fire. New York: The New Press.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Dauber, S.L., &amp; Epstein, J.L. (1989). Parent attitudes and practices of parent involvement in inner-city elementary and middle schools. Center for Research on Elementary and Middle Schools. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED314152">https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED314152</a></p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Egalite, A.J. (2024). What we know about teacher race and student outcomes: A review of the evidence to date. Education Next 24(1), 42-49.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Epstein, J.L. (1986). Parents' reactions to teacher practices of parent involvement. The Elementary School Journal 86(3), 277-294.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. Journal of Education 167(1), 9-36.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">hooks, B. (1994). Teaching to transgress: Education as the practice of freedom. New York: Routledge.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">hooks, B. (2003). Teaching community: A pedagogy of hope. New York: Routledge.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Irby, D.J. (2021). Stuck improving: Racial equity and school leadership. Cambridge: Harvard Education Press.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Jazynka, K. (2018, March 19). Parents raise massive amounts of money at some public schools. Should they share it? The Washington Post. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/parents-raise-massive-amounts-of-money-at-some-public-schools-should-they-share-it/2018/03/16/e3a53eb0-1650-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html">https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/parents-raise-massive-amounts-of-money-at-some-public-schools-should-they-share-it/2018/03/16/e3a53eb0-1650-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html</a></p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Kelty, N.E., &amp; Wakabayashi, T. (2020). Family engagement in schools: Parent, educator, and community perspectives. SAGE Open October-December 2020, 1-13.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">KQED News Staff (2014, February 15). Photo essay: Two PTA presidents, two realities. Author. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://www.kqed.org/news/126468/photo-essay-inequality-in-san-francisco-public-schools">https://www.kqed.org/news/126468/photo-essay-inequality-in-san-francisco-public-schools</a></p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Noddings, N. (2005). The challenge to care in schools: An alternative approach to education (2nd Ed). New York: Teachers College Press.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Sanacore, J. (2004). Genuine caring and literacy learning for African American children. The...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>How to advocate for the schools our children deserve</h1>
How comfortable do you feel speaking up about something your child’s school needs?

&nbsp;

Have you noticed that some parents seem to feel more comfortable speaking up than others?

&nbsp;

Have you ever noticed that sometimes rules and policies in school don’t seem to be applied evenly to all students, while squeaky wheels who raise issues that concern them and their children tend to get addressed?

&nbsp;

If you have, and you’d like to understand more about what you’re seeing and know what to do about it, then this episode is for you.

&nbsp;

My guest for this episode is Allyson Criner Brown, an award-winning equity practitioner, trainer, and scholar who has worked at the intersections of pre-K-12 education, family, and community engagement, environmental justice, and local government.

&nbsp;

I also have a co-interviewer joining me, parent Cassie Gardener Manjikian, who asked for this episode after she noticed that the everyday actions she was seeing in her school weren’t matching up with the school’s (and district’s) own goals and plans.

&nbsp;
<h2>In the episode, we answer questions like:</h2>
<ul><li>What are the valuable ways that parents contribute to their children’s learning, even if they never volunteer in the classroom?</li><li>What kinds of social challenges happen in schools, and how do these affect our kids?</li><li>How can I advocate for changes if the Principal doesn’t seem interested?</li><li>What kinds of tools can we use with teachers and parents if people are on board with doing things differently but just don’t know what to do or how to do it?</li><li>If I’m the kind of parent who is never going to join the PTA, what role can I play?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

We all have an important role to play in creating the schools our children deserve - this episode will help you to find yours.

&nbsp;
<h3>Books mentioned in this episode (affiliate links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4dsk5sk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Engagement for Equitable Outcomes,</a>by Allyson Criner Brown</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3yOyqA8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Social Change Now: A Guide for Reflection and Connection</a>, by Deepa Iyer</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: </span><b>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</b><span style="font-weight: 400">.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Just like Laura discovered, learning happens everywhere - in everyday conversations, through helping with household tasks, during visits to museums, and in those spontaneous moments when your child asks "why?".</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.</span>

&nbsp;

The <b><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></b><span style="font-weight: 400"> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">You'll discover how to:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Click the banner to learn more.</span>

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introducing today’s episode and featured guests

05:33 Allyson Criner Brown discusses her work in equity, explaining that equity is about fairness and addressing needs, while advocacy involves pushing for better schools for all children.

12:15 Parents contribute to their child's education in many ways beyond traditional school involvement, from daily routines to building self-esteem.

16:36 Parents might seem less involved in education due to systemic barriers, cultural differences, and personal challenges like work schedules or transportation.

24:37 Key challenges to building school communities include inadequate funding, unclear school systems, and systemic barriers. Effective engagement needs proper resources, clear communication, and active advocacy.

29:28 School funding disparities often arise from reliance on local property taxes, creating inequities based on neighborhood wealth and race.

38:41 To drive school change, start by gathering information, connecting with others, and leveraging your strengths.

43:52 For advancing family engagement in schools, consider using resources like parent-principal chat guides and publications that challenge assumptions.

52:46 When policies aren't matching practice, take strategic, actionable steps. Persist and engage with the community to address gaps and leverage existing strengths.

01:01:43 Allyson suggests practices for supporting educational equity, including building connections, understanding school systems, taking action, and engaging in anti-racist efforts.

01:07:39 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>
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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Criner Brown, A. (2019). Engaging and embracing Black parents. In Delpit, L.: Teaching When The World Is On Fire. New York: The New Press.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Dauber, S.L., &amp; Epstein, J.L. (1989). Parent attitudes and practices of parent involvement in inner-city elementary and middle schools. Center for Research on Elementary and Middle Schools. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED314152">https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED314152</a></p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Egalite, A.J. (2024). What we know about teacher race and student outcomes: A review of the evidence to date. Education Next 24(1), 42-49.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Epstein, J.L. (1986). Parents' reactions to teacher practices of parent involvement. The Elementary School Journal 86(3), 277-294.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. Journal of Education 167(1), 9-36.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">hooks, B. (1994). Teaching to transgress: Education as the practice of freedom. New York: Routledge.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">hooks, B. (2003). Teaching community: A pedagogy of hope. New York: Routledge.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Irby, D.J. (2021). Stuck improving: Racial equity and school leadership. Cambridge: Harvard Education Press.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Jazynka, K. (2018, March 19). Parents raise massive amounts of money at some public schools. Should they share it? The Washington Post. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/parents-raise-massive-amounts-of-money-at-some-public-schools-should-they-share-it/2018/03/16/e3a53eb0-1650-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html">https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/parents-raise-massive-amounts-of-money-at-some-public-schools-should-they-share-it/2018/03/16/e3a53eb0-1650-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html</a></p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Kelty, N.E., &amp; Wakabayashi, T. (2020). Family engagement in schools: Parent, educator, and community perspectives. SAGE Open October-December 2020, 1-13.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">KQED News Staff (2014, February 15). Photo essay: Two PTA presidents, two realities. Author. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://www.kqed.org/news/126468/photo-essay-inequality-in-san-francisco-public-schools">https://www.kqed.org/news/126468/photo-essay-inequality-in-san-francisco-public-schools</a></p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Noddings, N. (2005). The challenge to care in schools: An alternative approach to education (2nd Ed). New York: Teachers College Press.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Sanacore, J. (2004). Genuine caring and literacy learning for African American children. The reading teacher 57(8), 744-753.</p>


<hr />
<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Smith, T.E., Reinke, W.M., Herman, K.C., &amp; Huang, F. (2019). Understanding family-school engagement across and within elementary and middle-school contexts. School Psychology 34(4), 363.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Tatum, A. (2000). Breaking down barriers that disenfranchise African American adolescent readers in low-level tracks. Journal of Adolescent &amp; Adult Literacy 44(1), 52-64.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Teaching for Change (2016). Between families and schools: Creating meaningful relationships. Author. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://www.teachingforchange.org/educator-resources/parent-organizing/between-families">https://www.teachingforchange.org/educator-resources/parent-organizing/between-families</a></p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Teaching for Change (2017). Parent organization equity and inclusion tool Dos and Don'ts. Author. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://www.teachingforchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Equity-and-Inclusion-Tool-1.pdf">https://www.teachingforchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Equity-and-Inclusion-Tool-1.pdf</a></p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Teaching for Change (2019). Parent-principal chats manual. Author. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://www.teachingforchange.org/educator-resources/parent-organizing/parent-principal-chats">https://www.teachingforchange.org/educator-resources/parent-organizing/parent-principal-chats</a></p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Theoharis, G. (2024). The school leaders our children deserve: Seven keys to equity, social justice, and school reform. New York: Teachers College Press.</p>


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<p class="whitespace-normal break-words">Weese, K. (2018, November 26). Parent-led fundraising makes some schools better but leaves others behind. Slate. Retrieved from: <a class="underline" href="https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/11/parent-teacher-organizations-education-inequality.html">https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/11/parent-teacher-organizations-education-inequality.html</a></p>

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</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/equitableoutcomes]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">07be5384-fdd4-4d8c-85be-bf5574dfb77d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/07be5384-fdd4-4d8c-85be-bf5574dfb77d.mp3" length="70583497" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:13:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>221</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>221</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/e8a6241d-ecc9-4834-8545-c8e80f3ea9c4/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>220: Nutritious movement for your child – and you!</title><itunes:title>220: Nutritious movement for your child – and you!</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1><strong>Why Movement Matters More Than Exercise for Kids</strong></h1>
A few months ago my daughter had a routine checkup at the doctor, who asked how much screen time she gets in a day (which is more than typical recommendations but way less time than children spend sitting in school).

&nbsp;

The doctor told her (but really she told me): “You should get more exercise.”

&nbsp;

Carys isn’t a team sports kind of person.  She doesn’t love hiking, and she only really likes biking when friends are with us.

&nbsp;

Something about the ‘get more exercise’ advice didn’t sit quite right with me, but I couldn’t put my finger on why.

&nbsp;

Then I found Katy Bowman’s work and suddenly it all made sense.

&nbsp;

Katy points out that <em>movement</em> and <em>exercise</em> are not the same thing.

&nbsp;

Even if we aren’t getting enough exercise, what we need far more than exercise is movement.

&nbsp;
<h3>In this episode, we discuss questions like:</h3>
<ul><li>What, exactly, is movement?</li><li>What does it mean for our children to move…and how about us?</li><li>How do we get more of it when our days are already so full?  (I know<em>I</em>thought that, but I’ve found ways to incorporate a daily stretching routine without taking any time away from anything else I do.  We discuss how in the episode!)</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><strong>What children learn through movement</strong></h2>
Our children learn through movement.

&nbsp;

Yes, they learn how to move.

&nbsp;

They also learn what our society thinks about movement, which is likely to set them up for a lifetime of not-moving, unless we support them in doing things differently.

&nbsp;

Finally, they come to understand their bodies better when they move.  They learn how their body signals ‘this feels great’ and ‘this doesn’t feel right.’  They learn to interact with physical things: Dr. Roger Kneebone (no joke!) at Imperial College London has observed that medical students have seemed less comfortable doing delicate tasks with their hands since smartphones became popular.

&nbsp;

In other words, they learn to trust themselves.

&nbsp;

We have a whole module on Full-Bodied Learning in the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Learning Membership</a> where we come to understand much more deeply what children learn with their bodies, and how to help them do it.

&nbsp;

And that’s just one of the 12 topics you’ll cover in your first year, as you become an expert on topics like scaffolding your child’s learning, nurturing critical thinking, and supporting metacognitive learning.

&nbsp;
<h2>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: </span><b>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</b><span style="font-weight: 400">.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Just like Laura discovered, learning happens everywhere - in everyday conversations, through helping with household tasks, during visits to museums, and in those spontaneous moments when your child asks "why?".</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.</span>

&nbsp;

The <b><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></b><span style="font-weight: 400"> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">You'll discover how to:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Click the banner to learn more.</span>

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Katy’s books referenced for this episode (affiliate links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/product/dynamic-aging-simple-exercises-for-whole-body-mobility/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dynamic aging: Simple exercises for whole-body mobility</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/product/grow-wild-the-whole-child-whole-family-nature-rich-guide-to-moving-more-paperback/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Grow wild: The whole-child, whole-family, nature-rich guide to moving more</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/product/movement-matters-essays-on-movement-science-movement-ecology-and-the-nature-of-movement/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Movement Matters: Essays on Movement Science, Movement Ecology, and the Nature of Movement</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Perfect-Movement-Plan-Workbook-ebook/dp/B0CNVX67SL" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">My perfect movement plan: The move your DNA all day workbook</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/permission-to-move/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Move Your DNA Podcast Downloadable Permission to Move signs</a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:54 Introducing today’s topic and featured guest

03:07 Movement is like food for our bodies, keeping them healthy, while exercise is a special type of movement that's planned to help us get stronger.

12:14 Kids learn best when they can move around, not just sit still like in school.

16:42 Incorporate movement into your daily routine by making walks a family event or turning everyday tasks into opportunities for activity.

34:50 Children sit because it's expected. To change this, create spaces that promote movement and actively support their natural activity.

41:17 Instead of focusing on "don'ts," use signs that show where movement is allowed, creating spaces that encourage physical activity and support movement.

42:19 Extracurricular activities should complement a child's overall movement diet, ensuring a mix of structured and unstructured play.

47:06 Outdoor movement aligns with our evolutionary needs, offering natural light and varied physical activities that indoor environments can’t provide.

51:59 If walking isn't possible, adapt with alternatives like biking or using a wheelchair to ensure some form of outdoor, human-powered movement.

53:31 When feeling tired, consider gentle, enjoyable movements like walking, dancing, or outdoor chores. Choose activities that you find meaningful, not just for calorie burning.

57:59 Three practices to try to incorporate more movement into your daily life.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Caspersen, C.J., Powell, K.E., &amp; Christenson, G.M. (1985). Physical activity, exercise, and physical fitness: Definitions and distinctions for health-related research. Public Health Reports 100(2), 126.

<hr />

Hidding, L.M., Altenburg, T.M., Van Ekris, E., &amp; Chinapaw, M.J. (2017). Why do children engage in sedentary behavior? Child- and parent-perceived determinants. International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 14(7), 671.

<hr />

Hollander, K., Elsabe de Villiers, J., Sehner, S., Wegscheider, K., Braumann, K-M., Venter, R., &amp; Zech, A. (2017). Growing up (habitually) barefoot influences the development of foot and arch morphology in children and adolescents. Scientific Reports 7, 8079.

<hr />

Jayanthi, N.A., Post, E.G., Laury, T.C., &amp; Fabricant, P.D. (2019). Health consequences of youth sport specialization. Journal of Athletic Training 54(10), 1040-1049.

<hr />

Kafer, A. (2013). Feminist, queer, crip. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press.

<hr />

Maitland, C., Stratton, G., Foster S., Braham, R., &amp; Rosenberg, M. (2014). The dynamic family home: A qualitative exploration of physical environmental influences on children’s sedentary behavior and physical activity within the home space. International Journal of Behavioral Nutrition and Physical Activity 11, 1-12.

<hr />

Scully, J.L. (2004). What is a disease? EMBO Reports 5(7), 650-653.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1><strong>Why Movement Matters More Than Exercise for Kids</strong></h1>
A few months ago my daughter had a routine checkup at the doctor, who asked how much screen time she gets in a day (which is more than typical recommendations but way less time than children spend sitting in school).

&nbsp;

The doctor told her (but really she told me): “You should get more exercise.”

&nbsp;

Carys isn’t a team sports kind of person.  She doesn’t love hiking, and she only really likes biking when friends are with us.

&nbsp;

Something about the ‘get more exercise’ advice didn’t sit quite right with me, but I couldn’t put my finger on why.

&nbsp;

Then I found Katy Bowman’s work and suddenly it all made sense.

&nbsp;

Katy points out that <em>movement</em> and <em>exercise</em> are not the same thing.

&nbsp;

Even if we aren’t getting enough exercise, what we need far more than exercise is movement.

&nbsp;
<h3>In this episode, we discuss questions like:</h3>
<ul><li>What, exactly, is movement?</li><li>What does it mean for our children to move…and how about us?</li><li>How do we get more of it when our days are already so full?  (I know<em>I</em>thought that, but I’ve found ways to incorporate a daily stretching routine without taking any time away from anything else I do.  We discuss how in the episode!)</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2><strong>What children learn through movement</strong></h2>
Our children learn through movement.

&nbsp;

Yes, they learn how to move.

&nbsp;

They also learn what our society thinks about movement, which is likely to set them up for a lifetime of not-moving, unless we support them in doing things differently.

&nbsp;

Finally, they come to understand their bodies better when they move.  They learn how their body signals ‘this feels great’ and ‘this doesn’t feel right.’  They learn to interact with physical things: Dr. Roger Kneebone (no joke!) at Imperial College London has observed that medical students have seemed less comfortable doing delicate tasks with their hands since smartphones became popular.

&nbsp;

In other words, they learn to trust themselves.

&nbsp;

We have a whole module on Full-Bodied Learning in the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Learning Membership</a> where we come to understand much more deeply what children learn with their bodies, and how to help them do it.

&nbsp;

And that’s just one of the 12 topics you’ll cover in your first year, as you become an expert on topics like scaffolding your child’s learning, nurturing critical thinking, and supporting metacognitive learning.

&nbsp;
<h2>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</h2>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: </span><b>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</b><span style="font-weight: 400">.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Just like Laura discovered, learning happens everywhere - in everyday conversations, through helping with household tasks, during visits to museums, and in those spontaneous moments when your child asks "why?".</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.</span>

&nbsp;

The <b><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></b><span style="font-weight: 400"> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled. </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">You'll discover how to:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Click the banner to learn more.</span>

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Katy’s books referenced for this episode (affiliate links)</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/product/dynamic-aging-simple-exercises-for-whole-body-mobility/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dynamic aging: Simple exercises for whole-body mobility</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/product/grow-wild-the-whole-child-whole-family-nature-rich-guide-to-moving-more-paperback/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Grow wild: The whole-child, whole-family, nature-rich guide to moving more</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/product/movement-matters-essays-on-movement-science-movement-ecology-and-the-nature-of-movement/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Movement Matters: Essays on Movement Science, Movement Ecology, and the Nature of Movement</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Perfect-Movement-Plan-Workbook-ebook/dp/B0CNVX67SL" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">My perfect movement plan: The move your DNA all day workbook</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/permission-to-move/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Move Your DNA Podcast Downloadable Permission to Move signs</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:54 Introducing today’s topic and featured guest

03:07 Movement is like food for our bodies, keeping them healthy, while exercise is a special type of movement that's planned to help us get stronger.

12:14 Kids learn best when they can move around, not just sit still like in school.

16:42 Incorporate movement into your daily routine by making walks a family event or turning everyday tasks into opportunities for activity.

34:50 Children sit because it's expected. To change this, create spaces that promote movement and actively support their natural activity.

41:17 Instead of focusing on "don'ts," use signs that show where movement is allowed, creating spaces that encourage physical activity and support movement.

42:19 Extracurricular activities should complement a child's overall movement diet, ensuring a mix of structured and unstructured play.

47:06 Outdoor movement aligns with our evolutionary needs, offering natural light and varied physical activities that indoor environments can’t provide.

51:59 If walking isn't possible, adapt with alternatives like biking or using a wheelchair to ensure some form of outdoor, human-powered movement.

53:31 When feeling tired, consider gentle, enjoyable movements like walking, dancing, or outdoor chores. Choose activities that you find meaningful, not just for calorie burning.

57:59 Three practices to try to incorporate more movement into your daily life.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Caspersen, C.J., Powell, K.E., &amp; Christenson, G.M. (1985). Physical activity, exercise, and physical fitness: Definitions and distinctions for health-related research. Public Health Reports 100(2), 126.

<hr />

Hidding, L.M., Altenburg, T.M., Van Ekris, E., &amp; Chinapaw, M.J. (2017). Why do children engage in sedentary behavior? Child- and parent-perceived determinants. International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 14(7), 671.

<hr />

Hollander, K., Elsabe de Villiers, J., Sehner, S., Wegscheider, K., Braumann, K-M., Venter, R., &amp; Zech, A. (2017). Growing up (habitually) barefoot influences the development of foot and arch morphology in children and adolescents. Scientific Reports 7, 8079.

<hr />

Jayanthi, N.A., Post, E.G., Laury, T.C., &amp; Fabricant, P.D. (2019). Health consequences of youth sport specialization. Journal of Athletic Training 54(10), 1040-1049.

<hr />

Kafer, A. (2013). Feminist, queer, crip. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press.

<hr />

Maitland, C., Stratton, G., Foster S., Braham, R., &amp; Rosenberg, M. (2014). The dynamic family home: A qualitative exploration of physical environmental influences on children’s sedentary behavior and physical activity within the home space. International Journal of Behavioral Nutrition and Physical Activity 11, 1-12.

<hr />

Scully, J.L. (2004). What is a disease? EMBO Reports 5(7), 650-653.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/nutritiousmovement]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1e912440-d4b3-4767-b639-558f4eb5863b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Aug 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/1e912440-d4b3-4767-b639-558f4eb5863b.mp3" length="60347209" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>220</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>220</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/108cd343-d52f-442b-abb0-fcb0c9bb7965/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>219: The skills your child will need in the age of AI</title><itunes:title>219: The skills your child will need in the age of AI</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>What your child is learning in school isn’t enough</h2>
The things your child is learning in school are not the things that are most likely to lead to their success in the future.

&nbsp;

Who could have predicted the shifts we’ve seen since Chat GPT-3 was released to the public in November 2022?

&nbsp;

While AI still has its bugs, it won’t be long before these bugs are squashed.

&nbsp;

We’re going to be using more and more technology in our lives - and our children are going to need different skills to navigate it than we’ve used in our careers.

&nbsp;
<h2>The 56 foundational skills for future success</h2>
A report from consulting firm McKinsey’s research arm described 56 foundational skills that will help people thrive in the future of work.

&nbsp;

Eleven of these skills are related to digital fluency and citizenship, software use and development, and understanding digital systems.

&nbsp;

<em>The other 44 skills have nothing to do with digital knowledge or capabilities.</em>

&nbsp;

These skills (and how to help your child learn them) are the topic of this episode.

&nbsp;

There's a key topic that's missing from these skills: content knowledge.

&nbsp;

The McKinsey researchers are assuming that we can quickly learn what we need to know - or that we actually don’t need to learn very much content, because our new AI tools will do that for us (as soon as they stop making up legal cases).

&nbsp;

But children spend 90+% of their time in school…learning <em>content. </em><strong>How are they going to get the rest of the skills they’ll need? Well, they’re going to get them from you…or not at all.</strong>

&nbsp;

Not sure how you’re going to make this happen?

&nbsp;

Need help?

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/grit/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">052: Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gritrerelease/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">165: How grit helps (and how it doesn’t)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whywillnooneplaywithme/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">215: Why will no-one play with me?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/videogames/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">218: What children learn from video games</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:27Introducing today’s topic

03:06According to the McKinsey report, children need cognitive, interpersonal, self-leadership, and digital skills to thrive in a tech-driven future

06:22The first of the four categories of skills, the cognitive category, focuses on skills like communication, critical thinking, mental flexibility, and planning

18:01 The second category, interpersonal skills, focuses on working with others effectively, including inspiring and understanding people, and building strong relationships, and effective teamwork.

27:29 The third category, Self-Leadership, covers self-awareness, self-management, and goal achievement, stressing the importance of integrity and adaptability.

42:48 The final category is Digital, encompassing Digital Fluency and Citizenship, Software Use and Development, and Understanding Digital Systems—key for evaluating and effectively using digital resources.

53:39 McKinsey's AI-age skills focus on tech, missing crucial areas like art, languages, and spatial awareness. A well-rounded education needs both tech and human connection skills.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Abdelnour, E., Jansen, M.O., &amp; Gold, J.A. (2022). ADHD diagnostic trends: Increased recognition or overdiagnosis? Missouri Medicine 119(5), 467-473.

<hr />

Dondi, M., Klier, J., Panier, F., &amp; Schubert, J. (n.d.). Defining the skills citizens will need in the future world of work. McKinsey &amp; Company. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html?searchResultPosition=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html?searchResultPosition=1</a>

<hr />

Interaction Institute for Social Change (2016, January 13). Illustrating equality vs. equity. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://interactioninstitute.org/illustrating-equality-vs-equity/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://interactioninstitute.org/illustrating-equality-vs-equity/</a>

<hr />

Kantor, J. (2014, August 13). Working anything but 9-5: Scheduling technology leaves low-income parents with hours of chaos. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/starbucks-workers-scheduling-hours.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/starbucks-workers-scheduling-hours.html</a>

<hr />

Paycor (2024, March 12). Predictive work schedule laws: A city-by-city guide. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/predictive-work-schedule-laws-a-city-by-city-guide/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/predictive-work-schedule-laws-a-city-by-city-guide/</a>

<hr />

Rajah, N., Bamiatzi, V., &amp; Williams, N. (2021). How childhood ADHD-like symptoms predict selection into entrepreneurship and implications on entrepreneurial performance. Journal of Business Venturing 36(3), 106091.

<hr />

Singer, N. (2024, July 6). Students target teachers in group TikTok attack, shaking their school. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html</a>

<hr />

Slater, D. (2023, August 17). The Instagram account that shattered a California high school. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/magazine/california-high-school-racist-instagram.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/magazine/california-high-school-racist-instagram.html</a>

<hr />

Skinner, E.B. (2023, April 26). The true cost of a $12 t-shirt. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/opinion/fast-fashion-apparel-worker-conditions-rana-plaza.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/opinion/fast-fashion-apparel-worker-conditions-rana-plaza.html</a>

<hr />

TRT World (n.d.). The many times McKinsey has been embroiled in scandals. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-many-times-mckinsey-has-been-embroiled-in-scandals-43996" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-many-times-mckinsey-has-been-embroiled-in-scandals-43996</a>

<hr />

White, G.B. (2015, June 3). All your clothes are made with exploited labor. The Atlantic. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/patagonia-labor-clothing-factory-exploitation/394658/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/patagonia-labor-clothing-factory-exploitation/394658/</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>What your child is learning in school isn’t enough</h2>
The things your child is learning in school are not the things that are most likely to lead to their success in the future.

&nbsp;

Who could have predicted the shifts we’ve seen since Chat GPT-3 was released to the public in November 2022?

&nbsp;

While AI still has its bugs, it won’t be long before these bugs are squashed.

&nbsp;

We’re going to be using more and more technology in our lives - and our children are going to need different skills to navigate it than we’ve used in our careers.

&nbsp;
<h2>The 56 foundational skills for future success</h2>
A report from consulting firm McKinsey’s research arm described 56 foundational skills that will help people thrive in the future of work.

&nbsp;

Eleven of these skills are related to digital fluency and citizenship, software use and development, and understanding digital systems.

&nbsp;

<em>The other 44 skills have nothing to do with digital knowledge or capabilities.</em>

&nbsp;

These skills (and how to help your child learn them) are the topic of this episode.

&nbsp;

There's a key topic that's missing from these skills: content knowledge.

&nbsp;

The McKinsey researchers are assuming that we can quickly learn what we need to know - or that we actually don’t need to learn very much content, because our new AI tools will do that for us (as soon as they stop making up legal cases).

&nbsp;

But children spend 90+% of their time in school…learning <em>content. </em><strong>How are they going to get the rest of the skills they’ll need? Well, they’re going to get them from you…or not at all.</strong>

&nbsp;

Not sure how you’re going to make this happen?

&nbsp;

Need help?

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/grit/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">052: Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gritrerelease/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">165: How grit helps (and how it doesn’t)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whywillnooneplaywithme/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">215: Why will no-one play with me?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/videogames/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">218: What children learn from video games</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:27Introducing today’s topic

03:06According to the McKinsey report, children need cognitive, interpersonal, self-leadership, and digital skills to thrive in a tech-driven future

06:22The first of the four categories of skills, the cognitive category, focuses on skills like communication, critical thinking, mental flexibility, and planning

18:01 The second category, interpersonal skills, focuses on working with others effectively, including inspiring and understanding people, and building strong relationships, and effective teamwork.

27:29 The third category, Self-Leadership, covers self-awareness, self-management, and goal achievement, stressing the importance of integrity and adaptability.

42:48 The final category is Digital, encompassing Digital Fluency and Citizenship, Software Use and Development, and Understanding Digital Systems—key for evaluating and effectively using digital resources.

53:39 McKinsey's AI-age skills focus on tech, missing crucial areas like art, languages, and spatial awareness. A well-rounded education needs both tech and human connection skills.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Abdelnour, E., Jansen, M.O., &amp; Gold, J.A. (2022). ADHD diagnostic trends: Increased recognition or overdiagnosis? Missouri Medicine 119(5), 467-473.

<hr />

Dondi, M., Klier, J., Panier, F., &amp; Schubert, J. (n.d.). Defining the skills citizens will need in the future world of work. McKinsey &amp; Company. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html?searchResultPosition=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html?searchResultPosition=1</a>

<hr />

Interaction Institute for Social Change (2016, January 13). Illustrating equality vs. equity. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://interactioninstitute.org/illustrating-equality-vs-equity/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://interactioninstitute.org/illustrating-equality-vs-equity/</a>

<hr />

Kantor, J. (2014, August 13). Working anything but 9-5: Scheduling technology leaves low-income parents with hours of chaos. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/starbucks-workers-scheduling-hours.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/starbucks-workers-scheduling-hours.html</a>

<hr />

Paycor (2024, March 12). Predictive work schedule laws: A city-by-city guide. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/predictive-work-schedule-laws-a-city-by-city-guide/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/predictive-work-schedule-laws-a-city-by-city-guide/</a>

<hr />

Rajah, N., Bamiatzi, V., &amp; Williams, N. (2021). How childhood ADHD-like symptoms predict selection into entrepreneurship and implications on entrepreneurial performance. Journal of Business Venturing 36(3), 106091.

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Singer, N. (2024, July 6). Students target teachers in group TikTok attack, shaking their school. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/technology/tiktok-fake-teachers-pennsylvania.html</a>

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Slater, D. (2023, August 17). The Instagram account that shattered a California high school. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/magazine/california-high-school-racist-instagram.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/magazine/california-high-school-racist-instagram.html</a>

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Skinner, E.B. (2023, April 26). The true cost of a $12 t-shirt. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/opinion/fast-fashion-apparel-worker-conditions-rana-plaza.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/opinion/fast-fashion-apparel-worker-conditions-rana-plaza.html</a>

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TRT World (n.d.). The many times McKinsey has been embroiled in scandals. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-many-times-mckinsey-has-been-embroiled-in-scandals-43996" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-many-times-mckinsey-has-been-embroiled-in-scandals-43996</a>

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White, G.B. (2015, June 3). All your clothes are made with exploited labor. The Atlantic. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/patagonia-labor-clothing-factory-exploitation/394658/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/patagonia-labor-clothing-factory-exploitation/394658/</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/ai]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">eebf4482-4d3a-4183-bc36-cd97d8f4b8a1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 Aug 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/eebf4482-4d3a-4183-bc36-cd97d8f4b8a1.mp3" length="55193545" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>219</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>219</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/f289f43d-a4d8-4227-b1cd-ee831da52cee/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Episode Summary 01: Building a better relationship with screen time</title><itunes:title>Episode Summary 01: Building a better relationship with screen time</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Thanks to those of you who completed the recent survey on how I can serve you better, some changes are coming to the YPM world!  While most respondents said they loved the length of the episodes because they appreciate how much detail we can get into in that time, a number of people said they had trouble finding the time to listen to longer episodes, as well as share them with others.

&nbsp;

Our long episodes aren’t going anywhere; I love being able to truly understand an issue and have deep conversations with experts. But I hear you that it can be hard to find an hour to listen! That’s why I’m going to start creating summary episodes. This first one summarizes the last two episodes on the topic of video games - both the conversation with <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TheGamerEducator</a> Ash Brandin, and my narrated episode on what children learn from video games.

&nbsp;

You’ll get my take-home ideas from both episodes in less than 12 minutes! If you’re starting to see the deep learning that children are doing while they’re playing video games and want to support them in having more of these kinds of experiences…but without using screens all the time, the Learning Membership will help you.

&nbsp;

The membership helps you to support your child’s intrinsic love of learning, while also equipping them with the skills they’ll need to succeed in the age of AI.

&nbsp;

You’ll learn how to see and follow your child’s interests so you can support them in deep inquiries.  You won’t have to drag them through it like you would a workbook or a curriculum (so no need to reward them with screen time!) because they will WANT to learn. They’ll be excited to do it, and they’ll bring you along for the ride.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s episode

02:06 Balancing kids' screen time is a gradual process of sharing responsibility and making adjustments based on their abilities.

03:35 Children are drawn to video games because they meet needs for competence, autonomy, and relatedness.

03:54 There is no strong evidence that video games cause violence.

05:27 Children can learn about cultural issues like misogyny and violence from video games and other media.

07:19 Video games allow children to actively engage in learning by exploring unique systems and strategies, similar to real scientific thinking.

08:41 Children develop creativity and persistence through video games.

09:18 Invitation to the free You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher workshop]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks to those of you who completed the recent survey on how I can serve you better, some changes are coming to the YPM world!  While most respondents said they loved the length of the episodes because they appreciate how much detail we can get into in that time, a number of people said they had trouble finding the time to listen to longer episodes, as well as share them with others.

&nbsp;

Our long episodes aren’t going anywhere; I love being able to truly understand an issue and have deep conversations with experts. But I hear you that it can be hard to find an hour to listen! That’s why I’m going to start creating summary episodes. This first one summarizes the last two episodes on the topic of video games - both the conversation with <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TheGamerEducator</a> Ash Brandin, and my narrated episode on what children learn from video games.

&nbsp;

You’ll get my take-home ideas from both episodes in less than 12 minutes! If you’re starting to see the deep learning that children are doing while they’re playing video games and want to support them in having more of these kinds of experiences…but without using screens all the time, the Learning Membership will help you.

&nbsp;

The membership helps you to support your child’s intrinsic love of learning, while also equipping them with the skills they’ll need to succeed in the age of AI.

&nbsp;

You’ll learn how to see and follow your child’s interests so you can support them in deep inquiries.  You won’t have to drag them through it like you would a workbook or a curriculum (so no need to reward them with screen time!) because they will WANT to learn. They’ll be excited to do it, and they’ll bring you along for the ride.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s episode

02:06 Balancing kids' screen time is a gradual process of sharing responsibility and making adjustments based on their abilities.

03:35 Children are drawn to video games because they meet needs for competence, autonomy, and relatedness.

03:54 There is no strong evidence that video games cause violence.

05:27 Children can learn about cultural issues like misogyny and violence from video games and other media.

07:19 Video games allow children to actively engage in learning by exploring unique systems and strategies, similar to real scientific thinking.

08:41 Children develop creativity and persistence through video games.

09:18 Invitation to the free You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher workshop]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/screentimesummary]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f2720f15-39d9-49cf-986c-946cf4c40be5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f2720f15-39d9-49cf-986c-946cf4c40be5.mp3" length="10779721" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>11:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5c645c9c-24a4-4ef9-958a-8c90d9e7ad1a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>218: What children learn from video games</title><itunes:title>218: What children learn from video games</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>How Video Games Shape Learning and Children’s Development</h2>
Last week, parent Nicole and I talked with <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TheGamerEducator</a> Ash Brandin about the challenges we can have when our <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">kids love video games</a>.

&nbsp;

I had also hoped to ask Ash a lot of questions about what children learn from video games but we completely ran out of time, so I spent a fun day reading 10 books on the topic at the University of New Mexico library (non-students can’t check out books!).

&nbsp;
<h3>I wanted to know a lot more about:</h3>
<ul><li>Why do children find video games so attractive?  And can we use that information to make the transitions away from screen time easier - as well as support their off-screen learning?</li><li>Even if video games don’t lead children to violence, are they picking up ideas that aren’t aligned with our values?</li><li>What useful skills are our children learning from video games, and how is this different from school-based learning?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:45 Introduction to today’s episode

04:13 Children are drawn to video games because they fulfill their needs for independence, skill-building, and connection.

13:00 Children learn about gender roles and social behaviors from video games, which reflect societal misogyny and violence.

28:55 Video games foster active learning through problem-solving and experimentation. By connecting gaming identities to real-world learning, children can enhance their educational experiences.

40:00 Children learn best when they are engaged in activities they care about, and the You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher workshop will help parents recognize and support this learning.

50:01Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Benedetti, W. (2012, July 12). Anti-bigotry gaming site hacked, defaced by bigots. NBC News. Retrieved from: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/anti-bigotry-gaming-site-hacked-defaced-bigots-flna910262

<hr />

Brown, H.J. (2008). Videogames and education. Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe.

<hr />

Condis, M. (2018). Gaming masculinity: Trolls, fake geeks &amp; the gendered battle for online culture. Iowa City: University of Iowa Press.

<hr />

Gee, J.P. (2007). What video games have to teach us about learning and literacy. New York: Palgrave

<hr />

Gee, J.P. (2007). Good video games + good learning: Collected essays on video games, learning and literacy. New York: Peter Lang

<hr />

Gillin, L.E., &amp; Signorella, M.L. (2023). Attitudes toward sexual orientation and gender identity in online multiplayer gaming spaces. Psychological Reports, 00332941231153798.

<hr />

O’Leary, A. (2012, August 1). In virtual play, sex harassment is all too real. The New York Times. Retrieved from: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/us/sexual-harassment-in-online-gaming-stirs-anger.html

<hr />

Rigby, S., &amp; Ryan, R.M. (2011). Glued to games: How video games draw us in and hold us spellbound. Santa Barbara: Praeger.

<hr />

Richard, G.T. (2017). “Play it like a girl”: Gender expression, sexual identity, and complex expectations in a female-oriented gaming community. In B. Ruberg &amp; A. Shaw (Eds.), Queer Game Studies (p.163-177). Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.

<hr />

Schaffer, D., &amp; Loparo, K.A. (2007). How computer games help children learn. Palgrave Macmillan.

<hr />

Self-Determination Theory (2024). Theory. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://selfdeterminationtheory.org/theory/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://selfdeterminationtheory.org/theory/</a>

<hr />

Sliwinski, A. (2007, February 26). Gay gamer survey results with large hetero inclusion. Engadget. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2007-02-26-gay-gamer-survey-results-with-large-hetero-inclusion.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.engadget.com/2007-02-26-gay-gamer-survey-results-with-large-hetero-inclusion.html</a>

<hr />

Suellentrop, C. (2013, December 13). In the footsteps of Lara Croft. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/arts/video-games/chris-suellentrop-on-the-year-in-video-games.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/arts/video-games/chris-suellentrop-on-the-year-in-video-games.html</a>

<hr />

Yunkaporta, T. (2021). Sand talk: How indigenous thinking can save the world. New York: HarperCollins.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>How Video Games Shape Learning and Children’s Development</h2>
Last week, parent Nicole and I talked with <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TheGamerEducator</a> Ash Brandin about the challenges we can have when our <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">kids love video games</a>.

&nbsp;

I had also hoped to ask Ash a lot of questions about what children learn from video games but we completely ran out of time, so I spent a fun day reading 10 books on the topic at the University of New Mexico library (non-students can’t check out books!).

&nbsp;
<h3>I wanted to know a lot more about:</h3>
<ul><li>Why do children find video games so attractive?  And can we use that information to make the transitions away from screen time easier - as well as support their off-screen learning?</li><li>Even if video games don’t lead children to violence, are they picking up ideas that aren’t aligned with our values?</li><li>What useful skills are our children learning from video games, and how is this different from school-based learning?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:45 Introduction to today’s episode

04:13 Children are drawn to video games because they fulfill their needs for independence, skill-building, and connection.

13:00 Children learn about gender roles and social behaviors from video games, which reflect societal misogyny and violence.

28:55 Video games foster active learning through problem-solving and experimentation. By connecting gaming identities to real-world learning, children can enhance their educational experiences.

40:00 Children learn best when they are engaged in activities they care about, and the You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher workshop will help parents recognize and support this learning.

50:01Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Benedetti, W. (2012, July 12). Anti-bigotry gaming site hacked, defaced by bigots. NBC News. Retrieved from: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/anti-bigotry-gaming-site-hacked-defaced-bigots-flna910262

<hr />

Brown, H.J. (2008). Videogames and education. Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe.

<hr />

Condis, M. (2018). Gaming masculinity: Trolls, fake geeks &amp; the gendered battle for online culture. Iowa City: University of Iowa Press.

<hr />

Gee, J.P. (2007). What video games have to teach us about learning and literacy. New York: Palgrave

<hr />

Gee, J.P. (2007). Good video games + good learning: Collected essays on video games, learning and literacy. New York: Peter Lang

<hr />

Gillin, L.E., &amp; Signorella, M.L. (2023). Attitudes toward sexual orientation and gender identity in online multiplayer gaming spaces. Psychological Reports, 00332941231153798.

<hr />

O’Leary, A. (2012, August 1). In virtual play, sex harassment is all too real. The New York Times. Retrieved from: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/us/sexual-harassment-in-online-gaming-stirs-anger.html

<hr />

Rigby, S., &amp; Ryan, R.M. (2011). Glued to games: How video games draw us in and hold us spellbound. Santa Barbara: Praeger.

<hr />

Richard, G.T. (2017). “Play it like a girl”: Gender expression, sexual identity, and complex expectations in a female-oriented gaming community. In B. Ruberg &amp; A. Shaw (Eds.), Queer Game Studies (p.163-177). Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.

<hr />

Schaffer, D., &amp; Loparo, K.A. (2007). How computer games help children learn. Palgrave Macmillan.

<hr />

Self-Determination Theory (2024). Theory. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://selfdeterminationtheory.org/theory/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://selfdeterminationtheory.org/theory/</a>

<hr />

Sliwinski, A. (2007, February 26). Gay gamer survey results with large hetero inclusion. Engadget. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2007-02-26-gay-gamer-survey-results-with-large-hetero-inclusion.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.engadget.com/2007-02-26-gay-gamer-survey-results-with-large-hetero-inclusion.html</a>

<hr />

Suellentrop, C. (2013, December 13). In the footsteps of Lara Croft. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/arts/video-games/chris-suellentrop-on-the-year-in-video-games.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/arts/video-games/chris-suellentrop-on-the-year-in-video-games.html</a>

<hr />

Yunkaporta, T. (2021). Sand talk: How indigenous thinking can save the world. New York: HarperCollins.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/videogames]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">cbbd8e1b-1104-4e8d-83e1-b5c08fd48de1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/cbbd8e1b-1104-4e8d-83e1-b5c08fd48de1.mp3" length="53518537" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>218</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>218</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/cd5a6c6a-8d4a-4ff2-9cf3-68755a7fbb3d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>217: How to end the video game struggles</title><itunes:title>217: How to end the video game struggles</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>Why Video Games Aren't as Harmful as You Think for Kids</h2>
Video games can be tough.

&nbsp;

Our kids enjoy them so much…but can’t tear their eyes away from them when time’s up without a meltdown.

&nbsp;

Some games, like Fortnite and Roblox, can be really violent, and aren’t our kids learning bad messages when they play?

&nbsp;

Plus even if they aren’t playing something violent, they aren’t really learning anything beneficial, right?

&nbsp;

In this episode with <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TheGamerEducator</a> Ash Brandin and co-interviewer parent Nicole, we talk about common struggles parents have with kids who are playing games, including:
<ul><li>How to address dysregulation at the end of screen time</li><li>How to ‘scaffold’ the child’s ability to manage their own screen time</li><li>The links between screen time and intrinsic motivation</li><li>Why we can feel OK using screen time to give ourselves a break</li><li>How to model appropriate screen time use in front of our children</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:50 Introducing the topic and guests for this episode

03:17 Moderate video game use generally has neutral or positive effects, contrary to earlier studies linking it to aggression.

07:02 Many studies linking video games to aggression overlook confounding factors like socioeconomic status, trauma, and family dynamics.

10:27 Research on violent video games shows mixed results, with any negative effects often being minor and context-specific. It's important to consider individual responses when assessing impact.

27:47 Effective screen time management involves setting limits, encouraging self-regulation, and gradually shifting responsibility to children while providing support.

42:33 Balancing gaming limits requires adjusting based on family needs and the child's ability to self-regulate, with ongoing assessment and adjustment.

47:12Guilt about screen time often stems from concerns about not using time productively. It’s important to recognize that screens can benefit the whole family, allowing parents to manage tasks and take necessary breaks.

54:24Gaming meets psychological needs like competence and autonomy, which doesn’t diminish intrinsic motivation for other activities.

01:01:48Model balanced screen use by explaining your tech use and setting clear limits. Show how screens help with tasks and emotions, and involve your kids in transitions.

01:08:51Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Boxer, P., Groves, C.L., &amp; Docherty, M. (2015). Video games do indeed influence children and adolescents’ aggression, prosocial behavior, and academic performance: A clearer reading of Ferguson (2015). Perspectives on Psychological Science 10(5), 671-673.

<hr />

Ferguson, C.J. (2008). The school shooting/violent video game link: Causal relationship or moral panic? Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling 5, 25-37.

<hr />

Ferguson, C.J. (2015). Do angry birds make for angry children? A meta-analysis of video game influences on children’s and adolescents’ aggression, mental health, prosocial behavior, and academic performance. Perspectives on Psychological Science 10(5), 646-666.

<hr />

Ferguson, C.J., &amp; Kilburn, J. (2010). Much ado about nothing: The misestimation and overinterpretation of violent video game effects in eastern and western nations: Comment on Anderson et al. (2010). Psychological Bulletin 136(2), 174-178.

<hr />

He, F., Qi, Y., Zhou, Y., Cao, A., Yue, X., Fang, S., &amp; Zheng, Y. (2023). Meta-analysis of the efficacy of digital therapies in children with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. Frontiers in Psychiatry 14, 1054831.

<hr />

Johannes, N., Vuorre, M., &amp; Przybylski, A.K. (2021). Video game play is positively correlated with well-being. Royal Society Open Science 8, 202049.

<hr />

Kollins, S.H., Childress, A., Heusser, A.C., &amp; Lutz, J. (2021). Effectiveness of a digital therapeutic as adjunct to treatment with medication in pediatric ADHD. NPJ Digital Medicine 4(1), 58.

<hr />

Prensky, M. (2006). Don’t bother me, Mom – I’m learning!. St. Paul, MN: Paragon House.

<hr />

Zendle, D., Flick, C., Gordon-Petrovskaya, E., Ballou, N., Ziao, L.Y., &amp; Drachen, A. (2023). No evidence that Chinese playtime mandates reduced heavy gaming in one segment of the video games industry. Nature Human Behavior 7, 1753-1766.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Why Video Games Aren't as Harmful as You Think for Kids</h2>
Video games can be tough.

&nbsp;

Our kids enjoy them so much…but can’t tear their eyes away from them when time’s up without a meltdown.

&nbsp;

Some games, like Fortnite and Roblox, can be really violent, and aren’t our kids learning bad messages when they play?

&nbsp;

Plus even if they aren’t playing something violent, they aren’t really learning anything beneficial, right?

&nbsp;

In this episode with <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegamereducator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TheGamerEducator</a> Ash Brandin and co-interviewer parent Nicole, we talk about common struggles parents have with kids who are playing games, including:
<ul><li>How to address dysregulation at the end of screen time</li><li>How to ‘scaffold’ the child’s ability to manage their own screen time</li><li>The links between screen time and intrinsic motivation</li><li>Why we can feel OK using screen time to give ourselves a break</li><li>How to model appropriate screen time use in front of our children</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

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The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

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When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

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Click the banner to learn more!

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

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&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:50 Introducing the topic and guests for this episode

03:17 Moderate video game use generally has neutral or positive effects, contrary to earlier studies linking it to aggression.

07:02 Many studies linking video games to aggression overlook confounding factors like socioeconomic status, trauma, and family dynamics.

10:27 Research on violent video games shows mixed results, with any negative effects often being minor and context-specific. It's important to consider individual responses when assessing impact.

27:47 Effective screen time management involves setting limits, encouraging self-regulation, and gradually shifting responsibility to children while providing support.

42:33 Balancing gaming limits requires adjusting based on family needs and the child's ability to self-regulate, with ongoing assessment and adjustment.

47:12Guilt about screen time often stems from concerns about not using time productively. It’s important to recognize that screens can benefit the whole family, allowing parents to manage tasks and take necessary breaks.

54:24Gaming meets psychological needs like competence and autonomy, which doesn’t diminish intrinsic motivation for other activities.

01:01:48Model balanced screen use by explaining your tech use and setting clear limits. Show how screens help with tasks and emotions, and involve your kids in transitions.

01:08:51Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Boxer, P., Groves, C.L., &amp; Docherty, M. (2015). Video games do indeed influence children and adolescents’ aggression, prosocial behavior, and academic performance: A clearer reading of Ferguson (2015). Perspectives on Psychological Science 10(5), 671-673.

<hr />

Ferguson, C.J. (2008). The school shooting/violent video game link: Causal relationship or moral panic? Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling 5, 25-37.

<hr />

Ferguson, C.J. (2015). Do angry birds make for angry children? A meta-analysis of video game influences on children’s and adolescents’ aggression, mental health, prosocial behavior, and academic performance. Perspectives on Psychological Science 10(5), 646-666.

<hr />

Ferguson, C.J., &amp; Kilburn, J. (2010). Much ado about nothing: The misestimation and overinterpretation of violent video game effects in eastern and western nations: Comment on Anderson et al. (2010). Psychological Bulletin 136(2), 174-178.

<hr />

He, F., Qi, Y., Zhou, Y., Cao, A., Yue, X., Fang, S., &amp; Zheng, Y. (2023). Meta-analysis of the efficacy of digital therapies in children with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. Frontiers in Psychiatry 14, 1054831.

<hr />

Johannes, N., Vuorre, M., &amp; Przybylski, A.K. (2021). Video game play is positively correlated with well-being. Royal Society Open Science 8, 202049.

<hr />

Kollins, S.H., Childress, A., Heusser, A.C., &amp; Lutz, J. (2021). Effectiveness of a digital therapeutic as adjunct to treatment with medication in pediatric ADHD. NPJ Digital Medicine 4(1), 58.

<hr />

Prensky, M. (2006). Don’t bother me, Mom – I’m learning!. St. Paul, MN: Paragon House.

<hr />

Zendle, D., Flick, C., Gordon-Petrovskaya, E., Ballou, N., Ziao, L.Y., &amp; Drachen, A. (2023). No evidence that Chinese playtime mandates reduced heavy gaming in one segment of the video games industry. Nature Human Behavior 7, 1753-1766.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/gamereducator]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d9677bcb-1afe-47fb-99f4-e1ae048620c3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d9677bcb-1afe-47fb-99f4-e1ae048620c3.mp3" length="67777225" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:10:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>217</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>217</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d80ca0a3-9eab-4ff7-9dfc-fa4b28108808/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>216: Am I in Perimenopause? with Dr. Louise Newson</title><itunes:title>216: Am I in Perimenopause? with Dr. Louise Newson</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>How do I know if I'm perimenopausal?</h1>
A few months ago a member in the <strong>Parenting Membership</strong> shared a whole bunch of symptoms she'd had, from fatigue to rage to dry eyes. She'd been on a <em>four year </em>journey to figure out what was going on before finding out that she was in perimenopause, and wanted to save other members from the same experience she'd had.

&nbsp;

That sparked a huge discussion in the community, with other members wondering whether the symptoms they were experiencing were also related to <strong>menopause</strong> - and whether this was going to be <em>yet another thing</em> they were going to have to educate their doctors about to get appropriate treatment.

&nbsp;
<h2>In this episode we answer questions about:</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>What roles do hormones like estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone play in our bodies?</li>
 	<li>What is menopause, and what is perimenopause?</li>
 	<li>What are some of the most common symptoms of perimenopause? (Hint - it isn't hot flashes)</li>
 	<li>What are the benefits of Hormone Replacement Therapy, and who should consider it?</li>
 	<li>Is HRT dangerous?</li>
 	<li>What impacts does culture have on the experience of menopause?</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

In our next episode on this topic we'll look at a non-medical, holistic approach to menopause.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Newson’s books</strong></h3>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://amzn.to/45nYbDd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Preparing for the perimenopause and menopause</a><a href="https://amzn.to/3VNZTeh" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Menopause: All you need to know in one concise manual</a><a href="https://amzn.to/4bW4hgD" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Definitive Guide to the Perimenopause and Menopause</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>Jump to Highlights</h3>
01:26 Introducing the topic and featured guest for this episode

03:48 Hormones play a crucial role in menstruation.

08:28 Dr. Newson explores the definitions and challenges of menopause and perimenopause, emphasizing the wide-ranging symptoms and long-term health implications associated with hormonal changes.

12:10 Dr. Newson discusses recognizing perimenopause symptoms amid busy lifestyles and the importance of early awareness, regardless of age variability in menopausal onset.

16:05 Dr. Newson explains how hormonal birth control can obscure natural hormone patterns, potentially leading to misunderstood symptoms like mood changes and reduced energy.

18:26 Women face challenges in receiving timely diagnosis and treatment for perimenopause and menopause symptoms, underscoring disparities in healthcare and the importance of seeking medical help despite societal barriers.

22:46 Hot flashes, often associated with menopause, are not the most prevalent or severe symptom. They result from brain disruptions and vary widely among individuals, with many experiencing cognitive and psychological symptoms instead.

27:28 Perimenopause and menopause often bring cognitive symptoms like memory lapses, tied to hormonal shifts that impact brain function, yet frequently disregarded in medical care and treatment.

33:41 Hormone replacement therapy has been found to be effective in managing menopausal symptoms and offering potential long-term health benefits, despite past concerns about risks associated with older synthetic hormone studies.

44:47 Hormone replacement therapy, especially with natural hormones, is often prescribed long-term for health benefits, contrasting with synthetic hormones implicated in higher risks from the WHI study.

47:43 Dr. Newson emphasizes that while non-hormonal treatments like antidepressants and therapies can alleviate symptoms, they don't address the underlying hormonal deficiency that hormone therapy effectively restores for overall health.

49:41 Jen and Dr. Newson discuss cultural views on menopause, emphasizing the need for accurate medical support over stereotypes or inadequate treatments like antidepressants.

57:21 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>References</strong></h3>
Attia, P. (2022, August 20). Menstruation, menopause, and hormone replacement therapy for women.

<hr />

Carson, M.Y., &amp; Thurson, R.C. (2023). Vasomotor symptoms and their links to cardiovascular disease risk. Current Opinion in Endocrine in Metabolic Research, 100448.

<hr />

Cramer, D.W., Xu, H., &amp; Harlow, B.L. (1995). Family history as a predictor of early menopause. Fertility and Sterility 64(4), 740-745.

<hr />

Dominus, S. (2023, February 1). Women have been misled about menopause. The New York Times Magazine. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/magazine/menopause-hot-flashes-hormone-therapy.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/magazine/menopause-hot-flashes-hormone-therapy.html</a>

<hr />

Gilberg-Lenz, S. (2022). Menopause bootcamp: Optimize your health, empower your self, and flourish as you age. New York: Harper Wave.

<hr />

Herstasis (2024). Menopause symptoms. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.herstasis.com/symptoms/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.herstasis.com/symptoms/</a>

<hr />

Kolata, G., &amp; Petersen, M. (2022, July 10). Hormone replacement study a shock to the medical system. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/10/us/hormone-replacement-study-a-shock-to-the-medical-system.html#:~:text=A%20rigorous%20study%20found%20that,a%20decrease%20in%20colorectal%20cancer" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/10/us/hormone-replacement-study-a-shock-to-the-medical-system.html#:~:text=A%20rigorous%20study%20found%20that,a%20decrease%20in%20colorectal%20cancer</a>.

<hr />

Lobo, R.A. (2013). Where are we 10 years after the Women’s Health Initiative? The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology &amp; Metabolism 98(5), 1771-1780.

<hr />

Manson, J., Bassuk, S., Kaunitz, A., &amp; Pinkerton, J. (2020). The Women’s Health Initiative trials of menopausal hormone therapy: Lessons learned. Menopause 27(8), 918-928.

<hr />

Mosconi, L. (2024). The menopause brain: New science empowers women to navigate the pivotal transition with knowledge and confidence. Knox, ME: Center Point.

<hr />

National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (2015, November 12). Menopause: Diagnosis and management. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng23/chapter/Recommendations" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng23/chapter/Recommendations</a>

<hr />

Newson, L., &amp; Lewis, R. (2021). Delayed diagnosis and treatment of menopause is wasting NHS appointments and resources. Newson Health. Retrieved from: <a href="https://d2931px9t312xa.cloudfront.net/menopausedoctor/files/information/632/BMS%20poster%20Louise%20Newson%202021.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://d2931px9t312xa.cloudfront.net/menopausedoctor/files/information/632/BMS%20poster%20Louise%20Newson%202021.pdf</a>

<hr />

O’Reilly, K., McDermid, F., McInnes, S., &amp; Peters, K. (2022). An exploration of women’s knowledge and experience of perimenopause and menopause: An integrative literature review. Journal of Clinical Nursing 32: 4528-4540.

<hr />

Stute, P., Marsden, J., Salih, N., &amp; Cagnacci, A. (2023). Reappraising 21 years of the WHI study: Putting the findings in context for clinical practice. Maturitas 174, 8-13.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>How do I know if I'm perimenopausal?</h1>
A few months ago a member in the <strong>Parenting Membership</strong> shared a whole bunch of symptoms she'd had, from fatigue to rage to dry eyes. She'd been on a <em>four year </em>journey to figure out what was going on before finding out that she was in perimenopause, and wanted to save other members from the same experience she'd had.

&nbsp;

That sparked a huge discussion in the community, with other members wondering whether the symptoms they were experiencing were also related to <strong>menopause</strong> - and whether this was going to be <em>yet another thing</em> they were going to have to educate their doctors about to get appropriate treatment.

&nbsp;
<h2>In this episode we answer questions about:</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>What roles do hormones like estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone play in our bodies?</li>
 	<li>What is menopause, and what is perimenopause?</li>
 	<li>What are some of the most common symptoms of perimenopause? (Hint - it isn't hot flashes)</li>
 	<li>What are the benefits of Hormone Replacement Therapy, and who should consider it?</li>
 	<li>Is HRT dangerous?</li>
 	<li>What impacts does culture have on the experience of menopause?</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

In our next episode on this topic we'll look at a non-medical, holistic approach to menopause.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Newson’s books</strong></h3>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://amzn.to/45nYbDd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Preparing for the perimenopause and menopause</a><a href="https://amzn.to/3VNZTeh" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Menopause: All you need to know in one concise manual</a><a href="https://amzn.to/4bW4hgD" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Definitive Guide to the Perimenopause and Menopause</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>Jump to Highlights</h3>
01:26 Introducing the topic and featured guest for this episode

03:48 Hormones play a crucial role in menstruation.

08:28 Dr. Newson explores the definitions and challenges of menopause and perimenopause, emphasizing the wide-ranging symptoms and long-term health implications associated with hormonal changes.

12:10 Dr. Newson discusses recognizing perimenopause symptoms amid busy lifestyles and the importance of early awareness, regardless of age variability in menopausal onset.

16:05 Dr. Newson explains how hormonal birth control can obscure natural hormone patterns, potentially leading to misunderstood symptoms like mood changes and reduced energy.

18:26 Women face challenges in receiving timely diagnosis and treatment for perimenopause and menopause symptoms, underscoring disparities in healthcare and the importance of seeking medical help despite societal barriers.

22:46 Hot flashes, often associated with menopause, are not the most prevalent or severe symptom. They result from brain disruptions and vary widely among individuals, with many experiencing cognitive and psychological symptoms instead.

27:28 Perimenopause and menopause often bring cognitive symptoms like memory lapses, tied to hormonal shifts that impact brain function, yet frequently disregarded in medical care and treatment.

33:41 Hormone replacement therapy has been found to be effective in managing menopausal symptoms and offering potential long-term health benefits, despite past concerns about risks associated with older synthetic hormone studies.

44:47 Hormone replacement therapy, especially with natural hormones, is often prescribed long-term for health benefits, contrasting with synthetic hormones implicated in higher risks from the WHI study.

47:43 Dr. Newson emphasizes that while non-hormonal treatments like antidepressants and therapies can alleviate symptoms, they don't address the underlying hormonal deficiency that hormone therapy effectively restores for overall health.

49:41 Jen and Dr. Newson discuss cultural views on menopause, emphasizing the need for accurate medical support over stereotypes or inadequate treatments like antidepressants.

57:21 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>References</strong></h3>
Attia, P. (2022, August 20). Menstruation, menopause, and hormone replacement therapy for women.

<hr />

Carson, M.Y., &amp; Thurson, R.C. (2023). Vasomotor symptoms and their links to cardiovascular disease risk. Current Opinion in Endocrine in Metabolic Research, 100448.

<hr />

Cramer, D.W., Xu, H., &amp; Harlow, B.L. (1995). Family history as a predictor of early menopause. Fertility and Sterility 64(4), 740-745.

<hr />

Dominus, S. (2023, February 1). Women have been misled about menopause. The New York Times Magazine. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/magazine/menopause-hot-flashes-hormone-therapy.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/magazine/menopause-hot-flashes-hormone-therapy.html</a>

<hr />

Gilberg-Lenz, S. (2022). Menopause bootcamp: Optimize your health, empower your self, and flourish as you age. New York: Harper Wave.

<hr />

Herstasis (2024). Menopause symptoms. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.herstasis.com/symptoms/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.herstasis.com/symptoms/</a>

<hr />

Kolata, G., &amp; Petersen, M. (2022, July 10). Hormone replacement study a shock to the medical system. The New York Times. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/10/us/hormone-replacement-study-a-shock-to-the-medical-system.html#:~:text=A%20rigorous%20study%20found%20that,a%20decrease%20in%20colorectal%20cancer" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/10/us/hormone-replacement-study-a-shock-to-the-medical-system.html#:~:text=A%20rigorous%20study%20found%20that,a%20decrease%20in%20colorectal%20cancer</a>.

<hr />

Lobo, R.A. (2013). Where are we 10 years after the Women’s Health Initiative? The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology &amp; Metabolism 98(5), 1771-1780.

<hr />

Manson, J., Bassuk, S., Kaunitz, A., &amp; Pinkerton, J. (2020). The Women’s Health Initiative trials of menopausal hormone therapy: Lessons learned. Menopause 27(8), 918-928.

<hr />

Mosconi, L. (2024). The menopause brain: New science empowers women to navigate the pivotal transition with knowledge and confidence. Knox, ME: Center Point.

<hr />

National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (2015, November 12). Menopause: Diagnosis and management. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng23/chapter/Recommendations" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng23/chapter/Recommendations</a>

<hr />

Newson, L., &amp; Lewis, R. (2021). Delayed diagnosis and treatment of menopause is wasting NHS appointments and resources. Newson Health. Retrieved from: <a href="https://d2931px9t312xa.cloudfront.net/menopausedoctor/files/information/632/BMS%20poster%20Louise%20Newson%202021.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://d2931px9t312xa.cloudfront.net/menopausedoctor/files/information/632/BMS%20poster%20Louise%20Newson%202021.pdf</a>

<hr />

O’Reilly, K., McDermid, F., McInnes, S., &amp; Peters, K. (2022). An exploration of women’s knowledge and experience of perimenopause and menopause: An integrative literature review. Journal of Clinical Nursing 32: 4528-4540.

<hr />

Stute, P., Marsden, J., Salih, N., &amp; Cagnacci, A. (2023). Reappraising 21 years of the WHI study: Putting the findings in context for clinical practice. Maturitas 174, 8-13.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/menopause]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">20a8dd4f-5741-4c08-bb2c-87785043029e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/20a8dd4f-5741-4c08-bb2c-87785043029e.mp3" length="119687497" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>216</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>216</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/dad3eaa0-53a9-4b26-a684-68a00b1578b4/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>215: Why will no-one play with me?</title><itunes:title>215: Why will no-one play with me?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Discover insights on why no one will play with your child and explore effective strategies for building social skills in children</h1>
Does your child have big emotional blow-ups in social situations?

&nbsp;

Are they a wallflower who doesn't know how to make friends?

&nbsp;

Do they struggle to understand when it's appropriate to interrupt, tell the truth, and follow the rules vs. let things go.

&nbsp;

I've been interested in neurodivergence for a while - I'm hoping to do an episode soon on parenting with ADHD, and in the course of research for that a parent in the Parenting Membership recommended the book <em>Why Will No-One Play With Me</em>.

&nbsp;

The book is designed to help parents teach their children social skills - and I do think it has some useful ideas in it, but there are some pretty big caveats.

&nbsp;

This episode takes a look at the broader set of research on teaching children social skills to ask whether we CAN do it, and if we can, whether we SHOULD do it, and if we should, what kinds of tools should we use? The popular Social Stories method? Role plays? Peer coaching?

&nbsp;
<h2>This episode answers questions like:</h2>
<ul><li>What types of teaching are likely to be beneficial?</li><li>How can we teach social skills to Autistic children and children with ADHD, as well as neurotypical children?</li><li>What are the potential later-life impacts of lagging social skills (and do what we miss when we look at it from this perspective)?</li><li>At what age range is teaching social skills is most likely to succeed?</li><li>How can we know<em>whether</em>we should teach a child social skills?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li></ul><br/>
<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:52 Introducing the topic for this episode

02:59 Social skills programs show small, temporary effects and are more effective when led by experts, with mixed results for neurodivergent children.

09:38 Programs to teach social skills often try to change how neurodivergent kids act and they don't always work well.

24:01 Dr. Carol Gray's Social Stories ™ help children, especially those with autism, understand social situations without directly aiming to change their behavior.

28:59 Terra Vance's adaptations of Social Stories ™ highlight how they sometimes fail to address children's real experiences and emotions.

33:28 Research on parent-led interventions for children with ADHD and autism vary in effectiveness.

43:24 The book "Why Will No One Play With Me" doesn't provide specific references to support its ideas, making it unclear if they're based on research or opinion.

46:30 Teaching social skills includes managing emotions, understanding social norms, and practicing simulations for better responses.

50:49 The "Play Better Bridge to Betterment" model in <em>Why Will No One Play With Me</em> categorizes children's readiness for change into stages: pre-contemplation, contemplation, preparation, action, and maintenance. It emphasizes that children may need support to recognize and modify behaviors.

53:10 Caroline Maguire's approach in "Why Will No One Play With Me" mirrors problem-solving methods, yet it prioritizes a reward system over understanding children's underlying needs.

55:02 Maguire's method in "Why Will No One Play With Me" uses rewards to shape children's behavior, raising concerns about parental control and consent in interactions with their children.

56:46 Maguire's book concludes with exercises aimed at understanding social interactions and unspoken rules, but it raises concerns about imposing norms without considering individual needs and communication styles.

01:02:41 Maguire's book discusses challenges with school communication norms favoring concise storytelling, which often align with White communication styles.

01:06:11 Social skills training often overlooks children's consent and preferences, focusing instead on adult-determined goals, which may affect trust and authenticity in social interactions.

&nbsp;
<h3>References</h3>
Autistically Alex (2019, April 1). Autism Speaks… Blog post. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://autisticallyalex.com/2019/04/01/autisticorganizations/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR10yNr3UglHOUWRGWJMfp_uMpyxpfAtXMw99wSyTgMg8BvBmFSoaPko7iE_aem_AU39ONZlb1_LzKuEMMXqgiicT3Vb-tICXVSQowCO3RsQvHAmymztsPxNO0P7mN8voYq6oFbq5Ji0aN19xc6ddW0Z">https://autisticallyalex.com/2019/04/01/autisticorganizations/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR10yNr3UglHOUWRGWJMfp_uMpyxpfAtXMw99wSyTgMg8BvBmFSoaPko7iE_aem_AU39ONZlb1_LzKuEMMXqgiicT3Vb-tICXVSQowCO3RsQvHAmymztsPxNO0P7mN8voYq6oFbq5Ji0aN19xc6ddW0Z</a>

<hr />

Beelmann, A., &amp; Losel, F. (2021). A comprehensive meta-analysis of randomized evaluations of the effect of child social skills training on antisocial development. Journal of Developmental and Life-Course Criminology (7), 41-65.

<hr />

Capodeci, A., Rivetti, T., &amp; Cornoldi, C. (2019). A cooperative learning classroom intervention for increasing peers’ acceptance of children with ADHD. Journal of Attention Disorders 23(3), 282-292.

<hr />

Chan, J., Lang, R., Rispoli, M., O’Reilly, M., Sigafoos, J., &amp; Cole, H. (2009). Use of peer-mediated interventions in the treatment of autism spectrum disorders: A systematic review. Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders 3(4), 876-889.

<hr />

de Mooij, B., Fekkes, M., Scholte, R.H.J., &amp; Overbeek, G. (2020). Effective components of social skills training programs for children and adolescents in nonclinical samples: A multilevel meta-analysis. Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review 23: 250-264.sorder. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 42, 1895-1905.

<hr />

Dekker, V., Nauta, M. H., Timmerman, M. E., Mulder, E. J., van der Veen-Mulders, L., van den Hoofdakker, B. J., ... &amp; de Bildt, A. (2019). Social skills group training in children with autism spectrum disorder: a randomized controlled trial. European Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry 28, 415-424.

<hr />

Dogan, R.K., King, M.L., Fischetti, A.T., Lake, C.M., Mathews, T.L., &amp; Warzak, W.J. (2017). Parent-implemented behavioral skills training of social skills. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis 50, 805-818.

<hr />

Find Yaser (2016, April 20). I am Autism commercial by Autism Speaks. Autism Speaks. Retrieved from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&amp;v=9UgLnWJFGHQ

<hr />

Haack, L.M., Villodas, M., McBurnett, K., Hinshaw, S., &amp; Pfiffner, L.J. (2017). Parenting as a mechanism of change in psychosocial treatment for youth with ADHD, predominantly Inattentive presentation. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 45(5), 841-855.

<hr />

Kasari, C., Rotehram-Fuller, E. Locke, J., &amp; Gulsrud, A. (2011). Making the connection: Randomized controlled trial of social skills at school for children with autism spectrum disorders. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 53(4), 431-439.

<hr />

Locke, J., Rotheram-Fuller, E., &amp; Kasari, C. (2012). Exploring the social impact of being a typical peer model for included children with autism spectrum disorder. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 42, 1985-1905.

<hr />

Mathews, T.L., Erkfritz-Gay, K., Knight, J., Lancaster, B.M., &amp; Kupzyk, K.A. (2013). The effects of social skills training on children with Autism Spectrum Disorders and Disruptive Behavior Disorders. Children’s Health Care 42: 311-332.

<hr />

Meadan, H., Ostrosky, M.M., Zaghlawan, H.Y., &amp; Yu, SY. (2009). Promoting the social and communicative behavior of young children with Autism Spectrum Disorders. Topics in Early Childhood Speical Education 29(2), 90-104.

<hr />

Milne, C.M., Leaf, J.B., Cihon, J.H., Ferguson, J.L., McEachin, J., &amp; Leaf, R. (2020). What is the proof now? An updated methodological review of research on social stories. Education and Training in Autism and Developmental Disabilities 55(3), 264-276.

<hr />

Morris, S., Sheen, J., Ling, M., Foley, D., &amp; Sciberras, E. (2021). Interventions for adolescents with ADHD to improve peer social functioning: A systematic review and meta-analysis. Journal of Attention Disorders 25(10), 1479-1496.

<hr />

National Center for Education Statistics (2020). Race and ethnicity of public school teachers and their students. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2020/2020103/index.asp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2020/2020103/index.asp</a>

<hr />

Newby, R.F., Discher, M., &amp; Roman, M.A. (1991). Parent training for families of children with ADHD. School Psychology Review 20(2), 252-265.

<hr />

Nordby, E.S., Guribye, F., Nordgreen, T., &amp; Lundervold, A.J. (2023). Silver linings of ADHD: A thematic analysis of adults’ positive experiences with living with ADHD. BMN Open 13(10): e072052.

<hr />

Pfiffner, L.J., Mikami, A.Y., Huang-Pollock, C., Easterlin, B., Zalecki, C., &amp; McBurnett, K. (2007). A randomized, controlled trial of integrated home-school behavioral treatment for ADHD, predominantly Inattentive style. Journal of the American Academy of Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry 46(8), 1041-1050.

<hr />

Schramm, S.A., Hennig, T., &amp; Linderkamp, F. (2016). Training problem-solving and organizational skills in adolescents with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder: A randomized controlled trial. Journal of...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Discover insights on why no one will play with your child and explore effective strategies for building social skills in children</h1>
Does your child have big emotional blow-ups in social situations?

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Are they a wallflower who doesn't know how to make friends?

&nbsp;

Do they struggle to understand when it's appropriate to interrupt, tell the truth, and follow the rules vs. let things go.

&nbsp;

I've been interested in neurodivergence for a while - I'm hoping to do an episode soon on parenting with ADHD, and in the course of research for that a parent in the Parenting Membership recommended the book <em>Why Will No-One Play With Me</em>.

&nbsp;

The book is designed to help parents teach their children social skills - and I do think it has some useful ideas in it, but there are some pretty big caveats.

&nbsp;

This episode takes a look at the broader set of research on teaching children social skills to ask whether we CAN do it, and if we can, whether we SHOULD do it, and if we should, what kinds of tools should we use? The popular Social Stories method? Role plays? Peer coaching?

&nbsp;
<h2>This episode answers questions like:</h2>
<ul><li>What types of teaching are likely to be beneficial?</li><li>How can we teach social skills to Autistic children and children with ADHD, as well as neurotypical children?</li><li>What are the potential later-life impacts of lagging social skills (and do what we miss when we look at it from this perspective)?</li><li>At what age range is teaching social skills is most likely to succeed?</li><li>How can we know<em>whether</em>we should teach a child social skills?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li></ul><br/>
<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:52 Introducing the topic for this episode

02:59 Social skills programs show small, temporary effects and are more effective when led by experts, with mixed results for neurodivergent children.

09:38 Programs to teach social skills often try to change how neurodivergent kids act and they don't always work well.

24:01 Dr. Carol Gray's Social Stories ™ help children, especially those with autism, understand social situations without directly aiming to change their behavior.

28:59 Terra Vance's adaptations of Social Stories ™ highlight how they sometimes fail to address children's real experiences and emotions.

33:28 Research on parent-led interventions for children with ADHD and autism vary in effectiveness.

43:24 The book "Why Will No One Play With Me" doesn't provide specific references to support its ideas, making it unclear if they're based on research or opinion.

46:30 Teaching social skills includes managing emotions, understanding social norms, and practicing simulations for better responses.

50:49 The "Play Better Bridge to Betterment" model in <em>Why Will No One Play With Me</em> categorizes children's readiness for change into stages: pre-contemplation, contemplation, preparation, action, and maintenance. It emphasizes that children may need support to recognize and modify behaviors.

53:10 Caroline Maguire's approach in "Why Will No One Play With Me" mirrors problem-solving methods, yet it prioritizes a reward system over understanding children's underlying needs.

55:02 Maguire's method in "Why Will No One Play With Me" uses rewards to shape children's behavior, raising concerns about parental control and consent in interactions with their children.

56:46 Maguire's book concludes with exercises aimed at understanding social interactions and unspoken rules, but it raises concerns about imposing norms without considering individual needs and communication styles.

01:02:41 Maguire's book discusses challenges with school communication norms favoring concise storytelling, which often align with White communication styles.

01:06:11 Social skills training often overlooks children's consent and preferences, focusing instead on adult-determined goals, which may affect trust and authenticity in social interactions.

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<h3>References</h3>
Autistically Alex (2019, April 1). Autism Speaks… Blog post. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://autisticallyalex.com/2019/04/01/autisticorganizations/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR10yNr3UglHOUWRGWJMfp_uMpyxpfAtXMw99wSyTgMg8BvBmFSoaPko7iE_aem_AU39ONZlb1_LzKuEMMXqgiicT3Vb-tICXVSQowCO3RsQvHAmymztsPxNO0P7mN8voYq6oFbq5Ji0aN19xc6ddW0Z">https://autisticallyalex.com/2019/04/01/autisticorganizations/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR10yNr3UglHOUWRGWJMfp_uMpyxpfAtXMw99wSyTgMg8BvBmFSoaPko7iE_aem_AU39ONZlb1_LzKuEMMXqgiicT3Vb-tICXVSQowCO3RsQvHAmymztsPxNO0P7mN8voYq6oFbq5Ji0aN19xc6ddW0Z</a>

<hr />

Beelmann, A., &amp; Losel, F. (2021). A comprehensive meta-analysis of randomized evaluations of the effect of child social skills training on antisocial development. Journal of Developmental and Life-Course Criminology (7), 41-65.

<hr />

Capodeci, A., Rivetti, T., &amp; Cornoldi, C. (2019). A cooperative learning classroom intervention for increasing peers’ acceptance of children with ADHD. Journal of Attention Disorders 23(3), 282-292.

<hr />

Chan, J., Lang, R., Rispoli, M., O’Reilly, M., Sigafoos, J., &amp; Cole, H. (2009). Use of peer-mediated interventions in the treatment of autism spectrum disorders: A systematic review. Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders 3(4), 876-889.

<hr />

de Mooij, B., Fekkes, M., Scholte, R.H.J., &amp; Overbeek, G. (2020). Effective components of social skills training programs for children and adolescents in nonclinical samples: A multilevel meta-analysis. Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review 23: 250-264.sorder. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 42, 1895-1905.

<hr />

Dekker, V., Nauta, M. H., Timmerman, M. E., Mulder, E. J., van der Veen-Mulders, L., van den Hoofdakker, B. J., ... &amp; de Bildt, A. (2019). Social skills group training in children with autism spectrum disorder: a randomized controlled trial. European Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry 28, 415-424.

<hr />

Dogan, R.K., King, M.L., Fischetti, A.T., Lake, C.M., Mathews, T.L., &amp; Warzak, W.J. (2017). Parent-implemented behavioral skills training of social skills. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis 50, 805-818.

<hr />

Find Yaser (2016, April 20). I am Autism commercial by Autism Speaks. Autism Speaks. Retrieved from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&amp;v=9UgLnWJFGHQ

<hr />

Haack, L.M., Villodas, M., McBurnett, K., Hinshaw, S., &amp; Pfiffner, L.J. (2017). Parenting as a mechanism of change in psychosocial treatment for youth with ADHD, predominantly Inattentive presentation. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 45(5), 841-855.

<hr />

Kasari, C., Rotehram-Fuller, E. Locke, J., &amp; Gulsrud, A. (2011). Making the connection: Randomized controlled trial of social skills at school for children with autism spectrum disorders. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 53(4), 431-439.

<hr />

Locke, J., Rotheram-Fuller, E., &amp; Kasari, C. (2012). Exploring the social impact of being a typical peer model for included children with autism spectrum disorder. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 42, 1985-1905.

<hr />

Mathews, T.L., Erkfritz-Gay, K., Knight, J., Lancaster, B.M., &amp; Kupzyk, K.A. (2013). The effects of social skills training on children with Autism Spectrum Disorders and Disruptive Behavior Disorders. Children’s Health Care 42: 311-332.

<hr />

Meadan, H., Ostrosky, M.M., Zaghlawan, H.Y., &amp; Yu, SY. (2009). Promoting the social and communicative behavior of young children with Autism Spectrum Disorders. Topics in Early Childhood Speical Education 29(2), 90-104.

<hr />

Milne, C.M., Leaf, J.B., Cihon, J.H., Ferguson, J.L., McEachin, J., &amp; Leaf, R. (2020). What is the proof now? An updated methodological review of research on social stories. Education and Training in Autism and Developmental Disabilities 55(3), 264-276.

<hr />

Morris, S., Sheen, J., Ling, M., Foley, D., &amp; Sciberras, E. (2021). Interventions for adolescents with ADHD to improve peer social functioning: A systematic review and meta-analysis. Journal of Attention Disorders 25(10), 1479-1496.

<hr />

National Center for Education Statistics (2020). Race and ethnicity of public school teachers and their students. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2020/2020103/index.asp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2020/2020103/index.asp</a>

<hr />

Newby, R.F., Discher, M., &amp; Roman, M.A. (1991). Parent training for families of children with ADHD. School Psychology Review 20(2), 252-265.

<hr />

Nordby, E.S., Guribye, F., Nordgreen, T., &amp; Lundervold, A.J. (2023). Silver linings of ADHD: A thematic analysis of adults’ positive experiences with living with ADHD. BMN Open 13(10): e072052.

<hr />

Pfiffner, L.J., Mikami, A.Y., Huang-Pollock, C., Easterlin, B., Zalecki, C., &amp; McBurnett, K. (2007). A randomized, controlled trial of integrated home-school behavioral treatment for ADHD, predominantly Inattentive style. Journal of the American Academy of Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry 46(8), 1041-1050.

<hr />

Schramm, S.A., Hennig, T., &amp; Linderkamp, F. (2016). Training problem-solving and organizational skills in adolescents with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder: A randomized controlled trial. Journal of Cognitive Education and Psychology 15(3), 391-411.

<hr />

Stewart, K.K., Carr, J.E., &amp; LeBlanc, Linda A. (2007). Evaluation of family-implemented behavioral skills training for teaching social skills to a child with Asperger’s Disorder. Clinical Case Studies 6(3), 252-262.

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Storebo, O.J., Gluud, C., Winkel, P., &amp; Simonsen, E. (2012). Social-skills and parental training plus standard treatment versus standard treatment for children with ADHD – The randomized SOSTRA trial. PLoS One 7(6), e37280.

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Storebø OJ, Elmose Andersen M, Skoog M, Joost Hansen S, Simonsen E, Pedersen N, Tendal B, Callesen HE, Faltinsen E, Gluud C. Social skills training for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in children aged 5 to 18 years. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2019, Issue 6. Art. No.: CD008223

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Vance, T. (2020, December 4). Social Stories for Autism and the harm they can cause. Blog post. Neuroclastic. Retrieved from: <a href="https://neuroclastic.com/social-stories-for-autism/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2CsSDrXGEGnKU-UOkDmGrziEFZZ0xRvDfQ9rIKYBzdk5tuZnq9lVCsXpM_aem_AU1ZF-3Kywuop5TXQbTRBIQD3UUBS7hGRY8Ik72rirtuw0ZLxIPGxMQyW4a3cXCRY5T9P5EZQxbzrlwwCvYOiJbp">https://neuroclastic.com/social-stories-for-autism/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2CsSDrXGEGnKU-UOkDmGrziEFZZ0xRvDfQ9rIKYBzdk5tuZnq9lVCsXpM_aem_AU1ZF-3Kywuop5TXQbTRBIQD3UUBS7hGRY8Ik72rirtuw0ZLxIPGxMQyW4a3cXCRY5T9P5EZQxbzrlwwCvYOiJbp</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/whywillnooneplaywithme]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d6235e5c-d42e-4139-b7b1-6a2c244058ad</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d6235e5c-d42e-4139-b7b1-6a2c244058ad.mp3" length="71087689" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:14:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>215</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>215</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/386aa3c6-9927-4811-8663-b7dc400b700d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>214: Ask Alvin Anything: Part 2</title><itunes:title>214: Ask Alvin Anything: Part 2</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Exploring Marriage, Autism, Race, and Parenting Together</h1>
Want to know how my autism self-diagnosis has affected my relationship with my husband? (I will apologize to autistic listeners here as an ableist perspective is still something we're working on, and he also uses some outdated terminology probably from an old book he's started twice - but not yet finished - on supporting partners with Asperger's Syndrome.)

&nbsp;

Curious about whether he identifies as Filipino-American... or not? And how his perspective on race differs from mine?

&nbsp;

Want to hear how he sent a chicken up into space...and then found out what the two pink lines of a pregnancy test mean?

&nbsp;

Last year, when we were coming up on our 200th podcast episode, I asked my husband, Alvin, if he would be willing to record a podcast episode. I had envisioned listeners asking the questions and him answering - but he wanted me to join as well!

&nbsp;

One of the first things we learned was that Alvin cannot be succinct. (Well, technically speaking, this was not a new lesson for me - and interviewer Iris had tried really hard to prepare him for succinctness by asking for his 'elevator pitch' - but he just couldn't do it!)

&nbsp;

So we ended up cutting the episode when it was already over an hour, and we hadn't covered half of the questions listeners had submitted...and interviewers Iris and Corrine graciously agreed to return for a Part 2. So here it is!

&nbsp;
<h3>Other episodes mentioned</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/askalvinpart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">200: Ask Alvin Anything (Part 1!)</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:22 Introducing this episode

04:28 Alvin talks about how Jen's autism diagnosis helps their relationship, while Jen shares how it helps in their daily life and parenting.

12:47 Alvin and Jen talk about how they decided to become parents.

25:10 Alvin discusses his upbringing in a predominantly White area, his evolving awareness of his Filipino heritage, and how his wife Jen's advocacy work has shaped his understanding of race and culture.

38:13 Alvin talks about his journey from wanting to be seen as White to embracing his Filipino heritage and identifying as a Brown person.

46:32 Alvin encourages dads to be actively involved in parenting, prioritize their partners, and be present in family life.

57:15 Alvin and the hosts engage in a quickfire round of questions, discussing topics from parenting to personal preferences.

01:00:50 Wrapping up]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Exploring Marriage, Autism, Race, and Parenting Together</h1>
Want to know how my autism self-diagnosis has affected my relationship with my husband? (I will apologize to autistic listeners here as an ableist perspective is still something we're working on, and he also uses some outdated terminology probably from an old book he's started twice - but not yet finished - on supporting partners with Asperger's Syndrome.)

&nbsp;

Curious about whether he identifies as Filipino-American... or not? And how his perspective on race differs from mine?

&nbsp;

Want to hear how he sent a chicken up into space...and then found out what the two pink lines of a pregnancy test mean?

&nbsp;

Last year, when we were coming up on our 200th podcast episode, I asked my husband, Alvin, if he would be willing to record a podcast episode. I had envisioned listeners asking the questions and him answering - but he wanted me to join as well!

&nbsp;

One of the first things we learned was that Alvin cannot be succinct. (Well, technically speaking, this was not a new lesson for me - and interviewer Iris had tried really hard to prepare him for succinctness by asking for his 'elevator pitch' - but he just couldn't do it!)

&nbsp;

So we ended up cutting the episode when it was already over an hour, and we hadn't covered half of the questions listeners had submitted...and interviewers Iris and Corrine graciously agreed to return for a Part 2. So here it is!

&nbsp;
<h3>Other episodes mentioned</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/askalvinpart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">200: Ask Alvin Anything (Part 1!)</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:22 Introducing this episode

04:28 Alvin talks about how Jen's autism diagnosis helps their relationship, while Jen shares how it helps in their daily life and parenting.

12:47 Alvin and Jen talk about how they decided to become parents.

25:10 Alvin discusses his upbringing in a predominantly White area, his evolving awareness of his Filipino heritage, and how his wife Jen's advocacy work has shaped his understanding of race and culture.

38:13 Alvin talks about his journey from wanting to be seen as White to embracing his Filipino heritage and identifying as a Brown person.

46:32 Alvin encourages dads to be actively involved in parenting, prioritize their partners, and be present in family life.

57:15 Alvin and the hosts engage in a quickfire round of questions, discussing topics from parenting to personal preferences.

01:00:50 Wrapping up]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/askalvinpart2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">73d393d4-a342-46c6-9367-cabd0e3cb24e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/73d393d4-a342-46c6-9367-cabd0e3cb24e.mp3" length="63254857" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:05:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>214</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>214</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8a9f06a6-2c2a-45bd-9551-7767a0be89ec/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>213: How to stop using power over your child (and still get things done)</title><itunes:title>213: How to stop using power over your child (and still get things done)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>Ditch Punishments and Rewards for Respectful Parenting</h2>
Do you hate punishing (with Time Outs, withdrawing privileges, or even yelling at) your child?

&nbsp;

Do you feel guilty after you punish them, wishing there was a way to just get them to <em>listen</em>?

&nbsp;

And do bribes ("If you brush your teeth now, you can have 5 minutes of screen time...") feel just as awful?

&nbsp;

But what other choice do you have? Your kids don't listen now, so how could not rewarding and punishing them possibly help?

&nbsp;

That's what parent Dr. Houri Parsi thought when I first met her. (Houri's doctorate is in clinical psychology, focused on behaviorist-based reward and punishment systems.) She wasn't ready to believe that abandoning the tools she'd been trained in would create a better outcome, when she measured her success as a parent by whether she got immediate compliance from her children.

&nbsp;

She ended up not <em>completely</em> abandoning these tools - because they still fit within her vision and values for her family (her vision is a bit different from mine, which is OK! The important thing is that she is living in alignment with <em>her </em>values!).

&nbsp;

But Houri's relationship with her children is profoundly different today than it was a couple of years ago. Her children have deep insight into their feelings and needs, and most of the time they're able to find ways to meet all of their needs. <strong>She no longer uses her power over them to get their immediate compliance - and that doesn't mean she gets walked all over either.</strong>

&nbsp;

Houri sees that this approach has built a deep reservoir of trust in their relationship - but occasionally a parent will slip, and will force the children to do something they aren't ready for. When you hear Houri describe how her daughter punished her husband for forcing an injection before she was ready, you might never look at your own child's misbehavior the same way again.

&nbsp;

You'll even find a new way to approach the age-old struggle of tooth brushing in this conversation that gets Houri's childrens' teeth brushed every morning without a fight!

&nbsp;

If you'd like to ditch the rewards and punishments (and also know that the teeth will still get brushed!) then I'd love to help you make that happen.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>You'll get:</strong>
<ul><li>A new module of content every month</li><li>Access to an amazing community of supportive parents, in what they've described as "the least judgmental corner of the internet"</li><li>Answers to your questions in the community, via a video, or a 1:1 consult for especially thorny issues (recorded to share with the community; there's a library of these available for you to watch as well)</li><li>Group coaching calls where I'll coach you live on your specific challenges (or you can lurk if you prefer...)</li><li>ACTion groups: Up to five parents and an experienced peer coach meet weekly to help you plan how you'll achieve your vision</li><li>A 20 minute 1:1 call with community manager Denise right after you sign up, so she can direct you to the resources that will help you most!</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

It's gentle parenting that's also gentle on you (and isn't permissive!). The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

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&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/">009: Do you punish your child with rewards?</a>

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:53 Introducing this episode’s topic and guest

04:09 Dr. Houri Parsi has been applying evidence-based parenting methods from the Your Parenting Mojo podcast for two years.

08:54 Dr. Houri talks about their initial parenting beliefs and later exploring respectful and mindful approaches as their children grew older.

16:24 Dr. Houri changed her parenting approach after joining the Parenting Membership, moving away from using rewards or punishments and focusing on understanding and trusting their children's needs instead.

27:11 Dr. Houri initially struggled with giving up rewards and punishments due to her behaviorism background but eventually shifted her parenting approach, opting for a collaborative and respectful parenting style.

39:46 Dr. Houri discussed her parenting style, focusing on aligning with personal values rather than enforcing compliance.

52:18 Dr. Houri encouraged parents to shift from guilt-driven authority to collaborative parenting.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Ditch Punishments and Rewards for Respectful Parenting</h2>
Do you hate punishing (with Time Outs, withdrawing privileges, or even yelling at) your child?

&nbsp;

Do you feel guilty after you punish them, wishing there was a way to just get them to <em>listen</em>?

&nbsp;

And do bribes ("If you brush your teeth now, you can have 5 minutes of screen time...") feel just as awful?

&nbsp;

But what other choice do you have? Your kids don't listen now, so how could not rewarding and punishing them possibly help?

&nbsp;

That's what parent Dr. Houri Parsi thought when I first met her. (Houri's doctorate is in clinical psychology, focused on behaviorist-based reward and punishment systems.) She wasn't ready to believe that abandoning the tools she'd been trained in would create a better outcome, when she measured her success as a parent by whether she got immediate compliance from her children.

&nbsp;

She ended up not <em>completely</em> abandoning these tools - because they still fit within her vision and values for her family (her vision is a bit different from mine, which is OK! The important thing is that she is living in alignment with <em>her </em>values!).

&nbsp;

But Houri's relationship with her children is profoundly different today than it was a couple of years ago. Her children have deep insight into their feelings and needs, and most of the time they're able to find ways to meet all of their needs. <strong>She no longer uses her power over them to get their immediate compliance - and that doesn't mean she gets walked all over either.</strong>

&nbsp;

Houri sees that this approach has built a deep reservoir of trust in their relationship - but occasionally a parent will slip, and will force the children to do something they aren't ready for. When you hear Houri describe how her daughter punished her husband for forcing an injection before she was ready, you might never look at your own child's misbehavior the same way again.

&nbsp;

You'll even find a new way to approach the age-old struggle of tooth brushing in this conversation that gets Houri's childrens' teeth brushed every morning without a fight!

&nbsp;

If you'd like to ditch the rewards and punishments (and also know that the teeth will still get brushed!) then I'd love to help you make that happen.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>You'll get:</strong>
<ul><li>A new module of content every month</li><li>Access to an amazing community of supportive parents, in what they've described as "the least judgmental corner of the internet"</li><li>Answers to your questions in the community, via a video, or a 1:1 consult for especially thorny issues (recorded to share with the community; there's a library of these available for you to watch as well)</li><li>Group coaching calls where I'll coach you live on your specific challenges (or you can lurk if you prefer...)</li><li>ACTion groups: Up to five parents and an experienced peer coach meet weekly to help you plan how you'll achieve your vision</li><li>A 20 minute 1:1 call with community manager Denise right after you sign up, so she can direct you to the resources that will help you most!</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

It's gentle parenting that's also gentle on you (and isn't permissive!). The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/">009: Do you punish your child with rewards?</a>

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:53 Introducing this episode’s topic and guest

04:09 Dr. Houri Parsi has been applying evidence-based parenting methods from the Your Parenting Mojo podcast for two years.

08:54 Dr. Houri talks about their initial parenting beliefs and later exploring respectful and mindful approaches as their children grew older.

16:24 Dr. Houri changed her parenting approach after joining the Parenting Membership, moving away from using rewards or punishments and focusing on understanding and trusting their children's needs instead.

27:11 Dr. Houri initially struggled with giving up rewards and punishments due to her behaviorism background but eventually shifted her parenting approach, opting for a collaborative and respectful parenting style.

39:46 Dr. Houri discussed her parenting style, focusing on aligning with personal values rather than enforcing compliance.

52:18 Dr. Houri encouraged parents to shift from guilt-driven authority to collaborative parenting.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/stopusingpower]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">44978a19-243b-42f7-a432-0898fb4e01d9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/44978a19-243b-42f7-a432-0898fb4e01d9.mp3" length="59416009" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>213</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>213</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/54e53c4a-1537-4015-9107-3f5d8e4ae567/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>212: How to make the sustainable change you want to see in your family</title><itunes:title>212: How to make the sustainable change you want to see in your family</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h2>Sustainable Family Change: Parenting Framework for Lasting Results</h2>
Here's a little thought exercise: think back to what you were doing this time last year, right around Mother's Day (in the U.S...I know it has already passed in other places!).

&nbsp;

What kinds of things were your children doing that were really endearing?

&nbsp;

What kinds of things were they doing that drove you up the wall?

&nbsp;

What kinds of fights (resistance, back-talk, stalling, tantrums, etc.) were you having with them a year ago?

&nbsp;

Are you still having those same fights now (or variations on them)?

&nbsp;

Do you wish you weren't still having those fights? That you could get out of the endless cycle of trying an idea you saw on Instagram, seeing a small change, and backsliding to where you were before?

&nbsp;

Do you have all the tools you need so that a year from now you can look back and know, without any shadow of a doubt, that <strong>things are different now</strong>?

&nbsp;

Today I'm going to introduce you to several parents who have made exactly this shift, and a framework you can use to make it for yourself.

&nbsp;

It's not complicated. There are only five elements to it, and when they're all in place you can make sustainable change in parenting, as well as your own personal issues, work, and anything else you like.

&nbsp;

It really is very possible to make sustainable family change in parenting happen by yourself. But all of the five elements have to be in place, and operating consistently, to make it work.

&nbsp;

<strong>Losing focus on each one of the elements creates a different outcome, none of which are good:</strong>
<ul><li>Confusion</li><li>Anxiety</li><li>Making slow progress</li><li>Frustration</li><li>Being on a treadmill</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you can see already that one or more of these things are happening for you, the Parenting Membership will help you make the kind of sustainable change you want to see in your family.

The first thing you'll do after you join is have a 20-minute private call with my community manager, Denise, who will see which element you're struggling with the most right now, and connect you to specific resources to help.

&nbsp;

<strong>Many of the parents who signed up this time last year are now in an entirely different place. Things like this are happening:</strong>
<ul><li>Their<em>preschoolers</em>can use a picture-based list to accurately identify their own feelings and needs;</li><li>Parents are recognizing how their own actions are creating shame in their children, and are working to address this;</li><li>Parents see which parts of their co-parenting struggles are theirs to own, instead of blaming their difficulties on their co-parents;</li><li>They can also see which parts are<em>not</em>theirs to own, make requests to get their needs met, and practice accepting their co-parent for who they are;</li><li>Siblings are fighting less, because they understand each other's needs and can find strategies to meet both of their needs.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Of course these parents still have hard days...but <em>none</em> of them looks back on who they were a year ago and thinks: <em>"Aside from the fact that my kids are older, I don't really know what's different now from what it was a year ago."</em>

&nbsp;

I want this kind of sustainable family change for you, too. It's so much more than taking a short course to learn a new skill. It's a fundamentally different way of being in the world.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/manners/">042: How to teach a child to use manners</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/findyourself/">206: How to find yourself as a parent</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/learningincommunity/">210: The power of learning in community</a></li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>Resources mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Sustainable-Change-Diagram.pdf">Sustainable Change Diagram</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:56 Introducing today’s topic

02:01 Parent Niloufar's positive transformation in parenting through the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

08:56 Parent Lucinda, a member for five years, shares how the membership transformed her self-awareness and empathy towards others' needs.

14:21 The elements of sustainable family change in parenting: vision, skills, motivation, resources, and a plan

15:02 Understanding your family values can make parenting easier and more intentional.

21:14 Skills like managing behavior and communication help parents handle challenges.

33:10 Motivation drives positive changes and fosters resilience even in challenging situations.

36:07 Resources are vital for lasting change. The Parenting Membership helps align values with actions by making smart use of resources for meaningful progress and sustainable change.

42:10 A clear plan is essential for lasting change. It acts as a roadmap, guiding actions toward goals and ensuring alignment with values.

50:23 Invitation to the Parenting Membership

53:45 Member’s testimonials]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Sustainable Family Change: Parenting Framework for Lasting Results</h2>
Here's a little thought exercise: think back to what you were doing this time last year, right around Mother's Day (in the U.S...I know it has already passed in other places!).

&nbsp;

What kinds of things were your children doing that were really endearing?

&nbsp;

What kinds of things were they doing that drove you up the wall?

&nbsp;

What kinds of fights (resistance, back-talk, stalling, tantrums, etc.) were you having with them a year ago?

&nbsp;

Are you still having those same fights now (or variations on them)?

&nbsp;

Do you wish you weren't still having those fights? That you could get out of the endless cycle of trying an idea you saw on Instagram, seeing a small change, and backsliding to where you were before?

&nbsp;

Do you have all the tools you need so that a year from now you can look back and know, without any shadow of a doubt, that <strong>things are different now</strong>?

&nbsp;

Today I'm going to introduce you to several parents who have made exactly this shift, and a framework you can use to make it for yourself.

&nbsp;

It's not complicated. There are only five elements to it, and when they're all in place you can make sustainable change in parenting, as well as your own personal issues, work, and anything else you like.

&nbsp;

It really is very possible to make sustainable family change in parenting happen by yourself. But all of the five elements have to be in place, and operating consistently, to make it work.

&nbsp;

<strong>Losing focus on each one of the elements creates a different outcome, none of which are good:</strong>
<ul><li>Confusion</li><li>Anxiety</li><li>Making slow progress</li><li>Frustration</li><li>Being on a treadmill</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you can see already that one or more of these things are happening for you, the Parenting Membership will help you make the kind of sustainable change you want to see in your family.

The first thing you'll do after you join is have a 20-minute private call with my community manager, Denise, who will see which element you're struggling with the most right now, and connect you to specific resources to help.

&nbsp;

<strong>Many of the parents who signed up this time last year are now in an entirely different place. Things like this are happening:</strong>
<ul><li>Their<em>preschoolers</em>can use a picture-based list to accurately identify their own feelings and needs;</li><li>Parents are recognizing how their own actions are creating shame in their children, and are working to address this;</li><li>Parents see which parts of their co-parenting struggles are theirs to own, instead of blaming their difficulties on their co-parents;</li><li>They can also see which parts are<em>not</em>theirs to own, make requests to get their needs met, and practice accepting their co-parent for who they are;</li><li>Siblings are fighting less, because they understand each other's needs and can find strategies to meet both of their needs.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Of course these parents still have hard days...but <em>none</em> of them looks back on who they were a year ago and thinks: <em>"Aside from the fact that my kids are older, I don't really know what's different now from what it was a year ago."</em>

&nbsp;

I want this kind of sustainable family change for you, too. It's so much more than taking a short course to learn a new skill. It's a fundamentally different way of being in the world.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/manners/">042: How to teach a child to use manners</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/findyourself/">206: How to find yourself as a parent</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/learningincommunity/">210: The power of learning in community</a></li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>Resources mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Sustainable-Change-Diagram.pdf">Sustainable Change Diagram</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:56 Introducing today’s topic

02:01 Parent Niloufar's positive transformation in parenting through the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

08:56 Parent Lucinda, a member for five years, shares how the membership transformed her self-awareness and empathy towards others' needs.

14:21 The elements of sustainable family change in parenting: vision, skills, motivation, resources, and a plan

15:02 Understanding your family values can make parenting easier and more intentional.

21:14 Skills like managing behavior and communication help parents handle challenges.

33:10 Motivation drives positive changes and fosters resilience even in challenging situations.

36:07 Resources are vital for lasting change. The Parenting Membership helps align values with actions by making smart use of resources for meaningful progress and sustainable change.

42:10 A clear plan is essential for lasting change. It acts as a roadmap, guiding actions toward goals and ensuring alignment with values.

50:23 Invitation to the Parenting Membership

53:45 Member’s testimonials]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/sustainablechange]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">053858ea-6996-4c36-a81a-2b867d3ddd49</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/053858ea-6996-4c36-a81a-2b867d3ddd49.mp3" length="58057801" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:00:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>212</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>212</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b1770008-7c20-473d-9ace-46783deaa474/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>211: How to raise a child who doesn’t experience shame</title><itunes:title>211: How to raise a child who doesn’t experience shame</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Are there parts of yourself that you don't share with other people?

&nbsp;

Things that you think: "If people knew <em>that </em>about me, they wouldn't love me / they'd think I'm a terrible person / they wouldn't even want to be around me"?

&nbsp;

When you mess up, does it seem like it's not that you did a silly/bad thing, but that you are a stupid/bad person?

&nbsp;

If your answer to any of these questions is "yes," then <strong>you're experiencing shame.</strong>

&nbsp;

Almost all of the parents I work with are ashamed of some aspect of themselves...but not Dee.

&nbsp;

That's not to say that Dee never struggles - far from it. But her struggles seem to feel more manageable to her, and she has a sense of 'right'-ness about her.

&nbsp;

If Dee recognizes that she has a need, it never occurs to her to <em>not</em> ask for help from others in getting that need met.

&nbsp;

How did this happen? What implications does it have for how <em>we</em> can raise our children so they don't experience shame?

&nbsp;

In this episode, Dee shares her story and her top three ideas for raising children in a shame-free environment with us.

&nbsp;

If you realize that shame has been a huge part of your childhood (and even adulthood) and you're ready for help healing that so you can be the kind of parent you want to be, I do hope you'll join me (and Dee!) in the Parenting Membership.

&nbsp;

We don't just learn how to make parenting easier (although that is a big focus!). We also work to heal ourselves so we can show up as whole people in our own lives.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></strong></li><li><strong><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/SustainableChange">212: How to make the sustainable change you want to see</a></strong></li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introducing today’s topic and featured guest

6:31 Dee talks about her life, interests, and journey as a parent, including travel, family, and retirement plans.

09:24 Dee reflects on her supportive mom, who embraced their behavior as expressions of needs and valued their personalities.

12:39 Dee reflects on her nurturing upbringing, emphasizing the importance of feeling loved and accepted. This foundation drives her to seek intentional parenting strategies.

20:31 Dee learned to negotiate needs and boundaries with her child, leading to mutual respect and a harmonious dynamic.

30:39 Dee shares her experiences in the Parenting Membership community where she finds support and insights through coaching calls, ACTion group, and modules on topics that help her navigate parenting challenges and personal growth.

40:50 Through the Parenting Membership, Dee learned to address resentment, prioritize her needs, and communicate better with her partner for a healthier balance.

01:06:15 Three things Dee suggests for parents to try on based on the conversation.

01:09:39 Wrapping up]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Are there parts of yourself that you don't share with other people?

&nbsp;

Things that you think: "If people knew <em>that </em>about me, they wouldn't love me / they'd think I'm a terrible person / they wouldn't even want to be around me"?

&nbsp;

When you mess up, does it seem like it's not that you did a silly/bad thing, but that you are a stupid/bad person?

&nbsp;

If your answer to any of these questions is "yes," then <strong>you're experiencing shame.</strong>

&nbsp;

Almost all of the parents I work with are ashamed of some aspect of themselves...but not Dee.

&nbsp;

That's not to say that Dee never struggles - far from it. But her struggles seem to feel more manageable to her, and she has a sense of 'right'-ness about her.

&nbsp;

If Dee recognizes that she has a need, it never occurs to her to <em>not</em> ask for help from others in getting that need met.

&nbsp;

How did this happen? What implications does it have for how <em>we</em> can raise our children so they don't experience shame?

&nbsp;

In this episode, Dee shares her story and her top three ideas for raising children in a shame-free environment with us.

&nbsp;

If you realize that shame has been a huge part of your childhood (and even adulthood) and you're ready for help healing that so you can be the kind of parent you want to be, I do hope you'll join me (and Dee!) in the Parenting Membership.

&nbsp;

We don't just learn how to make parenting easier (although that is a big focus!). We also work to heal ourselves so we can show up as whole people in our own lives.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingpartners/">209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</a></strong></li><li><strong><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/SustainableChange">212: How to make the sustainable change you want to see</a></strong></li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introducing today’s topic and featured guest

6:31 Dee talks about her life, interests, and journey as a parent, including travel, family, and retirement plans.

09:24 Dee reflects on her supportive mom, who embraced their behavior as expressions of needs and valued their personalities.

12:39 Dee reflects on her nurturing upbringing, emphasizing the importance of feeling loved and accepted. This foundation drives her to seek intentional parenting strategies.

20:31 Dee learned to negotiate needs and boundaries with her child, leading to mutual respect and a harmonious dynamic.

30:39 Dee shares her experiences in the Parenting Membership community where she finds support and insights through coaching calls, ACTion group, and modules on topics that help her navigate parenting challenges and personal growth.

40:50 Through the Parenting Membership, Dee learned to address resentment, prioritize her needs, and communicate better with her partner for a healthier balance.

01:06:15 Three things Dee suggests for parents to try on based on the conversation.

01:09:39 Wrapping up]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/noshame]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d925de56-d970-46fb-bee4-e1af9d90e96b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d925de56-d970-46fb-bee4-e1af9d90e96b.mp3" length="75360841" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:18:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>211</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>211</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/3b544ebd-fbec-481a-a935-a5a70ecd3b7e/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>210: The power of learning in community</title><itunes:title>210: The power of learning in community</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you have a core group of parent friends who are always there for you? Friends who might not be <em>100% </em>aligned with your parenting philosophy, but they're close enough that you know that when they do offer suggestions you would at least consider doing them?

&nbsp;

And on the days when you just want to just vent and not hear any advice at all, you know that it'll be totally fine for you to vent. They won't take offense and they'll just empathize and reassure you that you aren't a terrible parent; you're a great parent having a difficult day - because they've seen you on your good days as well.

&nbsp;

In this episode I'll introduce you to SIX parents who have just this kind of relationship. Katherine, Rachel, Beth, Peju, and Kati live in the eastern United States and Jody is Australia, and they meet once a week on Zoom for 40 minutes, and each of them talks for just five minutes...and in that time, they've become incredibly close friends. The relationships they have with each other are among the deepest and most profound ones in their lives.

&nbsp;

If you need a supportive community like this in your life then I'd love to see you in the Parenting Membership, which is where Katherine, Rachel, Beth, Peju, Kati, and Jody met.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:43 Introducing today’s episode

03:19 The Parenting Membership features ACTion groups that meet weekly, offering valuable support and insights into effective parenting strategies.

04:50 The ACTion Group is about parents coming together weekly to share their parenting progress, challenges, and goals in a supportive and accountable environment.

19:21 The ACTion Group's collaborative problem-solving and support for parent Rachel's challenge with her son were showcased, emphasizing a collective effort in addressing parenting difficulties.

26:54 The ACTion Group supports Beth in addressing her holiday break challenge and need for rest, fostering solutions and self-awareness.

33:13 The ACTion Group helps Peju integrate changes by realizing the importance of apologizing to her son and holding herself accountable to her family values.

39:40 The Action Group explored Jody's challenges with his parents, highlighting the shift towards acceptance instead of forgiveness, leading to a sense of relief and reduced emotional reactivity for him.

47:11 The group shared how the ACTion group has positively impacted their parenting journey through accountability, celebration, and community support. They emphasized the non-judgmental environment, learning from each other's experiences, and the value of consistent participation in personal growth.

01:06:59 Invitation to join the Parenting Membership]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you have a core group of parent friends who are always there for you? Friends who might not be <em>100% </em>aligned with your parenting philosophy, but they're close enough that you know that when they do offer suggestions you would at least consider doing them?

&nbsp;

And on the days when you just want to just vent and not hear any advice at all, you know that it'll be totally fine for you to vent. They won't take offense and they'll just empathize and reassure you that you aren't a terrible parent; you're a great parent having a difficult day - because they've seen you on your good days as well.

&nbsp;

In this episode I'll introduce you to SIX parents who have just this kind of relationship. Katherine, Rachel, Beth, Peju, and Kati live in the eastern United States and Jody is Australia, and they meet once a week on Zoom for 40 minutes, and each of them talks for just five minutes...and in that time, they've become incredibly close friends. The relationships they have with each other are among the deepest and most profound ones in their lives.

&nbsp;

If you need a supportive community like this in your life then I'd love to see you in the Parenting Membership, which is where Katherine, Rachel, Beth, Peju, Kati, and Jody met.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:43 Introducing today’s episode

03:19 The Parenting Membership features ACTion groups that meet weekly, offering valuable support and insights into effective parenting strategies.

04:50 The ACTion Group is about parents coming together weekly to share their parenting progress, challenges, and goals in a supportive and accountable environment.

19:21 The ACTion Group's collaborative problem-solving and support for parent Rachel's challenge with her son were showcased, emphasizing a collective effort in addressing parenting difficulties.

26:54 The ACTion Group supports Beth in addressing her holiday break challenge and need for rest, fostering solutions and self-awareness.

33:13 The ACTion Group helps Peju integrate changes by realizing the importance of apologizing to her son and holding herself accountable to her family values.

39:40 The Action Group explored Jody's challenges with his parents, highlighting the shift towards acceptance instead of forgiveness, leading to a sense of relief and reduced emotional reactivity for him.

47:11 The group shared how the ACTion group has positively impacted their parenting journey through accountability, celebration, and community support. They emphasized the non-judgmental environment, learning from each other's experiences, and the value of consistent participation in personal growth.

01:06:59 Invitation to join the Parenting Membership]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningincommunity]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d30efdbd-f493-4050-bce2-15730307edd0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d30efdbd-f493-4050-bce2-15730307edd0.mp3" length="70161481" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:13:05</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>210</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>210</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/274afa6c-a81a-447d-8abd-07996dc33ee5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</title><itunes:title>209: How to get on the same page as your parenting partner</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you ever fight with your partner?

&nbsp;

Do you ever fight with your partner about parenting?

&nbsp;

(Pretty much all of the couples I work with do both of those things.)

&nbsp;

And these arguments tend to follow a pretty well-defined formula:
<ol><li>Child misbehaves.</li><li>Parent A gets overwhelmed,<strong>criticizes</strong>the child and snaps at Partner B for not doing more to help.</li><li>Parent B and says that clearly Parent A's 'better parenting approach' isn't working, since the kids are still misbehaving - this is<strong>contempt.</strong></li><li>Parent A knows they don't want to parent the way they were raised, and also knows they aren't doing things totally in alignment with their values right now. Parent A has done a lot of work to try to heal themselves, but worries that it isn't happening fast enough to protect their children. And isn't it better than the bribing and punishing that Parent B is doing? They're being<strong>defensive.</strong></li><li>Parent B<strong>stonewalls</strong>- they are overwhelmed and shuts down, refusing to talk about the issue.</li><li>Both partners walk away feeling frustrated, wonder how on earth it got to this point, and feel hopeless that it will ever improve.</li></ol><br/>
&nbsp;

If your fights look like this, I'm here to let you know that there is hope!

&nbsp;

Last year I did Levels 1 and 2 (of 3 levels) of Gottman Method training. The Gottman Method is basically the only evidence-based framework for couple's therapy.

&nbsp;

Drs. John &amp; Julie Gottman describe the main ways they see couples struggle in their communication, and named them the <strong>Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse - you saw all of them in the example above. </strong>

&nbsp;

How many of the Horsemen show up in<em> your</em> fights?

&nbsp;

(Criticism is almost always the first Horseman to arrive. Interrupt that, and you can communicate in entirely different ways.)

&nbsp;

If you wish there was a better way to communicate about these challenging issues with your partner so you could actually get on the same page and parent as a team, today's episode will show you how to do that.

&nbsp;

You'll see a couple, Dee and Jono, who usually walk away from each other in frustration after they discuss their roles in the family.

&nbsp;

In <em>this</em> conversation they use very different tools. We didn't completely resolve the issue, but they kept going with the conversation by themselves and gave me permission to also share Dee's report of what happened after the call - which was really magical!

&nbsp;

Learn more about how you can avoid using The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and what tools to use instead so you can actually discuss these kinds of difficult topics with your partner.

&nbsp;

It's really hard to learn these kinds of communication skills on your own. I'd actually read one of the Gottmans' books but didn't really see how to apply the ideas in my own relationship until I did their four-day training.

&nbsp;

During the training I realized that they use basically the same set of tools I use to help parents with their children's behavior, but with a couple of key weaknesses. So I recruited couples from the Parenting Membership and created a series of demo videos so you can learn the skills and see couples practicing them.

&nbsp;

There are cheat sheets, starter scripts, and quizzes to help you identify the Four Horsemen in real couples' arguments.

&nbsp;

Couples who have used these tools report not just that they're able to address their disagreements more easily, but they're having fewer squabbles in the first place because things just seem to 'flow' in a way they hadn't before.

&nbsp;

I'll coach you (live!) on how to use the tools with your own partner in the Parenting Membership.

&nbsp;

Discover how our Parenting Membership can provide invaluable support and guidance. Share this letter with your partner to help them understand the benefits of joining our community. Together, we can make parenting easier and more enjoyable.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

2<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">07: How to not be a permissive parent</a>
<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introducing today’s topic

02:27 The Parenting Membership's "Parenting As A Team" module, inspired by the Gottmans' research, provides valuable guidance on communication and relationships, empowering members with tools for stronger partnerships.

09:46 Introducing the historical approach to aiding couples in managing relationship challenges, along with the "Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" behaviors and their remedies

15:36 Dee and Jono engage in a coaching session, where CG, a non-professional coach, showcases her active listening skills. This session highlights the importance of validation and reflective listening in resolving conflicts and understanding perspectives, emphasizing the need for external support and skill-building within communities for improved communication and relationships.

32:48 Dee and Jono's coaching call led to commitments to nurture equality through daily appreciation, shared responsibilities, and seeking peer coaching for equitable partnership strategies.

40:07 Invitation to join the Parenting Membership]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you ever fight with your partner?

&nbsp;

Do you ever fight with your partner about parenting?

&nbsp;

(Pretty much all of the couples I work with do both of those things.)

&nbsp;

And these arguments tend to follow a pretty well-defined formula:
<ol><li>Child misbehaves.</li><li>Parent A gets overwhelmed,<strong>criticizes</strong>the child and snaps at Partner B for not doing more to help.</li><li>Parent B and says that clearly Parent A's 'better parenting approach' isn't working, since the kids are still misbehaving - this is<strong>contempt.</strong></li><li>Parent A knows they don't want to parent the way they were raised, and also knows they aren't doing things totally in alignment with their values right now. Parent A has done a lot of work to try to heal themselves, but worries that it isn't happening fast enough to protect their children. And isn't it better than the bribing and punishing that Parent B is doing? They're being<strong>defensive.</strong></li><li>Parent B<strong>stonewalls</strong>- they are overwhelmed and shuts down, refusing to talk about the issue.</li><li>Both partners walk away feeling frustrated, wonder how on earth it got to this point, and feel hopeless that it will ever improve.</li></ol><br/>
&nbsp;

If your fights look like this, I'm here to let you know that there is hope!

&nbsp;

Last year I did Levels 1 and 2 (of 3 levels) of Gottman Method training. The Gottman Method is basically the only evidence-based framework for couple's therapy.

&nbsp;

Drs. John &amp; Julie Gottman describe the main ways they see couples struggle in their communication, and named them the <strong>Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse - you saw all of them in the example above. </strong>

&nbsp;

How many of the Horsemen show up in<em> your</em> fights?

&nbsp;

(Criticism is almost always the first Horseman to arrive. Interrupt that, and you can communicate in entirely different ways.)

&nbsp;

If you wish there was a better way to communicate about these challenging issues with your partner so you could actually get on the same page and parent as a team, today's episode will show you how to do that.

&nbsp;

You'll see a couple, Dee and Jono, who usually walk away from each other in frustration after they discuss their roles in the family.

&nbsp;

In <em>this</em> conversation they use very different tools. We didn't completely resolve the issue, but they kept going with the conversation by themselves and gave me permission to also share Dee's report of what happened after the call - which was really magical!

&nbsp;

Learn more about how you can avoid using The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and what tools to use instead so you can actually discuss these kinds of difficult topics with your partner.

&nbsp;

It's really hard to learn these kinds of communication skills on your own. I'd actually read one of the Gottmans' books but didn't really see how to apply the ideas in my own relationship until I did their four-day training.

&nbsp;

During the training I realized that they use basically the same set of tools I use to help parents with their children's behavior, but with a couple of key weaknesses. So I recruited couples from the Parenting Membership and created a series of demo videos so you can learn the skills and see couples practicing them.

&nbsp;

There are cheat sheets, starter scripts, and quizzes to help you identify the Four Horsemen in real couples' arguments.

&nbsp;

Couples who have used these tools report not just that they're able to address their disagreements more easily, but they're having fewer squabbles in the first place because things just seem to 'flow' in a way they hadn't before.

&nbsp;

I'll coach you (live!) on how to use the tools with your own partner in the Parenting Membership.

&nbsp;

Discover how our Parenting Membership can provide invaluable support and guidance. Share this letter with your partner to help them understand the benefits of joining our community. Together, we can make parenting easier and more enjoyable.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

2<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/permissiveparent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">07: How to not be a permissive parent</a>
<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introducing today’s topic

02:27 The Parenting Membership's "Parenting As A Team" module, inspired by the Gottmans' research, provides valuable guidance on communication and relationships, empowering members with tools for stronger partnerships.

09:46 Introducing the historical approach to aiding couples in managing relationship challenges, along with the "Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" behaviors and their remedies

15:36 Dee and Jono engage in a coaching session, where CG, a non-professional coach, showcases her active listening skills. This session highlights the importance of validation and reflective listening in resolving conflicts and understanding perspectives, emphasizing the need for external support and skill-building within communities for improved communication and relationships.

32:48 Dee and Jono's coaching call led to commitments to nurture equality through daily appreciation, shared responsibilities, and seeking peer coaching for equitable partnership strategies.

40:07 Invitation to join the Parenting Membership]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingpartners]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9479f8e7-ca0b-431c-829c-9e19649b928a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/9479f8e7-ca0b-431c-829c-9e19649b928a.mp3" length="46580425" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>209</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>209</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/0632de87-e15a-4c25-bb0a-770c6940dadb/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>208: Three reasons why setting limits is hard (and what to do about each of them)</title><itunes:title>208: Three reasons why setting limits is hard (and what to do about each of them)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Do you ever wish that you know the appropriate logical consequence to give your child (aged 1-10) for each different kind of misbehavior you see?
<ul><li>When your toddler empties the water out of the dog's bowl for the 10th time today...</li><li>When your preschooler climbs on the table three minutes after you told them to get off it...</li><li>When your kindergartener refuses to come to the table for dinner (and you know they're going to announce they're hungry in an hour)...</li><li>When your elementary schooler won't get dressed in the morning (even though you know they are FULLY CAPABLE of doing it themselves) without 300 increasingly nagging, pleading, and begging 'reminders' from you...</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Wouldn't it be amazing to have the PERFECT logical consequence ready that would be appropriately proportioned to the misbehavior, and also just get your child to do the thing you're asking <em>without you having to ask again???</em>

&nbsp;

But here's the thing about logical consequences: they essentially say to our child: "I don't care <em>why</em> you don't want to do this thing; I just want you to do it."

&nbsp;

If we saw one adult saying that to another adult, we would call it 'emotional abuse.'

&nbsp;

So why do we do it to our children?

&nbsp;

Because it seems like we don't have another option to get through the day.

&nbsp;

We actually have many other options; it's just hard to remember them all and which one to use in which circumstance.

&nbsp;

In today's episode, I'll tell you the three main reasons why setting limits is hard (and what to do about each of them).

&nbsp;

And if you want my complete framework for how to navigate misbehavior, with ALL FIVE of the tools we can use and guidelines on exactly WHEN to use each of them, sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/frustratingbehavior/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">182: How to get frustrating behaviors to stop</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thoughts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">193: You don't have to believe everything you think</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/askalvinpart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">200: Ask Alvin Anything Part 1</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:52 Introducing today’s topic

02:32 Invitation to join the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

11:08 The number 3 reason why setting limits is so hard

12:58 The importance of respectful communication and mutual understanding in parent-child interactions, highlighting scenarios where setting limits may not always be the most effective solution

25:04 The number 2 reason why it's hard to set limits

26:02  Setting limits and respecting a child's autonomy, advocating for a collaborative approach to parenting

28:41 The number 1 reason why we find it so hard to set limits

29:12 The importance of understanding and meeting both children's and parents' needs to find effective solutions to behavioral challenges, emphasizing the negative consequences of ignoring or dismissing a child's needs

41:44  Parent Cori challenges with her son's teeth brushing and the positive change brought about by understanding the child’s need for autonomy

45:42 Three great resources (and they're all free!) for parents with the same struggles as Cori’s]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Do you ever wish that you know the appropriate logical consequence to give your child (aged 1-10) for each different kind of misbehavior you see?
<ul><li>When your toddler empties the water out of the dog's bowl for the 10th time today...</li><li>When your preschooler climbs on the table three minutes after you told them to get off it...</li><li>When your kindergartener refuses to come to the table for dinner (and you know they're going to announce they're hungry in an hour)...</li><li>When your elementary schooler won't get dressed in the morning (even though you know they are FULLY CAPABLE of doing it themselves) without 300 increasingly nagging, pleading, and begging 'reminders' from you...</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Wouldn't it be amazing to have the PERFECT logical consequence ready that would be appropriately proportioned to the misbehavior, and also just get your child to do the thing you're asking <em>without you having to ask again???</em>

&nbsp;

But here's the thing about logical consequences: they essentially say to our child: "I don't care <em>why</em> you don't want to do this thing; I just want you to do it."

&nbsp;

If we saw one adult saying that to another adult, we would call it 'emotional abuse.'

&nbsp;

So why do we do it to our children?

&nbsp;

Because it seems like we don't have another option to get through the day.

&nbsp;

We actually have many other options; it's just hard to remember them all and which one to use in which circumstance.

&nbsp;

In today's episode, I'll tell you the three main reasons why setting limits is hard (and what to do about each of them).

&nbsp;

And if you want my complete framework for how to navigate misbehavior, with ALL FIVE of the tools we can use and guidelines on exactly WHEN to use each of them, sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/frustratingbehavior/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">182: How to get frustrating behaviors to stop</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thoughts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">193: You don't have to believe everything you think</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/askalvinpart1/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">200: Ask Alvin Anything Part 1</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:52 Introducing today’s topic

02:32 Invitation to join the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop

11:08 The number 3 reason why setting limits is so hard

12:58 The importance of respectful communication and mutual understanding in parent-child interactions, highlighting scenarios where setting limits may not always be the most effective solution

25:04 The number 2 reason why it's hard to set limits

26:02  Setting limits and respecting a child's autonomy, advocating for a collaborative approach to parenting

28:41 The number 1 reason why we find it so hard to set limits

29:12 The importance of understanding and meeting both children's and parents' needs to find effective solutions to behavioral challenges, emphasizing the negative consequences of ignoring or dismissing a child's needs

41:44  Parent Cori challenges with her son's teeth brushing and the positive change brought about by understanding the child’s need for autonomy

45:42 Three great resources (and they're all free!) for parents with the same struggles as Cori’s]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/threereasonssettinglimits]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0677b872-6720-4d7d-a44b-ed61c834fd4d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/0677b872-6720-4d7d-a44b-ed61c834fd4d.mp3" length="49973833" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>208</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>208</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/4c50e511-2de3-48f9-aea7-6ae1c3e4b729/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>207: How to not be a permissive parent</title><itunes:title>207: How to not be a permissive parent</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Sometimes when listeners write to me, fun things happen! 🤪

&nbsp;

Listener Diana replied to a recent email because she had listened to quite a lot of my episodes (although more of the earlier ones than the recent ones) and she was generally on board with my approach.

&nbsp;

But she was having a hard time! Despite doing a lot of things for her children, and trying to remain calm and 'unruffled' and show that she loves them unconditionally, but as pretty often when she asked them to do something they sometimes scream at her for <em>offering</em> to help, they attempt to boss her around, and they're inflexible and rude.

&nbsp;

So what's going on here?

&nbsp;

Have we (finally) met children for whom my approach simply does not work?

&nbsp;

Of course, as soon as I received Diana's email I wanted to talk with her. She gamely agreed to come on the podcast, although she did want to protect her privacy so there's no video for this episode.

&nbsp;

We talked through the kinds of situations she often finds herself in, and some of the reasons why her daughter, in particular, might be acting this way. It turned out that in her indecision, Diana was drifting into permissive parenting, which meant that her children didn't know her needs - because Diana didn't know her own needs.

&nbsp;

We identified quite a few practical things she could try to consider both her own and her children's needs, and there's also a message in the episode that Diana sent me a week after we talked, sharing how things were going.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits </strong></h3>
&nbsp;

Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up now for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatmatters/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Q&amp;A#5: What really matters in parenting? Part 1</a>
<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:48 Introducing today’s guest and topic

08:58 Diana reflects on challenges with implementing a respectful parenting philosophy and navigating differences with her high-sensitivity, high-intensity child.

13:14 Diana shares parenting struggles, negotiating with her kids, and feeling disrespected in their interactions.

26:51 Diana reflects on supporting her daughter during dysregulated moments, while Jen illustrates the importance of context in understanding behavior.

31:12 They address Diana's daughter's need for predictability and resistance to sudden changes.

46:58 The dialogue emphasizes the importance of understanding and articulating individual needs to avoid permissive parenting while ensuring both the parent's and child's needs are met.

01:00:57 The conversation highlighted the importance of understanding underlying needs behind a child's behavior, leading to a shift in perspective for the parent.

01:06:00 Three actionable steps for listeners to implement the concepts discussed]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Sometimes when listeners write to me, fun things happen! 🤪

&nbsp;

Listener Diana replied to a recent email because she had listened to quite a lot of my episodes (although more of the earlier ones than the recent ones) and she was generally on board with my approach.

&nbsp;

But she was having a hard time! Despite doing a lot of things for her children, and trying to remain calm and 'unruffled' and show that she loves them unconditionally, but as pretty often when she asked them to do something they sometimes scream at her for <em>offering</em> to help, they attempt to boss her around, and they're inflexible and rude.

&nbsp;

So what's going on here?

&nbsp;

Have we (finally) met children for whom my approach simply does not work?

&nbsp;

Of course, as soon as I received Diana's email I wanted to talk with her. She gamely agreed to come on the podcast, although she did want to protect her privacy so there's no video for this episode.

&nbsp;

We talked through the kinds of situations she often finds herself in, and some of the reasons why her daughter, in particular, might be acting this way. It turned out that in her indecision, Diana was drifting into permissive parenting, which meant that her children didn't know her needs - because Diana didn't know her own needs.

&nbsp;

We identified quite a few practical things she could try to consider both her own and her children's needs, and there's also a message in the episode that Diana sent me a week after we talked, sharing how things were going.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits </strong></h3>
&nbsp;

Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up now for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatmatters/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Q&amp;A#5: What really matters in parenting? Part 1</a>
<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:48 Introducing today’s guest and topic

08:58 Diana reflects on challenges with implementing a respectful parenting philosophy and navigating differences with her high-sensitivity, high-intensity child.

13:14 Diana shares parenting struggles, negotiating with her kids, and feeling disrespected in their interactions.

26:51 Diana reflects on supporting her daughter during dysregulated moments, while Jen illustrates the importance of context in understanding behavior.

31:12 They address Diana's daughter's need for predictability and resistance to sudden changes.

46:58 The dialogue emphasizes the importance of understanding and articulating individual needs to avoid permissive parenting while ensuring both the parent's and child's needs are met.

01:00:57 The conversation highlighted the importance of understanding underlying needs behind a child's behavior, leading to a shift in perspective for the parent.

01:06:00 Three actionable steps for listeners to implement the concepts discussed]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/permissiveparent]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3512eb3c-7e1e-41c1-a0f3-9be0e4373d72</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/3512eb3c-7e1e-41c1-a0f3-9be0e4373d72.mp3" length="68225478" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:11:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>207</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>207</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/842a7593-0599-4c98-9271-84aba03f1f05/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>206: How to find yourself as a parent</title><itunes:title>206: How to find yourself as a parent</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[It can be really hard to see what's happening in our struggles with our children. They refuse to go to bed at bedtime; we're at home alone all day with a baby who doesn't like being put down, and our older child who is now being aggressive, and there's no time for us to even take a shower, and maybe it seems like everyone around us is judging our parenting choices.

&nbsp;

In this very different episode you're going to hear from parents who are in exactly these kinds of situations, and who joined me for a group coaching call to talk through them. We worked through a role play with one parent, Meagan, and then we saw how the same process could apply to lots of other different kinds of situations.

&nbsp;

Several of the parents who joined the call were kind enough to record messages after the call letting me know how the experience was for them, and with their permission I've included these recordings in the episode as well.

&nbsp;

So if you're struggling to find your groove as a parent; if you're struggling to find your<em>self</em>, this episode will help.

&nbsp;

<strong>Parenting Membership </strong>

If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/givingchoices/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">181: Why 'giving choices' doesn't work--and what to do instead</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s topic

02:11 Jen talks about hosting a group coaching call for Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group members, challenging misconceptions about coaching benefits.

03:26 Participants, like Parent Kendra, express feeling connected with others and finding solace in normalizing the challenges of parenting, even in a virtual setting. <strong> </strong>

07:38 Participants shared their parenting challenges, including ADHD, tantrums, social expectations, and bedtime struggles, seeking guidance and support during the coaching call.

14:28 The conversation explores Parent Meagan's bedtime struggles with her daughter Ava, highlighting Meagan's stress and Ava's desire for autonomy and connection. Strategies to address both needs are discussed.

36:30 The conversation explores Jen's struggle balancing caregiving, household tasks, and family time. It touches on her discomfort with her baby's crying, rooted in her own childhood experiences.

46:58 The conversation discusses supporting children with neurodivergent traits, emphasizing the challenges of maintaining routines and social interactions.

56:37 Parent Kendra shares her challenge navigating societal expectations in parenting across different cultures.

01:09:05 Whitney shares how she applied the concept of understanding her son's perspective and needs during bedtime struggles. This shift in perspective helped her empathize more with her son's feelings and frustrations.

01:15:12 Invitation to the Setting Loving (and Effective!) Limits workshop]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[It can be really hard to see what's happening in our struggles with our children. They refuse to go to bed at bedtime; we're at home alone all day with a baby who doesn't like being put down, and our older child who is now being aggressive, and there's no time for us to even take a shower, and maybe it seems like everyone around us is judging our parenting choices.

&nbsp;

In this very different episode you're going to hear from parents who are in exactly these kinds of situations, and who joined me for a group coaching call to talk through them. We worked through a role play with one parent, Meagan, and then we saw how the same process could apply to lots of other different kinds of situations.

&nbsp;

Several of the parents who joined the call were kind enough to record messages after the call letting me know how the experience was for them, and with their permission I've included these recordings in the episode as well.

&nbsp;

So if you're struggling to find your groove as a parent; if you're struggling to find your<em>self</em>, this episode will help.

&nbsp;

<strong>Parenting Membership </strong>

If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/givingchoices/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">181: Why 'giving choices' doesn't work--and what to do instead</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s topic

02:11 Jen talks about hosting a group coaching call for Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group members, challenging misconceptions about coaching benefits.

03:26 Participants, like Parent Kendra, express feeling connected with others and finding solace in normalizing the challenges of parenting, even in a virtual setting. <strong> </strong>

07:38 Participants shared their parenting challenges, including ADHD, tantrums, social expectations, and bedtime struggles, seeking guidance and support during the coaching call.

14:28 The conversation explores Parent Meagan's bedtime struggles with her daughter Ava, highlighting Meagan's stress and Ava's desire for autonomy and connection. Strategies to address both needs are discussed.

36:30 The conversation explores Jen's struggle balancing caregiving, household tasks, and family time. It touches on her discomfort with her baby's crying, rooted in her own childhood experiences.

46:58 The conversation discusses supporting children with neurodivergent traits, emphasizing the challenges of maintaining routines and social interactions.

56:37 Parent Kendra shares her challenge navigating societal expectations in parenting across different cultures.

01:09:05 Whitney shares how she applied the concept of understanding her son's perspective and needs during bedtime struggles. This shift in perspective helped her empathize more with her son's feelings and frustrations.

01:15:12 Invitation to the Setting Loving (and Effective!) Limits workshop]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/findyourself]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e2e96c3e-09aa-4637-b95e-7996a7b8f261</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e2e96c3e-09aa-4637-b95e-7996a7b8f261.mp3" length="78643947" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:21:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>206</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>206</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/612ea24e-f90f-41c8-ba2a-964473098153/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>205: How patriarchy hurts us…all of us</title><itunes:title>205: How patriarchy hurts us…all of us</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I have to admit, I’m a bit scared to say it…

The P-word…

“Patriarchy.”(Phew!  I did it!)I know some listeners find it hard to hear.

I’ve spoken with more than one woman who has told me: “I sent your podcast to my husband but then he heard the word “Patriarchy” and it was all over.

There’s some sadness there for me, for sure.

Every time I talk about patriarchy I talk about how much it hurts me and those of us who identify as women – but I also talk about how much it hurts men as well.  And that’s not just lip service: I truly believe that patriarchy has robbed men of a full emotional life.

I was talking with a parent in the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Membership</a> recently who asked her husband if he ever felt truly seen and understood.  He said ‘no,’ and ended the conversation.  She cried as she told me: <em>“I feel so sad for him that he doesn’t know that he could be seen and understood, so he doesn’t even realize he’s missing it.”</em>

We can know these things conceptually, and we can think that patriarchy kind of sucks, but maybe we think there’s not a lot we can do about it.  After all, isn’t the man the one who really needs to change?

Member Iris and I had had a conversation in the membership a couple of months before I was in Vancouver for the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power</a> book tour, where she mentioned that she’d been thinking a lot about how patriarchy shows up in her life.  We made plans to get together to record an episode while I was in town – and here it is!

Iris and I discuss:
<ul>
 	<li>The power and control that men held over women and girls as she grew up in the Philippines, including casting out female family members with out-of-wedlock pregnancies, while nothing happened to the men who got them pregnant (and lest we think this couldn't possibly happen where we live, men have very real power over women's pregnancies in the United States as well right now too...)</li>
 	<li>How she sees herself catering to her husband’s needs - adjusting her daily schedule to his; eating what he wanted for dinner even if she preferred something different; perceiving that he expects her to do more than half of the household, even though neither of them works for income;</li>
 	<li>Patriarchal messages that are being passed on to her daughter about the value of marriage, children, and meeting men’s needs.</li>
</ul><br/>
Even though she’s no longer in the Philippines, Iris still sees patriarchy in her relationship with her husband and daughter. She even sees how it hurts her husband, who is looked down upon in our culture because he doesn't present in a typically 'masculine' way.

She shares the practices she’s using to pass on different messages to her daughter about a woman’s role in a family and in the world.

But I don’t think we should only have these kinds of conversations with our daughters.  We should also talk with our boys about their feelings, and encourage them to fully experience their pain, hurt, and joy, and teach them that it’s OK to care about other people and not be an island that feels no pain and never cries.

Enjoy this beautiful conversation with Iris.

&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
Parenting is tough, but when we shift away from traditional power dynamics to collaboration, family life becomes smoother today.

Conventional discipline methods may temporarily stop challenging behaviors, but they reinforce harmful lessons about power and control. <a href="http://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power</a> offers a groundbreaking framework to understand and meet our children's needs, fostering respect and empathy.

With sample scripts and practical resources, Parenting Beyond Power empowers you to transform your parenting journey.

Get your copy now! Click the banner to learn more:

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:49 Introducing today’s guest and topic

06:30 Iris discusses the impact of patriarchy on her family, revealing how gender roles and expectations affected her parents' dynamics and sense of self-worth.

12:52 Iris discusses her family's emotional dynamics and the lasting impact of patriarchal double standards on her parenting approach.

17:51 Iris reflects on her teenage years, grappling with societal norms and confronting patriarchal expectations in her relationships.

22:35 Iris cuts her hair short in defiance of patriarchal norms, challenging traditional notions of feminine beauty and reclaiming her autonomy.

24:21 Iris reflects on societal pressures and gender roles within her marriage, highlighting the challenges of conforming to traditional expectations.

33:31 Iris encourages daughter Malaya's autonomy, challenges traditional gender roles, and fosters open communication within the family.

41:07 Women play a part in perpetuating patriarchal norms in families and should strive to empower daughters through shared decision-making and open dialogue.

44:29 Iris stresses the value of rest for herself, challenging the idea that productivity determines worth, especially under capitalism.

46:16 Iris reflects on the dynamics of waiting for male approval and envisions a future where her daughter confidently asserts herself.

49:19 Jen introduces three actionable steps for listeners to implement the ideas discussed in the episode.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I have to admit, I’m a bit scared to say it…

The P-word…

“Patriarchy.”(Phew!  I did it!)I know some listeners find it hard to hear.

I’ve spoken with more than one woman who has told me: “I sent your podcast to my husband but then he heard the word “Patriarchy” and it was all over.

There’s some sadness there for me, for sure.

Every time I talk about patriarchy I talk about how much it hurts me and those of us who identify as women – but I also talk about how much it hurts men as well.  And that’s not just lip service: I truly believe that patriarchy has robbed men of a full emotional life.

I was talking with a parent in the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Membership</a> recently who asked her husband if he ever felt truly seen and understood.  He said ‘no,’ and ended the conversation.  She cried as she told me: <em>“I feel so sad for him that he doesn’t know that he could be seen and understood, so he doesn’t even realize he’s missing it.”</em>

We can know these things conceptually, and we can think that patriarchy kind of sucks, but maybe we think there’s not a lot we can do about it.  After all, isn’t the man the one who really needs to change?

Member Iris and I had had a conversation in the membership a couple of months before I was in Vancouver for the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power</a> book tour, where she mentioned that she’d been thinking a lot about how patriarchy shows up in her life.  We made plans to get together to record an episode while I was in town – and here it is!

Iris and I discuss:
<ul>
 	<li>The power and control that men held over women and girls as she grew up in the Philippines, including casting out female family members with out-of-wedlock pregnancies, while nothing happened to the men who got them pregnant (and lest we think this couldn't possibly happen where we live, men have very real power over women's pregnancies in the United States as well right now too...)</li>
 	<li>How she sees herself catering to her husband’s needs - adjusting her daily schedule to his; eating what he wanted for dinner even if she preferred something different; perceiving that he expects her to do more than half of the household, even though neither of them works for income;</li>
 	<li>Patriarchal messages that are being passed on to her daughter about the value of marriage, children, and meeting men’s needs.</li>
</ul><br/>
Even though she’s no longer in the Philippines, Iris still sees patriarchy in her relationship with her husband and daughter. She even sees how it hurts her husband, who is looked down upon in our culture because he doesn't present in a typically 'masculine' way.

She shares the practices she’s using to pass on different messages to her daughter about a woman’s role in a family and in the world.

But I don’t think we should only have these kinds of conversations with our daughters.  We should also talk with our boys about their feelings, and encourage them to fully experience their pain, hurt, and joy, and teach them that it’s OK to care about other people and not be an island that feels no pain and never cries.

Enjoy this beautiful conversation with Iris.

&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
Parenting is tough, but when we shift away from traditional power dynamics to collaboration, family life becomes smoother today.

Conventional discipline methods may temporarily stop challenging behaviors, but they reinforce harmful lessons about power and control. <a href="http://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power</a> offers a groundbreaking framework to understand and meet our children's needs, fostering respect and empathy.

With sample scripts and practical resources, Parenting Beyond Power empowers you to transform your parenting journey.

Get your copy now! Click the banner to learn more:

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:49 Introducing today’s guest and topic

06:30 Iris discusses the impact of patriarchy on her family, revealing how gender roles and expectations affected her parents' dynamics and sense of self-worth.

12:52 Iris discusses her family's emotional dynamics and the lasting impact of patriarchal double standards on her parenting approach.

17:51 Iris reflects on her teenage years, grappling with societal norms and confronting patriarchal expectations in her relationships.

22:35 Iris cuts her hair short in defiance of patriarchal norms, challenging traditional notions of feminine beauty and reclaiming her autonomy.

24:21 Iris reflects on societal pressures and gender roles within her marriage, highlighting the challenges of conforming to traditional expectations.

33:31 Iris encourages daughter Malaya's autonomy, challenges traditional gender roles, and fosters open communication within the family.

41:07 Women play a part in perpetuating patriarchal norms in families and should strive to empower daughters through shared decision-making and open dialogue.

44:29 Iris stresses the value of rest for herself, challenging the idea that productivity determines worth, especially under capitalism.

46:16 Iris reflects on the dynamics of waiting for male approval and envisions a future where her daughter confidently asserts herself.

49:19 Jen introduces three actionable steps for listeners to implement the ideas discussed in the episode.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/howpatriarchyhurtsus]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7150aa08-a518-458c-8514-e3012d1e7606</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ccc5c240-6bfc-4c15-8d70-63d9a57295bc/How-patriarchy-hurts-us-all-of-us-edited.mp3" length="56475808" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>205</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>205</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/10a54cc2-f502-4266-9836-837edabd948c/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>204: How to create more time by taking care of yourself</title><itunes:title>204: How to create more time by taking care of yourself</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Sara has always tried really hard to not just be a good parent, but a really good parent. The best parent. (When I coached her and her partner recently to create some content for the Parenting Membership that you'll hear more about in a few weeks, her partner said to her: <strong><em>You hold everyone else to a high standard. You hold yourself to a higher standard.</em></strong>)

&nbsp;

Sara put a lot of pressure on herself, and this was even harder because she she didn't have the most amazing parental role models. They often fought in front of Sara and her sibling (with insults and name calling a regular part of the mix), and they didn't repair afterward.

&nbsp;

The difficult communication between parents extended to the children as well - Sara started to fight back when she was spanked, which escalated to physical fights as she got older. If she tried to talk with her Mom about previous incidents then her Mom would make out that <em>she</em> was the victim, while her Dad would whiz her down to Baskin Robbins for ice cream to win back her love. Sara withdrew, stopped sharing anything with her parents and isolated herself in her room - devouring books and the all the things on the early days of the internet.

&nbsp;

So when she became a parent, it's not surprising she felt triggered! Conflict abounded! Conflict with her partner, and with her children - she knew how she WANTED to navigate it (in a way that modeled healthy conflict for her children), but how could she do that when she had no idea how?

&nbsp;

We talk about conflict in this episode, and we also talk about needs. It turns out that Sara had needs (who knew!) and when she started to identify and meet them, the magic happened.

&nbsp;

Spending time doing things for herself, to meet her need for creativity, <em>created </em>time to spend with her husband and children.

&nbsp;

She realized she had been trying to do a lot of multitasking to try to fit everything in, but never spent time doing things she truly loved. Once she did, the background noise of that unmet need went quiet in her mind, and then she could actually enjoy spending time with her family.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:49 Introducing today’s topic and guest

02:27 Sara’s upbringing and family life

07:40 Sara's pandemic parenting insights

11:28 The challenges of striving for excellence as a parent, especially in trying circumstances

13:55 Sara's decision to join the Parenting Membership before exploring Taming Your Triggers

16:33 Sara's specific triggers that prompted her to recognize the need for support

20:20 Sara’s initial experiences and emotions as she embarked on Taming Your Triggers workshop

26:16 Why Sara chose to prioritize journaling, its impact, and the major shifts she experienced throughout the workshop

30:51 How Sara approached parenting with an audience

33:00 Discovering recurring needs during the workshop that Sara hadn't noticed before

35:06 Sara’s realization that prioritizing self-care actually creates more time in her busy schedule

36:32 What changes Sara has noticed regarding her triggers

39:19 Mild, medium, and spicy practices for parents

42:19 Wrapping up discussion]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Sara has always tried really hard to not just be a good parent, but a really good parent. The best parent. (When I coached her and her partner recently to create some content for the Parenting Membership that you'll hear more about in a few weeks, her partner said to her: <strong><em>You hold everyone else to a high standard. You hold yourself to a higher standard.</em></strong>)

&nbsp;

Sara put a lot of pressure on herself, and this was even harder because she she didn't have the most amazing parental role models. They often fought in front of Sara and her sibling (with insults and name calling a regular part of the mix), and they didn't repair afterward.

&nbsp;

The difficult communication between parents extended to the children as well - Sara started to fight back when she was spanked, which escalated to physical fights as she got older. If she tried to talk with her Mom about previous incidents then her Mom would make out that <em>she</em> was the victim, while her Dad would whiz her down to Baskin Robbins for ice cream to win back her love. Sara withdrew, stopped sharing anything with her parents and isolated herself in her room - devouring books and the all the things on the early days of the internet.

&nbsp;

So when she became a parent, it's not surprising she felt triggered! Conflict abounded! Conflict with her partner, and with her children - she knew how she WANTED to navigate it (in a way that modeled healthy conflict for her children), but how could she do that when she had no idea how?

&nbsp;

We talk about conflict in this episode, and we also talk about needs. It turns out that Sara had needs (who knew!) and when she started to identify and meet them, the magic happened.

&nbsp;

Spending time doing things for herself, to meet her need for creativity, <em>created </em>time to spend with her husband and children.

&nbsp;

She realized she had been trying to do a lot of multitasking to try to fit everything in, but never spent time doing things she truly loved. Once she did, the background noise of that unmet need went quiet in her mind, and then she could actually enjoy spending time with her family.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:49 Introducing today’s topic and guest

02:27 Sara’s upbringing and family life

07:40 Sara's pandemic parenting insights

11:28 The challenges of striving for excellence as a parent, especially in trying circumstances

13:55 Sara's decision to join the Parenting Membership before exploring Taming Your Triggers

16:33 Sara's specific triggers that prompted her to recognize the need for support

20:20 Sara’s initial experiences and emotions as she embarked on Taming Your Triggers workshop

26:16 Why Sara chose to prioritize journaling, its impact, and the major shifts she experienced throughout the workshop

30:51 How Sara approached parenting with an audience

33:00 Discovering recurring needs during the workshop that Sara hadn't noticed before

35:06 Sara’s realization that prioritizing self-care actually creates more time in her busy schedule

36:32 What changes Sara has noticed regarding her triggers

39:19 Mild, medium, and spicy practices for parents

42:19 Wrapping up discussion]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/createmoretime]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b823917d-4e99-49b2-b9d5-7f6bf10d84c4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b823917d-4e99-49b2-b9d5-7f6bf10d84c4.mp3" length="41801261" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>204</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>204</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5a73b01e-84f9-45e3-a556-f9e39546dfa8/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>203: How to move toward anti-racism with Kerry Cavers</title><itunes:title>203: How to move toward anti-racism with Kerry Cavers</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Last year I hosted a panel event in Vancouver where four people who have been active in helping us to navigate toward an anti-racist, post-patriarchal, post-capitalist future came together to share their ideas in front of a live audience.

&nbsp;

It was a beautiful event (eventually we'll process the video of it to share with you!), and I really hit it off with <a href="https://www.momsagainstracism.ca/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moms Against Racism Canada</a> founder Kerry Cavers so we got together afterward to chat.

&nbsp;

This is a much more personal episode than many. I actually didn't know it was going to be an episode beforehand - I thought we were going to record something that would be mostly for Kerry to use to explain her work to potential funders. But when I realized what gold we had, I decided to release the video as an episode.

&nbsp;

I did realize that we were lacking in some specific take-home messages for listeners, so I asked whether Kerry would be willing to share some ideas for ways to take action on anti-racism with us. She has a lot going on at the moment so she wasn't able to record something for us, but she did put together a VERY comprehensive list of actions that I recorded at the end of the episode.

&nbsp;

I've also created a PDF of her ideas that you can print and refer back to more easily - click the button below to download it.

&nbsp;

Enjoy the conversation!

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introducing this episode’s topic and guest

03:31 Kerry's insights into her role within Mom's Against Racism and discusses the organization's mission and initiatives

05:49 MAR’s origin and founding motivations

13:54 The various forms and manifestations of racism in Canadian society

18:50 How members of Moms Against Racism are guided in unlearning racism

24:49 Kerry reflects on her upbringing, sharing how her mother's personal challenges and disconnection from her cultural identity left a void in her understanding of her own heritage

28:00 Kerry’s thoughts on Parenting Beyond Power

31:14 Kerry talks about which tools from the book resonated with her and if she's been able to use them

43:02 Why Kerry agreed to join the Culture Talks Panel Event

47:22 Jen’s commitment to addressing issues like White privilege and patriarchy, striving to make a positive impact

50:38 Kerry’s Ideas for Anti-Racist Actions for Parents]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Last year I hosted a panel event in Vancouver where four people who have been active in helping us to navigate toward an anti-racist, post-patriarchal, post-capitalist future came together to share their ideas in front of a live audience.

&nbsp;

It was a beautiful event (eventually we'll process the video of it to share with you!), and I really hit it off with <a href="https://www.momsagainstracism.ca/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moms Against Racism Canada</a> founder Kerry Cavers so we got together afterward to chat.

&nbsp;

This is a much more personal episode than many. I actually didn't know it was going to be an episode beforehand - I thought we were going to record something that would be mostly for Kerry to use to explain her work to potential funders. But when I realized what gold we had, I decided to release the video as an episode.

&nbsp;

I did realize that we were lacking in some specific take-home messages for listeners, so I asked whether Kerry would be willing to share some ideas for ways to take action on anti-racism with us. She has a lot going on at the moment so she wasn't able to record something for us, but she did put together a VERY comprehensive list of actions that I recorded at the end of the episode.

&nbsp;

I've also created a PDF of her ideas that you can print and refer back to more easily - click the button below to download it.

&nbsp;

Enjoy the conversation!

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:53 Introducing this episode’s topic and guest

03:31 Kerry's insights into her role within Mom's Against Racism and discusses the organization's mission and initiatives

05:49 MAR’s origin and founding motivations

13:54 The various forms and manifestations of racism in Canadian society

18:50 How members of Moms Against Racism are guided in unlearning racism

24:49 Kerry reflects on her upbringing, sharing how her mother's personal challenges and disconnection from her cultural identity left a void in her understanding of her own heritage

28:00 Kerry’s thoughts on Parenting Beyond Power

31:14 Kerry talks about which tools from the book resonated with her and if she's been able to use them

43:02 Why Kerry agreed to join the Culture Talks Panel Event

47:22 Jen’s commitment to addressing issues like White privilege and patriarchy, striving to make a positive impact

50:38 Kerry’s Ideas for Anti-Racist Actions for Parents]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/mar]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4ddd3361-62d4-4a11-8391-dd7945e3f0b3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/4ddd3361-62d4-4a11-8391-dd7945e3f0b3.mp3" length="54483529" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>203</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>203</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/95212f40-6915-489d-9d5e-45c8f9a28ede/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Q&amp;A#5: What really matters in parenting? Part 1</title><itunes:title>Q&amp;A#5: What really matters in parenting? Part 1</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Listener Roberta submitted a question recently on <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/question" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">YourParentingMojo.com/question</a>:

&nbsp;

<strong><em>What does the research say are the decisions that really matter in parenting?</em></strong>

&nbsp;

That question immediately got my brain churning about what could be included, and how we would decide what to include, and how much of what's included could actually be research-based.

&nbsp;

The episode begins with a look at some of the major categories of factors that impact our children's development that we may not have as much control over, because we have to acknowledge these before we can look at what we do impact.

&nbsp;

Then I look at some of the things we do control but I think we can pretty safely stop worrying about them. The impact that each of these things has is likely to be so tiny as to individually meaningless.

&nbsp;

Finally, I count down my list of the top 5 things that I think impact children's development.

&nbsp;

This episode is for parents of children aged about 2 onwards. I think infants have some different needs, and I'm planning a separate episode on those later in the year.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes/blogs referenced:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/screen-time/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">014: Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/grit/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">052: Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/marshmallow/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">067: Does the Marshmallow Test tell us anything useful?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/fantasy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">068: Do I HAVE to pretend play with my child?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingonearth/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">196: How to do right by your child – and everyone else’s with Dr. Elizabeth Cripps</a></li><li><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/parenting-beyond-power/202312/why-people-claim-that-gentle-parenting-doesnt-work" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Why people claim that gentle parenting ‘doesn’t work’</a></li><li><a href="https://www.parentifact.org/why-does-parenting-advice-seem-to-change-so-often/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.parentifact.org/why-does-parenting-advice-seem-to-change-so-often/</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:54 Introducing the topic

01:09 Question from Listener Roberta

07:43 Socio-economic status affects a child's environment and parenting approaches

18:25 Jeannou's journey reveals the intricate link between upbringing and well-being

27:39 To understand what truly matters in parenting, we must consider both achievable outcomes and deeper definitions of success.

29:38 List of things that are not worth worrying about for children in their toddler years and beyond

33:06 The five things that really matter in parenting

48:21 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bradley, R.H., &amp; Corwyn, R.F. (2002). Socioeconomic status and child development. Annual Review of Psychology 53, 371-99.

<hr />

Hoff, E., Laursen, B., &amp; Tardif, T. (2019). Socioeconomic status and parenting. In: M. H. Bornstein (Ed.). Handbook of parenting Volume 2: Biology and ecology of parenting (p.421-447). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum

<hr />

Myers, D.G. (2008). Will money buy happiness? In S. Lopez (2008), Positive psychology: Exploring the best in people (Vol. 4: Pursuing human flourishing). Westport, CT: Praeger.

<hr />

Polderman, T.J.C., Benyamin, B., de Leeuw, C.A., Sullivan, P.F., van Bochoven, A., Visscher, P.M., &amp; Posthuma, D. (2015). Meta-analysis of the heritability of human traits based on fifty years of twin studies. Nature Genetics 47(7), 702.

<hr />

Ulferts, H. (2020). Why parenting matters for children in the 21st century: An evidence-based framework for understanding parenting and its impact on child development. Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development Education Working Paper No. 222. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hannah-Ulferts/publication/342082899_Why_parenting_matters_for_children_in_the_21st_century_An_evidence-based_framework_for_understanding_parenting_and_its_impact_on_child_development/links/5ee1eb5aa6fdcc73be702921/Why-parenting-matters-for-children-in-the-21st-century-An-evidence-based-framework-for-understanding-parenting-and-its-impact-on-child-development.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hannah-Ulferts/publication/342082899_Why_parenting_matters_for_children_in_the_21st_century_An_evidence-based_framework_for_understanding_parenting_and_its_impact_on_child_development/links/5ee1eb5aa6fdcc73be702921/Why-parenting-matters-for-children-in-the-21st-century-An-evidence-based-framework-for-understanding-parenting-and-its-impact-on-child-development.pdf</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Listener Roberta submitted a question recently on <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/question" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">YourParentingMojo.com/question</a>:

&nbsp;

<strong><em>What does the research say are the decisions that really matter in parenting?</em></strong>

&nbsp;

That question immediately got my brain churning about what could be included, and how we would decide what to include, and how much of what's included could actually be research-based.

&nbsp;

The episode begins with a look at some of the major categories of factors that impact our children's development that we may not have as much control over, because we have to acknowledge these before we can look at what we do impact.

&nbsp;

Then I look at some of the things we do control but I think we can pretty safely stop worrying about them. The impact that each of these things has is likely to be so tiny as to individually meaningless.

&nbsp;

Finally, I count down my list of the top 5 things that I think impact children's development.

&nbsp;

This episode is for parents of children aged about 2 onwards. I think infants have some different needs, and I'm planning a separate episode on those later in the year.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes/blogs referenced:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/screen-time/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">014: Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/grit/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">052: Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/growthmindset/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/marshmallow/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">067: Does the Marshmallow Test tell us anything useful?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/fantasy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">068: Do I HAVE to pretend play with my child?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parentingonearth/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">196: How to do right by your child – and everyone else’s with Dr. Elizabeth Cripps</a></li><li><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/parenting-beyond-power/202312/why-people-claim-that-gentle-parenting-doesnt-work" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Why people claim that gentle parenting ‘doesn’t work’</a></li><li><a href="https://www.parentifact.org/why-does-parenting-advice-seem-to-change-so-often/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.parentifact.org/why-does-parenting-advice-seem-to-change-so-often/</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:54 Introducing the topic

01:09 Question from Listener Roberta

07:43 Socio-economic status affects a child's environment and parenting approaches

18:25 Jeannou's journey reveals the intricate link between upbringing and well-being

27:39 To understand what truly matters in parenting, we must consider both achievable outcomes and deeper definitions of success.

29:38 List of things that are not worth worrying about for children in their toddler years and beyond

33:06 The five things that really matter in parenting

48:21 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bradley, R.H., &amp; Corwyn, R.F. (2002). Socioeconomic status and child development. Annual Review of Psychology 53, 371-99.

<hr />

Hoff, E., Laursen, B., &amp; Tardif, T. (2019). Socioeconomic status and parenting. In: M. H. Bornstein (Ed.). Handbook of parenting Volume 2: Biology and ecology of parenting (p.421-447). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum

<hr />

Myers, D.G. (2008). Will money buy happiness? In S. Lopez (2008), Positive psychology: Exploring the best in people (Vol. 4: Pursuing human flourishing). Westport, CT: Praeger.

<hr />

Polderman, T.J.C., Benyamin, B., de Leeuw, C.A., Sullivan, P.F., van Bochoven, A., Visscher, P.M., &amp; Posthuma, D. (2015). Meta-analysis of the heritability of human traits based on fifty years of twin studies. Nature Genetics 47(7), 702.

<hr />

Ulferts, H. (2020). Why parenting matters for children in the 21st century: An evidence-based framework for understanding parenting and its impact on child development. Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development Education Working Paper No. 222. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hannah-Ulferts/publication/342082899_Why_parenting_matters_for_children_in_the_21st_century_An_evidence-based_framework_for_understanding_parenting_and_its_impact_on_child_development/links/5ee1eb5aa6fdcc73be702921/Why-parenting-matters-for-children-in-the-21st-century-An-evidence-based-framework-for-understanding-parenting-and-its-impact-on-child-development.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hannah-Ulferts/publication/342082899_Why_parenting_matters_for_children_in_the_21st_century_An_evidence-based_framework_for_understanding_parenting_and_its_impact_on_child_development/links/5ee1eb5aa6fdcc73be702921/Why-parenting-matters-for-children-in-the-21st-century-An-evidence-based-framework-for-understanding-parenting-and-its-impact-on-child-development.pdf</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/whatmatters]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">822f53be-c803-4a7b-aa5f-f1b14244b166</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/822f53be-c803-4a7b-aa5f-f1b14244b166.mp3" length="47347657" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/9ca29dc5-376f-43a0-acbd-3e4ac885ba65/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>202: How to Heal from Adverse Childhood Experiences with Dr. Nadine Burke Harris and Jackie Thu-Huong Wong</title><itunes:title>202: How to Heal from Adverse Childhood Experiences with Dr. Nadine Burke Harris and Jackie Thu-Huong Wong</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[My mom died when I was 10, and for a while people in our small village would look at my sister and me as if we were 'special' in some weird way. By the time I was a young adult that was just one of a stew of difficult experiences I'd had, and I also realized: my stuff is not special.

&nbsp;

By that age, most people are carrying around some kind of trauma.

&nbsp;

But so what? Does it matter? If our mental health is <em>good enough</em>, does it help to wallow around in all the stuff that's in the past?

&nbsp;

In this episode we talk with Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, who has pioneered the connections between these kinds of Adverse Childhood Experiences and medical care for children, as well as Jackie Thu-Huong Wong, Executive Director of First 5 California.

&nbsp;

We'll learn:
<ul><li>What is an Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE);</li><li>How ACEs can influence not only our physical but our mental health as well;</li><li>What we know about the protective effects of relationships with caring adults</li><li>Dr. Burke Harris' opinions of the 'best' authoritative parenting style;</li><li>A new feature in our episodes: mild, medium, and spicy options for parents who want to dip their toe into the water on this topic, or dive more deeply.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s topic and guests

04:20 Clarifying the concept of adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and their origin

06:37 Discussing how Dr. Burke Harris’s research expanded the understanding of ACEs beyond family-focused indicators

10:05 Exploring the paradox of declining death rates and the ongoing prevalence of adverse childhood experiences (ACEs)

13:08 Highlighting the Stronger Starts campaign and the four key interventions (Four Be’s)

19:45 Limited resources pose overwhelming challenges for families, impacting decisions between staying in harmful situations and seeking help

22:39 Questioning the correlational nature of ACEs data

31:53 Addressing intergenerational trauma, the concern is raised for parents struggling with the transmission of intergenerational trauma

37:08 A listener, reflecting on childhood experiences and societal norms of good parenting, raises a question about Dr. Diana Baumrind's work

38:40 Emphasizing the Stronger Starts campaign's reliance on current research, evolving scientific understanding is paralleled with historical shifts (evident in changing perspectives on corporal punishment)

46:18 Wrapping up the discussion with three engagement options (mild, medium, spicy)

&nbsp;

<strong>Resources</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3U91PO1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Deepest Well: Healing the Long-Term Effects of Childhood Trauma and Adversity</a>– Dr. Nadine Burke Harris (affiliate link)</li><li><a href="https://www.first5california.com/en-us/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">First 5 California website</a>– for parents</li><li><a href="https://numberstory.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NumberStory.org</a>– for parents</li><li><a href="https://www.acesaware.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ACEsAware.org</a>– for healthcare providers</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Anda, R.F., Porter, L.E., &amp; Brown, D.W. (2020). Inside the Adverse Childhood Experience score: Strengths, limitations, and misapplications. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 59(2), 293-295.

<hr />

Baldwin, J.R., Caspi, A., Meehan, A.J., Ambler, A., Arseneault, L., Fisher, H.L., Harrington, H., Matthews, T., Odgers, C.L., Poulton, R. and Ramrakha, S. (2021). Population vs individual prediction of poor health from results of adverse childhood experiences screening. JAMA Pediatrics, <em>175</em>(4), 385-393.

<hr />

Boparai, S.K.P., Au, V., Koita, K., Oh, D.L., Briner, S., Burke Harris, NB., &amp; Bucci, M. (2018). Child Abuse &amp; Neglect 81, 82-105.

<hr />

Briggs, E., Amaya-Jackson, L., Putnam, K.T., &amp; Putnam, F.W. (2021). All adverse childhood experiences are not equal: The contribution of synergy to Adverse Childhood Experience scores. American Psychologist 76(2), 243.

<hr />

Burke Harris, N. (2018). The deepest well: Healing the long-term effects of childhood adversity. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. [Note: the book was republished also in 2018 under the title: Toxic childhood stress: The legacy of early trauma and how to heal.]

<hr />

Camacho, S., &amp; Henderson, S.C. (2022). The social determinants of Adverse Childhood Experiences: An intersectional analysis of place, access to resources, and compounding effects.

<hr />

Carlson, S., Borrell, L.N., Eng, C., Nguyen, M., Thyne, S., LeNoir, M.A., Burke-Harris, N., Burchard, E.G., &amp; Thakur, N. (2017). Self-reported racial/ethnic discrimination and bronchodilator response in African American youth with asthma. PLoS ONE 12(6), e0179091.

<hr />

Felitti, V.J., Anda, R.F., Nordenberg, D., Williamson, D.F., Spitz, A.M., Edwards, V., Koss, M.P., &amp; Marks, J.S. (1998). Relationship of Childhood Abuse and Household Dysfunction to many of the leading causes of death in adults: The Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) study. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 14(4), 245-258.

<hr />

Finkelhor, D., Shattuck, A., Turner, H., &amp; Hamby, S. (2013). Improving the Adverse Childhood Experiences study scale. JAMA Pediatrics 167(1), 70-75.

<hr />

Gilgoff, R., Singh, L., Koita, K., Gentile, B., &amp; Marques, S. S. (2020). Adverse Childhood Experiences, outcomes, and interventions. Pediatric Clinics of North America 67, 259-273.

<hr />

Gross, S.M. (2020). Screening for Adverse Childhood Experiences in pediatric primary care. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, College Park, MD: University of Maryland. Retrieved from: <a href="https://archive.hshsl.umaryland.edu/bitstream/handle/10713/12951/Gross_AdverseChildhoodExperiences_2020.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://archive.hshsl.umaryland.edu/bitstream/handle/10713/12951/Gross_AdverseChildhoodExperiences_2020.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y</a>

<hr />

Koita, K., Long, D., Hessler, D., Benson, M., Daley, K., Bucci, M., Thakur, N., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2018). Development and implementation of a pediatric adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and other determinants of health questionnaire in the pediatric medical home: A pilot study. PLoS ONE 12(12): e0208088.

<hr />

Lacey, R.E., &amp; Minnis, H. (2020). Practitioner review: Twenty years of research with Adverse Childhood Experience scores – advantages, disadvantages and applications to practice. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 61(2), 116-130.

<hr />

Long, D., Hessler, D., Koita, K., Bucci, M., Benson, M., Gilgoff, R., Thakur, N., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2022). Screening for Adverse Childhood Experiences in pediatrics: A randomized trial of aggregate-level versus item-level response screening formats. PLoS ONE 17(12), e0273491.

<hr />

Miller, T.R., Waehrer, G.M., Oh, D.L., Bopari, S.P., Walker, S.O., Marques, S.S., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2020). Adult health burden and costs in California during 2013 associated with prior adverse childhood experiences. PLoS ONE 15(1), e0228019.

<hr />

Narayan, A.J., Lieberman, A.F., &amp; Masten, A.S. (2021). Intergenerational transmission and prevention of adverse childhood experiences (ACEs). Clinical Psychology Review 85, 101997.

<hr />

Nelson, C.A., Bhutta, Z.A., Burke Harris, N., Danese, A., &amp; Samara, M. (2020). Adversity in childhood is linked to mental and physical health throughout life. BMJ 371, 3048.

<hr />

Oh, D.L., Jerman, P., Boparai, S.K.P., Koita, K., Briner, S., Bucci, M., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2018). Review of tools for measuring exposure to adversity in children and adolescents. Journal of Pediatric Health Care 32(6), 564-583.

<hr />

Oh, D.L., Jerman, P., Marques, S.S., Koita, K., Boparai, S.K.P., Burke Harris, N., &amp; Bucci, M. (2018). Systematic review of pediatric health outcomes associated with childhood adversity. BMC Pediatrics 18:83.

<hr />

Renschler, T.S., Lieberman, A.F., Hernandez Dimmler, M., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2013). Trauma-focused child-parent psychotherapy in a community pediatric clinic: A cross-disciplinary collaboration. In: J.E. Bettmann &amp; D.D. Friedman (Eds.), Attachment-Based Clinical Work with Children and Adolescents (p.115-140). New York: Springer.

<hr />

Thakur, N., Hessler, D., Koita, K., Ye, M., Benson, M., Gilgoff, R., Bucci, M., Long, D., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2020). Pediatric Adverse Childhood Experiences and related life events screener (PEARLS) and health in a safety-net practice. Child Abuse &amp; Neglect 108: 104685.

<hr />

Waehrer, G.M., Miller, T.R., Marques, S.C.S., Oh, D.L., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2020). Disease burden of Adverse Childhood Experiences across 14 states. PLoS ONE...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[My mom died when I was 10, and for a while people in our small village would look at my sister and me as if we were 'special' in some weird way. By the time I was a young adult that was just one of a stew of difficult experiences I'd had, and I also realized: my stuff is not special.

&nbsp;

By that age, most people are carrying around some kind of trauma.

&nbsp;

But so what? Does it matter? If our mental health is <em>good enough</em>, does it help to wallow around in all the stuff that's in the past?

&nbsp;

In this episode we talk with Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, who has pioneered the connections between these kinds of Adverse Childhood Experiences and medical care for children, as well as Jackie Thu-Huong Wong, Executive Director of First 5 California.

&nbsp;

We'll learn:
<ul><li>What is an Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE);</li><li>How ACEs can influence not only our physical but our mental health as well;</li><li>What we know about the protective effects of relationships with caring adults</li><li>Dr. Burke Harris' opinions of the 'best' authoritative parenting style;</li><li>A new feature in our episodes: mild, medium, and spicy options for parents who want to dip their toe into the water on this topic, or dive more deeply.</li></ul><br/>
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&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode mentioned:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s topic and guests

04:20 Clarifying the concept of adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and their origin

06:37 Discussing how Dr. Burke Harris’s research expanded the understanding of ACEs beyond family-focused indicators

10:05 Exploring the paradox of declining death rates and the ongoing prevalence of adverse childhood experiences (ACEs)

13:08 Highlighting the Stronger Starts campaign and the four key interventions (Four Be’s)

19:45 Limited resources pose overwhelming challenges for families, impacting decisions between staying in harmful situations and seeking help

22:39 Questioning the correlational nature of ACEs data

31:53 Addressing intergenerational trauma, the concern is raised for parents struggling with the transmission of intergenerational trauma

37:08 A listener, reflecting on childhood experiences and societal norms of good parenting, raises a question about Dr. Diana Baumrind's work

38:40 Emphasizing the Stronger Starts campaign's reliance on current research, evolving scientific understanding is paralleled with historical shifts (evident in changing perspectives on corporal punishment)

46:18 Wrapping up the discussion with three engagement options (mild, medium, spicy)

&nbsp;

<strong>Resources</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3U91PO1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Deepest Well: Healing the Long-Term Effects of Childhood Trauma and Adversity</a>– Dr. Nadine Burke Harris (affiliate link)</li><li><a href="https://www.first5california.com/en-us/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">First 5 California website</a>– for parents</li><li><a href="https://numberstory.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NumberStory.org</a>– for parents</li><li><a href="https://www.acesaware.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ACEsAware.org</a>– for healthcare providers</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Anda, R.F., Porter, L.E., &amp; Brown, D.W. (2020). Inside the Adverse Childhood Experience score: Strengths, limitations, and misapplications. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 59(2), 293-295.

<hr />

Baldwin, J.R., Caspi, A., Meehan, A.J., Ambler, A., Arseneault, L., Fisher, H.L., Harrington, H., Matthews, T., Odgers, C.L., Poulton, R. and Ramrakha, S. (2021). Population vs individual prediction of poor health from results of adverse childhood experiences screening. JAMA Pediatrics, <em>175</em>(4), 385-393.

<hr />

Boparai, S.K.P., Au, V., Koita, K., Oh, D.L., Briner, S., Burke Harris, NB., &amp; Bucci, M. (2018). Child Abuse &amp; Neglect 81, 82-105.

<hr />

Briggs, E., Amaya-Jackson, L., Putnam, K.T., &amp; Putnam, F.W. (2021). All adverse childhood experiences are not equal: The contribution of synergy to Adverse Childhood Experience scores. American Psychologist 76(2), 243.

<hr />

Burke Harris, N. (2018). The deepest well: Healing the long-term effects of childhood adversity. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. [Note: the book was republished also in 2018 under the title: Toxic childhood stress: The legacy of early trauma and how to heal.]

<hr />

Camacho, S., &amp; Henderson, S.C. (2022). The social determinants of Adverse Childhood Experiences: An intersectional analysis of place, access to resources, and compounding effects.

<hr />

Carlson, S., Borrell, L.N., Eng, C., Nguyen, M., Thyne, S., LeNoir, M.A., Burke-Harris, N., Burchard, E.G., &amp; Thakur, N. (2017). Self-reported racial/ethnic discrimination and bronchodilator response in African American youth with asthma. PLoS ONE 12(6), e0179091.

<hr />

Felitti, V.J., Anda, R.F., Nordenberg, D., Williamson, D.F., Spitz, A.M., Edwards, V., Koss, M.P., &amp; Marks, J.S. (1998). Relationship of Childhood Abuse and Household Dysfunction to many of the leading causes of death in adults: The Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) study. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 14(4), 245-258.

<hr />

Finkelhor, D., Shattuck, A., Turner, H., &amp; Hamby, S. (2013). Improving the Adverse Childhood Experiences study scale. JAMA Pediatrics 167(1), 70-75.

<hr />

Gilgoff, R., Singh, L., Koita, K., Gentile, B., &amp; Marques, S. S. (2020). Adverse Childhood Experiences, outcomes, and interventions. Pediatric Clinics of North America 67, 259-273.

<hr />

Gross, S.M. (2020). Screening for Adverse Childhood Experiences in pediatric primary care. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, College Park, MD: University of Maryland. Retrieved from: <a href="https://archive.hshsl.umaryland.edu/bitstream/handle/10713/12951/Gross_AdverseChildhoodExperiences_2020.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://archive.hshsl.umaryland.edu/bitstream/handle/10713/12951/Gross_AdverseChildhoodExperiences_2020.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y</a>

<hr />

Koita, K., Long, D., Hessler, D., Benson, M., Daley, K., Bucci, M., Thakur, N., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2018). Development and implementation of a pediatric adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and other determinants of health questionnaire in the pediatric medical home: A pilot study. PLoS ONE 12(12): e0208088.

<hr />

Lacey, R.E., &amp; Minnis, H. (2020). Practitioner review: Twenty years of research with Adverse Childhood Experience scores – advantages, disadvantages and applications to practice. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 61(2), 116-130.

<hr />

Long, D., Hessler, D., Koita, K., Bucci, M., Benson, M., Gilgoff, R., Thakur, N., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2022). Screening for Adverse Childhood Experiences in pediatrics: A randomized trial of aggregate-level versus item-level response screening formats. PLoS ONE 17(12), e0273491.

<hr />

Miller, T.R., Waehrer, G.M., Oh, D.L., Bopari, S.P., Walker, S.O., Marques, S.S., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2020). Adult health burden and costs in California during 2013 associated with prior adverse childhood experiences. PLoS ONE 15(1), e0228019.

<hr />

Narayan, A.J., Lieberman, A.F., &amp; Masten, A.S. (2021). Intergenerational transmission and prevention of adverse childhood experiences (ACEs). Clinical Psychology Review 85, 101997.

<hr />

Nelson, C.A., Bhutta, Z.A., Burke Harris, N., Danese, A., &amp; Samara, M. (2020). Adversity in childhood is linked to mental and physical health throughout life. BMJ 371, 3048.

<hr />

Oh, D.L., Jerman, P., Boparai, S.K.P., Koita, K., Briner, S., Bucci, M., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2018). Review of tools for measuring exposure to adversity in children and adolescents. Journal of Pediatric Health Care 32(6), 564-583.

<hr />

Oh, D.L., Jerman, P., Marques, S.S., Koita, K., Boparai, S.K.P., Burke Harris, N., &amp; Bucci, M. (2018). Systematic review of pediatric health outcomes associated with childhood adversity. BMC Pediatrics 18:83.

<hr />

Renschler, T.S., Lieberman, A.F., Hernandez Dimmler, M., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2013). Trauma-focused child-parent psychotherapy in a community pediatric clinic: A cross-disciplinary collaboration. In: J.E. Bettmann &amp; D.D. Friedman (Eds.), Attachment-Based Clinical Work with Children and Adolescents (p.115-140). New York: Springer.

<hr />

Thakur, N., Hessler, D., Koita, K., Ye, M., Benson, M., Gilgoff, R., Bucci, M., Long, D., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2020). Pediatric Adverse Childhood Experiences and related life events screener (PEARLS) and health in a safety-net practice. Child Abuse &amp; Neglect 108: 104685.

<hr />

Waehrer, G.M., Miller, T.R., Marques, S.C.S., Oh, D.L., &amp; Burke Harris, N. (2020). Disease burden of Adverse Childhood Experiences across 14 states. PLoS ONE 15(1), e0226134.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/aces]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">75df8bdd-549a-42e2-aebc-95fd879b2beb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/75df8bdd-549a-42e2-aebc-95fd879b2beb.mp3" length="51835627" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>202</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>202</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/07ab8965-08df-4620-8d4d-f2475480756b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>201: How to create a culture of consent in our families</title><itunes:title>201: How to create a culture of consent in our families</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When Carys was about three, I forced a dropper of antibiotics into her mouth to just get her to take it, so she would start to feel better. We were both tired and hangry and I didn't see another path forward, when she was refusing something that I knew would help her. What other choice did I have?

&nbsp;

My husband did see another path when he arrived home later that evening, and before she went to bed she willingly took a full dose of the medicine.

&nbsp;

These kinds of situations come up often in parenting: where we're trying to get our child to do something, perhaps even for their own health and safety, and they refuse. It can seem like the only path forward is to force them against their will - after all, we are doing this for their own good, right?

&nbsp;

But what if there was another way to make these things happen that met your child's needs for autonomy over their own bodies, and also met your needs for peace and ease and harmony and protection of their health and safety?

&nbsp;

That's what we'll work through in today's episode. We'll look closely at the way consent is perceived in our culture, and how these messages are transmitted - in school, in peer groups, in movies and songs, and in our families.

&nbsp;

I'm also introducing a new element into podcast episodes to help you put the ideas in the episode into practice. At the end of the episode I offer three suggestions for things you could try in your relationship with your own child - organized into mild, medium, and spicy options so you can step in at the level that feels right to you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Trigger warning:</strong> I do discuss sexual assault in this episode. It might not be one you listen to with your children around, and if you have experienced sexual assault, please make sure you're well resourced if you do choose to listen.

&nbsp;
<h3>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</h3>
Are there times when your child doesn’t listen?

&nbsp;

Do they stall, ignore you, refuse to do the things you ask…and then look you right in the eye while doing the thing you asked them NOT to do?

&nbsp;

Do you feel disrespected when your child does these things – but have no idea what to do about it because the one thing you KNOW is that you don’t want to treat your child the same way your parents treated you?

&nbsp;

If so, the<strong> Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop</strong> will help.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">079: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">084: The Science of RIE</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:54 Introducing today’s topic

05:24 Getting consent from babies through non-verbal cues

14:12 The existence of a rape culture that normalizes and trivializes sexual assault

16:55 Understanding consent beyond the typical script of cisgender heterosexual relationships

23:36 How distorted perceptions of feminism impact consent education

27:05 The importance of discussing consent beyond sexual situations

30:00 The lack of emphasis on consent in sex education standards and children's exposure to problematic portrayals of sex in media

41:19 The importance of teaching consent from childhood to counter rape culture rooted in patriarchal norms

45:49 Practical steps for parents to promote consent with their children

49:18 Listener Cori's experience underscores the importance of understanding a child's needs, promoting autonomy, and building consent-based relationships from an early age

56:02 The conclusion suggests three options for implementing the ideas discussed in the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Beres, M.A. (2021). From ignorance to knowledge: Sexual consent and queer stories. Feminism &amp; Psychology 32(2), 137-155.

<hr />

Global News (2018, May 11). Asking your child if you can change their diaper raises them to know their consent matters: Expert. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://globalnews.ca/video/4202379/asking-your-child-if-you-can-change-their-diaper-raises-them-to-know-their-consent-matters-expert" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://globalnews.ca/video/4202379/asking-your-child-if-you-can-change-their-diaper-raises-them-to-know-their-consent-matters-expert</a>

<hr />

Gupta, D. [@Neo_url] (2018, February 18). If you’ve ever tried to put your finger up a straight guy’s ass during sex, you’ll know that they actually understand ongoing consent, withdrawal of consent and sexual boundaries very well.  They act confused when it’s our bodies. [Tweet]. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/807c3m/for_the_guys_confused_about_consent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.reddit.com/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/807c3m/for_the_guys_confused_about_consent/</a>

<hr />

Johnson, M., &amp; Bennett, E. (2015, March). Everyday sexism: Australian women’s experiences of street harassment. The Australia Institute. Retrieved from: <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Everyday_sexism_TAIMarch2015_0.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Everyday_sexism_TAIMarch2015_0.pdf</a>

<hr />

Kettrey, H.K., Davis, A.J., &amp; Liberman, J. (2021). “Consent is F#@king Required”: Hashtag feminism surrounding sexual consent in a culture of postfeminist contradictions. Social Media + Society October-December, 1-11.

<hr />

Loick, D. (2019). “…as if it were a thing.” A feminist critique of consent. Constellations, 1-11.

<hr />

McGuire, L. (2021). Creating cultures of consent: A guide for parents and educators. Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield.

<hr />

Mukhopadhyay, S. (2023, Jan 26). Justin Bieber no more holds rights to his music, sold for $200 million: Here’s why it’s the latest trend. Mint. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.livemint.com/news/world/justin-bieber-no-more-holds-rights-to-his-music-sold-for-200-million-here-s-why-it-s-the-latest-trend-11674695521055.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.livemint.com/news/world/justin-bieber-no-more-holds-rights-to-his-music-sold-for-200-million-here-s-why-it-s-the-latest-trend-11674695521055.html</a>

<hr />

National Institute of Justice (2008, September 30). Most victims know their attacker. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/most-victims-know-their-attacker" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/most-victims-know-their-attacker</a>

<hr />

News.com.au (2019, May 11). Commentator mocked for saying parents should ask babies for consent to nappy change. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/commentator-mocked-for-saying-parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-to-nappy-change/news-story/6f3c45120ef9de5dee3df81621715c1b" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/commentator-mocked-for-saying-parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-to-nappy-change/news-story/6f3c45120ef9de5dee3df81621715c1b</a>

<hr />

Padilla-Walker, L.M., McLean, R.D., Ogles, B., &amp; Pollard, B. (2020). How do parents teach “No means no”? An exploration of how sexual consent beliefs are socialized during adolescence. The Journal of Sex Research 57(9), 1122-1133.

<hr />

Popova, M. (2019). Sexual consent. Boston: MIT.

<hr />

RAINN (2023). Victims of sexual violence: Statistics. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence</a>

<hr />

Rutherford, A. (2018, September 17). What the origins of the ‘1 in 5’ statistic teaches us about sexual assault policy. Behavioral Scientist. Retrieved from: <a href="https://behavioralscientist.org/what-the-origins-of-the-1-in-5-statistic-teaches-us-about-sexual-assault-policy/#:~:text=Referring%20to%20the%20number%20of,prevent%2C%20and%20prosecute%20sexual%20assault" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://behavioralscientist.org/what-the-origins-of-the-1-in-5-statistic-teaches-us-about-sexual-assault-policy/#:~:text=Referring%20to%20the%20number%20of,prevent%2C%20and%20prosecute%20sexual%20assault</a>.

<hr />

Tarvis, C. (1989). Anger: The misunderstood emotion (Revised Ed.). Chicago: Touchstone.

<hr />

Willis, M., Jozkowski, K.N., &amp; Read, J. (2019). Sexual consent in K-12 sex education: An analysis of current health education standards in the United States. Sex Education 19(2), 226-236.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When Carys was about three, I forced a dropper of antibiotics into her mouth to just get her to take it, so she would start to feel better. We were both tired and hangry and I didn't see another path forward, when she was refusing something that I knew would help her. What other choice did I have?

&nbsp;

My husband did see another path when he arrived home later that evening, and before she went to bed she willingly took a full dose of the medicine.

&nbsp;

These kinds of situations come up often in parenting: where we're trying to get our child to do something, perhaps even for their own health and safety, and they refuse. It can seem like the only path forward is to force them against their will - after all, we are doing this for their own good, right?

&nbsp;

But what if there was another way to make these things happen that met your child's needs for autonomy over their own bodies, and also met your needs for peace and ease and harmony and protection of their health and safety?

&nbsp;

That's what we'll work through in today's episode. We'll look closely at the way consent is perceived in our culture, and how these messages are transmitted - in school, in peer groups, in movies and songs, and in our families.

&nbsp;

I'm also introducing a new element into podcast episodes to help you put the ideas in the episode into practice. At the end of the episode I offer three suggestions for things you could try in your relationship with your own child - organized into mild, medium, and spicy options so you can step in at the level that feels right to you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Trigger warning:</strong> I do discuss sexual assault in this episode. It might not be one you listen to with your children around, and if you have experienced sexual assault, please make sure you're well resourced if you do choose to listen.

&nbsp;
<h3>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</h3>
Are there times when your child doesn’t listen?

&nbsp;

Do they stall, ignore you, refuse to do the things you ask…and then look you right in the eye while doing the thing you asked them NOT to do?

&nbsp;

Do you feel disrespected when your child does these things – but have no idea what to do about it because the one thing you KNOW is that you don’t want to treat your child the same way your parents treated you?

&nbsp;

If so, the<strong> Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop</strong> will help.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">079: What is RIE?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">084: The Science of RIE</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:54 Introducing today’s topic

05:24 Getting consent from babies through non-verbal cues

14:12 The existence of a rape culture that normalizes and trivializes sexual assault

16:55 Understanding consent beyond the typical script of cisgender heterosexual relationships

23:36 How distorted perceptions of feminism impact consent education

27:05 The importance of discussing consent beyond sexual situations

30:00 The lack of emphasis on consent in sex education standards and children's exposure to problematic portrayals of sex in media

41:19 The importance of teaching consent from childhood to counter rape culture rooted in patriarchal norms

45:49 Practical steps for parents to promote consent with their children

49:18 Listener Cori's experience underscores the importance of understanding a child's needs, promoting autonomy, and building consent-based relationships from an early age

56:02 The conclusion suggests three options for implementing the ideas discussed in the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Beres, M.A. (2021). From ignorance to knowledge: Sexual consent and queer stories. Feminism &amp; Psychology 32(2), 137-155.

<hr />

Global News (2018, May 11). Asking your child if you can change their diaper raises them to know their consent matters: Expert. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://globalnews.ca/video/4202379/asking-your-child-if-you-can-change-their-diaper-raises-them-to-know-their-consent-matters-expert" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://globalnews.ca/video/4202379/asking-your-child-if-you-can-change-their-diaper-raises-them-to-know-their-consent-matters-expert</a>

<hr />

Gupta, D. [@Neo_url] (2018, February 18). If you’ve ever tried to put your finger up a straight guy’s ass during sex, you’ll know that they actually understand ongoing consent, withdrawal of consent and sexual boundaries very well.  They act confused when it’s our bodies. [Tweet]. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/807c3m/for_the_guys_confused_about_consent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.reddit.com/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/807c3m/for_the_guys_confused_about_consent/</a>

<hr />

Johnson, M., &amp; Bennett, E. (2015, March). Everyday sexism: Australian women’s experiences of street harassment. The Australia Institute. Retrieved from: <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Everyday_sexism_TAIMarch2015_0.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Everyday_sexism_TAIMarch2015_0.pdf</a>

<hr />

Kettrey, H.K., Davis, A.J., &amp; Liberman, J. (2021). “Consent is F#@king Required”: Hashtag feminism surrounding sexual consent in a culture of postfeminist contradictions. Social Media + Society October-December, 1-11.

<hr />

Loick, D. (2019). “…as if it were a thing.” A feminist critique of consent. Constellations, 1-11.

<hr />

McGuire, L. (2021). Creating cultures of consent: A guide for parents and educators. Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield.

<hr />

Mukhopadhyay, S. (2023, Jan 26). Justin Bieber no more holds rights to his music, sold for $200 million: Here’s why it’s the latest trend. Mint. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.livemint.com/news/world/justin-bieber-no-more-holds-rights-to-his-music-sold-for-200-million-here-s-why-it-s-the-latest-trend-11674695521055.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.livemint.com/news/world/justin-bieber-no-more-holds-rights-to-his-music-sold-for-200-million-here-s-why-it-s-the-latest-trend-11674695521055.html</a>

<hr />

National Institute of Justice (2008, September 30). Most victims know their attacker. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/most-victims-know-their-attacker" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/most-victims-know-their-attacker</a>

<hr />

News.com.au (2019, May 11). Commentator mocked for saying parents should ask babies for consent to nappy change. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/commentator-mocked-for-saying-parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-to-nappy-change/news-story/6f3c45120ef9de5dee3df81621715c1b" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/commentator-mocked-for-saying-parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-to-nappy-change/news-story/6f3c45120ef9de5dee3df81621715c1b</a>

<hr />

Padilla-Walker, L.M., McLean, R.D., Ogles, B., &amp; Pollard, B. (2020). How do parents teach “No means no”? An exploration of how sexual consent beliefs are socialized during adolescence. The Journal of Sex Research 57(9), 1122-1133.

<hr />

Popova, M. (2019). Sexual consent. Boston: MIT.

<hr />

RAINN (2023). Victims of sexual violence: Statistics. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence</a>

<hr />

Rutherford, A. (2018, September 17). What the origins of the ‘1 in 5’ statistic teaches us about sexual assault policy. Behavioral Scientist. Retrieved from: <a href="https://behavioralscientist.org/what-the-origins-of-the-1-in-5-statistic-teaches-us-about-sexual-assault-policy/#:~:text=Referring%20to%20the%20number%20of,prevent%2C%20and%20prosecute%20sexual%20assault" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://behavioralscientist.org/what-the-origins-of-the-1-in-5-statistic-teaches-us-about-sexual-assault-policy/#:~:text=Referring%20to%20the%20number%20of,prevent%2C%20and%20prosecute%20sexual%20assault</a>.

<hr />

Tarvis, C. (1989). Anger: The misunderstood emotion (Revised Ed.). Chicago: Touchstone.

<hr />

Willis, M., Jozkowski, K.N., &amp; Read, J. (2019). Sexual consent in K-12 sex education: An analysis of current health education standards in the United States. Sex Education 19(2), 226-236.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/consent]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1b36528d-9d18-462a-a5b4-dbd8c309f46a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1555a83a-471b-4db6-8acc-f1a1bfc4c25e/201-audio-edited.mp3" length="59373107" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>201</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>201</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/9c986eaf-5454-4363-b9ae-cf321405dfa0/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>200: Ask Alvin Anything (Part 1!)</title><itunes:title>200: Ask Alvin Anything (Part 1!)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When I saw that our 200th episode was coming up, I knew I wanted to do something special to celebrate. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/episode100/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Listeners called in with questions for me for our 100th episode</a>, which was released in September 2019. The numbering is a bit fuzzy, I have to admit - we're actually well over 200 episodes because there have been an assortment of Sharing Your Parenting Mojo conversations with parents and other folks that use a different numbering system, but whatever. It's still a milestone😊

&nbsp;

Back then, I was just getting into exploring big social justice issues on the podcast. Early in 2020 I did two episodes on how <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/patriarchy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">patriarchy</a> affects our <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingpatriarchy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">parenting</a>, followed by <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/race" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an extended series on the intersection of race and parenting</a>, and several episodes on <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/advertising" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">advertising</a> and <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/consumerism" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">consumerism</a>.

&nbsp;

We <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/pleasuremechanics" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">learned a lot</a> about <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondsexed" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sex</a>, and I started what has become a series of 'deconstructed' episodes where I examine an idea that is usually assumed to be 'the way it is,' and find out that perhaps that isn't the way it is after all. I looked at:
<ul>
 	<li><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/attachmentresearch" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How most of what we think we know about attachment theory is probably wrong </a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingstyles" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Authoritative isn't the best parenting 'style'</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/polyvagaltheory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The current darling of anyone working on mental health, Polyvagal theory, is most likely a myth</a> (although it may still be a somewhat useful myth)</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

In June of 2022, in preparation for a pair of episodes on supporting neurodivergent <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/neurodivergentparents" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">parents </a>and <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/neurodivergent" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">children</a>, I interviewed Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, who is autistic, to test out the autism screener. I wasn't expecting it to return a positive result for me, ultimately resulting in <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/me" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a self-diagnosis that, of course, I shared in an episode</a>. Lots of listeners reached out after that one to offer gratitude, and one message I will carry for a long time said something like: "I always conceptually knew that neurodivergent people have value but it wasn't until I heard how your autism helps you to process all of this information for us that I truly <em>got</em> it."

&nbsp;

So given that you've heard a lot from and about me over the last few years, I thought a natural next step would be to offer listeners the option of asking my husband Alvin anything they wanted!

&nbsp;

We received quite a few questions, and two listeners - iris, who has been around for many years, and Corrine who joined us more recently - stepped up to co-interview him. I was quite willing to throw him to the wolves and let him do the interview himself but he wanted me to be there, so I joined as well. (I should note that the conversation was scheduled for a week when some really hard things were happening in a community that I'm in, and my energy level was a bit low.)

&nbsp;

Alvin has many amazing qualities but succinctness has never been among them, so unfortunately we only made it through about half of iris and Corrine's questions, as well as those that listeners submitted. We did talk about:
<ul>
 	<li>Alvin's relationship with his own parents (who think we're terrible parents to Carys);</li>
 	<li>How we met (an inappropriate workplace relationship!);</li>
 	<li>How Carys is similar to/different from us;</li>
 	<li>What I was like before I started the podcast compared to now;</li>
 	<li>How Alvin has changed over the last 10 years, as a person and as a parent - and how he's deepening his relationship with Carys using Your Parenting Mojo's tools</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

We plan to come back for round two in the future!

&nbsp;

Here are a couple of things we talked about on the episode:
<ul>
 	<li>A somewhat difficult-to-see picture of Alvin with long bleached hair</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.cicerone.co.uk/authors/jen-lumanlan" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">My guides to hiking the Tour du Mont Blanc with a baby</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:42 Introduction to this episode

00:55 Guest hosts Iris and Corrine introduce themselves

06:54 Alvin shares the elevator pitch for his love story with Jen

15:18 Jen’s qualities that drew Alvin to her

20:42 Alvin’s childhood and family interactions while growing up

27:17 Family conflicts arising from diverse approaches to meeting core needs, especially in Carys's relationship with her grandparents

32:22 The changes (if any) in Jen's personality and approach to parenting from before she started researching the topic to the present

37:28 Alvin’s reflection on the impact and significance of Your Parenting Mojo

43:51 The ways Carys differs from Jen and Alvin

47:14 The most significant shifts for Alvin as a parent and as a person.

57:56 Wrapping up the discussion]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When I saw that our 200th episode was coming up, I knew I wanted to do something special to celebrate. <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/episode100/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Listeners called in with questions for me for our 100th episode</a>, which was released in September 2019. The numbering is a bit fuzzy, I have to admit - we're actually well over 200 episodes because there have been an assortment of Sharing Your Parenting Mojo conversations with parents and other folks that use a different numbering system, but whatever. It's still a milestone😊

&nbsp;

Back then, I was just getting into exploring big social justice issues on the podcast. Early in 2020 I did two episodes on how <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/patriarchy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">patriarchy</a> affects our <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingpatriarchy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">parenting</a>, followed by <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/race" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an extended series on the intersection of race and parenting</a>, and several episodes on <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/advertising" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">advertising</a> and <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/consumerism" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">consumerism</a>.

&nbsp;

We <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/pleasuremechanics" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">learned a lot</a> about <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondsexed" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sex</a>, and I started what has become a series of 'deconstructed' episodes where I examine an idea that is usually assumed to be 'the way it is,' and find out that perhaps that isn't the way it is after all. I looked at:
<ul>
 	<li><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/attachmentresearch" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How most of what we think we know about attachment theory is probably wrong </a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingstyles" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Authoritative isn't the best parenting 'style'</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/polyvagaltheory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The current darling of anyone working on mental health, Polyvagal theory, is most likely a myth</a> (although it may still be a somewhat useful myth)</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

In June of 2022, in preparation for a pair of episodes on supporting neurodivergent <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/neurodivergentparents" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">parents </a>and <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/neurodivergent" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">children</a>, I interviewed Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, who is autistic, to test out the autism screener. I wasn't expecting it to return a positive result for me, ultimately resulting in <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/me" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a self-diagnosis that, of course, I shared in an episode</a>. Lots of listeners reached out after that one to offer gratitude, and one message I will carry for a long time said something like: "I always conceptually knew that neurodivergent people have value but it wasn't until I heard how your autism helps you to process all of this information for us that I truly <em>got</em> it."

&nbsp;

So given that you've heard a lot from and about me over the last few years, I thought a natural next step would be to offer listeners the option of asking my husband Alvin anything they wanted!

&nbsp;

We received quite a few questions, and two listeners - iris, who has been around for many years, and Corrine who joined us more recently - stepped up to co-interview him. I was quite willing to throw him to the wolves and let him do the interview himself but he wanted me to be there, so I joined as well. (I should note that the conversation was scheduled for a week when some really hard things were happening in a community that I'm in, and my energy level was a bit low.)

&nbsp;

Alvin has many amazing qualities but succinctness has never been among them, so unfortunately we only made it through about half of iris and Corrine's questions, as well as those that listeners submitted. We did talk about:
<ul>
 	<li>Alvin's relationship with his own parents (who think we're terrible parents to Carys);</li>
 	<li>How we met (an inappropriate workplace relationship!);</li>
 	<li>How Carys is similar to/different from us;</li>
 	<li>What I was like before I started the podcast compared to now;</li>
 	<li>How Alvin has changed over the last 10 years, as a person and as a parent - and how he's deepening his relationship with Carys using Your Parenting Mojo's tools</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

We plan to come back for round two in the future!

&nbsp;

Here are a couple of things we talked about on the episode:
<ul>
 	<li>A somewhat difficult-to-see picture of Alvin with long bleached hair</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.cicerone.co.uk/authors/jen-lumanlan" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">My guides to hiking the Tour du Mont Blanc with a baby</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:42 Introduction to this episode

00:55 Guest hosts Iris and Corrine introduce themselves

06:54 Alvin shares the elevator pitch for his love story with Jen

15:18 Jen’s qualities that drew Alvin to her

20:42 Alvin’s childhood and family interactions while growing up

27:17 Family conflicts arising from diverse approaches to meeting core needs, especially in Carys's relationship with her grandparents

32:22 The changes (if any) in Jen's personality and approach to parenting from before she started researching the topic to the present

37:28 Alvin’s reflection on the impact and significance of Your Parenting Mojo

43:51 The ways Carys differs from Jen and Alvin

47:14 The most significant shifts for Alvin as a parent and as a person.

57:56 Wrapping up the discussion]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/askalvinpart1]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b99eb99d-cdd7-4e32-a9c4-9b24d668a9e3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f38fa418-04fd-4b02-a26f-5084f4cb2e91/Ask-Alvin-Anything-edited.mp3" length="60487796" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>200</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>200</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/28dfd1ac-73a2-428a-a2c6-0c4b2e10e389/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>199: Digging Deeper into Parenting Beyond Power with Rachel Disney</title><itunes:title>199: Digging Deeper into Parenting Beyond Power with Rachel Disney</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Listener Rachel also reached out with some questions, and due to my <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/booktour" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">book tour schedule</a> it took us a little longer to get a call on the calendar, but eventually - on a day in Seattle when I also had a coaching call and two two-hour workshops based on the book - we made it happen.

&nbsp;

Rachel's questions go deeeep. She wanted to know:

&nbsp;
<ul>
 	<li>If there are ideas I logically know are the right ones to follow but I still have trouble doing it;</li>
 	<li>How my parenting is evolving as Carys gets older (her own daughter is a year older than Carys);</li>
 	<li>Whether I think my view of parenting is possible within the social and political systems in which we currently live.</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
Do you want to change the way you parent and make a positive impact on your family and the world?

&nbsp;

<em>Parenting Beyond Power </em>is your key to unlocking this transformative path.

&nbsp;

Embrace a fresh parenting approach, nurturing collaborative and harmonious connections with your children, all while contributing to a more inclusive and equitable world for all.

&nbsp;

So don't hesitate – start transforming your parenting journey today, and grab your copy of <em>Parenting Beyond Power</em> now to get started! Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Taming <em>Your</em> Triggers</h3>
Do you often find yourself caught in the whirlwind of your child's challenging behavior?

&nbsp;

Are you seeking ways to foster calm and connection in your parenting journey, even during the most trying moments?

&nbsp;

Look no further—Taming Your Triggers will help.

&nbsp;

If you:
<ul>
 	<li>Often feel triggered by your child’s difficult behavior…</li>
 	<li>Want to find out how to get your child to stop doing the thing that drives you up the wall</li>
 	<li>Know you want to respond calmly to your child but can’t seem to do it in the moment…</li>
 	<li>Want to parent with love and connection even on the most stressful days</li>
 	<li>Feel like gentle parenting techniques won’t ‘work’ with your child</li>
</ul><br/>
Then Taming Your Triggers is for you.

&nbsp;

This workshop will empower you with the tools, insights, and support to navigate the ups and downs of parenting with confidence. It helps in all relationships - spouses and parents/in-laws too!

&nbsp;

Join the waitlist to get notified when doors reopen.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-13194" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/TYT-Waitlist.png" alt="Taming Your Triggers Waitlist" width="1350" height="750" /></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:20  Introducing today’s guest and topic

03:51  Rachel asks how the content of Parenting Beyond Power differs from that of the podcast

07:19  Rachel appreciates the comprehensiveness of the book and asks if there will be another on the topic of Taming Your Triggers.

07:56  Jen recommends a related book and emphasizes the value of community support for deep inner work in changing reactions to triggers.

08:46  Rachel asks whether power is inherently bad, specifically in the context of parents having power.

14:01  Jen warns against using parental power to control love and belonging through conditional rewards, leading to an unhealthy dynamic with children.

15:12  Rachel asks Jen about personal struggles applying podcast principles, questioning if difficulties persist despite knowing they're right.

19:32  Jen emphasizes recognizing resistance in both children and adults and discusses the trifecta of frustration, anger, and resentment as indicators of unmet needs for parents and children.

21:39  Jen discusses how she reconciles being research-based when acknowledging the biases in the research.

26:42  Rachel asks how Jen measures success.

28:18  They explore whether it's reasonable to ask parents, especially White parents, to challenge societal norms and emphasize the collective responsibility to confront and dismantle systems rooted in White supremacy.

32:28  The conversation mentions the overrepresentation of participants with one or two children, speculating on political leanings. Jen affirms her parenting approach's relevance for families with more children.

36:00  Jen talks about her hopes for readers and what she wants them to take away from the book.

39:33  Rachel acknowledges understanding the book's emphasis on building a better society through individual change.

40:23  Wrapping up the discussion]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Listener Rachel also reached out with some questions, and due to my <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/booktour" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">book tour schedule</a> it took us a little longer to get a call on the calendar, but eventually - on a day in Seattle when I also had a coaching call and two two-hour workshops based on the book - we made it happen.

&nbsp;

Rachel's questions go deeeep. She wanted to know:

&nbsp;
<ul>
 	<li>If there are ideas I logically know are the right ones to follow but I still have trouble doing it;</li>
 	<li>How my parenting is evolving as Carys gets older (her own daughter is a year older than Carys);</li>
 	<li>Whether I think my view of parenting is possible within the social and political systems in which we currently live.</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
Do you want to change the way you parent and make a positive impact on your family and the world?

&nbsp;

<em>Parenting Beyond Power </em>is your key to unlocking this transformative path.

&nbsp;

Embrace a fresh parenting approach, nurturing collaborative and harmonious connections with your children, all while contributing to a more inclusive and equitable world for all.

&nbsp;

So don't hesitate – start transforming your parenting journey today, and grab your copy of <em>Parenting Beyond Power</em> now to get started! Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Taming <em>Your</em> Triggers</h3>
Do you often find yourself caught in the whirlwind of your child's challenging behavior?

&nbsp;

Are you seeking ways to foster calm and connection in your parenting journey, even during the most trying moments?

&nbsp;

Look no further—Taming Your Triggers will help.

&nbsp;

If you:
<ul>
 	<li>Often feel triggered by your child’s difficult behavior…</li>
 	<li>Want to find out how to get your child to stop doing the thing that drives you up the wall</li>
 	<li>Know you want to respond calmly to your child but can’t seem to do it in the moment…</li>
 	<li>Want to parent with love and connection even on the most stressful days</li>
 	<li>Feel like gentle parenting techniques won’t ‘work’ with your child</li>
</ul><br/>
Then Taming Your Triggers is for you.

&nbsp;

This workshop will empower you with the tools, insights, and support to navigate the ups and downs of parenting with confidence. It helps in all relationships - spouses and parents/in-laws too!

&nbsp;

Join the waitlist to get notified when doors reopen.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-13194" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/TYT-Waitlist.png" alt="Taming Your Triggers Waitlist" width="1350" height="750" /></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:20  Introducing today’s guest and topic

03:51  Rachel asks how the content of Parenting Beyond Power differs from that of the podcast

07:19  Rachel appreciates the comprehensiveness of the book and asks if there will be another on the topic of Taming Your Triggers.

07:56  Jen recommends a related book and emphasizes the value of community support for deep inner work in changing reactions to triggers.

08:46  Rachel asks whether power is inherently bad, specifically in the context of parents having power.

14:01  Jen warns against using parental power to control love and belonging through conditional rewards, leading to an unhealthy dynamic with children.

15:12  Rachel asks Jen about personal struggles applying podcast principles, questioning if difficulties persist despite knowing they're right.

19:32  Jen emphasizes recognizing resistance in both children and adults and discusses the trifecta of frustration, anger, and resentment as indicators of unmet needs for parents and children.

21:39  Jen discusses how she reconciles being research-based when acknowledging the biases in the research.

26:42  Rachel asks how Jen measures success.

28:18  They explore whether it's reasonable to ask parents, especially White parents, to challenge societal norms and emphasize the collective responsibility to confront and dismantle systems rooted in White supremacy.

32:28  The conversation mentions the overrepresentation of participants with one or two children, speculating on political leanings. Jen affirms her parenting approach's relevance for families with more children.

36:00  Jen talks about her hopes for readers and what she wants them to take away from the book.

39:33  Rachel acknowledges understanding the book's emphasis on building a better society through individual change.

40:23  Wrapping up the discussion]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/deeperintopbp]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">18ec7c45-409d-4049-853e-44898dfa8727</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/46984fb0-e0b1-4ff2-99cd-4990de5af009/Digging-Deeper-into-Parenting-Beyond-Power-v2.mp3" length="42121835" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>199</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>199</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6227cb81-fdf7-4541-ba13-57572f7249e4/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>198: The connection between your ideas about childhood and politics with Dr. Toby Rollo</title><itunes:title>198: The connection between your ideas about childhood and politics with Dr. Toby Rollo</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[A couple of years ago I was watching a session of the <a href="https://www.self-directed.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Alliance for Self-Directed Education</a>'s online conference by unschooling advocate <a href="http://idziedesmarais.weebly.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Idzie Desmerais</a>. At some point she dropped a quote into her presentation that I jotted down but didn't think much of at the time:

&nbsp;

<em>What if your ideas about politics were just your ideas about childhood, extrapolated?</em>

&nbsp;

I returned to my notes some months later, having spent much of that time immersed in writing the first draft of the book, the quote almost took my breath away. There, right in front of me, was a single sentence that encapsulated so much of what I'd been thinking and writing about.

&nbsp;

On the surface, it may seem as though these topics are completely unrelated but they are actually intimately connected.

&nbsp;

We use politics set up systems that support the culture we want to live in.

&nbsp;

We <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/timeline-voter-suppression-us-civil-war-today/story?id=72248473" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">create systems that make it harder to vote</a> because we don't think everyone should be able to vote - especially if you aren't White, male, or at least middle class.

&nbsp;

We <a href="https://edtrust.org/affirmative-action/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0vWnBhC6ARIsAJpJM6ehzkzexUNEaxvYUMZ2YdRHIzJOsZK04dlXpeOXo3Rv2ezYmwswy28aAi7_EALw_wcB" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">abolish Affirmative Action in college admissions</a> because we think everyone has the same basic chance to succeed, so there's no reason to support some more than others.

&nbsp;

Government policies establish the conditions of capitalism - like <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/freedom-fairness-and-american-capitalism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">manipulating interest rates, regulating companies' ability to engage in certain business practices, and offering tax cuts</a> for activities we collectively think are good, which ends up transferring wealth from people with less money who rent, to people with more money who buy homes.

&nbsp;

And we shape them to try to ensure their success in these systems.

&nbsp;

If we believe that <a href="https://mikejohnson.house.gov/7-core-principles-of-conservatism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">people should basically take care of themselves rather than relying on support from others, since we all have equal skills and freedoms</a>, then we're probably going to raise children who do things for themselves without relying on other people.

&nbsp;

If we see that <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healthyboys/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">boys get punished</a> for <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/masculinities/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">'being soft'</a> and that girls get punished for expressing big ideas (Clementine Ford's <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Be-Clementine-Ford/dp/1786076632" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Boys Will Be Boys</a>, which discusses online take-downs of women who express ideas, is one of the most depressing books I've ever read), then we're probably going to raise boys who don't express weakness, or girls who express big ideas. (Little ideas are OK...but nothing that could rock the boat too much.)

&nbsp;

If we think that there are limited resources in the world and our child has to get their place in school, university, employment or someone else will, then we're going to work to get our child ahead in that system.

&nbsp;

And because all of those systems out in the world rely on one person or group's power over another person or group, we practice that at home as well.

&nbsp;

In this provocative episode, Dr. Toby Rollo explains in-depth how our ideas about politics are our ideas about childhood, extrapolated. Yes, it's theoretical...but we also discuss what this means for OUR real children in OUR real families.

&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
Do you want to change the way you parent and make a positive impact on your family and the world?

<em>Parenting Beyond Power </em>is your key to unlocking this transformative path.

Embrace a fresh parenting approach, nurturing collaborative and harmonious connections with your children, all while contributing to a more inclusive and equitable world for all.

So don't hesitate – start transforming your parenting journey today, and grab your copy of <em>Parenting Beyond Power</em> now to get started! Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:42 Introduction to today’s guest and topic

02:16 The definition of children and childhood

04:58 The historical shift from a protective view of childhood to a modern perspective emphasizing children's progression toward becoming adults and citizens

10:55 The developmental view of childhood is criticized for biases, as it deems non-Western governance as inferior.

16:23 Dr. Toby Rollo challenges the Western perspective on political agency, seeing children as political agents.

20:38 Dismantling racism and patriarchy requires challenging early patterns of oppression in adult-child relationships

30:50 Advocating for a change in society's focus to better empower children and families

37:12 Exploring the link between political ideologies and ideas about childhood

45:12 Dr. Rollo suggests conventional school success doesn't guarantee overall well-being and advocates for fostering children's internal motivation and self-awareness.

54:00 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Araujo, E., Ferretti, F., Ince, A., Moason, K., Mullenite, J., Pickerill, J., Rollo, T., &amp; White, R.J. (2017). Beyond electoralism: Reflections on anarchy, populism, and the crisis of electoral politics. ACME: An International E-Journal for Critical Geographies 16(4), 607-642.

<hr />

Brito Vieira, M., Jung, T., Gray, S.W.D., &amp; Rollo, T. (2019). The nature of silence and its democratic possibilities. Contemporary Political Theory 18, 424-447.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2016). Everyday deeds: Enactive protest, exit, and silence in deliberative systems. Political Theory 45(5), 587-609.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2016). Democracy, agency, and radical children’s geographies. In: R.J. White, S. Springer, and Lopes de Sousa, M.: The Practice of Freedom: Anarchism, Geography, and the Spirit of Revolt (Vol. 3) (p.235-255). Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2018). Feral children: Settler colonialism, progress, and the figure of the child. Settler Colonial Studies 8(1), 60-79.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2018). The color of childhood: The role of the child/human binary in the production of anti-Black racism. Journal of Black Studies 49(4), 307-329.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2020). Women and Children First! Childhood, Feminisms, and the Co-emancipatory Model. <em>Turbulent Times, Transformational Possibilities?: Gender and Politics Today and Tomorrow</em>, 199.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[A couple of years ago I was watching a session of the <a href="https://www.self-directed.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Alliance for Self-Directed Education</a>'s online conference by unschooling advocate <a href="http://idziedesmarais.weebly.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Idzie Desmerais</a>. At some point she dropped a quote into her presentation that I jotted down but didn't think much of at the time:

&nbsp;

<em>What if your ideas about politics were just your ideas about childhood, extrapolated?</em>

&nbsp;

I returned to my notes some months later, having spent much of that time immersed in writing the first draft of the book, the quote almost took my breath away. There, right in front of me, was a single sentence that encapsulated so much of what I'd been thinking and writing about.

&nbsp;

On the surface, it may seem as though these topics are completely unrelated but they are actually intimately connected.

&nbsp;

We use politics set up systems that support the culture we want to live in.

&nbsp;

We <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/timeline-voter-suppression-us-civil-war-today/story?id=72248473" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">create systems that make it harder to vote</a> because we don't think everyone should be able to vote - especially if you aren't White, male, or at least middle class.

&nbsp;

We <a href="https://edtrust.org/affirmative-action/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0vWnBhC6ARIsAJpJM6ehzkzexUNEaxvYUMZ2YdRHIzJOsZK04dlXpeOXo3Rv2ezYmwswy28aAi7_EALw_wcB" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">abolish Affirmative Action in college admissions</a> because we think everyone has the same basic chance to succeed, so there's no reason to support some more than others.

&nbsp;

Government policies establish the conditions of capitalism - like <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/freedom-fairness-and-american-capitalism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">manipulating interest rates, regulating companies' ability to engage in certain business practices, and offering tax cuts</a> for activities we collectively think are good, which ends up transferring wealth from people with less money who rent, to people with more money who buy homes.

&nbsp;

And we shape them to try to ensure their success in these systems.

&nbsp;

If we believe that <a href="https://mikejohnson.house.gov/7-core-principles-of-conservatism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">people should basically take care of themselves rather than relying on support from others, since we all have equal skills and freedoms</a>, then we're probably going to raise children who do things for themselves without relying on other people.

&nbsp;

If we see that <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healthyboys/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">boys get punished</a> for <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/masculinities/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">'being soft'</a> and that girls get punished for expressing big ideas (Clementine Ford's <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Be-Clementine-Ford/dp/1786076632" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Boys Will Be Boys</a>, which discusses online take-downs of women who express ideas, is one of the most depressing books I've ever read), then we're probably going to raise boys who don't express weakness, or girls who express big ideas. (Little ideas are OK...but nothing that could rock the boat too much.)

&nbsp;

If we think that there are limited resources in the world and our child has to get their place in school, university, employment or someone else will, then we're going to work to get our child ahead in that system.

&nbsp;

And because all of those systems out in the world rely on one person or group's power over another person or group, we practice that at home as well.

&nbsp;

In this provocative episode, Dr. Toby Rollo explains in-depth how our ideas about politics are our ideas about childhood, extrapolated. Yes, it's theoretical...but we also discuss what this means for OUR real children in OUR real families.

&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
Do you want to change the way you parent and make a positive impact on your family and the world?

<em>Parenting Beyond Power </em>is your key to unlocking this transformative path.

Embrace a fresh parenting approach, nurturing collaborative and harmonious connections with your children, all while contributing to a more inclusive and equitable world for all.

So don't hesitate – start transforming your parenting journey today, and grab your copy of <em>Parenting Beyond Power</em> now to get started! Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:42 Introduction to today’s guest and topic

02:16 The definition of children and childhood

04:58 The historical shift from a protective view of childhood to a modern perspective emphasizing children's progression toward becoming adults and citizens

10:55 The developmental view of childhood is criticized for biases, as it deems non-Western governance as inferior.

16:23 Dr. Toby Rollo challenges the Western perspective on political agency, seeing children as political agents.

20:38 Dismantling racism and patriarchy requires challenging early patterns of oppression in adult-child relationships

30:50 Advocating for a change in society's focus to better empower children and families

37:12 Exploring the link between political ideologies and ideas about childhood

45:12 Dr. Rollo suggests conventional school success doesn't guarantee overall well-being and advocates for fostering children's internal motivation and self-awareness.

54:00 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Araujo, E., Ferretti, F., Ince, A., Moason, K., Mullenite, J., Pickerill, J., Rollo, T., &amp; White, R.J. (2017). Beyond electoralism: Reflections on anarchy, populism, and the crisis of electoral politics. ACME: An International E-Journal for Critical Geographies 16(4), 607-642.

<hr />

Brito Vieira, M., Jung, T., Gray, S.W.D., &amp; Rollo, T. (2019). The nature of silence and its democratic possibilities. Contemporary Political Theory 18, 424-447.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2016). Everyday deeds: Enactive protest, exit, and silence in deliberative systems. Political Theory 45(5), 587-609.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2016). Democracy, agency, and radical children’s geographies. In: R.J. White, S. Springer, and Lopes de Sousa, M.: The Practice of Freedom: Anarchism, Geography, and the Spirit of Revolt (Vol. 3) (p.235-255). Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2018). Feral children: Settler colonialism, progress, and the figure of the child. Settler Colonial Studies 8(1), 60-79.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2018). The color of childhood: The role of the child/human binary in the production of anti-Black racism. Journal of Black Studies 49(4), 307-329.

<hr />

Rollo, T. (2020). Women and Children First! Childhood, Feminisms, and the Co-emancipatory Model. <em>Turbulent Times, Transformational Possibilities?: Gender and Politics Today and Tomorrow</em>, 199.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/childhoodextrapolated]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d7fc82e8-cd24-4c56-976f-f302ce374a3c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/24e3e749-0a17-4dda-8619-b78ebdf2a4f9/The-connection-between-your-ideas-about-childhood-and-politics-.mp3" length="55435924" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>198</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>198</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/58027a15-89c3-4a44-8d70-100753158975/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>197: What to do about reward and punishment systems at school with Denise Suarez</title><itunes:title>197: What to do about reward and punishment systems at school with Denise Suarez</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This is the first in a series of 'back to basics' episodes here on the show, where we'll look at the everyday challenges you're facing as a parent. (Have an idea for an episode? Share it on this thread in our free Facebook group, send us a max 2 minute video of you saying your question, or <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/question/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">click here</a> to record an audio message for me...)

&nbsp;

I'd wanted to do an episode on the use of reward &amp; punishment systems in classrooms for a while, and when I mentioned this to my community manager Denise, she immediately started telling me all about the systems in her children's classrooms. So Denise sent me her questions, and we chatted through the research-based answers in this episode.

&nbsp;

To make it easier for you to start a conversation at your school about rewards and punishment systems, I've created a one page 'cheat sheet' for you to share with others. Just click the image below to download it!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/846b7a8053414b11bd2690eb9d10ff22.phpi2q0xy?Expires=4879703218&amp;Signature=JT2iy9-X64GxOTL0FZvXdNaLD2l7AOyIo2OcpvElKRBmIG4AGM7wsjhiNUYCVlIx6Nc7bGJOkA9PS7ZdF~EYcLgUl2u4ucbwss~gJIFvc16UJbP4ygCLZ~T6QBV50feQmpldeglmIegR0wz1CFyw7GKk7AJ5RBE~mte1rtvjVeloZAJ1hQnMWOBNFdAMniw1~QHapv0G~9ewAnbBphzVZZ5My3wB9BsqgshECe4ab-YAC8txOAFD1jrTkS~HLPCOhhJ~gor7BvfzWV2wYwG192yFYaByLqOzPtryKUfDU63WUatujXo5Yl-Y-a1JvqGWDysjTgBULHX5o2e-sq6mxg__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s guest and topic

03:16 Denise delves into her decision to opt for public school, specifically the factors that led her to choose the particular school she did over other available options

07:53 Denise shares her experiences related to rewards and punishments prompted her to discuss this episode

14:51 Positive Behavior Intervention and Support (PBIS) is explored, with the discussion touching on concerns about potential humiliation and conflicting principles in behavior management systems

25:50 Behavior issues result from the coercive U.S. education system, where teachers may prioritize quiet classrooms over addressing problems, potentially hindering genuine student learning.

27:14 Ways to foster kids' intrinsic motivation in light of the prevalent use of extrinsic motivation in the classroom are explored

32:22 Self-determination theory and its application in this context is discussed

35:44 Strategies to prevent burnout for children are explored, considering their substantial time in school, with a focus on identifying warning signs of any diminishing effectiveness in current approach.

44:32 Addressing racialized parents' support of the system involves recognizing privilege and having delicate conversations to advocate for change

53:33 Identify and address barriers like childcare and transportation to make parental involvement more accessible and effective in the community.

55:03 Fostering a culture of autonomy, connectedness, and competence in the classroom requires understanding and meeting the diverse needs of students and teachers, building genuine connections, and addressing concerns to create a community of care and love in the learning environment.

01:04:32 Understanding individual needs and values is crucial when considering educational choices.

01:09:58 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Adams, D. (2015). Implementation of school-wide Positive Behavior Supports in the Neoliberal Context in an Urban Elementary School. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, Syracuse University.

<hr />

Bornstein, J. (2017). Can PBIS build justice rather than merely restore order? In The School to Prison Pipeline: The Role of Culture and Discipline in School (p.135-167). Retrieved from: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1108/S2051-231720160000004008" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://dx.doi.org/10.1108/S2051-231720160000004008</a>

<hr />

Bornstein, J. (2017). Entanglements of discipline, behavioral intervention, race, and disability. Journal of Cases in Educational Leadership 20(2), 131-144.

<hr />

Bornstein, J. (2015). “If they’re on Tier I, there are really no concerns that we can see:” PBIS medicalizes compliant behavior. Journal of Ethnographic &amp; Qualitative Research 9, 247-267.

<hr />

Calais, J., &amp; Green, M. (2022). The racial pandemic: Positive Behavior Intervention Support as an asymptomatic carrier of racism. Perspectives on Early Childhood Psychology and Education 6(1), Article 4.

<hr />

Compise, Karin D. (2019). Student perceptions of the clip chart management system. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA.

<hr />

Kim, R.M., &amp; Venet, A.S. (2023). Unsnarling PBIS and Trauma-Informed Education. Urban Education 1-29. DOI: 10.1177/00420859231175670

<hr />

Kowalski, M.J., &amp; Froiland, J.M. (2020). Parent perceptions of elementary classroom management systems and their children’s motivational and emotional responses. Social Psychology of Education 23, 433-448.

<hr />

Lewis, T. J., &amp; Sugai, G. (1999). Effective behavior support: A systems approach to proactive School wide management. Focus on Exceptional Children, 31(6), 1-24.

<hr />

Noddings, N. (2005). The challenge to care in schools. New York: Teacher’s College Press.

<hr />

Robbins, C.G., &amp; Kovalchuk, S. (2012). Dangerous disciplines: Understanding pedagogies of punishment in the neoliberal states of America. Journal of Pedagogy 3, 198-218.

<hr />

Shalaby, C. (2017). Troublemakers: Lessons in freedom from young children at school. New York: The New Press.

<hr />

Williamson, B. (2017). Decoding ClassDojo: Psychopolicy, social-emotional learning, and persuasive educational technologies. Learning, Media and Technology 42(4), 440-453.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This is the first in a series of 'back to basics' episodes here on the show, where we'll look at the everyday challenges you're facing as a parent. (Have an idea for an episode? Share it on this thread in our free Facebook group, send us a max 2 minute video of you saying your question, or <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/question/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">click here</a> to record an audio message for me...)

&nbsp;

I'd wanted to do an episode on the use of reward &amp; punishment systems in classrooms for a while, and when I mentioned this to my community manager Denise, she immediately started telling me all about the systems in her children's classrooms. So Denise sent me her questions, and we chatted through the research-based answers in this episode.

&nbsp;

To make it easier for you to start a conversation at your school about rewards and punishment systems, I've created a one page 'cheat sheet' for you to share with others. Just click the image below to download it!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://file.ontraport.com/media/846b7a8053414b11bd2690eb9d10ff22.phpi2q0xy?Expires=4879703218&amp;Signature=JT2iy9-X64GxOTL0FZvXdNaLD2l7AOyIo2OcpvElKRBmIG4AGM7wsjhiNUYCVlIx6Nc7bGJOkA9PS7ZdF~EYcLgUl2u4ucbwss~gJIFvc16UJbP4ygCLZ~T6QBV50feQmpldeglmIegR0wz1CFyw7GKk7AJ5RBE~mte1rtvjVeloZAJ1hQnMWOBNFdAMniw1~QHapv0G~9ewAnbBphzVZZ5My3wB9BsqgshECe4ab-YAC8txOAFD1jrTkS~HLPCOhhJ~gor7BvfzWV2wYwG192yFYaByLqOzPtryKUfDU63WUatujXo5Yl-Y-a1JvqGWDysjTgBULHX5o2e-sq6mxg__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJVAAMVW6XQYWSTNA"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introducing today’s guest and topic

03:16 Denise delves into her decision to opt for public school, specifically the factors that led her to choose the particular school she did over other available options

07:53 Denise shares her experiences related to rewards and punishments prompted her to discuss this episode

14:51 Positive Behavior Intervention and Support (PBIS) is explored, with the discussion touching on concerns about potential humiliation and conflicting principles in behavior management systems

25:50 Behavior issues result from the coercive U.S. education system, where teachers may prioritize quiet classrooms over addressing problems, potentially hindering genuine student learning.

27:14 Ways to foster kids' intrinsic motivation in light of the prevalent use of extrinsic motivation in the classroom are explored

32:22 Self-determination theory and its application in this context is discussed

35:44 Strategies to prevent burnout for children are explored, considering their substantial time in school, with a focus on identifying warning signs of any diminishing effectiveness in current approach.

44:32 Addressing racialized parents' support of the system involves recognizing privilege and having delicate conversations to advocate for change

53:33 Identify and address barriers like childcare and transportation to make parental involvement more accessible and effective in the community.

55:03 Fostering a culture of autonomy, connectedness, and competence in the classroom requires understanding and meeting the diverse needs of students and teachers, building genuine connections, and addressing concerns to create a community of care and love in the learning environment.

01:04:32 Understanding individual needs and values is crucial when considering educational choices.

01:09:58 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Adams, D. (2015). Implementation of school-wide Positive Behavior Supports in the Neoliberal Context in an Urban Elementary School. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, Syracuse University.

<hr />

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Williamson, B. (2017). Decoding ClassDojo: Psychopolicy, social-emotional learning, and persuasive educational technologies. Learning, Media and Technology 42(4), 440-453.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/rewardandpunishment]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">dd998a3a-6959-4a5b-9391-5f71f524ef94</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a4442082-ea58-4f69-8e4d-aa8b9003d35c/Rewards-and-Punishment-with-Denise-edited.mp3" length="72995644" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:16:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>197</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>197</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/e859fb25-01ee-4ac7-b60c-3fda4311a534/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>196: How to do right by your child – and everyone else’s with Dr. Elizabeth Cripps</title><itunes:title>196: How to do right by your child – and everyone else’s with Elizabeth Cripps</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Do you worry about the state of the Earth? Climate change perhaps above all else, but also resource extraction, air pollution, and the injustice that goes along with the ways the impacts of these things are distributed?</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>You're not the only one.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>I know not everyone goes this far, but one of the reasons I waited so long to have a baby, almost didn't have a baby, and will only have one child is to reduce my impact on climate change.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>We all know we're supposed to fly less, drive less, and eat less meat. But how can those actions ever be enough, when (I read somewhere a long time ago) that there aren't enough resources on the planet for everyone to consume the resources that an unhoused person in the United States uses?</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>In her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Earth-Philosophers-Guide-Everyone/dp/0262047586" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting on Earth: A Philosopher's Guide to Doing Right by Your Kids - and Everyone Else's</a> (affiliate link),&nbsp;Dr. Elizabeth Cripps walks us through the moral arguments involved in taking action on these issues - as well as the ones we use to justify <em>not</em> taking action.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>I really enjoyed this book. There are so many ways it could have gone wrong. Dr. Cripps is a White European philosopher writing about ways we can reduce our environmental impact.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The book could have been dense (ever get lost trying to follow a philosophical argument? 🙋‍♀️)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It could have been preachy.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It could have been completely tone-deaf, and say that we all bear the same responsibility to make changes.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It doesn't do any of those things.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It's easy to understand, practical, and acknowledges Dr. Cripps' (and many of her readers,' including my own) place in society. This is <em>our</em> responsibility - but also not just our responsibility. We need systemic change at the State, national, and international levels as well.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>This book helps you see what you can do by yourself, and also when you combine your efforts with others, which is a lot bigger than the sum of its parts. And that makes it an interesting, hopeful read. (I worked in sustainability consulting for a decade and I learned some things!)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Elizabeth Cripps' book:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Earth-Philosophers-Guide-Everyone/dp/0262047586" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting on Earth: A Philosopher's Guide to Doing Right by Your Kids - and Everyone Else's</a>&nbsp;(affiliate link)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>01:20 Introduction to today’s episode and featured guest</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;02:39  Dr. Elizabeth Cripps gives a brief overview of what climate change is and how it is already affecting and will continue to affect us in the future</p><p><br></p><p>04:40 The moral aspect of climate change&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>06:39 The challenge of differentiating individual and governmental responsibilities regarding climate change</p><p><br></p><p>12:20 The connection between shame and topics like White supremacy, patriarchy, capitalism, and climate change</p><p><br></p><p>17:51 How broader societal concerns, like climate change, influence your everyday decision-making</p><p><br></p><p>26:10 Exploration on whether the Western-developed framework for climate change can be adapted to different cultures with varied moral perspectives</p><p><br></p><p>28:20 The choice of having children and how climate concerns influenced that decision&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>35:20 The concept of fairness and how children often have a strong sense of morality and fairness</p><p><br></p><p>37:18 A playful approach to life and problem-solving can inspire creativity for solving complex issues</p><p><br></p><p>38:54 How parents can engage in climate activism and justice alongside their everyday responsibilities</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;43:28 How parents might justify not taking action or not fully acknowledging climate change as a significant problem</p><p><br></p><p>45:20 Addressing climate change as a shared responsibility</p><p><br></p><p>48:12 Nurturing environmentally responsible children&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>51:42 Wrapping up discussion</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>References</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Cripps, E. (2022). What climate justice means, and why we should care. London: Bloomsbury Continuum.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Cripps, E. (2017). Do parents have a special duty to mitigate climate change? Politics, Philosophy &amp; Economics 16(3), 308-325.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Cripps, E. (2017). Justice, integrity, and moral community: Do parents owe it to their children to bring them up as good global climate citizens? Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society 117(1), 41-59.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Seebach, N. (2018). Is classroom boredom hidden guilt? A comparison between teaching Aboriginal history in Australia and Post-Holocaust history in Germany. NEQ: Emerging Scholars in Australian Indigenous Studies</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Do you worry about the state of the Earth? Climate change perhaps above all else, but also resource extraction, air pollution, and the injustice that goes along with the ways the impacts of these things are distributed?</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>You're not the only one.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>I know not everyone goes this far, but one of the reasons I waited so long to have a baby, almost didn't have a baby, and will only have one child is to reduce my impact on climate change.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>We all know we're supposed to fly less, drive less, and eat less meat. But how can those actions ever be enough, when (I read somewhere a long time ago) that there aren't enough resources on the planet for everyone to consume the resources that an unhoused person in the United States uses?</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>In her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Earth-Philosophers-Guide-Everyone/dp/0262047586" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting on Earth: A Philosopher's Guide to Doing Right by Your Kids - and Everyone Else's</a> (affiliate link),&nbsp;Dr. Elizabeth Cripps walks us through the moral arguments involved in taking action on these issues - as well as the ones we use to justify <em>not</em> taking action.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>I really enjoyed this book. There are so many ways it could have gone wrong. Dr. Cripps is a White European philosopher writing about ways we can reduce our environmental impact.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The book could have been dense (ever get lost trying to follow a philosophical argument? 🙋‍♀️)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It could have been preachy.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It could have been completely tone-deaf, and say that we all bear the same responsibility to make changes.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It doesn't do any of those things.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>It's easy to understand, practical, and acknowledges Dr. Cripps' (and many of her readers,' including my own) place in society. This is <em>our</em> responsibility - but also not just our responsibility. We need systemic change at the State, national, and international levels as well.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>This book helps you see what you can do by yourself, and also when you combine your efforts with others, which is a lot bigger than the sum of its parts. And that makes it an interesting, hopeful read. (I worked in sustainability consulting for a decade and I learned some things!)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Elizabeth Cripps' book:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Earth-Philosophers-Guide-Everyone/dp/0262047586" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting on Earth: A Philosopher's Guide to Doing Right by Your Kids - and Everyone Else's</a>&nbsp;(affiliate link)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>01:20 Introduction to today’s episode and featured guest</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;02:39  Dr. Elizabeth Cripps gives a brief overview of what climate change is and how it is already affecting and will continue to affect us in the future</p><p><br></p><p>04:40 The moral aspect of climate change&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>06:39 The challenge of differentiating individual and governmental responsibilities regarding climate change</p><p><br></p><p>12:20 The connection between shame and topics like White supremacy, patriarchy, capitalism, and climate change</p><p><br></p><p>17:51 How broader societal concerns, like climate change, influence your everyday decision-making</p><p><br></p><p>26:10 Exploration on whether the Western-developed framework for climate change can be adapted to different cultures with varied moral perspectives</p><p><br></p><p>28:20 The choice of having children and how climate concerns influenced that decision&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>35:20 The concept of fairness and how children often have a strong sense of morality and fairness</p><p><br></p><p>37:18 A playful approach to life and problem-solving can inspire creativity for solving complex issues</p><p><br></p><p>38:54 How parents can engage in climate activism and justice alongside their everyday responsibilities</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;43:28 How parents might justify not taking action or not fully acknowledging climate change as a significant problem</p><p><br></p><p>45:20 Addressing climate change as a shared responsibility</p><p><br></p><p>48:12 Nurturing environmentally responsible children&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>51:42 Wrapping up discussion</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>References</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Cripps, E. (2022). What climate justice means, and why we should care. London: Bloomsbury Continuum.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Cripps, E. (2017). Do parents have a special duty to mitigate climate change? Politics, Philosophy &amp; Economics 16(3), 308-325.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Cripps, E. (2017). Justice, integrity, and moral community: Do parents owe it to their children to bring them up as good global climate citizens? Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society 117(1), 41-59.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Seebach, N. (2018). Is classroom boredom hidden guilt? A comparison between teaching Aboriginal history in Australia and Post-Holocaust history in Germany. NEQ: Emerging Scholars in Australian Indigenous Studies</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingonearth]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">aa9e0167-0a0b-44a5-b938-ad5000eb4a83</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/aa9e0167-0a0b-44a5-b938-ad5000eb4a83.mp3" length="55092780" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Do you worry about the state of the Earth? Climate change perhaps above all else, but also resource extraction, air pollution, and the injustice that goes along with the ways the impacts of these things are distributed?





You&apos;re not the only one.





I know not everyone goes this far, but one of the reasons I waited so long to have a baby, almost didn&apos;t have a baby, and will only have one child is to reduce my impact on climate change.





We all know we&apos;re supposed to fly less, drive less, and eat less meat. But how can those actions ever be enough, when (I read somewhere a long time ago) that there aren&apos;t enough resources on the planet for everyone to consume the resources that an unhoused person in the United States uses?




In her new book Parenting on Earth: A Philosopher&apos;s Guide to Doing Right by Your Kids - and Everyone Else&apos;s (affiliate link), [insert affiliate link] Dr. Elizabeth Cripps walks us through the moral arguments involved in taking action on these issues - as well as the ones we use to justify not taking action.





I really enjoyed this book. There are so many ways it could have gone wrong. Dr. Cripps is a White European philosopher writing about ways we can reduce our environmental impact.





The book could have been dense (ever get lost trying to follow a philosophical argument? 🙋‍♀️)




It could have been preachy.




It could have been completely tone-deaf, and say that we all bear the same responsibility to make changes.





It doesn&apos;t do any of those things.





It&apos;s easy to understand, practical, and acknowledges Dr. Cripps&apos; (and many of her readers,&apos; including my own) place in society. This is our responsibility - but also not just our responsibility. We need systemic change at the State, national, and international levels as well.





This book helps you see what you can do by yourself, and also when you combine your efforts with others, which is a lot bigger than the sum of its parts. And that makes it an interesting, hopeful read. (I worked in sustainability consulting for a decade and I learned some things!)</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/1aa3c703-0958-474f-8610-cc4f6f48328d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>195: Raising Good Humans Every Day with Hunter Clarke-Fields</title><itunes:title>195: Raising Good Humans Every Day with Hunter Clarke-Fields</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Hunter Clarke-Fields is back with us again! She's the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Parenting-Confident/dp/1684033888" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans</a>, and now the new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Every-Day/dp/1648481426" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans Every Day</a> (affiliate links).</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Why does the world need two books with such similar titles? Are they even different?!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Yes, they are! Raising Good Humans Every Day is small! And short! And the chapters are short! Each one contains just one practice, described in a few pages.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>If you've got five minutes you can read a chapter and then put the idea into practice immediately.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Use it, see some success, and get inspired for the next one.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Short, simple, and sweet. Can't beat that!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Hunter Clarke-Fields' books:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Parenting-Confident/dp/1684033888" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans</a></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Every-Day/dp/1648481426" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans Every Day</a>&nbsp; (affiliate links)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:43&nbsp; &nbsp;Introducing Hunter Clarke-Fields</p><p><br></p><p>01:46&nbsp; &nbsp;Hunter’s reasons for writing a second book with a title so much like their first one</p><p><br></p><p>03:29&nbsp; &nbsp;Why controlling our children and have them control themselves doesn't work effectively</p><p><br></p><p>06:54&nbsp; &nbsp;The need to shift from rewards and punishments to teaching and guiding children in understanding consequences and needs</p><p><br></p><p>09:18&nbsp; &nbsp;The benefits of connection-based parenting</p><p><br></p><p>12:58&nbsp; &nbsp;Reflecting on parenting experiences: gratitude and regrets</p><p><br></p><p>16:25&nbsp; &nbsp;Exploring Hunter’s upbringing as a highly sensitive child&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>21:47&nbsp; &nbsp;Navigating parenting a highly sensitive child with insights coming from Hunter’s own experiences</p><p><br></p><p>24:39&nbsp; &nbsp;The importance of being authentic with children and openly sharing challenges as a parent</p><p><br></p><p>26:29&nbsp; &nbsp;Parenting with heartfelt intention and presence</p><p><br></p><p>31:01&nbsp; &nbsp;Embracing the importance of being present with children and practicing mindfulness in a fast-paced society</p><p><br></p><p>38:14&nbsp; &nbsp;Asking for community support to be a better parent</p><p><br></p><p>42:24&nbsp; &nbsp;Embracing a beginner's mind to counter judgment and remain open to possibilities</p><p><br></p><p>45:14&nbsp; &nbsp;Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Hunter Clarke-Fields is back with us again! She's the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Parenting-Confident/dp/1684033888" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans</a>, and now the new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Every-Day/dp/1648481426" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans Every Day</a> (affiliate links).</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Why does the world need two books with such similar titles? Are they even different?!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Yes, they are! Raising Good Humans Every Day is small! And short! And the chapters are short! Each one contains just one practice, described in a few pages.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>If you've got five minutes you can read a chapter and then put the idea into practice immediately.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Use it, see some success, and get inspired for the next one.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Short, simple, and sweet. Can't beat that!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Hunter Clarke-Fields' books:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Parenting-Confident/dp/1684033888" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans</a></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Good-Humans-Every-Day/dp/1648481426" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Raising Good Humans Every Day</a>&nbsp; (affiliate links)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:43&nbsp; &nbsp;Introducing Hunter Clarke-Fields</p><p><br></p><p>01:46&nbsp; &nbsp;Hunter’s reasons for writing a second book with a title so much like their first one</p><p><br></p><p>03:29&nbsp; &nbsp;Why controlling our children and have them control themselves doesn't work effectively</p><p><br></p><p>06:54&nbsp; &nbsp;The need to shift from rewards and punishments to teaching and guiding children in understanding consequences and needs</p><p><br></p><p>09:18&nbsp; &nbsp;The benefits of connection-based parenting</p><p><br></p><p>12:58&nbsp; &nbsp;Reflecting on parenting experiences: gratitude and regrets</p><p><br></p><p>16:25&nbsp; &nbsp;Exploring Hunter’s upbringing as a highly sensitive child&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>21:47&nbsp; &nbsp;Navigating parenting a highly sensitive child with insights coming from Hunter’s own experiences</p><p><br></p><p>24:39&nbsp; &nbsp;The importance of being authentic with children and openly sharing challenges as a parent</p><p><br></p><p>26:29&nbsp; &nbsp;Parenting with heartfelt intention and presence</p><p><br></p><p>31:01&nbsp; &nbsp;Embracing the importance of being present with children and practicing mindfulness in a fast-paced society</p><p><br></p><p>38:14&nbsp; &nbsp;Asking for community support to be a better parent</p><p><br></p><p>42:24&nbsp; &nbsp;Embracing a beginner's mind to counter judgment and remain open to possibilities</p><p><br></p><p>45:14&nbsp; &nbsp;Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/hunter]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">dc5f0320-0cd1-4025-8ac2-699cf125c7ea</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/dc5f0320-0cd1-4025-8ac2-699cf125c7ea.mp3" length="46605283" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Hunter Clarke-Fields is back with us again!  She&apos;s the author of Raising Good Humans, and now the new book Raising Good Humans Every Day.  

Why does the world need two books with such similar titles?  Are they even different?!

Yes, they are!  Raising Good Humans Every Day is small!  And short!  And the chapters are short!  Each one contains just one practice, described in a few pages.  

If you&apos;ve got five minutes you can read a chapter and then put the idea into practice immediately.  

Use it, see some success, and get inspired for the next one.

Short, simple, and sweet.  Can&apos;t beat that!</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/936ddfb0-12f3-47fc-85b7-3e8e393e6b39/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>194: Regulating for the kids…and for your marriage</title><itunes:title>194: Regulating for the kids...and for your marriage</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you ever feel triggered by your partner's behavior?

&nbsp;

(No? Just me? 😬)

&nbsp;

Many parents who join the Taming Your Triggers workshop sign up for help navigating their children's behavior...and then once they're inside they confess that their partner's behavior is <em>even more triggering than their child's.</em>

&nbsp;

As you might imagine, many of the participants in the Taming Your Triggers workshop are women. (Classic patriarchy at work: caregiving is women's work, and so is managing the emotional climate of the family, so why does a male partner in a cisgender, heterosexual relationship need to bother?)

&nbsp;

So I've been especially glad to see that more and more men are taking the workshop - and last time around we also had several couples participating together.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth and Marshall are physical therapists who travel and work to pay off their student loan debt. They had a three-year-old, and then became unexpectedly pregnant - with twins!

&nbsp;

Both Elizabeth and Marshall had fairly typical middle class childhoods...they had <em>enough</em> with out being rich, but underneath the veneer that 'everything's fine' lurked disconnection from parents, unexpressed anger, and mental illness - as well as the societal messages of getting out of debt and preparing for retirement.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth had no idea she had anger issues until she became a parent. Suddenly she felt both anger and shame about her anger, not understanding that the anger was wrapped up in her childhood.

&nbsp;

Since Elizabeth and Marshall have organized their entire lives around paying off their student loan debt, it was hard to commit to spending money on not just one but two enrollments in Taming Your Triggers. Up to that point, Elizabeth often felt she was the one doing the work and dragging Marshall along...but he saw how important this was to her, and went all-in alongside her.

&nbsp;

They've noticed profound shifts in their capacity to be with their children - as well as with each other.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth knows not just in her head but<em> in her body</em> that it's OK to be in uncomfortable situations and not fix everything immediately.

&nbsp;

She talked with her mom about a shame-filled situation from her childhood that Elizabeth thought she would "take to her grave" - and now the issue doesn't impact her anymore.

&nbsp;

Marshall is able to let go of problems that used to really bother him, and engages the children in using the concepts from the workshop.

&nbsp;

They can work through the challenges they're facing, both as a couple and as parents. Their now have the space for conversations about their parenting values, instead of just<em> reacting</em> to the latest emergency.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth wrote to me that it's taken a long time for her to realize that investing in parenting education is just as important as paying for good food. She's shifted her mindset by realizing that:

&nbsp;

If you're a man reading this, we'd love to see you in the workshop. You won't be alone, and we may be able to create a men-only discussion space for you. (I know it can be hard to talk about things like anger issues with women around.)

&nbsp;

If you're a woman in a cis-het partnership, you can absolutely participate alone - and you'll learn a LOT. Most people do it this way.

&nbsp;

But you'll get even more out of it when you and your partner are on the same page. Marshall says:

&nbsp;

Hear Elizabeth and Marshall describe the work they've been doing - and how it has helped - in this new episode.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:20   Introducing today’s topic

01:47   Elizabeth and Marshall introduce themselves and their family

04:00   They talk about experiencing burnout from continuously helping others in their profession.

06:06   The couple discussed how their upbringing influenced their parenting style.

11:27   They shared about their experience with going through the Taming Your Triggers program together and how they decided to do it.

16:52   Marshall explains why parenting is hard for them

23:24   The couple talks about how parenting has improved over the past few months.

28:20   Elizabeth talks about how her perspective on her relationship with her mother changed.

41:47   The couple share their experience with AccountaBuddies

48:03   Jen encourages couples to take the program together, believing it creates a shared experience and language for improving their relationship dynamics.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you ever feel triggered by your partner's behavior?

&nbsp;

(No? Just me? 😬)

&nbsp;

Many parents who join the Taming Your Triggers workshop sign up for help navigating their children's behavior...and then once they're inside they confess that their partner's behavior is <em>even more triggering than their child's.</em>

&nbsp;

As you might imagine, many of the participants in the Taming Your Triggers workshop are women. (Classic patriarchy at work: caregiving is women's work, and so is managing the emotional climate of the family, so why does a male partner in a cisgender, heterosexual relationship need to bother?)

&nbsp;

So I've been especially glad to see that more and more men are taking the workshop - and last time around we also had several couples participating together.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth and Marshall are physical therapists who travel and work to pay off their student loan debt. They had a three-year-old, and then became unexpectedly pregnant - with twins!

&nbsp;

Both Elizabeth and Marshall had fairly typical middle class childhoods...they had <em>enough</em> with out being rich, but underneath the veneer that 'everything's fine' lurked disconnection from parents, unexpressed anger, and mental illness - as well as the societal messages of getting out of debt and preparing for retirement.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth had no idea she had anger issues until she became a parent. Suddenly she felt both anger and shame about her anger, not understanding that the anger was wrapped up in her childhood.

&nbsp;

Since Elizabeth and Marshall have organized their entire lives around paying off their student loan debt, it was hard to commit to spending money on not just one but two enrollments in Taming Your Triggers. Up to that point, Elizabeth often felt she was the one doing the work and dragging Marshall along...but he saw how important this was to her, and went all-in alongside her.

&nbsp;

They've noticed profound shifts in their capacity to be with their children - as well as with each other.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth knows not just in her head but<em> in her body</em> that it's OK to be in uncomfortable situations and not fix everything immediately.

&nbsp;

She talked with her mom about a shame-filled situation from her childhood that Elizabeth thought she would "take to her grave" - and now the issue doesn't impact her anymore.

&nbsp;

Marshall is able to let go of problems that used to really bother him, and engages the children in using the concepts from the workshop.

&nbsp;

They can work through the challenges they're facing, both as a couple and as parents. Their now have the space for conversations about their parenting values, instead of just<em> reacting</em> to the latest emergency.

&nbsp;

Elizabeth wrote to me that it's taken a long time for her to realize that investing in parenting education is just as important as paying for good food. She's shifted her mindset by realizing that:

&nbsp;

If you're a man reading this, we'd love to see you in the workshop. You won't be alone, and we may be able to create a men-only discussion space for you. (I know it can be hard to talk about things like anger issues with women around.)

&nbsp;

If you're a woman in a cis-het partnership, you can absolutely participate alone - and you'll learn a LOT. Most people do it this way.

&nbsp;

But you'll get even more out of it when you and your partner are on the same page. Marshall says:

&nbsp;

Hear Elizabeth and Marshall describe the work they've been doing - and how it has helped - in this new episode.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:20   Introducing today’s topic

01:47   Elizabeth and Marshall introduce themselves and their family

04:00   They talk about experiencing burnout from continuously helping others in their profession.

06:06   The couple discussed how their upbringing influenced their parenting style.

11:27   They shared about their experience with going through the Taming Your Triggers program together and how they decided to do it.

16:52   Marshall explains why parenting is hard for them

23:24   The couple talks about how parenting has improved over the past few months.

28:20   Elizabeth talks about how her perspective on her relationship with her mother changed.

41:47   The couple share their experience with AccountaBuddies

48:03   Jen encourages couples to take the program together, believing it creates a shared experience and language for improving their relationship dynamics.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/foryourmarriage]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">75c22500-3b6d-4400-9641-fac9f2ae65a9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/75c22500-3b6d-4400-9641-fac9f2ae65a9.mp3" length="56300265" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/c7ee834f-027d-4cc0-b801-f3d8fe9bc391/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>193: You don’t have to believe everything you think</title><itunes:title>You don&apos;t have to believe everything you think</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this short episode, I'm going to teach you a real, legit, bona fide magic trick.

&nbsp;

And unlike most magic tricks which rely on sleight of hand to convince you of something that has happened when it really hasn't, this one actually works. It helps you to see that things are <em>not</em> as bad as they seem, and that you <em>can </em>cope, even when things feel incredibly difficult and that you're failing as a parent.

&nbsp;

I asked four listeners to help me explain the concept to you, and how it has helped them, and one even went above and beyond and did a live demo for us!

&nbsp;

Then I walk you through it step by step, so you can use it when you need it later.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:43 Introducing today’s topic

02:04 Words can influence our perceptions.

04:02 Anne shares three instances where questioning negative thoughts helped in avoiding unnecessary worry and misunderstandings.

09:46 Elizabeth, a Parenting Membership member for two years, highlights how Jen's advice, using the phrase <em>"I am having the thought that...,"</em> helped her cope with a challenging parenting situation.

11:54 Melissa used self-compassion and questioning negative thoughts to find self-compassion and regain confidence.

13:11 Melissa highlights the core aspect of the "magic trick" by framing these thoughts as "I'm thinking" rather than absolute truths.

14:46 Jen calls listeners to try a mindful exercise where <em>"I'm thinking that..."</em> is added before self-judgments or judgments about others.

20:20 Adding <em>"I'm thinking that..."</em> before judgments can foster understanding, compassion, and better relationships, as demonstrated by Jen’s dishwasher experience.

25:07 Nicole shares how her meditation practice led her to explore the concept of not believing everything she thinks

27:47 Recognizing our perspective isn't the only truth can help us shift from self-centered thinking when hurt by someone.

28:36 The concept of not believing everything we think promotes a balanced perspective on our life stories.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thebodykeepsthescore/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">141: The Body Keeps The Score with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healingincommunity/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 014: The power of healing in community</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Reference</strong>

Loftus, E., &amp; Palmer, J.C. (1974). Reconstruction of automobile destruction: An example of the interaction between language and memory. Journal of Verbal Learning and Verbal Behavior 13(5), 585-589.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this short episode, I'm going to teach you a real, legit, bona fide magic trick.

&nbsp;

And unlike most magic tricks which rely on sleight of hand to convince you of something that has happened when it really hasn't, this one actually works. It helps you to see that things are <em>not</em> as bad as they seem, and that you <em>can </em>cope, even when things feel incredibly difficult and that you're failing as a parent.

&nbsp;

I asked four listeners to help me explain the concept to you, and how it has helped them, and one even went above and beyond and did a live demo for us!

&nbsp;

Then I walk you through it step by step, so you can use it when you need it later.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:43 Introducing today’s topic

02:04 Words can influence our perceptions.

04:02 Anne shares three instances where questioning negative thoughts helped in avoiding unnecessary worry and misunderstandings.

09:46 Elizabeth, a Parenting Membership member for two years, highlights how Jen's advice, using the phrase <em>"I am having the thought that...,"</em> helped her cope with a challenging parenting situation.

11:54 Melissa used self-compassion and questioning negative thoughts to find self-compassion and regain confidence.

13:11 Melissa highlights the core aspect of the "magic trick" by framing these thoughts as "I'm thinking" rather than absolute truths.

14:46 Jen calls listeners to try a mindful exercise where <em>"I'm thinking that..."</em> is added before self-judgments or judgments about others.

20:20 Adding <em>"I'm thinking that..."</em> before judgments can foster understanding, compassion, and better relationships, as demonstrated by Jen’s dishwasher experience.

25:07 Nicole shares how her meditation practice led her to explore the concept of not believing everything she thinks

27:47 Recognizing our perspective isn't the only truth can help us shift from self-centered thinking when hurt by someone.

28:36 The concept of not believing everything we think promotes a balanced perspective on our life stories.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thebodykeepsthescore/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">141: The Body Keeps The Score with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/healingincommunity/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 014: The power of healing in community</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Reference</strong>

Loftus, E., &amp; Palmer, J.C. (1974). Reconstruction of automobile destruction: An example of the interaction between language and memory. Journal of Verbal Learning and Verbal Behavior 13(5), 585-589.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/thoughts]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c1cc737d-8d77-49be-960c-d70db6b7948c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/c1cc737d-8d77-49be-960c-d70db6b7948c.mp3" length="37516761" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:05</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/562137ad-3fdf-4603-898a-1fccb31eec93/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>192: What to do with the myth of Polyvagal Theory</title><itunes:title>192: What to do with the myth of Polyvagal Theory</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Polyvagal Theory is everywhere these days.

&nbsp;

Psychologists talk about it; parenting coaches talk about it; if you’re in

&nbsp;

the mental health field you’re probably referring to polyvagal theory in some way. So one would assume that there’s lots of evidence for it, right?  Well, maybe. Maybe not.

&nbsp;

In this episode I dig into the foundational principles of Polyvagal Theory and find that there's a lot less evidence supporting it than you might think, given how many places it's used.

&nbsp;

So what's going on? Is it legit? Should we be using a different theory to understand our experience instead?

&nbsp;

But all may not be lost! Maybe there are aspects of the theory that we can still use...the episode suggests a path forward on this.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introduction to this episode

04:05 Three defining principles of the Polyvagal Theory

09:01 The challenges in reconciling PVT’s popularity with the lack of scientific evidence supporting its core premises

21:09 Dr. Stephen Porges' 1995 paper on Polyvagal Theory (PVT) is examined, including references to Charles Darwin's support, removal of a premise, and disagreements with Dr. Paul Grossman

24:35 Dr. Stephen Porges' 2007 paper on Polyvagal Theory introduces four principles about heart regulation and the vagus nerve's role in social engagement behaviors

32:12 Dr. Doody challenges the assumptions behind Polyvagal Theory

36:34 Experts challenge Polyvagal Theory (PVT) by refuting its foundational premises, raising the need for alternative models and further evidence examination

42:05 Bloggers and experts offer mixed views on Polyvagal Theory (PVT): some argue it can adapt without changing its core, while others label it a myth

45:31 Jen evaluates the usefulness of Polyvagal Theory (PVT) considering evidence both for and against it

48:01 The existence of alternative theories to Polyvagal Theory (PVT) is a key consideration in evaluating its validity

48:35 Polyvagal Theory (PVT) is still debated, with limited evidence both for and against it, and alternative theories lacking strong support.

55:24 The cultural context and alignment between a therapist's explanation and a client's understanding are essential for therapeutic success

01:06:23 Indigenous perspectives emphasize the importance of understanding dynamic systems in place and time, which aligns with Dr. Porges' attempt to examine a broader system in polyvagal theory

01:11:55 The Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP), based on polyvagal theory (PVT), lacks substantial scientific evidence supporting its effectiveness

01:15:08 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spiritual/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">018: The Spiritual Child: Possibly exaggerated, conclusions uncertain</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxiety/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">104: How to help a child to overcome anxiety</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/implicitbias/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">131: Implicit Bias (Part 1)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/implicitbiasrevisited/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">132: How implicit bias affect my child (Part 2)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thebodykeepsthescore/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">141: The Body Keeps The Score with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Agger, I. (2015). Calming the mind: Healing after mass atrocity in Cambodia. Transcultural Psychiatry 52(4), 543-560.

<hr />

American Museum of Natural History (n.d.). What is a theory? Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/what-is-a-theory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/what-is-a-theory</a>

<hr />

Barret, L.D. (2017). How emotions are made: The secret life of the brain. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

<hr />

Barrett, L.D. (2023, March 25). Peripheral physiological changes during emotion. Chapter 1 endnote 26 from How emotions are made: The secret life of the brain. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://how-emotions-are-made.com/notes/Peripheral_physiological_changes_during_emotion#cite_note-8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://how-emotions-are-made.com/notes/Peripheral_physiological_changes_during_emotion#cite_note-8</a>

<hr />

Benish, S. G., Quintana, S., &amp; Wampold, B. E. (2011). Culturally adapted psychotherapy and the legitimacy of myth: a direct-comparison meta-analysis. Journal of counseling psychology, 58(3), 279.

<hr />

Bird, A. (2021). Understanding the replication crisis as a base rate fallacy. The British Journal for the Philosophy of Science. Retrieved from: <a href="https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/56560473/Replication-base-rate-fallacy_FINAL-libre.pdf?1526290158=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DUnderstanding_the_Replication_Crisis_as.pdf&amp;Expires=1689372953&amp;Signature=HnUWKVi40YZrjWv4RyYGjB8GSt2wRxNSyYdmUe3wNG~NwYkkbMv0rG0Y~PWotaD7xlq6b9DcfQXnwx1ddLVT7nkmX4teXXs9B7iI16d7JnEKVUAzcVXBOuVajgdMQXR~3y1fq1xNfMUXBE-zsqHNV3bSQdReBEMvuIr-l9pNFs~PiSnAaeUe91b-eYy5QCEzvKrTsGN~R-Y~qfEXb3NecIO6kokPLph9H4w0K7cpvu7x72RoBqBT3yIsQmQ5MAoGDrBFW0FnKZuJVUF1LlHBeSGC1ToTJ03feIhLc9OkJJB8i-s3crTxvN5BFdq9oKh-qRUSMAHRE6zmCG-XQ9jR8w__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/56560473/Replication-base-rate-fallacy_FINAL-libre.pdf?1526290158=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DUnderstanding_the_Replication_Crisis_as.pdf&amp;Expires=1689372953&amp;Signature=HnUWKVi40YZrjWv4RyYGjB8GSt2wRxNSyYdmUe3wNG~NwYkkbMv0rG0Y~PWotaD7xlq6b9DcfQXnwx1ddLVT7nkmX4teXXs9B7iI16d7JnEKVUAzcVXBOuVajgdMQXR~3y1fq1xNfMUXBE-zsqHNV3bSQdReBEMvuIr-l9pNFs~PiSnAaeUe91b-eYy5QCEzvKrTsGN~R-Y~qfEXb3NecIO6kokPLph9H4w0K7cpvu7x72RoBqBT3yIsQmQ5MAoGDrBFW0FnKZuJVUF1LlHBeSGC1ToTJ03feIhLc9OkJJB8i-s3crTxvN5BFdq9oKh-qRUSMAHRE6zmCG-XQ9jR8w__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA</a>

<hr />

Brennan, M.A., Emmerling, M.E., &amp; Whelton, W.J. (2014). Emotion-focused group therapy: Addressing self-criticism in the treatment of eating disorders. Counseling &amp; Psychotherapy Research 15(1), 67-75.

<hr />

Das, A. (2021). Testing the Longitudinal, Bidirectional Relation Between Respiratory Sinus Arrythmia and Perceived Emotion Regulation (Doctoral dissertation, Miami University). Retrieved from: <a href="https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=miami161688520539524&amp;disposition=inline" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=miami161688520539524&amp;disposition=inline</a>

<hr />

deVries, Y.A., Roest, A.M., Turner, E.H., &amp; de Jonge, P. (2019). Hiding negative trials by pooling them: A secondary analysis of pooled-trials publication bias in FDA-registered antidepressant trials. Psychological Medicine 49, 2020-2026.

<hr />

Doody, J.S., Burghardt, G., &amp; Dinets, V. (2023). The evolution of sociality and the polyvagal theory. Biological Psychology 180, 108569.

<hr />

Frank, J. D., &amp; Frank, J. B. (1993). Persuasion and healing. Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press.

<hr />

Grossman, P., &amp; Taylor, E.W. (2007). Toward understanding respiratory sinus arrhythmia: Relations to cardiac vagal tone, evolution and biobehavioral functions. Biological Psychology 74, 263-285.

<hr />

Ekman, P., Sorenson, E.R., &amp; Friesen, W.V. (1969). Pan-cultural elements in facial displays of emotion. Sicnce, New Series, 164(3875), 86-88.

<hr />

Ekman, P., &amp; Friesen, E.V. (1971). Constants across cultures in the face and emotion. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 17(2), 124-129.

<hr />

Graziano, P., &amp; Derefinko, K. (2013). Cardiac vagal control and children’s adaptive functioning: A meta-analysis. Biological Psychology 94(1), 22-37.

<hr />

Hanazawa, H. (2022). Polyvagal Theory and its clinical potential: An overview. Brain Nerve 74(8), 1011-1016.

<hr />

Harmer, C.J., Duman, R.S., &amp; Cowen, P.J. (2017). How do antidepressants work? New perspectives for refining treatment approaches. Lancet Psychiatry 4(5), 409-418.

<hr />

Kawai, H., Kishimoto, M., Okahisa, Y., Sakamoto, S., Terada, S., &amp; Takaki, M. (2023). Initial outcomes of the Safe and Sound Protocol on Patients with Autism Spectrum Disorder: Exploratory Plot Study. International Journal of Environmental Research and Publich Health 20(6), 4862.

<hr />

Laborde, S., Moseley, E., &amp; Mertgen,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Polyvagal Theory is everywhere these days.

&nbsp;

Psychologists talk about it; parenting coaches talk about it; if you’re in

&nbsp;

the mental health field you’re probably referring to polyvagal theory in some way. So one would assume that there’s lots of evidence for it, right?  Well, maybe. Maybe not.

&nbsp;

In this episode I dig into the foundational principles of Polyvagal Theory and find that there's a lot less evidence supporting it than you might think, given how many places it's used.

&nbsp;

So what's going on? Is it legit? Should we be using a different theory to understand our experience instead?

&nbsp;

But all may not be lost! Maybe there are aspects of the theory that we can still use...the episode suggests a path forward on this.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introduction to this episode

04:05 Three defining principles of the Polyvagal Theory

09:01 The challenges in reconciling PVT’s popularity with the lack of scientific evidence supporting its core premises

21:09 Dr. Stephen Porges' 1995 paper on Polyvagal Theory (PVT) is examined, including references to Charles Darwin's support, removal of a premise, and disagreements with Dr. Paul Grossman

24:35 Dr. Stephen Porges' 2007 paper on Polyvagal Theory introduces four principles about heart regulation and the vagus nerve's role in social engagement behaviors

32:12 Dr. Doody challenges the assumptions behind Polyvagal Theory

36:34 Experts challenge Polyvagal Theory (PVT) by refuting its foundational premises, raising the need for alternative models and further evidence examination

42:05 Bloggers and experts offer mixed views on Polyvagal Theory (PVT): some argue it can adapt without changing its core, while others label it a myth

45:31 Jen evaluates the usefulness of Polyvagal Theory (PVT) considering evidence both for and against it

48:01 The existence of alternative theories to Polyvagal Theory (PVT) is a key consideration in evaluating its validity

48:35 Polyvagal Theory (PVT) is still debated, with limited evidence both for and against it, and alternative theories lacking strong support.

55:24 The cultural context and alignment between a therapist's explanation and a client's understanding are essential for therapeutic success

01:06:23 Indigenous perspectives emphasize the importance of understanding dynamic systems in place and time, which aligns with Dr. Porges' attempt to examine a broader system in polyvagal theory

01:11:55 The Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP), based on polyvagal theory (PVT), lacks substantial scientific evidence supporting its effectiveness

01:15:08 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spiritual/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">018: The Spiritual Child: Possibly exaggerated, conclusions uncertain</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxiety/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">104: How to help a child to overcome anxiety</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/implicitbias/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">131: Implicit Bias (Part 1)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/implicitbiasrevisited/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">132: How implicit bias affect my child (Part 2)</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/thebodykeepsthescore/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">141: The Body Keeps The Score with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Agger, I. (2015). Calming the mind: Healing after mass atrocity in Cambodia. Transcultural Psychiatry 52(4), 543-560.

<hr />

American Museum of Natural History (n.d.). What is a theory? Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/what-is-a-theory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/what-is-a-theory</a>

<hr />

Barret, L.D. (2017). How emotions are made: The secret life of the brain. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

<hr />

Barrett, L.D. (2023, March 25). Peripheral physiological changes during emotion. Chapter 1 endnote 26 from How emotions are made: The secret life of the brain. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://how-emotions-are-made.com/notes/Peripheral_physiological_changes_during_emotion#cite_note-8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://how-emotions-are-made.com/notes/Peripheral_physiological_changes_during_emotion#cite_note-8</a>

<hr />

Benish, S. G., Quintana, S., &amp; Wampold, B. E. (2011). Culturally adapted psychotherapy and the legitimacy of myth: a direct-comparison meta-analysis. Journal of counseling psychology, 58(3), 279.

<hr />

Bird, A. (2021). Understanding the replication crisis as a base rate fallacy. The British Journal for the Philosophy of Science. Retrieved from: <a href="https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/56560473/Replication-base-rate-fallacy_FINAL-libre.pdf?1526290158=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DUnderstanding_the_Replication_Crisis_as.pdf&amp;Expires=1689372953&amp;Signature=HnUWKVi40YZrjWv4RyYGjB8GSt2wRxNSyYdmUe3wNG~NwYkkbMv0rG0Y~PWotaD7xlq6b9DcfQXnwx1ddLVT7nkmX4teXXs9B7iI16d7JnEKVUAzcVXBOuVajgdMQXR~3y1fq1xNfMUXBE-zsqHNV3bSQdReBEMvuIr-l9pNFs~PiSnAaeUe91b-eYy5QCEzvKrTsGN~R-Y~qfEXb3NecIO6kokPLph9H4w0K7cpvu7x72RoBqBT3yIsQmQ5MAoGDrBFW0FnKZuJVUF1LlHBeSGC1ToTJ03feIhLc9OkJJB8i-s3crTxvN5BFdq9oKh-qRUSMAHRE6zmCG-XQ9jR8w__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/56560473/Replication-base-rate-fallacy_FINAL-libre.pdf?1526290158=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DUnderstanding_the_Replication_Crisis_as.pdf&amp;Expires=1689372953&amp;Signature=HnUWKVi40YZrjWv4RyYGjB8GSt2wRxNSyYdmUe3wNG~NwYkkbMv0rG0Y~PWotaD7xlq6b9DcfQXnwx1ddLVT7nkmX4teXXs9B7iI16d7JnEKVUAzcVXBOuVajgdMQXR~3y1fq1xNfMUXBE-zsqHNV3bSQdReBEMvuIr-l9pNFs~PiSnAaeUe91b-eYy5QCEzvKrTsGN~R-Y~qfEXb3NecIO6kokPLph9H4w0K7cpvu7x72RoBqBT3yIsQmQ5MAoGDrBFW0FnKZuJVUF1LlHBeSGC1ToTJ03feIhLc9OkJJB8i-s3crTxvN5BFdq9oKh-qRUSMAHRE6zmCG-XQ9jR8w__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA</a>

<hr />

Brennan, M.A., Emmerling, M.E., &amp; Whelton, W.J. (2014). Emotion-focused group therapy: Addressing self-criticism in the treatment of eating disorders. Counseling &amp; Psychotherapy Research 15(1), 67-75.

<hr />

Das, A. (2021). Testing the Longitudinal, Bidirectional Relation Between Respiratory Sinus Arrythmia and Perceived Emotion Regulation (Doctoral dissertation, Miami University). Retrieved from: <a href="https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=miami161688520539524&amp;disposition=inline" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=miami161688520539524&amp;disposition=inline</a>

<hr />

deVries, Y.A., Roest, A.M., Turner, E.H., &amp; de Jonge, P. (2019). Hiding negative trials by pooling them: A secondary analysis of pooled-trials publication bias in FDA-registered antidepressant trials. Psychological Medicine 49, 2020-2026.

<hr />

Doody, J.S., Burghardt, G., &amp; Dinets, V. (2023). The evolution of sociality and the polyvagal theory. Biological Psychology 180, 108569.

<hr />

Frank, J. D., &amp; Frank, J. B. (1993). Persuasion and healing. Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press.

<hr />

Grossman, P., &amp; Taylor, E.W. (2007). Toward understanding respiratory sinus arrhythmia: Relations to cardiac vagal tone, evolution and biobehavioral functions. Biological Psychology 74, 263-285.

<hr />

Ekman, P., Sorenson, E.R., &amp; Friesen, W.V. (1969). Pan-cultural elements in facial displays of emotion. Sicnce, New Series, 164(3875), 86-88.

<hr />

Ekman, P., &amp; Friesen, E.V. (1971). Constants across cultures in the face and emotion. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 17(2), 124-129.

<hr />

Graziano, P., &amp; Derefinko, K. (2013). Cardiac vagal control and children’s adaptive functioning: A meta-analysis. Biological Psychology 94(1), 22-37.

<hr />

Hanazawa, H. (2022). Polyvagal Theory and its clinical potential: An overview. Brain Nerve 74(8), 1011-1016.

<hr />

Harmer, C.J., Duman, R.S., &amp; Cowen, P.J. (2017). How do antidepressants work? New perspectives for refining treatment approaches. Lancet Psychiatry 4(5), 409-418.

<hr />

Kawai, H., Kishimoto, M., Okahisa, Y., Sakamoto, S., Terada, S., &amp; Takaki, M. (2023). Initial outcomes of the Safe and Sound Protocol on Patients with Autism Spectrum Disorder: Exploratory Plot Study. International Journal of Environmental Research and Publich Health 20(6), 4862.

<hr />

Laborde, S., Moseley, E., &amp; Mertgen, A. (2018). A unifying conceptual framework of factors associated to cardiac vagal tone. Heliyon 4(12), e01002.

<hr />

Lehrer, P. (2013). How does heart rate variability biofeedback work? Resonance, the baroreflex, and other mechanisms. Biofeedback 41(1), 26-31.

<hr />

Luck, A. (2022, October 29). Polyvgal Theory: A critical appraisal. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://alyssaluck.com/polyvagal-theory-a-critical-appraisal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://alyssaluck.com/polyvagal-theory-a-critical-appraisal/</a>

<hr />

McCraty, R. (2011). Coherence: Bridging personal, social and global health. Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine 53(3), 85-102.

<hr />

Poli, A., Gemignani, A., Soldani, F., &amp; Miccoli, M. (2021). A systematic review of a polyvagal perspective on embodied contemplative practices as promoters of cardiorespiratory coupling and traumatic stress recovery for PTSD and OCD: Research methodologies and state of the art. International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 18(22), 11778.

<hr />

Polyvagal Institute (2023, February). Polyvagal Theory: Summary, Premises, and Current Status. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/_files/ugd/8e115b_f8f82f01065b41dc85e7698fd4f99818.pdf?index=true" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/_files/ugd/8e115b_f8f82f01065b41dc85e7698fd4f99818.pdf?index=true</a>

<hr />

Porges, S. (2021). Polyvagal Theory: A biobehavioral journey to sociality. Comprehensive Psychoneuroendocrinology 7, 100069.

<hr />

Porges, S.W. (2007). The polyvagal perspective. Biological Psychology 74(2), 116-143.

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Unyte (2023, June 22). Disrupting overactive survival reactions with the Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP). Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://integratedlistening.com/case-study/disrupting-overactive-survival-reactions-with-the-safe-and-sound-protocol-ssp/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://integratedlistening.com/case-study/disrupting-overactive-survival-reactions-with-the-safe-and-sound-protocol-ssp/</a>

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Yasmin (2023). What is the hierarchy ladder in Polyvagal Theory? Polyvagal Teen. Retrieved from: <a href="https://polyvagalteen.com/polyvagal-theory-101/what-is-the-hierarchy-ladder-in-polyvagal-theory/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://polyvagalteen.com/polyvagal-theory-101/what-is-the-hierarchy-ladder-in-polyvagal-theory/</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/polyvagaltheory]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ca8b6685-640f-43fd-89c4-226b6174375f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ca8b6685-640f-43fd-89c4-226b6174375f.mp3" length="74604788" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:17:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>192</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>192</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/47bcd49f-4021-41a6-a01b-0ce4b99847d7/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>191: Parenting Beyond Power launch celebration</title><itunes:title>191: Parenting Beyond Power launch celebration</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting Beyond Power</a> is officially available today! Come join a mini-celebration with me in this podcast episode, and TODAY on Zoom at 11am Pacific/2pm Eastern/8pm Central Europe, and in-person this weekend if you're in the Bay Area!</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Do you celebrate your achievements? I don't know about you, but I find it pretty difficult.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I didn't celebrate getting into Berkeley or Yale, or graduating from either of those places either (in fact, I think I was in the car driving away from each of those places when the graduation ceremonies happened).</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I didn't celebrate getting U.S. citizenship, or have a baby shower, and Alvin and Carys buy or make me a birthday cake every year because they want to, but I don't really celebrate that either.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I didn't celebrate signing a book deal two years ago, and when we rolled over 3 million downloads recently I asked someone on my team to make a quick social post...and that was it.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>So celebrating the book's launch feels...weird to me. But apparently people who write books do it, so I'm giving it a try - Jen style.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I invited a listener, María José (MJ) Durán, to ask me whatever questions she had about the book and the writing process for a mini-celebration.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>(I did slip in a couple of questions for her as well, and I have to say that her response to me asking what she got out of the book was really meaningful for me - she now understands her own Mom in a way she hadn't been able to until now, which has brought María José (MJ) Durán some measure of relief.)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Come join one of our mini-celebrations! Listen to the podcast episode today!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:43&nbsp; &nbsp;Introduction to today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>04:13&nbsp; &nbsp;What sets Parenting Beyond Power apart for long-time podcast listeners and Parenting Membership members</p><p><br></p><p>05:01&nbsp; &nbsp;What Jen wants to accomplish in writing Parenting Beyond Power</p><p><br></p><p>08:56&nbsp;&nbsp;How the needs cupcake came about</p><p><br></p><p>11:38&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;How Jen came up with the book’s title</p><p><br></p><p>14:26&nbsp; María José (MJ) Durán&nbsp;shares a positive change in setting boundaries with her daughter and questions why the same advice, given a year apart, yielded such different results</p><p><br></p><p>21:58&nbsp; &nbsp;How the book addresses common parenting challenges</p><p><br></p><p>35:18&nbsp; &nbsp;Jen’s perspective on neurodiversity in the context of the book's approach</p><p><br></p><p>41:01&nbsp; &nbsp;The importance of addressing privilege and White supremacy in parenting</p><p><br></p><p>46:10&nbsp; &nbsp;The feasibility of meeting everyone's needs in society</p><p><br></p><p>52:30&nbsp; &nbsp;Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting Beyond Power</a> is officially available today! Come join a mini-celebration with me in this podcast episode, and TODAY on Zoom at 11am Pacific/2pm Eastern/8pm Central Europe, and in-person this weekend if you're in the Bay Area!</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Do you celebrate your achievements? I don't know about you, but I find it pretty difficult.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I didn't celebrate getting into Berkeley or Yale, or graduating from either of those places either (in fact, I think I was in the car driving away from each of those places when the graduation ceremonies happened).</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I didn't celebrate getting U.S. citizenship, or have a baby shower, and Alvin and Carys buy or make me a birthday cake every year because they want to, but I don't really celebrate that either.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I didn't celebrate signing a book deal two years ago, and when we rolled over 3 million downloads recently I asked someone on my team to make a quick social post...and that was it.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>So celebrating the book's launch feels...weird to me. But apparently people who write books do it, so I'm giving it a try - Jen style.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I invited a listener, María José (MJ) Durán, to ask me whatever questions she had about the book and the writing process for a mini-celebration.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>(I did slip in a couple of questions for her as well, and I have to say that her response to me asking what she got out of the book was really meaningful for me - she now understands her own Mom in a way she hadn't been able to until now, which has brought María José (MJ) Durán some measure of relief.)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Come join one of our mini-celebrations! Listen to the podcast episode today!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:43&nbsp; &nbsp;Introduction to today’s episode</p><p><br></p><p>04:13&nbsp; &nbsp;What sets Parenting Beyond Power apart for long-time podcast listeners and Parenting Membership members</p><p><br></p><p>05:01&nbsp; &nbsp;What Jen wants to accomplish in writing Parenting Beyond Power</p><p><br></p><p>08:56&nbsp;&nbsp;How the needs cupcake came about</p><p><br></p><p>11:38&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;How Jen came up with the book’s title</p><p><br></p><p>14:26&nbsp; María José (MJ) Durán&nbsp;shares a positive change in setting boundaries with her daughter and questions why the same advice, given a year apart, yielded such different results</p><p><br></p><p>21:58&nbsp; &nbsp;How the book addresses common parenting challenges</p><p><br></p><p>35:18&nbsp; &nbsp;Jen’s perspective on neurodiversity in the context of the book's approach</p><p><br></p><p>41:01&nbsp; &nbsp;The importance of addressing privilege and White supremacy in parenting</p><p><br></p><p>46:10&nbsp; &nbsp;The feasibility of meeting everyone's needs in society</p><p><br></p><p>52:30&nbsp; &nbsp;Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/pbplaunchcelebration]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ed1e4cb4-8282-4785-b326-a12998aec4d7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2023 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7ce22345-59fb-4553-a353-58fe83b5d106/Parenting-Beyond-Power-edited.mp3" length="53153032" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Parenting Beyond Power is officially available today! Come join a mini-celebration with me in this podcast episode, and TODAY on Zoom at 11am Pacific/2pm Eastern/8pm Central Europe, and in-person this weekend if you&apos;re in the Bay Area!




Do you celebrate your achievements? I don&apos;t know about you, but I find it pretty difficult.




I didn&apos;t celebrate getting into Berkeley or Yale, or graduating from either of those places either (in fact, I think I was in the car driving away from each of those places when the graduation ceremonies happened).




I didn&apos;t celebrate getting U.S. citizenship, or have a baby shower, and Alvin and Carys buy or make me a birthday cake every year because they want to, but I don&apos;t really celebrate that either.




I didn&apos;t celebrate signing a book deal two years ago, and when we rolled over 3 million downloads recently I asked someone on my team to make a quick social post...and that was it.




So celebrating the book&apos;s launch feels...weird to me. But apparently people who write books do it, so I&apos;m giving it a try - Jen style.




I invited a listener, María José (MJ) Durán, to ask me whatever questions she had about the book and the writing process for a mini-celebration.




(I did slip in a couple of questions for her as well, and I have to say that her response to me asking what she got out of the book was really meaningful for me - she now understands her own Mom in a way she hadn&apos;t been able to until now, which has brought María José (MJ) Durán some measure of relief.)




Come join one of our mini-celebrations! Listen to the podcast episode, or join me live today...or both!</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8a6304f9-430b-4af8-be3f-9d77d4cce2ec/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>190: How to use the tools in Parenting Beyond Power</title><itunes:title>190: How to use the tools in Parenting Beyond Power</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p><br></p><p>One of the questions I'm asked most often about <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting Beyond Power</a> (preorder bonuses are available for just a few more days!) is:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>So when a group of listeners volunteered to get together to discuss what they got out of the book, that was the first thing I wanted to ask them.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The core premise of the book is that the social forces of White supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism have really hurt us - they're the biggest reason why we feel so much pain and shame. And we will pass on those hurts to our own children unless we do something different - and most of the book is about what we actually do differently to make parenting easier today, and work toward creating a world where everyone belongs.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Eliza began:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Kat added:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Elizabeth concluded:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>We talked about the needs cupcake, and how we can use that to understand the needs that both we and our children are trying to meet on a regular basis. Eliza found that she's able to be more regulated by managing the level of sound around her - which she hadn't realized was a 'cherry' need for her until now!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Eliza coached Elizabeth through a struggle she's having with her daughter not wanting to go to bed, and Kat talked through a beautiful story of how she's supporting her children, who have been fighting with each other a LOT. Now they fight a lot less, because their needs are met more often. We're lucky that we heard Kat share that story before her phone battery died!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The wait is over! I'm thrilled to announce that Parenting Beyond Power is now available for you to explore.</p><p><br></p><p>Discover practical insights and fresh perspectives that can make a positive difference in your parenting journey.</p><p><br></p><p>Click the banner to get Parenting Beyond Power today:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:43 Introduction to the podcast</p><p><br></p><p>02:04 Guests introduce themselves</p><p><br></p><p>05:00 Longtime participants discuss how the book differs from the podcast and other resources, emphasizing its unique value.</p><p><br></p><p>08:05 Participants share their the tools they learned from the book and any resulting parenting changes.</p><p><br></p><p>08:48 Elizabeth applies book tools like problem-solving conversations and the needs cupcake diagram, but grapples with addressing her daughter's need for community during bedtime routines.</p><p><br></p><p>11:46 Elisa and Elizabeth discuss adapting bedtime routines to balance tasks and the daughter's need for connection.</p><p><br></p><p>16:13 Jen offers suggestions for Elizabeth on meeting her child’s needs while setting her boundaries.</p><p><br></p><p>19:26 Kat shares her struggle with boundary-setting due to being a people-pleaser, aiming to create a boundary-respecting environment for her children.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>21:17 Elisa finds the "needs cupcake" concept valuable in recognizing and addressing recurring needs for herself and her children.</p><p><br></p><p>27:14 Kat applies the "needs cupcake" concept to understand her children's primary needs, enabling her to address conflicts more effectively, encourage problem-solving discussions, and redirect behaviors towards meeting those needs.</p><p><br></p><p>38:58 They highlight the significance of acknowledging and addressing unique family needs, challenging gender norms in parenting, and prioritizing the fulfillment of needs for both children and parents to cultivate positive relationships.</p><p><br></p><p>43:08 Participants discuss their ongoing journey of personal growth and parenting transformation, highlighting the significance of self-compassion and aligning actions with values.</p><p><br></p><p>48:10 Elisa asks about potential content that wasn't included in the book, and Jen explains the challenge of balancing content while emphasizing the importance of practical tools.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>50:48 Jen underscores the significance of consistent efforts based on personal values rather than perfection, emphasizing the uniqueness of every parent-child interaction.</p><p><br></p><p>53:15 Jen wraps up as she reflects on the question of whether parenting is easy.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p><p><br></p><p>One of the questions I'm asked most often about <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/book" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parenting Beyond Power</a> (preorder bonuses are available for just a few more days!) is:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>So when a group of listeners volunteered to get together to discuss what they got out of the book, that was the first thing I wanted to ask them.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The core premise of the book is that the social forces of White supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism have really hurt us - they're the biggest reason why we feel so much pain and shame. And we will pass on those hurts to our own children unless we do something different - and most of the book is about what we actually do differently to make parenting easier today, and work toward creating a world where everyone belongs.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Eliza began:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Kat added:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Elizabeth concluded:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>We talked about the needs cupcake, and how we can use that to understand the needs that both we and our children are trying to meet on a regular basis. Eliza found that she's able to be more regulated by managing the level of sound around her - which she hadn't realized was a 'cherry' need for her until now!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Eliza coached Elizabeth through a struggle she's having with her daughter not wanting to go to bed, and Kat talked through a beautiful story of how she's supporting her children, who have been fighting with each other a LOT. Now they fight a lot less, because their needs are met more often. We're lucky that we heard Kat share that story before her phone battery died!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The wait is over! I'm thrilled to announce that Parenting Beyond Power is now available for you to explore.</p><p><br></p><p>Discover practical insights and fresh perspectives that can make a positive difference in your parenting journey.</p><p><br></p><p>Click the banner to get Parenting Beyond Power today:</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:43 Introduction to the podcast</p><p><br></p><p>02:04 Guests introduce themselves</p><p><br></p><p>05:00 Longtime participants discuss how the book differs from the podcast and other resources, emphasizing its unique value.</p><p><br></p><p>08:05 Participants share their the tools they learned from the book and any resulting parenting changes.</p><p><br></p><p>08:48 Elizabeth applies book tools like problem-solving conversations and the needs cupcake diagram, but grapples with addressing her daughter's need for community during bedtime routines.</p><p><br></p><p>11:46 Elisa and Elizabeth discuss adapting bedtime routines to balance tasks and the daughter's need for connection.</p><p><br></p><p>16:13 Jen offers suggestions for Elizabeth on meeting her child’s needs while setting her boundaries.</p><p><br></p><p>19:26 Kat shares her struggle with boundary-setting due to being a people-pleaser, aiming to create a boundary-respecting environment for her children.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>21:17 Elisa finds the "needs cupcake" concept valuable in recognizing and addressing recurring needs for herself and her children.</p><p><br></p><p>27:14 Kat applies the "needs cupcake" concept to understand her children's primary needs, enabling her to address conflicts more effectively, encourage problem-solving discussions, and redirect behaviors towards meeting those needs.</p><p><br></p><p>38:58 They highlight the significance of acknowledging and addressing unique family needs, challenging gender norms in parenting, and prioritizing the fulfillment of needs for both children and parents to cultivate positive relationships.</p><p><br></p><p>43:08 Participants discuss their ongoing journey of personal growth and parenting transformation, highlighting the significance of self-compassion and aligning actions with values.</p><p><br></p><p>48:10 Elisa asks about potential content that wasn't included in the book, and Jen explains the challenge of balancing content while emphasizing the importance of practical tools.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>50:48 Jen underscores the significance of consistent efforts based on personal values rather than perfection, emphasizing the uniqueness of every parent-child interaction.</p><p><br></p><p>53:15 Jen wraps up as she reflects on the question of whether parenting is easy.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingbeyondpowertools]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">232c3548-de71-4938-90b8-992d8fe94a1c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2f3f550e-c7dd-4453-8a98-23bcd37754ca/190-audio-edited.mp3" length="56073673" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>One of the questions I&apos;m asked most often about Parenting Beyond Power (preorder bonuses are available for just a few more days!) is:

How is reading the book different from listening to the podcast? 



So when a group of listeners volunteered to get together to discuss what they got out of the book, that was the first thing I wanted to ask them.



The core premise of the book is that the social forces of White supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism have really hurt us - they&apos;re the biggest reason why we feel so much pain and shame. And we will pass on those hurts to our own children unless we do something different - and most of the book is about what we actually do differently to make parenting easier today, and work toward creating a world where everyone belongs.

Eliza began: 
Each podcast episode is a deep dive into one topic, and what I loved about the book was that I&apos;ve spent time thinking about all of these topics separately, but now I see the threads between them so much more clearly so I can see which pieces I still want to think more about or work on.



Kat added:
I do have some knowledge about how these cultural forces are affecting the population, and I&apos;m constantly working on addressing them in myself. And the book provides a central place where we can address these issues with ourselves, and our children, and that that branches out into the community and the world at large. I think it&apos;s very powerful to have that central hub to help me connect all the different pieces of knowledge I have...and then do something with them!



Elizabeth concluded:
The examples are really helpful and I found them easy to connect with. I can&apos;t wait until I have the physical book in my hand to be able to go through and scribble notes in the margins!

We talked about the needs cupcake, and how we can use that to understand the needs that both we and our children are trying to meet on a regular basis. Eliza found that she&apos;s able to be more regulated by managing the level of sound around her - which she hadn&apos;t realized was a &apos;cherry&apos; need for her until now!



Eliza coached Elizabeth through a struggle she&apos;s having with her daughter not wanting to go to bed, and Kat talked through a beautiful story of how she&apos;s supporting her children, who have been fighting with each other a LOT. Now they fight a lot less, because their needs are met more often. We&apos;re lucky that we heard Kat share that story before her phone battery died!



Parenting Beyond Power is still available for pre-order for just a few more days...which means the pre-order bonuses are available for just a few more days too! (We will still have some bonuses available after September 5, but some of the coolest ones are going away then.)



[Button] Click here to get the Parenting Beyond Power bonuses!



And don&apos;t forget to mark your calendar for our launch events:
Tuesday September 5 from 11am-noon Pacific on Zoom


Sunday September 10 from 10am-noon LIVE in the Bay Area</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/974af2a4-f00d-484d-9186-c4c9b06a3301/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>189: Childhood Unlimited with Virginia Mendez</title><itunes:title>189: Childhood Unlimited with Virginia Mendez</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you <em>try</em> to give your children messages about gender that are aligned with your values? Do you tell your daughter that she can do anything she wants to do, and look for shows that have equal representation of male- and female-presenting characters?

&nbsp;

If so, you're off to a good start.

&nbsp;

And...there's so much more to do.

&nbsp;

One of the core ideas in my book, <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power</a>, is that we parents pass cultural messages on to our children. We do that through the books we read, the actions we praise, and the conversations we have (or don't have).

&nbsp;

I don't censor the books I'm reading to Carys - we just talk about them. Right now we're reading Wild Born, Book 1 of the Spirit Animals collection. (I did check to make sure that the concept of 'spirit animals' isn't disrespectful to Indigenous people...it turns out it's a concept that White people made up, and it's only disrespectful if we try to link it to Indigenous practices.)

&nbsp;

Here's an excerpt from the beginning of Chapter 3:

&nbsp;

<em>"Meilin sat on a cushion before her looking glass, meticulously applying facial paint. She didn't mind letting her handmaidens prepare her for festivals or banquets. But today was important. Today she wanted to look just right. And when you wanted something done right, you did it yourself.</em>

&nbsp;

<em>After finishing the accents around her eyes, Meilin inspected her handiwork. It was a work of art atop a work of art. People always remarked that she was stunning. She had never needed paint on her face to earn compliments. But now she possessed an allure beyond her natural beauty."</em>

&nbsp;

It goes on to describe the strategic imperfection in her hair that made it "more appealing," and then she practices the looks she will display during her ceremony.

&nbsp;

There's a lot going on here... It starts with the White supremacy-based idea that if you want something done right you can never rely on others but only do it yourself. (This book seems to be primarily about relationships, so I assume it's marketed to girls. And we wonder where women and mothers get the idea that they have to do it all themselves if we want it done right?) The book opened with a male character who obviously cared a lot about his clothes who waited impatiently while a servant connected forty eight clasps.

&nbsp;

No male character's face is described in this level of detail. No male character puts paint on their face. No male character is introduced to the reader as an object to be looked upon with desire.

&nbsp;

This is how cultural ideas are passed on.

&nbsp;

This is how girls learn that being pretty has currency.

&nbsp;

That it's a girl's job to create and use their appearance to manipulate others.

&nbsp;

And if any boys happen to be reading, they learn that their job is to judge the performance.

&nbsp;

These messages are harmful for all children, because they say that certain behaviors aren't acceptable in certain children - for no other reason than it doesn't match their <em>genitals</em> (of all things!).

&nbsp;

What messages are your children learning about gender from the books you're reading to them, or that they're reading by themselves?

&nbsp;

In this episode Virginia Mendez, author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Childhood-Unlimited-Parenting-Beyond-Gender/dp/1529395380" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Childhood Unlimited: Parenting Beyond the Gender Bias</a> (affiliate link), helps us to see examples like this in books, films, toys, and even in the language we use around and toward our children.

&nbsp;

Join me for this fun conversation with Virginia as we learn how to raise children who won't be constrained by their gender, and who can express their full selves.

&nbsp;
<h2>Virginia Mendez's Book:</h2>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Childhood-Unlimited-Parenting-Beyond-Gender/dp/1529395380" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Childhood Unlimited: Parenting Beyond the Gender Bias</a> (affiliate link)

&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
The wait is over! I'm thrilled to announce that Parenting Beyond Power is now available for you to explore.

Discover practical insights and fresh perspectives that can make a positive difference in your parenting journey.

Click the banner to get Parenting Beyond Power today:

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:39 Introduction of this episode’s topic and guest

01:28 Sex involves biological traits while gender is a diverse social identity that defies binary categorization.

04:01 Children's gender differences are largely influenced by societal norms and upbringing.

09:11 Pink's gender association shifted historically due to color symbolism, marketing, and cultural influences.

10:42 Despite some progress, children's media retains subtle gender biases and stereotypes.

24:18 Embracing non-binary identities, using inclusive pronouns, and challenging traditional gender categories can promote a more respectful and inclusive society.

30:01 Virginia Mendez's book highlights the societal constraints on children's potential due to gender stereotypes.

43:15 Those new to the concept of non-binary identities should focus on cultivating awareness and curiosity about non-binary identities, while those already familiar can continue having open conversations with their children and encouraging exploration for an inclusive and understanding environment.

46:59 Embrace discomfort as a sign of personal growth and be open to adjusting to non-binary language and identities.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you <em>try</em> to give your children messages about gender that are aligned with your values? Do you tell your daughter that she can do anything she wants to do, and look for shows that have equal representation of male- and female-presenting characters?

&nbsp;

If so, you're off to a good start.

&nbsp;

And...there's so much more to do.

&nbsp;

One of the core ideas in my book, <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Power</a>, is that we parents pass cultural messages on to our children. We do that through the books we read, the actions we praise, and the conversations we have (or don't have).

&nbsp;

I don't censor the books I'm reading to Carys - we just talk about them. Right now we're reading Wild Born, Book 1 of the Spirit Animals collection. (I did check to make sure that the concept of 'spirit animals' isn't disrespectful to Indigenous people...it turns out it's a concept that White people made up, and it's only disrespectful if we try to link it to Indigenous practices.)

&nbsp;

Here's an excerpt from the beginning of Chapter 3:

&nbsp;

<em>"Meilin sat on a cushion before her looking glass, meticulously applying facial paint. She didn't mind letting her handmaidens prepare her for festivals or banquets. But today was important. Today she wanted to look just right. And when you wanted something done right, you did it yourself.</em>

&nbsp;

<em>After finishing the accents around her eyes, Meilin inspected her handiwork. It was a work of art atop a work of art. People always remarked that she was stunning. She had never needed paint on her face to earn compliments. But now she possessed an allure beyond her natural beauty."</em>

&nbsp;

It goes on to describe the strategic imperfection in her hair that made it "more appealing," and then she practices the looks she will display during her ceremony.

&nbsp;

There's a lot going on here... It starts with the White supremacy-based idea that if you want something done right you can never rely on others but only do it yourself. (This book seems to be primarily about relationships, so I assume it's marketed to girls. And we wonder where women and mothers get the idea that they have to do it all themselves if we want it done right?) The book opened with a male character who obviously cared a lot about his clothes who waited impatiently while a servant connected forty eight clasps.

&nbsp;

No male character's face is described in this level of detail. No male character puts paint on their face. No male character is introduced to the reader as an object to be looked upon with desire.

&nbsp;

This is how cultural ideas are passed on.

&nbsp;

This is how girls learn that being pretty has currency.

&nbsp;

That it's a girl's job to create and use their appearance to manipulate others.

&nbsp;

And if any boys happen to be reading, they learn that their job is to judge the performance.

&nbsp;

These messages are harmful for all children, because they say that certain behaviors aren't acceptable in certain children - for no other reason than it doesn't match their <em>genitals</em> (of all things!).

&nbsp;

What messages are your children learning about gender from the books you're reading to them, or that they're reading by themselves?

&nbsp;

In this episode Virginia Mendez, author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Childhood-Unlimited-Parenting-Beyond-Gender/dp/1529395380" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Childhood Unlimited: Parenting Beyond the Gender Bias</a> (affiliate link), helps us to see examples like this in books, films, toys, and even in the language we use around and toward our children.

&nbsp;

Join me for this fun conversation with Virginia as we learn how to raise children who won't be constrained by their gender, and who can express their full selves.

&nbsp;
<h2>Virginia Mendez's Book:</h2>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Childhood-Unlimited-Parenting-Beyond-Gender/dp/1529395380" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Childhood Unlimited: Parenting Beyond the Gender Bias</a> (affiliate link)

&nbsp;
<h3>Parenting Beyond Power</h3>
The wait is over! I'm thrilled to announce that Parenting Beyond Power is now available for you to explore.

Discover practical insights and fresh perspectives that can make a positive difference in your parenting journey.

Click the banner to get Parenting Beyond Power today:

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:39 Introduction of this episode’s topic and guest

01:28 Sex involves biological traits while gender is a diverse social identity that defies binary categorization.

04:01 Children's gender differences are largely influenced by societal norms and upbringing.

09:11 Pink's gender association shifted historically due to color symbolism, marketing, and cultural influences.

10:42 Despite some progress, children's media retains subtle gender biases and stereotypes.

24:18 Embracing non-binary identities, using inclusive pronouns, and challenging traditional gender categories can promote a more respectful and inclusive society.

30:01 Virginia Mendez's book highlights the societal constraints on children's potential due to gender stereotypes.

43:15 Those new to the concept of non-binary identities should focus on cultivating awareness and curiosity about non-binary identities, while those already familiar can continue having open conversations with their children and encouraging exploration for an inclusive and understanding environment.

46:59 Embrace discomfort as a sign of personal growth and be open to adjusting to non-binary language and identities.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/childhoodunlimited]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a29b97f5-3089-4abf-880b-19efe3598ef6</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/525a22f6-d727-4cbb-9a9e-9f80cf59e498/189-audio-only-edited.mp3" length="49451593" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>187</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>187</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6d5888d5-758c-4f90-ab54-99fb072e47b2/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Q&amp;A#4: Is it safe to delay math learning?</title><itunes:title>Q&amp;A 4: Is it safe to delay math learning?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this episode we hear from listener Lindsay who wonders whether it's safe to delay math learning, since (they've heard) there's a 'critical window' for learning language.

&nbsp;

Would delaying math learning mean that our child can't catch up later? Will they develop a negative view of their own learning? What if they can't get into college? We address all of these questions and more.

&nbsp;
<h3>Learning Membership</h3>
&nbsp;

Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Join the waitlist now. All the usual stuff applies - sliding scale pricing, money-back guarantee.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:10 Listener Lindsay asks the question, “How safe is it to neglect math education until your child shows some kind of interest in wanting to do it?”

01:48 Jen gives her academic history in math and admits to applying problem-solving strategies without full comprehension.

07:44 The critical period for learning seen in animal research also applies to children with severe language deprivation during early months.

08:51 The critical period for language development and second language acquisition is questioned in relation to math learning.

12:58 Sudbury School's anecdotal evidence suggests children can learn math quickly when motivated, sparking questions about early teaching, fostering a love of learning, and the impact on future opportunities.

15:54 Emphasizing intrinsic motivation over forced comparisons in math fosters self-awareness, more vital for a fulfilling life than specific skills.

19:31 Cognitively Guided Instruction values children's math knowledge, encourages pattern exploration, and validates individual methods, fostering a deeper understanding of math concepts.

22:09 Fostering children's intuitive understanding of math through collaborative learning and self-developed algorithms is a powerful approach.

24:01 Don't worry about formal math instruction; children will naturally develop their own strategies and algorithms when provided with a supportive learning environment.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Singleton, D., &amp; Lesniewska, J. (2021). The critical period hypothesis for L2 acquisition: An unfalsifiable embarrassment? Languages 6(3), 149.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode we hear from listener Lindsay who wonders whether it's safe to delay math learning, since (they've heard) there's a 'critical window' for learning language.

&nbsp;

Would delaying math learning mean that our child can't catch up later? Will they develop a negative view of their own learning? What if they can't get into college? We address all of these questions and more.

&nbsp;
<h3>Learning Membership</h3>
&nbsp;

Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Join the waitlist now. All the usual stuff applies - sliding scale pricing, money-back guarantee.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:10 Listener Lindsay asks the question, “How safe is it to neglect math education until your child shows some kind of interest in wanting to do it?”

01:48 Jen gives her academic history in math and admits to applying problem-solving strategies without full comprehension.

07:44 The critical period for learning seen in animal research also applies to children with severe language deprivation during early months.

08:51 The critical period for language development and second language acquisition is questioned in relation to math learning.

12:58 Sudbury School's anecdotal evidence suggests children can learn math quickly when motivated, sparking questions about early teaching, fostering a love of learning, and the impact on future opportunities.

15:54 Emphasizing intrinsic motivation over forced comparisons in math fosters self-awareness, more vital for a fulfilling life than specific skills.

19:31 Cognitively Guided Instruction values children's math knowledge, encourages pattern exploration, and validates individual methods, fostering a deeper understanding of math concepts.

22:09 Fostering children's intuitive understanding of math through collaborative learning and self-developed algorithms is a powerful approach.

24:01 Don't worry about formal math instruction; children will naturally develop their own strategies and algorithms when provided with a supportive learning environment.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Singleton, D., &amp; Lesniewska, J. (2021). The critical period hypothesis for L2 acquisition: An unfalsifiable embarrassment? Languages 6(3), 149.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/delaymath]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">38d485b2-cba0-4fb3-adda-6da6eb331815</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/38d485b2-cba0-4fb3-adda-6da6eb331815.mp3" length="24927433" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:58</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/bccc1ac9-e8cf-4327-b07f-e243da4a3ea6/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>188: How to learn way beyond ‘doing well in school’</title><itunes:title>188: How to learn way beyond ‘doing well in school’</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When you listen to this episode you may get a bit of a sense of deja vu - way back in 2020, listener Kelly reached out to me and asked if I would be willing to do <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/burnout/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an episode on parental burnout</a>, which she was struggling to navigate at the time. We ended up interviewing Dr. Moira Mikolajczak, one of the world's experts on parental burnout.

&nbsp;

After the conversation Dr. Mikolajczak expressed to me how much her heart went out to Kelly, who was navigating what seemed like an individual-level problem when it was actually very much our society's failure to support her that created the problem. <a href="http://www.yourparentingmojo.com/race" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Having explored the connection between race and parenting in a series of episodes</a> the previous year, ideas were definitely percolating for me about how societal issues show up in our families which is, of course, a massive theme in my <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">book</a>.

&nbsp;

So it was so amazing to see Kelly recently in a much better place, reflecting on the connections between her school-based learning and her burnout, and how she's taking steps to help her child learn lessons she thinks are truly important, like how to:
<ul><li>Think critically about messages she receives from other people;</li><li>See multiple people's needs in an interaction, and find ways to meet both of their needs;</li><li>Learn about the world immediately around her (which often involves Kelly backing off and<em>not doing anything</em>, rather than stepping in to teach a lesson).</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Kelly's children are certainly learning profound lessons in this process - but so is Kelly. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone so delighted to say that she's thrown out a puzzle book that still had three un-done puzzles in that she didn't want to do, having (finally) learned that <em>it's OK not to finish every single thing you start. </em>Because not being able to do that can lead to burnout.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introduction to today’s topic

02:02 Kelly talks about her family.

02:34 In the Netherlands, Kelly (who later discovered she had ADHD) attended a non-religious public school, enjoyed learning despite feeling out of place, and found ways to stay engaged.

06:32 Kelly’s burnout was influenced by her tendency to prioritize meeting teachers' expectations rather than pursuing genuine interest, the impact of ADHD on her learning experience, and the mismatch between her learning style and the educational system.

12:12 Before working with Jen, Kelly focused on academic subjects for her child's learning, while also recognizing learning in everyday experiences, but found it challenging to be at home with the children all day due to energy limitations.

14:13 Kelly considered homeschooling but found that the strict regulations in the Netherlands, along with the lack of community support and limited options for activities during the day, made it extremely difficult.

15:25 Kelly engages in discussions with her daughter about the school system, emphasizes meeting individual needs, and recognizes her advanced learning beyond the classroom.

23:33 Kelly, a member of the Learning Membership, engages in informal and organic learning explorations with her children.

30:37 Kelly's perspective has shifted, realizing that she doesn't have to finish everything and can find alternative approaches that work for her and her family.

35:19 Kelly feels more relaxed and confident in her role as a parent, allowing her child to learn from mistakes and pursue their own interests, while also engaging in important discussions about diversity and the environment to prepare her child for adulthood.

39:11 Kelly advises parents to have faith in their child's learning, embrace peace and calm, enjoy their child's curiosity, and play along with their exploration for their happiness and growth as individuals and good citizens.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When you listen to this episode you may get a bit of a sense of deja vu - way back in 2020, listener Kelly reached out to me and asked if I would be willing to do <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/burnout/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an episode on parental burnout</a>, which she was struggling to navigate at the time. We ended up interviewing Dr. Moira Mikolajczak, one of the world's experts on parental burnout.

&nbsp;

After the conversation Dr. Mikolajczak expressed to me how much her heart went out to Kelly, who was navigating what seemed like an individual-level problem when it was actually very much our society's failure to support her that created the problem. <a href="http://www.yourparentingmojo.com/race" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Having explored the connection between race and parenting in a series of episodes</a> the previous year, ideas were definitely percolating for me about how societal issues show up in our families which is, of course, a massive theme in my <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">book</a>.

&nbsp;

So it was so amazing to see Kelly recently in a much better place, reflecting on the connections between her school-based learning and her burnout, and how she's taking steps to help her child learn lessons she thinks are truly important, like how to:
<ul><li>Think critically about messages she receives from other people;</li><li>See multiple people's needs in an interaction, and find ways to meet both of their needs;</li><li>Learn about the world immediately around her (which often involves Kelly backing off and<em>not doing anything</em>, rather than stepping in to teach a lesson).</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Kelly's children are certainly learning profound lessons in this process - but so is Kelly. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone so delighted to say that she's thrown out a puzzle book that still had three un-done puzzles in that she didn't want to do, having (finally) learned that <em>it's OK not to finish every single thing you start. </em>Because not being able to do that can lead to burnout.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:26 Introduction to today’s topic

02:02 Kelly talks about her family.

02:34 In the Netherlands, Kelly (who later discovered she had ADHD) attended a non-religious public school, enjoyed learning despite feeling out of place, and found ways to stay engaged.

06:32 Kelly’s burnout was influenced by her tendency to prioritize meeting teachers' expectations rather than pursuing genuine interest, the impact of ADHD on her learning experience, and the mismatch between her learning style and the educational system.

12:12 Before working with Jen, Kelly focused on academic subjects for her child's learning, while also recognizing learning in everyday experiences, but found it challenging to be at home with the children all day due to energy limitations.

14:13 Kelly considered homeschooling but found that the strict regulations in the Netherlands, along with the lack of community support and limited options for activities during the day, made it extremely difficult.

15:25 Kelly engages in discussions with her daughter about the school system, emphasizes meeting individual needs, and recognizes her advanced learning beyond the classroom.

23:33 Kelly, a member of the Learning Membership, engages in informal and organic learning explorations with her children.

30:37 Kelly's perspective has shifted, realizing that she doesn't have to finish everything and can find alternative approaches that work for her and her family.

35:19 Kelly feels more relaxed and confident in her role as a parent, allowing her child to learn from mistakes and pursue their own interests, while also engaging in important discussions about diversity and the environment to prepare her child for adulthood.

39:11 Kelly advises parents to have faith in their child's learning, embrace peace and calm, enjoy their child's curiosity, and play along with their exploration for their happiness and growth as individuals and good citizens.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondschool]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7d7920e5-456d-4191-ae3e-c5377e6a8ae4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/7d7920e5-456d-4191-ae3e-c5377e6a8ae4.mp3" length="39638741" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/bae3dc17-c08b-443a-8716-c5a29704cca5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>187: What to do when my child says: “I’m booored!”?</title><itunes:title>187: What to do when my child says: “I’m booored!”?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Those of us in the Northern Hemisphere are in the middle of summer now, with the whirlwind of cobbled together childcare and kids at home saying: "I'm booored!".

&nbsp;

What's happening for them when they're saying this?

&nbsp;

And, more importantly, what should we DO about it?

&nbsp;

We don't want to have to entertain them, but what other option is there besides threatening chores?

&nbsp;

This episode will help you to answer their question during the summer months in a way that supports their wellbeing, and also address boredom that crops up at other points in the school year. Like when they're in school.

&nbsp;

Because while I approached this episode from the perspective of navigating summer holidays, it turns out that most researchers can't include the word "child" and "bored" in a study without also including the word "school."

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

All the usual stuff applies - sliding scale pricing, money-back guarantee.  Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introduction to today’s topic

02:32 Dr. Peter Toohey's book explores various definitions of boredom, including one tied to predictable circumstances and another linked to existential despair.

04:16 The concept of boredom has evolved over time.

07:57 Boredom can be linked to dopamine levels in the brain.

10:45 Boredom is connected to negative outcomes and low dopamine activity, leading to depression, anxiety, addiction, and poor performance

13:51 Boredom in children, particularly in school, has negative consequences on academic outcomes and well-being

23:32 Exercising autonomy and pursuing assignments aligned with personal interest and relevance can foster intrinsic motivation and enhance student performance and well-being

29:53 The traditional school system prioritizes conformity over individual interests, leading to disengagement and boredom

35:47 The Learning Membership offers support and resources for parents to cultivate their child's intrinsic love of learning, whether they are in school or not

38:18 Students can combat boredom in school by gamifying tasks, finding personal meaning in them, and recognizing the value of boredom as a guide to more engaging activities

42:54 Boredom serves a purpose in learning by promoting exploration, enhancing performance on creative tasks, and signaling the need for novelty and change

45:26 The Warlpiri people in Australia embody a cultural mindset of infinite patience and being fully present in the moment, where boredom seems non-existent as they engage with their surroundings and find meaning in the immediate place and time

48:17 As explored through the lens of Buddhism, embracing boredom allows us to gain insights into our minds and self-identity, fostering a sense of peace

52:40 To wrap up, the response to a child's boredom depends on their environment–whether they are in school or at home

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Begnaud, D., Coenraad, M., Jain, N., Patel, D., &amp; Bonsignore, E. (2020). “It’s just too much”: Exploring children’s views of boredom and strategies to manage feelings of boredom. In: Proceedings of the Interaction Design and Children Conference (p.624-636).

<hr />

Brankovic, S. (2015). Boredom, dopamine, and the thrill of psychosis: Psychiatry in a new key. Psychiatria Danubina 27(2), 126-137.

<hr />

Danckert, J. (2022). Boredom in the COVID-19 Pandemic. Behavioral Science 12(1), 428.

<hr />

Healy, S.D. (1984). Boredom, self, and culture. Rutherford: Farleigh Dickinson University Press.

<hr />

hooks, b. (1994). Teaching to transgress: Education as the practice of freedom. New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Joseph, N.M. (2022). Making Black girls count in math education: A Black feminist vision for transforming teaching. Boston: Harvard Education Press.

<hr />

LaCapra, D. (2016). Trauma, history, memory, identity: What remains? History and Theory 55, 375-400.

<hr />

Lehr, E., &amp; Todman, M. (2008). Boredom and boredom proneness in children: Implications for academic and social adjustment. In: M. Todman (Ed). Self-Regulation and Social Competence: Psychological Studies in Identity, Achievement and Work-Family Dynamics (p.75-89). Athens: Athens Institute for Education and Research.

<hr />

Lin, Y., &amp; Westgate, E.C. (2021). The origins of boredom. Unpublished manuscript. Retrieved from: <a href="https://psyarxiv.com/bz6n8/download?format=pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://psyarxiv.com/bz6n8/download?format=pdf</a>

<hr />

Lomas, T. (2017). A meditation on boredom: Reappraising its value through introspective phenomenology. Qualitative Research in Psychology 14(1), 1-22.

<hr />

Lomas, T. (2017). A reappraisal of boredom: A case study in second wave psychology. In: N.J.L. Brown, T. Lomas, &amp; F.J. Eiroa-Orosa (Eds.), The Routledge International Handbook of Critical Positive Psychology (p.213-226). Abingdon-on-Thames: Routledge.

<hr />

Musharbash, Y. (2007). Boredom, time, and modernity: An example from Aboriginal Australia. American Anthropologist 109(2), 307-317.

<hr />

O’Hanlon, J.F. (1981). Boredom: Practical consequences and a theory. Acta Psychologica 49, 53-82.

<hr />

Pfattheicher, S., Lazarevic, L.B., Westgate, E.C., &amp; Schindler, S. (2021). On the relation of boredom and sadistic aggression. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 121(3), 573-600.

<hr />

Toohey, P. (2011). Boredom: A lively history. New Haven: Yale University Press.

<hr />

Waterschoot, J., Van der Kaap-Deeder, J., Morbee, S., Soenens, B., &amp; Vansteenkiste, M. (2021). “How to unlock myself from boredom?” The role of mindfulness and a dual awareness- and action-oriented pathway during the COVID-19 lockdown. Personality and Individual Differences 175, 110729.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Those of us in the Northern Hemisphere are in the middle of summer now, with the whirlwind of cobbled together childcare and kids at home saying: "I'm booored!".

&nbsp;

What's happening for them when they're saying this?

&nbsp;

And, more importantly, what should we DO about it?

&nbsp;

We don't want to have to entertain them, but what other option is there besides threatening chores?

&nbsp;

This episode will help you to answer their question during the summer months in a way that supports their wellbeing, and also address boredom that crops up at other points in the school year. Like when they're in school.

&nbsp;

Because while I approached this episode from the perspective of navigating summer holidays, it turns out that most researchers can't include the word "child" and "bored" in a study without also including the word "school."

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

All the usual stuff applies - sliding scale pricing, money-back guarantee.  Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:59 Introduction to today’s topic

02:32 Dr. Peter Toohey's book explores various definitions of boredom, including one tied to predictable circumstances and another linked to existential despair.

04:16 The concept of boredom has evolved over time.

07:57 Boredom can be linked to dopamine levels in the brain.

10:45 Boredom is connected to negative outcomes and low dopamine activity, leading to depression, anxiety, addiction, and poor performance

13:51 Boredom in children, particularly in school, has negative consequences on academic outcomes and well-being

23:32 Exercising autonomy and pursuing assignments aligned with personal interest and relevance can foster intrinsic motivation and enhance student performance and well-being

29:53 The traditional school system prioritizes conformity over individual interests, leading to disengagement and boredom

35:47 The Learning Membership offers support and resources for parents to cultivate their child's intrinsic love of learning, whether they are in school or not

38:18 Students can combat boredom in school by gamifying tasks, finding personal meaning in them, and recognizing the value of boredom as a guide to more engaging activities

42:54 Boredom serves a purpose in learning by promoting exploration, enhancing performance on creative tasks, and signaling the need for novelty and change

45:26 The Warlpiri people in Australia embody a cultural mindset of infinite patience and being fully present in the moment, where boredom seems non-existent as they engage with their surroundings and find meaning in the immediate place and time

48:17 As explored through the lens of Buddhism, embracing boredom allows us to gain insights into our minds and self-identity, fostering a sense of peace

52:40 To wrap up, the response to a child's boredom depends on their environment–whether they are in school or at home

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Begnaud, D., Coenraad, M., Jain, N., Patel, D., &amp; Bonsignore, E. (2020). “It’s just too much”: Exploring children’s views of boredom and strategies to manage feelings of boredom. In: Proceedings of the Interaction Design and Children Conference (p.624-636).

<hr />

Brankovic, S. (2015). Boredom, dopamine, and the thrill of psychosis: Psychiatry in a new key. Psychiatria Danubina 27(2), 126-137.

<hr />

Danckert, J. (2022). Boredom in the COVID-19 Pandemic. Behavioral Science 12(1), 428.

<hr />

Healy, S.D. (1984). Boredom, self, and culture. Rutherford: Farleigh Dickinson University Press.

<hr />

hooks, b. (1994). Teaching to transgress: Education as the practice of freedom. New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Joseph, N.M. (2022). Making Black girls count in math education: A Black feminist vision for transforming teaching. Boston: Harvard Education Press.

<hr />

LaCapra, D. (2016). Trauma, history, memory, identity: What remains? History and Theory 55, 375-400.

<hr />

Lehr, E., &amp; Todman, M. (2008). Boredom and boredom proneness in children: Implications for academic and social adjustment. In: M. Todman (Ed). Self-Regulation and Social Competence: Psychological Studies in Identity, Achievement and Work-Family Dynamics (p.75-89). Athens: Athens Institute for Education and Research.

<hr />

Lin, Y., &amp; Westgate, E.C. (2021). The origins of boredom. Unpublished manuscript. Retrieved from: <a href="https://psyarxiv.com/bz6n8/download?format=pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://psyarxiv.com/bz6n8/download?format=pdf</a>

<hr />

Lomas, T. (2017). A meditation on boredom: Reappraising its value through introspective phenomenology. Qualitative Research in Psychology 14(1), 1-22.

<hr />

Lomas, T. (2017). A reappraisal of boredom: A case study in second wave psychology. In: N.J.L. Brown, T. Lomas, &amp; F.J. Eiroa-Orosa (Eds.), The Routledge International Handbook of Critical Positive Psychology (p.213-226). Abingdon-on-Thames: Routledge.

<hr />

Musharbash, Y. (2007). Boredom, time, and modernity: An example from Aboriginal Australia. American Anthropologist 109(2), 307-317.

<hr />

O’Hanlon, J.F. (1981). Boredom: Practical consequences and a theory. Acta Psychologica 49, 53-82.

<hr />

Pfattheicher, S., Lazarevic, L.B., Westgate, E.C., &amp; Schindler, S. (2021). On the relation of boredom and sadistic aggression. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 121(3), 573-600.

<hr />

Toohey, P. (2011). Boredom: A lively history. New Haven: Yale University Press.

<hr />

Waterschoot, J., Van der Kaap-Deeder, J., Morbee, S., Soenens, B., &amp; Vansteenkiste, M. (2021). “How to unlock myself from boredom?” The role of mindfulness and a dual awareness- and action-oriented pathway during the COVID-19 lockdown. Personality and Individual Differences 175, 110729.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/bored]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">80ef5187-abc6-4962-9524-48894a9ea366</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/80ef5187-abc6-4962-9524-48894a9ea366.mp3" length="57495241" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>187</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>187</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/cf2a8287-3614-4874-804c-c889472199d6/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Q&amp;A #3: Why do you have to go to work?</title><itunes:title>Q&amp;A #3: Why do you have to go to work?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Listener Kelsey posted in the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook community</a> a while ago asking how she should respond when her child asks: "Why does Daddy have to go to work?" She got some great answers from community members...and yet there was also a lot more to explore. I asked her to record her question so I could answer it in an episode, so here it is!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Of course, the issue of<em> Daddy</em> going to work has intersections with patriarchy as well...and many Your Parenting Mojo listeners of both/all genders work and probably hear this question from their children, so I adjusted the title of the episode a little.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The episode looks at capitalism and how it impacts our families and other peoples' families...and how we can start to have conversations about that with our children.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>If you'd like to ask a question for me to answer in a future Q&amp;A episode, please email a link to a video of you asking the question to support@yourparentingmojo.com, or go to <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/question" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yourparentingmojo.com/question</a> and look for the Record A Question button.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:58 Listener Kelsey asks how to honestly but age-appropriately answer the question, "Why does daddy have to go to work?"</p><p><br></p><p>02:54 Carys shares her ideas on capitalism and work</p><p><br></p><p>14:10 Kelsey's child isn't necessarily questioning why Daddy has to work, but rather why Daddy&nbsp;isn't available to play</p><p><br></p><p>17:51 The cultural devaluation of certain types of work, the influence of capitalism, housing discrimination, and societal expectations contribute to financial burdens</p><p><br></p><p>23:32 Every time we're making a choice to buy something, that is a choice to spend more time working</p><p><br></p><p>24:00 The mindset plays a significant role in finding joy and value in any job</p><p><br></p><p>25:16  Job satisfaction, financial security, and the role of money in addressing challenges and enhancing safety are crucial in deciding on work</p><p><br></p><p>27:26 Money doesn’t guarantee safety</p><p><br></p><p>30:11 Undervalued care work, predominantly performed by women, is crucial for the capitalist system.</p><p><br></p><p>31:47 Building communities that meet each other's needs can provide more choices and reduce reliance on financial resources.</p><p><br></p><p>32:59 We can talk to our children about capitalism, explaining that work allows us to meet our needs and wants, while addressing the inequalities and challenges that some people face.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>35:14 Teaching children about capitalism and its objections fosters critical thinking about fairness, inequality, and alternative economic perspectives.</p><p><br></p><p>37:40 Teaching financial literacy to children should involve a critical examination of capitalist-focused programs</p><p><br></p><p>42:24 Wrapping up</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listener Kelsey posted in the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook community</a> a while ago asking how she should respond when her child asks: "Why does Daddy have to go to work?" She got some great answers from community members...and yet there was also a lot more to explore. I asked her to record her question so I could answer it in an episode, so here it is!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Of course, the issue of<em> Daddy</em> going to work has intersections with patriarchy as well...and many Your Parenting Mojo listeners of both/all genders work and probably hear this question from their children, so I adjusted the title of the episode a little.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>The episode looks at capitalism and how it impacts our families and other peoples' families...and how we can start to have conversations about that with our children.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>If you'd like to ask a question for me to answer in a future Q&amp;A episode, please email a link to a video of you asking the question to support@yourparentingmojo.com, or go to <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/question" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yourparentingmojo.com/question</a> and look for the Record A Question button.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h3>Jump to Highlights</h3><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>00:58 Listener Kelsey asks how to honestly but age-appropriately answer the question, "Why does daddy have to go to work?"</p><p><br></p><p>02:54 Carys shares her ideas on capitalism and work</p><p><br></p><p>14:10 Kelsey's child isn't necessarily questioning why Daddy has to work, but rather why Daddy&nbsp;isn't available to play</p><p><br></p><p>17:51 The cultural devaluation of certain types of work, the influence of capitalism, housing discrimination, and societal expectations contribute to financial burdens</p><p><br></p><p>23:32 Every time we're making a choice to buy something, that is a choice to spend more time working</p><p><br></p><p>24:00 The mindset plays a significant role in finding joy and value in any job</p><p><br></p><p>25:16  Job satisfaction, financial security, and the role of money in addressing challenges and enhancing safety are crucial in deciding on work</p><p><br></p><p>27:26 Money doesn’t guarantee safety</p><p><br></p><p>30:11 Undervalued care work, predominantly performed by women, is crucial for the capitalist system.</p><p><br></p><p>31:47 Building communities that meet each other's needs can provide more choices and reduce reliance on financial resources.</p><p><br></p><p>32:59 We can talk to our children about capitalism, explaining that work allows us to meet our needs and wants, while addressing the inequalities and challenges that some people face.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>35:14 Teaching children about capitalism and its objections fosters critical thinking about fairness, inequality, and alternative economic perspectives.</p><p><br></p><p>37:40 Teaching financial literacy to children should involve a critical examination of capitalist-focused programs</p><p><br></p><p>42:24 Wrapping up</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/work]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">cdedef21-d5c5-4ae6-90ac-bb2096a81c6a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/cdedef21-d5c5-4ae6-90ac-bb2096a81c6a.mp3" length="46834744" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Listener Kelsey posted in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook community a while ago asking how she should respond when her child asks: &quot;Why does Daddy have to go to work?&quot;  She got some great answers from community members...and yet there was also a lot more to explore.  I asked her to record her question so I could answer it in an episode, so here it is!  

Of course, the issue of Daddy going to work has intersections with patriarchy as well...and many Your Parenting Mojo listeners of both/all genders work and probably hear this question from their children, so I adjusted the title of the episode a little.

The episode looks at capitalism and how it impacts our families and other peoples&apos; families...and how we can start to have conversations about that with our children.

If you&apos;d like to ask a question for me to answer in a future QandA episode, please email a link to a video of you asking the question to support@yourparentingmojo.com, or go to YourParentingMojo.com/question and look for the Record A Question button.</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/adbddfa9-6642-4911-a2ad-1de9b7686bee/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>186: How to meet your needs with Mara Glatzel</title><itunes:title>186: How to meet your needs with Mara Glatzel</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>We talk a lot about meeting needs on the show. And mostly we focus on meeting your child's needs, because when those are met then your needs for peace and ease and collaboration with your child get met as well.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>But of course those are not your only needs. You also have needs independent of your relationship with your children, and you deserve to have these met. Mara Glatzel's new book focuses squarely on <em>your </em>needs. Why is it so hard to understand what our needs are? How can we figure out what our needs are...before they explode out of us in a meltdown? And how can we get these met on a regular basis?</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>This episode will show you how to do that.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>01:20 Introduction of the guest - Mara Glatzel</p><p><br></p><p>02:20  Mara shares the story at the beginning of her book where she tells her personal reflection when she felt learned the importance of asserting one's needs and the impact it has had on her&nbsp; life and relationship</p><p><br></p><p>06:13 Mara differentiates needs from wants</p><p><br></p><p>09:47 The societal pressure to maintain a perfect and productive facade may just lead to burnout and a denial of our own humanity</p><p><br></p><p>13:31 It is important to recognize and identify&nbsp; physical sensations, symptoms, and circumstances associated with burnout to prevent and reverse it</p><p><br></p><p>20:20 Setting boundaries with children allows parents to prioritize their own needs so they meet their children’s needs as well</p><p><br></p><p>24:49 Consistently pushing ourselves beyond our limits and striving for perfection sets us up for burnout</p><p><br></p><p>29:31 Prioritizing our own needs and well-being - even if it means doing things differently from others - is essential for sustainable productivity and a fulfilling life</p><p><br></p><p>34:37 It can be challenging to find the right balance between meeting our children's needs and taking care of our own, but by modeling self-care, setting boundaries, and teaching them how to communicate their needs effectively, we can find ways to support each other</p><p><br></p><p>41:36 Balancing our commitment to creating positive change with prioritizing our own well-being is crucial, as our ability to make an impact is compromised if we neglect self-care</p><p><br></p><p>47:34 If we're unable to deal with our own needs, we make our needs other people's problems - and this impacts our relationships</p><p><br></p><p>50:55 Mara shares about finding joy in trying new activities and embracing the freedom of being a beginner while following personal interests</p><p><br></p><p>54:46 Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Mara's book:</strong></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://amzn.to/422uiVI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Needy: How to advocate for your needs and claim your sovereignty</a> (affiliate link)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We talk a lot about meeting needs on the show. And mostly we focus on meeting your child's needs, because when those are met then your needs for peace and ease and collaboration with your child get met as well.</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>But of course those are not your only needs. You also have needs independent of your relationship with your children, and you deserve to have these met. Mara Glatzel's new book focuses squarely on <em>your </em>needs. Why is it so hard to understand what our needs are? How can we figure out what our needs are...before they explode out of us in a meltdown? And how can we get these met on a regular basis?</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>This episode will show you how to do that.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>01:20 Introduction of the guest - Mara Glatzel</p><p><br></p><p>02:20  Mara shares the story at the beginning of her book where she tells her personal reflection when she felt learned the importance of asserting one's needs and the impact it has had on her&nbsp; life and relationship</p><p><br></p><p>06:13 Mara differentiates needs from wants</p><p><br></p><p>09:47 The societal pressure to maintain a perfect and productive facade may just lead to burnout and a denial of our own humanity</p><p><br></p><p>13:31 It is important to recognize and identify&nbsp; physical sensations, symptoms, and circumstances associated with burnout to prevent and reverse it</p><p><br></p><p>20:20 Setting boundaries with children allows parents to prioritize their own needs so they meet their children’s needs as well</p><p><br></p><p>24:49 Consistently pushing ourselves beyond our limits and striving for perfection sets us up for burnout</p><p><br></p><p>29:31 Prioritizing our own needs and well-being - even if it means doing things differently from others - is essential for sustainable productivity and a fulfilling life</p><p><br></p><p>34:37 It can be challenging to find the right balance between meeting our children's needs and taking care of our own, but by modeling self-care, setting boundaries, and teaching them how to communicate their needs effectively, we can find ways to support each other</p><p><br></p><p>41:36 Balancing our commitment to creating positive change with prioritizing our own well-being is crucial, as our ability to make an impact is compromised if we neglect self-care</p><p><br></p><p>47:34 If we're unable to deal with our own needs, we make our needs other people's problems - and this impacts our relationships</p><p><br></p><p>50:55 Mara shares about finding joy in trying new activities and embracing the freedom of being a beginner while following personal interests</p><p><br></p><p>54:46 Wrapping up</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Mara's book:</strong></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://amzn.to/422uiVI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Needy: How to advocate for your needs and claim your sovereignty</a> (affiliate link)</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/needy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5725ae39-e078-455a-bcc4-cc030c20de7a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/5725ae39-e078-455a-bcc4-cc030c20de7a.mp3" length="55468525" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We talk a lot about meeting needs on the show. And mostly we focus on meeting your child&apos;s needs, because when those are met then your needs for peace and ease and collaboration with your child get met as well.


But of course those are not your only needs. You also have needs independent of your relationship with your children, and you deserve to have these met. Mara Glatzel&apos;s new book focuses squarely on your needs. Why is it so hard to understand what our needs are? How can we figure out what our needs are...before they explode out of us in a meltdown? And how can we get these met on a regular basis?


This episode will show you how to do that.</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/baa2deb5-eaa3-4cbc-b39d-9e547cecddf0/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>185: How can we raise resilient children?</title><itunes:title>185: How can we raise resilient children?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[A lot of parents (and teachers) are concerned right now about children's resilience. Will they 'bounce back' from the difficulties of the pandemic?

But is 'bouncing back' really the way we should be thinking about this? We have all been changed by the pandemic; shouldn't we acknowledge this and see how we can be the best versions of ourselves, incorporating what we've been through over the last few years, rather than trying to 'bounce back' into what we were before (which frankly wasn't all that amazing in a lot of cases, as we rushed from one thing to another with never any time for ourselves).

In this episode we also consider Black and Indigenous researchers' perspectives on resilience, and see how their ideas can perhaps shift how we perceive resilience - and thus how we support our children.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/intergenerationaltrauma/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">140: Mythbusting about fat and BMI with Dr. Lindo Bacon</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">137: Psychological flexibility through ACT with Diana Hill</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolsafety/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">098: Do school shooter trainings help (or hurt) children?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/othering/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">114: How to stop 'othering' and instead build 'belonging'</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachment/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">074: Attachment: What it is, what it's not, how to do it, and how to stop stressing about it</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/patriarchy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">106: Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting </a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:10 Introduction

01:34 Defining resilience from various perspectives

03:16 Resilience requires exposure to some kind of threat or severe adversity

06:37 What a lack of resilience looks like and how to measure its absence

08:16 Measuring resilience in research

09:08 The challenge of defining ‘protective’ factor

10:00 The history of research on resilience

12:03 The importance allowing children to cope with mild stressors

14:40 The Indigenous resilience

17:17 The control and dominance of indigenous peoples in Canada achieved through education and immersion in settler culture

19:25 The importance of resilience culture in Indigenous communities

21:02 A model of resilience by Dr. Edith Grotberg

27:01 Resilience determined by the dominant culture's expectations of normal, healthy, and good outcomes

30:08 The real purpose of resilience

32:18 What happens when a person isn't deemed to be resilient and why that is

33:46 Resilience as a code for social compliance

38:59 What true resilience should be about (based on the story about the Claremont Counseling Center's community building)

40:53 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Aranda, K., Zeeman, L., Scholes, J., &amp; Morales, A. S-M. (2012). The resilient subject: Exploring subjectivity, identity and the body in narratives of resilience. Health 16(5), 548-563.

<hr />

Block, P. (2008). Community: The structure of belonging. San Francisco: Berrett-Koehler.

<hr />

Grotberg, E. (1995). A guide to promoting resilience in children: Strengthening the human spirit. Early Childhood Development: Practice and Reflections Number 8. Bernard van Leer Foundation.

<hr />

Gutman, L.M. (2018). Risk and resilience. Reference Module in Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Psychology. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-12-809324-5.21835-X">https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-12-809324-5.21835-X</a>

<hr />

Henderson, J., &amp; Denny, K. (2015). The resilient child, human development and the “postdemocracy.” BioSocieties 10(3), 352-378.

<hr />

Hess, J. (2019). Moving beyond resilience education: Musical counterstorytelling. Music Education Research 1`(5), 488-502.

<hr />

Kirmayer, L.J., Dandeneau, D., Marshall, E., Phillips, M.K., &amp; Williamson, K.J. (2011). Rethinking resilience from an indigenous perspective. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry 56(2), 84-91.

<hr />

Liu, J.J.W., Reed, M., &amp; Girard, T.A. (2017). Advancing resilience: An integrative, multi-system mode of resilience. Personality and Individual Differences 111, 111-118.

<hr />

Lopez, M., Ruiz, M.O., Rovnaghi, C.R., Tam, G.K-Y., Hiscox, J., Gotlib, I.H., Barr, D.A., Carrion, V.G., &amp; Anand, K.J.S. (2021). The social ecology of childhood and early life adversity. Pediatric Research 89(2), 353-367.

<hr />

Luthar, S.S., Cicchetti, D., &amp; Becker, B. (2000). The construct of resilience: A critical evaluation and guidelines for future work. Child Development 71(3), 543-562.

<hr />

Masten, A.S. (2001). Ordinary Magic: Resilience processes in development. American Psychologist 56(3), 227-238.

<hr />

Masten, A.S.. (2021). Resilience in developmental systems: Principles, pathways, and protective processes in research and practice. In Ungar, M. (Ed.), Multisystemic resilience: Adaptation and transformation in contexts of change (p. 113-134). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Masten, A.S., and Barnes, A.J. (2018). Resilience in children: Developmental perspectives. Children 5, 98.

<hr />

McCalman, J., &amp; Bainbridge, R. (2021). Indigenous education, well-being, and resilience – a systemic approach. In Ungar, M. (Ed.), Multisystemic resilience: Adaptation and transformation in contexts of change (p. 199-219). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

McGuire, P.D. (2010). Exploring resilience and indigenous ways of knowing. Pimatisiwin: A Journal of Aboriginal and Indigenous Community Health 8(2), 117-131.

<hr />

Rutter, M. (2012). Resilience as a dynamic concept. Development and Psychopathology 24, 335-344.

<hr />

Thomas, D., Mitchell, T., &amp; Arseneau, C. (2015). Re-evaluating resilience: From individual vulnerabilities to the strength of cultures and collectivities among indigenous communities. Resilience 4(2), 116-129.

<hr />

Traub, F., &amp; Boynton-Jarrett, R. (2017). Modifiable resilience factors to childhood adversity for clinical pediatric practice. Pediatrics 139(5), e20162569

<hr />

Solkoski, S.M., &amp; Bullock, L.M. (2012). Resilience in children and youth: A review. Children and Youth Services Review 34, 2295-2303.

<hr />

Wexler, L. (2013). Looking across three generations of Alaska Natives to explore how culture fosters indigenous resilience. Transcultural Psychiatry 51(1), 73-92.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[A lot of parents (and teachers) are concerned right now about children's resilience. Will they 'bounce back' from the difficulties of the pandemic?

But is 'bouncing back' really the way we should be thinking about this? We have all been changed by the pandemic; shouldn't we acknowledge this and see how we can be the best versions of ourselves, incorporating what we've been through over the last few years, rather than trying to 'bounce back' into what we were before (which frankly wasn't all that amazing in a lot of cases, as we rushed from one thing to another with never any time for ourselves).

In this episode we also consider Black and Indigenous researchers' perspectives on resilience, and see how their ideas can perhaps shift how we perceive resilience - and thus how we support our children.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/intergenerationaltrauma/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">140: Mythbusting about fat and BMI with Dr. Lindo Bacon</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">137: Psychological flexibility through ACT with Diana Hill</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">148: Is spanking a child really so bad?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolsafety/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">098: Do school shooter trainings help (or hurt) children?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/othering/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">114: How to stop 'othering' and instead build 'belonging'</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachment/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">074: Attachment: What it is, what it's not, how to do it, and how to stop stressing about it</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/patriarchy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">106: Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting </a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:10 Introduction

01:34 Defining resilience from various perspectives

03:16 Resilience requires exposure to some kind of threat or severe adversity

06:37 What a lack of resilience looks like and how to measure its absence

08:16 Measuring resilience in research

09:08 The challenge of defining ‘protective’ factor

10:00 The history of research on resilience

12:03 The importance allowing children to cope with mild stressors

14:40 The Indigenous resilience

17:17 The control and dominance of indigenous peoples in Canada achieved through education and immersion in settler culture

19:25 The importance of resilience culture in Indigenous communities

21:02 A model of resilience by Dr. Edith Grotberg

27:01 Resilience determined by the dominant culture's expectations of normal, healthy, and good outcomes

30:08 The real purpose of resilience

32:18 What happens when a person isn't deemed to be resilient and why that is

33:46 Resilience as a code for social compliance

38:59 What true resilience should be about (based on the story about the Claremont Counseling Center's community building)

40:53 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Aranda, K., Zeeman, L., Scholes, J., &amp; Morales, A. S-M. (2012). The resilient subject: Exploring subjectivity, identity and the body in narratives of resilience. Health 16(5), 548-563.

<hr />

Block, P. (2008). Community: The structure of belonging. San Francisco: Berrett-Koehler.

<hr />

Grotberg, E. (1995). A guide to promoting resilience in children: Strengthening the human spirit. Early Childhood Development: Practice and Reflections Number 8. Bernard van Leer Foundation.

<hr />

Gutman, L.M. (2018). Risk and resilience. Reference Module in Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Psychology. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-12-809324-5.21835-X">https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-12-809324-5.21835-X</a>

<hr />

Henderson, J., &amp; Denny, K. (2015). The resilient child, human development and the “postdemocracy.” BioSocieties 10(3), 352-378.

<hr />

Hess, J. (2019). Moving beyond resilience education: Musical counterstorytelling. Music Education Research 1`(5), 488-502.

<hr />

Kirmayer, L.J., Dandeneau, D., Marshall, E., Phillips, M.K., &amp; Williamson, K.J. (2011). Rethinking resilience from an indigenous perspective. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry 56(2), 84-91.

<hr />

Liu, J.J.W., Reed, M., &amp; Girard, T.A. (2017). Advancing resilience: An integrative, multi-system mode of resilience. Personality and Individual Differences 111, 111-118.

<hr />

Lopez, M., Ruiz, M.O., Rovnaghi, C.R., Tam, G.K-Y., Hiscox, J., Gotlib, I.H., Barr, D.A., Carrion, V.G., &amp; Anand, K.J.S. (2021). The social ecology of childhood and early life adversity. Pediatric Research 89(2), 353-367.

<hr />

Luthar, S.S., Cicchetti, D., &amp; Becker, B. (2000). The construct of resilience: A critical evaluation and guidelines for future work. Child Development 71(3), 543-562.

<hr />

Masten, A.S. (2001). Ordinary Magic: Resilience processes in development. American Psychologist 56(3), 227-238.

<hr />

Masten, A.S.. (2021). Resilience in developmental systems: Principles, pathways, and protective processes in research and practice. In Ungar, M. (Ed.), Multisystemic resilience: Adaptation and transformation in contexts of change (p. 113-134). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Masten, A.S., and Barnes, A.J. (2018). Resilience in children: Developmental perspectives. Children 5, 98.

<hr />

McCalman, J., &amp; Bainbridge, R. (2021). Indigenous education, well-being, and resilience – a systemic approach. In Ungar, M. (Ed.), Multisystemic resilience: Adaptation and transformation in contexts of change (p. 199-219). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

McGuire, P.D. (2010). Exploring resilience and indigenous ways of knowing. Pimatisiwin: A Journal of Aboriginal and Indigenous Community Health 8(2), 117-131.

<hr />

Rutter, M. (2012). Resilience as a dynamic concept. Development and Psychopathology 24, 335-344.

<hr />

Thomas, D., Mitchell, T., &amp; Arseneau, C. (2015). Re-evaluating resilience: From individual vulnerabilities to the strength of cultures and collectivities among indigenous communities. Resilience 4(2), 116-129.

<hr />

Traub, F., &amp; Boynton-Jarrett, R. (2017). Modifiable resilience factors to childhood adversity for clinical pediatric practice. Pediatrics 139(5), e20162569

<hr />

Solkoski, S.M., &amp; Bullock, L.M. (2012). Resilience in children and youth: A review. Children and Youth Services Review 34, 2295-2303.

<hr />

Wexler, L. (2013). Looking across three generations of Alaska Natives to explore how culture fosters indigenous resilience. Transcultural Psychiatry 51(1), 73-92.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/resilient]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4de60e96-fadb-4379-bad2-79370687a898</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/61b9ab0f-e40b-457c-979f-0d70b83b05be/Resilience-audio-only.mp3" length="43422793" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>185</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>185</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b18a00fb-192b-4217-b94b-e88d65cd6274/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>184: How to get on the same page as your co-parent</title><itunes:title>184: How to get on the same page as your co-parent</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you sometimes wish your co-parent would join you on the respectful parenting journey you’re on?

&nbsp;

Would things be easier if you were on the same page?

&nbsp;

Does it seem like you try to convince them using all the research you’ve done respectful parenting…only to have them throw up the “I don’t think we have to make a big deal out of this” card?

&nbsp;

Sarah and Declan had this dynamic in their relationship too.

&nbsp;

<strong>Knowing each other well isn’t always enough</strong>

They met when they were 10 and have been together for 15 years, so they know each other pretty well.  They had even talked about their values before they got married, and found alignment on many of them.

&nbsp;

But Declan is a psychologist working with children and families, so he got the Big Veto.  (It turns out that psychology training focuses on evidence-based strategies to change behavior…which isn’t that hard to do with rewards and punishments.  I think a lot of psychologists show up in my programs because they realize that “evidence-based” doesn’t necessarily mean “good for us” or “aligned with my values”).

&nbsp;

Sarah was struggling with the transition from two to three children, along with Declan’s full-time work, her own part-time work, and a major home renovation - they haven’t had a functional kitchen in two years.Sarah knew she needed more support…but Declan wasn’t sure.  Until he realized that when you’re on a team, you don’t tell an injured player to suck it up.  You can’t tell the parent who is struggling to figure it out by themselves.  We all have a role to play in a family that meets everyone’s needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>A way to repair ruptures that meets both of their needs</strong>

This was most apparent when Sarah would say something critical, causing a temporary rupture…and then would desperately try to repair, wanting to talk it out then and there so she could reestablish connection with him, in a reenactment of her anxious attachment relationship with her mother.

&nbsp;

Declan didn’t find that connecting at all…he saw that she was trying to make herself feel better, not to reconnect with him, and he would retreat - the exact opposite of what she was looking for from him.

&nbsp;

On a group coaching call a few months ago we worked through an example of this dynamic - and found a way to help them reestablish connection that worked for both of them that has made a profound difference in their ability to navigate conflict.  They discuss how it has worked for them in this new episode.

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&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:20 Introduction of this episode’s guests

01:44 Basic information about Sarah and Declan’s family

02:27 Sarah’s childhood experiences and the intergenerational trauma that affected her family

07:25 Declan’s family dynamic which was not emotionally open or supportive

09:20 Declan talks about his experiences with his authoritarian father

10:30 What it was like being together for a long time and then becoming parents

11:21 What Sarah and Declan consider as the most important values they had as a family, as well as the effective parenting strategy that worked during their early years of parenthood

12:44 The challenges of transitioning to having older babies

15:19 Some challenging interactions with the kids

17:03 Declan is the stabilizing force in the family

18:41 How Declan responds to Sarah’s emotional stress

21:20 How they approach certain situations and have learned from each other's feedback

22:06 finding a balance between having a structured decision-making process and ensuring that each one is heard

23:14 How patriarchy shows up in their decision-making

23:53 How their shared values allowed them to work together despite their differences

26:44 How Sarah managed to convince  Declan to join the Parenting Membership

28:52 Declan appreciates the flexibility of Parenting Membership that allows members to choose their level of engagement with the content

31:12 How being part of the Parenting Membership differs from just listening to podcasts

32:47 How the  community aspect of the Parenting Membership helps

38:58 How relationship patterns can impact difficult conversations between partners

40:38 How the Parenting Membership has made a huge difference in their parenting dynamics

50:31 How Sarah has changed to become less triggered

52:57 Wrapping up]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you sometimes wish your co-parent would join you on the respectful parenting journey you’re on?

&nbsp;

Would things be easier if you were on the same page?

&nbsp;

Does it seem like you try to convince them using all the research you’ve done respectful parenting…only to have them throw up the “I don’t think we have to make a big deal out of this” card?

&nbsp;

Sarah and Declan had this dynamic in their relationship too.

&nbsp;

<strong>Knowing each other well isn’t always enough</strong>

They met when they were 10 and have been together for 15 years, so they know each other pretty well.  They had even talked about their values before they got married, and found alignment on many of them.

&nbsp;

But Declan is a psychologist working with children and families, so he got the Big Veto.  (It turns out that psychology training focuses on evidence-based strategies to change behavior…which isn’t that hard to do with rewards and punishments.  I think a lot of psychologists show up in my programs because they realize that “evidence-based” doesn’t necessarily mean “good for us” or “aligned with my values”).

&nbsp;

Sarah was struggling with the transition from two to three children, along with Declan’s full-time work, her own part-time work, and a major home renovation - they haven’t had a functional kitchen in two years.Sarah knew she needed more support…but Declan wasn’t sure.  Until he realized that when you’re on a team, you don’t tell an injured player to suck it up.  You can’t tell the parent who is struggling to figure it out by themselves.  We all have a role to play in a family that meets everyone’s needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>A way to repair ruptures that meets both of their needs</strong>

This was most apparent when Sarah would say something critical, causing a temporary rupture…and then would desperately try to repair, wanting to talk it out then and there so she could reestablish connection with him, in a reenactment of her anxious attachment relationship with her mother.

&nbsp;

Declan didn’t find that connecting at all…he saw that she was trying to make herself feel better, not to reconnect with him, and he would retreat - the exact opposite of what she was looking for from him.

&nbsp;

On a group coaching call a few months ago we worked through an example of this dynamic - and found a way to help them reestablish connection that worked for both of them that has made a profound difference in their ability to navigate conflict.  They discuss how it has worked for them in this new episode.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
This isn't a course that you take once and forget, and things go back to the way they always were.Whenever you get off-track, or when a new challenge pops up, we're here to support and guide you for as long as you're a member.

&nbsp;

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The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:20 Introduction of this episode’s guests

01:44 Basic information about Sarah and Declan’s family

02:27 Sarah’s childhood experiences and the intergenerational trauma that affected her family

07:25 Declan’s family dynamic which was not emotionally open or supportive

09:20 Declan talks about his experiences with his authoritarian father

10:30 What it was like being together for a long time and then becoming parents

11:21 What Sarah and Declan consider as the most important values they had as a family, as well as the effective parenting strategy that worked during their early years of parenthood

12:44 The challenges of transitioning to having older babies

15:19 Some challenging interactions with the kids

17:03 Declan is the stabilizing force in the family

18:41 How Declan responds to Sarah’s emotional stress

21:20 How they approach certain situations and have learned from each other's feedback

22:06 finding a balance between having a structured decision-making process and ensuring that each one is heard

23:14 How patriarchy shows up in their decision-making

23:53 How their shared values allowed them to work together despite their differences

26:44 How Sarah managed to convince  Declan to join the Parenting Membership

28:52 Declan appreciates the flexibility of Parenting Membership that allows members to choose their level of engagement with the content

31:12 How being part of the Parenting Membership differs from just listening to podcasts

32:47 How the  community aspect of the Parenting Membership helps

38:58 How relationship patterns can impact difficult conversations between partners

40:38 How the Parenting Membership has made a huge difference in their parenting dynamics

50:31 How Sarah has changed to become less triggered

52:57 Wrapping up]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/samepage]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">437c8f0a-6b83-4eeb-9b43-392639d15ad6</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/437c8f0a-6b83-4eeb-9b43-392639d15ad6.mp3" length="59297031" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:46</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>184</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>184</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6f32c1d9-d8b8-43d4-aaad-4bcf5b187750/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>183: What I wish I’d known about parenting</title><itunes:title>183: What I wish I’d known about parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Recently, a number of parents in the Parenting Membership have posted in our community about challenges they've faced that they've navigated with grace that would have seemed insurmountable a couple of years ago.

&nbsp;

Many of these are parents of children who are already through the toddler stage, and the parents are starting to see the tools they've been using come alive in their interactions with their children.

&nbsp;

I thought: There's a podcast episode in that!

&nbsp;

I asked parents to submit short videos to me responding to the question: <strong>What do you wish you had known about parenting when your children were young?</strong>

&nbsp;

The resulting videos are collected, along with my commentary, in this week's episode.

&nbsp;

The insights that these parents offer are profound. I don't want to give too much away, but let's just say that you're not going to hear advice about a must-have crib or wipe warmer or toy.

&nbsp;

This is advice about:
<ul><li>How we see ourselves</li><li>What is our role as parents to guide our children without shaping them</li><li>How we can be whole, fulfilled people ourselves when there's so much pressure on us to be a 'good parent'</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you want to hear from parents who share your values and who have been in it for a while to know what's worth worrying about and what isn't, this episode is for you.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this episode:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">079: What is RIE?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">084: The Science of RIE</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">085: White privilege in schools</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anne/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 010: From anxious overwhelm to optimistic calm</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:40 Introduction of this episode’s topic

02:25 Jen admits that she didn't give much consideration to parenting before her daughter, Carys, was born

03:17 Jen shares how her journey into respectful parenting started through RIE

04:42 Parent Elizabeth reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

06:33 The impact of unhealed trauma is reflected in the way we parent our children

07:21 How the arrival of a child can shift the balance in a relationship leading to conflict, even if both partners entered into the partnership as equals

09:05 The dynamics of patriarchal relationships

10:09 Parent Jenny reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting during the time she wasn't prioritizing her own need for sleep

12:29 Discussion on how patriarchal power structures can play out within the context of parenting and caregiving

13:48 Parent Jenny's decision to prioritize rest shows that her need for rest is legitimate and important

14:19 Our child expresses their unmet need by hitting

15:33 Parent Anne reflects on her visions about parenting and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

18:45 What is “Opportunity hoarding” among White parents

20:48 Parent Iris reflects on her parenting experience

22:33 The pressure that parents put on themselves that creates enormous pressure

23:50 Parent Iris realizes that buying things to solve parenting problems is not always the answer

25:14 The privilege that some parents have in terms of how they are perceived by society and the consequences they may face for certain choices

26:11 Parent Anne shares what she wished she had known about her interactions with her mom, her husband, and her child

29:53 Parent Anne shares her struggles with setting boundaries

31:14 Parent Anne's journey to becoming a better parent and healing from her own trauma

33:58 Parent Laura shares her son's potty problems and what she wished she had known about potty learning

37:13 Parent Laura highlights the importance of trusting your intuition and problem-solving skills as a parent

38:20 Respectful and gentle parenting as a tool to build a good relationship with our child

39:09 Parent Lucinda reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

41:56 How understanding one's own needs is crucial for being able to have authentic relationships with family and community

43:24 Parent Melissa reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

45:51 The benefits of being in an ACTion group in the Parenting Membership

47:14 Parent Benson reflects on his experience and shares what he wished he had known about parenting

48:51 Parent Amanda reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

50:35 The importance of having a plan in parenting

52:03 Parent Elizabeth shares her realization that parenting is a continuous learning process

53:18 The importance of learning new skills to do things differently

55:34 Invitation to join the Parenting Membership]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Recently, a number of parents in the Parenting Membership have posted in our community about challenges they've faced that they've navigated with grace that would have seemed insurmountable a couple of years ago.

&nbsp;

Many of these are parents of children who are already through the toddler stage, and the parents are starting to see the tools they've been using come alive in their interactions with their children.

&nbsp;

I thought: There's a podcast episode in that!

&nbsp;

I asked parents to submit short videos to me responding to the question: <strong>What do you wish you had known about parenting when your children were young?</strong>

&nbsp;

The resulting videos are collected, along with my commentary, in this week's episode.

&nbsp;

The insights that these parents offer are profound. I don't want to give too much away, but let's just say that you're not going to hear advice about a must-have crib or wipe warmer or toy.

&nbsp;

This is advice about:
<ul><li>How we see ourselves</li><li>What is our role as parents to guide our children without shaping them</li><li>How we can be whole, fulfilled people ourselves when there's so much pressure on us to be a 'good parent'</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you want to hear from parents who share your values and who have been in it for a while to know what's worth worrying about and what isn't, this episode is for you.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this episode:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">079: What is RIE?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">084: The Science of RIE</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">085: White privilege in schools</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anne/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SYPM 010: From anxious overwhelm to optimistic calm</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:40 Introduction of this episode’s topic

02:25 Jen admits that she didn't give much consideration to parenting before her daughter, Carys, was born

03:17 Jen shares how her journey into respectful parenting started through RIE

04:42 Parent Elizabeth reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

06:33 The impact of unhealed trauma is reflected in the way we parent our children

07:21 How the arrival of a child can shift the balance in a relationship leading to conflict, even if both partners entered into the partnership as equals

09:05 The dynamics of patriarchal relationships

10:09 Parent Jenny reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting during the time she wasn't prioritizing her own need for sleep

12:29 Discussion on how patriarchal power structures can play out within the context of parenting and caregiving

13:48 Parent Jenny's decision to prioritize rest shows that her need for rest is legitimate and important

14:19 Our child expresses their unmet need by hitting

15:33 Parent Anne reflects on her visions about parenting and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

18:45 What is “Opportunity hoarding” among White parents

20:48 Parent Iris reflects on her parenting experience

22:33 The pressure that parents put on themselves that creates enormous pressure

23:50 Parent Iris realizes that buying things to solve parenting problems is not always the answer

25:14 The privilege that some parents have in terms of how they are perceived by society and the consequences they may face for certain choices

26:11 Parent Anne shares what she wished she had known about her interactions with her mom, her husband, and her child

29:53 Parent Anne shares her struggles with setting boundaries

31:14 Parent Anne's journey to becoming a better parent and healing from her own trauma

33:58 Parent Laura shares her son's potty problems and what she wished she had known about potty learning

37:13 Parent Laura highlights the importance of trusting your intuition and problem-solving skills as a parent

38:20 Respectful and gentle parenting as a tool to build a good relationship with our child

39:09 Parent Lucinda reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

41:56 How understanding one's own needs is crucial for being able to have authentic relationships with family and community

43:24 Parent Melissa reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

45:51 The benefits of being in an ACTion group in the Parenting Membership

47:14 Parent Benson reflects on his experience and shares what he wished he had known about parenting

48:51 Parent Amanda reflects on her experience and shares what she wished she had known about parenting

50:35 The importance of having a plan in parenting

52:03 Parent Elizabeth shares her realization that parenting is a continuous learning process

53:18 The importance of learning new skills to do things differently

55:34 Invitation to join the Parenting Membership]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/whatiwishidknown]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ffe5c459-20a7-4cbc-9aa0-0b3b4b00b061</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ffe5c459-20a7-4cbc-9aa0-0b3b4b00b061.mp3" length="52062793" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>183</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>183</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/4abb7d26-58d5-4e7a-8c56-9b5632bbe70c/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>182: How to get frustrating behavior to stop</title><itunes:title>182: How to get frustrating behavior to stop</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[All of our children go through phases when they do things we wish they wouldn’t do. Sometimes those things are relatively harmless but are pretty annoying, because they take extra time for us to clean up - things like eating (and making crumbs) in areas where we don’t want them to eat, shaving up a bar of soap, or piling up all the toys and refusing to help clean them up. Other times it’s not so harmless.  They might hit us.

&nbsp;

Or hit a (smaller) sibling, for what seems like no reason.

&nbsp;

We want to get that behavior to stop…but how?In this episode we’ll meet a parent who’s struggling with the annoying behaviors…and we’ll hear directly from two parents who have found ways to navigate resistance and hitting, and <em>these are no longer the problem they once were.</em>

&nbsp;

There is hope.  We don’t have to keep walking on eggshells waiting for the next explosion, or worried about what our child is doing as soon as our back is turned.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:50  Introduction for today’s episode

01:33  A member of Jen's community is seeking advice on how to manage her child’s frustrating behavior

04:23  How Jen resolved her issues with her husband's frustrating behavior during the COVID lockdown

06:16  The importance of understanding children's behavior and finding ways to meet their needs in a way that works for both the child and the parent

07:36  One of the reasons why children engage in activities that they know are forbidden: Lack of Impulse control

09:20  The importance of recognizing that our children are still learning how to regulate their emotions and impulses

11:17  How setting fewer limits can create a more positive and respectful relationship between parent and child

12:46  Parent Peju shares how she sets limits on her child

14:46  Understanding the underlying issues of a child's behavior is critical for effective parenting

15:54  The importance of recognizing the need for autonomy in children

17:50  Parent Fiona shares her struggles and how the community and the membership helped her resolve her problems

26:44  Parent Fiona’s non-cognitive shift as a result of seeing the issue from her son's perspective

28:19  Parent Stephanie, expresses how her connection with the ACTion group has been incredibly fulfilling for her.

30:01  The importance of curiosity when we feel triggered

33:39  The second reason why children engage in activities that they know are forbidden: They're doing it deliberately to get our attention

34:36  How our culture and capitalist system affect families and the way we parent

35:45 Why does our culture make it difficult to ask for help in parenting

36:43  Invitation to Setting Limits Masterclass]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[All of our children go through phases when they do things we wish they wouldn’t do. Sometimes those things are relatively harmless but are pretty annoying, because they take extra time for us to clean up - things like eating (and making crumbs) in areas where we don’t want them to eat, shaving up a bar of soap, or piling up all the toys and refusing to help clean them up. Other times it’s not so harmless.  They might hit us.

&nbsp;

Or hit a (smaller) sibling, for what seems like no reason.

&nbsp;

We want to get that behavior to stop…but how?In this episode we’ll meet a parent who’s struggling with the annoying behaviors…and we’ll hear directly from two parents who have found ways to navigate resistance and hitting, and <em>these are no longer the problem they once were.</em>

&nbsp;

There is hope.  We don’t have to keep walking on eggshells waiting for the next explosion, or worried about what our child is doing as soon as our back is turned.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:50  Introduction for today’s episode

01:33  A member of Jen's community is seeking advice on how to manage her child’s frustrating behavior

04:23  How Jen resolved her issues with her husband's frustrating behavior during the COVID lockdown

06:16  The importance of understanding children's behavior and finding ways to meet their needs in a way that works for both the child and the parent

07:36  One of the reasons why children engage in activities that they know are forbidden: Lack of Impulse control

09:20  The importance of recognizing that our children are still learning how to regulate their emotions and impulses

11:17  How setting fewer limits can create a more positive and respectful relationship between parent and child

12:46  Parent Peju shares how she sets limits on her child

14:46  Understanding the underlying issues of a child's behavior is critical for effective parenting

15:54  The importance of recognizing the need for autonomy in children

17:50  Parent Fiona shares her struggles and how the community and the membership helped her resolve her problems

26:44  Parent Fiona’s non-cognitive shift as a result of seeing the issue from her son's perspective

28:19  Parent Stephanie, expresses how her connection with the ACTion group has been incredibly fulfilling for her.

30:01  The importance of curiosity when we feel triggered

33:39  The second reason why children engage in activities that they know are forbidden: They're doing it deliberately to get our attention

34:36  How our culture and capitalist system affect families and the way we parent

35:45 Why does our culture make it difficult to ask for help in parenting

36:43  Invitation to Setting Limits Masterclass]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/frustratingbehavior]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">39a2a6c6-79a8-4ea1-a55e-5c4452626fa8</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/39a2a6c6-79a8-4ea1-a55e-5c4452626fa8.mp3" length="40369049" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>182</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>182</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/510ebc36-7dc7-49c5-88f2-9cb2bc03f595/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>181: Why ‘giving choices’ doesn’t work – and what to do instead</title><itunes:title>181: Why ‘giving choices’ doesn’t work – and what to do instead</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-357e505f-d04e-42f5-84bf-5398eb9f6632">Giving choices’ is a hot tool in the respectful parenting world.  In the scripts, it usually goes like this:</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1c3b7410-4cbc-4f5b-b990-c00999ac44e1">Child: “I want a snack!”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-8f0beafe-8d03-4ca6-9771-5a8d9ee1e56d">Parent: “OK!  Would you like an apple or a banana?”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-9707ba41-4b2d-4b2f-9a6d-e35e20e20494">Child: “A banana, please!”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-64ebfb1b-dc80-40fb-95bf-501993415f9d">And the parent hands over the banana.</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a8c0e665-3fa5-4847-9035-948935571c86"></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-3897e9e9-038e-4aae-bb76-9ffd7068b065">But when you actually try it in your own home, it usually looks more like this:</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c809f64b-bef2-4a49-abb6-6349d639281f"></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-318f1c2c-623b-43f4-a11c-eac303e5c980">Your child:: “I want a snack!”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-035eab3b-ab9f-4fc9-983a-d8b7966f4b1c">You: “OK! Would you like an apple or a banana?”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a9424937-ea2b-47f6-9ed9-4d254d753da8">Your child: “I want cookies!”</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c3744ae7-c85d-42f3-99ec-edb14546e3a8">WHY IS THAT?!  Why does it never ‘work’ the way it’s supposed to?  Why doesn’t our child follow the script?</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b9cddb2e-b9c5-4551-ab14-2a32c9b92b2b">There’s a simple and easy reason, and in this episode I break it down - and teach you the effective tool to use instead of giving choices.</div>
&nbsp;
<h2 class="ql-heading" data-block-id="block-5a8ccaa7-505c-42a0-83cc-6d6ca1bcaed5">Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-6efc1f05-a7dc-4266-94a8-dd22a1f873c0"><strong>Why do parenting experts recommend giving choices to kids?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d175887-8e83-44a9-ba96-bf785b733561">Giving choices is often recommended as a "magic bullet" for getting kids to cooperate. In theory, offering limited options should give kids a sense of control while still getting them to do what you want. But there's more to why this strategy often falls flat in real homes with real kids.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a517fa32-4a57-46e1-9b34-5c1d77bb82cc"><strong>What happens in real life when I try giving choices to my toddler?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-2db04b6d-92d8-4a6f-a0cc-8cfcc98a66bd">Scenarios in parenting books show a child happily picking a banana when offered "apple or banana." But in real life, this usually goes differently - your child wants a cookie instead! The episode reveals why this disconnect happens and how to address it.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-0cf54681-4ab2-4dce-bf20-41beb3003e6b"><strong>How does giving choices change as kids get older?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-afcfbd2e-f22b-4de4-8ade-5a467684bc00">With older kids, the choices we offer often become more complex and loaded with hidden expectations. For example, telling a child to "choose one physical activity" carries assumptions about what's best for them. The episode explores how these underlying messages affect your relationship with your child.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-ca52bf68-dcc2-4da4-bf3b-f621d4e816cf"><strong>Should I use choices to motivate my child to do homework?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-f64aa0c9-bde9-4d1c-990f-7f225d3a4701">When we say things like "Do homework now and you'll be able to get screen time sooner," we're not really addressing what's behind the procrastination. We look at fascinating research about what procrastination actually means and why this approach misses the mark.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-940257c2-0320-4bad-a9d1-c4c1ac691ad7"><strong>Why does my child never follow the script when I give them choices?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-de8f7204-deef-4e99-a9a4-c46b82bbcba9">Children have their own needs and desires that don't magically disappear when we present limited options. The podcast examines how children sense when choices aren't genuine and why they push back. It's actually a healthy part of their development!</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-ebfcdb71-6ce8-4863-bfa4-e3a03dd46c98"><strong>What's the connection between rewards and giving choices?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-3c24e52f-3b79-4d7e-a858-8f317aa7dc63">The episode makes an interesting link to research about rewards and their effects on children's motivation. There's a surprising similarity between giving choices and offering rewards that most parents never consider.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-0742c75f-66ae-481b-86df-054531314bcf"><strong>What can I do instead of giving choices that actually works?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b535799a-2e0a-488d-8fef-dc673b4fa63e">The episode introduces a framework that works for any interaction with your child. Whether it's offering clothes to a toddler or managing a teen's screen time. This approach respects both your needs and your child's, creating more authentic collaboration.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-76e35f10-eb5f-4bfc-8254-5f2e74a70f00"><strong>How do I know if the choices I'm offering are helpful or harmful?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-bfd6a51a-96b1-4b85-ad72-1f934ff20302">Some choices respect your child's autonomy, and some are just disguised attempts to control their behavior. The episode helps you spot the difference and adjust your approach accordingly.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c05e56c4-ea46-477c-a172-1daa6d55007e"><strong>Why do some children respond well to choices while others rebel?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-cf6aee0c-49d5-4d14-8b8e-27407fee0dbe">Every child has different needs, temperament, and ways of expressing themselves. The episode explains why understanding your unique child matters more than following any specific technique or parenting script.</div>
&nbsp;
<h2 class="ql-heading" data-block-id="block-458ebaa1-f5b1-40a6-b58e-4fddaf080e35">What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why the popular parenting strategy of giving choices often fails in real life, even though parenting experts recommend it!</li><li>The key difference between how choices work in demonstration videos versus what happens in your actual home with your kids</li><li>How presenting limited options can actually override your child's natural self-regulation abilities</li><li>The surprising connection between choices and motivation. Using choices to get homework done can backfire!</li><li>How choices change and get more complicated as children grow older. Learn what adjustments to make to your technique</li><li>The hidden agenda behind many of the choices we offer our children. Kids can sense when choices aren't genuine</li><li>A more effective alternative framework that works for every interaction with your child. F snack time to homework to curfews, we've got you covered!</li><li>The tool that replaces the scripts that don't work</li><li>How to move beyond power struggles to create more authentic collaboration with your child</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-7c63ea3b-77bd-4328-8b6f-c8774ed40c33">Do you have a child aged 1 – 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make?</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-ed59c76e-d860-45b3-9df3-dce325a01946">Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation – but don’t know how to get it?</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a2c3e934-721c-4cf8-8546-bed7dfef0df3">If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-aff71783-af23-4bb5-bad8-66bcdac785c4">Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we’ll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-0878277e-c1c3-4e90-9b5c-3fbdb848ae41">Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c11ef984-841a-4c69-89aa-93a27ace80e6">Click the banner to learn more.</div>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this episode:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">086: Playing to Win: How does playing sports impact children?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/procrastination" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">170: How to stop procrastinating with Dr. Fuschia Sirois. </a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">075: Should we go ahead and heap rewards on our kid? </a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:54 Many parenting coaches recommend giving children choices as a way to get them to cooperate.

02:43 The effectiveness of using choices for our children

05:47 Reasons why giving choices makes us lose the possibility of meeting both of our needs

08:01 How using...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-357e505f-d04e-42f5-84bf-5398eb9f6632">Giving choices’ is a hot tool in the respectful parenting world.  In the scripts, it usually goes like this:</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1c3b7410-4cbc-4f5b-b990-c00999ac44e1">Child: “I want a snack!”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-8f0beafe-8d03-4ca6-9771-5a8d9ee1e56d">Parent: “OK!  Would you like an apple or a banana?”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-9707ba41-4b2d-4b2f-9a6d-e35e20e20494">Child: “A banana, please!”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-64ebfb1b-dc80-40fb-95bf-501993415f9d">And the parent hands over the banana.</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a8c0e665-3fa5-4847-9035-948935571c86"></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-3897e9e9-038e-4aae-bb76-9ffd7068b065">But when you actually try it in your own home, it usually looks more like this:</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c809f64b-bef2-4a49-abb6-6349d639281f"></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-318f1c2c-623b-43f4-a11c-eac303e5c980">Your child:: “I want a snack!”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-035eab3b-ab9f-4fc9-983a-d8b7966f4b1c">You: “OK! Would you like an apple or a banana?”</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a9424937-ea2b-47f6-9ed9-4d254d753da8">Your child: “I want cookies!”</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c3744ae7-c85d-42f3-99ec-edb14546e3a8">WHY IS THAT?!  Why does it never ‘work’ the way it’s supposed to?  Why doesn’t our child follow the script?</div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b9cddb2e-b9c5-4551-ab14-2a32c9b92b2b">There’s a simple and easy reason, and in this episode I break it down - and teach you the effective tool to use instead of giving choices.</div>
&nbsp;
<h2 class="ql-heading" data-block-id="block-5a8ccaa7-505c-42a0-83cc-6d6ca1bcaed5">Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-6efc1f05-a7dc-4266-94a8-dd22a1f873c0"><strong>Why do parenting experts recommend giving choices to kids?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-1d175887-8e83-44a9-ba96-bf785b733561">Giving choices is often recommended as a "magic bullet" for getting kids to cooperate. In theory, offering limited options should give kids a sense of control while still getting them to do what you want. But there's more to why this strategy often falls flat in real homes with real kids.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a517fa32-4a57-46e1-9b34-5c1d77bb82cc"><strong>What happens in real life when I try giving choices to my toddler?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-2db04b6d-92d8-4a6f-a0cc-8cfcc98a66bd">Scenarios in parenting books show a child happily picking a banana when offered "apple or banana." But in real life, this usually goes differently - your child wants a cookie instead! The episode reveals why this disconnect happens and how to address it.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-0cf54681-4ab2-4dce-bf20-41beb3003e6b"><strong>How does giving choices change as kids get older?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-afcfbd2e-f22b-4de4-8ade-5a467684bc00">With older kids, the choices we offer often become more complex and loaded with hidden expectations. For example, telling a child to "choose one physical activity" carries assumptions about what's best for them. The episode explores how these underlying messages affect your relationship with your child.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-ca52bf68-dcc2-4da4-bf3b-f621d4e816cf"><strong>Should I use choices to motivate my child to do homework?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-f64aa0c9-bde9-4d1c-990f-7f225d3a4701">When we say things like "Do homework now and you'll be able to get screen time sooner," we're not really addressing what's behind the procrastination. We look at fascinating research about what procrastination actually means and why this approach misses the mark.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-940257c2-0320-4bad-a9d1-c4c1ac691ad7"><strong>Why does my child never follow the script when I give them choices?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-de8f7204-deef-4e99-a9a4-c46b82bbcba9">Children have their own needs and desires that don't magically disappear when we present limited options. The podcast examines how children sense when choices aren't genuine and why they push back. It's actually a healthy part of their development!</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-ebfcdb71-6ce8-4863-bfa4-e3a03dd46c98"><strong>What's the connection between rewards and giving choices?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-3c24e52f-3b79-4d7e-a858-8f317aa7dc63">The episode makes an interesting link to research about rewards and their effects on children's motivation. There's a surprising similarity between giving choices and offering rewards that most parents never consider.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-0742c75f-66ae-481b-86df-054531314bcf"><strong>What can I do instead of giving choices that actually works?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-b535799a-2e0a-488d-8fef-dc673b4fa63e">The episode introduces a framework that works for any interaction with your child. Whether it's offering clothes to a toddler or managing a teen's screen time. This approach respects both your needs and your child's, creating more authentic collaboration.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-76e35f10-eb5f-4bfc-8254-5f2e74a70f00"><strong>How do I know if the choices I'm offering are helpful or harmful?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-bfd6a51a-96b1-4b85-ad72-1f934ff20302">Some choices respect your child's autonomy, and some are just disguised attempts to control their behavior. The episode helps you spot the difference and adjust your approach accordingly.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c05e56c4-ea46-477c-a172-1daa6d55007e"><strong>Why do some children respond well to choices while others rebel?</strong></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-cf6aee0c-49d5-4d14-8b8e-27407fee0dbe">Every child has different needs, temperament, and ways of expressing themselves. The episode explains why understanding your unique child matters more than following any specific technique or parenting script.</div>
&nbsp;
<h2 class="ql-heading" data-block-id="block-458ebaa1-f5b1-40a6-b58e-4fddaf080e35">What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Why the popular parenting strategy of giving choices often fails in real life, even though parenting experts recommend it!</li><li>The key difference between how choices work in demonstration videos versus what happens in your actual home with your kids</li><li>How presenting limited options can actually override your child's natural self-regulation abilities</li><li>The surprising connection between choices and motivation. Using choices to get homework done can backfire!</li><li>How choices change and get more complicated as children grow older. Learn what adjustments to make to your technique</li><li>The hidden agenda behind many of the choices we offer our children. Kids can sense when choices aren't genuine</li><li>A more effective alternative framework that works for every interaction with your child. F snack time to homework to curfews, we've got you covered!</li><li>The tool that replaces the scripts that don't work</li><li>How to move beyond power struggles to create more authentic collaboration with your child</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-7c63ea3b-77bd-4328-8b6f-c8774ed40c33">Do you have a child aged 1 – 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make?</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-ed59c76e-d860-45b3-9df3-dce325a01946">Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation – but don’t know how to get it?</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-a2c3e934-721c-4cf8-8546-bed7dfef0df3">If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-aff71783-af23-4bb5-bad8-66bcdac785c4">Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we’ll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-0878277e-c1c3-4e90-9b5c-3fbdb848ae41">Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.</div>
&nbsp;
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-c11ef984-841a-4c69-89aa-93a27ace80e6">Click the banner to learn more.</div>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this episode:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">086: Playing to Win: How does playing sports impact children?</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/procrastination" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">170: How to stop procrastinating with Dr. Fuschia Sirois. </a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">075: Should we go ahead and heap rewards on our kid? </a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:54 Many parenting coaches recommend giving children choices as a way to get them to cooperate.

02:43 The effectiveness of using choices for our children

05:47 Reasons why giving choices makes us lose the possibility of meeting both of our needs

08:01 How using choices motivates children to do the things they wouldn’t want to do

09:00 Why choices teach children consequences

09:40 Benefits of using true empathy

10:26 Giving choices to negotiate how children will do a chore/task

11:55 The use of rewards to motivate children fails to consider both the child’s and parent’s needs, leading to resentment and missed opportunities for making real choices

13:28 Giving choices as a win-win situation

14:05 The choices parents give often do not meet the child’s needs

17:08 Distinguishing between needs and strategies

19:01 The importance of meeting both our and our children’s needs

20:34 Ben shares his struggles before joining the Setting Limits workshop

22:55 Ben shares how effective the tools he learned in the Setting Limits workshop are

26:29 Deon shares her experience after joining the Setting Limits workshop

27:01 An open invitation to join the Setting Loving (&amp;Effective!) Limits masterclass]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/givingchoices]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1f9b2395-1804-41f3-8e1b-a592316b6ae4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/1f9b2395-1804-41f3-8e1b-a592316b6ae4.mp3" length="28825801" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>181</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>181</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a24b9857-3b02-4cbe-bad1-a5f41b2c275f/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>180: How to get your children to stop fighting</title><itunes:title>180: How to get your children to stop fighting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

If there’s one topic that never fails to rile parents up, it’s sibling fighting. Why does it affect us so much?  (There are two main reasons.) Why is this happening, and what can we do about it?  There are two main reasons, and one strategy to use with each reason. That’s it! There are not an infinite number of reasons why this is happening, or an infinite number of things to try to get it to stop. This episode will help you to identify the cause of the fighting, and how to make it stop. Sound too good to be true?  It isn’t.  Check out what parents have said about the workshop and sign up:

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go way beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:07 Challenges of having multiple children

03:39 How parents' reactions to their children's fighting can be influenced by their own past experiences with their siblings.

07:00 The need to make pause before reacting to a child’s behavior

07:52 Understanding the causes of siblings fight

08:34 A fictitious story about a sibling fight to show two possible scenarios that may result from two opposing reactions from a parent

10:40 Scenario 1: Parent explodes and blames one child as aggressor during sibling fight

12:10Scenario 2: Parent makes a pause, remains calm, does not blame anyone

15:00 Importance of having an empathetic discussion with your children

20:45 The struggles of Adrianna and Tim began when a new child was added to the family.

24:46 How Parenting Membership help Adrianna and Tim

25:54 Adrianna shares how bodhi shows his empathy towards her sister

27:35 How adding a sibling rocks an older child’s world

28:42 What are some ways to support our older child in managing challenging emotions so that they continue to feel valued and loved by us.

31:24 Sibling fight as a child’s unskillful strategy to getting their needs met

33:55 Figuring out the commonly unmet needs of our children

35:05 The answer to a child’s unmet needs:  Spend 1:1 time with them

36:25 The importance of letting the child direct your ‘special time’

37:48 Why parents shouldn’t treat all their children in the same way

39:16 Adrianna’s reflections]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

If there’s one topic that never fails to rile parents up, it’s sibling fighting. Why does it affect us so much?  (There are two main reasons.) Why is this happening, and what can we do about it?  There are two main reasons, and one strategy to use with each reason. That’s it! There are not an infinite number of reasons why this is happening, or an infinite number of things to try to get it to stop. This episode will help you to identify the cause of the fighting, and how to make it stop. Sound too good to be true?  It isn’t.  Check out what parents have said about the workshop and sign up:

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go way beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:07 Challenges of having multiple children

03:39 How parents' reactions to their children's fighting can be influenced by their own past experiences with their siblings.

07:00 The need to make pause before reacting to a child’s behavior

07:52 Understanding the causes of siblings fight

08:34 A fictitious story about a sibling fight to show two possible scenarios that may result from two opposing reactions from a parent

10:40 Scenario 1: Parent explodes and blames one child as aggressor during sibling fight

12:10Scenario 2: Parent makes a pause, remains calm, does not blame anyone

15:00 Importance of having an empathetic discussion with your children

20:45 The struggles of Adrianna and Tim began when a new child was added to the family.

24:46 How Parenting Membership help Adrianna and Tim

25:54 Adrianna shares how bodhi shows his empathy towards her sister

27:35 How adding a sibling rocks an older child’s world

28:42 What are some ways to support our older child in managing challenging emotions so that they continue to feel valued and loved by us.

31:24 Sibling fight as a child’s unskillful strategy to getting their needs met

33:55 Figuring out the commonly unmet needs of our children

35:05 The answer to a child’s unmet needs:  Spend 1:1 time with them

36:25 The importance of letting the child direct your ‘special time’

37:48 Why parents shouldn’t treat all their children in the same way

39:16 Adrianna’s reflections]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/stopfighting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">65ce9cad-e4e6-4888-9309-9dc16921589c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2023 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/65ce9cad-e4e6-4888-9309-9dc16921589c.mp3" length="42126793" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>180</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>180</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5c3a5371-6c75-4460-8b28-d9c713e385f3/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Q&amp;A #2: How do we help children who are ‘falling behind’ without using milestones?</title><itunes:title>Q&amp;A #2: How do we help children who are ‘falling behind’ without using milestones?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This Q&amp;A episode comes from a special education preschool teacher had listened to the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yourxyearoldchild" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Why We Shouldn’t Read The Your X-Year-Old Child books anymore</a>, and wondered:

&nbsp;

My first thought was: There’s <em>no way</em> I’m touching that question, because I don’t have the relevant qualifications and I’ll get torn apart.I’ve been in some groups for Autistic parents for several months now, and one thing that’s abundantly clear is that qualified professionals use ‘treatments’ for Autistic children that these now-grown up people describe as <em>abuse </em>(and believe me; I don’t use that word lightly.  It’s a direct quote from many different people).So if the qualified professionals are using methods that the people who have experienced them call abusive, I think I have a responsibility to at least offer thoughts for parents to consider as they’re navigating the process of diagnosis and treatment.Too often, parents are pushed to take their child directly from diagnosis to treatment, as if we’re missing some critical window of opportunity.  But what if <em>no treatment</em> was sometimes the best option?I don’t consider this episode to be The Final Word on What Parents Should Do.  It’s more of a conversation starter…a way to raise some ideas that parents might not hear from the doctors who are pushing them toward treatment as fast as possible.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:20 Parent Jessie’s question about her child

03:13 Listener Teacher’s question about intervention and therapy among children with Autism

05:42 The purpose why Autism support groups exist

06:25 The negative impacts of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) Therapy to children with Autism

07:32 The rush to get a child into therapy

08:33 The Medical Model of Therapy

09:27 Therapy and Capitalism

10:01 Consider joining communities for support before getting into therapy

12:09 First point to consider before getting a child into therapy:  We are all neurologically different

13:05 Second point to consider before getting a child into therapy:  The aim of therapy

16:38 Third point to consider before getting a child into therapy:  The benefit of therapy to the child

20:24 The need for a child’s active (verbal/nonverbal) consent to therapy

24:44 The impact of family environment on a child in therapy

26:56 Finding the appropriate therapy for very young children]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This Q&amp;A episode comes from a special education preschool teacher had listened to the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/yourxyearoldchild" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Why We Shouldn’t Read The Your X-Year-Old Child books anymore</a>, and wondered:

&nbsp;

My first thought was: There’s <em>no way</em> I’m touching that question, because I don’t have the relevant qualifications and I’ll get torn apart.I’ve been in some groups for Autistic parents for several months now, and one thing that’s abundantly clear is that qualified professionals use ‘treatments’ for Autistic children that these now-grown up people describe as <em>abuse </em>(and believe me; I don’t use that word lightly.  It’s a direct quote from many different people).So if the qualified professionals are using methods that the people who have experienced them call abusive, I think I have a responsibility to at least offer thoughts for parents to consider as they’re navigating the process of diagnosis and treatment.Too often, parents are pushed to take their child directly from diagnosis to treatment, as if we’re missing some critical window of opportunity.  But what if <em>no treatment</em> was sometimes the best option?I don’t consider this episode to be The Final Word on What Parents Should Do.  It’s more of a conversation starter…a way to raise some ideas that parents might not hear from the doctors who are pushing them toward treatment as fast as possible.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:20 Parent Jessie’s question about her child

03:13 Listener Teacher’s question about intervention and therapy among children with Autism

05:42 The purpose why Autism support groups exist

06:25 The negative impacts of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) Therapy to children with Autism

07:32 The rush to get a child into therapy

08:33 The Medical Model of Therapy

09:27 Therapy and Capitalism

10:01 Consider joining communities for support before getting into therapy

12:09 First point to consider before getting a child into therapy:  We are all neurologically different

13:05 Second point to consider before getting a child into therapy:  The aim of therapy

16:38 Third point to consider before getting a child into therapy:  The benefit of therapy to the child

20:24 The need for a child’s active (verbal/nonverbal) consent to therapy

24:44 The impact of family environment on a child in therapy

26:56 Finding the appropriate therapy for very young children]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/fallingbehind]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">29411922-91e1-4ebe-b113-cdf3f6fb347f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7ada3354-117c-42e8-bf84-a85afdb92b0b/How-to-help-children-who-are-falling-behind-edited.mp3" length="31060137" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/e02841c1-a798-4b4e-a56a-6cea5f38ef12/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu</title><itunes:title>179: I Never Thought of It That Way with Mónica Guzmán and Lulu</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[If you're anything like me, navigating conflict comes pretty easily to you. You always know what to say to make your point in a tone that's firm but still inviting, right? You listen for the purpose of understanding the other person and don't just use the time while the other person is speaking to form your own rebuttal? You never get overwhelmed, and maintain your own sense of boundaries even when the <span style="text-decoration: line-through">discussion</span> argument gets really heated?

&nbsp;

(Yeah, me either, really...)

&nbsp;

A few months ago I put out a request for folks who disagree with me on a social issue to let me know if they would be willing to come and discuss the topic with me on a podcast episode.

&nbsp;

I had just read Mónica Guzmán's book I Never Thought Of It That way, which concludes with an invitation to practice the tools she teaches about navigating conflict more effectively, and I thought: "Well, let's do it!" Mónica agreed to moderate a conversation and I put out a call for folks to participate...

&nbsp;

...and let's just say that the silence was deafening.

&nbsp;

(And I was kind of disappointed. I mean, you all are a pretty opinionated bunch, right? And I KNOW some of you disagree with me about some things...)

&nbsp;

The one person who responded was parent Lulu, who wrote:

"I do admit that I disagree with your recent focus on White privilege and how it seems to make its way into almost every episode. Yes, it’s something to be aware of, but I don’t want that awareness to drive many of my and my kids' decisions and conversations."

&nbsp;

Of course my first thought was "Well, you're wrong," but when I responded: "Tell me more!" she added that she sees topics like school, behavior, nutrition, empathy, and other factors as all more important than discussing White privilege on a regular basis.

&nbsp;

"Super," I said. "Let's talk."

&nbsp;

So we each prepared for the conversation using a framework described in Mónica's book, and as we were talking Mónica pointed out what we were doing well (and shockingly few things we weren't doing well) to build our mutual understanding.

&nbsp;

I think it's safe to say we both got more out of it than we had anticipated. We recorded it several weeks ago and I also recorded a postscript with some thoughts on the conversation as well as how we might apply the ideas we used in less structured situations we find ourselves in on a regular basis.

&nbsp;

This episode will help you to understand people who are important to you even when they have ideas that are very different from yours, and find common ground so you can work, play, and be together.

&nbsp;

Mónica Guzmán's book <a href="https://amzn.to/3Sn5wMV">I Never Thought Of It That Way</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:01</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Introducing today’s guest</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:39</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">This episode demonstrates using Monica's tools for productive conversations with differing views.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:38</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The 'conversation dial, EPACT, helps assess and enhance productive discussions by considering factors like full communication, equal platform footing, focused attention, contained conversations, and timing.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:36</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The conversation between Jen and Lulu is set to begin with a commitment to trust and exploring ideas in an open environment. They set the stage by discussing their objectives. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:51</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">They engage in an eight-minute back-and-forth discussion, where they reflect on what they've learned about each other's perspectives.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:43</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">They delve into the complexities of their roles in addressing interconnected issues like White supremacy, ecology, and consumerism, recognizing areas of uncertainty while aiming for a deeper understanding of each other's viewpoints.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">44:09</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Monica praised Jen and Lulu for their open and respectful dialogue, noting their effective use of clarifying questions and their willingness to discuss sensitive issues. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">46:30</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Lulu and Jen expressed their appreciation for the enlightening conversation, noting the importance of respect and curiosity when discussing challenging topics. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">52:42</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Wrapping up the discussion</span>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[If you're anything like me, navigating conflict comes pretty easily to you. You always know what to say to make your point in a tone that's firm but still inviting, right? You listen for the purpose of understanding the other person and don't just use the time while the other person is speaking to form your own rebuttal? You never get overwhelmed, and maintain your own sense of boundaries even when the <span style="text-decoration: line-through">discussion</span> argument gets really heated?

&nbsp;

(Yeah, me either, really...)

&nbsp;

A few months ago I put out a request for folks who disagree with me on a social issue to let me know if they would be willing to come and discuss the topic with me on a podcast episode.

&nbsp;

I had just read Mónica Guzmán's book I Never Thought Of It That way, which concludes with an invitation to practice the tools she teaches about navigating conflict more effectively, and I thought: "Well, let's do it!" Mónica agreed to moderate a conversation and I put out a call for folks to participate...

&nbsp;

...and let's just say that the silence was deafening.

&nbsp;

(And I was kind of disappointed. I mean, you all are a pretty opinionated bunch, right? And I KNOW some of you disagree with me about some things...)

&nbsp;

The one person who responded was parent Lulu, who wrote:

"I do admit that I disagree with your recent focus on White privilege and how it seems to make its way into almost every episode. Yes, it’s something to be aware of, but I don’t want that awareness to drive many of my and my kids' decisions and conversations."

&nbsp;

Of course my first thought was "Well, you're wrong," but when I responded: "Tell me more!" she added that she sees topics like school, behavior, nutrition, empathy, and other factors as all more important than discussing White privilege on a regular basis.

&nbsp;

"Super," I said. "Let's talk."

&nbsp;

So we each prepared for the conversation using a framework described in Mónica's book, and as we were talking Mónica pointed out what we were doing well (and shockingly few things we weren't doing well) to build our mutual understanding.

&nbsp;

I think it's safe to say we both got more out of it than we had anticipated. We recorded it several weeks ago and I also recorded a postscript with some thoughts on the conversation as well as how we might apply the ideas we used in less structured situations we find ourselves in on a regular basis.

&nbsp;

This episode will help you to understand people who are important to you even when they have ideas that are very different from yours, and find common ground so you can work, play, and be together.

&nbsp;

Mónica Guzmán's book <a href="https://amzn.to/3Sn5wMV">I Never Thought Of It That Way</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:01</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Introducing today’s guest</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:39</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">This episode demonstrates using Monica's tools for productive conversations with differing views.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:38</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The 'conversation dial, EPACT, helps assess and enhance productive discussions by considering factors like full communication, equal platform footing, focused attention, contained conversations, and timing.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:36</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The conversation between Jen and Lulu is set to begin with a commitment to trust and exploring ideas in an open environment. They set the stage by discussing their objectives. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:51</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">They engage in an eight-minute back-and-forth discussion, where they reflect on what they've learned about each other's perspectives.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:43</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">They delve into the complexities of their roles in addressing interconnected issues like White supremacy, ecology, and consumerism, recognizing areas of uncertainty while aiming for a deeper understanding of each other's viewpoints.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">44:09</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Monica praised Jen and Lulu for their open and respectful dialogue, noting their effective use of clarifying questions and their willingness to discuss sensitive issues. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">46:30</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Lulu and Jen expressed their appreciation for the enlightening conversation, noting the importance of respect and curiosity when discussing challenging topics. </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">52:42</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Wrapping up the discussion</span>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/ineverthoughtofitthatway]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7edf7044-9f02-4f8a-8bb1-910252a222f6</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7f806ea9-7803-49fa-a5e1-21b976bc2532/I-Never-Thought-Of-It-That-Way-v2.mp3" length="64171700" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:06:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>179</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>179</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/4592b2e0-15a2-466a-a525-37a29501f23b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>178: How to heal your inner critic</title><itunes:title>178: How to heal your inner critic</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you ever have that voice in your head that tells you things like: "You shouldn't have laid in bed for so long; you should have got up earlier to get ready for the day"?

&nbsp;

Or how about: "You shouldn't let your kids watch TV; good mothers don't let their kids watch TV"?

&nbsp;

Or: "If I was any good at this parenting thing, my kids wouldn't fight with each other"?

&nbsp;

If you do, have you noticed that sometimes that voice comes out when you talk to your children, in that exasperated, shaming voice: "Why would you do that?"

&nbsp;

If you have, you're not alone.

&nbsp;

My guest for this episode is parent Katie, who is a therapist with a Master's in Counseling.

&nbsp;

She's specifically trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which is a method of changing people's behavior - essentially by teaching them to ignore their body's signals of fear and anxiety.

&nbsp;

Despite knowing everything there is to know about how to change a person's behavior, Katie still struggled as she transitioned from two to three children, and was suddenly dealing with massive sleep deprivation, the oldest child biting the middle child, and a whole lot of yelling (both from the children and from her).

&nbsp;

She got to the point where she realized: "I can't keep doing this. We can't keep functioning in this way. And I wish I didn't react so strongly but I don't know what else to do."

&nbsp;

Katie shares some massive transitions she's made over the last year, including:
<ul><li>Realizing her body's surprising signal that she's feeling overwhelmed in a situation</li><li>Her transition from constantly snapping at her children to being patient and THEN snapping to being able to change course even in the middle of a difficult interaction</li><li>Ways that she gets frustration out before it erupts over her children (which models healthy coping habits for them, too!)</li><li>A non-cognitive shift (based in her body, not just in her brain)around seeing the systems we live in as an important reason why things are so hard for parents, which means it isn't her fault things are hard</li><li>How seeing her needs in a new way helped her to heal her inner critic - which is still there, but has much less power over her now than it used to</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Our inner critics don't appear out of nowhere; they're formed out of the voices of our parents and other people who are important to us. Katie told me after we turned off the recording that her parents - who were good, loving parents - wanted to make Katie's life as easy as possible - which often meant presenting a sanitized view of her hair, her clothing, and her sexuality to the outside world.

&nbsp;

If you do what's expected, other people won't make your life harder - but those 'criticisms' have now become her own internalized voice, making it harder for her to show up as her real, authentic self.

&nbsp;

Her oldest son has food allergies but Katie feels guilty asking for accommodations for him that other people might think are 'too much.'  Standing up for her son's needs has taught her how to stand up for her own needs - now she knows she wants to be part of creating a society that sees and meets everyone's needs, rather than forcing the outliers to fit into a traditional mold.

&nbsp;

This episode is a must-listen for parents who are having a hard time and who think it's their fault.

&nbsp;

It isn't your fault.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/mutual%20aid" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Healing and Helping with Mutual Aid</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

04:35 What parenting was like for parent Katie in her early days.

16:25 The reason why she enrolled for Taming Your Triggers a second time.

21:10 The window of tolerance.

27:39 How the nonviolent communication impacted her inner critic.

45:43 Taming Your Triggers and Changing Behavior.

52:41 Navigating vulnerability and community.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you ever have that voice in your head that tells you things like: "You shouldn't have laid in bed for so long; you should have got up earlier to get ready for the day"?

&nbsp;

Or how about: "You shouldn't let your kids watch TV; good mothers don't let their kids watch TV"?

&nbsp;

Or: "If I was any good at this parenting thing, my kids wouldn't fight with each other"?

&nbsp;

If you do, have you noticed that sometimes that voice comes out when you talk to your children, in that exasperated, shaming voice: "Why would you do that?"

&nbsp;

If you have, you're not alone.

&nbsp;

My guest for this episode is parent Katie, who is a therapist with a Master's in Counseling.

&nbsp;

She's specifically trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which is a method of changing people's behavior - essentially by teaching them to ignore their body's signals of fear and anxiety.

&nbsp;

Despite knowing everything there is to know about how to change a person's behavior, Katie still struggled as she transitioned from two to three children, and was suddenly dealing with massive sleep deprivation, the oldest child biting the middle child, and a whole lot of yelling (both from the children and from her).

&nbsp;

She got to the point where she realized: "I can't keep doing this. We can't keep functioning in this way. And I wish I didn't react so strongly but I don't know what else to do."

&nbsp;

Katie shares some massive transitions she's made over the last year, including:
<ul><li>Realizing her body's surprising signal that she's feeling overwhelmed in a situation</li><li>Her transition from constantly snapping at her children to being patient and THEN snapping to being able to change course even in the middle of a difficult interaction</li><li>Ways that she gets frustration out before it erupts over her children (which models healthy coping habits for them, too!)</li><li>A non-cognitive shift (based in her body, not just in her brain)around seeing the systems we live in as an important reason why things are so hard for parents, which means it isn't her fault things are hard</li><li>How seeing her needs in a new way helped her to heal her inner critic - which is still there, but has much less power over her now than it used to</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Our inner critics don't appear out of nowhere; they're formed out of the voices of our parents and other people who are important to us. Katie told me after we turned off the recording that her parents - who were good, loving parents - wanted to make Katie's life as easy as possible - which often meant presenting a sanitized view of her hair, her clothing, and her sexuality to the outside world.

&nbsp;

If you do what's expected, other people won't make your life harder - but those 'criticisms' have now become her own internalized voice, making it harder for her to show up as her real, authentic self.

&nbsp;

Her oldest son has food allergies but Katie feels guilty asking for accommodations for him that other people might think are 'too much.'  Standing up for her son's needs has taught her how to stand up for her own needs - now she knows she wants to be part of creating a society that sees and meets everyone's needs, rather than forcing the outliers to fit into a traditional mold.

&nbsp;

This episode is a must-listen for parents who are having a hard time and who think it's their fault.

&nbsp;

It isn't your fault.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/mutual%20aid" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Healing and Helping with Mutual Aid</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

04:35 What parenting was like for parent Katie in her early days.

16:25 The reason why she enrolled for Taming Your Triggers a second time.

21:10 The window of tolerance.

27:39 How the nonviolent communication impacted her inner critic.

45:43 Taming Your Triggers and Changing Behavior.

52:41 Navigating vulnerability and community.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/innercritic]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e8447700-de37-4a9f-a79b-9329c088583c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e8447700-de37-4a9f-a79b-9329c088583c.mp3" length="55988809" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>178</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>178</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5fdbd9e5-6e3b-4e78-9486-aae979db289e/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>177: Three ways to be a good parent, even on bad days</title><itunes:title>177: Three ways to be a good parent, even on bad days</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this episode I take a look at the main reasons why we have these hard days - from our child's temperament to our temperament to attachment relationships, trauma, and neurodivergences - all of these intersect especially tightly on the hard days.

&nbsp;

Then we look at three ways to get through these days with a little more grace - and maybe even without having to apologize to your child at the end of it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:44 It can be difficult when we have a temperament mismatch

03:25 But having the same temperament can also be difficult

04:36 Children will often take on a role in the family

05:29 Our attachment style impacts how we perceive other people’s behavior

10:40 Making a non-cognitive shift so you see difficult days differently

21:05 We don’t always have to fix everything in the moment

25:59 The challenges to meeting your needs more often

29:43 The part we often forget is that your child has needs as well]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode I take a look at the main reasons why we have these hard days - from our child's temperament to our temperament to attachment relationships, trauma, and neurodivergences - all of these intersect especially tightly on the hard days.

&nbsp;

Then we look at three ways to get through these days with a little more grace - and maybe even without having to apologize to your child at the end of it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:44 It can be difficult when we have a temperament mismatch

03:25 But having the same temperament can also be difficult

04:36 Children will often take on a role in the family

05:29 Our attachment style impacts how we perceive other people’s behavior

10:40 Making a non-cognitive shift so you see difficult days differently

21:05 We don’t always have to fix everything in the moment

25:59 The challenges to meeting your needs more often

29:43 The part we often forget is that your child has needs as well]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/baddays]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">fca7389d-dd59-4c84-8bf3-365d5a241f44</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/fca7389d-dd59-4c84-8bf3-365d5a241f44.mp3" length="38094025" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>177</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>177</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a23e1026-46fc-481f-8a48-fd2245904ab9/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>176: How to begin healing shame with A.J. Bond</title><itunes:title>176: How to begin healing shame with A.J. Bond</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you ever feel ashamed? Many people find it among their most physical emotions, resulting in a big knot of tension or a hot flush that washes over their whole body. But what is shame, and where does it come from?

&nbsp;

I recently read a LOT of academic papers and books, and also popular books about shame, and the most helpful resource I found among all of the ones I read was written by my guest today, A.J. Bond. A.J. is a wrier and a filmmaker who experienced a shame-related breakthrough in his own therapy several years ago, and who subsequently became certified as a Healing Shame Practitioner through the Center for Healing Shame in Berkeley.

&nbsp;

We discuss, among other things:
<ul><li>The origins of shame all the way back in our childhoods</li><li>What kinds of shame really are helpful in our lives</li><li>How to heal from toxic shame so we don't pass it on to our own children</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>AJ's book (Affiliate link)</h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3V9PSV5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Discomfortable: What is shame and how can we break its hold?</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:05 How AJ Bond get started on understanding what shame is

05:12 What is shame?

07:15 Different versions of shame for different people

08:10 Shame is like an alarm system

10:39 The breaking of the interpersonal bridge

15:48 What does good repair look like

18:45 The rupture and repair make the relationship stronger

25:41 The cultural evolution aspect and how we evolved to be around the same pretty small group of people for a lot of the time

26:58 Shame will often feel like it’s connected to survival

31:09 Are there common reactions that people have when they're feeling when they're experiencing shame?

34:18 The concept of healthy shame

37:19 The 123 Punch of Shame

47:03 How our unconscious values show up in the context of our conscious and chosen values

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Arnink, C.L. (2020). A quantitative evaluation of Shame Resilience Theory. Inquiries Journal 12(11), 1-11.

<hr />

Bond, A.J. (2022). Discomfortable: What is shame and how can we break its hold? Berkeley: North Atlantic.

<hr />

Brown, B. (2010). The gifts of imperfection: Let go of who you think you’re supposed to be and embrace who you are. Center City: Hazeldon.

<hr />

Brown, B. (2006). Shame resilience theory: A grounded theory study on women and shame. Families in Society: The Journal of Contemporary Social Services. 87(1), 43-52.

<hr />

Brown, B. (1999). Searching for a theory: The journey from explanation to revolution. Families in Society 80(4), 323-429.

<hr />

Cooley, C.H. (1902). Human nature and the social order. New York: Scribner’s.

<hr />

Deonna, J.A., Rodogno, R., &amp; Teroni, F. (2012). In defense of shame: The faces of an emotion. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

DeParle, J. (2022, November 25). The expanded child tax credit is gone. The battle over it remains. The New York Times. Retrieved from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/politics/child-tax-credit.html

<hr />

Elias, N. (1978). The civilizing process (Volume 1). New York: Pantheon.

<hr />

Elison, J., Garofalo, C., &amp; Velotti, P. (2014). Shame and aggression: Theoretical considerations. Aggression and Violent Behavior 19, 447-453.

<hr />

Garland-Thompson, R. (2005). Feminist disability studies. Signs: Journal of women in Culture and Society 30(2), 1557-1587.

<hr />

Greenwald, D.F., &amp; Harder, D.W. (1998). Domains of shame: Evolutionary, cultural, and psychotherapeutic aspects. In P. Gilbert &amp; B. Andrews (Eds.), Shame: Interpersonal behavior, psychopathology, and culture (p.225-245). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Hauser, C. T. (2016). Shame and resilience among mental health trainees: A scale construction study (Unpublished doctoral dissertation). University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

<hr />

Jacquet, J. (2015). Is shame necessary? New uses for an old tool. New York: Pantheon.

<hr />

Jóhannsdóttir, Á. (2019). Body hair and its entaglement: Shame, choice and resistance in body hair practices among young Icelandic people. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 195-213.

<hr />

Kendi, I.X. (2019). How to be an anti-racist. New York: One World.

<hr />

Lee, R.G. (1996). Shame and the Gestalt Model. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.3-58). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Lichtenberg, P. (1996). Shame and the making of a social class system. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.269-295). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Mate, G. (2019). Scattered minds: The origins and healing of Attention Deficit Disorder. New York: Random House.

<hr />

Mendible, M. (2016). American shame and the boundaries of belonging. In M. Mendible (Ed.), American Shame (p.1-23). Bloomington: Indiana University Press.

<hr />

Morris, C. &amp; Munt, S.R. (2018). Classed formations of shame in White, British single mothers. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 231-249.

<hr />

Morrison, A.P. (1996). The culture of shame. New York: Ballantine.

<hr />

Parsons, E.M. (2020). The development and evaluation of a brief shame resilience intervention: Proof of concept in Social Anxiety Disorder. Unpublished doctoral thesis, Miami University. Retrieved from: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=miami1595594451509091&amp;disposition=inline

<hr />

Pescosolido, B.A., &amp; Martin, J.K. (2015). The stigma complex. Annual Review of Sociology 41, 87-116.

<hr />

Probyn, E. (2019). Productive faces of shame: An interview with Elspeth Probyn. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 322-334.

<hr />

O’Halloran, K. (2015). Theory, politics, and community: Ethical dilemmas in Sydney and Melbourne queer activist collectives. Unpublished doctoral dissertation. Sydney: The University of Sydney. Retrieved from: https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/13958/OHalloran_KT_thesis.pdf?sequence=2

<hr />

Richards, R., (2019). Shame, silence, and resistance: How my narratives of academia and kidney disease entwine. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 269-285.

<hr />

Tagney, J.P., &amp; Dearing, R.L. (2002). Shame and guilt. New York: The Guilford Press.

<hr />

Scheff, T.J. (2003). Shame in self and society. Symbolic Interaction 26(2), 239-262.

<hr />

Singer, A. (1996). Homosexuality and shame; Clinical meditations on the cultural violation of self. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.123-142). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Stearns, P.N. (2017). Shame: A brief history. Urbana: The University of Illinios Press.

<hr />

von Raumer, Wilhelm. 1857. The Education of Girls. (Cited in Elias 1978.)

<hr />

Wheeler, G., &amp; Jones, D.E. (1996). Finding our sons: A male-male gestalt. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.61-99). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you ever feel ashamed? Many people find it among their most physical emotions, resulting in a big knot of tension or a hot flush that washes over their whole body. But what is shame, and where does it come from?

&nbsp;

I recently read a LOT of academic papers and books, and also popular books about shame, and the most helpful resource I found among all of the ones I read was written by my guest today, A.J. Bond. A.J. is a wrier and a filmmaker who experienced a shame-related breakthrough in his own therapy several years ago, and who subsequently became certified as a Healing Shame Practitioner through the Center for Healing Shame in Berkeley.

&nbsp;

We discuss, among other things:
<ul><li>The origins of shame all the way back in our childhoods</li><li>What kinds of shame really are helpful in our lives</li><li>How to heal from toxic shame so we don't pass it on to our own children</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>AJ's book (Affiliate link)</h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3V9PSV5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Discomfortable: What is shame and how can we break its hold?</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:05 How AJ Bond get started on understanding what shame is

05:12 What is shame?

07:15 Different versions of shame for different people

08:10 Shame is like an alarm system

10:39 The breaking of the interpersonal bridge

15:48 What does good repair look like

18:45 The rupture and repair make the relationship stronger

25:41 The cultural evolution aspect and how we evolved to be around the same pretty small group of people for a lot of the time

26:58 Shame will often feel like it’s connected to survival

31:09 Are there common reactions that people have when they're feeling when they're experiencing shame?

34:18 The concept of healthy shame

37:19 The 123 Punch of Shame

47:03 How our unconscious values show up in the context of our conscious and chosen values

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Arnink, C.L. (2020). A quantitative evaluation of Shame Resilience Theory. Inquiries Journal 12(11), 1-11.

<hr />

Bond, A.J. (2022). Discomfortable: What is shame and how can we break its hold? Berkeley: North Atlantic.

<hr />

Brown, B. (2010). The gifts of imperfection: Let go of who you think you’re supposed to be and embrace who you are. Center City: Hazeldon.

<hr />

Brown, B. (2006). Shame resilience theory: A grounded theory study on women and shame. Families in Society: The Journal of Contemporary Social Services. 87(1), 43-52.

<hr />

Brown, B. (1999). Searching for a theory: The journey from explanation to revolution. Families in Society 80(4), 323-429.

<hr />

Cooley, C.H. (1902). Human nature and the social order. New York: Scribner’s.

<hr />

Deonna, J.A., Rodogno, R., &amp; Teroni, F. (2012). In defense of shame: The faces of an emotion. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

DeParle, J. (2022, November 25). The expanded child tax credit is gone. The battle over it remains. The New York Times. Retrieved from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/politics/child-tax-credit.html

<hr />

Elias, N. (1978). The civilizing process (Volume 1). New York: Pantheon.

<hr />

Elison, J., Garofalo, C., &amp; Velotti, P. (2014). Shame and aggression: Theoretical considerations. Aggression and Violent Behavior 19, 447-453.

<hr />

Garland-Thompson, R. (2005). Feminist disability studies. Signs: Journal of women in Culture and Society 30(2), 1557-1587.

<hr />

Greenwald, D.F., &amp; Harder, D.W. (1998). Domains of shame: Evolutionary, cultural, and psychotherapeutic aspects. In P. Gilbert &amp; B. Andrews (Eds.), Shame: Interpersonal behavior, psychopathology, and culture (p.225-245). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Hauser, C. T. (2016). Shame and resilience among mental health trainees: A scale construction study (Unpublished doctoral dissertation). University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

<hr />

Jacquet, J. (2015). Is shame necessary? New uses for an old tool. New York: Pantheon.

<hr />

Jóhannsdóttir, Á. (2019). Body hair and its entaglement: Shame, choice and resistance in body hair practices among young Icelandic people. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 195-213.

<hr />

Kendi, I.X. (2019). How to be an anti-racist. New York: One World.

<hr />

Lee, R.G. (1996). Shame and the Gestalt Model. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.3-58). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Lichtenberg, P. (1996). Shame and the making of a social class system. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.269-295). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Mate, G. (2019). Scattered minds: The origins and healing of Attention Deficit Disorder. New York: Random House.

<hr />

Mendible, M. (2016). American shame and the boundaries of belonging. In M. Mendible (Ed.), American Shame (p.1-23). Bloomington: Indiana University Press.

<hr />

Morris, C. &amp; Munt, S.R. (2018). Classed formations of shame in White, British single mothers. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 231-249.

<hr />

Morrison, A.P. (1996). The culture of shame. New York: Ballantine.

<hr />

Parsons, E.M. (2020). The development and evaluation of a brief shame resilience intervention: Proof of concept in Social Anxiety Disorder. Unpublished doctoral thesis, Miami University. Retrieved from: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=miami1595594451509091&amp;disposition=inline

<hr />

Pescosolido, B.A., &amp; Martin, J.K. (2015). The stigma complex. Annual Review of Sociology 41, 87-116.

<hr />

Probyn, E. (2019). Productive faces of shame: An interview with Elspeth Probyn. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 322-334.

<hr />

O’Halloran, K. (2015). Theory, politics, and community: Ethical dilemmas in Sydney and Melbourne queer activist collectives. Unpublished doctoral dissertation. Sydney: The University of Sydney. Retrieved from: https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/13958/OHalloran_KT_thesis.pdf?sequence=2

<hr />

Richards, R., (2019). Shame, silence, and resistance: How my narratives of academia and kidney disease entwine. Feminism &amp; Psychology 29(2), 269-285.

<hr />

Tagney, J.P., &amp; Dearing, R.L. (2002). Shame and guilt. New York: The Guilford Press.

<hr />

Scheff, T.J. (2003). Shame in self and society. Symbolic Interaction 26(2), 239-262.

<hr />

Singer, A. (1996). Homosexuality and shame; Clinical meditations on the cultural violation of self. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.123-142). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Stearns, P.N. (2017). Shame: A brief history. Urbana: The University of Illinios Press.

<hr />

von Raumer, Wilhelm. 1857. The Education of Girls. (Cited in Elias 1978.)

<hr />

Wheeler, G., &amp; Jones, D.E. (1996). Finding our sons: A male-male gestalt. In R.G. Lee &amp; G. Wheeler (Eds.)., The voice of shame: Silence and connection in psychotherapy (p.61-99). San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/discomfortable]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9d93c998-7951-43a0-839a-e014bc0c271e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/9d93c998-7951-43a0-839a-e014bc0c271e.mp3" length="59205500" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/cacf2169-e794-4e62-8139-a2fa2634e2bf/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Q&amp;A #1: Should I let my child hit me, or a pillow?</title><itunes:title>Q&amp;A #1: Should I let my child hit me, or a pillow?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode kicks off a series of new episodes that I'm very excited about, which is based on listeners' questions. My goal is to produce shorter episodes that cut across the research base to help you answer the questions that are on your mind about your child's behavior and development.

&nbsp;

Our first question comes from Dee in New Zealand, who wants to know: <strong>should she should do what her preschooler is asking and buy a pair of inflatable boxing gloves so he can hit her when he's feeling angry. Or would hitting a pillow be a better option?</strong>

&nbsp;

If you'd like to submit your own question, you can record a video of yourself asking it in two minutes or less, upload it to a platform like Drive or Dropbox, and send a link to it at <a href="mailto:support@yourparentingmojo.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">support@yourparentingmojo.com</a>. Alternatively you can <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">go to the homepage</a> and click the button to record your question for an audio-only option.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode referenced:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/youngfemininity/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 159, Supporting girls' relationships with Dr. Marnina Gonick</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:18 Parent Dee’s question about her child

04:02 The six things going on in the question

06:19 The Catharsis Theory

07:18 Pointing out the difference in terminology about anger and aggression

09:38 Most of the research has studied cognitive behavioral therapy as a treatment for anger and aggression

11:22 The difference between adults and children in navigating situations

13:10 Anger in girls and boys

14:42 Addressing the difficult behavior instead of the reason for the behavior

16:00 The importance of self-regulation in managing feelings of anger

17:06 Most of us didn’t have great role models for how to cope with anger

22:23 Things to do to help a child regulate their feelings]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode kicks off a series of new episodes that I'm very excited about, which is based on listeners' questions. My goal is to produce shorter episodes that cut across the research base to help you answer the questions that are on your mind about your child's behavior and development.

&nbsp;

Our first question comes from Dee in New Zealand, who wants to know: <strong>should she should do what her preschooler is asking and buy a pair of inflatable boxing gloves so he can hit her when he's feeling angry. Or would hitting a pillow be a better option?</strong>

&nbsp;

If you'd like to submit your own question, you can record a video of yourself asking it in two minutes or less, upload it to a platform like Drive or Dropbox, and send a link to it at <a href="mailto:support@yourparentingmojo.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">support@yourparentingmojo.com</a>. Alternatively you can <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">go to the homepage</a> and click the button to record your question for an audio-only option.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episode referenced:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/youngfemininity/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 159, Supporting girls' relationships with Dr. Marnina Gonick</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:18 Parent Dee’s question about her child

04:02 The six things going on in the question

06:19 The Catharsis Theory

07:18 Pointing out the difference in terminology about anger and aggression

09:38 Most of the research has studied cognitive behavioral therapy as a treatment for anger and aggression

11:22 The difference between adults and children in navigating situations

13:10 Anger in girls and boys

14:42 Addressing the difficult behavior instead of the reason for the behavior

16:00 The importance of self-regulation in managing feelings of anger

17:06 Most of us didn’t have great role models for how to cope with anger

22:23 Things to do to help a child regulate their feelings]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/hitting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">07fe7040-6974-4acf-98db-d91d8963b11a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/07fe7040-6974-4acf-98db-d91d8963b11a.mp3" length="23106782" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/f0adec2b-74f4-4720-a2f0-4a5304114c61/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</title><itunes:title>175: I’ll be me; can you be you?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this most personal episode I've ever created, I'll share with you how my autism self-diagnosis has helped me to understand the experiences I've had in ways that bring a great deal more clarity and insight than I've had up to now.

&nbsp;

In addition to hearing from me, you'll hear the actual voicemail the therapist who has been helping me left to explain the results of my autism screeners, as well as conversations with friends about things that are hard in our friendships.

&nbsp;

You'll hear from listeners who find things I do on podcast episodes to be hurtful and judgmental and also relatable and approachable, and sometimes it's the same things I do that prompts <em>both</em> the 'positive' and 'negative' reactions.

&nbsp;

And you'll hear from a listener in my membership community who has been on a similar journey to understand how her ADHD diagnosis wasn't really about <em>her</em> as much as it was about her reactions to the ways her family interacted with her - they encouraged creativity and expression in her artwork, but never never never ever related to emotional expression.

&nbsp;

My goal with this episode is to help you draw together threads in your own life in a way that maybe you haven't been able to do until now so you can understand yourself better, and make requests to help you meet your needs, and maybe change the situations you're in so you can be in them with more ease and authenticity.

&nbsp;

And I also hope it helps you to see how your child's struggles are a reflection of their needs, and of whether those needs are being met. Just as you didn't need fixing when you were a child (and neither did I, despite all the people who tried to fix me), your child doesn't need fixing either. Instead, we can use the struggles to better understand our needs and our child's needs, and work toward meeting them both.

&nbsp;

To investigate screeners that Dr. A. has available for free on her website, visit <a href="https://spectrumservicesnyc.com/resources/">https://spectrumservicesnyc.com/resources/</a>

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<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you need help with your own big feelings about your child’s behavior, register for the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

We’ll help you to:
<ul><li>Understand the real causes of your triggered feelings, and begin to heal the hurts that cause them</li><li>Use new tools like the ones Katie describes to find ways to meet both her and her children’s needs</li><li>Effectively repair with your children on the fewer instances when you are still triggered</li></ul><br/>
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<span style="font-weight: 400">02:52 My book is coming out on August 2023</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:29The ‘emotional intimacy’ between content creators and audiences</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:50 I looked at my racial privilege through a series of podcast episodes</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:09 I’ve also been exploring my recent autism self-diagnosis through the podcast</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:57 Dr. Andalibian’s voicemail telling me about the results of my autism screeners</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">10:30 I’ve always had a hard time fitting in</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:29 My entire teenage years were marked by a huge withdrawal from everything and everyone</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">12:33 School was miserable as well because I was good at learning but couldn’t figure out how to make friends</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:04 Gemma describes what she remembers about me</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">15:38 The librarian created the Library Monitor position for me</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:30 Sarah explains how we met</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:08 Sarah pointed out that there is much less ambiguity in our relationship than in many of her relationships</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">22:50 I was surprised to hear that Sarah found the absence of ambiguity to be a helpful part of our friendship</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">24:13 An example of when I’ve misstepped and didn’t know how to fix it</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:43 A listener and I chat about imposter syndrome back in 2020</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">28:50 A listener in my Learning Membership community said she has felt judged by some of the things I’ve said about schools</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">30:26 One of the characteristics of autistic people is that we see things in a very black and white way</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:35 I have some genetic autistic component that nobody knew about when I was a child</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">32:47 In many areas of my life, my self-reliance served me well</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">34:30 We are stuck in a comparison mindset</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">35:59 I have a new series of Q&amp;A episodes launching this year</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:18 My parents were traumatized by their own parents’ attempts to shape them to succeed in a White supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist culture</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">40:11 Don’t compare yourself with me, but with the person that you might be if you weren’t held back by these old habits</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">41:07 Parent Claire from my Parenting Membership community shared about </span><span style="font-weight: 400">reading Dr. Gabor Mate’s book on ADHD called Scattered Minds</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">46:04 </span><span style="font-weight: 400">No one wins from negating their true selves</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">48:57 I remember one kid in my high school who was ALWAYS in trouble</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">50:40 Our children do things that seem like the best strategy they have to meet their needs</span>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this most personal episode I've ever created, I'll share with you how my autism self-diagnosis has helped me to understand the experiences I've had in ways that bring a great deal more clarity and insight than I've had up to now.

&nbsp;

In addition to hearing from me, you'll hear the actual voicemail the therapist who has been helping me left to explain the results of my autism screeners, as well as conversations with friends about things that are hard in our friendships.

&nbsp;

You'll hear from listeners who find things I do on podcast episodes to be hurtful and judgmental and also relatable and approachable, and sometimes it's the same things I do that prompts <em>both</em> the 'positive' and 'negative' reactions.

&nbsp;

And you'll hear from a listener in my membership community who has been on a similar journey to understand how her ADHD diagnosis wasn't really about <em>her</em> as much as it was about her reactions to the ways her family interacted with her - they encouraged creativity and expression in her artwork, but never never never ever related to emotional expression.

&nbsp;

My goal with this episode is to help you draw together threads in your own life in a way that maybe you haven't been able to do until now so you can understand yourself better, and make requests to help you meet your needs, and maybe change the situations you're in so you can be in them with more ease and authenticity.

&nbsp;

And I also hope it helps you to see how your child's struggles are a reflection of their needs, and of whether those needs are being met. Just as you didn't need fixing when you were a child (and neither did I, despite all the people who tried to fix me), your child doesn't need fixing either. Instead, we can use the struggles to better understand our needs and our child's needs, and work toward meeting them both.

&nbsp;

To investigate screeners that Dr. A. has available for free on her website, visit <a href="https://spectrumservicesnyc.com/resources/">https://spectrumservicesnyc.com/resources/</a>

&nbsp;
<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you need help with your own big feelings about your child’s behavior, register for the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

We’ll help you to:
<ul><li>Understand the real causes of your triggered feelings, and begin to heal the hurts that cause them</li><li>Use new tools like the ones Katie describes to find ways to meet both her and her children’s needs</li><li>Effectively repair with your children on the fewer instances when you are still triggered</li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:52 My book is coming out on August 2023</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:29The ‘emotional intimacy’ between content creators and audiences</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:50 I looked at my racial privilege through a series of podcast episodes</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:09 I’ve also been exploring my recent autism self-diagnosis through the podcast</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:57 Dr. Andalibian’s voicemail telling me about the results of my autism screeners</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">10:30 I’ve always had a hard time fitting in</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:29 My entire teenage years were marked by a huge withdrawal from everything and everyone</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">12:33 School was miserable as well because I was good at learning but couldn’t figure out how to make friends</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:04 Gemma describes what she remembers about me</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">15:38 The librarian created the Library Monitor position for me</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:30 Sarah explains how we met</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:08 Sarah pointed out that there is much less ambiguity in our relationship than in many of her relationships</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">22:50 I was surprised to hear that Sarah found the absence of ambiguity to be a helpful part of our friendship</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">24:13 An example of when I’ve misstepped and didn’t know how to fix it</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:43 A listener and I chat about imposter syndrome back in 2020</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">28:50 A listener in my Learning Membership community said she has felt judged by some of the things I’ve said about schools</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">30:26 One of the characteristics of autistic people is that we see things in a very black and white way</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:35 I have some genetic autistic component that nobody knew about when I was a child</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">32:47 In many areas of my life, my self-reliance served me well</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">34:30 We are stuck in a comparison mindset</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">35:59 I have a new series of Q&amp;A episodes launching this year</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:18 My parents were traumatized by their own parents’ attempts to shape them to succeed in a White supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist culture</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">40:11 Don’t compare yourself with me, but with the person that you might be if you weren’t held back by these old habits</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">41:07 Parent Claire from my Parenting Membership community shared about </span><span style="font-weight: 400">reading Dr. Gabor Mate’s book on ADHD called Scattered Minds</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">46:04 </span><span style="font-weight: 400">No one wins from negating their true selves</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">48:57 I remember one kid in my high school who was ALWAYS in trouble</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">50:40 Our children do things that seem like the best strategy they have to meet their needs</span>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">33d9ef4e-cbcc-4318-a980-2919f6bd95d3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2023 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/71221343-cce9-4154-9cc4-a6c49ac89057/I-LL-BE-ME-AUDIO-REVISED.mp3" length="50293705" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>175</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>175</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a5b87606-a428-4a72-9213-ef0e133cfb11/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>174: Support for Neurodivergent Parents with Dr. Rahimeh Andalibian &amp; Sara Goodrich</title><itunes:title>174: Support for Neurodivergent Parents with Dr. Rahimeh Andalibian &amp; Sara Goodrich</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Most of the resources related to parenting and neurodiversity are geared toward helping neurodivergent children, not neurodivergent parents, so this episode aims to help close that gap.

&nbsp;

Whether you (or your partner, if you have one) have a diagnosis or you see yourself (or them) struggling but can't quite figure out why, this episode may help. Autism and ADHD are diagnosed at wildly differing rates in girls and boys (in large part because boys' symptoms often turn outward while girls' symptoms turn inward), which means that girls are very often undiagnosed and unsupported well into adulthood.

&nbsp;

Dr. A. may help you to identify neurodivergence in yourself or your partner, and then connect you to resources to support you on your journey.

&nbsp;

Find more about Dr. A's practice at <a href="http://SpectrumServicesNYC.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SpectrumServicesNYC.com</a>

&nbsp;

I also very much appreciated Dr. A's memoir <a href="https://amzn.to/3h112NR" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Rose Hotel</a> (affiliate link) about her experiences in Iran during the revolution, and later in the U.K. and the U.S.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:03 Introduction to this episode.

03:07 What kind of patterns do you see in couples where one partner is known to be neurodivergent?

07:28 It’s often the female-identifying partner who is the one who identifies the issue.

11:46 What are some of the red flags for neurodivergent partners?

16:05 Men tend to flood four times as fast as their female partners when they are in an argument.

21:43 How do I support my partner in being a successful parent and also find more balance in terms of what they bring to the family?

25:38 What do we do with this knowledge that we have?

30:31 Dealing with conflict between the couple.

32:46 What do you think of the idea of trauma as a factor in ADHD?

36:12 Diagnosis of ADHD is multi-directional.

41:56 Mental health is still stigmatized, and getting a diagnosis could backfire on you.

42:31 What is a diagnosis and how does it help?

47:44 The different types of ADHD.

53:03 Social calendaring and extracurricular activities.

54:46 Time blocking is a better approach for ADHD.

01:01:45 Strengths of people with ADHD.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Blair, R.J.R. (2005). Responding to the emotions of others: Dissociating forms of empathy through the study of typical and psychiatric populations. Consciousness and Cognition 14(4), 698-718.

<hr />

Bostock-Ling, J.S. (2017, December). Life satisfaction of neurotypical women in intimate relationships with a partner who has Asperger’s Syndrome: An exploratory study. Unpublished Master’s thesis: The University of Sydney.

<hr />

Chronis-Tuscano, A., &amp; Stein, M.A. (2012). Pharmapsychotherapy for parents with Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD): Impact on maternal ADHD and parenting. CNS Drugs 26(9), 725-732.

<hr />

Chronis-Tuscano, A., O’Brien, K.A., Johnston, C., Jones, H.A., Clarke, T.L., Raggi, V.L., Rooney, M.E., Diaz, Y., Pian, J., &amp; Seymour, K.E. (2011). The relation between maternal ADHD symptoms &amp; improvement in child behavior following brief behavioral parent training is mediated by change in negative parenting. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 39, 1047-1057.

<hr />

Conway, F., Oster, M., &amp; Szymanski, K. (2011). ADHD and complex trauma: A descriptive study of hospitalized children in an urban psychiatric hospital. Journal of Infant, Child, and Adolescent Psychotherapy 10, 60-72.

<hr />

Dziobek, I., Rogers, K., Fleck, S., Bahnemann, M., Heekeren, H.R., Wolf, O.T., &amp; Convit, A. (2007). Dissociation of cognitive and emotional empathy in adults with Asperger Syndrome using the mUltifaceted Empathy Test (MET). Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 38, 464-473.

<hr />

Ford, J.D., Thomas, J., Racusin, R., Daviss, W.B., Ellis, C.G., Rogers, K., Reiser, J., Schiffman, J., &amp; Sengupta, A. (1999). Trauma exposure among children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Attention Deicit-Hyperactivity Disorder. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 67(5), 786-789.

<hr />

Hull, L., Petrides, K.V., &amp; Mandy, W. (2020). The female autism phenotype and camouflaging: A narrative review. Review Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 7, 306-317.

<hr />

Lilley, R., Lawson, W., Hall, G., Mahony, J., Clapham, H., Heyworth, M., Arnold, S., Trollor, J., Yudell, M., &amp; Pellicano, E. (2022). “Peas in a pod”: Oral history reflections on autistic identity in family and community by late-diagnosed adults. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 1-16.

<hr />

Mazursky-Horowitz, H., Thomas, S.R., Woods, K.E., Chrabaszcz, J.D., Deater-Deckard, K., &amp; Chronis-Tuscano, A. (2018). Maternal executive functioning and scaffolding families of children with and without parent-reported ADHD. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 46(3), 463-475.

<hr />

Mazursky-Horowitz, H., Felton, J.W., MacPherson, L., Ehrlich, K.B., Cassidy, J., Lejuez, C.W., &amp; Chronis-Tuscano, A. (2014). Maternal emotion regulation mediates the association between adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder symptoms and parenting. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 43(1), 121-131.

<hr />

McGough, J.J., Smalley, S.L., McCracken, J.T., Yang, M., Del’Homme, M., Lynn, D.E., &amp; Loo, S. (2005). Psychiatric comorbidity in adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder: Findings from multiplex families. American Journal of Psychiatry 162, 1621-1627.

<hr />

Moser, D.A., Aue, T., Suardi, F., Manini, A., Rossignol, A.S., Cordero, M.I., Merminod, G., Ansermet, F., Serpa, S.R., Fabez, N., &amp; Schechter, D.S. (2015). The relation of general socio-emotional processing to parenting specific behavior: A study of mothers with and without posttraumatic stress disorder. Frontiers in Psychology 6:1575.

<hr />

National Library of Medicine (n.d.). 14. Prevalence of Autism Spectrum Disorder. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK332896/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK332896/</a>

<hr />

Park, J.L., Hudec, K.L., Johnston, C. (2017). Parental ADHD symptoms and parenting behaviors: A meta-analysis. Clinical Psychology Review 56, 25-39.

<hr />

Pearlstein, T., &amp; Steiner, M. (2012). Premenstral Dysphoric Disrorder: Burden of illness and treatment update. The Journal of Lifelong Learning in Psychiatry X(1), 90-101.

<hr />

Psychogiou, L., Daley, D., Thompson, M.J., &amp; Sonuga-Barke, E.J.S. (2008). Do maternal attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder symptoms exacerbate or ameliorate the negative effect of child attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder symptoms on parenting? Development and Psychopathology 20, 121-137.

<hr />

Reinhold, J.A. (2015). Adult ADHD: A review of the clinical presentation, challenges, and treatment options. Psychiatric Times 32(10), 41.

<hr />

World Health Organization (2022, March 30). Autism. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/autism-spectrum-disorders#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20worldwide,figures%20that%20are%20substantially%20higher" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/autism-spectrum-disorders#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20worldwide,figures%20that%20are%20substantially%20higher</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Most of the resources related to parenting and neurodiversity are geared toward helping neurodivergent children, not neurodivergent parents, so this episode aims to help close that gap.

&nbsp;

Whether you (or your partner, if you have one) have a diagnosis or you see yourself (or them) struggling but can't quite figure out why, this episode may help. Autism and ADHD are diagnosed at wildly differing rates in girls and boys (in large part because boys' symptoms often turn outward while girls' symptoms turn inward), which means that girls are very often undiagnosed and unsupported well into adulthood.

&nbsp;

Dr. A. may help you to identify neurodivergence in yourself or your partner, and then connect you to resources to support you on your journey.

&nbsp;

Find more about Dr. A's practice at <a href="http://SpectrumServicesNYC.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SpectrumServicesNYC.com</a>

&nbsp;

I also very much appreciated Dr. A's memoir <a href="https://amzn.to/3h112NR" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Rose Hotel</a> (affiliate link) about her experiences in Iran during the revolution, and later in the U.K. and the U.S.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:03 Introduction to this episode.

03:07 What kind of patterns do you see in couples where one partner is known to be neurodivergent?

07:28 It’s often the female-identifying partner who is the one who identifies the issue.

11:46 What are some of the red flags for neurodivergent partners?

16:05 Men tend to flood four times as fast as their female partners when they are in an argument.

21:43 How do I support my partner in being a successful parent and also find more balance in terms of what they bring to the family?

25:38 What do we do with this knowledge that we have?

30:31 Dealing with conflict between the couple.

32:46 What do you think of the idea of trauma as a factor in ADHD?

36:12 Diagnosis of ADHD is multi-directional.

41:56 Mental health is still stigmatized, and getting a diagnosis could backfire on you.

42:31 What is a diagnosis and how does it help?

47:44 The different types of ADHD.

53:03 Social calendaring and extracurricular activities.

54:46 Time blocking is a better approach for ADHD.

01:01:45 Strengths of people with ADHD.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Blair, R.J.R. (2005). Responding to the emotions of others: Dissociating forms of empathy through the study of typical and psychiatric populations. Consciousness and Cognition 14(4), 698-718.

<hr />

Bostock-Ling, J.S. (2017, December). Life satisfaction of neurotypical women in intimate relationships with a partner who has Asperger’s Syndrome: An exploratory study. Unpublished Master’s thesis: The University of Sydney.

<hr />

Chronis-Tuscano, A., &amp; Stein, M.A. (2012). Pharmapsychotherapy for parents with Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD): Impact on maternal ADHD and parenting. CNS Drugs 26(9), 725-732.

<hr />

Chronis-Tuscano, A., O’Brien, K.A., Johnston, C., Jones, H.A., Clarke, T.L., Raggi, V.L., Rooney, M.E., Diaz, Y., Pian, J., &amp; Seymour, K.E. (2011). The relation between maternal ADHD symptoms &amp; improvement in child behavior following brief behavioral parent training is mediated by change in negative parenting. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 39, 1047-1057.

<hr />

Conway, F., Oster, M., &amp; Szymanski, K. (2011). ADHD and complex trauma: A descriptive study of hospitalized children in an urban psychiatric hospital. Journal of Infant, Child, and Adolescent Psychotherapy 10, 60-72.

<hr />

Dziobek, I., Rogers, K., Fleck, S., Bahnemann, M., Heekeren, H.R., Wolf, O.T., &amp; Convit, A. (2007). Dissociation of cognitive and emotional empathy in adults with Asperger Syndrome using the mUltifaceted Empathy Test (MET). Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 38, 464-473.

<hr />

Ford, J.D., Thomas, J., Racusin, R., Daviss, W.B., Ellis, C.G., Rogers, K., Reiser, J., Schiffman, J., &amp; Sengupta, A. (1999). Trauma exposure among children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Attention Deicit-Hyperactivity Disorder. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 67(5), 786-789.

<hr />

Hull, L., Petrides, K.V., &amp; Mandy, W. (2020). The female autism phenotype and camouflaging: A narrative review. Review Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 7, 306-317.

<hr />

Lilley, R., Lawson, W., Hall, G., Mahony, J., Clapham, H., Heyworth, M., Arnold, S., Trollor, J., Yudell, M., &amp; Pellicano, E. (2022). “Peas in a pod”: Oral history reflections on autistic identity in family and community by late-diagnosed adults. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 1-16.

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Mazursky-Horowitz, H., Thomas, S.R., Woods, K.E., Chrabaszcz, J.D., Deater-Deckard, K., &amp; Chronis-Tuscano, A. (2018). Maternal executive functioning and scaffolding families of children with and without parent-reported ADHD. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 46(3), 463-475.

<hr />

Mazursky-Horowitz, H., Felton, J.W., MacPherson, L., Ehrlich, K.B., Cassidy, J., Lejuez, C.W., &amp; Chronis-Tuscano, A. (2014). Maternal emotion regulation mediates the association between adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder symptoms and parenting. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 43(1), 121-131.

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McGough, J.J., Smalley, S.L., McCracken, J.T., Yang, M., Del’Homme, M., Lynn, D.E., &amp; Loo, S. (2005). Psychiatric comorbidity in adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder: Findings from multiplex families. American Journal of Psychiatry 162, 1621-1627.

<hr />

Moser, D.A., Aue, T., Suardi, F., Manini, A., Rossignol, A.S., Cordero, M.I., Merminod, G., Ansermet, F., Serpa, S.R., Fabez, N., &amp; Schechter, D.S. (2015). The relation of general socio-emotional processing to parenting specific behavior: A study of mothers with and without posttraumatic stress disorder. Frontiers in Psychology 6:1575.

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National Library of Medicine (n.d.). 14. Prevalence of Autism Spectrum Disorder. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK332896/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK332896/</a>

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Park, J.L., Hudec, K.L., Johnston, C. (2017). Parental ADHD symptoms and parenting behaviors: A meta-analysis. Clinical Psychology Review 56, 25-39.

<hr />

Pearlstein, T., &amp; Steiner, M. (2012). Premenstral Dysphoric Disrorder: Burden of illness and treatment update. The Journal of Lifelong Learning in Psychiatry X(1), 90-101.

<hr />

Psychogiou, L., Daley, D., Thompson, M.J., &amp; Sonuga-Barke, E.J.S. (2008). Do maternal attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder symptoms exacerbate or ameliorate the negative effect of child attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder symptoms on parenting? Development and Psychopathology 20, 121-137.

<hr />

Reinhold, J.A. (2015). Adult ADHD: A review of the clinical presentation, challenges, and treatment options. Psychiatric Times 32(10), 41.

<hr />

World Health Organization (2022, March 30). Autism. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/autism-spectrum-disorders#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20worldwide,figures%20that%20are%20substantially%20higher" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/autism-spectrum-disorders#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20worldwide,figures%20that%20are%20substantially%20higher</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentsneurodivergence]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">508562f9-712c-4e25-ad38-5c46827f52e0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/10f39725-b651-4b2f-96f8-80e36a762f15/Support-for-Neurodivergent-Parents.mp3" length="66766799" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:09:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>174</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>174</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/54ab4a56-5664-499b-b000-2596b3d445e5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>173: Why we shouldn’t read the “Your X-Year-Old Child” books any more</title><itunes:title>173: Why we shouldn’t read the “Your X-Year-Old Child” books any more</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Have you ever seen recommendations for the books called Your One Year Old, Your Two Year Old, and so on, by Louise Bates Ames?  Every few weeks I see parents posting in online communities asking about some aspect of their child’s behavior that is confusing or annoying to them, and somebody responds: “You should read the Louise Bates Ames books!”

&nbsp;

This usually comes with the caveat that the reader will have to disregard all the 'outdated gender stuff,' but that the information on child development is still highly relevant.

&nbsp;

In this episode I dig deep into the research on which these books are based. While the books were mostly published in the 1980s, they're based on research done in the 1930s to 1950s.

&nbsp;

I argue that far from just 'stripping out the outdated gender stuff,' we need to look much deeper at the cultural context that the information in these books fits within - because it turns out that not only were the researchers not measuring 'normal,' 'average' child development, but that they were training children to respond to situations in a certain way, based on ideas about a person's role in society that may not fit with our views at all. And if this is the case, why should we use these books as a guide to our children's development?

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/potty/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Toilet learning</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/pink/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/nvc/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NVC</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:41 An open invitation to check out the new book that will be released in August 2023.

04:59)Why these child psych books from the 1980s are all over parenting Facebook groups today

06:01 The Gesell philosophy of human behavior

08:48 Who is Louise Bates

10:32 Who is Arnold Gesell

11:28 How the children were selected to participate in the experiment

14:28 How our view of childhood had undergone a massive shift in the previous 100 years

16:09 What’s it like to have a child involved in the study

19:35 Some of the significant milestones provided by researchers

20:50 Dr. Gesell is looking to study the natural development of children’s physical capabilities

22:07 What normal seems to mean in the study

23:11 Gesell fails to observe what the baby’s hands are actually doing

24:18 The purpose of the ‘performance box’

27:44 I add my own judgment of the research

28:32 Gesell wrote that what he called ‘systematic cinematography’

29:22 Another way that the situation was anything but natural was that the study took place within a dome

30:59 Dr. Gesell observed the effect of the running commentary on him in the experimenter role

31:54 Dr. Gesell makes contradictory statements about whether the behavior he observed in the lab was the same as the behavior the child displayed at home

32:58 A baby’s behavior changes based on the environment it is in

35:04 What the researchers say about children’s capabilities outside of the lab

35:56 Even the view of maturation itself is inextricably linked to Euro-centric ideas about time, on both micro and macro scales.

40:51 What are parents supposed to do with all this information

45:19 One of the Dr. Bates Ames’ key ideas is that development doesn’t proceed in a linear fashion

47:52 The similarity between reading the development book and reading a horoscope

52:33 The idea that things aren’t linear in our children’s development is super helpful

52:54 I found the most useful description of why this non-linear behavior happens in a book of essays by Dr. Myrtle McGraw

54:14 Going back to the outdated ideas about gender

57:11 The flow of authority

01:00:55 When we use our power to get children to do what we want them to do we’re still promoting the values of a patriarchal culture

01:02:58 The most common word uttered is ‘mine’

01:05:04 Each of the decisions parents make is made in a cultural context

01:07:36 An episode suggestion to listen to

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Al-Bdour, A-N.A., Akasheh, H.F., &amp; Al-Husban, N.A. (2003). Ultrasonography of the uterus after normal vaginal delivery. Saudi Medical Journal 25(1), 41-44.

&nbsp;

Astrology King (October 29, 2022). Aries Last Week: October 24 to 30, 2022. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://astrologyking.com/aries-last-week/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://astrologyking.com/aries-last-week/</a>

&nbsp;

Ball, R.S. (1977). The Gesell Developmental Schedules; Arnold Gesell (1880-1961). Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 5(3), 233-239.

&nbsp;

Britannica, The Editors of Encyclopaedia (2022, June 17). Arnold Gesell. Encyclopedia Britanica. <a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Arnold-Gesell" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.britannica.com/biography/Arnold-Gesell</a>

&nbsp;

Dalton, T.C., &amp; Bergenn, V.W. (1995). Beyond heredity and environment: Myrtle cGraw and the maturation controversy. Boulder: Westview Press.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A., Ilg, F.L., Bates Ames, L., &amp; Rodell, J.L. (1971). Infant and child in the culture of today: The guidance of development in home and nursery school. New York: Harper &amp; Row.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A., Halverson, H.M., Thompson, H., Ilg, F.L, Castner, B.M., Ames, L.B., &amp; Amatruda, C.S. (1940). The first five years of life: A guide to the study of the preschool child. New York: Harper &amp; Brothers Publishers.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A.D., Thompson, H., &amp; Amatruda, C.S. (1938). The psychology of early growth, Including norms of infant behavior and a method of genetic analysis. New York: MacMillan.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A., Thompson, H., &amp; Amatruda, C.S. (1934). Infant behavior: Its genesis and growth. New York: McGraw Hill.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1952). Infant development: The embryology of early human behavior. New York: Harper &amp; Brothers Publishers.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1930). The guidance of mental growth in infant and child. New York: The MacMillan Company.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1926). The mental growth of the preschool: A psychological outline of normal development from birth to the sixth year, including a system of developmental diagnosis. New York: The MacMillan Company.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1925). The retarged child: How to help him. Bloomington, IL: Public School Publishing Company.

&nbsp;

Ilg, F.L., &amp; Bates Ames, L. (1972). Child behavior. New York: Barnes &amp; Noble Books.

&nbsp;

Knobloch, H., &amp; Pasamanick, B. (1974). Gesell and Amatruda’s developmental diagnosis: The evaluation and management of normal and abnormal neuropsychologic development in infancy and early childhood (3rd Ed.). Hagerstown: Harper &amp; Row.

&nbsp;

Lancy, D. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings (2nd Ed.). Cambridge, Cambridge University Press.

&nbsp;

Leung, K.C., &amp; Sauve, R.S. (2005). Breast is best for babies. Journal of the National Medical Association 97(7), 1010-1019.

&nbsp;

Mulic‐Lutvica, A., Bekuretsion, M., Bakos, O., &amp; Axelsson, O. (2001). Ultrasonic evaluation of the uterus and uterine cavity after normal, vaginal delivery. <em>Ultrasound in Obstetrics and Gynecology: The Official Journal of the International Society of Ultrasound in Obstetrics and Gynecology</em>, <em>18</em>(5), 491-498.

&nbsp;

O’Neill, A. (2022, June 21). Child mortality rate (under five years old) in the United States, from 1800 to 2020. Statista. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/</a>

&nbsp;

Pelcowitz, M. (2012). Louise Bates Ames. Psychology’s Feminist Voices. Retrieved from: <a href="https://feministvoices.com/profiles/louise-bates-ames" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://feministvoices.com/profiles/louise-bates-ames</a>

&nbsp;

Pikler, E. (1972). Data on gross motor development of the infant. Early Child Development and Care 1(3), 297-310.

&nbsp;

Pikler, E. (1968). Some contributions to the study of the gross motor development of children. The Journal of Genetic Psychology 113(1), 27-39.

&nbsp;

Tredgold, A.F. (1909). II. The feeble-minded – a social danger. The Eugenics Review 1(2), 97-104.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Have you ever seen recommendations for the books called Your One Year Old, Your Two Year Old, and so on, by Louise Bates Ames?  Every few weeks I see parents posting in online communities asking about some aspect of their child’s behavior that is confusing or annoying to them, and somebody responds: “You should read the Louise Bates Ames books!”

&nbsp;

This usually comes with the caveat that the reader will have to disregard all the 'outdated gender stuff,' but that the information on child development is still highly relevant.

&nbsp;

In this episode I dig deep into the research on which these books are based. While the books were mostly published in the 1980s, they're based on research done in the 1930s to 1950s.

&nbsp;

I argue that far from just 'stripping out the outdated gender stuff,' we need to look much deeper at the cultural context that the information in these books fits within - because it turns out that not only were the researchers not measuring 'normal,' 'average' child development, but that they were training children to respond to situations in a certain way, based on ideas about a person's role in society that may not fit with our views at all. And if this is the case, why should we use these books as a guide to our children's development?

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/rie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Science of RIE</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/potty/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Toilet learning</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/pink/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/nvc/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NVC</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:41 An open invitation to check out the new book that will be released in August 2023.

04:59)Why these child psych books from the 1980s are all over parenting Facebook groups today

06:01 The Gesell philosophy of human behavior

08:48 Who is Louise Bates

10:32 Who is Arnold Gesell

11:28 How the children were selected to participate in the experiment

14:28 How our view of childhood had undergone a massive shift in the previous 100 years

16:09 What’s it like to have a child involved in the study

19:35 Some of the significant milestones provided by researchers

20:50 Dr. Gesell is looking to study the natural development of children’s physical capabilities

22:07 What normal seems to mean in the study

23:11 Gesell fails to observe what the baby’s hands are actually doing

24:18 The purpose of the ‘performance box’

27:44 I add my own judgment of the research

28:32 Gesell wrote that what he called ‘systematic cinematography’

29:22 Another way that the situation was anything but natural was that the study took place within a dome

30:59 Dr. Gesell observed the effect of the running commentary on him in the experimenter role

31:54 Dr. Gesell makes contradictory statements about whether the behavior he observed in the lab was the same as the behavior the child displayed at home

32:58 A baby’s behavior changes based on the environment it is in

35:04 What the researchers say about children’s capabilities outside of the lab

35:56 Even the view of maturation itself is inextricably linked to Euro-centric ideas about time, on both micro and macro scales.

40:51 What are parents supposed to do with all this information

45:19 One of the Dr. Bates Ames’ key ideas is that development doesn’t proceed in a linear fashion

47:52 The similarity between reading the development book and reading a horoscope

52:33 The idea that things aren’t linear in our children’s development is super helpful

52:54 I found the most useful description of why this non-linear behavior happens in a book of essays by Dr. Myrtle McGraw

54:14 Going back to the outdated ideas about gender

57:11 The flow of authority

01:00:55 When we use our power to get children to do what we want them to do we’re still promoting the values of a patriarchal culture

01:02:58 The most common word uttered is ‘mine’

01:05:04 Each of the decisions parents make is made in a cultural context

01:07:36 An episode suggestion to listen to

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Al-Bdour, A-N.A., Akasheh, H.F., &amp; Al-Husban, N.A. (2003). Ultrasonography of the uterus after normal vaginal delivery. Saudi Medical Journal 25(1), 41-44.

&nbsp;

Astrology King (October 29, 2022). Aries Last Week: October 24 to 30, 2022. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://astrologyking.com/aries-last-week/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://astrologyking.com/aries-last-week/</a>

&nbsp;

Ball, R.S. (1977). The Gesell Developmental Schedules; Arnold Gesell (1880-1961). Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 5(3), 233-239.

&nbsp;

Britannica, The Editors of Encyclopaedia (2022, June 17). Arnold Gesell. Encyclopedia Britanica. <a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Arnold-Gesell" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.britannica.com/biography/Arnold-Gesell</a>

&nbsp;

Dalton, T.C., &amp; Bergenn, V.W. (1995). Beyond heredity and environment: Myrtle cGraw and the maturation controversy. Boulder: Westview Press.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A., Ilg, F.L., Bates Ames, L., &amp; Rodell, J.L. (1971). Infant and child in the culture of today: The guidance of development in home and nursery school. New York: Harper &amp; Row.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A., Halverson, H.M., Thompson, H., Ilg, F.L, Castner, B.M., Ames, L.B., &amp; Amatruda, C.S. (1940). The first five years of life: A guide to the study of the preschool child. New York: Harper &amp; Brothers Publishers.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A.D., Thompson, H., &amp; Amatruda, C.S. (1938). The psychology of early growth, Including norms of infant behavior and a method of genetic analysis. New York: MacMillan.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A., Thompson, H., &amp; Amatruda, C.S. (1934). Infant behavior: Its genesis and growth. New York: McGraw Hill.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1952). Infant development: The embryology of early human behavior. New York: Harper &amp; Brothers Publishers.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1930). The guidance of mental growth in infant and child. New York: The MacMillan Company.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1926). The mental growth of the preschool: A psychological outline of normal development from birth to the sixth year, including a system of developmental diagnosis. New York: The MacMillan Company.

&nbsp;

Gesell, A. (1925). The retarged child: How to help him. Bloomington, IL: Public School Publishing Company.

&nbsp;

Ilg, F.L., &amp; Bates Ames, L. (1972). Child behavior. New York: Barnes &amp; Noble Books.

&nbsp;

Knobloch, H., &amp; Pasamanick, B. (1974). Gesell and Amatruda’s developmental diagnosis: The evaluation and management of normal and abnormal neuropsychologic development in infancy and early childhood (3rd Ed.). Hagerstown: Harper &amp; Row.

&nbsp;

Lancy, D. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings (2nd Ed.). Cambridge, Cambridge University Press.

&nbsp;

Leung, K.C., &amp; Sauve, R.S. (2005). Breast is best for babies. Journal of the National Medical Association 97(7), 1010-1019.

&nbsp;

Mulic‐Lutvica, A., Bekuretsion, M., Bakos, O., &amp; Axelsson, O. (2001). Ultrasonic evaluation of the uterus and uterine cavity after normal, vaginal delivery. <em>Ultrasound in Obstetrics and Gynecology: The Official Journal of the International Society of Ultrasound in Obstetrics and Gynecology</em>, <em>18</em>(5), 491-498.

&nbsp;

O’Neill, A. (2022, June 21). Child mortality rate (under five years old) in the United States, from 1800 to 2020. Statista. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/</a>

&nbsp;

Pelcowitz, M. (2012). Louise Bates Ames. Psychology’s Feminist Voices. Retrieved from: <a href="https://feministvoices.com/profiles/louise-bates-ames" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://feministvoices.com/profiles/louise-bates-ames</a>

&nbsp;

Pikler, E. (1972). Data on gross motor development of the infant. Early Child Development and Care 1(3), 297-310.

&nbsp;

Pikler, E. (1968). Some contributions to the study of the gross motor development of children. The Journal of Genetic Psychology 113(1), 27-39.

&nbsp;

Tredgold, A.F. (1909). II. The feeble-minded – a social danger. The Eugenics Review 1(2), 97-104.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/yourxyearoldchild]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e789cb5c-87b5-4469-b076-66207f30d05e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e7b41ff-0993-4874-a1e9-735e4462e351/Why-we-shouldn-t-read-the-Your-X-Year-Old-books-v2.mp3" length="68378868" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:11:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>173</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>173</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/61b51f38-4e50-4f89-83ec-6fadd6b1943f/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>172: You Are Not A Sh*tty Parent with Carla Naumburg</title><itunes:title>172: You Are Not A Sh*tty Parent with Carla Naumburg</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Are you a shitty parent?

Or do you ever <em>think</em> you might be?

Parenting today is so hard, and there are so many models of 'perfect parenting' available on social media that we can compare ourselves against that provide 'evidence' that we're not doing it right.

Things can get even more difficult when we believe in respectful parenting, because we have a model for what we know we want parenting to be like - and every time we fall short of that ideal, the voice is there:

"You don't know what you're doing."

"You'll never be able to do it right."

"You're a shitty parent."

My guest today, Carla Naumburg, is the author of the bestselling book How to Stop Losing Your Sh*t With Your Kids, which was conveniently released just before a global pandemic started when we suddenly all started losing our shit with our kids.

Now she's back with a new book: You Are Not A Sh*tty Parent which helps us to understand:
<ul><li>Where these stories about ourselves come from</li><li>How we can stop believing these stories</li><li>Ways to treat both ourselves and our children with more compassion</li></ul><br/>
Carla was kind enough to send an advance copy of the book to a member of my community who said that she would read a sentence in it and think:

“But you don’t know me; I actually AM a shitty parent!”...and then in the next sentence it was almost like Carla had read her mind and was prepared to address the member's precise concern. So if you ever feel anxious about your ability to parent in a way that's aligned with your values and think it's all about your failures, Carla has ideas to help.

Please note that some swearing is inevitable when you're talking about Carla's books but apart from that the conversation was remarkably restrained on the language front!

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>Carla Naumburg's Books (Affiliate links)</strong></h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3EXib4q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Not A Sh*tty Parent</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3yYDWgC" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Affiliate link to How to Stop Losing Your Shit With Your Kids</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:53 Introducing today’s guest

02:52 Exploring various types of struggles in life and parenting and the importance of distinguishing between them

08:54 Discussing self-compassion, distinguishing it from what it isn't

14:18 Exploring the difficulties of practicing self-compassion in a world of constant comparison and negative self-talk

20:07 Recognizing thoughts, acknowledging the separation between ourselves and our thoughts

29:57 Fostering compassion by first being kind to yourself, speaking compassionately to your kids, and adjusting your self-talk about them

40:06 Embracing the ever-changing seasons of life helps us release unrealistic expectations, find gratitude in the present, and accept the natural flow of experiences

44:53 Balancing compassion with power is essential for a just society

50:05 Self-compassion as a lifelong journey, not a destination

56:50 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Yarnell, L.M., Stafford, R.E., Neff, K.D., Reilly, E.D., Knox, M.C., &amp; Mullarkey, M. (2015). Meta-analysis of gender differences in self-compassion. Self and Identity 14(5), 499-520.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Are you a shitty parent?

Or do you ever <em>think</em> you might be?

Parenting today is so hard, and there are so many models of 'perfect parenting' available on social media that we can compare ourselves against that provide 'evidence' that we're not doing it right.

Things can get even more difficult when we believe in respectful parenting, because we have a model for what we know we want parenting to be like - and every time we fall short of that ideal, the voice is there:

"You don't know what you're doing."

"You'll never be able to do it right."

"You're a shitty parent."

My guest today, Carla Naumburg, is the author of the bestselling book How to Stop Losing Your Sh*t With Your Kids, which was conveniently released just before a global pandemic started when we suddenly all started losing our shit with our kids.

Now she's back with a new book: You Are Not A Sh*tty Parent which helps us to understand:
<ul><li>Where these stories about ourselves come from</li><li>How we can stop believing these stories</li><li>Ways to treat both ourselves and our children with more compassion</li></ul><br/>
Carla was kind enough to send an advance copy of the book to a member of my community who said that she would read a sentence in it and think:

“But you don’t know me; I actually AM a shitty parent!”...and then in the next sentence it was almost like Carla had read her mind and was prepared to address the member's precise concern. So if you ever feel anxious about your ability to parent in a way that's aligned with your values and think it's all about your failures, Carla has ideas to help.

Please note that some swearing is inevitable when you're talking about Carla's books but apart from that the conversation was remarkably restrained on the language front!

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>Carla Naumburg's Books (Affiliate links)</strong></h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3EXib4q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Not A Sh*tty Parent</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3yYDWgC" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Affiliate link to How to Stop Losing Your Shit With Your Kids</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:53 Introducing today’s guest

02:52 Exploring various types of struggles in life and parenting and the importance of distinguishing between them

08:54 Discussing self-compassion, distinguishing it from what it isn't

14:18 Exploring the difficulties of practicing self-compassion in a world of constant comparison and negative self-talk

20:07 Recognizing thoughts, acknowledging the separation between ourselves and our thoughts

29:57 Fostering compassion by first being kind to yourself, speaking compassionately to your kids, and adjusting your self-talk about them

40:06 Embracing the ever-changing seasons of life helps us release unrealistic expectations, find gratitude in the present, and accept the natural flow of experiences

44:53 Balancing compassion with power is essential for a just society

50:05 Self-compassion as a lifelong journey, not a destination

56:50 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Yarnell, L.M., Stafford, R.E., Neff, K.D., Reilly, E.D., Knox, M.C., &amp; Mullarkey, M. (2015). Meta-analysis of gender differences in self-compassion. Self and Identity 14(5), 499-520.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/youarenotashittyparent]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d2de89a4-4a0f-4b16-a0eb-a2386d033a51</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5f9082a1-41b7-4798-9cd6-f7a6add471bf/Carla-Naumburg-You-Are-Not-A-Shitty-Parent-v2.mp3" length="60084467" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>172</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>172</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a709e102-490e-4b1a-9c3b-30a312185c3d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>171: How Good People Can Create A More Just Future with Dr. Dolly Chugh</title><itunes:title>171: How Good People Can Create A More Just Future with Dr. Dolly Chugh</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Did you read Little House on the Prairie when you were a child? I didn't, but I know it's a common American rite of passage.

&nbsp;

My guest in this new episode, Dr. Dolly Chugh, got entirely immersed in the story with her two young daughters - so much so that they took a vacation to the places depicted in the story, and her daughters danced around in prairie dresses.

&nbsp;

Dr. Chugh didn't realized until afterward that there was something missing from both Little House on the Prairie and from her family's exploration of the Midwest: settlers didn't arrive to find unoccupied land ready for farming; the government actively removed Native Americans from the land so it could be occupied by 'settlers.'

&nbsp;

Dr. Chugh studies issues related to race as a professor, and yet she completely missed this aspect of our country's history.

&nbsp;

In her new book, A More Just Future, Dr. Chugh asks why so-called Good People act in ways that are counter to their beliefs because we don't have all the information we need, or we prioritize some information over others.

&nbsp;

In our conversation we discussed this research, and what we can all do to take actions that are aligned with our values - even when we're new to working on social justice issues.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Dolly Chugh Book:</strong></h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3D8adV7" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A more just future: Reckoning with our past and driving social change.</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></h3>
(09:13) 3 ways that we tend to perceive ourselves.

(12:02) People who are trying to avoid a loss are more likely to make less ethical choices than people trying to make a game.

(14:35) Kahneman and Tversky's work that says how you frame something can have meaningful consequences, even if the thing you're framing is exactly the same.

(15:06) So that’s all the research of Framing says, and the gain versus loss piece of it says that you can have identical situations. But what the research, Molly Curran and I have shown us that if you frame it as a loss, people are more likely to cheat.

(28:51) James Loewen has done some, some deep analyses of textbooks where he's, you know, God bless him spent two years he took like the 20 most popular history textbooks used in American high schools.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>References</strong></h3>
Blunt, A., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2005). Project systems of procrastinators: A personal project-analytic and action control perspective. Personality and Individual Differences 38(8), 1771-1780.

<hr />

Fee, R.L., &amp; Tangney, J.P. (2000). Procrastination: A means of avoiding shame or guilt? Journal of social behavior and personality 15(5), 167-184.

<hr />

Gilbert, D.T., Wilson, T.D., Pinel, E.C., Blumberg, S.J., &amp; Wheatley, T.P. (1998). Immune neglect: A source of durability bias in affective forecasting. Personality and Social Psychology 75(3), 617-638.

<hr />

Kim, K., del Carmen Triana, M., Chung, K., &amp; Oh, N. (2015). When do employees cyberloaf? An interactionist perspective examining personality, justice, and empowerment. Human Resource Management 55(6), 1041-1058.

<hr />

Sirois, F.M., Melia-Gordon, M.L., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2003). “I’ll look after my health, later”: An investigation of procrastination and health. Personality and Individual Differences 35(5), 1167-1184.

<hr />

Sirois, F.M., &amp; Pychyl, T. (2013). Procrastination and the priority of short-term mood regulation: Consequences for future self. Social and Personality Psychology Compass 7(2), 115-127.

<hr />

Wohl, M.J.A., Pychyl, T.A., &amp; Bennett, S.H. (2010). I forgive myself, now I can study: how self-forgiveness for procrastination can reduce future procrastination. Personality and Individual Differences 48, 803-808.

<hr />

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Did you read Little House on the Prairie when you were a child? I didn't, but I know it's a common American rite of passage.

&nbsp;

My guest in this new episode, Dr. Dolly Chugh, got entirely immersed in the story with her two young daughters - so much so that they took a vacation to the places depicted in the story, and her daughters danced around in prairie dresses.

&nbsp;

Dr. Chugh didn't realized until afterward that there was something missing from both Little House on the Prairie and from her family's exploration of the Midwest: settlers didn't arrive to find unoccupied land ready for farming; the government actively removed Native Americans from the land so it could be occupied by 'settlers.'

&nbsp;

Dr. Chugh studies issues related to race as a professor, and yet she completely missed this aspect of our country's history.

&nbsp;

In her new book, A More Just Future, Dr. Chugh asks why so-called Good People act in ways that are counter to their beliefs because we don't have all the information we need, or we prioritize some information over others.

&nbsp;

In our conversation we discussed this research, and what we can all do to take actions that are aligned with our values - even when we're new to working on social justice issues.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Dolly Chugh Book:</strong></h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3D8adV7" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A more just future: Reckoning with our past and driving social change.</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></h3>
(09:13) 3 ways that we tend to perceive ourselves.

(12:02) People who are trying to avoid a loss are more likely to make less ethical choices than people trying to make a game.

(14:35) Kahneman and Tversky's work that says how you frame something can have meaningful consequences, even if the thing you're framing is exactly the same.

(15:06) So that’s all the research of Framing says, and the gain versus loss piece of it says that you can have identical situations. But what the research, Molly Curran and I have shown us that if you frame it as a loss, people are more likely to cheat.

(28:51) James Loewen has done some, some deep analyses of textbooks where he's, you know, God bless him spent two years he took like the 20 most popular history textbooks used in American high schools.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>References</strong></h3>
Blunt, A., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2005). Project systems of procrastinators: A personal project-analytic and action control perspective. Personality and Individual Differences 38(8), 1771-1780.

<hr />

Fee, R.L., &amp; Tangney, J.P. (2000). Procrastination: A means of avoiding shame or guilt? Journal of social behavior and personality 15(5), 167-184.

<hr />

Gilbert, D.T., Wilson, T.D., Pinel, E.C., Blumberg, S.J., &amp; Wheatley, T.P. (1998). Immune neglect: A source of durability bias in affective forecasting. Personality and Social Psychology 75(3), 617-638.

<hr />

Kim, K., del Carmen Triana, M., Chung, K., &amp; Oh, N. (2015). When do employees cyberloaf? An interactionist perspective examining personality, justice, and empowerment. Human Resource Management 55(6), 1041-1058.

<hr />

Sirois, F.M., Melia-Gordon, M.L., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2003). “I’ll look after my health, later”: An investigation of procrastination and health. Personality and Individual Differences 35(5), 1167-1184.

<hr />

Sirois, F.M., &amp; Pychyl, T. (2013). Procrastination and the priority of short-term mood regulation: Consequences for future self. Social and Personality Psychology Compass 7(2), 115-127.

<hr />

Wohl, M.J.A., Pychyl, T.A., &amp; Bennett, S.H. (2010). I forgive myself, now I can study: how self-forgiveness for procrastination can reduce future procrastination. Personality and Individual Differences 48, 803-808.

<hr />

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/amorejustfuture]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">195b1b03-3189-4bd6-99f3-26c335e6fe91</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7386ff79-006e-4648-8e1c-49c3efd12c29/Dolly-Chugh-A-more-just-future-v2.mp3" length="61162802" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/bc4ce80c-ca57-4b5b-a17a-973f80777db6/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>170: How to stop procrastinating with Dr. Fuschia Sirois</title><itunes:title>170: How to stop procrastinating with Dr. Fuschia Sirois</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this episode, we explore procrastination—why it happens, its effects on our well-being, and practical solutions. Whether you struggle with putting things off, worry about your child developing this habit, or just want to understand the psychology behind it, this episode delivers valuable insights.

&nbsp;

Our guest, Dr. Fuschia Sirois from Durham University, brings over 20 years of research on procrastination to our conversation. She reveals the emotional foundations of procrastination and offers practical strategies for both parents and children. Dr. Sirois is the author of <em>Procrastination: What it is, why it’s a problem, and what you can do about it</em>.

&nbsp;
<h2>What is Procrastination?</h2>
Not all delays qualify as procrastination. Dr. Sirois defines it as unnecessarily and voluntarily delaying a task we intend to complete—despite knowing the negative consequences. This behavior stems from self-regulation challenges, where emotions like anxiety or fear of failure lead us to avoid important tasks.

&nbsp;

Our culture says that people procrastinate because they're disorganized and lazy. After all, how hard can it really be to do a task you've committed to doing, and one that you even know will benefit you?!

&nbsp;

But I learned through this episode that procrastination isn't about disorganization or laziness at all – it's much more about managing how we feel about tasks – and we can learn how to do this more effectively.

&nbsp;

Those of us who don't struggle with procrastination can also do quite a bit to support the folks who do, to make it easier for them to get stuck in and be successful at the task.

<strong> </strong>
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What distinguishes procrastination from simple delay?</strong>

Procrastination isn't just delaying tasks – it's specifically postponing despite knowing negative consequences will follow. True procrastination involves three key elements:
<ul>
 	<li>We delay starting or completing important tasks</li>
 	<li>We recognize this delay will worsen our situation</li>
 	<li>We choose immediate comfort over long-term goals</li>
</ul><br/>
Strategic delay can be beneficial, but procrastination behaviors undermine our intentions and increase stress levels.

&nbsp;

<strong>How prevalent is procrastination?</strong>

Procrastination statistics show this habit affects millions. Approximately 20% of adults identify as chronic procrastinators. Among college students, the numbers climb dramatically:
<ul>
 	<li>80-95% procrastinate regularly on assignments</li>
 	<li>75% consider themselves procrastinators</li>
</ul><br/>
These numbers reveal procrastination isn't a personal flaw but a widespread psychological challenge many people struggle with daily.

&nbsp;

<strong>What impact does procrastination have on our health?</strong>

Chronic procrastination harms both physical and mental wellbeing. Research links procrastination habits to:
<ul>
 	<li>Increased headaches, insomnia, and digestive problems</li>
 	<li>More frequent colds and infections due to weakened immunity</li>
 	<li>Higher anxiety, persistent worry, and shame</li>
 	<li>Greater risk of depression symptoms</li>
</ul><br/>
Procrastination can worsen existing health conditions by delaying important medical care and prevention strategies.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How do emotions influence procrastination?</strong>

Procrastination psychology reveals it's primarily about managing feelings, not time. We delay to avoid negative emotions that tasks trigger, including:
<ul>
 	<li>Anxiety about potential failure</li>
 	<li>Frustration with difficult requirements</li>
 	<li>Boredom with mundane aspects</li>
 	<li>Self-doubt about our abilities</li>
</ul><br/>
This emotional avoidance creates a cycle where procrastination becomes our coping strategy, followed by guilt that makes future procrastination more likely.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Can procrastination ever be positive?</strong>

While typically harmful, some procrastination patterns offer benefits when managed intentionally:
<ul>
 	<li>"Structured procrastination" channels avoiding one task into completing others</li>
 	<li>Brief delays allow creative ideas to develop subconsciously</li>
 	<li>Some people work more efficiently under deadline pressure</li>
</ul><br/>
These positive effects only emerge when procrastination is somewhat controlled and doesn't cause excessive stress.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What strategies help adults and children overcome procrastination?</strong>

Effective Procrastination Solutions for Adults:
<ul>
 	<li>Break overwhelming projects into smaller, manageable steps</li>
 	<li>Create specific implementation intentions ("When X happens, I will do Y")</li>
 	<li>Practice self-compassion instead of harsh self-criticism</li>
 	<li>Use time management techniques like Pomodoro (25 minutes work/5 minutes break)</li>
 	<li>Pair unpleasant tasks with enjoyable activities</li>
</ul><br/>
Helping Children Develop Anti-Procrastination Habits:
<ul>
 	<li>Help them identify emotions around challenging tasks</li>
 	<li>Teach project breakdown skills with visual schedules</li>
 	<li>Model healthy approaches to difficult tasks</li>
 	<li>Celebrate effort and progress, not just results</li>
 	<li>Focus on building capability rather than enforcing compliance</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong> </strong>
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>How sleep procrastination sabotages productivity</strong>

Discover why delaying bedtime despite needing rest creates a harmful cycle that drains energy and impairs your ability to manage tasks, emotions, and decision-making the next day.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why perfectionism triggers procrastination habits</strong>

Learn how impossibly high standards create task avoidance, procrastination cycles, and performance anxiety that prevent you from taking action on important projects.

&nbsp;

<strong>Effective motivation through self-compassion techniques</strong>

Research shows that forgiving yourself for past procrastination significantly reduces future procrastination behavior, while self-criticism actually reinforces procrastination patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>Practical strategies to help children overcome procrastination</strong>

Discover how modeling healthy emotional regulation teaches children valuable skills for approaching challenges, building confidence, and developing lifelong productivity habits.

<strong> </strong>
<h2>Fuschia Sirois' Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3Tl9WTH">Procrastination: What it is, why it’s a problem, and what you can do about it.</a> (Affiliate link)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:04 Definition of procrastination

03:19 The 2 kinds of procrastination and the difference between the two

04:07 How common is procrastination?

08:03 The interconnections between procrastination and people's health

11:04  How can procrastination be linked to stress?

18:01 Bedtime Procrastination and its implication to people's health

21:25 Link then between people's emotional states and procrastination

25:42 The connections between perfectionism and procrastination

29:45 What is active procrastination and is it a good thing?

33:20 Interaction between procrastination and shame

40:42 What can we do to manage our emotions and take on tasks that are important and valuable to us

42:34 How can forgiveness and self-compassion affect procrastination

45:36 What is a paper doll diagram?

48:48 Can children procrastinate and at what age does procrastination start to show up?

50:42 Healthy ways of managing negative emotions

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Anderson, J.H. (2016). Structured nonprocrastination: Scaffolding efforts to resist the temptation to reconstrue unwarranted delay. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.43-63). Academic Press.

<hr />

Blunt, A., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2005). Project systems of procrastinators: A personal project-analytic and action control perspective. Personality and Individual Differences 38(8), 1771-1780.

<hr />

Fee, R.L., &amp; Tangney, J.P. (2000). Procrastination: A means of avoiding shame or guilt? Journal of social behavior and personality 15(5), 167-184.

<hr />

Gilbert, D.T., Wilson, T.D., Pinel, E.C., Blumberg, S.J., &amp; Wheatley, T.P. (1998). Immune neglect: A source of durability bias in affective forecasting. Personality and Social Psychology 75(3), 617-638.

<hr />

Giguere, B., Sirois, F.M., &amp; Vaswani, M. (2016). Delaying things and feeling bad about it?  A norm-based approach to procrastination. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.189-212). Academic Press.

<hr />

Kim, K., del Carmen Triana, M., Chung, K., &amp; Oh, N. (2015). When do employees cyberloaf? An interactionist perspective examining personality, justice, and empowerment. Human Resource Management 55(6), 1041-1058.

<hr />

Kroense, F.M.,Nauts, S., Kamphorst, M.A., Anderson, J.H., &amp; de Ridder, D.T.D. (2016). Bedtime procrastination: A behavioral perspective on sleep insufficiency. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.93-119). Academic Press.

<hr />

Pychyl, T.A., &amp; Sirois, F.M. (2016). Procrastination, emotion regulation, and well-being. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.163-188). Academic Press.

<hr />

Sirois, F.M., Melia-Gordon, M.L., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2003). “I’ll look after my health, later”: An investigation of procrastination and health. Personality and Individual Differences 35(5), 1167-1184.

<hr />

Sirois, F.M. (2016). Procrastination, stress, and chronic health conditions: A temporal perspective. In F....]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, we explore procrastination—why it happens, its effects on our well-being, and practical solutions. Whether you struggle with putting things off, worry about your child developing this habit, or just want to understand the psychology behind it, this episode delivers valuable insights.

&nbsp;

Our guest, Dr. Fuschia Sirois from Durham University, brings over 20 years of research on procrastination to our conversation. She reveals the emotional foundations of procrastination and offers practical strategies for both parents and children. Dr. Sirois is the author of <em>Procrastination: What it is, why it’s a problem, and what you can do about it</em>.

&nbsp;
<h2>What is Procrastination?</h2>
Not all delays qualify as procrastination. Dr. Sirois defines it as unnecessarily and voluntarily delaying a task we intend to complete—despite knowing the negative consequences. This behavior stems from self-regulation challenges, where emotions like anxiety or fear of failure lead us to avoid important tasks.

&nbsp;

Our culture says that people procrastinate because they're disorganized and lazy. After all, how hard can it really be to do a task you've committed to doing, and one that you even know will benefit you?!

&nbsp;

But I learned through this episode that procrastination isn't about disorganization or laziness at all – it's much more about managing how we feel about tasks – and we can learn how to do this more effectively.

&nbsp;

Those of us who don't struggle with procrastination can also do quite a bit to support the folks who do, to make it easier for them to get stuck in and be successful at the task.

<strong> </strong>
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What distinguishes procrastination from simple delay?</strong>

Procrastination isn't just delaying tasks – it's specifically postponing despite knowing negative consequences will follow. True procrastination involves three key elements:
<ul>
 	<li>We delay starting or completing important tasks</li>
 	<li>We recognize this delay will worsen our situation</li>
 	<li>We choose immediate comfort over long-term goals</li>
</ul><br/>
Strategic delay can be beneficial, but procrastination behaviors undermine our intentions and increase stress levels.

&nbsp;

<strong>How prevalent is procrastination?</strong>

Procrastination statistics show this habit affects millions. Approximately 20% of adults identify as chronic procrastinators. Among college students, the numbers climb dramatically:
<ul>
 	<li>80-95% procrastinate regularly on assignments</li>
 	<li>75% consider themselves procrastinators</li>
</ul><br/>
These numbers reveal procrastination isn't a personal flaw but a widespread psychological challenge many people struggle with daily.

&nbsp;

<strong>What impact does procrastination have on our health?</strong>

Chronic procrastination harms both physical and mental wellbeing. Research links procrastination habits to:
<ul>
 	<li>Increased headaches, insomnia, and digestive problems</li>
 	<li>More frequent colds and infections due to weakened immunity</li>
 	<li>Higher anxiety, persistent worry, and shame</li>
 	<li>Greater risk of depression symptoms</li>
</ul><br/>
Procrastination can worsen existing health conditions by delaying important medical care and prevention strategies.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How do emotions influence procrastination?</strong>

Procrastination psychology reveals it's primarily about managing feelings, not time. We delay to avoid negative emotions that tasks trigger, including:
<ul>
 	<li>Anxiety about potential failure</li>
 	<li>Frustration with difficult requirements</li>
 	<li>Boredom with mundane aspects</li>
 	<li>Self-doubt about our abilities</li>
</ul><br/>
This emotional avoidance creates a cycle where procrastination becomes our coping strategy, followed by guilt that makes future procrastination more likely.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Can procrastination ever be positive?</strong>

While typically harmful, some procrastination patterns offer benefits when managed intentionally:
<ul>
 	<li>"Structured procrastination" channels avoiding one task into completing others</li>
 	<li>Brief delays allow creative ideas to develop subconsciously</li>
 	<li>Some people work more efficiently under deadline pressure</li>
</ul><br/>
These positive effects only emerge when procrastination is somewhat controlled and doesn't cause excessive stress.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What strategies help adults and children overcome procrastination?</strong>

Effective Procrastination Solutions for Adults:
<ul>
 	<li>Break overwhelming projects into smaller, manageable steps</li>
 	<li>Create specific implementation intentions ("When X happens, I will do Y")</li>
 	<li>Practice self-compassion instead of harsh self-criticism</li>
 	<li>Use time management techniques like Pomodoro (25 minutes work/5 minutes break)</li>
 	<li>Pair unpleasant tasks with enjoyable activities</li>
</ul><br/>
Helping Children Develop Anti-Procrastination Habits:
<ul>
 	<li>Help them identify emotions around challenging tasks</li>
 	<li>Teach project breakdown skills with visual schedules</li>
 	<li>Model healthy approaches to difficult tasks</li>
 	<li>Celebrate effort and progress, not just results</li>
 	<li>Focus on building capability rather than enforcing compliance</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong> </strong>
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>How sleep procrastination sabotages productivity</strong>

Discover why delaying bedtime despite needing rest creates a harmful cycle that drains energy and impairs your ability to manage tasks, emotions, and decision-making the next day.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why perfectionism triggers procrastination habits</strong>

Learn how impossibly high standards create task avoidance, procrastination cycles, and performance anxiety that prevent you from taking action on important projects.

&nbsp;

<strong>Effective motivation through self-compassion techniques</strong>

Research shows that forgiving yourself for past procrastination significantly reduces future procrastination behavior, while self-criticism actually reinforces procrastination patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>Practical strategies to help children overcome procrastination</strong>

Discover how modeling healthy emotional regulation teaches children valuable skills for approaching challenges, building confidence, and developing lifelong productivity habits.

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<h2>Fuschia Sirois' Book</h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3Tl9WTH">Procrastination: What it is, why it’s a problem, and what you can do about it.</a> (Affiliate link)

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02:04 Definition of procrastination

03:19 The 2 kinds of procrastination and the difference between the two

04:07 How common is procrastination?

08:03 The interconnections between procrastination and people's health

11:04  How can procrastination be linked to stress?

18:01 Bedtime Procrastination and its implication to people's health

21:25 Link then between people's emotional states and procrastination

25:42 The connections between perfectionism and procrastination

29:45 What is active procrastination and is it a good thing?

33:20 Interaction between procrastination and shame

40:42 What can we do to manage our emotions and take on tasks that are important and valuable to us

42:34 How can forgiveness and self-compassion affect procrastination

45:36 What is a paper doll diagram?

48:48 Can children procrastinate and at what age does procrastination start to show up?

50:42 Healthy ways of managing negative emotions

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<strong>References</strong>

Anderson, J.H. (2016). Structured nonprocrastination: Scaffolding efforts to resist the temptation to reconstrue unwarranted delay. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.43-63). Academic Press.

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Blunt, A., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2005). Project systems of procrastinators: A personal project-analytic and action control perspective. Personality and Individual Differences 38(8), 1771-1780.

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Fee, R.L., &amp; Tangney, J.P. (2000). Procrastination: A means of avoiding shame or guilt? Journal of social behavior and personality 15(5), 167-184.

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Gilbert, D.T., Wilson, T.D., Pinel, E.C., Blumberg, S.J., &amp; Wheatley, T.P. (1998). Immune neglect: A source of durability bias in affective forecasting. Personality and Social Psychology 75(3), 617-638.

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Giguere, B., Sirois, F.M., &amp; Vaswani, M. (2016). Delaying things and feeling bad about it?  A norm-based approach to procrastination. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.189-212). Academic Press.

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Kim, K., del Carmen Triana, M., Chung, K., &amp; Oh, N. (2015). When do employees cyberloaf? An interactionist perspective examining personality, justice, and empowerment. Human Resource Management 55(6), 1041-1058.

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Kroense, F.M.,Nauts, S., Kamphorst, M.A., Anderson, J.H., &amp; de Ridder, D.T.D. (2016). Bedtime procrastination: A behavioral perspective on sleep insufficiency. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.93-119). Academic Press.

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Pychyl, T.A., &amp; Sirois, F.M. (2016). Procrastination, emotion regulation, and well-being. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.163-188). Academic Press.

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Sirois, F.M., Melia-Gordon, M.L., &amp; Pychyl, T.A. (2003). “I’ll look after my health, later”: An investigation of procrastination and health. Personality and Individual Differences 35(5), 1167-1184.

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Sirois, F.M. (2016). Procrastination, stress, and chronic health conditions: A temporal perspective. In F. Sirois and T. Pychyl, (Eds.)., Procrastination, Health, and Well-Being (p.67-92). Academic Press.

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Sirois, F.M., &amp; Pychyl, T. (2013). Procrastination and the priority of short-term mood regulation: Consequences for future self. Social and Personality Psychology Compass 7(2), 115-127.

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Wohl, M.J.A., Pychyl, T.A., &amp; Bennett, S.H. (2010). I forgive myself, now I can study: how self-forgiveness for procrastination can reduce future procrastination. Personality and Individual Differences 48, 803-808.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/procrastination]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9444273f-53de-4109-9fd9-63dbbeec427a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/37e30af0-0317-471a-8038-d1c2c11fc2a7/Edited-Procastination-mixdown-converted.mp3" length="78820923" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>170</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>170</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6da37565-abd0-4c2d-b9da-5c187851e871/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>169: How to take care of yourself first with Liann Jensen</title><itunes:title>169: How to take care of yourself first with Liann Jensen</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Liann did not have an easy entry into motherhood. Her first child’s birth was pretty traumatic; it was followed by a miscarriage and then very quickly by another pregnancy.

And then by COVID.

She was already overwhelmed and then everyone was isolated…and suddenly Liann had a whole lot of anger that she hadn’t seen before. She didn’t think things could be more difficult than they were in the immediate postpartum period…and then they were.

Her toddler, Hewitt, resented the new baby: Liann would be sitting on the couch nursing the baby and Hewitt is rolling on the floor shouting “NO BABY! NO BABY!”

Transitions weren’t a problem before, but now they couldn’t make it out the door to go anywhere.

Liann doesn’t deny that she was looking for a quick fix. She wanted Hewitt’s difficult behavior to stop, so she could stop feeling so freaking angry.

She listened to a few of my podcast episodes and realized that she had no self-compassion. She saw that she could be compassionate toward other people in her life, but she was unable to extend that compassion to herself (and I know she’s not alone here: this is incredibly common among the parents I work with). Every time one of her children had a meltdown it felt like a personal attack on her worth as a person.

It wasn’t a linear path for Liann to see things differently; she initially doubted that the new tools she was learning would be useful. She was out on a hike with them when they started whining and she realized they were tired and hungry…and so was she…but how did that help?

Then she started to believe that things <em>could</em> be different; that there could be another way. She stopped taking everything so personally, which created space for her to be able to see what her children were asking for, instead of seeing their expression of needs as an attack on her for not having anticipated and met them already.

And she also started to understand her own needs, and how she could meet these in ways that might seem unconventional, and that wouldn’t work for everyone, but they worked for her. And that’s the important thing: it doesn’t matter whether the solution they came up with would work for anyone else, just like the solutions that will work for you and your child might not work for anyone else. What matters is that they work for the two of you.

Hear what the solution was that worked for Liann and her son after he’d been demanding that she put him to bed and nobody else - as well as how she’s learned to ask for and accept help from friends, and how she’s no longer fazed by a baby who has covered every inch of themselves and their crib with poop.

Liann experienced a number of non-cognitive shifts as she went through the Taming Your Triggers workshop, which is where you don’t just believe something different to be true in your head, but that you take it on in your entire body as well. At that point you no longer have to constantly remind yourself about what you’re supposed to do in difficult moments, because the knowledge isn’t just in your head - it’s in your body as well. Then it becomes part of the fabric of how you live your life with your child.

We can’t know when and how these will happen, but I will say that almost everyone I’ve seen really apply themselves in the workshop does experience a non-cognitive shift of some kind, and it isn’t always what they were expecting it to be about, but it does help them to see things in a different way, which opens up space for them to meet their child’s needs and their own needs as well.

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:21 Getting to know Liann's family dynamic

04:08 The difficulties Liann experienced in her early journey as a parent, including postpartum depression

05:32 Liann felt overwhelmed by his son's constant expression of "big feelings."

06:32 What inspired Liann to sign up for the Taming Your Triggers workshop after listening to Jen’s podcast episode entitled "Patriarchy is Perpetuated Through Parenting."

10:52 Lian's explorations into learning her family's needs and her own needs

15:12 Ways Lian started to see her needs as equally as important as her child's needs

16:10 The process that Lian and her partner used to overcome their son's difficulties with bedtime

19:49 Our child learns that we all have the right to set boundaries about what feels right to us and that they have the right to do that too

21:51 By being honest with herself, Lian was able to show self-compassion towards her sister during a difficult situation

25:33 The positive impact of the community on Lian and her family

30:03 Liann felt her need wasn’t important because of the White supremacy that showed up in her family of origin

33:03 The practices that Lian does to break the cycle of White supremacy in her family

38:42 How a non-cognitive shift can help us progress in any work we do

41:15 The funny poop story of Liann’s child, and her response at that moment, which she hadn’t seen in herself before

45:32 Big shift that Liann manifests when her need for rest is met]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Liann did not have an easy entry into motherhood. Her first child’s birth was pretty traumatic; it was followed by a miscarriage and then very quickly by another pregnancy.

And then by COVID.

She was already overwhelmed and then everyone was isolated…and suddenly Liann had a whole lot of anger that she hadn’t seen before. She didn’t think things could be more difficult than they were in the immediate postpartum period…and then they were.

Her toddler, Hewitt, resented the new baby: Liann would be sitting on the couch nursing the baby and Hewitt is rolling on the floor shouting “NO BABY! NO BABY!”

Transitions weren’t a problem before, but now they couldn’t make it out the door to go anywhere.

Liann doesn’t deny that she was looking for a quick fix. She wanted Hewitt’s difficult behavior to stop, so she could stop feeling so freaking angry.

She listened to a few of my podcast episodes and realized that she had no self-compassion. She saw that she could be compassionate toward other people in her life, but she was unable to extend that compassion to herself (and I know she’s not alone here: this is incredibly common among the parents I work with). Every time one of her children had a meltdown it felt like a personal attack on her worth as a person.

It wasn’t a linear path for Liann to see things differently; she initially doubted that the new tools she was learning would be useful. She was out on a hike with them when they started whining and she realized they were tired and hungry…and so was she…but how did that help?

Then she started to believe that things <em>could</em> be different; that there could be another way. She stopped taking everything so personally, which created space for her to be able to see what her children were asking for, instead of seeing their expression of needs as an attack on her for not having anticipated and met them already.

And she also started to understand her own needs, and how she could meet these in ways that might seem unconventional, and that wouldn’t work for everyone, but they worked for her. And that’s the important thing: it doesn’t matter whether the solution they came up with would work for anyone else, just like the solutions that will work for you and your child might not work for anyone else. What matters is that they work for the two of you.

Hear what the solution was that worked for Liann and her son after he’d been demanding that she put him to bed and nobody else - as well as how she’s learned to ask for and accept help from friends, and how she’s no longer fazed by a baby who has covered every inch of themselves and their crib with poop.

Liann experienced a number of non-cognitive shifts as she went through the Taming Your Triggers workshop, which is where you don’t just believe something different to be true in your head, but that you take it on in your entire body as well. At that point you no longer have to constantly remind yourself about what you’re supposed to do in difficult moments, because the knowledge isn’t just in your head - it’s in your body as well. Then it becomes part of the fabric of how you live your life with your child.

We can’t know when and how these will happen, but I will say that almost everyone I’ve seen really apply themselves in the workshop does experience a non-cognitive shift of some kind, and it isn’t always what they were expecting it to be about, but it does help them to see things in a different way, which opens up space for them to meet their child’s needs and their own needs as well.

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

the Taming Your Triggers workshop will help you make this shift.

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

Click the banner to learn more!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:21 Getting to know Liann's family dynamic

04:08 The difficulties Liann experienced in her early journey as a parent, including postpartum depression

05:32 Liann felt overwhelmed by his son's constant expression of "big feelings."

06:32 What inspired Liann to sign up for the Taming Your Triggers workshop after listening to Jen’s podcast episode entitled "Patriarchy is Perpetuated Through Parenting."

10:52 Lian's explorations into learning her family's needs and her own needs

15:12 Ways Lian started to see her needs as equally as important as her child's needs

16:10 The process that Lian and her partner used to overcome their son's difficulties with bedtime

19:49 Our child learns that we all have the right to set boundaries about what feels right to us and that they have the right to do that too

21:51 By being honest with herself, Lian was able to show self-compassion towards her sister during a difficult situation

25:33 The positive impact of the community on Lian and her family

30:03 Liann felt her need wasn’t important because of the White supremacy that showed up in her family of origin

33:03 The practices that Lian does to break the cycle of White supremacy in her family

38:42 How a non-cognitive shift can help us progress in any work we do

41:15 The funny poop story of Liann’s child, and her response at that moment, which she hadn’t seen in herself before

45:32 Big shift that Liann manifests when her need for rest is met]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/liann]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">95cc6bd5-ec67-44fc-870e-2f6e39458db9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/79f53c1f-0bec-4f0d-a511-1ca4432e9de2/Liann-20Testimonial-converted.mp3" length="75916945" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/ee2c07e9-04e1-4140-9661-2a3bd6a5c174/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>168: Feeling Triggered by Current Events</title><itunes:title>168: Feeling Triggered by Current Events</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">I know it can be really difficult to navigate all the events happening in the world today.  It seems like things are falling apart, with wars, climate change-caused drought and wildfires in some areas and flooding in others, with hunger not following far behind.  And things aren’t any better on the political front either.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">When difficult things happen out there in the world, they spill over into our relationships with our children.  We suddenly find ourselves snapping at them far more easily than usual.  The things they do that are normally mildly irritating now push us to the limit, and we end up reacting to them in ways that we don’t like.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode we discuss the reasons why you feel emotionally yanked around by things that are happening out there in the wider world, as well as by the ways these things are discussed online and in our families as well.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">We look at the tools you can use to regulate your emotions when this happens…but also that regulating your emotions and then voting to express your feelings about how the world should be isn’t going to make a meaningful difference.  We learn tools you can use instead to create a sense of autonomy, which reduces stress and also change the circumstances themselves so they are less triggering in the future.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">If you know you need support with your triggered feelings, whether these are related to:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Events that are going in in the wider world</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Seeing discussion of those events online or hearing about them from family members or friends</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Traumatic events that you experienced in your childhood</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Events in your childhood that you don’t think of as traumatic, and yet left marks on you</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Difficulties you’re having now</span></li></ul><br/>
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<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/"><span style="font-weight: 400">No Self, No Problem</span></a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mutualaid/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Mutual Aid</span></a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:08 Societal factors that make us feel triggered

03:15 The Yerkes-Dodson law describes the empirical relationship between stress and performance

04:53 Broadhurst’s research has made it possible to see stress as a positive thing

07:12 A moderate amount of stress, time pressure and role conflict can all enhance your creativity

09:09 How feeling triggered is connected to our trauma in the past

11:50 Techniques to cope with stress when triggered by a trauma

12:50 What will you get out of the Taming Your Triggers workshop

13:25 Our brains spend a good deal of the time telling stories about what's happening to us

16:09 Why do we create new threats in our brain

18:49 Why dealing with our child's emotions can be difficult enough when we are completely present and capable

21:34 The value of mindfulness in dealing with an oppressive society

22:27 How Mutual Aid group work for people who need help with the system

24:26 Ways we can work together with others to bring the changes we want to see

27:35 The small wins of the Gay Rights Movement

33:22 The success story of two parents in the Taming Your Triggers community who help each other on their healing journey

36:27 Invitation to join the Taming Your Triggers workshop

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<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Broadhurst, P.L. (1957). Emotionality and the Yerkes-Dodson Law. Journal of Experimental Psychology 54(5), 345-352. </span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Byron, K., Khazanchi, S., &amp; Nazarian, D. (2010). The relationship between stressors and creativity: A meta-analysis examining competing theoretical models. Journal of Applied Psychology 95(1), 201-212.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Cole, L. W. (1911). The relation of strength of stimulus to rate of learning in the chick. </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">Journal of Animal Behavior</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">1</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">(2), 111.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Corbett, M. (2015). From law to folklore: Work stress and the Yerkes-Dodson Law. Journal of Managerial Psychology 30(6), 741-752.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Corbett, M. (2013). Cold comfort firm: Lean organization and the empirical mirage of the comfort zone. Culture and Organization 19(5), 413-429.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Dodson, J. D. (1915). The relation of strength of stimulus to rapidity of habit-formation in the kitten. </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">Journal of Animal Behavior</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">5</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">(4), 330.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">U.S. Department of Justice (2016). Five things about violence against American Indian and Alaska Native women and men. Author. Retrieved from: </span><a href="https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/249815.pdf"><span style="font-weight: 400">https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/249815.pdf</span></a>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Weick, K.E. (1984). Small wins: Redefining the scale of social problems. American Psychologist 39(1), 40-49.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Yerkes, R.M., &amp; Dodson, J.D. (1908). The relation of strength of stimulus to rapidity of habit formation. Journal of Comparative Neurology of Psychology 18(5), 459-482.</span>

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&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">When difficult things happen out there in the world, they spill over into our relationships with our children.  We suddenly find ourselves snapping at them far more easily than usual.  The things they do that are normally mildly irritating now push us to the limit, and we end up reacting to them in ways that we don’t like.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode we discuss the reasons why you feel emotionally yanked around by things that are happening out there in the wider world, as well as by the ways these things are discussed online and in our families as well.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">We look at the tools you can use to regulate your emotions when this happens…but also that regulating your emotions and then voting to express your feelings about how the world should be isn’t going to make a meaningful difference.  We learn tools you can use instead to create a sense of autonomy, which reduces stress and also change the circumstances themselves so they are less triggering in the future.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">If you know you need support with your triggered feelings, whether these are related to:</span>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Events that are going in in the wider world</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Seeing discussion of those events online or hearing about them from family members or friends</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Traumatic events that you experienced in your childhood</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Events in your childhood that you don’t think of as traumatic, and yet left marks on you</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Difficulties you’re having now</span></li></ul><br/>
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<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/"><span style="font-weight: 400">No Self, No Problem</span></a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mutualaid/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Mutual Aid</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:08 Societal factors that make us feel triggered

03:15 The Yerkes-Dodson law describes the empirical relationship between stress and performance

04:53 Broadhurst’s research has made it possible to see stress as a positive thing

07:12 A moderate amount of stress, time pressure and role conflict can all enhance your creativity

09:09 How feeling triggered is connected to our trauma in the past

11:50 Techniques to cope with stress when triggered by a trauma

12:50 What will you get out of the Taming Your Triggers workshop

13:25 Our brains spend a good deal of the time telling stories about what's happening to us

16:09 Why do we create new threats in our brain

18:49 Why dealing with our child's emotions can be difficult enough when we are completely present and capable

21:34 The value of mindfulness in dealing with an oppressive society

22:27 How Mutual Aid group work for people who need help with the system

24:26 Ways we can work together with others to bring the changes we want to see

27:35 The small wins of the Gay Rights Movement

33:22 The success story of two parents in the Taming Your Triggers community who help each other on their healing journey

36:27 Invitation to join the Taming Your Triggers workshop

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Broadhurst, P.L. (1957). Emotionality and the Yerkes-Dodson Law. Journal of Experimental Psychology 54(5), 345-352. </span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Byron, K., Khazanchi, S., &amp; Nazarian, D. (2010). The relationship between stressors and creativity: A meta-analysis examining competing theoretical models. Journal of Applied Psychology 95(1), 201-212.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Cole, L. W. (1911). The relation of strength of stimulus to rate of learning in the chick. </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">Journal of Animal Behavior</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">1</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">(2), 111.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Corbett, M. (2015). From law to folklore: Work stress and the Yerkes-Dodson Law. Journal of Managerial Psychology 30(6), 741-752.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Corbett, M. (2013). Cold comfort firm: Lean organization and the empirical mirage of the comfort zone. Culture and Organization 19(5), 413-429.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Dodson, J. D. (1915). The relation of strength of stimulus to rapidity of habit-formation in the kitten. </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">Journal of Animal Behavior</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">, </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">5</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">(4), 330.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">U.S. Department of Justice (2016). Five things about violence against American Indian and Alaska Native women and men. Author. Retrieved from: </span><a href="https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/249815.pdf"><span style="font-weight: 400">https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/249815.pdf</span></a>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Weick, K.E. (1984). Small wins: Redefining the scale of social problems. American Psychologist 39(1), 40-49.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Yerkes, R.M., &amp; Dodson, J.D. (1908). The relation of strength of stimulus to rapidity of habit formation. Journal of Comparative Neurology of Psychology 18(5), 459-482.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode we finally punch out that lingering </span><a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/17/the-legacy-of-hanging-chads" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400">hanging chad</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> of knowledge and talk with Dean Spade about the concept of mutual aid, which is the topic of his book: </span><a href="http://www.deanspade.net/mutual-aid-building-solidarity-during-this-crisis-and-the-next/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400">Mutual Aid: Building Solidarity in This Crisis (And The Next)</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">.  In this conversation we discuss:</span>

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<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">What is mutual aid, and how it’s more effective than volunteering</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How we heal in community with others from the effects that benign-seeming systems like capitalism have on us</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Ways to find and get involved in mutual aid projects</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">As Dean and I talked, I also realized how applicable these ideas are to the work I do with parents in the Taming Your Triggers workshop.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">It’s not surprising that parents feel triggered by their child’s behavior when you consider the trauma that we’ve experienced.  Even if you had ‘good parents,’ they still raised you to succeed within a system that told you to hide unacceptable parts of yourself so you could be ‘successful’ - which means getting good grades, going to college, getting a good job, buying a house, and raising a family.  And we’re supposed to do all of this by ourselves, without relying on others - because then we’ll need to buy more stuff along the journey.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Our culture uses shame to enforce these rules and keep us in line - that’s why we feel a sense of wrong-ness when we do something that isn’t socially acceptable - like asking for help, for example.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Because these traumas happened in community, they’re most effectively healed in community as well - just as these two parents did when they built on each other’s knowledge in the workshop earlier this year (screenshot shared with permission):</span>

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01:30 Introduction to the episode and guest speaker Dr. Dean Spade

03:24 Definition of Mutual Aid and how it’s different from Charity

08:26 How the history of Social Movement was organized by Mutual Aid

09:54 Montgomery bus boycott is one of the most famous social movement work in the history of the US

15:35 The impacts of having problematic systems and structures in our society on parents

17:16 The challenges that the radical social movement is facing

18:29 How mutual Aid functions during a crisis

23:22 Why it's so essential to create a system of Mutual Aid in which we actually take care of each other and that doesn't destroy people's dignity and humanity

25:53 Why is it important to talk about Mutual Aid now

30:04 How capitalism worsens the condition of our society and why mutual aid is the only way to survive it

35:44 The importance of mutual aid in our well-being and in the society

40:09 What does Mutual Aid look like

44:53 How being involved in Mutual Aid can bring a sense of healing

46:43 Factors in our society that make us feel burnout

48:51 Dr. Spade’s way of recovering from burnout and avoidance

50:35 All powerful social movements for liberation have always been done by people who were living under the worst conditions

51:48 Importance of having a sense of urgency

53:13 Ways we should prepare for each coming emergency

54:37 How to find a Mutual Aid group in your community

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<strong>References</strong>

Blakemore, E. (2018, Feb 6, updated 2021, Jan 29). How the Black Panthers’ breakfast program both inspired and threatened the government. History.com. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.history.com/news/free-school-breakfast-black-panther-party">https://www.history.com/news/free-school-breakfast-black-panther-party</a>

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Clarke, L. (1999). Mission improbable: Using fantasy documents to tame disaster. Chicago: University of Chicago.

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Dominguez, D., Garcia, D., Martinez, D.A., &amp; Hernandez-Arriga, B. (2020). Leveraging the power of mutual aid, coalitions, leadership, and advocacy during COVID-19. Psychology. 67. https://repository.usfca.edu/psyc/67

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Fernando, C. (2021). Mutual aid networks find roots in communities of color. ABC News. Retrieved from: <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mutual-aid-networks-find-roots-communities-color-75403719#:~:text=The%20African%20Union%20Society%20in,denied%20resources%20by%20white%20institutions">https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mutual-aid-networks-find-roots-communities-color-75403719#:~:text=The%20African%20Union%20Society%20in,denied%20resources%20by%20white%20institutions</a>.

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Ginwright, S. (2018, May 31). The future of healing: Shifting from trauma-informed care to healing-centered engagement. Medium. Retrieved from: https://ginwright.medium.com/the-future-of-healing-shifting-from-trauma-informed-care-to-healing-centered-engagement-634f557ce69chooks, b. (1993). Sisters of the yam: Black women and self-recovery. South End Press.

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Kenney, Z. (2019). Solidarity, not charity: Mutual aid in natural disaster relief. Unpublished Master’s Thesis, Northern Arizona University.

<hr />

Klein, N. (2007). The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Picador.

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Kropotkin, P. (1914/2006). Mutual aid: A factor of evolution. Mineola: Dover.

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National Humanities Center (2007). Mutual Benefit. Author. Retrieved from <a href="http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/community/text5/text5read.htm">http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/community/text5/text5read.htm</a>

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Sircar, O. (2022). ‘Mutual aid is present in every crisis’: An interview with Dean Spade. Jindal Global Law Review 13(1), 191-220.

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Spade, D. (2010, October). For those considering law school. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.deanspade.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/For-Those-Considering-Law-School.pdf">http://www.deanspade.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/For-Those-Considering-Law-School.pdf</a>

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Spade, D. (2020). Solidarity not charity: Mutual aid for mobilization and survival. Social Text 142, 131-151.

<hr />

Spade, D. (2020). Mutual aid: Building solidarity during this crisis (and the next). London: Verso.

<hr />

Spade, D. (2021). What is mutual aid? (Classroom version). YouTube. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYPgTZeF5Z0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYPgTZeF5Z0</a>

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Spade, D. (2021-2022)....]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">In this conversation with Dean Spade we resolve a long-running challenge in my understanding: when </span><a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/othering" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400">we talked with Dr. john powell on the topic of Othering and Belonging</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> a couple of years ago we discussed how volunteering promotes othering, because it perpetuates the idea that the volunteer is a person with resources to give, and the recipient has little in the way of useful knowledge or resources of their own.  Dr. powell agreed, but we didn’t have time to discuss what to do instead.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode we finally punch out that lingering </span><a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/17/the-legacy-of-hanging-chads" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400">hanging chad</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> of knowledge and talk with Dean Spade about the concept of mutual aid, which is the topic of his book: </span><a href="http://www.deanspade.net/mutual-aid-building-solidarity-during-this-crisis-and-the-next/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-weight: 400">Mutual Aid: Building Solidarity in This Crisis (And The Next)</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">.  In this conversation we discuss:</span>

&nbsp;
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">What is mutual aid, and how it’s more effective than volunteering</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">How we heal in community with others from the effects that benign-seeming systems like capitalism have on us</span></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><span style="font-weight: 400">Ways to find and get involved in mutual aid projects</span></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">As Dean and I talked, I also realized how applicable these ideas are to the work I do with parents in the Taming Your Triggers workshop.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">It’s not surprising that parents feel triggered by their child’s behavior when you consider the trauma that we’ve experienced.  Even if you had ‘good parents,’ they still raised you to succeed within a system that told you to hide unacceptable parts of yourself so you could be ‘successful’ - which means getting good grades, going to college, getting a good job, buying a house, and raising a family.  And we’re supposed to do all of this by ourselves, without relying on others - because then we’ll need to buy more stuff along the journey.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Our culture uses shame to enforce these rules and keep us in line - that’s why we feel a sense of wrong-ness when we do something that isn’t socially acceptable - like asking for help, for example.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Because these traumas happened in community, they’re most effectively healed in community as well - just as these two parents did when they built on each other’s knowledge in the workshop earlier this year (screenshot shared with permission):</span>

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:30 Introduction to the episode and guest speaker Dr. Dean Spade

03:24 Definition of Mutual Aid and how it’s different from Charity

08:26 How the history of Social Movement was organized by Mutual Aid

09:54 Montgomery bus boycott is one of the most famous social movement work in the history of the US

15:35 The impacts of having problematic systems and structures in our society on parents

17:16 The challenges that the radical social movement is facing

18:29 How mutual Aid functions during a crisis

23:22 Why it's so essential to create a system of Mutual Aid in which we actually take care of each other and that doesn't destroy people's dignity and humanity

25:53 Why is it important to talk about Mutual Aid now

30:04 How capitalism worsens the condition of our society and why mutual aid is the only way to survive it

35:44 The importance of mutual aid in our well-being and in the society

40:09 What does Mutual Aid look like

44:53 How being involved in Mutual Aid can bring a sense of healing

46:43 Factors in our society that make us feel burnout

48:51 Dr. Spade’s way of recovering from burnout and avoidance

50:35 All powerful social movements for liberation have always been done by people who were living under the worst conditions

51:48 Importance of having a sense of urgency

53:13 Ways we should prepare for each coming emergency

54:37 How to find a Mutual Aid group in your community

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Blakemore, E. (2018, Feb 6, updated 2021, Jan 29). How the Black Panthers’ breakfast program both inspired and threatened the government. History.com. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.history.com/news/free-school-breakfast-black-panther-party">https://www.history.com/news/free-school-breakfast-black-panther-party</a>

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Clarke, L. (1999). Mission improbable: Using fantasy documents to tame disaster. Chicago: University of Chicago.

<hr />

Dominguez, D., Garcia, D., Martinez, D.A., &amp; Hernandez-Arriga, B. (2020). Leveraging the power of mutual aid, coalitions, leadership, and advocacy during COVID-19. Psychology. 67. https://repository.usfca.edu/psyc/67

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Fernando, C. (2021). Mutual aid networks find roots in communities of color. ABC News. Retrieved from: <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mutual-aid-networks-find-roots-communities-color-75403719#:~:text=The%20African%20Union%20Society%20in,denied%20resources%20by%20white%20institutions">https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mutual-aid-networks-find-roots-communities-color-75403719#:~:text=The%20African%20Union%20Society%20in,denied%20resources%20by%20white%20institutions</a>.

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Ginwright, S. (2018, May 31). The future of healing: Shifting from trauma-informed care to healing-centered engagement. Medium. Retrieved from: https://ginwright.medium.com/the-future-of-healing-shifting-from-trauma-informed-care-to-healing-centered-engagement-634f557ce69chooks, b. (1993). Sisters of the yam: Black women and self-recovery. South End Press.

<hr />

Kenney, Z. (2019). Solidarity, not charity: Mutual aid in natural disaster relief. Unpublished Master’s Thesis, Northern Arizona University.

<hr />

Klein, N. (2007). The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Picador.

<hr />

Kropotkin, P. (1914/2006). Mutual aid: A factor of evolution. Mineola: Dover.

<hr />

National Humanities Center (2007). Mutual Benefit. Author. Retrieved from <a href="http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/community/text5/text5read.htm">http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/community/text5/text5read.htm</a>

<hr />

Sircar, O. (2022). ‘Mutual aid is present in every crisis’: An interview with Dean Spade. Jindal Global Law Review 13(1), 191-220.

<hr />

Spade, D. (2010, October). For those considering law school. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.deanspade.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/For-Those-Considering-Law-School.pdf">http://www.deanspade.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/For-Those-Considering-Law-School.pdf</a>

<hr />

Spade, D. (2020). Solidarity not charity: Mutual aid for mobilization and survival. Social Text 142, 131-151.

<hr />

Spade, D. (2020). Mutual aid: Building solidarity during this crisis (and the next). London: Verso.

<hr />

Spade, D. (2021). What is mutual aid? (Classroom version). YouTube. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYPgTZeF5Z0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYPgTZeF5Z0</a>

<hr />

Spade, D. (2021-2022). Workshop series: Building capacity for mutual aid. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.deanspade.net/category/video/">https://www.deanspade.net/category/video/</a> (see link for four workshops in the series, including separate presentation slides, results from live polls, and additional resources)

<hr />

Steinberg, T. (2006). Acts of God: The unnatural history of natural disaster in America. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

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The Praxis Project (n.d.). Centering community in public health: Recognizing healing-centered community practices as a complement to trauma-informed interventions and services. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5bf21032b98a7888bf3b6e21/t/5f36efa82e32e91a7703b80d/1597435824760/LC1+Brief+-+Healing.pdf">https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5bf21032b98a7888bf3b6e21/t/5f36efa82e32e91a7703b80d/1597435824760/LC1+Brief+-+Healing.pdf</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/mutualaid]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a0472a1c-8a4b-4e3e-a899-d527f3e2a87d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/600447bf-eaaf-49a3-aa8c-d36569b26b3d/Mutual-20Aid.mp3" length="84108392" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/2bdc0320-8a77-4f5c-9ab5-54b5b4f8c412/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>166: Learning to trust your child – and yourself</title><itunes:title>166: Learning to trust your child – and yourself</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Claire had used respectful parenting methods since her children were babies, so child-led learning seemed like a natural fit for her.  She protected her toddler’s free play time and involved her in household chores and nature walks.

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Claire attended school as a child (just like I did!); she even enjoyed elementary school. By high school she didn’t see the relevance between what she was being taught and the things she was interested in - by that time her biggest lessons came from extracurricular art classes with mostly retired classmates at an art school, and from a theater production which she and other students put on entirely by themselves - getting advice from teachers, but messing up and fixing their mistakes by themselves.

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It was the art classes and theater experiences that shaped the kind of learning that Claire wanted for her child, so she got herself pretty worked up over the idea of her oldest daughter attending public school.  It was actually joining my Learning Membership that helped her see that if she did need to put her daughter in school someday, they would still be able to find ways to support her at home.  Whichever way that turned out, she and her daughter would be OK.

&nbsp;

And in the meantime, her daughter had transitioned from the simpler questions of two to the more complex, involved questions of three.  Her new sibling was born, and her writing explorations proceeded in parallel with figuring out her place in the newly expanded family: suddenly she’s highly motivated to write a sign saying: NO BABIES ALLOWED.

&nbsp;

Not only has Claire seen her child’s learning develop, but she’s also seeing her own growth as a person and as a parent.  Having arrived at the decision to homeschool from a place of fear and defensiveness, which she would have to justify to her extended family who are teachers, she now feels confident that homeschooling is the right fit for her family <em>right now</em> - even though that may change in the future.

&nbsp;

And - more importantly - she has reimagined her role in the homeschooling relationship.  She now knows she doesn’t need to high-tail it for the library the moment her daughter expresses an interest in a new subject - she can sit back and observe and see what her daughter is really learning…and then go to the library if that’s the most appropriate thing to do.  Claire is becoming her daughter’s <em>guide on the side</em> who takes cues from her learner, rather than the <em>sage on the stage</em> who takes advantage of every Teachable Moment to impart a lesson.

&nbsp;

Now Claire feels much more relaxed about her daughter’s learning, because she trusts her daughter - and she trusts herself. Claire had spent a lot of her own early years feeling uncomfortable, and searching for belonging.  She figured that if she just pushed herself harder, and beat herself up when things went wrong, that eventually she would be good enough.  That she would finally stop feeling ashamed of herself, and fit in.

&nbsp;

Now she sees that you can’t teach a child to be compassionate.  The way our children learn compassion is by seeing us being compassionate with them - and with ourselves.  So Claire is reparenting herself at the same time as she’s supporting her child’s learning.

&nbsp;

Claire is in the Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership, which doesn’t offer a curriculum.It doesn’t tell you what activities to do when, or give a checklist of learning goals for you to fill out.Instead, it helps you to:
<ul><li>See learning where it’s already happening</li><li>Provide just the right amount and type of support to help your child direct their own learning (and ALL children are capable of doing this; even the ones with diagnoses, and even the ones who can’t focus at school)</li><li>Bolster skills like critical thinking, full-bodied learning, and metacognition, that they can use to learn ANY new idea or skill they like.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Learning Membership</h2>
If you need this help so you can support your own child’s learning, I’d love to meet you in the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a>. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

03:07 Invitation to join the Supporting Your Child Learning Membership

03:50 What life in a homestead is like for Claire's family

05:43 How does their way of life show out in her child

07:07 Ways that Claire support her child’s learning prior joining the membership

09:17 Claire's lack of connection to what she was studying in school

10:09 How her passion for art continues to influence Claire’s life today

11:39 Getting community support for Claire help her a lot in embarking her journey in the membership

12:58 Claire's thoughts and difficulties she encountered when she began the first module

14:53 Claire’s learning explorations with her child’s interest in letters and writing

16:20 How Claire's daughter uses writing to express her feelings about their relationship

17:49 Claire’s positive and negative feelings when she first started homeschooling her child

19:10 Our education system is failing because we compel teachers to work inside a system that does not work for children.

21:42 Claire's methods for supporting her child in discovering what she is truly interested in

24:36 Listening to our child with the idea that we might be the one who comes out of experience changed

26:45 Ways we help our children explore what they already know and considering their needs and interests to be worthy

28:16 Claire's daughter shows an interest in experiments and independently determining the next steps she needs.

32:05 Claire can foresee herself in the future just being guide on the side

35:42 Claire's journey to trusting herself and her child with the help of her community

38:50 What it’s like having self-compassion with our child]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Claire had used respectful parenting methods since her children were babies, so child-led learning seemed like a natural fit for her.  She protected her toddler’s free play time and involved her in household chores and nature walks.

&nbsp;

Claire attended school as a child (just like I did!); she even enjoyed elementary school. By high school she didn’t see the relevance between what she was being taught and the things she was interested in - by that time her biggest lessons came from extracurricular art classes with mostly retired classmates at an art school, and from a theater production which she and other students put on entirely by themselves - getting advice from teachers, but messing up and fixing their mistakes by themselves.

&nbsp;

It was the art classes and theater experiences that shaped the kind of learning that Claire wanted for her child, so she got herself pretty worked up over the idea of her oldest daughter attending public school.  It was actually joining my Learning Membership that helped her see that if she did need to put her daughter in school someday, they would still be able to find ways to support her at home.  Whichever way that turned out, she and her daughter would be OK.

&nbsp;

And in the meantime, her daughter had transitioned from the simpler questions of two to the more complex, involved questions of three.  Her new sibling was born, and her writing explorations proceeded in parallel with figuring out her place in the newly expanded family: suddenly she’s highly motivated to write a sign saying: NO BABIES ALLOWED.

&nbsp;

Not only has Claire seen her child’s learning develop, but she’s also seeing her own growth as a person and as a parent.  Having arrived at the decision to homeschool from a place of fear and defensiveness, which she would have to justify to her extended family who are teachers, she now feels confident that homeschooling is the right fit for her family <em>right now</em> - even though that may change in the future.

&nbsp;

And - more importantly - she has reimagined her role in the homeschooling relationship.  She now knows she doesn’t need to high-tail it for the library the moment her daughter expresses an interest in a new subject - she can sit back and observe and see what her daughter is really learning…and then go to the library if that’s the most appropriate thing to do.  Claire is becoming her daughter’s <em>guide on the side</em> who takes cues from her learner, rather than the <em>sage on the stage</em> who takes advantage of every Teachable Moment to impart a lesson.

&nbsp;

Now Claire feels much more relaxed about her daughter’s learning, because she trusts her daughter - and she trusts herself. Claire had spent a lot of her own early years feeling uncomfortable, and searching for belonging.  She figured that if she just pushed herself harder, and beat herself up when things went wrong, that eventually she would be good enough.  That she would finally stop feeling ashamed of herself, and fit in.

&nbsp;

Now she sees that you can’t teach a child to be compassionate.  The way our children learn compassion is by seeing us being compassionate with them - and with ourselves.  So Claire is reparenting herself at the same time as she’s supporting her child’s learning.

&nbsp;

Claire is in the Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership, which doesn’t offer a curriculum.It doesn’t tell you what activities to do when, or give a checklist of learning goals for you to fill out.Instead, it helps you to:
<ul><li>See learning where it’s already happening</li><li>Provide just the right amount and type of support to help your child direct their own learning (and ALL children are capable of doing this; even the ones with diagnoses, and even the ones who can’t focus at school)</li><li>Bolster skills like critical thinking, full-bodied learning, and metacognition, that they can use to learn ANY new idea or skill they like.</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h2>Learning Membership</h2>
If you need this help so you can support your own child’s learning, I’d love to meet you in the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a>. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

03:07 Invitation to join the Supporting Your Child Learning Membership

03:50 What life in a homestead is like for Claire's family

05:43 How does their way of life show out in her child

07:07 Ways that Claire support her child’s learning prior joining the membership

09:17 Claire's lack of connection to what she was studying in school

10:09 How her passion for art continues to influence Claire’s life today

11:39 Getting community support for Claire help her a lot in embarking her journey in the membership

12:58 Claire's thoughts and difficulties she encountered when she began the first module

14:53 Claire’s learning explorations with her child’s interest in letters and writing

16:20 How Claire's daughter uses writing to express her feelings about their relationship

17:49 Claire’s positive and negative feelings when she first started homeschooling her child

19:10 Our education system is failing because we compel teachers to work inside a system that does not work for children.

21:42 Claire's methods for supporting her child in discovering what she is truly interested in

24:36 Listening to our child with the idea that we might be the one who comes out of experience changed

26:45 Ways we help our children explore what they already know and considering their needs and interests to be worthy

28:16 Claire's daughter shows an interest in experiments and independently determining the next steps she needs.

32:05 Claire can foresee herself in the future just being guide on the side

35:42 Claire's journey to trusting herself and her child with the help of her community

38:50 What it’s like having self-compassion with our child]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/claire]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d0ac43bd-12ef-4beb-942b-e039b55a40d2</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d0ac43bd-12ef-4beb-942b-e039b55a40d2.mp3" length="42084610" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>166</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>166</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/70caea35-24b2-43c0-86df-657ab02168ef/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>165: How grit helps (and how it doesn’t)</title><itunes:title>165: How grit helps (and how it doesn’t)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[At the beginning of our stay at a friend’s house in Oregon six weeks ago, my eight-year-old daughter Carys had biked a flat mile on a mountain biking trail; when we got to a very slight incline she made it 20 feet further and then it all fell apart. She whined; she cried; she refused to go on. Later in the day, after we had both calmed down, we discussed the idea of Doing Hard Things, and we ultimately both agreed that we wanted to improve our mountain biking skills this summer.

&nbsp;

She has done both a beginner and an intermediate level bike camp since then and her skills have dramatically improved! We did the Trail of Refusal the weekend after the beginner camp and she made it all the way around the loop, and the only complaining was because our riding companions weren’t going fast enough! (I’ve also been riding a lot - selling my old bike for a good price enabled the purchase of a new, much lighter one and I’m now significantly faster than I was. I may need a skills camp myself next time we’re in town…)

&nbsp;

Professor Angela Duckworth discusses Doing Hard Things in her work on grittiness. A few days ago Listener Jamie, who helped me to prepare to talk with Alfie Kohn several years ago and who co-interviewed Dr. Mona Delahooke with me, sent me an article from The Atlantic that had just popped up in her newsfeed called The Case Against Grit and said “You said the same thing ages ago!”.

&nbsp;

I was pretty sure I did say that, but I decided to check it out. Looking back at something I wrote four years ago has the potential to be pretty scary - my ideas have evolved a lot since then. Does this episode still ring true? Did I miss major issues? I discuss these ideas in a preview to this re-released episode.

&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

03:29 How Grit is intimately connected to White supremacy

04:31 Characteristics of White supremacy in the concept of Grit

05:45 Teaching grittiness seems to be about passing along cultural ideas that we might not agree with

07:55 Raising children with a broad skill set and a self-identified passion are those who have encouraged rather than pushed their children in many interests rather than just one.

11:03 Invitation to join the Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership and You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher workshop

12:20 Understanding what is Grit scale

15:30 Is grit about perseverance and passion

17:15 What it takes to be Grit

22:01 Using effort to overcome potential deficiencies in talent

25:27 Issues in measuring the Grit scale to students in schools

27:09 How could we give students from poor backgrounds a better advantage in school

28:24 Children experience at least two responses to stress

30:01 Understanding the issues of grit in famously successful people

32:21 The 7 virtues of grit

33:42 One of the major purposes of school is to pass on society’s culture and values to the next generation

35:09 The 4 key beliefs that cause a student to persevere more in the classroom

37:04 To whom exactly is grit for

40:15 Why grit might not actually be the secret to success

42:13 Is grit something we want to encourage in our child

43:51 Ways on how you can nurture your child with grit

46:26 What is The Hard Thing Rule

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Crede, M., Tynan, M.C., &amp; Harms, P.D. (2017). Much ado about grit: A meta-analytic synthesis of the grit literature. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 113(3), 492-511.

<hr />

Del Giudice, M. (2014, October 14). Grit trumps talent and IQ: A story every parent (and educator) should read. National Geographic. Retrieved from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141015-angela-duckworth-success-grit-psychology-self-control-science-nginnovators/

<hr />

Denby, D. (2016, June 21). The limits of “grit.” The New Yorker. Retrieved from https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-limits-of-grit

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L., Peterson, C., Matthews, M.D., &amp; Kelly, D.R. (2007). Grit: Perseverance and passion for long-term goals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 92(6), 1087-1101. Full article available at https://www.ronaldreaganhs.org/cms/lib7/WI01001304/Centricity/Domain/187/Grit%20JPSP.pdf

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L., &amp; Yeager, D.S. (2015). Measurement matters: Assessing personal qualities other than cognitive abilities for educational purposes. Educational Researcher 44(4), 237-251.

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. New York, NY: Scribner.

<hr />

Eskreis-Winkler, L., Shulman, E.P., Young, V., Tsukayama, E., Brunwasaser, S.M., &amp; Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Using wise interventions to motivate deliberate practice. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 111(5), 728-744.

<hr />

Farrington, C.A., Roderick, M., Allensworth, E., Nagoka, J., Keyes, T.S., Johnson, D.W., &amp; Beechum, N.O. (2012). Teaching adolescents to become learners: The role of noncognitive factors in shaping school performance: A critical literature review. The University of Chicago Consortium on Chicago School Research. Retrieved from https://consortium.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Noncognitive%20Report.pdf

<hr />

Forsyth, D.R., &amp; Kerr, N.A. (1999, August). <em>Are adaptive illusions adaptive?</em> Poster presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association, Boston, MA.

<hr />

Hannon, B. (2014). Predicting college success: The relative contributions of five social/personality factors, five cognitive/earning factors, and SAT scores.  Journal of Educational and Training Studies 2(4), 46-58.

<hr />

Heckman, J.J. (2013). Giving kids a fair chance (A strategy that works). Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.

<hr />

Kamenetz, A. (2016, May 25). MacArthur ‘genius’ Angela Duckworth responds to a new critique of grit. NPR. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit</a>

<hr />

Kapoor, M.L. (2017, June 27). 12 books expelled from Tucson schools. High Country News. Retrieved from http://www.hcn.org/articles/education-tucsons-mexican-american-studies-ban-goes-back-to-court

<hr />

Kohn, A. (2014). Grit: A skeptical look at the latest educational fad. Author. Retrieved from http://www.alfiekohn.org/article/grit/

<hr />

No byline. (1998, March 15). Weddings; Jason Duckworth, Angela Lee. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/15/style/weddings-jason-duckworth-angela-lee.html

<hr />

Sparks, S.D. (2015, June 2). ‘Nation’s Report Card’ to gather data on grit, mindset. Education Week. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html</a>

<hr />

The Leadership Conference. (2015, May 5). Civil rights groups: “We oppose anti-testing efforts.” Author. Retrieved from https://civilrights.org/civil-rights-groups-we-oppose-anti-testing-efforts/

<hr />

The Learning Project Elementary School. Website. Author. Retrieved from http://www.learningproject.org/

<hr />

The Nation’s Report Card (n.d.). Percentage of fourth-grade students at or above Proficient not significantly different compared to 2013. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4</a>

<hr />

Tough, P. (2016). Helping children succeed: What works and why. Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

<hr />

Useem, J. (2016, May). Is grit overrated: The downsides of dogged, single-minded persistence. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/is-grit-overrated/476397/

<hr />

Zernike, K. (2016, February 29). Testing for joy and grit? Schools nationwide push to measure students’ emotional skills. The New York Times. Retrieved from https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/testing-for-joy-and-grit-schools-nationwide-push-to-measure-students-emotional-skills.html?_r=0]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[At the beginning of our stay at a friend’s house in Oregon six weeks ago, my eight-year-old daughter Carys had biked a flat mile on a mountain biking trail; when we got to a very slight incline she made it 20 feet further and then it all fell apart. She whined; she cried; she refused to go on. Later in the day, after we had both calmed down, we discussed the idea of Doing Hard Things, and we ultimately both agreed that we wanted to improve our mountain biking skills this summer.

&nbsp;

She has done both a beginner and an intermediate level bike camp since then and her skills have dramatically improved! We did the Trail of Refusal the weekend after the beginner camp and she made it all the way around the loop, and the only complaining was because our riding companions weren’t going fast enough! (I’ve also been riding a lot - selling my old bike for a good price enabled the purchase of a new, much lighter one and I’m now significantly faster than I was. I may need a skills camp myself next time we’re in town…)

&nbsp;

Professor Angela Duckworth discusses Doing Hard Things in her work on grittiness. A few days ago Listener Jamie, who helped me to prepare to talk with Alfie Kohn several years ago and who co-interviewed Dr. Mona Delahooke with me, sent me an article from The Atlantic that had just popped up in her newsfeed called The Case Against Grit and said “You said the same thing ages ago!”.

&nbsp;

I was pretty sure I did say that, but I decided to check it out. Looking back at something I wrote four years ago has the potential to be pretty scary - my ideas have evolved a lot since then. Does this episode still ring true? Did I miss major issues? I discuss these ideas in a preview to this re-released episode.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

03:29 How Grit is intimately connected to White supremacy

04:31 Characteristics of White supremacy in the concept of Grit

05:45 Teaching grittiness seems to be about passing along cultural ideas that we might not agree with

07:55 Raising children with a broad skill set and a self-identified passion are those who have encouraged rather than pushed their children in many interests rather than just one.

11:03 Invitation to join the Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership and You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher workshop

12:20 Understanding what is Grit scale

15:30 Is grit about perseverance and passion

17:15 What it takes to be Grit

22:01 Using effort to overcome potential deficiencies in talent

25:27 Issues in measuring the Grit scale to students in schools

27:09 How could we give students from poor backgrounds a better advantage in school

28:24 Children experience at least two responses to stress

30:01 Understanding the issues of grit in famously successful people

32:21 The 7 virtues of grit

33:42 One of the major purposes of school is to pass on society’s culture and values to the next generation

35:09 The 4 key beliefs that cause a student to persevere more in the classroom

37:04 To whom exactly is grit for

40:15 Why grit might not actually be the secret to success

42:13 Is grit something we want to encourage in our child

43:51 Ways on how you can nurture your child with grit

46:26 What is The Hard Thing Rule

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Crede, M., Tynan, M.C., &amp; Harms, P.D. (2017). Much ado about grit: A meta-analytic synthesis of the grit literature. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 113(3), 492-511.

<hr />

Del Giudice, M. (2014, October 14). Grit trumps talent and IQ: A story every parent (and educator) should read. National Geographic. Retrieved from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141015-angela-duckworth-success-grit-psychology-self-control-science-nginnovators/

<hr />

Denby, D. (2016, June 21). The limits of “grit.” The New Yorker. Retrieved from https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-limits-of-grit

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L., Peterson, C., Matthews, M.D., &amp; Kelly, D.R. (2007). Grit: Perseverance and passion for long-term goals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 92(6), 1087-1101. Full article available at https://www.ronaldreaganhs.org/cms/lib7/WI01001304/Centricity/Domain/187/Grit%20JPSP.pdf

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L., &amp; Yeager, D.S. (2015). Measurement matters: Assessing personal qualities other than cognitive abilities for educational purposes. Educational Researcher 44(4), 237-251.

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. New York, NY: Scribner.

<hr />

Eskreis-Winkler, L., Shulman, E.P., Young, V., Tsukayama, E., Brunwasaser, S.M., &amp; Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Using wise interventions to motivate deliberate practice. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 111(5), 728-744.

<hr />

Farrington, C.A., Roderick, M., Allensworth, E., Nagoka, J., Keyes, T.S., Johnson, D.W., &amp; Beechum, N.O. (2012). Teaching adolescents to become learners: The role of noncognitive factors in shaping school performance: A critical literature review. The University of Chicago Consortium on Chicago School Research. Retrieved from https://consortium.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Noncognitive%20Report.pdf

<hr />

Forsyth, D.R., &amp; Kerr, N.A. (1999, August). <em>Are adaptive illusions adaptive?</em> Poster presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association, Boston, MA.

<hr />

Hannon, B. (2014). Predicting college success: The relative contributions of five social/personality factors, five cognitive/earning factors, and SAT scores.  Journal of Educational and Training Studies 2(4), 46-58.

<hr />

Heckman, J.J. (2013). Giving kids a fair chance (A strategy that works). Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.

<hr />

Kamenetz, A. (2016, May 25). MacArthur ‘genius’ Angela Duckworth responds to a new critique of grit. NPR. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit</a>

<hr />

Kapoor, M.L. (2017, June 27). 12 books expelled from Tucson schools. High Country News. Retrieved from http://www.hcn.org/articles/education-tucsons-mexican-american-studies-ban-goes-back-to-court

<hr />

Kohn, A. (2014). Grit: A skeptical look at the latest educational fad. Author. Retrieved from http://www.alfiekohn.org/article/grit/

<hr />

No byline. (1998, March 15). Weddings; Jason Duckworth, Angela Lee. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/15/style/weddings-jason-duckworth-angela-lee.html

<hr />

Sparks, S.D. (2015, June 2). ‘Nation’s Report Card’ to gather data on grit, mindset. Education Week. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html</a>

<hr />

The Leadership Conference. (2015, May 5). Civil rights groups: “We oppose anti-testing efforts.” Author. Retrieved from https://civilrights.org/civil-rights-groups-we-oppose-anti-testing-efforts/

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The Learning Project Elementary School. Website. Author. Retrieved from http://www.learningproject.org/

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The Nation’s Report Card (n.d.). Percentage of fourth-grade students at or above Proficient not significantly different compared to 2013. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4</a>

<hr />

Tough, P. (2016). Helping children succeed: What works and why. Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

<hr />

Useem, J. (2016, May). Is grit overrated: The downsides of dogged, single-minded persistence. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/is-grit-overrated/476397/

<hr />

Zernike, K. (2016, February 29). Testing for joy and grit? Schools nationwide push to measure students’ emotional skills. The New York Times. Retrieved from https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/testing-for-joy-and-grit-schools-nationwide-push-to-measure-students-emotional-skills.html?_r=0]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/gritrerelease]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2c33c79d-e13d-4a4b-8f5d-57ea757eb318</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2c33c79d-e13d-4a4b-8f5d-57ea757eb318.mp3" length="48725771" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>165</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>165</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5ecb1356-8f8a-44f6-918a-7dfcd3584ced/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>164: Supporting Neurodivergent Children with Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist</title><itunes:title>164: Supporting Neurodivergent Children with Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Parents have been asking me for episodes on neurodivergence for a while now so I’m hoping this episode will become the start of a mini-series. In this first conversation I talk with Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, co-author of the new book Neurodiveristy Studies: A New Critical Paradigm. We look at this topic through the lens of autism, and I share some information I found to be pretty surprising when, out of curiosity, I took the Autism Spectrum Quotient screening online.

&nbsp;

We discuss ways that schools, workplaces, and the wider world could better accommodate neurodivergent people, both so neurodivergent people can live the fullest expression of themselves, and also so everyone can benefit from their ideas, experience, and expertise.

&nbsp;

While this episode uses autism as a lens through which to discuss neurodiversity, the ideas in it can be applied to other types of neurodiversity including Asperger’s syndrome, dyslexia, dyscalculia, ADHD, synesthesia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and Tourette syndrome.

&nbsp;

I also see neurodiversity as much more broad than the typical way this term is used, which tends to be used to mean “a person with a disorder that makes them not as good as a normal person.” I see us all as neurodiverse, each with our own unique combination of talents and struggles, so we should support children in learning in the way that’s uniquely suited to them.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist's Book</strong></h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3BTPeok" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Neurodiversity Studies: A New Critical Paradigm (Routledge Advances in Sociology)</a> (Affiliate link).

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:44 Introduction of episode

04:16 Communication barriers between neurodivergent people and neurotypical people

06:05 Miscommunication translation with neurodivergent children

15:41 Social model usefulness

16:38 Why autism should be in the DSM

18:58 Difference in non-verbal communication between neurotypical and neurodivergent people

30:13 Should schools give more space for understanding neurodivergent people

32:24 The value that neurodivergent people bring to society

36:18 Parents' role in effectively supporting neurodivergent children

40:15 What should the school system look like if it was supportive of neurodivergent children

42:00 What therapies should we offer and to whom

45:22 What can we do to support neurodivergent people

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H., Chown, N., and Stenning, A. (2020). Neurodiversity studies: A new critical paradigm. London: Routledge.

<hr />

Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H. (2019). Knowing what to do: Exploring meanings of development and peer support aimed at people with autism. <em>International Journal of Inclusive Education</em>, <em>23</em>(2), 174-187.

<hr />

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. B., &amp; Brownlow, C. (2015). “What’s the point of having friends?”: Reformulating Notions of the Meaning of Friends and Friendship among Autistic People. <em>Disability Studies Quarterly</em>, <em>35</em>(4).

<hr />

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. (2013). Doing adulthood through parenthood: Notions of parenthood among people with cognitive disabilities. Alter 7(1), 56-68.

<hr />

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. (2012). Practice, practice: notions of adaptation and normality among adults with Asperger syndrome. <em>Disability Studies Quarterly</em>, <em>32</em>(2).

<hr />

Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H., Brownlow, C., &amp; O'Dell, L. (2015). ‘An Association for All’—Notions of the Meaning of Autistic Self‐Advocacy Politics within a Parent‐Dominated Autistic Movement. <em>Journal of Community &amp; Applied Social Psychology</em>, <em>25</em>(3), 219-231.

<hr />

Brownlow, C., Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H., &amp; O'Dell, L. (2015). Exploring the potential for social networking among people with autism: Challenging dominant ideas of ‘friendship’. <em>Scandinavian Journal of Disability Research</em>, <em>17</em>(2), 188-193.

<hr />

Egner, J.E. (2019). “The disability rights community was never mine”: Neuroqueer disidentification. Gender &amp; Society 33(1), 123-147.

<hr />

Lovgren, V., &amp; Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. (2014). ‘More time for <em>what?</em>’ Exploring intersecting notions of gender, work, age and leisure time among people with cognitive disabilities. International Journal of Social Welfare 24(3), 263-272.

<hr />

Metell, M. (2019). How we talk when we talk about disabled children and their families: An invitation to queer the discourse. Voices: A world forum for music therapy 19(3), 1-12.

<hr />

O’Dell, L., Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H., Ortega, F., Brownlow, C., &amp; Orsini, M. (2016). Critical autism studies: Exploring dialogues and intersections, challenging dominant understandings of autism. Disability &amp; Society 31(2), 166-179.

<hr />

Ross, H. (2021). “I’m dyslexic but what does that even mean?”: Young people’s experiences of dyslexia support interventions in mainstream classrooms. Scandanavian Journal of Disability Research 23(1), 284-294.

<hr />

Starke, M., Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H., &amp; Kuosmanen, J. (2016). Eternal children? Professionals’ construction of women with an intellectual disability who are victims of a sexual crime. Sexuality and Disability 34, 315-328.

<hr />

Stenning, A., &amp; Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H. (2021). Neurodiversity studies: Mapping out possibilities of a new critical paradigm. Disability &amp; Society 36(9), 1532-1537.

<hr />

Walker, N. (2021). Neuroqueer heresies: Notes on the neurodiversity paradigm, autistic empowerment, and postnormal possibilities. San Antonio: Autonomous.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Parents have been asking me for episodes on neurodivergence for a while now so I’m hoping this episode will become the start of a mini-series. In this first conversation I talk with Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, co-author of the new book Neurodiveristy Studies: A New Critical Paradigm. We look at this topic through the lens of autism, and I share some information I found to be pretty surprising when, out of curiosity, I took the Autism Spectrum Quotient screening online.

&nbsp;

We discuss ways that schools, workplaces, and the wider world could better accommodate neurodivergent people, both so neurodivergent people can live the fullest expression of themselves, and also so everyone can benefit from their ideas, experience, and expertise.

&nbsp;

While this episode uses autism as a lens through which to discuss neurodiversity, the ideas in it can be applied to other types of neurodiversity including Asperger’s syndrome, dyslexia, dyscalculia, ADHD, synesthesia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and Tourette syndrome.

&nbsp;

I also see neurodiversity as much more broad than the typical way this term is used, which tends to be used to mean “a person with a disorder that makes them not as good as a normal person.” I see us all as neurodiverse, each with our own unique combination of talents and struggles, so we should support children in learning in the way that’s uniquely suited to them.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Hanna Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist's Book</strong></h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3BTPeok" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Neurodiversity Studies: A New Critical Paradigm (Routledge Advances in Sociology)</a> (Affiliate link).

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:44 Introduction of episode

04:16 Communication barriers between neurodivergent people and neurotypical people

06:05 Miscommunication translation with neurodivergent children

15:41 Social model usefulness

16:38 Why autism should be in the DSM

18:58 Difference in non-verbal communication between neurotypical and neurodivergent people

30:13 Should schools give more space for understanding neurodivergent people

32:24 The value that neurodivergent people bring to society

36:18 Parents' role in effectively supporting neurodivergent children

40:15 What should the school system look like if it was supportive of neurodivergent children

42:00 What therapies should we offer and to whom

45:22 What can we do to support neurodivergent people

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H., Chown, N., and Stenning, A. (2020). Neurodiversity studies: A new critical paradigm. London: Routledge.

<hr />

Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H. (2019). Knowing what to do: Exploring meanings of development and peer support aimed at people with autism. <em>International Journal of Inclusive Education</em>, <em>23</em>(2), 174-187.

<hr />

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. B., &amp; Brownlow, C. (2015). “What’s the point of having friends?”: Reformulating Notions of the Meaning of Friends and Friendship among Autistic People. <em>Disability Studies Quarterly</em>, <em>35</em>(4).

<hr />

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. (2013). Doing adulthood through parenthood: Notions of parenthood among people with cognitive disabilities. Alter 7(1), 56-68.

<hr />

Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. (2012). Practice, practice: notions of adaptation and normality among adults with Asperger syndrome. <em>Disability Studies Quarterly</em>, <em>32</em>(2).

<hr />

Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H., Brownlow, C., &amp; O'Dell, L. (2015). ‘An Association for All’—Notions of the Meaning of Autistic Self‐Advocacy Politics within a Parent‐Dominated Autistic Movement. <em>Journal of Community &amp; Applied Social Psychology</em>, <em>25</em>(3), 219-231.

<hr />

Brownlow, C., Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H., &amp; O'Dell, L. (2015). Exploring the potential for social networking among people with autism: Challenging dominant ideas of ‘friendship’. <em>Scandinavian Journal of Disability Research</em>, <em>17</em>(2), 188-193.

<hr />

Egner, J.E. (2019). “The disability rights community was never mine”: Neuroqueer disidentification. Gender &amp; Society 33(1), 123-147.

<hr />

Lovgren, V., &amp; Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H. (2014). ‘More time for <em>what?</em>’ Exploring intersecting notions of gender, work, age and leisure time among people with cognitive disabilities. International Journal of Social Welfare 24(3), 263-272.

<hr />

Metell, M. (2019). How we talk when we talk about disabled children and their families: An invitation to queer the discourse. Voices: A world forum for music therapy 19(3), 1-12.

<hr />

O’Dell, L., Bertilsdotter-Rosqvist, H., Ortega, F., Brownlow, C., &amp; Orsini, M. (2016). Critical autism studies: Exploring dialogues and intersections, challenging dominant understandings of autism. Disability &amp; Society 31(2), 166-179.

<hr />

Ross, H. (2021). “I’m dyslexic but what does that even mean?”: Young people’s experiences of dyslexia support interventions in mainstream classrooms. Scandanavian Journal of Disability Research 23(1), 284-294.

<hr />

Starke, M., Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H., &amp; Kuosmanen, J. (2016). Eternal children? Professionals’ construction of women with an intellectual disability who are victims of a sexual crime. Sexuality and Disability 34, 315-328.

<hr />

Stenning, A., &amp; Bertilsdotter Rosqvist, H. (2021). Neurodiversity studies: Mapping out possibilities of a new critical paradigm. Disability &amp; Society 36(9), 1532-1537.

<hr />

Walker, N. (2021). Neuroqueer heresies: Notes on the neurodiversity paradigm, autistic empowerment, and postnormal possibilities. San Antonio: Autonomous.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/neurodivergent]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1f6aff63-6b86-4d7f-8871-f502fe9311eb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/1f6aff63-6b86-4d7f-8871-f502fe9311eb.mp3" length="68801815" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>164</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>164</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/007ad1e9-fa49-4f99-8c7e-b664342c838a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>163: Should children vote? with Dr. John Wall</title><itunes:title>163: Should children vote? with Dr. John Wall</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Every once in a while a blog post about ‘childism’ makes the rounds on social media, which is described as being a “prejudice against young people” that’s on par with sexism, racism, and homophobia. But the Director of the Childism Institute, Dr. John Wall, argues that that definition implies children are simply victims of whatever adults throw at them - when actually they are active agents who create meaning for themselves.

&nbsp;

Dr. Wall’s most recent book is called Give Children The Vote - when I picked it up, I have to admit that I rolled my eyes. I was prepared to remain skeptical…and was surprised to find that by the end of the book, the idea of children’s suffrage actually made a whole lot of sense.

&nbsp;

<strong>Changing our minds…changing the world </strong>

A big part of what happened to me as I researched this episode was that I changed my ideas about two things I’d long assumed to be true: that we need to protect children from adults who look down at them, and that children shouldn’t be able to vote. As you’ll hear in the episode, my daughter was actually part of this process on the voting topic - we talked about whether she thought she should be able to vote, and she demonstrated the major capabilities that Dr. Wall said children need to be able to vote responsibly.

&nbsp;

So often we get stuck in a rut of imagining that the way we see the world is The Right Way, and if our child doesn’t see it that way then it’s because they aren’t yet mature enough to know how the world really works. But what if we could see that the ways children view the world - in fact, the ways we used to view the world before we were taught that rational arguments supersede all other kinds of knowledge - as something that actually has value?

&nbsp;

Not only does it have value, but it might create insights into the challenges we face - from the small ones in our daily lives to the really big ones like what we’ll do about climate change and how we’ll address really big social problems.Our children need us to see and value their creativity, because there are so many other places in the world that don’t value it - and that will squash it out of them pretty quickly.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. John Wall's Book</strong></h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3LqSWZw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Give Children the Vote: On Democratizing Democracy</a> (Affiliate link).

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:28 Introduction of episode

04:04 Introducing the guest

10:12 Background of childism

14:10 Difference between 3rd way and 2nd way feminism

19:26 What does childism do to society

21:03 Another children’s right

23:01 Idea of human right

34:20 Set of ideas that we could engage to children’s right

35:54 3 main points of Dr. John Wall’s book Give Children The Vote

43:35 The idea of the children’s right to vote

45:02 Why children are actively prevented from voting

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Abebe, T., &amp; Biswas, T. (2021). Rights in education: outlines for a decolonial, childist reimagination of the future – commentary to Ansell and colleagues. Fennia 199(1), 118-128.

<hr />

Barajas, S. (2021). Unearned advantages? Redefining privilege in light of childhood. Children’s Geographies 20(1), 24-36.

<hr />

Biswas, T. (2021). Who needs sensory education? Studies in Philosophy and Education 40(3), 387-302.

<hr />

Britta, S. (2020). The Children’s Polylogue-Doing Philosophy with Children in Intercultural Encounters. <em>Философский полилог: Журнал Международного центра изучения русской философии</em> 1 (7), 55-69. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.childism.org/_files/ugd/8edd45_91282ebbaf034a3fbdfe322bb4b3156a.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.childism.org/_files/ugd/8edd45_91282ebbaf034a3fbdfe322bb4b3156a.pdf</a>

<hr />

Hart, R.A. (1992). Children’s participation: From tokenism to citizenship. UNICEF. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/100-childrens-participation-from-tokenism-to-citizenship.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/100-childrens-participation-from-tokenism-to-citizenship.html</a>

<hr />

Josefsson, J., &amp; Wall, J. (2020). Empowered inclusion: Theorizing global justice for children and youth. Globalizations 17(6), 1043-1060.

<hr />

Sporre, K. (2021). Young people – citizens in times of climate change? A childist approach to human responsibility. Theological Studies 77(3), a6783.

<hr />

Stirling, B. (2020). Childhood, ecological feminism, and the environmental justice frame. Etudes canadiennes/Canadian Studies 88, 221-238.

<hr />

The Childism Institute (2021). Childism: An introduction. Author. Retrieved from https://8edd4583-272f-402d-a88f-f13f889bc034.usrfiles.com/ugd/8edd45_d69ea07ff9674dd180245bd409542504.pdf

<hr />

Thomas, N. (2007). Towards a theory of children’s participation. International Journal of Children’s Rights 15, 199-218.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2022). Give children the vote: On democratizing democracy. London: Bloomsbury.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2019). From childhood studies to childism: Reconstructing the scholarly and social imaginations. Children’s Geographies 20(3), 257-270.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2018). Theorizing children’s global citizenship: reconstructionism and the politics of deep interdependence. Global Studies of Childhood 9(1), 5-17.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2011). Can democracy represent children? Toward a politics of difference. Childhood 19(1), 86-100.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2008). Human rights in light of childhood. International Journal of Children’s Rights 16, 523-543.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2007). Fatherhood, childism, and the creation of society. Journal of the American Academy of Religion 75(1), 52-76.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Every once in a while a blog post about ‘childism’ makes the rounds on social media, which is described as being a “prejudice against young people” that’s on par with sexism, racism, and homophobia. But the Director of the Childism Institute, Dr. John Wall, argues that that definition implies children are simply victims of whatever adults throw at them - when actually they are active agents who create meaning for themselves.

&nbsp;

Dr. Wall’s most recent book is called Give Children The Vote - when I picked it up, I have to admit that I rolled my eyes. I was prepared to remain skeptical…and was surprised to find that by the end of the book, the idea of children’s suffrage actually made a whole lot of sense.

&nbsp;

<strong>Changing our minds…changing the world </strong>

A big part of what happened to me as I researched this episode was that I changed my ideas about two things I’d long assumed to be true: that we need to protect children from adults who look down at them, and that children shouldn’t be able to vote. As you’ll hear in the episode, my daughter was actually part of this process on the voting topic - we talked about whether she thought she should be able to vote, and she demonstrated the major capabilities that Dr. Wall said children need to be able to vote responsibly.

&nbsp;

So often we get stuck in a rut of imagining that the way we see the world is The Right Way, and if our child doesn’t see it that way then it’s because they aren’t yet mature enough to know how the world really works. But what if we could see that the ways children view the world - in fact, the ways we used to view the world before we were taught that rational arguments supersede all other kinds of knowledge - as something that actually has value?

&nbsp;

Not only does it have value, but it might create insights into the challenges we face - from the small ones in our daily lives to the really big ones like what we’ll do about climate change and how we’ll address really big social problems.Our children need us to see and value their creativity, because there are so many other places in the world that don’t value it - and that will squash it out of them pretty quickly.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. John Wall's Book</strong></h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3LqSWZw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Give Children the Vote: On Democratizing Democracy</a> (Affiliate link).

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:28 Introduction of episode

04:04 Introducing the guest

10:12 Background of childism

14:10 Difference between 3rd way and 2nd way feminism

19:26 What does childism do to society

21:03 Another children’s right

23:01 Idea of human right

34:20 Set of ideas that we could engage to children’s right

35:54 3 main points of Dr. John Wall’s book Give Children The Vote

43:35 The idea of the children’s right to vote

45:02 Why children are actively prevented from voting

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Abebe, T., &amp; Biswas, T. (2021). Rights in education: outlines for a decolonial, childist reimagination of the future – commentary to Ansell and colleagues. Fennia 199(1), 118-128.

<hr />

Barajas, S. (2021). Unearned advantages? Redefining privilege in light of childhood. Children’s Geographies 20(1), 24-36.

<hr />

Biswas, T. (2021). Who needs sensory education? Studies in Philosophy and Education 40(3), 387-302.

<hr />

Britta, S. (2020). The Children’s Polylogue-Doing Philosophy with Children in Intercultural Encounters. <em>Философский полилог: Журнал Международного центра изучения русской философии</em> 1 (7), 55-69. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.childism.org/_files/ugd/8edd45_91282ebbaf034a3fbdfe322bb4b3156a.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.childism.org/_files/ugd/8edd45_91282ebbaf034a3fbdfe322bb4b3156a.pdf</a>

<hr />

Hart, R.A. (1992). Children’s participation: From tokenism to citizenship. UNICEF. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/100-childrens-participation-from-tokenism-to-citizenship.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/100-childrens-participation-from-tokenism-to-citizenship.html</a>

<hr />

Josefsson, J., &amp; Wall, J. (2020). Empowered inclusion: Theorizing global justice for children and youth. Globalizations 17(6), 1043-1060.

<hr />

Sporre, K. (2021). Young people – citizens in times of climate change? A childist approach to human responsibility. Theological Studies 77(3), a6783.

<hr />

Stirling, B. (2020). Childhood, ecological feminism, and the environmental justice frame. Etudes canadiennes/Canadian Studies 88, 221-238.

<hr />

The Childism Institute (2021). Childism: An introduction. Author. Retrieved from https://8edd4583-272f-402d-a88f-f13f889bc034.usrfiles.com/ugd/8edd45_d69ea07ff9674dd180245bd409542504.pdf

<hr />

Thomas, N. (2007). Towards a theory of children’s participation. International Journal of Children’s Rights 15, 199-218.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2022). Give children the vote: On democratizing democracy. London: Bloomsbury.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2019). From childhood studies to childism: Reconstructing the scholarly and social imaginations. Children’s Geographies 20(3), 257-270.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2018). Theorizing children’s global citizenship: reconstructionism and the politics of deep interdependence. Global Studies of Childhood 9(1), 5-17.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2011). Can democracy represent children? Toward a politics of difference. Childhood 19(1), 86-100.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2008). Human rights in light of childhood. International Journal of Children’s Rights 16, 523-543.

<hr />

Wall, J. (2007). Fatherhood, childism, and the creation of society. Journal of the American Academy of Religion 75(1), 52-76.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/childrenvote]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1f4d7bcf-ad6b-4d02-83f7-7ea3db371c1b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/1f4d7bcf-ad6b-4d02-83f7-7ea3db371c1b.mp3" length="73732061" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>163</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>163</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/794dec64-9d54-451d-ac9e-c5d7813b7d02/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>162: Supporting children through grief with Katie Lear</title><itunes:title>162: Supporting children through grief with Katie Lear</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">This episode builds on our </span><a class="ql-link" href="https://www.yourparentingmojocom/death" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span style="font-weight: 400">conversation with Dr. Atle Dyregrov on the topic of talking with children about death</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, where we focused mainly on death as a general concept and navigating the first few days after the death. Grief therapist Katie Lear has a new book called A Parent's Guide to Managing Childhood Grief and focuses on the much longer period of mourning that follows the death of someone close to a child.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">We look at:</span>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">The four 'tasks' of mourning that most people (including children) move through</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">Activities we can do in each task to help children navigate their feelings effectively</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400"> long the process usually takes</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">Signs that a child is engaged in 'complicated grief' and needs more support</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">Where and how to find that support</span></li>
</ul><br/>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Resources mentioned in the show</span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://www.katielear.com/">Katie's website</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3IZL8Np">The book A Parent's Guide to Managing Childhood Grief</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3PMusef">Selma Fraiberg's book The Magic Years: Understanding and Handling the Problems of Early Childhood</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.dougy.org/">The Dougy Center</a></span><span style="font-weight: 400">(resources and referrals to grief therapists)</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Books Katie recommends for reading with young children</span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3aWKfsm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">When Dinosaurs Die</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3b643cy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ida Always</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3RWDzer" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Endless Story</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3PJVdju" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Dead Bird</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3Otfngs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Goodbye Mousie</a></span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

(03:13) Important topics in Katie Lear’s book, A Parent's Guide to Managing Childhood Grief

(04:43) Understanding what grief looks like in children and in adult

(07:38) The four tasks that children need to work through during the grieving process

(11:39) Useful activities in supporting children in the first stages of grief

(14:03) Katie recommends picture books about death that are written in a way that children can understand and that help normalize the feelings associated with the grieving process

(15:49) Should we tell our children the truth about a parent's death?

(17:45) Feelings a child experiences when someone close to them dies

(18:54) How does displaying a parent's grief to their child affect their behavior

(21:24) Understanding our child’s commotion or acting out when they’re in the grieving process

(24:11) What is Magical Thinking and how it’s connected to a child’s development

(29:16) How Magical Thinking works in adults who are grieving

(30:24) What is the environment like for children who are adjusting after a loved one has gone

(32:01) Family bonding activities we can do to help our family process grief

(33:14) How children navigate into a parentified role after the death of a parent

(35:17) Which parent's death affects how a child responds to grief

(37:34) Understanding the ages at which children process bereavement

(40:21) Why should we consider having rituals and memorials for a loved one who passed away

(43:45) How long does it take most children to recover from grief?

(46:00) What is complicated grief look like in children

(53:37) How to find the right resource therapist that is specialized in children’s grief

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Fogarty, J.A. (2000). The magical thoughts of grieving children: Treating children with complicated mourning and advice for parents. Amityville: Baywood Publishing.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Haine, R.A., Ayers, T.S., Sandler, I.N., &amp; Wolchik, S.A. (2008). Evidence-based practices for parentally bereaved children and their families. Professional Psychology Research &amp; Practice 39(2), 113-121.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Lear, K. (2022). A parent’s guide to managing childhood grief. New York: Adams Media.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Pham, S., Porta, G., Biernesser, C., Walker Payne, M., Iyengar, S., Melhem, N., &amp; Brent, D.A. (2018). The burden of bereavement: Early-onset depression and impairment in youths bereaved by sudden parental death in a 7-year prospective study. American Journal of Psychiatry 175(9), 887-896.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Worden, J. W. (1996). Children and grief: When a parent dies. New York: Guilford Press.</span>

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">This episode builds on our </span><a class="ql-link" href="https://www.yourparentingmojocom/death" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span style="font-weight: 400">conversation with Dr. Atle Dyregrov on the topic of talking with children about death</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, where we focused mainly on death as a general concept and navigating the first few days after the death. Grief therapist Katie Lear has a new book called A Parent's Guide to Managing Childhood Grief and focuses on the much longer period of mourning that follows the death of someone close to a child.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">We look at:</span>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">The four 'tasks' of mourning that most people (including children) move through</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">Activities we can do in each task to help children navigate their feelings effectively</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400"> long the process usually takes</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">Signs that a child is engaged in 'complicated grief' and needs more support</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">Where and how to find that support</span></li>
</ul><br/>
<span style="font-weight: 400">Resources mentioned in the show</span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://www.katielear.com/">Katie's website</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3IZL8Np">The book A Parent's Guide to Managing Childhood Grief</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3PMusef">Selma Fraiberg's book The Magic Years: Understanding and Handling the Problems of Early Childhood</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.dougy.org/">The Dougy Center</a></span><span style="font-weight: 400">(resources and referrals to grief therapists)</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Books Katie recommends for reading with young children</span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3aWKfsm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">When Dinosaurs Die</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3b643cy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ida Always</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3RWDzer" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Endless Story</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3PJVdju" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Dead Bird</a></span>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><a class="ql-link" href="https://amzn.to/3Otfngs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Goodbye Mousie</a></span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

(03:13) Important topics in Katie Lear’s book, A Parent's Guide to Managing Childhood Grief

(04:43) Understanding what grief looks like in children and in adult

(07:38) The four tasks that children need to work through during the grieving process

(11:39) Useful activities in supporting children in the first stages of grief

(14:03) Katie recommends picture books about death that are written in a way that children can understand and that help normalize the feelings associated with the grieving process

(15:49) Should we tell our children the truth about a parent's death?

(17:45) Feelings a child experiences when someone close to them dies

(18:54) How does displaying a parent's grief to their child affect their behavior

(21:24) Understanding our child’s commotion or acting out when they’re in the grieving process

(24:11) What is Magical Thinking and how it’s connected to a child’s development

(29:16) How Magical Thinking works in adults who are grieving

(30:24) What is the environment like for children who are adjusting after a loved one has gone

(32:01) Family bonding activities we can do to help our family process grief

(33:14) How children navigate into a parentified role after the death of a parent

(35:17) Which parent's death affects how a child responds to grief

(37:34) Understanding the ages at which children process bereavement

(40:21) Why should we consider having rituals and memorials for a loved one who passed away

(43:45) How long does it take most children to recover from grief?

(46:00) What is complicated grief look like in children

(53:37) How to find the right resource therapist that is specialized in children’s grief

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Fogarty, J.A. (2000). The magical thoughts of grieving children: Treating children with complicated mourning and advice for parents. Amityville: Baywood Publishing.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Haine, R.A., Ayers, T.S., Sandler, I.N., &amp; Wolchik, S.A. (2008). Evidence-based practices for parentally bereaved children and their families. Professional Psychology Research &amp; Practice 39(2), 113-121.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Lear, K. (2022). A parent’s guide to managing childhood grief. New York: Adams Media.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Pham, S., Porta, G., Biernesser, C., Walker Payne, M., Iyengar, S., Melhem, N., &amp; Brent, D.A. (2018). The burden of bereavement: Early-onset depression and impairment in youths bereaved by sudden parental death in a 7-year prospective study. American Journal of Psychiatry 175(9), 887-896.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Worden, J. W. (1996). Children and grief: When a parent dies. New York: Guilford Press.</span>

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/childhoodgrief]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1ee659d0-53b4-441c-b8c9-c565e22a002b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5d34d0e1-76f8-4e13-9d72-bc08a03416e4/Childhood-20Grief-mixdown-converted.mp3" length="70394230" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/3bc99994-c9ba-4fc1-b800-c13c138c9200/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>161: New masculinites for older boys with Dr. Michael Kehler &amp; Caroline Brunet</title><itunes:title>161: New masculinites for older boys with Dr. Michael Kehler &amp; Caroline Brunet</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">We've covered a number of episodes in the past that feed into this one, including </span><a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/healthyboys"><span style="font-weight: 400">Raising Emotionally Healthy Boys with Dr. Judy Chu</span></a> (which focused on boys' understanding of masculinity in the preschool years), and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Playing to Win with Dr. Hilary Levy Friedman</span></a> (which looked at the lessons children learn from sports...which aren't really related to the sports themselves...).

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And of course there are the two episodes on patriarchy; </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/patriarchy/"><span style="font-weight: 400">the interview with Dr. Carol Gilligan</span></a>, as well as <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingpatriarchy/"><span style="font-weight: 400">my conversation with listener Brian Stout about what we learned during the interview</span></a>.

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">A few weeks ago </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/youngfemininity/"><span style="font-weight: 400">listener Caroline and I interviewed Dr. Marnina Gonick on the topic of girls' relationships</span></a>, which stemmed from the question 'why are middle/high school-aged girls so mean to each other?' but became much broader in scope as we looked at the cultural factors shaping girls' relationships. At the end of that conversation I asked Dr. Gonick if she knew anyone who was doing work similar to hers but looking at boys' relationships, and she did!

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In today's conversation Caroline returns to co-interview Dr. Michael Kehler, who is Research Professor in Masculinities Studies at the Weklund School of Education at the University of Calgary. We discuss how masculinity isn't something that boys are; it's something they do, how the traditional interpretation of masculinity hurts our boys and girls, and what parents can do to support boys in engaging in alternative masculinities that allow them to feel more whole as people.</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Michael Kehler's book</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3OFtCAH">Boys’ Bodies: Speaking the Unspoken</a> - Affiliate link</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

(03:31) What does it mean to be a boy

(05:17) There is a type of masculinity that is perceived to be the most masculine

(06:21) The problem with the phrase “Boys will be boys”

(08:24) Understanding Masculine and Feminine binary

(10:09) How much influence do gender stereotypes or gender norms around masculinity have on boys' relationships, particularly at school?

(16:27) How mental and physical affection have shown up in boys' and men's relationships

(21:37) Why do boys and men feel pressure to conform to traditional masculine norms?

(23:38) Ways that girls regulated men's roles in society

(27:49) How can gender diversity be supported

(30:25) Boys seem to need action-based learning, rather than docile literacy-based tasks

(33:54) The importance of disrupting thinking in supporting boys in their resistance to the norms of masculinity

(40:07) Do boys desire close male-to-male friendships?

(42:29) Power of discomfort as a learning opportunity

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Anderson, E., Adams, A., &amp; Rivers, I. (2012). “I kiss them because I love them”: The emergence of heterosexual men kissing in British institutes of education. Archives of Sexual Behavior 41(2), 421-430.

<hr />

Anderson, E. (2008). “I used to think women were weak”: Orthodox masculinity, gender segregation, and sport. Sociological Forum 23(2), 257-280.

<hr />

Burns, J., &amp; Kehler, M. (2014). Boys, bodies, and negotiated school spaces: When boys fail the litmus test. Culture, Society &amp; Masculinities 6(1), 3-18.

<hr />

Hayward, C., &amp; Mac an Ghaill, M. (2013). Education and masculinities: Social, cultural, and global transformations. New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Kehler, M. (2010). Boys, books and homophobia: Exploring the practices and policies of masculinities in school. McGill Journal of Education 45(3), 351-370.

<hr />

Kehler, M.D. (2007). Hallway fears and high school friendships: the complications of young men (re)negotiating heterosexualized identities. Discourse: Studies in the cultural politics of education 28(2), 259-277.

<hr />

Kehler, M.D. &amp; Martino, W. (2007). Questioning masculinities: Interrogating boys’ capacities for self-problematization in schools. Canadian Journal of Education 30(1), 90-112.

<hr />

Kehler, M.D., Davison, K.G., &amp; Frank, B. (2005). Contradictions and tensions in the practice of masculinites in school: interrogating embodiment and ‘Good Buddy Talk.’ Journal of Curriculum Theorizing 21(4), 59-72.

<hr />

Kimmel, M. (2018). Masculinity and our common humanity: “Real” men versus “Good” men. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.173-187). New York: New York University Press.

<hr />

Kimmel, M. (2004). Masculinity as homophobia: Fear, shame, and silence in the construction of gender identity. In P.F. Murphy (Ed)., Feminism &amp; Masculinities (p.182-199). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Mac an Ghaill, M., &amp; Hayward, C. (2011). Schooling, masculinity and class analysis: Towards an aesthetic of subjectivities. British Journal of Sociology of Education 32(5), 729-744.

<hr />

Mac an Ghaill, M. (1994). The making of men: Masculinities, sexualities, and schooling. Buckingham: Open University Press.

<hr />

Martino, W., &amp; Kehler, M. (2006). Male teachers and the “Boy Problem” An issue of recuperative masculinity politics. McGill Journal of Education 41(2), 113-131.

<hr />

McCann, P.D., Minichiello, V., &amp; Plummer, D. (2009). Is homophobia inevitable? Evidence that explores the constructed nature of homophobia, and the techniques through which men unlearn it. Journal of Sociology 45(2), 201-220.

<hr />

Messerschmidt, J.W. (2010). The struggle for recognition: Embodied masculinity and the victim-violence cycle of bullying in secondary schools. In M. Kehler &amp; M. Atkinson (Eds), Boys’ Bodies: Speaking the Unspoken (p.113-131). New York: Peter Lang.

<hr />

Plummer, C. (1999). One of the boys: Masculinity, homophobia, and modern manhood. New York: Harrington Park Press.

<hr />

Riechert, M.C., &amp; Nelson, J.D. (2018). I want to learn from you: Relational strategies to engage boys in school. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.344-360). New York: New York University Press.

<hr />

Robinson, S., White, A., &amp; Anderson, E. (2019). Privileging the bromance: A critical appraisal of romantic and bromantic relationships. Men and Masculinities 22(5), 850-871.

<hr />

Rogers L.O. (2018). The “Black Box”: Identity development and the crisis of connection among Black adolescent boys. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.129-148). New York: New York University Press.

<hr />

Rotondo, E.A. (1989). Romantic friendship: Male intimacy and middle class youth in the Northern United States, 1800-1900. Journal of Social History 23(1), 1-25.

<hr />

Ryan, T.A., Morrison, T.G., &amp; O Beaglaoich, C. (2010). Adolescent males’ body image: An overview of research on the influence of mass media. In M. Kehler &amp; M. Atkinson (Eds), Boys’ Bodies: Speaking the Unspoken (p.21-50). New York: Peter Lang.

<hr />

Scholes, L. (2018). Boys, masculinities and reading: Gender identity and literacy as social practice. New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Watson, A., &amp; Kehler, M. (2012). Beyond the “Boy Problem”: Raising questions, growing concerns and literacy reconsidered. New England Reading Association Journal 48(1), 43-55.

<hr />

Watson, A., Kehler, M., &amp; Martino, W. (2010). The problem of boys’ literacy underachievement: Raising some questions. Journal of Adolescent and Adult Literacy 53(5), 356-361.

<hr />

Way, N., &amp; Nelson, J.D. (2018). The Listening Project: Fostering curiosity and connection in middle schools. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.274-298). New York: New York University Press.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">We've covered a number of episodes in the past that feed into this one, including </span><a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/healthyboys"><span style="font-weight: 400">Raising Emotionally Healthy Boys with Dr. Judy Chu</span></a> (which focused on boys' understanding of masculinity in the preschool years), and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Playing to Win with Dr. Hilary Levy Friedman</span></a> (which looked at the lessons children learn from sports...which aren't really related to the sports themselves...).

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And of course there are the two episodes on patriarchy; </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/patriarchy/"><span style="font-weight: 400">the interview with Dr. Carol Gilligan</span></a>, as well as <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingpatriarchy/"><span style="font-weight: 400">my conversation with listener Brian Stout about what we learned during the interview</span></a>.

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">A few weeks ago </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/youngfemininity/"><span style="font-weight: 400">listener Caroline and I interviewed Dr. Marnina Gonick on the topic of girls' relationships</span></a>, which stemmed from the question 'why are middle/high school-aged girls so mean to each other?' but became much broader in scope as we looked at the cultural factors shaping girls' relationships. At the end of that conversation I asked Dr. Gonick if she knew anyone who was doing work similar to hers but looking at boys' relationships, and she did!

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In today's conversation Caroline returns to co-interview Dr. Michael Kehler, who is Research Professor in Masculinities Studies at the Weklund School of Education at the University of Calgary. We discuss how masculinity isn't something that boys are; it's something they do, how the traditional interpretation of masculinity hurts our boys and girls, and what parents can do to support boys in engaging in alternative masculinities that allow them to feel more whole as people.</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Michael Kehler's book</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3OFtCAH">Boys’ Bodies: Speaking the Unspoken</a> - Affiliate link</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

(03:31) What does it mean to be a boy

(05:17) There is a type of masculinity that is perceived to be the most masculine

(06:21) The problem with the phrase “Boys will be boys”

(08:24) Understanding Masculine and Feminine binary

(10:09) How much influence do gender stereotypes or gender norms around masculinity have on boys' relationships, particularly at school?

(16:27) How mental and physical affection have shown up in boys' and men's relationships

(21:37) Why do boys and men feel pressure to conform to traditional masculine norms?

(23:38) Ways that girls regulated men's roles in society

(27:49) How can gender diversity be supported

(30:25) Boys seem to need action-based learning, rather than docile literacy-based tasks

(33:54) The importance of disrupting thinking in supporting boys in their resistance to the norms of masculinity

(40:07) Do boys desire close male-to-male friendships?

(42:29) Power of discomfort as a learning opportunity

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Anderson, E., Adams, A., &amp; Rivers, I. (2012). “I kiss them because I love them”: The emergence of heterosexual men kissing in British institutes of education. Archives of Sexual Behavior 41(2), 421-430.

<hr />

Anderson, E. (2008). “I used to think women were weak”: Orthodox masculinity, gender segregation, and sport. Sociological Forum 23(2), 257-280.

<hr />

Burns, J., &amp; Kehler, M. (2014). Boys, bodies, and negotiated school spaces: When boys fail the litmus test. Culture, Society &amp; Masculinities 6(1), 3-18.

<hr />

Hayward, C., &amp; Mac an Ghaill, M. (2013). Education and masculinities: Social, cultural, and global transformations. New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Kehler, M. (2010). Boys, books and homophobia: Exploring the practices and policies of masculinities in school. McGill Journal of Education 45(3), 351-370.

<hr />

Kehler, M.D. (2007). Hallway fears and high school friendships: the complications of young men (re)negotiating heterosexualized identities. Discourse: Studies in the cultural politics of education 28(2), 259-277.

<hr />

Kehler, M.D. &amp; Martino, W. (2007). Questioning masculinities: Interrogating boys’ capacities for self-problematization in schools. Canadian Journal of Education 30(1), 90-112.

<hr />

Kehler, M.D., Davison, K.G., &amp; Frank, B. (2005). Contradictions and tensions in the practice of masculinites in school: interrogating embodiment and ‘Good Buddy Talk.’ Journal of Curriculum Theorizing 21(4), 59-72.

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Kimmel, M. (2018). Masculinity and our common humanity: “Real” men versus “Good” men. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.173-187). New York: New York University Press.

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Kimmel, M. (2004). Masculinity as homophobia: Fear, shame, and silence in the construction of gender identity. In P.F. Murphy (Ed)., Feminism &amp; Masculinities (p.182-199). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Mac an Ghaill, M., &amp; Hayward, C. (2011). Schooling, masculinity and class analysis: Towards an aesthetic of subjectivities. British Journal of Sociology of Education 32(5), 729-744.

<hr />

Mac an Ghaill, M. (1994). The making of men: Masculinities, sexualities, and schooling. Buckingham: Open University Press.

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Martino, W., &amp; Kehler, M. (2006). Male teachers and the “Boy Problem” An issue of recuperative masculinity politics. McGill Journal of Education 41(2), 113-131.

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McCann, P.D., Minichiello, V., &amp; Plummer, D. (2009). Is homophobia inevitable? Evidence that explores the constructed nature of homophobia, and the techniques through which men unlearn it. Journal of Sociology 45(2), 201-220.

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Messerschmidt, J.W. (2010). The struggle for recognition: Embodied masculinity and the victim-violence cycle of bullying in secondary schools. In M. Kehler &amp; M. Atkinson (Eds), Boys’ Bodies: Speaking the Unspoken (p.113-131). New York: Peter Lang.

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Plummer, C. (1999). One of the boys: Masculinity, homophobia, and modern manhood. New York: Harrington Park Press.

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Riechert, M.C., &amp; Nelson, J.D. (2018). I want to learn from you: Relational strategies to engage boys in school. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.344-360). New York: New York University Press.

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Robinson, S., White, A., &amp; Anderson, E. (2019). Privileging the bromance: A critical appraisal of romantic and bromantic relationships. Men and Masculinities 22(5), 850-871.

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Rogers L.O. (2018). The “Black Box”: Identity development and the crisis of connection among Black adolescent boys. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.129-148). New York: New York University Press.

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Rotondo, E.A. (1989). Romantic friendship: Male intimacy and middle class youth in the Northern United States, 1800-1900. Journal of Social History 23(1), 1-25.

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Ryan, T.A., Morrison, T.G., &amp; O Beaglaoich, C. (2010). Adolescent males’ body image: An overview of research on the influence of mass media. In M. Kehler &amp; M. Atkinson (Eds), Boys’ Bodies: Speaking the Unspoken (p.21-50). New York: Peter Lang.

<hr />

Scholes, L. (2018). Boys, masculinities and reading: Gender identity and literacy as social practice. New York: Routledge.

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Watson, A., &amp; Kehler, M. (2012). Beyond the “Boy Problem”: Raising questions, growing concerns and literacy reconsidered. New England Reading Association Journal 48(1), 43-55.

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Watson, A., Kehler, M., &amp; Martino, W. (2010). The problem of boys’ literacy underachievement: Raising some questions. Journal of Adolescent and Adult Literacy 53(5), 356-361.

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Way, N., &amp; Nelson, J.D. (2018). The Listening Project: Fostering curiosity and connection in middle schools. In N. Way, A. Ali, C. Gilligan, &amp; P. Noguera (Eds), The Crisis of Connection: Roots, Consequences, and Solutions (p.274-298). New York: New York University Press.

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&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/masculinities]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">226c313c-73ff-4e57-89bd-7d99396aad2f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ec45f311-0964-42d7-9b46-421b515cf732/Boy-20relationship.mp3" length="67524874" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/12bb18b7-3886-480f-8022-380744deed53/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>160: Wanting What’s Best with Sarah Jaffe</title><itunes:title>160: Wanting What’s Best with Sarah Jaffe</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">There are lots of books available now on how to talk with children about issues related to race, but Sarah W. Jaffe noticed a gap: there weren't any books geared toward non-academic audiences talking about how the choices that predominantly well-off, predominantly White parents make impact other people. From childcare choices to school to college, at every step of the way we make decisions that reflect Wanting What's Best for our own child, but very often these decisions are rooted in the fear of our child falling behind in some way, and when we try to elevate our own child we often do it at the expense of others.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Sarah's book uncovers the ideas that underlie the seemingly innocuous decisions we make so we can ensure that our choices are really aligned with our values. It also provides a great counterpoint to the book that I'm in the process of writing, which will be on the ways we either pass on or disrupt the tools of White supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism to our own children through the daily interactions we have with them that don't seem to be about anything related to these topics. Publication date September 2023: stay tuned!</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Click here to order Sarah W. Jaffe's book </span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wanting-Whats-Best-Parenting-Privilege/dp/164160767X?crid=15ZVQXNCBK0HL&amp;keywords=wanting+what%27s+best&amp;qid=1656710123&amp;sprefix=wanting+what%27s+best,aps,122&amp;sr=8-1&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=yourparent0e9-20&amp;linkId=3f09296002c357a6b949e20d0afee823&amp;language=en_US&amp;ref_=as_li_ss_tl"><span style="font-weight: 400">Wanting What's Best: Parenting, Privilege, and Building a Just World</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> (affiliate link). </span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Shownotes:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(02:37) How our child should engage in the world.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(03:57) Learn why our fears affects how we raise our children.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(05:58) The importance of racism, patriarchy and capitalism conversation in our child.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(07:42) The inadequacies in the system and issues with childcare wages during the 1960s.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(10:07) Why is our Social Security System being unfair and unjust to farm laborers and domestic workers.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(11:45) How should we deal with the childcare systems as privileged parents.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(13:20) The ideal factors in choosing a daycare arrangement between public schools and private ones.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(14:19) Is it a good idea to take the funds from one school and give it to the other schools.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(17:17) How racial makeup of a school does play a big part in the perception of White parents when choosing a school.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(18:57) The good benefits of exposing our kids to a school with a diverse student body.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(19:43) The challenges we experienced as parents while working against racism.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(23:05) Anti-racist work practices that we can start now.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(25:29)</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The real picture of how colleges and universities consider students seeking financial aid.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(31:42) Should we consider it a parenting failure if our child didn't attend college.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(33:21) What it means to be a good activist.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(35:56) How does social change start in volunteerism.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(38:26) Money talks with our child.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(40:17) Every part of how we live is infused with capitalism.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(42:20) How would advocating for other children's rights in the same manner that we advocate for our own children make a better future generation.</span>

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">There are lots of books available now on how to talk with children about issues related to race, but Sarah W. Jaffe noticed a gap: there weren't any books geared toward non-academic audiences talking about how the choices that predominantly well-off, predominantly White parents make impact other people. From childcare choices to school to college, at every step of the way we make decisions that reflect Wanting What's Best for our own child, but very often these decisions are rooted in the fear of our child falling behind in some way, and when we try to elevate our own child we often do it at the expense of others.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Sarah's book uncovers the ideas that underlie the seemingly innocuous decisions we make so we can ensure that our choices are really aligned with our values. It also provides a great counterpoint to the book that I'm in the process of writing, which will be on the ways we either pass on or disrupt the tools of White supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism to our own children through the daily interactions we have with them that don't seem to be about anything related to these topics. Publication date September 2023: stay tuned!</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Click here to order Sarah W. Jaffe's book </span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wanting-Whats-Best-Parenting-Privilege/dp/164160767X?crid=15ZVQXNCBK0HL&amp;keywords=wanting+what%27s+best&amp;qid=1656710123&amp;sprefix=wanting+what%27s+best,aps,122&amp;sr=8-1&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=yourparent0e9-20&amp;linkId=3f09296002c357a6b949e20d0afee823&amp;language=en_US&amp;ref_=as_li_ss_tl"><span style="font-weight: 400">Wanting What's Best: Parenting, Privilege, and Building a Just World</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> (affiliate link). </span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Shownotes:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(02:37) How our child should engage in the world.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(03:57) Learn why our fears affects how we raise our children.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(05:58) The importance of racism, patriarchy and capitalism conversation in our child.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(07:42) The inadequacies in the system and issues with childcare wages during the 1960s.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(10:07) Why is our Social Security System being unfair and unjust to farm laborers and domestic workers.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(11:45) How should we deal with the childcare systems as privileged parents.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(13:20) The ideal factors in choosing a daycare arrangement between public schools and private ones.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(14:19) Is it a good idea to take the funds from one school and give it to the other schools.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(17:17) How racial makeup of a school does play a big part in the perception of White parents when choosing a school.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(18:57) The good benefits of exposing our kids to a school with a diverse student body.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(19:43) The challenges we experienced as parents while working against racism.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(23:05) Anti-racist work practices that we can start now.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(25:29)</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The real picture of how colleges and universities consider students seeking financial aid.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(31:42) Should we consider it a parenting failure if our child didn't attend college.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(33:21) What it means to be a good activist.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(35:56) How does social change start in volunteerism.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(38:26) Money talks with our child.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(40:17) Every part of how we live is infused with capitalism.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(42:20) How would advocating for other children's rights in the same manner that we advocate for our own children make a better future generation.</span>

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/wantingwhatsbest]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">29c88dfe-6cc2-42ca-b7e4-5eeae4fe255b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c683d96e-b2d0-441c-affb-97a95fed9c87/Wanting-20What-27s-20Best.mp3" length="65107595" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/3220f8d3-013a-4e58-8dc1-d2599e920506/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>159: Supporting Girls’ Relationships with Dr. Marnina Gonick</title><itunes:title>159: Supporting Girls’ Relationships with Dr. Marnina Gonick</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I've been wanting to do this episode for a loooong time. We covered episodes a long time ago on <a class="ql-link" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/socialgroups/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">how children form social groups</a>, and <a class="ql-link" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/socialexclusion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">what happens when they exclude each other from play</a>, but I wanted to do an episode exploring this issue related to slightly older girls, and from a cultural perspective. There are a lot of books and articles out there on the concept of <em>mean girls</em> and I wanted to understand more about that. Why are girls 'mean' to each other? Is it really a choice they're making...or is it a choice in response to a complex set of demands that we put on them about what it means to be female in our culture?

&nbsp;

I had a really hard time finding anyone who was doing current research on the topic, and I mentioned this on a group coaching call in the Parenting Membership. A member, Caroline, said: “I know someone who can speak to this!”

&nbsp;

Caroline had explored girls’ relationships in young adult literature for her master’s thesis, and knew Dr. Marnina Gonick’s work. Caroline introduced us, Dr. Gonick agreed to talk, and we all had a great conversation about girls’ role in our culture, how they are affected by it, and how they are agents of change as well. Dr. Gonick is Canada Research Chair in Gender and also holds a joint appointment in Education and Women’s Studies at Mount St. Vincent University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. She has written two books on the topic of girls’ relationships as well as a whole host of peer-reviewed articles.

&nbsp;

Dr. Gonick also introduced me to an expert on boys’ relationships and we’re currently working to schedule an interview in a few weeks so there should be more to come on that soon!

&nbsp;
<p style="background: white;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><strong><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Dr. Marnina Gonick’s Books:</span></strong></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none" style="background: white;text-align: start;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3nVGOVG"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Young Femininity: Girlhood, Power and Social Change </span></span></span><span id="productSubtitle"><span class="a-size-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none">2004th Edition</span></span></span></a></span></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none" style="background: white;text-align: start;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yzUhao"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Between Femininities: Ambivalence, Identity, and the Education of Girls (SUNY series, Second Thoughts: New Theoretical Formations)</span></span></span></a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(03:36) How changes in cultural norms influence our understanding of what it means to be a girl.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(05:27) The way in which a change in behavior can help us understand the experiences of girls in general.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(06:36) What does the school curriculum say about girls that causes them to be disadvantaged in schools.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(08:35) How damaging it is for girls to be victims in a patriarchal society.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(10:25) Why our social systems aren't necessarily organized around girls' well-being</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(12:50) The concept of girl power can be seen as either working for or against females.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(14:46) The Social Barriers to Girl Power.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(16:44) Criticisms of the movie "Mean Girls" and how they relate to the topic of empowering women in general.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(18:34) The relational aggressiveness between boys and girls.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(21:45) Why school cultures play a significant influence in bullying.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(24:19) Finding acceptable ways for girls to show their relational aggression.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(26:17) Factors that influences a child to become racist and disrespectful.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(28:07) A growing number of institutions and businesses have taken an interest in the girl power movement.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(31:34) Girls' ways of discovering their sense of identity/sexuality.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(35:16) Different notions of sexiness in girls.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(39:28) How heterosexuality highlights femininity.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(41:24) Girls are going to be mean to each other human nature makes it inevitable.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(43:37) How important is it to understand our feelings and the feelings of our children.</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Aapola, S., Gonick, M., &amp; Harris, A. (2005). Young femininity: Girlhood, power, and social change. Basingstoke: Palgrave MacMillan

<hr />

Bethune, J., &amp; Gonick, M. (2017). Schooling the mean girl: A critical discourse analysis of teacher resource materials. Gender and Education 29(3), 389-404.

<hr />

Dellasega, C., &amp; Nixon, C. (2003). Girl wars: 12 strategies that will end female bullying. New York: Fireside.

<hr />

Gonick, M. (2003). Between femininities: Ambivalence, identity, and the education of girls. Albany: State University of New York Press.

<hr />

Gonick, M. (2004). VII. The ‘mean girl’ crisis: Problematizing representations of girls’ friendships. Feminism &amp; Psychology 14(3), 395-400.

<hr />

Gonick, M. (2006). Between “girl power” and “Reviving Ophelia”: Constituting the neoliberal girl subject. NWSA Journal 18(2), 1-23.

<hr />

Gonick, M., Renold, E., Ringrose, J., &amp; Weems, L. (2009). Rethinking agency and resistance: What comes after Girl Power? Girlhood Studies 2(2), 1-9.

<hr />

Gonick, M., Vanner, C., Mitchell, C., &amp; Dugal, A. (2021). ‘We want freedom not just safety’: Biography of a Girlfesto as a strategic tool in youth activism. Young 29(2), 101-118.

<hr />

Goodwin, M.H. (2006). The hidden life of girls; Games of stance, status, and exclusion. Malden: Blackwell.

<hr />

Kehily, M.J., Ghaill, M.M.A., Epstein, D., &amp; Redman, P. (2002). Private girls and public worlds: Producing femininities in the primary school. Discourse: Studies in the Cultural Politics of Education 23(2), 167-177.

<hr />

Ludwig, T., &amp; Adams, B. (2012). Confessions of a former bully. Decorah: Dragonfly.

<hr />

Renold, E. (2006). ‘They won’t let us play…unless you’re going out with one of them’: Girls, boys, and Butler’s ‘Heterosexual Matrix’ in the primary years. British Journal of Sociology of Education 27(4), 489-509.

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I've been wanting to do this episode for a loooong time. We covered episodes a long time ago on <a class="ql-link" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/socialgroups/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">how children form social groups</a>, and <a class="ql-link" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/socialexclusion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">what happens when they exclude each other from play</a>, but I wanted to do an episode exploring this issue related to slightly older girls, and from a cultural perspective. There are a lot of books and articles out there on the concept of <em>mean girls</em> and I wanted to understand more about that. Why are girls 'mean' to each other? Is it really a choice they're making...or is it a choice in response to a complex set of demands that we put on them about what it means to be female in our culture?

&nbsp;

I had a really hard time finding anyone who was doing current research on the topic, and I mentioned this on a group coaching call in the Parenting Membership. A member, Caroline, said: “I know someone who can speak to this!”

&nbsp;

Caroline had explored girls’ relationships in young adult literature for her master’s thesis, and knew Dr. Marnina Gonick’s work. Caroline introduced us, Dr. Gonick agreed to talk, and we all had a great conversation about girls’ role in our culture, how they are affected by it, and how they are agents of change as well. Dr. Gonick is Canada Research Chair in Gender and also holds a joint appointment in Education and Women’s Studies at Mount St. Vincent University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. She has written two books on the topic of girls’ relationships as well as a whole host of peer-reviewed articles.

&nbsp;

Dr. Gonick also introduced me to an expert on boys’ relationships and we’re currently working to schedule an interview in a few weeks so there should be more to come on that soon!

&nbsp;
<p style="background: white;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><strong><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Dr. Marnina Gonick’s Books:</span></strong></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none" style="background: white;text-align: start;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3nVGOVG"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Young Femininity: Girlhood, Power and Social Change </span></span></span><span id="productSubtitle"><span class="a-size-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none">2004th Edition</span></span></span></a></span></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none" style="background: white;text-align: start;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yzUhao"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Between Femininities: Ambivalence, Identity, and the Education of Girls (SUNY series, Second Thoughts: New Theoretical Formations)</span></span></span></a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(03:36) How changes in cultural norms influence our understanding of what it means to be a girl.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(05:27) The way in which a change in behavior can help us understand the experiences of girls in general.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(06:36) What does the school curriculum say about girls that causes them to be disadvantaged in schools.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(08:35) How damaging it is for girls to be victims in a patriarchal society.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(10:25) Why our social systems aren't necessarily organized around girls' well-being</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(12:50) The concept of girl power can be seen as either working for or against females.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(14:46) The Social Barriers to Girl Power.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(16:44) Criticisms of the movie "Mean Girls" and how they relate to the topic of empowering women in general.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(18:34) The relational aggressiveness between boys and girls.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(21:45) Why school cultures play a significant influence in bullying.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(24:19) Finding acceptable ways for girls to show their relational aggression.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(26:17) Factors that influences a child to become racist and disrespectful.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(28:07) A growing number of institutions and businesses have taken an interest in the girl power movement.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(31:34) Girls' ways of discovering their sense of identity/sexuality.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(35:16) Different notions of sexiness in girls.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(39:28) How heterosexuality highlights femininity.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(41:24) Girls are going to be mean to each other human nature makes it inevitable.</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">(43:37) How important is it to understand our feelings and the feelings of our children.</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Aapola, S., Gonick, M., &amp; Harris, A. (2005). Young femininity: Girlhood, power, and social change. Basingstoke: Palgrave MacMillan

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Bethune, J., &amp; Gonick, M. (2017). Schooling the mean girl: A critical discourse analysis of teacher resource materials. Gender and Education 29(3), 389-404.

<hr />

Dellasega, C., &amp; Nixon, C. (2003). Girl wars: 12 strategies that will end female bullying. New York: Fireside.

<hr />

Gonick, M. (2003). Between femininities: Ambivalence, identity, and the education of girls. Albany: State University of New York Press.

<hr />

Gonick, M. (2004). VII. The ‘mean girl’ crisis: Problematizing representations of girls’ friendships. Feminism &amp; Psychology 14(3), 395-400.

<hr />

Gonick, M. (2006). Between “girl power” and “Reviving Ophelia”: Constituting the neoliberal girl subject. NWSA Journal 18(2), 1-23.

<hr />

Gonick, M., Renold, E., Ringrose, J., &amp; Weems, L. (2009). Rethinking agency and resistance: What comes after Girl Power? Girlhood Studies 2(2), 1-9.

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Gonick, M., Vanner, C., Mitchell, C., &amp; Dugal, A. (2021). ‘We want freedom not just safety’: Biography of a Girlfesto as a strategic tool in youth activism. Young 29(2), 101-118.

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Goodwin, M.H. (2006). The hidden life of girls; Games of stance, status, and exclusion. Malden: Blackwell.

<hr />

Kehily, M.J., Ghaill, M.M.A., Epstein, D., &amp; Redman, P. (2002). Private girls and public worlds: Producing femininities in the primary school. Discourse: Studies in the Cultural Politics of Education 23(2), 167-177.

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Ludwig, T., &amp; Adams, B. (2012). Confessions of a former bully. Decorah: Dragonfly.

<hr />

Renold, E. (2006). ‘They won’t let us play…unless you’re going out with one of them’: Girls, boys, and Butler’s ‘Heterosexual Matrix’ in the primary years. British Journal of Sociology of Education 27(4), 489-509.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/youngfemininity]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">19d6530b-f418-4a6f-ae11-c8e37491ee57</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a144b096-5584-4698-9206-a11343e855bd/Girls-20Relationship.mp3" length="71021414" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a33226fa-a4ef-45d2-894a-5f0d221c064f/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>158: Deconstructing Developmental Psychology with Dr. Erica Burman</title><itunes:title>158: Deconstructing Developmental Psychology with Dr. Erica Burman</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">I read a lot of textbooks on parenting for my Master’s in Psychology (Child Development), I’ve read tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers on the topic, and part of the reason it’s hard work is that you can’t ever take things at face value.</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">In her now classic book Deconstructing Developmental Psychology, Dr. Erica Burman explodes a number of our ideas about child development by calling our attention to what’s really going on in an interaction, rather than what we think is going on.</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">For example, there’s a classic study where researchers put a baby on a solid surface which changed to glass, which had a design underneath implying that there was a ‘cliff edge’ that the baby would fall off if it went onto the glass. Researchers designed the experiment to find out what babies could understand about depth perception, but perhaps what they were actually testing was the extent to which the mother’s encouragement or lack of encouragement (and it was always the mother) could entice the baby across the ‘gap.’</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">These kinds of confounds exist throughout the research base, and because we’re not taught to look below the surface it can be easy to accept the results at face value. Dr. Burman specializes in looking below the surface so we can examine: what are we really trying to understand here? And in doing this, are we reinforcing the same old ideas about ‘success’ that aren’t really serving us now, never mind our children in the future?</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<strong><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Dr. Erica Burman’s Book:</span></strong>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uGQpmR"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Deconstructing Developmental Psychology </span></span></span><span id="productSubtitle"><span class="a-size-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none">3rd Edition</span></span></span></a></span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uHaEkp"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Developments: Child, Image, Nation </span></span></span></a><span class="a-size-large"><span id="productSubtitle"> </span></span>(Affiliate links).</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<strong><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Jump to highlights:</span></strong>

(01:12) The contribution of Professor Erica Burman to psychology.

(03:05) First studies about Childhood Development.

(04:26) How general philosophical questions are linked in child studies.

(07:42) Childhood as a distinct social category.

(09:10) The Concept of Human Interiority and Childhood.

(10:17) Our hopes, fears, and fantasies about childhood reflect our ideas about our lost selves.

(13:23) How the study of child development shifted when behaviorism came into play.

(16:28) We assume psychology is connected with child development.

(18:27) Importance of Democratic Parenting in our society.

(19:57) Developmental researchers oppressed working mothers and middle-class mothers.

(22:23) Impacts of authoritarian regimes in our parenting.
(27:19) Using visual cliff as an experiment in understanding depth perception in children.

(29:06) A child is functioning within a dynamic system of people and objects and everything around it.

(31:02) Mother’s appear as the sort of a presumed natural environment to children.

(33:11) Nuclear family performs ideological functions for Capitalism.

(37:00) Whether or not spanking should be banned.

(38:09) The ways environments inhibit certain behaviors.

(39:19) How welfare policies have affected families.

(42:27) Discussing the important discourses in parenting’s social and political issues in the book DDP.

&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

Emma 00:04

Hi, I’m Emma, and I’m listening from the UK we all want our children to lead fulfilled lives. But we’re surrounded by conflicting information and clickbait headlines that leave us wondering what to do as parents. The Your Parenting Mojo podcast is still scientific research on parenting and child development into tools parents can actually use everyday in their real lives with their real children. If you’d like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a free infographic on the 13 reasons your child isn’t listening to you and what to do about each one, just head on over to YourParentingmojo.com/subscribe, and pretty soon you’re going to get tired of hearing my voice read this intro so come and record one yourself at YourParentingmojo.com/recordtheintro

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan 00:45

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to take a dive into a topic that cuts across many of the ideas that we discuss here on the podcast. We’re going to take a critical look at the topic of Developmental Psychology as a whole and what we can learn about it when we raise our eyes up off the specific topics like theory of mind, and language development, and attachment that we often spend a lot of time delving into and consider the topics that these sit within. My guest for the conversation is Professor Erica Berman. Professor Berman is Professor of Education at the University of Manchester, an Associate Fellow of the British Psychological Society and the United Kingdom Council of Psychotherapists, and a registered Group Analyst. She trained as a developmental psychologist and is well known as a critical developmental psychologist specializing in innovative and activist qualitative research. Her research is focused on critical development and educational psychology, feminist and postcolonial theory, childhood studies on critical mental health practice, particularly around gender and cultural issues. Much of her work addresses the connections between emotions, mental health, and individual and social change. She’s a past chair of the Psychology of Women’s section of the British Psychological Society. And in 2016, she was awarded an Honorary Lifetime Fellowship at the British Psychological Society in recognition of her contribution to psychology. She’s associate editor of the Sage Encyclopedia of Childhood and Childhood Studies and the author of a number of books, most significantly, Deconstructing Developmental Psychology. And since it seems as though friends of the book have the right to call it DDP, we’re going to go ahead and do that here too. DDP is now in its third edition, and was honored with a special edition of the journal feminism and psychology discussing the impact of the book on the 20th anniversary of the publication of the first edition of the book, which really critiques mainstream theories and research methods to help us understand whether research on child development tells us more about the child, the researchers or the social environment that both of these exists within. So whether you’re expecting a child or you’re a new parent, perhaps you’re newer to my work, or whether you already have a child who’s getting on in years, and you’ve been a listener for a while, you’re going to find something new in this conversation that helps you step outside these usual topics and ask well, how did we get here? And where are we going? And even is this where we want to go? Welcome Professor Berman. It’s such an honor to have you here.

&nbsp;

Erica Burman 02:55

Thank you for inviting me.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan 02:57

So maybe we can start with a little topic at the beginning of all of this the study of child development. How do we start studying children? How did all this come about?

&nbsp;

Erica Burman 03:05

Well, yes, it’s not a small question. And I guess there are different ways of telling that story of how child development came about. The conventional story that you will read about in child development textbooks usually talks about the emergence of the Child Study movement. In fact, many men of a certain kind of class background started to take an interest in their own children, studying them in some detail. So the first studies about children and childhood are of a sort of semi-formal kind, observational studies by the fathers, not the mothers, otherwise occupied and not intellectual enough to engage in this esteemed new area of study. So their diary studies, and indeed, that methodological approach, remain a very important one for the study of early childhood in general, especially very early childhood and language development, and so on. So the child study movement, in a sense, is both the beginning of the study of psychology and also psychiatry. And in a way, slight child psychology and psychiatry really were elaborated alongside each other, almost indistinguishable. The questions that were motivating those first studies and inquiries, it’s fair to say, I think we’re not really specifically about children. It was an interest in the study of the child as a way to explore much more general philosophical questions. Questions about nature and nurture themselves are sort of laid on to older questions about original sin or free will, etc. And we continue to live with those big philosophical questions that people tend to look to the study of childhood to solve, and I have to admit that, in a way, that’s what kind of...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">I read a lot of textbooks on parenting for my Master’s in Psychology (Child Development), I’ve read tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers on the topic, and part of the reason it’s hard work is that you can’t ever take things at face value.</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">In her now classic book Deconstructing Developmental Psychology, Dr. Erica Burman explodes a number of our ideas about child development by calling our attention to what’s really going on in an interaction, rather than what we think is going on.</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">For example, there’s a classic study where researchers put a baby on a solid surface which changed to glass, which had a design underneath implying that there was a ‘cliff edge’ that the baby would fall off if it went onto the glass. Researchers designed the experiment to find out what babies could understand about depth perception, but perhaps what they were actually testing was the extent to which the mother’s encouragement or lack of encouragement (and it was always the mother) could entice the baby across the ‘gap.’</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">These kinds of confounds exist throughout the research base, and because we’re not taught to look below the surface it can be easy to accept the results at face value. Dr. Burman specializes in looking below the surface so we can examine: what are we really trying to understand here? And in doing this, are we reinforcing the same old ideas about ‘success’ that aren’t really serving us now, never mind our children in the future?</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<strong><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Dr. Erica Burman’s Book:</span></strong>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uGQpmR"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Deconstructing Developmental Psychology </span></span></span><span id="productSubtitle"><span class="a-size-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none">3rd Edition</span></span></span></a></span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uHaEkp"><span class="a-size-extra-large"><span style="color: #fb8b06;text-decoration: none"><span id="productTitle">Developments: Child, Image, Nation </span></span></span></a><span class="a-size-large"><span id="productSubtitle"> </span></span>(Affiliate links).</span>

<span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333"> </span>

<strong><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Jump to highlights:</span></strong>

(01:12) The contribution of Professor Erica Burman to psychology.

(03:05) First studies about Childhood Development.

(04:26) How general philosophical questions are linked in child studies.

(07:42) Childhood as a distinct social category.

(09:10) The Concept of Human Interiority and Childhood.

(10:17) Our hopes, fears, and fantasies about childhood reflect our ideas about our lost selves.

(13:23) How the study of child development shifted when behaviorism came into play.

(16:28) We assume psychology is connected with child development.

(18:27) Importance of Democratic Parenting in our society.

(19:57) Developmental researchers oppressed working mothers and middle-class mothers.

(22:23) Impacts of authoritarian regimes in our parenting.
(27:19) Using visual cliff as an experiment in understanding depth perception in children.

(29:06) A child is functioning within a dynamic system of people and objects and everything around it.

(31:02) Mother’s appear as the sort of a presumed natural environment to children.

(33:11) Nuclear family performs ideological functions for Capitalism.

(37:00) Whether or not spanking should be banned.

(38:09) The ways environments inhibit certain behaviors.

(39:19) How welfare policies have affected families.

(42:27) Discussing the important discourses in parenting’s social and political issues in the book DDP.

&nbsp;

[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

&nbsp;

Emma 00:04

Hi, I’m Emma, and I’m listening from the UK we all want our children to lead fulfilled lives. But we’re surrounded by conflicting information and clickbait headlines that leave us wondering what to do as parents. The Your Parenting Mojo podcast is still scientific research on parenting and child development into tools parents can actually use everyday in their real lives with their real children. If you’d like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a free infographic on the 13 reasons your child isn’t listening to you and what to do about each one, just head on over to YourParentingmojo.com/subscribe, and pretty soon you’re going to get tired of hearing my voice read this intro so come and record one yourself at YourParentingmojo.com/recordtheintro

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan 00:45

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to take a dive into a topic that cuts across many of the ideas that we discuss here on the podcast. We’re going to take a critical look at the topic of Developmental Psychology as a whole and what we can learn about it when we raise our eyes up off the specific topics like theory of mind, and language development, and attachment that we often spend a lot of time delving into and consider the topics that these sit within. My guest for the conversation is Professor Erica Berman. Professor Berman is Professor of Education at the University of Manchester, an Associate Fellow of the British Psychological Society and the United Kingdom Council of Psychotherapists, and a registered Group Analyst. She trained as a developmental psychologist and is well known as a critical developmental psychologist specializing in innovative and activist qualitative research. Her research is focused on critical development and educational psychology, feminist and postcolonial theory, childhood studies on critical mental health practice, particularly around gender and cultural issues. Much of her work addresses the connections between emotions, mental health, and individual and social change. She’s a past chair of the Psychology of Women’s section of the British Psychological Society. And in 2016, she was awarded an Honorary Lifetime Fellowship at the British Psychological Society in recognition of her contribution to psychology. She’s associate editor of the Sage Encyclopedia of Childhood and Childhood Studies and the author of a number of books, most significantly, Deconstructing Developmental Psychology. And since it seems as though friends of the book have the right to call it DDP, we’re going to go ahead and do that here too. DDP is now in its third edition, and was honored with a special edition of the journal feminism and psychology discussing the impact of the book on the 20th anniversary of the publication of the first edition of the book, which really critiques mainstream theories and research methods to help us understand whether research on child development tells us more about the child, the researchers or the social environment that both of these exists within. So whether you’re expecting a child or you’re a new parent, perhaps you’re newer to my work, or whether you already have a child who’s getting on in years, and you’ve been a listener for a while, you’re going to find something new in this conversation that helps you step outside these usual topics and ask well, how did we get here? And where are we going? And even is this where we want to go? Welcome Professor Berman. It’s such an honor to have you here.

&nbsp;

Erica Burman 02:55

Thank you for inviting me.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan 02:57

So maybe we can start with a little topic at the beginning of all of this the study of child development. How do we start studying children? How did all this come about?

&nbsp;

Erica Burman 03:05

Well, yes, it’s not a small question. And I guess there are different ways of telling that story of how child development came about. The conventional story that you will read about in child development textbooks usually talks about the emergence of the Child Study movement. In fact, many men of a certain kind of class background started to take an interest in their own children, studying them in some detail. So the first studies about children and childhood are of a sort of semi-formal kind, observational studies by the fathers, not the mothers, otherwise occupied and not intellectual enough to engage in this esteemed new area of study. So their diary studies, and indeed, that methodological approach, remain a very important one for the study of early childhood in general, especially very early childhood and language development, and so on. So the child study movement, in a sense, is both the beginning of the study of psychology and also psychiatry. And in a way, slight child psychology and psychiatry really were elaborated alongside each other, almost indistinguishable. The questions that were motivating those first studies and inquiries, it’s fair to say, I think we’re not really specifically about children. It was an interest in the study of the child as a way to explore much more general philosophical questions. Questions about nature and nurture themselves are sort of laid on to older questions about original sin or free will, etc. And we continue to live with those big philosophical questions that people tend to look to the study of childhood to solve, and I have to admit that, in a way, that’s what kind of brought me to study developmental psychology. It wasn’t that I was interested in children particularly, I just sort of felt like a true modern rationalist that this was a way to sort of engage in, you know, very general interests. I had was the case for Piaget, who was motivated to study, but it wasn’t just him that the origins of knowledge and how it developed through the study of the child. So were these kinds of philosophical questions. And people were sort of starting to explore them alongside a set of political concerns of the time and of the political structures of the time with the rise of the nation state and so on about the state of the population, about molding, in a sense, sort of knowing about and also controlling the future workforce, future citizens, etc. Now, all of that is, I think, sort of one version of the story of the origins of child development that is generally quite widely accepted. I think there’s another narrative, I would want to add in their second one, which I’ve already alluded to, about the rise of the nation state. All of this was happening alongside imperialist wars going on. I mean, these gentlemen who were studying children, but also the gentlemen who were going off and studying the flora and fauna, were to them exotic places and bringing them back. You know, if you can look around the English countryside, it’s full of plants that were brought from all over the world that these gentlemen tried to recreate it in their land that they owned, so that, you know, Britain’s full of rhododendron, but that’s the national plant of the Himalayas, Nepal, I think it is. So what was happening was that, in a way, the study of children emerged quite late in the scene, because really, the flora and fauna were of more interest for quite a long time. And it was only when these other kinds of political agendas started to surface about managing populations, including colonized populations, that children became a good route by which to think about that, and the management of parenting. But all of this, of course, was happening. It’s not just about psychology or child psychology, it was happening alongside the rise of other social sciences, you could say, like sociology and social policy. And I think it’s also worth bearing in mind that, as I said, these child studies, in a sense, seem to kick it off. So that’s the sort of second narrative, I think it’s important. And this third one, I think, is important in thinking about why childhood came to be seen as a distinct category. I mean, that’s where we need to sort of think more broadly, historically, and culturally and think about how the invention of childhood, we know that there is a history of childhood and what that means from Philippi raise onwards, that the invention of the idea of childhood as a distinct social category, rather than something that’s integrated in daily life, that coincided with emerging ideas within and from European culture, about the idea of the individual and that individual has a sort of interiority itself. Now that is really something that in terms of our ideas about ourselves, and awareness of ourselves really kind of starts from the mid-18th century onwards, these ideas about childhood were emerging alongside the idea of the individual and alongside the idea that that individual has an interiority you know, some sense of awareness of itself can reflect on separately from others. And that was emerging alongside other disciplines like the ideas associated with what we would now recognize to be biology and, equally at the same time, psychoanalysis, the ideas that then eventually were to be sort of named by Freud as psychoanalysis, so ideas about nature and ideas about history. And this is where I mean, I’m very convinced by the account that Carolyn Steedman wrote a long time ago about it’s called strange dislocations, childhood, and the idea of human interiority. I think it’s sort of 18 something Tto 19 something, historians always do that. So you have to situate the interest in childhood alongside these other sorts of developments in people’s ideas about the course of history, having a cause, having a going somewhere and having consequences. And I think all that invites, you know, several other kinds of questions. The first one is that when we study children, are we only studying children? I mean, it’s one of the claims I make in deconstructing developmental psychology, that a child always involves constituting positions for others around that child, whether it’s the proximal positions of the caregivers, the gender positions of all of that, or family or the state or whatever. So we can’t abstract the child from a set of relationships. And you can see, I’m a psychotherapist as well. Our fantasies of our lost selves, or our better selves, or our true selves, something like that, that gets played out in people’s hopes and fears and fantasies about childhood. And that’s all been going on for quite a long time, from the mid 18th century onwards. Because if you look at that history that Sally Shuttleworth writes about in of European childhood, there were always sort of crisis about child labor, about hothouse children and then being cramming and there’s always been moral panics, you might say about children’s sexuality, that’s always been a difficult area, etc, wider historical view is useful to see, generally speaking, the sort of hot issues we encounter in our day are not new, but are just a new take on a very long standing set of themes. But also, I think there are consequences for thinking about that the ways our fantasies about ourselves get tied up with what we think about and want for children. Those typically get in the way, in my opinion of our engagement with the actual embodied specific children in front of us. And I think I say this quite a lot in the book. You know, the third issue that arises, given that there is so much going on in the study of the child, is genuine confusion about what the unit of development is, as well as what the model of time is. I mean, are we talking about individual development? Are we talking about child development? Are we talking about national development because all of these concerns are all international development, they all get wrapped up into the study of the child in a way that I think becomes remarkably inattentive to particular children.

Jen Lumanlan 11:58

Yeah, and I’ve been doing a lot of research on resilience over the last few days. And I think it really comes out there that many of the criteria that we use to judge children’s resilience are related to things like their executive function capabilities, their grades, their employment, their criminality, or lack thereof. And it’s pretty clear that the state has a very vested interest in a particular outcome here. And to the extent that they can support development in the younger years, and have it be cost effective later on, then, yeah, we’re talking about the development of the state, as we’re talking about how to support individual children. And of course, on the international stage, it plays out in similar statistics and the league tables of standardized test results, I guess, would be the most obvious one that comes to mind that absolutely, clearly, there’s this huge framework that it all sits within that we’re not just looking at the child, this has so many connections to how we think of ourselves and our place within society as well. And we just sort of reduce it back and think, Okay, if we can go back to the source, we’ll make it easier to understand, when actually maybe it introduces a whole bunch of other concerns. But I’m wondering if it’s possible to briefly trace how our understanding of children’s development has shifted, particularly since the 60s, I guess, when behaviorism was sort of the in way of seeing things. I don’t know if you want to go any further back than that. But I think there have been a few really key shifts that have happened since then. I’d love to get your perspective on them.

&nbsp;

Erica Burman 13:19

Yeah, I suppose I would want to go a bit further back.

Jen Lumanlan 13:22

I thought you might

Erica Burman 13:23

A very psychoanalytically oriented study of the child. It was before, in an anglophone context, now quite a strict division between psychology and psychoanalysis. Although in other parts of the world, a lot of psychology is very psychoanalytic. So one has to be careful about the claims here. So those early child studies interested in emotions. And you can see that in Piaget, he was at of that whole sort of tranche of work. Although it was a bit later, he wasn’t interested in testing children, he was interested in trying to formulate the whole structure of children’s thought, and I don’t think he did it sufficiently relationally. But I think he was certainly doing some very interesting things that I did do by Piaget and sort of, like clinical or critical study myself at some point, as well as some, you know, engaging in a lot of the critiques. So before behaviorism, there was the sight of a few, like a very, sort of psycho dynamically oriented understanding of children. I mean, and it’s also worth saying in relation to psychiatry, too, we think of psychiatry as being very medical and empiricist and behavioral, but actually, the first DSM was very psychoanalytically informed. It’s important not to forget that sort of psychoanalytic history, because people kick back against it and don’t want to remember it, but it has its traces in various ways that I think we do need to be aware of in positive and negative ways. Social Work also used to be incredibly psychoanalytic both in the United States in North America and in Britain. And now it’s very hard to find traces of that. But It’s important to remember that there have been different models. Again, I’d like to just having made that point, step back once again, and say there’s one version of that story that you could...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/ddp]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">11cc7733-b35d-46bc-b6ef-5e3e3a9156ff</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2022 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9742b75e-3b3f-4d69-85e3-3f4fbbb76ae8/DDP-Episode.mp3" length="70460466" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>157: How to find your village</title><itunes:title>157: How to find your village</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[For the first time, in this episode I bow out and and let listeners Jenny and Emma take over, who wanted to share how they’ve been supporting each other over the last few months.

&nbsp;

They started from pretty different points: Emma wasn’t having parenting struggles, but often over-communicated with her husband and he would stonewall in response, agreeing to whatever she asked so she would stop talking. Then he would resist later, and she couldn’t understand why…because he had agreed, right?

&nbsp;

Jenny’s sleep had been disturbed by her child for more than four years…she was exhausted, and had no idea how to deal with her rage-filled kindergartener who would hit her whenever he was upset.

&nbsp;

Neither of them had much confidence that being on a Zoom call together for 40 minutes a week would help them.

&nbsp;

Emma and her husband now communicate in a way that meets both of their needs, and can navigate the challenges that come up with their preschooler.

&nbsp;

Jenny is sleeping! And she has learned how deep listening and true empathy help her son to feel really heard…and incidents that used to lead to 45 minute meltdowns that would disrupt the rest of the day are now over in 10 minutes, and are actually connecting for them.

&nbsp;

Jenny and Emma did all this with a bit of information from me…but mostly by being fully present for each other in a small ‘village’ of parents, inside the slightly larger village of the Parenting Membership.

&nbsp;

If you want help to break down the changes you want to make into tiny manageable steps and be held (gently!) accountable for taking them (or adjusting course if needed…), we’d love to have you join the three of us plus a group of likeminded parents in the membership.

&nbsp;

Get the information you need and the support to actually implement it, all in what members call “the least judgmental corner of the internet.”

&nbsp;

<!--StartFragment --><span class="cf0">The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:00 Jenny and Emma came up with the idea to record an episode for the podcast to talk about how their parenting has changed over the last year.

01:55 Emma wasn’t having major problems, but wanted to be prepared for the challenges that may happen down the road.

02:36 Jenny was struggling because she hadn’t had a full night’s sleep in 4 ½ years…and now prioritizes herself through the support of Emma and the members of the ACTion group.

03:55 An open Invitation to join the Parenting Membership.

04:45 Because Emma is a high achiever, she imagined parenthood to be a breeze.

06:57 Jenny believed that if you are prepared and serene, and you bring this calm energy to your pregnancy, you will have an easy child.

08:24 The lack of understanding of our values is what causes us to be conflicted about becoming parents.

12:00Our child’s big feelings are their way of letting us know that they are not okay.

14:30 It's great to have a community who we can trust, and who will support and respect our values

16:30 The ACTion group conversation once a week gives parents a foundation to parent more intentionally

18:26 Emma used the problem-solving method to find a solution for her child's resistance during nail cutting by trying to hypothesize her child’s feelings.

20:17 Needs can be met when you remove the ‘shoulds.’

25:31 Jenny’s parenting has been a lot less tense over the past year and a half, which was a wonderful surprise.

30:48 Jenny saw big changes when she used a deep listening technique with her son during an episode of intense anger and frustration, which ended the episode much more quickly than usual!

37:25 It's life-changing to see a profound change in our children and ourselves when both of our needs are fulfilled.

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[For the first time, in this episode I bow out and and let listeners Jenny and Emma take over, who wanted to share how they’ve been supporting each other over the last few months.

&nbsp;

They started from pretty different points: Emma wasn’t having parenting struggles, but often over-communicated with her husband and he would stonewall in response, agreeing to whatever she asked so she would stop talking. Then he would resist later, and she couldn’t understand why…because he had agreed, right?

&nbsp;

Jenny’s sleep had been disturbed by her child for more than four years…she was exhausted, and had no idea how to deal with her rage-filled kindergartener who would hit her whenever he was upset.

&nbsp;

Neither of them had much confidence that being on a Zoom call together for 40 minutes a week would help them.

&nbsp;

Emma and her husband now communicate in a way that meets both of their needs, and can navigate the challenges that come up with their preschooler.

&nbsp;

Jenny is sleeping! And she has learned how deep listening and true empathy help her son to feel really heard…and incidents that used to lead to 45 minute meltdowns that would disrupt the rest of the day are now over in 10 minutes, and are actually connecting for them.

&nbsp;

Jenny and Emma did all this with a bit of information from me…but mostly by being fully present for each other in a small ‘village’ of parents, inside the slightly larger village of the Parenting Membership.

&nbsp;

If you want help to break down the changes you want to make into tiny manageable steps and be held (gently!) accountable for taking them (or adjusting course if needed…), we’d love to have you join the three of us plus a group of likeminded parents in the membership.

&nbsp;

Get the information you need and the support to actually implement it, all in what members call “the least judgmental corner of the internet.”

&nbsp;

<!--StartFragment --><span class="cf0">The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:00 Jenny and Emma came up with the idea to record an episode for the podcast to talk about how their parenting has changed over the last year.

01:55 Emma wasn’t having major problems, but wanted to be prepared for the challenges that may happen down the road.

02:36 Jenny was struggling because she hadn’t had a full night’s sleep in 4 ½ years…and now prioritizes herself through the support of Emma and the members of the ACTion group.

03:55 An open Invitation to join the Parenting Membership.

04:45 Because Emma is a high achiever, she imagined parenthood to be a breeze.

06:57 Jenny believed that if you are prepared and serene, and you bring this calm energy to your pregnancy, you will have an easy child.

08:24 The lack of understanding of our values is what causes us to be conflicted about becoming parents.

12:00Our child’s big feelings are their way of letting us know that they are not okay.

14:30 It's great to have a community who we can trust, and who will support and respect our values

16:30 The ACTion group conversation once a week gives parents a foundation to parent more intentionally

18:26 Emma used the problem-solving method to find a solution for her child's resistance during nail cutting by trying to hypothesize her child’s feelings.

20:17 Needs can be met when you remove the ‘shoulds.’

25:31 Jenny’s parenting has been a lot less tense over the past year and a half, which was a wonderful surprise.

30:48 Jenny saw big changes when she used a deep listening technique with her son during an episode of intense anger and frustration, which ended the episode much more quickly than usual!

37:25 It's life-changing to see a profound change in our children and ourselves when both of our needs are fulfilled.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/village]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5b2600c1-a5fb-47b8-9f1a-4dd65292f0aa</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2022 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/466c8207-cde0-4bfa-b12c-9c9f148681c8/Jenny-20and-20Emma-Episode-1.mp3" length="77140969" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>157</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>157</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/f4ce6f39-bf40-4331-9ab3-3dac7b35ebaa/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>156: From desperation to collaboration</title><itunes:title>156: From desperation to collaboration</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Adrianna and Tim had read all the parenting books. (And I mean ALL the books.)

&nbsp;

But NOTHING seemed to be working.

&nbsp;

They were still feeling frustrated with their kids on a very regular basis.

&nbsp;

And their kids were fighting what seemed like every second of the day.

&nbsp;

They joined the Parenting Membership last May, and the transformation our community has seen in them has been profound.

&nbsp;

The shift started after we had a consult about their youngest daughter’s difficult behavior, which we realized was a sign of her unmet needs. (I do these 1:1 (or 1:2!) consults on a regular basis for members when I see them struggling with an issue that just can’t be addressed in writing.)

&nbsp;

Ideas percolated. They increased the amount of 1:1 time they were spending with her, doing things she liked to do.

&nbsp;

They attended a couple of group coaching calls and we talked more about their specific situation.

&nbsp;

Things improved a bit.

&nbsp;

But then it all came to a head when Adrianna posted in the community about her children’s fighting, which had become more intense than ever.

&nbsp;

A whole lot of parents chimed in with ideas to support them, which are grounded in the ideas I’d previously discussed with her - but sometimes you need to hear things in a different way, with stories from parents who have just recently been through the same difficult stuff you’re experiencing, and they made it out the other side.

&nbsp;

Suddenly something clicked for Adrianna. She started to see her children’s needs in a way she hadn’t before, and she started having super explicit conversations with them about their needs, and also her needs.

&nbsp;

And then the magic started to happen, firstly in interactions between either Adrianna or Tim and their oldest child, Bodhi:

&nbsp;

Then the two children began using these problem solving tools between themselves. All of a sudden these two children who had literally been tearing each other’s hair out could identify their own needs, and each other’s needs, and find solutions that work for both of them. And they’re five and three years old!

&nbsp;

And all of this happened in what Adrianna calls the most supportive, least judgmental corner of the internet:

&nbsp;

I invited Adrianna and Tim to tell us about their journey on the podcast.

&nbsp;

Their response - delivered in unison - when I asked them: “So you’d read all the books, and you had so many doubts that ANYTHING could work for you…so why on earth did you join the membership?” was priceless.

&nbsp;
<h3>Pa<strong>renting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

<!--StartFragment --><span class="cf0">The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:46 Overview of Adrianna and Tim's membership journey.

04:18 An open invitation to join the Parenting Membership.

06:06 Growing up in a dysfunctional household was not uncommon for either Adrianna or Tim.

08:57 Adrianna and Tim believed they were the best parents of the year until they began to sink.

10:10 The anger and irrationality that Tim displays toward Adrianna as a result of his frustrations.

11:03 How Adrianna was managing her mental health issues while also navigating the challenges presented by her two challenging children.

12:45 Tim and Adrianna are frustrated since they've tried everything to make parenthood work.

14:04 The Parenting Membership was the only hope for Adriana and Tim.

18:07 The significant impact on our child when we step down from their level.

19:15 How Adrianna was able to meet the needs of both of her children at the same moment.

22:14 Bodie and Remy practicing the ways in which both of their needs can be fulfilled.

25:27 The result of Adriana and Tim's child's unmet demand for his father.

26:49 Tim’s experience in learning different methods of parenting and his perspective on whether dads should really do this job.

28:13 Adriana and Tim's positive outlook for the future.

31:21 How the membership and tools help Adrianna and Tim strengthen their marriage

32:47 Adrianna’s shift from not seeing her needs as valid to having the confidence in understanding what her needs are.

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Adrianna and Tim had read all the parenting books. (And I mean ALL the books.)

&nbsp;

But NOTHING seemed to be working.

&nbsp;

They were still feeling frustrated with their kids on a very regular basis.

&nbsp;

And their kids were fighting what seemed like every second of the day.

&nbsp;

They joined the Parenting Membership last May, and the transformation our community has seen in them has been profound.

&nbsp;

The shift started after we had a consult about their youngest daughter’s difficult behavior, which we realized was a sign of her unmet needs. (I do these 1:1 (or 1:2!) consults on a regular basis for members when I see them struggling with an issue that just can’t be addressed in writing.)

&nbsp;

Ideas percolated. They increased the amount of 1:1 time they were spending with her, doing things she liked to do.

&nbsp;

They attended a couple of group coaching calls and we talked more about their specific situation.

&nbsp;

Things improved a bit.

&nbsp;

But then it all came to a head when Adrianna posted in the community about her children’s fighting, which had become more intense than ever.

&nbsp;

A whole lot of parents chimed in with ideas to support them, which are grounded in the ideas I’d previously discussed with her - but sometimes you need to hear things in a different way, with stories from parents who have just recently been through the same difficult stuff you’re experiencing, and they made it out the other side.

&nbsp;

Suddenly something clicked for Adrianna. She started to see her children’s needs in a way she hadn’t before, and she started having super explicit conversations with them about their needs, and also her needs.

&nbsp;

And then the magic started to happen, firstly in interactions between either Adrianna or Tim and their oldest child, Bodhi:

&nbsp;

Then the two children began using these problem solving tools between themselves. All of a sudden these two children who had literally been tearing each other’s hair out could identify their own needs, and each other’s needs, and find solutions that work for both of them. And they’re five and three years old!

&nbsp;

And all of this happened in what Adrianna calls the most supportive, least judgmental corner of the internet:

&nbsp;

I invited Adrianna and Tim to tell us about their journey on the podcast.

&nbsp;

Their response - delivered in unison - when I asked them: “So you’d read all the books, and you had so many doubts that ANYTHING could work for you…so why on earth did you join the membership?” was priceless.

&nbsp;
<h3>Pa<strong>renting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

<!--StartFragment --><span class="cf0">The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!</span><!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:46 Overview of Adrianna and Tim's membership journey.

04:18 An open invitation to join the Parenting Membership.

06:06 Growing up in a dysfunctional household was not uncommon for either Adrianna or Tim.

08:57 Adrianna and Tim believed they were the best parents of the year until they began to sink.

10:10 The anger and irrationality that Tim displays toward Adrianna as a result of his frustrations.

11:03 How Adrianna was managing her mental health issues while also navigating the challenges presented by her two challenging children.

12:45 Tim and Adrianna are frustrated since they've tried everything to make parenthood work.

14:04 The Parenting Membership was the only hope for Adriana and Tim.

18:07 The significant impact on our child when we step down from their level.

19:15 How Adrianna was able to meet the needs of both of her children at the same moment.

22:14 Bodie and Remy practicing the ways in which both of their needs can be fulfilled.

25:27 The result of Adriana and Tim's child's unmet demand for his father.

26:49 Tim’s experience in learning different methods of parenting and his perspective on whether dads should really do this job.

28:13 Adriana and Tim's positive outlook for the future.

31:21 How the membership and tools help Adrianna and Tim strengthen their marriage

32:47 Adrianna’s shift from not seeing her needs as valid to having the confidence in understanding what her needs are.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/desperation]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b19dff50-dd7f-4f9b-8e1b-7b8cc039ccda</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2022 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2540fa01-7df0-43f5-9f3e-f8f66e1cf986/Adrianna-20and-20Tim-Episode.mp3" length="51689213" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>156</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>156</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/26955bbf-e97a-4055-bf71-3ded4bc91ec3/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>155: How to get your child to listen to you</title><itunes:title>155: How to get your child to listen to you</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Recently someone posted a question in one of my communities:

“Is it really so wrong to want my child to just LISTEN to me sometimes?  It seems like such a no-no in gentle parenting circles, and I’m worried that my child is growing up to be entitled and won’t know how to respect authority when they really HAVE to.”

Parent Chrystal gave such a beautiful and eloquent response to this question that I asked her to come back on the show (her first visit was <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/chrystal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">last year</a>) to talk us through how she approaches getting her (three!  spirited!) children to listen to her…and what tools she uses instead.And this doesn’t end up creating entitled children who refuse to cooperate with any authority figure; in fact, her most spirited child was called a “conscientious and rule-abiding upstanding model student” by her teacher (which just about made Chrystal laugh out loud).

Chrystal has been on this respectful parenting journey for a while now, but I learned during this interview that she first interacted with me in the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop, where she started transforming a lot of the battles she was having with her children into a collaborative, cooperative relationship.

&nbsp;

<strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong>

If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:37 Reasons we get triggered when our child isn’t listening to us.

03:38 An open invitation to join the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

04:50 Chrystal's manifestation that her parenting is effective.

06:06 Saying NO to our child isn’t necessarily the right answer.

06:57 Challenges that Chrystal had as someone who was brought up in a religious family.

07:58 At a young age, Chrystal was responsible for the needs of her mother and siblings.

09:58 How resilience will play a big role in our children.

10:50 Impacts on our child for having a lot of control and compliance.

11:20 Chrystal’s transition from being controlled to having freedom and autonomy.

12:26 As a result of having a strong-willed children, Chrystal experiences a lot pushback and challenges.

15:08 When to set limits and boundaries to our children.

18:04 Ways to navigate our younger child when we need to take a pause in a situation.

19:07 The difference between setting limits and boundaries.

21:15 The importance of respectful parenting.

23:09 Using body cues instead of saying NO.

25:30 Introduction to Problem Solving Conversation: Nonjudgmental Observation

26:33 Finding solutions that is grounded in meeting our needs, and the needs of our children as well.

31:02 Our children's resistance creates a "US VS. THEM" scenario.

36:39 The unique needs of having multiple children.

37:47 The lessons that Chrystal learned from the book called Siblings Without Rivalry.

41:58 White presenting child plays a big role in changing the systems.

45:38 Chrystal’s children showing their amazing empathy and respect for one another.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Recently someone posted a question in one of my communities:

“Is it really so wrong to want my child to just LISTEN to me sometimes?  It seems like such a no-no in gentle parenting circles, and I’m worried that my child is growing up to be entitled and won’t know how to respect authority when they really HAVE to.”

Parent Chrystal gave such a beautiful and eloquent response to this question that I asked her to come back on the show (her first visit was <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/chrystal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">last year</a>) to talk us through how she approaches getting her (three!  spirited!) children to listen to her…and what tools she uses instead.And this doesn’t end up creating entitled children who refuse to cooperate with any authority figure; in fact, her most spirited child was called a “conscientious and rule-abiding upstanding model student” by her teacher (which just about made Chrystal laugh out loud).

Chrystal has been on this respectful parenting journey for a while now, but I learned during this interview that she first interacted with me in the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop, where she started transforming a lot of the battles she was having with her children into a collaborative, cooperative relationship.

&nbsp;

<strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong>

If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:37 Reasons we get triggered when our child isn’t listening to us.

03:38 An open invitation to join the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

04:50 Chrystal's manifestation that her parenting is effective.

06:06 Saying NO to our child isn’t necessarily the right answer.

06:57 Challenges that Chrystal had as someone who was brought up in a religious family.

07:58 At a young age, Chrystal was responsible for the needs of her mother and siblings.

09:58 How resilience will play a big role in our children.

10:50 Impacts on our child for having a lot of control and compliance.

11:20 Chrystal’s transition from being controlled to having freedom and autonomy.

12:26 As a result of having a strong-willed children, Chrystal experiences a lot pushback and challenges.

15:08 When to set limits and boundaries to our children.

18:04 Ways to navigate our younger child when we need to take a pause in a situation.

19:07 The difference between setting limits and boundaries.

21:15 The importance of respectful parenting.

23:09 Using body cues instead of saying NO.

25:30 Introduction to Problem Solving Conversation: Nonjudgmental Observation

26:33 Finding solutions that is grounded in meeting our needs, and the needs of our children as well.

31:02 Our children's resistance creates a "US VS. THEM" scenario.

36:39 The unique needs of having multiple children.

37:47 The lessons that Chrystal learned from the book called Siblings Without Rivalry.

41:58 White presenting child plays a big role in changing the systems.

45:38 Chrystal’s children showing their amazing empathy and respect for one another.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/listen]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">089918a8-7cea-490e-bb92-ee54288f7035</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e6207eaa-b8ea-4b84-8f2d-96aee019d537/155-converted.mp3" length="70105592" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>155</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>155</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b59008e3-2814-4bf6-aa04-1233c05c0992/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>154: Authoritative isn’t the best Parenting “Style”</title><itunes:title>154: Authoritative isn’t the best Parenting “Style”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<em>“On average, authoritative parents spanked just as much as the average of all other parents.  Undoubtedly, some parents can be authoritative without using <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/">spanking</a> but we have no evidence that all or even most parents can achieve authoritative parenting without an occasional spank.”</em>

&nbsp;

I was fascinated by this statement, since authoritative parenting is the best style.  We know it’s the best, right?

&nbsp;

I mean, everyone says it is.  Including me and who was the co-author on this paper this statement comes from?  None other than Dr. Diana Baumrind, creator of the Parenting Styles (although they weren’t called that then; they were originally called the Models of Parental Control.  Just to make sure we’re on the same page here, I’m going to say that again: Dr. Diana Baumrind, who created the parenting styles/model of parental control, says you can’t achieve the parenting style that has the ‘best’ outcomes for children without an occasional spank.

&nbsp;

So in this episode we dig pretty deeply into what makes up the parenting styles, and what Dr. Baumrind and others found about the effectiveness of these styles, and what impacts they had on children.  (And I have to warn you now, the samples sizes we’re looking at to ‘prove’ that authoritative is the best parenting style are going to make your stomach churn.)

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What are the parenting styles that Dr. Diana Baumrind identified?</strong>

Dr. Baumrind originally identified three parenting styles in her groundbreaking research:
<ul><li>Authoritarian (high control, low warmth)</li><li>Permissive (low control, high warmth)</li><li>Authoritative (high control, high warmth).
Later, other researchers added a fourth style—Uninvolved or Neglectful parenting (low control, low warmth). This completes the two-by-two grid framework we know today. The episode explores what Baumrind actually meant by these categories. They might not be helpful for modern parents trying to build healthy relationships with their children.</li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>What's the difference between parenting styles and parental control? Were they originally the same thing?</strong>

Many parents don't realize that what we now call "parenting styles" began as Dr. Baumrind's study of "Models of Parental Control." This shows that her research focused on how parents exercise authority over children. She wasn't looking to describe all possible parenting approaches. Most experts - including me! - just replicate what everyone else says: Authoritative is the best parenting style. But when we dig deeper we find that authoritative might not be as great as most experts claim.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Why does everyone say authoritative parenting is the best style?</strong>

Authoritative parenting is widely promoted as the gold standard. It supposedly balances firm boundaries with emotional warmth.  Decades of research have shown that authoritative is the best of the three (later four) parenting styles that Dr. Baumrind identified.  But there’s no evidence that these are the only possible parenting styles.  Dr. Baumrind herself found another style that she called ‘harmonious’ but she chose not to explore it. Researchers have just accepted that there are only four styles. Within these four, authoritative is often (but not always) best for children.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How large were the sample sizes in Dr. Baumrind's original parenting styles research?</strong>

The sample sizes in Dr. Baumrind's original research were shockingly small. You might then question how such an influential idea became so widely accepted on such limited evidence. This is a perfect example of why we should critically examine even the most established parenting theories.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Is authoritative best in all cultures and circumstances?</strong>

Authoritative parenting is often presented as universally ideal. The episode examines how different cultural contexts value different parenting approaches. What works well in one cultural setting might not transfer to another. An emphasis on authoritative parenting often reflects Euro-centric values and assumptions. The podcast explores this cultural dimension and challenges the one-size-fits-all recommendation.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What alternative approaches to parent-child relationships does the episode suggest?</strong>

The episode introduces alternatives that move beyond the control-based framework of the traditional parenting styles. We explore approaches that honor both parent and child needs. We don't have to default to authoritarian control or permissive lack of boundaries. These alternative frameworks offer a more nuanced understanding of the parent-child relationship.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>The widely accepted "authoritative” parenting style might not actually be the best approach</li><li>Dr. Diana Baumrind created the parenting 'styles.' Surprisingly, she thought authoritative parents should spank their children.</li><li>We'll describe the 2x2 grid of parenting styles, which describe parents' warmth and control. Each one describes a particular parenting style and how parents using that style interact with their kids.</li><li>The original research describing the parenting styles used very small sample sizes. Dr. Baumrind deliberately tried to recruit only middle class White children in her hometown of Berkeley, CA in the 1960s.</li><li>Dr. Baumrind wanted to explore how parents controlled their children, not what parenting style is best for children.</li><li>Cultural context shapes how we interact with our children. This challenges the one-size-fits-all recommendation of authoritative parenting</li><li>We'll look at alternative approaches to parent-child relationships. These honor both your needs and your child's needs without relying on control-based frameworks</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration.

&nbsp;

I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:33 Introduction to today’s topic

04:05 Influential figures like Dr. Larzelere and Dr. Baumrind supported spanking within authoritative parenting.

16:19 Traditional parenting expects child compliance, emphasizing authority over autonomy, and conformity over individuality.

28:30 Dr. Baumrind's parenting styles theory categorizes parenting into two extremes, neglecting the middle ground of "harmonious parenting."

38:30 Harmonious parenting emphasizes reasoning and mutual understanding while behavioral compliance can create mixed messages about control and values, reflecting broader societal power dynamics.

46:19 Parenting styles must adapt to cultural diversity and consider alternative parenting goals, emphasizing mutual understanding and meeting children's needs.

49:46 Understanding and meeting the needs of children and parents can eliminate the need for punishment.

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Baumrind, D. (1966). Effects of authoritative parental control on child behavior. Child Development 887-907.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1996). A blanket injunction against disciplinary use of spanking is not warranted by the data. Pediatrics 98(4) 828-831.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1971). Current patterns of parental authority. Developmental Psychology Monograph 4(1, Part 2), 1-103.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1971). Note: Harmonious parents and their preschool children. Developmental Psychology 4(1), 99-102.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1983). Rejoinder to Lewis’s reinterpretation of parental firm control effects: Are authoritative families really harmonious? Psychological Bulletin 94(1), 132-142.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1996). The discipline controversy revisited. Family Relations 45(4), 405-414.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (2013). Is a pejorative view of power assertion in the socialization process justified? Review of General Psychology 17(4), 420-427.

<hr />

Baumrind, D., Larzelere, R.E., Owens, E.B. (2010). Effects of preschool parents’ power assertive patterns and practices on adolescent development. Parenting Science and Practice 10, 157-201.

<hr />

Cowan, P.A., Cowan, C.P., Weinstein, R., Owens, E. (2020). In Memoriam: Diana B Baumrind. University of California. Retrieved from <a href="https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/in-memoriam/files/diana-baumrind.html">https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/in-memoriam/files/diana-baumrind.html</a>

<hr />

Darling, N., &amp;amp; Steinberg, L. (1993). Parenting style as context: An integrative model. Psychological Bulletin 113(3), 487-496.

<hr />

Greenspan, S. (2006). Rethinking “harmonious parenting” using a three-factor discipline model. Child Care in Practice 12(1), 5-12.

<hr />

Garcia, O.F., Lopez-Fernandez, O., &amp;amp; Serra, E. (2021). Raising Spanish children with an antisocial tendency: Do we know what the optimal parenting style is? Journal of Interpersonal Violence 36 (13-14), 6117-6144.

<hr />

Gross, A.K. (2021, October 18). How White supremacy culture shows up in our families +practices for how we can dismantle it. Mistress Syndrome. Retrieved from <a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<em>“On average, authoritative parents spanked just as much as the average of all other parents.  Undoubtedly, some parents can be authoritative without using <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/spanking/">spanking</a> but we have no evidence that all or even most parents can achieve authoritative parenting without an occasional spank.”</em>

&nbsp;

I was fascinated by this statement, since authoritative parenting is the best style.  We know it’s the best, right?

&nbsp;

I mean, everyone says it is.  Including me and who was the co-author on this paper this statement comes from?  None other than Dr. Diana Baumrind, creator of the Parenting Styles (although they weren’t called that then; they were originally called the Models of Parental Control.  Just to make sure we’re on the same page here, I’m going to say that again: Dr. Diana Baumrind, who created the parenting styles/model of parental control, says you can’t achieve the parenting style that has the ‘best’ outcomes for children without an occasional spank.

&nbsp;

So in this episode we dig pretty deeply into what makes up the parenting styles, and what Dr. Baumrind and others found about the effectiveness of these styles, and what impacts they had on children.  (And I have to warn you now, the samples sizes we’re looking at to ‘prove’ that authoritative is the best parenting style are going to make your stomach churn.)

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What are the parenting styles that Dr. Diana Baumrind identified?</strong>

Dr. Baumrind originally identified three parenting styles in her groundbreaking research:
<ul><li>Authoritarian (high control, low warmth)</li><li>Permissive (low control, high warmth)</li><li>Authoritative (high control, high warmth).
Later, other researchers added a fourth style—Uninvolved or Neglectful parenting (low control, low warmth). This completes the two-by-two grid framework we know today. The episode explores what Baumrind actually meant by these categories. They might not be helpful for modern parents trying to build healthy relationships with their children.</li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>What's the difference between parenting styles and parental control? Were they originally the same thing?</strong>

Many parents don't realize that what we now call "parenting styles" began as Dr. Baumrind's study of "Models of Parental Control." This shows that her research focused on how parents exercise authority over children. She wasn't looking to describe all possible parenting approaches. Most experts - including me! - just replicate what everyone else says: Authoritative is the best parenting style. But when we dig deeper we find that authoritative might not be as great as most experts claim.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Why does everyone say authoritative parenting is the best style?</strong>

Authoritative parenting is widely promoted as the gold standard. It supposedly balances firm boundaries with emotional warmth.  Decades of research have shown that authoritative is the best of the three (later four) parenting styles that Dr. Baumrind identified.  But there’s no evidence that these are the only possible parenting styles.  Dr. Baumrind herself found another style that she called ‘harmonious’ but she chose not to explore it. Researchers have just accepted that there are only four styles. Within these four, authoritative is often (but not always) best for children.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How large were the sample sizes in Dr. Baumrind's original parenting styles research?</strong>

The sample sizes in Dr. Baumrind's original research were shockingly small. You might then question how such an influential idea became so widely accepted on such limited evidence. This is a perfect example of why we should critically examine even the most established parenting theories.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Is authoritative best in all cultures and circumstances?</strong>

Authoritative parenting is often presented as universally ideal. The episode examines how different cultural contexts value different parenting approaches. What works well in one cultural setting might not transfer to another. An emphasis on authoritative parenting often reflects Euro-centric values and assumptions. The podcast explores this cultural dimension and challenges the one-size-fits-all recommendation.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What alternative approaches to parent-child relationships does the episode suggest?</strong>

The episode introduces alternatives that move beyond the control-based framework of the traditional parenting styles. We explore approaches that honor both parent and child needs. We don't have to default to authoritarian control or permissive lack of boundaries. These alternative frameworks offer a more nuanced understanding of the parent-child relationship.

&nbsp;
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>The widely accepted "authoritative” parenting style might not actually be the best approach</li><li>Dr. Diana Baumrind created the parenting 'styles.' Surprisingly, she thought authoritative parents should spank their children.</li><li>We'll describe the 2x2 grid of parenting styles, which describe parents' warmth and control. Each one describes a particular parenting style and how parents using that style interact with their kids.</li><li>The original research describing the parenting styles used very small sample sizes. Dr. Baumrind deliberately tried to recruit only middle class White children in her hometown of Berkeley, CA in the 1960s.</li><li>Dr. Baumrind wanted to explore how parents controlled their children, not what parenting style is best for children.</li><li>Cultural context shapes how we interact with our children. This challenges the one-size-fits-all recommendation of authoritative parenting</li><li>We'll look at alternative approaches to parent-child relationships. These honor both your needs and your child's needs without relying on control-based frameworks</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration.

&nbsp;

I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:33 Introduction to today’s topic

04:05 Influential figures like Dr. Larzelere and Dr. Baumrind supported spanking within authoritative parenting.

16:19 Traditional parenting expects child compliance, emphasizing authority over autonomy, and conformity over individuality.

28:30 Dr. Baumrind's parenting styles theory categorizes parenting into two extremes, neglecting the middle ground of "harmonious parenting."

38:30 Harmonious parenting emphasizes reasoning and mutual understanding while behavioral compliance can create mixed messages about control and values, reflecting broader societal power dynamics.

46:19 Parenting styles must adapt to cultural diversity and consider alternative parenting goals, emphasizing mutual understanding and meeting children's needs.

49:46 Understanding and meeting the needs of children and parents can eliminate the need for punishment.

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Baumrind, D. (1966). Effects of authoritative parental control on child behavior. Child Development 887-907.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1996). A blanket injunction against disciplinary use of spanking is not warranted by the data. Pediatrics 98(4) 828-831.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1971). Current patterns of parental authority. Developmental Psychology Monograph 4(1, Part 2), 1-103.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1971). Note: Harmonious parents and their preschool children. Developmental Psychology 4(1), 99-102.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1983). Rejoinder to Lewis’s reinterpretation of parental firm control effects: Are authoritative families really harmonious? Psychological Bulletin 94(1), 132-142.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1996). The discipline controversy revisited. Family Relations 45(4), 405-414.

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (2013). Is a pejorative view of power assertion in the socialization process justified? Review of General Psychology 17(4), 420-427.

<hr />

Baumrind, D., Larzelere, R.E., Owens, E.B. (2010). Effects of preschool parents’ power assertive patterns and practices on adolescent development. Parenting Science and Practice 10, 157-201.

<hr />

Cowan, P.A., Cowan, C.P., Weinstein, R., Owens, E. (2020). In Memoriam: Diana B Baumrind. University of California. Retrieved from <a href="https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/in-memoriam/files/diana-baumrind.html">https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/in-memoriam/files/diana-baumrind.html</a>

<hr />

Darling, N., &amp;amp; Steinberg, L. (1993). Parenting style as context: An integrative model. Psychological Bulletin 113(3), 487-496.

<hr />

Greenspan, S. (2006). Rethinking “harmonious parenting” using a three-factor discipline model. Child Care in Practice 12(1), 5-12.

<hr />

Garcia, O.F., Lopez-Fernandez, O., &amp;amp; Serra, E. (2021). Raising Spanish children with an antisocial tendency: Do we know what the optimal parenting style is? Journal of Interpersonal Violence 36 (13-14), 6117-6144.

<hr />

Gross, A.K. (2021, October 18). How White supremacy culture shows up in our families +practices for how we can dismantle it. Mistress Syndrome. Retrieved from <a href="https://mistresssyndrome.com/2021/10/18/how-white-supremacy-culture-shows-up-in-our-families-practices-for-how-we-can-dismantle-it/">https://mistresssyndrome.com/2021/10/18/how-white-supremacy-culture-shows-up-in-our-families-practices-for-how-we-can-dismantle-it/</a>

<hr />

Larzelere, R.E., &amp;amp; Baumrind, D. (2010). Are spanking injunctions scientifically supported? Law &amp;amp; Contemporary Problems 73, 57.

<hr />

Lewis, C.C. (1981). The effects of parental firm control: A reinterpretation of findings.

<hr />

Psychological Bulletin 90(3), 547-563.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingstyles]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">cfa56657-67af-4098-927a-04a17b0b3a82</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2022 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cfbbe5b7-4106-48c7-b717-a837d5e3d933/154.mp3" length="49536665" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>154</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>154</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/33a83f28-319b-4bef-a32c-90ca36090520/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>153: Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home</title><itunes:title>153: Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In her book <a href="https://amzn.to/3uXVEOo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home</a>, Toko-pa Turner talks about the disconnection we feel from others, as well as from our own selves, because of the experiences we’ve had in our childhood.  While Toko-pa’s childhood was traumatic by any definition, even those of us who didn’t experience severe trauma were told - either verbally or non-verbally: <em>You’re not enough.  You’re not good enough.   </em>Or even: <em>You’re too much.</em>And we shut off that part of us, whatever it was.  Our sense of joy, our creativity, our need for autonomy.

&nbsp;

We set aside those needs so we could be accepted by our family, whose love we craved more than anything in the world.But that doesn’t mean we need to always live our lives in this way.  We can accept the pain and suffering we’ve experienced, and incorporate that into new, more whole ways of being in the world.  A big part of this is finding a new relationship with our needs - seeing them, understanding them, being willing to articulate them.  Being willing to ask for help in meeting our needs - from our children, our partners, and our communities.  Toko-pa points out that our culture teaches us that the giver is in the position of strength; they are rich and secure and don’t need anyone’s help.  The receiver is the weak, poor, needy one (the whole thing smacks of <em>femininity,</em> doesn’t it?).  So to be in the position of strength we give and give and give until we don’t have anything left.But we have needs too, and we deserve to have these met, and to invite others to help us meet them - and this episode helps us to get started.I want to remind you of a couple of upcoming opportunities if you see that your own needs are not being met right now.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Toko-Pa Turner's Book</h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3PgbMDx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home</a> (Affiliate Link).

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:18 We create separation because we worry that we won’t be acceptable to the world.

02:50 An open invitation to join the free Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits Workshop.

05:01 Toko-Pa’s quest for belonging leaves her hungry for her mother's love and recognition.

06:38 Our first experiences of not belonging come at the hands of our families

08:51 Due to the dogma we have lived, we learn to hide, dismiss, or separate our feelings that are not valued

12:03 The desire to teach our child a lesson comes from our own pain, resulting from our own trauma.

13:25 Women are raised with extensive cultural history programming that dictates how a proper lady should behave.

18:54 The Death Mother is an archetype that represents a mother who takes control of her children's narrative lives in order to overcome her own traumas.

24:12 Being a mother has no worth in our culture, because they live to serve their children.

26:50 We gain a sense of belonging when we can help others.

33:43 The fear and shame associated with being an imposition on others.

37:44 You burden people when you show that you are in pain and in need.

42:00 Being seen is a paradox. It's the thing that we want more than anything, but we fear it more than anything too.

48:22 The purpose of our dreams.

54:53 Belonging to yourself to those who need you - both human and other-than-human.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In her book <a href="https://amzn.to/3uXVEOo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home</a>, Toko-pa Turner talks about the disconnection we feel from others, as well as from our own selves, because of the experiences we’ve had in our childhood.  While Toko-pa’s childhood was traumatic by any definition, even those of us who didn’t experience severe trauma were told - either verbally or non-verbally: <em>You’re not enough.  You’re not good enough.   </em>Or even: <em>You’re too much.</em>And we shut off that part of us, whatever it was.  Our sense of joy, our creativity, our need for autonomy.

&nbsp;

We set aside those needs so we could be accepted by our family, whose love we craved more than anything in the world.But that doesn’t mean we need to always live our lives in this way.  We can accept the pain and suffering we’ve experienced, and incorporate that into new, more whole ways of being in the world.  A big part of this is finding a new relationship with our needs - seeing them, understanding them, being willing to articulate them.  Being willing to ask for help in meeting our needs - from our children, our partners, and our communities.  Toko-pa points out that our culture teaches us that the giver is in the position of strength; they are rich and secure and don’t need anyone’s help.  The receiver is the weak, poor, needy one (the whole thing smacks of <em>femininity,</em> doesn’t it?).  So to be in the position of strength we give and give and give until we don’t have anything left.But we have needs too, and we deserve to have these met, and to invite others to help us meet them - and this episode helps us to get started.I want to remind you of a couple of upcoming opportunities if you see that your own needs are not being met right now.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3>Toko-Pa Turner's Book</h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3PgbMDx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home</a> (Affiliate Link).

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

02:18 We create separation because we worry that we won’t be acceptable to the world.

02:50 An open invitation to join the free Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits Workshop.

05:01 Toko-Pa’s quest for belonging leaves her hungry for her mother's love and recognition.

06:38 Our first experiences of not belonging come at the hands of our families

08:51 Due to the dogma we have lived, we learn to hide, dismiss, or separate our feelings that are not valued

12:03 The desire to teach our child a lesson comes from our own pain, resulting from our own trauma.

13:25 Women are raised with extensive cultural history programming that dictates how a proper lady should behave.

18:54 The Death Mother is an archetype that represents a mother who takes control of her children's narrative lives in order to overcome her own traumas.

24:12 Being a mother has no worth in our culture, because they live to serve their children.

26:50 We gain a sense of belonging when we can help others.

33:43 The fear and shame associated with being an imposition on others.

37:44 You burden people when you show that you are in pain and in need.

42:00 Being seen is a paradox. It's the thing that we want more than anything, but we fear it more than anything too.

48:22 The purpose of our dreams.

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And I got lucky; we didn’t stray too far from the plan (except that that whole ‘urge to push’ thing?  Well I never felt that.  It seemed like she was quite happy where she was.  Perhaps that explains why she enjoys being wrapped in fluffy blankets so much?)

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So I put all this effort into what the Big Day would be like, and practically zero into what life would be like afterward.

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I mean, we got the nursery ready without realizing that she wasn’t going to spend any time in it at all for the first three months.

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And the whole <em>visitors</em> thing - well that didn’t even cross my mind.

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I guess I just assumed that people would come and visit, because that’s what people do after you have a baby.

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But most of the time I didn’t <em>want </em>visitors!

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I spent a good chunk of the first 10 days in tears.

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(In fact my husband and I had a mini-celebration at bedtime on the 10th day because it was the first time I hadn’t cried since she was born.)

&nbsp;

Sometimes I was able to get dressed and greet people…other times I was curled up in bed crying while my husband did the entertaining.

&nbsp;

The idea of saying “no visitors yet please” simply didn’t cross my mind.

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That’s what we discuss in today’s episode with Renee Reina of The Mom Room.  She was lucky enough to have her Mom living close by when she had her baby, who became her gatekeeper - friends and family would check in with Renee’s Mom before coming over.

&nbsp;

Renee was able to create the calm, peaceful environment at home that she wanted to bring baby into - and re-engage with the world on her own terms, when she was ready.

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In this episode we talk about how to make those early days of motherhood work for you and your family - no matter what social conventions say are the right things to do.

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21:10 Renee’s routine in taking care of the baby

29:22 White supremacy and capitalism

30:42 Maternal gatekeeping

31:28 Murder tendencies during postpartum

38:26 Advice for parent afterbirth

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Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be

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Jenny  00:09

so do you get tired of hearing the same old interest in podcast episodes? I don't really But Jen thinks you might. I'm Jenny, a listener from Los Angeles, testing out a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development, but puts it in context for you as well. So you can decide whether and how to use this new information. I listen because parenting can be scary and it's reassuring to know what the experts think. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe. You can also join the free Facebook group to continue the conversation. Over time you might get sick of hearing me read this intro so come and record one yourself. You can read from a script gents provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to your parenting mojo.com forward slash record the intro. I can't wait to hear yours.

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Jen Lumanlan  01:26

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we're going to look at another topic that we can file under things I'd never given a moment's thought about before Carys was born, which is what those early days at home were going to be like. Looking back on it, I have really have no idea why my preparation for her birth literally stopped at her birth, and didn't give a moment's thought to what would happen even in the immediate days afterwards. And I have to say, I felt really lost. I cried every day for the first 10 days. And on day four, it was pretty much continual from start to finish. And thank goodness, my good friend, Michelle had told me there would be a lot of hormone rebalancing on that day, so I knew it was coming. Otherwise, I would have thought I was actually falling apart. Things did get a bit better over the following days. And on day 10, my husband and I had a little celebration at bedtime because it was the first day since she had been born that I didn't cry. If you're expecting a baby in the coming months, or if you have one under the age of one, then the right from the start course is designed to give you the information you need to go from just surviving each day to truly thriving. In this course that I run with Hannah and Kelty of upbringing you'll find information on topics like getting the sleep you both needed to function, making choices about feeding, supporting development, independent play, navigating the difficult sibling relationship if you already have an older child, and so much more. Whether you're brand new at this parenting thing, or if you have one or more children already, you know things have to be different his time around. The right from the start course will get you out of the midnight googling about all the things that might be wrong with your child and into a sense of calm and confidence that you've got this. You'll meet an amazing group of parents who are on this journey as well, figuring this stuff out alongside you. With support from Hannah and Kelty as well as me, you'll even be able to join group coaching calls to get all of your questions answered. Parents who have taken the course say firstly, they had no idea that they even needed these group coaching calls, but they really did. And secondly, there's no resource out there that considers them to be just as important as their baby in this relationship. And as we'll hear about from my guest today, all of the attention is on the mother when the baby's on the way, and as soon as the baby is here, the mother is relegated to the background. And their only role is to provide a suitable environment for the baby. And right from the start, we hold you to be just as important and valued person as your baby, and that your baby actually learns really important things when you hold this to be true. Enrollment for right from the start is open now until Wednesday, April 13. And sliding scale pricing is available. And so my guest today in our sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode is Renee Reina of the Mom Room. Welcome, Renee. It's so great to have you here.

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Renee  04:24

Thank you for having me. Yeah.

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Jen Lumanlan  04:26

So what was this transition from not being a parent to being a parent like for you?

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Renee  04:31

It was a lot. So I had my son. He's three now. I had him when I was 34 years old. So I had been in grad school living by myself, focusing on myself, setting goals for myself, just focused on those two then having a baby, I took a 12 month maternity leave for my PhD program.

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Jen Lumanlan  04:53

Because you're in Canada we should mention.

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Renee  04:55

Yes, I am Canadian. I know people are always like "12 months?" So, you know, in the first 12 months, I would say things were good. Like, there were lots of things in early postpartum that blew my mind. And that is why I started the blog. I started talking about these things on social media. And then I found “Oh, like, I'm not the only one.” Everyone else thinks the same thing. In the first 12 months, I was very focused on it's just me, it's my son, and my husband was working full time. So I had that mindset going into the 12 month maternity leave that I didn't have anything else to worry about. So that was really nice. And I think something that I wish all moms could experience you know, and have that time to just be like focused on transitioning into motherhood and focusing on your children.

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Jen Lumanlan  05:48

Yeah, it's a massive lack, isn't it? With no guarantee of paid leave in the US, if you're lucky enough to work for a big company that offers it, you might get it. I think it was three months when I did it. Many companies are now expanding to six months but many parents take three or four days off and then go back to work and they have to come in the bathrooms cafe or restaurant or something. I mean, it's just horrific.

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Renee  06:09

In Canada now, we have the option to extend to 18 months and you If you can split the time with your partner, yeah. So like my husband's self-employed, he's a surgeon. So that's not an option for him. But if you work for a company where you have benefits and insurance, you can split the maternity]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I don’t know about you, but I spent a LOT of time thinking about my birth plan before Carys was born.  I mean, that thing went through multiple iterations as I read new books about the birth process and thought about what I wanted mine to be like.

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And I got lucky; we didn’t stray too far from the plan (except that that whole ‘urge to push’ thing?  Well I never felt that.  It seemed like she was quite happy where she was.  Perhaps that explains why she enjoys being wrapped in fluffy blankets so much?)

&nbsp;

So I put all this effort into what the Big Day would be like, and practically zero into what life would be like afterward.

&nbsp;

I mean, we got the nursery ready without realizing that she wasn’t going to spend any time in it at all for the first three months.

&nbsp;

And the whole <em>visitors</em> thing - well that didn’t even cross my mind.

&nbsp;

I guess I just assumed that people would come and visit, because that’s what people do after you have a baby.

&nbsp;

But most of the time I didn’t <em>want </em>visitors!

&nbsp;

I spent a good chunk of the first 10 days in tears.

&nbsp;

(In fact my husband and I had a mini-celebration at bedtime on the 10th day because it was the first time I hadn’t cried since she was born.)

&nbsp;

Sometimes I was able to get dressed and greet people…other times I was curled up in bed crying while my husband did the entertaining.

&nbsp;

The idea of saying “no visitors yet please” simply didn’t cross my mind.

&nbsp;

That’s what we discuss in today’s episode with Renee Reina of The Mom Room.  She was lucky enough to have her Mom living close by when she had her baby, who became her gatekeeper - friends and family would check in with Renee’s Mom before coming over.

&nbsp;

Renee was able to create the calm, peaceful environment at home that she wanted to bring baby into - and re-engage with the world on her own terms, when she was ready.

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01:36 Introduction of episode

06:37 What was birth like for Renee

13:14 How was it like to navigate people who want to see the baby

21:10 Renee’s routine in taking care of the baby

29:22 White supremacy and capitalism

30:42 Maternal gatekeeping

31:28 Murder tendencies during postpartum

38:26 Advice for parent afterbirth

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Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be

&nbsp;

Jenny  00:09

so do you get tired of hearing the same old interest in podcast episodes? I don't really But Jen thinks you might. I'm Jenny, a listener from Los Angeles, testing out a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development, but puts it in context for you as well. So you can decide whether and how to use this new information. I listen because parenting can be scary and it's reassuring to know what the experts think. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe. You can also join the free Facebook group to continue the conversation. Over time you might get sick of hearing me read this intro so come and record one yourself. You can read from a script gents provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to your parenting mojo.com forward slash record the intro. I can't wait to hear yours.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  01:26

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we're going to look at another topic that we can file under things I'd never given a moment's thought about before Carys was born, which is what those early days at home were going to be like. Looking back on it, I have really have no idea why my preparation for her birth literally stopped at her birth, and didn't give a moment's thought to what would happen even in the immediate days afterwards. And I have to say, I felt really lost. I cried every day for the first 10 days. And on day four, it was pretty much continual from start to finish. And thank goodness, my good friend, Michelle had told me there would be a lot of hormone rebalancing on that day, so I knew it was coming. Otherwise, I would have thought I was actually falling apart. Things did get a bit better over the following days. And on day 10, my husband and I had a little celebration at bedtime because it was the first day since she had been born that I didn't cry. If you're expecting a baby in the coming months, or if you have one under the age of one, then the right from the start course is designed to give you the information you need to go from just surviving each day to truly thriving. In this course that I run with Hannah and Kelty of upbringing you'll find information on topics like getting the sleep you both needed to function, making choices about feeding, supporting development, independent play, navigating the difficult sibling relationship if you already have an older child, and so much more. Whether you're brand new at this parenting thing, or if you have one or more children already, you know things have to be different his time around. The right from the start course will get you out of the midnight googling about all the things that might be wrong with your child and into a sense of calm and confidence that you've got this. You'll meet an amazing group of parents who are on this journey as well, figuring this stuff out alongside you. With support from Hannah and Kelty as well as me, you'll even be able to join group coaching calls to get all of your questions answered. Parents who have taken the course say firstly, they had no idea that they even needed these group coaching calls, but they really did. And secondly, there's no resource out there that considers them to be just as important as their baby in this relationship. And as we'll hear about from my guest today, all of the attention is on the mother when the baby's on the way, and as soon as the baby is here, the mother is relegated to the background. And their only role is to provide a suitable environment for the baby. And right from the start, we hold you to be just as important and valued person as your baby, and that your baby actually learns really important things when you hold this to be true. Enrollment for right from the start is open now until Wednesday, April 13. And sliding scale pricing is available. And so my guest today in our sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode is Renee Reina of the Mom Room. Welcome, Renee. It's so great to have you here.

&nbsp;

Renee  04:24

Thank you for having me. Yeah.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:26

So what was this transition from not being a parent to being a parent like for you?

&nbsp;

Renee  04:31

It was a lot. So I had my son. He's three now. I had him when I was 34 years old. So I had been in grad school living by myself, focusing on myself, setting goals for myself, just focused on those two then having a baby, I took a 12 month maternity leave for my PhD program.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:53

Because you're in Canada we should mention.

&nbsp;

Renee  04:55

Yes, I am Canadian. I know people are always like "12 months?" So, you know, in the first 12 months, I would say things were good. Like, there were lots of things in early postpartum that blew my mind. And that is why I started the blog. I started talking about these things on social media. And then I found “Oh, like, I'm not the only one.” Everyone else thinks the same thing. In the first 12 months, I was very focused on it's just me, it's my son, and my husband was working full time. So I had that mindset going into the 12 month maternity leave that I didn't have anything else to worry about. So that was really nice. And I think something that I wish all moms could experience you know, and have that time to just be like focused on transitioning into motherhood and focusing on your children.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  05:48

Yeah, it's a massive lack, isn't it? With no guarantee of paid leave in the US, if you're lucky enough to work for a big company that offers it, you might get it. I think it was three months when I did it. Many companies are now expanding to six months but many parents take three or four days off and then go back to work and they have to come in the bathrooms cafe or restaurant or something. I mean, it's just horrific.

&nbsp;

Renee  06:09

In Canada now, we have the option to extend to 18 months and you If you can split the time with your partner, yeah. So like my husband's self-employed, he's a surgeon. So that's not an option for him. But if you work for a company where you have benefits and insurance, you can split the maternity leave or parental leave with your partner. So yeah, it breaks my heart to know that not everyone has that as an option.

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Jen Lumanlan  06:33

Okay? And so what was birth like for you?

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Renee  06:37

So I was induced at 38 weeks because Milo was growing fine and then he kind of plateaued. So the thinking was, “let's get him out in the real world, and you can feed him, and then he'll, you know, grow up outside of your uterus.” So I was induced at 38 weeks. And I have to say, the labor and delivery part was pretty good. Like, I don't really have any complaints. I had my husband there. My sister was with me. The scariest part for me was the epidural. To be honest, yeah.

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Jen Lumanlan  07:12

And Did it meet your expectations? Was it the same kind of birth that people have on TV or?

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Renee  07:17

No, not at all. So it's so funny, because that's something that I talk about because I think a lot of moms feel shame for not feeling this like overwhelming sensation of love and bond. This bond between their babies as soon as they give birth, and that was me, to be honest. When Milo was born, they put him on my chest, and I was literally just like, impartial, like, I was neutral. I was just like, "oh, okay, so this is the little person that was inside of me," like I had no connection. And it really took a while for me to build that connection. And now that he's three years old and he's developing a little personality, like, I find the older he got the more I fall in love with him. And you know, seeing him as his own little person, like it just grew. So it's something that not a lot of people talk about. And they feel shame, if they don't feel that at their birth. And I did not have a traumatic labor and delivery, as many people do. I think a lot of people have that expectation going into labor and delivery. And then when it's not there, they think there's something wrong with them. And the same goes for early postpartum. A lot of people have a low or depressed mood. Some people have postpartum depression. And so it's like this conflicting society is telling you that you should be the happiest you've ever been. And this is the best time of your life. But you don't feel that. And if society is saying that, and that's what everyone else is showing on social media and on TV and, you know, in movies, are you really going to speak up about not being the happiest you've ever been? Because, you know, you're afraid of being judged. And people thinking that? “Oh, she must not like being a mom,” or, you know, “she's not fit to be a mom.” So yeah, it's a problem. And this is why I speak out about things like this, because every time I do, the response is overwhelming with people who are like, "Wow, me too." And, you know, I just love that people can see my content, read all the comments and be like, "Oh, my God, this is such a common thing."

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Jen Lumanlan  09:30

Yeah, and you brought me back to the moment when Carys was put on my chest as well. And we have the very first picture of her that was taken. It was her on my chest. And my eyes are screwed up because I'm crying. And the thought that's in my mind is, well, I don't hate you. Because I had a difficult relationship with my mom, I was fully prepared to not love her coming out. And I was fortunate as well, and had a relatively medically easy birth, and had absolutely no idea how I was going to feel, and so to have it be neutral was a win for me. That was a real win. And then yeah, absolutely. Those first 10 days, I was so lucky. Actually, a Canadian friend told me about the day four hormone shifts. And I didn't stop crying the entire day. And if she hadn't told me that, I mean, where is my doctor on this? Where is all of the support we're supposed to have to help us understand what's coming? If she hadn't told me that, I would have thought there is something deeply wrong with me because I cannot stop crying, and I think on day 10, my husband and I had a little celebration at the end of the day because I hadn't cried for the first time.

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Renee  10:26

And to speak about the crying, which I don't know why this like, left my memory for the first week, every day at 7pm. I would just cry uncontrollably.

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Jen Lumanlan  10:39

Oh, wow.

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Renee  10:40

And I remember thinking, you know, I kept going to these doctor's appointments so that they could measure Milo's head and stuff. And I was like, what about me? Like, I just gave birth, and I can't even sit in the doctor's waiting room. I can't sit down because I'm in pain, but I'm going to bring my baby there. And everyone's gonna, like, you know, “oh, like a baby.” And then they're going to measure his head, and check his testicles, and whatever. And I'm just sitting there like, okay, and I remember my doctor happened to be a young mother herself. She had young kids, and she looked at me in the appointment, and she said, "How are you doing?" And she had a resident with her, and I just broke down crying. Like if she hadn't just taken the time to be like, "How are you doing?" And looking at me in my eyes. I probably wouldn't have said anything. Yeah, And you know, I am very self-aware and understand, you know, feelings of anxiety and things like that. So I can imagine what most people go through and are not able to verbalize to their partners, family, or friends when they're going through a difficult time. And I remember her saying, you know, it's really common for the first couple of weeks when the sun goes down for women to start crying, because it's like, scary. You know, your support person has left for the day. You are kind of like relaxing the baby sleeping hoepfully. Now you have time to kind of like, let everything out. It was so interesting. And luckily for me, it ended up going away after the week. But yeah, I'll never forget every 7pm jeopardy would start and I'm just crying.

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Jen Lumanlan  12:25

And it wasn't because the questions were so bad.

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Renee  12:28

Oh, yeah.

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Jen Lumanlan  12:30

Yeah, it reminds me actually of a study I read. And I'm not going to be able to quote this precisely. And it was old, which you'll understand why this is important in a second, but it said something along the lines of was "the biggest predictor of whether doctors,” and of course, it means male doctors, “would provide appropriate care to mothers after a birth was whether or not their wife had a baby."

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Renee  12:50

Interesting

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Jen Lumanlan  12:51

It had nothing to do with their training. It was whether their wife, and of course, assuming a cisgender heterosexual partnership had a baby. And so that I think that just speaks to the complete inadequacy of preparation that doctors get in terms of seeing as a complete set as a unit. And that it's not just all about the baby. But we're important to in those early days when everybody wants to come and see the baby. That was another challenging period for me. What was that like for you? How did you navigate that?

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Renee  13:20

This is my favorite topic to talk about. And it always blows up on TikTok when I talk about this topic. So when I was pregnant, in the days leading up to labor and delivery, I suddenly had this feeling like I didn't really want people at the hospital for sure. So I think it was like my mom and my dad came and visited Milo quickly and then, and my sister was there because she was in the delivery room. Then I went home. My mom was always around. She lived down the street at that time, which was amazing. And my mom was like my chosen support person. I wanted my mom there in my head. I had Milo on a Friday. My husband was back at work on Monday. So my mom was always there, you know, helping with everything. And so, she was kind of like my gatekeeper. Because she would be like, "Do you want people to come over?" I had Milo in my hometown. So all my family was there and people wanted to come visit. And I was like, "No, I don't want anybody in the house." I was lucky that my mom was kind of the gatekeeper, like having to answer to people. So I didn't have people texting me. I didn't have to say like, "Oh, I'm not really feeling up to it or like make excuses." She was the one that was staying in contact with everyone. So this lasted for probably a few weeks. You know, every once in a while my mom would check in and I was like, "Nope, I don't want anybody coming." It's really interesting because a few weeks after I gave birth, we had a family function. Someone had passed away, and so I went to the function, and I remember my uncle coming up to me and saying, "Oh, I guess you're really having a hard time." And I said, "What? Why are you saying that?" And he's like, "Oh, just because, you know, you didn't want people over and stuff." And I was like, "Well, isn't this interesting?" You know, because I just gave birth, I don't want people coming in and visiting. And I just want to be alone and focus on Milo, get into a routine to heal physically. People are assuming that there's something wrong, that I am having this terrible time. And it wasn't the case at all. So when that happened, I started to talk about this topic of not wanting visitors after giving birth, because on TV and in movies, people are in and out. And in most people's situations, people are just in and out like a revolving door. And the moms are just smiling. And it's, you know, oh, it's like a happy time for everyone to be there. But for the most part, people, like women, after giving birth do not want visitors. And there's a difference between a visitor and a support person. I always say like, if I can't just get up, leave the room and go take a nap. When you're over or I can't pass gas in front of you or breastfeed, then you're not a support person. Again, I talk a lot about this topic. And it breaks my heart to...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/momroom]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8b059db7-d74e-4976-82b8-cb71ab4314cd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9e8314e4-cb00-4b80-af63-fe8831f2112c/20-20Renee-20Reina-mixdown.mp3" length="62734563" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>152: Everything you need to know about sleep training</title><itunes:title>152: Everything you need to know about sleep training</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We've already covered a couple of episodes on sleep, including the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sleep/">cultural issues associated with sleep</a>, then more recently we talked with <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/restedchild">Dr. Chris Winter about his book The Rested Child</a> where we looked at sleep issues in older children.

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But if you have a young child who isn't sleeping well, from the baby stage all the way up to about preschool, this episode is for you!  My guest is Macall Gordon, senior lecturer in the Department of Psychology at Antioch University Seattle, and who has studied young children's sleep for 20 years.  She's particularly interested in the intersection between children's temperament and their sleep, and how parents of the children she calls 'little livewires' can support these children so <em>everyone</em> gets more sleep.

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If you have questions about sleep training - particularly when and how to do it - this episode is for you!

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01:25 Introduction of episode

05:15 Age range of a child to be sleep-trained

16:15 What it's like to be a parent in a sleep training study

17:30 The active ingredient to sleep coaching

29:00 The differences of how babies sleep through the night

37:20 Only one method in sleep training the child

40:21 Limit setting disorder

48:54 Realization on the episode

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Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so

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Jenny  00:09

Do you get tired of hearing the same old interest in podcast episodes? I don't really but Jen thinks you might. I'm Jenny, a listener from Los Angeles, testing out a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development but puts it in context for you as well. So you can decide whether and how to use this new information. I listen because parenting can be scary and it's reassuring to know what the experts think. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe. You can also join the free Facebook group to continue the conversation. Over time you might get sick of hearing me read this intro so come and record one yourself. You can read from a script Jen provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com/recordtheintro. I can't wait to hear yours.

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Jen Lumanlan  01:26

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we are going to be talking about a topic that we have addressed a number of times recently. We're coming back for another go at it from a different angle. We're looking at sleep and specifically this time we're looking at sleep training. Before we do that, I wanted to let you know that I am reopening the course that I ran with Hannah and Kelty from Upbringing in a few weeks and it's called right from the start. And it's really about how to get parenting right for you from the start, rather than that, there is one right way to parent. And so we cover all the essential topics that are really relevant to parenting in baby's first year, from sleeping to feeding to supporting physical, mental and emotional development. But the parents who have taken the course tell us that the part that they really needed that they didn't know they needed was the part that really speaks about "What is my experience as a parent? What are my needs as a parent? And how do I get those met along with meeting my baby's needs as well?" So, the course is designed for both first-time parents as well as those who have a child already and who know that parenting cannot be the same with this child as it has been with previous children because we don't have enough hands to go around. There isn't enough of us to give this child the same experiences our previous children have had. So enrollment for right from the start is open between April 3rd and 13th  and we all start together as a group on Monday, April 18. So, gift certificates are also available, so if a new baby is not in your present or in your future, then you may find that it makes a great gift for somebody if you're going to a shower or potentially an even an early Mother's Day gift for somebody who's important in your life. So if you would like to help somebody in your life to get the right start for them with their baby, then I invite you to go to YourParentingMojo.com/rightfromthestart to learn more. Today I’m here with Macall Gordon, who is the senior lecturer in the Department of Psychology at Antioch University Seattle. And she has been interested in the topic of baby sleep for over 20 years now. And it's a topic that took her back to graduate school in 2001. She's a certified gentle sleep coach at her company, Little Live Wires, as well. And Macall may actually, in addition to obviously being on the same page sartorially with me (we're both here in our navy blue shorts) she may be the best-prepared guest I've ever had on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. She actually reached out to me and said, "Could I be on the show?" And I said, "Well, I've done a couple of episodes on sleep already. What new angle do you think we could take on this?" and she responded with a long list of topics that really get into the weeds on the research. So if you are the parent of a child who isn't sleeping well and particularly if that child is under a year of age, then do listen up, because today we're going to spend quite a bit of time talking about sleep training, and we'll learn what we know from the research as well as where that research base really lets us down, and what all of that means for struggling parents, particularly parents who have what researchers call a “Difficult Temperament,” but I imagined Macall might call a Little Livewire. So welcome, Macall. It's great to have you here.

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Macall  04:16

Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:18

All right. And so you have been at this for a while now. This is a long time to be interested in baby's sleep. What was it that really drew you to this topic?

&nbsp;

Macall  04:28

That's such a good question. I started on this journey back with my first child that I had right at the very start of the internet so it was so early that all the websites that were on the web could fit in a book. It was actually a telephone directory of the internet, so we relied very heavily on books and then all these parenting magazines that you'd see in the pediatricians' offices and the magazines I was noticing that this was the era of critical periods of brain development, right? It's a big deal about the first three years, so important for brain development. And so, they were talking about the importance of responsiveness for brain development and attachment, and everything. And then, literally on the next page, they were saying, but for sleep, you gotta let your baby cry it out. And what I noticed was that the age to start was getting younger and younger. When I first started looking at was six months, and then it was five months, and then it was four months, and I thought, "Boy, this just doesn't totally make sense to me." There must be research to show that this is safe and a good idea. And back then I didn't really have a lot of resources to dig into the research but as the Internet became more and more available, I started poking around. And once I figured out, first of all, what researchers called "crying it out," which was a whole project by itself, once I kind of unlocked the research base, honestly, the more I looked, the less I found. And I kept thinking, "Okay, I'm just not finding it." It's out there. I just haven't found it yet. And even when I went to my very first conference to present my lit review, I was standing there quaking in my boots because I thought there's going to be some massive researcher who's going to come along and just look at me and shake their head and pity, and say, "Oh, honey, didn't you know about the whatever study?" That I had missed some huge piece, but really, what I found is that there wasn't a lot there, and in the ensuing 10 or 15 years, still not much more on this particular question, so many levels we're still in the same boat as we were even 20 years ago.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  06:44

Yeah, and on that issue of the age at which to start sleep training. When I looked at one of your conference posters, and it has the bars showing the age at which the resource or the book or the study recommends sleep training, and the vast majority of them, they're doing a study on children who are aged between six months on the very young end, but usually around 12 months, and like 50 months, right? parents in the real world. Yes, there are a small fraction whose children are not sleeping through the night by then and they need help, but who are most of the parents who are searching for information on sleep training?

&nbsp;

Macall  07:19

Right. They are parents of young babies. Yes, that's perhaps one of the most startling findings to me was that the research that we often use to support the need and effectiveness of sleep training in young infants was not even done on infants, but we know very little about how any infants in those studies experienced the intervention for being, you know, so big on precision, sometimes research really misses the boat on development so I think you probably saw, there's one study that had the sample was 4 to 52...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We've already covered a couple of episodes on sleep, including the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sleep/">cultural issues associated with sleep</a>, then more recently we talked with <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/restedchild">Dr. Chris Winter about his book The Rested Child</a> where we looked at sleep issues in older children.

&nbsp;

But if you have a young child who isn't sleeping well, from the baby stage all the way up to about preschool, this episode is for you!  My guest is Macall Gordon, senior lecturer in the Department of Psychology at Antioch University Seattle, and who has studied young children's sleep for 20 years.  She's particularly interested in the intersection between children's temperament and their sleep, and how parents of the children she calls 'little livewires' can support these children so <em>everyone</em> gets more sleep.

&nbsp;

If you have questions about sleep training - particularly when and how to do it - this episode is for you!

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:25 Introduction of episode

05:15 Age range of a child to be sleep-trained

16:15 What it's like to be a parent in a sleep training study

17:30 The active ingredient to sleep coaching

29:00 The differences of how babies sleep through the night

37:20 Only one method in sleep training the child

40:21 Limit setting disorder

48:54 Realization on the episode

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[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so

&nbsp;

Jenny  00:09

Do you get tired of hearing the same old interest in podcast episodes? I don't really but Jen thinks you might. I'm Jenny, a listener from Los Angeles, testing out a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development but puts it in context for you as well. So you can decide whether and how to use this new information. I listen because parenting can be scary and it's reassuring to know what the experts think. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe. You can also join the free Facebook group to continue the conversation. Over time you might get sick of hearing me read this intro so come and record one yourself. You can read from a script Jen provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com/recordtheintro. I can't wait to hear yours.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  01:26

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we are going to be talking about a topic that we have addressed a number of times recently. We're coming back for another go at it from a different angle. We're looking at sleep and specifically this time we're looking at sleep training. Before we do that, I wanted to let you know that I am reopening the course that I ran with Hannah and Kelty from Upbringing in a few weeks and it's called right from the start. And it's really about how to get parenting right for you from the start, rather than that, there is one right way to parent. And so we cover all the essential topics that are really relevant to parenting in baby's first year, from sleeping to feeding to supporting physical, mental and emotional development. But the parents who have taken the course tell us that the part that they really needed that they didn't know they needed was the part that really speaks about "What is my experience as a parent? What are my needs as a parent? And how do I get those met along with meeting my baby's needs as well?" So, the course is designed for both first-time parents as well as those who have a child already and who know that parenting cannot be the same with this child as it has been with previous children because we don't have enough hands to go around. There isn't enough of us to give this child the same experiences our previous children have had. So enrollment for right from the start is open between April 3rd and 13th  and we all start together as a group on Monday, April 18. So, gift certificates are also available, so if a new baby is not in your present or in your future, then you may find that it makes a great gift for somebody if you're going to a shower or potentially an even an early Mother's Day gift for somebody who's important in your life. So if you would like to help somebody in your life to get the right start for them with their baby, then I invite you to go to YourParentingMojo.com/rightfromthestart to learn more. Today I’m here with Macall Gordon, who is the senior lecturer in the Department of Psychology at Antioch University Seattle. And she has been interested in the topic of baby sleep for over 20 years now. And it's a topic that took her back to graduate school in 2001. She's a certified gentle sleep coach at her company, Little Live Wires, as well. And Macall may actually, in addition to obviously being on the same page sartorially with me (we're both here in our navy blue shorts) she may be the best-prepared guest I've ever had on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. She actually reached out to me and said, "Could I be on the show?" And I said, "Well, I've done a couple of episodes on sleep already. What new angle do you think we could take on this?" and she responded with a long list of topics that really get into the weeds on the research. So if you are the parent of a child who isn't sleeping well and particularly if that child is under a year of age, then do listen up, because today we're going to spend quite a bit of time talking about sleep training, and we'll learn what we know from the research as well as where that research base really lets us down, and what all of that means for struggling parents, particularly parents who have what researchers call a “Difficult Temperament,” but I imagined Macall might call a Little Livewire. So welcome, Macall. It's great to have you here.

&nbsp;

Macall  04:16

Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:18

All right. And so you have been at this for a while now. This is a long time to be interested in baby's sleep. What was it that really drew you to this topic?

&nbsp;

Macall  04:28

That's such a good question. I started on this journey back with my first child that I had right at the very start of the internet so it was so early that all the websites that were on the web could fit in a book. It was actually a telephone directory of the internet, so we relied very heavily on books and then all these parenting magazines that you'd see in the pediatricians' offices and the magazines I was noticing that this was the era of critical periods of brain development, right? It's a big deal about the first three years, so important for brain development. And so, they were talking about the importance of responsiveness for brain development and attachment, and everything. And then, literally on the next page, they were saying, but for sleep, you gotta let your baby cry it out. And what I noticed was that the age to start was getting younger and younger. When I first started looking at was six months, and then it was five months, and then it was four months, and I thought, "Boy, this just doesn't totally make sense to me." There must be research to show that this is safe and a good idea. And back then I didn't really have a lot of resources to dig into the research but as the Internet became more and more available, I started poking around. And once I figured out, first of all, what researchers called "crying it out," which was a whole project by itself, once I kind of unlocked the research base, honestly, the more I looked, the less I found. And I kept thinking, "Okay, I'm just not finding it." It's out there. I just haven't found it yet. And even when I went to my very first conference to present my lit review, I was standing there quaking in my boots because I thought there's going to be some massive researcher who's going to come along and just look at me and shake their head and pity, and say, "Oh, honey, didn't you know about the whatever study?" That I had missed some huge piece, but really, what I found is that there wasn't a lot there, and in the ensuing 10 or 15 years, still not much more on this particular question, so many levels we're still in the same boat as we were even 20 years ago.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  06:44

Yeah, and on that issue of the age at which to start sleep training. When I looked at one of your conference posters, and it has the bars showing the age at which the resource or the book or the study recommends sleep training, and the vast majority of them, they're doing a study on children who are aged between six months on the very young end, but usually around 12 months, and like 50 months, right? parents in the real world. Yes, there are a small fraction whose children are not sleeping through the night by then and they need help, but who are most of the parents who are searching for information on sleep training?

&nbsp;

Macall  07:19

Right. They are parents of young babies. Yes, that's perhaps one of the most startling findings to me was that the research that we often use to support the need and effectiveness of sleep training in young infants was not even done on infants, but we know very little about how any infants in those studies experienced the intervention for being, you know, so big on precision, sometimes research really misses the boat on development so I think you probably saw, there's one study that had the sample was 4 to 52 months. If you do that math, 52 months is a four-and-a-half-year-old. You can't possibly tell me that a four-and-a-half-year-old experienced that intervention the same way a four-month-old baby did. But the results of that study didn't even parcel things out by age at all. They just reported it for the sample. That's what I knew when we started poking at it and saying, "Okay, what do we really know, in a nuanced, developmentally aware way about sleep training?" It really is a bit of the emperor's new clothes, right? I've consistently gone, why is no one else seeing this? No one else is seeing what I'm seeing here.

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Jen Lumanlan  08:32

And so I think that's super important to understand for this topic and for other topics as well. I mean, this is not uncommon in the literature, right? To study a sample that is convenient to you. Maybe those were the babies that the researcher had easy access to, for whatever reason, and they didn't know how to go about analyzing the data, or it wasn't convenient for them to analyze the data in multiple cohorts, maybe there was only one four-month-old and all the rest of us are much older, and they would have had to throw that one child out and then report a much older dataset, and they didn't want to do that. These concerns exist throughout the literature and it's a pervasive problem. What other kinds of disconnects did you find as you're digging into this research?

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Macall  09:08

Oh, goodness, well, what we're really talking about is the difference between how researchers characterize effectiveness and then what happens to those findings when they're reported in the real world and the problem is that the findings from research have been expanded to such a level that when you really start looking for nuanced, developmentally appropriate information, it's just not there, so, for example, that study the four to 52 months, some of these don't even say how many infants were in the sample, and then they just say "extinction," which is really what we're talking about here. Extinction is the main focus of, I would say, 99% of the research on sleep interventions. Extinction is basically the idea that whatever you don't pay attention to will go away. The old behavior modification behaviorist idea that what you pay attention to persists and what you ignore goes away, so essentially, crying it out, there are at least a couple of forms of crying it out extinction. There's pure extinction, which has been researched, which is you just close the door and you don't go back until morning, some people call that cold turkey and there are books who recommend doing that. The second one is the graduated extinction, which we think of as Ferber, so you leave for progressively longer periods of time. There are some variations of that, were ones called like time checks, where you go in at regular intervals. Then there's this funny one called "camping out," which is a little bit blurry because it can mean what they call "extinction with parental presence," meaning you do pure extinction but you stay in the room, so the parent stays there and pretends they're asleep, while the baby or child is freaking out. It can also mean what we refer to as parental fading, which means that you start giving a lot of support at first and then you fade that out. Those two things are lumped together under the same title, which I don't personally fully understand so that one's a little bit unclear, but for sure, pure and graduated extinction are the big ones, and because they're the big ones, we have to think about the business of research, right? because it's an industry. It's business. What happens with research is that once there's a finding and people start building on or replicating those findings, it becomes a thing, right? That you just keep, you know, not really regurgitating, but definitely recycling, adding, reciting, and suddenly it becomes a mountain and then A it becomes evidence-based and B no one wants to question it, right? It's really becomes like this juggernaut that no one can sail because there's this mountain of evidence but there's also a mountain of evidence because people keep asking that same question, right? There's a reason there's a mountain of evidence. It's not because it's the best, it's just because most people are researching it because they want to build on an existing body of literature, so that's definitely where we're at right now. I continue to be surprised at the number of studies that just ask and answer, "Does extinction work? Does it work?" We need to start asking other questions like, "Who does it work for?" Who does it not work for? At what age is it maybe not recommended? How much crying is too much? At what ages? " So more of a dose-response, rather than just this global, it works for everyone at all times, in all situations, across all amounts of crime. I really think we need to really start deconstructing it, really taking it apart and looking at each piece more carefully, which is kind of the focus of my work, I would say.

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Jen Lumanlan  13:01

I'm 100% agree. And just on that sort of mountains of evidence point, I mean, I see that over and over and over again, where whatever study I'm looking at, it was just released, cites a study from a couple of years before, and what they're citing is not necessarily the findings of that study, but just a comment that the person in that study who was doing that study made, which was then citing a previous study, which was about a comment that person in that study may not their actual results. And so you build on this series of comments that people have made that aren't actually even related to their results, and then you get finally back to the beginning of the evidence chain and you'll find that what was described in the original research is nothing like what you ended up, it's like that game of whispers, right, where you're whispering one to the next, and it gets changed throughout the way that it's cited, and it's built on as if at each stage, it still represents the truth, right?

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Macall  13:52

There's some new work now called I just dipped my toe into it, but it's about what's called citation networks. It's very much this. It's about how people citing and reciting certain pieces of evidence builds a kind of belief system that then gets sort of entrenched, right? And then you have review articles that summarize the things that people have already said again and again, and then meta-analyses that re-review, and then you have levels of evidence, right? We have this chambliss criteria of evidence-based practices, and you start really looking at it, and then I, of course, compare it to what the books are saying, because then this information gets funneled into more popular consumable information, then I do a comparison of like, well, the book said this, what is the research say? It is like whispers, right? It is like, I think we call it "rumors" or something, yeah, where things get altered in the translation, so, that's very much true. I always have to do a disclaimer that this work is not about slamming extinction as an intervention. It's not at all. It definitely works for some families and lots of babies and lots of children. It totally works without a lot of stress and drama. However, it does not work for everyone and I don't think parents get that message really. As far as parents are concerned, this is literally the only option and that is very much not true, so it's more a call for the idea that we need to know more about the ins and outs of using extinction and what the alternatives are because they're out there. They just don't get depressed. And also, it's gotten so polarized to pro and anti-crying it out and I really think that's leaving out a lot of struggling people in the middle, so this is also a call. And also, the people on either side of that debate, whatever they are lobbying for worked for them, then I say, there's all these people in the middle for whom neither option worked, right? And they are really struggling and so I think that by giving parents options, we can defuse some of the sleep war piece and we can give struggling parents a little bit better information, I think.

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Jen Lumanlan  16:11

I totally agree. Okay, so another thing that I want to be really clear about is that when we're talking about doing a study on a method of supporting children's sleep, the way the researchers are doing that study is very different from the way a parent at home, who is struggling and right in the thick of this and has a sleepless baby in one hand and their sleep book in the other hand, and these are two very different experiences, right? Can you talk a little bit more about what it's like to be a parent in a sleep training study?

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Macall  16:40

Oh, boy, that's such a big, great question. In research, we call that transportability, right. Does what we find in the lab translate into real-world experience? In studies, they rarely just hand the parent a pamphlet or a book and say, "Let us know how that goes." Almost all the time, someone meets with the family and then does a whole intake history. Often, they craft a plan with that family and then there is a follow-up for questions even if that follow-up is just a research assistant asking questions, we would consider that interest and a form of support. So the context of a research study almost mirrors a coaching context, so what we do as sleep coaches, and sometimes I honestly think that the active ingredient is sleep coaching, is not necessarily what we're telling parents to do. It's the support we're giving them and the validation. In research, they zero that stuff out because they say, oh, no, no, no, the focus of the study is the intervention. It really doesn't matter where or how we give parents that information. That doesn't count. I mean, it's some of these studies it was done in an...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/livewires]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c1e736c2-3c2d-4be8-871f-97db1f4f8809</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/98610e47-3292-4b2d-ac37-6d7ddd599212/152-Macall-Gordon.mp3" length="76680882" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>151: The Alphabet Rockers with Kaitlin McGaw and Tommy Shepherd</title><itunes:title>151: The Alphabet Rockers with Kaitlin McGaw and Tommy Shepherd</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div>The band The Alphabet Rockers consists of lead members Kaitlin McGaw and Tommy Shepherd, and a multi-racial group of children who are also involved in writing and performing.  They write about their real lived experiences and their desire to live in a world where everyone belongs.</div>
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01:37 Introducing the guest speakers

04:45 Each song has its journey

14:30 The importance of centering children's experience in creating a culture of belonging

19:30 Practices that are intentionally brought into your family or practices that you have let go of in your family

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so

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<strong>Jenny  </strong>00:10

do you get tired of hearing the same old interests to podcast episodes? I don't really But Jen thinks you might. I'm Jenny, a listener from Los Angeles, testing out a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development but puts it in context for you as well, so you can decide whether and how to use this new information. I listen because parenting can be scary and it's reassuring to know what the experts think. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe. You can also join the free Facebook group to continue the conversation. Over time you might get sick of hearing me read this intro so come and record one yourself. You can read from a script Jen provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com/RecordTheIntro. I can't wait to hear yours

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:33

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we are going to do something I think that we've never done before. I don't believe we have had Grammy-nominated people on the show before so I'm excited for that. We are welcoming Tommy Shepherd and Caitlin McGraw who are co-creators of the Grammy nominated Alphabet Rockers and they have quickly become an important voice for today's youth curating content centered on children's voices and social justice issues like racism and gender inclusion. Their Grammy-nominated album “Rise Shine #Woke” inspired kids to stand up to hate and they have a second Grammy-nominated album “Love” which lifts up the voices of trans-two-spirit and gender nonconforming communities. They recently received a third Grammy nomination for “Shine” (melanin remix) featured on all one tribe, which is nominated for a best children's album. And now they've now written a picture book called You Are Not Alone, which empowers kids to love themselves and their identities stand up to hate, and have each other's backs no matter what. And the book looks at how children can feel others because of their race, gender, culture, and other factors and how they can navigate discrimination, and find strengths from their friends and allies. Welcome, Tommy and Kaitlin, so great to have you here.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>02:39

Thank you happy to be here.

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<strong>Kaitlin </strong>02:42

Let's go

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:41

All right, so I think the first thing that struck me when I was listening to your work is there are not so many intergenerational bands out there. How did you get started? And why did you choose music as your mechanism to get these ideas out into the world?

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<strong>Kaitlin </strong>02:55

Yeah, well, we had been working in the schools independently and when we came together with alphabet rockers initially, actually, it was, you know, kind of subversive, we knew that hip hop was a cultural space for belonging, actually, and for expression. And so we were bringing hip hop into the schools in a way that we felt really served all children and quickly realized that articulating and being very specific with the adults about what inclusion is required all framework, so we shifted our mission statement, and since 2015 we have been making music intentionally that makes change. So each song holds a question that our children pose to us that we see as community agents for change and we work in community to kind of find a musical response and heart-centered space to share.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:48

And so we're here with the two of you today, but you are not the entirety of Alphabet Rockers, right? Yes, I should make that clear for folks who don't know you.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>03:55

Sure, yeah. We have a huge team who we are really about our collectivity, a lot of minds come together to conceptualize a lot of minds coming together to actually hold down the business part of things. We have a team that really is about keeping us on our toes with our affirmations and with our [unintelligible]. And we have team members that are also leading like Caitlin and I and other youngsters they lead you know, and leadership changes and leadership actually a thing that we really thrive on because we play follow the follower most of the time.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>04:29

Yeah, and so when we're watching an Alphabet Rockets recording, one of the things that we see most of, is children right? It’s children singing and often singing about themselves and how they show up in the world. How does that all work?

&nbsp;

<strong>Kaitlin </strong>04:42

It's a great question for each song has their own journey. So some songs do hold private conversations we've had with kids and families. The song you are not alone, for example, was a private conversation with a transgendered boy who shared what inclusion would look like for him in school and he had written something on a wall. We do a lot of anonymous sharing as well, whether it be now virtually actually it works really well, kids can write their ideas into songs without us even knowing who wrote it. But at the time in person, he put it up and posted it on the wall and said, “I need friends that have my back note, even when I'm not in the room.” And it really, kind of like broke us open a little bit to look at what's the space we want to create for this child and with this child, because at that time, his family had done everything they could since he was a baby to, you know, kind of create the path forward together and they didn't have this piece, they didn't have the musical information that would say, “Okay, like, we know what the truth is in our hearts, we know what's right in our heads, and we don't have the spiritual connection, the culture to walk in where we can share with someone without articulating every piece of it.” And so that's kind of what we did is we wrote that story with him at the center and with his family at the center, and the song that came out of it was really about the world we want to live in. It may not exist yet, but we want to be in a world where your friends have your back, no matter what. It goes right into the book as well. It's like we just published a book by that name too, You're Not Alone, where it's like, “Oh, look, you know, they don't say my name correct at school but my friend always corrects people,” and we're looking for that, we're looking for that bravery from any age, not just.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>06:24

And the really interesting part about it is that the young people you've heard sing the songs are singing from their perspectives, but it's from that perspective that Kaitlin is speaking of, they identified with these stories, and with these interviews that we had, they identify, so it almost seems like they are coming from their own perspectives, you're gonna get some of that this year, some of them like coming from their own perspectives this year, however, they really just identified with not being alone with knowing that they're not alone in these feelings, all of them.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>06:55

Yeah, and I was watching last night, one of the videos on your website about the work that you've done in classrooms, and was just struck by how intentional the whole exercise...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The band The Alphabet Rockers consists of lead members Kaitlin McGaw and Tommy Shepherd, and a multi-racial group of children who are also involved in writing and performing.  They write about their real lived experiences and their desire to live in a world where everyone belongs.</div>
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<div>Kaitlin and Tommy are actually fellows at the Othering and Belonging Institute, run by Dr. jon powell, whose work I really respect and whom we interviewed in the <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/othering" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/othering&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1647883333458000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2i6lOe-Wza1Xs1DTFhdxFB">episode on othering</a>.</div>
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<div>They also do work in schools - in an hour-long program they work with a class to compose a song, which gives children the experience not just of songwriting, but of truly being heard and having their ideas respected.</div>
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div>Kaitlin and Tommy have now written a children's book called <a href="https://www.alphabetrockers.com/books" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.alphabetrockers.com/books&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1647883333458000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2POFXIWg8CGDsZQZDqBRth">You Are Not Alone</a>, which we discussed in the episode - along with a host of other juicy topics related to parenting...and racism...and White supremacy...</div>
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01:37 Introducing the guest speakers

04:45 Each song has its journey

14:30 The importance of centering children's experience in creating a culture of belonging

19:30 Practices that are intentionally brought into your family or practices that you have let go of in your family

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[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so

&nbsp;

<strong>Jenny  </strong>00:10

do you get tired of hearing the same old interests to podcast episodes? I don't really But Jen thinks you might. I'm Jenny, a listener from Los Angeles, testing out a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development but puts it in context for you as well, so you can decide whether and how to use this new information. I listen because parenting can be scary and it's reassuring to know what the experts think. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you and what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe. You can also join the free Facebook group to continue the conversation. Over time you might get sick of hearing me read this intro so come and record one yourself. You can read from a script Jen provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com/RecordTheIntro. I can't wait to hear yours

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:33

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we are going to do something I think that we've never done before. I don't believe we have had Grammy-nominated people on the show before so I'm excited for that. We are welcoming Tommy Shepherd and Caitlin McGraw who are co-creators of the Grammy nominated Alphabet Rockers and they have quickly become an important voice for today's youth curating content centered on children's voices and social justice issues like racism and gender inclusion. Their Grammy-nominated album “Rise Shine #Woke” inspired kids to stand up to hate and they have a second Grammy-nominated album “Love” which lifts up the voices of trans-two-spirit and gender nonconforming communities. They recently received a third Grammy nomination for “Shine” (melanin remix) featured on all one tribe, which is nominated for a best children's album. And now they've now written a picture book called You Are Not Alone, which empowers kids to love themselves and their identities stand up to hate, and have each other's backs no matter what. And the book looks at how children can feel others because of their race, gender, culture, and other factors and how they can navigate discrimination, and find strengths from their friends and allies. Welcome, Tommy and Kaitlin, so great to have you here.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>02:39

Thank you happy to be here.

&nbsp;

<strong>Kaitlin </strong>02:42

Let's go

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:41

All right, so I think the first thing that struck me when I was listening to your work is there are not so many intergenerational bands out there. How did you get started? And why did you choose music as your mechanism to get these ideas out into the world?

&nbsp;

<strong>Kaitlin </strong>02:55

Yeah, well, we had been working in the schools independently and when we came together with alphabet rockers initially, actually, it was, you know, kind of subversive, we knew that hip hop was a cultural space for belonging, actually, and for expression. And so we were bringing hip hop into the schools in a way that we felt really served all children and quickly realized that articulating and being very specific with the adults about what inclusion is required all framework, so we shifted our mission statement, and since 2015 we have been making music intentionally that makes change. So each song holds a question that our children pose to us that we see as community agents for change and we work in community to kind of find a musical response and heart-centered space to share.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:48

And so we're here with the two of you today, but you are not the entirety of Alphabet Rockers, right? Yes, I should make that clear for folks who don't know you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Tommy  </strong>03:55

Sure, yeah. We have a huge team who we are really about our collectivity, a lot of minds come together to conceptualize a lot of minds coming together to actually hold down the business part of things. We have a team that really is about keeping us on our toes with our affirmations and with our [unintelligible]. And we have team members that are also leading like Caitlin and I and other youngsters they lead you know, and leadership changes and leadership actually a thing that we really thrive on because we play follow the follower most of the time.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>04:29

Yeah, and so when we're watching an Alphabet Rockets recording, one of the things that we see most of, is children right? It’s children singing and often singing about themselves and how they show up in the world. How does that all work?

&nbsp;

<strong>Kaitlin </strong>04:42

It's a great question for each song has their own journey. So some songs do hold private conversations we've had with kids and families. The song you are not alone, for example, was a private conversation with a transgendered boy who shared what inclusion would look like for him in school and he had written something on a wall. We do a lot of anonymous sharing as well, whether it be now virtually actually it works really well, kids can write their ideas into songs without us even knowing who wrote it. But at the time in person, he put it up and posted it on the wall and said, “I need friends that have my back note, even when I'm not in the room.” And it really, kind of like broke us open a little bit to look at what's the space we want to create for this child and with this child, because at that time, his family had done everything they could since he was a baby to, you know, kind of create the path forward together and they didn't have this piece, they didn't have the musical information that would say, “Okay, like, we know what the truth is in our hearts, we know what's right in our heads, and we don't have the spiritual connection, the culture to walk in where we can share with someone without articulating every piece of it.” And so that's kind of what we did is we wrote that story with him at the center and with his family at the center, and the song that came out of it was really about the world we want to live in. It may not exist yet, but we want to be in a world where your friends have your back, no matter what. It goes right into the book as well. It's like we just published a book by that name too, You're Not Alone, where it's like, “Oh, look, you know, they don't say my name correct at school but my friend always corrects people,” and we're looking for that, we're looking for that bravery from any age, not just.

&nbsp;

<strong>Tommy  </strong>06:24

And the really interesting part about it is that the young people you've heard sing the songs are singing from their perspectives, but it's from that perspective that Kaitlin is speaking of, they identified with these stories, and with these interviews that we had, they identify, so it almost seems like they are coming from their own perspectives, you're gonna get some of that this year, some of them like coming from their own perspectives this year, however, they really just identified with not being alone with knowing that they're not alone in these feelings, all of them.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>06:55

Yeah, and I was watching last night, one of the videos on your website about the work that you've done in classrooms, and was just struck by how intentional the whole exercise that you go through with children to work together with them for an hour. I mean, it's an hour. It's a short length of time and creating a song with them in that time, and that they come out of this understanding a bit more about the importance of being heard, and having that experience of having been heard. That's the secret sauce, right?

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>07:26

Yeah, there's a lot of secret sauce happening, like some of that is just like, how are we still compadres business partners, like, 10 years still got stuff to process still in it like a quest, you know? And it's a question and we're still in it together. You know, that video of us writing with kids is actually from Mylan Elementary School, which is where we really started our whole initiative because, at the time, there wasn't brave space talking about anti-racism, and we were at the front of it in terms of the tools that we had. So when kids were writing their songs, and we really listened to what does bias feel like to you what is unfair to you? And sometimes what they talked about, you know, what you think would be like a hot topic, and sometimes it was. Sometimes they would talk about how it's not fair that people when they pollute in the ocean, it affects the world, there was a stretching for us of like, “Yeah, cause sometimes people will talk about changing the world is just about trash and animals, when we were really looking at our humanity. And so we wanted to make sure kids had a space where humanity was the why. It wasn't the convenience of things that adults felt kids could fix, which is like, let's recycle and pick up trash, it was like, “No,” but look at the space we hold together. And that all happened in that video you saw on our website.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>08:42

And the cool part about that process, too, is that we spent probably 90% on the journey of getting to a song and 10% of actually putting the song together and making it happen and practicing with them. That's kind of how we kind of do it, It's really about them getting there. And then we just put it together and it happens, you know,

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>09:02

isn't that kind of how we write songs? I mean, it's like the process is the product.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>09:08

Yeah, and I was thinking, you know, why music? why choose music to get this message out? And something that I read somewhere on your site, just made it click for me like anti-racist work is so often seen as something that happens up here and our heads, right? And you know, the whole White supremacist-based idea of anything that happens up in your head is valuable and important and good, and anything that happens in your body is sort of irrelevant at best. And you wrote about reconnecting those two, can you speak a little bit about how you use music to really connect thinking and knowing about anti-racist work?

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>09:39

Yes. The biggest thing. And we keep coming back to it right because we feel like kids, they're actually, they're thinking here actually in their hearts first, and adults are jammed up. So when people say, “Oh, these topics are too big for kids,” it's like are they actually though because their hearts are so open, and so the weaving the music actually just creates an earworm of love of connection of validation of celebration, of advocacy, it just keeps going in and out.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>10:07

It's reminiscent of a cycle. Keeps feeding itself.

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>10:11

When we first started doing the racial justice music in particular, there were a lot of people who were like, “Oh, don't do it, don't do it, you're gonna mess up, you're gonna make somebody feel alienated, you're gonna isolate people.” And you know, even trusted advisors were like, “You be careful because you have the risk of doing what White people have done with civil rights learning,” and just made it just feel yuck, you know, make somebody feel like they don't belong with just one simple word, the word choice you use. When we talk about the 90% process, that's where we do all of the rigor and the song is clarity. We're not experimenting with children. We are sharing clarity.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:50

And how does that come out as you're writing a song with children? How are you sharing that clarity?

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>10:50

Well, they have it.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>10:56

Yeah, they have it. A whole collage of words gets written on a board in the classroom and we collectively decide what's the most important jewels of all of these words, and then we expand from there, “Well, words are rhyme with these words, and what can we say about this word that involves another word that we use,” we find out what's important to them and then we just use that, and they become choruses, and they become verses, and then they become part of them after we're gone.

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>11:23

Yeah, recently, we were in Virginia, and we were going to kick off a residency by writing a song with some children. And there was a protest at the same time of us because they were afraid of critical race theory, I believe was the guys that never use those words, and also, they're transphobic, and there's a bunch of things. We said, “Come in, sit down, listen, we're not going to kick you out, we're not here for that. We're not going to call the police. You can sit in here and protest. This is a program for children and their parents. Now in that brainstorm the kids, we wanted to talk about power, when we know how we're powerful. This has been a part of our journey during the COVID pandemic is let's recenter so we really know what we do got because so much has been taken when we know our power, and we recognize each other's power. That's the spark. So these kids were like, they came up with probably 50 words about power, spark, energy, and the kids who didn't want to speak could create dance moves. So like when we talk about the affirmations, the movement spaces like we don't use one way to write a song, we don't criticize people for spelling, for phrasing, for rhyming. I'm the worst at rhyming. I love loose rhymes we call them, so why not? Right? Why not demystify the artistic process and give everyone access that's breaking up WHITE supremacy too.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>12:47

Yeah, and there are even occasions where there's a student who doesn't even want to do the dance or the rap or the nothing, but they want to push the button to start the music, they want to stop it when it's time to stop it, they want to reset it, you know what I mean? They want to do that stuff. They want to help move the chairs so we can make space, you know, they want to do that there for that too.

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>13:08

So, what happened with the protest?

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>13:11

What happened with it? Nothing. But we're going back there in a couple of months, and I'm sure they will have regrouped and come harder.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>13:17

We spent a little bit of time I believe, I think we both spoke it's after it was over about spending a little bit of time like wondering like, like, “How am I gonna get you like, how am I gonna sting you?” You know what I mean? And then like, that faded after we got so engaged with the kids. Like we kind of forgot about that elephant in the room that was like ready to scrutinize us.

<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>13:34

Yeah, we gave him a chance to share their ideas. They pass.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>13:39

Yeah, every time this circle came around to their time, we were like, “Here's another opportunity. You can do it. Oh, okay, no. Next time, we're like, here's your opportunity. Oh, okay.

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<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>13:47

Because that's what happens in class too. We're not going to hold any expectation that lingers, right? Because everybody can evolve in a moment and the culture of assigning a role to a child in the classroom is White supremacy culture, because every child is capable of shifting and growing, and it's often the eye of the beholder and missing the clue.

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<strong>Tommy  </strong>14:09

Just because it didn't happen for you last time doesn't mean it might not this time, right?

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>14:13

Well, let's hold out hope for those protesters, and what might shift for them next time.

<strong>Kaitlin  </strong>14:19

That's right.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>14:20

There's hope for all of us maybe. So your work really focuses very intentionally on centering children's experience. Why do you think that that is so important as we work towards creating a culture of belonging?

&nbsp;

<strong>Tommy  </strong>14:32

I can say, this is for a long time I've really have been interested in the human experience and as a human, I have been a child before, and I've been in places where I'm like, “Oh, you know what? When I get older, I'm gonna do this. And when I get older, I'm gonna do that. And when I do this and that,” what I really starting to understand about being a teenager about adolescent, about being a little over 18, all those things, their experiences, their human experiences, we're not trying to do at that age is here a bunch of all these cautionary tales, like don't do this and don't do that, because I've been there before, you know what I mean? Like, really just like, we need to be there to help guide that human experience versus dictate it or structure it or all of those things. I gotta say, I'm still like, not the strictest, but my son, he got rules, but at the same time, like letting him have his human experience and letting him have mistakes, let him make him because as a teenager, he...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/alphabetrockers]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5a1e6737-27fd-46c0-be4a-d63d6cd87ece</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/43153a94-39f5-4dd2-99d3-0430368bdaea/alphabet-rockers-mixdown.mp3" length="56346685" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>150: How to avoid passing on an eating disorder to our child with Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit</title><itunes:title>150: How to avoid passing on an eating disorder to our child with Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode is a continuation of the series on the intersection of children and food.  We've also heard from <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/">Dr. Lindo Bacon on busting myths about fat</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarproof/">Dr. Michael Goran on how sugar affects our children</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarrush/">Dr. Karen Throsby with a more high-level view on the sugar topic</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dor/">Ellyn Satter on her Division of Responsibility approach</a>.

&nbsp;

My guest in this episode, Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit, co-author with Dr. James Lock of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parents-Eating-Disorders-Intervention-Guide-ebook/dp/B07KY2T66B">Parents with Eating Disorders: An Intervention Guide</a>.  The book is written for professionals but it's short and very approachable and may be beneficial for parents who are navigating disordered eating as well.

&nbsp;

In the episode we discuss:
<ul>
 	<li>The impacts of disordered eating on children's health and wellbeing (which were more extensive than even I had realized)</li>
 	<li>The ways that disordered eating impact our parenting</li>
 	<li>How parents can begin to heal so these patterns don't get passed down to the next generation</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:29 Introduction of episode

03:32 Where did eating disorder come from

10:37 Imbalance between maternal stressors and maternal resources

14:15 Ranges of eating disorder

15:20 How eating disorders show on pregnant women

15:56 Average age of eating disorder onset

19:06 Characteristics of infants after the pregnant mother experiences eating disorder

23:53 What transitions do we see as a child is getting older

31:16 What outcomes among children whose parents struggle with eating disorder

32:48 Eating disorder can display the desire for weight loss

34:55 Parent-based prevention and its main theoretical contacts

43:11 Advice that Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit wanted to give to parents

44:48 Advocacy of the program

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit's Book:</strong>

<span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3NZd9oX">Parents with Eating Disorders: An Intervention Guide</a> (Affiliate link).</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., &amp; Lock, J. (2019). Parents with eating disorders: An intervention guide. New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Schiff, R., Feldman, T., Ram, A., Gur, E., Zubery, E., Steiner, E., Latzer, Y., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2015). Child feeding perceptions among mothers with eating disorders. Appetite 95, 67-73.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Schiff, R., Arnow, K.D., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2015). The impact of maternal eating disorders and spousal support on neurodevelopmental trajectories in their toddlers. Abnormal and Behavioral Psychology 1(1), 1000102.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Shiff, R., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2015). Maternal eating disorder history and toddlers’ neurodevelopmental outcomes: A brief report. Eating Disorders 24(2), 198-205.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Schiff, R., Arnow, K.D., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2016). The interactions of mothers with eating disorders with their toddlers: Identifying broader risk factors. Attachment &amp; Human Development 18(4), 418-428.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Zybery, E., Mankovski, E., Steiner, E., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2016). Parent-based prevention program for the children of mothers with eating disorders: Feasibility and preliminary outcomes. Eating Disorders 23(4), 312-325.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Sacks, M.R., Runfola, C. Bulik,C.M., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2020). Interventions to empower adults with eating disorders and their partners around the transition to parenthood. Family Processes 59(4), 1407-1422.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode is a continuation of the series on the intersection of children and food.  We've also heard from <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/">Dr. Lindo Bacon on busting myths about fat</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarproof/">Dr. Michael Goran on how sugar affects our children</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarrush/">Dr. Karen Throsby with a more high-level view on the sugar topic</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dor/">Ellyn Satter on her Division of Responsibility approach</a>.

&nbsp;

My guest in this episode, Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit, co-author with Dr. James Lock of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parents-Eating-Disorders-Intervention-Guide-ebook/dp/B07KY2T66B">Parents with Eating Disorders: An Intervention Guide</a>.  The book is written for professionals but it's short and very approachable and may be beneficial for parents who are navigating disordered eating as well.

&nbsp;

In the episode we discuss:
<ul>
 	<li>The impacts of disordered eating on children's health and wellbeing (which were more extensive than even I had realized)</li>
 	<li>The ways that disordered eating impact our parenting</li>
 	<li>How parents can begin to heal so these patterns don't get passed down to the next generation</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:29 Introduction of episode

03:32 Where did eating disorder come from

10:37 Imbalance between maternal stressors and maternal resources

14:15 Ranges of eating disorder

15:20 How eating disorders show on pregnant women

15:56 Average age of eating disorder onset

19:06 Characteristics of infants after the pregnant mother experiences eating disorder

23:53 What transitions do we see as a child is getting older

31:16 What outcomes among children whose parents struggle with eating disorder

32:48 Eating disorder can display the desire for weight loss

34:55 Parent-based prevention and its main theoretical contacts

43:11 Advice that Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit wanted to give to parents

44:48 Advocacy of the program

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Shiri Sadeh-Sharvit's Book:</strong>

<span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3NZd9oX">Parents with Eating Disorders: An Intervention Guide</a> (Affiliate link).</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., &amp; Lock, J. (2019). Parents with eating disorders: An intervention guide. New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Schiff, R., Feldman, T., Ram, A., Gur, E., Zubery, E., Steiner, E., Latzer, Y., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2015). Child feeding perceptions among mothers with eating disorders. Appetite 95, 67-73.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Schiff, R., Arnow, K.D., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2015). The impact of maternal eating disorders and spousal support on neurodevelopmental trajectories in their toddlers. Abnormal and Behavioral Psychology 1(1), 1000102.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Shiff, R., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2015). Maternal eating disorder history and toddlers’ neurodevelopmental outcomes: A brief report. Eating Disorders 24(2), 198-205.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Levy-Schiff, R., Arnow, K.D., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2016). The interactions of mothers with eating disorders with their toddlers: Identifying broader risk factors. Attachment &amp; Human Development 18(4), 418-428.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Zybery, E., Mankovski, E., Steiner, E., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2016). Parent-based prevention program for the children of mothers with eating disorders: Feasibility and preliminary outcomes. Eating Disorders 23(4), 312-325.

<hr />

Sadeh-Sharvit, S., Sacks, M.R., Runfola, C. Bulik,C.M., &amp; Lock, J.D. (2020). Interventions to empower adults with eating disorders and their partners around the transition to parenthood. Family Processes 59(4), 1407-1422.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/eatingdisorders]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f03c86c0-1c06-4e63-9a8b-48c3b3f151c9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2022 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/456bec21-8ec4-4a98-9f1c-5c6200f28dca/eating-disorders.mp3" length="73269979" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b775b136-cacb-4f23-8589-f434481a0550/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>SYPM 019: Why are you always so angry?</title><itunes:title>SYPM 019: Why are you always so angry?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">One day Iris took her daughter to the park, with enough snacks with for both of them.  When Iris got hungry, she asked her daughter to share some of the food - but her daughter refused.  Iris knows that hunger is a factor that dramatically narrows her Window of Tolerance and makes it more likely that she’ll snap at her child’s behavior, so she asked again for food and again her daughter refused.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Then out of nowhere a crow swooped down and tried to steal some of the food, causing the whole lot to fall on the ground - and Iris exploded.  She was </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">so angry </span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">that she felt a hot energy coming from her gut, and her daughter is standing in the park with tears flooding down her face, because Iris yelled at her.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And then, of course, the guilt and shame spiral begins: “What am I </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">doing?</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">  Why am I so </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">angry?</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">  </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">And why can’t I stop?”</span></i>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Now, Iris is in a very different place.  She’s not perfect, of course - none of us are.  But even Iris, the raised-Catholic-and-prone-to-unworthiness-and-guilt-tripping specialist, has found a different path.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">She no longer has to convince herself that she’s worthy of having her needs met - she knows she is, and she holds her own needs with equal care as her daughter’s needs.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Because her needs are met on a regular basis, she’s able to respond to her daughter’s age-appropriate difficult behavior with compassion and empathy.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And because she’s able to do this most of the time, she doesn’t need to get into the guilt and shame spiral nearly as often.  (And on the few occasions when it does still happen, she knows how to treat herself with compassion as well, instead of beating herself up for screwing up.)</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Do you want to make this kind of shift in your own life?  Do you often feel triggered by your child’s behavior?  My Taming Your Triggers workshop, which has helped thousands of parents to not just remember a new script for the difficult moments, but to truly take on a new way of being in their relationships with their children - just like Iris has done.</span>

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01:43 Introduction about the guest

08:00 Iris’ childhood impression

15:15 What would Iris say to a person experiencing extreme anger

20:40 Iris’ experience in taking the workshop

26:45 What Iris learned in the workshop

33:56 How was it different today than before for Iris

40:59 Transformations that Iris experienced]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">One day Iris took her daughter to the park, with enough snacks with for both of them.  When Iris got hungry, she asked her daughter to share some of the food - but her daughter refused.  Iris knows that hunger is a factor that dramatically narrows her Window of Tolerance and makes it more likely that she’ll snap at her child’s behavior, so she asked again for food and again her daughter refused.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Then out of nowhere a crow swooped down and tried to steal some of the food, causing the whole lot to fall on the ground - and Iris exploded.  She was </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">so angry </span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">that she felt a hot energy coming from her gut, and her daughter is standing in the park with tears flooding down her face, because Iris yelled at her.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And then, of course, the guilt and shame spiral begins: “What am I </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">doing?</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">  Why am I so </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">angry?</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400">  </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">And why can’t I stop?”</span></i>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Now, Iris is in a very different place.  She’s not perfect, of course - none of us are.  But even Iris, the raised-Catholic-and-prone-to-unworthiness-and-guilt-tripping specialist, has found a different path.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">She no longer has to convince herself that she’s worthy of having her needs met - she knows she is, and she holds her own needs with equal care as her daughter’s needs.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Because her needs are met on a regular basis, she’s able to respond to her daughter’s age-appropriate difficult behavior with compassion and empathy.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And because she’s able to do this most of the time, she doesn’t need to get into the guilt and shame spiral nearly as often.  (And on the few occasions when it does still happen, she knows how to treat herself with compassion as well, instead of beating herself up for screwing up.)</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Do you want to make this kind of shift in your own life?  Do you often feel triggered by your child’s behavior?  My Taming Your Triggers workshop, which has helped thousands of parents to not just remember a new script for the difficult moments, but to truly take on a new way of being in their relationships with their children - just like Iris has done.</span>

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01:43 Introduction about the guest

08:00 Iris’ childhood impression

15:15 What would Iris say to a person experiencing extreme anger

20:40 Iris’ experience in taking the workshop

26:45 What Iris learned in the workshop

33:56 How was it different today than before for Iris

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&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">When we snap at our child’s behavior, it often (not always, but often) comes somewhat later in the day.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">There’s a reason for that: it’s because we haven’t been able to set boundaries early in the day, so each time our child crosses where a boundary should have been, we get more and more irritated.  Then finally we can’t take it any more - and after one last not-boundary crossing, we snap.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">(If you snap early in the day, I’d ask you to consider what boundaries were crossed for you the day (or many days) before, and whether you’re still feeling the effects of that?)</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">So we’ve discussed this before, and yet…boundaries continue to be a struggle for almost all of the parents I meet.  Why is this?</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">We’ll get into that in this episode, which draws on Nedra Tawwab’s book </span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Set-Boundaries-Find-Peace-Reclaiming/dp/0593192095"><span style="font-weight: 400">Set Boundaries, Find Peace</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, and goes beyond it too.  Nedra outlines nine reasons why we find setting boundaries so difficult, and I argue that’s because all nine are rooted in patriarchal ways of being in relationships.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">When we’ve been conditioned for decades that our role as women is not to seem rude or mean, to keep the peace at all costs, to make sure everyone else’s needs are taken care of before our own, and to have our power in a relationship come from taking care of others, is it any wonder that we go out into the world and have no idea how to even know we need a boundary, never mind how to set one?</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And secondly I argue that while we might need more boundaries between us and the people we love, that we have WAY TOO MANY boundaries between us and the people in our broader communities.  That’s one big reason why we feel so stressed out all the time - because it seems like </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">we</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> are the only person that can meet our child’s every need, and that we have to do it all alone.  I believe that by breaking these boundaries down we can make life a whole lot easier for ourselves by reducing the number of things we need to do (meal swap, anyone?), and by creating connection that helps us to feel nourished and whole.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">If you’re struggling with knowing how to identify and set boundaries, I’d like to invite you to join the <strong>Taming Your Triggers workshop.</strong></span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">We’ll help you to identify your needs so you can work with your child to get these met and meet your child’s needs as well (and even though this might seem impossible right now, it actually is possible to meet both of your needs the vast majority of the time!).  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And on the relatively few times when it isn’t possible to meet both of your needs, you can set a boundary instead (which is different from a limit!).  When you do this consistently, you can be more regulated more of the time, which means you won’t snap at your child as often as you do now.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">01:32</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Introducing today’s episode</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:15</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Invitation to Taming Your Triggers workshop</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:29</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The distinction between ‘boundaries’ and ‘limits’ in the context of parenting</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">15:35</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The challenges adults face in setting boundaries, attributing difficulty to childhood experiences</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">23:40</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Nine common reasons that may hinder individuals from setting effective boundaries</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:28</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The challenges of setting boundaries, particularly for female-identifying parents, attributing the difficulty to societal expectations rooted in gender roles</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:04</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The impact of societal forces, such as capitalism, patriarchy, and white supremacy, on parenting and the tendency to resort to consumerism as a coping mechanism</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">42:01</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The emphasis on the importance of listening to one's body as a starting point for setting boundaries</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Episodes referenced</strong>
<ul><li><a title="094: Using nonviolent communication to parent more peacefully" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/nvc/" rel="bookmark">094: Using nonviolent communication to parent more peacefully</a></li><li><a title="SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/boundaries/" rel="bookmark">SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting</a></li><li class="fl-post-title"><a title="124: The Art of Holding Space" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/holdingspace/" rel="bookmark">124: The Art of Holding Space</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<b>References</b>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Birdsong, M. (2020). How we show up: Reclaiming family, friendship and community. New York: Hachette.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">hooks, b. (2014). Talking back: Thinking feminist, thinking Black. Abingdon: Routledge.</span>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">We’ve covered the topic of boundaries before, </span><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/boundaries/"><span style="font-weight: 400">in our conversation with Xavier Dagba</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">.  In my work with parents, I see that an inability to set boundaries is a MAJOR cause of feeling triggered by our child’s behavior.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">When we snap at our child’s behavior, it often (not always, but often) comes somewhat later in the day.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">There’s a reason for that: it’s because we haven’t been able to set boundaries early in the day, so each time our child crosses where a boundary should have been, we get more and more irritated.  Then finally we can’t take it any more - and after one last not-boundary crossing, we snap.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">(If you snap early in the day, I’d ask you to consider what boundaries were crossed for you the day (or many days) before, and whether you’re still feeling the effects of that?)</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">So we’ve discussed this before, and yet…boundaries continue to be a struggle for almost all of the parents I meet.  Why is this?</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">We’ll get into that in this episode, which draws on Nedra Tawwab’s book </span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Set-Boundaries-Find-Peace-Reclaiming/dp/0593192095"><span style="font-weight: 400">Set Boundaries, Find Peace</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400">, and goes beyond it too.  Nedra outlines nine reasons why we find setting boundaries so difficult, and I argue that’s because all nine are rooted in patriarchal ways of being in relationships.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">When we’ve been conditioned for decades that our role as women is not to seem rude or mean, to keep the peace at all costs, to make sure everyone else’s needs are taken care of before our own, and to have our power in a relationship come from taking care of others, is it any wonder that we go out into the world and have no idea how to even know we need a boundary, never mind how to set one?</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And secondly I argue that while we might need more boundaries between us and the people we love, that we have WAY TOO MANY boundaries between us and the people in our broader communities.  That’s one big reason why we feel so stressed out all the time - because it seems like </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">we</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> are the only person that can meet our child’s every need, and that we have to do it all alone.  I believe that by breaking these boundaries down we can make life a whole lot easier for ourselves by reducing the number of things we need to do (meal swap, anyone?), and by creating connection that helps us to feel nourished and whole.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">If you’re struggling with knowing how to identify and set boundaries, I’d like to invite you to join the <strong>Taming Your Triggers workshop.</strong></span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">We’ll help you to identify your needs so you can work with your child to get these met and meet your child’s needs as well (and even though this might seem impossible right now, it actually is possible to meet both of your needs the vast majority of the time!).  </span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">And on the relatively few times when it isn’t possible to meet both of your needs, you can set a boundary instead (which is different from a limit!).  When you do this consistently, you can be more regulated more of the time, which means you won’t snap at your child as often as you do now.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">01:32</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Introducing today’s episode</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:15</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Invitation to Taming Your Triggers workshop</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:29</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The distinction between ‘boundaries’ and ‘limits’ in the context of parenting</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">15:35</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The challenges adults face in setting boundaries, attributing difficulty to childhood experiences</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">23:40</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">Nine common reasons that may hinder individuals from setting effective boundaries</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:28</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The challenges of setting boundaries, particularly for female-identifying parents, attributing the difficulty to societal expectations rooted in gender roles</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:04</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The impact of societal forces, such as capitalism, patriarchy, and white supremacy, on parenting and the tendency to resort to consumerism as a coping mechanism</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">42:01</span> <span style="font-weight: 400">The emphasis on the importance of listening to one's body as a starting point for setting boundaries</span>

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<strong>Episodes referenced</strong>
<ul><li><a title="094: Using nonviolent communication to parent more peacefully" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/nvc/" rel="bookmark">094: Using nonviolent communication to parent more peacefully</a></li><li><a title="SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/boundaries/" rel="bookmark">SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting</a></li><li class="fl-post-title"><a title="124: The Art of Holding Space" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/holdingspace/" rel="bookmark">124: The Art of Holding Space</a></li></ul><br/>
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<b>References</b>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Birdsong, M. (2020). How we show up: Reclaiming family, friendship and community. New York: Hachette.</span>

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How many times have you heard this defense of spanking children? But what does the research tell us about spanking effectiveness, child discipline, and long-term consequences?

&nbsp;

My guest, <a href="https://ssw.umich.edu/faculty/profiles/tenure-track/agrogan">Professor Andrew Grogan-Kaylor</a> from the University of Michigan, has extensively researched physical punishment and argues that spanking should be classified as an <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/ACEs">Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE)</a>—a marker of severe trauma. When we examine spanking closely, we're discussing hitting another human being, something we'd never accept between adults. As Dr. Grogan-Kaylor points out, parents typically spank when frustrated or angry, making it virtually impossible to administer in a truly "controlled" way.

&nbsp;

In the episode, we also discuss how, due to the way that a quirk in one researcher’s agenda aligned with changes in ethical rules governing experiments, that there’s actually scientific evidence from randomized controlled trials to support the efficacy of spanking at changing children’s behavior to make it acceptable to their parents!  Now the rules have changed and wouldn’t permit spanking during an experiment, it isn’t possible to generate evidence against spanking.  So advocates of spanking (and yes, there are some!) can honestly say that there is evidence of the highest quality in favor of spanking, and no evidence of that quality against it.

&nbsp;

And of course we have to ask ourselves: is <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/compliance/">compliance</a> what we really want?  Our instinctive response to that question might be “Yes!  I do want flipping compliance – and I want it <em>now!</em>” But I know many parents listening to the show have a goal to raise children who speak up when they see injustice, and who are internally motivated to do the right thing…and unfortunately focusing on making children’s behavior comply with our wishes works against that.

&nbsp;

But that doesn’t mean the alternative is letting our child rule the roost.  There are ways to get your needs met and also meet your child’s needs, without spanking, threatening to spank, punishing, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/the-problem-with-time-outs/">giving Time Outs</a>, withholding privileges, or any other tools like this.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What does research show us about spanking children?</strong>

Professor Grogan-Kaylor's meta-analysis examined five decades of research covering over 160,000 children. He found consistent evidence that spanking is associated with increased:
<ul><li>Aggression</li><li>Antisocial behavior</li><li>Mental health problems</li><li>Cognitive difficulties.</li></ul><br/>
The research clearly shows that spanking doesn't improve behavior—it actually makes it worse.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Is spanking different from physical abuse?</strong>

Dr. Grogan-Kaylor's research found that the effects of spanking and physical abuse on children are very similar. This challenges the idea that we can spank children without hurting them in the same way that physical abuse hurts them. Hitting, even when called "discipline," affects a child's developing brain and sense of safety in similar ways to abuse.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Should spanking be considered an Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE)?</strong>

Spanking affects a child's stress response system, and impacts their development. The long-term outcomes from spanking are similar to outcomes associated with established Adverse Childhood Experiences. Dr. Grogan-Kaylor makes a compelling case that spanking should join the list of recognized ACEs.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What about parents who say "I was spanked and I turned out fine"?</strong>

This is one of the most common defenses of spanking. Dr. Grogan-Kaylor explains how our understanding of child development has evolved over the last 50 years. Personal experiences, while valid, don't override the consistent findings from hundreds of scientific studies across diverse populations and cultures.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>At what age do parents typically spank children?</strong>

You might be surprised by what the research shows. Dr. Grogan-Kaylor and Dr. Shawna Lee found that about a third of parents reported spanking their one-year-old children. One-year-olds cannot reliably remember and act on parent's instructions. Spanking one-year-olds is unlikely to lead to them remembering and acting on these instructions. Even at age two and three, remembering and acting on instructions is an emerging capability.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What effective alternatives to spanking can parents use instead?</strong>

The conversation doesn't just identify problems—it offers solutions! We offer evidence-based approaches to discipline that improve children's behavior while strengthening the parent-child relationship. Professor Grogan-Kaylor shares insights about why non-physical discipline methods work better for:
<ul><li>Teaching children appropriate behavior;</li><li>Supporting the development of emotion regulation;</li><li>Developing problem-solving skills.</li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Physical punishment like spanking is considered harmful to children's development. Even "normal" spanking shows negative outcomes in research studies spanning five decades.</li><li>The scientific evidence showing how spanking increases children's:<ul><li>Aggression</li><li>Antisocial behavior</li><li>Mental health problems.</li></ul><br/>
</li>
</ul><br/>
Dr. Grogan-Kaylor's comprehensive meta-analysis shows that spanking does not improve children's behavior.
<ul><li>How spanking affects children across different cultures, socioeconomic backgrounds, and family situations</li><li>Why spanking should be considered an Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE). This would put it in the same category as other forms of harmful trauma.</li><li>The connection between spanking and increased risk for long-term behavior problems. This can affect a child's future relationships.</li><li>Effective parenting strategies that build positive relationships. This teaches children appropriate behavior - without resorting to physical discipline</li><li>Why the common defense "I was spanked and I turned out fine" misses important context about child development and trauma</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we’ll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:33 Introducing today’s episode and featured guest

05:25 The definition of spanking

07:38 The age range advocated by some for spanking, ranging from two to 12 years old

09:20 The effectiveness of spanking

16:16 The critique of positive parenting research, particularly focusing on methodological fallacies outlined by Dr. Lazarle

22:24 The question of whether there might be an optimal level of spanking that leads to maximum compliance in children

24:40 How to handle defiant children who are not complying with milder disciplinary tactics

26:21 How to comprehend the overall impact of spanking on children

32:03 Dr. Diana Baumrind's surprising involvement in studies on spanking suggesting that authoritative parents, considered successful, spank their children

35:56 The legality of spanking and the absence of legal protection for children against physical punishment

38:11 Arguments against banning spanking, citing studies that suggest little evidence of parents adopting more effective disciplinary tactics after a ban

42:10 Potential cultural and racial differences in the use of spanking

44:09 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Afifi, T.O., Mota, N.P., Dasiewicz, P., MacMillan, H.L., &amp; Sareen, J. (2012). Physical punishment and mental disorders: Results from a nationally representative US sample. Pediatrics 130(2), 184-192.

<hr />

Afifi, T.O., Ford, D., Gershoff, E.T., Merrick, M., Grogan-Kaylor, A., Ports, K.A., MacMillan, H.L., Holden, G.W., Taylor, C.A., Lee, S.J., &amp; Peters Bennet, R. (2017). Spanking and adult mental health impairment: The case for the designation of spanking as an adverse childhood experience. Child Abuse &amp; Neglect 71, 24-31.

<hr />

Baumrind, D., Larzelere, R.E., &amp; Cowan, P.A. (2002). Ordinary physical punishment: Is it harmful? Comment on Gershoff (2002). Psychological Bulletin 128(4), 580-589.

<hr />

Borduin Quetsch, L., Wallace, N.M., Herschell, A.D., &amp; McNeil, C.B. (2015). Weighing in on the Time-Out controversy: An empirical perspective. The Clinical Psychologist 68(2), 4-19. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.incredibleyears.com/wp-content/uploads/Weighing-in-on-Time-Out-Borduin-et-al.pdf">https://www.incredibleyears.com/wp-content/uploads/Weighing-in-on-Time-Out-Borduin-et-al.pdf</a>

<hr />

Cuartas, J., Ward, K.P., Ma, J., &amp; Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2020). Physical punishment and Colombian children and adolescents’ cognitive and behavioral outcomes. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 68, 101140.

<hr />

Deater-Deckard, K., &amp; Dodge, K.A. (1997). Externalizing behavior problems and discipline revisited: Nonlinear effects and variation by culture, context, and gender. Psychological Inquiry 8(3), 161-175.

<hr />

Durrant, J.E., Trocme, N., Fallon, B., Milne, C., &amp; Black, T. (2009). Protection of children from physical maltreatment in Canada: An...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA["I was spanked and I turned out fine."

&nbsp;

How many times have you heard this defense of spanking children? But what does the research tell us about spanking effectiveness, child discipline, and long-term consequences?

&nbsp;

My guest, <a href="https://ssw.umich.edu/faculty/profiles/tenure-track/agrogan">Professor Andrew Grogan-Kaylor</a> from the University of Michigan, has extensively researched physical punishment and argues that spanking should be classified as an <a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/ACEs">Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE)</a>—a marker of severe trauma. When we examine spanking closely, we're discussing hitting another human being, something we'd never accept between adults. As Dr. Grogan-Kaylor points out, parents typically spank when frustrated or angry, making it virtually impossible to administer in a truly "controlled" way.

&nbsp;

In the episode, we also discuss how, due to the way that a quirk in one researcher’s agenda aligned with changes in ethical rules governing experiments, that there’s actually scientific evidence from randomized controlled trials to support the efficacy of spanking at changing children’s behavior to make it acceptable to their parents!  Now the rules have changed and wouldn’t permit spanking during an experiment, it isn’t possible to generate evidence against spanking.  So advocates of spanking (and yes, there are some!) can honestly say that there is evidence of the highest quality in favor of spanking, and no evidence of that quality against it.

&nbsp;

And of course we have to ask ourselves: is <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/compliance/">compliance</a> what we really want?  Our instinctive response to that question might be “Yes!  I do want flipping compliance – and I want it <em>now!</em>” But I know many parents listening to the show have a goal to raise children who speak up when they see injustice, and who are internally motivated to do the right thing…and unfortunately focusing on making children’s behavior comply with our wishes works against that.

&nbsp;

But that doesn’t mean the alternative is letting our child rule the roost.  There are ways to get your needs met and also meet your child’s needs, without spanking, threatening to spank, punishing, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/the-problem-with-time-outs/">giving Time Outs</a>, withholding privileges, or any other tools like this.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What does research show us about spanking children?</strong>

Professor Grogan-Kaylor's meta-analysis examined five decades of research covering over 160,000 children. He found consistent evidence that spanking is associated with increased:
<ul><li>Aggression</li><li>Antisocial behavior</li><li>Mental health problems</li><li>Cognitive difficulties.</li></ul><br/>
The research clearly shows that spanking doesn't improve behavior—it actually makes it worse.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Is spanking different from physical abuse?</strong>

Dr. Grogan-Kaylor's research found that the effects of spanking and physical abuse on children are very similar. This challenges the idea that we can spank children without hurting them in the same way that physical abuse hurts them. Hitting, even when called "discipline," affects a child's developing brain and sense of safety in similar ways to abuse.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>Should spanking be considered an Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE)?</strong>

Spanking affects a child's stress response system, and impacts their development. The long-term outcomes from spanking are similar to outcomes associated with established Adverse Childhood Experiences. Dr. Grogan-Kaylor makes a compelling case that spanking should join the list of recognized ACEs.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What about parents who say "I was spanked and I turned out fine"?</strong>

This is one of the most common defenses of spanking. Dr. Grogan-Kaylor explains how our understanding of child development has evolved over the last 50 years. Personal experiences, while valid, don't override the consistent findings from hundreds of scientific studies across diverse populations and cultures.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>At what age do parents typically spank children?</strong>

You might be surprised by what the research shows. Dr. Grogan-Kaylor and Dr. Shawna Lee found that about a third of parents reported spanking their one-year-old children. One-year-olds cannot reliably remember and act on parent's instructions. Spanking one-year-olds is unlikely to lead to them remembering and acting on these instructions. Even at age two and three, remembering and acting on instructions is an emerging capability.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What effective alternatives to spanking can parents use instead?</strong>

The conversation doesn't just identify problems—it offers solutions! We offer evidence-based approaches to discipline that improve children's behavior while strengthening the parent-child relationship. Professor Grogan-Kaylor shares insights about why non-physical discipline methods work better for:
<ul><li>Teaching children appropriate behavior;</li><li>Supporting the development of emotion regulation;</li><li>Developing problem-solving skills.</li></ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>Physical punishment like spanking is considered harmful to children's development. Even "normal" spanking shows negative outcomes in research studies spanning five decades.</li><li>The scientific evidence showing how spanking increases children's:<ul><li>Aggression</li><li>Antisocial behavior</li><li>Mental health problems.</li></ul><br/>
</li>
</ul><br/>
Dr. Grogan-Kaylor's comprehensive meta-analysis shows that spanking does not improve children's behavior.
<ul><li>How spanking affects children across different cultures, socioeconomic backgrounds, and family situations</li><li>Why spanking should be considered an Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE). This would put it in the same category as other forms of harmful trauma.</li><li>The connection between spanking and increased risk for long-term behavior problems. This can affect a child's future relationships.</li><li>Effective parenting strategies that build positive relationships. This teaches children appropriate behavior - without resorting to physical discipline</li><li>Why the common defense "I was spanked and I turned out fine" misses important context about child development and trauma</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we’ll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:33 Introducing today’s episode and featured guest

05:25 The definition of spanking

07:38 The age range advocated by some for spanking, ranging from two to 12 years old

09:20 The effectiveness of spanking

16:16 The critique of positive parenting research, particularly focusing on methodological fallacies outlined by Dr. Lazarle

22:24 The question of whether there might be an optimal level of spanking that leads to maximum compliance in children

24:40 How to handle defiant children who are not complying with milder disciplinary tactics

26:21 How to comprehend the overall impact of spanking on children

32:03 Dr. Diana Baumrind's surprising involvement in studies on spanking suggesting that authoritative parents, considered successful, spank their children

35:56 The legality of spanking and the absence of legal protection for children against physical punishment

38:11 Arguments against banning spanking, citing studies that suggest little evidence of parents adopting more effective disciplinary tactics after a ban

42:10 Potential cultural and racial differences in the use of spanking

44:09 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Afifi, T.O., Mota, N.P., Dasiewicz, P., MacMillan, H.L., &amp; Sareen, J. (2012). Physical punishment and mental disorders: Results from a nationally representative US sample. Pediatrics 130(2), 184-192.

<hr />

Afifi, T.O., Ford, D., Gershoff, E.T., Merrick, M., Grogan-Kaylor, A., Ports, K.A., MacMillan, H.L., Holden, G.W., Taylor, C.A., Lee, S.J., &amp; Peters Bennet, R. (2017). Spanking and adult mental health impairment: The case for the designation of spanking as an adverse childhood experience. Child Abuse &amp; Neglect 71, 24-31.

<hr />

Baumrind, D., Larzelere, R.E., &amp; Cowan, P.A. (2002). Ordinary physical punishment: Is it harmful? Comment on Gershoff (2002). Psychological Bulletin 128(4), 580-589.

<hr />

Borduin Quetsch, L., Wallace, N.M., Herschell, A.D., &amp; McNeil, C.B. (2015). Weighing in on the Time-Out controversy: An empirical perspective. The Clinical Psychologist 68(2), 4-19. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.incredibleyears.com/wp-content/uploads/Weighing-in-on-Time-Out-Borduin-et-al.pdf">https://www.incredibleyears.com/wp-content/uploads/Weighing-in-on-Time-Out-Borduin-et-al.pdf</a>

<hr />

Cuartas, J., Ward, K.P., Ma, J., &amp; Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2020). Physical punishment and Colombian children and adolescents’ cognitive and behavioral outcomes. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 68, 101140.

<hr />

Deater-Deckard, K., &amp; Dodge, K.A. (1997). Externalizing behavior problems and discipline revisited: Nonlinear effects and variation by culture, context, and gender. Psychological Inquiry 8(3), 161-175.

<hr />

Durrant, J.E., Trocme, N., Fallon, B., Milne, C., &amp; Black, T. (2009). Protection of children from physical maltreatment in Canada: An evaluation of the Supreme Court’s definition of reasonable force. Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment &amp; Trauma 18(1), 64-87.

<hr />

Freeman, M., &amp; Sanders, B.J. (2014). Can we conquer child abuse if we don’t outlaw physical chastisement of children? International Journal of Children’s Rights 22, 681-709.

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Gershoff, E.T. (2010). More harm than good: A summary of scientific research on the intended and unintended effects of corporal punishment on children. Law &amp; Contemporary Problems 73, 31-55.

<hr />

Gershoff, E.T., Lansford, J.E., Sexton, H.R., Davis-Kean, P., &amp; Sameroff, A.J. (2012). Longitudinal links between spanking and children’s externalizing behaviors in a national sample of White, Black, Hispanic, and Asian American families. Child Development 83(3), 838-843.

<hr />

Gershoff, E.T., Goodman, G.S., Miller-Perrin, C.L., Holden, G.W., Jackson, Y., &amp; Kazdin, A.E. (2018). The strength of the causal evidence against physical punishment of children and its implications for parents, psychologists, and policymakers. American Psychologist 73(5), 626-638.

<hr />

Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Font, S.A. (2016). Corporal punishment in U.S. public schools: Prevalence, disparities in use, and status in state and federal policy. Social Policy Report 30.

<hr />

Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2016). Race as a moderator of associations between spanking and child outcomes. Family Relations 65(3), 490-501.

<hr />

Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2016). Spanking and child outcomes: Old controversies and new meta-analyses. Journal of Family Psychology 30(4), 453.

<hr />

Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2004). The effect of corporal punishment on antisocial behavior in children. <em>Social Work Research</em>, <em>28</em>, 153–162.

<hr />

Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2004). Corporal punishment and the growth trajectory of children’s antisocial behavior. Child Maltreatment 10(3), 283-292.

<hr />

Heilmann, A., Mehay, A., Watt, R.G., Kelly, Y., Durant, J.E., van Turnhout, J., &amp; Gershoff, E.T. (2021). Physical punishment and child outcomes: A narrative review of prospective studies. The Lancet. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.christian.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Physical-punishment-and-child-outcomes-June-2021.pdf">https://www.christian.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Physical-punishment-and-child-outcomes-June-2021.pdf</a>

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Holden, G.W., Williamson, P.A., &amp; Holland, G.W.O. (2014). Eavesdropping on the family: A pilot investigation of corporal punishment in the home. Journal of Family Psychology 28(3), 401-406.

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Holden, G.W., Grogan-Kaylor, A., Durrant, J.E., &amp; Gershoff, E. (2017). Researchers deserve a better critique: Response to Larzelere, Gunnoe, Roberts, and Ferguson (2017). Marriage &amp; Family Review 53(5), 465-490.

<hr />

Horn, I.B., Joseph, J.G., &amp; Cheng, T.L. (2004). Nonabusive physical punishment and child behavior among African American children: A systematic review. Journal of the National Medical Association 96(9), 1162-1168.

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Lansford, J.E., Wager, L.B., Bates, J.E., Pettit, G.S., &amp; Dodge, K.A. (2012). Forms of spanking and children’s externalizing behaviors. Family Relations 61(2), 224-236.

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Larzelere, R.E., Cox Jr., R.B., &amp; Smith, G.L. (2010). Do nonphysical punishments reduce antisocial behavior more than spanking? A comparison using the strongest previous causal evidence against spanking. BMC Pediatrics 10(1), 1-17.

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Larzelere, R.E., &amp; Baumrind, D. (2010). Are spanking injunctions scientifically supported? Law &amp; Contemporary Problems 73(2), 57-87.

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Larzelere, R.E., Gunnoe, M.L., Roberts, M.W., &amp; Ferguson, C.J. (2017). Children and parents deserve better parental discipline research: Critiquing the evidence for exclusively “positive” parenting. Marriage &amp; Family Review 53(1), 24-35.

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Larzelere, R.E., Knowles, S.J., Henry, C.S., &amp; Ritchie, K.L. (2018). Immediate and long-term effectiveness of disciplinary tactics by type of toddler noncompliance. Parenting: Science and Practice 18, 141-171.

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Larzelere, R.E., Ferguson, C.J., Gunnoe, M.L., &amp; Roberts, M.W. (2019). The insufficiency of the evidence used to categorically oppose spanking and its implications for families and psychological science; Comment on Gershoff et al. (2018). American Psychologist 74(4), 497-499.

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Larzelere, R.E., Gunnoe, M.J., Roberts, M.W., Lin, H., &amp; Ferguson, C.J. (2020). Causal evidence for Exclusively Positive Parenting and for timeout: Rejoinder to Holden, Grogan-Kaylor, Durrant, and Gershoff (2017). Marriage &amp; Family Review 56(4), 287-319.

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Ward, K.P., Lee, S.J., Pace, G.T., Grogan-Kaylor, A., &amp; Ma, J. (2020). Attachment style and the association of spanking and child externalizing behavior. Academic Pediatrics 20(4), 501-507.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/spanking]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">267ad56b-a6e0-46c9-a753-26f38eb8ff04</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2022 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fb0a792f-ccbe-4541-ab84-00bc01416ed1/148-spanking-edited.mp3" length="47283178" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>148</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>148</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6eceb1ce-2089-442c-b927-26d66ce0727e/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>SYPM 018: No Set Bedtime with Gila and Katherine</title><itunes:title>SYPM 018: No Set Bedtime with Gila and Katherine</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/restedchild"><span style="font-weight: 400">When I interviewed Dr. Chris Winters</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> last year, I described how we’ve been using a No Set Bedtime method with our daughter Carys.  He used it with his children starting in the Elementary years, and his eyes nearly fell out of his head when I told him we’d been using it since Carys was about three.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">In the email about the Dr. Winters interview I asked any listeners who w</span><span style="font-weight: 400">anted to learn more about this method to be in touch, so in this episode we’ll meet listeners Katherine and Gila.  Katherine’s daughter is three and Gila’s son is seven, and in this episode I explain the No Set Bedtime approach and then they pepper me with questions about how to make it work in their families.  </span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">We recorded our conversation back in November 2021, and in January I followed up with them to see how it’s going.  I share their feedback and my ideas on what’s going well and what they might adjust.</span>

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Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so

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Jessica  00:11

Do you get tired of hearing the same old intros to podcast episodes? Me too. Hi, I'm not Jen. I'm Jessica, and I'm in Burlesque Panama. Jen has just created a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes, and I got to test it out. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development. It puts it in context for you as well. So, you can decide whether and how to use this new information. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe, and come over to our free Facebook group to continue the conversation about this episode. You can also thank Jen for this episode by donating to keep the podcast ad free by going to the page for this or any other episode on YourParentingMojo.com. If you'd like to start a conversation with someone about this episode or know someone who would find it useful, please forward it to them. Over time, you're gonna get sick of hearing me read this intro as well. So come and record on yourself. You can read from a script she's provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com and click Read the Intro and I can't wait to hear yours.

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Jen Lumanlan  01:32

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today, we're actually going to do something that we have not done before. We have two parents here with us today, they reached out to me after the still recent to us as we're recording here, that's going to be a little while before this episode is really on the episode with Dr. Chris Winter, where we were learning about sleep and we talked about our no set bedtime process. And at the beginning of that interview, I said, if anyone's curious about this and is interested in applying this idea with their own children, feel free to reach out and maybe we can set something up. And so we have two fabulous parents here today, Gila and Katherine. And each of them reached out and we're curious about various aspects. And we're also kind of hesitant about various aspects. And so today we're going to talk through with them what it might look like to have a no-set bedtime routine in their house. So I'm gonna ask each of them to introduce themselves. And then I'm going to talk for a bit about how this has played out for us and for what I've seen with the families that have implemented it. And then we're gonna go into a q&amp;a, and they're gonna poke holes in this on your behalf, dear listeners so that you can really see how this could play out with your family if you decided to try this. So hello, and welcome to Gila and Katherine, Gila doyou want to go first and introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about you and your family and where you are in the world? And what made you reach out when you saw this offer?

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Gila  02:54

Thanks for having me. So I am a single mom of a seven-year-old boy, and we're in upstate New York. And I reached out for a couple of reasons. One is that my son, while sometimes he falls asleep relatively easily, sometimes, relatively frequently, he falls asleep more than an hour after lights out. And I'm a little familiar with the insomnia literature. And my understanding is that it's not good to be in bed for that long and tossing and turning. And I want to establish healthy sleep habits. But I also really think sleep is so important. The other piece is that sleep is a time when behavioral challenges can come up. And I think there's a lot of reasons why that's the case. But one of them is the power dynamic that this is a place where there can be a power struggle. And I've seen in other places how better things go when I can shift away from the sort of power-over dynamic and have a more collaborative approach. But I struggle with that with bedtime because I do think that sleep is so important. And because it's a place where I think structure and consistency are helpful. So but I was very intrigued and I'm very curious to learn more.

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Jen Lumanlan  04:07

Okay, super. And my understanding is you have more than a passing professional interest in this topic. Is that right?

&nbsp;

Gila  04:13

Yeah, so I am a psychologist and a neuropsychologist. And so I recommend to my patients all the time to improve sleep habits with is just so critical for cognitive functioning, emotional functioning, psychological and physical.

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Jen Lumanlan  04:27

Okay, cool. Well, thank you very much for telling us about you. Katherine. Who are you? Where are you in the world? Who's your family?

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Katherine  04:33

Yes, I'm Katherine, based in Southern Maryland, just outside of DC. I have one daughter who's both three years and three months now. So our bedtime routines have been a little bit inconsistent over time. And lately, at one point we had gotten to a pretty good timing where she was usually in bed and we left the room by 8:30. And now it's kind of crept up to 9:30 by the time we leave, and that leaves very little time for my husband and I to spend time together or just relax, I think that the no set bedtime approach would be exciting to her.

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Jen Lumanlan  05:16

It is to most children, yup.

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Katherine  05:18

Potentially be really helpful for us. But I am hesitant about, alright, I can see potential challenges with getting her to actually stay in her room while we go do something else. We usually like to just watch a TV show together or, you know, spend time together and I could see her begging to leave her room and spend time with us.

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Jen Lumanlan  05:42

Okay, so also like Gila feeling pretty excited about the possibility of this and also like, how on earth is that actually going to work in real life with my real child? Is that right? Okay, so let me tell you how we put this in place for us. And then we can answer all of your questions on behalf of all the parents who are listening to this. So I will say that I'm not sure that everybody who's listening to this necessarily needs to try this approach or to use this approach. I think that one of the main indicators that we can use to say, should we try this approach is maybe something about bedtime is not working for us right now, either, It's not working for the child, and we'll know it's not working for the child because we see them resisting. We see them stalling, we see them not wanting to go to bed, or something isn't working for us. And Katherine, I think you're a great example of that, where you're not necessarily sort of that you're seeing the stalling and eventually the child's getting into bed, and then you get your downtime. It's like your downtime has kind of evaporated at this point. And so something about that is not working for you. And so if the way that we're doing things right now is not working for one or both parties involved, then I think that's a really good reason to consider doing something differently. So we introduced this when my daughter was about two and a half, which even Dr. Winter was pretty shocked by how young she was and basically it came about through resistance to bedtime, and thinking, why are we doing this? Why are we doing this every night, this is harder than it needs to be. What can we shift that can make this potentially easier? Our routine definitely shifted a little bit with how light it is outside and it has also shifted as she's gotten older as well. But in general, what we end up doing is dinner is at around 6:45. And I've cooked every other night. Usually I cook one night and then we have leftovers reheated the second night and dinner itself takes about 20 minutes. So we're coming into the period just after seven o'clock and then we have a good deal of flex time in that hour, that almost hour until about eight. I keep a learning journal for her and I try and keep that out on the end of the dining room table, and so that's my period of the day to write in there. She takes a bath every other day. Sometimes she wants to have playtime if something interesting came in the mail, or we're just back from a trip where we've been exploring national parks, and she didn't finish some of her junior ranger badges and she wants to finish those. So that's sort of a good deal of flex time...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/restedchild"><span style="font-weight: 400">When I interviewed Dr. Chris Winters</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400"> last year, I described how we’ve been using a No Set Bedtime method with our daughter Carys.  He used it with his children starting in the Elementary years, and his eyes nearly fell out of his head when I told him we’d been using it since Carys was about three.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">In the email about the Dr. Winters interview I asked any listeners who w</span><span style="font-weight: 400">anted to learn more about this method to be in touch, so in this episode we’ll meet listeners Katherine and Gila.  Katherine’s daughter is three and Gila’s son is seven, and in this episode I explain the No Set Bedtime approach and then they pepper me with questions about how to make it work in their families.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">We recorded our conversation back in November 2021, and in January I followed up with them to see how it’s going.  I share their feedback and my ideas on what’s going well and what they might adjust.</span>

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[embed]https://vimeo.com/671735528[/embed]

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[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so

&nbsp;

Jessica  00:11

Do you get tired of hearing the same old intros to podcast episodes? Me too. Hi, I'm not Jen. I'm Jessica, and I'm in Burlesque Panama. Jen has just created a new way for listeners to record the introductions to podcast episodes, and I got to test it out. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development. It puts it in context for you as well. So, you can decide whether and how to use this new information. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 reasons your child isn't listening to you what to do about each one. Sign up at YourParentingMojo.com/subscribe, and come over to our free Facebook group to continue the conversation about this episode. You can also thank Jen for this episode by donating to keep the podcast ad free by going to the page for this or any other episode on YourParentingMojo.com. If you'd like to start a conversation with someone about this episode or know someone who would find it useful, please forward it to them. Over time, you're gonna get sick of hearing me read this intro as well. So come and record on yourself. You can read from a script she's provided or have some real fun with it and write your own. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com and click Read the Intro and I can't wait to hear yours.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  01:32

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today, we're actually going to do something that we have not done before. We have two parents here with us today, they reached out to me after the still recent to us as we're recording here, that's going to be a little while before this episode is really on the episode with Dr. Chris Winter, where we were learning about sleep and we talked about our no set bedtime process. And at the beginning of that interview, I said, if anyone's curious about this and is interested in applying this idea with their own children, feel free to reach out and maybe we can set something up. And so we have two fabulous parents here today, Gila and Katherine. And each of them reached out and we're curious about various aspects. And we're also kind of hesitant about various aspects. And so today we're going to talk through with them what it might look like to have a no-set bedtime routine in their house. So I'm gonna ask each of them to introduce themselves. And then I'm going to talk for a bit about how this has played out for us and for what I've seen with the families that have implemented it. And then we're gonna go into a q&amp;a, and they're gonna poke holes in this on your behalf, dear listeners so that you can really see how this could play out with your family if you decided to try this. So hello, and welcome to Gila and Katherine, Gila doyou want to go first and introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about you and your family and where you are in the world? And what made you reach out when you saw this offer?

&nbsp;

Gila  02:54

Thanks for having me. So I am a single mom of a seven-year-old boy, and we're in upstate New York. And I reached out for a couple of reasons. One is that my son, while sometimes he falls asleep relatively easily, sometimes, relatively frequently, he falls asleep more than an hour after lights out. And I'm a little familiar with the insomnia literature. And my understanding is that it's not good to be in bed for that long and tossing and turning. And I want to establish healthy sleep habits. But I also really think sleep is so important. The other piece is that sleep is a time when behavioral challenges can come up. And I think there's a lot of reasons why that's the case. But one of them is the power dynamic that this is a place where there can be a power struggle. And I've seen in other places how better things go when I can shift away from the sort of power-over dynamic and have a more collaborative approach. But I struggle with that with bedtime because I do think that sleep is so important. And because it's a place where I think structure and consistency are helpful. So but I was very intrigued and I'm very curious to learn more.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:07

Okay, super. And my understanding is you have more than a passing professional interest in this topic. Is that right?

&nbsp;

Gila  04:13

Yeah, so I am a psychologist and a neuropsychologist. And so I recommend to my patients all the time to improve sleep habits with is just so critical for cognitive functioning, emotional functioning, psychological and physical.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:27

Okay, cool. Well, thank you very much for telling us about you. Katherine. Who are you? Where are you in the world? Who's your family?

&nbsp;

Katherine  04:33

Yes, I'm Katherine, based in Southern Maryland, just outside of DC. I have one daughter who's both three years and three months now. So our bedtime routines have been a little bit inconsistent over time. And lately, at one point we had gotten to a pretty good timing where she was usually in bed and we left the room by 8:30. And now it's kind of crept up to 9:30 by the time we leave, and that leaves very little time for my husband and I to spend time together or just relax, I think that the no set bedtime approach would be exciting to her.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  05:16

It is to most children, yup.

&nbsp;

Katherine  05:18

Potentially be really helpful for us. But I am hesitant about, alright, I can see potential challenges with getting her to actually stay in her room while we go do something else. We usually like to just watch a TV show together or, you know, spend time together and I could see her begging to leave her room and spend time with us.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  05:42

Okay, so also like Gila feeling pretty excited about the possibility of this and also like, how on earth is that actually going to work in real life with my real child? Is that right? Okay, so let me tell you how we put this in place for us. And then we can answer all of your questions on behalf of all the parents who are listening to this. So I will say that I'm not sure that everybody who's listening to this necessarily needs to try this approach or to use this approach. I think that one of the main indicators that we can use to say, should we try this approach is maybe something about bedtime is not working for us right now, either, It's not working for the child, and we'll know it's not working for the child because we see them resisting. We see them stalling, we see them not wanting to go to bed, or something isn't working for us. And Katherine, I think you're a great example of that, where you're not necessarily sort of that you're seeing the stalling and eventually the child's getting into bed, and then you get your downtime. It's like your downtime has kind of evaporated at this point. And so something about that is not working for you. And so if the way that we're doing things right now is not working for one or both parties involved, then I think that's a really good reason to consider doing something differently. So we introduced this when my daughter was about two and a half, which even Dr. Winter was pretty shocked by how young she was and basically it came about through resistance to bedtime, and thinking, why are we doing this? Why are we doing this every night, this is harder than it needs to be. What can we shift that can make this potentially easier? Our routine definitely shifted a little bit with how light it is outside and it has also shifted as she's gotten older as well. But in general, what we end up doing is dinner is at around 6:45. And I've cooked every other night. Usually I cook one night and then we have leftovers reheated the second night and dinner itself takes about 20 minutes. So we're coming into the period just after seven o'clock and then we have a good deal of flex time in that hour, that almost hour until about eight. I keep a learning journal for her and I try and keep that out on the end of the dining room table, and so that's my period of the day to write in there. She takes a bath every other day. Sometimes she wants to have playtime if something interesting came in the mail, or we're just back from a trip where we've been exploring national parks, and she didn't finish some of her junior ranger badges and she wants to finish those. So that's sort of a good deal of flex time in that almost hour. And then at eight o'clock, we used to have brushing teeth right at eight o'clock. And we've sort of flex that a little bit as she's gotten older to have stories first, and then she brushed his teeth after. If your child has strong resistance to brushing teeth, I would definitely advise having brushing teeth before stories. So that you can sort of use that as a light touch logical consequence. If you're having trouble getting the teeth to brush that we might not have time for stories if we don't get the teeth brushed in an expedient manner. We're at a point now where that's not so much of a challenge as it has been in previous years. And so we can allow a little more flexibility there. So but at eight o'clock, we are starting our storytime and Carys actually sleeps on a pile of blankets on the floor in her bedroom. By her choice, certainly not our preference. And that does mean that her bedroom is not a very comfortable place to read stories. But if your child is sleeping in a bed like most children do, and that is a comfortable place then you could certainly read stories in your bedroom. And many parents find that the fewer transitions that they have around bedtime, the better. And so that's one more reason to get the teeth done early so you don't have to come out of the bedroom if that is potentially a challenge. For us. Again, that's not so much of an issue so we have stories in the living room, and then after that we're transitioning to this mythical time that you're all wondering about what actually happens in this time. So our basic parameter is you can do whatever you like. It needs to be mostly in your room and we took a harder line on this when she was younger, and I am not going to be involved in this. So if you need help with stickers, or glue or tape, or anything like that, that is not a project that we're going to be doing during this period after storytime that it needs to be something that you can do without asking for my help. In the early days with a younger child, what you will probably find is that if you just set up the options of you can go to bed, even if you're not tired, or you can play in your room quietly by yourself, that you will probably find the child will be quite attracted to this idea of not lying in bed, which they may have been forced to do for some period of time before that. I think the key idea that a lot of parents are struggling with here is that this period of time has to meet both party’s needs and really everything that we're doing in our interactions with our children, ideally is going to be meeting both of their needs. And the important part to distinguish there is the difference between needs and strategies. And a strategy is a way that we can meet a need. Firstly, let's look at it from the other way, I might think to myself, well, I want to read a book every night.  That's part of how I want to spend my time. And I need to read a book, I need that for myself. Actually, that reading that book is a strategy to meet a need, which could be depending on what kind of book it is—it could be intellectual stimulation, it could be relaxation, it could be self-care time, it could be any one of a number of needs that I'm meeting by reading this book. And when we bring this back to the level of needs, rather than strategies, we can see actually, there might be a whole bunch of other ways to get those needs met. So if my need for that time is for intellectual stimulation, I might be able to listen to a podcast just as easily as like, as I can read a book, if my need is for self-care, maybe a bath in the bathroom with the door locked, would be another way to have that need met. And that doesn't involve anything to do with books necessarily. So if we can see this at a level of needs, then all of a sudden, a whole bunch of different ways of meeting that potential need can be met. And so we're always looking to understand what is my real need here, not the strategy I'm using to try and meet that need. And what is the child's real need here, maybe the child is not tired and that's why they're not wanting to go to bed. Maybe they don't feel as though they've had enough connection time with you during the day, and that's why they don't want to go to bed. And we need to understand what is their needs so that we can help them to address that, because if their need is for connection time with you, then when eight o'clock or whatever is your time or you know, 8:30 once you get to the end of the story, storytime rolls around, they're probably still going to be coming out of their rooms saying I want to spend time with you because they're not feeling as though they've had that connection time with you. So if you're seeing behavior that is difficult for you to navigate, like coming out of the room, when you're hoping that they're going to be spending this time in their room, then you always want to be asking yourself, what need is the child trying to fulfill by doing this behavior? And so if it's connection time, well, what can we do about that, maybe you could have connection time with them earlier in the day, and so their cup is full by bedtime, and thus they don't mind the Separation from you as much. If you don't have time to do that earlier in the day, maybe an hour and a half of kind of irritated, you know, I told you to stay in your, room I told you to stay in your room is not meeting your need for relaxation and self-care at the end of the day. And perhaps 30 minutes of one-on-one time with your child could refill their cup for connection. And also then get you an hour of time on the back end, for your self-care time, your connection time with your partner, and so on. So I think that's really at the crux of the well what do I do if my child doesn't stay in their bedroom idea? On the younger end when they're not necessarily as able to communicate their needs, you know, do you want to be in bed? Or do you want to play in your room quietly by yourself can be useful? But as soon as they're old enough to start expressing what's actually going on for them, then we can start to bring in this idea of needs and meeting theirs, and meeting hours as well. And in the meantime, we can always hypothesize we can always sort of taking an educated guess at what we think is going on for them and try to help them meet their needs to the best that we can understand it. So that's a super important piece. Then of course you get to what happens if they go to bed late.

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Jen Lumanlan  14:27

And when we first started this yes, I will say there was a period of maybe it was probably two weeks at the most where we had gone from sort of an 8:30 lights out to it was heading towards 9:30 and 10. And at that point, we had been making up songs or story. I would lie with her for a little bit and make up a song or a story based on some funny thing that happened in the day or she would suggest a character and I would make up a song or story based on that. And so, of course, it gets to 9:30 or 10 and she's like, “Okay, it's song time now!” And I'm like, “It's not song time.” It's 10 o'clock at night, it is not time for making up songs and stories. And so I put a boundary in place to say, after nine o'clock, I do not have the mental capacity to be able to make up songs and stories. So if you choose to go to bed before nine o'clock, then I will be able to tell you a song, and make up a story, if you choose to go to bed after that, then I'm not going to be able to do that and I don't have the mental capacity to do that. And so there was then a period of time where she chose to go to bed at nine o'clock, so she could get her song or her story, and there were other days where she's like, I don't really care that much—I'd rather keep doing what I'm doing, It doesn't matter to me. And so yeah, there will be a period of time where they're learning what it is like to self-regulate, and they may end up tired. And if you were to start this on a Monday, you know, they're in preschool, and they would just spend those days in school. Would that be the end of the world if you were not the person who had to deal with that? My hypothesis might the way I approached it was no, it would not be the end of the world if I was not the person who had to deal with that. So yes, we very deliberately did this on school days, and yeah, that means you're gonna get woken up at a certain time, and I'm gonna be super upfront about that. I'm gonna say we need to be out the door at 8:15 and it takes you a bit of time to get going. I'm thinking 7:30 is a reasonable time. We're simplifying our morning routine as much as we can so things like getting dressed, brushing teeth, and eating breakfast, those were really the only three things we were doing in the morning at that time. And at 7:30 rolls around and waking her up, she's pretty tired, and she's not super happy to be woken up. But within a couple of weeks, she had learned that if you go to bed at 10, you are probably going to wake up very tired, and the day is probably going to be kind of rough. And there may be a period of time where you have to sort of say, “Hey, it's 9:30 Are you sure you want to stay up?” And you can see they're still in whatever they're doing, and they don't want to stop. It's like, okay, I'm waking you up at 7:30 No matter what. And then pretty soon, you get to a point where the luster of staying up until whatever time I like wears off a little bit. And they don't feel as though this is something you're going to take away. And thus, they have to do it to the max in case my parent changes their mind and won't let me do this anymore. They realize this is a long-term thing. And so all of a sudden, staying up until super late becomes something that it's not a big deal. And I will say for probably a year now, right off to storytime on most nights, Carys has been going to bed at 8:30. And so we're kind of where I might want to be if I was forcing her...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/nosetbedtime]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c380702a-9d33-4750-b37f-20f4a41b1663</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c28cf366-d504-4c13-9d5d-de8095d7cb15/018-no-set-bedtime-mixdown.mp3" length="84612660" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:51</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>SYPM 017: Reparenting ourselves to create empathy in the world with Amy</title><itunes:title>SYPM 017: Reparenting ourselves to create empathy in the world with Amy</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode we hear from parent Amy, who is a White parent married to a Black man raising four biracial children in Colorado.  Amy has been on quite a journey to explore her role as a descendant of Puritans who came to the United States looking for religious freedom on her father’s side, and of Irish Catholics on her mother’s side.  She sees how her parents were able to get advanced education and a loan to buy a house and start a business, and that from the outside they looked like a pretty happy family.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">But behind closed doors, things were not so pretty - they were actually chaotic and volatile.  Amy was an intense, spirited child and her parents didn’t have the tools they needed to meet her needs.  She learned to use her intellect to protect herself, and projected an image of having her stuff together - a habit that she then continued as a parent, as she projected a Supermom-type image.  Our culture rewards us for looking like we’re keeping it together, even when everything’s falling apart inside.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">So Amy is a deep believer in dismantling patriarchy (she actually wanted to do this on Wall Street!) and in treating people with respect, but in a sleep-deprived moment after her fourth baby was born she broke up a squabble between two of her older children by pulling them roughly apart and yelled at the older one: </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">“Why did you do that?”</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> (a question for which of course there’s no answer).  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">She saw the terrified look on her daughter’s face which brought back the visceral fear she felt at her own parents’ explosive feelings and felt so much pain that she, Amy - the believer in breaking down traditional power structures and treating people with respect - had caused this kind of fear in her own child.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And of course it seemed like the things that really needed to change were her partner, who should stop doing obnoxious things, and her children, who were pushing each other’s buttons and fighting and leaving disgusting blobs of oatmeal on the floor for her to step in with bare feet when she came downstairs in the morning with a baby in her arms that would make her lose her shit before the day even got started.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Over the last few months Amy and her children have been learning new tools to be in right relationship with each other.  It started with learning that Amy did herself, but she shared each idea with her children so they could practice them together.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Amy is now reparenting herself, in a way, so she can be a different sort of parent to her own children - who now empathize with each other’s struggles, and actively try to support each other in difficult moments rather than throwing more fuel on the fire.  Of course all of this is intimately linked to the reconciliation and healing that Amy wants to see in her relationships with Black and Indigenous people in her life and on the land where she lives.</span>

&nbsp;
<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

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</div>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">In this episode we hear from parent Amy, who is a White parent married to a Black man raising four biracial children in Colorado.  Amy has been on quite a journey to explore her role as a descendant of Puritans who came to the United States looking for religious freedom on her father’s side, and of Irish Catholics on her mother’s side.  She sees how her parents were able to get advanced education and a loan to buy a house and start a business, and that from the outside they looked like a pretty happy family.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">But behind closed doors, things were not so pretty - they were actually chaotic and volatile.  Amy was an intense, spirited child and her parents didn’t have the tools they needed to meet her needs.  She learned to use her intellect to protect herself, and projected an image of having her stuff together - a habit that she then continued as a parent, as she projected a Supermom-type image.  Our culture rewards us for looking like we’re keeping it together, even when everything’s falling apart inside.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">So Amy is a deep believer in dismantling patriarchy (she actually wanted to do this on Wall Street!) and in treating people with respect, but in a sleep-deprived moment after her fourth baby was born she broke up a squabble between two of her older children by pulling them roughly apart and yelled at the older one: </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400">“Why did you do that?”</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400"> (a question for which of course there’s no answer).  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">She saw the terrified look on her daughter’s face which brought back the visceral fear she felt at her own parents’ explosive feelings and felt so much pain that she, Amy - the believer in breaking down traditional power structures and treating people with respect - had caused this kind of fear in her own child.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">And of course it seemed like the things that really needed to change were her partner, who should stop doing obnoxious things, and her children, who were pushing each other’s buttons and fighting and leaving disgusting blobs of oatmeal on the floor for her to step in with bare feet when she came downstairs in the morning with a baby in her arms that would make her lose her shit before the day even got started.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Over the last few months Amy and her children have been learning new tools to be in right relationship with each other.  It started with learning that Amy did herself, but she shared each idea with her children so they could practice them together.  </span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Amy is now reparenting herself, in a way, so she can be a different sort of parent to her own children - who now empathize with each other’s struggles, and actively try to support each other in difficult moments rather than throwing more fuel on the fire.  Of course all of this is intimately linked to the reconciliation and healing that Amy wants to see in her relationships with Black and Indigenous people in her life and on the land where she lives.</span>

&nbsp;
<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
…the Taming Your Triggers Workshop will help you.

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</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/amy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d6ff32b3-4225-411f-ba1f-ef5f2b97b1ac</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2022 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c24bc96f-48c8-4e68-9257-fc833b6a7bcd/sypm-17-EDITED-converted.mp3" length="63140019" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:05:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/97aff2d3-bfc9-45d5-8fcb-b2595eb7a6df/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>147: Sugar Rush with Dr. Karen Throsby</title><itunes:title>147: Sugar Rush with Dr. Karen Throsby</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode continues our conversation on the topic of children and food.  A few months ago we heard from <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/">Dr. Lindo Bacon about how the things we’ve learned about obesity might not actually be the whole story</a>.  Then we talked <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dor/">with Ellyn Satter about the approach she devised called Division of Responsibility</a>, which holds the parent/caregiver responsible for the what, when, and where of eating and the child responsible for whether and how much.

&nbsp;

We followed that with a <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarproof/">conversation with Dr. Michael Goran, a world-renowned expert on the impact of sugar on our bodies, and specifically on children’s bodies</a> – and co-author of the book SugarProof.  While the research seems to indicate that consuming large amounts of sugar isn’t necessarily the best thing for us, when I dug into the original papers that form the backbone of SugarProof I found that the results didn’t always seem to be quite as large as the book indicated.

&nbsp;

In this episode we take another look at sugar – this time from the perspective of sociologist <a href="https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/sociology/staff/53/dr-karen-throsby">Dr. Karen Throsby</a>.  Dr. Thorsby received her BA in English Language and Literature from Lincoln College, Oxford, and a MSc in Gender and later a Ph.D from the London School of Economics.  She is currently  an Associate Professor in Gender Studies at the University of Leeds, and is writing a book entitled Sugar Rush: Science, Obesity, and the Social Life of Sugar.

&nbsp;

For the book, she is analyzing over 500 UK newspaper articles about sugar, as well as policy documents, scientific publications, popular science articles, self-help literature, and documentaries. She wants to understand what happens when we demonize sugar as ‘public enemy number one,’ and along with it the fat body. She doesn’t aim to determine the ‘truth’ about sugar or offer prescriptions about what people should eat, but instead think about how this debate relates to how scientific knowledge is produced, validated, and appropriated, panics about health and body size, the role of generation, gender, race, and class, and the lived inequalities associated with food.

&nbsp;

<b>Other episodes mentioned in this episode:</b>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarproof/">145: How to Sugarproof your kids with Dr. Michael Goran</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<b>Jump to highlights:</b>

02:10 Introducing Dr. Throsby

03:22 One of your big focuses is on the idea of sugar being addictive.  Can you tell us why you start there?  What does it mean to be addicted to something, and can we be addicted to sugar?

09:46 We have to be really careful with any attempt to define addiction because some people and certain groups of people are seen as more liable to be seduced by sugar than others

12:18 The neuroscientific model of addiction recognizes that addiction is more than a failure of will and morals but also factors in biological vulnerability which can affect some people more than others

15:10 The idea that you could stop consuming sugar if you wanted to is part of the problem in the way that sugar is being figured because it ignores the social context within which consumption occurs

21:18 The reason the book is called Sugar Rush is obviously it's a play on the idea of having a lot of sugar, but also about the rush to blame sugar

22:04 Sugar is often referred to as empty calories but actually, it's a category of food that is absolutely laden with meaning that I think is really important

&nbsp;

<b>Links:</b>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe/">Subscribe to the show</a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/recordtheintro/">Record the intro to Your Parenting Mojo :)</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<b>Resource Links:</b>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sugarproof-Hidden-Dangers-Putting-Childs-ebook/dp/B086SD6XGH/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1641791155&amp;sr=8-1">Sugarproof: The Hidden Dangers of Sugar That Are Putting Your Child's Health at Risk and What You Can Do</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Avena, N.M., Rada, P., &amp; Hoebel, B. G. (2008). Evidence for sugar addiction: Behavior al and neurochemical effects of intermittent, excessive sugar intake. Neuroscience &amp; Behavioral Reviews 32(1), 20-39.

<hr />

Benton, D. (2010). The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders. Clinical Nutrition 29, 288-303.

<hr />

Courtwright, D.T. (2010). The NIDA brain disease paradigm: History, resistance and spinoffs. Biosocieties 5: 137–147.

<hr />

Lenoir, M., Serre, F., Cantin, L., &amp; Ahmed, S.H. (2007). Intense sweetness surpasses cocaine reward. PLoS One 8 (e698): 1-10.

<hr />

Throsby, K. (2019). Pure, White and deadly: Sugar addiction and the cultivation of urgency. Food, Culture &amp; Society 23(1), 11-29.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode continues our conversation on the topic of children and food.  A few months ago we heard from <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/eating/">Dr. Lindo Bacon about how the things we’ve learned about obesity might not actually be the whole story</a>.  Then we talked <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/dor/">with Ellyn Satter about the approach she devised called Division of Responsibility</a>, which holds the parent/caregiver responsible for the what, when, and where of eating and the child responsible for whether and how much.

&nbsp;

We followed that with a <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarproof/">conversation with Dr. Michael Goran, a world-renowned expert on the impact of sugar on our bodies, and specifically on children’s bodies</a> – and co-author of the book SugarProof.  While the research seems to indicate that consuming large amounts of sugar isn’t necessarily the best thing for us, when I dug into the original papers that form the backbone of SugarProof I found that the results didn’t always seem to be quite as large as the book indicated.

&nbsp;

In this episode we take another look at sugar – this time from the perspective of sociologist <a href="https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/sociology/staff/53/dr-karen-throsby">Dr. Karen Throsby</a>.  Dr. Thorsby received her BA in English Language and Literature from Lincoln College, Oxford, and a MSc in Gender and later a Ph.D from the London School of Economics.  She is currently  an Associate Professor in Gender Studies at the University of Leeds, and is writing a book entitled Sugar Rush: Science, Obesity, and the Social Life of Sugar.

&nbsp;

For the book, she is analyzing over 500 UK newspaper articles about sugar, as well as policy documents, scientific publications, popular science articles, self-help literature, and documentaries. She wants to understand what happens when we demonize sugar as ‘public enemy number one,’ and along with it the fat body. She doesn’t aim to determine the ‘truth’ about sugar or offer prescriptions about what people should eat, but instead think about how this debate relates to how scientific knowledge is produced, validated, and appropriated, panics about health and body size, the role of generation, gender, race, and class, and the lived inequalities associated with food.

&nbsp;

<b>Other episodes mentioned in this episode:</b>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sugarproof/">145: How to Sugarproof your kids with Dr. Michael Goran</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<b>Jump to highlights:</b>

02:10 Introducing Dr. Throsby

03:22 One of your big focuses is on the idea of sugar being addictive.  Can you tell us why you start there?  What does it mean to be addicted to something, and can we be addicted to sugar?

09:46 We have to be really careful with any attempt to define addiction because some people and certain groups of people are seen as more liable to be seduced by sugar than others

12:18 The neuroscientific model of addiction recognizes that addiction is more than a failure of will and morals but also factors in biological vulnerability which can affect some people more than others

15:10 The idea that you could stop consuming sugar if you wanted to is part of the problem in the way that sugar is being figured because it ignores the social context within which consumption occurs

21:18 The reason the book is called Sugar Rush is obviously it's a play on the idea of having a lot of sugar, but also about the rush to blame sugar

22:04 Sugar is often referred to as empty calories but actually, it's a category of food that is absolutely laden with meaning that I think is really important

&nbsp;

<b>Links:</b>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe/">Subscribe to the show</a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/recordtheintro/">Record the intro to Your Parenting Mojo :)</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<b>Resource Links:</b>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sugarproof-Hidden-Dangers-Putting-Childs-ebook/dp/B086SD6XGH/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1641791155&amp;sr=8-1">Sugarproof: The Hidden Dangers of Sugar That Are Putting Your Child's Health at Risk and What You Can Do</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Avena, N.M., Rada, P., &amp; Hoebel, B. G. (2008). Evidence for sugar addiction: Behavior al and neurochemical effects of intermittent, excessive sugar intake. Neuroscience &amp; Behavioral Reviews 32(1), 20-39.

<hr />

Benton, D. (2010). The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders. Clinical Nutrition 29, 288-303.

<hr />

Courtwright, D.T. (2010). The NIDA brain disease paradigm: History, resistance and spinoffs. Biosocieties 5: 137–147.

<hr />

Lenoir, M., Serre, F., Cantin, L., &amp; Ahmed, S.H. (2007). Intense sweetness surpasses cocaine reward. PLoS One 8 (e698): 1-10.

<hr />

Throsby, K. (2019). Pure, White and deadly: Sugar addiction and the cultivation of urgency. Food, Culture &amp; Society 23(1), 11-29.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/sugarrush]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a9b8d370-198a-49ab-80ad-5c866316ff9c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d47677fd-ac8f-4a6a-90f9-4443f3a3693b/147-sugar-rush-mixdown.mp3" length="92276661" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:04:10</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>147</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>147</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b7396570-37be-478b-b76c-a3c98431570b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: Why storytelling is so important for our children</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: Why storytelling is so important for our children</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[“Storytelling? I’m already reading books to my child – isn’t that enough?”

Your child DOES get a lot out of reading books (which is why we’ve done a several episodes on that already, including <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/readingbooks/">What children learn from reading books</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">How to read with your child</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">Did you already miss the boat on teaching your toddler how to read?</a>.

But it turns out that storytelling benefits our relationship with our child in ways that reading books really can’t, because you’re looking at the book rather than at your child. If you ask your child what kind of story they’d like you to tell, you also get incredible insight into both their interests and concerns – I can attest to this, as I’ve been singing story-songs about poop and various kinds of baby animals who can’t find their mamas on and off for several weeks now (we had an incident a few months back where she couldn’t find me in a store).

In this episode we also discuss the ways that people from different cultures tell stories, and what implications this has for them as they interact with our education system.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

02:35 Where to start in supporting your child's learning

07:20 Introduction of episode

08:00 History of storytelling

12:25 Approaches in censoring the stories of our children

14:36 What are the benefits of storytelling

25:25 Why we should tell stories

31:05 2 short stories Kendall Haven used in his book Story Proof

35:45 Ideas to convey

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00:01

If we want our children to have the best chance to live fulfilling lives, that can you keep up with all the books and scientific research on parenting, and fit the information into your own philosophy on how to raise kids. Welcome to Your Parenting Mojo, the podcast that does the work for you by investigating and examining respectful research-based parenting tools to help kids thrive. Now welcome your host, Jen Lumanlan.

Jen Lumanlan 00:38

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we get going with today’s topic on the subject of storytelling, I wanted to let you know about a little something I’ve been working on for a while now.  I think I’ve mentioned before that I was working on a Master’s in Education – well, I’ve finished that now and I’m actually not in school at the moment which is both amazingly freeing and rather strange.  I’ve mentioned before that after we made the decision to homeschool our daughter, whenever anyone asked me about homeschooling, they would always ask me the same questions, so I created a course to help families figure out whether homeschooling could be right for them – you can find more info on that at yourhomeschoolingmojo.com if you like.  But a lot of friends said “homeschooling sounds awesome, but I could never do it,” or “homeschooling sounds awesome but I don’t want to do it,” or just “we’re committed to public schools.”  When I asked them to tell me more about this they invariably expressed some kind of anxiety about this decision – kind of a “we’re committed to public schools but….” – they’re worried about class sizes and a lack of funding and the quality of the education their child will receive. And I thought to myself: “hmmm…what if there was a way to take everything I’ve learned during a master’s in psychology and another in Education and make it relevant to people who are committed to public school for whatever reason, but who recognize the limitations in the system and want their children to come out of public school among the 40% of 12<sup>th</sup>-graders who can read and do math at or above a proficient level, and not among the 60% who are at a basic or below-basic level.  Parents want to imbue their children with a love of learning, but research has shown that the toddlers who couldn’t stop asking questions basically stop being curious by about third grade.  Instead of asking why things happen or how things work, they learn that their job is to answer the teacher’s questions, rather than to ask their own.  And when I interviewed parents, I also found they didn’t know where to start in supporting their child’s learning – they’ve been reading to their child since birth, and they taught their child how to count, but they just have no idea what to do next.

Jen Lumanlan 02:34

So I took what I learned during those degrees, and I did a whole lot of research outside of them, and I talked with Principals and teachers and parents and I asked them what challenge they had had.  What challenges they had in teaching, and in parenting children in school, and in teachers and parents working together, and in catching small problems before they become really big problems, which I found actually doesn’t happen all that often – it was way more common than I’d thought for something to go unnoticed for quite a while and even once it was noticed, to take quite a while to fix.  It really wasn’t uncommon for a student to lose the better part of <em>a year</em> of learning waiting for testing for learning disabilities, or while being bullied, or simply because they had a personality mismatch with their teacher.  I took all of the research on those topics, and a number of others besides, and I made a course for you lovely people that will give you the tools and support you need to prepare yourself and your child for the transition to and first year or two of school.  It helps you to understand the different ways parents can participate in their child’s education in school and which are associated with better learning outcomes.  It digs into the neuroscience of learning, and especially of learning reading and math, so when your child stares at you blankly after you try to show them a new concept you understand what connection is missing in their brain. It looks at homework and whether children should be getting any of it, and gives you the data you need to work with administrators to establish homework policies that are actually grounded in research.  It shows you the critical components of a life-long love of learning, and shows you how to support the development of these through activities connected to school as well as those outside of school.  And best of all, it does all this in a way that doesn’t make you think “Holy cow, here are another 300 things I need to teach my kid; I can’t keep tabs on it all or do it all and it’s stressing me out just thinking about it,” but rather “If your child is having problems with X, here are some things you can try.”  It helps you to see what things you might be able to change in schools if you want to put the energy into it, and which ones are probably here for the long haul.  And we have an awesome group on Facebook that thinks through these issues together in a supportive way.

Jen Lumanlan 04:35

So what’s it like to be in this course?  Well, I’ll quote a couple of the people who have been through it: Kesha from Oklahoma, who is actually a Your Parenting Mojo listener, sent me an email after she finished the section on the neuroscience of learning and said <strong>“I LOVED this section on the neuroscience of learning, it made so much sense, provided so many pointers, and gives tools I can definitely use to find better ways to make new things we learn relevant to my son. I had a really hard time doing that before but I think using his interests, </strong><em><strong>then finding ways to tie different subjects to them</strong></em><strong>, and letting him lead me through how he’d like to demonstrate his learning are concrete, easy to apply tactics. This course is amazing!”</strong> And Kathryn in the U.K. said: “I had been worried about the transition to school but this course was both tremendously reassuring and inspiring. It both makes very clear the limitations of the school setting but empowered me to see what I can individually do to make the most of the experience. It also, refreshingly, makes clear that perfection is not the goal. Instead it provided me with the knowledge and ideas to find and make the most of opportunities to extend my daughter’s learning according to her own unique needs and interests.”

Jen Lumanlan 05:44

I’m looking for a few more people to test the course for me before I launch it out into the wider world and I wanted to give my listeners a first shot at doing that, and also to give you a special discount on it as well.  The first twenty people who go to JenLumanlan.com, that's L u m a n l a n, and click on supporting your child's learning in school chorus can use discount and use discount code BETA-60-OFF will get $60 off the $199 price, so the price is just $139.  Once again, that’s Jen Lumanlan - L u m a n l a n .com. Click on supporting your child's learning in school, enter the discount code BETA-60-OFF at checkout.  If you subscribe to the show via my website then you actually got the link and the discount code in your newsletter last week, so you can find it there, and if you’re hearing this for the first time on this episode then just click over to the page on my website for this episode at yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling and all the information is right there for you.  I’m looking forward to getting to know a lot more of you in the course!

Jen Lumanlan 06:52

On to our topic of the day: we’re working on a couple of different series of episodes at the moment – I like to mix them up a bit in case you’re not interested in a particular topic so at least you only get bored every other week rather than every week… We’re currently in the middle of two series of episodes – one on the importance of play, and the other on storytelling. This topic hadn’t even been on my radar until I did a paper on discourses...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“Storytelling? I’m already reading books to my child – isn’t that enough?”

Your child DOES get a lot out of reading books (which is why we’ve done a several episodes on that already, including <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/readingbooks/">What children learn from reading books</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">How to read with your child</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">Did you already miss the boat on teaching your toddler how to read?</a>.

But it turns out that storytelling benefits our relationship with our child in ways that reading books really can’t, because you’re looking at the book rather than at your child. If you ask your child what kind of story they’d like you to tell, you also get incredible insight into both their interests and concerns – I can attest to this, as I’ve been singing story-songs about poop and various kinds of baby animals who can’t find their mamas on and off for several weeks now (we had an incident a few months back where she couldn’t find me in a store).

In this episode we also discuss the ways that people from different cultures tell stories, and what implications this has for them as they interact with our education system.

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02:35 Where to start in supporting your child's learning

07:20 Introduction of episode

08:00 History of storytelling

12:25 Approaches in censoring the stories of our children

14:36 What are the benefits of storytelling

25:25 Why we should tell stories

31:05 2 short stories Kendall Haven used in his book Story Proof

35:45 Ideas to convey

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00:01

If we want our children to have the best chance to live fulfilling lives, that can you keep up with all the books and scientific research on parenting, and fit the information into your own philosophy on how to raise kids. Welcome to Your Parenting Mojo, the podcast that does the work for you by investigating and examining respectful research-based parenting tools to help kids thrive. Now welcome your host, Jen Lumanlan.

Jen Lumanlan 00:38

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we get going with today’s topic on the subject of storytelling, I wanted to let you know about a little something I’ve been working on for a while now.  I think I’ve mentioned before that I was working on a Master’s in Education – well, I’ve finished that now and I’m actually not in school at the moment which is both amazingly freeing and rather strange.  I’ve mentioned before that after we made the decision to homeschool our daughter, whenever anyone asked me about homeschooling, they would always ask me the same questions, so I created a course to help families figure out whether homeschooling could be right for them – you can find more info on that at yourhomeschoolingmojo.com if you like.  But a lot of friends said “homeschooling sounds awesome, but I could never do it,” or “homeschooling sounds awesome but I don’t want to do it,” or just “we’re committed to public schools.”  When I asked them to tell me more about this they invariably expressed some kind of anxiety about this decision – kind of a “we’re committed to public schools but….” – they’re worried about class sizes and a lack of funding and the quality of the education their child will receive. And I thought to myself: “hmmm…what if there was a way to take everything I’ve learned during a master’s in psychology and another in Education and make it relevant to people who are committed to public school for whatever reason, but who recognize the limitations in the system and want their children to come out of public school among the 40% of 12<sup>th</sup>-graders who can read and do math at or above a proficient level, and not among the 60% who are at a basic or below-basic level.  Parents want to imbue their children with a love of learning, but research has shown that the toddlers who couldn’t stop asking questions basically stop being curious by about third grade.  Instead of asking why things happen or how things work, they learn that their job is to answer the teacher’s questions, rather than to ask their own.  And when I interviewed parents, I also found they didn’t know where to start in supporting their child’s learning – they’ve been reading to their child since birth, and they taught their child how to count, but they just have no idea what to do next.

Jen Lumanlan 02:34

So I took what I learned during those degrees, and I did a whole lot of research outside of them, and I talked with Principals and teachers and parents and I asked them what challenge they had had.  What challenges they had in teaching, and in parenting children in school, and in teachers and parents working together, and in catching small problems before they become really big problems, which I found actually doesn’t happen all that often – it was way more common than I’d thought for something to go unnoticed for quite a while and even once it was noticed, to take quite a while to fix.  It really wasn’t uncommon for a student to lose the better part of <em>a year</em> of learning waiting for testing for learning disabilities, or while being bullied, or simply because they had a personality mismatch with their teacher.  I took all of the research on those topics, and a number of others besides, and I made a course for you lovely people that will give you the tools and support you need to prepare yourself and your child for the transition to and first year or two of school.  It helps you to understand the different ways parents can participate in their child’s education in school and which are associated with better learning outcomes.  It digs into the neuroscience of learning, and especially of learning reading and math, so when your child stares at you blankly after you try to show them a new concept you understand what connection is missing in their brain. It looks at homework and whether children should be getting any of it, and gives you the data you need to work with administrators to establish homework policies that are actually grounded in research.  It shows you the critical components of a life-long love of learning, and shows you how to support the development of these through activities connected to school as well as those outside of school.  And best of all, it does all this in a way that doesn’t make you think “Holy cow, here are another 300 things I need to teach my kid; I can’t keep tabs on it all or do it all and it’s stressing me out just thinking about it,” but rather “If your child is having problems with X, here are some things you can try.”  It helps you to see what things you might be able to change in schools if you want to put the energy into it, and which ones are probably here for the long haul.  And we have an awesome group on Facebook that thinks through these issues together in a supportive way.

Jen Lumanlan 04:35

So what’s it like to be in this course?  Well, I’ll quote a couple of the people who have been through it: Kesha from Oklahoma, who is actually a Your Parenting Mojo listener, sent me an email after she finished the section on the neuroscience of learning and said <strong>“I LOVED this section on the neuroscience of learning, it made so much sense, provided so many pointers, and gives tools I can definitely use to find better ways to make new things we learn relevant to my son. I had a really hard time doing that before but I think using his interests, </strong><em><strong>then finding ways to tie different subjects to them</strong></em><strong>, and letting him lead me through how he’d like to demonstrate his learning are concrete, easy to apply tactics. This course is amazing!”</strong> And Kathryn in the U.K. said: “I had been worried about the transition to school but this course was both tremendously reassuring and inspiring. It both makes very clear the limitations of the school setting but empowered me to see what I can individually do to make the most of the experience. It also, refreshingly, makes clear that perfection is not the goal. Instead it provided me with the knowledge and ideas to find and make the most of opportunities to extend my daughter’s learning according to her own unique needs and interests.”

Jen Lumanlan 05:44

I’m looking for a few more people to test the course for me before I launch it out into the wider world and I wanted to give my listeners a first shot at doing that, and also to give you a special discount on it as well.  The first twenty people who go to JenLumanlan.com, that's L u m a n l a n, and click on supporting your child's learning in school chorus can use discount and use discount code BETA-60-OFF will get $60 off the $199 price, so the price is just $139.  Once again, that’s Jen Lumanlan - L u m a n l a n .com. Click on supporting your child's learning in school, enter the discount code BETA-60-OFF at checkout.  If you subscribe to the show via my website then you actually got the link and the discount code in your newsletter last week, so you can find it there, and if you’re hearing this for the first time on this episode then just click over to the page on my website for this episode at yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling and all the information is right there for you.  I’m looking forward to getting to know a lot more of you in the course!

Jen Lumanlan 06:52

On to our topic of the day: we’re working on a couple of different series of episodes at the moment – I like to mix them up a bit in case you’re not interested in a particular topic so at least you only get bored every other week rather than every week… We’re currently in the middle of two series of episodes – one on the importance of play, and the other on storytelling. This topic hadn’t even been on my radar until I did a paper on discourses in education for my master’s in Education. Today we’re going to cover <em>why</em> we should tell stories, and in an upcoming episode, we’ll talk about <em>how</em> to learn and tell stories which we differentiate from reading stories because we do learn them and tell them rather than reading them.  If you’re anything like me, you might think that you’re not sure you really need this episode.  It wasn’t until I started researching it that I learned about the powerful impact that storytelling can have on our children’s lives, and even on their academic outcomes, and why I wanted to share this with you. I also want to give you a heads-up episode has some content that you might not want children to hear.  No swearing; just some concepts that are more suitable for adult ears only.

Jen Lumanlan 07:55

Let’s start with the story of stories – how did stories orginate?  Researchers think that at one time everyone was a storyteller, but as human society became more complex, people started to specialize in one form or another of the arts – like drama, dance, or music.  People who had a good sense of timing, a good command of language, and a memory to hold it all together became a community’s storytellers.  One theory holds that the stories became so exaggerated that they had to be told in the third person for the teller to retain some sense of modesty, which gave rise to the hero tale.  Storytellers weren’t just entertainers – they were geneologists, historians, and keepers of culture. The first written record of an activity that appears to be storytelling comes from what is known as the Westcar Papyrus, recorded between 2,000 and 1,200 BC, in which three sons entertain their father, who had built the pyramids, with strange stories.  Stories wended their way through history – the first known heroic epic, (Gilgamesh), Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, through the traveling master storytellers of Ireland and Wales who knew would each have known 350 stories during the period of the Roman Empire, to the height of storytelling in Western Europe when professional organizations of storytellers would hold storytelling competitions in the Middle Ages.  After the printing press was invented in 1450, storytelling in Western cultures started on a down-slide from which it really hasn’t recovered.  The written word is now the primary way Western people communicate with each other, and oral traditions (as well as the people whose cultures rely on them) are really looked down upon.

Jen Lumanlan 09:27

The one use we seem to still have for stories is telling them to children – librarians told stories to children to integrate immigrants into the U.S. in the early twentieth century and to inculcate the new residents with their new country’s values, and a history of storytelling in this period is basically a series of life histories of notable children’s librarians.  What was once a way that culture was transmitted to all people had become a way to, in the words of Russian author Kornei Chukovsky: “foster in the child, at whatever cost, compassion and humaneness – this miraculous ability of man to be disturbed by another being’s misfortunes, to feel joy about another being’s happiness, to experience another’s fate as one’s own.”  Sharing a story is a very different experience than reading it by oneself, and in general all people, even adults, enjoy these experiences – which is why we go to the theater and attend concerts, but Westerners have mostly gotten out of the habit of getting together to share stories.  Sharing a story may make the story more enjoyable and also enhance the relationship because the story is an object of shared attention.

Jen Lumanlan 10:28

And what kinds of stories do we share?  Parents sometimes wonder at the unsavory ideas expressed in folk tales – including one-dimensional good and evil characters and stereotypical depictions of women and people of color, as well as violence.  Psychologists believe, though that the confines of the story – the “once upon a time” at the beginning and the “The end” at the end help children to know that what is happening in the story is not real, and that children can safely experience ideas and emotions through stories that they couldn’t do in real life.  Folk tales actually weren’t originally intended for children; even the Brothers Grimm’s original edition of fairy tales published in 1812 was intended for adults.  Almost immediately people started to read them to children, so the Grimms edited the stories for children by censoring out some of the violence and sexuality.  For example, in the 1812 version of the story The Frog Prince, the frog just wants to get into bed with the princess – the story is openly sexual.  Psychoanalysts subsequently imposed their own ideas about why children find these stories appealing: because they give children permission to express “complex, unconscious, infantile fantasies about sexual wishes, anger, guilt, and fear of punishment within the family.  It is unacceptable to consciousness for these to be explicit so they are expressed symbolically.”  The frog in the story represents the princess’s revulsion toward the male member, which she must overcome before she gets married. Some authors note that the Grimms thought that sex was unsuitable in stories for children but violence was perfectly acceptable, although some changes have to be made – it wouldn’t be appropriate for a mother to starve her children to death in the forest so the mother became an evil stepmother in Hansel and Gretel.

Jen Lumanlan 12:06

Now I have to admit that I got to this point in researching this episode and I thought to myself “what the heck are we teaching our children in these fairy tales?”  That’s when I reached out to Dr. Deena Weisberg of the University of Pennsylvania; you heard my interview with her a few weeks ago.  I was surprised to learn that, in general, she’s not a huge fan of censoring the stories we read to our children, although I do think there are a few approaches you could take with this.  One would be to read the stories anyway – some researchers believe that hearing a scary story from a trusted adult leads to intense feelings of anxiety and excitement, with a happy ending enabling relief and a return to safety.  This can allow traumatic experiences to be portrayed and intense emotions to be experienced safely.  I would think, though, that the suitability of this approach very much depends on the child – my own almost four-year-old cries when one friend might not see another friend again in a story, so I don’t think we’ll read original fairy tales anytime soon – but some children *enjoy* being scared and might get a lot out of this experience even at a young age. Another approach would be to share the Disney-type versions of the stories which are fairly effectively sanitized for the worst of the sex and violence, as long as you don’t think too deeply about how the parts of the story that are edited out – things like how Sleeping Beauty gets pregnant (she was raped by a married man) or that Quasimodo’s master has Esmeralda hanged in the Hunchback of Notre Dame, or that the sea witch cuts out the Little Mermaid’s tongue in the original version of the story.  You could read original versions of stories but change the worst-offending ideas on the fly as you go, although to my introverted, slow-thinking brain this would be more stressful than anything.

Jen Lumanlan 13:41

The other thing you can do is just pick different stories.  There are *so many* stories out there that you can choose one with messaging that you support and that your child will enjoy.  There’s plenty of time down the line for your child to get to the gory stuff, when they decide they’re ready for it.  This actually fits with the way that stories were used in previous generations, which is as one more tool in our toolbelt of ways we can support our personal development, and this means we can select a story for a particular purpose in a particular context.  These stories can take a couple of different forms – firstly, we might choose to learn a particular story in which we find a lot of meaning that is important to us.  The other thing we can do is to tell what is called family stories, which are the stories of our own families, and I should acknowledge here that I’m indebted once again to Dr. Laura Froyen for introducing me to this term because I hadn’t previously heard of it.  We’ll talk about family storytelling in our next episode in this series. So what are the benefits of storytelling, given that it currently is not prioritized in our culture?  Storytelling isn’t as common among Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic (or WEIRD) families as it is in families from some other cultures, and I believe that this is because people in WEIRD cultures have chosen to prioritize the ability to read above the ability to share stories.  Because schools happen to also prioritize the ability to read, likely because the systems in schools were set up by and primarily for the benefit of the dominant culture in WEIRD societies, which are White children, White families’ preparation of their children thus dovetails nicely with the skills their children will need once they get to school.

Jen Lumanlan 15:16

Families from other cultures value different kinds of information sharing, and I want to tell you about an incredibly powerful lesson I learned during my Master’s of Education.  I had the opportunity to choose one of five theorists who work on the topic of discourses, and in this context a discourse is the vocabulary and symbols that are used when thinking about and understanding a specific topic.  It’s like a “kit” of ideas that surround a concept and the way we think about it, and we can show ourselves as members of a group or as people who are outside a group using the way we describe that group. I actually had the option to pick a theorist who is working in the...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/storytellingrerelease]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">663db014-5a50-43f6-8396-46a9c706d63d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/51082322-2c4b-4a33-8ca0-7af0f7f778f4/storytelling-1final.mp3" length="37043641" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: How to read with your child with Dr. Laura Froyen</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: How to read with your child with Dr. Laura Froyen</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Way, waaay back in <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 3</a>, we wondered whether we had missed the boat on teaching our babies to read (didn’t you teach <em>your</em> baby how to read?). We eventually decided that we hadn’t, but given that many parents have a goal of instilling a love of reading into their children, what’s the best way to go about doing that? And what if your child is the kind who wriggles out of your lap at the mere <em>sight</em> of a book?

Our second-ever repeat guest, Dr. Laura Froyen, helps us to delve into the research on this topic. We conclude by talking through some of the things parents can do to promote a love of reading, because it turns out it’s not as intuitive as one might think!

Dr. Froyen's <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/13j9HGMuh4YwnOHfagYUeOKWc5tJrxsEq/view?usp=sharing"> 11 Ways to Support Your Child in Learning to Read</a> PDF guide.

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Bus, A.G. (2001). Joint caregiver-child storybook reading: A route to literacy development. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research</em>. New York: Guilford.

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Bus, A.G., van IJzendoorn, M.H., &amp; Pellegrini, A.D. (1995). Joint book reading makes for success in learning to read: A meta-analysis on intergenerational transmission of literacy. Review of Educational Research 65(1), 1-21. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marinus_Van_IJzendoorn/publication/230853169_Joint_Book_Reading_Makes_for_Success_in_Learning_to_Read_A_Meta-Analysis_on_Intergenerational_Transmission_of_Literacy/links/53f05d6f0cf26b9b7dcdfe58.pdf

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Burchinal, M., &amp; Forestieri, N. (2011). Development of early literacy: Evidence from major U.S. longitudinal studies. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (85-96). New York: Guilford.

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Bus, A.G. (2003). Social-emotional requisites for learning to read. In A. van Kleeck, S.A. Stahl, &amp; E.B. Bauer (Eds.), On reading books to children: Parents and teachers (3-15). New York: Guilford.

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Butterworth, G. (2001). Joint visual attention in infancy. In G. Bremner &amp; A. Fogel (Eds.). <em>Blackwell handbook of infant development. </em>(213-240). Malden, MA: Blackwell.

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Carlsson-Paige, N., G. Bywater McLaughlin, and J. Wolfsheimer Almon (2015). Reading instruction in kindergarten: Little to gain and much to lose. Available online at: <a href="http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf</a>

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Evans, M.A., &amp; Saint-Aubin, J. (2011). Studying and modifying young children’s visual attention during book reading. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (242-255). New York: Guilford.

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Fletcher, K.L., &amp; Reese, E. (2005). Picture book reading with young children: A conceptual framework. Developmental Review 25, 64-103. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kathryn_Fletcher2/publication/223236320_Picture_book_reading_with_young_children_A_conceptual_framework/links/0912f503ce1f9d05ec000000.pdf

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Landry, S.H., Smith, K.E., Swank, P.R., Zucker, T., Crawford, A.D., &amp; Solari, E.F. (2011). The effects of a responsive parenting intervention on parent-child interactions during shared book reading. Developmental Psychology 48(4), 969-986. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf</a>

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McBride-Chang, C. (2012). Shared-book reading: There is no downside for parents. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.51-58). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

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Morow, L.M. (1993). Literacy development in the early years: Helping children read and write (2<sup>nd</sup> ed.). Boston: Allyn &amp; Bacon.

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Notari-Syverson, A., (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(61-78). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

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Otto, B. (2008). Literacy development in early childhood: Reflective teaching for birth to age eight. Long Grove, IL: Waveland.

<hr />

Phillips, L.M., Norris, S.P., &amp; Anderson, J. (2008). Unlocking the door: Is parents’ reading to children the key to early literacy development? Canadian Psychology 49(2), 82-88.

<hr />

Reese, E. (2012). The tyranny of shared book-reading. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.59-68). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

<hr />

Rosenkotter, S.E., &amp; Wanless, S.B. (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(81-100). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

<hr />

Scarborough, H.S. (2001). Connecting early language and literacy to later reading (dis)abilities: Evidence, theory, and practice. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (97-110). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Schickedanz, J.A. (1999). Much more than the ABCs: The early stages of reading and writing. Washington, D.C.: National Association for the Education of Young Children.

<hr />

Senechal, M. (2011). A model of the concurrent and longitudinal relations between home literacy and child outcomes. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (175-188). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Whitehurst, G.J., &amp; Lonigan, C.J. (1998). Child development and emergent literacy. <em>Child Development 69</em>(3), 848-872.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Way, waaay back in <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 3</a>, we wondered whether we had missed the boat on teaching our babies to read (didn’t you teach <em>your</em> baby how to read?). We eventually decided that we hadn’t, but given that many parents have a goal of instilling a love of reading into their children, what’s the best way to go about doing that? And what if your child is the kind who wriggles out of your lap at the mere <em>sight</em> of a book?

Our second-ever repeat guest, Dr. Laura Froyen, helps us to delve into the research on this topic. We conclude by talking through some of the things parents can do to promote a love of reading, because it turns out it’s not as intuitive as one might think!

Dr. Froyen's <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/13j9HGMuh4YwnOHfagYUeOKWc5tJrxsEq/view?usp=sharing"> 11 Ways to Support Your Child in Learning to Read</a> PDF guide.

<strong>References</strong>

Bus, A.G. (2001). Joint caregiver-child storybook reading: A route to literacy development. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research</em>. New York: Guilford.

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Bus, A.G., van IJzendoorn, M.H., &amp; Pellegrini, A.D. (1995). Joint book reading makes for success in learning to read: A meta-analysis on intergenerational transmission of literacy. Review of Educational Research 65(1), 1-21. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marinus_Van_IJzendoorn/publication/230853169_Joint_Book_Reading_Makes_for_Success_in_Learning_to_Read_A_Meta-Analysis_on_Intergenerational_Transmission_of_Literacy/links/53f05d6f0cf26b9b7dcdfe58.pdf

<hr />

Burchinal, M., &amp; Forestieri, N. (2011). Development of early literacy: Evidence from major U.S. longitudinal studies. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (85-96). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Bus, A.G. (2003). Social-emotional requisites for learning to read. In A. van Kleeck, S.A. Stahl, &amp; E.B. Bauer (Eds.), On reading books to children: Parents and teachers (3-15). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Butterworth, G. (2001). Joint visual attention in infancy. In G. Bremner &amp; A. Fogel (Eds.). <em>Blackwell handbook of infant development. </em>(213-240). Malden, MA: Blackwell.

<hr />

Carlsson-Paige, N., G. Bywater McLaughlin, and J. Wolfsheimer Almon (2015). Reading instruction in kindergarten: Little to gain and much to lose. Available online at: <a href="http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf</a>

<hr />

Evans, M.A., &amp; Saint-Aubin, J. (2011). Studying and modifying young children’s visual attention during book reading. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (242-255). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Fletcher, K.L., &amp; Reese, E. (2005). Picture book reading with young children: A conceptual framework. Developmental Review 25, 64-103. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kathryn_Fletcher2/publication/223236320_Picture_book_reading_with_young_children_A_conceptual_framework/links/0912f503ce1f9d05ec000000.pdf

<hr />

Landry, S.H., Smith, K.E., Swank, P.R., Zucker, T., Crawford, A.D., &amp; Solari, E.F. (2011). The effects of a responsive parenting intervention on parent-child interactions during shared book reading. Developmental Psychology 48(4), 969-986. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf</a>

<hr />

McBride-Chang, C. (2012). Shared-book reading: There is no downside for parents. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.51-58). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

<hr />

Morow, L.M. (1993). Literacy development in the early years: Helping children read and write (2<sup>nd</sup> ed.). Boston: Allyn &amp; Bacon.

<hr />

Notari-Syverson, A., (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(61-78). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

<hr />

Otto, B. (2008). Literacy development in early childhood: Reflective teaching for birth to age eight. Long Grove, IL: Waveland.

<hr />

Phillips, L.M., Norris, S.P., &amp; Anderson, J. (2008). Unlocking the door: Is parents’ reading to children the key to early literacy development? Canadian Psychology 49(2), 82-88.

<hr />

Reese, E. (2012). The tyranny of shared book-reading. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.59-68). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

<hr />

Rosenkotter, S.E., &amp; Wanless, S.B. (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(81-100). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

<hr />

Scarborough, H.S. (2001). Connecting early language and literacy to later reading (dis)abilities: Evidence, theory, and practice. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (97-110). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Schickedanz, J.A. (1999). Much more than the ABCs: The early stages of reading and writing. Washington, D.C.: National Association for the Education of Young Children.

<hr />

Senechal, M. (2011). A model of the concurrent and longitudinal relations between home literacy and child outcomes. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (175-188). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Whitehurst, G.J., &amp; Lonigan, C.J. (1998). Child development and emergent literacy. <em>Child Development 69</em>(3), 848-872.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/readingrerelease]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c1d50777-288d-42f5-b1e7-eaf31f93f89c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1116a268-43c1-40ed-8077-7de7b9c97188/reading.mp3" length="53332602" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b6951963-bada-4720-9bbb-a181dcc104df/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: Parenting beyond pink and blue with Dr. Christia Brown</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: Parenting beyond pink and blue with Dr. Christia Brown</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span data-contrast="none">Today I join forces with Malaika Dower of the </span><a href="http://www.htgawp.com/"><span data-contrast="none">How to Get Away with Parenting</span></a><span data-contrast="none"> podcast to interview Dr. Christia Brown, who is a Professor of Developmental and Social Psychology at the University of Kentucky, where she studies the development of gender identity and children’s experience of gender discrimination.</span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<span data-contrast="none">Dr. Brown’s book, </span><a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN"><span data-contrast="none">Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue</span></a><span data-contrast="none"> (Affiliate link), helps parents to really understand the scientific research around gender differences in children, which is a harder task than with some other topics because there’s just a lot of </span><i><span data-contrast="none">bad research</span></i><span data-contrast="none"> out there on this one.  I ask about theories of gender development while Malaika keeps us grounded with questions about how this stuff works in the real world, and we both resolve to shift our behavior toward our daughters just a little bit.</span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<b><span data-contrast="none">Related Episodes</span></b><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialgroups/"><span data-contrast="none">Interview with Yarrow Dunham on how social groups form</span></a><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/lying/"><span data-contrast="none">Interview with Kang Lee on children’s lying (yep – your kid does it too!)</span></a><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<span data-contrast="none"> </span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<b><span data-contrast="none">References</span></b><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<span data-contrast="none">Brown, C.S. (2014). </span><a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN"><span data-contrast="none">Parenting beyond pink and blue</span></a><span data-contrast="none">. Berkeley, CA: Ten Speed Press. (Affiliate link)</span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<hr />

<span data-contrast="none">Taylor, M.G., Rhodes, M., &amp; Gelman, S.A. (2009). Boys will be boys and cows will be cows: Children’s essentialist reasoning about gender categories and animal species. Child Development 80(2), 461-481. DOI: </span><a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1467-8624.2009.01272.x"><span data-contrast="none">10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01272.x</span></a><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span data-contrast="none">Today I join forces with Malaika Dower of the </span><a href="http://www.htgawp.com/"><span data-contrast="none">How to Get Away with Parenting</span></a><span data-contrast="none"> podcast to interview Dr. Christia Brown, who is a Professor of Developmental and Social Psychology at the University of Kentucky, where she studies the development of gender identity and children’s experience of gender discrimination.</span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<span data-contrast="none">Dr. Brown’s book, </span><a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN"><span data-contrast="none">Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue</span></a><span data-contrast="none"> (Affiliate link), helps parents to really understand the scientific research around gender differences in children, which is a harder task than with some other topics because there’s just a lot of </span><i><span data-contrast="none">bad research</span></i><span data-contrast="none"> out there on this one.  I ask about theories of gender development while Malaika keeps us grounded with questions about how this stuff works in the real world, and we both resolve to shift our behavior toward our daughters just a little bit.</span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<b><span data-contrast="none">Related Episodes</span></b><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialgroups/"><span data-contrast="none">Interview with Yarrow Dunham on how social groups form</span></a><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/lying/"><span data-contrast="none">Interview with Kang Lee on children’s lying (yep – your kid does it too!)</span></a><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<span data-contrast="none"> </span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<b><span data-contrast="none">References</span></b><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<span data-contrast="none">Brown, C.S. (2014). </span><a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN"><span data-contrast="none">Parenting beyond pink and blue</span></a><span data-contrast="none">. Berkeley, CA: Ten Speed Press. (Affiliate link)</span><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>

<hr />

<span data-contrast="none">Taylor, M.G., Rhodes, M., &amp; Gelman, S.A. (2009). Boys will be boys and cows will be cows: Children’s essentialist reasoning about gender categories and animal species. Child Development 80(2), 461-481. DOI: </span><a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1467-8624.2009.01272.x"><span data-contrast="none">10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01272.x</span></a><span data-ccp-props="{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}"> </span>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/pinkrerelease]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8ddaa6d3-fa48-4d39-af27-0fdaff8c7c92</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d45e7a15-ec07-42d5-8d65-e1141d5441a3/parenting-beyond-pink-and-blue.mp3" length="50673354" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/e88e4142-0c3a-4a21-bab6-3c57f040c573/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: Why isn’t my child grateful with Dr. Jonathan Tudge</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: Why isn’t my child grateful with Dr. Jonathan Tudge</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[“I spent the whole morning painting and doing origami and felting projects with my daughter – and not only did she not say “thank you,” but she refused to help clean up!” (I actually said this myself this morning:-))

“We took our son to Disneyland and went on every ride he wanted to go on except one, which was closed, and he spent the rest of the trip whining about how the whole trip was ruined because he didn’t get to go on that one ride.” (I hope I never have to say this one…I’m not sure I could make it through Disneyland in one piece.)

&nbsp;

You might recall that we did an episode a while back on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners/">manners</a>, and what the research says about teaching manners, and how what the research says about teaching manners comes from the assumption that manners MUST be explicitly taught – that your child will NOT learn to say “thank you” unless you tell your child “say thank you” every time someone gives them a gift.

We also talked about how parent educator Robin Einzig uses the concept of “<a href="https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/">modeling graciousness</a>” and that if you treat other people graciously, when your child is ready, she will be gracious as well.  The problem here, of course, is that most people expect your child to display some kind of manners before they are developmentally ready to really understand the concept behind it.

But what really underlies manners?  Well, ideas like gratitude.  Because when we train children to say “thank you” before they are ready to do it themselves they might learn to recite the words at the appropriate time, but they aren’t <em>really experiencing gratitude</em>.

<a href="http://cds.web.unc.edu/mentors/tudge-jonathan/">Dr. Jonathan Tudge</a> of the University of North Carolina at Greensboro tells us much more about this, and how we can scaffold our child’s ability to experience gratitude, if we decide we might want to do that.

Dr. Tudge’s book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Developing-Gratitude-Children-Adolescents-Jonathan/dp/1107182727">Developing Gratitude in Children and Adolescents</a> (co-edited with Dr. Lia B. L. Freitas) contains lots more academic research on this topic if you’re interested.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Halberstadt, A.G., Langley, H.A., Hussong, A.M., Rothenberg, W.A., Coffman, J.L., Mokrova, I., &amp; Costanzo, P.R. (2016). Parents’ understanding of gratitude in children: A thematic analysis. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 36, 439-451.

<hr />

Kiang, l. Mendonca S., Liang, Y., Payir, A., O’Brien, L.T., Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (2016). If children won lotteries: Materialism, gratitude, and imaginary windfall spending. Young Consumers 17(4), 408-418.

<hr />

Mendonca, S.E., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Payir, A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of gratitude in seven societies: Cross-cultural highlights. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 135-150.

<hr />

Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Poelker, A.E., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of the virtue of gratitude: Theoretical foundations and cross-cultural issues. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 3-18.

<hr />

Mokrova, I.L., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). Wishes, gratitude, and spending preferences in Russian Children. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 102-116.

<hr />

Nelson, J.A., Freitas, L.B.L., O’Brien, M., Calkins, S.D., Leerkes, E.M., &amp; Marcovich, S. (2013). Preschool-aged children’s understanding of gratitude: Relations with emotion and mental state knowledge. British Journal of Developmental Psychology 31, 42056.

<hr />

Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (Eds.) (2018). Developing gratitude in children and adolescents. Cambridge, U.K: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Wang, D., Wang, Y.C., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2015). Expressions of gratitude in children and adolescents: Insights from China and the United States. Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 46(8), 1039-1058.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“I spent the whole morning painting and doing origami and felting projects with my daughter – and not only did she not say “thank you,” but she refused to help clean up!” (I actually said this myself this morning:-))

“We took our son to Disneyland and went on every ride he wanted to go on except one, which was closed, and he spent the rest of the trip whining about how the whole trip was ruined because he didn’t get to go on that one ride.” (I hope I never have to say this one…I’m not sure I could make it through Disneyland in one piece.)

&nbsp;

You might recall that we did an episode a while back on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners/">manners</a>, and what the research says about teaching manners, and how what the research says about teaching manners comes from the assumption that manners MUST be explicitly taught – that your child will NOT learn to say “thank you” unless you tell your child “say thank you” every time someone gives them a gift.

We also talked about how parent educator Robin Einzig uses the concept of “<a href="https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/">modeling graciousness</a>” and that if you treat other people graciously, when your child is ready, she will be gracious as well.  The problem here, of course, is that most people expect your child to display some kind of manners before they are developmentally ready to really understand the concept behind it.

But what really underlies manners?  Well, ideas like gratitude.  Because when we train children to say “thank you” before they are ready to do it themselves they might learn to recite the words at the appropriate time, but they aren’t <em>really experiencing gratitude</em>.

<a href="http://cds.web.unc.edu/mentors/tudge-jonathan/">Dr. Jonathan Tudge</a> of the University of North Carolina at Greensboro tells us much more about this, and how we can scaffold our child’s ability to experience gratitude, if we decide we might want to do that.

Dr. Tudge’s book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Developing-Gratitude-Children-Adolescents-Jonathan/dp/1107182727">Developing Gratitude in Children and Adolescents</a> (co-edited with Dr. Lia B. L. Freitas) contains lots more academic research on this topic if you’re interested.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Halberstadt, A.G., Langley, H.A., Hussong, A.M., Rothenberg, W.A., Coffman, J.L., Mokrova, I., &amp; Costanzo, P.R. (2016). Parents’ understanding of gratitude in children: A thematic analysis. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 36, 439-451.

<hr />

Kiang, l. Mendonca S., Liang, Y., Payir, A., O’Brien, L.T., Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (2016). If children won lotteries: Materialism, gratitude, and imaginary windfall spending. Young Consumers 17(4), 408-418.

<hr />

Mendonca, S.E., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Payir, A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of gratitude in seven societies: Cross-cultural highlights. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 135-150.

<hr />

Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Poelker, A.E., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of the virtue of gratitude: Theoretical foundations and cross-cultural issues. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 3-18.

<hr />

Mokrova, I.L., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). Wishes, gratitude, and spending preferences in Russian Children. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 102-116.

<hr />

Nelson, J.A., Freitas, L.B.L., O’Brien, M., Calkins, S.D., Leerkes, E.M., &amp; Marcovich, S. (2013). Preschool-aged children’s understanding of gratitude: Relations with emotion and mental state knowledge. British Journal of Developmental Psychology 31, 42056.

<hr />

Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (Eds.) (2018). Developing gratitude in children and adolescents. Cambridge, U.K: Cambridge University Press.

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Wang, D., Wang, Y.C., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2015). Expressions of gratitude in children and adolescents: Insights from China and the United States. Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 46(8), 1039-1058.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/gratituderereleased]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2f28cb26-0339-4f90-ba09-2874dad5d335</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/68eec7db-3efb-478d-8018-75e16e876ebe/gratitudeedited.mp3" length="44158560" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/bf2731de-1f98-41ff-b9ab-d9ade4b73ec3/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>RE-RELEASE: Becoming Brilliant – Interview with Prof. Roberta Golinkoff</title><itunes:title>RE-RELEASE: Becoming Brilliant – Interview with Prof. Roberta Golinkoff</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In just a few years, today’s children and teens will forge careers that look nothing like those that were available to their parents or grandparents. While the U.S. economy becomes ever more information-driven, our system of education seems stuck on the idea that “content is king,” neglecting other skills that 21st century citizens sorely need.

Backed by the latest scientific evidence and illustrated with examples of what’s being done right in schools today, <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fia4kL"><strong>Becoming Brilliant</strong></a> (Affiliate link) introduces the “6Cs” <strong>collaboration, communication, content, critical thinking, creative innovation</strong>, and <strong>confidence</strong> along with ways parents can nurture their children’s development in each area.

Join me for an engaging chat with award-winning Professor Roberta Golinkoff about the key takeaways from the book.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Duckworth, A. (2016). Grit Scale. Available at: <a href="http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-scale/">http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-scale/</a>  (Duckworth also wrote a book, although I haven’t read it…yet…: <a href="http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-book/">http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-book/</a>)

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Dweck, C. (2006). Mindset: The new psychology of success. New York, NY: Random House.

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Golinkoff, R.M., &amp; Hirsch-Pasek, K. (2016). Becoming Brilliant: What science tells us about raising successful children.  Washington, D.C.: American Psychological Association.

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Kohn, A. (1999). Punished By Rewards. Boston: Houghton Mifflin.

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In just a few years, today’s children and teens will forge careers that look nothing like those that were available to their parents or grandparents. While the U.S. economy becomes ever more information-driven, our system of education seems stuck on the idea that “content is king,” neglecting other skills that 21st century citizens sorely need.

Backed by the latest scientific evidence and illustrated with examples of what’s being done right in schools today, <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fia4kL"><strong>Becoming Brilliant</strong></a> (Affiliate link) introduces the “6Cs” <strong>collaboration, communication, content, critical thinking, creative innovation</strong>, and <strong>confidence</strong> along with ways parents can nurture their children’s development in each area.

Join me for an engaging chat with award-winning Professor Roberta Golinkoff about the key takeaways from the book.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Duckworth, A. (2016). Grit Scale. Available at: <a href="http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-scale/">http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-scale/</a>  (Duckworth also wrote a book, although I haven’t read it…yet…: <a href="http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-book/">http://angeladuckworth.com/grit-book/</a>)

<hr />

Dweck, C. (2006). Mindset: The new psychology of success. New York, NY: Random House.

<hr />

Golinkoff, R.M., &amp; Hirsch-Pasek, K. (2016). Becoming Brilliant: What science tells us about raising successful children.  Washington, D.C.: American Psychological Association.

<hr />

Kohn, A. (1999). Punished By Rewards. Boston: Houghton Mifflin.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/robertagolinkoff]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c2cc80b8-b4f0-49a4-8a36-8a3e2729ad8b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fe5634d6-6c25-494e-947e-75dab3c07a02/ypm-becoming-brilliant-edited-revised.mp3" length="30946839" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a5fe2b2b-03bb-46c4-bff9-581f2a75dae5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>[Looking back and looking ahead]</title><itunes:title>[Looking back and looking ahead]</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this short episode I reflect on where we’ve been over the past year, my plans to slow down a bit at the end of the year (as well as a super exciting project I’m working on!), and what episodes we have lined up for the new year.

&nbsp;

In this episode I also mention something I haven’t done for a while, which is that it’s possible to donate to support the show.  You might know that it takes 20-40 hours to do the research for each episode (although my record is about 80 hours for the show on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfreg/">Self-Reg</a>, because the research was in such a mess and I had to check what I was reading with several developmental psychologists who tempered the claims of the person who created the concept of Self-Reg!).

&nbsp;

A core group of listeners (shout out to: Jacqueline B., Rebekah S., Elizabeth M., Kelsey B., Jessica S., Crystian M., Megan P., Alison O., and Cristin B.) have helped to sustain the show over the last months and years.

&nbsp;

If the show has helped you, would you consider making a donation to support it?

&nbsp;

You can now do this from any episode page.  If a particular episode has given you an insight or a tool that resonated with you and/or your child, I’d be really grateful if you would make a one-time donation to acknowledge that, or consider a recurring donation to help me keep making more episodes for you.  I know there’s always the temptation to say that “eh; I don’t have time right now and it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference and someone else will do it anyway.”  And maybe they will, but as we all know, if everyone thinks like that then the work doesn’t get supported….

&nbsp;

I mention in the episode that I’m writing a book!  And the e-book will be available for a sliding scale price on this website, to help everyone who wants to read it be able to read it, no matter what their financial constraints.  I also now make every course and membership I offer over a $100 threshold available with sliding scale pricing, and invite folks who can’t afford even the minimum price to get in touch to figure out a price that works for both of us.  I’m doing everything I can to live my values to make my work available to as many people as possible.  If this resonates with you, I’d be grateful if you would consider donating to support me in continuing to do this work.  You can now donate from any episode page (including this week’s episode!).  Just look for the Support Jen’s Work button on the right side.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a free guide called 13 reasons why your child won't listen to you and what to do about each one, just head over to yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:56

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I just have a short episode lined up for you today with a few updates about the podcast and the Your Parenting Mojo world more broadly, we're coming to the end of what has been a pretty amazing year. I finally feel as though we have a really complete set of memberships and courses to help parents at all stages of their parenting journey. I run the Right From The Start course with Hannah and Kelty of upbringing to help expecting parents and those with a child under a year old to get it right from the start. And of course, we mean figuring out what's right for you and your family. We've had so many people sign up because they found that it's the only course for parents of very young children that doesn't focus entirely on the baby and instead looks at both babies and the parents needs and how to meet both of those as you negotiate your new relationship. That course has actually opened registration right now for a couple more days until midnight Pacific on November 3rd. Later on, the parenting membership helps parents who are struggling with their child's behavior to understand what's going on when their child is resisting them and what to do about it. Not just by changing their child's behavior, but by meeting their child's needs and also meeting their needs. Then we cover every other topic that parents want to know about from raising healthy eaters to screentime to supporting anxious children. If the parents are finding they're having a hard time with their own reactions to their child's behavior, the parents exploding or mentally shutting down, or doing anything they can to placate the child and get them to stop crying or screaming or hitting, then the taming your triggers workshop allows them to see where those feelings are coming from and gives them concrete tools to navigate them more effectively. And then once things are on a more solid footing the Supporting Your Child's Learning Membership helps parents to support their child's intrinsic love of learning. So the child can retain their motivation for learning and gain new skills on how to learn which they will carry for the rest of their lives. Of course, all of that is grounded by the podcast where I interview the who's who of academic researchers in parenting and child development to use scientific research to help us understand how to guide our children's development and learning based on principles of respectful parenting. Increasingly, over the last couple of years, I've also begun to look beyond the scientific research, not to just question the methodology of an individual study, but to look at the context that a body of work sits within, and understand how the studies fit with what we believe about capitalism and patriarchy, and racism that some people hear about on the show and then give me a one-star review on iTunes because they don't appreciate discussions of these topics alongside information on parenting. This year, I particularly enjoyed the episodes we covered on the topic of sex, both talking with children about it, and also teaching them about respect-based pleasurable relationships, through the ways that we interact with them. We also looked at how to use tools like Mindfulness and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy to live in a way that's more aligned with our values. We started a series of episodes on food and I have more to come on that topic. And we did a series on How Children Learn. Early in the year, there was an episode on whether you should hold your child back a year when entering school, which is called Redshirting in the US. Then later, we looked at How Children Learn with their Bodies as well as their Brains and How to Support Gifted Children. The thing that keeps me going in all of this work is hearing from parents who are in the courses and memberships and who listen to the podcast who tell me what an impact these have had on them and their families. I was talking with my husband about it recently, he does a lot of the editing of the testimonial videos that go on the information pages for the courses and memberships. So he gets to watch the multiple times and look for the rich stories that members are telling that illustrate these transformations they've made. And he said, You know, I just edit the videos. I'm not the target audience and even I can see how your work is impacting so many people. I can only imagine what it must be like to see it from your perspective. And he's right. It's what I love about this. Might be a parent or a caregiver coming into Taming Your Triggers and realizing by the end that they have a whole lot more issues to deal with that are the reasons why they exploit their children all the time. So they sign up for therapy, or another parent who reports having conversations with their partner and children that they could never have imagined possible, where each person expresses their needs and together they come up with a solution to the problem that actually works for everyone, so the parent doesn't need to nag or be frustrated or explode. And then they go deeper into the parenting membership and expand their learning to all the other topics or they have another baby and they realize they need right from the start to navigate these uncharted waters with multiple children, or they see their child's love of learning as a precious resource to be nurtured rather than squashed so they joined the learning membership. It's really truly my privilege and honor to work with parents who are so committed not only to their children but to children everywhere. Also, this year, a racially diverse team of listeners helped me to develop anti-racist policies, I'd been on my own anti-racist journey for a couple of years, and by then after I learned that I do actually have White privilege. And it shows up in all kinds of ways in my parenting. My critical exploration through a series of podcasts episodes, and blog posts and other resources that you can find at yourparentingmojo.com/race. I knew there was a lot more to do. But I didn't really know where to start uncovering issues related to race that touch a podcast and a business related to parenting and child development. How to develop a narrative on exactly how we did that at some point, so anyone who wants to replicate this kind of work or build on it and improve it doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. But...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this short episode I reflect on where we’ve been over the past year, my plans to slow down a bit at the end of the year (as well as a super exciting project I’m working on!), and what episodes we have lined up for the new year.

&nbsp;

In this episode I also mention something I haven’t done for a while, which is that it’s possible to donate to support the show.  You might know that it takes 20-40 hours to do the research for each episode (although my record is about 80 hours for the show on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfreg/">Self-Reg</a>, because the research was in such a mess and I had to check what I was reading with several developmental psychologists who tempered the claims of the person who created the concept of Self-Reg!).

&nbsp;

A core group of listeners (shout out to: Jacqueline B., Rebekah S., Elizabeth M., Kelsey B., Jessica S., Crystian M., Megan P., Alison O., and Cristin B.) have helped to sustain the show over the last months and years.

&nbsp;

If the show has helped you, would you consider making a donation to support it?

&nbsp;

You can now do this from any episode page.  If a particular episode has given you an insight or a tool that resonated with you and/or your child, I’d be really grateful if you would make a one-time donation to acknowledge that, or consider a recurring donation to help me keep making more episodes for you.  I know there’s always the temptation to say that “eh; I don’t have time right now and it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference and someone else will do it anyway.”  And maybe they will, but as we all know, if everyone thinks like that then the work doesn’t get supported….

&nbsp;

I mention in the episode that I’m writing a book!  And the e-book will be available for a sliding scale price on this website, to help everyone who wants to read it be able to read it, no matter what their financial constraints.  I also now make every course and membership I offer over a $100 threshold available with sliding scale pricing, and invite folks who can’t afford even the minimum price to get in touch to figure out a price that works for both of us.  I’m doing everything I can to live my values to make my work available to as many people as possible.  If this resonates with you, I’d be grateful if you would consider donating to support me in continuing to do this work.  You can now donate from any episode page (including this week’s episode!).  Just look for the Support Jen’s Work button on the right side.

&nbsp;

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[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a free guide called 13 reasons why your child won't listen to you and what to do about each one, just head over to yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:56

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I just have a short episode lined up for you today with a few updates about the podcast and the Your Parenting Mojo world more broadly, we're coming to the end of what has been a pretty amazing year. I finally feel as though we have a really complete set of memberships and courses to help parents at all stages of their parenting journey. I run the Right From The Start course with Hannah and Kelty of upbringing to help expecting parents and those with a child under a year old to get it right from the start. And of course, we mean figuring out what's right for you and your family. We've had so many people sign up because they found that it's the only course for parents of very young children that doesn't focus entirely on the baby and instead looks at both babies and the parents needs and how to meet both of those as you negotiate your new relationship. That course has actually opened registration right now for a couple more days until midnight Pacific on November 3rd. Later on, the parenting membership helps parents who are struggling with their child's behavior to understand what's going on when their child is resisting them and what to do about it. Not just by changing their child's behavior, but by meeting their child's needs and also meeting their needs. Then we cover every other topic that parents want to know about from raising healthy eaters to screentime to supporting anxious children. If the parents are finding they're having a hard time with their own reactions to their child's behavior, the parents exploding or mentally shutting down, or doing anything they can to placate the child and get them to stop crying or screaming or hitting, then the taming your triggers workshop allows them to see where those feelings are coming from and gives them concrete tools to navigate them more effectively. And then once things are on a more solid footing the Supporting Your Child's Learning Membership helps parents to support their child's intrinsic love of learning. So the child can retain their motivation for learning and gain new skills on how to learn which they will carry for the rest of their lives. Of course, all of that is grounded by the podcast where I interview the who's who of academic researchers in parenting and child development to use scientific research to help us understand how to guide our children's development and learning based on principles of respectful parenting. Increasingly, over the last couple of years, I've also begun to look beyond the scientific research, not to just question the methodology of an individual study, but to look at the context that a body of work sits within, and understand how the studies fit with what we believe about capitalism and patriarchy, and racism that some people hear about on the show and then give me a one-star review on iTunes because they don't appreciate discussions of these topics alongside information on parenting. This year, I particularly enjoyed the episodes we covered on the topic of sex, both talking with children about it, and also teaching them about respect-based pleasurable relationships, through the ways that we interact with them. We also looked at how to use tools like Mindfulness and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy to live in a way that's more aligned with our values. We started a series of episodes on food and I have more to come on that topic. And we did a series on How Children Learn. Early in the year, there was an episode on whether you should hold your child back a year when entering school, which is called Redshirting in the US. Then later, we looked at How Children Learn with their Bodies as well as their Brains and How to Support Gifted Children. The thing that keeps me going in all of this work is hearing from parents who are in the courses and memberships and who listen to the podcast who tell me what an impact these have had on them and their families. I was talking with my husband about it recently, he does a lot of the editing of the testimonial videos that go on the information pages for the courses and memberships. So he gets to watch the multiple times and look for the rich stories that members are telling that illustrate these transformations they've made. And he said, You know, I just edit the videos. I'm not the target audience and even I can see how your work is impacting so many people. I can only imagine what it must be like to see it from your perspective. And he's right. It's what I love about this. Might be a parent or a caregiver coming into Taming Your Triggers and realizing by the end that they have a whole lot more issues to deal with that are the reasons why they exploit their children all the time. So they sign up for therapy, or another parent who reports having conversations with their partner and children that they could never have imagined possible, where each person expresses their needs and together they come up with a solution to the problem that actually works for everyone, so the parent doesn't need to nag or be frustrated or explode. And then they go deeper into the parenting membership and expand their learning to all the other topics or they have another baby and they realize they need right from the start to navigate these uncharted waters with multiple children, or they see their child's love of learning as a precious resource to be nurtured rather than squashed so they joined the learning membership. It's really truly my privilege and honor to work with parents who are so committed not only to their children but to children everywhere. Also, this year, a racially diverse team of listeners helped me to develop anti-racist policies, I'd been on my own anti-racist journey for a couple of years, and by then after I learned that I do actually have White privilege. And it shows up in all kinds of ways in my parenting. My critical exploration through a series of podcasts episodes, and blog posts and other resources that you can find at yourparentingmojo.com/race. I knew there was a lot more to do. But I didn't really know where to start uncovering issues related to race that touch a podcast and a business related to parenting and child development. How to develop a narrative on exactly how we did that at some point, so anyone who wants to replicate this kind of work or build on it and improve it doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. But the short version is that a small set of listeners helped me to research frameworks to guide the development of these policies. So we would know that we were being as complete as possible, then we drafted the policies themselves, and reviewed them with a broader group to get feedback and make sure we were developing policies that would be true to anti-racistcist mission that we developed, and also having a meaningful impact. If you go to yourparentingmojo.com/anti-racism, you can see the policies and the rationale behind each one, as well as a mechanism for reporting any departures from the policies that you might find in the podcast or on the website so we can address those issues. This was no one-time project, I do plan to assess my progress towards the goals that we've set and report this to listeners annually. And I'm also investigating ways to make more commitments and take deeper action on this topic. So that's where we've been this year. And the reason for this episode is to take a chance to reflect because I don't think we do nearly enough of that in our culture, and also to let you know what's coming. In the short term, a hiatus is coming, I'm going to take a break from releasing new episodes for a few weeks. And there are a few reasons for that. Firstly, our culture prioritizes Go Go going all the time and I've been doing that for quite a while, until we spent a couple of months traveling recently, I was averaging one day off per month over an 18-month period so that I can produce all the content to help parents during COVID lockdowns. Since we've been traveling, I've been doing a bit better than that and I'd like to continue that trend when we get home. I want to spend more time with my family and doing things that I enjoy other than reading about child development for the rest of this year and into early January. And the other main reason I'm taking some time off is that I'm writing a book, this has been quite a journey as well, so a year ago, a book editor approached me after hearing me on somebody else's podcast and asked if I'd like to write a book, and she helped to guide the proposal development, and she said that she only takes projects forward internally that have a very good chance of being approved. But ultimately, the executive team did not approve the project after all. I have a friend who works for a company that helps writers to improve their work and get published, and he advised me to get an agent who could shot the proposal around to several publishers, and I submitted the proposal to several of them, but I never received any calls back. And then serendipity struck. So Hannah and Kelty of upbringing mentioned that an editor had approached them about writing a book and the timing wasn't right for them, so they offered to introduce me to her. And we were right in the middle of launching Right From The Start at the time, so I said, “Yes, please, but in a few weeks.” And so the course finished and I said to them, “Okay, I'm ready now,” and they said, “You already know her.” It turned out the editor and her partner are expecting a baby and had just been through the Right From The Start course, and I had no idea at the time that she was the editor. So I emailed her and I explained the history of the book proposal and asked if she'd be willing to look at it and she emailed me back immediately and thanked me for reaching out first before she'd had a chance to do it. She told me my coaching had changed her life and she said she definitely wanted to work with me to develop the proposal. So overall, while I wish it hadn't taken a year, going from initial development to actually having a signed book contract, I know that many authors go a lifetime without receiving an offer from a publisher, so I'm very grateful that happened for me. And I also think the proposal was much stronger the second time around and we'll create a more useful book for readers. It's going to be a how-to guide for putting into action, many of the ideas you hear about on the podcast, to help you interact with your children in a way that's aligned with your values. And also just so happens to bring about the kind of social change towards justice and equality and away from capitalism, and patriarchy, and racism that generates those lovely one-star iTunes reviews

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>09:57

And in the spirit of practicing what I preach, I also got the publisher to agree to allow me to provide a sliding-scale ebook version of the book on my website. I'd hoped to have it available on the same basis on their website as well. But I certainly prefer the option to do it myself over being forbidden to undercut the retail price. And I hope that that's going to enable more people who want to dig deeper into this work to do it in a way that they can afford. I'm super, super excited to start working on the book and some friends have loaned me a cabin in the mountains for a couple of weeks, so I can actually focus instead of riding myself around in circles, which is going to happen if it gets dragged out over a period of months. The break is also going to give me time to plan episodes for next year and start researching those in a less time-pressured way. and give my team a chance to make all kinds of updates to stuff that happens behind the scenes to make it faster and easier to serve you when you reach out to us, and to improve the website as well. And of course, all of this costs money. I've produced 146 episodes requiring 20 to 40 hours of research each over the last six years, as well as a variety of episodes with other parents and folks working in the field, and short episodes commenting on current events. I haven't counted them, but I'm guessing we're in the neighborhood of about 170 episodes by now. And throughout all of these episodes, I've never run a single advertisement. I know they're really common on podcasts but I've always said that, “Really? Everything you need to raise your child is in you, so why would I tell you that and then sell you cruises or activity subscriptions for your child or mattresses?” I've had a donation page up on my website for a long time and if your listeners have used it, I particularly love it when listeners reach out to tell me that they've donated because an episode has been especially helpful to them. And I recall one listener who made a substantial donation in memory of the look on her mother's face after the listener’s mother was strapping her daughter into the car seat and her daughter said something like not so tight grandma that doesn't feel good on my vulva. The listener at the very early episode on the book talk sex today and had been putting it into practice with our daughter with hilarious results. The reality is, at this point, the donations don't cover the hard costs associated with the podcast, never mind the hours of time that I put into each episode. And I know how much value many listeners get from the show because of the emails I receive and the many five-star iTunes reviews that outweigh those one-star reviews from folks who don't appreciate my approach. I know it's easy to think, oh, I should donate and I'll get to it someday. I've done that myself. I actually took a break from writing this episode to donate to Tara Brach because I've been listening to her meditations and talks for a year now. And she doesn't take advertising either. And before each episode, she requests a donation. Of course, I'm always in bed with my eyes closed while I'm listening to her so it's easy to forget. I know I haven't mentioned the opportunity to donate very often, so maybe you didn't even realize you could do it. A listener and a friend reached out to me six months ago actually to say she had been job searching and had been using a website published by someone who offered some really helpful interviewing tips. And on each page was a short little blurb saying, “If you found this information useful, please consider donating.” My friend send those to me and she said, “You should do that!” I've always focused first on creating content for members and listeners so it's taken six months to actually get around to doing it, but it's now been done. And so you'll see an invitation to donate on each episode page on my website. So if you're listening to an episode and you're finding the information in it to be useful, I invite you to make a donation. It could be a one-time amount that recognizes the value you got out of that one episode or you could become a sustaining member, as they say on National Public Radio pledge drives in the US, which means that your recurring donations helped me to not have to ask for them as often. I'm especially grateful to members who have made one-time donations in the past but particularly to Jacqueline B, Rebecca S, Elizabeth M, Kelsey B, Jessica S, Christian M, Meghan P, Alison O, and Kristin B who have been making monthly donations for quite a while now. Which funds things like website hosting fees, a podcast editor, and all the little tools that it takes to pull various aspects of the episode together, from scheduling to graphics for the cover art, which all adds up. Thank you so much to each of you. If you'd like to join these awesome parents in helping to pay for a service that you get value from you can go to any episode page and look for the donate button on the right side. So we won't have new episodes for a few weeks but I do have a schedule of oldies but goodies lined up to be re-released. These include a super early episode with Dr. Roberta Golinkoff with co-author Dr. Kathy Hirsh-Pasek. She co-wrote Einstein Never use Flashcards among many other books. She was the first nationally known guest whom I reached out to and I still remember exactly the place that I was sitting in a cafeteria at a client's office, back when I still had a day job when I received her email, saying that they would be delighted to talk about their book becoming brilliant. I...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/hiatus]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">42ecf6fa-70e6-450d-9f34-cd8da101ed8a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8be6d77f-5d63-429c-b9b7-19a0f1ee9ec4/your-parenting-mojo-hiatus-episode.mp3" length="25634663" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>17:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>SYPM 016: Getting it right from the start with a new baby</title><itunes:title>SYPM 016: Getting it right from the start with a new baby</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this episode we do something we haven’t done before - talk with podcast listeners who aren’t parents yet!

&nbsp;

Kellie and Jon are an amazing couple living in Tennessee.  Kellie is a<em> bit </em>of a planner (by which I mean that during her Ph.D program Jon noticed Kellie was getting stressed about when they were going to have a baby, so she led them through a four-hour planning session factoring in the baby’s birth and ages at likely dates for her to enter post-doctoral programs and fellowships and landed on February 2021 as the optimal time to conceive - so they started trying in February and she got pregnant in February!).

&nbsp;

Jon, by contrast, is a go-with-the-flow kind of guy.  He’s the kind of person who just knows everything is probably going to turn out OK without needing to worry about the details too much.  He already knew Kellie was going to be a great parent, while she was much less convinced - although now she knows that babies drink milk rather than water, she’s off to a running start!

&nbsp;

Kellie devoured all the pregnancy podcasts she could find (my favorite is the <a href="https://pregnancypodcast.com/">Pregnancy Podcast</a> - host Vanessa basically does the same thing I do here at YPM for the pregnancy stage) and then moved onto the child development podcasts, which is how she found YPM - and she was drawn to the research-based information she found here.

&nbsp;

Jon describes the whole experience as an “uncertainty sandwich” - there was a lot of uncertainty in the beginning about whether and when they’d be able to have a baby: “and then it really certain really fast!”  And after that it became uncertain again as they looked to figure out what life with a baby would be like.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Kellie &amp; Jon are expecting parents who have just gone through the Right From the Start Course</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:25 Kellie and Jon’s background: Jon grew up in a home where he had older women in their family who looked after him and younger nieces that he was also a caretaker of, and Kellie grew up in a very structured environment that revolved around school and gymnastics, and things being planned out</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">07:05 Planning out when to get pregnant with the least amount of distractions, to when Kellie works on her doctorate, and the Uncertainty Sandwich</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:02 What were your thoughts when the point of certainty had passed, and you're getting into the moment where there was a lot of worry and anxiety?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">18:01 Jon realized that to truly support Kellie in their pregnancy meant supporting her in a way that makes sense for her</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">19:27 How the podcast helped Kellie and Jon</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:33 What made you decide to take the Right From the Start course?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">22:38 Joining the group class was the first time I actually felt excited to parent as opposed to just feeling nervous and anxious</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:35 “I had not thought of parenting as this potentially really diplomatic, really egalitarian, loving process”</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:31 We don't have to know exactly what's gonna work best from the start, but we can figure it out together</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">34:24 I feel like we're not just going to be okay, like we can actually thrive, and that our baby can actually thrive</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Links to resources:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/rightfromthestart/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Right From the Start Course</span></a></li><li><a href="https://web.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589"><span style="font-weight: 400">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.upbringing.co/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Upbringing with Hannah and Kelty</span></a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode we do something we haven’t done before - talk with podcast listeners who aren’t parents yet!

&nbsp;

Kellie and Jon are an amazing couple living in Tennessee.  Kellie is a<em> bit </em>of a planner (by which I mean that during her Ph.D program Jon noticed Kellie was getting stressed about when they were going to have a baby, so she led them through a four-hour planning session factoring in the baby’s birth and ages at likely dates for her to enter post-doctoral programs and fellowships and landed on February 2021 as the optimal time to conceive - so they started trying in February and she got pregnant in February!).

&nbsp;

Jon, by contrast, is a go-with-the-flow kind of guy.  He’s the kind of person who just knows everything is probably going to turn out OK without needing to worry about the details too much.  He already knew Kellie was going to be a great parent, while she was much less convinced - although now she knows that babies drink milk rather than water, she’s off to a running start!

&nbsp;

Kellie devoured all the pregnancy podcasts she could find (my favorite is the <a href="https://pregnancypodcast.com/">Pregnancy Podcast</a> - host Vanessa basically does the same thing I do here at YPM for the pregnancy stage) and then moved onto the child development podcasts, which is how she found YPM - and she was drawn to the research-based information she found here.

&nbsp;

Jon describes the whole experience as an “uncertainty sandwich” - there was a lot of uncertainty in the beginning about whether and when they’d be able to have a baby: “and then it really certain really fast!”  And after that it became uncertain again as they looked to figure out what life with a baby would be like.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Kellie &amp; Jon are expecting parents who have just gone through the Right From the Start Course</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:25 Kellie and Jon’s background: Jon grew up in a home where he had older women in their family who looked after him and younger nieces that he was also a caretaker of, and Kellie grew up in a very structured environment that revolved around school and gymnastics, and things being planned out</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">07:05 Planning out when to get pregnant with the least amount of distractions, to when Kellie works on her doctorate, and the Uncertainty Sandwich</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:02 What were your thoughts when the point of certainty had passed, and you're getting into the moment where there was a lot of worry and anxiety?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">18:01 Jon realized that to truly support Kellie in their pregnancy meant supporting her in a way that makes sense for her</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">19:27 How the podcast helped Kellie and Jon</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:33 What made you decide to take the Right From the Start course?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">22:38 Joining the group class was the first time I actually felt excited to parent as opposed to just feeling nervous and anxious</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:35 “I had not thought of parenting as this potentially really diplomatic, really egalitarian, loving process”</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:31 We don't have to know exactly what's gonna work best from the start, but we can figure it out together</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">34:24 I feel like we're not just going to be okay, like we can actually thrive, and that our baby can actually thrive</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Links to resources:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/rightfromthestart/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Right From the Start Course</span></a></li><li><a href="https://web.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589"><span style="font-weight: 400">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.upbringing.co/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Upbringing with Hannah and Kelty</span></a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/kelliejon]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">98616990-518b-4de7-b074-415741d03510</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7dc16cd4-209a-41fa-bc38-d3c32271209c/new-kellie-and-jon-final.mp3" length="73738122" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/ccae4e86-dc2e-4dd9-86b3-777bdac53619/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>146: The Rested Child with Dr. Chris Winter</title><itunes:title>146: The Rested Child with Dr. Chris Winter</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Sleep!  It’s a topic that’s on pretty much every parent’s mind.  <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/sleep">We’ve already looked at this from a cultural perspective</a>, where we learned our Western approach to sleep is by no means universal, and that this can result in quite a few of the problems we face in getting our children to sleep.

&nbsp;

In this episode we dive deep into the practicalities of sleep with Dr. Chris Winter, who has practiced sleep medicine and neurology since 2004.  His first book, <a href="https://amzn.to/3v28sDc"><em>The Sleep Solution, Why Your Sleep Is Broken and How To Fix It</em></a><em> (affiliate link) </em>was focused on adults’ sleep challenges, and I’ve been putting the ideas in it into practice and have been getting better sleep as a result.

&nbsp;

His new book is <a href="https://amzn.to/3DHwV3R"><em>The Rested Child: Why Your Tired, Wired, or Irritable Child May Have a Sleep Disorder--And How to Help</em></a><em> (affiliate link), </em>and is based on Dr. Winters’ almost two decades of experience of evaluating children in the sleep clinic that he founded.

&nbsp;

We’ll look at ways that you can get more sleep (or maybe even more rest that feels almost as restful as sleep), whether you can shift your (or your child’s!) sleep patterns, how to banish bedtime struggles for good, and so much more!

&nbsp;

This episode is for all parents, but especially for those who are expecting or have a child under the age of one, and who are desperately trying to get more sleep (or worried about being in that phase of life in the near future!).  We’ll help you get started on the right foot so you can know you’re doing the best for your child - and for yourself as well.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Chris Winter's Books:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3nRUctV"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">The Rested Child: Why Your Tired, Wired, or Irritable Child May Have a Sleep Disorder--and How to Help</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3caSz88">The Sleep Solution: Why Your Sleep is Broken and How to Fix It</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
&nbsp;

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Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a free guide called 13 reasons why your child won't listen to you, and what to do about each one, just head over to yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners and the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we're going to talk about a topic that I know interests parents everywhere and that is sleep. We've already covered this on the show from the perspective of looking at cross-cultural ideas about sleep. But today we're here with an expert who's going to give us some practical ideas about how to get more sleep. Now I know that sleep is an important topic to parents with children of all ages, but it's especially important to expecting parents and those with newborns. And if that describes you right now, I also wanted to let you know that the Right From The Start course is reopening for enrollment on Sunday, October 24th. I run this course with the amazing Hannah and Kelty of the upbringing podcast. And I truly love doing it with them. Because our skill sets complement each other so well. I bring all the research-based information you've come to expect from this show as well as 100 hours of coaching, training, and a good deal of experience in coaching parents over the years. And they bring a lot of training and topics relevant to new parents. But the reason that I wanted to work with them specifically on the course is that they're trained in resources for infant educators or RIE methods, but they aren't RIE associates, which means they help parents to take what they find useful out of RIE rather than seeing it as a prescriptive set of tools. And of course, as twins themselves and being the parents of four children between them, they've just about seen it all from the perspective of siblings, so they can offer a lot of guidance to parents who aren't new at the parenting thing, but who also know that they can't do things the same as they did them with their previous child, or they don't want to do them like that. So the course has 10 modules and runs over nine weeks, all of the content is available in video and audio, and there are transcripts as well so you can learn in the way that you learn best. We have a supportive community of parents who are on this journey with you that isn't on Facebook. And we also meet for group coaching calls regularly as well. The parents who have taken the course tell us that they got the knowledge they knew they needed, but what they didn't even know they needed was the community of parents who really do get to know each other and us as well on the coaching calls, who offer support and guidance related to whatever struggles we're facing during this period in our lives from trying to figure out who you are as a person with a newborn to your shifting relationship with your partner, and your own parents as well to navigating difficult sibling behavior. We cover it all. So if you're expecting a child or you have one under one year old, the right from the start course was designed for you and I'm as I'm sure you can tell, it doesn't mean that we're going to tell you the one right way to raise a child but rather to help you find the right way for you. So once again, enrollment is open starting Sunday, October 24th. And we start as a group on Monday, November 8th, you can learn more and sign up at yourparentingmojo.com/rightfrom thestart. So our guest today Dr. Chris Winter is a board-certified neurologist and a double board-certified sleep specialist who is in private practice in Charlottesville, Virginia. He consults with athletes on improving their sleep and his first book The Sleep Solution: Why your sleep is broken and how to fix it, was geared towards adults’ challenges with sleep. His new book just published in August is called the Rested Child: Why your tired wired and irritable child may have a sleep disorder and what to do about it. So today we're going to talk about sleep for children, sleep for parents’ and sleep for everybody. Welcome, Chris. It's so great to have you here.

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  04:20

Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:24

So I would like to start by addressing the elephant in the room because I know that parents who are listening to this I want to know your stance on these topics because they want to know if this person's approach is aligned with things that I believe about sleeping, about raising my children, and about my values and beliefs. So bed-sharing. I will say that I found your approach in the book to be a little bit flippant and I will quote what you said, “We used to sleep piled on top of one another in a cave, I suppose. But we also used to banish people with leprosy and smoke cigarettes in operating rooms. We evolve.” And that to me sort of implies the only backwards people in backwards countries, you haven't yet seen the light in the sort of Western, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic approach to sleep, they're just, you know, our approach is clearly superior, and they're missing out on some important development. When actually I know the research has shown that people who live in those countries, you asked them about their children's sleep problems, and they're like, “What sleep problems?” So tell me more about your stance on bed sharing and where that came from, and what you believe about it.

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  05:30

Sure. So, I think it's important to define evolve, because you're putting a judgment on it, when in fact, evolve just means take something that's simple and make it more complicated. And we do that very well in this country. I used to be able to fix my own car, I cannot do that anymore, because the cars have evolved to the point now where it doesn't allow that to happen. So I do think that sleep was very simple in the past, and it's become very complicated. People did sleep in one room at some point in the past, and now you have a nice house in Gwinnett County, you know, Atlanta, and every one of your seven kids have their own bedroom and their own situation. So I'm not here to pass judgment on anything, my stance on co-sleeping is, you do what's right for your family and your children, I don't really have an opinion on it one way or the other. Outside of two things. One, I do think that it is important to be careful with little children when you sleep with them just out of a danger perspective and I don't think that's particularly radical, although I do think it took a while for the American Academy of Pediatrics to really come out with a position on it just because of this kind of, you know, feelings about it. It’s deeply personal to people the way they sleep, so I personally believe that it's probably not a great idea to sleep in a bed with a child under the age of one. Just because, you know, I think that we have seen bad outcomes. I've]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Sleep!  It’s a topic that’s on pretty much every parent’s mind.  <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/sleep">We’ve already looked at this from a cultural perspective</a>, where we learned our Western approach to sleep is by no means universal, and that this can result in quite a few of the problems we face in getting our children to sleep.

&nbsp;

In this episode we dive deep into the practicalities of sleep with Dr. Chris Winter, who has practiced sleep medicine and neurology since 2004.  His first book, <a href="https://amzn.to/3v28sDc"><em>The Sleep Solution, Why Your Sleep Is Broken and How To Fix It</em></a><em> (affiliate link) </em>was focused on adults’ sleep challenges, and I’ve been putting the ideas in it into practice and have been getting better sleep as a result.

&nbsp;

His new book is <a href="https://amzn.to/3DHwV3R"><em>The Rested Child: Why Your Tired, Wired, or Irritable Child May Have a Sleep Disorder--And How to Help</em></a><em> (affiliate link), </em>and is based on Dr. Winters’ almost two decades of experience of evaluating children in the sleep clinic that he founded.

&nbsp;

We’ll look at ways that you can get more sleep (or maybe even more rest that feels almost as restful as sleep), whether you can shift your (or your child’s!) sleep patterns, how to banish bedtime struggles for good, and so much more!

&nbsp;

This episode is for all parents, but especially for those who are expecting or have a child under the age of one, and who are desperately trying to get more sleep (or worried about being in that phase of life in the near future!).  We’ll help you get started on the right foot so you can know you’re doing the best for your child - and for yourself as well.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Chris Winter's Books:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3nRUctV"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">The Rested Child: Why Your Tired, Wired, or Irritable Child May Have a Sleep Disorder--and How to Help</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3caSz88">The Sleep Solution: Why Your Sleep is Broken and How to Fix It</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
&nbsp;

&nbsp;

[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

Jen Lumanlan  00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a free guide called 13 reasons why your child won't listen to you, and what to do about each one, just head over to yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners and the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we're going to talk about a topic that I know interests parents everywhere and that is sleep. We've already covered this on the show from the perspective of looking at cross-cultural ideas about sleep. But today we're here with an expert who's going to give us some practical ideas about how to get more sleep. Now I know that sleep is an important topic to parents with children of all ages, but it's especially important to expecting parents and those with newborns. And if that describes you right now, I also wanted to let you know that the Right From The Start course is reopening for enrollment on Sunday, October 24th. I run this course with the amazing Hannah and Kelty of the upbringing podcast. And I truly love doing it with them. Because our skill sets complement each other so well. I bring all the research-based information you've come to expect from this show as well as 100 hours of coaching, training, and a good deal of experience in coaching parents over the years. And they bring a lot of training and topics relevant to new parents. But the reason that I wanted to work with them specifically on the course is that they're trained in resources for infant educators or RIE methods, but they aren't RIE associates, which means they help parents to take what they find useful out of RIE rather than seeing it as a prescriptive set of tools. And of course, as twins themselves and being the parents of four children between them, they've just about seen it all from the perspective of siblings, so they can offer a lot of guidance to parents who aren't new at the parenting thing, but who also know that they can't do things the same as they did them with their previous child, or they don't want to do them like that. So the course has 10 modules and runs over nine weeks, all of the content is available in video and audio, and there are transcripts as well so you can learn in the way that you learn best. We have a supportive community of parents who are on this journey with you that isn't on Facebook. And we also meet for group coaching calls regularly as well. The parents who have taken the course tell us that they got the knowledge they knew they needed, but what they didn't even know they needed was the community of parents who really do get to know each other and us as well on the coaching calls, who offer support and guidance related to whatever struggles we're facing during this period in our lives from trying to figure out who you are as a person with a newborn to your shifting relationship with your partner, and your own parents as well to navigating difficult sibling behavior. We cover it all. So if you're expecting a child or you have one under one year old, the right from the start course was designed for you and I'm as I'm sure you can tell, it doesn't mean that we're going to tell you the one right way to raise a child but rather to help you find the right way for you. So once again, enrollment is open starting Sunday, October 24th. And we start as a group on Monday, November 8th, you can learn more and sign up at yourparentingmojo.com/rightfrom thestart. So our guest today Dr. Chris Winter is a board-certified neurologist and a double board-certified sleep specialist who is in private practice in Charlottesville, Virginia. He consults with athletes on improving their sleep and his first book The Sleep Solution: Why your sleep is broken and how to fix it, was geared towards adults’ challenges with sleep. His new book just published in August is called the Rested Child: Why your tired wired and irritable child may have a sleep disorder and what to do about it. So today we're going to talk about sleep for children, sleep for parents’ and sleep for everybody. Welcome, Chris. It's so great to have you here.

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  04:20

Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  04:24

So I would like to start by addressing the elephant in the room because I know that parents who are listening to this I want to know your stance on these topics because they want to know if this person's approach is aligned with things that I believe about sleeping, about raising my children, and about my values and beliefs. So bed-sharing. I will say that I found your approach in the book to be a little bit flippant and I will quote what you said, “We used to sleep piled on top of one another in a cave, I suppose. But we also used to banish people with leprosy and smoke cigarettes in operating rooms. We evolve.” And that to me sort of implies the only backwards people in backwards countries, you haven't yet seen the light in the sort of Western, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic approach to sleep, they're just, you know, our approach is clearly superior, and they're missing out on some important development. When actually I know the research has shown that people who live in those countries, you asked them about their children's sleep problems, and they're like, “What sleep problems?” So tell me more about your stance on bed sharing and where that came from, and what you believe about it.

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  05:30

Sure. So, I think it's important to define evolve, because you're putting a judgment on it, when in fact, evolve just means take something that's simple and make it more complicated. And we do that very well in this country. I used to be able to fix my own car, I cannot do that anymore, because the cars have evolved to the point now where it doesn't allow that to happen. So I do think that sleep was very simple in the past, and it's become very complicated. People did sleep in one room at some point in the past, and now you have a nice house in Gwinnett County, you know, Atlanta, and every one of your seven kids have their own bedroom and their own situation. So I'm not here to pass judgment on anything, my stance on co-sleeping is, you do what's right for your family and your children, I don't really have an opinion on it one way or the other. Outside of two things. One, I do think that it is important to be careful with little children when you sleep with them just out of a danger perspective and I don't think that's particularly radical, although I do think it took a while for the American Academy of Pediatrics to really come out with a position on it just because of this kind of, you know, feelings about it. It’s deeply personal to people the way they sleep, so I personally believe that it's probably not a great idea to sleep in a bed with a child under the age of one. Just because, you know, I think that we have seen bad outcomes. I've seen, I think, as of today, 32,233 people in my clinic, and four of them have had issues where children have perished in the night because of a family member role on top of them. That's a very, very, very small percentage, far less than what you know, would be quoted for SIDS. So to me if a parent understands that, and it's very important to them to take that risk. I'm not really here to judge that. I can say that of the people that we spoke to when that happened, including a family member of somebody who works for me, it was deeply traumatic, and something that they never wanted to repeat again. I think that's different, though, then a family bed or co-sleeping, I mean, I think that's a very different situation. The other bias that I have is that of those 32,000 people that have come to my clinic, I have yet to encounter somebody who says, “I'm sleeping with all four of my children and it's going great. I just wondered if you give me some tips on how to make it even better.” The vast majority of people that we're seeing are sort of the opposite. It's like help us to make the situation that we've chosen, which is to not have a child in bed with us, more functional and better. So I’m here to support anybody. I think that the people who are co-sleeping and doing well with it, don't really have to see me or by the book. And I think co-sleeping can be really helpful because when you look at some of the disorders of sleep that we talked about in the book, there's sort of a mystery to the parent or parents that aren't with their children until they share the hotel room, until they go to grandmother's house, and share a bed because grandma has one spare bedroom, where they're like, “Dear God, my child does this thing at night. We had no idea.” So, you know, even if you're somebody who believes not, you're not in co-sleeping, it might not be a bad idea once a month to kind of check-in like, “We're all sleeping together to make sure we're not harboring bad sleep problems.” And so anyway, I think and then the only other thing I would say that again, there's a selection bias here too, is that when kids come to have sleep studies apparent we make a parent accompany them. And so our sleep centers and hotels, it's very comfortable that the child has a bed and the parent has a bed in this you know Hotel it truly, it's a Hilton Hotel. It's amazing how many times the parent is the one diagnosed with the sleep problem. The tech will say, “The kids are okay, dad is suffocating 38 times an hour kind of thing,” so I do sometimes wonder if, you know, if you're going to co-sleep it might be a good idea to make sure your sleep is really healthy and positive before you subject your child to it, but that's a small percentage, probably.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  09:52

Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, thanks for clarifying that. And I guess my stance on co-sleeping has always been, I don't believe It's currently being itself, it's necessarily dangerous. It's currently being in the way that we tend to do it in this country, on a soft bed with a duvet and pillows and above the level of the floor, so the child could potentially roll off the bed. There is some potential danger of rolling onto the child, but my hypothesis based on the research that I have read is that the danger of that happening is much less than the danger of the child suffocating from a pillow or from getting a duvet on them, or rolling off the bed, or something else happening that's based on the practices that we use when we sleep. And that if we didn't use those practices, if we use practices that are more like the practices used where people do co-sleep routinely, then chances are that would be much, much less dangerous. Do you agree with that perspective?

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  10:50

Yeah, that's probably very true. You know, a lot of the things that we talked about in terms of having bumpers and cribs, and soft pillows, and stuffed animals, you know, really having a hard surface and a simple surface, and, you know, just and creating things that make you as the parent comfortable, or we co-slept with our kids, they were just in a little bassinet, kind of like you described next to our bed just because I am not interested in sleeping on the floor, even though it might be better. And I know from experience that my wife would sometimes say, it's truly disturbing how deep, deeply you sleep sometimes, because she's been screaming for 30 minutes, and you haven't moved to the point where when I was in residency, my wife would not let me be at home with the kids while I was sleeping unless I was sleeping literally on the floor, as you said, in the nursery away from them, so they could like throw stuff out of the nursery onto my head to wake me out just because I was always, even just kind of on a couch, which is the worst place you sitting there watching TV and you kind of drift off with them on your stomach, like, I was always very paranoid about that. Absolutely. But I would agree with everything you said.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  12:03

Okay, I can fully empathize with your wife, too.

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  12:07

Yeah, she really feels like I mean, I probably shouldn't announce this. But if people came into the house and announced at night, I would be no help in terms of dealing with the situation. I'm not sure what she thinks I could do in that situation but might be better to sleep through it. I don't know.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  12:22

Yeah, maybe. And then you do sort of casually toss out this idea that if we start out co-sleeping, then children are going to refuse to sleep on their own later. And you have this little footnote that says, “Sweetie, can you take your laptop somewhere else to do your calculus homework? Daddy and I need to sleep.” And I have this statistic that quotes a paper that “researchers suggest co-sleeping children slept fewer hours had more sleep disturbances and bedtime resistance, more behavioral and emotional problems than independent sleepers,” but that study involved school-aged children, and also found that the anxiety and nighttime fears predicted co-sleeping rather than the co-sleeping was generating anxiety and fears. So it seemed to me as though it was unlikely that co-sleeping was going to cause behavioral and emotional problems, which is what I understood when I was reading that in your book. What do you think about that?

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  13:10

I don't think it causes it. Again, it's just a matter of what does the parent want? And most parents are probably not letting those it's sort of like, oh, no, I remember having a conversation about parents when they said you're too old for a blanket. I have no idea why they chose that particular Tuesday to just take it away from me. My guess is at some point, I would have not been that interested in the blanket, we never told our kids to stop. We call them booze. Okay, no more booze because you're this particular age. So again, I think the footnote was more in line with at some point, parents are like, we don't want to let this sort of play out naturally, I have no doubt in my mind that it always does. I mean, I've never met a family who said, “He's 17. He's still in the bed with us and we really just losing our patience. So to me, that's more about at some point, most co-sleeping families that are coming to see us have decided we're done with it; It's affecting our intimacy, and we want to have some time by ourselves at the end of the night that don't involve the kids in the bed with us. I had an NBA player that had two children in bed, one went to bed every 3rd or 4th nights and he was like, “This is affecting my career because I'm having to get up and change sheets every night. My wife is like that's okay, because this is what we're going to do.” So, again, these are probably true, It’s just I think it's hard to find some parents with the courage to let it play out. They kind of want their lives back. And to your point, that's a big problem when it comes to sleep, I mean, one of my mentors said, you know, most kids sleep problems are parents’ sleep problems, and it's an expectation that we have of our kid that's not meeting our needs, “I've got a lot of work to do. And I'm falling behind and watching episodes of white lotus. So I gotta get this kid in her bed so I can do what I need to do.” If your expectation is they can be in bed with me, they might sleep, they might not, everything. Even adult sleep gets better. So a lot of what we're managing is now, that's why you said what is your stance on sleep training, I love that term as if we're doing like, the parents that didn't train their kids to sleep and now they can't, you know, I mean, it's, it's not swimming, for God's sakes, like they're going to sleep, they may sleep differently than what you would expect or on a different schedule. But the idea that we're training them, we're just kind of guiding some little parameters here and there. So it's interesting the way we think about these things, kids are good sleepers and good eaters, and good breeders and good drinkers, like we just kind of need to step back and let it happen and be on the lookout for problems in those areas. But our dominion over the situation, I think, is a lot less than what we think it is.

&nbsp;

Jen Lumanlan  16:00

Yeah, and I wanted to translate what you're saying into language that I think will be familiar to people who are longtime listeners of the show, we're really talking about needs here. And if the parents’ need is being met, and the child's needs being met by whatever situation you're sleeping in, then you really don't have a sleep problem. Even.

&nbsp;

Dr. Winter  16:19

Or any problem. I don't want to stay out late. Well, we don't want you to stay out late there. We don't have a problem with you staying out. I mean, like, you're absolutely right. And that balance is important. But I think it should have always been]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/restedchild]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1df5397c-b4e2-4f0c-ba11-e083fb1c9e62</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d6a62b16-83e6-429e-977a-841902080b1e/ypm-146-the-rested-child.mp3" length="101354169" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:10:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>145: How to Sugarproof your kids with Dr. Michael Goran</title><itunes:title>145: How to Sugarproof your kids with Dr. Michael Goran</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Sugar has a bad name these days - much like fat did back in the 1990s.  "Research shows" that it's addictive...that it shrinks your brain...that it's likely to lead to all kinds of health problems.

&nbsp;

But will it really?

&nbsp;

I interviewed Dr. Michael Goran, author of the recent book Sugarproof: The Hidden Dangers of Sugar that are Putting Your Child’s Health at Risk and What You Can Do.  This is a pretty alarming title, and I was interested to dig into the research behind the book as a continuation of our exploration of topics related to parenting and food.  It turns out that yes, there’s a lot of research on this topic. And a lot of it supports the idea that sugar may be harmful to children...but the case wasn't nearly as clear-cut as I'd imagined it would be.

&nbsp;

In this episode we discuss the research on which the book is based, and what practical steps parents can take to reduce their child's sugar intake if they decide they want to do that.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Michael Goran's Book</strong></h3>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3IxWDeM">Sugarproof: Protect Your Family from the Hidden Dangers of Excess Sugar with Simple Everyday Fixes</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:01 Introduction of episode
03:50 Children's preference for sugary foods
08:27 How does fructose differ from glucose and other forms of sugar that humans ingest and where can we find it
12:46 What is the effect of fructose on our body
16:04 Why Dr. Goran would recommend dried fruit as a sweetener when we see fructose should be less consumed off
18:19 How children respond acutely to different types of meals
21:53 Where can we truly understand children's behavior after they've consumed sugar and low-calorie sweeteners and no sweetener at all
38:20 A Big source of added sugar is in liquid form
39:52 Dr. Goran's breakfast experiment
43:12 Why does Dr. Goran recommend less intake of carbohydrates
46:31 Overall message to parents about the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Bayol, S.A., Farrington, S.J., &amp; Stickland, N.C. (2007). A maternal ‘junk food’ diet in pregnancy and lactation promotes an exacerbated taste for ‘junk food’ and a greater propensity for obesity in rat offspring. British Journal of Nutrition 98, 843-851.

<hr />

Cohen, J.F.W., Rifas-Shiman, S.L., Young, J., &amp; Oken, E. (2018). Associations of prenatal and child sugar intake with child cognition. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 54(6), 727-735.

<hr />

Davis, J.N., Whaley, S.E., &amp; Goran, M.I. (2012). Effects of breastfeeding and low sugar-sweetened beverage intake on obesity prevalence in Hispanic toddlers. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 95(1), 3-8.

<hr />

DeBoer, M.D., Scharf, R.J., &amp; Demmer, R.T. (2013). Sugar-sweetened beverages and weight gain in 2- to 5-year-old children. Pediatrics 132(3), 413-420.

<hr />

Francis, H.M., &amp; Stevenson, R.J. (2011). Higher reported saturated fat and refined sugar intake is associated with reduced hippocampal-dependent memory and sensitivity to interoceptive signals. Behavioral Neuroscience 125(6), 943-955.

<hr />

Goldman, J.A., Lerman, R.H., Contois, J.H., &amp; Utall, J.N. (1986). Behavioral effects of sucrose on preschool children. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 14(4), 565-577.

<hr />

Grossman, A., &amp; Grossman, E. (2017). Blood pressure control in type 2 diabetic patients. Cardiovascular Diabetology 16, article 3.

<hr />

Jensen, T., Abdelmalek, M.F., Sullivan, S., Lanaspa, M.A., Diehl, A.M., &amp; Johnson, R.J. (2018). Fructose and sugar: A major mediator of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Journal of Hepatology 68(5), 1063-1075.

<hr />

Jung, S.W., Kim, S-M., Kim, Y.G., Lee, S-H., &amp; Moon, J-Y. (2020). Uric acid and inflammation in kidney disease. American Journal of Physiology – Renal Physiology 318(6), F1327-F1340.

<hr />

Lago, R.M. (2007), Singh, P.P., &amp; Nesto, R.W. (3007). Diabetes and hypertension. Nature Clinical Practice Endocrinology &amp; Metabolism 3, 667.

<hr />

Luo, S., Monterosso, J.R., Sarpelleh, K., &amp; Page, K.A. (2015). Differential effects of fructose versus glucose on brain and appetite responses to food cues and decisions for food rewards.  Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 112(20), 6509-6514.

<hr />

Noble, E.E., Hsu, T.M., Liang, J., &amp; Kanoski, S.E. (2019). Early life sugar consumption has long-term negative effects on memory function in male rats. Nutritional Neuroscience 22(4), 273-283.

<hr />

O’Reilly, G.A., Belcher, B.R., Davis, J.N., Martinez, L.T., Huh, J., Antunez-Castillo, L., Weigensberg, M., Goran, M.I., &amp; Spruijt-Metz, D. (2015). Effects of high-sugar and high-fiber meals on physical activity behaviors in Latino and African American Adolescents. Obesity 23(9), 1886-1894.

<hr />

O’Reilly, G.A., Huh, J., Schembre, S.M., Tate, E.B., Pentz, M.A., &amp; Dunton, F. (2015). Association of usual self-reported intake with ecological momentary measures of affective and physical feeling states in children. Appetite 92(1), 314-321.

<hr />

Pan, L., Li, R., Park, S., Galuska, D.A., Sherry, B., &amp; Freedman, D.S. (2014). A longitudinal analysis of sugar-sweetened beverage intake in infancy and obesity at 6 years. Pediatrics 134(Suppl 1), S29-S35.

<hr />

Pase, M.P., Himali, J.J., Jacques, P.F., DeCarli, C., Satizabal, C.L., Aparicio, H., Vasan, R.S., Beiser, A.S., &amp; Seshadri, S. (2017). Sugary beverage intake and preclinical Alzheimer’s disease in the community. Alzheimer’s &amp; Dementia 13(3), 955-964.

<hr />

Pase, M.P., Himali, J.J., Beiser, A.S., Aparicio, H.J., Satizabal, C.L., Vasan, R.S., Seshadri, S., &amp; Jacqques, P.F. (2017). Sugar- and artificially sweetened beverages and the risks of incident stroke and dementia: A prospective cohort study. Stroke 48(5), 1139-1146.

<hr />

Philpott, T. (2016, March 16). We don’t mean to ruin smoothies, but…. Mother Jones. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.motherjones.com/food/2016/03/are-smoothies-devil/">https://www.motherjones.com/food/2016/03/are-smoothies-devil/</a>

<hr />

Rodríguez-Artalejo F, García EL, Gorgojo L, et al. Investigators of the Four Provinces Study . Consumption of bakery products, sweetened soft drinks and yogurt among children aged 6-7 years: association with nutrient intake and overall diet quality. British Journal of Nutrition 89(3), 419-429.

<hr />

Sullivan, S.A., &amp; Birch, L.L. (1990). Pass the sugar, pass the salt: Experience dictates preference. Developmental Psychology 26(4), 546-551.

<hr />

Watson, E.J., Coates, A.M., Banks, S., &amp; Kohler, M. (2017). Total dietary sugar consumption does not influence sleep or behavior in Australian children. International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition 69(4), 503-512.

<hr />

Welsh, J.A., Sharma, A.J., Grellinger, L., &amp; Vos, M.B. (2011). Consumption of added sugars is decreasing in the United States. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 94(3), 726-734.

<hr />

Wolraich, ML, Wilson, DB, and White, JW. “The effect of sugar on behavior or cognition in children. A meta-analysis”. JAMA, 1995. 274(20): p. 1617-21.

<hr />

World Health Organization (2015). Guideline: Sugars intake for adults and children. Author; Geneva.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Sugar has a bad name these days - much like fat did back in the 1990s.  "Research shows" that it's addictive...that it shrinks your brain...that it's likely to lead to all kinds of health problems.

&nbsp;

But will it really?

&nbsp;

I interviewed Dr. Michael Goran, author of the recent book Sugarproof: The Hidden Dangers of Sugar that are Putting Your Child’s Health at Risk and What You Can Do.  This is a pretty alarming title, and I was interested to dig into the research behind the book as a continuation of our exploration of topics related to parenting and food.  It turns out that yes, there’s a lot of research on this topic. And a lot of it supports the idea that sugar may be harmful to children...but the case wasn't nearly as clear-cut as I'd imagined it would be.

&nbsp;

In this episode we discuss the research on which the book is based, and what practical steps parents can take to reduce their child's sugar intake if they decide they want to do that.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Dr. Michael Goran's Book</strong></h3>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3IxWDeM">Sugarproof: Protect Your Family from the Hidden Dangers of Excess Sugar with Simple Everyday Fixes</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:01 Introduction of episode
03:50 Children's preference for sugary foods
08:27 How does fructose differ from glucose and other forms of sugar that humans ingest and where can we find it
12:46 What is the effect of fructose on our body
16:04 Why Dr. Goran would recommend dried fruit as a sweetener when we see fructose should be less consumed off
18:19 How children respond acutely to different types of meals
21:53 Where can we truly understand children's behavior after they've consumed sugar and low-calorie sweeteners and no sweetener at all
38:20 A Big source of added sugar is in liquid form
39:52 Dr. Goran's breakfast experiment
43:12 Why does Dr. Goran recommend less intake of carbohydrates
46:31 Overall message to parents about the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Bayol, S.A., Farrington, S.J., &amp; Stickland, N.C. (2007). A maternal ‘junk food’ diet in pregnancy and lactation promotes an exacerbated taste for ‘junk food’ and a greater propensity for obesity in rat offspring. British Journal of Nutrition 98, 843-851.

<hr />

Cohen, J.F.W., Rifas-Shiman, S.L., Young, J., &amp; Oken, E. (2018). Associations of prenatal and child sugar intake with child cognition. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 54(6), 727-735.

<hr />

Davis, J.N., Whaley, S.E., &amp; Goran, M.I. (2012). Effects of breastfeeding and low sugar-sweetened beverage intake on obesity prevalence in Hispanic toddlers. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 95(1), 3-8.

<hr />

DeBoer, M.D., Scharf, R.J., &amp; Demmer, R.T. (2013). Sugar-sweetened beverages and weight gain in 2- to 5-year-old children. Pediatrics 132(3), 413-420.

<hr />

Francis, H.M., &amp; Stevenson, R.J. (2011). Higher reported saturated fat and refined sugar intake is associated with reduced hippocampal-dependent memory and sensitivity to interoceptive signals. Behavioral Neuroscience 125(6), 943-955.

<hr />

Goldman, J.A., Lerman, R.H., Contois, J.H., &amp; Utall, J.N. (1986). Behavioral effects of sucrose on preschool children. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 14(4), 565-577.

<hr />

Grossman, A., &amp; Grossman, E. (2017). Blood pressure control in type 2 diabetic patients. Cardiovascular Diabetology 16, article 3.

<hr />

Jensen, T., Abdelmalek, M.F., Sullivan, S., Lanaspa, M.A., Diehl, A.M., &amp; Johnson, R.J. (2018). Fructose and sugar: A major mediator of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Journal of Hepatology 68(5), 1063-1075.

<hr />

Jung, S.W., Kim, S-M., Kim, Y.G., Lee, S-H., &amp; Moon, J-Y. (2020). Uric acid and inflammation in kidney disease. American Journal of Physiology – Renal Physiology 318(6), F1327-F1340.

<hr />

Lago, R.M. (2007), Singh, P.P., &amp; Nesto, R.W. (3007). Diabetes and hypertension. Nature Clinical Practice Endocrinology &amp; Metabolism 3, 667.

<hr />

Luo, S., Monterosso, J.R., Sarpelleh, K., &amp; Page, K.A. (2015). Differential effects of fructose versus glucose on brain and appetite responses to food cues and decisions for food rewards.  Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 112(20), 6509-6514.

<hr />

Noble, E.E., Hsu, T.M., Liang, J., &amp; Kanoski, S.E. (2019). Early life sugar consumption has long-term negative effects on memory function in male rats. Nutritional Neuroscience 22(4), 273-283.

<hr />

O’Reilly, G.A., Belcher, B.R., Davis, J.N., Martinez, L.T., Huh, J., Antunez-Castillo, L., Weigensberg, M., Goran, M.I., &amp; Spruijt-Metz, D. (2015). Effects of high-sugar and high-fiber meals on physical activity behaviors in Latino and African American Adolescents. Obesity 23(9), 1886-1894.

<hr />

O’Reilly, G.A., Huh, J., Schembre, S.M., Tate, E.B., Pentz, M.A., &amp; Dunton, F. (2015). Association of usual self-reported intake with ecological momentary measures of affective and physical feeling states in children. Appetite 92(1), 314-321.

<hr />

Pan, L., Li, R., Park, S., Galuska, D.A., Sherry, B., &amp; Freedman, D.S. (2014). A longitudinal analysis of sugar-sweetened beverage intake in infancy and obesity at 6 years. Pediatrics 134(Suppl 1), S29-S35.

<hr />

Pase, M.P., Himali, J.J., Jacques, P.F., DeCarli, C., Satizabal, C.L., Aparicio, H., Vasan, R.S., Beiser, A.S., &amp; Seshadri, S. (2017). Sugary beverage intake and preclinical Alzheimer’s disease in the community. Alzheimer’s &amp; Dementia 13(3), 955-964.

<hr />

Pase, M.P., Himali, J.J., Beiser, A.S., Aparicio, H.J., Satizabal, C.L., Vasan, R.S., Seshadri, S., &amp; Jacqques, P.F. (2017). Sugar- and artificially sweetened beverages and the risks of incident stroke and dementia: A prospective cohort study. Stroke 48(5), 1139-1146.

<hr />

Philpott, T. (2016, March 16). We don’t mean to ruin smoothies, but…. Mother Jones. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.motherjones.com/food/2016/03/are-smoothies-devil/">https://www.motherjones.com/food/2016/03/are-smoothies-devil/</a>

<hr />

Rodríguez-Artalejo F, García EL, Gorgojo L, et al. Investigators of the Four Provinces Study . Consumption of bakery products, sweetened soft drinks and yogurt among children aged 6-7 years: association with nutrient intake and overall diet quality. British Journal of Nutrition 89(3), 419-429.

<hr />

Sullivan, S.A., &amp; Birch, L.L. (1990). Pass the sugar, pass the salt: Experience dictates preference. Developmental Psychology 26(4), 546-551.

<hr />

Watson, E.J., Coates, A.M., Banks, S., &amp; Kohler, M. (2017). Total dietary sugar consumption does not influence sleep or behavior in Australian children. International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition 69(4), 503-512.

<hr />

Welsh, J.A., Sharma, A.J., Grellinger, L., &amp; Vos, M.B. (2011). Consumption of added sugars is decreasing in the United States. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 94(3), 726-734.

<hr />

Wolraich, ML, Wilson, DB, and White, JW. “The effect of sugar on behavior or cognition in children. A meta-analysis”. JAMA, 1995. 274(20): p. 1617-21.

<hr />

World Health Organization (2015). Guideline: Sugars intake for adults and children. Author; Geneva.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/sugarproof]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8c550540-c2ef-4b39-bdc0-e60d77862ef2</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cc09d8da-3646-4d99-b828-abe28c942c6e/your-parenting-mojo-sugarproof.mp3" length="50677052" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>145</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>145</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/7c16f705-c949-481f-a680-a98204582ba7/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>SYPM 015: How to support each unique child’s learning journey</title><itunes:title>SYPM 015: How to support each unique child’s learning journey</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I hear from a lot of parents who are worried about their children’s learning.  They tell me things like:“I want to encourage my child’s learning and creativity and confidence as a learner without solely focusing on literacy and numeracy.”

&nbsp;

“We’ve been in lockdown here in Melbourne for a very long time, with my older kids learning remotely, and I feel that a lot of the tasks they are given by their school are a bit … uninspiring. It’s so cool when there is something that really engages them and I’m trying to find more things like that.”

&nbsp;

“I am wary about the school system squashing the natural instinct to learn, as I feel it did with me. But I'm hoping we can provide the attitude and environment at home to mitigate this.”

&nbsp;

“What we have read about traditional schooling is a bit disheartening but something we have to embrace for now. So it is important that with the time we have outside of school we do the best we can to encourage his spark for exploration and learning.”

&nbsp;

“My children are already in school. Even though they (and I) are happy with their school and learning so far, I would love to learn how I can support them better and help them being more motivated and stay curious. The challenges of distant-learning that we experienced during the lockdowns have highlighted that I find it difficult to be a good teacher for them and I would like to change that.”

&nbsp;

If you could have said (or have already said!) one or more of these things yourself, then I want to introduce you to Madeline.She describes all three of her children as ‘spirited’ (you can kind of see it in their eyes, right?!)

&nbsp;

When I first met her, she wanted to know that she was doing everything she could to support their intrinsic love of learning in the preschool years - and she wasn’t sure whether or not they would go to school.  In this episode we discuss some of the Learning Explorations she’s done with them, how she became confident that she really was meeting each child’s learning needs, and what decision she ultimately made about school!

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:02 Introduction to the episode

05:08 Kids’ creativity encouraged through Kid Kitchen Creations

06:38 What Madeline values as a parent: Autonomy and skills

08:23 How being a perfectionist affected Madeline’s parenting

12:30 Finding balance between allowing her child to make mistakes and providing guidance

14:19 The effectiveness of workbooks in supporting children’s love of learning

16:26 Madeline discusses her middle child’s interests and learning style

18:47 Madeline discusses how joining the joining the Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership supported her

23:04 Madeline shares a specific example of how she applied the learning framework she gained from joining the membership

27:59 Madeline reflects on the importance of keeping the balance between her children’s learning and their emotional, social and psychological wellbeing

29:40 Madeline shares the importance of documenting her children’s learning

38:08 Madeline shares how being a member of both Parenting Membership and Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership supported her

42:05 Madeline’s advice for parents]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I hear from a lot of parents who are worried about their children’s learning.  They tell me things like:“I want to encourage my child’s learning and creativity and confidence as a learner without solely focusing on literacy and numeracy.”

&nbsp;

“We’ve been in lockdown here in Melbourne for a very long time, with my older kids learning remotely, and I feel that a lot of the tasks they are given by their school are a bit … uninspiring. It’s so cool when there is something that really engages them and I’m trying to find more things like that.”

&nbsp;

“I am wary about the school system squashing the natural instinct to learn, as I feel it did with me. But I'm hoping we can provide the attitude and environment at home to mitigate this.”

&nbsp;

“What we have read about traditional schooling is a bit disheartening but something we have to embrace for now. So it is important that with the time we have outside of school we do the best we can to encourage his spark for exploration and learning.”

&nbsp;

“My children are already in school. Even though they (and I) are happy with their school and learning so far, I would love to learn how I can support them better and help them being more motivated and stay curious. The challenges of distant-learning that we experienced during the lockdowns have highlighted that I find it difficult to be a good teacher for them and I would like to change that.”

&nbsp;

If you could have said (or have already said!) one or more of these things yourself, then I want to introduce you to Madeline.She describes all three of her children as ‘spirited’ (you can kind of see it in their eyes, right?!)

&nbsp;

When I first met her, she wanted to know that she was doing everything she could to support their intrinsic love of learning in the preschool years - and she wasn’t sure whether or not they would go to school.  In this episode we discuss some of the Learning Explorations she’s done with them, how she became confident that she really was meeting each child’s learning needs, and what decision she ultimately made about school!

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:02 Introduction to the episode

05:08 Kids’ creativity encouraged through Kid Kitchen Creations

06:38 What Madeline values as a parent: Autonomy and skills

08:23 How being a perfectionist affected Madeline’s parenting

12:30 Finding balance between allowing her child to make mistakes and providing guidance

14:19 The effectiveness of workbooks in supporting children’s love of learning

16:26 Madeline discusses her middle child’s interests and learning style

18:47 Madeline discusses how joining the joining the Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership supported her

23:04 Madeline shares a specific example of how she applied the learning framework she gained from joining the membership

27:59 Madeline reflects on the importance of keeping the balance between her children’s learning and their emotional, social and psychological wellbeing

29:40 Madeline shares the importance of documenting her children’s learning

38:08 Madeline shares how being a member of both Parenting Membership and Supporting Your Child’s Learning Membership supported her

42:05 Madeline’s advice for parents]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/madeline]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1df1f6ec-6c54-4bd4-9c81-0f43a02bfb34</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/1df1f6ec-6c54-4bd4-9c81-0f43a02bfb34.mp3" length="50156684" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/38ffdb02-8a0f-43a3-b795-c6707de9a930/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>144: Supporting Your Gifted Child</title><itunes:title>144: Supporting Your Gifted Child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div>

Is your child gifted?

&nbsp;

Do you wonder if they're gifted but aren't quite sure?

&nbsp;

Do you want to know how to support your gifted child's learning in a way that doesn't pressure them or make them resist working with you?

&nbsp;

If so, this episode will help.

&nbsp;

I have to say, I wasn't sure where this one was going to end up.  I was really uneasy about the concept of giftedness from the outset, perhaps because the way I had previously come into contact with it was through <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege">our conversation with Dr. Allison Roda</a>, from whom we learned how some parents manipulate the Gifted &amp; Talented program in New York City to perpetuate segregated education.

&nbsp;

But even so, I tried to go into the research with an open mind.  What if it's just the G&amp;T programs as they're set up in New York City that are the problem, not the entire concept of giftedness itself?

&nbsp;

The good news is that there's a good deal of evidence on what kinds of programs benefit gifted children.  And in this episode I end up arguing that we shouldn't just put gifted children in them, but that all children would benefit from learning using these methods.

</div>
&nbsp;
<div>

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

</div>
&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"><img class="alignnone wp-image-14107 size-full" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/LM-Banner..waitlist.png" alt="a mother and young child with natural curly hair in an outdoor setting with trees" width="960" height="540" /></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Adair, J.K., Colegrove, K. S-S., &amp; McManus, M.E. (2017). How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. Harvard Educational Review 87(3), 309-334.

<hr />

Aiegler, A., Balestrini, D.P., &amp; Stoeger, H. (2018). An international view on gifted education: incorporating the macro-systemic perspective. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.15-28). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Begay, H. &amp; Maker, CJ. (2007). When geniuses fail: Na8Dene’ (Navajo) conception of giftedness in the eyes of the holy deities. In S.N. Phillipson &amp; M. McCann (Eds.), <em>Conceptions of giftedness. Sociocultural perspectives</em> (pp. 1278168). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

<hr />

Berry, K. S. (2004). Multiple intelligences are not what they seem to be. In J. L. Kincheloe (Ed.), <em>Multiple intelligences reconsidered. </em>(pp. 236-250). New York, NY: Peter Lang.

<hr />

Carrillo, J.F. (2013). I always knew I was gifted: Latino males and the Mestiz@ Theory of Intelligences (MTI). Berkeley Review of Education 4(1), 69-95.

<hr />

Chandler, P. (2011). Prodigy or problem child? Challenges with identifying Aboriginal giftedness. In Vialle, W. (Ed.), Giftedness from an Indigenous perspective (p.1-9). Australian Association for the Education of the Gifted and Talented Ltd. Retrieved from https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1016&amp;context=uowbooks

<hr />

Christie, M. (n.d.). Some Aboriginal perspectives on gifted and talented children and their schooling. Charles Darwin University. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.cdu.edu.au/centres/yaci/docs/Aboriginal-Perspectives-On-Gifted-Children%20190910.pdf">https://www.cdu.edu.au/centres/yaci/docs/Aboriginal-Perspectives-On-Gifted-Children%20190910.pdf</a>

<hr />

Ford, D. Y., Orantham T. C. &amp; Whiting, G. W. (2008). Culturally and linguistically diverse students in gifted education: Recruitment and retention issues. <em>Exceptional Children</em>, 74, 3, 289Q306.

<hr />

Jiuliani, A.J. (2013, June 25). Why “20% time” is good for schools. Edutopia. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.edutopia.org/blog/20-percent-time-a-j-juliani">https://www.edutopia.org/blog/20-percent-time-a-j-juliani</a>

<hr />

Kanevsky, L., &amp; Keighley, T. (2003). To produce or not to produce? Understanding boredom and the honor in underachievement. <em>Roeper Review, 26</em>, 20–28.

<hr />

Mayes, R.D., &amp; Moore III, J.L. (2016). The intersection of race, disability, and giftedness: Understanding the education needs of twice-exceptional African American students. Gifted Child Today 39(2), 98-104.

<hr />

Miller, E.M., &amp; Cohen, L.M. (2012). Engendering talent in others: Expanding domains of giftedness and creativity. Roeper Review 34, 104-113.

<hr />

Novak, A.M. (2021, February 5). Black (Gifted) Joy: A critical race theory perspective. https://doi.org/10.35542/osf.io/xdpwr

<hr />

Peterson, J. S. (2001). Successful adults who were once adolescent underachievers. <em>Gifted Child Quarterly, 45</em>, 236–250.

<hr />

Pfeiffer, S.I., &amp; Prado, R.M. (2018). Counseling the gifted: Current status and future prospects. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.299-313). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Reis, S.M. (2005). Feminist perspectives on talent development: A research-based conception of giftedness in women. In R.J. Sternberg &amp; J.E. Davidson (Eds)., Conceptions of Giftedness (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.) (p.217-246). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Rinn, A.N., &amp; Majority, K.L. (2018). The social and emotional world of the gifted. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.49-64). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Silverman, L.K. (2018). Assessment of giftedness. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.183-207). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Sternberg, R.J., &amp; Kaufman, S.B. (2018). Theories and conceptions of giftedness. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.29-48). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Ziegler, A., Balestrini, D.P., &amp; Stoeger, H. (2018). An international view on gifted education: incorporating the macro-systemic perspective. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.15-28). Cham, Switizerland.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>

Is your child gifted?

&nbsp;

Do you wonder if they're gifted but aren't quite sure?

&nbsp;

Do you want to know how to support your gifted child's learning in a way that doesn't pressure them or make them resist working with you?

&nbsp;

If so, this episode will help.

&nbsp;

I have to say, I wasn't sure where this one was going to end up.  I was really uneasy about the concept of giftedness from the outset, perhaps because the way I had previously come into contact with it was through <a href="https://www.yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege">our conversation with Dr. Allison Roda</a>, from whom we learned how some parents manipulate the Gifted &amp; Talented program in New York City to perpetuate segregated education.

&nbsp;

But even so, I tried to go into the research with an open mind.  What if it's just the G&amp;T programs as they're set up in New York City that are the problem, not the entire concept of giftedness itself?

&nbsp;

The good news is that there's a good deal of evidence on what kinds of programs benefit gifted children.  And in this episode I end up arguing that we shouldn't just put gifted children in them, but that all children would benefit from learning using these methods.

</div>
&nbsp;
<div>

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

</div>
&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"><img class="alignnone wp-image-14107 size-full" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/LM-Banner..waitlist.png" alt="a mother and young child with natural curly hair in an outdoor setting with trees" width="960" height="540" /></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Adair, J.K., Colegrove, K. S-S., &amp; McManus, M.E. (2017). How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. Harvard Educational Review 87(3), 309-334.

<hr />

Aiegler, A., Balestrini, D.P., &amp; Stoeger, H. (2018). An international view on gifted education: incorporating the macro-systemic perspective. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.15-28). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Begay, H. &amp; Maker, CJ. (2007). When geniuses fail: Na8Dene’ (Navajo) conception of giftedness in the eyes of the holy deities. In S.N. Phillipson &amp; M. McCann (Eds.), <em>Conceptions of giftedness. Sociocultural perspectives</em> (pp. 1278168). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

<hr />

Berry, K. S. (2004). Multiple intelligences are not what they seem to be. In J. L. Kincheloe (Ed.), <em>Multiple intelligences reconsidered. </em>(pp. 236-250). New York, NY: Peter Lang.

<hr />

Carrillo, J.F. (2013). I always knew I was gifted: Latino males and the Mestiz@ Theory of Intelligences (MTI). Berkeley Review of Education 4(1), 69-95.

<hr />

Chandler, P. (2011). Prodigy or problem child? Challenges with identifying Aboriginal giftedness. In Vialle, W. (Ed.), Giftedness from an Indigenous perspective (p.1-9). Australian Association for the Education of the Gifted and Talented Ltd. Retrieved from https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1016&amp;context=uowbooks

<hr />

Christie, M. (n.d.). Some Aboriginal perspectives on gifted and talented children and their schooling. Charles Darwin University. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.cdu.edu.au/centres/yaci/docs/Aboriginal-Perspectives-On-Gifted-Children%20190910.pdf">https://www.cdu.edu.au/centres/yaci/docs/Aboriginal-Perspectives-On-Gifted-Children%20190910.pdf</a>

<hr />

Ford, D. Y., Orantham T. C. &amp; Whiting, G. W. (2008). Culturally and linguistically diverse students in gifted education: Recruitment and retention issues. <em>Exceptional Children</em>, 74, 3, 289Q306.

<hr />

Jiuliani, A.J. (2013, June 25). Why “20% time” is good for schools. Edutopia. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.edutopia.org/blog/20-percent-time-a-j-juliani">https://www.edutopia.org/blog/20-percent-time-a-j-juliani</a>

<hr />

Kanevsky, L., &amp; Keighley, T. (2003). To produce or not to produce? Understanding boredom and the honor in underachievement. <em>Roeper Review, 26</em>, 20–28.

<hr />

Mayes, R.D., &amp; Moore III, J.L. (2016). The intersection of race, disability, and giftedness: Understanding the education needs of twice-exceptional African American students. Gifted Child Today 39(2), 98-104.

<hr />

Miller, E.M., &amp; Cohen, L.M. (2012). Engendering talent in others: Expanding domains of giftedness and creativity. Roeper Review 34, 104-113.

<hr />

Novak, A.M. (2021, February 5). Black (Gifted) Joy: A critical race theory perspective. https://doi.org/10.35542/osf.io/xdpwr

<hr />

Peterson, J. S. (2001). Successful adults who were once adolescent underachievers. <em>Gifted Child Quarterly, 45</em>, 236–250.

<hr />

Pfeiffer, S.I., &amp; Prado, R.M. (2018). Counseling the gifted: Current status and future prospects. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.299-313). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Reis, S.M. (2005). Feminist perspectives on talent development: A research-based conception of giftedness in women. In R.J. Sternberg &amp; J.E. Davidson (Eds)., Conceptions of Giftedness (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.) (p.217-246). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Rinn, A.N., &amp; Majority, K.L. (2018). The social and emotional world of the gifted. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.49-64). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Silverman, L.K. (2018). Assessment of giftedness. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.183-207). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Sternberg, R.J., &amp; Kaufman, S.B. (2018). Theories and conceptions of giftedness. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.29-48). Cham, Switizerland.

<hr />

Ziegler, A., Balestrini, D.P., &amp; Stoeger, H. (2018). An international view on gifted education: incorporating the macro-systemic perspective. In Pfeiffer, S.I. (Ed.), Handbook of giftedness in children: Psychoeducational theory, research, and best practices (p.15-28). Cham, Switizerland.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/giftedness]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e788b777-845d-4ce3-9152-6fdfee9b48cc</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7b70b829-c023-486f-9036-502db47db26f/144-Giftedness-Final-converted.mp3" length="55188613" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>144</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>144</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a52b8abe-1d91-4124-9586-aed0a39b8db1/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>143: The Extended Mind with Annie Murphy Paul</title><itunes:title>143: The Extended Mind with Annie Murphy Paul</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We don’t just think with our brains.

&nbsp;

What?!

&nbsp;

How can that possibly be true?

&nbsp;

I struggled to understand it if myself for quite a while, until I read the fabulous English philosopher Andy Clark’s description of what happens when someone writes, which essentially involves ideas flowing down the arm and hand, through the pen and ink, across the paper, up to your eyes, and back to your brain.

&nbsp;

The<em> ideas</em> don’t literally flow, of course, but the process of writing alters the process of thinking - which is why research has shown that processing traumatic memories through journaling about them is more useful just thinking about them - the act of writing about them changes our interpretation of them in a way that just thinking about them doesn’t.

&nbsp;

The challenge with school-based learning, of course, is that it’s primarily concerned with the brain.  Our task is to remember facts and ideas so we can recount them when asked about them at a later time.  Children who fidget are told to sit still, when the research that Annie Murphy Paul cites in her new book The Extended Mind indicates that this instruction is entirely misplaced - fidgeting can be a way of managing excess energy, and movement can actually help us to remember things more effectively than we otherwise would.

&nbsp;

In this episode we learn many of the different ways that we our brains interact with the outside world to learn in ways that we might never have considered up to now.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"><img class="alignnone wp-image-14107 size-full" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/LM-Banner..waitlist.png" alt="a mother and young child with natural curly hair in an outdoor setting with trees" width="960" height="540" /></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Annie Murphy Paul's Book</strong></h3>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3ywUJX9">The Extended Mind: The Power of Thinking Outside the Brain</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Looking at the idea that our mind isn't actually only located inside of our brains</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:46 An open invitation to join the free You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher Workshop</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:30 Learning does not just happen within the brain, but with things and people that are outside of it</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:44 The metaphor of how our brains are like magpies nest: we draw raw material available to us as resources for our thinking process just like how magpies incorporate materials available in their environment when building their nests</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:22 The movements and gestures of our bodies, the internal sensations of our bodies are part of the thinking process</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">10:34 Interoceptive sensitivity</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:07 The gut feeling is your body tugging at your sleeve saying that you’ve encountered this situation before and this is how you should respond</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">14:53 Moving the body is a way to stimulate mental processes in specific ways and you can use different kinds of movements to produce different kinds of thoughts</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:53 Recess -  the great invention that allows students to move and break the monotony of sitting down all day in school</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">17:49 Fidgeting is  a very subtle way to calibrate our arousal level so that we're in this optimal state of alertness</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">19:00 We're creatures who are good at moving our bodies and navigating through space and interacting with other people</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:23 We rely on our surroundings to shape our sense of ourselves</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:48 We can interact with our environment in a way that supports our learning</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">28:33 What are some ways that we can support children in using the space around them in their learning</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:49 Journaling and sketching as a tool to process learning deeper</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:47 Thinking with relationships; encouraging children to learn from and with other people</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">45:25 Allowing your children to genuinely work together so that parents don’t need to support their learning individually</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">46:29 We tend to think of learning as when a person sits down at a desk but in fact there are all these cognitive processes that get activated in social interactions</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">48:08 Argument is very valuable and can be a really effective way of solving problems</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">52:43 It is a different cognitive process when we do learning with other people</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">55:45 Human thinking works best when we are able to create “loops” and the best way for parents to support their children’s learning is to look for those loops</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/">137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Links</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteacher">You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher Workshop</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Outside-Brain-Annie-Murphy/dp/0544947665">The Extended Mind: The Power of Thinking Outside the Brain, by Annie Murphy Paul</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Origins-Months-Before-Birth-Shape/dp/074329663X">Origins: How the Nine Months Before Birth Shape the Rest of Our Lives, by Annie Murphy Paul</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Andrade, J. (2010). What does doodling do? Applied Cognitive Psychology 24, 100-106.

<hr />

Bobek, E., &amp; Tversky, B. (2016). Creating visual explanations improves learning. Cognitive Research: Principles and Implications 1, 27.

<hr />

Church, R.B. &amp; Goldin-Meadow, S. (1986). The mismatch between gesture and speech as an index of transitional knowledge. Cognition 23, 43-71.

<hr />

Fishburn, F.A., Murty, V., Hlutkowsky, C.O., MacGillivray, C.E., Bemis, L.M., Murphy, M.E., Huppert, T.J., &amp; Perlman, S.B. (2018). Putting our heads together: Interpersonal neural synchronization as a biological mechanism for shared intentionality. Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience 13(8), 841-849.

<hr />

Glenberg, A.M. (2011). How reading comprehension is embodied and why that matters. International Electronic Journal of Elementary Education 4(1), 5-18.

<hr />

Kandasamy, N., Garfinkel, S.N., Page, L., Hardy, B., Critchley, H.D., Gurnell, M., &amp; Coates, J.M. (2016). Interoceptive ability predicts survival on a London trading floor. Scientific Reports 6, 32986.

<hr />

Kelly, S.D., Singer, M., Hicks, J., &amp; Goldin-Meadow, S. (2002). A helping hand in assessing children’s knowledge: Instructing adults to attend to gesture. Cognition and Instruction 20(1), 1-26.

<hr />

Knight, C., &amp; Haslam, S.A. (2010). The relative merits of lean, enriched, and empowered offices: An experimental examination of the impact of workspace management strategies on well-being and productivity. Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied 16(2), 158-172.

<hr />

Kontra, C., Lyons, D.J., Fischer, S.M., &amp; Beilock, S.L. (2015). Physical experience enhances science learning. Psychological Science 26(6), 737-749.

<hr />

Langhanns, C., &amp; Muller, H. (2018). Effects of trying ‘not to move’ instruction on cortical load and concurrent cognitive performance. Psychological Research 82, 167-176.

<hr />

Link, T., Moeller, K., Huber, S., Fischer, U., &amp; Nuerk, H-K. (2015). Corrigendum to ‘Walk the number...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We don’t just think with our brains.

&nbsp;

What?!

&nbsp;

How can that possibly be true?

&nbsp;

I struggled to understand it if myself for quite a while, until I read the fabulous English philosopher Andy Clark’s description of what happens when someone writes, which essentially involves ideas flowing down the arm and hand, through the pen and ink, across the paper, up to your eyes, and back to your brain.

&nbsp;

The<em> ideas</em> don’t literally flow, of course, but the process of writing alters the process of thinking - which is why research has shown that processing traumatic memories through journaling about them is more useful just thinking about them - the act of writing about them changes our interpretation of them in a way that just thinking about them doesn’t.

&nbsp;

The challenge with school-based learning, of course, is that it’s primarily concerned with the brain.  Our task is to remember facts and ideas so we can recount them when asked about them at a later time.  Children who fidget are told to sit still, when the research that Annie Murphy Paul cites in her new book The Extended Mind indicates that this instruction is entirely misplaced - fidgeting can be a way of managing excess energy, and movement can actually help us to remember things more effectively than we otherwise would.

&nbsp;

In this episode we learn many of the different ways that we our brains interact with the outside world to learn in ways that we might never have considered up to now.

&nbsp;

<strong>Ready to transform how you support your child's curiosity?</strong>

While we're all trying to figure out what's really behind rising teen anxiety and whether phones are the problem, there's something we can do right now that helps nurture our children's natural curiosity and intrinsic motivation to learn.

&nbsp;

The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass">You Are Your Child's Best Teacher masterclass</a> shows you how to do exactly that without adding pressure or creating elaborate activities that exhaust you.

&nbsp;

When children feel competent and engaged in learning that matters to them, they develop resilience that serves them well, whether they're facing social media pressures, academic stress, or the general challenges of growing up in today's world.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteachermasterclass/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Learning Membership </strong></h3>
Do you want to turn your child’s interests into learning opportunities? The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> is here to help you. Make learning a fun adventure that not only strengthens your bond, but also nurtures your child’s intrinsic love of learning—an essential foundation for success in an AI-driven world.

&nbsp;

Get tools and strategies to support your child’s love of learning and future-proof their success in navigating whatever comes their way. No special skills needed—just a willingness to explore alongside them.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more!

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"><img class="alignnone wp-image-14107 size-full" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/LM-Banner..waitlist.png" alt="a mother and young child with natural curly hair in an outdoor setting with trees" width="960" height="540" /></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Annie Murphy Paul's Book</strong></h3>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3ywUJX9">The Extended Mind: The Power of Thinking Outside the Brain</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Looking at the idea that our mind isn't actually only located inside of our brains</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:46 An open invitation to join the free You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher Workshop</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:30 Learning does not just happen within the brain, but with things and people that are outside of it</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:44 The metaphor of how our brains are like magpies nest: we draw raw material available to us as resources for our thinking process just like how magpies incorporate materials available in their environment when building their nests</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:22 The movements and gestures of our bodies, the internal sensations of our bodies are part of the thinking process</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">10:34 Interoceptive sensitivity</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:07 The gut feeling is your body tugging at your sleeve saying that you’ve encountered this situation before and this is how you should respond</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">14:53 Moving the body is a way to stimulate mental processes in specific ways and you can use different kinds of movements to produce different kinds of thoughts</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:53 Recess -  the great invention that allows students to move and break the monotony of sitting down all day in school</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">17:49 Fidgeting is  a very subtle way to calibrate our arousal level so that we're in this optimal state of alertness</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">19:00 We're creatures who are good at moving our bodies and navigating through space and interacting with other people</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:23 We rely on our surroundings to shape our sense of ourselves</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:48 We can interact with our environment in a way that supports our learning</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">28:33 What are some ways that we can support children in using the space around them in their learning</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:49 Journaling and sketching as a tool to process learning deeper</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:47 Thinking with relationships; encouraging children to learn from and with other people</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">45:25 Allowing your children to genuinely work together so that parents don’t need to support their learning individually</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">46:29 We tend to think of learning as when a person sits down at a desk but in fact there are all these cognitive processes that get activated in social interactions</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">48:08 Argument is very valuable and can be a really effective way of solving problems</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">52:43 It is a different cognitive process when we do learning with other people</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">55:45 Human thinking works best when we are able to create “loops” and the best way for parents to support their children’s learning is to look for those loops</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/act/">137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Links</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/bestteacher">You Are Your Child’s Best Teacher Workshop</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Outside-Brain-Annie-Murphy/dp/0544947665">The Extended Mind: The Power of Thinking Outside the Brain, by Annie Murphy Paul</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Origins-Months-Before-Birth-Shape/dp/074329663X">Origins: How the Nine Months Before Birth Shape the Rest of Our Lives, by Annie Murphy Paul</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References:</strong>

Andrade, J. (2010). What does doodling do? Applied Cognitive Psychology 24, 100-106.

<hr />

Bobek, E., &amp; Tversky, B. (2016). Creating visual explanations improves learning. Cognitive Research: Principles and Implications 1, 27.

<hr />

Church, R.B. &amp; Goldin-Meadow, S. (1986). The mismatch between gesture and speech as an index of transitional knowledge. Cognition 23, 43-71.

<hr />

Fishburn, F.A., Murty, V., Hlutkowsky, C.O., MacGillivray, C.E., Bemis, L.M., Murphy, M.E., Huppert, T.J., &amp; Perlman, S.B. (2018). Putting our heads together: Interpersonal neural synchronization as a biological mechanism for shared intentionality. Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience 13(8), 841-849.

<hr />

Glenberg, A.M. (2011). How reading comprehension is embodied and why that matters. International Electronic Journal of Elementary Education 4(1), 5-18.

<hr />

Kandasamy, N., Garfinkel, S.N., Page, L., Hardy, B., Critchley, H.D., Gurnell, M., &amp; Coates, J.M. (2016). Interoceptive ability predicts survival on a London trading floor. Scientific Reports 6, 32986.

<hr />

Kelly, S.D., Singer, M., Hicks, J., &amp; Goldin-Meadow, S. (2002). A helping hand in assessing children’s knowledge: Instructing adults to attend to gesture. Cognition and Instruction 20(1), 1-26.

<hr />

Knight, C., &amp; Haslam, S.A. (2010). The relative merits of lean, enriched, and empowered offices: An experimental examination of the impact of workspace management strategies on well-being and productivity. Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied 16(2), 158-172.

<hr />

Kontra, C., Lyons, D.J., Fischer, S.M., &amp; Beilock, S.L. (2015). Physical experience enhances science learning. Psychological Science 26(6), 737-749.

<hr />

Langhanns, C., &amp; Muller, H. (2018). Effects of trying ‘not to move’ instruction on cortical load and concurrent cognitive performance. Psychological Research 82, 167-176.

<hr />

Link, T., Moeller, K., Huber, S., Fischer, U., &amp; Nuerk, H-K. (2015). Corrigendum to ‘Walk the number line – An embodied training of numerical concepts.’ Trends in Neuroscience and Education 4(4), 112.

<hr />

Link, T., Moeller, K., Huber, S., Fischer, U., &amp; Nuerk, H-K. (2013). Walk the number line – An embodied training of numerical concepts. Trends in Neuroscience and Education 2(2), 74-84.

<hr />

Lozada, M., &amp; Carro, N. (2016). Embodied action improves cognition in children: Evidence from a study based on Piagetian conservation tasks. Frontiers in Psychology 7, 393.

<hr />

Meagher, B.R. (2020). Ecologizing social psychology: The physical environment as a necessary constitutent of social processes. Personality and Social Psychology Review 24(1), 3-23.

<hr />

Mehta, R.K., Shortz, A.E., &amp; Benden, M.E. (2015). Standing up for learning: A pilot investigation on the neurocognitive benefits of stand-biased school desks. International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 13, 0059.

<hr />

Shteynberg, G. (2014). A social host in the machine? The case of group attention. Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition 3(4), 307-311.

<hr />

Zhang, T. (2017). Back to the beginning: Rediscovering inexperience helps experts give advice. Academy of Management Proceedings 2015-1, 15215.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/extendedmind]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ca2a28a0-0151-44a8-a0f4-d603fe18507b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/22618c4a-22a2-487f-b51c-dfe0b9005acd/143-extended-mind-final-converted.mp3" length="54638215" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>143</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>143</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/ae30d8bc-072e-4960-9936-7241415c3fae/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>142: Division of Responsibility with Ellyn Satter</title><itunes:title>142: Division of Responsibility with Ellyn Satter</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div>Do you worry that your child isn't eating enough...or is eating too much?</div>
<div></div>
<div>Do you wish they would eat a more balanced diet...but don't want to be the Vegetable Police?</div>
<div></div>
<div>Do you find yourself in constant negotiations over your child's favorite snacks?</div>
<div></div>
<div>You're not alone!</div>
<div></div>
<div>Join me for a conversation with Ellyn Satter MS, MSSW, author of many books including Child of Mine: Feeding With Love and Good Sense. Ms. Satter developed the approach to feeding children that's known as <a href="https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-feed/the-division-of-responsibility-in-feeding/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-feed/the-division-of-responsibility-in-feeding/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1628947467697000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGlock5nwBH__4Mbiuquu4tWIbBDg">Division of Responsibility</a>, which means that the parent is responsible for the what, when, and where of eating, and the child is responsible for whether and how much.</div>
<div></div>
<div>It all sounds pretty simple, but when you're actually navigating eating with your child it can seem a whole lot more complicated:</div>
<ul>
 	<li>Should we worry about our child's eating in the long term if they won't eat vegetables now?</li>
 	<li>Should we restrict access to children's food?</li>
 	<li>What should we do about picky eating?</li>
</ul><br/>
<div>Ms. Satter helps us to understand her ideas on these important questions and much more.</div>
<div></div>
<div>In the conversation we discussed some questions that you can answer to identify whether you are what Ms. Satter defines as Eating Competent:</div>
<div>

<em>Do you agree or disagree with these statements?</em>
<ul>
 	<li><em>I enjoy food and</em></li>
 	<li><em>I am comfortable with my enjoyment of food and</em></li>
 	<li><em>I take an interest in unfamiliar food.</em></li>
 	<li><em>I eat as much as I am hungry for.</em></li>
 	<li><em>I plan for feeding myself.</em></li>
</ul><br/>
<em>Agreeing with these statements indicates you are likely Eating Competent. Disagreeing means you are missing out on eating as one of life’s great pleasures and putting up with a lot of unnecessary misery. Do you have to be miserable to eat well and be healthy? Not at all. People who are <a href="https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/satter-eating-competence-model/">Eating Competent</a> eat better and are healthier: they weigh less, have better medical tests, and function better, emotionally and socially.</em>

</div>
&nbsp;

<strong>Ellyn Satter's Books:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3PmNW9k"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Child of Mine: Feeding with Love and Good Sense</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3ax56SM"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Secrets of Feeding a Healthy Family: How to Eat, How to Raise Good Eaters, How to Cook</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3RnNmd9">How to Get Your Kid to Eat: But Not Too Much</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Chang, S. (2019, December 4). Back to basics: All about MyPlate food groups. U.S. Department of Agriculture. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2017/09/26/back-basics-all-about-myplate-food-groups">https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2017/09/26/back-basics-all-about-myplate-food-groups</a>

<hr />

Cooke, L.J., Wardle, J., Gibson, E.L., Sapochnik, M., Sheiham, A., &amp; Lawson, M. (2003). Demographic, familial and trait predictors of fruit and vegetable consumption by pre-school children. Public Health Nutrition 7(2), 295-302.

<hr />

Curtin, S.C. (2019). Trends in cancer and heart disease death rates among adults aged 45-64: United States 1999-2017. National Vital Statistics Reports 68(5), 1-9. Retrieved from https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_05-508.pdf

<hr />

Fayet-Moore, F., McConnell, A., Cassettari, T., Tuck, K., Petocz, P., &amp; Kim, J. (2019). Vegetable intake in Australian children and adolescents: The importance of consumption frequency, eating occasion and its association with dietary and sociodemographic factors. Public Health Nutrition 23(3), 474-487.

<hr />

Fryar, C.D., Carroll, M.D., &amp; Attful, J. (2020). Prevalence of overweight, obesity, and severe obesity among adults aged 20 and over: United States, 1960-1962 through 2017-2018. National Center for Health Statistics https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/overweight-obesity-adults-H.pdf

<hr />

Jones, B.L. (2018). Making time for family meals: Parental influences, home eating environments, barriers and protective factors. Physiology &amp; Behavior 193, 248-251.

<hr />

Larson, N., &amp; Story, M. (2013). A review of snacking patterns among children and adolescents: What are the implications of snacking for weight status? Childhood obesity 9(2), 104-115.

<hr />

Satter, E. (2007). Hierarchy of food needs. Journal of Nutrition Education and Behavior 39(5), S187-S188.

<hr />

Satter, E. (2007). Eating competence: Definition and evidence for the Satter Eating Competence Model. Journal of Nutrition Education and Behavior 39(5), S142-S153.

<hr />

Satter, E.M. (1986). The feeding relationship. Journal of the American Dietetic Association 86, 352-356.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Do you worry that your child isn't eating enough...or is eating too much?</div>
<div></div>
<div>Do you wish they would eat a more balanced diet...but don't want to be the Vegetable Police?</div>
<div></div>
<div>Do you find yourself in constant negotiations over your child's favorite snacks?</div>
<div></div>
<div>You're not alone!</div>
<div></div>
<div>Join me for a conversation with Ellyn Satter MS, MSSW, author of many books including Child of Mine: Feeding With Love and Good Sense. Ms. Satter developed the approach to feeding children that's known as <a href="https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-feed/the-division-of-responsibility-in-feeding/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-feed/the-division-of-responsibility-in-feeding/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1628947467697000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGlock5nwBH__4Mbiuquu4tWIbBDg">Division of Responsibility</a>, which means that the parent is responsible for the what, when, and where of eating, and the child is responsible for whether and how much.</div>
<div></div>
<div>It all sounds pretty simple, but when you're actually navigating eating with your child it can seem a whole lot more complicated:</div>
<ul>
 	<li>Should we worry about our child's eating in the long term if they won't eat vegetables now?</li>
 	<li>Should we restrict access to children's food?</li>
 	<li>What should we do about picky eating?</li>
</ul><br/>
<div>Ms. Satter helps us to understand her ideas on these important questions and much more.</div>
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<div>In the conversation we discussed some questions that you can answer to identify whether you are what Ms. Satter defines as Eating Competent:</div>
<div>

<em>Do you agree or disagree with these statements?</em>
<ul>
 	<li><em>I enjoy food and</em></li>
 	<li><em>I am comfortable with my enjoyment of food and</em></li>
 	<li><em>I take an interest in unfamiliar food.</em></li>
 	<li><em>I eat as much as I am hungry for.</em></li>
 	<li><em>I plan for feeding myself.</em></li>
</ul><br/>
<em>Agreeing with these statements indicates you are likely Eating Competent. Disagreeing means you are missing out on eating as one of life’s great pleasures and putting up with a lot of unnecessary misery. Do you have to be miserable to eat well and be healthy? Not at all. People who are <a href="https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/satter-eating-competence-model/">Eating Competent</a> eat better and are healthier: they weigh less, have better medical tests, and function better, emotionally and socially.</em>

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<strong>Ellyn Satter's Books:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3PmNW9k"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Child of Mine: Feeding with Love and Good Sense</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3ax56SM"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Secrets of Feeding a Healthy Family: How to Eat, How to Raise Good Eaters, How to Cook</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3RnNmd9">How to Get Your Kid to Eat: But Not Too Much</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Chang, S. (2019, December 4). Back to basics: All about MyPlate food groups. U.S. Department of Agriculture. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2017/09/26/back-basics-all-about-myplate-food-groups">https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2017/09/26/back-basics-all-about-myplate-food-groups</a>

<hr />

Cooke, L.J., Wardle, J., Gibson, E.L., Sapochnik, M., Sheiham, A., &amp; Lawson, M. (2003). Demographic, familial and trait predictors of fruit and vegetable consumption by pre-school children. Public Health Nutrition 7(2), 295-302.

<hr />

Curtin, S.C. (2019). Trends in cancer and heart disease death rates among adults aged 45-64: United States 1999-2017. National Vital Statistics Reports 68(5), 1-9. Retrieved from https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_05-508.pdf

<hr />

Fayet-Moore, F., McConnell, A., Cassettari, T., Tuck, K., Petocz, P., &amp; Kim, J. (2019). Vegetable intake in Australian children and adolescents: The importance of consumption frequency, eating occasion and its association with dietary and sociodemographic factors. Public Health Nutrition 23(3), 474-487.

<hr />

Fryar, C.D., Carroll, M.D., &amp; Attful, J. (2020). Prevalence of overweight, obesity, and severe obesity among adults aged 20 and over: United States, 1960-1962 through 2017-2018. National Center for Health Statistics https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/overweight-obesity-adults-H.pdf

<hr />

Jones, B.L. (2018). Making time for family meals: Parental influences, home eating environments, barriers and protective factors. Physiology &amp; Behavior 193, 248-251.

<hr />

Larson, N., &amp; Story, M. (2013). A review of snacking patterns among children and adolescents: What are the implications of snacking for weight status? Childhood obesity 9(2), 104-115.

<hr />

Satter, E. (2007). Hierarchy of food needs. Journal of Nutrition Education and Behavior 39(5), S187-S188.

<hr />

Satter, E. (2007). Eating competence: Definition and evidence for the Satter Eating Competence Model. Journal of Nutrition Education and Behavior 39(5), S142-S153.

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&nbsp;

But I see a parallel between learning new skills and respectful parenting: I like to say that love between parent and child is necessary but not sufficient - and that respect is the missing ingredient.  With learning a new skill, knowledge is necessary - but not sufficient.

&nbsp;

And support is the missing ingredient.

&nbsp;

You might remember from our conversation with Dr. Chris Niebauer a while ago that our overactive left brains tend to make up stories about our experiences to integrate these experiences into the narratives we tell about ourselves.

&nbsp;

If we’re “the kind of person who triumphs through adversity,” a setback will be taken in stride.  If we’re “the kind of person who has been hurt,” each new individual hurt makes much more of a mark.  The new experiences have to be made to fit with the framework that’s already in place.

&nbsp;

Especially when you’re learning a skill related to difficult experiences you’ve had, your left brain wants to keep itself safe.  It might tell you: “I don’t need to do this.  Things aren’t that bad.  I’ll just wait until later / tomorrow / next week.”

&nbsp;

And when that happens, you need support.  That support can be from a great friend, although sometimes you don’t want even your closest friends to know that you shout at or smack your child.

&nbsp;

Therapy can be really helpful - but it’s also really expensive.

&nbsp;

Sometimes the thing that’s most helpful is someone who’s learning the tools alongside you (so they aren’t trying to look back and remember what it was like to be in your situation; theirs is different, but they are struggling too…) who isn’t a regular presence in your life.

&nbsp;

There’s no danger you’re going to run into them at the supermarket, or a kid’s birthday party.

&nbsp;

You can actually be really honest with them and know it won’t come and bite you in the butt.

&nbsp;

That’s what today’s guests, Marci and Elizabeth, discovered when they started working together.  Separated by cultural differences, fourteen(!) time zones, and very different lives, they found common ground in their struggles and have developed a deep and lasting friendship.

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&nbsp;

But I see a parallel between learning new skills and respectful parenting: I like to say that love between parent and child is necessary but not sufficient - and that respect is the missing ingredient.  With learning a new skill, knowledge is necessary - but not sufficient.

&nbsp;

And support is the missing ingredient.

&nbsp;

You might remember from our conversation with Dr. Chris Niebauer a while ago that our overactive left brains tend to make up stories about our experiences to integrate these experiences into the narratives we tell about ourselves.

&nbsp;

If we’re “the kind of person who triumphs through adversity,” a setback will be taken in stride.  If we’re “the kind of person who has been hurt,” each new individual hurt makes much more of a mark.  The new experiences have to be made to fit with the framework that’s already in place.

&nbsp;

Especially when you’re learning a skill related to difficult experiences you’ve had, your left brain wants to keep itself safe.  It might tell you: “I don’t need to do this.  Things aren’t that bad.  I’ll just wait until later / tomorrow / next week.”

&nbsp;

And when that happens, you need support.  That support can be from a great friend, although sometimes you don’t want even your closest friends to know that you shout at or smack your child.

&nbsp;

Therapy can be really helpful - but it’s also really expensive.

&nbsp;

Sometimes the thing that’s most helpful is someone who’s learning the tools alongside you (so they aren’t trying to look back and remember what it was like to be in your situation; theirs is different, but they are struggling too…) who isn’t a regular presence in your life.

&nbsp;

There’s no danger you’re going to run into them at the supermarket, or a kid’s birthday party.

&nbsp;

You can actually be really honest with them and know it won’t come and bite you in the butt.

&nbsp;

That’s what today’s guests, Marci and Elizabeth, discovered when they started working together.  Separated by cultural differences, fourteen(!) time zones, and very different lives, they found common ground in their struggles and have developed a deep and lasting friendship.

&nbsp;

If you’d like to work on taming your triggered feelings - and get help from your own Accountabuddy in the process - the Taming Your Triggers workshop is for you.

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&nbsp;

Yes, we feel it in our brains - we get scared, frustrated, and angry - often for reasons we don’t fully understand.

&nbsp;

But even if our brains have managed to cover up the trauma; to paper a veneer over it so everything seems fine, that doesn’t mean everything actually is fine - because as our guest in this episode, Dr. Bessel van der Kolk says: The Body Keeps The Score.

&nbsp;

What he means is that the effects of the trauma you’ve experienced don’t just go away, and can’t just be papered over.  Your body will still hold the evidence in tension, headaches, irritability (of minds and bowels), insomnia...and all of this may come out when your child does something you wish they wouldn’t.

&nbsp;

Perhaps it’s something your parent always used to resent doing, and made it super clear to you every time they did it for you.

&nbsp;

Perhaps it was something you did as a child and were punished for doing (maybe you were even hit for it...your body is literally remembering this trauma when your child reproduces the behavior).

&nbsp;

Lack of manners, talking back, making a mess, not doing as you were told, being silly...even if logically you now know that these are relatively small things, when your child does them it brings back your body’s memories of what happened to you.

&nbsp;

Dr. van der Kolk helps us to understand more about how this shows up for us.  Sometimes understanding can be really helpful.  But sometimes you also need new tools, and support as you learn them, and accountability.

&nbsp;

If you’re struggling with your reactions to your child’s difficult behavior - whether you’re going into fight, flight, freeze, or fawn mode, the <b>Taming Your Triggers wokrshop </b>can help.

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<h2><strong>Dr. Van der Kolk's Book:</strong></h2>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3c7jHET">The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Introducing Dr. van der Kolk</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:58 Invitation to the Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:56 A note on some technical difficulties we had while recording this episode</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:14 People often want easy answers: Talking about why we feel like we need pills and alcohol to deal with trauma and not make use of other methods which seem more beneficial</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:16 "We become who we are based on the experiences we had and these early experiences really set your expectations"</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:53 Dr. van der Kolk’s ongoing research on touch and trauma that looks into the virtually unstudied field of touch</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">14:42 To effectively deal with trauma, people need to discover who they are and find the words for their internal experiences</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:10 On mindfulness and yoga: the physical focus on movement in yoga may open up some space for mindfulness</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:45 Rolfing : opening up the body so that it is released from the configuration it adopted to deal with trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">23:07 The importance of words and finding somebody who can helps you to find words as cautiously as they can, without inflicting too much of their own value system on you</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">25:31 Dr. van der Kolk’s current agenda for kids to be taught to have a language for their internal experience</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">28:27 Two of the most important scientifically proven predictors of adult function</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:26 Dr. van der Kolk talks about Developmental Trauma Disorder</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">38:31 The power of peer and community support in healing trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">41:32 Wrapping up</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Grandmothers-Hands-Racialized-Pathway/dp/1942094477"><span style="font-weight: 400">My Grandmother's Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/No-Self-Problem-Neuropsychology-Catching/dp/1938289978"><span style="font-weight: 400">No Self, No Problem: How Neuropsychology Is Catching Up to Buddhism</span></a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

D’Andrea, W., Ford, J., Stolbach, B., Spinazzola, J., &amp; van der Kolk, B. (2012). Understanding interperonsal trauma in children: Why we need a developmentally appropriate trauma diagnosis. American Journal of Orthopsyhchiatry 82(2), 187-200.

<hr />

Goessl, V.C., Curtiss, J.E., &amp; Hofman, S.G. (2017). The effect of heart rate variability biofeedback training on stress and anxiety: A meta-analysis. Psychological Medicine 47, 2578-2586.

<hr />

Haines, S.K. (2019).The politics of trauma: Somatics, healing, and social justice. Berkeley: North Atlantic.

<hr />

Menachem, R. (2017). My grandmother’s hand: Racialized trauma and the pathway to mending our hearts and bodies. Las Vegas: Central Recovery Press.

<hr />

Miller, A. (2006). The body never lies: The lingering effects of hurtful parenting. New York: Norton.

<hr />

National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine (n.d.). Frontiers in the treatment of trauma: how to target treatment to help patients reclaim their lives after trauma. The Main Session with Bessel van der Kolk, MD and Ruth Buczynski, PhD. NICABM.

<hr />

Tippet, K. (2019, December 26). Bessel van der Kolk: How trauma lodges in the body. On Being. Retrieved from: https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-lodges-in-the-body/

<hr />

van der Kolk, B. (2017). Developmental trauma disorder: Toward a rational diagnosis for children with complex trauma histories. Psychiatric Annals 35(5), 401-408.

<hr />

van der Kolk, B. (2016). The devastating effects of ignoring child maltreatment in psychiatry: Commentary on “The enduring neurobiological effects of abuse and neglect.” Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 57(3), 267-270.

<hr />

van der Kolk, B.A., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial. Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.

<hr />

van der Kolk, B. (2014). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. New York: Penguin.

<hr />

van der Kolk, B., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial. Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.

<hr />

van der Kolk, B. (2006). Clinical implications of neuroscience research in PTSD. Annals – New York Academy of Sciences 1071(1), 277.

<hr />

van der Kolk, B., &amp; van der Hart, O. (1989). Pierre Janet &amp; the breakdown of adaptation in psychological trauma. American Journal of Psychiatry 146(12), 1530-1540.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[How does trauma affect us?

&nbsp;

Yes, we feel it in our brains - we get scared, frustrated, and angry - often for reasons we don’t fully understand.

&nbsp;

But even if our brains have managed to cover up the trauma; to paper a veneer over it so everything seems fine, that doesn’t mean everything actually is fine - because as our guest in this episode, Dr. Bessel van der Kolk says: The Body Keeps The Score.

&nbsp;

What he means is that the effects of the trauma you’ve experienced don’t just go away, and can’t just be papered over.  Your body will still hold the evidence in tension, headaches, irritability (of minds and bowels), insomnia...and all of this may come out when your child does something you wish they wouldn’t.

&nbsp;

Perhaps it’s something your parent always used to resent doing, and made it super clear to you every time they did it for you.

&nbsp;

Perhaps it was something you did as a child and were punished for doing (maybe you were even hit for it...your body is literally remembering this trauma when your child reproduces the behavior).

&nbsp;

Lack of manners, talking back, making a mess, not doing as you were told, being silly...even if logically you now know that these are relatively small things, when your child does them it brings back your body’s memories of what happened to you.

&nbsp;

Dr. van der Kolk helps us to understand more about how this shows up for us.  Sometimes understanding can be really helpful.  But sometimes you also need new tools, and support as you learn them, and accountability.

&nbsp;

If you’re struggling with your reactions to your child’s difficult behavior - whether you’re going into fight, flight, freeze, or fawn mode, the <b>Taming Your Triggers wokrshop </b>can help.

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<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3c7jHET">The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Introducing Dr. van der Kolk</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:58 Invitation to the Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:56 A note on some technical difficulties we had while recording this episode</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:14 People often want easy answers: Talking about why we feel like we need pills and alcohol to deal with trauma and not make use of other methods which seem more beneficial</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:16 "We become who we are based on the experiences we had and these early experiences really set your expectations"</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:53 Dr. van der Kolk’s ongoing research on touch and trauma that looks into the virtually unstudied field of touch</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">14:42 To effectively deal with trauma, people need to discover who they are and find the words for their internal experiences</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:10 On mindfulness and yoga: the physical focus on movement in yoga may open up some space for mindfulness</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:45 Rolfing : opening up the body so that it is released from the configuration it adopted to deal with trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">23:07 The importance of words and finding somebody who can helps you to find words as cautiously as they can, without inflicting too much of their own value system on you</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">25:31 Dr. van der Kolk’s current agenda for kids to be taught to have a language for their internal experience</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">28:27 Two of the most important scientifically proven predictors of adult function</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:26 Dr. van der Kolk talks about Developmental Trauma Disorder</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">38:31 The power of peer and community support in healing trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">41:32 Wrapping up</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Grandmothers-Hands-Racialized-Pathway/dp/1942094477"><span style="font-weight: 400">My Grandmother's Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/No-Self-Problem-Neuropsychology-Catching/dp/1938289978"><span style="font-weight: 400">No Self, No Problem: How Neuropsychology Is Catching Up to Buddhism</span></a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

D’Andrea, W., Ford, J., Stolbach, B., Spinazzola, J., &amp; van der Kolk, B. (2012). Understanding interperonsal trauma in children: Why we need a developmentally appropriate trauma diagnosis. American Journal of Orthopsyhchiatry 82(2), 187-200.

<hr />

Goessl, V.C., Curtiss, J.E., &amp; Hofman, S.G. (2017). The effect of heart rate variability biofeedback training on stress and anxiety: A meta-analysis. Psychological Medicine 47, 2578-2586.

<hr />

Haines, S.K. (2019).The politics of trauma: Somatics, healing, and social justice. Berkeley: North Atlantic.

<hr />

Menachem, R. (2017). My grandmother’s hand: Racialized trauma and the pathway to mending our hearts and bodies. Las Vegas: Central Recovery Press.

<hr />

Miller, A. (2006). The body never lies: The lingering effects of hurtful parenting. New York: Norton.

<hr />

National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine (n.d.). Frontiers in the treatment of trauma: how to target treatment to help patients reclaim their lives after trauma. The Main Session with Bessel van der Kolk, MD and Ruth Buczynski, PhD. NICABM.

<hr />

Tippet, K. (2019, December 26). Bessel van der Kolk: How trauma lodges in the body. On Being. Retrieved from: https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-lodges-in-the-body/

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van der Kolk, B. (2017). Developmental trauma disorder: Toward a rational diagnosis for children with complex trauma histories. Psychiatric Annals 35(5), 401-408.

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van der Kolk, B. (2016). The devastating effects of ignoring child maltreatment in psychiatry: Commentary on “The enduring neurobiological effects of abuse and neglect.” Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 57(3), 267-270.

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van der Kolk, B.A., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial. Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.

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van der Kolk, B. (2014). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. New York: Penguin.

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van der Kolk, B., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial. Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.

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van der Kolk, B. (2006). Clinical implications of neuroscience research in PTSD. Annals – New York Academy of Sciences 1071(1), 277.

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&nbsp;

My guest today, parent-of-three Chrystal, had encountered this mentality not just about her children, but also about her husband.  In fact, when she went to couple's therapy with her husband it was with a sense of relief: "Finally, I'm going to find out what's wrong with him, because there's nothing wrong with me!"

&nbsp;

She always figured: "If that person didn't act like that then I wouldn't need to react the way I'm reacting...and I legitimately thought that everyone else was responsible for my behavior."

&nbsp;

Then she realized that her husband wasn't responsible for how she was feeling...she was.

&nbsp;

Now she was ready to make the same leap related to her relationship with her spirited children, but needed new tools.  They would melt down over every tiny issue (not enough honey on the oatmeal!  Now not enough cream!  I don't WANT to get dressed!), and Chrystal found herself constantly scrambling to placate them.

&nbsp;

Join us for a conversation about the new ideas she's learned, and how her children now don't cooperate blindly because she's forcing them, but express their agency while finding ways to collaborate that also meet their needs.  They have real agency in her family (they know she'll hear them and respect their ideas) and because of this, the little issues that used to provoke regular meltdowns are easily solved.  And Chrystal is learning how to set boundaries so she doesn't get walked all over - by her children, or by other members of her family.

&nbsp;

Want to make a similar shift in your own interactions with your children?  The<strong> Taming Your Triggers workshop</strong> will help.

&nbsp;

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<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Inviting listeners to join the Taming Your Triggers workshop</span>

04:43 A little bit about Chrystal

11:06 Chrystal’s journey as a parent

13:58 How Chrystal found it difficult to build lasting relationships with parents who were raising their children the same way they were raised and how she found her people in the Taming Your Triggers community.

16:32 The fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses and how Chrystal resonated to the fawn response.

18:22 The first time Chrystal was able to connect what she’s feeling in her body with her belief systems

20:36 As the eldest of eight children, Chrystal felt that it was her responsibility to make sure everyone is happy when her mother couldn’t cope due to severe postnatal depression, and this has continued on with her character now that they’ve grown up

24:51  When Chrystal decided to set boundaries and have it respected, she found out that her family’s issues can resolve themselves without her getting involved

28:14 The profound shift with for Chrystal in terms of what changed in her family after going through the Taming Your Triggers workshop is that she is now able to see situations as more than a win-lose situation

32:20 With two strong-willed daughters and a son who is also energetic, breakfast has been a challenge in Chrystal’s home. She’s learned to apply problem solving to find solutions, but the biggest revelation for her has been that it is okay for her children to have these big feelings

38:15 Chrystal explores the question, “Why should our children listen to us?” as she discovers extrinsic and intrinsic motivation

38:55 A beautiful moment when Chrystal was having a hard time getting her daughter ready for school, and another instance when she was having some friend over their house

47:08 Having the tools is great but it is just better to have a framework to implement it and really being intentional

51:20 Wrapping up with a sense of compassion.

&nbsp;

<strong>Resources mentioned in this episode:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/">Taming Your Triggers workshop</a></li><li><span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.upbringing.co/">Upbringing</a>with Hannah &amp; Kelty</span></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/nvc/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Nonviolent Communication Podcast Episode</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Brain-Child-Revolutionary-Strategies-Developing/dp/0553386697">The Whole-Brain Child: 12 Revolutionary Strategies to Nurture Your Child's Developing Mind</a>, by Daniel Siegel</li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When we're having a hard time interacting with our family members, it's pretty common for our first reaction to be: "I need this person (or these people!) to change their behavior" - especially when this person (or these people!) are children.  After all, we've been around for longer and we know what we're doing and we were fine before our children started misbehaving, right?

&nbsp;

My guest today, parent-of-three Chrystal, had encountered this mentality not just about her children, but also about her husband.  In fact, when she went to couple's therapy with her husband it was with a sense of relief: "Finally, I'm going to find out what's wrong with him, because there's nothing wrong with me!"

&nbsp;

She always figured: "If that person didn't act like that then I wouldn't need to react the way I'm reacting...and I legitimately thought that everyone else was responsible for my behavior."

&nbsp;

Then she realized that her husband wasn't responsible for how she was feeling...she was.

&nbsp;

Now she was ready to make the same leap related to her relationship with her spirited children, but needed new tools.  They would melt down over every tiny issue (not enough honey on the oatmeal!  Now not enough cream!  I don't WANT to get dressed!), and Chrystal found herself constantly scrambling to placate them.

&nbsp;

Join us for a conversation about the new ideas she's learned, and how her children now don't cooperate blindly because she's forcing them, but express their agency while finding ways to collaborate that also meet their needs.  They have real agency in her family (they know she'll hear them and respect their ideas) and because of this, the little issues that used to provoke regular meltdowns are easily solved.  And Chrystal is learning how to set boundaries so she doesn't get walked all over - by her children, or by other members of her family.

&nbsp;

Want to make a similar shift in your own interactions with your children?  The<strong> Taming Your Triggers workshop</strong> will help.

&nbsp;

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<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 Inviting listeners to join the Taming Your Triggers workshop</span>

04:43 A little bit about Chrystal

11:06 Chrystal’s journey as a parent

13:58 How Chrystal found it difficult to build lasting relationships with parents who were raising their children the same way they were raised and how she found her people in the Taming Your Triggers community.

16:32 The fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses and how Chrystal resonated to the fawn response.

18:22 The first time Chrystal was able to connect what she’s feeling in her body with her belief systems

20:36 As the eldest of eight children, Chrystal felt that it was her responsibility to make sure everyone is happy when her mother couldn’t cope due to severe postnatal depression, and this has continued on with her character now that they’ve grown up

24:51  When Chrystal decided to set boundaries and have it respected, she found out that her family’s issues can resolve themselves without her getting involved

28:14 The profound shift with for Chrystal in terms of what changed in her family after going through the Taming Your Triggers workshop is that she is now able to see situations as more than a win-lose situation

32:20 With two strong-willed daughters and a son who is also energetic, breakfast has been a challenge in Chrystal’s home. She’s learned to apply problem solving to find solutions, but the biggest revelation for her has been that it is okay for her children to have these big feelings

38:15 Chrystal explores the question, “Why should our children listen to us?” as she discovers extrinsic and intrinsic motivation

38:55 A beautiful moment when Chrystal was having a hard time getting her daughter ready for school, and another instance when she was having some friend over their house

47:08 Having the tools is great but it is just better to have a framework to implement it and really being intentional

51:20 Wrapping up with a sense of compassion.

&nbsp;

<strong>Resources mentioned in this episode:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/">Taming Your Triggers workshop</a></li><li><span style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.upbringing.co/">Upbringing</a>with Hannah &amp; Kelty</span></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/nvc/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Nonviolent Communication Podcast Episode</span></a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Brain-Child-Revolutionary-Strategies-Developing/dp/0553386697">The Whole-Brain Child: 12 Revolutionary Strategies to Nurture Your Child's Developing Mind</a>, by Daniel Siegel</li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/chrystal]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">dc61fb1b-4f1a-42d4-9ad9-affb4338c7d0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/818bfc9f-65c7-4988-bad4-ef080f0b7214/SYPM-13-EDITED-converted.mp3" length="51549670" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/9d2ce9b2-82df-45a0-aa5d-cdec0548c98b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>140: Mythbusting about fat and BMI with Dr. Lindo Bacon</title><itunes:title>140: Mythbusting about fat and BMI with Dr. Lindo Bacon</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="color: windowtext">This episode kicks off a series on the intersection of parenting and food.</span>

<span style="color: windowtext"> </span>

We begin today with a conversation with Dr. Lindo Bacon, where we bust a LOT of myths about the obesity epidemic that is said to be plaguing people in the United States and other countries that follow a similar diet.

&nbsp;

The messaging we get from government entities seems pretty simple: being fat is bad for you. It causes increased risk for a host of diseases as well as early death. If you're fat, you should lose weight because then your risk of getting these diseases and dying early will be reduced.

&nbsp;

<em>But what if this wasn't true?</em>

&nbsp;

What if this messaging had been established by people who own companies that manufacture weight loss products who sit on panels that advise international governmental entities like the World Health Organization?

&nbsp;

What if body fat was actually protective for your health?

&nbsp;

We dig into all these questions and more in this provocative interview.

&nbsp;

We'll continue this series with episodes looking specifically at sugar, as well as supporting parents who have or continue to struggle with disordered eating, and how to support children in developing eating habits that will serve them for a lifetime, not just get the vegetables into them today.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(01:00) Introducing Dr. Lindo Bacon and starting our series of episodes on the intersection of parenting and food</span></li>
 	<li>(02:22) Stripping the word ‘fat’ of it’s pejorative meaning and reclaiming the term while acknowledging that it may be jarring for some people</li>
 	<li>(03:09) Kicking off the conversation with how we measure health using BMI and how it might not be accurate</li>
 	<li>(05:03) The resistance to Katherine Flegal’s seminal research in weight and longevity</li>
 	<li>(05:49) The development of the Body Mass Index was with scientific bias to fit the bell curve</li>
 	<li>(07:30) Higher body weight does not necessarily mean a person has greater risk of poor health</li>
 	<li>(10:59) We actually know that the research is highly exaggerated in terms on the role that it plays on health</li>
 	<li>(13:16) Dr. Bacon’s turning point: When they found out that BMI recommendations were created by an organization funded by pharmaceutical companies who produce weight loss drugs and products</li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(17:35) Taking the issue one step further with the American Medical Association’s recommendation whether to categorize obesity as a disease or not</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(19:19) The Obesity Paradox is an observation in the research that people who are obese who get the same diseases as those with ‘normal’ weight are living longer</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(21:15) The concept of dieting just doesn’t work according to the data</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(30:33) A story of Dr. Bacon’s and their father’s knee problems</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(34:40) Individual factors only accounts to 25% to somebody’s total health outcomes and social determinants account to about 60%</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(42:05) It is cool right now to be your authentic self but not everyone can so easily be their authentic self when their authentic selves are not valued by society at large</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(45:48) Improving the health of individuals is more communal than individual</span></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Resource Links:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Health-At-Every-Size-Surprising/dp/1935618253/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Health+at+Every+Size+by+lindo+bacon&amp;qid=1625316371&amp;sr=8-1">Health at Every Size</a>, by Lindo Bacon</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Respect-Conventional-Health-Understand/dp/1940363195/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Body+Respect+by+lindo+bacon&amp;qid=1625316563&amp;sr=8-1">Body Respect: What Conventional Health Books Get Wrong, Leave Out, and Just Plain Fail to Understand about Weight</a>, by Lindo Bacon and Lucy Aphramor</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Belonging-Survive-Thrive-Transforming-ebook/dp/B084HK4BT5/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Radical+Belonging&amp;qid=1625316690&amp;sr=8-1">Radical Belonging: How to Survive and Thrive in an Unjust World (While Transforming it for the Better)</a>, by Lindo Bacon</li>
 	<li><a href="https://asdah.org/">Association For Size Diversity and Health</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. I'm very excited about our episode today because we're at the very beginning of what I hope is going to be quite an extended series of episodes at the intersection of parenting and food. And I'm hoping to look at ideas like eating disorders and intuitive eating and how sugar impacts our children and what we should do about that, if anything, how we should approach eating issues with our children more broadly and how we can all be a little bit happier in our bodies. And today we're kicking off this series with Dr. Lindo Bacon whose seminal book Health at Every Size was written over a decade ago now and which exposes how the ideas that most of us believe about body fat and weight are actually not grounded in scientific research. She followed that by co-authoring a book called Body Respect, and her most recent book is called Radical Belonging: How to Survive and Thrive in an Unjust World (While Transforming it for the Better). Dr. Bacon earned their PhD in physiology from the University of California Davis, where they currently serve as an Associate Nutritionist. They also hold graduate degrees in Psychology and Exercise Metabolism. Dr. Bacon is industry independent, which means they have pledged not to accept money from the weight loss, pharmaceutical or food industries, which makes them almost unique among non governmental researchers on issues related to weight and food. Welcome, Dr. Bacon. I'm so glad you're here.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>02:20

Thanks, Jen. I'm looking forward to talking to you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:22

And before we get started, I just want to acknowledge that I'm going to follow your lead in your books by using the word fat in this interview and using that in a way that's really been stripped of its pejorative connotations. And many people it seems who are fat, who are now reclaiming the term in this way. But I do acknowledge that it may be jarring to some listeners to hear if they aren't accustomed to hearing it like that.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>02:45

Yeah, I think it's important to name all of that. So thank you, Jen. And I also just want to note for the listeners that if you do feel uncomfortable when you hear the word, then that's something helpful to look at, because that really shows that you've absorbed the cultural ideas about that. And hopefully, we can start to normalize it so that you could feel better about it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:09

Yeah, and hopefully this conversation is going to be a big part of that as well. So I wonder if we can start at the beginning with what I know is a big topic as it were, which is how we measure health. And so this body mass index, or BMI for short, has become the standard measure of how much weight a person is carrying compared to their height. And it's best considered an indicator of how healthy they are in some way. And it's used by everybody from the Centers for Disease Control in the US to the World Health Organization. Is the BMI actually a good measure - I guess I should start by saying of anything at all and then we can go from there and to health.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>03:47

You right. I think that your question already answered itself, but it really does not play much of a role in health at all. And I think that its use has been quite damaging to people. So I wish that the medical industry would throw it out.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>04:03

Yeah. So where did it come from? How did we end up here?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>04:07

Well, it actually was written by or devised by someone who was a statistician looking at insurance, and that it wasn't meant or designed for health. And it was meant to look at what's going on in a population, not what's going on in an individual. And it's amazing when you start to look at the research of how it corresponds to health and you find some really surprising things. For example, it's pretty clear from the...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="color: windowtext">This episode kicks off a series on the intersection of parenting and food.</span>

<span style="color: windowtext"> </span>

We begin today with a conversation with Dr. Lindo Bacon, where we bust a LOT of myths about the obesity epidemic that is said to be plaguing people in the United States and other countries that follow a similar diet.

&nbsp;

The messaging we get from government entities seems pretty simple: being fat is bad for you. It causes increased risk for a host of diseases as well as early death. If you're fat, you should lose weight because then your risk of getting these diseases and dying early will be reduced.

&nbsp;

<em>But what if this wasn't true?</em>

&nbsp;

What if this messaging had been established by people who own companies that manufacture weight loss products who sit on panels that advise international governmental entities like the World Health Organization?

&nbsp;

What if body fat was actually protective for your health?

&nbsp;

We dig into all these questions and more in this provocative interview.

&nbsp;

We'll continue this series with episodes looking specifically at sugar, as well as supporting parents who have or continue to struggle with disordered eating, and how to support children in developing eating habits that will serve them for a lifetime, not just get the vegetables into them today.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(01:00) Introducing Dr. Lindo Bacon and starting our series of episodes on the intersection of parenting and food</span></li>
 	<li>(02:22) Stripping the word ‘fat’ of it’s pejorative meaning and reclaiming the term while acknowledging that it may be jarring for some people</li>
 	<li>(03:09) Kicking off the conversation with how we measure health using BMI and how it might not be accurate</li>
 	<li>(05:03) The resistance to Katherine Flegal’s seminal research in weight and longevity</li>
 	<li>(05:49) The development of the Body Mass Index was with scientific bias to fit the bell curve</li>
 	<li>(07:30) Higher body weight does not necessarily mean a person has greater risk of poor health</li>
 	<li>(10:59) We actually know that the research is highly exaggerated in terms on the role that it plays on health</li>
 	<li>(13:16) Dr. Bacon’s turning point: When they found out that BMI recommendations were created by an organization funded by pharmaceutical companies who produce weight loss drugs and products</li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(17:35) Taking the issue one step further with the American Medical Association’s recommendation whether to categorize obesity as a disease or not</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(19:19) The Obesity Paradox is an observation in the research that people who are obese who get the same diseases as those with ‘normal’ weight are living longer</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(21:15) The concept of dieting just doesn’t work according to the data</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(30:33) A story of Dr. Bacon’s and their father’s knee problems</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(34:40) Individual factors only accounts to 25% to somebody’s total health outcomes and social determinants account to about 60%</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(42:05) It is cool right now to be your authentic self but not everyone can so easily be their authentic self when their authentic selves are not valued by society at large</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(45:48) Improving the health of individuals is more communal than individual</span></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Resource Links:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Health-At-Every-Size-Surprising/dp/1935618253/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Health+at+Every+Size+by+lindo+bacon&amp;qid=1625316371&amp;sr=8-1">Health at Every Size</a>, by Lindo Bacon</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Respect-Conventional-Health-Understand/dp/1940363195/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Body+Respect+by+lindo+bacon&amp;qid=1625316563&amp;sr=8-1">Body Respect: What Conventional Health Books Get Wrong, Leave Out, and Just Plain Fail to Understand about Weight</a>, by Lindo Bacon and Lucy Aphramor</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Belonging-Survive-Thrive-Transforming-ebook/dp/B084HK4BT5/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Radical+Belonging&amp;qid=1625316690&amp;sr=8-1">Radical Belonging: How to Survive and Thrive in an Unjust World (While Transforming it for the Better)</a>, by Lindo Bacon</li>
 	<li><a href="https://asdah.org/">Association For Size Diversity and Health</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:29

If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a free guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen To You and What to Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. I'm very excited about our episode today because we're at the very beginning of what I hope is going to be quite an extended series of episodes at the intersection of parenting and food. And I'm hoping to look at ideas like eating disorders and intuitive eating and how sugar impacts our children and what we should do about that, if anything, how we should approach eating issues with our children more broadly and how we can all be a little bit happier in our bodies. And today we're kicking off this series with Dr. Lindo Bacon whose seminal book Health at Every Size was written over a decade ago now and which exposes how the ideas that most of us believe about body fat and weight are actually not grounded in scientific research. She followed that by co-authoring a book called Body Respect, and her most recent book is called Radical Belonging: How to Survive and Thrive in an Unjust World (While Transforming it for the Better). Dr. Bacon earned their PhD in physiology from the University of California Davis, where they currently serve as an Associate Nutritionist. They also hold graduate degrees in Psychology and Exercise Metabolism. Dr. Bacon is industry independent, which means they have pledged not to accept money from the weight loss, pharmaceutical or food industries, which makes them almost unique among non governmental researchers on issues related to weight and food. Welcome, Dr. Bacon. I'm so glad you're here.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>02:20

Thanks, Jen. I'm looking forward to talking to you.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:22

And before we get started, I just want to acknowledge that I'm going to follow your lead in your books by using the word fat in this interview and using that in a way that's really been stripped of its pejorative connotations. And many people it seems who are fat, who are now reclaiming the term in this way. But I do acknowledge that it may be jarring to some listeners to hear if they aren't accustomed to hearing it like that.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>02:45

Yeah, I think it's important to name all of that. So thank you, Jen. And I also just want to note for the listeners that if you do feel uncomfortable when you hear the word, then that's something helpful to look at, because that really shows that you've absorbed the cultural ideas about that. And hopefully, we can start to normalize it so that you could feel better about it.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:09

Yeah, and hopefully this conversation is going to be a big part of that as well. So I wonder if we can start at the beginning with what I know is a big topic as it were, which is how we measure health. And so this body mass index, or BMI for short, has become the standard measure of how much weight a person is carrying compared to their height. And it's best considered an indicator of how healthy they are in some way. And it's used by everybody from the Centers for Disease Control in the US to the World Health Organization. Is the BMI actually a good measure - I guess I should start by saying of anything at all and then we can go from there and to health.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>03:47

You right. I think that your question already answered itself, but it really does not play much of a role in health at all. And I think that its use has been quite damaging to people. So I wish that the medical industry would throw it out.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>04:03

Yeah. So where did it come from? How did we end up here?

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>04:07

Well, it actually was written by or devised by someone who was a statistician looking at insurance, and that it wasn't meant or designed for health. And it was meant to look at what's going on in a population, not what's going on in an individual. And it's amazing when you start to look at the research of how it corresponds to health and you find some really surprising things. For example, it's pretty clear from the research that that the people that are in that category we call overweight are the people that are living longest. Most research studies are showing that and the people that are in the obese category, most of them are living as long as people in the normal weight category, or the I'm sorry that we call normal wait.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>05:03

Yeah

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>05:03

Right. And it's only really at the very extremes that you start to see things that are different. Mm hmm. And but yet, the end, there was an expose a that was actually published just a few days ago by a former CDC researcher, who was her name was Katherine Flegal, and she actually did some of the seminal research in weight and longevity. And the history she said, of how she was shut down, and how all of people in industry were trying to discredit her, it was just amazing to see how much resistance she ran up against, and how people fought her.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>05:49

Yeah, it's, I think that that seems to be quite pervasive. And I think we're gonna talk some more about how political issues impact the way that we think about these things. But I just want to really be crystal clear about this, we were talking about somebody who was a statistician who developed the original idea of the BMI and was looking to understand and define the characteristics of normal man. And we can insert the word white in the middle of there I assume. And fitting that distribution around the norm. He wasn't, you know, he's not looking to understand an individual person's health. He's trying to find this statistically interesting relationship that fits the bell curve. And somehow we've latched on to this idea, and we're using it to try to say whether an individual person is healthy or not?

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>06:38

Right? I know, it's really interesting. I think about, like, if you did a height curve, you would come up with the same bell curve. And I would be all the way the extreme end in the 5%, because I'm rather short. But obviously, that doesn't indicate disease. You know, it's just, there will be some people who are on the extremes of the bell curve. That's the nature of bell curves.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>07:04

Right. Yeah, somebody has to be there. Okay. And so I'm wondering if we can look at this sort of commonly accepted wisdom that people with higher body weight have a greater risk of poor health, and you've already sort of indicated implied and mentioned that that's not necessarily the truth.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>07:23

Right.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>07:24

What's going on here? Why is the commonly accepted idea different from what the research is actually showing us?

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>07:30

Right. Well, as I mentioned, with the suppression of the researcher, who came up with this, one of the things that was fascinating to me in that was, nobody debated her with actual data that challenged it. It was more just, you know, like, they didn't want it out. Right. And that that was what was fascinating. And still to this day, you'll see almost regular reports in the media about how damaging that is. And one of the things that I want to suggest is that every time we see a new research study, we've got a look at whether our belief system is so strongly entrenched, that we see through that lens, and we can't really see our data anymore. And that's what's happening. So for example, if you have a research study that shows that the majority of people that have diabetes are fat, then they'll make the conclusion that if you're fat, you're going to get diabetes. Right. And we do, in fact, have that research that shows that, but that research doesn't demonstrate that it's the fat that's causing the disease. There could be other mitigating factors that play a role. For example, there's one obvious factor that's going to play a role. And that's that the people that are fatter meet up with a lot of weight stigma, people don't treat them as well. And we know from the research that when people are stigmatized and disrespected, it wreaks havoc in their body and increases health problems. So it's very clear that that's an example of something that's a contributor, and we can come up with a lot of other contributors. But when we start to kind of tease everything out, we just don't have solid research that shows that it's causative of most of the diseases for which it's blamed.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>09:39

Yeah, and I think that's such a super important point that there is a ton of evidence linking these two things, they are correlated, they vary together. And then there's, there are fun things you can find online to find completely unrelated things that happened to be co-correlated and you know, things that are wildly, wildly unrelated and could never be connected and they're correlated. So they must be, you know, one must cause the other right? When no that's not the case. It's entirely possible that diabetes may be maybe a contributing factor to increase body weight. That one of the other factors may be causing the body weight. We just don't know. I mean, I mean, and that's not the story we're told, right? The story we're told is, if you get fat, you're going to get these chronic diseases.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:28

Right.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>10:29

And just to throw in a kind of a funny story there, I actually saw research that was showing that there are more drownings that happen among people that eat ice cream. Right.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:44

I'm never eating ice cream again.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>10:44

Which doesn't make sense. You eat ice cream in the summer and you're more likely to be in the water. Right. But it's not the ice cream that's causing the drowning.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:53

Yeah, thank you.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>10:55

That's just an example that shows that.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:58

Thank you for that.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>10:59

And I should also say that we actually do know a lot about this, that the research that has tried to tease out a lot of these things, find that it is highly exaggerated in terms of the role that it plays in health. And so that's very clear from the research. But, of course, it's not what people are saying. And I think every time we see a disconnect between what's commonly believed, and what this data actually shows us that one of the big reasons that's going to underlie that is you have to ask, well, who benefits from us not understanding. And there is a huge industry of people that are making money off of our body hatred. It's not just the diet industry and certain aspects of the health industry and the bariatric surgeons, but it's also people that sell cars, can sell them off of the ability that you're going to be sexy, and, you know, fine, and everybody's gonna want you if you drive this car. So everybody seems to capitalize on our insecurity in order to make money. The more we hate ourselves, the more they can use it.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>12:22

Yeah, okay, so let's follow that thread for a minute, then, because there are some super concrete pieces to this as well and around following the money, which is a big reason that I wanted to talk to you, because you do not accept money from outside sources that are affiliated with the industry. And it seems pretty clear that when you look at research that's funded by industries, you know, soft drinks and juice and milk, the results are four to eight times more likely to be favorable to the funders product than when that study is not funded by the manufacturer of the product. And the same goes for the drug trials. And a lot of the weight loss drug papers, you know, the scientific papers are written by the very company that is trying to sell us this medicine. They supply the text to the researchers, and then the researchers publish it. It's almost mind boggling the extent to which this infiltrates what we think of as value neutral science.

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<strong>Dr. Lindo Bacon  </strong>13:16

Right? And I tell you, it makes my job hard because I'm a scientist, right. I'm supposed to be looking at data. And I don't trust most of the research that's coming out, because I know what goes on behind the scenes and how much manipulation there is. And I'll give you an example of this, because I think it's really helpful to see and it's about BMI. And the reason I'm going to give this example is because it really marks the turning point in my career and why I'm talking about these issues today. So I'm going to take you back to 1998 when I was getting my PhD in physiology, with a specialty in weight science. And there was one magical day in June I forget the the actual date that millions of Americans, I think it was 21 million Americans went to bed and normal healthy bodies. And they woke up the next day with a medical designation of being fat and a prescription that they're supposed to try to lose weight. And that wasn't because everybody gained weight overnight. That was because the government lowered our standards for what they would be calling overweight and obesity. Now, I was shocked that they did that, because I was in the middle of my literature review. And what I was seeing was that if anything, we should majorly raise those numbers, not lower them. So I wanted to look at why they did what they did. And I found out which group had devised the government on this and a lot of the advice that they took came from the National Institute of Health advisory panel. And fortunately, I knew somebody that was on that. And I called]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/eating]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">735ea9fa-929f-43d1-921c-2c4704a7eee5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/061dabd6-0454-447c-8bdf-22b4c8c82d69/your-parenting-mojo-lindo-bacon.mp3" length="53164745" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>139: How to keep your child safe from guns (even if you don’t own one)</title><itunes:title>How to keep your child safe from guns (even if you don&apos;t own one)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Many of us haven't been in each other's homes for a while now, but pretty soon we'll be getting together inside again.  And our children will be heading inside, in their friends' houses.

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People store guns inside.

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Are you <em>certain </em>that nobody owns a gun in any of the places your child plays?

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If they do own a gun, are you <em>certain</em> they store it safely?

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If not, you need to ask.

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That's one issue we discuss in this interview with Dr. Nina Agrawal, a board-certified pediatrician who has expertise in violence against children.  She co-founded the Gun Safety Committee for the American Academy of Pediatrics in New York State, and is leading the Gun Violence Prevention Task Force for the American Medical Women’s Association.

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Another issue is the gun violence that is primarily faced by children of color, which turns out to affect a far greater number of children.

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And how is this all linked to the Peloton recall?  You'll have to listen in to find out...

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<strong>Jump to highlights here:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li>(01:00) Indoor playdates are ramping up...will your child be safe?</li>
 	<li>(02:29) Introducing Dr. Nina Agrawal, pediatrician and co-founder of the American Academy of Pediatrics' Gun Safety Committee in New York State</li>
 	<li>(02:58) Understanding how big is the scope of gun violence against children</li>
 	<li>(06:15) The Dickey Amendment: Explaining the massive lack of data and research on gun violence and safety</li>
 	<li>(11:24) The ways that gun violence affects children that we might not expect</li>
 	<li>(12:32) <em>“I get woken up at night to the sound of gunshots.”</em></li>
 	<li>(17:09) The racial disparity in how children are affected by gun violence</li>
 	<li>(20:46) More people purchased guns in 2020, and there are more first-time owners too</li>
 	<li>(23:39) The statistical likelihood of children coming to harm if they live with a firearm in their household</li>
 	<li>(27:00) Just telling kids not to touch guns doesn't work (even if you think of your child as one who is 'sensible,' and you've talked with them about gun safety)</li>
 	<li>(30:45) The Asking Saves Kids Campaign helps to keep kids safer</li>
 	<li>(33:06) The surprising link between children involved in gun violence and the Peloton treadmill recall</li>
 	<li>(36:07) In American culture, banning all guns can't be the answer</li>
 	<li>(40:52) Effective Child Access Laws</li>
 	<li>(41:45) How to create safer environments for children through building communities</li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:06

We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research on principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a free guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen To You &amp; What To Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. And today we're going to discuss a topic that I think is about to come into parents' consciousness in a way that it really hasn't as much over the last year. And for some of us, that's a result of our privilege. And I was reflecting that as vaccinations for children become more available, we're probably going to start moving towards indoor play dates without parents being around because when my daughter went into when we went into sort of lockdown, she was young enough that she wasn't really doing playdates indoors with other people in anyone else's houses. And so I never really felt as though I needed to ask, "Are there guns in your house?" because I was always there to supervise. And so of course, over the last year, she's played with a lot of kids on our street, and they're always outside and I can always hear them. And so the danger doesn't seem to be there in the same way for me in those outdoor playdates scenarios. But of course, as vaccinations become available, and these things start to move inside, I don't know which of my friends has guns in their houses. And if I'm kind of uncomfortable asking about this, I'm guessing that a lot of parents haven't even thought about it and don't have it on their collective radar yet. So I wanted to bring that up into our consciousness before we actually need it. And then, of course, there's another issue here as well, that we're going to delve into fairly deeply today, which is that gun violence is becoming increasingly common in a wide variety of settings that children live in and are exposed to, and that this can have really big impacts on them. And that that isn't necessarily talked about or studied nearly as much.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:29

And we have a very special guest here with us today to talk about these issues. Dr. Nina Agrawal. She's a pediatrician who is board certified in Child Abuse Pediatrics, and she has expertise in Violence Against Children. She was on the faculty at Columbia University in Child and Adolescent Health. She co-founded the Gun Safety Committee for the American Academy of Pediatrics in New York State, and she's leading the Gun Violence Prevention Task Force for the American Women's Association. Welcome Dr. Agrawal.

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<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>02:56

Thank you so much for having me, Jen.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:58

All right. So I wonder if we can maybe start by just understanding how big is the scope of this problem, and piggybacking on that, how much do we know about how big is the scope of this problem, and why don't we know as much as we might want to know?

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<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>03:12

Right, great question. Right now, guns are the leading cause of death in children 1 to 19 years of age. Before it was motor vehicle accidents.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:22

Yeah.

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<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>03:23

Now it's firearm. So it's something that's a health issue. It's a public health issue. It's a safety issue affecting all children.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:34

Okay. And yeah, I actually hadn't seen those latest statistics, the peer reviewed papers I was looking at from 2018 still showed it in that number two position, so. So that's an unfortunate development over the last couple of years that that position has switched then. And it doesn't affect everybody equally, right? It affects some children more than others.

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<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>03:53

Yes, definitely. Racially, it affects Black children disproportionately. Blacks, and then Hispanics, and then White children.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>04:00

Okay. And I noticed that actually, the way that this data is collected, we might think, Oh, it's fairly easy to understand how prevalent this kind of thing is, how prevalent injuries are. And actually, there's a couple of different ways of estimating it. But the most common way is using data from the Centers for Disease Control, which is sampled from 100 hospitals. And I'm just thinking, Okay, there are 1000s of trauma centers that are dealing with this kind of thing. Can a sample of 100 hospitals give us a complete picture of what the actual prevalence rates for this are?

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<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>04:34

Right? Yeah, as with a lot of injuries in children, it's a combination of hospital data and mass data and media. We're increasingly using media data. There's a gun violence archive that looks at shootings in communities, and then the CDC data. I think one of the problems with the CDC data is that it doesn't include non fatal injuries and only includes fatal injuries. So we're missing a lot of children who suffered non fatal injuries and understanding those so that we can prevent them.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>05:09

Yeah. Okay. And I think when a lot of parents think about guns, one thing that they may be most kind of afraid of the immediate fear is of a mass shooting. Because there's get so much publicity, right? Is that the thing that we should be the most afraid of statistically speaking?

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<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>05:25

Statistically, definitely not. It's 1% of shootings. So much more common is homicide, and suicide, and unintentional injuries. And then mass shootings are a small percentage, but they gain the most immediate attention. And because again, the most immediate attention, they gain the most resources - prevention resources. And so we have children dying every day from homicide and suicide and yet, we're really not devoting the investing in prevention of deaths in those children due to firearms.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>06:00

Yeah, okay. And I think a big reason why we're not investing as much in the pieces of this that really matter are that we don't understand it well enough. And there's a reason we don't understand much about gun violence, right? Can you tell us about that reason.

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<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>06:15

I love telling the story. It's a story that's not known and once people...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Many of us haven't been in each other's homes for a while now, but pretty soon we'll be getting together inside again.  And our children will be heading inside, in their friends' houses.

&nbsp;

People store guns inside.

&nbsp;

Are you <em>certain </em>that nobody owns a gun in any of the places your child plays?

&nbsp;

If they do own a gun, are you <em>certain</em> they store it safely?

&nbsp;

If not, you need to ask.

&nbsp;

That's one issue we discuss in this interview with Dr. Nina Agrawal, a board-certified pediatrician who has expertise in violence against children.  She co-founded the Gun Safety Committee for the American Academy of Pediatrics in New York State, and is leading the Gun Violence Prevention Task Force for the American Medical Women’s Association.

&nbsp;

Another issue is the gun violence that is primarily faced by children of color, which turns out to affect a far greater number of children.

&nbsp;

And how is this all linked to the Peloton recall?  You'll have to listen in to find out...

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights here:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li>(01:00) Indoor playdates are ramping up...will your child be safe?</li>
 	<li>(02:29) Introducing Dr. Nina Agrawal, pediatrician and co-founder of the American Academy of Pediatrics' Gun Safety Committee in New York State</li>
 	<li>(02:58) Understanding how big is the scope of gun violence against children</li>
 	<li>(06:15) The Dickey Amendment: Explaining the massive lack of data and research on gun violence and safety</li>
 	<li>(11:24) The ways that gun violence affects children that we might not expect</li>
 	<li>(12:32) <em>“I get woken up at night to the sound of gunshots.”</em></li>
 	<li>(17:09) The racial disparity in how children are affected by gun violence</li>
 	<li>(20:46) More people purchased guns in 2020, and there are more first-time owners too</li>
 	<li>(23:39) The statistical likelihood of children coming to harm if they live with a firearm in their household</li>
 	<li>(27:00) Just telling kids not to touch guns doesn't work (even if you think of your child as one who is 'sensible,' and you've talked with them about gun safety)</li>
 	<li>(30:45) The Asking Saves Kids Campaign helps to keep kids safer</li>
 	<li>(33:06) The surprising link between children involved in gun violence and the Peloton treadmill recall</li>
 	<li>(36:07) In American culture, banning all guns can't be the answer</li>
 	<li>(40:52) Effective Child Access Laws</li>
 	<li>(41:45) How to create safer environments for children through building communities</li>
</ul><br/>
[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:06

We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research on principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a free guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen To You &amp; What To Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. And today we're going to discuss a topic that I think is about to come into parents' consciousness in a way that it really hasn't as much over the last year. And for some of us, that's a result of our privilege. And I was reflecting that as vaccinations for children become more available, we're probably going to start moving towards indoor play dates without parents being around because when my daughter went into when we went into sort of lockdown, she was young enough that she wasn't really doing playdates indoors with other people in anyone else's houses. And so I never really felt as though I needed to ask, "Are there guns in your house?" because I was always there to supervise. And so of course, over the last year, she's played with a lot of kids on our street, and they're always outside and I can always hear them. And so the danger doesn't seem to be there in the same way for me in those outdoor playdates scenarios. But of course, as vaccinations become available, and these things start to move inside, I don't know which of my friends has guns in their houses. And if I'm kind of uncomfortable asking about this, I'm guessing that a lot of parents haven't even thought about it and don't have it on their collective radar yet. So I wanted to bring that up into our consciousness before we actually need it. And then, of course, there's another issue here as well, that we're going to delve into fairly deeply today, which is that gun violence is becoming increasingly common in a wide variety of settings that children live in and are exposed to, and that this can have really big impacts on them. And that that isn't necessarily talked about or studied nearly as much.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:29

And we have a very special guest here with us today to talk about these issues. Dr. Nina Agrawal. She's a pediatrician who is board certified in Child Abuse Pediatrics, and she has expertise in Violence Against Children. She was on the faculty at Columbia University in Child and Adolescent Health. She co-founded the Gun Safety Committee for the American Academy of Pediatrics in New York State, and she's leading the Gun Violence Prevention Task Force for the American Women's Association. Welcome Dr. Agrawal.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>02:56

Thank you so much for having me, Jen.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:58

All right. So I wonder if we can maybe start by just understanding how big is the scope of this problem, and piggybacking on that, how much do we know about how big is the scope of this problem, and why don't we know as much as we might want to know?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>03:12

Right, great question. Right now, guns are the leading cause of death in children 1 to 19 years of age. Before it was motor vehicle accidents.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:22

Yeah.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>03:23

Now it's firearm. So it's something that's a health issue. It's a public health issue. It's a safety issue affecting all children.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:34

Okay. And yeah, I actually hadn't seen those latest statistics, the peer reviewed papers I was looking at from 2018 still showed it in that number two position, so. So that's an unfortunate development over the last couple of years that that position has switched then. And it doesn't affect everybody equally, right? It affects some children more than others.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>03:53

Yes, definitely. Racially, it affects Black children disproportionately. Blacks, and then Hispanics, and then White children.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>04:00

Okay. And I noticed that actually, the way that this data is collected, we might think, Oh, it's fairly easy to understand how prevalent this kind of thing is, how prevalent injuries are. And actually, there's a couple of different ways of estimating it. But the most common way is using data from the Centers for Disease Control, which is sampled from 100 hospitals. And I'm just thinking, Okay, there are 1000s of trauma centers that are dealing with this kind of thing. Can a sample of 100 hospitals give us a complete picture of what the actual prevalence rates for this are?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>04:34

Right? Yeah, as with a lot of injuries in children, it's a combination of hospital data and mass data and media. We're increasingly using media data. There's a gun violence archive that looks at shootings in communities, and then the CDC data. I think one of the problems with the CDC data is that it doesn't include non fatal injuries and only includes fatal injuries. So we're missing a lot of children who suffered non fatal injuries and understanding those so that we can prevent them.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>05:09

Yeah. Okay. And I think when a lot of parents think about guns, one thing that they may be most kind of afraid of the immediate fear is of a mass shooting. Because there's get so much publicity, right? Is that the thing that we should be the most afraid of statistically speaking?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>05:25

Statistically, definitely not. It's 1% of shootings. So much more common is homicide, and suicide, and unintentional injuries. And then mass shootings are a small percentage, but they gain the most immediate attention. And because again, the most immediate attention, they gain the most resources - prevention resources. And so we have children dying every day from homicide and suicide and yet, we're really not devoting the investing in prevention of deaths in those children due to firearms.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>06:00

Yeah, okay. And I think a big reason why we're not investing as much in the pieces of this that really matter are that we don't understand it well enough. And there's a reason we don't understand much about gun violence, right? Can you tell us about that reason.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>06:15

I love telling the story. It's a story that's not known and once people hear about it, they're like, Oh, my God, this makes sense. So anyhow, enough of the preamble. What it is, is that in 1994-95, there's a study that came out in the New England Journal of Medicine that found that if you had a gun in your home, you're a gun owner, you or somebody else in your home are more likely to die or get injured from that firearm, rather than protect yourself from an intruder. So, most people a lot of people keep it for self protection. It actually doesn't work that way.You know, the statistics tell you you're actually more danger from hurting yourself or somebody that you care about in your home. And so this study was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. The NRA was not happy about it, because that would affect firearm sales. And they, you know, they basically lobbied Representative Dickey of Arkansas, and Representative Dickey inserted a amendment called the Dickey Amendment after his name, saying that no funds can be used by the CDC or the NIH eventually went to the NIH that could be used to advocate or promote gun control. And so what they did is this Congress took away money from the CDC that had been used for firearm prevention research and earmarked it for concussions. And the CDC doesn't have this pot of money where they can use it indiscriminately. It has to be earmarked for a certain, you know, injury or health issue. And so then basically, they had very limited funding and research plummeted. And it you know, that Dickey Amendment created a chilling effect on the entire research community, because funding is so limited for research and, you know, people didn't want their funding taken away for other things that they could do research on. So gun violence research plummeted. And with that, are solutions. So this was in 1996, the Dickey Amendment passed. And every year, it gets reapproved. And there have been efforts through certain presidential administrations to try and repeal it, but it just keeps going on and on and more recently, in 2019, for the first time, the CDC was appropriated $25 million for gun violence prevention research. And I just want to make a distinction between gun control and gun violence prevention. And the distinction is that public health issues are not trying to control an injury or an illness. We're trying to create safety when it comes to injuries. So just like we don't say highway control, we say highway safety. We don't say cars control, we say car safety. We don't say cribs control, we say crib safety. So this is gun safety. We understand that you can have guns, but we just want them to be safe around children.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>09:22

Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that. And I just want to pull out some pieces of what you said, particularly for listeners who are outside the US. So what we're talking about here is that the CDC is the Centers for Disease Control, and NIH is the National Institute for Health and that these organizations fund scientists working in academia to conduct studies on a whole array of things related to health, but specifically here we're talking about gun safety issues. And the NRA, the National Rifle Association, which has an enormous amount of lobbying power here in the US, and that they had approached Jim Dickey and said, You know, this is this is something that you need to be with us on and he agreed. And I was actually interested to see that he has more recently flipped on that. And he has regretted his role in the stifling the research. He didn't want there to be more gun control. And that was why he advocated for that, because he, he was, I think, worried that the research was going to lead to ammunition, I guess, as it were, for people who wanted gun control to put that into effect. But he now says that he regrets his role in stifling the flow of research on that. So it's encouraging to see that we are now starting to see the spigot loosened and some money flowing through.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>10:35

Yes, for sure. Yeah, right before he actually died. But right before he died, he became before he died. Well, before he died, he became friends with the person who is Head of the CDC at the time and together, they tried to advocate for Gun Violence Prevention Research.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:53

Yeah. Okay. All right. So so thank you for, for telling us that story. And it's always amazing how the politics ends up impacting our view of public health issues. And, and I think that seeing this as a public health issue is really at the core of your approach here. And part of that is because of the way that gun violence impacts children. So I wonder if you can tell us more about your ideas and your research and thinking on how gun violence impacts children and how we should be thinking about it?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>11:24

Yes, I think we need to think about gun violence in children more broadly. We have been in the research setting, we've been thinking about his injuries and deaths. How do we prevent an injury? How do we prevent a death? And we're making some headway in that, but what we want is, you know, we're making headway in certain areas. So suicide and accidental injury. So like the toddler who picks up a gun on a play date, how do we prevent that from happening? We haven't made a lot of inroads in homicide affecting children. And that is the most common intent in children and youth. So we haven't made a lot of inroads and prevention of homicide. The other thing that we don't talk about his exposure to gun violence. And when I was working in the Bronx, you know, as a pretty some of I was working in the South Bronx, and it was a busy ER, a lot of people come in with gunshot wounds, but the ones that we weren't, weren't coming in or weren't presenting to medical attention, were the kids who are having mental health problems because of exposure. You know, they're having anxiety they're having, they're having depression.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>12:32

I am actually authoring a book chapter on exposure. And in that included this anecdote of a five year old that I was interviewing, and I asked her about eating and sleeping and you know, school, and she said, she didn't sleep well. Why not? And she goes, she told me there were noises that kept her up at night. I was like, Well, what were those noises and not expecting her to say this. She said they were gunshots. And I was like, Well, what do you do she when that happens? And she said, Well, I get a snack, and I go back to sleep. And it was this five year old living in this, this world of trauma in her bedroom. So the gun violence is going on physically outside her bedroom, but it's coming through into her home, it's coming through into her development and and her health. And what happens to those kids and from the adverse childhood experiences studies, we know that those violent exposures affect children's health across the long term. And they you know, they may develop academic problems, behavioral problems in adolescence, with gun violence, they may become victims and perpetrators. And then later on in life, if they don't die from gun violence, they may have chronic health issues. So basically, you know, what happens before age five children see and hear can affect their brains and their lives, the trajectory of their lives forever.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>14:04

Yeah, yeah. And so to dig a little more deeply into some of those things that you mentioned, firstly, you said that, we've made some progress on the things like the accidental deaths and the suicides, which primarily impact White children. And we have not made so much progress on the homicides aspect, which primarily does not impact White children. It's primarily Black children. And so there's a very racially differentiated issue right on where we focused our attention where we've been able to make progress on this.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Nina Agrawal  </strong>14:34

Yeah. And, again, you know, unintentional injuries where a toddler picks up a gun is, again, a very small percentage of gun violence in children. The biggest bucket is homicide, but within that bucket, we haven't made a distinction between unintentional homicide and intentional homicide. So we see this in the news all the time. You know, people are children and even adults getting hit by stray bullets, and they see the wrong place at the wrong tie but is it that person's, you know, I guess it's like, where does the onus? Is it that person, he shouldn't have gone to that restaurant, he shouldn't have gone to that place, the child didn't go into that playground. So I think we need to make a distinction between the unintended target and the intended target. Because the dynamics are going to be different. The environments may be the same, but you know, a mother of a five year old, you know, getting shot by a stray bullet, like, how can we help her keep her child safe? Can we say, you know, look, maybe this area of your neighborhood is not safe. Or maybe we need to go to the community leaders and say, like, hey, this playground is not safe for our children. There's shootings that happen there. They're drug deals that happen there. Let's make this safe. So, you know, there's work that says that it's found that [unrecognized] of safe green spaces, reduces shootings in communities. And I think that is, I think that's a very viable way of keeping children safer.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>16:03

Yeah. And also thinking back to that five year old who's saying, you know, I get woken up at night, and what I'm hearing is gunshots and, and thinking about how that's gonna play out in that five year olds, academic career, you know, maybe she's asleep at school the next day, because she couldn't, she couldn't sleep at nighttime. And then it's like, well, what are the parents doing? Why...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/gunviolence]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f50a7c51-f5d1-4e7c-96ea-886ce2fa31a2</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1ba7c4e7-95c3-47d7-9e7c-20e6101eefd6/your-parenting-mojo-gun-violence.mp3" length="43119931" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>138: Most of what you know about attachment is probably wrong</title><itunes:title>138: Most of what you know about attachment is probably wrong</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[New parents often worry about attachment to their baby - will I be able to build it? My baby cries a lot - does that mean that we aren't attached? If I put my baby in daycare, will they get attached to the daycare staff rather than to me?

&nbsp;

Based on the ideas about attachment that have been circulated over the years, these are entirely valid concerns. But it turns out that not only should we not worry about these things, but the the research that these ideas were based in was highly flawed.

&nbsp;

It's often forgotten that attachment theory was developed in the period after World War II, when policymakers were trying to get women out of the jobs they had held during the war, and back into their 'natural' place in the home.

&nbsp;

In one of his earliest papers Dr. John Bowlby - the so-called Father of Attachment Theory - described 44 children who had been referred to his clinic for stealing, and compared these with children who had not stolen anything. He reported that the thieves had been separated from their parents during childhood, which led them to have a low sense of self-worth and capacity for empathy. He went on to say that “to deprive a small child of his mother’s companionship is as bad as depriving him of vitamins.”

&nbsp;

But much later in his life, Bowlby revealed that he had conflated a whole lot of kinds of separation into that one category – everything between sleeping in a different room to being abandoned in an orphanage. And in addition to being separated, many of the thieves had also experienced physical or sexual abuse. The fear that spending time apart from your baby will damage them in some way is just not supported by the evidence.

&nbsp;

What other common beliefs do we hold about attachment relationships that aren't supported by evidence? Well, quite a lot, as it turns out! Listen in for more.

&nbsp;

<strong>Link to the book mentioned:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yDxQRY">Cornerstones of Attachment Research</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:30 Download the free Right From The Start Roadmap

06:11 Dr. John Bowlby, who is known as the founder of attachment theory

06:40 A brief overview of attachment theory

08:06 What is attachment theory

09:44 A closer look at the word attachment

12:55 Five aspects out of Freud's psychoanalytic theory

14:32 44 Juvenile Thieves - One of the major ideas about separation from parents

17:50 What is the word monotrophy

18:49 The four dimensions that distinguish African-American views of motherhood from American views by Dr. Patricia Hill Collins

20:49 Aka Pygmy tribe in Africa

21:37 What is PIC or Parental Investment in the child Questionnaire by Dr. Robert Bradley

24:19 The Strange Situation Procedure developed by Dr. Mary Ainsworth

30:30 White middle class mothers in Baltimore stand for what attachment should look like in families of all types around the world

33:36 Two main cross cultural studies

40:13 The cognitive thinking component of the attachment relationship

47:29 What is Outcomes

01:01:25 Summary

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Ainsworth, M.D.S. (1985). Patterns of infant-mother attachments: Antecedents and effects on development. Bulletin of The New York Academy of Medicine 61(9), 771-791.

<hr />

Attached at the Heart (n.d.). Talking points/frequently asked questions. Author. Retrieved from http:// attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/

<hr />

Birns, B. (1999). I. Attachment Theory revisited: Challenging conceptual and methodological sacred cows. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 10-21.

<hr />

Bliwise, N.G. (1999). Securing Attachment Theory’s potential. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 43-52.

<hr />

Bradley, R.H. (1998). In defense of parental investment. Journal of Marriage and Family 60(3), 791-795.

<hr />

Bradley, R.H., Whiteside-Mansell, L., Brisby, J.A., &amp; Caldwell, B.M. Parents’ socioemotional investment in children. Journal of Marriage and Family 59(1), 77-90.

<hr />

Buchanan, F. (2013). A critical analysis of the use of attachment theory in cases of domestic violence. Critical Social Work 14(2), 19-31

<hr />

Callaghan, J., Andenaes, A., &amp; Macleod, C. (2015). Deconstructing Developmental Psychology 20 years on: Reflections, implications, and empirical work. Feminism &amp; Psychology 25(3), 255-265.

<hr />

Cleary, R.J. (1999). III. Bowlby’s theory of attachment and loss: A feminist reconsideration. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 32-42.

<hr />

Duschinsky, R. (2020). Cornerstones of attachment research. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Duschinsky, R., Greco, M., &amp; Solomon, J. (2015). The politics of attachment: Lines of flight with Bowlby, Deleuze and Guattari. Theory, Culture &amp; Society 32(7-8), 173-195.

<hr />

Duchinsky, R., Greco, M., &amp; Solomon, J. (2015). Wait up!: Attachment and sovereign power. International Journal of Politics, Culture, and Society 28, 223-242.

<hr />

Franzblau, S.H. (1999). II. Historicizing Attachment Theory: Binding the ties that bind. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 22-31.

<hr />

Gov.uk (2019). Elitism in Britain, 2019. Author. Retrieved from https://www.gov.uk/government/news/elitism-in-britain-2019#:~:text=Overall%2029%25%20of%20current%20Members,Senior%20judges%20%2D%2065%25

<hr />

Hays, S., (1998). The fallacious assumptions and unrealistic prescriptions of Attachment Theory: A comment on “Parents’ socioemotional investment in children.” Journal of Marriage and Family 60(3), 782-790.

<hr />

Leinonen, J. A., Solantaus, T. S., &amp; Punamäki, R. L. (2003). Social support and the quality of parenting under economic pressure and workload in Finland: The role of family structure and parental gender. <em>Journal of Family Psychology</em>, <em>17</em>(3), 409.

<hr />

Mesman, J., Minter, T., Angnged, A., Cissé, I. A., Salali, G. D., &amp; Migliano, A. B. (2018). Universality without uniformity: A culturally inclusive approach to sensitive responsiveness in infant caregiving. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>89</em>(3), 837-850.

<hr />

Schaverein, J. (2011). Boarding school syndrome: Broken attachments a hidden trauma. British Journal of Psychotherapy 27(2), 138-155.

<hr />

Schaverein, J. (2004). Boarding school: the trauma of the ‘privileged’ child. Journal of Analytical Psychology 49, 683-705.

<hr />

Silverstein, L.B. (2996). Fathering is a feminist issue. Psychology of Women Quarterly 20, 3-37.

<hr />

Simonardottir, S. (2016). Constructing the attached mother in the “world’s most feminist country.” Women’s Studies International Forum 56, 103-112.

<hr />

Umemura, T., Jacobvitz, D., Messina, S., &amp; Hazen, N. (2013). Do toddlers prefer the primary caregiver or the parent with whom they feel more secure? The role of toddler emotion. Infant Behavior and Development 36, 102-114.

<hr />

Van der Kolk, B. (2015). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. New York: Penguin.

<hr />

Van Dijken, S. (1998). John Bowlby: His Early Life: A Biographical Journey into the Roots of Attachment Theory. London: Free Association Books

<hr />

Vicedo, M. (2017). Putting attachment in its place: Disciplinary and cultural contexts. European Journal of Developmental Psychology 14(6), 684-699.

<hr />

Ziv, Y., &amp; Hotam, Y. (2015). Theory and measure in the psychological field: The case of attachment theory and the strange situation procedure. Theory &amp; Psychology 25(3), 274-291.

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[New parents often worry about attachment to their baby - will I be able to build it? My baby cries a lot - does that mean that we aren't attached? If I put my baby in daycare, will they get attached to the daycare staff rather than to me?

&nbsp;

Based on the ideas about attachment that have been circulated over the years, these are entirely valid concerns. But it turns out that not only should we not worry about these things, but the the research that these ideas were based in was highly flawed.

&nbsp;

It's often forgotten that attachment theory was developed in the period after World War II, when policymakers were trying to get women out of the jobs they had held during the war, and back into their 'natural' place in the home.

&nbsp;

In one of his earliest papers Dr. John Bowlby - the so-called Father of Attachment Theory - described 44 children who had been referred to his clinic for stealing, and compared these with children who had not stolen anything. He reported that the thieves had been separated from their parents during childhood, which led them to have a low sense of self-worth and capacity for empathy. He went on to say that “to deprive a small child of his mother’s companionship is as bad as depriving him of vitamins.”

&nbsp;

But much later in his life, Bowlby revealed that he had conflated a whole lot of kinds of separation into that one category – everything between sleeping in a different room to being abandoned in an orphanage. And in addition to being separated, many of the thieves had also experienced physical or sexual abuse. The fear that spending time apart from your baby will damage them in some way is just not supported by the evidence.

&nbsp;

What other common beliefs do we hold about attachment relationships that aren't supported by evidence? Well, quite a lot, as it turns out! Listen in for more.

&nbsp;

<strong>Link to the book mentioned:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yDxQRY">Cornerstones of Attachment Research</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:30 Download the free Right From The Start Roadmap

06:11 Dr. John Bowlby, who is known as the founder of attachment theory

06:40 A brief overview of attachment theory

08:06 What is attachment theory

09:44 A closer look at the word attachment

12:55 Five aspects out of Freud's psychoanalytic theory

14:32 44 Juvenile Thieves - One of the major ideas about separation from parents

17:50 What is the word monotrophy

18:49 The four dimensions that distinguish African-American views of motherhood from American views by Dr. Patricia Hill Collins

20:49 Aka Pygmy tribe in Africa

21:37 What is PIC or Parental Investment in the child Questionnaire by Dr. Robert Bradley

24:19 The Strange Situation Procedure developed by Dr. Mary Ainsworth

30:30 White middle class mothers in Baltimore stand for what attachment should look like in families of all types around the world

33:36 Two main cross cultural studies

40:13 The cognitive thinking component of the attachment relationship

47:29 What is Outcomes

01:01:25 Summary

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Ainsworth, M.D.S. (1985). Patterns of infant-mother attachments: Antecedents and effects on development. Bulletin of The New York Academy of Medicine 61(9), 771-791.

<hr />

Attached at the Heart (n.d.). Talking points/frequently asked questions. Author. Retrieved from http:// attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/

<hr />

Birns, B. (1999). I. Attachment Theory revisited: Challenging conceptual and methodological sacred cows. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 10-21.

<hr />

Bliwise, N.G. (1999). Securing Attachment Theory’s potential. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 43-52.

<hr />

Bradley, R.H. (1998). In defense of parental investment. Journal of Marriage and Family 60(3), 791-795.

<hr />

Bradley, R.H., Whiteside-Mansell, L., Brisby, J.A., &amp; Caldwell, B.M. Parents’ socioemotional investment in children. Journal of Marriage and Family 59(1), 77-90.

<hr />

Buchanan, F. (2013). A critical analysis of the use of attachment theory in cases of domestic violence. Critical Social Work 14(2), 19-31

<hr />

Callaghan, J., Andenaes, A., &amp; Macleod, C. (2015). Deconstructing Developmental Psychology 20 years on: Reflections, implications, and empirical work. Feminism &amp; Psychology 25(3), 255-265.

<hr />

Cleary, R.J. (1999). III. Bowlby’s theory of attachment and loss: A feminist reconsideration. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 32-42.

<hr />

Duschinsky, R. (2020). Cornerstones of attachment research. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Duschinsky, R., Greco, M., &amp; Solomon, J. (2015). The politics of attachment: Lines of flight with Bowlby, Deleuze and Guattari. Theory, Culture &amp; Society 32(7-8), 173-195.

<hr />

Duchinsky, R., Greco, M., &amp; Solomon, J. (2015). Wait up!: Attachment and sovereign power. International Journal of Politics, Culture, and Society 28, 223-242.

<hr />

Franzblau, S.H. (1999). II. Historicizing Attachment Theory: Binding the ties that bind. Feminism &amp; Psychology 9(1), 22-31.

<hr />

Gov.uk (2019). Elitism in Britain, 2019. Author. Retrieved from https://www.gov.uk/government/news/elitism-in-britain-2019#:~:text=Overall%2029%25%20of%20current%20Members,Senior%20judges%20%2D%2065%25

<hr />

Hays, S., (1998). The fallacious assumptions and unrealistic prescriptions of Attachment Theory: A comment on “Parents’ socioemotional investment in children.” Journal of Marriage and Family 60(3), 782-790.

<hr />

Leinonen, J. A., Solantaus, T. S., &amp; Punamäki, R. L. (2003). Social support and the quality of parenting under economic pressure and workload in Finland: The role of family structure and parental gender. <em>Journal of Family Psychology</em>, <em>17</em>(3), 409.

<hr />

Mesman, J., Minter, T., Angnged, A., Cissé, I. A., Salali, G. D., &amp; Migliano, A. B. (2018). Universality without uniformity: A culturally inclusive approach to sensitive responsiveness in infant caregiving. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>89</em>(3), 837-850.

<hr />

Schaverein, J. (2011). Boarding school syndrome: Broken attachments a hidden trauma. British Journal of Psychotherapy 27(2), 138-155.

<hr />

Schaverein, J. (2004). Boarding school: the trauma of the ‘privileged’ child. Journal of Analytical Psychology 49, 683-705.

<hr />

Silverstein, L.B. (2996). Fathering is a feminist issue. Psychology of Women Quarterly 20, 3-37.

<hr />

Simonardottir, S. (2016). Constructing the attached mother in the “world’s most feminist country.” Women’s Studies International Forum 56, 103-112.

<hr />

Umemura, T., Jacobvitz, D., Messina, S., &amp; Hazen, N. (2013). Do toddlers prefer the primary caregiver or the parent with whom they feel more secure? The role of toddler emotion. Infant Behavior and Development 36, 102-114.

<hr />

Van der Kolk, B. (2015). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. New York: Penguin.

<hr />

Van Dijken, S. (1998). John Bowlby: His Early Life: A Biographical Journey into the Roots of Attachment Theory. London: Free Association Books

<hr />

Vicedo, M. (2017). Putting attachment in its place: Disciplinary and cultural contexts. European Journal of Developmental Psychology 14(6), 684-699.

<hr />

Ziv, Y., &amp; Hotam, Y. (2015). Theory and measure in the psychological field: The case of attachment theory and the strange situation procedure. Theory &amp; Psychology 25(3), 274-291.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/attachmentresearch]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">388da77d-67aa-4450-838e-c223e22fa823</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/54af3227-6f80-44f1-a2ff-99421a60f57f/audio-everything-you-think-you-know-about-attachment-is-probabl.mp3" length="95017400" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:06:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/590c4c37-6045-4f7b-a2a0-8d956c1dc0cb/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</title><itunes:title>137: Psychological Flexibility through ACT with Dr. Diana Hill</itunes:title><description><![CDATA["Psychological Flexibility" sounds amazing.  Shouldn't we all want that?  After all, psychological flexibility has been significantly positively associated with wellness during the COVID-19 pandemic, and negatively associated with anxiety, depression, and COVID-29-related distress and worry.

(But what <em>is</em> it, anyway?!)

Psychological Flexibility is about being fully in touch with the present moment and, based on the situation, either continuing or changing your behavior to live in better alignment with your values.

Let's break that down a bit:

<strong><em>Being fully in touch with the present moment:</em> </strong>We spend a good chunk of our lives not fully present.  And there are times when it makes sense - we don't necessarily need to be fully present for every moment of a long drive.  As long as we're present enough to drive safely, we don't need to observe the exact quality of red in the tail light of the driver in front of you.

But when we spend most of our lives zoned out on our phones, or rushing from one activity to the next (probably partly so we don't have to sit down and just <em>be</em>), we aren't truly present.

<strong><em>Better alignment with your values:</em></strong> We all have values, although perhaps some of us haven't fully articulated them.  We might value raising an independent child, but then step in every time they struggle.  We might value emotional closeness but struggle to actually do it because our parents didn't model it for us.  When we articulate our values, we define what we're working toward.

<strong><em>Based on the situation, either continuing or changing your behavior:</em></strong> One of my favorite parts of ACT is the Choice Point: the point at which something doesn't feel right to you.  At this point you get to decide: Am I going to keep doing the same thing I've always done?  Or am I going to do something that brings me into better alignment with my values?

&nbsp;

Want to know more?  Dr. Diana Hill, co-author with Dr. Debbie Sorensen, joins me on this episode to discuss their new book <a href="https://amzn.to/3v5H3iR">ACT Daily Journal: Get Unstuck and Live Fully with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy</a> (this is an affiliate link, so I will earn a small commission through your purchase which does not affect the price you pay).  The book walks readers through a series of exercises to help them become more psychologically flexible, through the practice of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT).  The concepts in ACT are ones that I've found to be enormously useful both personally and in working with clients, so I'm excited to tell you about them here!

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Diana Hill's Book:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3ocSRhz">ACT Daily Journal: Get Unstuck and Live Fully with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li>(01:26) What is ACT or acceptance and Commitment Therapy</li>
 	<li>(02:07) What is this thing psychological flexibility?</li>
 	<li>(03:48) What are the components of psychological flexibility?</li>
 	<li>(08:07) Cognitive diffusion</li>
 	<li>(11:38) The idea that we could believe that our thoughts are not true is mind boggling to a lot of people</li>
 	<li>(16:36) Values and parenting in particular is such a good one to discuss</li>
 	<li>(18:20) Values are something that are deep within you, that you can pull upon, when you've got nothing left</li>
 	<li>(19:10:) The idea of the choice point</li>
 	<li>(23:36) Perspective taking is probably one of the most important skills we can do for ourselves</li>
 	<li>(27:01) How do we live out committed action</li>
 	<li>(33:55) Our children are naturally beginner's mind</li>
 	<li>(35:18:) One of the things that actually sets humans apart from robots, is our ability to think outside the box</li>
 	<li>(39:58) We can start to teach our children, that it's not about the answer. That there's many ways to solve problems</li>
 	<li>(41:51) The IKEA effect</li>
 	<li>(45:33) Another thing that's really important with embodiment is modeling</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:03

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research on principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't listen To You and What To Do About Each One, just head on over to your YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:48

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a guest here today to talk with us about a tool that I actually discovered through her show and I found it to be incredibly helpful both personally and professionally. So our guest is Dr. Diana Hill, and she's co host with three of her colleagues of the Psychologists Off The Clock podcast, and one of her co hosts is Dr. Yael Schonbrun, who we had on the show to discuss work life balance. And then Dr. Hill actually hosted me on Psychologists Off the Clock and we talked about homeschooling and social justice and parenting and stuff like that. And now she's here with us today to discuss one of her favorite topics, which is acceptance and Commitment Therapy, which is shortened to act. So Dr. Hill has just published a book with her colleague and Psychologists Off the Clock at co-host Debbie Sorensen, called Acts Daily Journal: Get unstuck and live fully with acceptance and Commitment Therapy, which isn't geared specifically toward parents, but there's so much in it that's going to help parents. So welcome Dr. Hill. It's great to have you here.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>01:45

Thank you, Jen, it's so good to be here with you and my interview with you is one of my favorites. So it's time to have the table's turned here and talk about ACT and and specifically around parenting because it turns out if you're more psychologically flexible as a person, it rubs off on to your parenting, and then that rubs off on to your kids too. So I love to talk more about it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:05

Yeah, awesome. So maybe we can start there with Firstly, what is this thing psychological flexibility? And why does it matter? Why does it make a difference? How does it make a difference in our lives?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>02:14

Well, a psychological flexibility is a construct that's been researched for decades now. And some of the research is actually starting to get into the general public. And what it is, is, it's your ability to stay present, open up to your full life experience, not get hooked by your thoughts, and orient your actions towards your values towards what really matters to you, even when life gets difficult. So you can see how even just that term could be helpful as a parent, right? And

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:43

keep going. I'm not saying it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>02:47

And what the research has shown is that there's really these Six Core Processes, ways in which you engage with the world that help you become more psychologically flexible. And when you're psychologically flexible. Not only do you have less chances of developing things like anxiety and depression, but specifically with parenting, some of the meta analyses that are showing up with parenting is that psychologically flexible parents engage in more positive parenting practices, they're less harsh, as well as not super overly permissive, you see less spillover effects of stress onto kids. So they did some studies looking at psychological flexibility during COVID with parents and parents that were more psychologically flexible during COVID. Not only did they have less conflict in their relationship with their partners, there was less impact of the stress of COVID on their kids. This set of processes is turning out to be in the research one of the key factors in human flourishing and functioning in lots of different domains of our lives.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:47

Okay, I'm convinced. So what are the components of psychological flexibility?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>03:52

Well, there's six of them and you can kind of think of them Steven Hayes, who's one of the cofounders of ACT or Acceptance  a Commitment Therapy talks about like sides of a box. So six sides of the box, that together build your psychological flexibility. And some of them are fairly familiar to folks we've all heard about being present. That's one of them, being able to stay present in the moment sort of mindfulness, but it's a little different in ACT being present has more to do with being present where it matters, because you can't be mindful all of the time. But in that moment, when your kid is showing, like pulling out stuff from the backpack, and they're showing you a piece of artwork and you're on your phone, this is a time to be present because they're bidding for attention. They're bidding for connection, right? So being present when it matters to you as a parent. A second process is about acceptance. And in Act, acceptance isn't...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA["Psychological Flexibility" sounds amazing.  Shouldn't we all want that?  After all, psychological flexibility has been significantly positively associated with wellness during the COVID-19 pandemic, and negatively associated with anxiety, depression, and COVID-29-related distress and worry.

(But what <em>is</em> it, anyway?!)

Psychological Flexibility is about being fully in touch with the present moment and, based on the situation, either continuing or changing your behavior to live in better alignment with your values.

Let's break that down a bit:

<strong><em>Being fully in touch with the present moment:</em> </strong>We spend a good chunk of our lives not fully present.  And there are times when it makes sense - we don't necessarily need to be fully present for every moment of a long drive.  As long as we're present enough to drive safely, we don't need to observe the exact quality of red in the tail light of the driver in front of you.

But when we spend most of our lives zoned out on our phones, or rushing from one activity to the next (probably partly so we don't have to sit down and just <em>be</em>), we aren't truly present.

<strong><em>Better alignment with your values:</em></strong> We all have values, although perhaps some of us haven't fully articulated them.  We might value raising an independent child, but then step in every time they struggle.  We might value emotional closeness but struggle to actually do it because our parents didn't model it for us.  When we articulate our values, we define what we're working toward.

<strong><em>Based on the situation, either continuing or changing your behavior:</em></strong> One of my favorite parts of ACT is the Choice Point: the point at which something doesn't feel right to you.  At this point you get to decide: Am I going to keep doing the same thing I've always done?  Or am I going to do something that brings me into better alignment with my values?

&nbsp;

Want to know more?  Dr. Diana Hill, co-author with Dr. Debbie Sorensen, joins me on this episode to discuss their new book <a href="https://amzn.to/3v5H3iR">ACT Daily Journal: Get Unstuck and Live Fully with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy</a> (this is an affiliate link, so I will earn a small commission through your purchase which does not affect the price you pay).  The book walks readers through a series of exercises to help them become more psychologically flexible, through the practice of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT).  The concepts in ACT are ones that I've found to be enormously useful both personally and in working with clients, so I'm excited to tell you about them here!

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Diana Hill's Book:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3ocSRhz">ACT Daily Journal: Get Unstuck and Live Fully with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li>(01:26) What is ACT or acceptance and Commitment Therapy</li>
 	<li>(02:07) What is this thing psychological flexibility?</li>
 	<li>(03:48) What are the components of psychological flexibility?</li>
 	<li>(08:07) Cognitive diffusion</li>
 	<li>(11:38) The idea that we could believe that our thoughts are not true is mind boggling to a lot of people</li>
 	<li>(16:36) Values and parenting in particular is such a good one to discuss</li>
 	<li>(18:20) Values are something that are deep within you, that you can pull upon, when you've got nothing left</li>
 	<li>(19:10:) The idea of the choice point</li>
 	<li>(23:36) Perspective taking is probably one of the most important skills we can do for ourselves</li>
 	<li>(27:01) How do we live out committed action</li>
 	<li>(33:55) Our children are naturally beginner's mind</li>
 	<li>(35:18:) One of the things that actually sets humans apart from robots, is our ability to think outside the box</li>
 	<li>(39:58) We can start to teach our children, that it's not about the answer. That there's many ways to solve problems</li>
 	<li>(41:51) The IKEA effect</li>
 	<li>(45:33) Another thing that's really important with embodiment is modeling</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:03

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research on principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't listen To You and What To Do About Each One, just head on over to your YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:48

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a guest here today to talk with us about a tool that I actually discovered through her show and I found it to be incredibly helpful both personally and professionally. So our guest is Dr. Diana Hill, and she's co host with three of her colleagues of the Psychologists Off The Clock podcast, and one of her co hosts is Dr. Yael Schonbrun, who we had on the show to discuss work life balance. And then Dr. Hill actually hosted me on Psychologists Off the Clock and we talked about homeschooling and social justice and parenting and stuff like that. And now she's here with us today to discuss one of her favorite topics, which is acceptance and Commitment Therapy, which is shortened to act. So Dr. Hill has just published a book with her colleague and Psychologists Off the Clock at co-host Debbie Sorensen, called Acts Daily Journal: Get unstuck and live fully with acceptance and Commitment Therapy, which isn't geared specifically toward parents, but there's so much in it that's going to help parents. So welcome Dr. Hill. It's great to have you here.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>01:45

Thank you, Jen, it's so good to be here with you and my interview with you is one of my favorites. So it's time to have the table's turned here and talk about ACT and and specifically around parenting because it turns out if you're more psychologically flexible as a person, it rubs off on to your parenting, and then that rubs off on to your kids too. So I love to talk more about it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:05

Yeah, awesome. So maybe we can start there with Firstly, what is this thing psychological flexibility? And why does it matter? Why does it make a difference? How does it make a difference in our lives?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>02:14

Well, a psychological flexibility is a construct that's been researched for decades now. And some of the research is actually starting to get into the general public. And what it is, is, it's your ability to stay present, open up to your full life experience, not get hooked by your thoughts, and orient your actions towards your values towards what really matters to you, even when life gets difficult. So you can see how even just that term could be helpful as a parent, right? And

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>02:43

keep going. I'm not saying it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>02:47

And what the research has shown is that there's really these Six Core Processes, ways in which you engage with the world that help you become more psychologically flexible. And when you're psychologically flexible. Not only do you have less chances of developing things like anxiety and depression, but specifically with parenting, some of the meta analyses that are showing up with parenting is that psychologically flexible parents engage in more positive parenting practices, they're less harsh, as well as not super overly permissive, you see less spillover effects of stress onto kids. So they did some studies looking at psychological flexibility during COVID with parents and parents that were more psychologically flexible during COVID. Not only did they have less conflict in their relationship with their partners, there was less impact of the stress of COVID on their kids. This set of processes is turning out to be in the research one of the key factors in human flourishing and functioning in lots of different domains of our lives.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:47

Okay, I'm convinced. So what are the components of psychological flexibility?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>03:52

Well, there's six of them and you can kind of think of them Steven Hayes, who's one of the cofounders of ACT or Acceptance  a Commitment Therapy talks about like sides of a box. So six sides of the box, that together build your psychological flexibility. And some of them are fairly familiar to folks we've all heard about being present. That's one of them, being able to stay present in the moment sort of mindfulness, but it's a little different in ACT being present has more to do with being present where it matters, because you can't be mindful all of the time. But in that moment, when your kid is showing, like pulling out stuff from the backpack, and they're showing you a piece of artwork and you're on your phone, this is a time to be present because they're bidding for attention. They're bidding for connection, right? So being present when it matters to you as a parent. A second process is about acceptance. And in Act, acceptance isn't sometimes that can be a term that people don't like. It's like I don't want to accept that.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>04:52

I don't want to just roll over and let things happen.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>04:55

Yeah, so acceptance is not about being passive, actually acceptance is not about approval or liking something, but it's really allowing it to be, right. So for me with my youngest child, he had colic. And for the first four months of his life, he screamed, non stop. And so I did all sorts of stuff to try and make him to stop crying I, I bounced, and I walked in, I played music, and I sing. And then I remember one day, when I was so exhausted, and burned out, and just really tired of getting him to stop crying, I decided I was going to stop trying to get him to stop crying. And instead, I was going to accept that this is how he is expressing himself. He's working it out, neurologically, whatever was going on. And what I chose to do is to love him, and bond with him while he was crying, instead of trying to get him to stop. So that's an example of acceptance and Act, which is really opening up and allowing for our full inner experience.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>05:53

Yeah. And just a pause on that for a second, how did your experience shift after that happened? Because I think that's the profound part, right? What was different for you, after you decided that you were just going to accept that?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>06:04

Well, I think for many of us, as parents, we've all had that experience of wanting to fix our kids. And when we're engaging and fixing, there's actually something in motivational interviewing called the fixing reflex, which is our tendency to fix things that we don't like, what it does is it actually can derail us from engaging the very values that we care about. So for me, when I was trying to get him to stop crying, I was walking around in circles of my dinner of my dinner table, and my other child was watching, like, His head was circling back and I was not engaged with him, because I was so focused on getting my child to stop crying, right. I'm not saying that we shouldn't sued or, you know, care for our crying babies. But when it becomes that you are trying to fix something, some kind of internal experience inside of yourself as a parent, and you're trying to make it go away, at the cost of you engaging in the world parenting in the way that you want to be, then it's called something called experiential avoidance, which is actually the opposite of acceptance. So for me, it was liberating my child did not he didn't cry less by me doing that I just related to the whole experience lesson, it freed me up a little bit to be there with him be present with him, which is ultimately, what he probably really needed most from me.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>07:21

Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. Okay, so what are some of the other components of it?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>07:26

Okay, so there's six and you can see why Debbie, and I wrote a book on this? I'll break it down. And in the act, daily journal, we take each one of these processes, and we really do break them down into little tiny nuggets that you try out in your life day by day. So the two that we've mentioned, are more acceptance based processes. And there's another one that's really kind of fun, because it's unique to act or to these new modern approaches to psychology, so act as sort of research based approach to psychology that has taken a different approach to thoughts than what a lot of people maybe even know about, like cognitive behavioral therapy. And in Act, we do something called cognitive diffusion. And I could do a little, it's actually I think, this is best demonstrated not necessarily described, so I'm going to have you imagine or maybe if you wouldn't mind being fully my, my guinea pig. A thought that you struggle with as a parent. It could be a self critical thought, it could be some, so some of the ones that you know, are common are like, I'm not doing enough, or, you know, even as I'm talking people are listening to these psychological flexibility skills. And they're like, Oh, that's I'm not flexible. I'm not good enough.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>08:47

Alright, let's go with, there isn't enough of me to go around that my husband and my daughter will often talk over each other at the same time asking me for things, and I feel pulled in different directions.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>09:00

Okay, so one of those is I feel pulled in different directions, which I would say isn't a thought that's just an experience, like that. We've all had that feeling of like, Oh, I feel pulled, I want to be in many places at once and that probably points, we'll talk a little bit more about values that probably points to some of your values, things that you care about. But there isn't enough of me to be around. What I hear in there is that that could be a sticky thought it could get in the way of you being able to be present when when your husband and child are talking over you. So I want you to imagine that thought were written across your hand, Jen, there isn't enough of me to go around. And imagine you're at the dinner table with your partner and your child. And that thought were just like really close up to your face. So imagine it's waiting on your hand and put your hand right up to your face like the thought.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>09:48

Covering my eyes?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>09:49

Aha, covering your eyes. Okay. Now, if that thought were written across your hand and your hand was in the spot, how well could you see the thought for what it is? So close up to your eyes.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:02

WelI, I mean, it's blocking my view, although it's blurry.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>10:05

It's blurry. Yeah. And if it's really close up, actually, the thought itself is blurry, you wouldn't necessarily be able to read it and how well would you be able to see your partner and your child?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:17

Hmm, very little.

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>10:18

Very little. This is what we call cognitive fusion. We're so stuck on our thoughts. We can't even see what's around us. Now, what I want you to do is slowly move your hand away from your face. Imagining that that thought is still written on your hand? And can you look down and and read the thought if it were written on your hand? Okay. And then could you look around the dinner table, engage with your partner? Have a conversation with your child? Right? Okay. And notice that I didn't cut off your hand, I didn't ask you to write a new thought on your hand.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:53

Yeah, you didn't change anything about at all?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>10:57

Yeah, I didn't tie your hand around your back. And in fact, if I tied your hand around your back, you'd have one less hand at the dinner table to work with. Right, what we did is we did something called cognitive diffusion, which is getting a little bit of space from your thoughts. And as parents, as humans, we all have thoughts all the time running through our heads. What can get in the way of us being effective parents sometimes is when we believe those thoughts to be true. And those thoughts dictate our behavior, or they cloud us so much that we can't see what's really happening in the present.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>11:32

Yeah, I just want to pause there on what you said, we believe our thoughts to be true. And I talked about this concept with a lot of parents over the years. And the idea that we could believe that our thoughts are not true is mind boggling to a lot of people. And I've talked to some people who have said, You know, I was grew up in a religious commune. And I was trained to believe that my thoughts were a direct channel from God, and so they must be true, they are true. So there's sort of that perspective coming through sometimes. But even if you don't have that perspective, this idea that I think things and they might not be true is absolutely mind blowing to a lot of people. What do we do with our thoughts? If they are potentially not all true? Like, how could the thing we're thinking not be true?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>12:16

Well, that's just that the human mind does is it produces all sorts of thoughts. And actually, when you look at some of the psychological disorders out there. Some of them have more to do with trying to stop yourself from thinking or change your thoughts than they do with just allowing the thoughts to come and go. So you know, a really good example, Insomnia. Right?. One of the things about insomnia that's really interesting is that it's this paradoxical thing that the more you try and make yourself fall asleep, the less likely you're going to sleep, right. And when you have thoughts, as you're going to bed, oftentimes, I call it the, you know, the middle of the night, sort of crisis moment where everything seems so intense and real and true. And we have to figure this out now. And it's so important that I solved this problem at 2am, which I have no way of solving, right. And then the next morning, we wake up, and we're like, oh, yeah, that wasn't, it's not as big a deal. Right? So if your thoughts were true, then you would have the same feeling at 2am, as you do at two o'clock in the afternoon.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>13:18

It still  be a big deal. Right?

&nbsp;

<strong>Diana Hill  </strong>13:19

It would still be a big deal. Right? So the nature of our thoughts. And what's interesting about the human mind, and sort of what neuroscience is showing is that evolutionarily, our...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/act]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">fea4ce08-e863-4f72-8aab-b42d131a31e8</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2021 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c5ab56a5-fc69-4b48-ae03-25db43dd0ae3/audio-becoming-psychologically-flexible-with-dr-diana-hill.mp3" length="82682048" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>136: Mother’s Day Momifesto</title><itunes:title>136: Mother&apos;s Day Momifesto</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We've been in a liminal space for the last 15 months or so, since COVID shutdowns.  (The word 'liminal' comes from the Latin root limen, meaning threshold).   It’s a place where a certain part of our lives has come to an end but the next thing hasn’t yet begun, so we’re in a transitional state.

&nbsp;

We're finally starting to see the end of this liminal state but before we can fully emerge into the new world, we need to ask ourselves: what do we want that world to be like?

&nbsp;

Do we want to go back to what it was before?

&nbsp;

Because the world we had before wasn't working for a lot of parents.  We were constantly rushing our children around from one activity to the next, maybe also trying to balance a career at the same time, attending thirty kids' birthday parties a year and just feeling <em>completely spent, most of the time.</em>

&nbsp;

If we don't take the time to think about what we want life to be like when we reopen, chances are it'll look pretty much like it used to.  And that can seem safe!  It's always safer and easier to go back to what we know, rather than forward to what is unknown and scary.

&nbsp;

What would something different even look like?

&nbsp;

Maybe we would have fewer friends, whom we know much better.

&nbsp;

Maybe we would do fewer activities, and spend a bit more time being, rather than always <em>doing.</em>

&nbsp;

Maybe we would actually support families financially instead of having a 'families are the bedrock of our society...but you're on your own to provide for it' approach.

&nbsp;

In this Mother's Day Momifesto, I explore all of these issues, and encourage you to think about how YOU want to be in this new world.

&nbsp;

And if you need help figuring it out, the Parenting Membership is here to help.  We'll support you through the challenges of today (how to prevent tantrums!  raising healthy eaters!  navigating screen time!) while keeping an eye on where we want to go.  Because you need both.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:27 The Mother's Day Momifesto

02:04 COVID shutdown

04:28 School reopenings

07:04 18% of women in the US have taken antidepressants

09:29 We try to control our bodies in a variety of ways

12:27 Success is defined for men

19:38 Women working communities

20:25 Plenty of parents and children's needs are not met by the school system

22:47 Intersectionality - the idea that different parts of our identities intersect

25:10 Public transit systems are geared around men

26:17 Contribution of scientific research on COVID 19- women scientists have published 19% fewer papers as lead author

29:26 Standard Body Mass Index calculations are based on the weight of White people

31:41 Nonviolent Communication

34:06 How we can begin to make a difference

44:55 Learning how to meet our own needs is a great place to start

46:44 Reopening of your Parenting Membership will close on the midnight of May 12

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Andersen, J.P., Nielsen, M.W., Simone, N.L., Lewiss, R.E., &amp; Jagsi, R. (2020). COVID-19 medical papers have fewer women first authors than expected. Elife 9 (2020): e58807.

<hr />

Belsha, K., Rubinkam, M., LeMee, G.L., &amp; Fenn, L. (2020, September 11). A nationwide divide: Hispanic and Black students more likely than White students to start the year online. Chalkbeat. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.chalkbeat.org/2020/9/11/21431146/hispanic-and-black-students-more-likely-than-white-students-to-start-the-school-year-online">https://www.chalkbeat.org/2020/9/11/21431146/hispanic-and-black-students-more-likely-than-white-students-to-start-the-school-year-online</a>

<hr />

Brody, D.J., &amp; Gu, Q. (2020, September). Antidepressant use among adults: United States, 2015-2018. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm#:~:text=During%202015%E2%80%932018%2C%2013.2%25%20of%20adults%20used%20antidepressants%20in,those%20aged%2060%20and%20over">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm#:~:text=During%202015%E2%80%932018%2C%2013.2%25%20of%20adults%20used%20antidepressants%20in,those%20aged%2060%20and%20over</a>.

<hr />

Brody, D.J., Pratt, L.A., &amp; Hughes, J.P. (2018 February).  Prevalence of depression among adults aged 20 and over: United States, 2013-2016. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db303.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db303.htm</a>

<hr />

Cevic, M., Haque, S.A., Manne-Goehler, J., Sax, P., Majumder, M.S., &amp; Orkin, C. (2021). Gender disparities in coronavirus disease 2019 clinical trial leadership. Clinical Microbiology and Infection (in press). Retrieved from <a href="https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30785-0/fulltext">https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30785-0/fulltext</a>

<hr />

Coaston, J. (2019, May 28). The intersectionality wars. Vox. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/20/18542843/intersectionality-conservatism-law-race-gender-discrimination" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/20/18542843/intersectionality-conservatism-law-race-gender-discrimination</a>

<hr />

Crenshaw, K. (1989). Demarginalizing the intersection of race and sex: A Black feminist critique of antidiscrimination doctrine, feminist theory and antiracist policies. University of Chicago Legal Forum Vol. 1989, Iss. 1, Article 8. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5780707-Demarginalizing-the-Intersection-of-Race-and-Sex">https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5780707-Demarginalizing-the-Intersection-of-Race-and-Sex</a>

<hr />

Gurrieri, L., Previte, J., &amp; Brace-Govan, J. (2012). Women’s bodies as sites of control: Inadvertent stigma and exclusion in social marketing. Journal of Macromarketing 33(2), 128-143.

<hr />

Jackson, A.S., Ellis, K.J., McFarlin, B.K., Sailors, M.H., &amp; Bray, M.S. (2009). Body mass index in defining obesity of diverse young adults: The Training Intervention and Genetics of Exercise Response (TIGER) study. British Journal of Nutrition 102(7), 1084-1090.

<hr />

Kassova, L. (2020, September 8). The missing perspectives of women in COVID-19 news: A special report on women’s under-representation in news media. The Bill &amp; Melinda Gates Foundation. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.iwmf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2020.09.16-FULL-COVID-REPORT.pdf">https://www.iwmf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2020.09.16-FULL-COVID-REPORT.pdf</a>

<hr />

Lewis, H. (2021, March 18). It’s time to lift the female lockdown. The Atlantic. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/03/sarah-everard-and-female-lockdown/618321/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/03/sarah-everard-and-female-lockdown/618321/</a>

<hr />

Livingston, G. (2018, January 18). They’re waiting longer, but U.S. women today more likely to have children than a decade ago. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/01/18/theyre-waiting-longer-but-u-s-women-today-more-likely-to-have-children-than-a-decade-ago/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/01/18/theyre-waiting-longer-but-u-s-women-today-more-likely-to-have-children-than-a-decade-ago/</a>

<hr />

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. (n.d.). Criminal justice fact sheet. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/</a>

<hr />

National Equity Atlas (n.d.). Car access: Everyone needs reliable transportation acces and in most American communities that means a car. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://nationalequityatlas.org/indicators/Car_access#/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://nationalequityatlas.org/indicators/Car_access#/</a>

<hr />

Nuttall, F.Q. (2015). Body Mass Index. Obesity, BMI, and health: A critical review. Butrition Today 50(3), 117-128.

<hr />

Office for National Statistics (n.d.). Homicide in England and Wales: Year ending March 2020. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#groups-of-people-most-likely-to-be-victims-of-homicide">https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#groups-of-people-most-likely-to-be-victims-of-homicide</a>

<hr />

Plank, L. (2019). For the love of men: From toxic to a more mindful masculinity. New York: St. Martin’s.

<hr />

Spohn, C. (2017). Race and sentencing disparity. Reforming Criminal Justice: A Report of the Academy for Justice on Bridging the Gap Between Scholarship and Reform 4, 1690186. Retrieved from <a href="https://law.asu.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/academy_for_justice/9_Criminal_Justice_Reform_Vol_4_Race-and-Sentencing-Disparity.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://law.asu.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/academy_for_justice/9_Criminal_Justice_Reform_Vol_4_Race-and-Sentencing-Disparity.pdf</a>

<hr />

The New York Times (2021, April 5). As we look ahead to life after the pandemic, many people are wondering what will be different in our lives. Author. Retrieved from <a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We've been in a liminal space for the last 15 months or so, since COVID shutdowns.  (The word 'liminal' comes from the Latin root limen, meaning threshold).   It’s a place where a certain part of our lives has come to an end but the next thing hasn’t yet begun, so we’re in a transitional state.

&nbsp;

We're finally starting to see the end of this liminal state but before we can fully emerge into the new world, we need to ask ourselves: what do we want that world to be like?

&nbsp;

Do we want to go back to what it was before?

&nbsp;

Because the world we had before wasn't working for a lot of parents.  We were constantly rushing our children around from one activity to the next, maybe also trying to balance a career at the same time, attending thirty kids' birthday parties a year and just feeling <em>completely spent, most of the time.</em>

&nbsp;

If we don't take the time to think about what we want life to be like when we reopen, chances are it'll look pretty much like it used to.  And that can seem safe!  It's always safer and easier to go back to what we know, rather than forward to what is unknown and scary.

&nbsp;

What would something different even look like?

&nbsp;

Maybe we would have fewer friends, whom we know much better.

&nbsp;

Maybe we would do fewer activities, and spend a bit more time being, rather than always <em>doing.</em>

&nbsp;

Maybe we would actually support families financially instead of having a 'families are the bedrock of our society...but you're on your own to provide for it' approach.

&nbsp;

In this Mother's Day Momifesto, I explore all of these issues, and encourage you to think about how YOU want to be in this new world.

&nbsp;

And if you need help figuring it out, the Parenting Membership is here to help.  We'll support you through the challenges of today (how to prevent tantrums!  raising healthy eaters!  navigating screen time!) while keeping an eye on where we want to go.  Because you need both.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
<!--EndFragment -->

&nbsp;

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<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:27 The Mother's Day Momifesto

02:04 COVID shutdown

04:28 School reopenings

07:04 18% of women in the US have taken antidepressants

09:29 We try to control our bodies in a variety of ways

12:27 Success is defined for men

19:38 Women working communities

20:25 Plenty of parents and children's needs are not met by the school system

22:47 Intersectionality - the idea that different parts of our identities intersect

25:10 Public transit systems are geared around men

26:17 Contribution of scientific research on COVID 19- women scientists have published 19% fewer papers as lead author

29:26 Standard Body Mass Index calculations are based on the weight of White people

31:41 Nonviolent Communication

34:06 How we can begin to make a difference

44:55 Learning how to meet our own needs is a great place to start

46:44 Reopening of your Parenting Membership will close on the midnight of May 12

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Andersen, J.P., Nielsen, M.W., Simone, N.L., Lewiss, R.E., &amp; Jagsi, R. (2020). COVID-19 medical papers have fewer women first authors than expected. Elife 9 (2020): e58807.

<hr />

Belsha, K., Rubinkam, M., LeMee, G.L., &amp; Fenn, L. (2020, September 11). A nationwide divide: Hispanic and Black students more likely than White students to start the year online. Chalkbeat. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.chalkbeat.org/2020/9/11/21431146/hispanic-and-black-students-more-likely-than-white-students-to-start-the-school-year-online">https://www.chalkbeat.org/2020/9/11/21431146/hispanic-and-black-students-more-likely-than-white-students-to-start-the-school-year-online</a>

<hr />

Brody, D.J., &amp; Gu, Q. (2020, September). Antidepressant use among adults: United States, 2015-2018. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm#:~:text=During%202015%E2%80%932018%2C%2013.2%25%20of%20adults%20used%20antidepressants%20in,those%20aged%2060%20and%20over">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm#:~:text=During%202015%E2%80%932018%2C%2013.2%25%20of%20adults%20used%20antidepressants%20in,those%20aged%2060%20and%20over</a>.

<hr />

Brody, D.J., Pratt, L.A., &amp; Hughes, J.P. (2018 February).  Prevalence of depression among adults aged 20 and over: United States, 2013-2016. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db303.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db303.htm</a>

<hr />

Cevic, M., Haque, S.A., Manne-Goehler, J., Sax, P., Majumder, M.S., &amp; Orkin, C. (2021). Gender disparities in coronavirus disease 2019 clinical trial leadership. Clinical Microbiology and Infection (in press). Retrieved from <a href="https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30785-0/fulltext">https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30785-0/fulltext</a>

<hr />

Coaston, J. (2019, May 28). The intersectionality wars. Vox. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/20/18542843/intersectionality-conservatism-law-race-gender-discrimination" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/20/18542843/intersectionality-conservatism-law-race-gender-discrimination</a>

<hr />

Crenshaw, K. (1989). Demarginalizing the intersection of race and sex: A Black feminist critique of antidiscrimination doctrine, feminist theory and antiracist policies. University of Chicago Legal Forum Vol. 1989, Iss. 1, Article 8. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5780707-Demarginalizing-the-Intersection-of-Race-and-Sex">https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5780707-Demarginalizing-the-Intersection-of-Race-and-Sex</a>

<hr />

Gurrieri, L., Previte, J., &amp; Brace-Govan, J. (2012). Women’s bodies as sites of control: Inadvertent stigma and exclusion in social marketing. Journal of Macromarketing 33(2), 128-143.

<hr />

Jackson, A.S., Ellis, K.J., McFarlin, B.K., Sailors, M.H., &amp; Bray, M.S. (2009). Body mass index in defining obesity of diverse young adults: The Training Intervention and Genetics of Exercise Response (TIGER) study. British Journal of Nutrition 102(7), 1084-1090.

<hr />

Kassova, L. (2020, September 8). The missing perspectives of women in COVID-19 news: A special report on women’s under-representation in news media. The Bill &amp; Melinda Gates Foundation. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.iwmf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2020.09.16-FULL-COVID-REPORT.pdf">https://www.iwmf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2020.09.16-FULL-COVID-REPORT.pdf</a>

<hr />

Lewis, H. (2021, March 18). It’s time to lift the female lockdown. The Atlantic. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/03/sarah-everard-and-female-lockdown/618321/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/03/sarah-everard-and-female-lockdown/618321/</a>

<hr />

Livingston, G. (2018, January 18). They’re waiting longer, but U.S. women today more likely to have children than a decade ago. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/01/18/theyre-waiting-longer-but-u-s-women-today-more-likely-to-have-children-than-a-decade-ago/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/01/18/theyre-waiting-longer-but-u-s-women-today-more-likely-to-have-children-than-a-decade-ago/</a>

<hr />

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. (n.d.). Criminal justice fact sheet. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/</a>

<hr />

National Equity Atlas (n.d.). Car access: Everyone needs reliable transportation acces and in most American communities that means a car. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://nationalequityatlas.org/indicators/Car_access#/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://nationalequityatlas.org/indicators/Car_access#/</a>

<hr />

Nuttall, F.Q. (2015). Body Mass Index. Obesity, BMI, and health: A critical review. Butrition Today 50(3), 117-128.

<hr />

Office for National Statistics (n.d.). Homicide in England and Wales: Year ending March 2020. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#groups-of-people-most-likely-to-be-victims-of-homicide">https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#groups-of-people-most-likely-to-be-victims-of-homicide</a>

<hr />

Plank, L. (2019). For the love of men: From toxic to a more mindful masculinity. New York: St. Martin’s.

<hr />

Spohn, C. (2017). Race and sentencing disparity. Reforming Criminal Justice: A Report of the Academy for Justice on Bridging the Gap Between Scholarship and Reform 4, 1690186. Retrieved from <a href="https://law.asu.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/academy_for_justice/9_Criminal_Justice_Reform_Vol_4_Race-and-Sentencing-Disparity.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://law.asu.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/academy_for_justice/9_Criminal_Justice_Reform_Vol_4_Race-and-Sentencing-Disparity.pdf</a>

<hr />

The New York Times (2021, April 5). As we look ahead to life after the pandemic, many people are wondering what will be different in our lives. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/05/us/coronavirus-pandemic.html?action=click&amp;module=Top%20Stories&amp;pgtype=Homepage" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/05/us/coronavirus-pandemic.html?action=click&amp;module=Top%20Stories&amp;pgtype=Homepage</a>

<hr />

The White House (2021, April 28). Fact sheet: The American families plan. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/28/fact-sheet-the-american-families-plan/">https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/28/fact-sheet-the-american-families-plan/</a>

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&nbsp;

The words in the 'before' cloud were perhaps predictable - things like 'worried,' 'overwhelmed,' 'resentful,' and 'guilty.'

&nbsp;

And the most common word in the 'after respectful parenting' word cloud?

&nbsp;

<em>Exhausted.</em>

&nbsp;

What on earth is going on here?

&nbsp;

In this episode I explore five important reasons why respectful parenting is so hard - and what to do about each of them.

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<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

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<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:00 Why we find parenting so hard

01:18 Most prominent words before parents discovered respectful parenting

01:58 Five reasons respectful parenting can be hard

03:03 1st reason: Our needs that our parents just didn’t see despite doing the best they could

05:22 The trauma of unmet needs

06:09 2nd reason: The long game that is respectful parenting

08:54 Our culture trains us to want results

09:56 3rd reason: Our values and what we want to do in an ideal world

10:39 Alfie Kohn’s Unconditional Parenting

13:38 Our child's behavior brings up old trauma

14:10 Shifting the way we see our children

15:12 4th reason: When we see these values that we want to live

16:37 The tendency to engage in negative self-talk

17:58 Self-compassion and mindfulness

19:11 The last (and perhaps not the last) reason

24:47 Super short summary information.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode grew out of a post that long-time friend of the podcast, Dr. Laura Froyen, published in a respectful parenting group that we both work in as admins.  In the post she asked people to share how they felt before and after they discovered respectful parenting, and then she created a word cloud of the results.

&nbsp;

The words in the 'before' cloud were perhaps predictable - things like 'worried,' 'overwhelmed,' 'resentful,' and 'guilty.'

&nbsp;

And the most common word in the 'after respectful parenting' word cloud?

&nbsp;

<em>Exhausted.</em>

&nbsp;

What on earth is going on here?

&nbsp;

In this episode I explore five important reasons why respectful parenting is so hard - and what to do about each of them.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>
<h3></h3>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:00 Why we find parenting so hard

01:18 Most prominent words before parents discovered respectful parenting

01:58 Five reasons respectful parenting can be hard

03:03 1st reason: Our needs that our parents just didn’t see despite doing the best they could

05:22 The trauma of unmet needs

06:09 2nd reason: The long game that is respectful parenting

08:54 Our culture trains us to want results

09:56 3rd reason: Our values and what we want to do in an ideal world

10:39 Alfie Kohn’s Unconditional Parenting

13:38 Our child's behavior brings up old trauma

14:10 Shifting the way we see our children

15:12 4th reason: When we see these values that we want to live

16:37 The tendency to engage in negative self-talk

17:58 Self-compassion and mindfulness

19:11 The last (and perhaps not the last) reason

24:47 Super short summary information.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/respectfulparentingishard]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">61de5b02-f9ae-4edc-ab4d-b87f5b41fa8a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/61de5b02-f9ae-4edc-ab4d-b87f5b41fa8a.mp3" length="13239981" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/42f22585-b293-4e4a-a91b-beba680a2ff7/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>SYPM 012: From fear-filled conflict to parenting as a team</title><itunes:title>SYPM 12: Nicole Glazebrook</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h3><strong>"You're doing it wrong!  You're not asking for consent before changing the diaper!"</strong></h3>
In this Sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode we meet parent Nicole, who has core values related to being empathic, constantly learning, and upholding justice in the world.  These awesome values came together in a difficult way when Nicole became a parent: she had a deep fear of not getting parenting right, so she was constantly reading and trying to find that one piece of information that would close the gap between her struggles and the kind of parent she wanted to be.

&nbsp;

The stress of parenting an infant brought out a controlling side of her where she attempted to script every aspect of her (and her husband's) interactions with her child, thinking they had already screwed up parenting because he hadn't asked their child's consent before changing her diaper.

&nbsp;

Nicole was raised by a single parent who had had a traumatic upbringing, and Nicole grew up sometimes feeling scared by her mother's oversized reactions to normal childhood behavior.  She knew she wanted more for her children - but didn't know what to do.  Over the last year she's been working on 'reparenting' herself so she doesn't have to parent from a place of fear any more, and can relax into understanding her children's feelings - and her own and her partner's feelings as well.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:19 Nicole's background

04:36 Nicole's parenting beliefs and values

06:31 Teaching respect by giving respect

08:07 Fear and anxiety of not getting parenting right

09:32 How inter generational trauma show up in your family

11:37 The unexpected reparenting piece

13:35 How talking about death with children led Nicole to my work

15:13 Nicole's experience with the Parenting Membership

18:32 What shifted in Nicole's that made her decide to take the Membership

19:17 Realizing the most unconditional thing you can do for your kids

20:12 Relationships our complex yet we don't think that way when it comes to our relationship with our children

21:08 Nicole's incredible example of how she shows up for her children and handles things differently now compared to before

24:45 Becoming more confident in parenting

26:09 Having the language to talk about our needs

28:39 How Nicole and her husband wants to model conflict to their children

34:44 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>Resource links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Setting Loving (&amp; Effective) Limits Workshop</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Parenting Membership</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><strong>"You're doing it wrong!  You're not asking for consent before changing the diaper!"</strong></h3>
In this Sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode we meet parent Nicole, who has core values related to being empathic, constantly learning, and upholding justice in the world.  These awesome values came together in a difficult way when Nicole became a parent: she had a deep fear of not getting parenting right, so she was constantly reading and trying to find that one piece of information that would close the gap between her struggles and the kind of parent she wanted to be.

&nbsp;

The stress of parenting an infant brought out a controlling side of her where she attempted to script every aspect of her (and her husband's) interactions with her child, thinking they had already screwed up parenting because he hadn't asked their child's consent before changing her diaper.

&nbsp;

Nicole was raised by a single parent who had had a traumatic upbringing, and Nicole grew up sometimes feeling scared by her mother's oversized reactions to normal childhood behavior.  She knew she wanted more for her children - but didn't know what to do.  Over the last year she's been working on 'reparenting' herself so she doesn't have to parent from a place of fear any more, and can relax into understanding her children's feelings - and her own and her partner's feelings as well.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you. Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

03:19 Nicole's background

04:36 Nicole's parenting beliefs and values

06:31 Teaching respect by giving respect

08:07 Fear and anxiety of not getting parenting right

09:32 How inter generational trauma show up in your family

11:37 The unexpected reparenting piece

13:35 How talking about death with children led Nicole to my work

15:13 Nicole's experience with the Parenting Membership

18:32 What shifted in Nicole's that made her decide to take the Membership

19:17 Realizing the most unconditional thing you can do for your kids

20:12 Relationships our complex yet we don't think that way when it comes to our relationship with our children

21:08 Nicole's incredible example of how she shows up for her children and handles things differently now compared to before

24:45 Becoming more confident in parenting

26:09 Having the language to talk about our needs

28:39 How Nicole and her husband wants to model conflict to their children

34:44 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>Resource links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Setting Loving (&amp; Effective) Limits Workshop</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Parenting Membership</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/nicole]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6e015b33-ba05-4447-8b44-2b919b0e34d7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/6e015b33-ba05-4447-8b44-2b919b0e34d7.mp3" length="46033306" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/0375b26c-93c1-4fd5-b540-7b24a9e4e956/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>134: Beyond Sex Education with Dr. Nadine Thornhill</title><itunes:title>134: Beyond Sex Education with Dr. Natalie Thornhill</itunes:title><description><![CDATA["Do you know what happens to your body when you get older?"

&nbsp;

"Um...you get hairy in some places?"

&nbsp;

"Yeah...other things happen too.  We'll get you some books."

&nbsp;

That was what I learned about sex education when I was seven - I <em>was</em> always grateful that I learned it from my parents (who were pretty terrified to talk about it,  I think) rather than from the other kids at school.  But then the topic wasn't mentioned again until I was about 18, with a vague reference to "being careful" with my first boyfriend, whom I wasn't even sleeping with yet.

&nbsp;

Friends: we have to do more than this if we want our children to be able to show up in relationships as fulfilled human beings who understand what pleasure is, how to ask for it, and how to give it.

&nbsp;

We need our children to know that sex does not have to equal intercourse, and that there are a whole host of ways to enjoy our (and each other's) bodies without doing this if we don't want to do it (when they're ready for it!).

&nbsp;

And we need to help our children understand boundaries so they can protect themselves when they need to - without getting so caught up in the shame that pervades our thinking about sex.  (Since the sex = shame narrative is deeply pervasive in our culture I don't think we can overcome it completely, but we can make a start...).

&nbsp;

In this episode we build on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/pleasuremechanics/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">our conversation with Charlotte Rose about sex for us parents</a> to go (far) Beyond Sex Ed with sex educator <a href="https://www.nadinethornhill.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Nadine Thornhill</a>, whose direct, fun, engaging style will help you to see that you, too, can have conversations about sex and pleasure with your own children.  You can find more information on Dr. Thornhill's work on her <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJqQvHjzDtjLEu9IjpUh68Q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube channel</a> where she addresses topics from what happens if the kid walk in on parents having sex to whether first time sex always hurts, as well as <a href="https://www.instagram.com/nadinethornhill/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">on Instagram</a>.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits </strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:01 Setting Loving and Effective Limits Workshop

02:18 Where we’re at with our mini-series on issues related to sex

03:34 Introducing our guest, Dr. Nadine Thornhill

04:54 The importance of continuing the conversation about sex beyond the basic topics

09:17 Figuring out what kinds of things I need to teach my children and how

12:22 The value of showing our vulnerability to our children

14:45 Talking about the traditional ways we talk about sex and how can we change that narrative

19:03 Having conversations around pleasure of the non-sexual kind

23:27 Modelling intimacy to our children without overdoing it

25:41 Helping our children set boundaries even when we’re having trouble setting boundaries ourselves

31:53 Dr. Thornhill’s son’s case of the “hangry” and how he came to develop recognizing physical signs before he gets hangry

33:41 Talking about shame associated with the White, Christian view of sex

40:34 Talking about bodies and nudity that doesn’t rely on shame

43:07 Going a little deeper into consent and the Authentic Consent Framework

50:48 The House and the Superintendent Metaphor

53:23 How parents can leave more space and be supportive of the potential suite of options about a child’s sexuality

57:46 Should we wait to teach our children about aspects of sex and sexuality until they ask?

01:02:11 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>Guest links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.nadinethornhill.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nadinethornhill.com/links" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s e-books</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/nadinethornhill/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJqQvHjzDtjLEu9IjpUh68Q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s YouTube Channel</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/talk-sex-today/">021: Talk Sex Today!</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sexualabuse/">096: How to prevent sexual abuse</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gendercreative/">097: How to support gender-creative children</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Resource links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/">FREE Setting Loving (&amp; Effective) Limits Workshop</a></li><li> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Funny-Word-Bodies-Feelings/dp/1609806069">Sex Is A Funny Word, by Cory Silverberg</a></li><li><a href="https://thenapministry.wordpress.com/">The Nap Ministry</a></li><li><a href="https://www.outspokeneducation.com/">Outspoken Sex Ed</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA["Do you know what happens to your body when you get older?"

&nbsp;

"Um...you get hairy in some places?"

&nbsp;

"Yeah...other things happen too.  We'll get you some books."

&nbsp;

That was what I learned about sex education when I was seven - I <em>was</em> always grateful that I learned it from my parents (who were pretty terrified to talk about it,  I think) rather than from the other kids at school.  But then the topic wasn't mentioned again until I was about 18, with a vague reference to "being careful" with my first boyfriend, whom I wasn't even sleeping with yet.

&nbsp;

Friends: we have to do more than this if we want our children to be able to show up in relationships as fulfilled human beings who understand what pleasure is, how to ask for it, and how to give it.

&nbsp;

We need our children to know that sex does not have to equal intercourse, and that there are a whole host of ways to enjoy our (and each other's) bodies without doing this if we don't want to do it (when they're ready for it!).

&nbsp;

And we need to help our children understand boundaries so they can protect themselves when they need to - without getting so caught up in the shame that pervades our thinking about sex.  (Since the sex = shame narrative is deeply pervasive in our culture I don't think we can overcome it completely, but we can make a start...).

&nbsp;

In this episode we build on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/pleasuremechanics/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">our conversation with Charlotte Rose about sex for us parents</a> to go (far) Beyond Sex Ed with sex educator <a href="https://www.nadinethornhill.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Nadine Thornhill</a>, whose direct, fun, engaging style will help you to see that you, too, can have conversations about sex and pleasure with your own children.  You can find more information on Dr. Thornhill's work on her <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJqQvHjzDtjLEu9IjpUh68Q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube channel</a> where she addresses topics from what happens if the kid walk in on parents having sex to whether first time sex always hurts, as well as <a href="https://www.instagram.com/nadinethornhill/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">on Instagram</a>.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits </strong></h3>
If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:01 Setting Loving and Effective Limits Workshop

02:18 Where we’re at with our mini-series on issues related to sex

03:34 Introducing our guest, Dr. Nadine Thornhill

04:54 The importance of continuing the conversation about sex beyond the basic topics

09:17 Figuring out what kinds of things I need to teach my children and how

12:22 The value of showing our vulnerability to our children

14:45 Talking about the traditional ways we talk about sex and how can we change that narrative

19:03 Having conversations around pleasure of the non-sexual kind

23:27 Modelling intimacy to our children without overdoing it

25:41 Helping our children set boundaries even when we’re having trouble setting boundaries ourselves

31:53 Dr. Thornhill’s son’s case of the “hangry” and how he came to develop recognizing physical signs before he gets hangry

33:41 Talking about shame associated with the White, Christian view of sex

40:34 Talking about bodies and nudity that doesn’t rely on shame

43:07 Going a little deeper into consent and the Authentic Consent Framework

50:48 The House and the Superintendent Metaphor

53:23 How parents can leave more space and be supportive of the potential suite of options about a child’s sexuality

57:46 Should we wait to teach our children about aspects of sex and sexuality until they ask?

01:02:11 Wrapping up

&nbsp;

<strong>Guest links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.nadinethornhill.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nadinethornhill.com/links" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s e-books</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/nadinethornhill/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJqQvHjzDtjLEu9IjpUh68Q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Nadine’s YouTube Channel</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/talk-sex-today/">021: Talk Sex Today!</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sexualabuse/">096: How to prevent sexual abuse</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/gendercreative/">097: How to support gender-creative children</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Resource links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/">FREE Setting Loving (&amp; Effective) Limits Workshop</a></li><li> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Funny-Word-Bodies-Feelings/dp/1609806069">Sex Is A Funny Word, by Cory Silverberg</a></li><li><a href="https://thenapministry.wordpress.com/">The Nap Ministry</a></li><li><a href="https://www.outspokeneducation.com/">Outspoken Sex Ed</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/beyondsexed]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d7c2f0cb-6f26-47f0-bbd7-113b6584d394</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d7c2f0cb-6f26-47f0-bbd7-113b6584d394.mp3" length="63832859" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:06:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/2dc2200c-4a16-45de-8171-d045349605f0/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>What Carys wants you to know about your children’s feelings</title><itunes:title>What Carys wants you to know about your children&apos;s feelings</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[After dinner a few days ago, Carys randomly started telling us that if we want to understand some of the things she's feeling, we should cast our minds back to when we were children and remember how we would have felt about it at the time.  The conversation continued as we explored more of her feelings when she's having difficult moments, and at some point someone (recollections differ on exactly who it was!) suggested we record a podcast episode about it.

&nbsp;

Carys was immediately on board and wanted to do it right away, but we came back to it the next afternoon.  She thinks that parents often don't understand how their children are feeling and she'd like suggest ways to help your children when they're behaving in a way that may seem 'difficult' to you.

&nbsp;
<h3>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</h3>
<span style="font-size: 16px">If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.</span>

&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign </span>up now for the self-guided Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits. Click the banner to learn more.
<div data-block-id="block-4e130e99-ca27-4e48-a619-36179d5bef43"></div>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:00 My special guest in her podcasting debut

02:18 What helps to understand your kid's feelings

03:18 Feeling the physical sensations of frustration

03:42 What Carys feels when she get 'that feeling'

04:19 Parents don't really understand that children sometimes want to be alone

06:07 Different kids deal with things in different ways

07:34 Our new method for when we disagree on things

10:37 We have rewards now

11:46 Carys's thoughts on problem solving

&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/">Setting Limits Workshop</a></li></ul><br/>
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&nbsp;

Carys was immediately on board and wanted to do it right away, but we came back to it the next afternoon.  She thinks that parents often don't understand how their children are feeling and she'd like suggest ways to help your children when they're behaving in a way that may seem 'difficult' to you.

&nbsp;
<h3>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</h3>
<span style="font-size: 16px">If you want to make your own transformation from a relationship where your child JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to one where you have mutual care and respect for each other’s needs, then the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.</span>

&nbsp;

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<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

01:00 My special guest in her podcasting debut

02:18 What helps to understand your kid's feelings

03:18 Feeling the physical sensations of frustration

03:42 What Carys feels when she get 'that feeling'

04:19 Parents don't really understand that children sometimes want to be alone

06:07 Different kids deal with things in different ways

07:34 Our new method for when we disagree on things

10:37 We have rewards now

11:46 Carys's thoughts on problem solving

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<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/">Setting Limits Workshop</a></li></ul><br/>
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&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div>This is the first in a mini-series of episodes that digs deeper into topics related to sex.  Here we talk with Charlotte Rose, co-host of the <a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/speaking-of-sex-podcast/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/speaking-of-sex-podcast/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEGqsR3v7iW_2GXJ3ZovuOIV3GFOw">Speaking of Sex podcast</a> by the Pleasure Mechanics, about what and how we adults learned about sex.</div>
<div></div>
<div>We talk about the shame that pretty much all of us learned to associate with sex (and how to overcome that), and what we can do to improve the chances of having sex with our partner - even if we're feeling so tired that this currently seems out of the question.</div>
&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div>We're setting the stage here to approach sex from a less pressured, more fun perspective - which will help us in an upcoming episode to figure out what we want to discuss with our children about sex, sexuality, and pleasure.</div>
&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div></div>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li>(01:00) Today's topic and Parenting Membership reopening announcement</li>
 	<li>(02:20) Setting Loving and Effective Limits workshop announcement</li>
 	<li>(03:55) Chris and Charlotte Rose the Pleasure Mechanics</li>
 	<li>(05:16) The primary focus of today's episode</li>
 	<li>(06:09) Sex isn't what it used to be before we became parents</li>
 	<li>(08:39) Responsive desire and spontaneous desire</li>
 	<li>(09:17) Erotic simulation and how there is nothing wrong with your sexual relationship</li>
 	<li>(11:54) Creating a culture of pleasure within your relationship</li>
 	<li>(14:42) Continual consent - it doesn't always need to lead to sex</li>
 	<li>(15:34) Sex is adults at play</li>
 	<li>(17:37) Sex educations centered around abstinence, secrecy, and shame and how we move forward from that</li>
 	<li>(20:39) A parenting opportunity to create a different culture for our children, so that they have to unlearn so much less with regards to sex</li>
 	<li>(22:35) How does shame show up in parents' sexual relationship?</li>
 	<li>(25:21) So much judgment about sexuality and how it gets in the way of our connection with our partner</li>
 	<li>(29:04) A culture of community care to have these conversations</li>
 	<li>(29:49) Initiation and refusal/rejection</li>
 	<li>(34:36) Mindful sex: How to enjoy sex more</li>
 	<li>(39:27) Finding that balance when having the sex conversation with our children</li>
 	<li>(42:23) Giving kids the building blocks so that they can have an experience to healthy sexuality when it is time for them</li>
 	<li>(45:39) Experiencing self massage in a non sexual way</li>
 	<li>(50:16) Body neutrality</li>
 	<li>(51:36) Wrapping up</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<div>Here are the resources we discussed on the show:</div>
&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div><b>Pleasure Mechanics Resources</b></div>
<ul>
 	<li>Charlotte &amp; Chris' free online course <a href="https://pleasuremechanics.teachable.com/p/the-erotic-essentials/?affcode=160539_6-lm4yqi" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://pleasuremechanics.teachable.com/p/the-erotic-essentials/?affcode%3D160539_6-lm4yqi&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEJl7HtV81eI-t13pTr3sQqdc4ijw">The Erotic Essentials</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://pleasuremechanics.com/talk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://pleasuremechanics.com/talk&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFTPp4eTLNCmEWfBHdy8nSVOKbD7A">Conversation starters about sex</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/sexual-desire-spontaneous-vs-responsive/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/sexual-desire-spontaneous-vs-responsive/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHSTZS76tFrPD7BuBJutkKh2S6eqw">Podcast episode on spontaneous vs. responsive desire</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/better-sex-mindfulness-lori-brotto/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/better-sex-mindfulness-lori-brotto/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNElhDFIZhb-YTYK4WgW3ivehkX1qA">Podcast episode on mindful sex</a> (making sex better through focusing on the present)</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/your-body-is-good-enough/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/your-body-is-good-enough/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEkd2Lr1X4fYMvJUx30inoBkYYWNw">Podcast episode on body image</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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&nbsp;
<div><b>Other Resources</b></div>
<div></div>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.aasect.org/referral-directory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.aasect.org/referral-directory&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEKy-oP_IM52lm8JRNOCu7hxwak6Q">AASECT therapist referral directory</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/files/why_humans_have_sex_2007.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/files/why_humans_have_sex_2007.pdf&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGQkIzi_CnLbzx5t8m0rLy8f1l7wA">Peer-reviewed article on the 237 reasons people have sex</a></li>
 	<li>Guy Winch's TED Talk on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2hc2FLOdhI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DF2hc2FLOdhI&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEkZZLsMJnHjlaFMxVX5XRbCfH02w">How to Practice Emotional First Aid</a>, as well as more explicit resources on <a href="https://ideas.ted.com/why-rejection-hurts-so-much-and-what-to-do-about-it/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ideas.ted.com/why-rejection-hurts-so-much-and-what-to-do-about-it/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNG22B_tV2ah4dHGEMhSL2JOQJpSUA">why rejection hurts so much</a> - and <a href="https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/108/15/6270.full.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/108/15/6270.full.pdf&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGPZc8VunGEHDAE1fTVbclwBPNJ9Q">in peer-reviewed form too</a></li>
 	<li>Research on <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6640099/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6640099/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFZKbzu86yO05Lg_NCq3XlPUP2B-Q">mindful</a> <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269449523_Mindful_sex" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269449523_Mindful_sex&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEd3fgStQlzvPsySD7jBGSQq93KmQ">sex</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.outspokeneducation.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.outspokeneducation.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1631503750865000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGey7lLi27drHaNOs9u0m1N_7ZtuA">Outspoken Sex Ed</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Made for you by Jen:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/">The Parenting Membership</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/">FREE Setting Loving and Effective Limits Workshop</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I’m Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research on principles of Respectful Parenting. if you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen to You, and What to Do About Each One, just head over to...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Today we build on episodes that we've done in the past on talking with children about the basics of sex (so when you listen to this episode we're assuming you've got the basics covered - things like <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/talk-sex-today/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/talk-sex-today/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGmp4GYRfAOWmIrLlB6HmV_fLES2g">using anatomically correct names for body parts</a> and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sexualabuse/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sexualabuse/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEAf0qPHp16hcNF2c9-4PkA4BuM6g">taking basic steps to prevent sexual abuse</a>).</div>
&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div>This is the first in a mini-series of episodes that digs deeper into topics related to sex.  Here we talk with Charlotte Rose, co-host of the <a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/speaking-of-sex-podcast/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/speaking-of-sex-podcast/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEGqsR3v7iW_2GXJ3ZovuOIV3GFOw">Speaking of Sex podcast</a> by the Pleasure Mechanics, about what and how we adults learned about sex.</div>
<div></div>
<div>We talk about the shame that pretty much all of us learned to associate with sex (and how to overcome that), and what we can do to improve the chances of having sex with our partner - even if we're feeling so tired that this currently seems out of the question.</div>
&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div>We're setting the stage here to approach sex from a less pressured, more fun perspective - which will help us in an upcoming episode to figure out what we want to discuss with our children about sex, sexuality, and pleasure.</div>
&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div></div>
<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li>(01:00) Today's topic and Parenting Membership reopening announcement</li>
 	<li>(02:20) Setting Loving and Effective Limits workshop announcement</li>
 	<li>(03:55) Chris and Charlotte Rose the Pleasure Mechanics</li>
 	<li>(05:16) The primary focus of today's episode</li>
 	<li>(06:09) Sex isn't what it used to be before we became parents</li>
 	<li>(08:39) Responsive desire and spontaneous desire</li>
 	<li>(09:17) Erotic simulation and how there is nothing wrong with your sexual relationship</li>
 	<li>(11:54) Creating a culture of pleasure within your relationship</li>
 	<li>(14:42) Continual consent - it doesn't always need to lead to sex</li>
 	<li>(15:34) Sex is adults at play</li>
 	<li>(17:37) Sex educations centered around abstinence, secrecy, and shame and how we move forward from that</li>
 	<li>(20:39) A parenting opportunity to create a different culture for our children, so that they have to unlearn so much less with regards to sex</li>
 	<li>(22:35) How does shame show up in parents' sexual relationship?</li>
 	<li>(25:21) So much judgment about sexuality and how it gets in the way of our connection with our partner</li>
 	<li>(29:04) A culture of community care to have these conversations</li>
 	<li>(29:49) Initiation and refusal/rejection</li>
 	<li>(34:36) Mindful sex: How to enjoy sex more</li>
 	<li>(39:27) Finding that balance when having the sex conversation with our children</li>
 	<li>(42:23) Giving kids the building blocks so that they can have an experience to healthy sexuality when it is time for them</li>
 	<li>(45:39) Experiencing self massage in a non sexual way</li>
 	<li>(50:16) Body neutrality</li>
 	<li>(51:36) Wrapping up</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<div>Here are the resources we discussed on the show:</div>
&nbsp;
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div><b>Pleasure Mechanics Resources</b></div>
<ul>
 	<li>Charlotte &amp; Chris' free online course <a href="https://pleasuremechanics.teachable.com/p/the-erotic-essentials/?affcode=160539_6-lm4yqi" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://pleasuremechanics.teachable.com/p/the-erotic-essentials/?affcode%3D160539_6-lm4yqi&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEJl7HtV81eI-t13pTr3sQqdc4ijw">The Erotic Essentials</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://pleasuremechanics.com/talk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://pleasuremechanics.com/talk&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFTPp4eTLNCmEWfBHdy8nSVOKbD7A">Conversation starters about sex</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/sexual-desire-spontaneous-vs-responsive/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/sexual-desire-spontaneous-vs-responsive/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHSTZS76tFrPD7BuBJutkKh2S6eqw">Podcast episode on spontaneous vs. responsive desire</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/better-sex-mindfulness-lori-brotto/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/better-sex-mindfulness-lori-brotto/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNElhDFIZhb-YTYK4WgW3ivehkX1qA">Podcast episode on mindful sex</a> (making sex better through focusing on the present)</li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/your-body-is-good-enough/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pleasuremechanics.com/your-body-is-good-enough/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEkd2Lr1X4fYMvJUx30inoBkYYWNw">Podcast episode on body image</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<div><b>Other Resources</b></div>
<div></div>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.aasect.org/referral-directory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.aasect.org/referral-directory&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEKy-oP_IM52lm8JRNOCu7hxwak6Q">AASECT therapist referral directory</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/files/why_humans_have_sex_2007.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/files/why_humans_have_sex_2007.pdf&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGQkIzi_CnLbzx5t8m0rLy8f1l7wA">Peer-reviewed article on the 237 reasons people have sex</a></li>
 	<li>Guy Winch's TED Talk on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2hc2FLOdhI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DF2hc2FLOdhI&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEkZZLsMJnHjlaFMxVX5XRbCfH02w">How to Practice Emotional First Aid</a>, as well as more explicit resources on <a href="https://ideas.ted.com/why-rejection-hurts-so-much-and-what-to-do-about-it/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ideas.ted.com/why-rejection-hurts-so-much-and-what-to-do-about-it/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNG22B_tV2ah4dHGEMhSL2JOQJpSUA">why rejection hurts so much</a> - and <a href="https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/108/15/6270.full.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/108/15/6270.full.pdf&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGPZc8VunGEHDAE1fTVbclwBPNJ9Q">in peer-reviewed form too</a></li>
 	<li>Research on <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6640099/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6640099/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFZKbzu86yO05Lg_NCq3XlPUP2B-Q">mindful</a> <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269449523_Mindful_sex" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269449523_Mindful_sex&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1617495885482000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEd3fgStQlzvPsySD7jBGSQq93KmQ">sex</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.outspokeneducation.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.outspokeneducation.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1631503750865000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGey7lLi27drHaNOs9u0m1N_7ZtuA">Outspoken Sex Ed</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Made for you by Jen:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership/">The Parenting Membership</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits/">FREE Setting Loving and Effective Limits Workshop</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I’m Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research on principles of Respectful Parenting. if you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen to You, and What to Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a bit of a different episode lined up for you today, and if you usually listen to the show with your children around, you might want to reconsider that one today because we're going to be talking about S-E-X. And now we have thousands of little kids around the world asking, "What's S-E-X?" So before we get started with this awesome conversation, I wanted to let you know about a couple things happening in the Your Parenting Mojo world. Firstly, open enrollment for the Parenting Membership is coming up starting on May 2. The membership helps families to take information from the podcast and provides the guidance and the support that you need to help you implement these ideas in your own home with your own family. So whether you're struggling with parenting at the moment and wondering how much longer can things keep going like this, or if you're seeing the vaccine-related light at the end of the tunnel and thinking it's not going to be like this forever, and you're looking for tools to support you through that transition, as well as the normal day to day challenges that will still keep coming up as we all get back to real life, the Parenting membership provides the support that you need to not just survive, but thrive in your parenting journey. I’ll share more in the coming weeks. But in the meantime, you can go to YourParentingMojo.com/ParentingMembership to learn more about the membership. And while you're there, you can join the waitlist if you'd like to be the first to be notified when it reopens.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:20

For those of you who might be interested in the membership but would like to dip a toe in the water first or if you can't wait and you need help ASAP then I have some news for you there too. i've just reopened registration for my Setting Loving and Effective Limits Workshop. Normally this is available to pay for and work through at your own pace, but starting Monday, April 26, I will walk you through the whole thing in a series of exercise to help you see limits in an entirely different way. You'll have a little bit of reading and a short exercise to do each day for five days and a supportive community that isn't on Facebook to ask questions and get answers in the community as well as through a masterclass call, where you'll get the chance to ask me questions directly. if you find yourself setting a lot of limits on your children's behavior and they aren't listening to you or they're actively defying you. in the workshop, you'll learn how to cut the number of limits you set by at least half while also not becoming the dreaded permissive parent whose child walks all over them. Parents who go through the workshop report that the tone of the interactions they have in their family makes a huge shift after they learn these tools. And suddenly their children who used to resist every single little thing, are now willing to do amazing things like cooperate, and collaborate, and compromise. So if you could use some more of these things in your life, then head on over to YourParentingMojo.com/SettingLimits to register for the FREE Setting Loving and Effective Limits workshop. Registrations open now and the workshop get started on Monday, April 26. I’ll see you there.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:55

So we were supposed to have two guests today, Chris and Charlotte Rose, who are a couple and who are known as the Pleasure Mechanics, and they are also the host of the podcast Speaking of Sex with the Pleasure Mechanics. And unfortunately Chris is in some gastrointestinal distress and is unable to join us today, but Charlotte has gamely agreed to appear with us, and we're hoping that Chris will be available on a future date to continue the conversation. So I found Chris and Charlotte in a really random way because I was exploring a blog post that therapists Dr. Esther Perel had written called the 7 Verbs That Shaped the Way You Love., and we were looking at that in the Parenting Membership Community because one of the important ways that we've learned about these verbs is through our relationships with our children. And we learned about these through our interactions with our parents. And so the most interesting and useful analysis that I found that super short blog post was in a podcast hosted by our new friends Chris and Charlotte and when I started digging into their work, I realized that I wanted to explore so much more about the ways that our children learn about being in relationships as well as about sex from us. And so I’m not just talking about the anatomically correct terminology and how to spot sexual abuse because we have done episodes on both of those things but how to help children understand boundaries and communication and pleasure in their intimate relationships.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:16

And so today we're going to focus primarily on the parents angle at this and then we will have more guests, hopefully Chris and some other guests as well in the future, looking at how our children learn about this and what our children are learning and what we want to be teaching them about this. So to formally introduce them, Chris who wishes she were here and Charlotte who is here have very similar bios. Reading through their bios, they both studied Sociology as undergrads, then Sexological Bodywork and then Somatic Sexology and then erotic massage and they've been creating online resources on erotic education since 2006. The internet was a thing in 2006. And they're also parents of a six-year-old so welcome Charlotte today and welcome in spirit to Chris as well.

&nbsp;

<strong>Charlotte Rose  </strong>06:04

Thank you so much. I’m so happy to be here and yes...

&nbsp;

<strong>Charlotte Rose  </strong>06:06

Chris is so sorry not to be here but hopefully you will chat another moment. Yeah.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:06

Yeah.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:09

Yeah I hope so too. Awesome! Well we are really glad to have you here and we're wondering if maybe we can kind of ease into this topic with something that I’m guessing affects a lot of parents and maybe you're not immune from this either despite all of your training and that is that sex probably isn't what it used to be before we became parents. And we actually use the term kind of broadly in our lives B.C. to mean Before Carys which is our daughter's name and so we might say something like "Oh, we used to do X like mountain biking Before Carys - B.C. -  and of course sex is one of those things that can fit into that framework as well. And so I’m curious with all the people that you work with I’m sure many of them are parents, how common is this in among the people that you work with?

&nbsp;

<strong>Charlotte Rose  </strong>06:52

It is so common and I really want people to know that that it is so normal and it makes so much sense that it is harder to prioritize sex in these early years of having kids especially some experts say that up to kind of when your youngest kid is four or five that your life just is so different in this area and it makes sense like our focus of attention is so on this little being all of a sudden and that changes the relational dynamics entirely in your family, in your relationship. We just don't have enough time to take care of ourselves to rest to sleep. Our hormones have changed our experience of our body has changed. Even for non-carrying parents which is also interesting to think about like the oxytocin levels we're getting from looking at our baby is nourishing in a way and we sometimes don't need it as much from our partner and somebody can feel left out because of that. There are just hundreds of dynamics going on depending on your specific family but the similarities are that it is extremely hard to create time and have the energy to be able to really cultivate this part of our life. And we really like to remember that there are seasons of sexuality in our lifetime and that this one is a harder one and partly if we can go at it knowing that that's normal and that we want to stay connected as much as possible so when we get to the other side of that we still want to be having sex with this person and that we feel connected and supported enough that we are interested and want to keep our sexual relationship going. I also want to tell people that like I cannot tell you how many like late 50s, 60s, 70-year-olds report they're having the best sex of our lives. So also just want to know that there is hope ahead because I found that really like surprising and interesting when I first kept hearing this message.

&nbsp;

<strong>Charlotte Rose  </strong>08:39

But one of the important things I want people to know to be able to shift this slowly and to try and increase the amount of connection and intimate connection we can be having is to really know about this idea of responsive desire versus spontaneous desire because this is something that has been studied and it's so important to know. So we have this cultural idea that we experience desire first and then arousal. And often that is how men experience arousal but that's not even always true. But in reality there is this whole... so it's sort of like a lightning bolt hits you...

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>09:14

Yeah like how it happens in the movies.

&nbsp;

<strong>Charlotte Rose  </strong>09:17

That's how we think of right like what happens in Hollywood films so we've been trained like that is what sex is and anyone who deviates from that is broken or not normal and there's something wrong with you. But in reality there's this whole other way of being with our desire and arousal where we're not that]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/pleasuremechanics]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5a00e5e1-c816-46c0-8bc4-b96738466982</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3e235aba-9c9c-4eeb-a3d8-34e480b712bd/your-parenting-mojo-pleasure-mechanics-v3.mp3" length="52318795" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>132: How implicit bias affects my child (Part 2)</title><itunes:title>132: How implicit bias affects my child (Part 2)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div>

Do we really know what implicit bias is, and whether we have it?

This is the second episode on our two-part series on implicit bias; the first part was an <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/implicitbias/">interview with Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</a>, former Dean of the Department of Psychology at Harvard University, and co-creator of the Implicit Association Test.

But the body of research on this topic is large and quite complicated, and I couldn't possibly do it justice in one episode.  There are a number of criticisms of the test which are worth examining, so we can get a better sense for whether implicit bias is really something we should be spending our time thinking about - or if our problems with explicit bias are big enough that we would do better to focus there first.

</div>
<div></div>
<div><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></div>
<div>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(03:38) Is implicit bias baked into our bodies?</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(06:27) About the Implicit Association Test (IAT)</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(08:13) Criticism of the IAT and Dr. Banaji’s response</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(12:48) Blindspot and the inception of the IAT</span></li>
 	<li>(13:41) We make judgements about individuals based on how they look</li>
 	<li>(14:12) We often say things that aren't true, even if we think we are truthful</li>
 	<li>(16:01) The premise of the IAT and how it works</li>
 	<li>(18:13) Conflicting definition of what implicit bias is</li>
 	<li>(19:40) Meta-analysis of implicit bias</li>
 	<li>(33:16) Implicit bias on the decline in recent years</li>
 	<li>(35:37) The persistent problem with IAT</li>
 	<li>(42:59) From macro-issues to the micro-issues of IAT</li>
 	<li>(53:54) My takeways</li>
</ul><br/>
<strong>Resources:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="http://implicit.harvard.edu">Implicit Association Test</a></li>
</ul><br/>
</div>
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div>

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[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of Respectful Parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen To You and What To Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we start this week's episode, I wanted to take a minute to thank you for being a part of this parenting journey with me and to share a quick update on where things stand with the podcast after four and a half years now. What is that saying? The days are long and the years are short? It certainly seems to be the case here. And well for some of you listening, this may be the very first episode that you're listening to, there are many others who have been with me for the entire 132 plus episodes that I've created to date. We're close to surpassing a million and a half downloads from all around the world, and my goodness, it's a bit strange to even say those words aloud given that I started the show with basically no idea whether anyone would be interested in listening. And it's such an honor to me when you recommend the show to your friends and to other parents at your daycare or preschool. When you share specific episodes that have helped you to find the answers that work with your family and your online communities. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that developing Your Parenting Mojo, which is now the podcast episodes, blog posts, courses, workshops, membership content is more than a full-time job. I have a very small team that helps me to keep my own sanity and my husband is now involved as well. Maybe one day he'll even listen to as many episodes as some of my most dedicated listeners have. Even my daughter now signs off on her videos at home with the brought to you by YourParentingMojo.com. And as the word continues to spread, more and more parents are making transformative lasting change using the methods that we talked about here on the show. We are big cohort in the current Taming Your Triggers workshop who are supporting each other and understanding the sources of their triggered feelings. And just a week or two in they were already reporting the ability to create space for responses to their children that fit with their values, where that just hadn't seemed possible before. And I'm very happy to share that the Parenting Membership open enrollment is just around the corner and will run from May 2 through May 12 in time for celebrating Mother's Day, while the learning membership is going to reopen later in the summer. The community of parents that have already enrolled in the Parenting Membership continues to grow and it's a great resource of knowledge and support and community to help anyone who's looking to apply the ideas and strategies that you hear on the podcast in your own family at home. So I'll share more as we get closer to open enrollment. But for those of you who want to learn more or to join the waitlist, feel free to go to YourParentingMojo.com/ParentingMembership. And thanks again to each and every one of you who have joined me on this parenting journey over the last four and a half years. I learn and I grow every day as a parent and it's amazing to share all this with you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:38

So let's get into our real topic of the day, which is part two of our miniseries on implicit bias. Today we're going to continue to open a real can of worms that's already half opened, and that I had no idea that I was about to open when I started researching this episode. So I've been interested in the connection between the brain and the body for some time now, and I'm planning a series of episodes to explore this topic in some depth. And one aspect of this is related to knowledge that we hold in our bodies rather than in our brains. And as I started to explore that idea, I was thinking about intuition, which we often experience as a felt sense in our bodies rather than a decision that we make in our brains. And that led me down a path toward understanding the role our gut plays in what we know. But another branch of this path led me to the topic of implicit bias because I was thinking, Okay, if we start relying on our brains a bit less and trusting our bodies a bit more, how can we know that this will lead us in a direction that's actually aligned with our values? What if implicit bias means that listening to our bodies actually takes us away from living our values because our bodies have implicit bias baked in so deeply?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>04:43

Now I've read the book Blind Spot: The Hidden Biases of Good People by doctors Mahzarin Banaji and Anthony Greenwald some years ago, but I hadn't dug into the research behind it at the time. The book's premise is that we have visual blind spots, which are places where visual information is missing, but our brains fill in the gaps without us realizing it, which can be seen when a person whose visual cortex has been damaged and they can't see an object like a hammer in front of them, but if you ask them to reach out and grasp it, then they'll be able to do it. The author state that a parallel idea exists with non-visual stimuli as well, they say and I'm going to quote "Rather than an effective visual perception, this book focuses on another type of blind spot, one that contains a large set of biases and keeps them hidden just as patients who can't see a hammer can still act as if they do. Hidden biases are capable of guiding our behavior without our being aware of their role. What are the hidden biases of this book's title? They are for lack of a better term bits of knowledge about social groups. These bits of knowledge are stored in our brains because we encounter them so frequently in our cultural environments. Once lodged in our minds, hidden biases can influence our behavior towards members of particular social groups, but we remain oblivious to their influence. In this book, we aim to make clear why many scientists ourselves very much included, now recognize hidden bias blind spots as fully believable because of the sheer weight of scientific evidence that demands this conclusion. But convincing readers of this is no simple challenge. How can we show the existence of something in our own minds of which we remain completely unaware?" The book goes on to describe a test called the Implicit Association Test, or IAT, which was designed by Dr. Greenwald and modified by both authors over the years, starting when Dr. Banaji was Dr. Greenwald’s graduate student.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:27

And so I'd known about what is the Race IAT  for a number of years, there are actually now quite a few of them on topics ranging from age to religion to body weight. The landing page at implicit.harvard.edu, which is where these tests are housed, doesn't say much about the purpose of these tests. You have to click into the About the IAT page to see the description that "The IAT measures the strength of associations between concepts, for example, Black people, gay people, and evaluations, for example, good and bad, or stereotypes, for...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>

Do we really know what implicit bias is, and whether we have it?

This is the second episode on our two-part series on implicit bias; the first part was an <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/implicitbias/">interview with Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</a>, former Dean of the Department of Psychology at Harvard University, and co-creator of the Implicit Association Test.

But the body of research on this topic is large and quite complicated, and I couldn't possibly do it justice in one episode.  There are a number of criticisms of the test which are worth examining, so we can get a better sense for whether implicit bias is really something we should be spending our time thinking about - or if our problems with explicit bias are big enough that we would do better to focus there first.

</div>
<div></div>
<div><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></div>
<div>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(03:38) Is implicit bias baked into our bodies?</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(06:27) About the Implicit Association Test (IAT)</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(08:13) Criticism of the IAT and Dr. Banaji’s response</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(12:48) Blindspot and the inception of the IAT</span></li>
 	<li>(13:41) We make judgements about individuals based on how they look</li>
 	<li>(14:12) We often say things that aren't true, even if we think we are truthful</li>
 	<li>(16:01) The premise of the IAT and how it works</li>
 	<li>(18:13) Conflicting definition of what implicit bias is</li>
 	<li>(19:40) Meta-analysis of implicit bias</li>
 	<li>(33:16) Implicit bias on the decline in recent years</li>
 	<li>(35:37) The persistent problem with IAT</li>
 	<li>(42:59) From macro-issues to the micro-issues of IAT</li>
 	<li>(53:54) My takeways</li>
</ul><br/>
<strong>Resources:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="http://implicit.harvard.edu">Implicit Association Test</a></li>
</ul><br/>
</div>
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div>

[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want her children to lead fulfilling lives but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of Respectful Parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen To You and What To Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we start this week's episode, I wanted to take a minute to thank you for being a part of this parenting journey with me and to share a quick update on where things stand with the podcast after four and a half years now. What is that saying? The days are long and the years are short? It certainly seems to be the case here. And well for some of you listening, this may be the very first episode that you're listening to, there are many others who have been with me for the entire 132 plus episodes that I've created to date. We're close to surpassing a million and a half downloads from all around the world, and my goodness, it's a bit strange to even say those words aloud given that I started the show with basically no idea whether anyone would be interested in listening. And it's such an honor to me when you recommend the show to your friends and to other parents at your daycare or preschool. When you share specific episodes that have helped you to find the answers that work with your family and your online communities. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that developing Your Parenting Mojo, which is now the podcast episodes, blog posts, courses, workshops, membership content is more than a full-time job. I have a very small team that helps me to keep my own sanity and my husband is now involved as well. Maybe one day he'll even listen to as many episodes as some of my most dedicated listeners have. Even my daughter now signs off on her videos at home with the brought to you by YourParentingMojo.com. And as the word continues to spread, more and more parents are making transformative lasting change using the methods that we talked about here on the show. We are big cohort in the current Taming Your Triggers workshop who are supporting each other and understanding the sources of their triggered feelings. And just a week or two in they were already reporting the ability to create space for responses to their children that fit with their values, where that just hadn't seemed possible before. And I'm very happy to share that the Parenting Membership open enrollment is just around the corner and will run from May 2 through May 12 in time for celebrating Mother's Day, while the learning membership is going to reopen later in the summer. The community of parents that have already enrolled in the Parenting Membership continues to grow and it's a great resource of knowledge and support and community to help anyone who's looking to apply the ideas and strategies that you hear on the podcast in your own family at home. So I'll share more as we get closer to open enrollment. But for those of you who want to learn more or to join the waitlist, feel free to go to YourParentingMojo.com/ParentingMembership. And thanks again to each and every one of you who have joined me on this parenting journey over the last four and a half years. I learn and I grow every day as a parent and it's amazing to share all this with you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:38

So let's get into our real topic of the day, which is part two of our miniseries on implicit bias. Today we're going to continue to open a real can of worms that's already half opened, and that I had no idea that I was about to open when I started researching this episode. So I've been interested in the connection between the brain and the body for some time now, and I'm planning a series of episodes to explore this topic in some depth. And one aspect of this is related to knowledge that we hold in our bodies rather than in our brains. And as I started to explore that idea, I was thinking about intuition, which we often experience as a felt sense in our bodies rather than a decision that we make in our brains. And that led me down a path toward understanding the role our gut plays in what we know. But another branch of this path led me to the topic of implicit bias because I was thinking, Okay, if we start relying on our brains a bit less and trusting our bodies a bit more, how can we know that this will lead us in a direction that's actually aligned with our values? What if implicit bias means that listening to our bodies actually takes us away from living our values because our bodies have implicit bias baked in so deeply?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>04:43

Now I've read the book Blind Spot: The Hidden Biases of Good People by doctors Mahzarin Banaji and Anthony Greenwald some years ago, but I hadn't dug into the research behind it at the time. The book's premise is that we have visual blind spots, which are places where visual information is missing, but our brains fill in the gaps without us realizing it, which can be seen when a person whose visual cortex has been damaged and they can't see an object like a hammer in front of them, but if you ask them to reach out and grasp it, then they'll be able to do it. The author state that a parallel idea exists with non-visual stimuli as well, they say and I'm going to quote "Rather than an effective visual perception, this book focuses on another type of blind spot, one that contains a large set of biases and keeps them hidden just as patients who can't see a hammer can still act as if they do. Hidden biases are capable of guiding our behavior without our being aware of their role. What are the hidden biases of this book's title? They are for lack of a better term bits of knowledge about social groups. These bits of knowledge are stored in our brains because we encounter them so frequently in our cultural environments. Once lodged in our minds, hidden biases can influence our behavior towards members of particular social groups, but we remain oblivious to their influence. In this book, we aim to make clear why many scientists ourselves very much included, now recognize hidden bias blind spots as fully believable because of the sheer weight of scientific evidence that demands this conclusion. But convincing readers of this is no simple challenge. How can we show the existence of something in our own minds of which we remain completely unaware?" The book goes on to describe a test called the Implicit Association Test, or IAT, which was designed by Dr. Greenwald and modified by both authors over the years, starting when Dr. Banaji was Dr. Greenwald’s graduate student.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:27

And so I'd known about what is the Race IAT  for a number of years, there are actually now quite a few of them on topics ranging from age to religion to body weight. The landing page at implicit.harvard.edu, which is where these tests are housed, doesn't say much about the purpose of these tests. You have to click into the About the IAT page to see the description that "The IAT measures the strength of associations between concepts, for example, Black people, gay people, and evaluations, for example, good and bad, or stereotypes, for example, athletic or clumsy. The main idea is that making your responses easier when closely related items share the same response key, the IAT scores based on how long it takes a person on average, to sort the words in the third part of the IAT versus the fifth part of the IAT. We would say that one has an implicit preference for thin people relative to fat people if they are faster to categorize words, when thin people and good share a response key, and fat people and bad share a response key relative to the reverse."

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>07:25

I think I’d even taken the Race IAT once before, a long time ago, which is the version of the test that most people assume you’re talking about when you mention the IAT.  I don’t remember for sure what the result was but I assume it gave the result that it gives about 75% of people who take it, which is to say that they have implicit bias against Black people.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>07:44

I came back to the book again and poked around on both Dr. Banaji’s and Dr. Greenwald’s websites to see what they had been up to recently.  I noticed that the most recent publication on Dr. Banaji’s website was co-authored with Dr. Yarrow Dunham, whom we met way back in episode 28 on how social groups form, which is linked to implicit bias.  I emailed him and asked if he would be kind enough to introduce me to Dr. Banaji, which he was, and she quickly responded to say that while she was too swamped for an interview she’d be happy to answer three or four questions.  So: so far, so good.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>08:13

Now, Pretty often when I reach out to researchers I’ve been able to get an overview of the concept and of their work but I haven’t yet done a deep dive, because if they say ‘no’ then I will have wasted several days of prep work as I’d have to find someone else to ask and then have to do a deep dive into *their* work.  So after Dr. Banaji agreed to answer some questions I reread Blindspot, and thirty peer-reviewed papers on implicit bias, and some really well-written articles in the popular press (and some not so well-written ones as well), and then things got a bit difficult.  I want to give a special shout-out to journalist Jesse Singal, who wrote a really excellent piece on the topic of the research behind the IAT in an online magazine called The Cut.  I had it open in my browser for a while as I was digging into the peer-reviewed literature and when I finally came back to it I found he had already coalesced a number of the thoughts that were swirling in my brain and had pointed to many of the studies I had by then found “by myself,” and directed me to a few more besides.  He also reached out to a number of the researchers who have been involved in quite a drama of dueling analyses about the IAT which has played out in peer reviewed journals over the last decade or so (dramas in the peer reviewed journal world tend to unfold in slow motion!).  It’s been a drama because there seems to be a great deal of uncertainty about whether the IAT measures what it says it measures, and whether that has any practical significance in the real world.   I ended up actually writing the majority of this episode’s content to try to explain to myself what this web of findings was, and I sent the text to Dr. Banaji along with some succinct questions and she responded that she had never met an interviewer who had done more in-depth preparation and would I like to talk?  So I said yes, I very much would, and you’ve already heard the outcome of that interview in a recent episode, where hopefully you got a good grounding in what the IAT is and how it works.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>09:56

And we'll cover a bit more on that in a few minutes. But I have to say that I was highly hesitant to try to do anything that looked remotely like challenging the research on which the IAT sits because of something that appeared toward the end of Jessie Singal’s article in The Cut.  He emailed Dr. Banaji with some questions about the kinds of methodological questions about the IAT that we’re going to look at in this episode, and he says she “repeatedly asserted that criticisms of the IAT come from a small group of reactionary researchers, and that questioning the IAT is not something normal, well-adjusted people do.”

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>10:30

He goes on to quote her directly: “Of course it annoys people when a simple test that spits out two numbers produces this sort of attention, changes scientific practice, and appeals to ordinary people. Ordinary people who are not scared to know what may be in their minds. It scares people (fortunately a negligible minority) that learning about our minds may lead people to change their behavior so that their behavior may be more in line with their ideals and aspirations. The IAT scares people who say things like “look, the water fountains are desegregated, what’s your problem.”

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>11:01

[…]

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>11:01

By and large I operate on the view that I need to pay attention to REAL criticisms of the IAT. Criticisms that come from people who are experts – that is[,] people who understand the science’s assumptions about response latency measures. People who do original work using such methods. I’m sorry to say this but we are all so far along in our work that I at least only read criticisms from people who are experts. I don’t read commentaries from non-experts. There’s too much interesting stuff to do and too many amazing people doing it for me to justify worrying about a small group of aggrieved individuals who think that Black people have it easy in American society and that the IAT work might make their lives easier. The IAT as you know is not about any one group, but this small group of critics ignore everything other than race, and it may be a good idea to find out why that may be the case.”

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>11:47

Now, if you've been listening for a while, I’m sure you can see the red flags going off in my conflict-avoiding mind already – I’m not an expert; I don’t do original work in this area, and thus she wouldn’t read any commentary or criticism that I proposed, which is why I didn’t get into any of this in the conversation with her.  So I want to be clear what we’re trying to do here.  This is NOT an expose of the IAT, or of Dr. Banaji.  I’m really grateful that she took the time to talk with me, and I’m grateful to Dr. Yarrow Dunham for connecting us.  But I believe strongly enough that the interview we conducted doesn’t tell the whole story of the IAT that I’m going to try to dig more deeply on it here so we can understand whether implicit bias is really something we should pay attention to.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>12:28

So, in this episode my plan is to walk through what the research says about what implicit bias is, and how it’s measured, and why that’s important, and what implications this has for how we and our children interact with the world.  I should mention that the research base on this topic is absolutely massive, and even what has now turned into two episodes isn’t really enough to do it justice.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>12:48

So our story starts with the creation of the Implicit Association Test, or IAT, and that story is told in Dr. Banaji and Greenwald’s book Blindspot.  A substantial chunk of the book is about convincing you that you have blindspots – that you and I, just like everyone else, don’t perceive things in the way they actually happened.  So, for example, if you’re on a jury in a murder trial where the defendant is accused of drunk driving, and an eyewitness says that the defendant staggered against a table and knocked a bowl to the floor as they left the party they were both at then you might believe the eye witness, but if the eye witness says “On his way out the door the defendant staggered against a serving table, knocking a bowl of guacamole dip to the floor and splattering guacamole on the white shag carpet,” you’ll be more convinced of the defendant’s guilt.  Vivid details make information more memorable (which, incidentally, is why stories in children’s textbooks often contain little snippets of vivid detail – they make the material easier to remember, which helps the child pass the test more easily).

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>13:41

We also make judgements about individuals based on how they look, and while we might think we’re pretty good at it we’re actually not researchers have asked research participants to judge the trustworthiness of people shown in photographs, they don’t do much better than chance at discriminating between Nobel Peace Prize recipients and criminals who have appeared on the TV show America’s Most Wanted.  A lot of the time we make judgements about people based on what social group they are in, which is why Dr. Dunham’s work is relevant here – you might want to revisit episode 28 on how social groups form for a refresher on that.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>14:12

And then a chapter of Blindspot talks about how often we say things that aren’t true, even if we think we’re a pretty truthful person, such as the answers to the question “how are you?” which was a big cultural shock to me when I got to the U.S. because the person asking the question had often already walked by by the time I could even think about an answer, because they didn’t really want to know the answer to the question, which means the answer we give is pretty much irrelevant.  We might lie and say we don’t have any cash on us when a person on the street asks us for money or tell a telemarketer that we aren’t home when we were the one who answered the phone.  We may lie to the doctor when they ask how often we exercise, or how many drinks we have each day, or whether we’ve ever used illicit drugs.  We try to manage the impressions that other people have of us,]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/implicitbiasrevisited]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d5659dc3-ccc0-41b6-b280-f95940dd6e41</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b29ccdc5-4349-45b3-9620-9470e941da68/your-parenting-mojo-implicit-bias-part2-v3.mp3" length="54832402" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>131: Implicit Bias with Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</title><itunes:title>131: Implicit Bias with Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<em><span style="font-weight: 400">Explicitly, nobody really believes in gender stereotypes anymore, but when we look at the world, and who's where and how much money people make, and so on, it still seems to be there. And the answer to that is yeah, because it's there. It's just not something we say. It’s more of something we do.</span></em>

<span style="font-weight: 400">-Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</span>

&nbsp;

What is implicit bias?  Do I have it (and do you?)?  Does my (and your?) child have it?  And if we do have implicit bias, what, if anything, can we do about it?

Join me in a conversation with Dr. Mahzarin Banaji, former Dean of the Department of Psychology at Harvard University and co-creator of the Implicit Association Test, for an overview of implicit bias and how we can know if we (and our children) have it.

This episode will be followed by a second part in this mini-series where we dig deeply into the research, where results are complex and often contradictory.  Stay tuned!

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(01:00) An intro of  Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(02:58) What is implicit bias?</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(07:48) Differentiating bias that you are aware of and bias that you aren’t aware of</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(08:56) Describing the Implicit Association test</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(18:11) What the research says about where implicit bias comes from</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(24:50) Development of group preference from implicit association</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(32:18) Group bias and its implications towards individual psychological health</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(40:44) What can be done to potentially prevent implicit biases from developing?</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(46:56) Some good progress with society’s bias in general and areas that need working on</span></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Resources:</span>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Blindspot-Hidden-Biases-Good-People-ebook/dp/B004J4WJUC"><span style="font-weight: 400">Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People</span></a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<b>Jen  </b>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>00:06

We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>00:29

If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen To You and What To Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>00:42

You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we're going to look at the topic of implicit bias. Now I've been thinking for a while about running a series of episodes on the connection between our brains and our bodies because I've been learning about that and the wisdom that our bodies can hold and wondering, well how can we learn how to pay more attention to our bodies? And then I started thinking about intuition. And I wondered, well, how can we know if we can trust our intuition? What if our intuition is biased? So I started looking at the concept of implicit bias and it became immediately clear who I should ask to interview Dr. Mahzarin Banaji. Dr. Banaji studies thinking and feeling as they unfold in a social context with a focus on mental systems that operate in implicit or unconscious mode. Since 2002, she has been Richard Clarke Cabot professor of social ethics in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University, where she was also the Chair of the Department of Psychology for four years while holding two other concurrent appointments. She has been elected fellow of a whole host of extremely impressive societies and was named William James Fellow for a lifetime of significant intellectual contributions to the basic science of psychology by the Association of Psychological Science, an organization of which she also served as president. Along with her colleague, Dr. Anthony Greenwald. She's conducted decades of research on implicit bias and co-authored the book Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:21

I should also say that there are a lot of issues that we only got a chance to skim over at a fairly high level in this conversation, which I'm recording this introduction afterwards, because Dr. Banaji was quite pressed for time. And I'm planning to release an episode that follows up into these issues and dives into them at a much deeper level soon. So please consider this part one of a two-part conversation with you.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:42

Alright, let's go ahead and get started with the interview.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:45

Welcome Dr. Banaji. Thanks so much for being here.

&nbsp;

<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>02:48

Hi there.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:49

So I wonder if we can start out by understanding a bit more about what implicit bias is. I hear it all over the place, and can you help us to just define what that is, please?

&nbsp;

<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>02:58

Sure. So implicit bias, quite simply, is a tendency in every human being to favor one individual over another, one social group over another, and to do so without conscious awareness, or without the ability to be able to exert conscious control over the judgement that one is making. So let's just break the phrase down into the two words that constitute it. The word implicit and the word bias, okay? Bias, what is it? It's simply for us a deviation from neutrality, it is privileging one option over another, right? If I say I prefer blue to red, I'm biased in favor of blue, and not in favor of red relatively speaking. So that for us is what a bias is. And implicit just means that that favoring of red over blue or blue over red is something that I'm not even aware of. It's just that when I go into a store, I pick up clothing that is all blue rather than red. That put together tells us that implicit bias is a deviation from neutrality in ways we ourselves would not be happy to see ourselves doing. If it's in the domain of color, who cares whether I prefer blue to red or red to blue but imagine now that it's not blue and red. Imagine that it is a native born child in the classroom, and an immigrant child in the classroom. And even though I as a teacher believe very much that both should be treated equally that is to say, if they do something good, I should reward both equally. If they did something that's bad behavior, I should reprimand them equally, I should encourage both equally to pursue new things in their lives. I should support both of them equally to meet their goals and so on. A deviation from neutrality would mean that I'm doing these things both the good and bad things in order to teach a child something, that I'm doing them selectively, that I'm doing more for one category over another. So that's all biases. And teachers are so well intentioned, just like parents, what they want is the best for all of the kids in their class. And so when we discovered that a teacher may not be aware but is systematically calling on certain people in the classroom, or saying, "Aha!" or "Good idea!" to some rather than others, then we would say it's implicit. And as you can imagine, teachers, by and large, are very good people and so when they're biased it is almost always without their awareness.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>05:41

Okay, so is this lack of awareness perspective, that's really the key, then?

&nbsp;

<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>05:45

That's exactly right. And the reason this is interesting is because if you look in almost any society, but let's just take American society or the Western world or whatever, some large group of people, you will notice that explicit forms of bias have been coming down, at least in what people say on a survey. If you say to a teacher, "Do you think that native born children are just inherently smarter than immigrant children?" The teacher will likely say, "No, I don't believe that that is the case at all. I think all children are talented in all these different ways." So if you measure it explicitly, if you say, "Tell me is this immigrant kid better or worse than this native one kid?" You will not see any evidence of bias. But when you sit in the back of the classroom, and you just measure what the teacher is doing, who the teacher looks at who the teacher says nice things to who the teacher calls on, and you see that there is a systematic difference, then we say we must become interested in this, because the child is experiencing these good and bad things the teacher is doing, but the teacher has no awareness. And think about the child. What does the child think is going on? The child might think I'm bad, or I'm good, right? And that's why we should be interested in both kinds of measures, what people say to us directly, and also what they may not be able to say because they don't think they're that way.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>07:10

Okay, I'm wondering if we can just pull that apart]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<em><span style="font-weight: 400">Explicitly, nobody really believes in gender stereotypes anymore, but when we look at the world, and who's where and how much money people make, and so on, it still seems to be there. And the answer to that is yeah, because it's there. It's just not something we say. It’s more of something we do.</span></em>

<span style="font-weight: 400">-Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</span>

&nbsp;

What is implicit bias?  Do I have it (and do you?)?  Does my (and your?) child have it?  And if we do have implicit bias, what, if anything, can we do about it?

Join me in a conversation with Dr. Mahzarin Banaji, former Dean of the Department of Psychology at Harvard University and co-creator of the Implicit Association Test, for an overview of implicit bias and how we can know if we (and our children) have it.

This episode will be followed by a second part in this mini-series where we dig deeply into the research, where results are complex and often contradictory.  Stay tuned!

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(01:00) An intro of  Dr. Mahzarin Banaji</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(02:58) What is implicit bias?</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(07:48) Differentiating bias that you are aware of and bias that you aren’t aware of</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(08:56) Describing the Implicit Association test</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(18:11) What the research says about where implicit bias comes from</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(24:50) Development of group preference from implicit association</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(32:18) Group bias and its implications towards individual psychological health</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(40:44) What can be done to potentially prevent implicit biases from developing?</span></li>
 	<li><span style="font-weight: 400">(46:56) Some good progress with society’s bias in general and areas that need working on</span></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span style="font-weight: 400">Resources:</span>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Blindspot-Hidden-Biases-Good-People-ebook/dp/B004J4WJUC"><span style="font-weight: 400">Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People</span></a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<b>Jen  </b>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>00:06

We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>00:29

If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen To You and What To Do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>00:42

You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>01:00

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we're going to look at the topic of implicit bias. Now I've been thinking for a while about running a series of episodes on the connection between our brains and our bodies because I've been learning about that and the wisdom that our bodies can hold and wondering, well how can we learn how to pay more attention to our bodies? And then I started thinking about intuition. And I wondered, well, how can we know if we can trust our intuition? What if our intuition is biased? So I started looking at the concept of implicit bias and it became immediately clear who I should ask to interview Dr. Mahzarin Banaji. Dr. Banaji studies thinking and feeling as they unfold in a social context with a focus on mental systems that operate in implicit or unconscious mode. Since 2002, she has been Richard Clarke Cabot professor of social ethics in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University, where she was also the Chair of the Department of Psychology for four years while holding two other concurrent appointments. She has been elected fellow of a whole host of extremely impressive societies and was named William James Fellow for a lifetime of significant intellectual contributions to the basic science of psychology by the Association of Psychological Science, an organization of which she also served as president. Along with her colleague, Dr. Anthony Greenwald. She's conducted decades of research on implicit bias and co-authored the book Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:21

I should also say that there are a lot of issues that we only got a chance to skim over at a fairly high level in this conversation, which I'm recording this introduction afterwards, because Dr. Banaji was quite pressed for time. And I'm planning to release an episode that follows up into these issues and dives into them at a much deeper level soon. So please consider this part one of a two-part conversation with you.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:42

Alright, let's go ahead and get started with the interview.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:45

Welcome Dr. Banaji. Thanks so much for being here.

&nbsp;

<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>02:48

Hi there.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>02:49

So I wonder if we can start out by understanding a bit more about what implicit bias is. I hear it all over the place, and can you help us to just define what that is, please?

&nbsp;

<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>02:58

Sure. So implicit bias, quite simply, is a tendency in every human being to favor one individual over another, one social group over another, and to do so without conscious awareness, or without the ability to be able to exert conscious control over the judgement that one is making. So let's just break the phrase down into the two words that constitute it. The word implicit and the word bias, okay? Bias, what is it? It's simply for us a deviation from neutrality, it is privileging one option over another, right? If I say I prefer blue to red, I'm biased in favor of blue, and not in favor of red relatively speaking. So that for us is what a bias is. And implicit just means that that favoring of red over blue or blue over red is something that I'm not even aware of. It's just that when I go into a store, I pick up clothing that is all blue rather than red. That put together tells us that implicit bias is a deviation from neutrality in ways we ourselves would not be happy to see ourselves doing. If it's in the domain of color, who cares whether I prefer blue to red or red to blue but imagine now that it's not blue and red. Imagine that it is a native born child in the classroom, and an immigrant child in the classroom. And even though I as a teacher believe very much that both should be treated equally that is to say, if they do something good, I should reward both equally. If they did something that's bad behavior, I should reprimand them equally, I should encourage both equally to pursue new things in their lives. I should support both of them equally to meet their goals and so on. A deviation from neutrality would mean that I'm doing these things both the good and bad things in order to teach a child something, that I'm doing them selectively, that I'm doing more for one category over another. So that's all biases. And teachers are so well intentioned, just like parents, what they want is the best for all of the kids in their class. And so when we discovered that a teacher may not be aware but is systematically calling on certain people in the classroom, or saying, "Aha!" or "Good idea!" to some rather than others, then we would say it's implicit. And as you can imagine, teachers, by and large, are very good people and so when they're biased it is almost always without their awareness.

&nbsp;

<b>Jen  </b>05:41

Okay, so is this lack of awareness perspective, that's really the key, then?

&nbsp;

<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>05:45

That's exactly right. And the reason this is interesting is because if you look in almost any society, but let's just take American society or the Western world or whatever, some large group of people, you will notice that explicit forms of bias have been coming down, at least in what people say on a survey. If you say to a teacher, "Do you think that native born children are just inherently smarter than immigrant children?" The teacher will likely say, "No, I don't believe that that is the case at all. I think all children are talented in all these different ways." So if you measure it explicitly, if you say, "Tell me is this immigrant kid better or worse than this native one kid?" You will not see any evidence of bias. But when you sit in the back of the classroom, and you just measure what the teacher is doing, who the teacher looks at who the teacher says nice things to who the teacher calls on, and you see that there is a systematic difference, then we say we must become interested in this, because the child is experiencing these good and bad things the teacher is doing, but the teacher has no awareness. And think about the child. What does the child think is going on? The child might think I'm bad, or I'm good, right? And that's why we should be interested in both kinds of measures, what people say to us directly, and also what they may not be able to say because they don't think they're that way.

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<b>Jen  </b>07:10

Okay, I'm wondering if we can just pull that apart a little bit. And we're sort of using teachers as an example. But this could just as well apply to managers or anyone in any situation. I can understand if a researcher were to come and say, "Do you think that native born children have different capabilities than immigrant children?" Then, I understand the correct thing for me to say in that moment is "No, of course not." But I may still be thinking that and I may have awareness that I'm thinking that. So I'm trying to understand the difference between an explicit bias that I know it's not a socially correct thing to say, and implicit bias that I might not be aware of, how can I parse that difference?

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<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>07:48

Yeah, it's a great question. For now, I would say, an explicit bias is something that you know, even if you don't say it to other people, but you know. So let's say that I believe that boys are better at math than girls are. But I'm not going to say that because I don't want my girl students to hear that or feel bad about that. And so I'm not going to say it, but I think it and I'm able to consciously put those words together in my mind, boys are better at math than girls, I know that. As long as that is the case, we would say it's consciously accessible to you. Your mind is capable of saying A is better than B or whatever and to do that to yourself, at least. What makes it implicit is when you say boys and girls are equally good at math, I believe it. You never say to yourself; boys are better at math than girls. But if we look at some other aspects of your behavior, who you spend more time teaching a difficult math problem to, etc., then we would say it is.

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<b>Jen  </b>08:56

Okay, perfect. Thank you for helping us to understand that distinction. And so then I wonder if we can go from there into the Implicit Association test, which is something you've spent a bit of time working on over the years. Can you tell us what that is? And how does that measure implicit bias?

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<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>09:11

Yeah. So as you can imagine, your listeners and you will easily see what the problem is. A person, if asked genuinely and truly says, "I have no bias." And when you measure their judgments and actions in some way, you're seeing a systematic effect. How do you measure that? When the person themselves is saying no? In psychology, we've relied for over 100 years on what we call explicit measures. If you want to know something about what a person is thinking, ask them. How stressed are you feeling? Okay. Well, sometimes maybe I can tell you that I'm feeling stressed. But there are lots of studies where people like me say that they're not stressed at all and you'll see me breaking out into hives or something, which is a response to the stress. Now you have to have a measure of those hives, you have to be able to measure skin complexion, you know, when one is stressed and not stressed and say whether the person knows it or not, there is some physical response that we can measure. What can we do when the response we are looking for is locked up between our ears in a box that is not easy to penetrate? So the first thing to do is to just imagine the difficulty of trying to even track anything implicit and the measure that you mentioned, the one that we are most familiar with, and the one that I believe today is the dominant measure of implicit cognition in the science as a whole is the Implicit Association test, and I'm one of three co developers of that test. The test has a very simple assumption that underlies it. The assumption is that when two things in our experience have come to go together repeatedly, they're joined in time and in space, let's say, that they become one for us. If when I see bread, there is usually a bowl of butter, bread and butter come to be associated when I think bread, butter comes to mind more quickly than some random word like water, or couch or something like that. So that's very easy to understand and neuroscientists, actually, in order to teach people how neurons in our brain fire after having learned something, they teach it to us by the phrase, if it fires together, it wires together. And we use that when we teach how learning occurs. By firing together, it means in the same moment, if neurons for bread and butter becoming activated, your brain learns that there's something about these that go together, and that's how we learn everything. We learn, you know, that mother and father are a unit, like bread and butter, but we also know certain experiences we have in the presence of something. When I see flowers, I feel happy, and flowers becomes associated flowers almost become synonymous with good, even though the words that we might use to capture goodness have nothing to do with flowers. So you know, not just words like beautiful or peace or joy, but if we use words like you know, angel, or satisfied, or whatever that have no semantic relationship to flowers, those words should become more easily accessible in the presence of flowers because our experience has made them repeatedly be associated. Unlike insects, when we think of an insect, we think yucky, I mean, unless you're a five-year-old boy, yes, I will put them aside for a moment. And say that, yes, that may happen. But even young boys, when they take our test, if it's flower or insect, they have learned that in our culture, flowers are good, and insects are bad. So all we've done is made a test that measures the strength of association between insects, and bad and good flowers and bad and good. Okay, that's what the test is. And now we can begin to go beyond the test by keeping the test logic identical. If I have you look at flowers on a computer screen and press a key - left key when you see flowers on the right key when you see insects - very easy for you to do that. Now I'm going to say okay, not just flowers and insects, but words are going to pop up on the screen words like love and peace and joy, good words, or bad words like devil and bomb and war and things like that. And your job is to use the same key to say flower or good words, and the same key, now a different but the same key when you identify an insect, as having appeared on the screen, or a bad word is having appeared on the screen. Now, if flower and good have truly become one in our minds, this should be a very easy task. Left key for flowers left key for good. Right key for insect right key for bad, right? That's easy. But now let's switch. This is the moment in the test when people groan because I'm saying to them left key for flower and left key for bad things, right key for insect and right key for good things. And they can't do it. By can't do it I mean, they can, but it takes them a whole lot longer to do this and they make many more mistakes when they do this. I show this bias, you show this bias. You know, even entomologists who study insects and love them, show it but to a lesser extent than we do. So they acquired the cultural thumbprint that says insects are not as good as flowers, but because they love insects and they work with them. They show a lower anti insect bias.

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<b>Jen  </b>14:51

Fascinating.

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<b>Dr. Mahzarin Banaji  </b>14:52

Okay, so now, the logic of the test should be very clear to people, and they will mostly agree in fact, everybody will agree that this is a decent measure of whether we like flowers or insects. And when the data come back and tell you, you have a strong preference for flowers over insects, people nod their head and say, "Yes, I do." There's no quarrel with the test. The quarrel with the test emerges when we replace insect and flower with Black and White faces, Asian and White faces, fat and thin people, people who are Native Americans and European Americans. And sometimes when we even change the good and bad words, to be things like bad and good things like weapons and musical instruments or something like that. Is it easier for me to associate, you know, certain groups with bad things and certain groups with good things? And the startling result is that for people who have, and I would say, genuinely have no explicit bias, now, I can't say what your explicit bias is, because you may think that you think that you know, male is better than female, but you may not be willing to tell me, but I'll take myself, I know that explicitly, I do not believe that Black is bad, and White is good. I know that for sure because it's me, and I can tell myself the truth about what I consciously think. And yet for people like me, who seem to have no explicit bias, this test throws us a curveball, because it demonstrates that people like me are not able to associate good with Black as easily as we can associated with White. And when that happens, it's troubling to us. It's troubling because it doesn't feel like the test is telling us anything true about ourselves. I don't blame people who say what a stupid test is just telling me, you know, it's just all complete lies. I felt the same way when I first took the test. I thought, "What's wrong with this test?" Obviously, I'm the great Mahzarin I'm not biased, so if the test is telling me I am, something's wrong with the test. And you know, a few minutes later, I came to my senses and I realized it's not the test that's the problem. It's my head that's the problem. I have accumulated all this learning two things have gone together, it fired together, it wired together.

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Okay. All right. Well, thank you for that. And I think there's a lot of different pieces to come up from that, that we're going to get to in due time as we go through the conversation, but I'm wondering if maybe we can start with “Where does this come from?” Because in preparation for this interview, you sent me an epic paper that you had written with one of your grad students, and the reference list alone was enough to make me weep when I saw it,]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/implicitbias]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b19b47d4-d46a-432b-8326-5521ada56f2d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c4690101-c509-4b9b-ba8f-1c4425505e51/your-parenting-mojo-implicit-bias-final.mp3" length="62723573" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>130: Introduction to mindfulness and meditation with Diana Winston</title><itunes:title>130: Introduction to mindfulness and meditation with Diana Winston</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<em>"When she was younger, she wasn't that into reading and that was like a huge deal for me.  I thought: "I'm such a reader. My daughter doesn't love to read." She's still not a big reader, but it's not hampering her in any way. She's blossoming in fifty other ways, but when I get caught in that story, "She's not like me. She's not..." - that's when I'm suffering. So I settle back into trusting, and think: "Oh, she's becoming who she is. Let her be that."</em>

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03:39 Defining Mindfulness

05:25 Distinguishing between mindfulness and meditation

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08:05 Self-hatred as a Western concept

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D’Andrea, W., Ford, J., Stolbach, B., Spinazzola, J., &amp; van der Kolk, B. (2012). Understanding inter-personal trauma in children: Why we need a developmentally appropriate trauma diagnosis. American Journal of Orthopsyhchiatry 82(2), 187-200.

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Goessl, V.C., Curtiss, J.E., &amp; Hofman, S.G. (2017). The effect of heart rate variability biofeedback training on stress and anxiety: A meta-analysis. Psychological Medicine 47, 2578-2586.

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Miller, A. (2006). The body never lies: The lingering effects of hurtful parenting. New York: Norton.

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Tippet, K. (2019, December 26). Bessel van der Kolk: How trauma lodges in the body. On Being. Retrieved from:https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-lodges-in-the-body/van der Kolk, B. (2017). Developmental trauma disorder: Toward a rational diagnosis for children with complex trauma histories.

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Psychiatric Annals 35(5), 401-408.van der Kolk, B. (2016). The devastating effects of ignoring child maltreatment in psychiatry: Commentary on “The enduring neurobiological effects of abuse and neglect.”

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Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 57(3), 267-270.van der Kolk, B.A., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial.

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Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.van der Kolk, B. (2014). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. New York: Penguin.van der Kolk, B., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial.

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Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.van der Kolk, B. (2006). Clinical implications of neuroscience research in PTSD.Annals – New York Academy of Sciences 1071(1), 277.van der Kolk, B., &amp; van der Hart, O. (1989). Pierre Janet &amp; the breakdown of adaptation in psychological trauma. American Journal of Psychiatry 146(12), 1530-1540.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<em>"When she was younger, she wasn't that into reading and that was like a huge deal for me.  I thought: "I'm such a reader. My daughter doesn't love to read." She's still not a big reader, but it's not hampering her in any way. She's blossoming in fifty other ways, but when I get caught in that story, "She's not like me. She's not..." - that's when I'm suffering. So I settle back into trusting, and think: "Oh, she's becoming who she is. Let her be that."</em>

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&nbsp;

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&nbsp;

We walk through a basic meditation that you can do anywhere, and no - it doesn't involve sitting cross-legged with your thumb and first finger held in a circle and saying 'ommmmmm....'.

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03:39 Defining Mindfulness

05:25 Distinguishing between mindfulness and meditation

06:26 How can mindfulness benefit me?

08:05 Self-hatred as a Western concept

12:27 The practice of mindfulness rooted in religion and cultural appropriation

13:57 The research on mindfulness

17:27 Why is it so hard to study mindfulness?

19:33 Mindfulness vs science as tools of observation

21:26 The benefits of mindfulness to parents and children

28:04 Improving parent-child relationships through mindfulness

30:27 Working in mindfulness practices in the context of communities

35:52 Practice mindfulness now with this quick walkthrough

42:46 Sit Still and It Will Hurt Eventually

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/triggersmasterclass/">Taming Your Triggers Masterclass</a>

&nbsp;

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<ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Little-Book-Being-Practices-Uncovering/dp/1683642171" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Little Book of Being: Practices and Guidance for Uncovering Your Natural Awareness</a></li><li><a href="https://wakingup.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Waking Up App by Sam Harris</a></li><li><a href="https://www.uclahealth.org/marc/ucla-mindful-app" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">UCLA Mindful App</a></li><li><a href="https://www.tenpercent.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ten Percent Happier App</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wide-Awake-Buddhist-Guide-Teens/dp/0399528970" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wide Awake: A Buddhist Guide for Teens</a></li></ul><br/>
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D’Andrea, W., Ford, J., Stolbach, B., Spinazzola, J., &amp; van der Kolk, B. (2012). Understanding inter-personal trauma in children: Why we need a developmentally appropriate trauma diagnosis. American Journal of Orthopsyhchiatry 82(2), 187-200.

<hr />

Goessl, V.C., Curtiss, J.E., &amp; Hofman, S.G. (2017). The effect of heart rate variability biofeedback training on stress and anxiety: A meta-analysis. Psychological Medicine 47, 2578-2586.

<hr />

Miller, A. (2006). The body never lies: The lingering effects of hurtful parenting. New York: Norton.

<hr />

Tippet, K. (2019, December 26). Bessel van der Kolk: How trauma lodges in the body. On Being. Retrieved from:https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-lodges-in-the-body/van der Kolk, B. (2017). Developmental trauma disorder: Toward a rational diagnosis for children with complex trauma histories.

<hr />

Psychiatric Annals 35(5), 401-408.van der Kolk, B. (2016). The devastating effects of ignoring child maltreatment in psychiatry: Commentary on “The enduring neurobiological effects of abuse and neglect.”

<hr />

Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 57(3), 267-270.van der Kolk, B.A., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial.

<hr />

Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.van der Kolk, B. (2014). The body keeps the score: Brain, mind, and body in the healing of trauma. New York: Penguin.van der Kolk, B., Stone, L., West, J., Rhodes, A., Emerson, D., Suvak, M., &amp; Spinazzola, J. (2014). Yoga as an adjunctive treatment for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: A randomized controlled trial.

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Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 75(6), e559-e565.van der Kolk, B. (2006). Clinical implications of neuroscience research in PTSD.Annals – New York Academy of Sciences 1071(1), 277.van der Kolk, B., &amp; van der Hart, O. (1989). Pierre Janet &amp; the breakdown of adaptation in psychological trauma. American Journal of Psychiatry 146(12), 1530-1540.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/mindfulness]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4fc0c1d8-ce38-4591-b810-cf37626dae59</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3bf718a8-8a03-4864-8bf8-c8a00ad172b3/130-edited.mp3" length="53163337" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>130</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>130</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/229b3c05-cd7c-45bc-aad5-ed2bc5acc964/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>129: The physical reasons you yell at your kids</title><itunes:title>129: The physical reasons you yell at your kids</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p data-block-id="block-0702cf3d-0412-4070-a89c-e9478846b1ff">Why do we yell at our children - even when we know we shouldn't?</p>
<p data-block-id="block-0702cf3d-0412-4070-a89c-e9478846b1ff">Why isn't just knowing what to do enough to actually interact with our children in a way that aligns with our values?</p>
<p data-block-id="block-60c802f3-e53a-4b46-8312-2f1a12720175">For many of us, the reason we struggle to actually implement the ideas we know we want to use is because we've experienced trauma in our lives. This may be the overt kind that we can objectively say was traumatic (divorce, abuse, death among close family members...), or it may simply be the additive effect of having our needs disregarded over and over again by the people who were supposed to protect us.</p>
<p data-block-id="block-c8448259-412d-4604-8768-d2127a24b1e2">These experiences cause us to feel 'triggered' by our children's behavior - because their mess and lack of manners and resistance remind us subconsciously of the ways that we were punished as children for doing very similar things. These feelings don't just show up in our brains, they also have deep connections to our bodies (in spite of the Western idea that the body and brain are essentially separate!).</p>
<p data-block-id="block-bb9c9d73-e5f3-411b-909c-639487392d62">If we don't decide to take a different path and learn new tools to enable us to respond effectively to our child rather than reacting in the heat of the moment, and because our physical experience is so central to how this trauma shows up in our daily lives, we also need to understand and process this trauma through our bodies.</p>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 This episode’s rationale</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:12 The two ways trauma shows up in broader family relationships</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:27 The separateness of the brain and the body has a long history in Western culture</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:05 Rene Descartes on the schism of mind and body</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">07:12 The held belief of the mind as superior to the rest of the body</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:09 The inherent bias of data</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:42 The lies our brain tells us</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">12:54 The so-called 4 ‘truths’ of the physical experience of trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:22 When we are not attuned to the signals that our body is giving us</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">19:01 Difficulty in identifying feelings for people who experienced trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">22:16 Saying OK when you aren’t really OK</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:19 The difference between reacting and responding</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">27:10 Using physical experience to bring order to the chaos in our minds</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:15 The first step to creating a safe environment for your child</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">33:26 The root of our inability to create meaningful relationships</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">34:18 Equipping ourselves with the tools to regulate our arousal</span>

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<ul><li class="fl-post-title"><a title="113: No Self, No Problem" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/" rel="bookmark">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li class="fl-post-title"><a title="069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/intergenerationaltrauma/" rel="bookmark">069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma</a></li><li data-block-id="block-78ef0408-edc5-45df-ac76-edaf346c9a48"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/capitolsiege/">Responding to the U.S. Capitol Siege</a></li><li data-block-id="block-78ef0408-edc5-45df-ac76-edaf346c9a48"><a title="Dismantling White Supremacy and Patriarchy on MLK Day" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mlk2021/" rel="bookmark">Dismantling White Supremacy and Patriarchy on MLK Day</a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers"><span style="font-weight: 400">Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Facebook group:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589"><span style="font-weight: 400">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Boscarino, J.A., (2004). Posttraumatic stress disorder and physical illness: Results from clinical and epidemiologic studies. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 1032, 141-153.

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Fuchs, T. (2018). Ecology of the brain: The phenomenology and biology of the embodied mind. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

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Hull, A.M. (2002). Neuroimaging findings in post-traumatic stress disorder: Systematic review. British Journal of Psychiatry 181,102-110.

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Sledjeski, E.M., Speisman, B., &amp; Dierker, L.C. (2008). Does number of lifetime traumas explain the relationship between PTSD and chronic medical conditions?  Answers from the National Comorbidity Survey-Replication (NCS-R). Journal of Behavioral Medicine 31(4), 341-349.

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Wolfe, J., Schnurr, P.P., Brown, P.J., &amp; Furey, J. (1994). Posttraumatic stress disorder and war-zone exposure as correlates of perceived health in female Vietnam war veterans. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62(6), 1235-1240.

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Zoellner, L.A., Goodwin, M.L., &amp; Foa, E.B. (2005). PTSD severity and health perceptions in female victims of sexual assault. Journal of Traumatic Stress 13(4), 635-649.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p data-block-id="block-0702cf3d-0412-4070-a89c-e9478846b1ff">Why do we yell at our children - even when we know we shouldn't?</p>
<p data-block-id="block-0702cf3d-0412-4070-a89c-e9478846b1ff">Why isn't just knowing what to do enough to actually interact with our children in a way that aligns with our values?</p>
<p data-block-id="block-60c802f3-e53a-4b46-8312-2f1a12720175">For many of us, the reason we struggle to actually implement the ideas we know we want to use is because we've experienced trauma in our lives. This may be the overt kind that we can objectively say was traumatic (divorce, abuse, death among close family members...), or it may simply be the additive effect of having our needs disregarded over and over again by the people who were supposed to protect us.</p>
<p data-block-id="block-c8448259-412d-4604-8768-d2127a24b1e2">These experiences cause us to feel 'triggered' by our children's behavior - because their mess and lack of manners and resistance remind us subconsciously of the ways that we were punished as children for doing very similar things. These feelings don't just show up in our brains, they also have deep connections to our bodies (in spite of the Western idea that the body and brain are essentially separate!).</p>
<p data-block-id="block-bb9c9d73-e5f3-411b-909c-639487392d62">If we don't decide to take a different path and learn new tools to enable us to respond effectively to our child rather than reacting in the heat of the moment, and because our physical experience is so central to how this trauma shows up in our daily lives, we also need to understand and process this trauma through our bodies.</p>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">01:00 This episode’s rationale</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">03:12 The two ways trauma shows up in broader family relationships</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">05:27 The separateness of the brain and the body has a long history in Western culture</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:05 Rene Descartes on the schism of mind and body</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">07:12 The held belief of the mind as superior to the rest of the body</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:09 The inherent bias of data</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:42 The lies our brain tells us</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">12:54 The so-called 4 ‘truths’ of the physical experience of trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:22 When we are not attuned to the signals that our body is giving us</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">19:01 Difficulty in identifying feelings for people who experienced trauma</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">22:16 Saying OK when you aren’t really OK</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">26:19 The difference between reacting and responding</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">27:10 Using physical experience to bring order to the chaos in our minds</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:15 The first step to creating a safe environment for your child</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">33:26 The root of our inability to create meaningful relationships</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">34:18 Equipping ourselves with the tools to regulate our arousal</span>

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<ul><li class="fl-post-title"><a title="113: No Self, No Problem" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/" rel="bookmark">113: No Self, No Problem</a></li><li class="fl-post-title"><a title="069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/intergenerationaltrauma/" rel="bookmark">069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma</a></li><li data-block-id="block-78ef0408-edc5-45df-ac76-edaf346c9a48"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/capitolsiege/">Responding to the U.S. Capitol Siege</a></li><li data-block-id="block-78ef0408-edc5-45df-ac76-edaf346c9a48"><a title="Dismantling White Supremacy and Patriarchy on MLK Day" href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mlk2021/" rel="bookmark">Dismantling White Supremacy and Patriarchy on MLK Day</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers"><span style="font-weight: 400">Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Facebook group:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589"><span style="font-weight: 400">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Boscarino, J.A., (2004). Posttraumatic stress disorder and physical illness: Results from clinical and epidemiologic studies. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 1032, 141-153.

<hr />

Fuchs, T. (2018). Ecology of the brain: The phenomenology and biology of the embodied mind. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Hull, A.M. (2002). Neuroimaging findings in post-traumatic stress disorder: Systematic review. British Journal of Psychiatry 181,102-110.

<hr />

Sledjeski, E.M., Speisman, B., &amp; Dierker, L.C. (2008). Does number of lifetime traumas explain the relationship between PTSD and chronic medical conditions?  Answers from the National Comorbidity Survey-Replication (NCS-R). Journal of Behavioral Medicine 31(4), 341-349.

<hr />

Wolfe, J., Schnurr, P.P., Brown, P.J., &amp; Furey, J. (1994). Posttraumatic stress disorder and war-zone exposure as correlates of perceived health in female Vietnam war veterans. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62(6), 1235-1240.

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Iris admits to being a parent who engaged in "yelling, spanking, and threatening with unreasonable consequences" - but far from becoming a well-behaved, obedient child, her son fought back.  The harder she punished, the more he resisted. Their home became a battleground of endless power struggles, uncontrollable tantrums, and constant frustration.

&nbsp;

But Iris didn't know what else to do: she had learned this over-controlling style from her own parents: watching TV without permission, talking back to her father, and having a boyfriend before college were simply out of the question when she was growing up.

&nbsp;

In her parents' eyes, they had done all the right things: Iris got good grades, graduated from an elite university, and married another successful Chinese-American.

&nbsp;

But through interacting with her son, Iris realized that all of these achievements had come at a great cost: a cost that her son was trying to show her through his resistance.  Eventually Iris saw that her son's behavior wasn't the problem; he was simply reacting to her attempts to control him, and that it was her own approach that needed to change.

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Now Iris is well along her own Untigering path: basing her relationship with her children on finding win-win solutions to problems, being flexible, and respecting each other's boundaries.

&nbsp;

As I do too, Iris sees this path as a journey toward creating a society where everyone belongs.

&nbsp;

If you see yourself in Iris' descriptions of her early days as a parent, and especially if you find yourself routinely overreacting to your child's age-appropriate behavior, I invite you to join my Taming Your Triggers, which will help you to understand the true source of your triggered feelings (hint: it isn't your child's behavior!), feel triggered less often, and respond more effectively to your child on the fewer occasions when it does still happen.

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<span style="font-weight: 400">01:34 Children’s dilemma between being seen/heard and being accepted</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:50 The trauma we pass on to our children</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">04:04 How to tame your triggers</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">04:59 Confidence in parenting that gives parents a sense of calm</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:39 Iris as a Deconstructing Tiger Parent</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:13 “I thought my responsibility as a parent was to push harder when my child resisted”</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:26 “I saw in my children a freedom to express their resentment in ways that I was never free to”</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:05 The walls that are created between parent and child because children’s authentic selves are not accepted</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:24 Our parents have their own traumas as well</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:18 The Idea of Untigering</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">14:19 Permissive parenting</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:06 Viewing children as full human beings</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">18:43 Adultism and Childism</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:05 Is respect something a child needs to earn from their parents?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">21:26 Redefining our ideas for success as parents</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">27:29 Navigating the needs that drive behavior</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:30 Chinese somatization</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">33:57 The internalization of injustice and suffering</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:50 Holding space for one another and the greater community</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">41:19 The cascading effect of changing the way we relate to our children</span>

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<strong>Books and Resources:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Untigering-Peaceful-Parenting-Deconstructing-Parent-ebook/dp/B08QG3C9F3"><span style="font-weight: 400">Untigering: Peaceful Parenting for the Deconstructing Tiger Parent</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.upbringing.co/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Upbringing Podcast</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="http://untigering.com"><span style="font-weight: 400">Untigering Website</span></a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Join the YPM Facebook Community</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589"><span style="font-weight: 400">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<b>Reference</b>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Mauner, R.G., Hunter, J.J., Atkinson, L., Steiner, M., Wazana, A., Fleming, A.S., Moss, E., Gaudreau, H., Meaney, M.J., &amp; Levitan, R.D. (2017). An attachment-based model of the relationship between childhood adversity and somatization in children and adults. Psychosomatic Medicine79(5), 506-513.</span>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode we talk with Iris Chen about her new book, Untigering: Peaceful Parenting for the Deconstructing Tiger Parent.

&nbsp;

Iris admits to being a parent who engaged in "yelling, spanking, and threatening with unreasonable consequences" - but far from becoming a well-behaved, obedient child, her son fought back.  The harder she punished, the more he resisted. Their home became a battleground of endless power struggles, uncontrollable tantrums, and constant frustration.

&nbsp;

But Iris didn't know what else to do: she had learned this over-controlling style from her own parents: watching TV without permission, talking back to her father, and having a boyfriend before college were simply out of the question when she was growing up.

&nbsp;

In her parents' eyes, they had done all the right things: Iris got good grades, graduated from an elite university, and married another successful Chinese-American.

&nbsp;

But through interacting with her son, Iris realized that all of these achievements had come at a great cost: a cost that her son was trying to show her through his resistance.  Eventually Iris saw that her son's behavior wasn't the problem; he was simply reacting to her attempts to control him, and that it was her own approach that needed to change.

&nbsp;

Now Iris is well along her own Untigering path: basing her relationship with her children on finding win-win solutions to problems, being flexible, and respecting each other's boundaries.

&nbsp;

As I do too, Iris sees this path as a journey toward creating a society where everyone belongs.

&nbsp;

If you see yourself in Iris' descriptions of her early days as a parent, and especially if you find yourself routinely overreacting to your child's age-appropriate behavior, I invite you to join my Taming Your Triggers, which will help you to understand the true source of your triggered feelings (hint: it isn't your child's behavior!), feel triggered less often, and respond more effectively to your child on the fewer occasions when it does still happen.

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<span style="font-weight: 400">01:34 Children’s dilemma between being seen/heard and being accepted</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">02:50 The trauma we pass on to our children</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">04:04 How to tame your triggers</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">04:59 Confidence in parenting that gives parents a sense of calm</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">06:39 Iris as a Deconstructing Tiger Parent</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">08:13 “I thought my responsibility as a parent was to push harder when my child resisted”</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">09:26 “I saw in my children a freedom to express their resentment in ways that I was never free to”</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:05 The walls that are created between parent and child because children’s authentic selves are not accepted</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">11:24 Our parents have their own traumas as well</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">13:18 The Idea of Untigering</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">14:19 Permissive parenting</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">16:06 Viewing children as full human beings</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">18:43 Adultism and Childism</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">20:05 Is respect something a child needs to earn from their parents?</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">21:26 Redefining our ideas for success as parents</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">27:29 Navigating the needs that drive behavior</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">31:30 Chinese somatization</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">33:57 The internalization of injustice and suffering</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">36:50 Holding space for one another and the greater community</span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">41:19 The cascading effect of changing the way we relate to our children</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>Books and Resources:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Untigering-Peaceful-Parenting-Deconstructing-Parent-ebook/dp/B08QG3C9F3"><span style="font-weight: 400">Untigering: Peaceful Parenting for the Deconstructing Tiger Parent</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748"><span style="font-weight: 400">The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma</span></a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Taming Your Triggers Workshop</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://www.upbringing.co/"><span style="font-weight: 400">Upbringing Podcast</span></a></li><li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="http://untigering.com"><span style="font-weight: 400">Untigering Website</span></a></li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Join the YPM Facebook Community</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589"><span style="font-weight: 400">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</span></a></li></ul><br/>
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 	<li>(01:00) Malcolm Gladwell's anecdote about the Junior League Medicine Hat Tigers and Vancouver Giants ice hockey teams that initiated the redshirting craze</li>
 	<li>(02:56) Ability grouping is done in early childhood, just like in sports</li>
 	<li>(03:59) Parents holding their children back from kindergarten came to be referred to as redshirting</li>
 	<li>(10:20) How common is redshirting?</li>
 	<li>(11:04) Boys are redshirted at a ratio of 2:1 compared to girls</li>
 	<li>(12:18) The maturationist approach of why to redshirt</li>
 	<li>(13:05) State support and agenda for redshirting</li>
 	<li>(15:10) Teachers tendency to view a maturationist view of development.</li>
 	<li>(17:16) The Maturation Hypothesis</li>
 	<li>(17:36) Parents redshirt their children to give their child an advantage</li>
 	<li>(20:34) Redshirting as a way to give boys age and size advantage and avoid getting bullied</li>
 	<li>(27:28) Making a judgement call into what benefits mean with regards to the body of research on redshirting</li>
 	<li>(29:24) The evidence of whether redshirting is beneficial</li>
 	<li>(35:19) Misdiagnosis of ADHD caused by relative maturity</li>
 	<li>(37:56) A year outside of school reduces the likelihood that children receive timely identifications of learning difficulties</li>
 	<li>(38:35) Students with speech impairments may actually benefit from redshirting</li>
 	<li>(39:22) Redshirted students may have more behavioral problems in high school</li>
 	<li>(46:04) Children from higher socioeconomic status are more likely to perform well in tests in kindergarten</li>
 	<li>(48:19) It’s possible that the way the teacher sees the child is what helps the child because of Labelling Theory</li>
 	<li>(49:46) Opportunity hoarding associated with middle-class, White parents.</li>
 	<li>(52:01) Is kindergarten truly the new first grade?</li>
 	<li>(56:06) Advocating for Developmentally Appropriate Practice or DAP</li>
 	<li>(57:35) Almost everyone agrees that retention has negative impacts on children</li>
 	<li>(58:55) Accumulative Advantage</li>
 	<li>(01:00:07) Malcolm Gladwell’s proposed solution to homogenize and my thoughts on it</li>
 	<li>(01:02:32) Summary</li>
 	<li>(01:04:56) Why I think asking "should I redshirt my child" is the wrong question</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Books and Resources:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017930">Outliers: The Story of Success, by Malcolm Gladwell</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe/">13 Reasons Why Your Child Won’t Listen to You and What to do About Each One</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/School-Can-Wait-Raymond-Moore/dp/0842513140">School Can Wait, by Raymond S. Moore and Dorothy N. Moore</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolprivilege/"><span style="font-weight: 400">085: White privilege in schools</span></a></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sports/"><span style="font-weight: 400">086: Playing to Win: How does playing sports impact children?</span></a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolsocialization/">117: Socialization and Pandemic Pods</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Join our the YPM Facebook Community:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:29

If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen to You and What to do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners and the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:48

I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>01:00

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have an odd person to thank for what has turned into a bit of an epic episode, and that’s Malcolm Gladwell.  His 2011 book Outliers: The story of success opens with an anecdote about the junior league Medicine Hat Tigers and Vancouver Giants ice hockey teams.  The point of the book is to demonstrate that personal explanations of success that draw on a narrative of self-made brilliance have a lot more to them – that successful people are the beneficiaries of hidden advantages and opportunities that help to give them a leg up in a way that isn’t open to most of us.  In the example of the ice hockey teams in the book (which we’re calling ice hockey for my English listeners, to distinguish it from actual hockey, which is played on a grass field), Paula Barnsley, who is the wife of psychologist Dr. Roger Barnsley, noticed during a game that the majority of the players on teams just like the Medicine Hat Tigers and Vancouver Giants had birthdays that clustered in a certain way.  Roger Barnsley went home and researched all the junior league players he could, and then the national league, and found that in any elite group of ice hockey players, 40% of the plyers will have been born between January and March, 30% between April and June, and 20% between October and December (Gladwell doesn’t say what happened to the 10% born between July and September).  Barnsley said that “In all my years in psychology I have never run into an effect this large.  You don’t even need to do any statistical analysis.  You just look at it.”

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:28

The reason for this is that the eligibility cutoff for age class hockey is January 1, which means that children born at on January 2nd are a whole year older than children born on December 31st, which is a large proportion of a young child’s life.  The same effect replicates in baseball and football (which I refuse to call “soccer”), because these also have similar age cutoffs in youth sports.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:56

Then there’s a half page of text that really caught parents’ ears – reference to a study by two economists who looked at the relationship between scores on a standardized test, and the child’s age at the time of taking the test, and the effect was found here as well.  One of the authors of that paper, Dr. Elizabeth Dhuey, was quoted as saying “Just like in sports, we do ability grouping early on in childhood…so, early on, if we look at young kids, in kindergarten and first grade, the teachers are confusing maturity with ability.  And they put the older kids in the advanced stream, where they learn better skills; and the next year, because they are in the higher groups, they do even better; and the next year, the same things happen, and they do even better again.”  Dr. Dhuey subsequently looked at college students and found that students belonging to the relatively youngest group in their class are underrepresented by about 11.6%.  Gladwell concludes: “That initial difference in maturity doesn’t go away with time. It persists. And for thousands of students, that initial disadvantage is the difference between going to college – and having a real shot at the middle class – and not.”

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:59

Now those words are almost guaranteed to strike fear into the heart of parents, even though the real problem here is the perception that college is the only path to “having a real shot at the middle class,” who responded by holding their children back from kindergarten when their birthdays were within the last few months of the kindergarten eligibility cutoff.  In the U.S., this practice came to be known as redshirting, which is a term borrowed from sports.  In college athletics, which is big business in the U.S., athletes are only allowed to play for four years but they might ‘redshirt’ the first year which means they wouldn’t formally participate in competition while they get bigger and stronger.  Then they can still play four years after that.  But they’re not just sitting out in that year; they’re practicing with the team and getting bigger and stronger, and they wear a red shirt in practice to indicate that they’re in redshirt status.  From what I’ve read on Wikipedia a coach can tell you at the beginning of the year that you’re redshirting but it isn’t confirmed until the end of the season, so if the star quarterback gets injured then the redshirted player can give up their redshirt status and still play.  So that aspect doesn’t come into play in the academic setting, but the practice of holding a child out...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Parents - worried about their child's lack of maturity or ability to 'fit in' in a classroom environment - often ask me whether they should hold their child back a year before entering kindergarten or first grade.  In this episode I review the origins of the redshirting phenomenon (which lie in Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers, and which statisticians say contained some seriously dodgy math), what it means for your individual child, as well as for the rest of the children in the class so you can make an informed decision.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li>(01:00) Malcolm Gladwell's anecdote about the Junior League Medicine Hat Tigers and Vancouver Giants ice hockey teams that initiated the redshirting craze</li>
 	<li>(02:56) Ability grouping is done in early childhood, just like in sports</li>
 	<li>(03:59) Parents holding their children back from kindergarten came to be referred to as redshirting</li>
 	<li>(10:20) How common is redshirting?</li>
 	<li>(11:04) Boys are redshirted at a ratio of 2:1 compared to girls</li>
 	<li>(12:18) The maturationist approach of why to redshirt</li>
 	<li>(13:05) State support and agenda for redshirting</li>
 	<li>(15:10) Teachers tendency to view a maturationist view of development.</li>
 	<li>(17:16) The Maturation Hypothesis</li>
 	<li>(17:36) Parents redshirt their children to give their child an advantage</li>
 	<li>(20:34) Redshirting as a way to give boys age and size advantage and avoid getting bullied</li>
 	<li>(27:28) Making a judgement call into what benefits mean with regards to the body of research on redshirting</li>
 	<li>(29:24) The evidence of whether redshirting is beneficial</li>
 	<li>(35:19) Misdiagnosis of ADHD caused by relative maturity</li>
 	<li>(37:56) A year outside of school reduces the likelihood that children receive timely identifications of learning difficulties</li>
 	<li>(38:35) Students with speech impairments may actually benefit from redshirting</li>
 	<li>(39:22) Redshirted students may have more behavioral problems in high school</li>
 	<li>(46:04) Children from higher socioeconomic status are more likely to perform well in tests in kindergarten</li>
 	<li>(48:19) It’s possible that the way the teacher sees the child is what helps the child because of Labelling Theory</li>
 	<li>(49:46) Opportunity hoarding associated with middle-class, White parents.</li>
 	<li>(52:01) Is kindergarten truly the new first grade?</li>
 	<li>(56:06) Advocating for Developmentally Appropriate Practice or DAP</li>
 	<li>(57:35) Almost everyone agrees that retention has negative impacts on children</li>
 	<li>(58:55) Accumulative Advantage</li>
 	<li>(01:00:07) Malcolm Gladwell’s proposed solution to homogenize and my thoughts on it</li>
 	<li>(01:02:32) Summary</li>
 	<li>(01:04:56) Why I think asking "should I redshirt my child" is the wrong question</li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Books and Resources:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017930">Outliers: The Story of Success, by Malcolm Gladwell</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe/">13 Reasons Why Your Child Won’t Listen to You and What to do About Each One</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/School-Can-Wait-Raymond-Moore/dp/0842513140">School Can Wait, by Raymond S. Moore and Dorothy N. Moore</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Links:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolprivilege/"><span style="font-weight: 400">085: White privilege in schools</span></a></li>
 	<li style="font-weight: 400"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/sports/"><span style="font-weight: 400">086: Playing to Win: How does playing sports impact children?</span></a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/schoolsocialization/">117: Socialization and Pandemic Pods</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Join our the YPM Facebook Community:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:29

If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE guide called 13 Reasons Why Your Child Won't Listen to You and What to do About Each One, just head over to YourParentingMojo.com/SUBSCRIBE. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners and the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:48

I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>01:00

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have an odd person to thank for what has turned into a bit of an epic episode, and that’s Malcolm Gladwell.  His 2011 book Outliers: The story of success opens with an anecdote about the junior league Medicine Hat Tigers and Vancouver Giants ice hockey teams.  The point of the book is to demonstrate that personal explanations of success that draw on a narrative of self-made brilliance have a lot more to them – that successful people are the beneficiaries of hidden advantages and opportunities that help to give them a leg up in a way that isn’t open to most of us.  In the example of the ice hockey teams in the book (which we’re calling ice hockey for my English listeners, to distinguish it from actual hockey, which is played on a grass field), Paula Barnsley, who is the wife of psychologist Dr. Roger Barnsley, noticed during a game that the majority of the players on teams just like the Medicine Hat Tigers and Vancouver Giants had birthdays that clustered in a certain way.  Roger Barnsley went home and researched all the junior league players he could, and then the national league, and found that in any elite group of ice hockey players, 40% of the plyers will have been born between January and March, 30% between April and June, and 20% between October and December (Gladwell doesn’t say what happened to the 10% born between July and September).  Barnsley said that “In all my years in psychology I have never run into an effect this large.  You don’t even need to do any statistical analysis.  You just look at it.”

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:28

The reason for this is that the eligibility cutoff for age class hockey is January 1, which means that children born at on January 2nd are a whole year older than children born on December 31st, which is a large proportion of a young child’s life.  The same effect replicates in baseball and football (which I refuse to call “soccer”), because these also have similar age cutoffs in youth sports.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:56

Then there’s a half page of text that really caught parents’ ears – reference to a study by two economists who looked at the relationship between scores on a standardized test, and the child’s age at the time of taking the test, and the effect was found here as well.  One of the authors of that paper, Dr. Elizabeth Dhuey, was quoted as saying “Just like in sports, we do ability grouping early on in childhood…so, early on, if we look at young kids, in kindergarten and first grade, the teachers are confusing maturity with ability.  And they put the older kids in the advanced stream, where they learn better skills; and the next year, because they are in the higher groups, they do even better; and the next year, the same things happen, and they do even better again.”  Dr. Dhuey subsequently looked at college students and found that students belonging to the relatively youngest group in their class are underrepresented by about 11.6%.  Gladwell concludes: “That initial difference in maturity doesn’t go away with time. It persists. And for thousands of students, that initial disadvantage is the difference between going to college – and having a real shot at the middle class – and not.”

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:59

Now those words are almost guaranteed to strike fear into the heart of parents, even though the real problem here is the perception that college is the only path to “having a real shot at the middle class,” who responded by holding their children back from kindergarten when their birthdays were within the last few months of the kindergarten eligibility cutoff.  In the U.S., this practice came to be known as redshirting, which is a term borrowed from sports.  In college athletics, which is big business in the U.S., athletes are only allowed to play for four years but they might ‘redshirt’ the first year which means they wouldn’t formally participate in competition while they get bigger and stronger.  Then they can still play four years after that.  But they’re not just sitting out in that year; they’re practicing with the team and getting bigger and stronger, and they wear a red shirt in practice to indicate that they’re in redshirt status.  From what I’ve read on Wikipedia a coach can tell you at the beginning of the year that you’re redshirting but it isn’t confirmed until the end of the season, so if the star quarterback gets injured then the redshirted player can give up their redshirt status and still play.  So that aspect doesn’t come into play in the academic setting, but the practice of holding a child out of kindergarten for the year when they are technically eligible to attend has become widely referred to as redshirting, and that’s what we’re going to discuss today.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:11

In some ways this was a very easy episode to research, and in other ways it was incredibly difficult.  We’re going to aim to answer a series of questions:

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:20

How common is redshirting?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:22

Who does it and why do they do it?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:24

What are the benefits of red shirting and who realizes those benefits?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:28

And if someone benefits, who is on the other end of the stick and misses out?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:33

And then in conclusion, what does the preponderance of the evidence indicate about whether we should redshirt our children or not?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:39

Now before we get going on these interesting and important topics, I do want to take a slight detour here to make sure we're all together and understanding the kinds of data and analysis that we're working with here. In many ways, this episode was an incredible relief to research because there's been a lot of interest in the topic, so papers were really easy to find, and the majority of them are based on State-level or National-level datasets.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:02

So often on the show, I have to caveat the findings by saying, "Well, now I do have to warn you this study is based on what five White people in Chicago told a researcher." or "This study is based on 100 college students who receive course credit for participating." Here, our datasets are amazing. There are a couple of qualitative studies where researchers are interviewing just a few people, but these add a richness to the quantitative data that would otherwise be missing. The majority of the data sets are produced by State-level records of children's birth and enrollment in school and standardized test scores with some National-level data produced in the same ways as well, combined with National-level surveys of teachers. Researchers using this data are trying to find out what happens under normal conditions when nothing is being manipulated and find correlations between things they think are related. Of course, the problem with correlational data is we can't be sure that just because the two factors vary together that one causes the other. For example, we can find data showing that as seatbelt usage increased in cars in the 1990s, that far fewer astronauts died in spacecraft. So should we try to save astronauts life by putting on our seatbelt, maybe not.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>07:08

And then sometimes States do things like change the cutoff date for kindergarten entry, and that creates what researchers call quasi-experimental data. And we can see what happens when conditions change, and people aren't allowed to do something that they could have chosen to do in the past. And this can help us to get a bit closer to a Cause-and-Effect relationship. Although these effects may not be generalizable outside the area where the experiment happened. But we do have to be a little bit careful with big data sets. One of these issues doesn't apply so much to us, which is the problem of having a sample size that doesn't accurately reflect the population. There's a nice example in one of the papers and the references about a survey of 2.4 million people, which indicated that Governor Alfred Landon of Kansas would win the 1936 election by a landslide. Now you've heard of President Landon, right? If not, that's because the incumbent, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, won 46 of the then 48 States. The magazine that ran the poll surveyed its own readers who skewed towards supporting Governor Landon, so the poll respondents didn't accurately reflect the actual population it was trying to measure.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>08:13

In the State-level data, it's possible the results wouldn't be generalizable to populations outside the State, but they do include the vast, vast majority of students inside the State. They might exclude students who opted out of standardized testing, for example, but we have a number of National-level data sets as well, and these National-level data sets don't necessarily include every child in the country, but they are specifically designed to be representative. So, our data sets are often fully representative of the population, and when they're not, these are very large data sets designed to be nationally representative.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>08:47

And the second thing to be aware of when you're looking at working with large data sets is differences between the two conditions you're studying can look statistically significant very easily. You could get a result with a State or National-level data set, that's statistically significant at p = 0.05, which is the generally accepted standard, but which has an effect size that's tiny and inconsequential to your life. And I always think back to research on tantrums on this topic, which might find that parents who take a certain action when their child's having a tantrum can achieve a statistically significant reduction in the frequency of tantrums their child has. Doesn't that sound amazing? Well, it ends up being a reduction from something like 15 to 14 tantrums a day. Is that change meaningful in a parent's life? No, it is not.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>09:33

And so one final thing to be aware of in this data is that it isn't always super current. Even when I restrict my searches to papers published in the last five years, the data they often use is far older, especially when you're looking at long term effects. You have to look at data from when children were in school 20 years ago, so we can't be sure that educational methods use then are comparable to what's used today. We'll come back to the idea of there being more standardized testing now than there was in the past even in kindergarten, so the educational conditions that were in place when children were redshirted 20 years ago, and they're experiencing certain outcomes now are no longer in place for your child to experience. So a study might find that children who attended kindergarten on time in the 1980s had better lifetime outcomes, but the kind of kindergarten those children attended doesn't exist anymore.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>10:20

All right, so now we're all square on that. Our first question, How common is red shirting is actually excitingly easy to answer. A pretty good conservative estimate came up with a US national average prevalence rate of four to five and a half percent, which in a way makes us wonder why are we even doing a whole episode on it if it's just a small percentage of people that this affects. But the national average conceals considerable variation within specific schools and demographics. In one fifth of schools that serve primarily families of high socioeconomic status, redshirting rates can be as high as 15% of all children, which translates to 60% of children being born within the three months before the cutoff for kindergarten entry being redshirted.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>11:04

All right on to our next question. Who redshirts and why do they do it? Nearly 6% of White children redshirt. But fewer than 1% of Black children do. About 2% of Hispanic and 2.7% of Asian children redshirt. About 2.3% of children in the lowest socio-economic status quintile redshirt compared to 6.4% of children in the highest quintile. Boys are held back in far larger numbers than girls by a ratio of about two to one. The most surprising finding about redshirting rates occurred after North Carolina adjusted its cutoff date to enter kindergarten from October 16 to September 1 in 2006 - we're going to come back to the data on this study pretty often - and the rate of redshirting essentially went to nil. The authors of that study say that these findings suggest that children's absolute age rather than age relative to classmates plays a dominant role in the decision to redshirt.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>11:58

Children who had been born in October would have previously been considered for redshirting, but the authors wondered, "Well did parents of August-born children just start redshirting instead? And it turned out they didn't. For reasons the authors didn't seem to be able to explain. And the rate of redshirting for children born between September 1 and October 16, was close to zero.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>12:18

So why do parents redshirt their children? While allowing children's absolute age to increase before they enter school is one reason which is based on the idea that children need to be mature enough when they enter school to be successful primarily because this increases children's attention spans, their tolerance for seated instruction, and it improves their behavior. This approach to looking at redshirting has been around since the 1960s and 70s, when researchers at the Gesell Institute argued that children should be entered in school grouped and promoted on the basis of their developmental or behavioral age, not on the basis of their chronological age or IQ. The book School Can Wait was published in 1979 and perhaps this accounts for the fairly large number of parents of my generation who were surveyed about their decision to redshirt their child who report having been redshirted themselves.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>13:04

In addition to popular books, there was quite a bit of enthusiasm for redshirting expressed in journal articles in this period. Like this statement from a paper in the journal education: "Redshirting is a program that can be applied at any level of the educational system nationwide, statewide district-wide or in an individual classroom]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/redshirting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">104cc4fb-239b-4e2d-b5dd-24b80fe19e41</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ef649a7b-1c7d-4fdc-b4af-486f796636bf/your-parenting-mojo-redshirting-final-v3.mp3" length="79379769" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:06:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Dismantling White Supremacy and Patriarchy on MLK Day</title><itunes:title>Dismantling White Supremacy and Patriarchy on MLK Day</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this short ad hoc episode that was originally recorded as a Facebook Live, I discuss ways that my family is working on dismantling both White supremacy and patriarchy (and having a go at capitalism while we're at it!) this Martin Luther King Jr. Day holiday weekend.

The best part is that this doesn't have to be heavy work that brings with it a huge sense of guilt. It's about building community that lifts all of us up, and gets us out of the 'stay in my lane' mindset that White supremacy uses to keep us in line. And it also doesn't have to happen only on the holiday itself - this work is just as relevant and important the rest of the year.

Prefer to watch rather than listen? <a href="https://fb.watch/35B03cpt1h/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Click here to join the free YPM Facebook group and watch the video recording of the episode</a>

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>00:01

Hello, everyone, it's Jen. And I just wanted to do another live episode as it were in the free Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group because I did one recently for the events after the US Capitol siege. And responding to that, and actually looked at the analytics on it and found that it was one of my most recently downloaded episodes. So, this is sort of just another informal episode. And we'll be back to regular programming next week, but wanted to share some thoughts on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, which is today here in the US. And I think this is actually the special—the first holiday recorded an episode that I've done ever. So it feels kind of cool to be doing it for this particular day for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. And I wanted to share some thoughts that actually I concepted on a bike ride, which tends to be how these things come about when I have some time to think. And I'm really sort of thinking, “Okay, what is it that parents need to know in this right now? What's important about continuing Dr. King's legacy?” And I talked in the episode from last week about the events in the US Capitol, about the anti-racist work that we're doing, and that is so necessary that has to continue, yes, we have to keep doing that. We also need to do things like learning about the achievements of Black people, both in history and today. And at all that I really enjoy for that is, if you're not watching on Facebook Live, I'm holding up these Black history flashcards. They're published by an organization called Urban intellectuals, which I believe is a Black-owned company. And we've actually been storing them in a little teacup on our dining room table, and my daughter will request that we go through at least one and up to three of them, I draw the line at three because then I don't get to eat dinner at the dinner table every day. And we talk through not just sort of the what are the bullet points on the back of the card that each of these individuals on the cards did.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>01:55

But what does it mean? What does it mean that to say that they were entrepreneurs, trappers, and traders in the 1700s is one of the people that we read about last night was what kind of circumstances came into place to even make that possible when the vast majority of Black people in that period who were over in the Americas were enslaved. What kind of circumstances and personality and situation were involved in this? And so I think that that is really helping us to put some kind of context around. It's not just that there were millions of Black people here in the US, and they were all enslaved, and they were sort of this monolithic entity. But these were individual people who had individual lives and individual concerns, and they made incredibly valued and undervalued contributions to our culture, you know, inventing things and setting up one of the people we read about last night set up the city of Chicago, he founded a settlement that turned into the city of Chicago, the leaders, former leader of Kenya and Ghana, who negotiated independence from the UK. And so obviously, that focus is very much on history. And we also need to be talking about the work that Black people and other people of color are doing on an ongoing basis today. But it's just sort of an additional way that we are making this because of sort of baking these ideas into the fabric of our everyday lives.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>03:18

And then, yes, we need to do our overtly anti-racist work, we need to be talking with our children about these ideas that don't just leave them with the impression that Black people were victimized and victims of their circumstances that they had agency in their lives and continue to have agency in their lives. And don't need rescuing. They don't need us to come and save them, they can tell us what they need and we should be listening to that. But I think it goes even deeper than that because I'm not sure that many of us myself absolutely included, fully understand the ways that White supremacy and patriarchy, and even capitalism show up in our lives. And so we've discussed before on the show, the interview with Dr. Carol Gilligan, and a bunch of times since then, in a variety of other episodes, about how patriarchy operates and how that shows up in ourselves. And one of the ways it does that is through creating separation, both within ourselves and between individuals. And so it separates, it crazy separation in ourselves by setting up these sort of arbitrarily masculine and arbitrarily feminine qualities. So masculine qualities might be things like logic and reason and, and assertiveness and confidence and all these things you stereotypically associate with men.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>04:39

And then the feminine categories might be things like intimacy and tenderness, and unconditional love, and sort of the soft, feminine sides. And of course, the point here is that we all have all of these characteristics. There's nothing inherently masculine or feminine about any of them, but by dividing them, we're able to privilege one set, we're able to privilege the masculine set and say, Well, this is what we should be working towards, which is why we tell our girls that they should go and do STEM careers and, and exceed in traditionally male-dominated fields. But we don't tell either our girls or boys that yeah, it's okay to care about other people, it's okay to be in caring professions, and to want to have that be your life's work. So there's that sort of split within ourselves, but it also separates individuals by, in a way sort of policing our behavior and telling us what's acceptable and what isn't. And one of the ways it does that is by making it really difficult to ask for help, or even to offer help. And because we're all supposed to project this image of, “Well, I've got it together, everything's fine. There's no problem here, things are under control.” And if that's not the case, for any reason, then we can always buy something to help us fix that circumstance, like, we can buy a service, like a cleaner or somebody to outsource a part of the work that we're feeling is not in control too.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>06:07

And so it's not even okay to offer help, I think, because that sort of breaks down the idea that the person you're offering to has it all together. And even if we offer, then the person sort of supposed to say, “Well, yeah, I'm okay, thanks, everything's fine, I don't really know of anything you can do.” And then we as the offer are sort of just supposed to stay in our lane and let it go. And I think the reason for this is that we are under a patriarchal White supremacist capitalist culture. We're not supposed to have this true sense of kind of community, because if we had that, we wouldn't need to buy as much stuff. Because we would just help each other out. And so there wouldn't be this need to just buy stuff to fill the gaps that that we have in our lives because we aren't able to be in true community. For example, my neighbor is running down to the store the other night, she was going already, and she lean down the car window on the way pass and she said, “Do you need anything?” And I had just been to the store early that day. And forgotten to get yogurt and said, “Hey, would you mind get me a quarter yogurt?” And so I didn't need to call down to Instacart. I didn't need to go down to the store again, myself. It was just a simple, you know, do you need anything, and me saying yes, rather than, “Well, I don't want to burden her or, you know, I don't want to go upstairs and get money right now.” And of course, when you do this often enough, the money can just kind of flow back and forth and it becomes less of a big deal. But she offered help. And I said, “Yeah,” in that moment, I would love to have some help. Thank you very much.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>07:41

And so this holiday weekend, one of the things that I'm focusing on most closely, and I think my focus sort of shifts every year as I learn more, and I feel like my the ideas that I want to look at change. So for this year, what I'm doing right now is taking steps to reach out to my community, and specifically a community that was right around me. And so, I emailed the listener for all the people who live on our street. And I told them about all the things that my daughter Carys is interested in, which currently includes salamanders and invertebrates and fungi that are popping up around our neighborhood when it sometimes rains, not so often as it should be at the moment. And asking for their help and finding these things. And so we immediately got inundated with information like, “Is she interested in spiders?” “Oh, I have some orange fungi in my yard. I'll try and remember to bring them over.” We had one neighbor who said, “Hey, can we do a trade? I have a photography...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this short ad hoc episode that was originally recorded as a Facebook Live, I discuss ways that my family is working on dismantling both White supremacy and patriarchy (and having a go at capitalism while we're at it!) this Martin Luther King Jr. Day holiday weekend.

The best part is that this doesn't have to be heavy work that brings with it a huge sense of guilt. It's about building community that lifts all of us up, and gets us out of the 'stay in my lane' mindset that White supremacy uses to keep us in line. And it also doesn't have to happen only on the holiday itself - this work is just as relevant and important the rest of the year.

Prefer to watch rather than listen? <a href="https://fb.watch/35B03cpt1h/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Click here to join the free YPM Facebook group and watch the video recording of the episode</a>

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>00:01

Hello, everyone, it's Jen. And I just wanted to do another live episode as it were in the free Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group because I did one recently for the events after the US Capitol siege. And responding to that, and actually looked at the analytics on it and found that it was one of my most recently downloaded episodes. So, this is sort of just another informal episode. And we'll be back to regular programming next week, but wanted to share some thoughts on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, which is today here in the US. And I think this is actually the special—the first holiday recorded an episode that I've done ever. So it feels kind of cool to be doing it for this particular day for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. And I wanted to share some thoughts that actually I concepted on a bike ride, which tends to be how these things come about when I have some time to think. And I'm really sort of thinking, “Okay, what is it that parents need to know in this right now? What's important about continuing Dr. King's legacy?” And I talked in the episode from last week about the events in the US Capitol, about the anti-racist work that we're doing, and that is so necessary that has to continue, yes, we have to keep doing that. We also need to do things like learning about the achievements of Black people, both in history and today. And at all that I really enjoy for that is, if you're not watching on Facebook Live, I'm holding up these Black history flashcards. They're published by an organization called Urban intellectuals, which I believe is a Black-owned company. And we've actually been storing them in a little teacup on our dining room table, and my daughter will request that we go through at least one and up to three of them, I draw the line at three because then I don't get to eat dinner at the dinner table every day. And we talk through not just sort of the what are the bullet points on the back of the card that each of these individuals on the cards did.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>01:55

But what does it mean? What does it mean that to say that they were entrepreneurs, trappers, and traders in the 1700s is one of the people that we read about last night was what kind of circumstances came into place to even make that possible when the vast majority of Black people in that period who were over in the Americas were enslaved. What kind of circumstances and personality and situation were involved in this? And so I think that that is really helping us to put some kind of context around. It's not just that there were millions of Black people here in the US, and they were all enslaved, and they were sort of this monolithic entity. But these were individual people who had individual lives and individual concerns, and they made incredibly valued and undervalued contributions to our culture, you know, inventing things and setting up one of the people we read about last night set up the city of Chicago, he founded a settlement that turned into the city of Chicago, the leaders, former leader of Kenya and Ghana, who negotiated independence from the UK. And so obviously, that focus is very much on history. And we also need to be talking about the work that Black people and other people of color are doing on an ongoing basis today. But it's just sort of an additional way that we are making this because of sort of baking these ideas into the fabric of our everyday lives.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>03:18

And then, yes, we need to do our overtly anti-racist work, we need to be talking with our children about these ideas that don't just leave them with the impression that Black people were victimized and victims of their circumstances that they had agency in their lives and continue to have agency in their lives. And don't need rescuing. They don't need us to come and save them, they can tell us what they need and we should be listening to that. But I think it goes even deeper than that because I'm not sure that many of us myself absolutely included, fully understand the ways that White supremacy and patriarchy, and even capitalism show up in our lives. And so we've discussed before on the show, the interview with Dr. Carol Gilligan, and a bunch of times since then, in a variety of other episodes, about how patriarchy operates and how that shows up in ourselves. And one of the ways it does that is through creating separation, both within ourselves and between individuals. And so it separates, it crazy separation in ourselves by setting up these sort of arbitrarily masculine and arbitrarily feminine qualities. So masculine qualities might be things like logic and reason and, and assertiveness and confidence and all these things you stereotypically associate with men.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>04:39

And then the feminine categories might be things like intimacy and tenderness, and unconditional love, and sort of the soft, feminine sides. And of course, the point here is that we all have all of these characteristics. There's nothing inherently masculine or feminine about any of them, but by dividing them, we're able to privilege one set, we're able to privilege the masculine set and say, Well, this is what we should be working towards, which is why we tell our girls that they should go and do STEM careers and, and exceed in traditionally male-dominated fields. But we don't tell either our girls or boys that yeah, it's okay to care about other people, it's okay to be in caring professions, and to want to have that be your life's work. So there's that sort of split within ourselves, but it also separates individuals by, in a way sort of policing our behavior and telling us what's acceptable and what isn't. And one of the ways it does that is by making it really difficult to ask for help, or even to offer help. And because we're all supposed to project this image of, “Well, I've got it together, everything's fine. There's no problem here, things are under control.” And if that's not the case, for any reason, then we can always buy something to help us fix that circumstance, like, we can buy a service, like a cleaner or somebody to outsource a part of the work that we're feeling is not in control too.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>06:07

And so it's not even okay to offer help, I think, because that sort of breaks down the idea that the person you're offering to has it all together. And even if we offer, then the person sort of supposed to say, “Well, yeah, I'm okay, thanks, everything's fine, I don't really know of anything you can do.” And then we as the offer are sort of just supposed to stay in our lane and let it go. And I think the reason for this is that we are under a patriarchal White supremacist capitalist culture. We're not supposed to have this true sense of kind of community, because if we had that, we wouldn't need to buy as much stuff. Because we would just help each other out. And so there wouldn't be this need to just buy stuff to fill the gaps that that we have in our lives because we aren't able to be in true community. For example, my neighbor is running down to the store the other night, she was going already, and she lean down the car window on the way pass and she said, “Do you need anything?” And I had just been to the store early that day. And forgotten to get yogurt and said, “Hey, would you mind get me a quarter yogurt?” And so I didn't need to call down to Instacart. I didn't need to go down to the store again, myself. It was just a simple, you know, do you need anything, and me saying yes, rather than, “Well, I don't want to burden her or, you know, I don't want to go upstairs and get money right now.” And of course, when you do this often enough, the money can just kind of flow back and forth and it becomes less of a big deal. But she offered help. And I said, “Yeah,” in that moment, I would love to have some help. Thank you very much.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>07:41

And so this holiday weekend, one of the things that I'm focusing on most closely, and I think my focus sort of shifts every year as I learn more, and I feel like my the ideas that I want to look at change. So for this year, what I'm doing right now is taking steps to reach out to my community, and specifically a community that was right around me. And so, I emailed the listener for all the people who live on our street. And I told them about all the things that my daughter Carys is interested in, which currently includes salamanders and invertebrates and fungi that are popping up around our neighborhood when it sometimes rains, not so often as it should be at the moment. And asking for their help and finding these things. And so we immediately got inundated with information like, “Is she interested in spiders?” “Oh, I have some orange fungi in my yard. I'll try and remember to bring them over.” We had one neighbor who said, “Hey, can we do a trade? I have a photography assignment for a class that I'm doing. And I have to photograph children expressing various different emotions.” Of course, your daughter is welcome to come and look in my yard whenever she likes but could we also do this trade where I get to photograph her and fulfill this goal for my assignment? And so we went over there and Carys got to turn over every rock in my neighbor’s back yard. And my neighbor was just fascinated by by watching this and how curious Carys is about all this stuff.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>09:02

And I got to talk with his neighbor who is probably four doors down the street from me whom I've seen in passing, I knew her name before, but I had no idea about the things that are important to her and what she spent her life doing. And we were able to deepen that connection just because of that simple email that I had sent out that I wasn't even offering anything in particular, you know, yes, I had also added something to the button to say you know, if your kids are homeschooling or interested in anything at all that we might be able to help with feel free to reach out. But she just said hey, you know this, this is relevant to me. I'd love to be able to get some help with this. This is relevant to you. Can we work together? And yes, it was. It was a really lovely way to spend a couple of hours in the afternoon. Another way that we're doing this is by getting closer to our neighbors and actually proposed a meal-sharing arrangement with them where we would cook an extra meal one night a week and then give it to them, and they would cook an extra meal one night a week and give it to us. And so, it's literally almost no extra work. It's like 5% extra work. And it gets the other family a night off from cooking.

<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>10:09

Another thing that I'm also doing with my neighbors is that they have two kids who are in school, in zoom school most of the day, so they're not available in the mornings. But in the afternoons, they are basically running around the house and both parents are trying to work from home and get stuff done. And of course, I'm working from home too. And what I've finally realized is I can give up the illusion of feeling like I need to be shut away in a room to get work done. And rather than be interrupted every 15 minutes with my daughter who would literally walk past my husband to come down to the room where I'm working and ask for a snack, rather than have that continual interruption. I can actually work more effectively if I put a deck chair out in the driveway and sit sometimes bundled up in a lot of down jackets in the sun, in the winter. And Carys is playing with their kids and they're kind of running in between the two gardens wearing masks and looking for salamanders, exchanging rocks, bouncing a ball around, and just doing things that basically keep themselves entertained. And yes, I'm not in a quiet room. And now I couldn't do it on a day when I had a lot of calls, but it's it takes so much pressure off my neighbor who now doesn't have to worry every minute about what our kids are getting into, why it's quiet in the living room, and that she knows that they are having fun interactions. And it's basically no more work for me either. And so, I think that that is really sort of deepening our connections to each other as well.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>11:38

One more example, I was out in the street yesterday morning, and our neighbors announced he was going to the store and renting a rug cleaner. And I thought, “Oh, thank goodness. Carys had actually peed on a rug by accident six months ago,” and we couldn't get the smell out. It's been rolled up; I haven't been able to get to the store to get a rug cleaning myself. I said, “Hey, can we go in on that with you? Can I just pay you half of the rental cost? And we'll use it for 15 minutes to try and get the smell out of this rug?” And he's like, “Sure, of course, why not.” And so I didn't have to go to the store and get the thing, which is the thing that's been holding me back for the last six months, he got a bit of help on the rental cost and was happy to help out. And again, we deepen the sense that if you ask for help, other people are more likely to ask us back, because they sort of in the beginning it kind of feel like well, I don't want to ask them, they never asked me for anything. And so I don't feel like I want to ask them. But if we put that first handout and say, “Hey, can I ask for your help with something?” Then they are much more likely to come back around when they need something. And that's what builds our sense of community. So yes, we can also offer to help people of course, particularly on a day like today, when we're thinking about what is our impact on the world. How do we want to leave our mark on this world? What are some of the ways that this is truly meaningful for you? Maybe helping scientists to catalog plant and animal species, that's one of the things we're going to be doing in a BioBlitz.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>13:16

Where we're helping scientists understand what species we're finding in our neighborhood. Maybe we have a bit of a platform inside the company that we work for, and that we can use that to ask for change for things that seem really meaningful right now, and that you see that need to happen. Maybe like my neighbor, the photography friend, who we just met yesterday, properly is going out to protests at the invitation of the organizers and taking photographs of protests that are happening, and then giving them the images and donating them so that the organizations can use these images in their marketing materials and on their websites. And so they get high-quality images and my friend gets to feel as though her unique skills and talents are actively contributing, you know, yes, she could just show up to the protest. But she's going one step beyond that to share the unique skills and talents that she brings to the world. So the one thing I do want to say about this is if we do live in heavily segregated communities, as many of us do, it can focus on our very local communities and can end up hoarding resources. And that's one of the issues that I have with the Buy Nothing groups, particularly the ones that require that you live in a certain area to be a part of them. Because what that ends up doing is saying, “Well, you know, they all if all the people in my neighborhood are relatively well advantaged, we're only going to trade stuff within my neighborhood.” And that just ends up sort of hoarding and consolidating the resources available in that community is the people in that community to trade all of their expensive equipment. And people in a very different community have access to very different resources.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>14:47

So I don't think that this focus on your tight local community is the only answer. But let's do these things in parallel. Let's do a bit of this and let's also do some reaching across community lines. Let's continue our anti-racist work. Let’s continue the conversations we're having with our children. Let's build our communities up on a variety of different scales, as we are working to dismantle the old systems. So I really hope that you'll join me in this work. I would love to hear about what it is you do as a resource for your community and also this so you're thinking about ways that you're going to be offering help to the community, but also, how are you going to ask for help from your community? What is it that you can identify that's like, “Oh, I'm going away for the weekend and the trash cans need to be out Monday morning, could I ask somebody to help put my trash cans out?” Just some tiny little thing like that gets you in conversation with your neighbors gets you on a different level of interaction than just saying hi, that you are offering something or asking for something, and that that will make it more likely that they will do the same in return. And that's how we build community.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan </strong>15:57

So, thank you so much for joining me for this. We're gonna be back to regular episodes next week, and our episode for next week will be on red-shirting, whether or not you should red-shirt your child. It was actually one that I wrote over the holidays and it was a very, very in-depth episode. And of course, there are lots of connections to social justice issues related to whether or not you should hold your child back from kindergarten for a year, which is what we mean by red-shirting for those of you who are outside the US. So stay tuned for that lots more research-based information coming as usual, but I just wanted to share these thoughts with you and not let this holiday go by without sort of offering something to maybe help us all a little bit. Just move the needle, just move the needle a tiny bit in our local communities, and also much broader than that as well. So thanks so much for joining me and I will see you again soon.

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">You can find my resources on the intersection of parenting and race here.</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/white-parents-how-to-talk-with-your-preschooler-about-black-lives-matter/">There's a specific blog post suggesting a script for talking with children about the Black Lives Matter movement (which could be adapted for this situation) here.</a>

<a href="https://www.surjbayarea.org/events/category/action-hour-events">Showing Up for Racial Justice's Action Hours are here</a>

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:01

Hello, everybody! I am recording live in our Facebook group. And I'm also recording this separately on the camera and on audio only as a way to share this information more broadly across a variety of platforms. I thought it was actually sharing in the group a minute ago, and I am not sure that it was working so I'm just trying to give this another go around. And I think actually, I just got the same message pop up saying that I was not sharing and now I am sharing, so hopefully this is going through to everywhere that it's supposed to be going. So the content of what I want to talk about today is about what has happened at the US Capitol. And it's been a couple of days, it's Friday, today, January 8, and two days after the events happened at the Capitol. And I wasn't really sure what to say and so I didn't want to say anything, I didn't want to say the wrong thing. And I went out for a bike ride this morning and it sort of clarified for me what it was that I wanted to say. And so that's why if you're watching this on video, you're probably seeing a bit of a stripe across my forehead and I'm freshly showered because I kind of came back and was on fire about what it was that I wanted to say. And so you're sort of hearing my relatively raw unedited thoughts. And I'm a little nervous about sharing those with you which is why you probably hear this in my voice. So I want to start with talking with our children about the events that have happened at the Capitol, because I'm hearing questions in Facebook groups and other places online if parents want to have these kinds of conversations with their children, but they don't know how to do it or they're thinking, okay, maybe my children are too young to understand what's going on and I don't want to scare them, and I'm not sure if I'm going to have a conversation with them at all.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:57

And so, I have published resources on this before I actually have a post on how to talk with your child about Black Lives Matter. And I think that a lot of the principles that are discussed in there are very similar. And we want to do it in an age-appropriate way, we want to lead with their questions, and so I think ideally, this will come from them being out in the world, and they'll see things that they're curious about, and they'll ask about them, and that will lead into a conversation on these topics. But if we are not out so much lately, as many of us are not and maybe we don't have the news on all the time, and so their exposure to it may be much less than it otherwise would have been. And so well, what can we do when that's the case? And we're not sure how to bring the conversation up? Well, I would say the first thing we can do is to talk about it with a spouse or significant other or another adult over dinner, or over some other period of time where it's natural for you to have a conversation. And to just talk about what's on your mind—what's been in the news today? how is today's developments casting new light on? what we're thinking about what happened at the US Capitol? And pretty soon your child is probably going to say, “What are you talking about?” Or something that indicates that they're interested in this topic and I think that that can be a jumping-off point for you to try and give some background and ideally, that this won't be the first conversation that you will have had on current events like this, and you'll be able to talk about in context, Donald Trump and the policies that he has been enacting, and the ways that he talks to people, and whom he talks to. And so, that will provide you with the context that you need to then describe what has happened.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:46

When they have questions, we can answer their questions clearly and directly. And also not be afraid to say when we don't know, because there's a lot that we don't know. And we don't have to put across the impression that we do know everything to our children all the time. I think it's also fine to share how we feel about the events with our children. It's important for them to see that our words and what we're saying match our demeanor, if we are clearly afraid about something, but we're sort of saying, “Oh, don't worry about it, it's fine,” then what they're learning from that is well, “I can see that my parent is not fine, but they're telling me fine. They're telling me everything's fine. Something really important is going on here,” or they may see, “Well, I just don't trust my own ability to judge how other people are reacting because I'm getting these mixed messages and I don't understand which one to prioritize. It must be what my parent is saying. And so I must not be capable of judging how their nonverbal reactions are supporting that message.” And so, I think behind a lot of these questions around what should I talk to my child, what should I say to my child, there's this big issue of privilege and of having the luxury to make that decision and to decide what we're going to say and to be able to make a decision to choose to say things that don't scare our children. And not all parents have the luxury to do this. So, if you're coming at these conversations for the first time, then welcome. There are resources that I've published available to help you there, a number of them are collected at yourparenting mojo.com/race. There's actually one on how to talk with your child about Black Lives Matter and I think that a number of the principles that are discussed in that post are also very applicable here. And the kind of script that you can use to build on their questions will also be helpful as you're navigating this kind of conversation.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>05:50

So, that's the issue of talking with our children about this topic, but I think that there's a broader issue that I want to make sure isn't neglected. Because I think it's really critical to examine what is our role in this system, in the system that has made it feel to some people like Donald Trump is the best option who's available to me, and what he says is what I'm going to do. Because I think that it's really easy to point to those people and say, “Well, those people are racist, and I'm not like them, and it's all their fault, their problem,” and instead, I think that we all need to examine our role in the system that has created these events and to take action related to that. And so what does that mean? Well, I worked for a consulting company for a long time. And I worked in sustainability consulting for a number of years, which I really enjoyed, but it became apparent that there was a point in time where it was obvious people, companies were not willing to pay the premiums that my company wanted to sell this work for. And so, I was on the verge of getting laid off and an executive that I'd worked with previously, who appreciated my work said, “You should come to work on my team,” and I said, “Sure.” And so, we were in a portion of the business where we were selling outsourcing services and other things as well, technology implementation, but we were also selling outsourcing services. And so what I was essentially doing was supporting proposal development work, and so directly involved in selling the company's services related to outsourcing in countries like India and the Philippines, which would take jobs away from American citizens and outsource them to those companies where it's cheaper to operate.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>07:59

And I remember reading in the news several years ago now that my company would force the American workers to train their new replacements on their jobs as a condition of receiving severance pay. And so, you know, I don't want to point to you and say, “You are the problem, you listeners, you watchers are the problem,” because we are all part of this problem. I was selling work that was taking jobs away from people who are many of them now are supporting Donald Trump, and sending that to other countries. And of course, there's a lot of complexity involved here, maybe I was involved in lifting the standard of living for somebody who was in those countries. It's not cut and dry. But I am not uninvolved in this system and neither are you. No matter where you sit in life, you have a role to play in this system. So maybe you're a teacher, and you participate in systems that involve awarding points for children who are reading books, and so that they can collect points and win rewards for reading books, as they're learning how to read. Well, what does that do? It pits children against each other, and it directly undermines the kind of cooperative systems that children from many other cultures learn at home and says that the way of being that you've learned in your culture is not valued here, competition is valued here. And if you want...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this ad hoc episode, I outline a response to the U.S. Capitol siege.  I provide some suggestions for ways to talk with your child about the events, but also ask that you take two more steps: (1) examine your own role in these events, even if you condemn them yourself (as I do); (2) take action based on your own position and role in the world to work toward equality.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">You can find my resources on the intersection of parenting and race here.</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/white-parents-how-to-talk-with-your-preschooler-about-black-lives-matter/">There's a specific blog post suggesting a script for talking with children about the Black Lives Matter movement (which could be adapted for this situation) here.</a>

<a href="https://www.surjbayarea.org/events/category/action-hour-events">Showing Up for Racial Justice's Action Hours are here</a>

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>00:01

Hello, everybody! I am recording live in our Facebook group. And I'm also recording this separately on the camera and on audio only as a way to share this information more broadly across a variety of platforms. I thought it was actually sharing in the group a minute ago, and I am not sure that it was working so I'm just trying to give this another go around. And I think actually, I just got the same message pop up saying that I was not sharing and now I am sharing, so hopefully this is going through to everywhere that it's supposed to be going. So the content of what I want to talk about today is about what has happened at the US Capitol. And it's been a couple of days, it's Friday, today, January 8, and two days after the events happened at the Capitol. And I wasn't really sure what to say and so I didn't want to say anything, I didn't want to say the wrong thing. And I went out for a bike ride this morning and it sort of clarified for me what it was that I wanted to say. And so that's why if you're watching this on video, you're probably seeing a bit of a stripe across my forehead and I'm freshly showered because I kind of came back and was on fire about what it was that I wanted to say. And so you're sort of hearing my relatively raw unedited thoughts. And I'm a little nervous about sharing those with you which is why you probably hear this in my voice. So I want to start with talking with our children about the events that have happened at the Capitol, because I'm hearing questions in Facebook groups and other places online if parents want to have these kinds of conversations with their children, but they don't know how to do it or they're thinking, okay, maybe my children are too young to understand what's going on and I don't want to scare them, and I'm not sure if I'm going to have a conversation with them at all.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>01:57

And so, I have published resources on this before I actually have a post on how to talk with your child about Black Lives Matter. And I think that a lot of the principles that are discussed in there are very similar. And we want to do it in an age-appropriate way, we want to lead with their questions, and so I think ideally, this will come from them being out in the world, and they'll see things that they're curious about, and they'll ask about them, and that will lead into a conversation on these topics. But if we are not out so much lately, as many of us are not and maybe we don't have the news on all the time, and so their exposure to it may be much less than it otherwise would have been. And so well, what can we do when that's the case? And we're not sure how to bring the conversation up? Well, I would say the first thing we can do is to talk about it with a spouse or significant other or another adult over dinner, or over some other period of time where it's natural for you to have a conversation. And to just talk about what's on your mind—what's been in the news today? how is today's developments casting new light on? what we're thinking about what happened at the US Capitol? And pretty soon your child is probably going to say, “What are you talking about?” Or something that indicates that they're interested in this topic and I think that that can be a jumping-off point for you to try and give some background and ideally, that this won't be the first conversation that you will have had on current events like this, and you'll be able to talk about in context, Donald Trump and the policies that he has been enacting, and the ways that he talks to people, and whom he talks to. And so, that will provide you with the context that you need to then describe what has happened.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>03:46

When they have questions, we can answer their questions clearly and directly. And also not be afraid to say when we don't know, because there's a lot that we don't know. And we don't have to put across the impression that we do know everything to our children all the time. I think it's also fine to share how we feel about the events with our children. It's important for them to see that our words and what we're saying match our demeanor, if we are clearly afraid about something, but we're sort of saying, “Oh, don't worry about it, it's fine,” then what they're learning from that is well, “I can see that my parent is not fine, but they're telling me fine. They're telling me everything's fine. Something really important is going on here,” or they may see, “Well, I just don't trust my own ability to judge how other people are reacting because I'm getting these mixed messages and I don't understand which one to prioritize. It must be what my parent is saying. And so I must not be capable of judging how their nonverbal reactions are supporting that message.” And so, I think behind a lot of these questions around what should I talk to my child, what should I say to my child, there's this big issue of privilege and of having the luxury to make that decision and to decide what we're going to say and to be able to make a decision to choose to say things that don't scare our children. And not all parents have the luxury to do this. So, if you're coming at these conversations for the first time, then welcome. There are resources that I've published available to help you there, a number of them are collected at yourparenting mojo.com/race. There's actually one on how to talk with your child about Black Lives Matter and I think that a number of the principles that are discussed in that post are also very applicable here. And the kind of script that you can use to build on their questions will also be helpful as you're navigating this kind of conversation.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>05:50

So, that's the issue of talking with our children about this topic, but I think that there's a broader issue that I want to make sure isn't neglected. Because I think it's really critical to examine what is our role in this system, in the system that has made it feel to some people like Donald Trump is the best option who's available to me, and what he says is what I'm going to do. Because I think that it's really easy to point to those people and say, “Well, those people are racist, and I'm not like them, and it's all their fault, their problem,” and instead, I think that we all need to examine our role in the system that has created these events and to take action related to that. And so what does that mean? Well, I worked for a consulting company for a long time. And I worked in sustainability consulting for a number of years, which I really enjoyed, but it became apparent that there was a point in time where it was obvious people, companies were not willing to pay the premiums that my company wanted to sell this work for. And so, I was on the verge of getting laid off and an executive that I'd worked with previously, who appreciated my work said, “You should come to work on my team,” and I said, “Sure.” And so, we were in a portion of the business where we were selling outsourcing services and other things as well, technology implementation, but we were also selling outsourcing services. And so what I was essentially doing was supporting proposal development work, and so directly involved in selling the company's services related to outsourcing in countries like India and the Philippines, which would take jobs away from American citizens and outsource them to those companies where it's cheaper to operate.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>07:59

And I remember reading in the news several years ago now that my company would force the American workers to train their new replacements on their jobs as a condition of receiving severance pay. And so, you know, I don't want to point to you and say, “You are the problem, you listeners, you watchers are the problem,” because we are all part of this problem. I was selling work that was taking jobs away from people who are many of them now are supporting Donald Trump, and sending that to other countries. And of course, there's a lot of complexity involved here, maybe I was involved in lifting the standard of living for somebody who was in those countries. It's not cut and dry. But I am not uninvolved in this system and neither are you. No matter where you sit in life, you have a role to play in this system. So maybe you're a teacher, and you participate in systems that involve awarding points for children who are reading books, and so that they can collect points and win rewards for reading books, as they're learning how to read. Well, what does that do? It pits children against each other, and it directly undermines the kind of cooperative systems that children from many other cultures learn at home and says that the way of being that you've learned in your culture is not valued here, competition is valued here. And if you want to do well, if you want to get ahead, then you need to get on board with that competitive approach. If you are teaching at any level at all, have you evaluated your curriculum through an anti-racist lens? You know, even if you're at the university level, are you looking at the contributions that Black people have made in your field? And are you teaching that alongside all of the contributions that the much better-known White inventors, scientists, and whoever has made in that field? If you're in government, how are the policies that you are creating, helping to perpetuate the system? Or how are they helping to break those systems down? If you're in business, does your business incorporate anti-racist principles? Are you actively working to lift up all people? I will say that I have been searching for a number of months now for a consulting company to help me look at embedding anti-racist principles into my business.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>10:33

So, if you're watching this, and you work for somebody who does this, or you know of a company that does this, I know there are many companies that do it for multinational businesses. I am not aware of anyone who is yet doing it on a very small scale. I'm very interested in piloting something around that if somebody wants to develop an offering that can be taken to many small businesses. So this work needs to continue, even though I'm no longer working at the consulting company, it still needs to continue within my own business. If you don't work outside of the home, if your work involves raising children, then you still play a role. If your child is in daycare, or school, or preschool, where whatever situation they're in how do you advocate for resources for your child? Do you look at policies at your preschool daycare school? And look at those through the lens of well, “How does this benefit me? And how does this withhold benefits from other people?” Does this level the playing field? Does it help to lift up a group that has historically not been able to access resources as well as the group that I'm a member of has been able to? Does your child come home after the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, holiday? And I think that well, he made a speech about having a dream and there was this woman called Rosa Parks, and she sat on a bus and now we're good. Racism isn't a problem anymore. If your child is coming home with that kind of message, then there's some work to do here.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>12:06

And I would say if you're listening to this and thinking, “Well, that sounds exhausting to look at everything I do through that lens,” then I would say, “Yeah, maybe it can seem like some extra effort.” But it's not as much effort as being on the other end of these principles that are actively working against your existence, your right to exist in this world. And it is our responsibility as parents who have more privilege to examine our role in this system and to take steps to, break that system down to the extent that we can within our particular role in it. And so, I also want to link this idea to patriarchy, because I think that it's all connected. It's all connected because patriarchy does three things. Firstly, it creates scarcity, it creates a scarcity of jobs, it creates a scarcity of money of resources, and then it pits people against each other to vie for those resources. So I think a lot of parents who listen to the show feel a lot of pressure to give their children the skills they need to get ahead in life and to put them in the best daycare situation, and the best school situation so that they can get a job and place it in an elite university, and get a job from there at a White collar consulting company that I used to work for, or an investment banking firm or something along those lines. And that when we're doing those things, we are contributing to the perpetuation of this system that we're not seeing that this scarcity is in many ways artificially created as a way to keep us working against each other instead of working with each other. And that's sort of a separate, the second thing that patriarchy does creating separation, it makes us say, “Well, we're different from them and I want those resources, I need my child to go to an elite university so that they can get ahead and have a better life than I had. And there isn't enough stuff for me and my family to have it and for them and their family to have it and I need to make sure that my family has it, so I'm going to do everything I can for my child to get that and for their child to not get that.”

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>12:06

And we may sort of have this veneer of well, everything's equal and everybody's the same, but at the end of the day, if we are advocating for resources that benefit our child in the way that they do not benefit all other children, then we are part of this system that is perpetuating this problem. And then finally patriarchy creates powerlessness. And I think this is sort of a hypothesis of mine, but we see that people who are supporting Donald Trump are angry. And anger is always something that conceals other things underneath it, anger is never the only thing that's going on. And very often what anger conceals is a sense of fear, and maybe a sense of shame. And that the people who are angry are scared underneath all of this, they're scared that they won't be able to feed their family or whatever it is that’s going on for them. And because we have these other elements of patriarchy we're being pitted against each other, they are seeing well, if those people are being lifted up, then by default, I am not being lifted up and I need more, and we can't both have more. SoI think that, for some parents who are listening to this, they may be thinking, well, you know, all of this is politics. It's all stuff that's going out in the on out there in the world and this is not really connected to parenting, and that somebody who's talking about parenting doesn't have any business talking about politics. When I am coming to a certain place to get information about parenting, I want to just be able to get information about parenting and not have to deal with all the political stuff.

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>16:25

And to do those parents, I would say, “Okay, there's plenty of places where you can get that,” and increasingly, that is not going to be here in the Your Parenting Mojo community because this is directly connected to parenting. Adults use force to resolve conflicts that they're having because they learn this from their parents. And if you're thinking, “Well, I don't use force, I don't spank my kid. I'm not doing those things,” then I would say, okay, then we need to take a closer look at what's going on. And again, I'm not pointing fingers at you here, I'm saying this is all of us. This is me included. You know, sometimes we will sugarcoat our force, popular parenting advice says, “If your child is being difficult, and can't choose between what they're getting, you know, on the suite of options of what they're going to wear in the morning, then you give them two choices that you can live with both of them and that's what they get to choose between, or you have to brush your teeth, but we can use the pink toothbrush or the blue toothbrush. And at the end of the day, we're still applying force here, we're still saying, you're going to do this, you are getting dressed. And I'm going to make it seem like you have some choice by allowing you to pick between these two options and I think that's a really key idea here, that if you are allowing the child to pick, then that's not really choices. The same as in school, where you're allowed to pick between two assignments, the teacher is determined are acceptable, but you don't actually get a choice in terms of what you're learning. And we do this all the time, and I think it was in a conversation I had with Hannah and Kelsey on the upbringing podcast, where they were talking about having attended a Black Lives Matter protest, and you know, everybody there is saying, fight the power, fight the power and then they're getting home, and it's time for the kids to go to bed and saying, “Well, you're gonna brush your teeth now,” and so if you're sort of in public having this fight the power message, but at home, you're then forcing your child to do things against their will, then we are still perpetuating this same approach, we're still saying, “I don't care about how you how you feel about this.”

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<strong>Jen Lumanlan  </strong>18:51

We may even be early in the stage of working through sort of a more peaceful parenting approach. And we know that we're supposed to hear our children and we're supposed to validate their feelings. And then so often, what I see is the parents will then jump to a solution and say, “Well, this is what we're going to do. I hear that you're frustrated and this is how we're going to do it,” and so then they wonder, well, a lot of times questions will come up around, well, my child won't engage in problem-solving with me, and they just walk away or they just say on and on and on I'm not listening or I just don't care or something like that. And the child has learned that they have no power in this interaction, that it's going to seem like they have some power, but actually, they have no power. So I think sort of the bigger thing that I want to convey here is that we're going to be exploring these ideas more and more here on the podcast and in other places that I'm active. We're not leaving the research behind, we're still going to be taking a very research-based approach to understanding what's going on with our children, but increasingly, we're going to be questioning the system that the research sets with it, and saying, “Well, how do we know that this is even the right question to ask? How do we situate this?” And what]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/capitolsiege]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">10976d09-5057-4b63-9f18-81bae0908dc0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f3c9a1bb-6f7d-445e-a852-015deebf57a6/us-capitol-seige-mixdown.mp3" length="39542881" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>127: Doing Self-Directed Education</title><itunes:title>127: Doing Self-Directed Education</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When parents first hear about interest-led learning (also known as self-directed education), they may wonder: why on earth would we do that?  And how would my child learn without anyone teaching them?

&nbsp;

Many parents start down this path with only an inkling of where it may end up taking them and I think this is true of our guest, Akilah Richards.  Akilah grew up in a typical Jamaican family where children were not allowed to have an opinion about anything - even their own bodies and feelings.  In her book Raising Free People, she writes that:

&nbsp;

<em>"Respect, the way [Jamaican parents] define it, is non-negotiable, and the spectrum of things a child can do to disrespect an adult, especially a parent, is miles wide and deep.  Reverence for adults, not just respect, is expected, normalized, and deeply ingrained.  Somebody else's mama could slap you for not showing reverence to any adult. </em>

&nbsp;

<em>Physical punishment for the wrong displays of emotion, even silent ones like frowns or subtle ones like deep sighs, were commonplace, expected, celebrated as one of the reasons children "turned out right."  Not only did you, as a child, dismiss any attitudes or anything adults might perceive as rudeness, your general countenance should reflect a constant respect - no space at all for showing actual emotion, if that emotion was contrary to what was reverent and pleasant for the adults in your life - again, especially your parents."</em>

&nbsp;

While we may not have grown up with parents who were as overtly strict as this, chances are our parents and teachers used more subtle ways of keeping us in line with behavior management charts, grades (and praise for grades) and the withdrawal of approval if we were to express 'negative' emotions like frustration or anger.

&nbsp;

And of course this is linked to learning because compulsory schooling does not allow space for our children to be respected as individuals.  There may be dedicated, talented teachers within that system that respect our children and who are doing the very best they can to provide support, but they too are working within a system that does not respect <em>them</em>.

&nbsp;

So how could we use interest-led learning/self-directed education to support our child's intrinsic love of learning - as well as our relationship with them?  This is the central idea that we discuss in this episode.  It's a deep, enriching conversation that cuts to the heart of the relationship we want to have with our children, and I hope you enjoy it.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Resources discussed during the conversation:</strong>

<a href="https://www.eclecticlearningnetwork.com/">Maleka Diggs' Eclectic Learning Network</a>

<a href="https://www.rfpunschool.com/p/learningtolisten">Developing a Disruptor's Ear, by Akilah Richards and Maleka Diggs</a>

<a href="https://network-3043137.mn.co/">Toward Radical Social Change (TRUE) community</a>

<a href="https://raisingfreepeople.com/">Akilah's website, Raising Free People</a>

<a href="https://www.pmpress.org/index.php?l=product_detail&amp;p=1145">Akilah's book, Raising Free People</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When parents first hear about interest-led learning (also known as self-directed education), they may wonder: why on earth would we do that?  And how would my child learn without anyone teaching them?

&nbsp;

Many parents start down this path with only an inkling of where it may end up taking them and I think this is true of our guest, Akilah Richards.  Akilah grew up in a typical Jamaican family where children were not allowed to have an opinion about anything - even their own bodies and feelings.  In her book Raising Free People, she writes that:

&nbsp;

<em>"Respect, the way [Jamaican parents] define it, is non-negotiable, and the spectrum of things a child can do to disrespect an adult, especially a parent, is miles wide and deep.  Reverence for adults, not just respect, is expected, normalized, and deeply ingrained.  Somebody else's mama could slap you for not showing reverence to any adult. </em>

&nbsp;

<em>Physical punishment for the wrong displays of emotion, even silent ones like frowns or subtle ones like deep sighs, were commonplace, expected, celebrated as one of the reasons children "turned out right."  Not only did you, as a child, dismiss any attitudes or anything adults might perceive as rudeness, your general countenance should reflect a constant respect - no space at all for showing actual emotion, if that emotion was contrary to what was reverent and pleasant for the adults in your life - again, especially your parents."</em>

&nbsp;

While we may not have grown up with parents who were as overtly strict as this, chances are our parents and teachers used more subtle ways of keeping us in line with behavior management charts, grades (and praise for grades) and the withdrawal of approval if we were to express 'negative' emotions like frustration or anger.

&nbsp;

And of course this is linked to learning because compulsory schooling does not allow space for our children to be respected as individuals.  There may be dedicated, talented teachers within that system that respect our children and who are doing the very best they can to provide support, but they too are working within a system that does not respect <em>them</em>.

&nbsp;

So how could we use interest-led learning/self-directed education to support our child's intrinsic love of learning - as well as our relationship with them?  This is the central idea that we discuss in this episode.  It's a deep, enriching conversation that cuts to the heart of the relationship we want to have with our children, and I hope you enjoy it.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Ready to Support Your Child's Natural Learning</strong></h3>
Whether this episode has you considering unschooling, reinforced your commitment to traditional schooling, or left you somewhere in between, one thing is clear: <strong>every child deserves to have their natural curiosity and love of learning nurtured</strong>.

&nbsp;

The challenge for parents isn't choosing the "right" educational path, but knowing how to support meaningful learning wherever your child is.

&nbsp;

The <strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership">Learning Membership</a></strong> gives you the tools to nurture your child's development whether they're in traditional school, homeschooled, or unschooled.

&nbsp;

You'll discover how to:
<ul><li>Turn everyday moments into rich learning opportunities (just like Laura does with her daughter)</li><li>Support your child's interests and curiosity without becoming the "teacher" parent</li><li>Create a home environment that enhances rather than competes with whatever educational approach you choose</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

Inside the membership, you'll find research-backed strategies that work alongside any educational setting, helping you become the parent who nurtures learning rather than forcing it.

&nbsp;

Your child's curiosity is precious - don't let it get lost in debates about educational methods.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Resources discussed during the conversation:</strong>

<a href="https://www.eclecticlearningnetwork.com/">Maleka Diggs' Eclectic Learning Network</a>

<a href="https://www.rfpunschool.com/p/learningtolisten">Developing a Disruptor's Ear, by Akilah Richards and Maleka Diggs</a>

<a href="https://network-3043137.mn.co/">Toward Radical Social Change (TRUE) community</a>

<a href="https://raisingfreepeople.com/">Akilah's website, Raising Free People</a>

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:03

Hi, I’m Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that’s helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you’d like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you’ll join us.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we're going to hear from a special guest Anne, who is a parent whom I work with on a regular basis. She's going to tell us about the anxiety that she used to feel to be the perfect parent to her son, which threatened to overwhelm her and potentially even her marriage. She actually joined my membership a couple of years ago hoping it would teach her how to become the perfect parent. And in some ways, she didn't get what she paid for at all. And another she got so much more.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:28

Unfortunately, she didn't learn how to become the perfect parent. Instead, she realized there's no such thing as a perfect parent and that trying to be the perfect parent was tearing her apart. She learns new communication tools which we teach as a way of helping parents to get on the same page about the parenting decisions they're making, But of course, they're applicable to other kinds of conversations as well. So now she's able to talk with her husband in a way that doesn't get his back up, that helps him to understand her needs, and she's able to hear and understand his needs, and they can work together to find solutions to all kinds of problems, not just those related to parenting.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>02:02

She's become deeply involved in anti-racist work, and if you join the membership, you'll actually find her leading our anti-racist group activities. When she's learned how to stand up to family members, when they say something that she finds deeply offensive. She used to just be offended and let it slide and be seething on the inside, but she doesn't do that anymore, and she knows how to decide which of these kinds of issues that families disagree on are okay to let go, and which are worth taking a stand on. And she's become increasingly confident over the last few months to take a stand on those things that she knows are important to her. So, she's learning how to set boundaries with people that she's never felt able to set boundaries with before, which is setting a great example for her son who's watching and learning from her.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>02:45

So, in some ways, she's become more rigid where she used to be so flexible that her needs weren't being met. And in other ways, she's become much more flexible, where she used to be very rigid. She doesn't worry anymore about teaching her son coding, or Spanish, or any of the other skills that she wants thought were critical to his success and to her role as a good parent. Instead, she sees her son for who he is, and she's able to meet his needs rather than imposing on him what she used to feel she had to deliver to him in her role as the perfect parent.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:17

Anne it's just one of the amazing parents that I've had the honor to work with in my memberships over the last couple of years. Some of them are former perfect parents, other parents who were just about holding it together and have found a similar sense of calm and clarity as they connect with their child's needs and have let all the unimportant stuff go. I'd love to work with you as well, no matter where you are in your parenting journey.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:38

To learn more about the memberships go to YourParentingMojo.com/memberships.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:44

I'm here today with a listener. Anne. Anne, thanks so much for joining us. It's so great to see you.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>03:48

Hello, good to see you too.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:51

So, I wonder if you could tell us maybe a little bit about your family and yourself as well. And, and we're going to talk about kind of a transformation that's happened in your parenting over the last couple of years. So maybe you can just set the stage by telling us a bit about who you are and who you live with.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>04:06

Sure. Yeah. So, my name is Anne. And I have a two-and-a-half-year-old son Anderson. And we live with his father, my husband, Jeff, and let's see. Yeah, I work in STEM and education for university. I really like what I do. That's nice. I have great work life balance. So that's awesome, too. Yeah, we live in Arizona. Flagstaff, Arizona, so it's actually snowing here today.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:36

Yes. You're getting all the snow; we're getting all the sun.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>04:40

Yes. Strange weather. Yeah.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:43

So, I wonder if you can tell me about some things that are important to you as an individual and, and the values that you really had as you were thinking about having children and starting to raise a child.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>04:55

Right. Yes. So, I actually did quite a bit of thought into this. about two and a half years ready before I had my son. So, I just, yeah, I thought a lot about what kind of world I was bringing him into and what kind of world I wanted to set up for him and what our values might be. So yeah, above all, I believe in just compassion, empathy, equity, respect for all people, including, you know, and that doesn't exclude anyone, even people that exclude other people, for instance. And also, to some degree, just the ecosystem, so the living and nonliving things in our life. And I really, I try to live by that. And I'd like to raise my son to live by that.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>05:46

Yeah. And so, you joined the Finding Your Parenting Mojo membership a couple of years ago, and I wonder if you can tell me a little bit about what was going on in your mind when you made that decision to join? What were you trying to achieve?

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<strong>Anne  </strong>06:00

Oh, yes, good questions. My goals have shifted a little bit. Yeah, at the time, it was my goal, you know, to have my son speak Spanish, and to be versed in coding, and all these things. And I really just wanted to be like the perfect parent. I wanted to, like, give him the stage set for any kind of life that he wanted to live. And that was very exhausting. And yeah, like, not possible, really. So, when I joined, I was really looking to become like a perfect parent. But what it's done is much different than that, right?

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:40

Yeah, a little bit.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>06:41

It certainly helped me grow as a parent, but it's also helped me shift my perspective as to kind of where I want to put my energy and how to make it effective.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:53

Okay.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>06:54

I already...

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:55

And how did that process start for you?

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<strong>Anne  </strong>06:57

So, it started, I guess, by reading, reading guides, listening to your podcasts, and kind of checking out some ancillary materials, you know, that you have provided. And then also, I think the big leap for me was participating in the membership calls. So, interacting with other people that share the same goals, creating kind of a community. And just seeing the different examples of ways people are doing it, and how they're fitting in and through their lives. It really started to shift things in my life as opposed to just absorbing massive amounts of information.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>07:38

Mm hmm. Yeah, this is a common tendency isn't it? It's when we feel like something isn't right, that we it's just we haven't read the right book yet. We just need more information.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>07:49

Right? Yeah. I read a lot of books. Changed a lot what I was doing

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:03

Hi, I’m Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that’s helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you’d like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you’ll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we're going to hear from a special guest Anne, who is a parent whom I work with on a regular basis. She's going to tell us about the anxiety that she used to feel to be the perfect parent to her son, which threatened to overwhelm her and potentially even her marriage. She actually joined my membership a couple of years ago hoping it would teach her how to become the perfect parent. And in some ways, she didn't get what she paid for at all. And another she got so much more.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>01:28

Unfortunately, she didn't learn how to become the perfect parent. Instead, she realized there's no such thing as a perfect parent and that trying to be the perfect parent was tearing her apart. She learns new communication tools which we teach as a way of helping parents to get on the same page about the parenting decisions they're making, But of course, they're applicable to other kinds of conversations as well. So now she's able to talk with her husband in a way that doesn't get his back up, that helps him to understand her needs, and she's able to hear and understand his needs, and they can work together to find solutions to all kinds of problems, not just those related to parenting.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:02

She's become deeply involved in anti-racist work, and if you join the membership, you'll actually find her leading our anti-racist group activities. When she's learned how to stand up to family members, when they say something that she finds deeply offensive. She used to just be offended and let it slide and be seething on the inside, but she doesn't do that anymore, and she knows how to decide which of these kinds of issues that families disagree on are okay to let go, and which are worth taking a stand on. And she's become increasingly confident over the last few months to take a stand on those things that she knows are important to her. So, she's learning how to set boundaries with people that she's never felt able to set boundaries with before, which is setting a great example for her son who's watching and learning from her.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:45

So, in some ways, she's become more rigid where she used to be so flexible that her needs weren't being met. And in other ways, she's become much more flexible, where she used to be very rigid. She doesn't worry anymore about teaching her son coding, or Spanish, or any of the other skills that she wants thought were critical to his success and to her role as a good parent. Instead, she sees her son for who he is, and she's able to meet his needs rather than imposing on him what she used to feel she had to deliver to him in her role as the perfect parent.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:17

Anne it's just one of the amazing parents that I've had the honor to work with in my memberships over the last couple of years. Some of them are former perfect parents, other parents who were just about holding it together and have found a similar sense of calm and clarity as they connect with their child's needs and have let all the unimportant stuff go. I'd love to work with you as well, no matter where you are in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:38

To learn more about the memberships go to YourParentingMojo.com/memberships.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:44

I'm here today with a listener. Anne. Anne, thanks so much for joining us. It's so great to see you.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>03:48

Hello, good to see you too.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:51

So, I wonder if you could tell us maybe a little bit about your family and yourself as well. And, and we're going to talk about kind of a transformation that's happened in your parenting over the last couple of years. So maybe you can just set the stage by telling us a bit about who you are and who you live with.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>04:06

Sure. Yeah. So, my name is Anne. And I have a two-and-a-half-year-old son Anderson. And we live with his father, my husband, Jeff, and let's see. Yeah, I work in STEM and education for university. I really like what I do. That's nice. I have great work life balance. So that's awesome, too. Yeah, we live in Arizona. Flagstaff, Arizona, so it's actually snowing here today.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:36

Yes. You're getting all the snow; we're getting all the sun.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>04:40

Yes. Strange weather. Yeah.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:43

So, I wonder if you can tell me about some things that are important to you as an individual and, and the values that you really had as you were thinking about having children and starting to raise a child.

&nbsp;

<strong>Anne  </strong>04:55

Right. Yes. So, I actually did quite a bit of thought into this. about two and a half years ready before I had my son. So, I just, yeah, I thought a lot about what kind of world I was bringing him into and what kind of world I wanted to set up for him and what our values might be. So yeah, above all, I believe in just compassion, empathy, equity, respect for all people, including, you know, and that doesn't exclude anyone, even people that exclude other people, for instance. And also, to some degree, just the ecosystem, so the living and nonliving things in our life. And I really, I try to live by that. And I'd like to raise my son to live by that.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:46

Yeah. And so, you joined the Finding Your Parenting Mojo membership a couple of years ago, and I wonder if you can tell me a little bit about what was going on in your mind when you made that decision to join? What were you trying to achieve?

&nbsp;

<strong>Anne  </strong>06:00

Oh, yes, good questions. My goals have shifted a little bit. Yeah, at the time, it was my goal, you know, to have my son speak Spanish, and to be versed in coding, and all these things. And I really just wanted to be like the perfect parent. I wanted to, like, give him the stage set for any kind of life that he wanted to live. And that was very exhausting. And yeah, like, not possible, really. So, when I joined, I was really looking to become like a perfect parent. But what it's done is much different than that, right?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:40

Yeah, a little bit.

&nbsp;

<strong>Anne  </strong>06:41

It certainly helped me grow as a parent, but it's also helped me shift my perspective as to kind of where I want to put my energy and how to make it effective.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:53

Okay.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>06:54

I already...

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:55

And how did that process start for you?

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<strong>Anne  </strong>06:57

So, it started, I guess, by reading, reading guides, listening to your podcasts, and kind of checking out some ancillary materials, you know, that you have provided. And then also, I think the big leap for me was participating in the membership calls. So, interacting with other people that share the same goals, creating kind of a community. And just seeing the different examples of ways people are doing it, and how they're fitting in and through their lives. It really started to shift things in my life as opposed to just absorbing massive amounts of information.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>07:38

Mm hmm. Yeah, this is a common tendency isn't it? It's when we feel like something isn't right, that we it's just we haven't read the right book yet. We just need more information.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>07:49

Right? Yeah. I read a lot of books. Changed a lot what I was doing

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<strong>Jen  </strong>07:57

Yeah. And so, what do you think might have happened if you've gone down that path that you were on? Where do you think that would have taken you as a parent? And then your relationship with your son?

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<strong>Anne  </strong>08:08

Good question. I did reach a tipping point, kind of with my exhaustion. And yeah, just reached a level of anxiety that was alarming. And we all realized as a family, oh, wait, we need to change something here. This isn't working. So yeah, I was just very kind of overwhelmed and filled with anxiety, mostly. And I wonder, you know, if that tipping point hadn't have happened, and they just kind of kept chugging along on that path, you know, I think some possible outcomes could have been parental burnout, work, life burnout, potentially even divorce. Hopefully not. But you know, those things that, you know, tend to happen when you just kind of keep chugging along in a fear based, anxious state. I'm happy to be off that track.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>09:03

Oh, wow. Okay, so I wonder then, if you can tell us a bit about how this transformation happened between that place where you were, that was very fear and anxiety based to what seems like a very different path. What was the beginning? Like?

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<strong>Anne  </strong>09:18

Yeah, so I mean, like, with all transformative change, it came from multiple directions, right? You know, there was some of the different topics we covered in the membership group like parenting as a team - pairing with your partner - you know, that kind of broadened in the marriage aspect, like how can I improve my relationship to improve my parenting. And then goal setting and reducing anxiety, self-compassion, you know, all these things that these ideas that I hadn't really been introduced to in any sort of helpful way before. So, you know, it starts with the idea and then just trying to incorporate it, like, okay, here's a situation where I recognize this is what's happening, how can I actually incorporate what I'm learning about, and hearing about, and talking about with other people into this? How can I bring that into this situation? So, it's been like, kind of a practice.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>10:20

And yeah, like talking about things that have, here's a situation that happened in the past, and I anticipate it's going to happen again, like, bringing up those examples and talking through, Well, how could I have done this better? or What can I do next time. So it is, the difference is bringing it into your personal life as a practice. And being able to talk with you, being able to talk with other parents on this journey about what they might do in your specific situation really makes the difference, I think.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>10:56

Yeah, and I've been impressed in the times that we've interacted on our group calls, you lay yourself out there, and you get kind of vulnerable. And it's, it's not required, there are some people who will, will definitely kind of hold things back. And they're looking for a situation or a solution to a certain situation. But you will kind of say, you know, this is what's going on for me right now. And it's hard. And I think that that really allows us to get below the surface level, "Oh, well, my child's misbehaving, what do I do?" to what's really underneath this and how do we work on that stuff? Because that's, I mean, that's the stuff of life, right? That's the  really important stuff.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>11:34

Yeah, no, I mean, being vulnerable is extremely important to grow. And, yeah, every time that I have been vulnerable on these calls, and our groups and everything like that, it's helped me get out of that. Whatever, undesirable situation, I'm in that I may not want to share it because I'm embarrassed, I'm able to actually move through it, and then it's no longer an issue. So, I don't even have to be embarrassed about it anymore because it's not there anymore. So yeah, I think it's really important. And it does, it helps to have the community that you know, will be supportive to be able to bring that, those things up.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>12:20

Hmm. I wonder if you can talk us through a specific challenge that you've had, and something that maybe it just, just seemed like, there wasn't a way out of this paper bag and then how that shifted for you. Is there is an example that pops to mind?

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<strong>Anne  </strong>12:36

Yes, I mean, there's a lot of... There's so many things that I worked through after, you know, a lifetime of really not addressing them this year. So, yeah, I think one really surprising thing out of this, you know, improve my parenting goal which I'm a part of here is that it's actually helped me address some things in my relationship with my mother which has always been very complicated. We just have gone through several periods of, you know, not getting along to kind of tolerating each other, and then going back into the not getting along.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>13:15

And so, one of the things that I was able to do in the membership just through kind of these interactions with the community, is kind of stand up to her about some non-inclusive political beliefs that she was just spouting. And, you know, I've never really stood up to my mother for myself, I've always just kind of changed the subject or walked away, or, you know, just sit there, and listen with a scowl on my face or something like that. And so, kind of when we were talking about this, like how to raise anti-racist children how to be less racist, more anti-racist yourself, then I was thinking, you know, I do I need to stand up to her about this thing.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>14:06

And so, she said something that I didn't agree with. It was about like blue versus pink diapers or something. And I was just, you know, and I found it offensive. And I was like, "I'm upset that you said that." And that's all it took. I didn't have to elaborate. I didn't have to try to present any data, any argument, you know, like, nothing. That's all it took. And she's basically like, I'd never stood up to my mother about anything. So that gave me the confidence to stand up to her about stuff that mattered to me and my relationship with her, in my relation, in my son's relationship with her. And since I've kind of been able to address some of these things head on as they come up, and be like, "Hey, I don't want you to treat my son that way. Or I don't want you to treat me that way. That's not fair." And to her credit, she's been super responsive and very apologetic. And so, it's a two-way street, right? But if you never stand up for yourself, then you never would know, right? And you'd never have the opportunity to improve the situation. So, our relationship, my relationship with my mother has improved, as well as my son's relationship with his grandmother.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>15:23

Yeah, I didn't know you're going to bring up this example, but I remember that you recently visited with her, right? And had a kind of a breakthrough in that relationship. Would you mind speaking about that?

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<strong>Anne  </strong>15:36

Yeah, so we visited for three weeks, because you know, COVID world and like, if you're going to travel, I'm working from home anyways. So where does it matter where I am. So, so we visited for three weeks, that's just an extremely long amount of time. And at one point, we were packing, I'm packing for a weekend with my husband and my son, we're going to take their camper and kind of get away from the vacation for a vacation from a vacation. And my son wanted to pack some blocks that my mother had bought him to play with. Well, she kind of has her own thing about toys, and you know, what's hers and things mean a lot to her. And I was totally triggered because I was like, "You!" You know, in my in my inner child head I'm like, "You never let me play with the toys I wanted to play with." And, you know, "You always controlled the way I played with them." And now that you're telling my son, my two-year-old son that he can't take these blocks that you bought them, like, I'm super triggered. So, I just, you know, I threw an adult tantrum, and I was just throwing them blocks in the bag. And then later, when she, we kind of came together to reconcile and apologize, I was like, "You know, what I was triggered, I was triggered because of trauma from childhood that I had around toys. And that you, you know, you wouldn't let me play with toys the way I wanted to, you wouldn't let me play with certain toys. They always had to be, how you saw them, and which toys and it was just very controlling." And so, she was basically like, "Wow, okay, I'm really sorry, I did that." And then fast forward three days, she was like, "I remember doing this to you. I remember that American Girl doll that you wanted. Not getting it for you. Buying you a porcelain doll that you weren't allowed to play with. I remember these things. And I'm sorry, I'm really sorry."

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<strong>Jen  </strong>17:40

Wow, first time I'm hearing all the details is giving me the shivers.

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<strong>Anne  </strong>17:42

And so, no, it was really... And through that process she was kind of able to remember some good things about that. Like, because I wasn't allowed to play with toys, I just went outside. So, I've had, I have a lifelong love of the outdoors. So, I mean, that's not too bad. And you know, it's kind of, Yeah, it's just and how could my mother have known how that would affect me? You know, like, she don't know what you don't know. And she has her childhood stuff about toys. And so, I was able to forgive her completely.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>18:19

How did that feel?

&nbsp;

<strong>Anne  </strong>18:20

Amazing. Like, I don't even mind talking to her on the phone now. Like it's awesome.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/anne]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9f7f30-e5a2-48e8-8f1d-dad1b9f278d0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/35e7671a-4c63-45f1-83c6-42b9be8bcf53/your-parenting-mojo-anne-hamlin-final-v2.mp3" length="28973892" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:08</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>126: Problem Solving with Dr. Ross Greene</title><itunes:title>126: Problem Solving with Dr. Ross Greene</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Let's talk problem solving!  Many of us have tried it, but it's so common to get stuck...and to think that the method doesn't work, and then return in exasperation to the methods we'd been using all along.  These often involve coercion, or forcing the child to do something they don't want to do - but what's the alternative?

&nbsp;

In this episode we talk with Dr. Ross Greene, who developed the Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions (formerly Collaborative Problem Solving) approach in his books <a href="https://amzn.to/36JbJN5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Explosive Child</a> and <a href="https://amzn.to/2JCLxuE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Raising Human Beings</a>.  I really enjoyed digging into the research for this episode (why <em>do</em> all the papers describing CPS compare its effectiveness to behaviorist-based approaches?) but I ended up really taking one for the team: we didn't have time for all of my questions on the research because I wanted to make sure to address the challenges with problem solving that parents in the free <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group</a> described when I asked them about this topic.

&nbsp;

These challenges included:
<ul><li>How to problem solve with very young children</li><li>What to do when the same issue recurs over and over and the solutions we decide on together don't seem to help</li><li>How to navigate a child not wanting to leave the park when it's time to go</li><li>How to approach a child who doesn't seem to be able to or refuses to communicate their feelings</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>Dr. Greene's books</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2JCLxuE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Raising Human Beings</a>(Affiliate link)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/36JbJN5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Explosive Child</a>(Affiliate link)</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Note: Direct links to presentations from conferences can be found on Dr. Greene’s Lives in the Balance website: <a href="https://livesinthebalance.org/research" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://livesinthebalance.org/research</a>

<hr />

Booker, J., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2019). Patterns in the parent-child relationship and clinical outcomes in a randomized control trial. Presented at symposium, <em>Collaborative and Proactive Solutions as an alternative to Parent Management Training for youth with oppositional defiant disorder: A comparison of therapeutic models.</em> World Congress of Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies, Berlin, Germany.

<hr />

Booker, J.A., Capriola-Hall, N.N., Dunsmore, J.C., Greene, R.W., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2018). Change in maternal stress for families in treatment for their children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Journal of Child and Family Studies 27, 2552-2561.

<hr />

Booker, J.A., Ollendick, T.H., Dunsmore, J.C., &amp; Greene, R.W. (2016). Perceived parent-child relations, conduct problems, and clinical improvement following the treatment of Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Journal of Child &amp; Family Studies 25, 1623-1633.

<hr />

Calam, R. M. (2016). Broadening the focus of parenting interventions with mindfulness and compassion. <em>Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice</em> , 23(2), 161–164.

<hr />

Dedousis-Wallace, A., Drysdale, S., Murrihy, R.C., Remond, L., McAloon, J., Greene, R.W., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2019). Predictors and moderators of Parent Management Training and Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions in the treatment of oppositional defiant disorder in youth. Presented at symposium, <em>Collaborative and Proactive Solutions as an alternative to Parent Management Training for youth with oppositional defiant disorder: A comparison of therapeutic models.</em> World Congress of Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies, Berlin, Germany.

<hr />

Dunsmore, J.C., Booker, J.A., Ollendick, T.H., &amp; Greene, R.W. (2016). Emotion socialization in the context of risk and psychopathology: Maternal emotion coaching predicts better treatment outcomes for emotionally labile children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Social Development 25(1), 8-26.

<hr />

Fitzgerald, M., London-Johnson, A., &amp; Gallus, K.L. (2020). Intergenerational transmission of trauma and family systems theory: An empirical investigation. Family Therapy 42(3), 406-424.

<hr />

Greene, R., &amp; Winkler, J. (2019). Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions (CPS): A review of findings in families, schools, and treatment facilities. Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review 22, 549-561.

<hr />

Greene, R.W. (2016). Raising Human Beings: Creating a collaborative partnership with your child. New York, NY: Scribner.

<hr />

Greene, R.W. (2014). The explosive child: A new approach for understanding and parenting easily frustrated, chronically inflexible children. New York, NY: Harper Paperbacks

<hr />

Greene, R.W., &amp; Doyle, A.E. (1999). Toward a transactional conceptualization of Oppositional Defiant Disorder: Implications for assessment and treatment. Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review 2(3), 129-148.

<hr />

Hart, R. (1992). Children’s participation: From tokenism to citizenship. UNICEF. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/childrens_participation.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/childrens_participation.pdf</a>

<hr />

Kroger, J., Martinussen, M., &amp; Marcia, J.E. (2010). Identity status change during adolescence and young adulthood: A meta-analysis. Journal of Adolescence 33, 683-698.

<hr />

Miller-Slough, R.L., Dunsmore, J.C., Ollendick, T.H., &amp; Greene, R.W. (2016). Parent-child synchrony in children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder: Associations with treatment outcomes. Journal of Child and Family Studies 25(6), 1880-1888.

<hr />

Murrihy, R.C., Drysdale, S., Wallace, A., Remond, L., McAloon, J., Greene, R.W., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2019). Parent Management Training (PMT) and Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions (CPS): A randomized comparison trial for oppositional youth within an Australian population. Presented at symposium, <em>Collaborative and Proactive Solutions as an alternative to Parent Management Training for youth with oppositional defiant disorder: A comparison of therapeutic models.</em> World Congress of Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies, Berlin, Germany.

<hr />

Tiberio, S.S., Capaldi, D.M., Kerr, D.C.R., Bertrand, M., Pears, K.C., &amp; Owen, L. (2016). Parenting and the development of effortful control from early childhood to early adolescence: A transactional developmental model. Developmental Psychopathology 28(3), 837-853.

<hr />

Zero to Three (2016). Tuning in: National parent survey report. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/1425-national-parent-survey-report" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/1425-national-parent-survey-report</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Let's talk problem solving!  Many of us have tried it, but it's so common to get stuck...and to think that the method doesn't work, and then return in exasperation to the methods we'd been using all along.  These often involve coercion, or forcing the child to do something they don't want to do - but what's the alternative?

&nbsp;

In this episode we talk with Dr. Ross Greene, who developed the Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions (formerly Collaborative Problem Solving) approach in his books <a href="https://amzn.to/36JbJN5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Explosive Child</a> and <a href="https://amzn.to/2JCLxuE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Raising Human Beings</a>.  I really enjoyed digging into the research for this episode (why <em>do</em> all the papers describing CPS compare its effectiveness to behaviorist-based approaches?) but I ended up really taking one for the team: we didn't have time for all of my questions on the research because I wanted to make sure to address the challenges with problem solving that parents in the free <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group</a> described when I asked them about this topic.

&nbsp;

These challenges included:
<ul><li>How to problem solve with very young children</li><li>What to do when the same issue recurs over and over and the solutions we decide on together don't seem to help</li><li>How to navigate a child not wanting to leave the park when it's time to go</li><li>How to approach a child who doesn't seem to be able to or refuses to communicate their feelings</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3>Dr. Greene's books</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2JCLxuE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Raising Human Beings</a>(Affiliate link)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/36JbJN5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Explosive Child</a>(Affiliate link)</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits</strong></h3>
Do you have a child aged 1 - 10? Are they resisting, ignoring you, and talking back at every request you make? Do you often feel frustrated, annoyed, and even angry with them? Are you desperate for their cooperation - but don't know how to get it? If your children are constantly testing limits, the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop is for you.

&nbsp;

Go from constant struggles and nagging to a new sense of calm &amp; collaboration. I will teach you how to set limits, but we'll also go waaaay beyond that to learn how to set fewer limits than you ever thought possible. Sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Note: Direct links to presentations from conferences can be found on Dr. Greene’s Lives in the Balance website: <a href="https://livesinthebalance.org/research" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://livesinthebalance.org/research</a>

<hr />

Booker, J., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2019). Patterns in the parent-child relationship and clinical outcomes in a randomized control trial. Presented at symposium, <em>Collaborative and Proactive Solutions as an alternative to Parent Management Training for youth with oppositional defiant disorder: A comparison of therapeutic models.</em> World Congress of Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies, Berlin, Germany.

<hr />

Booker, J.A., Capriola-Hall, N.N., Dunsmore, J.C., Greene, R.W., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2018). Change in maternal stress for families in treatment for their children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Journal of Child and Family Studies 27, 2552-2561.

<hr />

Booker, J.A., Ollendick, T.H., Dunsmore, J.C., &amp; Greene, R.W. (2016). Perceived parent-child relations, conduct problems, and clinical improvement following the treatment of Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Journal of Child &amp; Family Studies 25, 1623-1633.

<hr />

Calam, R. M. (2016). Broadening the focus of parenting interventions with mindfulness and compassion. <em>Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice</em> , 23(2), 161–164.

<hr />

Dedousis-Wallace, A., Drysdale, S., Murrihy, R.C., Remond, L., McAloon, J., Greene, R.W., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2019). Predictors and moderators of Parent Management Training and Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions in the treatment of oppositional defiant disorder in youth. Presented at symposium, <em>Collaborative and Proactive Solutions as an alternative to Parent Management Training for youth with oppositional defiant disorder: A comparison of therapeutic models.</em> World Congress of Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies, Berlin, Germany.

<hr />

Dunsmore, J.C., Booker, J.A., Ollendick, T.H., &amp; Greene, R.W. (2016). Emotion socialization in the context of risk and psychopathology: Maternal emotion coaching predicts better treatment outcomes for emotionally labile children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Social Development 25(1), 8-26.

<hr />

Fitzgerald, M., London-Johnson, A., &amp; Gallus, K.L. (2020). Intergenerational transmission of trauma and family systems theory: An empirical investigation. Family Therapy 42(3), 406-424.

<hr />

Greene, R., &amp; Winkler, J. (2019). Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions (CPS): A review of findings in families, schools, and treatment facilities. Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review 22, 549-561.

<hr />

Greene, R.W. (2016). Raising Human Beings: Creating a collaborative partnership with your child. New York, NY: Scribner.

<hr />

Greene, R.W. (2014). The explosive child: A new approach for understanding and parenting easily frustrated, chronically inflexible children. New York, NY: Harper Paperbacks

<hr />

Greene, R.W., &amp; Doyle, A.E. (1999). Toward a transactional conceptualization of Oppositional Defiant Disorder: Implications for assessment and treatment. Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review 2(3), 129-148.

<hr />

Hart, R. (1992). Children’s participation: From tokenism to citizenship. UNICEF. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/childrens_participation.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/childrens_participation.pdf</a>

<hr />

Kroger, J., Martinussen, M., &amp; Marcia, J.E. (2010). Identity status change during adolescence and young adulthood: A meta-analysis. Journal of Adolescence 33, 683-698.

<hr />

Miller-Slough, R.L., Dunsmore, J.C., Ollendick, T.H., &amp; Greene, R.W. (2016). Parent-child synchrony in children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder: Associations with treatment outcomes. Journal of Child and Family Studies 25(6), 1880-1888.

<hr />

Murrihy, R.C., Drysdale, S., Wallace, A., Remond, L., McAloon, J., Greene, R.W., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2019). Parent Management Training (PMT) and Collaborative &amp; Proactive Solutions (CPS): A randomized comparison trial for oppositional youth within an Australian population. Presented at symposium, <em>Collaborative and Proactive Solutions as an alternative to Parent Management Training for youth with oppositional defiant disorder: A comparison of therapeutic models.</em> World Congress of Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies, Berlin, Germany.

<hr />

Tiberio, S.S., Capaldi, D.M., Kerr, D.C.R., Bertrand, M., Pears, K.C., &amp; Owen, L. (2016). Parenting and the development of effortful control from early childhood to early adolescence: A transactional developmental model. Developmental Psychopathology 28(3), 837-853.

<hr />

Zero to Three (2016). Tuning in: National parent survey report. Author. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/1425-national-parent-survey-report" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/1425-national-parent-survey-report</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/cps]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">eac2f7b1-8ec6-49a7-a256-876290f8133d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/eac2f7b1-8ec6-49a7-a256-876290f8133d.mp3" length="58863369" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>126</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>126</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/02e2fb78-9c73-4136-960b-b57f13b66663/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting</title><itunes:title>SYPM 009: How to Set Boundaries in Parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[My guest for this episode is life coach and reparenting expert Xavier Dagba, who is here to discuss the topic of boundaries in parenting.

&nbsp;

We don't tend to learn much about having boundaries when we're young, because our culture teaches that children shouldn't really need or have them (and those of us who are using respectful parenting approaches are working against the tide here).  This then translates to us not knowing how to set boundaries as adults, and feeling 'walked all over' - without fully understanding why, or what to do about it.

&nbsp;

We also talk about the limit between boundaries and limits, an important distinction as we interact with our children.

&nbsp;

If you need more support in setting limits that your child will respect (and using far fewer of them than you might ever have thought possible - while still having your boundaries respected!), sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Other resources from this episode:</strong></h3>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.</a><a href="https://www.xavierdagba.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Xavier's website</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/xavier.dagba/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Follow Xavier on Instagram</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[My guest for this episode is life coach and reparenting expert Xavier Dagba, who is here to discuss the topic of boundaries in parenting.

&nbsp;

We don't tend to learn much about having boundaries when we're young, because our culture teaches that children shouldn't really need or have them (and those of us who are using respectful parenting approaches are working against the tide here).  This then translates to us not knowing how to set boundaries as adults, and feeling 'walked all over' - without fully understanding why, or what to do about it.

&nbsp;

We also talk about the limit between boundaries and limits, an important distinction as we interact with our children.

&nbsp;

If you need more support in setting limits that your child will respect (and using far fewer of them than you might ever have thought possible - while still having your boundaries respected!), sign up for the Setting Loving (&amp; Effective!) Limits workshop.

&nbsp;

Click the banner to learn more.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/settinglimits"></a>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Other resources from this episode:</strong></h3>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.</a><a href="https://www.xavierdagba.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Xavier's website</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/xavier.dagba/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Follow Xavier on Instagram</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/boundaries]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2f15db9f-833f-42dc-9582-c610def511f9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2f15db9f-833f-42dc-9582-c610def511f9.mp3" length="51315669" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/214e7223-ffff-4551-b879-9fa8cafc4b38/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>125: Should you worry about technoference?</title><itunes:title>125: Should you worry about technoference?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I often hear two related ideas about adults' screen usage around children. Sometimes the parent asking the question guiltily confesses to using screens around their children more than they would like, and to using screens as a momentary escape from the demands of parenting.

Or the parent asking the question feels that they have found a sense of balance in their own screen usage, but worries about their partner who frequently ignores their child because they're so focused on a screen.

In this episode we interview a luminary in the field of research related to children and screen usage: <a href="https://www.mottchildren.org/profile/4195/jenny-stillwaggon-radesky-md">Dr. Jenny Radesky</a>, who is a Developmental Behavioral Pediatrician and Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Michigan Medical School.  Her research interests include the use of mobile technology by parents and young children, and how this relates to child self-regulation and parent-child interaction, and she was the lead author of the <a href="https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/138/5/e20162591">2016 American Academy of Pediatrics policy statement on digital media use in early childhood</a>.

We'll learn whether you should be worried about Technoference, and some judgement-free steps you can take to navigate your (or your partner's) screen usage around your child.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

Click the banner to learn more. Join the waitlist to get notified when doors reopen in May 2025.

&nbsp;

<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmebership"></a>

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<strong>Jen</strong> 00:03

Hi, I’m Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you’d like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you’ll join us.

<strong>Jen </strong>01:00

Hello, everyone. Before we get into the topic of today's new episode, I wanted to let you know about my special Black Friday promotion that I have running now through midnight, Pacific time on Friday, November 27th. For this limited time, I'm offering access to my parenting membership for only $25 a month, and to my supporting your child's learning membership for only $35 a month. Now those of you who know me, and the show might be kind of surprised to hear me running a Black Friday promotion. After all, I get complaints about my left-leaning, anti-capitalist stance all the time. And I thought it would be doubly amusing to talk about this before an episode on technoference, which is when technology like our smartphones interferes with our relationships, because I imagine a number of you are planning technology related purchases for the holidays.

<strong>Jen </strong>01:43

But I decided to do this for two reasons. Firstly, I know these memberships can help you. I've seen so many parents transform their approach to parenting and get confident in supporting their child's love of learning through the memberships. And secondly, we're in a year when people are looking for holiday gifts that just don't involve bringing more stuff into our homes, and that also can't involve going out to museums and other places that may well be closed. And the parenting membership can really help you go from just hanging on to actually thriving in parenting. And the learning membership will help you make the best use of your time that you're already spending with your children to support their intrinsic love of learning. And third, things are completely aligned with my values. If you miss the Black Friday promotion, they will still be time to enroll at the regular rate starting on December 1st and we'll dive into the content as a group on January 1st. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com to learn more and enroll today.

<strong>Jen </strong>02:42

Now, whether you take advantage of the Black Friday promotion, or you enroll in December, I believe in helping as many families as possible, and I've tried to make even the regular rates accessible to everyone. I'm confident that anyone who joins and learns the material that I'll make easily accessible for you will support learning and development in their children, find parenting easier, and lay the groundwork for transformational change at home. I want to read you a bit of a message that member Catherine wrote to me about her experience in the parenting membership. So, Catherine says, "the membership has really allowed me to hone in on the doing the concrete actions I want to take and move from the endless swirl of ideas to actually implementing the ones that are based on my values. It's allowed me to stop waiting for perfection when I figured out how to do it all and focus instead on progress. It just really hits the nail on the head of what I need to know. The most recent module we covered on our sense of ourselves as parents has allowed me to perceive so much differently in my day to day life and take in what I'm learning elsewhere in a different way. I've gained so much clarity even in the last week, and noticed a palpable difference in my sense of calm and in my acceptance of my children, my husband, and others with whom I interact in relation to my children."

<strong>Jen </strong>04:01

So, in my parenting membership, you'll lean on a research-based approach to support your child's development, while making parenting easier. This membership is for children aged around 18 months through the end of elementary school, regardless of where you are in your parenting journey: from the parent who's just trying to survive to the parent who's looking to the future. Your first year in the parenting membership is now only $25 a month through Black Friday, November 27th. In my supporting your child's learning membership, you'll learn how to best support your child's intrinsic love of learning. Most of us want this for our children, but we don't know how and even more how we interact with our children often actually works against this goal. This membership is for parents with children old enough to ask questions through the end of elementary school and who want to set the stage for a lifetime love of learning.

<strong>Jen </strong>04:52

Ginelle joined the membership because she wanted to support her children's love of learning, but the only way she knew how to do that was to do what school does. To teach them stuff they needed to know. Through the membership Ginelle has learned that she doesn't have to teach for her child to learn. In fact, some of the most powerful learning happens when we just model for our child. Ginelle found that one simple mindset shift has really made a huge difference in her ability to support her child's learning. She says, "Most notably, I find I'm answering my children's questions in a more open way. Sometimes this is with another question. Other times, it might just be a more vague, open-ended answer. It's a change that sounds so basic and common sense when I think about it now, but I needed that extra bump from the membership to actually make me realize it and apply it."

<strong>Jen </strong>05:41

Special Black Friday pricing for my supporting your child's learning membership is now only $35 a month through midnight Pacific on Black Friday, which is November 27th, and we get started on January 1st. Both of the memberships include all of the information that you need, and none of the fluff that you don't to achieve the easy joy-filled family life that you worked so hard for, but which may seem so out of reach right now. And both memberships include support and community so you can make that next tiny step that you need to take to help you reach your goals. Go to YourParentingMojo.com today to take advantage of these special Black Friday offers the parenting membership for only $25 a month, and the supporting your child's learning membership for only $35 a month. Support your child's learning and development while making parenting easier, perhaps the best gift you could give to your family this holiday season. Thanks again for listening. I hope the rest of your year is filled with joy and activities that are truly meaningful in your life.

<strong>Jen </strong>06:42

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I've had our topic today on my mind for a while and over the last few months I think it's become more relevant than it ever has been before. And the topic we're going to talk about today is technoference and that's the idea that technology, and specifically mobile phones, interferes with relationships that we have with other people. It can interfere with relationships of all kinds and your might first rest on your partner, and how you perceive your partner's phone use interfering with your relationship, and we'll certainly touch on that. But our primary focus for today will be on how our phones interfere with our relationships...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I often hear two related ideas about adults' screen usage around children. Sometimes the parent asking the question guiltily confesses to using screens around their children more than they would like, and to using screens as a momentary escape from the demands of parenting.

Or the parent asking the question feels that they have found a sense of balance in their own screen usage, but worries about their partner who frequently ignores their child because they're so focused on a screen.

In this episode we interview a luminary in the field of research related to children and screen usage: <a href="https://www.mottchildren.org/profile/4195/jenny-stillwaggon-radesky-md">Dr. Jenny Radesky</a>, who is a Developmental Behavioral Pediatrician and Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Michigan Medical School.  Her research interests include the use of mobile technology by parents and young children, and how this relates to child self-regulation and parent-child interaction, and she was the lead author of the <a href="https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/138/5/e20162591">2016 American Academy of Pediatrics policy statement on digital media use in early childhood</a>.

We'll learn whether you should be worried about Technoference, and some judgement-free steps you can take to navigate your (or your partner's) screen usage around your child.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 00:03

Hi, I’m Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you’d like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you’ll join us.

<strong>Jen </strong>01:00

Hello, everyone. Before we get into the topic of today's new episode, I wanted to let you know about my special Black Friday promotion that I have running now through midnight, Pacific time on Friday, November 27th. For this limited time, I'm offering access to my parenting membership for only $25 a month, and to my supporting your child's learning membership for only $35 a month. Now those of you who know me, and the show might be kind of surprised to hear me running a Black Friday promotion. After all, I get complaints about my left-leaning, anti-capitalist stance all the time. And I thought it would be doubly amusing to talk about this before an episode on technoference, which is when technology like our smartphones interferes with our relationships, because I imagine a number of you are planning technology related purchases for the holidays.

<strong>Jen </strong>01:43

But I decided to do this for two reasons. Firstly, I know these memberships can help you. I've seen so many parents transform their approach to parenting and get confident in supporting their child's love of learning through the memberships. And secondly, we're in a year when people are looking for holiday gifts that just don't involve bringing more stuff into our homes, and that also can't involve going out to museums and other places that may well be closed. And the parenting membership can really help you go from just hanging on to actually thriving in parenting. And the learning membership will help you make the best use of your time that you're already spending with your children to support their intrinsic love of learning. And third, things are completely aligned with my values. If you miss the Black Friday promotion, they will still be time to enroll at the regular rate starting on December 1st and we'll dive into the content as a group on January 1st. Just go to YourParentingMojo.com to learn more and enroll today.

<strong>Jen </strong>02:42

Now, whether you take advantage of the Black Friday promotion, or you enroll in December, I believe in helping as many families as possible, and I've tried to make even the regular rates accessible to everyone. I'm confident that anyone who joins and learns the material that I'll make easily accessible for you will support learning and development in their children, find parenting easier, and lay the groundwork for transformational change at home. I want to read you a bit of a message that member Catherine wrote to me about her experience in the parenting membership. So, Catherine says, "the membership has really allowed me to hone in on the doing the concrete actions I want to take and move from the endless swirl of ideas to actually implementing the ones that are based on my values. It's allowed me to stop waiting for perfection when I figured out how to do it all and focus instead on progress. It just really hits the nail on the head of what I need to know. The most recent module we covered on our sense of ourselves as parents has allowed me to perceive so much differently in my day to day life and take in what I'm learning elsewhere in a different way. I've gained so much clarity even in the last week, and noticed a palpable difference in my sense of calm and in my acceptance of my children, my husband, and others with whom I interact in relation to my children."

<strong>Jen </strong>04:01

So, in my parenting membership, you'll lean on a research-based approach to support your child's development, while making parenting easier. This membership is for children aged around 18 months through the end of elementary school, regardless of where you are in your parenting journey: from the parent who's just trying to survive to the parent who's looking to the future. Your first year in the parenting membership is now only $25 a month through Black Friday, November 27th. In my supporting your child's learning membership, you'll learn how to best support your child's intrinsic love of learning. Most of us want this for our children, but we don't know how and even more how we interact with our children often actually works against this goal. This membership is for parents with children old enough to ask questions through the end of elementary school and who want to set the stage for a lifetime love of learning.

<strong>Jen </strong>04:52

Ginelle joined the membership because she wanted to support her children's love of learning, but the only way she knew how to do that was to do what school does. To teach them stuff they needed to know. Through the membership Ginelle has learned that she doesn't have to teach for her child to learn. In fact, some of the most powerful learning happens when we just model for our child. Ginelle found that one simple mindset shift has really made a huge difference in her ability to support her child's learning. She says, "Most notably, I find I'm answering my children's questions in a more open way. Sometimes this is with another question. Other times, it might just be a more vague, open-ended answer. It's a change that sounds so basic and common sense when I think about it now, but I needed that extra bump from the membership to actually make me realize it and apply it."

<strong>Jen </strong>05:41

Special Black Friday pricing for my supporting your child's learning membership is now only $35 a month through midnight Pacific on Black Friday, which is November 27th, and we get started on January 1st. Both of the memberships include all of the information that you need, and none of the fluff that you don't to achieve the easy joy-filled family life that you worked so hard for, but which may seem so out of reach right now. And both memberships include support and community so you can make that next tiny step that you need to take to help you reach your goals. Go to YourParentingMojo.com today to take advantage of these special Black Friday offers the parenting membership for only $25 a month, and the supporting your child's learning membership for only $35 a month. Support your child's learning and development while making parenting easier, perhaps the best gift you could give to your family this holiday season. Thanks again for listening. I hope the rest of your year is filled with joy and activities that are truly meaningful in your life.

<strong>Jen </strong>06:42

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I've had our topic today on my mind for a while and over the last few months I think it's become more relevant than it ever has been before. And the topic we're going to talk about today is technoference and that's the idea that technology, and specifically mobile phones, interferes with relationships that we have with other people. It can interfere with relationships of all kinds and your might first rest on your partner, and how you perceive your partner's phone use interfering with your relationship, and we'll certainly touch on that. But our primary focus for today will be on how our phones interfere with our relationships with our children. We'll learn how concerned we should really be about this and what we should try and do to balance our own needs for connectedness with others and our children's need for connectedness with us.

<strong>Jen </strong>07:33

And so here to discuss this today with us is Dr. Jenny Radesky. Dr. Radesky is a developmental behavioral pediatrician and assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Michigan Medical School. Dr. Radesky obtained her MD from Harvard Medical School. Conducted her pediatrics residency at the University of Washington, and then a fellowship in developmental behavioral pediatrics at Boston University. She's board certified in pediatrics and developmental behavioral pediatrics. Her research interests include the use of mobile technology by parents and young children, and how this relates to child self-regulation and parent child interaction. She was the lead author of the 2016 American Academy of pediatrics policy statement on digital media use in early childhood.

<strong>Jen </strong>08:15

Welcome, Dr. Radesky.

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>08:16

Hi, thanks so much for having me.

<strong>Jen </strong>08:19

Okay, so let's start kind of where we often do when we're coming to a topic like this, which is with some definitions and terminology. And I actually learned a new word while I was researching this episode, which is fubbing. So, I'm wondering, can you help us understand what is technoference? What is fubbing? Is it the same thing? Or is it different?

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>08:38

It's pretty similar. I mean, the term fubbing was in the research literature first, as I was starting to try to research how parents phone use influences family dynamics. It was like 2010-2011, and I was in my fellowship, and I was scouring the literature for any prior research on parents and kids and technology. And there wasn't much there was really just this fubbing phenomenon, which was how a mobile phone inserts itself into an interpersonal space and the, you know, the person who is doing the fubbing kind of gets a little bit transported to, you know, another virtual space where they're interacting with someone else, or with other content. And then the fubbee gets, you know, often the research is showing they're frustrated. And this term started even when mobile phones were just little dumb phones, you know, with texting capabilities. And the mobile communications research was really just interested in, now we could take these devices everywhere, you know, they were focused on using technology on mass transit, or at mealtimes, or during other times that normally had a bit of a boundary around it when it came to technologies.

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>09:53

So technoference was a term developed by my co-author and collaborator Brandon McDaniel. He's a psychologist Who's that Parkview Research Center in Indiana. So, he gets the credit for that term. But he coined that term in trying to capture a research measure that's not just about how much is the parent using technology or how much is the child using technology, but what's happening with the relationship? And so, it became a questionnaire asking parents about on a typical day, you know, how many devices are you using when you're interacting with your child?

<strong>Jen </strong>10:27

Yeah. And so, what I found was myself, it was kind of thinking about technoference in terms of the relationship. And then I just wanted to find fubbing, it's this portmanteau of phone and snubbing stuck together. But I found the idea of the fubber and the fubbee to be useful to distinguish who's on which end of that relationship as well.

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>10:49

Yeah, and I think there's been some interesting ethnographic research where people have interviewed families to talk about how it feels when your spouse or partner is doing the fubbing, especially when it's just a high stress time in your household, or, you know, someone has to change a diaper, and all of a sudden your partner is absorbed in their phone. And so that, you know, negative connotation that comes with the term snubbing has even more layers, when it comes to parents who are taking care of a young child, which is just such, you know, has many different sources of stress in it to begin. Many different issues around co-parenting and role overload. And I'm interested in early childhood, mostly because it's such a time of building resilience. When kids are facing adversity, or stressful times, like a pandemic, secure relationships are a huge buffer to that stress, or are a way that kids make meaning of stressful times build emotion regulation, you know, so that's why I kind of put my interest in technology that started when I was in Seattle, you know, I was in Seattle in like 2007-2011, which is like, just the time that the iPhone and all these devices were coming out. And I was like, this is fascinating, you know, dynamics are changing so much in our hospital in our offices.

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>12:07

So, I took that with my interest in early childhood relationships. And that's where my first study in the fast-food restaurants came from because I was like, I just want to observe what's happening here. I don't want to come in with preconceived hypotheses or notions about this is bad, this is good. I want to observe, take field notes, like I'm an anthropologist, and just see the patterns of what's happening. And that study wound up getting so much press attention, because there was already this societal kind of concern. Like, every time there's new technologies introduced, the society gets a bit anxious, they feel uncomfortable, they feel disrupted. This has happened extremely rapidly, you know, the way that we've adopted these new technologies is so much faster than the way radio or telephones were adopted. So I was a fellow at the time and getting interviewed, you know, by like The Today Show or Al Jazeera America, and I was like, wow, people are really concerned about this, I need to be aware of the fact that this is a hot topic that's going to polarize that's going to kind of have some implicit judgement in it, too. And that's where my research, you know, on this topic started.

<strong>Jen </strong>13:16

Okay. So I wonder if we can go into that a little bit, then because I think a lot of the research that had been conducted to that point on fubbing, as it was known until then, was sort of done by asking people, how much do you use your phone? And then the fubbee, how much does it annoy you when somebody uses your phone, when they use their phone in front of you? And your methodology, it was the first time I'd seen it in the literature in this, you know, to be used in this way. And it's been replicated a whole bunch of times in different environments since then. So, can you tell us what did you do? And then what did you see when you're sitting in these restaurants?

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>13:50

Yeah. And it took me a while to land on this study design, actually. So, we thought about creating a survey. And that's what a lot of the fubbing research had been on but I was really worried that a survey would have too much what we call social desirability bias in research, and I also knew that the way that we interact with phones is more intermittent or immersive. I knew there was that cultural overlay of judgement of parents about it. So, I didn't want to, you know, create a survey that could possibly be biased, I wanted objective data. So, objective meaning you can kind of observe it and count it and see what's happening without the parent being self-conscious that they're being judged.

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>14:35

So, we decided on public observations, this has been done to look at how parents discipline their kids in public. It's been done to look at how, you know, people interact with public spaces. And it's considered ethical because we didn't collect any identifiable data. We didn't write down any child names, but the participants didn't know we were watching. It's you know, it's called nonparticipant observation because you go and you blend in with the surroundings. So myself and two research assistants just went to all these fast-food restaurants in Boston, in the spring and summer of 2013. I was like pregnant as can be with my second son. And we were taking field notes. So, we would bring a laptop and some books and act like we were just, you know, drinking an iced coffee and taking field notes.

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>15:24

We tried to go to sampled around different neighborhoods in Boston that had higher income, lower income, you know, Panera to Chipotle a to McDonald's. And we just took these long winded, continuous notes of like, 'Mom picks up phone, it's held about 10 inches from her face, you know, child is eating French fry.' So boring. But when we read these field notes over and over, we were just seeing patterns and themes of behavior that emerged. The biggest theme was absorption, we called it, which is a term that's been used before, but it was really this idea that the parents gaze and attention and it looked like a lot of their cognitive energy was on the phone, not on the child. We were looking a lot, not just for the negative, we were looking for times when parents and kids were sharing media and laughing over it, we saw that like four times, out of 55 families. We saw, you know, about a third of families who used phones were had this absorption where there was very little conversation. Kids would sometimes act up to get their attention. You know, we saw one child who tried to pull his mom's face up from her iPad, and she yelled at him and pushed him away, or another mom that kind of, you know, nudged her or kicked her kids under the table when they were, you know, acting up and trying to get her attention.

<strong>Dr. Radesky </strong>16:42

And none...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/technoference]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6d426a1a-6bd5-480f-bb57-cd579ed28873</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/88f6bcbf-b20d-43af-816b-d563e6aa10b2/your-parenting-mojo-technoference-final.mp3" length="71450038" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>SYPM 008: Fostering Positive Sibling Relationships with Future Focused Parenting</title><itunes:title>SYPM 008: Future Focused Parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Sibling relationships can be SO HARD!  Sometimes it might seem that we can't leave them alone for even a second before they're at each other's throats, and on top of this we see their struggles and are reminded of the struggles that we had with our own siblings so many years ago.  This can cause us to overreact in the moment, even when we know it's not helping the situation.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/siblings/">I discussed some of the reasons behind sibling squabbles a couple of years ago in a conversation with Dr. Susan McHale of Penn State University</a>.  In today's episode we build on this knowledge by discussing some super practical tools to help parents foster positive sibling relationships.
<p data-key="12"><span data-key="13">In this Sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode I talk with Kira Dorrian and Deana Thayer of Future Focused Parenting, who host the Raising Adults podcast. The parents of seven children between them, including a set of twins and five in a blended family, Kira and Deana know their way around sibling squabbles. </span></p>
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<p data-key="14"><span data-key="15">We discuss ways to stop being the person who always has to moderate every disagreement and instead equip our children with the skills they need to find solutions to their own problems.</span></p>
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<p data-key="14">02:37 Laying the foundation of possible sibling relationships by Daena Thayer.</p>
04:35 Sibling relationship is the first peer relationship by Kira Dorrian.

05:53 How to prepare your kids for sibling rivalry?

12:02 Problem solving with children.

15:28 Teaching your child active listening.

20:01 Doing what’s best, not the easiest.

23:23 Problem solving in school.

25:55 How to deal with conflict as children grow older.

30:52 Social exclusion in schools and the calendar of character traits.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Sibling relationships can be SO HARD!  Sometimes it might seem that we can't leave them alone for even a second before they're at each other's throats, and on top of this we see their struggles and are reminded of the struggles that we had with our own siblings so many years ago.  This can cause us to overreact in the moment, even when we know it's not helping the situation.

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/siblings/">I discussed some of the reasons behind sibling squabbles a couple of years ago in a conversation with Dr. Susan McHale of Penn State University</a>.  In today's episode we build on this knowledge by discussing some super practical tools to help parents foster positive sibling relationships.
<p data-key="12"><span data-key="13">In this Sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode I talk with Kira Dorrian and Deana Thayer of Future Focused Parenting, who host the Raising Adults podcast. The parents of seven children between them, including a set of twins and five in a blended family, Kira and Deana know their way around sibling squabbles. </span></p>
&nbsp;
<p data-key="14"><span data-key="15">We discuss ways to stop being the person who always has to moderate every disagreement and instead equip our children with the skills they need to find solutions to their own problems.</span></p>
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<p data-key="14"><strong>Jump to highlights:</strong></p>
<p data-key="14">02:37 Laying the foundation of possible sibling relationships by Daena Thayer.</p>
04:35 Sibling relationship is the first peer relationship by Kira Dorrian.

05:53 How to prepare your kids for sibling rivalry?

12:02 Problem solving with children.

15:28 Teaching your child active listening.

20:01 Doing what’s best, not the easiest.

23:23 Problem solving in school.

25:55 How to deal with conflict as children grow older.

30:52 Social exclusion in schools and the calendar of character traits.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/futurefocused]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d440070c-2a06-4563-a496-de936dd32876</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/31f9428f-d4a2-417f-9eb0-2a9a05524542/sharing-your-parenting-mojo-future-focused-parenting-final.mp3" length="41159491" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/55ca58ad-62f9-48d7-bcc7-56e41dd2b9ee/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>124: The Art of Holding Space</title><itunes:title>124: The Art of Holding Space</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p style="font-weight: 400">If you’ve been a parent for a while, or maybe even if you haven’t, you probably saw an article on Holding Space making the rounds of online communities a few years ago.  In the article the author, Heather Plett, describes how she and her siblings were able to hold space for their dying mother in her final days because a palliative care nurse held space for them.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400">The article outlined some principles of holding space, and I think it really resonated with a lot of people – possibly because so many of us wish we had been held in that way, and we find ourselves trying to hold space for others in that way without a lot of guidance or support.</p>
<span style="font-weight: 400">I kept that article in the back of my mind, and last year I took Heather’s 9-month in-depth course on holding space, and she’s just released a book called The art of holding space: A practice of love, liberation, and leadership.  In this episode we discuss what it means to hold space for others as parents, and how to raise our children to be able to hold space for others.</span>

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<strong>Links mentioned in the episode</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3ayKwBh">The Art of Holding Space: A Practice of Love, Liberation, and Leadership</a> (Affiliate link).

<a href="https://centreforholdingspace.com/">The Centre for Holding Space Website</a>

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:03

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. If you've been a parent for a while, or maybe even if you haven't, you probably saw an article on holding space making the rounds of online communities a few years ago. In the article the author Heather Plett describes the death of her mother and how she and her siblings were able to hold space for her mother, because a palliative care nurse was holding space for them. The article outlines some principles of holding space. And I think it really resonated with a lot of people possibly because so many of us wish that we had been held in the way that in that way. And we find ourselves trying to hold space for others in that way without a lot of guidance and support.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>01:38

And so, I kept that article in the back of my mind. And then last year, I took Heather's nine-month in depth course on holding space. And she's just released a book called The Art of Holding Space: A Practice of Love, Liberation and Leadership that she's here with us to discuss today. Welcome, Heather.

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>01:52

Thank you, Jen. It's good to be here.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:55

And we should mention we were just chatting beforehand. Heather was mentioning her voice is a little raspy today because she's in the middle of recording the book for the audio edition. So that should hopefully be available very soon. And I also just want to mention before we get started that we may mentioned today, some topics that might be difficult for some people to listen to. These could include the topics of suicide and stillbirth. And so, we're not going to delve deeply into them. But if you're in a place where you would find hearing about these topics, any more than I just mentioned them any disturbing to you in any way, you might want to consider listening at a time when you feel well resourced, or perhaps with a friend.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>02:29

So that said, Heather, I wonder if you could start by getting us on the same page, and maybe just helping us to understand what does it mean to hold space for someone?

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<strong>Heather  </strong>02:38

Well, holding space is really what we do when we show up for somebody without trying to control the outcome of whatever they're going through, without placing our judgement on them or projecting our own narrative on them. It's really trying to hold them in a way that is fully supportive of the journey that they're going on and giving them the autonomy to be going through their own journey.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:01

Okay, and so you describe that as structure, kind of three nested bowls, right? Can you help us to picture those bowls and what that's made of?

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>03:10

Sure. So, I've been evolving this concept of being the bowl for people and being the bowl is really about supporting somebody through their liminal space, I talk a lot about liminal space as the journey they're going through. And they're in transformation, really, between some old story and a new story. And in the middle of that they need some kind of containment, some support, as they kind of deconstruct their old narrative, and get ready to evolve into the new narrative. And so, the bowl really evolved as the primary metaphor kind of for explaining that. And I've developed this three-layered bowl, initially, it was just one layer, but with time, and the more I taught it, I recognize them, some other qualities were needed. So, in the three layers, and the inside is what you're offering to the person, you're holding space, and there's a number of qualities there. And then what guides you your kind of internal guidance system of what's guiding how you hold space. And then what supports you is the outer layer of the bowl.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>04:10

Okay, and what are some of the really key characteristics of maybe we'll start with the internal layer, and then move to the external layers as we continue the conversation. And so, what are some of those key characteristics of that inner layer?

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>04:22

Well, some of those things are compassion and connection is really offering you know, love and compassion to the other person. There's also selective guidance. And I use the qualifier selective in front of some of these quite intentionally because I want to really help people understand that it's, it's not giving them tons of guidance, but it's being using your discernment to pick only the little pieces of guidance that they need. You mentioned the palliative care nurse, for example. And she came with a little bit of guidance to help us understand the process of mum's dying really is what we were supporting. And she just gave us you know, one or two handouts kind of and a little bit of information, she didn't walk in with a whole textbook full of guidance on what to expect when a person's dying because that would have overwhelmed us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>05:10

And then there's also things like selective nonjudgement. And there's another one where I added the word selective in front of. Initially, I was talking about nonjudgement but then I realized there are times when we do need to use our judgement, we need some discernment. For example, if someone comes to us and tells us they've been breaking the law, well, we need a little bit of judgement to support them and making a wise decision to turn themselves into authorities or make reparations for whatever they've done. So, and that's where we come to kind of the middle layer of the bowl. The middle layer is where we're discernment lies, making those good decisions, and intuition using our intuition to sense what's needed in that moment.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>05:52

Okay. And I was just thinking, as you're talking about the idea of offering some support, but not everything that you know about a subject. I think that's so critical in so many aspects of relationships, and even teaching that I've always remembered one of the most effective lectures I ever attended in my undergrad career was it, it was a guest lecture by someone who was talking about schistosomiasis disease, that's, I remember the basics of it. But it was, you know, passed on to people through a worm infection. And he kind of gave us just the amount that we needed to know. And then the Q&amp;A at the end, it became clear that the depth of his knowledge on this topic was incredible. And he had so deliberately curated exactly what we needed to know and didn't attempt to tell us 'Well, everything I know' about schistosomiasis. And it seems as though that kind of resonates with your experience with the palliative care nurse, and she knew so much.

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>06:48

Absolutely

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:48

And she also knew what you needed.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>06:49

Yeah, very much so. And this is where really, the practice, I talk a lot of in my book, and in my work about learning to hold space for yourself, because when we're in that position of holding space for another person, we have to hold ourselves back, sometimes we have to, you know, soothe ourselves so that we won't project our own stuff on to the other person. And you know, and that requires holding back some of our wisdom, because we may know really, really well we've been through the situation they're in, etc. But...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="font-weight: 400">If you’ve been a parent for a while, or maybe even if you haven’t, you probably saw an article on Holding Space making the rounds of online communities a few years ago.  In the article the author, Heather Plett, describes how she and her siblings were able to hold space for their dying mother in her final days because a palliative care nurse held space for them.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400">The article outlined some principles of holding space, and I think it really resonated with a lot of people – possibly because so many of us wish we had been held in that way, and we find ourselves trying to hold space for others in that way without a lot of guidance or support.</p>
<span style="font-weight: 400">I kept that article in the back of my mind, and last year I took Heather’s 9-month in-depth course on holding space, and she’s just released a book called The art of holding space: A practice of love, liberation, and leadership.  In this episode we discuss what it means to hold space for others as parents, and how to raise our children to be able to hold space for others.</span>

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<strong>Links mentioned in the episode</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3ayKwBh">The Art of Holding Space: A Practice of Love, Liberation, and Leadership</a> (Affiliate link).

<a href="https://centreforholdingspace.com/">The Centre for Holding Space Website</a>

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:03

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. If you've been a parent for a while, or maybe even if you haven't, you probably saw an article on holding space making the rounds of online communities a few years ago. In the article the author Heather Plett describes the death of her mother and how she and her siblings were able to hold space for her mother, because a palliative care nurse was holding space for them. The article outlines some principles of holding space. And I think it really resonated with a lot of people possibly because so many of us wish that we had been held in the way that in that way. And we find ourselves trying to hold space for others in that way without a lot of guidance and support.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:38

And so, I kept that article in the back of my mind. And then last year, I took Heather's nine-month in depth course on holding space. And she's just released a book called The Art of Holding Space: A Practice of Love, Liberation and Leadership that she's here with us to discuss today. Welcome, Heather.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>01:52

Thank you, Jen. It's good to be here.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:55

And we should mention we were just chatting beforehand. Heather was mentioning her voice is a little raspy today because she's in the middle of recording the book for the audio edition. So that should hopefully be available very soon. And I also just want to mention before we get started that we may mentioned today, some topics that might be difficult for some people to listen to. These could include the topics of suicide and stillbirth. And so, we're not going to delve deeply into them. But if you're in a place where you would find hearing about these topics, any more than I just mentioned them any disturbing to you in any way, you might want to consider listening at a time when you feel well resourced, or perhaps with a friend.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:29

So that said, Heather, I wonder if you could start by getting us on the same page, and maybe just helping us to understand what does it mean to hold space for someone?

&nbsp;



&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>02:38

Well, holding space is really what we do when we show up for somebody without trying to control the outcome of whatever they're going through, without placing our judgement on them or projecting our own narrative on them. It's really trying to hold them in a way that is fully supportive of the journey that they're going on and giving them the autonomy to be going through their own journey.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:01

Okay, and so you describe that as structure, kind of three nested bowls, right? Can you help us to picture those bowls and what that's made of?

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>03:10

Sure. So, I've been evolving this concept of being the bowl for people and being the bowl is really about supporting somebody through their liminal space, I talk a lot about liminal space as the journey they're going through. And they're in transformation, really, between some old story and a new story. And in the middle of that they need some kind of containment, some support, as they kind of deconstruct their old narrative, and get ready to evolve into the new narrative. And so, the bowl really evolved as the primary metaphor kind of for explaining that. And I've developed this three-layered bowl, initially, it was just one layer, but with time, and the more I taught it, I recognize them, some other qualities were needed. So, in the three layers, and the inside is what you're offering to the person, you're holding space, and there's a number of qualities there. And then what guides you your kind of internal guidance system of what's guiding how you hold space. And then what supports you is the outer layer of the bowl.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>04:10

Okay, and what are some of the really key characteristics of maybe we'll start with the internal layer, and then move to the external layers as we continue the conversation. And so, what are some of those key characteristics of that inner layer?

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>04:22

Well, some of those things are compassion and connection is really offering you know, love and compassion to the other person. There's also selective guidance. And I use the qualifier selective in front of some of these quite intentionally because I want to really help people understand that it's, it's not giving them tons of guidance, but it's being using your discernment to pick only the little pieces of guidance that they need. You mentioned the palliative care nurse, for example. And she came with a little bit of guidance to help us understand the process of mum's dying really is what we were supporting. And she just gave us you know, one or two handouts kind of and a little bit of information, she didn't walk in with a whole textbook full of guidance on what to expect when a person's dying because that would have overwhelmed us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Heather  </strong>05:10

And then there's also things like selective nonjudgement. And there's another one where I added the word selective in front of. Initially, I was talking about nonjudgement but then I realized there are times when we do need to use our judgement, we need some discernment. For example, if someone comes to us and tells us they've been breaking the law, well, we need a little bit of judgement to support them and making a wise decision to turn themselves into authorities or make reparations for whatever they've done. So, and that's where we come to kind of the middle layer of the bowl. The middle layer is where we're discernment lies, making those good decisions, and intuition using our intuition to sense what's needed in that moment.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:52

Okay. And I was just thinking, as you're talking about the idea of offering some support, but not everything that you know about a subject. I think that's so critical in so many aspects of relationships, and even teaching that I've always remembered one of the most effective lectures I ever attended in my undergrad career was it, it was a guest lecture by someone who was talking about schistosomiasis disease, that's, I remember the basics of it. But it was, you know, passed on to people through a worm infection. And he kind of gave us just the amount that we needed to know. And then the Q&amp;A at the end, it became clear that the depth of his knowledge on this topic was incredible. And he had so deliberately curated exactly what we needed to know and didn't attempt to tell us 'Well, everything I know' about schistosomiasis. And it seems as though that kind of resonates with your experience with the palliative care nurse, and she knew so much.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>06:48

Absolutely

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:48

And she also knew what you needed.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>06:49

Yeah, very much so. And this is where really, the practice, I talk a lot of in my book, and in my work about learning to hold space for yourself, because when we're in that position of holding space for another person, we have to hold ourselves back, sometimes we have to, you know, soothe ourselves so that we won't project our own stuff on to the other person. And you know, and that requires holding back some of our wisdom, because we may know really, really well we've been through the situation they're in, etc. But that's not what they need at that moment. Because if I dump all this knowledge on them, there's a good chance they'll feel a little bit of shame for not knowing as much as we do, they'll feel that you're superior to them or whatever, it's going to turn into a less helpful situation for that person. So like you say, just offering and even sometimes asking what they need, like telling them I do you know, I have some experience in this, would you like to hear from my experience, or just holding back and letting them have their emotional experience first and then saying, you know, once you're ready for it, let's talk a little bit more, I have a few things I'd love to share with you.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>07:58

So, it's using that quality of discernment and caution around not coming in with a dump truck full of knowledge and dumping it on.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>08:06

Right. And so, I want to get back to something that you mentioned very early on in that definition. And that's the concept of liminal space, which is really central to this. Can you just tease apart a little bit? What is liminal space? And what kinds of situations is that refer to?

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<strong>Heather  </strong>08:23

Yeah, so liminal space, it comes from anthropology and in anthropology, there's a term "Limin" which means the space in between. And really what they, the way they started using this term, and defining it was when they were researching cultures, where they would have rituals around some transition points in a person's life. For example, if somebody was coming of age, a young person was emerging into adulthood, they were researching these rituals at these transition points. And notice the threshold ritual was really important part of the ritual was the space between the old story and the new story. So it wasn't just a crossing directly to the new story, that the ritual would include them going into the woods for a vision quest, for example, or going away for some silent time or there was something that marks that time, because there really is this space of emptiness in between what once was and what will be. And the metaphor that I've really adopted for this is the process of the caterpillar turning into the butterfly, because in between, it doesn't go directly from caterpillar to butterfly, it has to go through this chrysalis stage, which is a really, it deconstructs into this messy, this gel apparently inside the chrysalis. And that's kind of reminiscent of what we do when we are transitioning and that it's very vast what this can imply to. It could be when your children are moving away from home or it could be when you're giving birth or changing a job or getting a divorce or there's so many different liminal spaces. I think right now we're kind of globally in this liminal space that the pandemic has kind of thrust on us. We're in between, you know, what we used to know as reality and what we don't yet know and understand.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>10:13

Yeah. And just the breadth of the kinds of circumstances you just described. I mean, this is something that's prevalent throughout our lives. And I was really surprised to see that you quoted in the book and surprised and interested, I guess, that you quoted Franciscan friar and author Richard Rohr, and he described liminal space, I'm going to read his quote, "When you've left the tried and true, but have not yet been able to replace it with anything else. It's when you are finally out of the way. It's when you are between your old comfort zone and any possible new answer. It is no fun." And it's that last part, it is no fun. I was so struck by that because change is the one constant thing in our lives. It's the only thing that we can be sure of. And yet we get so hung up on this search for stability in the search for holding things comfortable and stable. And it's just impossible to do. And I'm wondering, why haven't we developed better skills for dealing with liminal spaces? And I guess implicit in that is the question, why do so many of us learn about this concept through your viral blog posts? And not because this is something that is just handed down to us as a part of our culture?

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<strong>Heather  </strong>11:23

That's a really good question. And I wish I knew a succinct answer for it. I think there's a lot of layers, I think that there's this human nature to just want things cleaned up and not messy. And so, we look for the cleaned-up version of our lives we've created it's really cultural, though, too, especially in Western cultures, I find. I've travelled a fair bit in more developing countries where they were their messiness upfront. Like they don't hide it the way that we do. But we've developed this cultural value around perfectionism around you know, not showing our messes. We don't invite people into our homes when they're messy, we clean up our front yards, I was wrestling this weekend, for example, with my environmentalist daughter wants me to leave the leaves on the grass because it's more environmentally friendly. But I'm noticing my next two neighbors have both cleaned theirs, raked theirs clean...

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<strong>Jen  </strong>12:17

Oh, cause the line.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>12:19

Exactly, I'm wrestling with being the messy yard. And this is the cultural value that we have about being, you know, showing our best front. And I think there's many layers to that, I think some of it is our capitalist culture, we can always buy more comfort, we can always buy more ease, we can buy things to replace the broken things in our lives. And, you know, to some degree, capitalism in the marketing system around it has helped foster that in our culture, because we always need to buy more to replace things and to fill our void, etc. We're not supposed to have uncomfortable lives, we're supposed to buy the newest and most comfortable and, you know, etc. thing and so. So, there's so many layers of complexity. And when I think about even in our classrooms in our school, like, when our kids are in high school, we're pressuring them, what are they going to be when they grow up?

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<strong>Jen  </strong>13:12

In high school? My daughter is getting questions and she's six.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>13:16

They're supposed to have their lives planned out for them. Yeah, like, yeah, it's really kind of ridiculous that we're not talking to them at that stage, about the complexities of life and about how they're going to have to learn to be resilient and weather the storms, and it's not just going to be an easy path to some magical career and this, you know, happy family.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>13:38

Yeah. And it just a couple of points to pull out further and what you said, I'm just thinking of funerals in other countries where, I mean, people are just exposing the rawness of their soul. And funerals here in western countries. I mean, it's very buttoned up and I might escape and maybe there would be a little bit of crying, but you got to keep it. You got to keep that locked down, right?

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<strong>Heather  </strong>14:02

Yeah, no. And we, with my parents have passed, and we tried to do things a little bit counterculturally, actually. And you refer to the palliative care nurse who was there supporting us with mom dying. And one of the things she said, for example, is that you can keep your mom's body in the home as long as you want. You don't have to call the funeral home right away. And it's funny, but that was a surprise to us. Like we just had this assumption that you got to clean up the body right away. And we've built those kinds of, and so we didn't call right away. We kept her body there and let her like her sister and significant family members come and sit with her before we called the funeral home and also with my dad, when he passed, my brother really wanted to be the one to cover the coffin with the dirt shoveled the dirt onto the coffin. And for the rest of us, it felt, oh, that's not something the family should be doing. You know, there's this just this weird cultural, and yet we chose to do it and it turned out to be really, really meaningful practice as a family to do this. So, yeah, we have to mess with convention sometimes to be in the mess of the complexity of life.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>15:10

Yeah. And what you said about your mom and you don't have to call a funeral home right away reminded me of when my daughter was born. And you know, the accepted way is okay, immediately after she's born, she gets whisked away and weighed and checks and all the rest of it. And it was the doula that we hired that said, you know what, you don't have to do that you can request some time before that is done. And so, we did that. And that was such a special memory to me of that period of time when I mean, that's an incredibly profound liminal space in many women's lives.

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<strong>Heather  </strong>15:39

Yeah.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>15:41

And then just, we've talked a little bit about death and I also want to make the point that liminal spaces can happen with changes that we might traditionally think to be positive as well like a new job that you've hoped for over a long period of time. And maybe it puts you in a different role related to people in a different way. And that changes how they see you and how you see them and what you're doing. And it seems as though that's a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/holdingspace]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3e317e38-a49c-465a-b1cf-a37666ef0da0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d6157923-4be5-4242-ab3d-5a038ad1d238/your-parenting-mojo-holding-space-final.mp3" length="64624242" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:51</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>123: Maternal Ambivalence: What it is, and what to do about it</title><itunes:title>123: Maternal Ambivalence</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Parenting brings unconditional love and fulfillment, but what happens when those feelings mix with frustration, exhaustion, and even regret?

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In this episode, I speak with Dr. Sarah LaChance Adams, expert in feminist philosophy and maternal ethics, to explore maternal ambivalence - those complex, conflicting emotions many parents experience but rarely discuss openly. Dr. Adams is the author of <em>Mad mothers, bad mothers, and what a "Good" mother would do: The ethics of ambivalence.</em>

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<h2>What Is Maternal Ambivalence?</h2>
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As Dr. LaChance Adams explains, drawing from Adrienne Rich's heartbreaking and beautiful description: "<strong>Maternal ambivalence is having extreme emotional conflict in one's feelings towards one's children</strong> - dealing with intense love and sometimes intense hate, the needs to be very intimate and close to one's children, but also to have a sense that one needs distance."

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This complex experience involves both wanting to be near your child and sometimes feeling an urgent need to "get as far as one can from one's child." What makes maternal ambivalence particularly complicated is that it's not just about feelings toward a separate being. There's also a profound sense of self-estrangement because mothers often feel their children are integral to their own identity. As Dr. LaChance Adams notes, "In this sense of struggle, she's also in a struggle with herself and who she feels she is most intimately and deeply."

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This episode builds on our recent conversations with Dr. Moira Mikolajczak on<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/burnout/"> Parental Burnout</a> and with Dr. Susan Pollak on<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/"> Self-Compassion</a>, exploring how we can love our children dearly while feeling torn between that love and our parental role that often requires putting our own needs aside.

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<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Is it normal to feel love and resentment toward my child at the same time?
</strong>The podcast breaks down what maternal ambivalence means. It's a back-and-forth feeling between deep love and occasional resentment that many mothers feel but rarely talk about. Dr. LaChance Adams explains why these opposite feelings happen together and why they're a normal part of being a parent. You'll also learn how accepting these feelings might make your relationship with your child stronger.

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<strong>How do gender, race, and socioeconomic status shape the experience of maternal ambivalence?
</strong>The episode looks at how maternal ambivalence might be different based on your background. It questions whether this is mainly "a middle-class, white phenomenon." We explore Bell Hooks' view that motherhood wasn't seen as the main obstacle for Black women historically. These mixed feelings may show up differently across racial and economic groups.

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<strong>How does societal pressure shape maternal ambivalence?
</strong>The episode explains why our society makes these mixed feelings seem shameful instead of normal. Speaking up about them could change how you parent.

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<strong>What role do cultural expectations and intensive parenting play in shaping parental guilt?</strong>We discuss how society's view of total motherly devotion can become "twisted" and hurt both mothers and children. Modern parenting culture expects mothers to always put their children first, at the cost of their own identity. Listen to understand why you might feel guilty and what you can do about it.

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<strong>How can parents navigate these conflicting emotions in a healthy way?
</strong>The episode provides both big-picture and personal strategies for dealing with maternal ambivalence. We build on earlier episodes about parental burnout and self-compassion. Discover practical ways to accept all your parenting feelings without shame. These mixed feelings don't have to create guilt and shame. They can form the foundation of a close connection with your child.

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<h2>What you’ll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>Discover why maternal ambivalence creates an emotional tug-of-war that goes beyond occasional frustration
</strong>Maternal ambivalence isn't just feeling tired or annoyed sometimes—it's that deep emotional conflict where you love your child intensely while simultaneously feeling overwhelmed or even resentful. Dr. LaChance Adams explains this powerful contradiction many mothers experience, where you might desperately want your child's bedtime to arrive while also missing them terribly once they're asleep. The podcast dives into why these opposing feelings create such inner turmoil for parents and how understanding this tension is the first step toward parenting with greater peace and authenticity.

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<strong>We unpack the impact of impossible standards on parental identity and self-worth
</strong>When society expects perfect motherhood—always patient, always present, always fulfilled by caregiving—it creates a crushing weight on parents' mental health. The episode explores how these unrealistic expectations force many mothers to put their needs "on the back burner," leading to a gradual loss of identity. You'll learn how intensive parenting culture undermines parents' confidence, why the undervaluing of caregiving work affects how mothers see themselves, and practical ways to rebuild your sense of self while still being the parent your child needs.

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<strong>Learn how maternal ambivalence looks different across parents from different backgrounds
</strong>The podcast examines Bell Hooks' important insight that for Black women historically, "motherhood would not have been named a serious obstacle to our freedom"—unlike how it's often framed in white, middle-class discussions. You'll discover how factors like race, economic status, and cultural background shape how parents experience and express these mixed feelings about parenthood. The episode challenges the one-size-fits-all approach to understanding parental emotions and offers perspectives that may better reflect your own unique experience.

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<strong>Discover why parents often keep these mixed feelings hidden and how this silence makes things worse.
</strong>When mothers in online groups admit they're struggling with parenthood, they're often met with judgment instead of support. The podcast explores why this silencing happens and why breaking this silence is actually the solution. You'll learn how shame around maternal ambivalence creates a dangerous cycle that increases parental stress and guilt, and how honest conversations about these normal feelings can create supportive communities where real parenting challenges can be addressed together.

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<strong>Move past the limiting idea that self-care is just about "being a better parent."
</strong>The episode challenges the common message that mothers should take care of themselves only so they can be "better parents." Instead, it explores how mothers deserve to maintain their identity and meet their needs simply because they are human beings with inherent worth beyond their parenting role. You'll discover a more empowering approach to balancing your needs with your child's, practical ways to reclaim parts of yourself that parenting has pushed aside, and how this authentic approach actually creates healthier parent-child relationships in the long run.

&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. LaChance Adams’ books:</h2>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://cup.columbia.edu/book/mad-mothers-bad-mothers-and-what-a-good-mother-would-do/9780231166744">Mad Mothers, Bad Mothers, and What a ‘Good’ Mother Would Do: The Ethics of Ambivalence</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://demeterpress.org/books/the-maternal-tug-ambivalence-identity-and-agency/">The Maternal Tug: Ambivalence, Identity and Agency </a></li>
</ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>Links to resources and ideas discussed in this episode:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="http://www.newwrites.com/about">Nikesha Elise Williams</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://observer.com/2017/02/garbage-artist-this-show-is-a-welcome-blast-from-conceptual-arts-past/">Mierle Laderman Ukeles</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/">Hegel’s Dialectic / Speculative Method</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://previous.focusing.org/gendlin_befindlichkeit.html">Martin Heidegger’s concept of Befindlichkeit / “how you find yourself in the world”</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/merleau-ponty/">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></li>
</ul><br/>
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05:03 Maternal ambivalence is, having extreme emotional conflict in one’s feelings towards my [one’s] children. Dealing with intense love and sometimes intense hate, the needs to be very intimate and close to one’s children or one’s child, but also to have a sense that one needs to get distance to have strong feelings.

08:34 I’m thinking about Bell Hooks’ work, and she had said, “but had Black women voiced their own views on motherhood, it would not have been named a serious obstacle to our freedom as women, racism, availability of jobs, lack of skills, or education would have been top of the list, but not motherhood.” I’m wondering, is maternal ambivalence a middle-class, White phenomenon? Or do you see it in other places as well?

11:27 If a woman lives in a culture where there’s an intense romanticization of the mother-child relationship, and she feels that she can’t express any kind of conflicted emotion at all. And then when you have these things piling on top of each other, then you start to see it gets more and more and more intensified. The more these things compound, the less a woman is able to reflect on these emotions, think about them, share them get relief, get that kind of...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Parenting brings unconditional love and fulfillment, but what happens when those feelings mix with frustration, exhaustion, and even regret?

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In this episode, I speak with Dr. Sarah LaChance Adams, expert in feminist philosophy and maternal ethics, to explore maternal ambivalence - those complex, conflicting emotions many parents experience but rarely discuss openly. Dr. Adams is the author of <em>Mad mothers, bad mothers, and what a "Good" mother would do: The ethics of ambivalence.</em>

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<h2>What Is Maternal Ambivalence?</h2>
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As Dr. LaChance Adams explains, drawing from Adrienne Rich's heartbreaking and beautiful description: "<strong>Maternal ambivalence is having extreme emotional conflict in one's feelings towards one's children</strong> - dealing with intense love and sometimes intense hate, the needs to be very intimate and close to one's children, but also to have a sense that one needs distance."

&nbsp;

This complex experience involves both wanting to be near your child and sometimes feeling an urgent need to "get as far as one can from one's child." What makes maternal ambivalence particularly complicated is that it's not just about feelings toward a separate being. There's also a profound sense of self-estrangement because mothers often feel their children are integral to their own identity. As Dr. LaChance Adams notes, "In this sense of struggle, she's also in a struggle with herself and who she feels she is most intimately and deeply."

&nbsp;

This episode builds on our recent conversations with Dr. Moira Mikolajczak on<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/burnout/"> Parental Burnout</a> and with Dr. Susan Pollak on<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/selfcompassion/"> Self-Compassion</a>, exploring how we can love our children dearly while feeling torn between that love and our parental role that often requires putting our own needs aside.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>Is it normal to feel love and resentment toward my child at the same time?
</strong>The podcast breaks down what maternal ambivalence means. It's a back-and-forth feeling between deep love and occasional resentment that many mothers feel but rarely talk about. Dr. LaChance Adams explains why these opposite feelings happen together and why they're a normal part of being a parent. You'll also learn how accepting these feelings might make your relationship with your child stronger.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do gender, race, and socioeconomic status shape the experience of maternal ambivalence?
</strong>The episode looks at how maternal ambivalence might be different based on your background. It questions whether this is mainly "a middle-class, white phenomenon." We explore Bell Hooks' view that motherhood wasn't seen as the main obstacle for Black women historically. These mixed feelings may show up differently across racial and economic groups.

&nbsp;

<strong>How does societal pressure shape maternal ambivalence?
</strong>The episode explains why our society makes these mixed feelings seem shameful instead of normal. Speaking up about them could change how you parent.

&nbsp;

<strong>What role do cultural expectations and intensive parenting play in shaping parental guilt?</strong>We discuss how society's view of total motherly devotion can become "twisted" and hurt both mothers and children. Modern parenting culture expects mothers to always put their children first, at the cost of their own identity. Listen to understand why you might feel guilty and what you can do about it.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can parents navigate these conflicting emotions in a healthy way?
</strong>The episode provides both big-picture and personal strategies for dealing with maternal ambivalence. We build on earlier episodes about parental burnout and self-compassion. Discover practical ways to accept all your parenting feelings without shame. These mixed feelings don't have to create guilt and shame. They can form the foundation of a close connection with your child.

<strong> </strong>
<h2>What you’ll learn in this episode</h2>
<strong>Discover why maternal ambivalence creates an emotional tug-of-war that goes beyond occasional frustration
</strong>Maternal ambivalence isn't just feeling tired or annoyed sometimes—it's that deep emotional conflict where you love your child intensely while simultaneously feeling overwhelmed or even resentful. Dr. LaChance Adams explains this powerful contradiction many mothers experience, where you might desperately want your child's bedtime to arrive while also missing them terribly once they're asleep. The podcast dives into why these opposing feelings create such inner turmoil for parents and how understanding this tension is the first step toward parenting with greater peace and authenticity.

&nbsp;

<strong>We unpack the impact of impossible standards on parental identity and self-worth
</strong>When society expects perfect motherhood—always patient, always present, always fulfilled by caregiving—it creates a crushing weight on parents' mental health. The episode explores how these unrealistic expectations force many mothers to put their needs "on the back burner," leading to a gradual loss of identity. You'll learn how intensive parenting culture undermines parents' confidence, why the undervaluing of caregiving work affects how mothers see themselves, and practical ways to rebuild your sense of self while still being the parent your child needs.

&nbsp;

<strong>Learn how maternal ambivalence looks different across parents from different backgrounds
</strong>The podcast examines Bell Hooks' important insight that for Black women historically, "motherhood would not have been named a serious obstacle to our freedom"—unlike how it's often framed in white, middle-class discussions. You'll discover how factors like race, economic status, and cultural background shape how parents experience and express these mixed feelings about parenthood. The episode challenges the one-size-fits-all approach to understanding parental emotions and offers perspectives that may better reflect your own unique experience.

&nbsp;

<strong>Discover why parents often keep these mixed feelings hidden and how this silence makes things worse.
</strong>When mothers in online groups admit they're struggling with parenthood, they're often met with judgment instead of support. The podcast explores why this silencing happens and why breaking this silence is actually the solution. You'll learn how shame around maternal ambivalence creates a dangerous cycle that increases parental stress and guilt, and how honest conversations about these normal feelings can create supportive communities where real parenting challenges can be addressed together.

&nbsp;

<strong>Move past the limiting idea that self-care is just about "being a better parent."
</strong>The episode challenges the common message that mothers should take care of themselves only so they can be "better parents." Instead, it explores how mothers deserve to maintain their identity and meet their needs simply because they are human beings with inherent worth beyond their parenting role. You'll discover a more empowering approach to balancing your needs with your child's, practical ways to reclaim parts of yourself that parenting has pushed aside, and how this authentic approach actually creates healthier parent-child relationships in the long run.

&nbsp;
<h2>Dr. LaChance Adams’ books:</h2>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://cup.columbia.edu/book/mad-mothers-bad-mothers-and-what-a-good-mother-would-do/9780231166744">Mad Mothers, Bad Mothers, and What a ‘Good’ Mother Would Do: The Ethics of Ambivalence</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://demeterpress.org/books/the-maternal-tug-ambivalence-identity-and-agency/">The Maternal Tug: Ambivalence, Identity and Agency </a></li>
</ul><br/>
<strong> </strong>

<strong>Links to resources and ideas discussed in this episode:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="http://www.newwrites.com/about">Nikesha Elise Williams</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://observer.com/2017/02/garbage-artist-this-show-is-a-welcome-blast-from-conceptual-arts-past/">Mierle Laderman Ukeles</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/">Hegel’s Dialectic / Speculative Method</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://previous.focusing.org/gendlin_befindlichkeit.html">Martin Heidegger’s concept of Befindlichkeit / “how you find yourself in the world”</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/merleau-ponty/">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

05:03 Maternal ambivalence is, having extreme emotional conflict in one’s feelings towards my [one’s] children. Dealing with intense love and sometimes intense hate, the needs to be very intimate and close to one’s children or one’s child, but also to have a sense that one needs to get distance to have strong feelings.

08:34 I’m thinking about Bell Hooks’ work, and she had said, “but had Black women voiced their own views on motherhood, it would not have been named a serious obstacle to our freedom as women, racism, availability of jobs, lack of skills, or education would have been top of the list, but not motherhood.” I’m wondering, is maternal ambivalence a middle-class, White phenomenon? Or do you see it in other places as well?

11:27 If a woman lives in a culture where there’s an intense romanticization of the mother-child relationship, and she feels that she can’t express any kind of conflicted emotion at all. And then when you have these things piling on top of each other, then you start to see it gets more and more and more intensified. The more these things compound, the less a woman is able to reflect on these emotions, think about them, share them get relief, get that kind of distance that the feelings are telling her.

15:41 The idea that maybe, just maybe, this whole guilt thing and the whole ambivalence thing is a product of our culture, where, on one hand, women are required to be these productive citizens who contribute to the capitalist economy, and on the other hand, were supposed to give our all to our child and mother intensively.

18:34 One thing I want to really draw out here is the idea that women ourselves are very often the ones that police this. It’s sort of like patriarchy, it’s not just men saying, well, this is your role, and this is what you’re going to do. Women are just as responsible for the socialization of this idea.

20:54 “How could you say that you don’t love being a mother at every moment?” And I think I mean, you’re already stating the solution, you know, we have these brave women coming forward, saying that they don’t always love it.

29:18 She [Simone de Beauvoir] writes about devotion and the devotion of the mother, and how this can be a very twisted thing and how, oftentimes, mother’s devotion is really something that can be very awful for herself and her child because it can be a replacement for her having anything else in her life. And it can become a sort of twisted obligation for both of them. And, you know, a sort of martyrdom…

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Collins, Patricia Hill. 1993. The meaning of motherhood in Black culture and Black mother–daughter relationships. In Double stitch: Black women write about mothers and daughters, ed. Patricia Bell-Scott, Beverly Guy-Sheftall, Jacqueline Jones Royster, Janet Sims-Wood, Miriam DeCosta-Willis, and Lucie Fultz. New York: Harper Perennial.

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Gubi, P.M. &amp; Chapman, E. (2019). An exploration of the ways in which feelings of ‘maternal ambivalence affect some women. Crisis and Loss. Retreived from: <a href="https://chesterrep.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10034/622560/Full%20text%20Maternal%20Ambivalence%20research%20paper.pdf?sequence=3">https://chesterrep.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10034/622560/Full%20text%20Maternal%20Ambivalence%20research%20paper.pdf?sequence=3</a>

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Henderson, S. (2018). The blurring effect: An exploration of maternal instinct and ambivalence. Unpublished Master of Arts by Research thesis, Kent, UK: University of Kent. Retrieved from: <a href="https://kar.kent.ac.uk/66794/1/211The%20Blurring%20Effect%20An%20Exploration%20of%20Maternal%20Instinct%20and%20Ambivalence.pdf">https://kar.kent.ac.uk/66794/1/211The%20Blurring%20Effect%20An%20Exploration%20of%20Maternal%20Instinct%20and%20Ambivalence.pdf</a>

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Henderson, A., Harmon, S., &amp; Newman, H. (2016). The price mothers pay, even when they are not buying it: Mental health consequence of idealized motherhood. Sex Roles 74, 512-526.

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hooks, bell. 1990. Homeplace: A site of resistance. In Yearning: Race, gender, and cultural politics. Boston: South End Books.

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LaChance Adams, S. (2014). Mad mothers, bad mothers, &amp; what a ‘good’ mother would do: The ethics of ambivalence. New York, NY: Columbia University Press.

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LaCance Adams, S., Cassidy, T., &amp; Hogan, S. (Eds). The maternal tug: Ambivalence, identity, and agency. Branford, ON: Demeter.

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Newman, H.D., &amp; Henderon, A.C. (2014). The modern mystique: Institutional mediation of hegemonic motherhood. Sociological Inquiry 84(3), 472-491.

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Rich, A. (1994). Of woman born: Motherhood as an experience and institution. New York, NY: Norton.

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Takseva, T. (2017). Mother love, maternal ambivalence, and the possibility of empowered mothering. Hypatia 32(1), 152-168.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/maternalambivalence]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">87db2ff8-6072-4b93-b4e8-c2429bc2e3ff</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/17ea0fb4-48f9-4b35-b36e-15fde315df5d/your-parenting-mojo-maternal-ambivalence.mp3" length="50902750" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:01</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>123</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>123</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/89643f3e-003e-4d79-b120-b178c82aa49d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>122: Self-Compassion for Parents</title><itunes:title>122: Self-Compassion for Parents</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this episode, Dr. Susan Pollak helps us to apply mindfulness skills to our relationships with our children so we can parent in line with our values, rather than just reacting when our children push our buttons.

You'll learn:
<ul>
 	<li>What's the point of mindfulness, and does it matter if we bring our full attention and presence to diaper changes?</li>
 	<li>Why we're so hard on ourselves, even when we always try to be kind to others</li>
 	<li>Some concrete tools to use when you interact with your children TODAY in those moments when it seems like everything is falling apart.</li>
</ul><br/>
Dr. Pollak is a psychologist in private practice in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She is a long-time student of meditation and yoga who has been integrating the practices of meditation into psychotherapy since the 1980s.

Dr. Pollak is cofounder and teacher at the Center for mindfulness and Compassion at Harvard Medical School and the Cambridge Health Alliance, and has just stepped down as President of the Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy, a position which she held since 2010. She also writes regularly for Psychology today on the topic of integrating mindfulness into daily life.

&nbsp;

<strong>Book mentioned in the episode:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yUKNrQ">Self-Compassion for Parents: Nurture Your Child by Caring for Yourself</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
<strong>Other episodes related to this topic:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/burnout/">Parental Burn-Out</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/self/">No Self, No Problem</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compassion/">Helping children to develop compassion</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/patriarchy/">Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/mindfulmama/">Mindfulness tools with Mindful Mama Hunter Clarke-Fields</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Some key points from the interview:</strong>

(04:08) Many of us, present company included, we're not raised to be kind to ourselves.

(10:47) Mindful self-compassion acknowledges that we need to start with mindfulness. (I've been teaching this course for over a decade, and I've seen that) a lot of people just can't start with compassion because it's foreign for most of us to treat ourselves kindly.

(53:59) Allow yourself to rest for a moment feeling that you have distance from the storm, some space from the turbulence to recognize that you are not the storm. (paraphrased)

(59:03) It's such a common misconception about mindfulness that you have to sit still and not think about anything. And, you know, people are relieved to know that [mindfulness] is not about stopping our thoughts. It's really about finding a different relationship with our thoughts.
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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">00:03</span>

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:00</span>

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. In this episode, we're going to draw threads together from across a number of recent episodes. Most obviously it picks up on our interview with Dr. Moira Mikolajczak where we discuss parental burnout. After that episode concluded Dr. Mikolajczak and I emailed a bit about tools that could potentially help parents, and the primary one that she found useful was the idea of self-compassion. And that's what we're going to discuss today. This topic also picks up on our conversation with Dr. Chris Niebauer about the stories that our left brain tells us by giving us some concrete strategies on how to do that. And it builds on a conversation we had about three years ago with Dr. Brendan Ozawa-de Silva on the topic of compassion. We also touch on issues related to patriarchy and go deeper into some of the mindfulness tools that Hunter Clark-Fields shared with us recently.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:50</span>

And here to do all of this with us is Dr. Susan Pollak, who is a psychologist in private practice in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She is a longtime student of meditation and yoga and has been integrating the practices of meditation into psychotherapy since the 1980s. Dr. Pollack is cofounder and teacher at the Center for Mindfulness and Compassion at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, and has just stepped down as President of the Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy, a position that she held since 2010. She also writes regularly for Psychology Today on the topic of integrating mindfulness into daily life. Welcome, Dr. Pollack.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">02:24</span>

Thanks, Jen. It's a pleasure to be with you.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">02:28</span>

So, we're going to talk a lot about your book. Because it's on the topic of Self-Compassion for Parents. And one thing that I really liked as I was reading through your book, is the idea that it isn't a manual for self-compassion. It doesn't teach you step by step what self-compassion is, and then how to apply it. I loved what Dr. Chris Germer said in your foreword and he said, I'm going to quote, "The book connects with the direct experience of parenting through detailed examples, personal anecdotes, and elegant exercises to transform parenting struggles through the tools of mindfulness and self-compassion." So that said, we're definitely going to be digging into some more of those things for as we go today, but I'm wondering if we could start by having you help us to understand what is compassion. And from there, what is self-compassion, and also this idea of mindful self-compassion that I know is really important to your work?

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">03:21</span>

Okay, and let me first just respond to your kind words, because my feeling is, there's no recipe for parenting. And I know you're a parent. I am a parent of two kids. And as of just a week ago, a grandmother,

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">03:39</span>

Congratulations!

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">03:40</span>

Thanks! So, I think it's really important for your listeners to, to realize that one size doesn't fit all.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">03:49</span>

Yeah.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">03:50</span>

You know, I'm not going to be able to give you a recipe for how to be the perfect, compassionate, mindful parent, you know, you have to figure out what works for you, and what works for your kids.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">04:07</span>

Yeah.

[caption id="attachment_6394" align="aligncenter" width="1024"] Many of us, present company included, we're not raised to be kind to ourselves.[/caption]

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">04:08</span>

So that said, let me jump into just some really workable definitions. And let me tell you, I really don't like psychological jargon. So, let me speak in English. So, one way to understand compassion is to really look at the root of the word, which is Latin, and it means to suffer with. Okay, so that's kind of theoretical, what it means in real life, is to really see somebody and to connect with their pain, or the difficulty they're having. So self-compassion, and this is a pretty radical concept, is learning to be kind to yourself. Again, it's that simple. So many of us, present company included, we're not raised to be kind to ourselves. So, it can feel weird, awkward, foreign, like "What? Be kind to myself? No, no, I have to push myself. I have to drive myself. What are you talking about?" So, for me, that concept of being kind to myself felt foreign. And, again, an easy way to think about it is, when you're having a hard time, think about what you say to yourself. And I don't know if your inner language is like my inner language, but to be very self-disclosing. I used to say, "Oh, Susan, that was stupid." Or "Oh, Susan, you're an idiot." or "Oh, how could you have said that?" You know, "You've really blew that." So, it was this constant soundtrack of criticizing myself.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">05:56</span>

But think also, what you might say, if a friend told you that for someone you really cared about that she had done, or he had done something similar to what you did. And you probably wouldn't say to your friend, "Oh, John, that was so stupid. I can't imagine you said that. How could you have done that? What were you thinking? What is wrong with you? You are such a loser?" Well, I mean if you said that to a friend, you probably wouldn't have many friends. Okay, so we, we do know how to respond kindly. You would probably say, "Look, John, you know, you're human, we all screw up, you know, everyone is a parent..."...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Dr. Susan Pollak helps us to apply mindfulness skills to our relationships with our children so we can parent in line with our values, rather than just reacting when our children push our buttons.

You'll learn:
<ul>
 	<li>What's the point of mindfulness, and does it matter if we bring our full attention and presence to diaper changes?</li>
 	<li>Why we're so hard on ourselves, even when we always try to be kind to others</li>
 	<li>Some concrete tools to use when you interact with your children TODAY in those moments when it seems like everything is falling apart.</li>
</ul><br/>
Dr. Pollak is a psychologist in private practice in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She is a long-time student of meditation and yoga who has been integrating the practices of meditation into psychotherapy since the 1980s.

Dr. Pollak is cofounder and teacher at the Center for mindfulness and Compassion at Harvard Medical School and the Cambridge Health Alliance, and has just stepped down as President of the Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy, a position which she held since 2010. She also writes regularly for Psychology today on the topic of integrating mindfulness into daily life.

&nbsp;

<strong>Book mentioned in the episode:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yUKNrQ">Self-Compassion for Parents: Nurture Your Child by Caring for Yourself</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
<strong>Other episodes related to this topic:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/burnout/">Parental Burn-Out</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/self/">No Self, No Problem</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compassion/">Helping children to develop compassion</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/patriarchy/">Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/mindfulmama/">Mindfulness tools with Mindful Mama Hunter Clarke-Fields</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Some key points from the interview:</strong>

(04:08) Many of us, present company included, we're not raised to be kind to ourselves.

(10:47) Mindful self-compassion acknowledges that we need to start with mindfulness. (I've been teaching this course for over a decade, and I've seen that) a lot of people just can't start with compassion because it's foreign for most of us to treat ourselves kindly.

(53:59) Allow yourself to rest for a moment feeling that you have distance from the storm, some space from the turbulence to recognize that you are not the storm. (paraphrased)

(59:03) It's such a common misconception about mindfulness that you have to sit still and not think about anything. And, you know, people are relieved to know that [mindfulness] is not about stopping our thoughts. It's really about finding a different relationship with our thoughts.
<div></div>
[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">00:03</span>

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:00</span>

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. In this episode, we're going to draw threads together from across a number of recent episodes. Most obviously it picks up on our interview with Dr. Moira Mikolajczak where we discuss parental burnout. After that episode concluded Dr. Mikolajczak and I emailed a bit about tools that could potentially help parents, and the primary one that she found useful was the idea of self-compassion. And that's what we're going to discuss today. This topic also picks up on our conversation with Dr. Chris Niebauer about the stories that our left brain tells us by giving us some concrete strategies on how to do that. And it builds on a conversation we had about three years ago with Dr. Brendan Ozawa-de Silva on the topic of compassion. We also touch on issues related to patriarchy and go deeper into some of the mindfulness tools that Hunter Clark-Fields shared with us recently.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:50</span>

And here to do all of this with us is Dr. Susan Pollak, who is a psychologist in private practice in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She is a longtime student of meditation and yoga and has been integrating the practices of meditation into psychotherapy since the 1980s. Dr. Pollack is cofounder and teacher at the Center for Mindfulness and Compassion at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, and has just stepped down as President of the Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy, a position that she held since 2010. She also writes regularly for Psychology Today on the topic of integrating mindfulness into daily life. Welcome, Dr. Pollack.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">02:24</span>

Thanks, Jen. It's a pleasure to be with you.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">02:28</span>

So, we're going to talk a lot about your book. Because it's on the topic of Self-Compassion for Parents. And one thing that I really liked as I was reading through your book, is the idea that it isn't a manual for self-compassion. It doesn't teach you step by step what self-compassion is, and then how to apply it. I loved what Dr. Chris Germer said in your foreword and he said, I'm going to quote, "The book connects with the direct experience of parenting through detailed examples, personal anecdotes, and elegant exercises to transform parenting struggles through the tools of mindfulness and self-compassion." So that said, we're definitely going to be digging into some more of those things for as we go today, but I'm wondering if we could start by having you help us to understand what is compassion. And from there, what is self-compassion, and also this idea of mindful self-compassion that I know is really important to your work?

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">03:21</span>

Okay, and let me first just respond to your kind words, because my feeling is, there's no recipe for parenting. And I know you're a parent. I am a parent of two kids. And as of just a week ago, a grandmother,

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">03:39</span>

Congratulations!

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">03:40</span>

Thanks! So, I think it's really important for your listeners to, to realize that one size doesn't fit all.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">03:49</span>

Yeah.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">03:50</span>

You know, I'm not going to be able to give you a recipe for how to be the perfect, compassionate, mindful parent, you know, you have to figure out what works for you, and what works for your kids.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">04:07</span>

Yeah.

[caption id="attachment_6394" align="aligncenter" width="1024"] Many of us, present company included, we're not raised to be kind to ourselves.[/caption]

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">04:08</span>

So that said, let me jump into just some really workable definitions. And let me tell you, I really don't like psychological jargon. So, let me speak in English. So, one way to understand compassion is to really look at the root of the word, which is Latin, and it means to suffer with. Okay, so that's kind of theoretical, what it means in real life, is to really see somebody and to connect with their pain, or the difficulty they're having. So self-compassion, and this is a pretty radical concept, is learning to be kind to yourself. Again, it's that simple. So many of us, present company included, we're not raised to be kind to ourselves. So, it can feel weird, awkward, foreign, like "What? Be kind to myself? No, no, I have to push myself. I have to drive myself. What are you talking about?" So, for me, that concept of being kind to myself felt foreign. And, again, an easy way to think about it is, when you're having a hard time, think about what you say to yourself. And I don't know if your inner language is like my inner language, but to be very self-disclosing. I used to say, "Oh, Susan, that was stupid." Or "Oh, Susan, you're an idiot." or "Oh, how could you have said that?" You know, "You've really blew that." So, it was this constant soundtrack of criticizing myself.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">05:56</span>

But think also, what you might say, if a friend told you that for someone you really cared about that she had done, or he had done something similar to what you did. And you probably wouldn't say to your friend, "Oh, John, that was so stupid. I can't imagine you said that. How could you have done that? What were you thinking? What is wrong with you? You are such a loser?" Well, I mean if you said that to a friend, you probably wouldn't have many friends. Okay, so we, we do know how to respond kindly. You would probably say, "Look, John, you know, you're human, we all screw up, you know, everyone is a parent..." Let me just kind of stick to the topic of parenting here. Everyone is a parent has really bad days, you know, that book that I've loved Alexander and that No Good, Terrible, Awful Day. I mean, we as parents have those terrible, no good awful days. But you know how nice it would be. If you could say to yourself, "Jen, that was just a really rough day, we all have it, it happens. You know, don't beat yourself up, that's not going to solve the problem. Let's move on here." Or even better with the child, okay, let's make a repair. You know, let's say sorry, gee, mommy really lost it. Or, you know, I used to say, with my kids, when I was having a hard time, "Oops, mommy hit the roof there." You know, let's take a time out or a time in to repair. Okay, so that's our definition of compassion.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">07:47</span>

And actually, if I could pause just there for a second, as you were saying, I wasn't raised with this way of thinking. It made me realize none of us were. And it seems to me is it though it's, I mean, it's coming from this Protestant work ethic, right that if you work hard enough, you will be able to achieve and if you're not working hard enough, that's probably why you're not achieving. And so, the only thing to do is self-flagellate and work harder.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">08:11</span>

Exactly. And supposedly, I know, you're also interested in culture and cross culture, real issues, supposedly, in other countries. There isn't as much self-loathing and self-flagellation because I remember hearing the story, where the Dalai Lama's translator was asking, translating questions like, Okay, so what are we supposed to do if we hate ourselves? And he'd say, "What?"

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">08:40</span>

"What do you mean?"

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">08:41</span>

What do you mean, if we hate ourselves, and the translator and the Dalai Lama went back and forth, back and forth. This is how the story is recounted, and he had the hardest time understanding why people would hate themselves, why there was such loathing. But I am with you both in terms of the Protestant work ethic and also patriarchy, like, yes, you know, you have to drive yourself, okay, you can't be lazy, you can't slack off. And I think that's where those, that inner critic comes from, like, Oh, you screwed up, you idiot. What is wrong with you? So anyway, just to touch on the importance with those three definitions. The other thing I want to draw on in terms of compassion, and this, I know you're a research geek as well. So, this will probably interest you. One of the pieces of research when they're looking at in fMRI brain scan of what happens with the brain on compassion is it seems to activate the motor neurons. So, compassion is tied to action. And I remember when I was writing the book, I tried to use this headline saying compassion is a verb, because it's active. And of course, the editor being an editor said, No, it's not. So anyway, so I'd let that go. But if we can think of compassion is active, you know, basically, how can you respond? How can you tune in to what that person might need or what that child might need? Or what you might need in the moment? That is really the essence of what a compassionate and self-compassionate response is.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">10:38</span>

Okay.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">10:39</span>

Now do you still want a definition of mindfulness.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">10:42</span>

That would be awesome. Yeah. And is, specifically the mindful self-compassion. Yeah.

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[caption id="attachment_6393" align="aligncenter" width="1024"]<img class="size-large wp-image-6393" src="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Untitled-design-14-1024x493.jpg" alt="Text on a page with the word kindness highlighted in pink." width="1024" height="493" /> A lot of people just can't start with compassion. It's foreign, for most of us to treat ourselves kindly.[/caption]

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">10:47</span>

Okay. So, what happened in terms of the mindful self-compassion, and I love to give credit where credit is due. Kristin Neff was really the first researcher to do research on compassion, in 2003, had begun to write a number of essays and articles, framing this new construct that she called self-compassion. My friend and colleague, Chris Grimmer, who wrote the foreword of the book. thought, "Whoa, this is really important." And also, I need this. And, you know, so many, we know, Neil. And they connected and put together this program. And I know you will have references to their books, and the eight-week course and their books on self-compassion. So mindful self-compassion, acknowledges that we need to start with mindfulness. And I've been teaching this course for over a decade, a lot of people just can't start with compassion, again, going back to what I was saying, in that it's foreign, for most of us to treat ourselves kindly. But it seems that if we start with the foundation of mindfulness, then people can be more open to compassion. And in fact, again, some of the research is now saying that one of the secret sauce of mindfulness seems to be this element of accepting, without judgement, warmly kindly accepting. So now let me segue into a definition I like, and this is very hands on. Okay, so again, I don't want it to be abstract. So, the easiest thing to do is just with me, raise your hand, if you like, and just wiggle your fingers. Okay, so mindfulness, very simply, is, knowing what you're doing at the moment. It's nothing, Woo Woo, it's nothing, you know, fanciful, it's nothing weird. It's just present moment awareness, with kindness without judgement. So, you're feeling your hand, you're not saying, "Oh, Jen, You're such an idiot." for you know, wiggling your fingers. Just say, "Okay, I'm sitting here, moving my hand, feeling my hand again, being present in the body." And we'll talk about that as well. without judgement.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">13:33</span>

Yeah, so I'm not looking at my hands. And my hands are really big in the picture.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">13:38</span>

Oh, I don't have a manicure. Either. Something absurd.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">13:41</span>

Never had that. But yeah, I've heard Joseph Goldstein explain, you know, what is mindfulness, this big topic, and he says, "Sit and know you're sitting."

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">13:52</span>

Exactly. Exactly. It's that simple.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">13:55</span>

Yeah. And and I think I saw in your book, actually a quote from Sharon Salzberg, that I really liked. It said, mindfulness doesn't depend on what is happening, but is about how we are related to what is happening.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">14:06</span>

Exactly, exactly.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">14:08</span>

Yeah.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">14:08</span>

And I think that really says it all. And a lot of people keep coming back to the fact that it's not the external circumstances. It's really the inner experience of how we are dealing with what's happening to us. And as Joseph, let me just make a link between those two teachers, as Joseph Goldstein would say, what is the attitude in the mind? You know, is there resistance? Is there a version, you know, are you saying, Oh, poor me, or are you saying, Okay, this is what's happening? And he puts it wonderfully again, which is anything can happen to anyone, at any time.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">14:58</span>

Mm hmm. Okay, so let's Maybe make this super concrete for parents, you talk in the book about diaper changing.

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">15:06</span>

Yeah.

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">15:06</span>

Which is a task that most parents have done once or twice. There are some parents who managed to take a different path with it. But the majority of parents are doing a decent number of diaper changes for a period of some years. And you described a mindful diaper change. And anyone who's reading your book and knows anything about resources, infant educators, or RIE, well will read that description and they'll just think, you know, this has so many parallels to the idea of it's called wants something quality, time in RIE. It's the idea that even caregiving tasks, which typically, society trains us to, and we think of ourselves as things, we just need to get through them. And then we can do the fun stuff that the other side, you know, we can play with the baby. But actually, even these caregiving tasks, even if they seem unpleasant to us, they're still opportunities for connection. Can you maybe draw that out a little bit in the way that you see it?

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">16:02</span>

Sure. And I also want to thank you, because as I mentioned, my son, and daughter in law just had a new baby, and I got baby just got back from the hospital recently. And I got an email from him saying, Oh, you know, change seven diapers today. And you sent me a wonderful link that I thought was so moving. And you I'm sure you want to include that in the show notes. Where the writer really talks about respecting the child,

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">16:35</span>

Gosh, I don't know who it was. Do you remember?

<strong>Dr. Pollak </strong><span style="color: silver">16:38</span>

Zachary? Is that...? It was in the email you sent me. I googled it and then sent it to my...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfcompassion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">839ab2bb-f66c-4b11-801d-f3a32b633be2</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c3ab70e5-d44f-43ad-8d11-18122bbfd7a2/your-parenting-mojo-self-compassion-final-1.mp3" length="78405924" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:05:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>121: How To Support Your Perfectionist Child</title><itunes:title>121: How To Support Your Perfectionist Child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Parents often reach out to me to ask how they can support their perfectionist children, who can't seem to cope with failure. I've been on the lookout for someone to talk with us for a while, but just as with our episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxiety/">anxiety</a>, it took quite some searching to find an expert who doesn't take a behaviorist-based approach - meaning that if the behavior is fixed, the problem is fixed too.

I was really glad to find today's guest, Dr. Paul Hewitt, who is a Professor in the Department of Psychology at the University of British Columbia. Dr. Hewitt has spent decades researching perfectionism and recently received the Donald O. Hebb award for his distinguished contributions to psychology as a science by the Canadian Psychological Association. He is currently doing research on the treatment of perfectionism, and trains clinicians in the treatments of perfectionistic behavior. In this interview, he tells us what we know about perfectionism, what we still don't know, and how to help our children who have perfectionist tendencies.

&nbsp;

<strong>Books mentioned in the episode:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uEb8I5">Perfectionism: A Relational Approach to Conceptualization, Assessment, and Treatment</a> </span></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3IC76G0">Perfectionism in Childhood and Adolescence: A Developmental Approach</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">00:03</span>

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about. Subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:01</span>

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we're going to look at a topic that bubbles up fairly often in online parenting groups, and that's related to perfectionism. The typical post goes something like this, my child starts an activity but as soon as something doesn't go exactly the way they hope to maybe a crayon wasn't the color they wanted, or they extended a mark too far on the paper. Or they got an answer wrong on a quiz for school. They screw up the paper in a ball and throw it away. And when this happens on a regular basis, it just seems debilitating. How can I help my child to overcome this now while they're still young, so it doesn't have a big impact on their life?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:39</span>

And I was actually in the library a while ago looking for books on another topic for another podcast episode and right next to the one I was there to get was an edited volume on perfectionism. And inside was an essay by our guest today Dr. Paul Hewitt. And when I read that essay, and I delved into his body of work, I knew he was exactly the right guest to speak with us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:59</span>

Dr. Hewitt works mostly with adults. But just as we learned when we covered anxiety a few months ago, it can be really difficult to find someone to interview who doesn't just focus on treating the symptoms of the problem, and instead goes beneath the symptoms to understand the real causes, which is what Dr. Hewitt's work does so effectively. Dr. Hewitt is a professor of psychology, and a registered clinical psychologist who has conducted extensive research on the construct of perfectionism, which is the idea of what perfectionism actually is, and whether it's harmful to people. He's currently doing research on the treatment of perfectionism and trains clinicians in the treatment of perfectionistic behavior. Dr. Hewitt received his BA from the University of Manitoba, his M.A., and his PhD from the University of Saskatchewan, and he currently leads the Perfectionism and Psychopathology Lab at the University of British Columbia. In 2019, Dr. Hewitt received the Donald O. Hebb Award for Distinguished Contributions to Psychology as a Science for his work on perfectionism.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">02:56</span>

Welcome, Dr. Hewitt.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">02:58</span>

Thank you very much.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">02:59</span>

All right. So let's start with definitions because it seems as though this should be kind of an easy thing to do, right to define what perfectionism is, but the more you start poking at it, the more you realize it's a pretty nebulous concept. So, can you please tell us how you define perfectionism?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">03:15</span>

You're right it on first blush, it feels like something that should be fairly straightforward. And indeed, a lot of people in the literature, treat it as something that's very simple, straightforward - cognitions, or thoughts or attitudes - in reality, I've spent about 35 years doing research and clinical work with people with problems with perfectionism, and my definition has evolved over the decades. At this point, I couldn't really think of perfectionism as a really complex, sort of multi-dimensional, multi layered personality style. So, it's like a character style that people have that really serves a fundamental purpose for individuals.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">04:00</span>

So, it's, again, it's an ingrained, stable kind of personality style that people have. So, it's very generally, you know, we got, we got very specific in terms of what that might entail, and maybe I can work my way through that.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">04:16</span>

That would be great. Thank you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">04:18</span>

One of the ways to think about perfectionism is that people - children, adults, adolescents, seniors - will have a requirement of perfection that is, some will need themselves, they'll require themselves to be perfect, or they will require other people to be perfect, or both. And when we talk about what we've talked about the need to be perfect, we talk really about perfectionism traits.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">04:49</span>

Actually, before I go any further, let me let me state this. The conceptualization that I've put together with my colleagues over the years has not come just from research or from reading in the literature. It's come from working with patients and it's come from working with people and my patients over the years have taught me what perfectionism is. So, this whole aspect of my work has really fueled everything that I do from the models we've created to the treatment that we've developed to the understandings.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">05:23</span>

So, we can go back to this need to be perfect. We talk about perfectionism traits, and traits are personality characteristics that we have that are stable, they are long standing, they've been there for a long time, often, most of our lives. They don't change very easily. And we've talked about perfectionism traits. And these traits, these perfectionism traits, drive and energies, perfectionistic behavior.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">05:55</span>

So, it's these traits that drive first off the need to be perfect. And there's three ways that we've talked about people needing to be perfect. The first, we've just called self-oriented perfectionism, meaning, I need me to be perfect, I have the requirement that I have to attain perfection. And so that's one element. It's kind of what everybody thinks about when we talk about perfectionism. There's another element whereby individuals don't, I don't necessarily need me to be perfect, I need you to be perfect, or my children, or the other drivers on the road, or my wife, or my students or the world, in general, I need everybody else to be perfect. And I will be harsh and critical of those people when they're not perfect. In the same way, that when I have a requirement for myself to be perfect, I will be harsh and critical of myself.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">06:53</span>

There's a third element. And this one really came from my clinical work, where it became clear that there were people who needed to be perfect, but it wasn't arising from themselves, it wasn't this intrinsic kind of need. It was more that other people require me to be perfect. And it's the perception that other people require me to be perfect. Now that can be absolutely true. Or it can simply be a perception that's not objectively accurate. But nevertheless, the person has that experience of their world where I am expected to be perfect. And that can come again, from spouses from your boss...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Parents often reach out to me to ask how they can support their perfectionist children, who can't seem to cope with failure. I've been on the lookout for someone to talk with us for a while, but just as with our episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/anxiety/">anxiety</a>, it took quite some searching to find an expert who doesn't take a behaviorist-based approach - meaning that if the behavior is fixed, the problem is fixed too.

I was really glad to find today's guest, Dr. Paul Hewitt, who is a Professor in the Department of Psychology at the University of British Columbia. Dr. Hewitt has spent decades researching perfectionism and recently received the Donald O. Hebb award for his distinguished contributions to psychology as a science by the Canadian Psychological Association. He is currently doing research on the treatment of perfectionism, and trains clinicians in the treatments of perfectionistic behavior. In this interview, he tells us what we know about perfectionism, what we still don't know, and how to help our children who have perfectionist tendencies.

&nbsp;

<strong>Books mentioned in the episode:</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uEb8I5">Perfectionism: A Relational Approach to Conceptualization, Assessment, and Treatment</a> </span></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3IC76G0">Perfectionism in Childhood and Adolescence: A Developmental Approach</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
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[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">00:03</span>

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about. Subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:01</span>

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast. Today we're going to look at a topic that bubbles up fairly often in online parenting groups, and that's related to perfectionism. The typical post goes something like this, my child starts an activity but as soon as something doesn't go exactly the way they hope to maybe a crayon wasn't the color they wanted, or they extended a mark too far on the paper. Or they got an answer wrong on a quiz for school. They screw up the paper in a ball and throw it away. And when this happens on a regular basis, it just seems debilitating. How can I help my child to overcome this now while they're still young, so it doesn't have a big impact on their life?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:39</span>

And I was actually in the library a while ago looking for books on another topic for another podcast episode and right next to the one I was there to get was an edited volume on perfectionism. And inside was an essay by our guest today Dr. Paul Hewitt. And when I read that essay, and I delved into his body of work, I knew he was exactly the right guest to speak with us.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">01:59</span>

Dr. Hewitt works mostly with adults. But just as we learned when we covered anxiety a few months ago, it can be really difficult to find someone to interview who doesn't just focus on treating the symptoms of the problem, and instead goes beneath the symptoms to understand the real causes, which is what Dr. Hewitt's work does so effectively. Dr. Hewitt is a professor of psychology, and a registered clinical psychologist who has conducted extensive research on the construct of perfectionism, which is the idea of what perfectionism actually is, and whether it's harmful to people. He's currently doing research on the treatment of perfectionism and trains clinicians in the treatment of perfectionistic behavior. Dr. Hewitt received his BA from the University of Manitoba, his M.A., and his PhD from the University of Saskatchewan, and he currently leads the Perfectionism and Psychopathology Lab at the University of British Columbia. In 2019, Dr. Hewitt received the Donald O. Hebb Award for Distinguished Contributions to Psychology as a Science for his work on perfectionism.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">02:56</span>

Welcome, Dr. Hewitt.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">02:58</span>

Thank you very much.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">02:59</span>

All right. So let's start with definitions because it seems as though this should be kind of an easy thing to do, right to define what perfectionism is, but the more you start poking at it, the more you realize it's a pretty nebulous concept. So, can you please tell us how you define perfectionism?

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">03:15</span>

You're right it on first blush, it feels like something that should be fairly straightforward. And indeed, a lot of people in the literature, treat it as something that's very simple, straightforward - cognitions, or thoughts or attitudes - in reality, I've spent about 35 years doing research and clinical work with people with problems with perfectionism, and my definition has evolved over the decades. At this point, I couldn't really think of perfectionism as a really complex, sort of multi-dimensional, multi layered personality style. So, it's like a character style that people have that really serves a fundamental purpose for individuals.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">04:00</span>

So, it's, again, it's an ingrained, stable kind of personality style that people have. So, it's very generally, you know, we got, we got very specific in terms of what that might entail, and maybe I can work my way through that.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">04:16</span>

That would be great. Thank you.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">04:18</span>

One of the ways to think about perfectionism is that people - children, adults, adolescents, seniors - will have a requirement of perfection that is, some will need themselves, they'll require themselves to be perfect, or they will require other people to be perfect, or both. And when we talk about what we've talked about the need to be perfect, we talk really about perfectionism traits.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">04:49</span>

Actually, before I go any further, let me let me state this. The conceptualization that I've put together with my colleagues over the years has not come just from research or from reading in the literature. It's come from working with patients and it's come from working with people and my patients over the years have taught me what perfectionism is. So, this whole aspect of my work has really fueled everything that I do from the models we've created to the treatment that we've developed to the understandings.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">05:23</span>

So, we can go back to this need to be perfect. We talk about perfectionism traits, and traits are personality characteristics that we have that are stable, they are long standing, they've been there for a long time, often, most of our lives. They don't change very easily. And we've talked about perfectionism traits. And these traits, these perfectionism traits, drive and energies, perfectionistic behavior.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">05:55</span>

So, it's these traits that drive first off the need to be perfect. And there's three ways that we've talked about people needing to be perfect. The first, we've just called self-oriented perfectionism, meaning, I need me to be perfect, I have the requirement that I have to attain perfection. And so that's one element. It's kind of what everybody thinks about when we talk about perfectionism. There's another element whereby individuals don't, I don't necessarily need me to be perfect, I need you to be perfect, or my children, or the other drivers on the road, or my wife, or my students or the world, in general, I need everybody else to be perfect. And I will be harsh and critical of those people when they're not perfect. In the same way, that when I have a requirement for myself to be perfect, I will be harsh and critical of myself.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">06:53</span>

There's a third element. And this one really came from my clinical work, where it became clear that there were people who needed to be perfect, but it wasn't arising from themselves, it wasn't this intrinsic kind of need. It was more that other people require me to be perfect. And it's the perception that other people require me to be perfect. Now that can be absolutely true. Or it can simply be a perception that's not objectively accurate. But nevertheless, the person has that experience of their world where I am expected to be perfect. And that can come again, from spouses from your boss from the world in general, where a person feels like the expectation by others is that I need to be perfect. And those are the traits and they kind of drive. All of this need to be perfect.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">07:51</span>

So that's one element of perfectionism. Another one that came out of my clinical work was not the need to be perfect. But the need to communicate to the world that I am perfect. So, you may know people that you had described, yeah, that person needs to be perfect, I can see them being really concerned with being perfect, or maybe even striving or driving to be perfect. I don't know these other people who don't necessarily strive and drive, or even concerned about striving, they are more concerned with communicating to everybody that I am perfect. There are certain politicians that exist in the world, for whom that rings very, very true.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">08:37</span>

So, there's three ways that I can essentially appear perfect to you. One is I can communicate to you how perfect I am, I'll tell you all kinds of things that I do, I might even show you something that I do incredibly well, I will promote myself as perfect in with the goal that you will then see me somehow as perfect. Another way to do that, and that's by me kind of doing the opposite is I will conceal things from people, I will not show you any behavior that I exhibit that might be imperfect. So, I might have a concern with you'll never see me public speak, for example, because if I speak publicly, I might falter. And you will then see an imperfection in me. And that is very aversive. So, there's that element. There's also and this is particularly pernicious one where I will not disclose or verbally reveal imperfections. And if you think about the establishment of intimate relationships, it's all about this process of more and more kind of revealing truly who we are as people - perfections, imperfect and everything. You can see that there's a whole domain of revealing of the stuff felt that this kind of perfectionism would really interfere. So, there's that domain, you can start to see that we're talking about a complex personalities found here. And that is in the interpersonal domain, that's about how the perfectionism is expressed: interpersonal.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">10:20</span>

The third element that we focused on is more intrapersonal, that is within the individual. And the way I like to frame it is when we're talking about needing to appear perfect to others, that is about the relationship one has with other people. The intrapersonal is about the relationship one has with oneself. And one of the ways best to capture that is we all have this internal dialogue that we have going on, not necessarily constantly, but a lot of the day. So, prior to this podcast, as I was getting ready, you know, I'm quiet, so my wife is there, she just sees me kind of doing whatever. But in my head, I'm doing okay, well, I've got 15 minutes, I got to make sure that I do this, I got to do that sort of thing and make sure my headphones are on. And it's this simple dialogue that I have with myself. Often, it's just something like that but sometimes it can be a dialogue that really reflects how the relationship I have with myself. So I could be us the self-statements, things I say to myself, Oh, I got a task, I've got to do this perfectly, I've got to make sure I don't come across as silly or stupid, or flawed or defective or anywhere like that. It's just dialogue. And if you think about that, if you had a partner that you were doing this podcast with, and you sent those words to your partner, okay, you got to do this perfectly, you got to make, it would cause real problems. And you probably wouldn't have a partner for very long.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">12:04</span>

Mm hmm.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">12:05</span>

It's very hostile and aggressive. And yet, so if we think of that the way we're interacting with ourselves, it's a very hostile and aggressive way of interacting with ourselves. We can also do things like after the podcast, we say, Oh how can I be so stupid, I can't believe I said, after all these errors, I'm just horrible, I should quit this, I'll never succeed. And these self-recriminations are self-critical element. Also, if you said that to a partner would be very abusive. And so, we can have this abusive relationship, we can also have a soothing self-congratulatory relationship with self-love for perfectionism, this relationship with self tends to be perfectionistic. As I said, I've got to do this perfectly, but also very harsh and critical.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">12:57</span>

So, we've got these three domains, three layers of perfectionism and perfectionistic behavior. And again, this is this is the truth is we're very complex creatures. And it's great to try to have simple models. But when the models sort of eliminate the humanness of people in all their complexity, it's really not much help to us at all. That's what we call a descriptive model of perfectionism. That's how the group that I work with, that's how we see perfection.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">13:33</span>

Okay. And...

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">13:35</span>

So yes, it's broad.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">13:39</span>

It's big, and it's complicated. And so, this is really driven. I mean, the vast majority of your academic career, right? I mean, why is it so important to understand so much about perfectionism?

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">13:51</span>

One, because as soon as people kind of hear about it, it very often resonates with them. They say, Oh, I understand that, oh, I can relate to that. Or I don't know how many thousands of times I've given a talk both professionally and to the public. And people come up afterwards, all the time. And they're often moved simply because I've described something that resonates.

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">14:16</span>

Finally, somebody understands me.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">14:18</span>

That or now I understand, my beloved aunt, or my beloved father or grandparent where they want my sibling or my child. And so, it really kind of resonates with people first off, but also it's important because when I first started this work, I was actually an undergraduate, third year undergraduate. And I discovered that people kind of written a little bit about nobody done any research. And there were these implications that might be associated with depression, and anxiety, and eating disorders, and this, that and the other thing, and nobody checked it out. So did some initial work and developed ways to kind of do that. Some research and then began a process of finding out what not only perfectionism was, but all these different components that we've talked about. That, what are they related to, and we just find a gain into that it's related to all kinds of different problems, and problems in things that we might call psychological or psychiatric diagnosis, very significant relationship problems, very significant achievement problems, and very significant physical health problems, including a study that was done by a colleague of mine here in Canada, on early death, that perfectionism is associated with knowing your control some of the other death factors is predictive of earlier death. So, it's important because it's really associated with all kinds of difficulties for people. Now, there's lots of reasons theories we have as to why that, why that might be and how that works, and that sort of thing. So, a big part of my research and many others across the world has been to try to figure out what are the problems with this personality style? And then how does it work? Ultimately, how do we help people with it?

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<strong>Jen </strong><span style="color: silver">16:20</span>

Mm hmm. Yeah. Okay. So, it's associated with a lot of negative things. But one idea that I've seen both in the literature and that I think parents have heard of, as well as this idea of positive perfectionism. And the first reference that I was able to find on it was back in 1978, and I kind of traced it through the literature a little bit, and found a definition in a paper from 1988, where the author's described positive perfectionism, I'm going to quote, as cognitions and behaviors that are directed toward the achievement of certain high level goals to obtain positive consequences. That is positive perfectionism is driven by positive reinforcement and desire for success. And they actually described developing a positive and negative perfectionism scale that drew heavily on a model that you would develop. So, I'm wondering, can you talk us through your ideas about whether this idea of positive perfectionism exists?

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">17:11</span>

Oh, no, it doesn't.

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<strong>Dr. Hewitt </strong><span style="color: silver">17:15</span>

From my perspective, there's nothing positive about perfectionism. And there is within the field of perfectionism research, there's somewhat of a controversy, although it's becoming less and less of a controversy as we actually understand it more. The truth of it is, perfectionism is about perfecting the self, don't define it as perfecting things like to make sure everything on my desk is perfectly aligned. That's something entirely that's obsessionalism, or compulsive behavior. Perfection is about having a sense of being defective, flawed,]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/perfectionism]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e2afae19-c039-4dcb-a157-7bc60f1bfbd6</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8400e657-ceb1-4073-8c5a-9c88e385a882/your-parenting-mojo-perfectionism-edited.mp3" length="53485737" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>120: How to Raise a Child Who Uses Their Uniqueness to Create Happiness (RE-RELEASE)</title><itunes:title>120: How to Raise a Child Who Uses Their Uniqueness to Create Happiness (RE-RELEASE)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I've heard from listeners that what they call "The Dark Horse Episode," the interview with Dr. Todd Rose, that this is one of their favorite conversations on the podcast, and for this reason I'm doing something I've never done before: reissuing that episode.  Dr. Rose and I discussed ways to personalize children's learning to help them truly discover and live their full potential - both academically and personally (and even getting rid of that distinction entirely...).

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<strong>References</strong>

Cantor, P., Osher, D., Berg, J., Steyer, L., &amp; Rose, T. (2019). Malleability, plasticity, and individuality: How children learn and develop in context. Applied Developmental Science 23(4), 307-337.

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Mischel, W. (2004). Toward an integrative science of the person. Annual Review of Psychology 55, 1-22.

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Osher, D., Cantor, P., Berg, J., Steyer, L., &amp; Rose, T. (2018). Drivers of human development: How relationships and context shape learning and development. Applied Developmental Science, 1-31.

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Osher, D., Cantor, P., Berg, J., Steyer, L., &amp; Rose, T. (January 2017). Science of learning and development: A synthesis. American Institutes for Research. Downloaded from: https://www.air.org/sites/default/files/downloads/report/Science-of-Learning-and-Development-Synthesis-Osher-January-2017.pdf

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Rose, T., &amp; Ogas, O. (2018). Dark Horse: Achieving success through the pursuit of fulfillment. New York, NY: HarperCollins.

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Rose, T., McMahon, G.T., Saxberg, B., &amp; Christensen, U.J. (2018). Learning in the 21st Century: Concepts and tools. Clinical Chemistry 64(10), 1423-1429.

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Rose, T. (2015). The end of average: How we succeed in a world that values sameness. New York, NY: HarperCollins.

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Rose, L.T., Rouhani, P., &amp; Fischer, K.W. (2013). The science of the individual. Mind, Brain, and Education 7(3), 152-158.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I've heard from listeners that what they call "The Dark Horse Episode," the interview with Dr. Todd Rose, that this is one of their favorite conversations on the podcast, and for this reason I'm doing something I've never done before: reissuing that episode.  Dr. Rose and I discussed ways to personalize children's learning to help them truly discover and live their full potential - both academically and personally (and even getting rid of that distinction entirely...).

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Check out what listeners who subsequently joined the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningmembership/">Learning Membership</a> said in our private community before the membership had even officially started:

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<strong>References</strong>

Cantor, P., Osher, D., Berg, J., Steyer, L., &amp; Rose, T. (2019). Malleability, plasticity, and individuality: How children learn and develop in context. Applied Developmental Science 23(4), 307-337.

<hr />

Mischel, W. (2004). Toward an integrative science of the person. Annual Review of Psychology 55, 1-22.

<hr />

Osher, D., Cantor, P., Berg, J., Steyer, L., &amp; Rose, T. (2018). Drivers of human development: How relationships and context shape learning and development. Applied Developmental Science, 1-31.

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Osher, D., Cantor, P., Berg, J., Steyer, L., &amp; Rose, T. (January 2017). Science of learning and development: A synthesis. American Institutes for Research. Downloaded from: https://www.air.org/sites/default/files/downloads/report/Science-of-Learning-and-Development-Synthesis-Osher-January-2017.pdf

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Rose, T., &amp; Ogas, O. (2018). Dark Horse: Achieving success through the pursuit of fulfillment. New York, NY: HarperCollins.

<hr />

Rose, T., McMahon, G.T., Saxberg, B., &amp; Christensen, U.J. (2018). Learning in the 21st Century: Concepts and tools. Clinical Chemistry 64(10), 1423-1429.

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Rose, T. (2015). The end of average: How we succeed in a world that values sameness. New York, NY: HarperCollins.

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Have you been to a protest and shouted "Black Lives Matter!  Fight the Power!"...and then gone home and forced your child to brush their teeth?

&nbsp;

Have you chastised Grandma for 'stealing' kisses from your child because it disrespects their body autonomy...and then pinned them down for a haircut?

&nbsp;

You're not alone.  We're in this weird place where we know we want to do things differently than the way we were raised.  But cultural norms are still telling us: we need to be in charge.  (Because if we aren't in charge, <em>who is?</em>)

&nbsp;

<strong>A conversation with the hosts of Upbringing</strong>

My guests today, Hannah and Kelty of the <a href="https://www.upbringing.co/">Upbringing </a>podcast, see this dissonance more clearly than almost anyone I've met.  In their podcast they explore how we live one way as people (who believe in freedom!  respect!  consent!  empathy!) and another way as parents (timeouts, shame, control, consequences), and how we're unwittingly undermining the very skills and values we hope to promote.

&nbsp;

But blaming and shaming helps nobody (not us...and certainly not our children).  By instead approaching the topic with compassion and optimism, we can get out of an us vs. them relationship with our children, and take back our parenting practices from our cultural conditioning, and parent <em>in relationship with </em>our children in a way that's deeply aligned with our values.

&nbsp;

Hannah and Kelty describe their <a href="https://www.upbringing.co/resistapproach">RESIST approach</a> (Respect, Empathy, Sync up, Innovate, Summarize, Trust) and also have a new guide to <a href="https://www.upbringing.co/shop/sibs">navigating sibling conflict</a> (use discount code MOJO at checkout for 15% off!) on their beautiful website.  If our conversation strikes a chord, I'd definitely encourage you to check out their podcast and weekly Q&amp;As on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/up_bringing/">Instagram</a>.

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&nbsp;

Have you been to a protest and shouted "Black Lives Matter!  Fight the Power!"...and then gone home and forced your child to brush their teeth?

&nbsp;

Have you chastised Grandma for 'stealing' kisses from your child because it disrespects their body autonomy...and then pinned them down for a haircut?

&nbsp;

You're not alone.  We're in this weird place where we know we want to do things differently than the way we were raised.  But cultural norms are still telling us: we need to be in charge.  (Because if we aren't in charge, <em>who is?</em>)

&nbsp;

<strong>A conversation with the hosts of Upbringing</strong>

My guests today, Hannah and Kelty of the <a href="https://www.upbringing.co/">Upbringing </a>podcast, see this dissonance more clearly than almost anyone I've met.  In their podcast they explore how we live one way as people (who believe in freedom!  respect!  consent!  empathy!) and another way as parents (timeouts, shame, control, consequences), and how we're unwittingly undermining the very skills and values we hope to promote.

&nbsp;

But blaming and shaming helps nobody (not us...and certainly not our children).  By instead approaching the topic with compassion and optimism, we can get out of an us vs. them relationship with our children, and take back our parenting practices from our cultural conditioning, and parent <em>in relationship with </em>our children in a way that's deeply aligned with our values.

&nbsp;

Hannah and Kelty describe their <a href="https://www.upbringing.co/resistapproach">RESIST approach</a> (Respect, Empathy, Sync up, Innovate, Summarize, Trust) and also have a new guide to <a href="https://www.upbringing.co/shop/sibs">navigating sibling conflict</a> (use discount code MOJO at checkout for 15% off!) on their beautiful website.  If our conversation strikes a chord, I'd definitely encourage you to check out their podcast and weekly Q&amp;As on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/up_bringing/">Instagram</a>.

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Denise is a Filipina living in Madrid, and the intentional, respectful parenting style she's chosen to use is somewhat out of place in both cultures.  She wanted to chat about what to do when her daughter is having some big feelings out in public, and a well-meaning senior citizen approaches and says directly to her daughter: "You shouldn't cry, because you look ugly when you cry."

We talk through the immediate issue, as well as all the layers underneath that question, on this episode.  And Denise's children make a surprise guest appearance at the end!

You can find Denise on Facebook at facebook.com/DeniseSuarezConCarino

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that's helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us. Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast and to today's episode of Sharing Your Parenting Mojo. And today I'm here with Denise. And Denise, do you want to say hi and tell us a bit about you and your family?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>01:09

Hi, hi, Jen. I'm Denise. I'm from the Philippines. But I live in Madrid. I have two kids age two and four. And I am also a parenting coach and certified how to talk so kids will listen workshop facilitator.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:24

Yeah, so it always feels like we're old friends at this point. And they're never met we've been working together for it's got to be almost two years by now. It was

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<strong>Denise  </strong>01:32

I would say, well for you. You've known me for almost two years. I would say I've known you much longer.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:41

Isn't that weird?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>01:44

Yeah, because I started listening to your podcast, I think my daughter must have been like four months old, and she's four now.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:57

Okay, now now this is getting really weird. There are a few listeners out there, I know of a few of them by name, who have listened to every podcast episode and I believe you're one of those, aren't you?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>02:08

Yeah.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>02:10

Awesome. So um, so you were curious about coming on to Sharing Your Parenting Mojo to talk about kind of, I guess, an interconnected issue around big feelings and cultural issues and, kinds of stuff related to that, right? I guess that probably comes up a lot for you, because you are raising children in a culture that is not the one that you were raised in yourself.

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<strong>Denise  </strong>02:31

Yep. And all of this really started with you.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>02:34

Oh, my goodness, I'm sorry.

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<strong>Denise  </strong>02:38

It all started with that guide on, I didn't even remember what the name of the guide was.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>02:44

Holding values in the Finding Your Parenting Major Membership. Yeah.

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<strong>Denise  </strong>02:49

Yeah. It all started from there. And there were and the questions that you asked which were just like, what are the cultures that you identify with? How do you want to raise your children in line with these cultures, in what ways are you going to be working against them? For me just really made me realise like, oh, there are really these two different cultures that are at play right now. And even though we are living in Madrid, we are living in Spain, and we have that Spanish culture, it doesn't negate the fact that I'm from the Philippines, and that I have my own, like history and my own culture that I also want to pass on to my children in some way. Maybe not in oh, and that's how I realised just how different it is like, you know, parenting in itself has its own difficulties, but when you kind of like, add in that like extra mix, it just makes it all the more interesting. Yeah.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:49

So what kind of situations does it play out in for you them?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>03:52

So this is actually one of the things that I wanted to talk about with you Jen was about. So one of the things that like I'm working against. And this comes from both Filipino and Spanish cultures is the denial of feelings, right? It's the you're not allowed to cry. And so sometimes this happens in the middle of the street and I have my daughter crying and you know, she is all out and I'm there kind of holding that space for her. When an older senior citizen comes along like a very well-meaning one comes to tell my daughter how she shouldn't be crying because she looks ugly when she cries. And so, yeah. Very well-meaning. And so it's kind of like how do I hide this? And, you know, for me, it's very easy to just like, brush up what she says because...

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:48

You don't know her..

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<strong>Denise  </strong>04:49

Yeah! But these are still messages that my daughter's receiving, right? And it's one of those things where part of the guide, one of the things that we did was to get at what are non negotiables. And that, for me is a non-negotiable. And so it's kind of like how do we handle these types of situations where, really what's going on is so contrary to what we want to teach or what we want them to have or to do.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>05:22

Yeah. So if you don't mind, I'd love it if we could back up just a little bit through your childhood and about how that played out for you. There's a big raised eyebrows there for those of who who are listening. Wide open eyes. So what did you learn about feelings when you were a child then and what would have happened if you had, you know, walking across the street and you have a meltdown in the middle of a street?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>05:47

That would never have happened?

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<strong>Jen  </strong>05:49

Yeah, yeah. So what was it like for you then?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>05:52

It's so funny. I was just speaking to someone else about this a few hours ago, about how in our in my childhood feelings weren't a thing. Like, I guess like they happen behind closed doors. And not just like anger or sadness, just like, in general. I don't remember feelings being a topic of conversation or something that we actually saw in each other. Except, you know, I have three sisters. So of course there was that anger and the jealousy but it wasn't something that we talked about.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:29

Yeah. And when you when you said it happened behind closed doors, I just got a flashback actually. Because you've listened to all my episodes I know you know that my mom died when I was about 10. And I remember walking down our hallway upstairs one day and going past my parent's room and my dad was sitting on the bed. He was looking at my mom's jewelry box, and he was crying, and I kept walking because I knew he wouldn't want me to see him crying, or even if I didn't know like, I felt. My impression was we don't talk about this. It's not okay for him to know that I've seen him crying. And for me to go to him and you know, could we ever have a conversation about something that's obviously touching us both so profoundly No, no, I as a 10, or 11 year old? No, I do not know how to initiate that conversation. And I don't know if he saw me. But he never came to me and said anything to me about it. And so yeah, I think this is this is common in so many cultures around the world, isn't it? That we're just, it's not that the feeling isn't there because it is. It's just that we were not allowed to express it. And so, okay, let's move one step forward, then how has that played out in your life, things that you saw happening in your childhood and that you were not allowed to express? How was that brought forward into your life as an adult?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>07:45

By myself like without my kids?

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<strong>Jen  </strong>07:49

Well how has it impacted your relationships, I guess, is

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<strong>Denise  </strong>07:54

Okay, so maybe not an adult yet. We can like pass through the beautiful teenage years of how I, of course, was going through all these emotions and just didn't even know what to do with them, you know? And I remember like, I would speak to friends about it. And I would just be like, I think, God, I have really good friends cause they would just like not say anything, and just like, be there. And so moving on to adulthood. How would that look like it would just be adulthood was fine. It was like no problems. I don't want to talk about my feelings. It's not something that I do. And then it's more just like the kids come and you're like, oh, wait, I have feelings. All these very strong feelings. And then again, because of like your work and all the other work that I've done, I also know that what I have or what I had growing up isn't what I want for my kid.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>08:50
]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode we hear from Denise, who claims to have listened to <em>every</em> Your Parenting Mojo episode...

Denise is a Filipina living in Madrid, and the intentional, respectful parenting style she's chosen to use is somewhat out of place in both cultures.  She wanted to chat about what to do when her daughter is having some big feelings out in public, and a well-meaning senior citizen approaches and says directly to her daughter: "You shouldn't cry, because you look ugly when you cry."

We talk through the immediate issue, as well as all the layers underneath that question, on this episode.  And Denise's children make a surprise guest appearance at the end!

You can find Denise on Facebook at facebook.com/DeniseSuarezConCarino

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that's helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at YourParentingMojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us. Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast and to today's episode of Sharing Your Parenting Mojo. And today I'm here with Denise. And Denise, do you want to say hi and tell us a bit about you and your family?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>01:09

Hi, hi, Jen. I'm Denise. I'm from the Philippines. But I live in Madrid. I have two kids age two and four. And I am also a parenting coach and certified how to talk so kids will listen workshop facilitator.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>01:24

Yeah, so it always feels like we're old friends at this point. And they're never met we've been working together for it's got to be almost two years by now. It was

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>01:32

I would say, well for you. You've known me for almost two years. I would say I've known you much longer.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>01:41

Isn't that weird?

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>01:44

Yeah, because I started listening to your podcast, I think my daughter must have been like four months old, and she's four now.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>01:57

Okay, now now this is getting really weird. There are a few listeners out there, I know of a few of them by name, who have listened to every podcast episode and I believe you're one of those, aren't you?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>02:08

Yeah.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:10

Awesome. So um, so you were curious about coming on to Sharing Your Parenting Mojo to talk about kind of, I guess, an interconnected issue around big feelings and cultural issues and, kinds of stuff related to that, right? I guess that probably comes up a lot for you, because you are raising children in a culture that is not the one that you were raised in yourself.

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>02:31

Yep. And all of this really started with you.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:34

Oh, my goodness, I'm sorry.

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>02:38

It all started with that guide on, I didn't even remember what the name of the guide was.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>02:44

Holding values in the Finding Your Parenting Major Membership. Yeah.

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>02:49

Yeah. It all started from there. And there were and the questions that you asked which were just like, what are the cultures that you identify with? How do you want to raise your children in line with these cultures, in what ways are you going to be working against them? For me just really made me realise like, oh, there are really these two different cultures that are at play right now. And even though we are living in Madrid, we are living in Spain, and we have that Spanish culture, it doesn't negate the fact that I'm from the Philippines, and that I have my own, like history and my own culture that I also want to pass on to my children in some way. Maybe not in oh, and that's how I realised just how different it is like, you know, parenting in itself has its own difficulties, but when you kind of like, add in that like extra mix, it just makes it all the more interesting. Yeah.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:49

So what kind of situations does it play out in for you them?

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>03:52

So this is actually one of the things that I wanted to talk about with you Jen was about. So one of the things that like I'm working against. And this comes from both Filipino and Spanish cultures is the denial of feelings, right? It's the you're not allowed to cry. And so sometimes this happens in the middle of the street and I have my daughter crying and you know, she is all out and I'm there kind of holding that space for her. When an older senior citizen comes along like a very well-meaning one comes to tell my daughter how she shouldn't be crying because she looks ugly when she cries. And so, yeah. Very well-meaning. And so it's kind of like how do I hide this? And, you know, for me, it's very easy to just like, brush up what she says because...

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>04:48

You don't know her..

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>04:49

Yeah! But these are still messages that my daughter's receiving, right? And it's one of those things where part of the guide, one of the things that we did was to get at what are non negotiables. And that, for me is a non-negotiable. And so it's kind of like how do we handle these types of situations where, really what's going on is so contrary to what we want to teach or what we want them to have or to do.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:22

Yeah. So if you don't mind, I'd love it if we could back up just a little bit through your childhood and about how that played out for you. There's a big raised eyebrows there for those of who who are listening. Wide open eyes. So what did you learn about feelings when you were a child then and what would have happened if you had, you know, walking across the street and you have a meltdown in the middle of a street?

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>05:47

That would never have happened?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>05:49

Yeah, yeah. So what was it like for you then?

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>05:52

It's so funny. I was just speaking to someone else about this a few hours ago, about how in our in my childhood feelings weren't a thing. Like, I guess like they happen behind closed doors. And not just like anger or sadness, just like, in general. I don't remember feelings being a topic of conversation or something that we actually saw in each other. Except, you know, I have three sisters. So of course there was that anger and the jealousy but it wasn't something that we talked about.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:29

Yeah. And when you when you said it happened behind closed doors, I just got a flashback actually. Because you've listened to all my episodes I know you know that my mom died when I was about 10. And I remember walking down our hallway upstairs one day and going past my parent's room and my dad was sitting on the bed. He was looking at my mom's jewelry box, and he was crying, and I kept walking because I knew he wouldn't want me to see him crying, or even if I didn't know like, I felt. My impression was we don't talk about this. It's not okay for him to know that I've seen him crying. And for me to go to him and you know, could we ever have a conversation about something that's obviously touching us both so profoundly No, no, I as a 10, or 11 year old? No, I do not know how to initiate that conversation. And I don't know if he saw me. But he never came to me and said anything to me about it. And so yeah, I think this is this is common in so many cultures around the world, isn't it? That we're just, it's not that the feeling isn't there because it is. It's just that we were not allowed to express it. And so, okay, let's move one step forward, then how has that played out in your life, things that you saw happening in your childhood and that you were not allowed to express? How was that brought forward into your life as an adult?

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>07:45

By myself like without my kids?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>07:49

Well how has it impacted your relationships, I guess, is

&nbsp;

<strong>Denise  </strong>07:54

Okay, so maybe not an adult yet. We can like pass through the beautiful teenage years of how I, of course, was going through all these emotions and just didn't even know what to do with them, you know? And I remember like, I would speak to friends about it. And I would just be like, I think, God, I have really good friends cause they would just like not say anything, and just like, be there. And so moving on to adulthood. How would that look like it would just be adulthood was fine. It was like no problems. I don't want to talk about my feelings. It's not something that I do. And then it's more just like the kids come and you're like, oh, wait, I have feelings. All these very strong feelings. And then again, because of like your work and all the other work that I've done, I also know that what I have or what I had growing up isn't what I want for my kid.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>08:50

Yeah. And that's where I was going with it. And yeah, just to pause on your teenage years for a minute. I mean, is it possible that if our parents had cultivated that relationship with us, where our feelings were allowed that we wouldn't have needed to go to our friends and have our friends be the sounding board that we know we so desperately need and that we can't find a home. And so then we turn outwards to who else can we possibly get this from? I think I see in the child development research, there's really no examination of that issue. It's more of a well children turn to their peers in their teens. Nobody asked, Well, why do children turn to their peers in their teens? And I know you have a degree in psychology as well. You've probably seen the parallels there.

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<strong>Denise  </strong>09:30

Yeah, that's actually what like when you brought it up, that's what I was going to ask you is like, but don't doesn't the research say that developmentally at that stage it's common for you like, for you to look towards your peers and not your parents.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>09:44

Yeah, yeah. And I'm actually exploring this for a podcast episode. And I'm having a really hard time with it, because I'm sure you've listened already to the episode on othering with Dr. John Powell. And so he mentioned a little nugget in there about the failure of the launching model, which is where we're we prepare our children to launch themselves off into college, into careers, into success, into everything else. And so he had sort of seeded this idea that maybe launching is not actually that useful, but in young adults are still very much exploring who they are. What is their role in the world? And they need help with that. And the idea that, okay, we're done, you're off on your own now go out with a bunch of people your own age, might not actually be super helpful to them. And the reason I'm having a hard time is because in the literature.

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<strong>Denise  </strong>10:32

There must be nothing.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>10:34

Yeah, well, firstly, there's nothing on that, and secondly, the phrase failure to launch means that your child has not launched themselves because the only model is the launch. And so if it's not a failure of the model, it's a failure of your child to live within the model. And so yes, this idea is very much swirling,

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<strong>Denise  </strong>10:53

And it reminds me a lot of how you always mention most of the studies are like focused on the W.E.I.R.D. country's culture, whatever the word is.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:07

Yes. And if you haven't listened to every episode that's Western, educated, industrialized rich, democratic cultures abbreviated to our acronym is weird. Yeah.

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<strong>Denise  </strong>11:18

And how those cultures are particularly focused on independence. Well, if you look at maybe especially more Asian cultures, their focus is really more of what's more, just like interdependence. .

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:34

Exactly. Yeah and is failure to launch even a thing. And is there any research on it in English that I can find? Well, it will see, but not so far yet. So, okay, so that kind of brings us to adulthood and to the fact that parenting brings up all these big feelings in us and we were seeing in our children, we want to do things differently. And yet we have all these strong cultural messages around us about what is the right way for a child. to behave. And so your I think there's a few layers to this. Your original question was about what to do with people that you don't know. And then of course, there's another layer about what to do with people you do know. With people you don't know, if it was just some random person walking down the street, what would you say right now? What would be your...

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<strong>Denise  </strong>12:18

I don't mind them.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>12:21

Do you not pay any attention? Do you even acknowledge that you've heard or?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>12:23

It depends on my mood, honestly. Sometimes I just say like, thank you, because I know that again, they're very like well intentioned for it. Other times, then, this is like after working with you, then I kind of like speak to my daughter about it afterwards, when she's calmed down to kind of say like, oh, what do you think of that? And so I think I do kind of know what to do. It's just the question is more, you know, if it was like a one time thing, yeah, it's fine. It's just, you know, if it's something quite consistent, It's just culture.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>12:55

Yeah and culture is made up of people's expectations and actions. And yeah, so I mean, I think you're already on the right track just to sort of as gracious as you can muster. Thank you, maybe even a thank you, I've got this. It seems as though more advice is being offered. And then after the fact, absolutely a conversation with your daughter about what happened. And I would be super explicit about what you believe about feelings, and how feelings are expressed in your family. And of course, because you've been doing this work for so long, you should be able to point to times when she may be in your own apartment, she has been able to express her feelings and, you know, this is how we welcome your feelings. These are the kinds of things that you can know welcome your feelings. Is there anything else that I could be doing that I'm not doing right now, to help you feel as though when you have to express something that you have a safe space to do that in and then have that lead into a conversation about what other people believe about feelings, and we hear in the States, yes, disapproving looks are pretty uncommon. I would say it would be pretty rare for another adult to say a comment like that. So we don't have that as much to deal with on that issue. But we're, of course we're having, we're having explicit discussions with our child about race and what that means and how that intersects with all the different ways that she plays. And so I would talk with your child about what other people believe about feelings and how people in some cultures believe that you shouldn't express your feelings, and that it's better to not do that and that we believe something different. And so it's possible that we're going to encounter people we're going to be out in the street, we'll see a person and this is what you will hear me say when that happens like today when it happened. I said thank you to that person. That doesn't mean that I believe that what they said is right. It means that I believe we should be polite to people that we don't know and especially people who are older than us. And so that's why I said thank you. But that doesn't mean that I believe that what that person said is right, because I believe that my relationship with you is the most important thing. You know, include other family members as appropriate, and that you have the right to express the feelings you want to express and that I, I will help you to find a place for those and I will support you through those. And I think, you know, children become so adept at navigating different worlds and what rules are okay, what things are okay to do at grandma's house, what things are not okay to do at grandma's house. And but they are a code our house, so they can navigate these different things. And so I think that that approach really kind of helps them to know where you stand on it super explicitly, and that this is welcome in your family. And that when we're out, it's possible they're going to get other messages, and this is how you relate to them. So how do you think that would play out if you have that kind of conversation?

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<strong>Denise  </strong>15:54

Yeah, I think it's kind of like I did the first step of having that conversation of like, okay, in our family this is what we do, and I missed the second step which is kind of like explaining how this might be what happens in our family, but it's not necessarily what happened outside. And I guess I like it, because it's also kind of preparing them and letting them know, like, things might be different. And it's okay for them to be different. But still, this is this is what we do in our family.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>16:24

Yeah. And it's going to come up again and again. In school, in playgrounds, in everywhere they interact with other people. It's going to come up again and again. And so you could even prepare them with something to say that if a teacher at school says stop crying, you look ugly when you cry. Maybe there's a you know..

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<strong>Denise  </strong>16:47

Hope none of their teachers say that.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>16:49

Hopefully they wouldn't, but you never know. Maybe they're in the playground and some random person is passing by. You never know. But just you know, what is something that's not super snarky But that also acknowledges their right to express their emotions. It's as long as hopefully nobody's being hit and obviously that kind of support, but if it's an expression of emotions. So yeah, making it really explicit about what we believe and what works in our family and how we interact with each other in our family. And I mean, the extra step for how we apply that out in the world is so important. It's so many issues related to patriarchy related to race and things like that. So as we wrap up, so anyone who's interested in finding out more about your work and where they can interact with you.

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<strong>Denise  </strong>17:36

Yeah, so I do most of my interaction on Facebook. So Jen is going to share the link on the description if you want to listen it's facebook.com/DeniseSuarezConCarino. And so what I really do as a parenting coach is that I support other intercultural...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/culturaldivides]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9e5e2ea9-acea-4ff1-9611-be8f6d0fcc91</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ace5e1ee-d42d-4655-9095-0b8e31cd2bcf/sharing-your-parenting-mojo-denis-suarez-final.mp3" length="23387345" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>19:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</title><itunes:title>118: Materialism</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode on the topic of materialism concludes our series on the intersection of parenting and money.  Here we talk with Dr. Susanna Opree of Erasmus University Rotterdam, who studies the effect of advertising and commercial media on use, materialism, and well-being.

We discuss how children's understanding of materialism shifts as they age, the extent to which advertising contributes to materialism, and the specific role that parents play in passing on this value.

<strong>Other episodes in this series:</strong>

This episode is the second in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>00:00

Basically, if you want to reduce materialism, you need to make sure that's those human connections. And those other values such as generosity, that they are amplified. And so I think what works best if Why do you see young kids to invest in their self-esteem a little bit as well also for adolescence, but I think also teaching young people to be grateful to be grateful ourselves as well for all the things that we have. And really just focus on making those connections. And the tricky thing is that sometimes possessions enable these connections. But I think if we're more focused on what's intrinsic to us, what makes us happy, outside of possessions that then basically the emphasis will shift.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:52

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE  Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. And today's episode we're going to bring our series on the intersection of children and money to a conclusion we started out so long ago by talking with New York Times money columnist Ron Lieber about his book The Opposite of Spoiled. More recently we heard from Dr. Brad Klontz, about how we pass on money scripts to our children. And then we talked with Dr. Allison Pugh about the meaning children make out of the messages they receive about material goods. And then Dr. Esther Rozendaal on how children's brains process advertising.  And in between we looked at what research there is on how to set up a playroom, which has of course many links with the items that we buy and use. And so finally, we're here today with Dr. Suzanna Opree to bring the discussion up to a level that kind of draws all this together as we try and understand what materialism is, and how we pass it on to our children and what we can do if we don't want our children to be very materialistic. Dr. Opree is Senior Assistant Professor of quantitative methods in the department of Media and Communication at Erasmus University Rotterdam. Her research focuses on the effect of advertising and commercial media on use, materialism, and well-being. Welcome Dr. Opree!

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>03:00

Thank you for having me.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:01

Okay, so I wonder if we could start with something that seems as though it should be kind of simple. And then it turned out that it wasn't. Can you define materialism for us? Because I would, as I was reading through the literature, I found at least six different definitions of it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>03:15

Yeah, there are indeed many definitions. Luckily, though, some scholars have already tried to make sense of all those different definitions. And so I myself always go by the work of Richins and Dawson, and they say that materialism is basically three things. So first, it's finding possessions important and just wanting to collect as many possessions as you can. That's the first thing. The second thing is that you actually think that these possessions will make you happier, and not only in the short term, but also in the long run. And so that's basically one of the motivators for actually collecting possessions. And then the third one has to do more with impression management, so to say. So it's that you want to have possessions for adults to basically impress all the others around you. So think of having a big house, having a big car. As for children, and it's that, so getting items that will make you popular among your peers, but also just the belonging and fitting in, which I know you talked about earlier in the podcast series as well. That's important for children as well.

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[caption id="attachment_6253" align="aligncenter" width="1024"] According to Richins and Dawson, materialism is basically three things. (1) Finding possessions important and wanting to collect as much as you can, (2) thinking possessions will make you happier, (3) having possessions to basically impress others around you.[/caption]

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:27

Yeah, yeah, that definitely came out in our episode with Dr. Pugh. So, um, so I'm glad that you are using one of the definitions that I had found instead of springing a new one on me. And so I'm curious as to how you landed on that one instead of some of the others that I mean, one of them says that materialism is a personality trait. Other people think it's a feature of people's identities or a set of attitudes about money and wealth. What is it about this particular definition that speaks to you more than some of the others?

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>04:53

Well, I think it also captures the first two that you're referring to. So when we talk about it as a personality traits I do think materialism is something that's inherent or characters and all of us are materialistic to some extent or another. However, in that research, it's often combined with other character traits. So they talk that materialism is paired with possessiveness, for instance, and non-generosity, envy. And I don't think all naturalistic kids or people actually have these personality traits, but we use possessions as part of our identity. So I do think that part is true, especially in a consumer culture that we have today. Basically, anything you own is a choice. So back in the day, like to my students I always compare it to buying a car. A couple of decades ago, there was one car that you could buy like the Model-T Ford was the only one made available and it had just one color and that was it. Whereas if you go buy a car today, there are so many different each brand has so many different models and so many different colors or color combinations. And that whatever you choose then becomes a signaling of your identity, so to say.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:08

Yeah, and I think that's particularly, it's interesting that you brought up the example of cars. I was just talking about this the other day, about how so many cars are essentially the same car with the same chassis, the same engine with a different, you know, wrapper on the outside. Yes, designed to appeal to some particular aspect of our taste. So yeah, and so I'm always trying to look back to previous episodes, and we did one recently on the topic of patriarchy and I was really interested to draw a connection between some research on that and something that I pulled out of the literature on materialism because one of the authors I was reading had argued that materialism and consumerism have feminizing effects on men. And I'm going to quote this by setting up a narrative linking identity or sorry, linking masculinity, rebellion and integrity on one side and femininity, conformity, domestication and commercialization on the other. Production is active while consumption is passive. The consumer is deceived by advertising into purchasing things she doesn't really need, and this femininity is contagious. So men might also find themselves subject to the hypnoidal trance. I mean, what do you make of that? I am trying to square that with the research that says that men are actually slightly more materialistic than women I think.

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>07:25

They are. Yeah, yeah. For me, it was a very interesting point of view, actually a new one for me. So if I actually look at the literature. So Tim Kasser, for instance, has a yeah has worked on the topic of materialism for many years, as well. And he also studies, he linked it to capitalism, basically. And he, I believe, last year also released a book called Hyper-Capitalism, which is great. It's actually a comic book telling you everything about materialism or what you need to know. But what he also explains there, is that he links it to capitalism, but he's saying so materialism]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode on the topic of materialism concludes our series on the intersection of parenting and money.  Here we talk with Dr. Susanna Opree of Erasmus University Rotterdam, who studies the effect of advertising and commercial media on use, materialism, and well-being.

We discuss how children's understanding of materialism shifts as they age, the extent to which advertising contributes to materialism, and the specific role that parents play in passing on this value.

<strong>Other episodes in this series:</strong>

This episode is the second in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>00:00

Basically, if you want to reduce materialism, you need to make sure that's those human connections. And those other values such as generosity, that they are amplified. And so I think what works best if Why do you see young kids to invest in their self-esteem a little bit as well also for adolescence, but I think also teaching young people to be grateful to be grateful ourselves as well for all the things that we have. And really just focus on making those connections. And the tricky thing is that sometimes possessions enable these connections. But I think if we're more focused on what's intrinsic to us, what makes us happy, outside of possessions that then basically the emphasis will shift.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>00:52

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives, but it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE  Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind, seven fewer things to worry about, subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. And today's episode we're going to bring our series on the intersection of children and money to a conclusion we started out so long ago by talking with New York Times money columnist Ron Lieber about his book The Opposite of Spoiled. More recently we heard from Dr. Brad Klontz, about how we pass on money scripts to our children. And then we talked with Dr. Allison Pugh about the meaning children make out of the messages they receive about material goods. And then Dr. Esther Rozendaal on how children's brains process advertising.  And in between we looked at what research there is on how to set up a playroom, which has of course many links with the items that we buy and use. And so finally, we're here today with Dr. Suzanna Opree to bring the discussion up to a level that kind of draws all this together as we try and understand what materialism is, and how we pass it on to our children and what we can do if we don't want our children to be very materialistic. Dr. Opree is Senior Assistant Professor of quantitative methods in the department of Media and Communication at Erasmus University Rotterdam. Her research focuses on the effect of advertising and commercial media on use, materialism, and well-being. Welcome Dr. Opree!

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>03:00

Thank you for having me.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>03:01

Okay, so I wonder if we could start with something that seems as though it should be kind of simple. And then it turned out that it wasn't. Can you define materialism for us? Because I would, as I was reading through the literature, I found at least six different definitions of it.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>03:15

Yeah, there are indeed many definitions. Luckily, though, some scholars have already tried to make sense of all those different definitions. And so I myself always go by the work of Richins and Dawson, and they say that materialism is basically three things. So first, it's finding possessions important and just wanting to collect as many possessions as you can. That's the first thing. The second thing is that you actually think that these possessions will make you happier, and not only in the short term, but also in the long run. And so that's basically one of the motivators for actually collecting possessions. And then the third one has to do more with impression management, so to say. So it's that you want to have possessions for adults to basically impress all the others around you. So think of having a big house, having a big car. As for children, and it's that, so getting items that will make you popular among your peers, but also just the belonging and fitting in, which I know you talked about earlier in the podcast series as well. That's important for children as well.

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[caption id="attachment_6253" align="aligncenter" width="1024"] According to Richins and Dawson, materialism is basically three things. (1) Finding possessions important and wanting to collect as much as you can, (2) thinking possessions will make you happier, (3) having possessions to basically impress others around you.[/caption]

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:27

Yeah, yeah, that definitely came out in our episode with Dr. Pugh. So, um, so I'm glad that you are using one of the definitions that I had found instead of springing a new one on me. And so I'm curious as to how you landed on that one instead of some of the others that I mean, one of them says that materialism is a personality trait. Other people think it's a feature of people's identities or a set of attitudes about money and wealth. What is it about this particular definition that speaks to you more than some of the others?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>04:53

Well, I think it also captures the first two that you're referring to. So when we talk about it as a personality traits I do think materialism is something that's inherent or characters and all of us are materialistic to some extent or another. However, in that research, it's often combined with other character traits. So they talk that materialism is paired with possessiveness, for instance, and non-generosity, envy. And I don't think all naturalistic kids or people actually have these personality traits, but we use possessions as part of our identity. So I do think that part is true, especially in a consumer culture that we have today. Basically, anything you own is a choice. So back in the day, like to my students I always compare it to buying a car. A couple of decades ago, there was one car that you could buy like the Model-T Ford was the only one made available and it had just one color and that was it. Whereas if you go buy a car today, there are so many different each brand has so many different models and so many different colors or color combinations. And that whatever you choose then becomes a signaling of your identity, so to say.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jen  </strong>06:08

Yeah, and I think that's particularly, it's interesting that you brought up the example of cars. I was just talking about this the other day, about how so many cars are essentially the same car with the same chassis, the same engine with a different, you know, wrapper on the outside. Yes, designed to appeal to some particular aspect of our taste. So yeah, and so I'm always trying to look back to previous episodes, and we did one recently on the topic of patriarchy and I was really interested to draw a connection between some research on that and something that I pulled out of the literature on materialism because one of the authors I was reading had argued that materialism and consumerism have feminizing effects on men. And I'm going to quote this by setting up a narrative linking identity or sorry, linking masculinity, rebellion and integrity on one side and femininity, conformity, domestication and commercialization on the other. Production is active while consumption is passive. The consumer is deceived by advertising into purchasing things she doesn't really need, and this femininity is contagious. So men might also find themselves subject to the hypnoidal trance. I mean, what do you make of that? I am trying to square that with the research that says that men are actually slightly more materialistic than women I think.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>07:25

They are. Yeah, yeah. For me, it was a very interesting point of view, actually a new one for me. So if I actually look at the literature. So Tim Kasser, for instance, has a yeah has worked on the topic of materialism for many years, as well. And he also studies, he linked it to capitalism, basically. And he, I believe, last year also released a book called Hyper-Capitalism, which is great. It's actually a comic book telling you everything about materialism or what you need to know. But what he also explains there, is that he links it to capitalism, but he's saying so materialism often has is occurring in capitalist societies where there's also a huge emphasis on a succession of our success and ambition, of status, wealth. And that's actually if we look at intercultural research, those kinds of societies are actually classified as being more masculine. So there is more emphasis on being the best, so to say then taking care of each other. And so we also see that in countries where actually there is less capitalism and less materialism, that there is, for instance, yeah, more emphasis on values such as harmony and equality, social justice, so this part about how materialism could be. Yeah. How did you call it? Feminizing?

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<strong>Jen  </strong>08:50

Right. Yes.

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>08:52

To me, that's an interesting point of view that I will definitely explore further, but that I wasn't familiar with.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>09:00

Yeah, it almost seems as though the men are looking to the, I mean, it's sort of a cycle that men are advertising to the women who of course most advertising agencies are mostly run by men and are predominantly populated by men, and so they're creating these advertisements for women and saying, well, you're listening to this stuff and, and you're being hypnotized by it and your feminizing us. There was some kind of strange circular logic in it to me as well. So, okay, that brings us to the question of why do we care about materialism? Why does it matter? So let's start with how materialism is linked to well-being what do you see there?

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>09:32

Yeah, so there's actually an interesting link. So in my research has always distinguished well-being from life satisfaction, which are two different things. So well-being are basically all the conditions that needs to be met in order for you to become a happy individual. And what we see in research among adults is that adults who are more materialistic, they become less satisfied with their lives over time and it also works the other way around. So if as an adult, you're less satisfied, then you'll also grow to become more materialistic, as a sort of coping mechanism. And we observe this coping mechanism in children as well. So we see that if children are unhappy that then they are more materialistic. They're also more susceptible to the effects of advertising, but not the other way around. So if they're materialistic, as kids, they will not become less satisfied.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>10:30

All right. So let's dig into that a little bit. Then. What specifically do you find, I guess I'm not sure if this research has been done on children, but are there links between I guess its well-being as you're defining it rather than life satisfaction and materialism? Do we see a lot of negative impacts there? Or are there some positive ones as well, maybe?

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>10:49

Well, actually, that's still partly to be explored. So we aren't too sure yet how that works together. But we do see that that link between materialism and life satisfaction.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:00

Yeah, I was thinking about research on things like depression, and anxiety, and narcissism, and substance abuse.

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>11:07

Well, there's research on that. Yeah. Okay, that's and a very specific form of people's mental well-being basically. That if you look at research on self-esteem, for instance, then we do see that youth or adults with less self-esteem, they become more materialistic as well. Similarly, in my own research, I also found that children who experience a big life events, so this could be moving to a new town, but it could also be experiencing someone getting sick in their families, for instance, and then they become more materialistic as well. So for kids, as somehow these possessions seem like a way out in order to feel better.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:53

Yeah, and just thinking about the literature on divorce on that as well because I know there's research on divorce and materialism. I'm not sure the extent to which the parents drive this by seeing that the child's unhappy and buying them things as a tool to kind of express, you know, I still love you even though we're not together. And do you think that there is an element of the parents are driving this or it does it come from the children who are looking to possessions where they feel as though something is missing from other aspects of their life? Or is it kind of a circular process again, there?

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>12:26

Yeah, well, so one of those life events is also divorce. So we also included that in our research, and then again, we did see that the children whose parents were divorced, that indeed, they would become more materialistic as well. Part of it is compensation. I think, also because if you're spending less time with your kids, sometimes that is the outcome of divorce as well. You may want to compensate a little bit for your absence. And to a certain extent, like I wouldn't say that that's all that. I just think you need to be aware of the kind of message that you're giving out and also the kind of message you give out while doing so. So it's okay for instance, if you want to create a new bedroom in your house, if you want your kids to feel safe and secure in a new home, then yeah, I don't see the harm in getting them new possessions.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>13:20

Okay. And then sort of heading back up to the broader theme, I was really interested to see that materialistic values are associated with making more anti-social and self-centered decisions. And some people had done some fascinating studies on things like changing price tags on merchandising, I think this was a survey where they asked people if they'd ever done this or knowingly used an expired coupon which gosh, I've done behaving in less pro social and more selfish ways. What links do you see there?

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>13:50

Yeah, with that type of research, I always wonder myself, is it then materialism or maybe a personality trait that is related to materialism. So in my own research within adolescence, we saw that adolescent kids who are more materialistic, tend to be more narcissistic and entitled as well. And so, especially imagine that something like entitlement would perhaps make a bigger difference there than materialism. So if you change the price tag, if you want to get it cheaper, it's probably because you feel like that's the price that's right for you or that you're sort of justifying it maybe in that way. So I think it's it has to do with something linked to materialism rather than materialism itself.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>14:39

Yeah. And of course, that gets to the point of correlation rather than causation, doesn't it? The research shows that and I had written down materialistic values are associated with making more of these decisions. And because if we if we just sort of do a survey, we're finding that these two things vary together, but we can't say that it's the materialism that's causing the unethical behavior, and it could, in fact be other things that the researchers weren't even looking at. So, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's sort of a fair bit on the personal stuff. And of course, there are other reasons as well related to the environment. And the amount of waste that it produces, which we don't ever really see, you know, when we throw our device away, or whatever, I think is a way we're throwing away a small fraction of the complete amount of waste that was created in the lifecycle of the product. What do you see about how people who have materialistic values view nature and see these circumstances?

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<strong>Dr. Opree  </strong>15:37

Yeah, well, I think this partly has to do with consumer culture as well. So in a sense that if we look at the way our countries have changed over the years, and also how production processes have changed, so I myself, for instance, I grew up in a small town, and we had a big agricultural sector and there was a lot of these greenhouses as well. So there was actually produce being grown nearby. But if you go there now it's all suburbs like all these fields are gone. And so even though we grew up, like seeing what's happening, really knowing where produce come from, I can imagine the same like if you grow up near farms if you see animals being raised, and then the connection to nature is, of course, closer than if you live somewhere where you never observe it. And the tricky thing with the waste is that of course, we ourselves we create waste. Unfortunately, in our homes, not all foods get eaten, or indeed, we get rid of machines as well, that may be could’ve still been fixed, but it's easier just to replace it with something new that will work immediately, so to say. On the one hand is actually also part of the production process. So as I said, we're further away from it. But with all the produce for instance, we don't see the process before the store and so we're creating waste ourselves but actually the industry is also creating waste. So we have certain standards for what fruit and vegetables should look like, for instance, and anything that doesn't meet the criteria and will be cut from the process and will not make it to the stores. And so there's also ways in different parts of the process that I think can be handled as well. So that's one thing. And then on a more individual level. Yeah, it's tricky that we tend to replace things sooner than we used to.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>17:37

Mm hmm. Yeah. And I had read the individuals who are focused on more materialistic values really have more of a negative attitude towards the environment. Do you think that it's just that they don't think about it as much or they think about it and they don't care...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/materialism]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8117729e-847e-4049-b753-899ecb58f779</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b7d1cbab-95a7-4d48-995d-7ae04047c838/your-parenting-mojo-materialism-final.mp3" length="72187214" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:00:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>SYPM 006: Mindful Mama</title><itunes:title>SYPM 006: Mindful Mama</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We're delving a little deeper into the topic of mindfulness with none other than the Mindful Mama, Hunter Clarke-Fields!  We discuss Hunter's journey from being triggered just as often as the rest of us, to using mindfulness techniques to center herself so she can parent more effectively.  She even walks me through an impromptu mini-meditation!

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<em>"I’m worried about my child’s socialization now that it looks like daycares, preschools and schools have been closed for several months and will likely remain closed for several more months. Can someone please tell me if I really do need to worry about what the complete lack of socialization with other children will do to my [only] child?”</em>

So we'll take a look at that, and then we'll go on to take a look at the other kinds of socialization that happen in school that you may not have even realized happens until we dig into the research on it.

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I also let you know about a new Pandemic Pods 'in a box' course.  A lot of parents are thinking of forming what are being called Pandemic Pods - a small group of children who are working together either in some kind of parent care exchange or with a hired teacher/tutor.

As I'm sure you can imagine, there are a host of ways to set up these pods in a way that exacerbate existing inequalities that pervade the public school system.  And there are also ways to set them up that might actually help us to begin to overcome some of these issues.  Listen in to learn how!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/pandemicpods/">Click here to learn more about the Pandemic Pods 'in a box' course</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

Today’s podcast episode is on the topic of socialization, because one of the questions I’m seeing most often in parenting forums these days runs along the lines of "I’m worried about my child’s socialization now that it looks like daycares, preschools and schools have been closed for several months and will likely remain closed for several more months. Can someone please tell me if I really do need to worry about what the complete lack of socialization with other children will do to my only child?”  So that’s the main topic for our conversation today.

But I also wanted to let you know about some other resources I’ve been putting together for parents who are struggling to cope right now, and this episode is related to those as well.

You might have already seen that I have a course called The Confident Homeschooler, which gives you all the information you need to decide whether homeschooling could be right for your child and your family.  It’s based on scientific research, as everything I do is, but it’s not huge and indigestible.  It’s a series of short videos that you could binge-watch in an evening or two, and it gives you everything you need to make a decision about whether homeschooling can really work for you
<ul>
 	<li>whether you’ll need a curriculum, and if so, how to choose one;</li>
 	<li>how to use your child’s interests to develop their intrinsic love of learning,</li>
 	<li>the social and emotional learning that will enable your child’s success when they return to school,</li>
 	<li>overcoming problems like working with children of different ages,</li>
 	<li>and ways to assess your children’s learning so you can feel confident they are keeping up with academic standards, if you decide that’s important to you.</li>
</ul><br/>
If you want to find out more about The Confident Homeschooler you can do that at yourparentingmojo.com/confidenthomeschooler.

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But with many districts announcing that they are moving to remote-only learning for at least the first part of the fall semester, many parents are no longer in a position where they’re choosing whether homeschooling is right for them, they’re doing some form of it whether they want to or not.  And parents are panicking.  They’re panicking about their children’s learning, and whether their children are somehow going to ‘fall behind’ if they can’t make attending school two days a week work, or if they already know from what happened in Spring that their child just isn’t going to be able to sit in front of Zoom calls for even an hour each day.

Parents who are in this position are starting to form what are being called Pandemic Pods, and if you haven’t heard of these yet then you will most likely be hearing more about them soon.  They pretty much exploded over social media just last weekend here in the Bay Area, and I expect they’ll move outward from there to other places where schools are closed.  So a Pandemic Pod is a small group of families that are getting together to support their child’s development and learning in some way.  Exactly how that will be done depends on the age of the children; for younger children this might essentially be a nanny share arrangement.  For older ones there would be some aspect of supporting the children’s learning, and this can vary from learning about things the children are interested in to making sure the children complete every assignment sent home by the school district and ensuring readiness for the next grade of learning when school reopens.

On the first day people were talking about Pandemic Pods there was a huge rush to form them.  And then the very next day, it seemed like people realized the social justice considerations of what are essentially networks of affluent parents, who are often but not always White, either withdrawing their child from school or providing this extra tutoring to ensure their child stays on track with the school-provided learning objectives.  And there are other considerations like how many families you’ll work with, and whether each family is comfortable really socially isolating so the pod’s potential for exposure is minimized, and whether the children will wear masks all day every day, and whether the caregiver or tutor will wear a mask inside your house all day every day.

But I do believe there are ways to set pods up that address many of these logistical issues, as well as the social justice considerations, for two reasons.  I think there can be a bit of a reflexive cry of “public schools are the most equitable arrangement possible, and Pandemic Pods reek of White privilege.”  We’ll get to the public schools issue in a bit, so let’s take the privilege aspect first.  If White people are using their networks to identify resources that not everyone can access then that’s a classic case of what’s called Opportunity Hoarding, which we discussed in depth in the episode on White privilege in schools.  If White people are forming pods and then reaching out to parents of non-dominant cultures and inviting them in to ‘sprinkle a little diversity on top’ primarily for the benefit of our own child then we’re basically just perpetuating White supremacy.

(And if this is the first time you’re hearing this phrase ‘people of non-dominant cultures,’ then it’s a term I use to avoid centering Whiteness, and to recognize the power imbalance inherent in systemic racism.)

But there are ways to form these pods that don’t do that.  A Pandemic Pod doesn’t inherently perpetuate White supremacy.  The way the pod is formed CAN do that, or can NOT do that.  So if a White parent reaches out to people of non-dominant cultures, maybe parents of other children at the White family’s school, or maybe through a local church and asks what resources parents need access to, then you can open a conversation.  What you may well find is that while you are feeling overwhelmed and panicked because this is the first time our social systems have really completely failed us, that families of non-dominant cultures have robust support systems that have thus far flown under the radar.  So if you ask them what they need, a group of families might already have a long-standing support system and ask you to purchase wifi access for them, and then encourage you not to engage further with them, thank you very much.  They might be deeply suspicious of your motives, as, frankly, I probably would be too if I were them.  But it’s possible that by starting a conversation about what they’re seeing and what are their needs, and what you’re seeing and what are your needs, that you’ll be able to open up a space that is truly inclusive, not just tokenistically inclusive.

By making the needs of others at least as important as your own needs, and even centering their needs above yours, you’re doing the real work of dismantling White supremacy here.  This is really it.  You’re listening to the needs of people of non-dominant cultures, and you’re acting on them not out of a sense of duty and obligation and White saviorism, but because your survival and your child’s survival are wrapped up in their survival and their child’s survival.  You will sink or swim together.  This is the work Black people are asking us to do to dismantle the systems that have given us so much power and privilege for so many years.

So if you’d like more information on how to form a pandemic pod, from whether you should start one in the first place, to way more of these social justice considerations, to the kinds of questions you’ll want to ask the other families participating, how to identify a caregiver or tutor and what to ask them in an interview, to what the children should be learning and how to know if they are learning, to minimizing costs, then my new Pandemic Pod ‘in a box’ course is for you.  You can learn more and sign up today at yourparentingmojo.com/pandemicpods.

Now I do want to come back to this issue of public schools being the most equitable arrangement possible for children, and the idea that if we aren’t supporting public schools then we aren’t doing anti-racist work because it’s intimately connected to the idea of socialization.

I think when many parents are thinking of the issue of socialization they’re thinking about it at one level, as I was as well before I started looking into it, so we’ll start there before we go deeper.  We’re thinking about the interactions our children are missing out on...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[One of the questions I see asked most often in parenting forums these days is some variation on:

<em>"I’m worried about my child’s socialization now that it looks like daycares, preschools and schools have been closed for several months and will likely remain closed for several more months. Can someone please tell me if I really do need to worry about what the complete lack of socialization with other children will do to my [only] child?”</em>

So we'll take a look at that, and then we'll go on to take a look at the other kinds of socialization that happen in school that you may not have even realized happens until we dig into the research on it.

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I also let you know about a new Pandemic Pods 'in a box' course.  A lot of parents are thinking of forming what are being called Pandemic Pods - a small group of children who are working together either in some kind of parent care exchange or with a hired teacher/tutor.

As I'm sure you can imagine, there are a host of ways to set up these pods in a way that exacerbate existing inequalities that pervade the public school system.  And there are also ways to set them up that might actually help us to begin to overcome some of these issues.  Listen in to learn how!

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/pandemicpods/">Click here to learn more about the Pandemic Pods 'in a box' course</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

Today’s podcast episode is on the topic of socialization, because one of the questions I’m seeing most often in parenting forums these days runs along the lines of "I’m worried about my child’s socialization now that it looks like daycares, preschools and schools have been closed for several months and will likely remain closed for several more months. Can someone please tell me if I really do need to worry about what the complete lack of socialization with other children will do to my only child?”  So that’s the main topic for our conversation today.

But I also wanted to let you know about some other resources I’ve been putting together for parents who are struggling to cope right now, and this episode is related to those as well.

You might have already seen that I have a course called The Confident Homeschooler, which gives you all the information you need to decide whether homeschooling could be right for your child and your family.  It’s based on scientific research, as everything I do is, but it’s not huge and indigestible.  It’s a series of short videos that you could binge-watch in an evening or two, and it gives you everything you need to make a decision about whether homeschooling can really work for you
<ul>
 	<li>whether you’ll need a curriculum, and if so, how to choose one;</li>
 	<li>how to use your child’s interests to develop their intrinsic love of learning,</li>
 	<li>the social and emotional learning that will enable your child’s success when they return to school,</li>
 	<li>overcoming problems like working with children of different ages,</li>
 	<li>and ways to assess your children’s learning so you can feel confident they are keeping up with academic standards, if you decide that’s important to you.</li>
</ul><br/>
If you want to find out more about The Confident Homeschooler you can do that at yourparentingmojo.com/confidenthomeschooler.

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But with many districts announcing that they are moving to remote-only learning for at least the first part of the fall semester, many parents are no longer in a position where they’re choosing whether homeschooling is right for them, they’re doing some form of it whether they want to or not.  And parents are panicking.  They’re panicking about their children’s learning, and whether their children are somehow going to ‘fall behind’ if they can’t make attending school two days a week work, or if they already know from what happened in Spring that their child just isn’t going to be able to sit in front of Zoom calls for even an hour each day.

Parents who are in this position are starting to form what are being called Pandemic Pods, and if you haven’t heard of these yet then you will most likely be hearing more about them soon.  They pretty much exploded over social media just last weekend here in the Bay Area, and I expect they’ll move outward from there to other places where schools are closed.  So a Pandemic Pod is a small group of families that are getting together to support their child’s development and learning in some way.  Exactly how that will be done depends on the age of the children; for younger children this might essentially be a nanny share arrangement.  For older ones there would be some aspect of supporting the children’s learning, and this can vary from learning about things the children are interested in to making sure the children complete every assignment sent home by the school district and ensuring readiness for the next grade of learning when school reopens.

On the first day people were talking about Pandemic Pods there was a huge rush to form them.  And then the very next day, it seemed like people realized the social justice considerations of what are essentially networks of affluent parents, who are often but not always White, either withdrawing their child from school or providing this extra tutoring to ensure their child stays on track with the school-provided learning objectives.  And there are other considerations like how many families you’ll work with, and whether each family is comfortable really socially isolating so the pod’s potential for exposure is minimized, and whether the children will wear masks all day every day, and whether the caregiver or tutor will wear a mask inside your house all day every day.

But I do believe there are ways to set pods up that address many of these logistical issues, as well as the social justice considerations, for two reasons.  I think there can be a bit of a reflexive cry of “public schools are the most equitable arrangement possible, and Pandemic Pods reek of White privilege.”  We’ll get to the public schools issue in a bit, so let’s take the privilege aspect first.  If White people are using their networks to identify resources that not everyone can access then that’s a classic case of what’s called Opportunity Hoarding, which we discussed in depth in the episode on White privilege in schools.  If White people are forming pods and then reaching out to parents of non-dominant cultures and inviting them in to ‘sprinkle a little diversity on top’ primarily for the benefit of our own child then we’re basically just perpetuating White supremacy.

(And if this is the first time you’re hearing this phrase ‘people of non-dominant cultures,’ then it’s a term I use to avoid centering Whiteness, and to recognize the power imbalance inherent in systemic racism.)

But there are ways to form these pods that don’t do that.  A Pandemic Pod doesn’t inherently perpetuate White supremacy.  The way the pod is formed CAN do that, or can NOT do that.  So if a White parent reaches out to people of non-dominant cultures, maybe parents of other children at the White family’s school, or maybe through a local church and asks what resources parents need access to, then you can open a conversation.  What you may well find is that while you are feeling overwhelmed and panicked because this is the first time our social systems have really completely failed us, that families of non-dominant cultures have robust support systems that have thus far flown under the radar.  So if you ask them what they need, a group of families might already have a long-standing support system and ask you to purchase wifi access for them, and then encourage you not to engage further with them, thank you very much.  They might be deeply suspicious of your motives, as, frankly, I probably would be too if I were them.  But it’s possible that by starting a conversation about what they’re seeing and what are their needs, and what you’re seeing and what are your needs, that you’ll be able to open up a space that is truly inclusive, not just tokenistically inclusive.

By making the needs of others at least as important as your own needs, and even centering their needs above yours, you’re doing the real work of dismantling White supremacy here.  This is really it.  You’re listening to the needs of people of non-dominant cultures, and you’re acting on them not out of a sense of duty and obligation and White saviorism, but because your survival and your child’s survival are wrapped up in their survival and their child’s survival.  You will sink or swim together.  This is the work Black people are asking us to do to dismantle the systems that have given us so much power and privilege for so many years.

So if you’d like more information on how to form a pandemic pod, from whether you should start one in the first place, to way more of these social justice considerations, to the kinds of questions you’ll want to ask the other families participating, how to identify a caregiver or tutor and what to ask them in an interview, to what the children should be learning and how to know if they are learning, to minimizing costs, then my new Pandemic Pod ‘in a box’ course is for you.  You can learn more and sign up today at yourparentingmojo.com/pandemicpods.

Now I do want to come back to this issue of public schools being the most equitable arrangement possible for children, and the idea that if we aren’t supporting public schools then we aren’t doing anti-racist work because it’s intimately connected to the idea of socialization.

I think when many parents are thinking of the issue of socialization they’re thinking about it at one level, as I was as well before I started looking into it, so we’ll start there before we go deeper.  We’re thinking about the interactions our children are missing out on with other children, and whether that’s a big deal to their development.  And fortunately for us, that’s actually a relatively easy question to answer.  So maybe this will be a super short episode and we’ll call it done?  But come on; I know you know me better than that!

So when we think about this issue of socialization with other children, and whether not being able to be around other children for a long time is problematic, we can say that in many cases the answer here is ‘no.’  I’m thinking back to our episode on the concept of Self-Reg®, which is the term that Dr. Stuart Shanker coined, and which is ““a powerful method for understanding stress and managing tension and energy, which are key to enhancing self-regulation in children, youth and adults of all ages.  Decades of research have shown that optimal self-regulation is the foundation for healthy human development, adaptive coping skills, positive parenting, learning, safe and caring schools, and vibrant communities.”

In that episode we looked at a lot of research on childhood stressors, and specifically at some definitions published by the Center for the Developing Child at Harvard University, which distinguishes between three types of stress:

A <strong>positive stress response</strong> is “a normal and essential part of healthy development, characterized by brief increases in heart rate and mild elevations in hormone levels. Some situations that might trigger a positive stress response are the first day with a new caregiver or receiving an injected immunization.

A <strong>Tolerable stress response</strong> activates the body’s alert systems to a greater degree as a result of more severe, longer-lasting difficulties, such as the loss of a loved one, a natural disaster, or a frightening injury. If the activation is time-limited and buffered by relationships with adults who help the child adapt, the brain and other organs recover from what might otherwise be damaging effects.

And a <strong>Toxic stress response</strong> can occur when a child experiences strong, frequent, and/or prolonged adversity—such as physical or emotional abuse, chronic neglect, caregiver substance abuse or mental illness, exposure to violence, and/or the accumulated burdens of family economic hardship—without adequate adult support. This kind of prolonged activation of the stress response systems can disrupt the development of brain architecture and other organ systems, and increase the risk for stress-related disease and cognitive impairment, well into the adult years.

While we can see that daycares and schools being closed for a long period of time doesn’t exactly fit the time-limited criteria of the positive stress response, if our child is at home with at least one loving parent, then the stress of not being able to see their friends is not likely to be harmful to the child.  Of course, this may not be the case if being at home exposes the child to things like domestic violence or caregivers who regularly humiliate the child, or other types of situations that we know are traumatic, and remove children from the sources of support they may have had in school.

The other side of this high-level question is that even when the child seems happy and reasonably well adjusted, are they missing out on some kind of skill building that they can only get by being around other children in daycare or school.  I do wish I could remember where I read it, but I do recall seeing someone somewhere explain what a strange idea it is that we put all the people in our ‘village’ who are the same age, and who lack social skills, and we put them all together with the smallest possible number of adults we can and expect the children to learn social skills.

We do know that children can effectively learn skills like manners and sharing from their parents and caregivers, so just because your child isn’t around other children doesn’t mean that they aren’t going to learn these skills.  And there’s no research indicating that children who aren’t around big groups of other children for extended periods come to some kind of developmental harm because we just wouldn’t have made it as a species if we needed this.  All children enjoy play and create opportunities to play when they can, even when it isn’t culturally sanctioned.  But they don’t have to have large groups of friends to learn how to play.  They can learn with siblings, or with parents spending a bit of time with them each day, and by themselves, and with one or two other children occasionally if you’re able to do that.

That said, if your child is extroverted and gets energy from a lot of social contact with others, and especially if you’re an introvert and need more quiet time, or if your child has a condition like autism that makes social contact with others important and that person simply cannot be you 100% of the time, then absolutely you can look for a friend or a small group of friends to co-isolate with to slightly expand your social bubble and give yourself a break.  But it’s possible that it isn’t contact with people their own age is actually the critical factor, and rather it’s just contact with other people that’s the important ingredient, and so having a teen or another adult or even a grandparent spend time with the child could also be beneficial.

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But let’s dig a little deeper into this, and ask ourselves what we *really* mean by socialization.  And we can start to get at this tangentially by asking why it matter so much that our children have the experience of being around others.  What are we trying to do by doing this?  We’re trying to give them experiences with other children, and also with other adults – the teachers, with a goal of giving them skills to succeed in the world.  And what kinds of skills do they need to learn to succeed in the world?  Basically, they need to learn the skills to understand what it means to move around in a world that is dominated by White norms.

Now I need to give a hat tip here to early childhood education consultant Ijumaa Jordan, whom I heard interviewed on the Pre-K Teach &amp; Play podcast which is hosted by Dr. Kristie Pretti-Frontczak.  I already had a bit of background knowledge on how Whiteness is the assumed norm in most situations in the world – we can see this when a news reporter refers to a White man as a ‘man,’ and a Black man as a ‘Black man’ – because Whiteness is the assumed norm, the reporter didn’t need to mention the White man’s race.  That’s just one tiny example, but it shows how when a group of White people are together, it’s a space that is assumed to be neutral.  Race isn’t an issue.  Race only becomes an issue when someone of another race comes into the space, or when a White person finds themselves in a room full of people of other races.

In this podcast episode, Ijumaa Jordan talks about how dominant White culture shows up in preschool classrooms.  One way this happens is through time; where you show up at a certain time (which is called ‘being on time’), and then things happen in a linear sequence that functions as a schedule.  In other places, and Jordan gives the Caribbean as an example, that time is more circular and based on relationships, and things don’t happen until the right people get there.  In our classrooms we might start at 9am, and 10:00 is group time, and 11:00 is outside time, and at 11:25 we start transitioning to washing hands, and at noon everyone has to sit down and eat their lunch.  There’s no space for anyone who doesn’t feel like going outside that day, or isn’t hungry at noon, to do anything different.  And when we’re talking about children of non-dominant cultures, the teacher will then sometimes say “they come from such chaotic homes…” and frame it up as preschool training the child to do something the parents have failed to do, which is to accept a view of time that is used by White culture.  Some things do run on time, and we need to be ready for them.  But this is my interjection here; the majority of the schedules we thrust on our children we do because it makes our lives easier.  We might tell ourselves that our children ‘do better’ when they are on a schedule, and by that we usually mean that they are more compliant, and that the behavior they show when they’re on a schedule might be easier for us to cope with.  But maybe it’s possible that another schedule would work better for them than the one we arbitrarily impose, or maybe they really don’t need as much of a schedule as we think they do.

This idea of scheduling becomes problematic in a couple of ways.  Firstly if we’re looking at federally or state-funded programs like Head Start then those programs tend to require that parents show up with their children by a certain time, and if you’re regularly late then you get written up and you could potentially lose access to the services that you rely on to take care of your child while you work.  So there’s not much flexibility there to account for whatever reality you’re facing with getting your kids out the door that morning.  And you might say ‘well, if there were really mostly White kids in the school, does it even matter if we use this highly scheduled approach?’  and Ijumaa Jordan says yes it does, because we’re teaching our children the dominant narrative, that the White way of viewing time is the right way to view time.

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Another way White norms show up is around being quiet.  There’s a pretty clear White cultural norm around being quiet.  I haven’t been to church in a long time, but I used to go when I was young and you sit quietly in your pew and listen unless it’s time to sing, in which case you sing but not too loudly, and you’re always singing along with the other people in church following the same melody which really sounds more like a dirge.  And I’ve seen videos of Black people in church and they’re calling out during the sermon to say they agree with what the pastor is...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolsocialization]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4f5b04eb-2389-4f71-a1f3-33b0414ba03c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c5a76c08-0f73-409a-a999-cab5f2dbb225/your-parenting-mojo-socialization-final.mp3" length="70235867" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>116: Turn Work-Family Conflict Into Work-Family Balance</title><itunes:title>116: Work-Family Conflict</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Work-family conflict can seem unavoidable - especially in the era of COVID when we're either working from home with children underfoot all day, or we're an essential worker who has to leave the house and can't find childcare.

In this conversation with licensed psychologist <a href="http://yaelschonbrun.com/">Dr. Yael Schonbrun</a>, Assistant Professor of Psychology at Brown University, and co-host of the Psychologists Off The Clock podcast, we acknowledge that we must enact policies that provide more of a safety net for families.  But even in the absence of these policies, we can make choices that allow us to live in greater alignment with our values, and also find a sense of peace.

If you enjoyed <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/">episode 113 on Dr. Chris Niebauer's book No Self, No Problem</a>, then you'll find that the tools we discuss in this episode flow directly from that one.

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<a href="https://www.actmindfully.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Choice_Point_2.0_A_Brief_Overview_-_Russ_Harris_April_2017.pdf">Here's a link</a> to the Choice Point tool that we discuss

Here are some Psychologists Off The Clock episodes that discuss Acceptance and Commitment Therapy in greater depth:

<a href="https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/acceptance-commitment-therapy">https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/acceptance-commitment-therapy</a>

<a href="https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/the-heart-of-act">https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/the-heart-of-act</a>

<a href="https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/take-committed-action">https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/take-committed-action</a>

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I am Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that is helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide To 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind 7 Fewer Things To Worry About, subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you will join us.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners might remember that a few months ago we talked with listener Kelly and Dr. Moira Mikolajczak on the topic of parental burnout. And we discussed how parental burnout is a constellation of symptoms that can include mental and physical exhaustion and emotional distancing from children, loss of feelings of being effective as a parent. And it can lead to an assortment of risks for both the parent and the child including shame and loneliness and the risk of neglect of the child or violence towards the child. And the feeling that the situation can only be escaped through divorce or abandonment or suicide. And we talked about how one of the big causes of parental burnout is the unrealistic expectations that we put on mothers to somehow sacrifice everything for their child, and also lead a fulfilling life for themselves. In the show notes, I gave a link to an assessment the Dr. Mikolajczak and her colleagues developed to help you figure out whether you might have burnout because it might not be as obvious as you think. And after the interview, I emailed with her and we discussed how powerful self-compassion can be as a tool to deal with burnout.

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More recently, I was listening to a podcast that I really enjoy called Psychologists Off the Clock which features four psychologists discussing the principles that they use in their clinical work, and how they can help the rest of us to flourish in our work and our parenting and our relationships as well. And one of the hosts is Dr. Yael Schonbrun, and she is here with us today. Dr. Schonbrun Brown is a licensed clinical psychologist with a private practice. She is also an assistant professor at Brown University. And she is writing a book on the topic of work-family conflict, which can be an important precursor to parental burnout, which is how these topics are connected. So I got to chatting with her about this by email and I realized that not only are a large proportion of my listeners, working parents, but the ideas that she's thinking about are actually applicable to anyone who feels tension between their family and some other aspect of their life. So, she is going to talk us through this and also give us some new tools to deal with the days when our lives just seem a little bit out of control. So welcome, Dr. Schonbrun.

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>03:00

Thank you so much Jen for having me. And I just want to take a quick moment to compliment your podcast, which is awesome. I love that you integrate data and compassion for parents and the work that you put out there is amazing. I am really honored to be a part of it.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:11

Oh, thank you. It is great to have you here. So, I am always the first to admit, as far as working parenthood goes, I have it pretty easy. Even when I had a day job, I worked from home and so I never had that struggle of the commute time and the physical rushing from one place to another that I know a lot of parents and families find really stressful, that even though I no longer have a regular day job, as it were, and the podcast and this business is my work, I sometimes feel really conflicted because I really, really, really love doing this work and I also really like spending time with my daughter. But sometimes I feel distracted when I am with her. Often because I am thinking about the writing that I could be doing, or I should be doing. If I was not out collecting fill bugs in the garden, and now that she's not in preschool for nine hours a day. And so, I wonder if you can maybe help us to understand why is working parenthood's so hard?

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>04:07

Yeah, I think it is great that you're pointing out that not all working parent challenges are created equal. Some of us really are more privileged than others. But it is also helpful to point out that the vast majority of working parents do experience challenges, just as you're describing. So, it's a great question, why is working parenthood so hard for so many of us? And the way that I frame my answer is a little different than the way the popular press typically talks about it. So, I sort of look at it from two different directions. The first is from the outside in, and the second is from the inside out. So, I'll tell you a little bit more about what I mean by that.

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So, the outside in is the part of the dilemma in working parenthood that has to do with challenges that exist outside of us that leak into our individual lives. So, these are factors like how flexible and supportive your workplace is and whether your colleagues and work environments support balance between work and non-work time. Whether you have a partner, and if you have a partner: how supportive he or she is capable of being, or willing to be in sharing childcare and household responsibilities, and in supporting your professional effort. Whether your kids have special needs or physical or mental health issues, things like whether you have financial stressors, or whether you live in a country with reasonable family leave policies, and so on. So, the outside-in  factors matter deeply because when those kinds of structures aren't in place in ways that are reasonable and humane, we're going to encounter painful, often insurmountable challenges. And that tends to be what gets talked about most of the time in the popular press, and in most of the books that are out there about work-family conflict. But as a clinical psychologist, I tend to emphasize the importance of the other direction. So, this is from the inside out. So, these are factors that exist inside of each of us. These are human psychological elements, things that make each of us tick, and I like to quote Sigmund Freud here because he famously said, Love and Work are the cornerstones of our humanness. And I like this quote, because it really symbolizes the fact that most of us feel a drive to engage deeply in relationships. And most of us feel a drive to engage in some kind of productive or skillful enterprise, you know, not necessarily paid, but something that is sort of outside of our private family lives.

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And these are both wonderful drives. And they are both associated with positive effect with healthy bodies and minds. And they are both individually and jointly able to create rich, meaningful, rewarding life. So, they are both important. But each tends to demand a lot from us and to demand things that sort of pull in opposite directions in which interfere with one another. So, for example, work really wants us to engage in future thinking, to be competitive, to be ambitious to get things done. Rr is parenting really requires us to be present and connected and very patient. And then of course, both roles require an intense amount of time and energy. So, by the fundamental nature of being human and wanting to participate in both work and love, most of us are going to experience conflict between those two roles. And so what a lot of my work focuses on is making sure...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Work-family conflict can seem unavoidable - especially in the era of COVID when we're either working from home with children underfoot all day, or we're an essential worker who has to leave the house and can't find childcare.

In this conversation with licensed psychologist <a href="http://yaelschonbrun.com/">Dr. Yael Schonbrun</a>, Assistant Professor of Psychology at Brown University, and co-host of the Psychologists Off The Clock podcast, we acknowledge that we must enact policies that provide more of a safety net for families.  But even in the absence of these policies, we can make choices that allow us to live in greater alignment with our values, and also find a sense of peace.

If you enjoyed <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/self/">episode 113 on Dr. Chris Niebauer's book No Self, No Problem</a>, then you'll find that the tools we discuss in this episode flow directly from that one.

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<a href="https://www.actmindfully.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Choice_Point_2.0_A_Brief_Overview_-_Russ_Harris_April_2017.pdf">Here's a link</a> to the Choice Point tool that we discuss

Here are some Psychologists Off The Clock episodes that discuss Acceptance and Commitment Therapy in greater depth:

<a href="https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/acceptance-commitment-therapy">https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/acceptance-commitment-therapy</a>

<a href="https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/the-heart-of-act">https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/the-heart-of-act</a>

<a href="https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/take-committed-action">https://www.offtheclockpsych.com/podcast/take-committed-action</a>

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:02

Hi, I am Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that is helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE Guide To 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind 7 Fewer Things To Worry About, subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you will join us.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:59

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners might remember that a few months ago we talked with listener Kelly and Dr. Moira Mikolajczak on the topic of parental burnout. And we discussed how parental burnout is a constellation of symptoms that can include mental and physical exhaustion and emotional distancing from children, loss of feelings of being effective as a parent. And it can lead to an assortment of risks for both the parent and the child including shame and loneliness and the risk of neglect of the child or violence towards the child. And the feeling that the situation can only be escaped through divorce or abandonment or suicide. And we talked about how one of the big causes of parental burnout is the unrealistic expectations that we put on mothers to somehow sacrifice everything for their child, and also lead a fulfilling life for themselves. In the show notes, I gave a link to an assessment the Dr. Mikolajczak and her colleagues developed to help you figure out whether you might have burnout because it might not be as obvious as you think. And after the interview, I emailed with her and we discussed how powerful self-compassion can be as a tool to deal with burnout.

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More recently, I was listening to a podcast that I really enjoy called Psychologists Off the Clock which features four psychologists discussing the principles that they use in their clinical work, and how they can help the rest of us to flourish in our work and our parenting and our relationships as well. And one of the hosts is Dr. Yael Schonbrun, and she is here with us today. Dr. Schonbrun Brown is a licensed clinical psychologist with a private practice. She is also an assistant professor at Brown University. And she is writing a book on the topic of work-family conflict, which can be an important precursor to parental burnout, which is how these topics are connected. So I got to chatting with her about this by email and I realized that not only are a large proportion of my listeners, working parents, but the ideas that she's thinking about are actually applicable to anyone who feels tension between their family and some other aspect of their life. So, she is going to talk us through this and also give us some new tools to deal with the days when our lives just seem a little bit out of control. So welcome, Dr. Schonbrun.

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>03:00

Thank you so much Jen for having me. And I just want to take a quick moment to compliment your podcast, which is awesome. I love that you integrate data and compassion for parents and the work that you put out there is amazing. I am really honored to be a part of it.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>03:11

Oh, thank you. It is great to have you here. So, I am always the first to admit, as far as working parenthood goes, I have it pretty easy. Even when I had a day job, I worked from home and so I never had that struggle of the commute time and the physical rushing from one place to another that I know a lot of parents and families find really stressful, that even though I no longer have a regular day job, as it were, and the podcast and this business is my work, I sometimes feel really conflicted because I really, really, really love doing this work and I also really like spending time with my daughter. But sometimes I feel distracted when I am with her. Often because I am thinking about the writing that I could be doing, or I should be doing. If I was not out collecting fill bugs in the garden, and now that she's not in preschool for nine hours a day. And so, I wonder if you can maybe help us to understand why is working parenthood's so hard?

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>04:07

Yeah, I think it is great that you're pointing out that not all working parent challenges are created equal. Some of us really are more privileged than others. But it is also helpful to point out that the vast majority of working parents do experience challenges, just as you're describing. So, it's a great question, why is working parenthood so hard for so many of us? And the way that I frame my answer is a little different than the way the popular press typically talks about it. So, I sort of look at it from two different directions. The first is from the outside in, and the second is from the inside out. So, I'll tell you a little bit more about what I mean by that.

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So, the outside in is the part of the dilemma in working parenthood that has to do with challenges that exist outside of us that leak into our individual lives. So, these are factors like how flexible and supportive your workplace is and whether your colleagues and work environments support balance between work and non-work time. Whether you have a partner, and if you have a partner: how supportive he or she is capable of being, or willing to be in sharing childcare and household responsibilities, and in supporting your professional effort. Whether your kids have special needs or physical or mental health issues, things like whether you have financial stressors, or whether you live in a country with reasonable family leave policies, and so on. So, the outside-in  factors matter deeply because when those kinds of structures aren't in place in ways that are reasonable and humane, we're going to encounter painful, often insurmountable challenges. And that tends to be what gets talked about most of the time in the popular press, and in most of the books that are out there about work-family conflict. But as a clinical psychologist, I tend to emphasize the importance of the other direction. So, this is from the inside out. So, these are factors that exist inside of each of us. These are human psychological elements, things that make each of us tick, and I like to quote Sigmund Freud here because he famously said, Love and Work are the cornerstones of our humanness. And I like this quote, because it really symbolizes the fact that most of us feel a drive to engage deeply in relationships. And most of us feel a drive to engage in some kind of productive or skillful enterprise, you know, not necessarily paid, but something that is sort of outside of our private family lives.

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And these are both wonderful drives. And they are both associated with positive effect with healthy bodies and minds. And they are both individually and jointly able to create rich, meaningful, rewarding life. So, they are both important. But each tends to demand a lot from us and to demand things that sort of pull in opposite directions in which interfere with one another. So, for example, work really wants us to engage in future thinking, to be competitive, to be ambitious to get things done. Rr is parenting really requires us to be present and connected and very patient. And then of course, both roles require an intense amount of time and energy. So, by the fundamental nature of being human and wanting to participate in both work and love, most of us are going to experience conflict between those two roles. And so what a lot of my work focuses on is making sure that we aren't trying to solve inside-out problems with outside-in solutions, because that tends to get us into trouble and ends up making us feel more conflicted, more frustrated, more guilty, more overwhelmed.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>07:08

Yeah, and I think that that distinction is so important and that they can affect each other. It is sort of like the Yin and the Yang, right, that the work that we do internally, is what shifts our culture. Our culture is not some kind of nebulous thing that is out there. It is a collection of how we all interact with each other how we think and how we interact with each other. And that by doing this internal work, we can shift our culture even if it might not go as fast as some of us might hope.

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>07:35

Yeah, yeah. I love that you just mentioned Yin and Yang, because a lot of my thinking about working family conflict and working family enrichment, which we'll get to is really informed by Daoist thinking about Yin and Yang and I love that you're pointing out that it's not just the system that affects us, but we affect the system. But yes, it can be slow progress, and I think that can be immensely frustrating. I certainly feel that frustration too.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>07:58

Yeah, well, that leads us into your story, right? I mean, you got here by a path that had you exploring how these tensions exist in your own life. Right? Did you want to spend a minute telling us about that?

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>08:12

Yeah, sure. So, I was on the tried and true academic path. I was a researcher. And before I had kids, I was really hell bent on staying on that tried and true path. I really, I love science. I love psychology. I was at a wonderful institution, so actually there. And when I became a parent, to my first son, who is 10, I now have three boys. I was just sort of shaking because it was sort of surprising how hard it was to stay motivated and focused on my career. And yet, I didn't want to back away from my career because I really did love it, but I also wasn't comfortable, sort of maintaining the same kind of position that I had had before. And it was surprising to me because I had always been surrounded by amazingly brilliant academics who were also terrific parents. It was not like a judgement of how anybody else was parenting, it was more that I didn't want to be away from my kid for 40 to 50 hours a week.

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And so I went through this long year of really painful self-reflection and using a lot of the skills that I talked about in my writing to really dig deep and figure out what was possible, you know, given my situation, given the financial constraints of my life, given my partner's work, and given who I am, which is an ambitious person who really likes to be creative in the outside world and use my intellect in ways that for me are interesting. But also, you know, a person that really wanted to be really deeply engaged as a parent. And at the end of that year, I ended up backing down from sort of pulling back a little bit in my effort in my academic work, and that was a really difficult position to be into. So, it was really privileged because I had supportive mentors and colleagues who are totally fine with me pulling back a little bit It ended up being really hard for me socially because I did not really fit in anywhere. In academia, you do not have part time people. And there is a good reason for that. I mean, academic work is really intense, you have brilliant people working day and night to make progress. And part time effort really doesn't cut it is the reality. And so, I wasn't doing as well as the truth. And I felt that, and I also socially felt kind of out of it. Like I was not really inside of the academic world as much as I used to be. And I also was not at all a stay at home parent. And so, I didn't really fit in there. So socially, it was really interesting.

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And so, but I did a lot of thinking and a lot of sort of, again, reflecting on my values and which way I wanted to go. And I ended up in 2014, writing an essay about it that landed the New York Times, totally random lightning strike of luck. I actually wrote it during my kid’s, I at that time had two kids, I wrote it during their nap time. And then at the end of that time is I heard them calling, I Googled "submit op ed piece" and at the top it said you know instructions to say submit to the New York Times and amazingly got in and it sort of just opened up this new career path of writing about working parenthood from kind of a combined academic, scientifically informed perspective, but also one that was really clinically informed as well as personally informed.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:16

Okay. And so, I know that you now have a private practice. And you are also in academia. And you are also a parent...

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>11:25

..a podcast co-host.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:27

Yes, yeah. Yeah. As I know it can be...

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>11:30

...as you know, it does not take any time.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:32

No. Yeah. And so, in a way, it seems like you've kind of multiplied the kinds of conflicts that have the potential to exist in your life. And I wonder if Is there a way to segue from the tensions that you've experienced into one of the more general topics that are ways in which families experience with work-life conflict, which of those have you experienced?

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>11:55

All of them. No..

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:57

All of them are the same. .

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<strong>Dr. Schonbrun  </strong>11:58

Yeah. At the same time. Well, and if Interestingly, I mean, I think you are pointing something out that is really true, which is I do experience a lot of work-family conflict. And I also experienced this other phenomenon that I write a lot about, which is called work-family enrichment. I experience both. And what is I think underdiscussed in the public sphere is how parenting and professional roles can really complement one another. And that does not mean that they do not also conflict I mean that that is a true reality. And Jen, I hope it is okay for me to disclose we this is our second recording of this episode. Because what happened in the first recording is I botched it. And the reason they botched it is I tried to do it at home, it was kind of a gamble. I put my three-year-old to bed to nap and I told my oldest if he is not sleeping, can you just take care of it because I need some quiet to do this interview. And my oldest took care of it. But my three-year-old had to go to the bathroom and I heard the shuffling in the background. It was really distracting, and I could not focus. There is just sometimes where I do it very badly. It is the truth. And I think this gets to something that you said in your introduction, which is the role of self-compassion. And so, I engage a lot of self-compassion when things do not go well. And I hope that you, at some point have an entire episode dedicated to self-compassion, because it is such a powerful construct.

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But in brief, it has three components. So, the first is mindfulness to kind of making space for whatever it is that you are feeling, in my case, embarrassment and sort of frustration and disappointment, sometimes kind of anger. Like I wish I had more help with the kids, especially now that we are in a pandemic, and childcare has gone out the window. So, the first component is mindfulness. The second component is self-kindness, to sync the kinds of things to yourself that you would say to a friend who is struggling, so you wouldn't call up a friend who had botched an interview and say, “Wow, you did a really bad job. You should really be embarrassed, and you know, have your tail between your legs.” You'd say, “You know what? We're all human.” Like you were carrying a lot that day. You did as best you could. Forgive yourself, you can see if you can rerecord. You would say kind, supportive, encouraging things. And so if you can say those kinds of things to yourself, and, and it is like a muscle, I think for a lot of people who have that really critical voice, it's a really hard thing to do but practice and it becomes easier. And then the third component is common humanity. So, remembering that many working parents, so I would say, I would venture to say all of us, especially now, have had those really hard days, like you're not alone. Sometimes you feel alone when you are having a rough day. But just remember, you know, this is the plight of the working parent, we are all in this soup together. And knowing that really does ease some of it, and it does not undo it, but it makes it a little easier to tolerate. And then it makes it easier to sort of connect back in and figure out what makes the most sense to do with whatever the frustrating experiences is.

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So that's kind of on the side of work-family conflict, but on the side of work-family enrichment. You know, I think I am really fortunate. I am incredibly privileged because all of my roles really do feed one another like my academic and scientific background, helps me do better clinical work. My clinical work helps me to do better, more applicable sort of digestible writing. And my writing helps me to do podcasting, they will, they will really feed each other. And I think my parenting and my perspective on parenting and my interest in parenting, and in my professional work helps all the roles as well.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>15:22

Yeah, yeah. And that, I think, is a really important thing to recognize that it can feel as though  were being torn in 15 different directions. And in some ways we are and you know, if there's work-family conflict from the number of hours that you're working, and]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/workfamily]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">33ee60e4-850c-4f0e-b6e4-292aad3a552b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/af2847fc-7aad-404d-88f9-e4d0f1088d21/your-parenting-mojo-work-family-conflict-final.mp3" length="63031295" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</title><itunes:title>115: Advertising to Children</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We're almost (but not quite!) at the end of our lengthy series on the intersection of money and parenting.  Most recently, we talked with Dr. Allison Pugh to try to understand the answer to the question "Given that advertising is happening, how do parents and children respond?"

In this episode we take a step back by asking "what about that advertising?" with Dr. Esther Rozendaal of Radboud University in the Netherlands whose research focuses on children's understanding of advertising messages.  Can children understand that advertising is different from regular TV programming?  At what age do they realize an advertisement is an attempt to sell them something? And what should parents do to reduce the impact of advertising on children?  It's all here in this episode.

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<strong>Other episodes in this series</strong>

This episode is the first in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:03

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind 7 Fewer Things to Worry About, subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

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Today's episode is a continuation of a series that I'm doing on the intersection of childhood and money. We started by talking with New York Times money columnist Ron Lieber, on his book The Opposite of Spoiled and then continue the conversation with Dr. Brad Klontz about the money scripts that we pass on to our children. Next, we heard from Dr. Allison Pugh who studies the way that parents and children manage in our consumerist culture. Dr. Pugh is a sociologist who is more interested in how people interact with each other than the ways their brains work. And she also takes advertising as a given and says, since advertising and commercialization is happening, how do parents and children respond? But of course, there's another side to the story. And that's the perspective that yes, advertising is happening and what does this mean for our children? How do our children perceive advertisements? Can they understand when a company is trying to sell them something and can we teach them to be more aware about this or is it a lost cause?

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Our guest today is Dr. Esther Rozendaal. She's an associate professor At the behavioral Science Institute, as well as an associate professor in communication science at Radford University in the Netherlands. Dr. Rozendaal is an expert on young people's media and consumer behavior and Her research focuses in large part on children and advertising. She obtained a master's in Business Economics from Erasmus University Rotterdam followed immediately by an MSc in social psychology from the University of Tilburg in the Netherlands, followed by a PhD from the University of Amsterdam, for which she wrote her dissertation on the topic of advertising literacy and children's susceptibility to advertising. Welcome Dr. Rozendaal. Thank you. Thanks so much for being here with us. So I wonder if we can sort of start at the beginning and just say, Okay, why do companies advertise? It seems as though companies advertise products because they want us to buy the products. But how does this actually happen? What kind of changes does advertising bring about in I guess all people, children and adults?

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>02:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, of course. First of all, for companies and for their brands, it's really important that we are aware of them, right? So if they want to make money, so if it's of course the core business, we need to be aware of all the products that they are creating that they're selling. So that's actually the fact that we can recognize all those products when we are in shops, or even that we can free recall those products that we can say okay, so I'm in need for a new type of mascara, for example. And now suddenly, this brand pops up in my mind, I'd like to have it so that's actually the first thing they like to create in our minds. And then of course, they want us to like all those brands and products that they are creating in all the surfaces they are thinking about. So once we do recognize those products and brands, and once we also like them, then the next step is of course that we are going to buy those products and that we want to request it So especially with kids, is it's highly important that those children start asking their parents to buy.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:11

Yes, every parent's favorite form of advertising this way. Yeah. And so what kind of tactics to advertisers used to influence consumers? And I'm wondering, are these different for younger children and what what age did children just kind of understand these?

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>04:27

Well, there are, of course, several tactics that they're using. And when you look at children in particular, an often used appeal is the popularity appeal. So children are of course highly susceptible to the influence of their peers, and to being popular. So when you look at, for example, the traditional television commercials, one of the tactics that you can see quite often is that they are showing some really popular children surrounded by a group of other children using kind of product or service and being really happy about it and all the other kids smiling and happy. Yeah, they're so happy. And this is actually also a technique that is now used quite often not only in the traditional television commercials but also on YouTube for example. So, there also you have deep popularity appeals. So children are films are also other influencers who are not children themselves. Also, they film themselves in settings in which they are really happy and popular, while using the products and the brands they are advertising. And also a thing which is really used quite a lot. For example, by McDonald's is presenting children with free stuff. Right? So the freebies, the things you can get for free and also this is a technique that is seen online quite often. So also with banner ads. For example, on TV ones websites, there are like, showing things like, Okay, do you want to win a free toy? Do you want to get free tickets for a certain festival, just click here, provide us with some of your personal details, and then you'll get a free toy or two tickets. So this is also something that is highly persuasive for children, particularly, but also for adults. Of course, we also want to have free stuff, right? So these are some of the techniques that are used, but there are many, many more.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:31

Yeah, there really are. And I want to delve into one of those a little bit because I think it's particularly hard for us to get our head around by just describing a literature review in a study. So there was a pretty recent literature review that was done in 2016. And it found a general consensus that food advertising is positively correlated with unhealthy food take but there's a lack of insight into the causal relationship. So we don't know if more children who are watching ads are unhealthy or if unhealthy children are watching more ads. And then related to that there was another study that was actually too recent to be included in that one from 2017. And I'm going to quote it says children who watched a movie with more food product placement and branding were more likely to choose the snack most highly featured in that movie than children who watched a movie without significant unhealthy branded foods placement. And so what the researchers are doing here is they were putting the children down in front of the movie album, the Chipmunks. And then after that these children were three times as likely to choose the cheese balls snack that was frequently featured in that movie as cheese puffs which weren't seen in the film. And the children were saying then they weren't particularly hungry. They were told they didn't need to finish the snacks. They still ate on average about 800 calories or half the recommended amount of calories per day for children aged nine to 11. And so the researchers were thinking okay, maybe a child who sees a character often eating a product in a movie may be more likely to automatically choose that product in the future and then casting even further light on that and even more recent study from 2018 this is really an active field found that children, when you explain this concept to them, they initially don't believe that integrated advertising could...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We're almost (but not quite!) at the end of our lengthy series on the intersection of money and parenting.  Most recently, we talked with Dr. Allison Pugh to try to understand the answer to the question "Given that advertising is happening, how do parents and children respond?"

In this episode we take a step back by asking "what about that advertising?" with Dr. Esther Rozendaal of Radboud University in the Netherlands whose research focuses on children's understanding of advertising messages.  Can children understand that advertising is different from regular TV programming?  At what age do they realize an advertisement is an attempt to sell them something? And what should parents do to reduce the impact of advertising on children?  It's all here in this episode.

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<strong>Other episodes in this series</strong>

This episode is the first in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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<strong>Jen  </strong>00:03

Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We all want our children to lead fulfilling lives. But it can be so hard to keep up with the latest scientific research on child development and figure out whether and how to incorporate it into our own approach to parenting. Here at Your Parenting Mojo, I do the work for you by critically examining strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released, and get a FREE Guide to 7 Parenting Myths That We Can Safely Leave Behind 7 Fewer Things to Worry About, subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

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Today's episode is a continuation of a series that I'm doing on the intersection of childhood and money. We started by talking with New York Times money columnist Ron Lieber, on his book The Opposite of Spoiled and then continue the conversation with Dr. Brad Klontz about the money scripts that we pass on to our children. Next, we heard from Dr. Allison Pugh who studies the way that parents and children manage in our consumerist culture. Dr. Pugh is a sociologist who is more interested in how people interact with each other than the ways their brains work. And she also takes advertising as a given and says, since advertising and commercialization is happening, how do parents and children respond? But of course, there's another side to the story. And that's the perspective that yes, advertising is happening and what does this mean for our children? How do our children perceive advertisements? Can they understand when a company is trying to sell them something and can we teach them to be more aware about this or is it a lost cause?

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Our guest today is Dr. Esther Rozendaal. She's an associate professor At the behavioral Science Institute, as well as an associate professor in communication science at Radford University in the Netherlands. Dr. Rozendaal is an expert on young people's media and consumer behavior and Her research focuses in large part on children and advertising. She obtained a master's in Business Economics from Erasmus University Rotterdam followed immediately by an MSc in social psychology from the University of Tilburg in the Netherlands, followed by a PhD from the University of Amsterdam, for which she wrote her dissertation on the topic of advertising literacy and children's susceptibility to advertising. Welcome Dr. Rozendaal. Thank you. Thanks so much for being here with us. So I wonder if we can sort of start at the beginning and just say, Okay, why do companies advertise? It seems as though companies advertise products because they want us to buy the products. But how does this actually happen? What kind of changes does advertising bring about in I guess all people, children and adults?

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>02:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, of course. First of all, for companies and for their brands, it's really important that we are aware of them, right? So if they want to make money, so if it's of course the core business, we need to be aware of all the products that they are creating that they're selling. So that's actually the fact that we can recognize all those products when we are in shops, or even that we can free recall those products that we can say okay, so I'm in need for a new type of mascara, for example. And now suddenly, this brand pops up in my mind, I'd like to have it so that's actually the first thing they like to create in our minds. And then of course, they want us to like all those brands and products that they are creating in all the surfaces they are thinking about. So once we do recognize those products and brands, and once we also like them, then the next step is of course that we are going to buy those products and that we want to request it So especially with kids, is it's highly important that those children start asking their parents to buy.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>04:11

Yes, every parent's favorite form of advertising this way. Yeah. And so what kind of tactics to advertisers used to influence consumers? And I'm wondering, are these different for younger children and what what age did children just kind of understand these?

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>04:27

Well, there are, of course, several tactics that they're using. And when you look at children in particular, an often used appeal is the popularity appeal. So children are of course highly susceptible to the influence of their peers, and to being popular. So when you look at, for example, the traditional television commercials, one of the tactics that you can see quite often is that they are showing some really popular children surrounded by a group of other children using kind of product or service and being really happy about it and all the other kids smiling and happy. Yeah, they're so happy. And this is actually also a technique that is now used quite often not only in the traditional television commercials but also on YouTube for example. So, there also you have deep popularity appeals. So children are films are also other influencers who are not children themselves. Also, they film themselves in settings in which they are really happy and popular, while using the products and the brands they are advertising. And also a thing which is really used quite a lot. For example, by McDonald's is presenting children with free stuff. Right? So the freebies, the things you can get for free and also this is a technique that is seen online quite often. So also with banner ads. For example, on TV ones websites, there are like, showing things like, Okay, do you want to win a free toy? Do you want to get free tickets for a certain festival, just click here, provide us with some of your personal details, and then you'll get a free toy or two tickets. So this is also something that is highly persuasive for children, particularly, but also for adults. Of course, we also want to have free stuff, right? So these are some of the techniques that are used, but there are many, many more.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>06:31

Yeah, there really are. And I want to delve into one of those a little bit because I think it's particularly hard for us to get our head around by just describing a literature review in a study. So there was a pretty recent literature review that was done in 2016. And it found a general consensus that food advertising is positively correlated with unhealthy food take but there's a lack of insight into the causal relationship. So we don't know if more children who are watching ads are unhealthy or if unhealthy children are watching more ads. And then related to that there was another study that was actually too recent to be included in that one from 2017. And I'm going to quote it says children who watched a movie with more food product placement and branding were more likely to choose the snack most highly featured in that movie than children who watched a movie without significant unhealthy branded foods placement. And so what the researchers are doing here is they were putting the children down in front of the movie album, the Chipmunks. And then after that these children were three times as likely to choose the cheese balls snack that was frequently featured in that movie as cheese puffs which weren't seen in the film. And the children were saying then they weren't particularly hungry. They were told they didn't need to finish the snacks. They still ate on average about 800 calories or half the recommended amount of calories per day for children aged nine to 11. And so the researchers were thinking okay, maybe a child who sees a character often eating a product in a movie may be more likely to automatically choose that product in the future and then casting even further light on that and even more recent study from 2018 this is really an active field found that children, when you explain this concept to them, they initially don't believe that integrated advertising could possibly have any impact on their life. So it seems as though you have some thoughts on this.

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>08:17

Yeah. Well, the thing is with those integrated forms of advertising and these, these types of advertising received a lot these days, right, not only in the movies and TV programmes, but also on YouTube, in different influencer videos. The thing is that it's so highly integrated and embedded in non commercial content that children and adults as well do not always recognize the product placement as a type of persuasion with a commercial intent. So all the possible defense mechanisms that could be there are not really likely to be activated in situations like this. And then what happens Is that the brands and the products are associated with a happy stuff in the movie. So this is called effect transfer or evaluative conditioning. So there are a lot of nice things going on in those movies, right? So a lot of funny things. And those brands and products are placed in parts of the movies in which the feelings are really positive. So those positive feelings are associated, this is really an implicit and oftentimes a non conscious process. So it becomes an association in the mind of which we are not really aware and children are also not really aware about this force. And I really recognize this from my own interviews that I had with children about product placements in in influencer videos, that when you ask them, okay, do you think this really affects you? So they just show this product or this brand in in their video? Does it affect you that you're saying no, no. If this really this doesn't affect me at all, and they really believe that some of those children, they do think that it affects others. So this is the third person effect, right? It's not me, he undercuts me. And this often shows something, it shows that somehow they think, yeah, okay, there could be something here. But what I've learned is that being influenced is not really a positive thing. So I resist the fact that it could possibly have an effect on me.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>10:36

And to be fair, I'd probably say the same thing.

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>10:40

So yeah, I would say the same thing as well, even even now, I know that it's not true, right. I've done this research for almost 15 years now. So I should know better than that. But

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<strong>Jen  </strong>10:54

we all want to think we're not influenced right.

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>10:58

And sometimes, we are Actually, no, that is not true. But many times we actually think that we are not influenced. So sometimes we need just need some proof that we actually are to make us aware of the fact that it can have a major impact on our behaviors or thoughts or feelings. Mm hmm. But yeah, so this is really the thing with integrated types of advertising. It's a less conscious influencing process that's going on and we see it more and more often.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>11:28

Yeah. Okay. So I wonder if we can get into the heart of your research. And maybe you can briefly start by defining for us what is advertising literacy?

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>11:36

Yeah, advertising literacy. It's really it's a broad concept. The way I'd like to define it is that it's a set of understandings, it's in the literature, you can see that the focus is mainly on different types of knowledge and understanding. So first, you have to start with it's the understanding how you can recognize different types of activity. And also actually the ability to recognize different types of advertising. And with that comes an understanding of its commercial intent. It's the selling intent and also the persuasive intent, and also the understanding of the different tactics that are being used by advertisers to influence you. It also includes some understanding of the economic models behind advertising, about the source of advertising, who's creating it with what kind of purposes but on the other hand, in the literature, you can also see advertising literacy being defined as a kind of attitude. And this is also what I like about advertising literacy. It's not only about having certain kind of knowledge, it's also about having a general critical attitude towards advertising. So that include a healthy kind of this liking, so to say, right, so it's more like okay, I just this like this. Unless you really convinced me that this is really a good thing. So it's kind of a certain level of skepticism, not believing the things for what they are. It's about criticizing, it's also about thinking about the appropriateness of advertising. So especially with integrated types of advertising, it's also important to have a certain feeling of Okay. How do I feel about this particular tactic? Is it okay that advertisers use these more implicit wastes to influence me? Is that appropriate for me or not? So yeah, so it includes glutes, all these kind of things. And then I do believe that it's also really important also as a part of advertising literacy, that it's a certain scale of using this general knowledge and these general critical attitudes that you can have to work advertising That you are able to activate those knowledge structures and also those attitudes when it's really necessary. So when you are really exposed to advertising, when you're actually exposed to it, and when you recognize it that you can also try to evaluate those advertising messages in light of the attitudes and the knowledge that you have about it. So that's, I call it advertising literacy performance. So it's really using your advertising literacy, instead of only having it. So you can see a large difference between for sure. Yeah, and

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<strong>Jen  </strong>14:37

I wonder if you can talk us through the main stages that children go through as they're developing and sort of an adult level of understanding of advertising recognition, because I think this doesn't come at an early age and it doesn't come all at once, right?

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>14:51

No, no, no, no, it definitely develops when children get older. So when you look at the literature, what it says about family Young children is that they are able to recognize clear forms of advertising. So for example, television commercials, children around the age of five, and recognize these commercials as being an ad, and I have a five year old son myself, and this year around Christmas, I really became aware of the fact that around the age of five, they start recognizing those advertisements on television only he also watches YouTube in there. It's a totally different story. But what's also interesting is that so he said, okay, Mommy, this is advertising. So I asked him, okay, so do you know what advertising is? And he said, No, it doesn't matter. It's just fun. So, what you can see here is that when children are younger, they are probably able to recognize those clear forms of advertising, but they are not yet able to understand the whole commercial intent behind it. The only thing is He could explain to me was that Yeah, so I know that all these things, I can put it on my wish list, right. And I can get it for Christmas. And I'm like, Okay, so that's, of course, one of the basic elements of advertising that is provide you with information of all the things that are in store. But that's just a basic understanding. And you can see it in the literature as well with those young children. And when they get older, you can see that their brain is developing, of course, so they're developing a certain theory of mind. And that's actually the ability to think from the perspective of someone else, and also did his theory of mind as different layers. But basically, it really means that when children get older, they are more and more able to understand that there are other people at ISIS in this respect, that might have this Front thoughts than they have, and that might have different intentions than they have. So first, they need to be able to understand these different perspectives before they are able to understand that there are advertisers that want to persuade them to sell products, and then also to make money. So you can see that around the age of eight children are well, better able to understand perspective, a different perspective and that they are also better able to understand the intentions of advertisers and all sorts of different persuasive tactics.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>17:35

Okay, and then there's sort of another level that comes in at around age 13, isn't there?

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<strong>Dr. Rozendaal  </strong>17:41

Yeah, well, and that also has to do quite a lot to do with critical thinking. So around the age of 12, or 13, children are much better able to think about abstract concepts. And that's of course, also highly important also to email. Wait advertising and also to develop a critical attitude towards it. And not only so when children are really young, they can say, just advertising is stupid and you don't? Well, you just do not believe what they're saying. But they're actually just repeating what their parents are telling them, and not really, really understanding why they should be skeptical, since that's also, of course, a pretty abstract thing to think about. So when they are older, they're better able of doing so. And then of course, also because they're just gaining more and more experience with advertising, and not only with the clear types, like television commercials, but also online types of advertising, integrated forms of advertising, since they are more experienced, they are also better able to grasp what's going on. Mm hmm.

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<strong>Jen  </strong>18:50

Yeah. And so the majority of parents who are listening to this have preschoolers and a good chunk of them are less than five years...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/advertising]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1fd5b571-af1c-4c01-be7b-b59d13b2191f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0814fbb4-519b-421c-88ee-c92bb229c763/your-parenting-mojo-advertising-final.mp3" length="62667671" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>114: How to stop ‘Othering’ and instead ‘Build Belonging’</title><itunes:title>114: Othering</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I had originally approached today's topic of Othering through a financial lens, as part of the series of episodes on the intersection of parenting and money (previous episodes have been on NYT Money colunist Ron Lieberman's book <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">The Opposite of Spoiled</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">How to Pass on Mental Wealth to your Child</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">The Impact of Consumerism on Parenting</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">How to Set Up A Play Room</a>.  The series will conclude in the coming weeks with episodes on advertising and materialism).

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I kept seeing questions in parenting groups: How can I teach my child about volunteering?  How can I donate the stuff we don't need without making the recipient feel less than us?

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And, of course, after the Black Lives Matter movement began its recent up-swing of activity, the topic took on a new life that's more closely related to my guest's work: viewing othering through the lens of race.

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My guest, Dr. John A. Powell, is an internationally recognized expert in the areas of civil rights and civil liberties and a wide range of issues including race, structural racism, ethnicity, housing, poverty, and democracy. He is the Director of the Othering &amp; Belonging Institute (formerly Haas Institute for a Fair and Inclusive Society), which supports research to generate specific prescriptions for changes in policy and practice that address disparities related to race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, disability, and socioeconomics in California and nationwide. In addition to being a Professor of Law and Professor of African American Studies and Ethnic Studies at the University of California, Berkeley, Professor powell holds the Robert D. Haas Chancellor’s Chair in Equity and Inclusion.

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Our conversation was wide-ranging and touched on a host of topics and thinkers, which I promised to track down if I could.  These include:

<a href="https://amzn.to/310c4IM">Martha Minow's book Making All The Difference</a>

<a href="https://e-revistas.uc3m.es/index.php/FONS/article/download/2529/1705">Aristotle's theory of Arithmetic and Geometric Equality</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3hO5FGv">Judith Butler's book Gender Trouble </a>

<a href="https://www.iadb.org/en/news/webstories/2001-07-01/amartya-sen-and-the-thousand-faces-of-poverty%2C9286.html#:~:text=According%20to%20Sen%2C%20being%20poor,social%20requirements%20of%20the%20environment.">Amartya Sen's idea that poverty is not a lack of stuff, but a lack of belonging</a>

<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721417738825">Dr. Susan Fiske's work on the connection between liking and competence</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YTLgaz">Lisa Delpit's book Other People's Children</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2CkToJk">Dr. Gordon Allport's book The Nature of Prejudice</a>

<a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/methodological-individualism/">Max Weber's idea of methodological individualism</a>

<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_Places">The movie Trading Places</a> (I still haven't seen it!)

<a href="http://www.johnapowell.org/blog">This blog post touches on Dr. powell's idea of the danger of allyship</a>

<a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/#ConCit">John Rawls' idea that citizens are reasonable and rational</a>

<a href="https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html#:~:text=Maslow's%20hierarchy%20of%20needs%20is,hierarchical%20levels%20within%20a%20pyramid.&amp;text=From%20the%20bottom%20of%20the,esteem%2C%20and%20self%2Dactualization.">Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs</a>

<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=lQfWDQAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PA46&amp;lpg=PA46&amp;dq=bernstein+regulative+ideal&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=XL7bQp2TKX&amp;sig=ACfU3U3GoGOxP7NAQtqgK5iPdfI7z8SrPQ&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjB0_vij5PqAhWwGTQIHZ2uA54Q6AEwAXoECA4QAQ#v=onepage&amp;q=bernstein%20regulative%20ideal&amp;f=false">Richard Bernstein's concept of the regulative ideal</a>

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<strong>Dr. John Powell's Book</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3nTCN3X">Racing to Justice: Transforming Our Conceptions of Self and Other to Build an Inclusive Society</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
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<strong>Jen</strong> 01:11

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. In today's episode, we're going to draw together themes from a couple of different series that we've been working on over the last few months. One of these was on the intersection of Whiteness and parenting, and the other more recent one has been on the intersection of money and parenting. And one common theme across both of these topics is the idea of seeing someone who's different from you as somehow other than you. And so I'm deeply honored today to welcome Dr. John Powell, who is an internationally recognized expert in the areas of civil rights and civil liberties. Dr. Powell is the director of the Othering and Belonging Institute at the University of California Berkeley, which supports research to generate specific prescriptions for changes in policy and practice that address disparities related to race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, disability and socio economics in California and nationwide. Dr. Powell is Professor of Law and also Professor of African American Studies and Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley. And is the author of the book Racing to Justice: Transforming Our Concepts of Self and Other to Build an Inclusive Society. Welcome, Dr. Powell.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 02:17

Nice to be here, Jen.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 02:19

And so I should also add that we scheduled this interview way back in February, right? Because your calendar is absolutely bananas. And we're just now talking here at the beginning of May. And so to put this in context, when we scheduled this in February, COVID-19 was something that was happening in China and really didn't seem to affect us very much or like it was going to affect us very much. And here in May, obviously, we are in a very different situation. And so I think our conversation today is going to be even more powerful with this additional context of othering that we're seeing related to things like attacks on Asian Americans here in the US, as well as under counting the number of Native Americans who have the virus, and how the whole world is basically shut down for an illness that's killed a small fraction of the number of people that diarrheal diseases and tuberculosis kill every year. Although, obviously the people that those diseases typically kill is very different from the people we are seeing the highest numbers of COVID-19 cases. So I'm sure our discussion today is going to be as this backdrop. And I think it makes it even more timely and even more compelling to listen to. So, I wonder if we could maybe start with a definition because othering is, I'm guessing is a term that's not going to be so familiar to many of my listeners. So can you start by grounding us a little bit and telling us about what is othering, please.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 03:33

All right, so there's, as you would expect, there are many different ways of thinking about othering and the flip side of belonging, which we'll get to, I guess early.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 03:41

Mm-hmm. Certainly, will.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 03:42

It comes from many different disciplines, from healthcare, from sociology, from psychology, from philosophy, from feminist studies, from political science, each one has a slightly different variation as to how they talk about it. But one way of thinking about it is just when you do not accept someone else's full humanity and full equality. The bus concept as people are not seen as grievable, or people don't count, or in some way, they're less that. So it could be because there are different levels of othering, you connect othering between husband and wife, but not gonna have genocide in that context. Whereas when you have extreme othering of some groups, it also can lead into genocide. And there’s othering that’s exploitive. So, I was young made to observation that to be superfluous is worse than to be exploited. Because when you are superfluous, you can be subject to genocide. When you're exploited, you're not likely to suffer genocide.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 04:47

Because you have a use to somebody.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 04:49

Right. So, there are forms of othering, but sort of broad way of thinking about it when someone is seen as less than fully equal, less than mutual, and it can add to that like maybe a threat. In some sense, we're in different slow to some ways of thinking about it.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 05:07

Okay, and so I'm trying to think about this from a psychological perspective and thinking about we've talked a long time ago now about how social groups form and a big part of it seems to be about creating this difference in your mind between what is me, what is myself, and to understand that you have to have something to compare it to some kind of other, how do you integrate that psychological aspect into the definitions of othering that you work with?

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 05:32

Well, the psychological definitions tend to be individualistic. And whereas some other definition certainly when I talked about Judith Butler or when I talked about sociology, Steve Martinot, they’re not psychological in that sense, in the sense that one of the preconditions to think...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I had originally approached today's topic of Othering through a financial lens, as part of the series of episodes on the intersection of parenting and money (previous episodes have been on NYT Money colunist Ron Lieberman's book <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">The Opposite of Spoiled</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">How to Pass on Mental Wealth to your Child</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">The Impact of Consumerism on Parenting</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">How to Set Up A Play Room</a>.  The series will conclude in the coming weeks with episodes on advertising and materialism).

&nbsp;

I kept seeing questions in parenting groups: How can I teach my child about volunteering?  How can I donate the stuff we don't need without making the recipient feel less than us?

&nbsp;

And, of course, after the Black Lives Matter movement began its recent up-swing of activity, the topic took on a new life that's more closely related to my guest's work: viewing othering through the lens of race.

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My guest, Dr. John A. Powell, is an internationally recognized expert in the areas of civil rights and civil liberties and a wide range of issues including race, structural racism, ethnicity, housing, poverty, and democracy. He is the Director of the Othering &amp; Belonging Institute (formerly Haas Institute for a Fair and Inclusive Society), which supports research to generate specific prescriptions for changes in policy and practice that address disparities related to race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, disability, and socioeconomics in California and nationwide. In addition to being a Professor of Law and Professor of African American Studies and Ethnic Studies at the University of California, Berkeley, Professor powell holds the Robert D. Haas Chancellor’s Chair in Equity and Inclusion.

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Our conversation was wide-ranging and touched on a host of topics and thinkers, which I promised to track down if I could.  These include:

<a href="https://amzn.to/310c4IM">Martha Minow's book Making All The Difference</a>

<a href="https://e-revistas.uc3m.es/index.php/FONS/article/download/2529/1705">Aristotle's theory of Arithmetic and Geometric Equality</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3hO5FGv">Judith Butler's book Gender Trouble </a>

<a href="https://www.iadb.org/en/news/webstories/2001-07-01/amartya-sen-and-the-thousand-faces-of-poverty%2C9286.html#:~:text=According%20to%20Sen%2C%20being%20poor,social%20requirements%20of%20the%20environment.">Amartya Sen's idea that poverty is not a lack of stuff, but a lack of belonging</a>

<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721417738825">Dr. Susan Fiske's work on the connection between liking and competence</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YTLgaz">Lisa Delpit's book Other People's Children</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2CkToJk">Dr. Gordon Allport's book The Nature of Prejudice</a>

<a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/methodological-individualism/">Max Weber's idea of methodological individualism</a>

<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_Places">The movie Trading Places</a> (I still haven't seen it!)

<a href="http://www.johnapowell.org/blog">This blog post touches on Dr. powell's idea of the danger of allyship</a>

<a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/#ConCit">John Rawls' idea that citizens are reasonable and rational</a>

<a href="https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html#:~:text=Maslow's%20hierarchy%20of%20needs%20is,hierarchical%20levels%20within%20a%20pyramid.&amp;text=From%20the%20bottom%20of%20the,esteem%2C%20and%20self%2Dactualization.">Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs</a>

<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=lQfWDQAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PA46&amp;lpg=PA46&amp;dq=bernstein+regulative+ideal&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=XL7bQp2TKX&amp;sig=ACfU3U3GoGOxP7NAQtqgK5iPdfI7z8SrPQ&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjB0_vij5PqAhWwGTQIHZ2uA54Q6AEwAXoECA4QAQ#v=onepage&amp;q=bernstein%20regulative%20ideal&amp;f=false">Richard Bernstein's concept of the regulative ideal</a>

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<strong>Jen</strong> 01:11

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. In today's episode, we're going to draw together themes from a couple of different series that we've been working on over the last few months. One of these was on the intersection of Whiteness and parenting, and the other more recent one has been on the intersection of money and parenting. And one common theme across both of these topics is the idea of seeing someone who's different from you as somehow other than you. And so I'm deeply honored today to welcome Dr. John Powell, who is an internationally recognized expert in the areas of civil rights and civil liberties. Dr. Powell is the director of the Othering and Belonging Institute at the University of California Berkeley, which supports research to generate specific prescriptions for changes in policy and practice that address disparities related to race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, disability and socio economics in California and nationwide. Dr. Powell is Professor of Law and also Professor of African American Studies and Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley. And is the author of the book Racing to Justice: Transforming Our Concepts of Self and Other to Build an Inclusive Society. Welcome, Dr. Powell.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 02:17

Nice to be here, Jen.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 02:19

And so I should also add that we scheduled this interview way back in February, right? Because your calendar is absolutely bananas. And we're just now talking here at the beginning of May. And so to put this in context, when we scheduled this in February, COVID-19 was something that was happening in China and really didn't seem to affect us very much or like it was going to affect us very much. And here in May, obviously, we are in a very different situation. And so I think our conversation today is going to be even more powerful with this additional context of othering that we're seeing related to things like attacks on Asian Americans here in the US, as well as under counting the number of Native Americans who have the virus, and how the whole world is basically shut down for an illness that's killed a small fraction of the number of people that diarrheal diseases and tuberculosis kill every year. Although, obviously the people that those diseases typically kill is very different from the people we are seeing the highest numbers of COVID-19 cases. So I'm sure our discussion today is going to be as this backdrop. And I think it makes it even more timely and even more compelling to listen to. So, I wonder if we could maybe start with a definition because othering is, I'm guessing is a term that's not going to be so familiar to many of my listeners. So can you start by grounding us a little bit and telling us about what is othering, please.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 03:33

All right, so there's, as you would expect, there are many different ways of thinking about othering and the flip side of belonging, which we'll get to, I guess early.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 03:41

Mm-hmm. Certainly, will.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 03:42

It comes from many different disciplines, from healthcare, from sociology, from psychology, from philosophy, from feminist studies, from political science, each one has a slightly different variation as to how they talk about it. But one way of thinking about it is just when you do not accept someone else's full humanity and full equality. The bus concept as people are not seen as grievable, or people don't count, or in some way, they're less that. So it could be because there are different levels of othering, you connect othering between husband and wife, but not gonna have genocide in that context. Whereas when you have extreme othering of some groups, it also can lead into genocide. And there’s othering that’s exploitive. So, I was young made to observation that to be superfluous is worse than to be exploited. Because when you are superfluous, you can be subject to genocide. When you're exploited, you're not likely to suffer genocide.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 04:47

Because you have a use to somebody.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 04:49

Right. So, there are forms of othering, but sort of broad way of thinking about it when someone is seen as less than fully equal, less than mutual, and it can add to that like maybe a threat. In some sense, we're in different slow to some ways of thinking about it.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 05:07

Okay, and so I'm trying to think about this from a psychological perspective and thinking about we've talked a long time ago now about how social groups form and a big part of it seems to be about creating this difference in your mind between what is me, what is myself, and to understand that you have to have something to compare it to some kind of other, how do you integrate that psychological aspect into the definitions of othering that you work with?

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 05:32

Well, the psychological definitions tend to be individualistic. And whereas some other definition certainly when I talked about Judith Butler or when I talked about sociology, Steve Martinot, they’re not psychological in that sense, in the sense that one of the preconditions to think about othering is when you think about group othering, there does seem to be a mind is set to actually categorize and differentiate and out of that comes the concept of ingroups and outgroups. But there's a lot to suggest that there's no stability in ingroups and outgroups, that people move in and out. And when we were talking about othering, we're largely talking about at a group level, not at individual level. And there's no natural other. I mean, that's the mistake I think that a lot of the psychological literature suggests that you see someone was different. And as the Dean of Harvard Law School wrote a book called What Differences the Difference Make [Jen note: I believe Dr. powell is referring to the book <a href="https://amzn.to/310c4IM">Making All The Difference</a>]. So the psychological literature seems to suggest that there's natural others. And we think that those natural others and natural othering process fall along certain well traveled categories like race, gender, and that's clearly wrong. There's no natural other and there's no natural group. And part of that comes from a misunderstanding of our history. And so we think about, we organized in tribes, and so in tribes we had intimate contact with anywhere from 50 to 150 people. And that was it. And everyone else was an outgroup, and potentially either a threat or a different. But when we talk about Whiteness, for example, we're not talking about 50 people. So the 2 million years that we spent on tribes, there was no concept of Whiteness. And people weren't organized from Whiteness, they're organized around proximity. And race as we know it is relatively new, a few hundred years old. And then the capacity to actually define someone as an ingroup is a sociological process, it’s not in a build on a psychological tendency. For example, there are over 1 billion Christians, they'll never see each other. They have different languages, they have different race, but in some sense, they think of themselves as a group. They identify as a group. There's 340 million Americans and so why is that a group? That sounds nothing to do in a deep sense with 50 people, right? This is a very broad process. And so it's not that I see a person who has a different race than me, and then I have a whole bunch of things happen is that I've actually been constituted in such a way, not on my own behalf, and not on my own efforts entirely. In fact, a lot of this is pre-given. So for example, prejudice can only really exist when there's already a structure in the language and a grammar for prejudice that’s not the individual. So there's a little tension between the way psychologists approach it and the way sociologists and others approach it.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 08:39

Yeah, for sure. And one thing I wanted to pick up in what you said was that we sort of assume that these are essentialist categories that I one thing or I’m another thing, and actually, we create these categories, right? I mean, I'm thinking about the immigration of Irish people who were not initially considered White in the US when they first came over. And so what are some of the other ways that you see this? You know, we think these are essentialist categories, but actually, they're not in any way, essentialist.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 09:07

Right. And so interesting question, I've been a little bit about this so as you suggest essentialist sort of will locate something in the person who's just it’s in your biology, it’s in your nature and change, we have largely moved to anti-essentialist posture, in the sense that there are very few, if any essential categories and even if they were essential, the meaning is not essential. So when I was growing up, initially, race was considered essential. And you read stuff from the 1950s and 60s and races talk about us being biological and essential. And then some people would take that biological understanding of race and then attribute certain characteristics to it. As that started to melt away or become contested, people shift it as that okay race is an essential or biological, it’s sociological. But gender, aha, that is different. And they’re only, you know, a man or woman, you know.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 10:01

Yeah.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 10:02

And some people early on, so that's not quite true, you can be more. And now of course, people don't think of gender, or gender roles as essential at all. And there's no clear human biology associated with it, you have transgender. And so, again, in terms of the Academy, people question if there's anything that's essential. Now, the mistake that people make with that is that they then assume, because we're not essential, and if these categories are sociological and creative, can we step outside of these categories, and live in some way in which there are no categories? And that seems pretty wrong. And the categories don't have to be as rigid, and they can be multiple and they can be fluid and we can influence them. But the way the mind works and the way we work as people, we're always in relationship. And we need some categories to actually negotiate the world. We seem to be taking too much information. And another are saying that is that all of my interactions are mediated. We have no direct interaction with the world or with each other or even with ourselves. It's sort of interesting, my experience and when they say that, they assume they're talking about some unmediated, unfiltered phenomenon. Most people who look at this carefully would say, there's no such thing, that the very concept of reception is already structured. But it's not essential. So it can't restructure. And there are things we can do to shift it. But we can't simply step outside and have God's eye view and just see the world as it is.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 11:42

Yeah. And so when we start to think about things that we could do that are different from othering, one potential way we could think about it is well, I've seen it referred to as saming, you know, we could just say, well, we're going to treat everybody equally. Why is that a bad idea?

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 11:57

Well, first of all, it doesn't work. In some ways, it's basically saying, in order for me to treat you as a full human being, you have to become some version of me. And that's better than saying, you’re categorically different. And I can never understand you. And therefore, I can do all these terrible things to you. It's like, so I have this thing, it's like, because we are both the same and different, dialogue is necessary and possible. And what it means by that, if we were just the same, dialogue wouldn't be necessary. I don't need to talk to you on the same thing. I don’t need to ask you how you feel.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 12:35

You already know.

<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 12:36

You know, it's like, what would I feel? A gentle exactly is out here because she's an extension of me. And the other is that because it were totally different, the infinite other as Hegel talks about, that I couldn't understand. And so his life is a little bit more messy. The other things that are interesting, I find very fascinating, is that the process of suppressible saming some ways an erasure, you know, it's like, it's actually kind of the liberal response to the categorical differences that we made in the past like, Blacks are women, it's like, no, we're all the same. And that all the same, the person speaking, generally is the dominant group. And so then, in order to be a member of society, it means I have to adhere to whatever the dominant group considers to be the necessary thing. And so if you think about something like a Bill Clinton, Don't Ask, Don't Tell, right? Like you can join the military and kill people just like anybody else, but we don't want to hear about your sexual exploits. But from heterosexual, a heterosexual man, I can brag about my sexual exploits. So even in that formulation, you're saying one group can show up and be messed up on the chest for how many sexual exploits I have, but if you're homosexual, shhh, no one would talk about that.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 14:00

Yeah.

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<strong>Dr. Powell</strong> 14:01

It’s different. So the goal is not to be treated as the same. In fact, the idea of equality exit from the western concept come from Aristotle. And Aristotle understood that there were two different forms of equality when he calls arithmetic and what he calls geometric. And arithmetic is when we people are situated the same. And he says basically treat people who were situated the same as fare or treat people who are situated differently is unfair, but when people are not situated the same, to treat them as if they were the same, doesn’t make any sense. We got half of Aristotle's insights and not the other half.

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<strong>Jen</strong> 14:40

Yeah. And it seems as though a lot of what you're speaking to is sort of getting at the idea of denying people agency and I think I see that a fair bit in the parenting world, you know, I'm obviously White and a lot of people who are talking about parenting are White, and schools I think you're very much geared for the success of middle class White children, and you know, in the parenting spirits, it's really common to hear about children needing protection. And often there are specific groups of parents, they're usually, you know, Black or Brown, low socio economic status. And these parents don't care about their children's education in some way. And in doing that, we're kind of removing, we're constructing a narrative where we really remove agency from these individuals. And we say, well, the school knows best or the state knows best. And if only you parented, like middle class White parents did, then your children would be so much better off and so much better able to...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/othering]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">577b9082-9499-442a-ae33-3fbc9ba0b31b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/93b2f73e-2ea5-4d74-9d51-51d0407417ee/your-parenting-mojo-othering-it-up-final.mp3" length="69944863" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>SYPM 005: Getting Confident About the Decision to Homeschool</title><itunes:title>SYPM 005: Getting Confident About the Decision to Homeschool</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

School districts are starting to make plans to reopen - some with sneeze guards between desks; some on reduced schedules to accommodate the amount of space needed for social distancing, while some are going online-only for the Fall semester.

How will your child cope with this?

Did your child adapt well to online learning when schools closed?  Will they find it relatively easy to see their friends but not be close to them?  There are some children for whom these arrangements work well, but for others parents see big trouble ahead.

What are the options?  Even if you've never considered homeschooling as a realistic option in the past, it might now be the tool that gets you through the next few months.  But are you terrified that you don't know everything your child needs to know?  And how could it possibly work for <em>your</em> family?

Join me for a conversation with Dr. Laura Froyen, who is considering homeschooling her two children next semester - even though she has a Ph.D. in Human Development and Family Studies and wrote a dissertation on supporting young children in learning to read, she's nervous that she doesn't know everything she needs to know - so if you're worried about this you're certainly not alone!

We look at what we know about how long children actually spend learning in school (the answer is going to shock you!), how you can work AND homeschool, and how you can get confident that you really can support your child's love of learning - even if you know your child will eventually go back to school.

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Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that's helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE guide to 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind, 7 Fewer Things to Worry About subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us

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Jen

Hello, and welcome to Sharing Your Parenting Mojo. We are here with Dr. Laura Froyen today to discuss the topic of homeschooling. She's thinking about whether and how to do it over the next few months. And as we were chatting about it, we figured that some of the things that she's thinking about right now are probably similar to some of the things that other parents are thinking about too. And so we thought, why not just get on a call and discuss them live and share what we're thinking and what we're learning with other people as well. So that's kind of what we're going to do today. So welcome, Laura, do you want to tell us a bit about yourself and your background first?

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Laura

Absolutely. Thanks for having me and agreeing to answer my questions Jen. So so I'm Dr. Laura Froyen and I have my PhD in Human Development and Family Studies with a specialization in couples and family therapy. I am currently a peaceful parenting and respectful relationship coach and course creator, but I started right out of grad school in an academic job. And so I did my dissertation on how family processes influenced the home learning environment and children's early literacy skills. I'm a big believer in delaying, reading, teaching, active reading, teaching until in a developmentally appropriate age. I've always been deeply curious and, you know, interested in the prospect of homeschooling, but then also not sure if I could ever handle doing it. I have a very strong willed personality, I tend towards control. It's something that being in the respectful parenting world as a constant exercise and letting go for me. My oldest daughter is my best teacher in that way. So I guess I just I'm so glad that I get the chance to learn from such an expert on this, as I'm trying to make a really conscious and informed decision for my family.

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Jen

And I think the thing that stuck out to me when you were saying that you wanted to talk about this was that you have a PhD in a related topic and you've studied reading, and you still feel unsure about how to best support your child in learning to read. And so when parents are thinking, oh my goodness, I don't know how I'm going to even do this. How do we even support my child? They're not alone, right? Even you're struggling with this.

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Laura

No, I literally am an expert in how parents support their kids and learning to be at home. And it's still like I my youngest is five, she just turned five. She had a quarantine birthday. And she would be learning to read if she went into 5K in the fall. And I am so intimidated at the idea that no so if we homeschool for this next year for just the fall or kind of whatever, it ends up looking like that she'll go into a school system and I am worried about her being behind because, like it's, we're not in as a Scandinavian country where she wouldn't be allowed to learn at her, you know, reading at a developmentally appropriate age. We're in the US, and it's the reality of it. So yeah, no, of course, parents are not alone in this. I think like I think I have a couple of things that are coming completely normal parent, like even like all of us are, you know, we all are. The experts make mistakes. We have questions, we need support, and it's okay.

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Jen

Yeah. Yep. Awesome. Well, thank you for, for owning that for all of us. And yeah, I definitely mess up too. And we figure things out as we go. And we move on, we adjust and we move on.

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Laura

There's something so intense about the idea of like, teaching your kids. So you know, like, I mean, I feel so much more relaxed about parenting, just because I know like, we're resilient. Like our relationship is resilient, like attachment relationships are built to be resilient and, and open a bit. There's just something so intense about being charged with our child's learning, you know, and, yeah, so I'm looking forward to hearing about that from you about, like, what are my options and approaches to homeschooling? What do I need to be thinking about?

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Jen

Okay. Well, let's start there, because I think that's a really nice place to start. And it's so interesting what you say about needing to teach my child. And that's such a kind of a Western idea, basically, from someone who has been through school and I went through school you went through school, we have this idea that our the teachers role is to know everything that there is to know. And they hold the knowledge. And the child's job is to kind of wait there with this ready and open mind. And the teacher pours the knowledge out of their jug into the student’s vessel. And that's how knowledge is transferred. And so when we're thinking about different approaches to homeschooling, I kind of think on a continuum where traditional schooling is kind of at that end of it is at one end of it. And then there's a whole continuum of potential approaches to the other end where we just see learning as part of life. And so if we kind of talk through what are some of those, well, anything that's curriculum driven, is based on this idea that the teacher knows what there is to know. And their job is to teach the child and so when you're doing this at home, I mean, there are books that you can buy of 100 curriculum options. And you can go through and you can pick one that covers all the subjects that you want to study. And you can pick, you can just decide to focus on reading and math. And just buy those ones, there's any combination of these things that you can do, and build your own approach to it. But it is based on the idea that somebody somewhere knows the essential things that children need to know. And you're kind of saying that…

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Laura

Like, I don't even believe that. I know!

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Jen

Yeah, and by saying, I'm going to go with that approach, you're essentially saying, I do believe that I do believe that there is a set of skills that somebody has decreed is the right skills for children to have, and where I don't know what that set of skills is. So I'm going to trust somebody else, I'm going to outsource that aspect of the decision making. And so when we do that, what we're doing is we're kind of absolving ourselves of responsibility for needing to know everything our child needs to know and that can feel good that can feel like a weight off our shoulders. That somebody else has decided this stuff is important. It's not just me. And if I follow this, my child would know what they need to know.

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Laura

Yeah, you're speaking to me. Because I am such a perfectionist, a recovering perfectionist, I work on my perfectionism every day. But like, I sometimes get paralyzed in doing something new because I want to do it the right way. Yes, I have this concept that there is a right way. And if I could just know the right...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

School districts are starting to make plans to reopen - some with sneeze guards between desks; some on reduced schedules to accommodate the amount of space needed for social distancing, while some are going online-only for the Fall semester.

How will your child cope with this?

Did your child adapt well to online learning when schools closed?  Will they find it relatively easy to see their friends but not be close to them?  There are some children for whom these arrangements work well, but for others parents see big trouble ahead.

What are the options?  Even if you've never considered homeschooling as a realistic option in the past, it might now be the tool that gets you through the next few months.  But are you terrified that you don't know everything your child needs to know?  And how could it possibly work for <em>your</em> family?

Join me for a conversation with Dr. Laura Froyen, who is considering homeschooling her two children next semester - even though she has a Ph.D. in Human Development and Family Studies and wrote a dissertation on supporting young children in learning to read, she's nervous that she doesn't know everything she needs to know - so if you're worried about this you're certainly not alone!

We look at what we know about how long children actually spend learning in school (the answer is going to shock you!), how you can work AND homeschool, and how you can get confident that you really can support your child's love of learning - even if you know your child will eventually go back to school.

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<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/confidenthomeschooler"></a>

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Hi, I'm Jen and I host the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast where I critically examine strategies and tools related to parenting and child development that are grounded in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting. In this series of episodes called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo, we turn the tables and hear from listeners. What have they learned from the show that's helped their parenting? Where are they still struggling? And what tools can we find in the research that will help? If you'd like to be notified when new episodes are released and get a FREE guide to 7 Parenting Myths We Can Safely Leave Behind, 7 Fewer Things to Worry About subscribe to the show at yourparentingmojo.com. You can also continue the conversation about the show with other listeners in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. I do hope you'll join us

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Jen

Hello, and welcome to Sharing Your Parenting Mojo. We are here with Dr. Laura Froyen today to discuss the topic of homeschooling. She's thinking about whether and how to do it over the next few months. And as we were chatting about it, we figured that some of the things that she's thinking about right now are probably similar to some of the things that other parents are thinking about too. And so we thought, why not just get on a call and discuss them live and share what we're thinking and what we're learning with other people as well. So that's kind of what we're going to do today. So welcome, Laura, do you want to tell us a bit about yourself and your background first?

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Laura

Absolutely. Thanks for having me and agreeing to answer my questions Jen. So so I'm Dr. Laura Froyen and I have my PhD in Human Development and Family Studies with a specialization in couples and family therapy. I am currently a peaceful parenting and respectful relationship coach and course creator, but I started right out of grad school in an academic job. And so I did my dissertation on how family processes influenced the home learning environment and children's early literacy skills. I'm a big believer in delaying, reading, teaching, active reading, teaching until in a developmentally appropriate age. I've always been deeply curious and, you know, interested in the prospect of homeschooling, but then also not sure if I could ever handle doing it. I have a very strong willed personality, I tend towards control. It's something that being in the respectful parenting world as a constant exercise and letting go for me. My oldest daughter is my best teacher in that way. So I guess I just I'm so glad that I get the chance to learn from such an expert on this, as I'm trying to make a really conscious and informed decision for my family.

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Jen

And I think the thing that stuck out to me when you were saying that you wanted to talk about this was that you have a PhD in a related topic and you've studied reading, and you still feel unsure about how to best support your child in learning to read. And so when parents are thinking, oh my goodness, I don't know how I'm going to even do this. How do we even support my child? They're not alone, right? Even you're struggling with this.

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Laura

No, I literally am an expert in how parents support their kids and learning to be at home. And it's still like I my youngest is five, she just turned five. She had a quarantine birthday. And she would be learning to read if she went into 5K in the fall. And I am so intimidated at the idea that no so if we homeschool for this next year for just the fall or kind of whatever, it ends up looking like that she'll go into a school system and I am worried about her being behind because, like it's, we're not in as a Scandinavian country where she wouldn't be allowed to learn at her, you know, reading at a developmentally appropriate age. We're in the US, and it's the reality of it. So yeah, no, of course, parents are not alone in this. I think like I think I have a couple of things that are coming completely normal parent, like even like all of us are, you know, we all are. The experts make mistakes. We have questions, we need support, and it's okay.

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Jen

Yeah. Yep. Awesome. Well, thank you for, for owning that for all of us. And yeah, I definitely mess up too. And we figure things out as we go. And we move on, we adjust and we move on.

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Laura

There's something so intense about the idea of like, teaching your kids. So you know, like, I mean, I feel so much more relaxed about parenting, just because I know like, we're resilient. Like our relationship is resilient, like attachment relationships are built to be resilient and, and open a bit. There's just something so intense about being charged with our child's learning, you know, and, yeah, so I'm looking forward to hearing about that from you about, like, what are my options and approaches to homeschooling? What do I need to be thinking about?

&nbsp;

Jen

Okay. Well, let's start there, because I think that's a really nice place to start. And it's so interesting what you say about needing to teach my child. And that's such a kind of a Western idea, basically, from someone who has been through school and I went through school you went through school, we have this idea that our the teachers role is to know everything that there is to know. And they hold the knowledge. And the child's job is to kind of wait there with this ready and open mind. And the teacher pours the knowledge out of their jug into the student’s vessel. And that's how knowledge is transferred. And so when we're thinking about different approaches to homeschooling, I kind of think on a continuum where traditional schooling is kind of at that end of it is at one end of it. And then there's a whole continuum of potential approaches to the other end where we just see learning as part of life. And so if we kind of talk through what are some of those, well, anything that's curriculum driven, is based on this idea that the teacher knows what there is to know. And their job is to teach the child and so when you're doing this at home, I mean, there are books that you can buy of 100 curriculum options. And you can go through and you can pick one that covers all the subjects that you want to study. And you can pick, you can just decide to focus on reading and math. And just buy those ones, there's any combination of these things that you can do, and build your own approach to it. But it is based on the idea that somebody somewhere knows the essential things that children need to know. And you're kind of saying that…

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Laura

Like, I don't even believe that. I know!

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Jen

Yeah, and by saying, I'm going to go with that approach, you're essentially saying, I do believe that I do believe that there is a set of skills that somebody has decreed is the right skills for children to have, and where I don't know what that set of skills is. So I'm going to trust somebody else, I'm going to outsource that aspect of the decision making. And so when we do that, what we're doing is we're kind of absolving ourselves of responsibility for needing to know everything our child needs to know and that can feel good that can feel like a weight off our shoulders. That somebody else has decided this stuff is important. It's not just me. And if I follow this, my child would know what they need to know.

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Laura

Yeah, you're speaking to me. Because I am such a perfectionist, a recovering perfectionist, I work on my perfectionism every day. But like, I sometimes get paralyzed in doing something new because I want to do it the right way. Yes, I have this concept that there is a right way. And if I could just know the right way, what the right way it would be right. It's just, and I have dedicated my children's life to trusting them. Why wouldn't I trust them in their education? And their learning process? It's just this there's this big disconnect. Yeah, I feel like what it isn't, is there a process of like, like unschooling yourself?

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Jen

There is there is obviously there is. Yeah, and that's the reason you're feeling this cognitive dissonance.

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Laura

That’s the word.

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Jen

Yeah. I mean, you know, one thing you believe it to be true, and yet you grew up In a system that taught you that another way was the right way to do things you feel in your bones that trusting your children is the right thing to do. But you were told in school for a couple of decades, that you don't trust children that you tell children what they need to learn, and you were told what you needed to learn. And that's why you're feeling this. That's why you're having such a hard time with this. And we're not alone. I was lucky enough to see this when my daughter Carys was you know, she was two or three at the time, and I saw, okay, well, if I believe this about learning, how can I put her in that environment? And so I had years to figure this out. And now parents are they're feeling this discrepancy, and they have weeks to figure it out. And so…

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Laura

Clearly there’s a sense of urgency.

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Jen

Yeah, that's why you're feeling stressed. And so okay, so let's keep going through our potential curriculum options, or potential approaches to schooling. So you're kind of moving towards more self-directed Charlotte Mason is a name that gets thrown around a lot. You've probably heard of it. She was an Englishwoman Who Lived In the early 1900s, and she had these kind of three philosophies or three ideas that underpin her philosophy. Your values shape your child's education, cultivating good habits is important, and based on her background that include very heavy religious values. And thirdly, we should give children living thoughts and ideas, not just dry facts. So ideas to understand not facts to remember. And so that sounds pretty good, although there tend to be ideas about what are the right ideas. And it's not the child's place to determine what those right ideas are. The parent’s place to determine what those ideas are.

So there's that and then classical homeschooling is another method where you have these kind of three stages of learning. The grammar stage where you're you really are kind of doing rote memorization, you're learning facts. And then as the child gets a little bit older, they begin to be able to apply reasoning to knowledge. And then the third phase is rhetoric where we're applying wisdom and judgment. And so you can already probably see already the discrepancy between these approaches between Charlotte Mason between classical homeschooling, either we're living thoughts and ideas with Charlotte Mason, or we're saying that we need to memorize dry facts. That's what that's the work of early childhood because the child is incapable of reasoning early on and therefore they have to wait to do that. So which is it? How can we figure that out? And so what you'll often find with these approaches homeschooling is that whoever's approach you end up falling will say all the other approaches are wrong. If you do it my way, you'll be golden. And so just keep going through these and we'll kind of tie it together.

So you probably have heard of Montessori and Waldorf and Montessori - with its focus on personal responsibility and Waldorf kind of bringing in mystical elements. And so there are homeschooling approaches that you can use that are pretty similar to the kinds of things that you have seen in preschools with the same name. Unit studies where you're kind of allowing the child to live with a topic for a certain time, so maybe they might explore the History and Geography and literacy and math angles to whatever is the topic they're interested in. pretty often as the adult that picks the unit and says, Hey, we're gonna learn about ancient Rome. And then you explore it from all angles. So that can be more interesting as a child, although it's definitely more interesting to them if they are allowed to pick the unit. And the parent may also supplement with a curriculum. So if we feel like we're not getting enough math with ancient Rome, then we'll maybe we'll do math curriculum on the side. And then kind of where we're ending up here is with more child led approaches to learning.

And so with the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education, you're really focusing on following the child's interests. And there's a heavy emphasis on what's called the co-creation of knowledge. So the idea that knowledge isn't some thing that you can put into somebody's mind. But through having this conversation, we are co creating knowledge. We are developing both of our ideas about what it means to homeschool. So that's an approach that I really like.

And then sort of the opposite end from the school approach is unschooling. Conveniently named school or unschool, which sees learning in life is inextricably linked. And by living life, the child learns. So when a child is in school, what we're saying to them is, you're not ready to live life, you're going to be here you're going to do this stuff that we're telling you is meaningful. And when we deem you ready, we'll let you out into the world and you can live life. What unschooling says is that learning comes through living life, and by living life, we are doing our work. This is the work of a life of childhood, of adulthood, of our entire lives. And so when we're interested in something, we will learn about it when we need to learn something, we'll learn about it. I know you just started a podcast, you have probably had a fairly steep learning curve for the number of things. You're not an expert in podcasting yet. You've learned enough to be able to record and release an episode. And when there's something you find you can't do, you're going to Google “The thing I can't do” and you're going to learn how to do that task. That's how we learn in real life. We don't have this, you know, I'm going to be a podcaster. And so I'm going to learn everything about the recording software I'm going to use. Why would you do that?

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Laura

Right. Why would you? Learn as you need it. Yeah

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Jen

Yes, exactly. And so that's more about kind of what unschooling does. It says, we're going to take this as far as we want to take if I want to learn everything about dinosaurs or ancient Rome, I'm going to absorb because I'm just fascinated with this stuff. And there are other things that I just need to know the bare minimum right now. When I need more, I'll tack on more.

So let me pause there and just I want to hear your reactions and what's calling to you and what feels comfortable and what feels super scary, but really interesting, anyway.

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Laura

Yeah. So in the past couple months of being at home with my daughter, we, you know, so part of like, with my older one, like we're both stubborn, and so, like, even as much as I kind of wanted to homeschool, like when she turned three I was like, “This is not going to work for us” We just butted heads. Like even if I ever tried to teach her something. She knows I'm a feelings doctor. Like that's what we say like a therapist. This was the feelings doctor. She would much rather learn about emotions and feelings from her guidance counselor than from her mother, you know, like it just like there was just multiple relationships. I like it got too complicated.

Anyway, so when we got into kind of our saver at home orders, we were learning at home, her teachers with assignments that she was not interested in doing. And it was this big battle and my relationship with her was way more important. So we just didn't do them. And she's a very self-motivated learner. And I sat down with her teacher about two weeks in and I was like, This is not working for us. I'm happy to turn in what she's writing and reading kind of on her own, but I'm not gonna make her do these assignments. And her teacher was like, that's totally fine. Like, All I care about is that she's writing and reading really.

And so like so today. She had some assignments from her teacher where they were given a virtual field trip to an aquarium, like an aquarium in Georgia. And all of her assignments, her math and reading and her writing were all based on that. And she like, loved it. And she loves marine biology. She loves ocean life. She did way more than what was required of her. She filled her notebook with like, for small space writing, like full of pages and math problems. And, like, I mean, just facts and stuff to do above and beyond what was asked because it was interesting to her and I just like I can see us doing that. What do you want? You know, what do you want to do today? Like what would be good for you today? Oh, yeah, I can see us doing that. Um, it's just hard. It's scary to think about like, especially like with math. I think math is the thing with her. She loves it and she likes learning about it. She likes to do worksheets. I just don't know how that all fits in. I don't know.

&nbsp;

Jen

Yeah. Yeah, no worries. And I think that is in a way that teach you got lucky that she picked a topic that your daughter is interested in. If she had picked the desert, then your daughter probably would have said, I don't care about the desert. I don't want to do this. I'm not doing it and you would have been in your usual battle. And the reason that it didn't go that way is because the teacher landed on something that happened to be of interest to her, probably half the class doesn't care about.

&nbsp;

Laura

I don't battle with those things. Like I drop the rope and like, I'm not doing this great, we'll do...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/homeschool]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2b6ab60f-3ef5-47e2-9c3a-19b8035158cd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/db4eaf86-a743-49f7-8cbd-dfd644a8bf86/your-parenting-mojo-homeschooling-final.mp3" length="54943263" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>113: No Self, No Problem</title><itunes:title>113: No Self No Problem</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[If you heard the recent episode on Parental Burnout, you'll know that our identities can become really confusing when we become parents, especially for women.  On one hand, society tells us that we have to work hard and do well so we can Achieve The Dream.  And on the other hand, we're told that a Good Mother sacrifices everything for her child - including her career.  So what is a parent to do?

&nbsp;

This episode brings together a couple of strands of my life that have been existing in parallel for a few months now. A friend of mine introduced me to meditation as a tool that I might find useful to explore when I was struggling with some personal issues. Not only did I find it interesting, but I also found elements of it that helped me to make sense of the situation I was in in a way that I had not been able to do until that point.

&nbsp;

Like a lot of people, I had the common perception that meditation consists of sitting quietly on the floor cross-legged with thumb and pointing finger touching, saying ‘ommmm’ but when I looked into the research on mindfulness stress reduction that perception went away pretty fast. It had been shown in the scientific literature to be enormously helpful to people not just in reducing stress but also in reducing the severity of physical symptoms in the body that accompany stress.

&nbsp;

But I was still having a hard time reconciling the thousands of scientific research papers I’ve read over the years on how children’s brains develop and some of these new ideas I was learning related mindfulness. And so that is kind of how I discovered Dr. Chris Niebauer and his book No Self, No Problem. After reading it I was able to reconcile those two strands - the psychological research and mindfulness - and I want to share that with you.  Along the way, we'll gain an understanding of the mind that may help us to overcome some of the challenges associated with Parental Burnout - so even if you're not officially (clinically) suffering from burnout, this episode could still help you to better reconcile the different aspects of your life and identity.

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<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <b>Taming Your Triggers workshop </b>will help you make this shift.

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Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

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<a href="https://amzn.to/3i6DabK">No self, no problem</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Dienstbier, R.A. (1979). Attraction increases and decreases as a function of emotion-attribution and appropriate social cues. Motivation and Emotion 3(2), 201-218.

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Dutton, D.G., &amp;amp; Aron, A.P. (1974). Some evidence for heightened sexual attraction under conditions of high anxiety. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 30(4), 510-517.

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Kabat-Zinn, J. (2011). Some reflections on the origins of MBSR, skillful means, and the trouble with maps. Contemporaty Buddhism 12(1), 281-306.

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Mays, J.C., &amp;amp; Newman, A. (2020, April 8) Virus is twice as deadly for Black and Latino people than Whites in N.C.Y. The New York Times. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/coronavirus-race-deaths.html?searchResultPosition=3">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/coronavirus-race-deaths.html?searchResultPosition=3</a>

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Meston, C.M., &amp;amp; Frohlich, P.F. (2003). Love at first fright: Partner salience moderates roller-coaster-induced excitation transfer. Archives of Sexual Behavior 32(6).

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Niebauer, C. (2019). No self, no problem: How neuropsychology is catching up to Buddhism. San Antonio, TX: Heirophant]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[If you heard the recent episode on Parental Burnout, you'll know that our identities can become really confusing when we become parents, especially for women.  On one hand, society tells us that we have to work hard and do well so we can Achieve The Dream.  And on the other hand, we're told that a Good Mother sacrifices everything for her child - including her career.  So what is a parent to do?

&nbsp;

This episode brings together a couple of strands of my life that have been existing in parallel for a few months now. A friend of mine introduced me to meditation as a tool that I might find useful to explore when I was struggling with some personal issues. Not only did I find it interesting, but I also found elements of it that helped me to make sense of the situation I was in in a way that I had not been able to do until that point.

&nbsp;

Like a lot of people, I had the common perception that meditation consists of sitting quietly on the floor cross-legged with thumb and pointing finger touching, saying ‘ommmm’ but when I looked into the research on mindfulness stress reduction that perception went away pretty fast. It had been shown in the scientific literature to be enormously helpful to people not just in reducing stress but also in reducing the severity of physical symptoms in the body that accompany stress.

&nbsp;

But I was still having a hard time reconciling the thousands of scientific research papers I’ve read over the years on how children’s brains develop and some of these new ideas I was learning related mindfulness. And so that is kind of how I discovered Dr. Chris Niebauer and his book No Self, No Problem. After reading it I was able to reconcile those two strands - the psychological research and mindfulness - and I want to share that with you.  Along the way, we'll gain an understanding of the mind that may help us to overcome some of the challenges associated with Parental Burnout - so even if you're not officially (clinically) suffering from burnout, this episode could still help you to better reconcile the different aspects of your life and identity.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;
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<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-7c00f098-a3da-4ce5-b4fd-e6b5b1c5ba25">

<strong>Ready to break free from the cycle of triggered reactions and conflict in your parenting journey?</strong>

If you want to:

😟 Be triggered less often by your child’s behavior,

😐 React from a place of compassion and empathy instead of anger and frustration,

😊 Respond to your child from a place that’s aligned with your values rather than reacting in the heat of the moment,

&nbsp;

the <b>Taming Your Triggers workshop </b>will help you make this shift.

&nbsp;

Join us to transform conflict into connection and reclaim peace in your parenting journey.

&nbsp;

<span class="cf0">Click the banner to learn more!</span><!--EndFragment -->

</div>
&nbsp;

</div>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

&nbsp;
<h2><strong>Dr. Chris Niebauer's book</strong></h2>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3i6DabK">No self, no problem</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Dienstbier, R.A. (1979). Attraction increases and decreases as a function of emotion-attribution and appropriate social cues. Motivation and Emotion 3(2), 201-218.

<hr />

Dutton, D.G., &amp;amp; Aron, A.P. (1974). Some evidence for heightened sexual attraction under conditions of high anxiety. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 30(4), 510-517.

<hr />

Kabat-Zinn, J. (2011). Some reflections on the origins of MBSR, skillful means, and the trouble with maps. Contemporaty Buddhism 12(1), 281-306.

<hr />

Mays, J.C., &amp;amp; Newman, A. (2020, April 8) Virus is twice as deadly for Black and Latino people than Whites in N.C.Y. The New York Times. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/coronavirus-race-deaths.html?searchResultPosition=3">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/coronavirus-race-deaths.html?searchResultPosition=3</a>

<hr />

Meston, C.M., &amp;amp; Frohlich, P.F. (2003). Love at first fright: Partner salience moderates roller-coaster-induced excitation transfer. Archives of Sexual Behavior 32(6).

<hr />

Niebauer, C. (2019). No self, no problem: How neuropsychology is catching up to Buddhism. San Antonio, TX: Heirophant]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/self]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a6245d44-5bf7-42e3-ab43-dd647bec8059</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/99c79a7c-9659-475f-85b8-c03941f52055/your-parenting-mojo-no-self-no-problem-final.mp3" length="75398707" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>113</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>113</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/38360341-2446-47e9-a889-cc574cb3ced5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>112: How to Set up a Play Room</title><itunes:title>111: How to Set up a Play Room</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[One of the things people email me wanting to know about most often is "what does the research say about how to set up a play room? What toys should I buy that will have the greatest benefit for my child's learning and development?" I'd actually been putting off doing this episode for a while, in part because the research base on this topic is thin on the ground - but also because the idea just made me kind of uncomfortable. I mean, we've survived for tens of thousands of years without play rooms - or even dedicated toys, never mind the incredibly beautiful and expensive ones that are available now! - what could I really say about this? Well, now's the time. Perhaps it shouldn't surprise you that this episode is coming in the middle of our series on the intersection of money and parenting. I hope it offers you some reassurance about how to set up your own play room - if you choose to and are able to. And even more reassurance if you choose not to or can't.

<strong>Other episodes on this series</strong>

This episode is the second in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re covering a topic that listeners have been asking for for ages, which is How to Set Up a Play Room.

And if you hear some trepidation in my voice, it’s because there’s a lot of it in me. And if you think it’s an incredible coincidence that this episode is coming hot on the heels of a couple of episodes exploring children and consumerism then…I’m sorry to say that this is not a coincidence. I was uncomfortable enough with the topic that I felt I really couldn’t do this episode without covering those other topics as well as a counterpoint.

The main reason I’m uncomfortable is, of course, even having the wherewithal to ask the question “how do I set up a child’s play room” represents an absolutely enormous amount of privilege. It says that the person asking the question has so many resources that they can devote an entire room in their house to nothing but a child’s play, and on top of this, they have enough resources to equip the room with a sizeable proportion of whatever toys I suggest that the scientific literature says are necessary to bring about a positive outcome for their child.

But when my listeners ask for something I do try my best to deliver. So here we go!

While we’ve discussed the benefits of play on the show before in an interview with Dr. Stuart Brown, who is the Director of the National Institute for Play, we haven’t specifically looked at toys and play, or the role of parents in play. And it turns out that the concept of parents getting involved in children’s play, or directing children’s play, or providing materials for children’s play is something that’s pretty much unique to Western, Educated, Industrial, Rich, Democratic (or WEIRD) countries – plus Japan as well, and possibly China is heading in this direction too.

For ethnographic evidence on this topic we look to our old friend Dr. David Lancy, who gathered hundreds of ethnographic studies on child development in his book The Anthropology of Childhood. Dr. Lancy reports that Sisala parents in Ghana regard an interest in children’s play as beneath their dignity. Even the face-to-face position where the baby is held facing the mother that is so common in Western cultures is very rare elsewhere. Western scholars consider talking to and playing with the infant essential to promote the bond between mother and infant, but this activity is rare in many cultures as well – the !Kung people who live on the western edge of the Kalahari Desert not only don’t play with their children but believe the practice may be harmful to the child’s development because children learn best without adult intervention. Gusii children in Kenya may try to get their mother to play or talk but will be ignored, because the mother believes that responding would be simply pointless, as the child is not a valid human being until it reaches the age of ‘sense,’ at around six or seven.

A little closer to home, interaction between Mexican children tends to take place through shared work activity, rather than child-centered play. All of these approaches are in stark contrast to the recommendations provided to parents in Western countries - the American Academy of Pediatrics’ clinical report on this topic is called The Importance of Play in Promoting Healthy Child Development and Maintaining Strong Parent-Child Bonds – implying that play has some kind of unique qualities in promoting these parent-child bonds that can’t be replaced by other activities, when anthropological evidence shows that this bonding can occur through other kinds of activities like shared work as well.

Dr. Lancy goes on to try to understand the gulf between societies where mothers simply don’t play with children and those where the absence of play between mothers and children is seen as an indicator of clinical abnormality. He sees the discrepancy as primarily driven by differing parental goals – rather than needing to keep the child out of the way or involve them in productive work as soon as possible, Western parents are responsible for developing literate children who have high levels of concentration, self-discipline, emotional self-control, persistence in the face of failure, cooperation with others, attention to adults and to the material that adults deem it necessary for children to learn so they can be successful in school. Dr. Lancy says that “mothers carefully control the toy inventory to facilitate these lessons as well as expose their children to the artifacts of schooling, such as letters, numbers, colors, and “staying within the lines.” In several Asian cultures parents also use play didactically to socialize the child to restrain its own desires and adopt a cooperative and deferential attitude toward others. A failure to achieve these goals brings scorn on the parents and humiliation for the mother, and could have a materially negative result for the parents if they don’t instill enough filial piety and gratitude in the child that will prompt the child to care for the parents for the remainder of their lives and beyond.

In addition to school readiness, parents manage children’s play for other reasons, like living vicariously through their children’s experiences in sports, as we segregate players by age and deliberately develop their skills and self-confidence. A hundred years ago, children would manage their own games, not worrying who wins and who loses, or even if the game is finished.

So it’s against this rather strange backdrop – where play is found to be something that children from most cultures enjoy, even if they aren’t permitted to do it much, contrasted with Western cultures where parents organize and direct the materials of play and the actual games themselves, that we situate this episode on how to set up a child’s playroom.

Before we get into the toys themselves, for those of you who haven’t listened to Episode 57, What is the Value of Play, for a while, let’s just do a really quick review of the evidence on the benefits of play. And they are many. We can count improvements in executive functioning, including cognitive flexibility, inhibitory control, and working memory, as well as language development, early math skills, social development, peer relations, physical development and health, creativity, reasoning about hypothetical events, and an enhanced sense of agency. If we think back to the introduction to this episode, we can see how well these skills line up with our goal to raise children who are successful in school. A number of these studies do look at play outside of the parent-child relationship, and some specifically look at play where children are provided with objects and “minimal adult direction,” and find more creative play where adults aren’t standing over the child – or maybe even sitting next to the child - telling the child what to do.

This also brings us to an important definition about what play is – while different scholars use different definitions, one of the most commonly agreed upon criteria is that play doesn’t seem to serve any apparent immediate purpose – children engage in it just for the sake of it, because it’s fun. If an adult is trying to ‘teach’ the child something then it isn’t play – in fact, some researchers see the presence of a ‘minimally intrusive adult’ as a contextual cue to play. So *play* is important and useful to children (although play itself may not be inherently critical to children’s development), but what about individual toys? Is there any evidence looking at the impact of the number or types of toys that are available to a child and the child’s outcomes?

Most of our children are fortunate enough to own toys; in one ethnography of 32 families’ homes in Los Angeles published in 2012, the authors reported that family homes had an average of 139 toys visible to researchers, with most homes having at least 100 and some as many as 250.

The researchers didn’t specifically note the presence or absence of play rooms, but the book does include hundreds of absolutely fascinating photos, many of them photos of the material clutter that...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[One of the things people email me wanting to know about most often is "what does the research say about how to set up a play room? What toys should I buy that will have the greatest benefit for my child's learning and development?" I'd actually been putting off doing this episode for a while, in part because the research base on this topic is thin on the ground - but also because the idea just made me kind of uncomfortable. I mean, we've survived for tens of thousands of years without play rooms - or even dedicated toys, never mind the incredibly beautiful and expensive ones that are available now! - what could I really say about this? Well, now's the time. Perhaps it shouldn't surprise you that this episode is coming in the middle of our series on the intersection of money and parenting. I hope it offers you some reassurance about how to set up your own play room - if you choose to and are able to. And even more reassurance if you choose not to or can't.

<strong>Other episodes on this series</strong>

This episode is the second in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re covering a topic that listeners have been asking for for ages, which is How to Set Up a Play Room.

And if you hear some trepidation in my voice, it’s because there’s a lot of it in me. And if you think it’s an incredible coincidence that this episode is coming hot on the heels of a couple of episodes exploring children and consumerism then…I’m sorry to say that this is not a coincidence. I was uncomfortable enough with the topic that I felt I really couldn’t do this episode without covering those other topics as well as a counterpoint.

The main reason I’m uncomfortable is, of course, even having the wherewithal to ask the question “how do I set up a child’s play room” represents an absolutely enormous amount of privilege. It says that the person asking the question has so many resources that they can devote an entire room in their house to nothing but a child’s play, and on top of this, they have enough resources to equip the room with a sizeable proportion of whatever toys I suggest that the scientific literature says are necessary to bring about a positive outcome for their child.

But when my listeners ask for something I do try my best to deliver. So here we go!

While we’ve discussed the benefits of play on the show before in an interview with Dr. Stuart Brown, who is the Director of the National Institute for Play, we haven’t specifically looked at toys and play, or the role of parents in play. And it turns out that the concept of parents getting involved in children’s play, or directing children’s play, or providing materials for children’s play is something that’s pretty much unique to Western, Educated, Industrial, Rich, Democratic (or WEIRD) countries – plus Japan as well, and possibly China is heading in this direction too.

For ethnographic evidence on this topic we look to our old friend Dr. David Lancy, who gathered hundreds of ethnographic studies on child development in his book The Anthropology of Childhood. Dr. Lancy reports that Sisala parents in Ghana regard an interest in children’s play as beneath their dignity. Even the face-to-face position where the baby is held facing the mother that is so common in Western cultures is very rare elsewhere. Western scholars consider talking to and playing with the infant essential to promote the bond between mother and infant, but this activity is rare in many cultures as well – the !Kung people who live on the western edge of the Kalahari Desert not only don’t play with their children but believe the practice may be harmful to the child’s development because children learn best without adult intervention. Gusii children in Kenya may try to get their mother to play or talk but will be ignored, because the mother believes that responding would be simply pointless, as the child is not a valid human being until it reaches the age of ‘sense,’ at around six or seven.

A little closer to home, interaction between Mexican children tends to take place through shared work activity, rather than child-centered play. All of these approaches are in stark contrast to the recommendations provided to parents in Western countries - the American Academy of Pediatrics’ clinical report on this topic is called The Importance of Play in Promoting Healthy Child Development and Maintaining Strong Parent-Child Bonds – implying that play has some kind of unique qualities in promoting these parent-child bonds that can’t be replaced by other activities, when anthropological evidence shows that this bonding can occur through other kinds of activities like shared work as well.

Dr. Lancy goes on to try to understand the gulf between societies where mothers simply don’t play with children and those where the absence of play between mothers and children is seen as an indicator of clinical abnormality. He sees the discrepancy as primarily driven by differing parental goals – rather than needing to keep the child out of the way or involve them in productive work as soon as possible, Western parents are responsible for developing literate children who have high levels of concentration, self-discipline, emotional self-control, persistence in the face of failure, cooperation with others, attention to adults and to the material that adults deem it necessary for children to learn so they can be successful in school. Dr. Lancy says that “mothers carefully control the toy inventory to facilitate these lessons as well as expose their children to the artifacts of schooling, such as letters, numbers, colors, and “staying within the lines.” In several Asian cultures parents also use play didactically to socialize the child to restrain its own desires and adopt a cooperative and deferential attitude toward others. A failure to achieve these goals brings scorn on the parents and humiliation for the mother, and could have a materially negative result for the parents if they don’t instill enough filial piety and gratitude in the child that will prompt the child to care for the parents for the remainder of their lives and beyond.

In addition to school readiness, parents manage children’s play for other reasons, like living vicariously through their children’s experiences in sports, as we segregate players by age and deliberately develop their skills and self-confidence. A hundred years ago, children would manage their own games, not worrying who wins and who loses, or even if the game is finished.

So it’s against this rather strange backdrop – where play is found to be something that children from most cultures enjoy, even if they aren’t permitted to do it much, contrasted with Western cultures where parents organize and direct the materials of play and the actual games themselves, that we situate this episode on how to set up a child’s playroom.

Before we get into the toys themselves, for those of you who haven’t listened to Episode 57, What is the Value of Play, for a while, let’s just do a really quick review of the evidence on the benefits of play. And they are many. We can count improvements in executive functioning, including cognitive flexibility, inhibitory control, and working memory, as well as language development, early math skills, social development, peer relations, physical development and health, creativity, reasoning about hypothetical events, and an enhanced sense of agency. If we think back to the introduction to this episode, we can see how well these skills line up with our goal to raise children who are successful in school. A number of these studies do look at play outside of the parent-child relationship, and some specifically look at play where children are provided with objects and “minimal adult direction,” and find more creative play where adults aren’t standing over the child – or maybe even sitting next to the child - telling the child what to do.

This also brings us to an important definition about what play is – while different scholars use different definitions, one of the most commonly agreed upon criteria is that play doesn’t seem to serve any apparent immediate purpose – children engage in it just for the sake of it, because it’s fun. If an adult is trying to ‘teach’ the child something then it isn’t play – in fact, some researchers see the presence of a ‘minimally intrusive adult’ as a contextual cue to play. So *play* is important and useful to children (although play itself may not be inherently critical to children’s development), but what about individual toys? Is there any evidence looking at the impact of the number or types of toys that are available to a child and the child’s outcomes?

Most of our children are fortunate enough to own toys; in one ethnography of 32 families’ homes in Los Angeles published in 2012, the authors reported that family homes had an average of 139 toys visible to researchers, with most homes having at least 100 and some as many as 250.

The researchers didn’t specifically note the presence or absence of play rooms, but the book does include hundreds of absolutely fascinating photos, many of them photos of the material clutter that sometimes seems to threaten to take over our homes, and noted that “it is not unusual to also find kids’ art and Disney-themed images in public rooms of homes, giving them a very child-centered look that would have been rare during the middle decades of the twentieth century, when there was far more emphasis on presentation and formality in the living room, dining room, and even kitchen areas.”

And how much does all this children’s stuff cost? Well, the U.S. in the mid-2000s we spent about $24 billion on toys each year, with $3.1 billion specifically for infant and preschool toys. The average family spent about $240 on toys and games each year, and grandparents spent $500 each year on gifts for grandchildren. But the most telling statistic to me is that the U.S. represents 3.1% of the world’s children, but 40% of the global toy market.

So children have toys. But how are they used in the home?

One researcher visited a set of 18 mother/infant pairs once a month when the infants were aged between 1 month and 18 months – so yes, this is definitely a small sample size, but the extended visits with each family (rather than dragging them into a lab and telling them to play “as you would at home”) and duration of the visits over 18 months yielded some really interesting information. The researcher, Dr. Doris Pierce, did this study for her dissertation in Occupational Therapy, and she was interested in learning more about “the relatively unrecognized work that mothers do in managing the play objects and play spaces of infant toddlers in the home,” which she says is “critical to child development” – because occupational therapists so rarely encounter the child in their home environment and so don’t have much understanding of how the techniques they prescribe are actually used in the home. Dr. Pierce saw mothers as “the stage managers behind the play scene in the home;” constantly engaged in positioning the infant and toddler for play, selecting toys, setting up the play space, monitoring for safety, and controlling access to areas of the home. It’s work that requires judgement, decision making, and ongoing manipulations of the physical environment – and when you put it in terms like that, suddenly it makes it much clearer to me why we feel so exhausted at the end of the day when as far as an outsider is concerned, we haven’t really “done” anything.

Dr. Pierce found that new mothers often rely heavily on the messages from commercial toy manufacturers to make toy selections, and used these to try to make sure their child had access to as many toys that can aid their development. First time mothers were more likely to fit into this category, and have ideas about what they ‘ought’ to buy, although these opinions were often based on the design, labeling, and marketing of toys. But another group of mothers, who often had less money available to spend on toys, tended to let their children mainly play with household objects and told Dr. Pierce that they didn’t believe commercial toys were important in the infant’s life. I thought there was some interesting rationalizations going on there on both sides – parents who could afford toys rationalized their decision to buy them by saying it was in their child’s best interest, while parents who didn’t have money rationalized their inability to buy toys by saying they didn’t believe toys were important for children’s development. More experienced mothers often had a store of outgrown toys from previous children, and were better able to offer an appropriate toy at the right age for the child, a puzzle that first time mothers sometimes struggled with. It seemed like the primary way mothers decided that the child had developmentally moved on from the toy was when the mother found she could no longer leave the child with the toy and expect the child to be entertained while she did housework nearby. The mothers would often rotate the toy selection to try to maintain the child’s interest so she could step away and get the work done around the house that our culture requires be completed.

Once the children became mobile, the kitchen cupboards often became an important source of toys – particularly while the mother was cooking or washing the dishes, and then as the child matured into a toddler toys like shape sorters, books, puzzles, and other educational toys made an appearance in at least the upper income homes. Dr. Pierce noted that it was usually the mother who tried to engage the child in play with these toys, rather than the child playing with them independently. Of course, this kind of interaction is deeply embedded in our culture as well – when we play try to engage our child with an educational toy we are passing on a message about who holds knowledge and who needs to develop knowledge, and that what the adult knows is valuable and what the child knows or discovers by themselves may be less valuable, and that children should listen to what adults are telling them. All of these lessons are preparing children for success in school, where they must learn that it doesn’t really matter what questions they have, that providing the correct answer to a question that someone else has deemed important is what constitutes ‘knowledge.’

I want to add a side note about something that I’ve wondered about and that may have been bugging you as well - we have a number of toys made from recycled plastics in our house and I know from my work in sustainability consulting that chemicals in plastics – and particularly recycled plastics are not amazing for our health. Pthalates are added to plastic toys to increase flexibility and durability, but have also been shown to have negative impacts on liver, kidney, and reproductive systems. Experiments in rats have found that two kinds of phthalates increased the incidence of many reproductive malformations by more than 50% and reduced the size of men’s testicles. Polybrominated diphenyl ethers were freely added to toys before the year 2007, when new regulations restricted the amount that could be in each toy; this chemical has thryroid disrupting properties. But now we’re not using that we’re using phosphate flame retardants instead, which are neurotoxic and carcinogenic. And you might be asking what these chemicals are doing in toys; the answer is that they were added to the plastic for whatever its original use was, and they stay in the plastic when it’s melted down and reshaped into a toy. So it seems as though yes, these chemicals are very much present in toys – but just the presence of a chemical isn’t the only thing that matters. As the saying goes, “it’s the dose that makes the poison” – and the news on this front may be as depressing as it is reassuring – even if children put toys made from recycled plastics in their mouths, the amount of exposure to these chemicals they get is an order of magnitude lower than the exposure they received through breast milk. And as they get older, the exposure they get through touching toys with their hands and then putting their hands in their mouths is TWO orders of magnitude lower than their exposure to the chemicals through household dust. So it’s good news that worrying about chemicals in toys made from recycled plastic shouldn’t be our top priority – because due to the way we’re living our lives our children are getting exposed to these chemicals anyway.

Once the toys are in the house, Dr. Pierce found that it was usually primarily the mother’s role to offer the toys to the child, and as the child got older this shifted to arranging the toys for the child’s use – and this was the defining factor in the infant’s experience of the home no matter whether the family had a lot of money and lived in a large home or had less money and lived in a small home. Each home play space was unique, but the most common arrangement was that toys were most highly concentrated next to the kitchen, where the mother spent the most time working.

And, of course, this way of organizing the home – and the play space – is highly unusual in the rest of the world. We do see parallels in Japan where mothers often find themselves isolated in high rise apartments with their infant while the husband goes to work, but the home filled with hard surfaces, sharp corners, electricity, and tiny objects everywhere, and only one adult is available for the vast majority of the day to keep them safe, keep the home tidy, and play with the child is something that people in many cultures would think is absolutely batty.

In Dr. Pierce’s study toys most commonly entered the house through the mother’s purchases at toy stores, although six of the 18 infants in the study also had a toys mailed to them every six weeks from a club that had been promoted in a parent magazine. With only one exception in 18, the child’s first birthday gift included at least one large wheeled push toy or riding toy. Visiting relatives often brought gifts, maternal aunts gave outgrown toys, and maternal grandmothers would pass on toys the mothers themselves had played with as infants in a symbol of the importance of the family being extended for another generation. So we can see that the mother – but also the toy industry, family, and friends all play a role in determining the number and types of toys available.

The French sociologist and anthropologist Pierre Bordieu talked about an idea which also came up in Dr. Allison Pugh’s work on consumerism, although I didn’t have time to discuss it with her, and that’s the idea that parents have cultural capital like knowledge, taste, and ways of speaking that children internalize without consciously thinking about them. One of the ways this knowledge is passed on to children is through the toys we give them to play with. So when we buy the authentic $100 Grimm’s rainbow that was cut from a single, solid piece of Linden wood and matches the peg doll and Large Element Stacker accessories, we’re saying to our child:...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/playroom]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9a965230-e824-4955-8d86-1b9276a196fd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2020 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c107994b-dd1d-4412-bb2f-bb10d3862667/your-parenting-mojo-how-to-set-up-a-play-room-final.mp3" length="51637206" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>111: Parental Burn Out</title><itunes:title>111: Parental Burn Out</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you often feel anxious or irritated, especially when you're around your child? Do you often feel like you might snap, perhaps even threatening violence if they don't do what you say? Are you so disconnected from them that you sometimes consider walking out and never coming back? If you have, it's possible that you're suffering from parental burnout.

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Listener Kelly reached out to me recently because she has been diagnosed with parental burnout and wanted to know what research is available on this topic, and on how to protect her two-year-old from its impacts. We did some searching around in the literature and it actually didn't take long to turn up the preeminent researchers in the field who actually work as a team and one of whom - <a href="https://uclouvain.be/fr/repertoires/moira.mikolajczak" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Moira Mikolajczak</a>, kindly agreed to talk with us.

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We learned about the warning signs to watch out for that indicate that you might be suffering from parental burnout, and what to do about it if you are. We ran a bit over time at the end of the episode and I wasn't able to ask about whether self-compassion might be a useful tool for coping with parental burnout but Dr. Mikolajczak and I emailed afterward and she agreed that it is - I'm hoping to do an episode on self-compassion in the future. More information on Dr. Mikolajczak's work on parental burnout can be found at <a href="https://www.burnoutparental.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.burnoutparental.com/</a>

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<strong>The Parental Burnout Assessment, available in French and English, can be found here: </strong> <a href="https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout</a>

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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., &amp; Roskam, I. (2018). A theoretical and clinical framework for parental burnout: The balance between risks and resources (BR²). <em>Frontiers in Psychology, 9</em>, 886. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00886">https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00886</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., Brianda, M. E., Avalosse, H., &amp; Roskam, I. (2018). Consequences of parental burnout: Its specific effect on child neglect and violence. <em>Child Abuse &amp; Neglect, 80</em>, 134-145. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2018.03.025">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2018.03.025</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., Gross, J. J., Stinglhamber, F., Norberg, A. L., &amp; Roskam, I. (2020). Is parental burnout distinct from job burnout and depressive symptomatology? <em>Clinical Psychological Science, 8</em>(4), 673-689. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702620917447">https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702620917447</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., Gross, J. J., &amp; Roskam, I. (2019). Parental burnout: What is it, and why does it matter? <em>Clinical Psychological Science, 7</em>(6), 1319-1329. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702619858430">https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702619858430</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Roskam, I., &amp; Mikolajczak, M. (2020). Gender differences in the nature, antecedents and consequences of parental burnout. <em>Sex Roles, 83</em>(7-8), 485-498. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s11199-020-01121-5">https://doi.org/10.1007/s11199-020-01121-5</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Sanchez-Rodriguez, R., Perier, S., Callahan, S., &amp; Séjourné, N. (2019). Revue de la littérature relative au burnout parental [Review of the literature on parental burnout]. <em>Canadian Psychology/Psychologie canadienne, 60</em>(2), 77-89. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1037/cap0000168">https://doi.org/10.1037/cap0000168</a></p>...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you often feel anxious or irritated, especially when you're around your child? Do you often feel like you might snap, perhaps even threatening violence if they don't do what you say? Are you so disconnected from them that you sometimes consider walking out and never coming back? If you have, it's possible that you're suffering from parental burnout.

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Listener Kelly reached out to me recently because she has been diagnosed with parental burnout and wanted to know what research is available on this topic, and on how to protect her two-year-old from its impacts. We did some searching around in the literature and it actually didn't take long to turn up the preeminent researchers in the field who actually work as a team and one of whom - <a href="https://uclouvain.be/fr/repertoires/moira.mikolajczak" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Moira Mikolajczak</a>, kindly agreed to talk with us.

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We learned about the warning signs to watch out for that indicate that you might be suffering from parental burnout, and what to do about it if you are. We ran a bit over time at the end of the episode and I wasn't able to ask about whether self-compassion might be a useful tool for coping with parental burnout but Dr. Mikolajczak and I emailed afterward and she agreed that it is - I'm hoping to do an episode on self-compassion in the future. More information on Dr. Mikolajczak's work on parental burnout can be found at <a href="https://www.burnoutparental.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.burnoutparental.com/</a>

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<strong>The Parental Burnout Assessment, available in French and English, can be found here: </strong> <a href="https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://en.burnoutparental.com/suis-je-en-burnout</a>

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<strong>References</strong>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Brianda, M. E., Roskam, I., Gross, J. J., Franssen, A., Kapala, F., Gérard, F., &amp; Mikolajczak, M. (2020). Treating parental burnout: Impact of two treatment modalities on burnout symptoms, emotions, hair cortisol, and parental neglect and violence. <em>Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics, 89</em>(5), 330-332. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1159/000506354">https://doi.org/10.1159/000506354</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Cesar, F., Costa, P., Oliveira, A., &amp; Fontaine, A. M. (2018). "To suffer in paradise": Feelings mothers share on Portuguese Facebook sites. <em>Frontiers in Psychology, 9</em>, 1797. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01797">https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01797</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Hubert, S., &amp; Aujoulat, I. (2018). Parental burnout: When exhausted mothers open up. <em>Frontiers in Psychology, 9</em>, 1021. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01021">https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01021</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Lebert-Charron, A., Dorard, G., Boujut, E., &amp; Wendland, J. (2018). Maternal burnout syndrome: Contextual and psychological associated factors. <em>Frontiers in Psychology, 9</em>, 885. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00885">https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00885</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Le Vigouroux, S., Scola, C., Raes, M.-E., Mikolajczak, M., &amp; Roskam, I. (2017). The big five personality traits and parental burnout: Protective and risk factors. <em>Personality and Individual Differences, 119</em>, 216-219. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2017.07.023">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2017.07.023</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Le Vigouroux, S., &amp; Scola, C. (2018). Differences in parental burnout: Influence of demographic factors and personality of parents and children. <em>Frontiers in Psychology, 9</em>, 887. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00887">https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00887</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Meeussen, L., &amp; Van Laar, C. (2018). Feeling pressure to be a perfect mother relates to parental burnout and career ambitions. <em>Frontiers in Psychology, 9</em>, 2113. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.02113">https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.02113</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., Raes, M.-E., Avalosse, H., &amp; Roskam, I. (2018). Exhausted parents: Sociodemographic, child-related, parent-related, parenting and family-functioning correlates of parental burnout. <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies, 27</em>(2), 602-614. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s10826-017-0892-4">https://doi.org/10.1007/s10826-017-0892-4</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., &amp; Roskam, I. (2018). A theoretical and clinical framework for parental burnout: The balance between risks and resources (BR²). <em>Frontiers in Psychology, 9</em>, 886. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00886">https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00886</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., Brianda, M. E., Avalosse, H., &amp; Roskam, I. (2018). Consequences of parental burnout: Its specific effect on child neglect and violence. <em>Child Abuse &amp; Neglect, 80</em>, 134-145. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2018.03.025">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2018.03.025</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., Gross, J. J., Stinglhamber, F., Norberg, A. L., &amp; Roskam, I. (2020). Is parental burnout distinct from job burnout and depressive symptomatology? <em>Clinical Psychological Science, 8</em>(4), 673-689. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702620917447">https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702620917447</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Mikolajczak, M., Gross, J. J., &amp; Roskam, I. (2019). Parental burnout: What is it, and why does it matter? <em>Clinical Psychological Science, 7</em>(6), 1319-1329. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702619858430">https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702619858430</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Roskam, I., &amp; Mikolajczak, M. (2020). Gender differences in the nature, antecedents and consequences of parental burnout. <em>Sex Roles, 83</em>(7-8), 485-498. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s11199-020-01121-5">https://doi.org/10.1007/s11199-020-01121-5</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Sanchez-Rodriguez, R., Perier, S., Callahan, S., &amp; Séjourné, N. (2019). Revue de la littérature relative au burnout parental [Review of the literature on parental burnout]. <em>Canadian Psychology/Psychologie canadienne, 60</em>(2), 77-89. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1037/cap0000168">https://doi.org/10.1037/cap0000168</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Sorkkila, M., &amp; Aunola, K. (2020). Risk factors for parental burnout among Finnish parents: The role of socially prescribed perfectionism. <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies, 29</em>(3), 648-659. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s10826-019-01607-1">https://doi.org/10.1007/s10826-019-01607-1</a></p>


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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">White, C. C. (2017, February 5). Putting resilience and resilience surveys under the microscope. <em>ACEs Too High News</em>. <a class="underline underline underline-offset-2 decoration-1 decoration-current/40 hover:decoration-current focus:decoration-current" href="https://acestoohigh.com/2017/02/05/putting-resilience-and-resilience-surveys-under-the-microscope/">https://acestoohigh.com/2017/02/05/putting-resilience-and-resilience-surveys-under-the-microscope/</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/burnout]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">985ff49c-2a80-40c1-a323-b17588d583d3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/985ff49c-2a80-40c1-a323-b17588d583d3.mp3" length="72533486" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:00:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>111</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>111</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/e38ea318-5d48-4b11-bf9c-1cfdd48a8e76/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>110: How to Dismantle Patriarchy Through Parenting</title><itunes:title>110: How to Dismantle Patriarchy Through Parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div></div>
<div>We began this mini-series a few weeks ago as listener Brian Stout and I co-interviewed Dr. Carol Gilligan as <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/patriarchy/">an introduction to the topic of patriarchy</a>, how it is present in every aspect of raising our children, and the negative impacts it has on our children's lives - both on boys and girls.</div>
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<div>The interview with Dr. Gilligan laid the groundwork for us, and in this episode Brian and I are back for a conversation about what we learned and what implications this has for the way we will raise our children.  We discuss:</div>
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 	<li>Why Brian, a cisgendered, heterosexual White male - an apparent beneficiary of patriarchal systems - is so interested in dismantling it</li>
 	<li>Some of the specific ways we parents perpetuate patriarchy through our parenting, even if we don't realize we're doing it!</li>
 	<li>Why 'masculine' qualities like logic are prized over 'feminine' qualities like understanding the physical experience of the body and recognizing emotions (and why it's ridiculous that these qualities are gendered in the first place)</li>
 	<li>How patriarchy hurts men (mentally, emotionally, and physically) as well as women</li>
 	<li>Brian's top four conclusions and actions to take to begin the work of dismantling patriarchy in our own families (and, by extension, in society more broadly)</li>
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<div>Resources mentioned in this episode (as well as additional resources that Brian and/or I recommend):</div>
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 	<li>Brian's newsletters on why <span class="il">patriarchy</span> persists: <a href="https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGXpyTlznApP8XNin-OV0hblXBvCw">Part 1</a>, <a href="https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part-9ba" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part-9ba&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEUMXn42oqOkIlcaJjmt3gIVYJ6Zg">Part 2</a> (Subscribe to receive parts 3 and 4 when they're released!); <a href="https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0865e7-e7aa-413e-bd27-60947a35b9fd_960x540.jpeg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good/https%253A%252F%252Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%252Fpublic%252Fimages%252F5c0865e7-e7aa-413e-bd27-60947a35b9fd_960x540.jpeg&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHnM5sJMLh0ac3qNUX6WVBjZfKoRw">here's the "two heads" masculine and feminine energies image</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://medium.com/@CitizenStout/raising-thriving-children-parenting-beyond-power-a3a7724a995c" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://medium.com/@CitizenStout/raising-thriving-children-parenting-beyond-power-a3a7724a995c&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHUGEA2JdFnPe93dcCcorF1B0krAQ">Brian's blog post on Raising Thriving Children: Parenting Beyond Power</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.gottman.com/couples/private-therapy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gottman.com/couples/private-therapy/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEfnFcoM5cu6ZXV10obLIEIp25yoQ">List of Gottman-trained therapists</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.comnetwork.org/resources/asset-framing-the-other-side-of-the-story/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.comnetwork.org/resources/asset-framing-the-other-side-of-the-story/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFVLAYsxFFnIWlZOYg8ZsW4tIAipA">Trabian Shorters: Asset-Based Framing</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-Men-Vision-Mindful-Masculinity/dp/1250196248" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.amazon.com/Love-Men-Vision-Mindful-Masculinity/dp/1250196248&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGlXzgss6TWTJSXvt014UAJnBb-Pg">Liz Plank's book For the Love of Men</a></li>
 	<li>The <a href="http://www.sceneonradio.org/men/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.sceneonradio.org/men/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGXgKvN5bb27igV0HDD9ZOLb68NlA">Scene on Radio series on Men</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DapzXGEbZht0&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEiuW7WrB_xSxelhP3H-1fQt0_Jow">Dr. Edward Tronick's Still Face Experiment</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1212910_warrior" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1212910_warrior&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHSlAYgPOq9slHjclF49UfH3iErNQ">Rotten Tomatoes reviews of The Warrior movie</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_the_power_of_vulnerability?language=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_the_power_of_vulnerability?language%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGR_vDcKERN4grkJzXDFfs19KP26w">Dr. Brene Brown's TED talk on The Power of Vulnerability</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB4jNevW3AY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DFB4jNevW3AY&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNElj2oIXcsCM1yG6DJQrI1jr2Yu_g">Dr. Vivek Murthy talking about the Loneliness Epidemic</a></li>
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<div><a href="https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNH073IVP9oBQjO9bNE-PEhOlZ0uyA">This piece</a> from APA gets at the masculinity/deaths of despair link (Ron Levant is great)</div></li>
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<div><a href="https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna130316" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna130316&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHlpltpbBNzQG5Ofu1QgIoTE1iCeA">This piece from Esther Perel is a good starting point</a> for raising boys in <span class="il">patriarchy</span>.</div></li>
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<div>Here's a pretty good "<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gu5fBokqfsL411V06cKVbEQpNYJxqIJ8QZMha8Xn4-w/mobilebasic">s</a><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gu5fBokqfsL411V06cKVbEQpNYJxqIJ8QZMha8Xn4-w/mobilebasic" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gu5fBokqfsL411V06cKVbEQpNYJxqIJ8QZMha8Xn4-w/mobilebasic&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFiYQjcH3ZqQj_Hj_THvzKnkL8eOA">yllabus on Undoing <span class="il">patriarchy</span></a>" (put together by a White guy on his own journey)</div></li>
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<div>Groups that are addressing <span class="il">patriarchy</span>:</div>
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 	<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pg/organizingwhitemen4collectiveliberation/about/?ref=page_internal" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/pg/organizingwhitemen4collectiveliberation/about/?ref%3Dpage_internal&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEA0diCJFcgA1jTMUISOHDWOiNlRA">Organizing White Men for Collective Liberation </a>- a national network mobilizing White men to learn, grow and take action against White supremacy and <span class="il">patriarchy</span></li>
 	<li>Miki Kashtan <a href="http://thefearlessheart.org/mikis-calendar/overcoming-patriarchy-calls/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://thefearlessheart.org/mikis-calendar/overcoming-patriarchy-calls/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFpgaXpZI-rc9pK6g7aG_SIFDXb8A">overcoming <span class="il">patriarchy</span> call</a> (all are welcome)</li>
 	<li>Gibran Rivera, <a href="https://www.gibranrivera.com/blog/2019/5/30/lets-relinquish-patriarchy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gibranrivera.com/blog/2019/5/30/lets-relinquish-patriarchy&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGjMYmNEtME39ulbBT6ICMYiHw7dw">men relinquishing <span class="il">patriarchy</span></a> (men/masculine identified space)</li>
 	<li>National networks like <a href="https://mankindproject.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://mankindproject.org/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNH1hGnrMyWBzo9zt2-GDIuetvsg6Q">ManKind Project</a>, and online resources like the <a href="https://goodmenproject.com/" target="_blank"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div></div>
<div>We began this mini-series a few weeks ago as listener Brian Stout and I co-interviewed Dr. Carol Gilligan as <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/patriarchy/">an introduction to the topic of patriarchy</a>, how it is present in every aspect of raising our children, and the negative impacts it has on our children's lives - both on boys and girls.</div>
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<div>The interview with Dr. Gilligan laid the groundwork for us, and in this episode Brian and I are back for a conversation about what we learned and what implications this has for the way we will raise our children.  We discuss:</div>
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 	<li>Why Brian, a cisgendered, heterosexual White male - an apparent beneficiary of patriarchal systems - is so interested in dismantling it</li>
 	<li>Some of the specific ways we parents perpetuate patriarchy through our parenting, even if we don't realize we're doing it!</li>
 	<li>Why 'masculine' qualities like logic are prized over 'feminine' qualities like understanding the physical experience of the body and recognizing emotions (and why it's ridiculous that these qualities are gendered in the first place)</li>
 	<li>How patriarchy hurts men (mentally, emotionally, and physically) as well as women</li>
 	<li>Brian's top four conclusions and actions to take to begin the work of dismantling patriarchy in our own families (and, by extension, in society more broadly)</li>
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<div>Resources mentioned in this episode (as well as additional resources that Brian and/or I recommend):</div>
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<ul>
 	<li>Brian's newsletters on why <span class="il">patriarchy</span> persists: <a href="https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGXpyTlznApP8XNin-OV0hblXBvCw">Part 1</a>, <a href="https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part-9ba" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://citizenstout.substack.com/p/why-does-patriarchy-persist-part-9ba&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEUMXn42oqOkIlcaJjmt3gIVYJ6Zg">Part 2</a> (Subscribe to receive parts 3 and 4 when they're released!); <a href="https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0865e7-e7aa-413e-bd27-60947a35b9fd_960x540.jpeg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good/https%253A%252F%252Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%252Fpublic%252Fimages%252F5c0865e7-e7aa-413e-bd27-60947a35b9fd_960x540.jpeg&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHnM5sJMLh0ac3qNUX6WVBjZfKoRw">here's the "two heads" masculine and feminine energies image</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://medium.com/@CitizenStout/raising-thriving-children-parenting-beyond-power-a3a7724a995c" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://medium.com/@CitizenStout/raising-thriving-children-parenting-beyond-power-a3a7724a995c&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHUGEA2JdFnPe93dcCcorF1B0krAQ">Brian's blog post on Raising Thriving Children: Parenting Beyond Power</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.gottman.com/couples/private-therapy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gottman.com/couples/private-therapy/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEfnFcoM5cu6ZXV10obLIEIp25yoQ">List of Gottman-trained therapists</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.comnetwork.org/resources/asset-framing-the-other-side-of-the-story/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.comnetwork.org/resources/asset-framing-the-other-side-of-the-story/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFVLAYsxFFnIWlZOYg8ZsW4tIAipA">Trabian Shorters: Asset-Based Framing</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-Men-Vision-Mindful-Masculinity/dp/1250196248" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.amazon.com/Love-Men-Vision-Mindful-Masculinity/dp/1250196248&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGlXzgss6TWTJSXvt014UAJnBb-Pg">Liz Plank's book For the Love of Men</a></li>
 	<li>The <a href="http://www.sceneonradio.org/men/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.sceneonradio.org/men/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGXgKvN5bb27igV0HDD9ZOLb68NlA">Scene on Radio series on Men</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DapzXGEbZht0&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEiuW7WrB_xSxelhP3H-1fQt0_Jow">Dr. Edward Tronick's Still Face Experiment</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1212910_warrior" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1212910_warrior&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHSlAYgPOq9slHjclF49UfH3iErNQ">Rotten Tomatoes reviews of The Warrior movie</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_the_power_of_vulnerability?language=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_the_power_of_vulnerability?language%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGR_vDcKERN4grkJzXDFfs19KP26w">Dr. Brene Brown's TED talk on The Power of Vulnerability</a></li>
 	<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB4jNevW3AY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DFB4jNevW3AY&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNElj2oIXcsCM1yG6DJQrI1jr2Yu_g">Dr. Vivek Murthy talking about the Loneliness Epidemic</a></li>
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<div><a href="https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNH073IVP9oBQjO9bNE-PEhOlZ0uyA">This piece</a> from APA gets at the masculinity/deaths of despair link (Ron Levant is great)</div></li>
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<div><a href="https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna130316" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna130316&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHlpltpbBNzQG5Ofu1QgIoTE1iCeA">This piece from Esther Perel is a good starting point</a> for raising boys in <span class="il">patriarchy</span>.</div></li>
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<div>Here's a pretty good "<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gu5fBokqfsL411V06cKVbEQpNYJxqIJ8QZMha8Xn4-w/mobilebasic">s</a><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gu5fBokqfsL411V06cKVbEQpNYJxqIJ8QZMha8Xn4-w/mobilebasic" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gu5fBokqfsL411V06cKVbEQpNYJxqIJ8QZMha8Xn4-w/mobilebasic&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFiYQjcH3ZqQj_Hj_THvzKnkL8eOA">yllabus on Undoing <span class="il">patriarchy</span></a>" (put together by a White guy on his own journey)</div></li>
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<div>Groups that are addressing <span class="il">patriarchy</span>:</div>
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<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pg/organizingwhitemen4collectiveliberation/about/?ref=page_internal" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/pg/organizingwhitemen4collectiveliberation/about/?ref%3Dpage_internal&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330737000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEA0diCJFcgA1jTMUISOHDWOiNlRA">Organizing White Men for Collective Liberation </a>- a national network mobilizing White men to learn, grow and take action against White supremacy and <span class="il">patriarchy</span></li>
 	<li>Miki Kashtan <a href="http://thefearlessheart.org/mikis-calendar/overcoming-patriarchy-calls/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://thefearlessheart.org/mikis-calendar/overcoming-patriarchy-calls/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFpgaXpZI-rc9pK6g7aG_SIFDXb8A">overcoming <span class="il">patriarchy</span> call</a> (all are welcome)</li>
 	<li>Gibran Rivera, <a href="https://www.gibranrivera.com/blog/2019/5/30/lets-relinquish-patriarchy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gibranrivera.com/blog/2019/5/30/lets-relinquish-patriarchy&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGjMYmNEtME39ulbBT6ICMYiHw7dw">men relinquishing <span class="il">patriarchy</span></a> (men/masculine identified space)</li>
 	<li>National networks like <a href="https://mankindproject.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://mankindproject.org/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNH1hGnrMyWBzo9zt2-GDIuetvsg6Q">ManKind Project</a>, and online resources like the <a href="https://goodmenproject.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://goodmenproject.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGEnfZRIcRbdKeAAInIzNqt1ygfaQ">Good Men Project</a> or <a href="https://www.fatherly.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.fatherly.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1587407330736000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGGKWyGl_GcPB1RmCE4DI_LCFwqMg">Fatherly</a></li>
 	<li>There are now groups in most cities, too, though unfortunately no easy central respository that lists them.  Googling should do the trick...</li>
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Jen: 01:25

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today's episode is a followup that my guest today, Brian Stout and I did recently with Dr. Carol Gilligan on the topic of patriarchy and if you aren't very familiar with what this is and the role that it plays in our lives as parents then I definitely recommend that you go back and listen to that one before you listen to this episode. And I'm glad today that we have a bit more time in this interview for me to properly introduce my guest whose name is Brian Stout. And as with so many of the topics that we've covered related to privilege and social systems, patriarchy is kind of one of those things I might never have considered as relevant to parenting and child development if someone hadn't helped me to draw that connection. And the connection was drawn in a really roundabout way.

Jen: 02:09

Brian actually first reached out to me because he had read a series of blog posts that I'd written on how to do a 10-day hike around Mont Blanc with my then 8-week-old daughter. And he wanted more information because he was planning to do a similar trip with his wife and daughter. And we've kept in touch on and off over the years. But it wasn't until recently that I learned a lot more about his work at the intersection of progressive philanthropy and social justice movements. And so Brian holds a BA in Interdisciplinary Studies from Amherst College and a Master's in International Relations from Johns Hopkins and he has a background in foreign policy, conflict prevention and international development. He's been exploring his role in dismantling patriarchal systems for some time now. And when I read the second in a series of long blog posts that he'd written on this topic, I wrote to him and I said, dude, I think you're one of the smartest people I know and I want to do at least one podcast episode on this topic.

Jen: 02:57

And so he recommended some books for me to read and we spent quite a bit of time thinking about who would be our ideal guest for this. And we quickly landed on Dr. Gilligan for the introduction to the topic. But unfortunately we weren't able to find a single researcher or thinker who is specifically working at the intersection of patriarchy and parenting, which of course is our main concern. And so we're going to have a chat about the researchers whose work we have been able to draw together ourselves. So welcome back Brian. Thanks for being with us.

Brian: 03:26

Thanks for having me. I’m happy to be here.

Jen: 03:28

So, let's start with something that I felt when we first talked about patriarchy a few months ago, we were talking about the podcast and I asked you what you were working on and you were mentioning that you'd been doing a lot of thinking on and work to dismantle patriarchy. And I have to say that my first reaction was one of surprise because not to put too fine a point on it, but you're a White, cisgender, heterosexual male and aren't you essentially the beneficiary of patriarchy. So why would you be interested in dismantling it?

Brian: 04:01

Yeah, thank you. It's a super important question and what I continue to struggle with. I think to some extent I've been in this journey my whole life, but to be honest, I've only been focused specifically on patriarchy for about 2 years. So for the first 35 years of my existence on this planet, I had no meaningful understanding of what patriarchy was or how it operated. And this was despite the fact that I grew up with what I consider a strong feminist mother identified as a feminist since I was a teenager. I took gender studies courses in college. But for me the turning point came when I first read bell hooks. She wrote a book back in 2004 called <em>The</em> <em>Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love.</em> And there's a line in there that stopped me when I first read it because she says, “Patriarchy is the single most life-threatening social disease, assaulting the male body and spirit in our nation”.

Brian: 04:53

And I confess, when I first read it I thought maybe it was a typo. I’m sure she meant female, right? But she didn't. She meant male. And as I read on, I found myself nodding along and recognizing in her words aspects of my own lived experience that I had ignored or silenced or otherwise not had language for. And honestly for one of the first times in my life I felt seen and I credit bell hooks both with giving me the words with which to understand my own experience, but even more importantly the courage to name that was happening. I think most of what she said in the book was not new to me, but it was more that she gave me permission to trust and believe what I had always felt. And I think, you know, we can talk more about the interview with Carol Gilligan later, but I think one of the things that I found so powerful in Carol's writing and research and work is exactly that, that sense of an alienated voice coming back.

Brian: 05:42

And it's exactly the point you raised. I mean, how could I as a straight White man with class privilege possibly have anything to complain about? And so my own dissatisfaction, my own pain, my own discomfort within the system felt somehow illegitimate. So maybe I can just offer one anecdote to connect this back to my life and specifically with my own quest for belonging in this world and that is that as a child or an adolescent and into adulthood, I was always a sensitive kid, probably somewhere in the empath scale. And I'm the middle child, so I've always been very other-oriented, a people pleaser and I sought out deep relationships. I wanted emotional intimacy even though as a kid I didn't have language for that and I couldn't find it in homosocial spaces. So with groups of boys or men, you know, sports teams, for example, homophobia and the fear of intimacy made that kind of authentic connection that I was looking for impossible.

Brian: 06:33

And while I could get there one on one with some of my male friends, usually they couldn't reciprocate. They didn't necessarily have the emotional tools or intelligence to respond in kind. So I found myself gravitating as a kid and as an adolescent and adult towards friendships with girls and women. They seem to better able to kind of hold these types of conversations. And as an adult, I've sought out feminist spaces. But of course the irony is that I don't belong there either. Right? And even to this day, I still struggle to find places where I feel like I can bring my whole authentic self. And even sort of naming that and giving myself permission to hold that as a loss is part of my own journey in this work.

Jen: 07:11

Yeah. And even the idea that you as a man have some conception of what your whole authentic self is. I mean, aren’t you supposed to be just the solid Oak who doesn't really have any feelings and can't express any emotion other than anger?

Brian: 07:23

So I've been told.

Jen: 07:26

Yeah. And just to go back to something you mentioned right at the beginning about what bell hooks was saying about that, you know, this is something that's hurting men. And it made me think of another book that you told me to read, which was Liz Plank's book. And it's new this year, it’s called <em>For the Love of Men</em>. And she really pulls together a lot of strands of research on specifically how patriarchy is hurting men. Can we talk through some of those?

Brian: 07:48

Yeah, I think again, it's one of those things that we sort of know intuitively but don't name and don't think about. So this series I recommend to folks is there's a podcast series called MEN by Scene on Radio. The same folks who did Seeing White and it's fantastic and they walk through over the course of nine or 10 episodes, different ways in which they sort of archetypes of masculinity hold us back and harm us. So the obvious one that often gets talked about is suicide, right? Men commit suicide rates way higher than women. Another one is just violence, right? We often think of male violence as targeting women and it does, and that's horrible, but 75% of homicide victims are male, right? Most violence among men is targeting other men and targeting ourselves. So that's another component. The other one that often gets talked about in most people in heterosexual partnerships can relate to is around mental health and emotional well-being.

Brian: 08:43

Most men don't have language for their own feelings, didn't get the skillset to articulate them. And there's still a very strong stigma in society against seeking mental health support, seeking help in general. I mean, even to this day, I've been in therapy now with my wife for two years and it's so helpful. And even with all that, I still find it very difficult to ask for help. You know, just even with something simple. I broke my foot two years ago and had a hard time asking my wife to hold the door for me. So even something like that simple is really baked in and it sort of has knock-on impacts throughout the way we move through the world around our ability to really participate.

Jen: 09:19

Yeah and the stress associated with dealing with mental health issues in those ways I...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingpatriarchy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8fbdc600-8868-45e7-9707-d099c423ad47</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2020 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0e207624-0e38-4696-8dd7-8f96aa9645a7/your-parenting-mojo-parenting-patriarchy-final.mp3" length="70790708" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:59</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>109: Education in a time between worlds</title><itunes:title>109: Education in a time between worlds</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[It seems pretty clear that we are in a societal 'liminal space' right now, which is a threshold between what we have known until now and what we will know in the future.

We are also in a liminal space related to learning and education, as schools hastily try to move learning online (despite disparities in access to online learning systems), and we have an incredible opportunity to think through what we think children's learning should look like in the future.

In today's episode we hear from Dr. Zak Stein, who has spent many years thinking about ways in which the education system in the United States could be reimagined to take advantage of virtual learning opportunities and 'learning labs,' which gather resources around learners instead of having learning take place in classrooms isolated from real-world experience.  Dr. Stein is a big-picture thinker, and it was really exciting to sit with him and envision the future of learning.

To learn more about the memberships I mention in this episode, please visit <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/together/">yourparentingmojo.com/together</a>

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<strong>Dr. Zak Stein's book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3hYAtsC">Education in a time between worlds</a> - Affiliate link

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Jen 1:46

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. To put the show into context before we get going, I wrote the questions for this episode on the night of Friday, March 20, 2020. And we recorded it on Sunday, March 22, which is coincidentally my birthday and I took at least half a day off. Here in the California Bay Area, we’ve been ordered to stay home for everything except non-essential errands for five days now. And the shutdown has now been extended to cover one in five Americans, including the entire states of California, New York and Illinois.

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Now, I plan to reach out to our guests for the show in a few months’ time. But all of a sudden, on Friday night, I realized that I needed to talk with him now and that we need to hear from him today. And so our guest today is Dr. Zach Stein, whose book title tells you something of the breadth of scope of what we’re going to discuss, it is called Education in a Time Between Worlds: Essays on the Future of Schools, Technology and Society.

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We will lay some groundwork so we have a common understanding of how some of our global systems work, and then we’ll start to look at the role that education plays in the system. I think it’s become really clear to us in the last couple of weeks that many of the systems that we’ve built are unsustainable, and for a long time, that word has been used to mean that they’re bad for the environment. But I think that now we’re seeing that they’re actually not that good for us either. And so what will it take for us to do things differently?

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Well, first, we need to start imagining what kinds of systems we might want to see instead and how we and our children can both live within those and also shape those. So that’s what we’re going to think about in this episode. And we wrap up the show by thinking about some of the steps that we ourselves can take in the coming days and weeks to start to put this in motion. And it was really great to hear Dr. Stein share some surprising and very doable advice on this topic.

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One of the things that’s become most clear to me over the years that I’ve been doing this work is that the way we raise our children may be the single thing that we do that will have the most impact on the world. We talked about it a bit in the episode on Patriarchy a few weeks ago with listener Brian Stout and Dr. Carol Gilligan. The idea that systems that privilege men’s voices over women’s voices seems so huge and so deeply ingrained in our culture and they just seem impossible to change. But if we personally see the role that we are playing in the current system, and we accept that with grace and humility, but at the same time, take steps to do things differently with our own children, then we can actually make change happen. And I really feel like we’re on the cusp of some kind of big shift in our society right now.

&nbsp;

Even a month ago, the conversation that we’re about to hear would have been mostly academic, I think, because it’s so easy to keep following the grooves in the system that we’re in, rather than get out of that groove and create a new system. But we’ve all been thrown out of our groove right now. We don’t have a choice but to do things differently. And we might miss the groove for sure it was comfortable, and it was comforting after all, and it seemed like we knew what was going on, and we could function within it. But the opportunity that I see is that the level of effort between the way that we’re currently existing and the future systems we can imagine, has never been smaller and may never be smaller again in my lifetime. And if today’s conversation sort of maybe helps us similar light bulb to go off in your head as it has in mine, even if it’s only a very nimble but you can’t really see anything else around it yet, but you can see that that bulb is there, I wonder if you would consider coming and joining me in a special edition of my memberships that I’m currently running.

&nbsp;

I was planning to open them on a staggered basis later in the year, but we know that a lot has changed in the last few weeks. And I can tell from the kinds of questions and issues that are being raised in the free workshop that I’m running, which is called The Kids are Off School: Now What? There’s a real need for me to open these again right now. And so I host two memberships.

&nbsp;

The first one is called Finding Your Parenting Mojo and it’s designed for people who agree with the ideas that they hear about in the podcast, but somehow find that they just really struggle to implement these in their daily lives. I know it’s so easy when you’re listening to a podcast, you just kind of nod along and you’re thinking, yeah, that sounds good. I’m gonna do that next time there’s a meltdown.

&nbsp;

And then when you’re actually in the meltdown and you’re feeling triggered, then that thing that you heard in the podcast two weeks ago is nowhere to be found in your mind and you react in the same way that you’ve always reacted. And after it happens, you might even look back on the meltdown and you think, oh, I was gonna do that differently. Wasn’t I?

&nbsp;

Or was there something I was going to do differently and then you just kind of fall back just as we do as a society into our regular group and nothing really shifts. But over time, things just seem hard. And maybe you wonder if parenting should be this hard. Or perhaps you’re just not sure what to do about it.

&nbsp;

In the parenting membership, we take one topic per month and in the beginning of the month, I send you a short guide. And it turns all the research that I do for this podcast into a short set of really actionable tools on that topic.

&nbsp;

Around the 10th of the month, we get on a group call, we see if you have any questions as you read through the guide, and you start to think about implementing the ideas. And then you go away for a couple weeks and you start practicing them. And towards the end of the month, we have a second group call because by then you tried a bit and you’ve had some successes, yay. And you probably have some failures as well and things that didn’t quite go the way you hoped. And we celebrate those successes, and we work through what happened with the things that didn’t go as well as you hoped.

&nbsp;

And we help you to adjust course so that you can refine your approach and by the end of the month, you haven’t just read or listen to something and forgotten about it or even half remembered it, but don’t really know what to do with it, you’ve actually had support in figuring out how to implement it in your real life with your real family. And you’ve been through a couple of cycles of doing it. And you’ve been supported in that, and you’re on the way to making it a new habit.

&nbsp;

And then in the next month, we move on to the next topic, and we repeat that process. So in terms of the topics we cover in the first month, we dramatically reduce the incidence of tantrums at your house, give you a bit of breathing space, and who doesn’t need breathing space right now. And in the second month, we look at what values we want to hold as parents and how we raise our children in line with those values. And this isn’t me telling you what values you should be using to raise your children. But this is you defining these with my help and support.

&nbsp;

In the third month, we will understand where we might want to get more aligned with our parenting partner and use some tools to open up conversations with them in a way that invites them to share their ideas with you rather than making them feel attacked. And we also acknowledge that it’s totally fine for parents not to be on the same page some of the time and we help you figure out which are those areas for your family, and how to manage those. And after that we picked topics by group vote and these may include things like supporting emotion regulation, understanding anxiety in both parents and children, and navigating screen time. All the ideas and tools that I present in the membership are based on scientific research, but the overarching principle is that if you don’t want to, you never have to read another parenting book.

&nbsp;

You just don’t have to do that anymore, because we go right to supporting you and implementing the tools that are based on the research. And given that a whole lot of parents are at home with their children for an extended period of time, it sort of seems as though the time is right to start thinking about how you want the next]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[It seems pretty clear that we are in a societal 'liminal space' right now, which is a threshold between what we have known until now and what we will know in the future.

We are also in a liminal space related to learning and education, as schools hastily try to move learning online (despite disparities in access to online learning systems), and we have an incredible opportunity to think through what we think children's learning should look like in the future.

In today's episode we hear from Dr. Zak Stein, who has spent many years thinking about ways in which the education system in the United States could be reimagined to take advantage of virtual learning opportunities and 'learning labs,' which gather resources around learners instead of having learning take place in classrooms isolated from real-world experience.  Dr. Stein is a big-picture thinker, and it was really exciting to sit with him and envision the future of learning.

To learn more about the memberships I mention in this episode, please visit <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/together/">yourparentingmojo.com/together</a>

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<strong>Dr. Zak Stein's book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3hYAtsC">Education in a time between worlds</a> - Affiliate link

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Jen 1:46

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. To put the show into context before we get going, I wrote the questions for this episode on the night of Friday, March 20, 2020. And we recorded it on Sunday, March 22, which is coincidentally my birthday and I took at least half a day off. Here in the California Bay Area, we’ve been ordered to stay home for everything except non-essential errands for five days now. And the shutdown has now been extended to cover one in five Americans, including the entire states of California, New York and Illinois.

&nbsp;

Now, I plan to reach out to our guests for the show in a few months’ time. But all of a sudden, on Friday night, I realized that I needed to talk with him now and that we need to hear from him today. And so our guest today is Dr. Zach Stein, whose book title tells you something of the breadth of scope of what we’re going to discuss, it is called Education in a Time Between Worlds: Essays on the Future of Schools, Technology and Society.

&nbsp;

We will lay some groundwork so we have a common understanding of how some of our global systems work, and then we’ll start to look at the role that education plays in the system. I think it’s become really clear to us in the last couple of weeks that many of the systems that we’ve built are unsustainable, and for a long time, that word has been used to mean that they’re bad for the environment. But I think that now we’re seeing that they’re actually not that good for us either. And so what will it take for us to do things differently?

&nbsp;

Well, first, we need to start imagining what kinds of systems we might want to see instead and how we and our children can both live within those and also shape those. So that’s what we’re going to think about in this episode. And we wrap up the show by thinking about some of the steps that we ourselves can take in the coming days and weeks to start to put this in motion. And it was really great to hear Dr. Stein share some surprising and very doable advice on this topic.

&nbsp;

One of the things that’s become most clear to me over the years that I’ve been doing this work is that the way we raise our children may be the single thing that we do that will have the most impact on the world. We talked about it a bit in the episode on Patriarchy a few weeks ago with listener Brian Stout and Dr. Carol Gilligan. The idea that systems that privilege men’s voices over women’s voices seems so huge and so deeply ingrained in our culture and they just seem impossible to change. But if we personally see the role that we are playing in the current system, and we accept that with grace and humility, but at the same time, take steps to do things differently with our own children, then we can actually make change happen. And I really feel like we’re on the cusp of some kind of big shift in our society right now.

&nbsp;

Even a month ago, the conversation that we’re about to hear would have been mostly academic, I think, because it’s so easy to keep following the grooves in the system that we’re in, rather than get out of that groove and create a new system. But we’ve all been thrown out of our groove right now. We don’t have a choice but to do things differently. And we might miss the groove for sure it was comfortable, and it was comforting after all, and it seemed like we knew what was going on, and we could function within it. But the opportunity that I see is that the level of effort between the way that we’re currently existing and the future systems we can imagine, has never been smaller and may never be smaller again in my lifetime. And if today’s conversation sort of maybe helps us similar light bulb to go off in your head as it has in mine, even if it’s only a very nimble but you can’t really see anything else around it yet, but you can see that that bulb is there, I wonder if you would consider coming and joining me in a special edition of my memberships that I’m currently running.

&nbsp;

I was planning to open them on a staggered basis later in the year, but we know that a lot has changed in the last few weeks. And I can tell from the kinds of questions and issues that are being raised in the free workshop that I’m running, which is called The Kids are Off School: Now What? There’s a real need for me to open these again right now. And so I host two memberships.

&nbsp;

The first one is called Finding Your Parenting Mojo and it’s designed for people who agree with the ideas that they hear about in the podcast, but somehow find that they just really struggle to implement these in their daily lives. I know it’s so easy when you’re listening to a podcast, you just kind of nod along and you’re thinking, yeah, that sounds good. I’m gonna do that next time there’s a meltdown.

&nbsp;

And then when you’re actually in the meltdown and you’re feeling triggered, then that thing that you heard in the podcast two weeks ago is nowhere to be found in your mind and you react in the same way that you’ve always reacted. And after it happens, you might even look back on the meltdown and you think, oh, I was gonna do that differently. Wasn’t I?

&nbsp;

Or was there something I was going to do differently and then you just kind of fall back just as we do as a society into our regular group and nothing really shifts. But over time, things just seem hard. And maybe you wonder if parenting should be this hard. Or perhaps you’re just not sure what to do about it.

&nbsp;

In the parenting membership, we take one topic per month and in the beginning of the month, I send you a short guide. And it turns all the research that I do for this podcast into a short set of really actionable tools on that topic.

&nbsp;

Around the 10th of the month, we get on a group call, we see if you have any questions as you read through the guide, and you start to think about implementing the ideas. And then you go away for a couple weeks and you start practicing them. And towards the end of the month, we have a second group call because by then you tried a bit and you’ve had some successes, yay. And you probably have some failures as well and things that didn’t quite go the way you hoped. And we celebrate those successes, and we work through what happened with the things that didn’t go as well as you hoped.

&nbsp;

And we help you to adjust course so that you can refine your approach and by the end of the month, you haven’t just read or listen to something and forgotten about it or even half remembered it, but don’t really know what to do with it, you’ve actually had support in figuring out how to implement it in your real life with your real family. And you’ve been through a couple of cycles of doing it. And you’ve been supported in that, and you’re on the way to making it a new habit.

&nbsp;

And then in the next month, we move on to the next topic, and we repeat that process. So in terms of the topics we cover in the first month, we dramatically reduce the incidence of tantrums at your house, give you a bit of breathing space, and who doesn’t need breathing space right now. And in the second month, we look at what values we want to hold as parents and how we raise our children in line with those values. And this isn’t me telling you what values you should be using to raise your children. But this is you defining these with my help and support.

&nbsp;

In the third month, we will understand where we might want to get more aligned with our parenting partner and use some tools to open up conversations with them in a way that invites them to share their ideas with you rather than making them feel attacked. And we also acknowledge that it’s totally fine for parents not to be on the same page some of the time and we help you figure out which are those areas for your family, and how to manage those. And after that we picked topics by group vote and these may include things like supporting emotion regulation, understanding anxiety in both parents and children, and navigating screen time. All the ideas and tools that I present in the membership are based on scientific research, but the overarching principle is that if you don’t want to, you never have to read another parenting book.

&nbsp;

You just don’t have to do that anymore, because we go right to supporting you and implementing the tools that are based on the research. And given that a whole lot of parents are at home with their children for an extended period of time, it sort of seems as though the time is right to start thinking about how you want the next few months to go. Schools been closed for a couple weeks now. So how are things going? Can you imagine doing things the way you’ve been doing them for the last few weeks for several more months? If so then way to go. You got this. But if that thought makes you kind of nervous and you might want to think about using the membership to make a shift in your approach towards something that helps you work with your child, rather than feeling like you’re butting heads all the time, so the coming months and even years really can be easier and more peaceful. So that’s the Finding Your Parenting Mojo membership.

&nbsp;

And so the second membership is the Your Child’s Learning Mojo membership. And that’s where we support children’s intrinsic love of learning. And you’ll hear a little in this episode about how schools have really not been designed for children’s learning. They were actually designed to mold people who would produce goods in factories and consume them in homes. And that’s why education is so standardized because getting people with standardized skills out the back end is really useful when you’re producing standardized products. And I have to say, it frustrates me no end that so many thousands of skilled and compassionate and knowledgeable teachers work within the system that so devalues their abilities and their relationships with our children in a way that really stamps out our children’s natural curiosity and the world around them by about second grade.

&nbsp;

So in the Your Child’s Learning Mojo membership, we understand in layman’s terms how children learn. And then we learn how to use their own questions and interests as a jumping off point for engaging them in learning those deep and meaningful, and we’ll stay with them for so much longer than learning based on worksheets and curriculum. And as well as the actual learning on individual topics that happens which is great, we’re also helping them learn how to learn.

&nbsp;

So we’re really being their guide on the side rather than the sage on the stage. Where it’s reimagining our job. Our job isn’t to provide them with answers. Our job is to connect them with resources, and see how the process of learning works so that they can apply this no matter where their interest take them in life.

&nbsp;

And so schools are going to be closed for at least the next several months. So I know parents are wondering how the heck they’re going to support their children’s learning in that time, without standing over them, forcing them to fill out worksheets every day. Nobody finds that fun. One of the parents in the Learning membership told me last week that, “My children’s creativity and excitement over learning has been exploding since I’ve been in the membership.

&nbsp;

Until last week, my only concern was that we would never get to all the projects we thought of based on their interests now home because of the Corona virus, we have no shortage of meaningful activities to fill our days for weeks, or even months to come. This course has put me in a position where I can turn lemons into lemonade.” And of course, that’s not to say that you or even this parent has to fill every moment of your day with projects. We’re not saying that at all. But rather, that you never need to search online for another list of 100 things to do with your child while shelter in places in effect, because you’ll already be working with your child on things that they love to do.

&nbsp;

And so just to tie all this together, on Thursday, I hosted a circle for 40 parents it was on a Zoom call and they’re all taking the free workshop which is called The Kids are Off School: Now What? We were laughing a little and we were crying a little and for a couple of hours it was just kind of okay for us to lose it a bit and then gather up the pieces and go back to our families and some of the folks who are in the memberships also joined and they were feeling as much stress as everybody else was, but a couple of them said, “I feel like we’ve been preparing for the last 18 months for this.”

&nbsp;

And so they’re referring to that period since they’ve been working with me and they’ve been practicing tools to help them in regular everyday parenting that they’re now finding are also so incredibly helpful in navigating their children’s anxieties about Coronavirus as well as just simple things like routine changes and not being able to see their friends and so these parents are feeling confident and prepared and ready for whatever comes up with their child.

&nbsp;

So if that sounds like the kind of feeling you would like to have as you prepare for the next few months at home, which so many people seem to need both at once right now, I’m running a special package when you sign up for both of these memberships together, both the learning and the parenting one.

&nbsp;

So, to see how that works just head on over to YourParentingMojo.com/Together.

&nbsp;

Once again, that’s YourParentingMojo.com/Together. All right, so with all that out of way, let’s go ahead and meet today’s guest. Dr. Zach Stein studied Philosophy and Religion at Hampshire College and then Educational Neuroscience, Human Development and the Philosophy of Education at Harvard University. He’s now a scholar of the Ronin Institute, where he researches the relationships between education, human development and the evolution of civilizations. He’s also the co-president of a Think Tank, a board member at a number of technology startups, and he consults with schools, organizations and technology companies. Welcome Dr. Stein.

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Dr. Stein  13:29

It's great to be here.

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Jen  13:31

So I'd like to start by waiting right into the deep end with the big picture systems and then we'll move from there towards understanding the implications of these for our children's learning and education. And I'm going to quote from your book you've said that, “Based on an analysis of long-term global trends in economics and political history, contemporary world systems analysts argue that we have reached a crucial moment in geo history. When any complex system reaches its structural limits and evolutionary crisis ensues and a fundamentally new kind of system must be painfully and violently born”. So, if we were beginning this conversation a month ago, you know, yes, research on this topic has been around for a long time, but we might have needed to spend some time thinking through what this actually mean for us as fortunate people in our real lives? And today, we don't need to do that, we see the collapses beginning to happen. And we intuitively understand that what you wrote is true. I wonder if you can help us to maybe put your thinking about the Corona virus pandemic in the light of your previous writing and thinking please.

&nbsp;

Dr. Stein  14:31

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I've been thinking about that a lot. I, along with a bunch of other scholars since about 1972, not myself personally, you know, that the current way the systems running simply can't be sustained. So if you look at a book like The Limits to Growth, which was published in 1972, where the Student Loan Corporation, which was founded in 1972. And you look at the predictions from a lot of economists who saw the kind of waning of American hegemony beginning in 1972, which is when the dollar was taken off the gold standard by Nixon, through Fiat. And so a whole bunch of things basically started to get a bunch of people thinking that we need a fundamental change, right? Environmentalist sounding the bell, right? I think Silent Spring was 1962. So, what you have is a sense that, yeah, we were seriously running out of time, that there were all these extremely fragile systems that were reaching the limits of their growth, that the thing was wrongly conceived that you can’t have a plan to infinitely extract resources for capital gain on a finite planet. And so there was just this question of, what will that transition look like? How will we go from this kind of unsustainable model of civilizational growth to a sustainable way for in perpetuity, there to be human civilization? So, I started talking about this notion of being in a time between worlds because we're aware that the current system is ending, even though it may not look like it on the surface. And we're aware that the current systems ending and we don't know exactly what that next system looks like. So we're valley crossing in terms of evolutionary theory, we're moving out of one world and to another world. And this was apparent to people who were like, a small number of academics were basically looking through into the deeper structures but now this rather esoteric notions become exoteric and you're getting it like down on Main Street at an every living room that there's a phenomenology, there's an experience so whoa, we just been deworlded, right? The world as we knew it has kind of changed, that the old world is gone. And something new on the other side of this will emerge. That's been the feeling in the abstract and now it's the feeling in the concrete. And so it's revealing all of those systematic vulnerabilities in civilizational architecture, which have been known about, but it's making everyone aware of those, like, for example, the supply chain, right? It's like, when you go into a store and it's packed with goods, you're like, there's no problem with civilization. Look at this, like, everything's packed, right? You go into a store, and there's some stuff missing. You start to think maybe you maybe have the thought occasionally, but now you're thinking like hard about it, like, how does that supply chain actually work?

&nbsp;

Jen  17:33

And then you buy more toilet paper?

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Dr. Stein  17:35

Right. So this is the idea is that whoa, all of these supply, you know, all of the vulnerable infrastructures that sustain us now are...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/betweenworlds]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f578ba25-e3d6-46da-bd3d-024b73564fe7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ae91a2d5-5778-432c-9581-65caaccaa107/your-parenting-mojo-education-in-a-time-between-worlds-final.mp3" length="73672014" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>108: How to cope with the Coronavirus pandemic</title><itunes:title>108: How to cope with the Coronavirus pandemic</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In this episode we discuss how to cope with parents’ and children’s fear and anxiety related to the Coronavirus pandemic, how to keep the children busy so you can get some work done (without resorting to hours of screen time), and how to use the time that you are focused on them to develop your family relationships as well as their learning, rather than you driving each other nuts.

To download a FREE sample routine to help you organize your days, and also join a FREE one-week workshop to give you the tools you need to cope with this situation, please go to <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus/">yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus</a>

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<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/talk-sex-today/">Talk Sex Today</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/screen-time/">Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/digital-world/">Raising your child in a digital world</a>

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<strong>Resources</strong>

<a href="https://www.zdnet.com/article/video-conferencing-deals-coronavirus-spurs-offers-from-webex-google-and-others/">List of video conferencing companies offering free services</a>

<a href="https://www.geocaching.com/play">Geocaching website</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/JohnMuirLaws">Nature journaling videos with John Muir Laws</a>

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00:58 Introduction of episode

04:16 Difference between fear, worry, anxiety, and panic and how they impact a person

07:23 Official diagnosis of anxiety

08:36 Official diagnosis of a panic attack

10:05 What can we do to be less afraid

16:33 Difference between routine and schedule

22:48 A learning exploration

29:49 Parents worry about loneliness

39:50 Realization during the pandemic

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast!  I know that listeners who have been with me for a while know that an episode is going to be different when I dispense with the music at the beginning – I think the last time I did this was six months ago when I announced that I was taking a break from the show.  But have no fear; I’m not going anywhere – I just did it today to indicate that this is not a normal show because these are not normal times.  I’m recording this on March 15 2020, four days after the World Health Organization declared that the coronavirus outbreak is a pandemic, which means it is dispersed across a very wide geographic area and affects many individuals at the same time.  Many, many things have been canceled in the last few days – most schools are canceled for at least the next few weeks; big events are canceled or postponed, and we’re being advised to practice ‘social distancing’ by remaining six feet apart from other people.

This all seems really big and super stressful and I’m not going to go into the details of much of the epidemiological information because frankly that isn’t my specialty.  But I also know that a lot of you are struggling with issues that very much do fall into my wheelhouse – things like “what on earth am I going to do with my kids for the next six weeks when we usually start to get on each other’s nerves on day six of a vacation,” and “will my child get behind on school work,” and “how am I going to still get my own WORK work done so I can get paid and keep us afloat while we’re all cooped up in this tiny space?”

So in this episode I’m going to cover two main things – firstly, resources for you, because you may well be feeling quite anxious and approaching the end of your rope already and unsure how you’re going to make it through the coming weeks.

Then we’ll talk about issues that affect your children while we’re going through this and how to answer your children’s questions about the virus and how to be thoughtful about screen time when it seems like there’s nothing else to do and also how to support their learning while they’re out of school.

And because I know some of you are REALLY stressed out about this, I also want to let you know about a FREE one-week workshop that I’m running starting on March 23<sup>rd</sup>. It draws together elements of many of the paid workshops and memberships that I’ve built over the last few years into resources that you can use RIGHT NOW.  So for example, I’m in the middle of hosting a workshop on Taming Your Triggers, where we spend weeks digging into the many sources of your triggers because we often find that if we understand those better it creates space for us to choose a different reaction.  But right now we KNOW the source of our triggers – for many of us it’s our anxiety about the virus and about being cooped up with our kids – whom we love and cherish and enjoy, but just not ALL DAY EVERY DAY.  So we go right to the strategies that you can put in place immediately to feel less triggered by the situation, which will allow you to respond more effectively to your child when they’re acting out.

We’ll also cover similar, immediately implementable strategies to cope with sibling fighting in a way that gives your children tools to solve their own problems, ways to keep children busy so you can get things done, and how to use their own interests as a jumping off point for real learning that isn’t based on worksheets or spelling drills or math problems for when you do have focused time with them.

So if all that sounds like something you could use, just head on over to yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus and sign up; you just have to enter your name and email address and you’re in.  There’s no charge whatsoever, so if you know of other parents among your friends, family, colleagues, and online networks and groups that could benefit from this then please do feel free to forward the yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus page. The workshop gets started on March 24<sup>th</sup>, and as a bonus, as soon as you sign up I’ll email you a sample daily routine that you can use to bring a sense of order to the few days that we have until we get started.  I don’t think you necessarily need a formal schedule, and you may do just fine even without the parameters of a loose routine, but since many of our children will be coming from the highly routinized worlds of daycare and school, they may find the structure gives them a sense of security when so much around them might feel uncertain.  So that routine should carry you through the days when this is all still new and being out of daycare or school is still somewhat exciting, and then when you’re starting to get on each other’s nerves and you’re wondering how you’re going to do this for the foreseeable future, I’ll be standing right alongside you with tools to help.  If you’d like to download that sample schedule and sign up for the workshop, just go to yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus, and as a reminder it is completely FREE, so please do share it with anyone you think might benefit.

OK, so on to our topic for today – and in the spirit of putting your own oxygen mask on before helping others with theirs, let’s start with you.

I know a lot of you are really anxious about what’s happening in the world at the moment, so I want to be really specific about our language here and define our terms.  I’m going to walk through the difference between fear, worry, anxiety, and panic.

When we’re thinking about fear, then that’s a response to a known or definite threat.  If we’re hiking in the woods and we see a bear, fear is a normal response.  Our bodies use fear to trigger us to do something productive, which is usually fight or flight, or sometimes the freeze response which can mean playing physically – or emotionally – dead.  For many of us, we are very fortunate that in the situation we’re in with the virus, objectively speaking there really isn’t a lot to fear.  If we are healthy and our children are healthy and the elderly people we know are staying home and staying away from people who might have been infected, then there really isn’t a lot to have actual fear about.  Yes, there is still a possibility that we might catch the virus and we’ll probably feel crappy for a couple of weeks, but the transmission rate in children seems to be very low, and the fatality rate in healthy adults and children is very very low, so we probably won’t be too severely impacted.

But if we think out beyond our immediately fortunate circumstances, then there actually is quite a lot of reason to be afraid.  If our elderly relatives can’t be completely isolated, or if we or our family members are immunocompromised, or if we care about people who are forced to live in close quarters like prison, or who are homeless and lack access to the basic sanitation practices that we are able to take for granted, or if we are working on the front lines in hospitals then that fear suddenly seems very rational because there IS a threat.  The threat is HERE, and it’s happening now.

When we feel fear for an extended period of time – longer than it takes to run away from a bear - we often worry.  Worrying is defined by being exact; we’re not generally worried about things in general; we’re worried about something specific.  We’re worried that we are going to catch the virus and pass it on to others.  We’re worried that our vulnerable friends and relatives are going to be seriously ill or die. In many cases, in regular life, worry is actually adaptive, which means it’s useful.  It tells us that there’s something we need to focus on and maybe shift our approach.  The problem here, of course, is that many of us are already doing the things we’ve been told to do to reduce the transmission of the virus, but if there are things we simply can’t do – like not going to work if we’re a nurse and we’re not sick, or completely...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode we discuss how to cope with parents’ and children’s fear and anxiety related to the Coronavirus pandemic, how to keep the children busy so you can get some work done (without resorting to hours of screen time), and how to use the time that you are focused on them to develop your family relationships as well as their learning, rather than you driving each other nuts.

To download a FREE sample routine to help you organize your days, and also join a FREE one-week workshop to give you the tools you need to cope with this situation, please go to <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus/">yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus</a>

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<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/talk-sex-today/">Talk Sex Today</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/screen-time/">Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/digital-world/">Raising your child in a digital world</a>

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<strong>Resources</strong>

<a href="https://www.zdnet.com/article/video-conferencing-deals-coronavirus-spurs-offers-from-webex-google-and-others/">List of video conferencing companies offering free services</a>

<a href="https://www.geocaching.com/play">Geocaching website</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/JohnMuirLaws">Nature journaling videos with John Muir Laws</a>

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00:58 Introduction of episode

04:16 Difference between fear, worry, anxiety, and panic and how they impact a person

07:23 Official diagnosis of anxiety

08:36 Official diagnosis of a panic attack

10:05 What can we do to be less afraid

16:33 Difference between routine and schedule

22:48 A learning exploration

29:49 Parents worry about loneliness

39:50 Realization during the pandemic

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast!  I know that listeners who have been with me for a while know that an episode is going to be different when I dispense with the music at the beginning – I think the last time I did this was six months ago when I announced that I was taking a break from the show.  But have no fear; I’m not going anywhere – I just did it today to indicate that this is not a normal show because these are not normal times.  I’m recording this on March 15 2020, four days after the World Health Organization declared that the coronavirus outbreak is a pandemic, which means it is dispersed across a very wide geographic area and affects many individuals at the same time.  Many, many things have been canceled in the last few days – most schools are canceled for at least the next few weeks; big events are canceled or postponed, and we’re being advised to practice ‘social distancing’ by remaining six feet apart from other people.

This all seems really big and super stressful and I’m not going to go into the details of much of the epidemiological information because frankly that isn’t my specialty.  But I also know that a lot of you are struggling with issues that very much do fall into my wheelhouse – things like “what on earth am I going to do with my kids for the next six weeks when we usually start to get on each other’s nerves on day six of a vacation,” and “will my child get behind on school work,” and “how am I going to still get my own WORK work done so I can get paid and keep us afloat while we’re all cooped up in this tiny space?”

So in this episode I’m going to cover two main things – firstly, resources for you, because you may well be feeling quite anxious and approaching the end of your rope already and unsure how you’re going to make it through the coming weeks.

Then we’ll talk about issues that affect your children while we’re going through this and how to answer your children’s questions about the virus and how to be thoughtful about screen time when it seems like there’s nothing else to do and also how to support their learning while they’re out of school.

And because I know some of you are REALLY stressed out about this, I also want to let you know about a FREE one-week workshop that I’m running starting on March 23<sup>rd</sup>. It draws together elements of many of the paid workshops and memberships that I’ve built over the last few years into resources that you can use RIGHT NOW.  So for example, I’m in the middle of hosting a workshop on Taming Your Triggers, where we spend weeks digging into the many sources of your triggers because we often find that if we understand those better it creates space for us to choose a different reaction.  But right now we KNOW the source of our triggers – for many of us it’s our anxiety about the virus and about being cooped up with our kids – whom we love and cherish and enjoy, but just not ALL DAY EVERY DAY.  So we go right to the strategies that you can put in place immediately to feel less triggered by the situation, which will allow you to respond more effectively to your child when they’re acting out.

We’ll also cover similar, immediately implementable strategies to cope with sibling fighting in a way that gives your children tools to solve their own problems, ways to keep children busy so you can get things done, and how to use their own interests as a jumping off point for real learning that isn’t based on worksheets or spelling drills or math problems for when you do have focused time with them.

So if all that sounds like something you could use, just head on over to yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus and sign up; you just have to enter your name and email address and you’re in.  There’s no charge whatsoever, so if you know of other parents among your friends, family, colleagues, and online networks and groups that could benefit from this then please do feel free to forward the yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus page. The workshop gets started on March 24<sup>th</sup>, and as a bonus, as soon as you sign up I’ll email you a sample daily routine that you can use to bring a sense of order to the few days that we have until we get started.  I don’t think you necessarily need a formal schedule, and you may do just fine even without the parameters of a loose routine, but since many of our children will be coming from the highly routinized worlds of daycare and school, they may find the structure gives them a sense of security when so much around them might feel uncertain.  So that routine should carry you through the days when this is all still new and being out of daycare or school is still somewhat exciting, and then when you’re starting to get on each other’s nerves and you’re wondering how you’re going to do this for the foreseeable future, I’ll be standing right alongside you with tools to help.  If you’d like to download that sample schedule and sign up for the workshop, just go to yourparentingmojo.com/coronavirus, and as a reminder it is completely FREE, so please do share it with anyone you think might benefit.

OK, so on to our topic for today – and in the spirit of putting your own oxygen mask on before helping others with theirs, let’s start with you.

I know a lot of you are really anxious about what’s happening in the world at the moment, so I want to be really specific about our language here and define our terms.  I’m going to walk through the difference between fear, worry, anxiety, and panic.

When we’re thinking about fear, then that’s a response to a known or definite threat.  If we’re hiking in the woods and we see a bear, fear is a normal response.  Our bodies use fear to trigger us to do something productive, which is usually fight or flight, or sometimes the freeze response which can mean playing physically – or emotionally – dead.  For many of us, we are very fortunate that in the situation we’re in with the virus, objectively speaking there really isn’t a lot to fear.  If we are healthy and our children are healthy and the elderly people we know are staying home and staying away from people who might have been infected, then there really isn’t a lot to have actual fear about.  Yes, there is still a possibility that we might catch the virus and we’ll probably feel crappy for a couple of weeks, but the transmission rate in children seems to be very low, and the fatality rate in healthy adults and children is very very low, so we probably won’t be too severely impacted.

But if we think out beyond our immediately fortunate circumstances, then there actually is quite a lot of reason to be afraid.  If our elderly relatives can’t be completely isolated, or if we or our family members are immunocompromised, or if we care about people who are forced to live in close quarters like prison, or who are homeless and lack access to the basic sanitation practices that we are able to take for granted, or if we are working on the front lines in hospitals then that fear suddenly seems very rational because there IS a threat.  The threat is HERE, and it’s happening now.

When we feel fear for an extended period of time – longer than it takes to run away from a bear - we often worry.  Worrying is defined by being exact; we’re not generally worried about things in general; we’re worried about something specific.  We’re worried that we are going to catch the virus and pass it on to others.  We’re worried that our vulnerable friends and relatives are going to be seriously ill or die. In many cases, in regular life, worry is actually adaptive, which means it’s useful.  It tells us that there’s something we need to focus on and maybe shift our approach.  The problem here, of course, is that many of us are already doing the things we’ve been told to do to reduce the transmission of the virus, but if there are things we simply can’t do – like not going to work if we’re a nurse and we’re not sick, or completely protecting our parents who are in ill health – and then it’s much more difficult to reduce the worry by changing our approach.

When we can’t reduce our worries, they may become generalized into anxiety, which is a diffuse, unpleasant, vague sense of apprehension.  It’s possible that you might not even say what’s making you anxious – yes, you’re anxious about the virus, but even after you’ve rationally told yourself about the relatively low risks to most people, you might still feel anxious and not really be able to fully explain why.  We don’t often feel worry in our bodies, but we feel anxiety.  The official diagnosis requires three or more of the following six symptoms to be present – restlessness or feeling on edge; being easily fatigued, difficulty concentrating, irritability, muscle tension, and sleep disturbance.  These reactions aren’t going to help you to cope with any specific threat, so they are maladaptive.  A good test is to tell a friend about your thoughts – if they can understand, you’re worrying.  If they say “that makes no sense,” or if you already know yourself that it makes no sense, that’s probably anxiety.  Worry might make us nervous, but anxiety makes us afraid; it feels beyond our control, and it changes our ability to function in life for a substantial period of time – the diagnosis criteria say six months on this, although I’m guessing that in acute situations like this that the six month criteria may not be as relevant.

A panic attack is like an acute onset of anxiety.  Instead of having ongoing, low to moderate intensity physical symptoms and a generalized sense of apprehension, the official diagnosis of a panic attack is defined as periods of intense fear or discomfort in which at least four of the following 13 symptoms develop quickly, reaching a peak within 10 minutes.  The 13 symptoms are pounding heartbeat, sweating, trembling or shaking, shortness of breath, feeling of choking, chest pain, nausea, feeling dizzy or faint, derealization (which means you have altered perceptions about your self and/or your environment), fear of losing control or going crazy, numbness or tingling, and chills or hot flushes.  If you are already anxious then it’s possible that you might experience the symptoms of a panic attack if you’re in a public place where people are coughing and sneezing, especially if that place is your work so you can’t escape from it.

And when we’re experiencing these things one of the things we’re probably also worrying about the impact that our experience is having on our children.  Some children aren’t terribly perceptive and might not notice that something is wrong, while others will be sensitive to every shift in your mood. Either way, many of them will notice if your symptoms cause you to snap at them or lash out at them, and of course it’s hard enough to be patient with your children when you’re cooped up with them in a small space, even if you WEREN’T experiencing fear, worrying, anxiety, or maybe even panic attacks yourself, along with all the uncertainty that comes with the constant change in status of what’s open and whether we’re still going to have a job in six weeks and if our city is going to be put on lockdown.

So what can we do?  If we think about what helps us to feel less afraid, worried, and anxious, it’s usually not that someone tells us “Don’t worry; that thing you’re thinking about is never going to happen.” These aren’t rational responses in us, so they often don’t respond well to rational logic. It’s far more powerful to reach out to a friend (via phone!) and say “hey, I’m really worried.  Can I talk with you about it?”  Hopefully if your friend is a good listener they’ll empathize with your feelings and your experience first, and connect with you as a human being to show you they care about you before letting you know whether or not you’re being irrational.  And if they’re worried too, hopefully you can do the same thing for them.

When we are ready for some rational information, we can try to understand what is the real risk to ourselves and our family.  It can be hard to see countries on lockdown and not think that this virus is coming to get us personally, and while the risk to the community is very large, the personal risk to you as an individual is actually quite small.  We just can’t extrapolate the community risk to the personal risk and assume that because the community risk is large, the personal risk is also large.  Finding trusted sources of information on issues like this is really important – so look to places like the World Health Organization, or your healthcare provider. You can look at what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is doing as an advisory, but I will say that in general the American government has not been good at detecting, understanding, and reducing risks associated with all kinds of public health threats over the years, and that they it tends to be more reactionary than proactive so I personally don’t necessarily trust that I’m getting all the information I need in a timely manner from them.

You can do a simple mental risk analysis and ask yourself if you know of anyone who has been infected with the virus, and if you’ve been in contact with them.  If you have, then there’s definitely more of a reason to worry than if you haven’t.

And thirdly, what are the steps you can reasonably take to prevent the spread of the virus?  These are fairly simple – regular, effective handwashing for 20 seconds, not touching your face, and staying away from someone who might be infected.  That’s where the advice to maintain social distance comes into play, and most of what I’m reading says to stay around six feet or two meters from other people when you’re out.  There’s probably not a lot of point in wearing a face mask unless it’s a very high quality one and you’re trained in how to use it and you are disciplined in using it – I was at the hospital the other day picking up some medicine for poison oak and I can’t tell you how many people I saw with masks pushed down around their chins.  Masks are actually mostly designed to keep nasty stuff in rather than out, so they’re designed for sick people to wear so they don’t get other people sick, not for healthy people to wear to keep other people’s germs out.  There are mask shortages as well at the moment so it’s best to save those for people who are on the front lines dealing with real exposure risk.

For those of you who are in these situations where you genuinely do have an elevated risk of exposure, my heart goes out to you.  One of the things that seems to happen when we experience symptoms related to anxiety is we feel alone, and like no one else can possibly understand.  But since there are thousands of people experiencing this right now, it’s highly likely that there are very many people who do understand how you’re feeling not only about the exposure, but the fact that this is happening in a situation that you can’t get out of.  One thing you might try is to create a virtual social community for people who are at increased exposure risk using a phone or video conferencing tool so you don’t actually have to be together in the same room.  I’ll put a link in the references to an article about video conferencing providers who are offering free services right now. It could be as simple as you and a colleague sending out an email saying you’ll be on the line at a certain time; if nobody else shows up then you’ll have one other person to talk with, but you might find that many others have been feeling a need for connection like this but didn’t know how to make it happen.

When we’re anxious it’s possible that understanding rationally that our actual risk of exposure is fairly low if we have access to adequate protective equipment, but you also need to address the emotional aspect as well which seeks reassurance and solidarity and empathy, so by going at this from both sides you’ll stand the best chance of making it through this with your sanity intact.  In the free workshop we’ll go more deeply into some other tools you can use to create space for yourself when you feel triggered so you can choose a different response, as well as resources to help you have conversations about your fears with your colleagues and your partner that invite them to help you and allow you to offer your support to them.  We’ll also talk about a concept from Buddhism called grasping, which is the idea that we tend to get attached to certain outcomes (like keeping our families safe) that in reality we really can’t control.  Taking steps to stop grasping – even as we continue to take all necessary precautions like handwashing and social distance – can go an enormously long way toward releasing the grip that anxiety has over us. This is really powerful work, and I’m excited to share it with you in the workshop.

OK, so that was a lot on anxiety specifically related to the virus.  For those of us who aren’t feeling especially anxious about our risk of exposure, there’s still the anxiety of knowing that while we love our children, we really do better when we spend a significant chunk of the day apart from them.  Even for those of you who have chosen to be stay-at-home-parents, getting out of the house and socializing both with other children and other parents has probably provided a big part of the resources that you use to feel connected and have a purpose beyond that of raising your children, and with that rug pulled out from under you, you too may also feel very isolated.  One thing I really want to underscore here is that I don’t think you need a minute-by-minute schedule that tries to replicate the kind of schedule your child has at school, and when we talk about children more in a minute I’ll also make the case that keeping up on school work is a pretty low priority. But I do think that if your children have been in a very structured environment and will probably be going back to]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/virus]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">55007e38-3d7a-44f7-9957-928ddaca607c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/581a1ebd-8733-4d49-8344-c36e151a0e68/corovnavirus-v2-mixdown.mp3" length="64876210" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>107: The impact of consumerism on children</title><itunes:title>107: The impact of consumerism on children</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">we talked with Dr. Brad Klontz</a> about the 'money scripts' that we pass on to our children - perhaps unintentionally - if we fail to examine these and make conscious decisions about the messages we want to convey about money to our children.

Today we continue our series on the intersection of parenting and money with a conversation with Dr. Allison Pugh, whose doctoral dissertation (and subsequent book, <a href="https://amzn.to/2xeSqMt">Longing and Belonging: Parents, Children, and Consumer Culture</a>) remain seminal works in this field even a decade after their publication.

In this interview, we take the position that advertising to children is happening - so what do we do with that?  How do children make meaning out of the messages sent to them through our consumerist culture?  How do parents attempt to resist the effects of this culture, and how successful are they?

In our next episode in this series we'll dig more deeply into the effects of advertising itself on children's brains, so stay tuned for that!

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<strong>Book mentioned in the episode</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yUJGIE">Longing and Belonging: Parents, Children, and Consumer Culture</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
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<strong>Other episodes on this series</strong>

This episode is the second in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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Jen  01:31

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today's episode is part of a series that I'm doing on the Intersection of Childhood and Money. A while back now I interviewed New York Times columnist Ron Lieber, on his book The Opposite of Spoiled and we do use his approach to several topics related to money. But it seemed to me for a while now that there's a lot more to say on this. So more recently, I interviewed Dr. Brad Klontz on his concept of Money Scripts, which are the ideas about money that were passed on to us by our parents and that we will probably pass on to our children as well if we don't critically examine these and potentially make a conscious decision to choose a different path. Another avenue I've been wanting to explore is consumerism since I come from England, which is certainly becoming more Americanized than many other places, but where consumerism still doesn't have the same force that it does here in the US where buying things to express love or because you're feeling sad or just because you feel like it is pretty much considered a birthright. And I spent a lot of time looking for someone to talk with on this topic and finally found our guest today Dr. Allison Pugh. Dr. Pugh is a Professor of Sociology at the University of Virginia whose teaching and research focuses on contemporary work and relationships, and particularly the intertwining of culture, emotions, intimacy and economic life. She's currently a fellow at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles while she writes a book about her research on the automation of work that's historically relied on relationships between people like the caring professions. She wrote the book Longing and Belonging: Parents, Children and Consumer Culture back in 2009, in which she studies how children and parents in both affluent and working class communities in the East Bay Area of California where I live, manage the commercialization of childhood. The book was named by contemporary sociology as one of the 12 most influential books on the family written since 2000 and received several awards. A decade later, it remains the seminal work on this topic. So I'm excited that Dr. Pugh is here today to talk with us and help us think through this important topic. Welcome, Dr. Pugh.

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Dr. Pugh 03:26

Thank you so much.

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Jen  03:28

All right, so I'd like to start by quoting a few of the very first sentences from the preface of your book. So you say “Ask them straight out and most upper income parents will tell you they don't buy much for their children because they have the ‘right values’. Meanwhile, low income parents will try to convince you they buy quite a bit because they are not ‘in trouble’. Go into their children's bedrooms, however, and you will find many of the same objects Nintendo or Sony gaming system, the collectible cards, the Hello Kitty pencils.” You go on to describe how nine in 10 Americans feel that children today want too many material things. And four out of five parents think Americans overly materialistic society produces over commercialized children. Oh, my goodness. So what are some of the popular reasons why we might think this situation exists?

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Dr. Pugh  04:17

Well, the first thing I would say is what is the situation?

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Jen  04:19

Yes.

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Dr. Pugh  04:20

And the situation is that children have a lot of things and yet Americans are worried about how much children might attach to those things, how much kind of emotional attachment they might feel towards material things. And those two, that's why I'm saying that, I'm describing that situation using those two things. They both have the things and Americans are worried about their feelings toward those things. That's the situation we're describing. And why do we have that situation? One issue is the kind of massive influence of consumer culture on Americans generally, not just children but children and adults, and that's why children have those things. And then the question about like, or the issue about how Americans are worried about how children feel about those things, that's a different issue. And that reflects our ambivalence towards consumer culture. As a culture, we both embrace it and we are worried about it. We are concerned about its impact on our own lives. And we express that concern with our concern around children. That's what I would say, kind of writ large. Now, the question about like popular reasons why people think children might be materialistic. That is, you know, people are sure that children are just glued to the TV or to their screens and then very susceptible to the advertising that's they're more susceptible than they see themselves as being. That would be like the number one reason why people are afraid that children are too materialistic. Another thing that you hear sometimes popular reasons would be people are pretty sure that other people, other parents are less able to control themselves than they themselves are. So they're pretty sure that other parents are, you know, kind of opening the spigot and just letting kids have whatever they ask. And then there's often a lot of generational critique, like, oh, kids today, you know, that would be another kind of popular reason why people are afraid. They're like, oh, kids today, they're more materialistic. They're more screen-focused, they're more obsessed with stuff, you know, that kind of thing. So those are three potential reasons why people—those are reasons you hear batted about, like, why kids, they have so much and be maybe too attached to those things.

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Jen  06:45

It's like we're caught in a really difficult bind here, isn't it? We want the convenience of being able to make one click and buy something on Amazon that shows up tomorrow, whenever we feel like it. But at the same time, we're so worried about what this means for our children's futures. It's a very difficult position to be in for parents, I think.

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Dr. Pugh  07:04

Yes, I agree. And, yeah, my overall kind of conclusion from all the years of research that I did and talking to people about this subject after is that, you know, the overarching conclusion I would want people to walk away with is something like, you know, be aware that children live in the same culture that you do.

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Jen  07:25

They do?

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Dr. Pugh  07:28

And whatever you're worried about for your children, kind of look at your own self, and what is the kind of modeling that you are doing? That's kind of the main thing that I come away with.

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Jen  07:42

Yeah. Okay. All right. Thanks for giving that away early on.

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Jen  07:46

And so you'd mentioned advertising, and I know that advertisements geared towards children isn't a big focus of yours. And so I'm hoping to do a follow up episode on that with somebody else who does really focus on this, but I wonder if you could just tell us briefly before we move on, why do you take a different view on this topic?

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Dr. Pugh  08:02

Right. Well, it's not that I don't think advertising is important. Advertising is very important. I’m not, you know, kind of discounting the findings of many, many psychologists and experimental scientists that find that, you know, you show children an ad in an experimental situation in a lab, and then they turn out they want it more later or, you know, like there's a lot, not to mention all the corporate research finding efficacy, you know, they spent billions of dollars on advertising to children, and they're not doing it for their health. They’re doing it because they]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[A few weeks ago <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">we talked with Dr. Brad Klontz</a> about the 'money scripts' that we pass on to our children - perhaps unintentionally - if we fail to examine these and make conscious decisions about the messages we want to convey about money to our children.

Today we continue our series on the intersection of parenting and money with a conversation with Dr. Allison Pugh, whose doctoral dissertation (and subsequent book, <a href="https://amzn.to/2xeSqMt">Longing and Belonging: Parents, Children, and Consumer Culture</a>) remain seminal works in this field even a decade after their publication.

In this interview, we take the position that advertising to children is happening - so what do we do with that?  How do children make meaning out of the messages sent to them through our consumerist culture?  How do parents attempt to resist the effects of this culture, and how successful are they?

In our next episode in this series we'll dig more deeply into the effects of advertising itself on children's brains, so stay tuned for that!

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<strong>Book mentioned in the episode</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yUJGIE">Longing and Belonging: Parents, Children, and Consumer Culture</a> (Affiliate link).</span></p>
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<strong>Other episodes on this series</strong>

This episode is the second in a series on the intersection of parenting and money. You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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Jen  01:31

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today's episode is part of a series that I'm doing on the Intersection of Childhood and Money. A while back now I interviewed New York Times columnist Ron Lieber, on his book The Opposite of Spoiled and we do use his approach to several topics related to money. But it seemed to me for a while now that there's a lot more to say on this. So more recently, I interviewed Dr. Brad Klontz on his concept of Money Scripts, which are the ideas about money that were passed on to us by our parents and that we will probably pass on to our children as well if we don't critically examine these and potentially make a conscious decision to choose a different path. Another avenue I've been wanting to explore is consumerism since I come from England, which is certainly becoming more Americanized than many other places, but where consumerism still doesn't have the same force that it does here in the US where buying things to express love or because you're feeling sad or just because you feel like it is pretty much considered a birthright. And I spent a lot of time looking for someone to talk with on this topic and finally found our guest today Dr. Allison Pugh. Dr. Pugh is a Professor of Sociology at the University of Virginia whose teaching and research focuses on contemporary work and relationships, and particularly the intertwining of culture, emotions, intimacy and economic life. She's currently a fellow at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles while she writes a book about her research on the automation of work that's historically relied on relationships between people like the caring professions. She wrote the book Longing and Belonging: Parents, Children and Consumer Culture back in 2009, in which she studies how children and parents in both affluent and working class communities in the East Bay Area of California where I live, manage the commercialization of childhood. The book was named by contemporary sociology as one of the 12 most influential books on the family written since 2000 and received several awards. A decade later, it remains the seminal work on this topic. So I'm excited that Dr. Pugh is here today to talk with us and help us think through this important topic. Welcome, Dr. Pugh.

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Dr. Pugh 03:26

Thank you so much.

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Jen  03:28

All right, so I'd like to start by quoting a few of the very first sentences from the preface of your book. So you say “Ask them straight out and most upper income parents will tell you they don't buy much for their children because they have the ‘right values’. Meanwhile, low income parents will try to convince you they buy quite a bit because they are not ‘in trouble’. Go into their children's bedrooms, however, and you will find many of the same objects Nintendo or Sony gaming system, the collectible cards, the Hello Kitty pencils.” You go on to describe how nine in 10 Americans feel that children today want too many material things. And four out of five parents think Americans overly materialistic society produces over commercialized children. Oh, my goodness. So what are some of the popular reasons why we might think this situation exists?

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Dr. Pugh  04:17

Well, the first thing I would say is what is the situation?

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Jen  04:19

Yes.

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Dr. Pugh  04:20

And the situation is that children have a lot of things and yet Americans are worried about how much children might attach to those things, how much kind of emotional attachment they might feel towards material things. And those two, that's why I'm saying that, I'm describing that situation using those two things. They both have the things and Americans are worried about their feelings toward those things. That's the situation we're describing. And why do we have that situation? One issue is the kind of massive influence of consumer culture on Americans generally, not just children but children and adults, and that's why children have those things. And then the question about like, or the issue about how Americans are worried about how children feel about those things, that's a different issue. And that reflects our ambivalence towards consumer culture. As a culture, we both embrace it and we are worried about it. We are concerned about its impact on our own lives. And we express that concern with our concern around children. That's what I would say, kind of writ large. Now, the question about like popular reasons why people think children might be materialistic. That is, you know, people are sure that children are just glued to the TV or to their screens and then very susceptible to the advertising that's they're more susceptible than they see themselves as being. That would be like the number one reason why people are afraid that children are too materialistic. Another thing that you hear sometimes popular reasons would be people are pretty sure that other people, other parents are less able to control themselves than they themselves are. So they're pretty sure that other parents are, you know, kind of opening the spigot and just letting kids have whatever they ask. And then there's often a lot of generational critique, like, oh, kids today, you know, that would be another kind of popular reason why people are afraid. They're like, oh, kids today, they're more materialistic. They're more screen-focused, they're more obsessed with stuff, you know, that kind of thing. So those are three potential reasons why people—those are reasons you hear batted about, like, why kids, they have so much and be maybe too attached to those things.

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Jen  06:45

It's like we're caught in a really difficult bind here, isn't it? We want the convenience of being able to make one click and buy something on Amazon that shows up tomorrow, whenever we feel like it. But at the same time, we're so worried about what this means for our children's futures. It's a very difficult position to be in for parents, I think.

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Dr. Pugh  07:04

Yes, I agree. And, yeah, my overall kind of conclusion from all the years of research that I did and talking to people about this subject after is that, you know, the overarching conclusion I would want people to walk away with is something like, you know, be aware that children live in the same culture that you do.

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Jen  07:25

They do?

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Dr. Pugh  07:28

And whatever you're worried about for your children, kind of look at your own self, and what is the kind of modeling that you are doing? That's kind of the main thing that I come away with.

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Jen  07:42

Yeah. Okay. All right. Thanks for giving that away early on.

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Jen  07:46

And so you'd mentioned advertising, and I know that advertisements geared towards children isn't a big focus of yours. And so I'm hoping to do a follow up episode on that with somebody else who does really focus on this, but I wonder if you could just tell us briefly before we move on, why do you take a different view on this topic?

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Dr. Pugh  08:02

Right. Well, it's not that I don't think advertising is important. Advertising is very important. I’m not, you know, kind of discounting the findings of many, many psychologists and experimental scientists that find that, you know, you show children an ad in an experimental situation in a lab, and then they turn out they want it more later or, you know, like there's a lot, not to mention all the corporate research finding efficacy, you know, they spent billions of dollars on advertising to children, and they're not doing it for their health. They’re doing it because they believe it to be effective. So it's not that I'm saying advertising is not effective. For me, I was less interested in tracking the effectiveness of advertising than I was in kind of how children what's the meaning children make of the stuff in their lives when they're out in the real world? What does it mean to them? And so the reason why I didn't focus on the advertising is because I kind of made it a constant. I just assumed all kids are exposed to advertising to some degree. And I did this at a time when I myself had three young children ranging in age from about, I think it was about three to 10. And my kids, you know, we don't have a TV, you know, like all these things, I was doing all these things to, I thought shelter my children from advertising.

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Jen  09:26

As a good middle class parent does.

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Dr. Pugh  09:29

You know, doing my best. And then they're in school or just walking around, like they swim in this water just like we do. So, even if you're doing some things, to keep them what you think sheltered or protected from advertising culture or consumer culture, they get it anyway from a whole bunch of other sources. And so that was part of the thinking that like, you know, advertising is everywhere. But that's not the end of the conversation. That's the beginning of a conversation like, given that advertising is everywhere, what do we know then? What's next about what to know about the meaning that children make from stuff? That's where I started. I wasn't controlling the effect of advertising because I didn't perceive that that was very possible. I was just like, okay, assuming advertising is everywhere, what next?

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Jen  10:24

Yeah. And so that takes us nicely to one of the key themes in your book, I think, which is the balance of needing to fit in, but also not be too different from people. So you want to be different enough to express your individuality, which is why you need Nike sneakers, right? The right logo on the side. So you have to fit in, but you also have to show your individuality. And of course, this exists both on the part of the children that you studied, as well as on the parents’ memories of their own childhoods and whether or not I as a parent felt like I fit in as a child really can have some profound impacts on how I want to raise my child. And so I'm curious, what can you tell us about the differences that you notice that were important to children and parents?

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Dr. Pugh  11:05

Mm-hmm. Well, one thing I want to emphasize a little bit differently, put a slightly different emphasis on what you are saying, which is I found that everyone, I would say, was concerned about fitting in. And the concern about individuality seemed, I'd say, of course, that's going to vary by temperament. So some kids are more concerned with that, but really, that was coming from the parents. So the kids were much more interested in belonging. And that's why I came up with that title. That title says it all.

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Jen  11:39

Yeah, longing and belonging.

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Dr. Pugh  11:43

What's the meaning? If the question is what is the meaning that kids make of the stuff in their lives? The answer is belonging. And that's actually a really different thing than a lot of research I found thinks the existing research is like thinking about status and how to be better than, you know, the better than your neighbor or your, you know, in a hierarchy. And actually, the kids and I remember, you know, I sat with kids for three years.

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Jen  12:16

You knew these kids really well.

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Dr. Pugh 12:17

I knew them really well.There were three different locations that varied essentially by class. There was a kind of wealthy public school, a private school, and then a low income public school setting. And each of these the kids are using the meaning of the goods and the kind of services that they could buy or that the parents were buying to belong more than to assert their dominance. So it was like I kept seeing again and again, you know, kids sitting around going, you know, I have a Gameboy, which I realized is a rather outdated reference, so, whatever they're talking about today. I have a Gameboy and then someone else would say, well, I have a We or something they would try and trump it. They would instead say, well, I have a Gameboy. Yeah, I have one too. Yeah, I have one too. And it was like, I have one too or I've done that too, was much more prevalent and much more prominent in the conversations that I was witnessing over three years. Then, well, that's for losers and really everyone should have this or whatever, you know. Now, that's the kids’ world that I was witnessing. And that was a surprise to me, because I had been kind of prepped by the culture, I think the Mean Girls trope, you know, the obsession with status that is a lot of popular culture as well as the existing research. But then you talk to the parents. So I also interviewed parents of the children that I was observing in each location, and the parents were worried like about belonging also. But they were also worried about their kids’ individuality or I should say the affluent parents in particular were most focused on their kids’ individuality in ways that the children were less so. And I can talk more about that, because that's tied into all sorts of other things about parenting, but those things I found in their consumer.

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Jen  14:19

And I think from the affluent parents’ side, that sort of, I'm thinking ahead to the college years and the getting into college years, and you've sort of got to show that your kid is different from the other 50,000 kids who are applying to Harvard, right? Is that a big part of the difference aspect?

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Dr. Pugh  14:34

Isn’t that interesting? So I think that's true. But it's mediated through a kind of generalized parenting style of, you know, intensive concerted cultivation that I think you may have talked about before on the podcast. So Annette Lareau’s really important work diagnosing what middle class and above parents are trying to do, this concerted cultivation is figure out how your kids are unique individuals and then cultivate the things that they are going to make them particularly special that are their particular passions. That's something that starts at very young, will say toddlers, and I think is powered by, in my opinion by rising inequality and the higher stakes of getting into college and which colleges, the college race.

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Jen  15:27

Yup. So you mentioned Dr. Annette Lareau’s work there, and yeah, we have mentioned that on the podcast before and the term concerted cultivation is one that she used to describe how parents used organized activities and I guess consumption as well to foster their child's talents and I'm going to quote you on this that you said,“From the perspective of upper income parents knowing children's desires was also part of caring well, of listening, empathizing and reflecting back to their children their true natures, so they grew to know and love themselves. Upper income parents sought to understand their children’s individuals including their desires as part of diagnosing their individual strengths and weaknesses, the central task of every upper income caregiver before commencing on the path of concerted cultivation, plumbing the depths of children's desires was good parenting.” And I have to say, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, this statement made me really feel kind of uncomfortable, because I see so much of myself and my daughter in it. And there's a lot kind of going on in my personal life right now that I'm struggling with or related to not really knowing myself and I talked to Dr. Carol Gilligan recently about how patriarchy causes women to not really truly know and to use their true voice and men not to know and express their true feelings. And so I do want to help my daughter to know herself and to express herself from a very young age and we plan to homeschool and so we're going to have the time and space for her to really know her own strengths and weaknesses. And kind of in a way cultivate herself and I think and hope this will help her to live a fulfilling life. But I also see Dr. Lareau is arguing I'm essentially preparing her to function as an upper middle class White person in society. And of course, the reason I'm able to do this is because I have economic privilege. And so what I'm trying to tease out here is, is it wrong of me to do it in some way?

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Jen  17:12

It's okay to say yes.

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Dr. Pugh  17:15

I completely empathize with it. And I have a kind of two part answer.

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Jen  17:20

Okay.

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Dr. Pugh  17:21

The first is that what you're describing is kind of seeing another person with positive regard and reflecting that person back to her or him, you know, the child, that's part of good parenting. That’s part of good caring on some level, like even the psychologists with their analysis of infant caregiver relations will tell you that that this is mirroring. And that's part of good care. So on the most fundamental level, the answer is no, no, it's not wrong. The problem is when it gets kind of activated as entitlement, and that's the direction in which our culture is going. So there's really great work after Lareau, which was published, you know, 15 years ago or more. There's really great work showing that kids of middle class versus kids of working class or poor backgrounds, take that the streets you could say that they derive from being seen so regularly and so typically by their parents, and take it into the classroom and customize the classroom to their needs, in ways that accentuate the advantages that they have. You know, it's not just their parents speak more vocabulary to them or that they have more books in the home, but that they assume that they can customize...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/consumerism]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6a1259cd-0a6c-44c5-86cd-3bbf74f56af3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2020 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c208a2c2-868a-4859-bb0a-31840e42b28a/your-parenting-mojo-consumerism-final.mp3" length="70649124" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>106: Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting (Part 1)</title><itunes:title>106: Patriarchy is perpetuated through parenting (Part 1)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA["Wait, whaaaat?" (I can hear you thinking this now, as you're reading the title for this episode.)

When I think of patriarchy, I usually think of a powerful guy in a suit. He's always White. He probably works in government or maybe high up in a corporation. He's part of The System, which is just The Way Things Are Done - and he's never going to listen to <em>me</em>. There's really not much I can do to impact this system.

And patriarchy isn't good for any of us. It's not difficult to see how it represses women and any non-straight, White, hetero-presenting male. But the research base is also pretty clear that it harms men as well, by denying them the opportunity to express any emotion other than anger, which is linked to all kinds of both mental and physical health problems.

But it turns out that a big part of perpetuating the patriarchal system is how women interact with men, as well as how we raise our children. And, suddenly, changing the patriarchal system becomes something that I <em>can</em> directly impact - and so can you.

Listener Brian Stout and I interview the preeminent scholar in this field, <a href="https://its.law.nyu.edu/facultyprofiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=profile.biography&amp;personid=19946" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Carol Gilligan</a>, who is co-author (with Naomi Snider) of the book <a href="https://amzn.to/38SL67b">Why does patriarchy persist?</a>

In this episode we focus on the background information we need to understand what patriarchy is and how it impacts us, and in a future episode Brian and I return to discuss the implications of these ideas for the way we are raising our children.

If you'd like to subscribe to Brian's newsletter, where he discusses issues related to Building a World of Belonging, <a href="https://citizenstout.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">you can do that here.</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Carol Gilligan's Books: </strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3NTOtOB"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Why Does Patriarchy Persist?</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3Rph69k"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women’s Development</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uEYRD6"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Darkness Now Visible: Patriarchy's Resurgence and Feminist Resistance </span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3IxXZGo"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">The Birth of Pleasure: A New Map of Love</span></a></p>
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Jen: 00:01:26

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. It's hard to know even where to begin on today's topic, which is patriarchy. Now, before you think to yourself, come on, Jen, aren't you overstepping your bounds a little bit here or maybe even am I listening to the right podcast? If you're seeing this topic as a bit of a non-sequitur with the kinds of issues that we normally discuss on the show related to parenting and child development, then I'd really encourage you to sit tight because this topic has everything to do with those things. I'm so honored that today we have an incredibly special guest to help us understand more about this topic and that's Dr. Carol Gilligan. I'm pretty sure there's a group of my listeners for whom Dr. Gilligan needs no introduction because they probably read and loved her work when they were in college, but for the rest of us, Dr. Gilligan received her Bachelor's Degree in English Literature from Swarthmore College, a Master’s in Clinical Psychology from Radcliffe College and a Ph.D. in Social Psychology from Harvard University. Her 1982 book In a Different Voice is widely regarded as a landmark and following her research on women and girls development, she began to study young boys and their parents as well as the relationship between men and women. Dr. Gilligan taught at Harvard for more than 30 years and is now on the faculty at New York University where she co-teaches a seminar on resisting injustice. That was the impetus for her most recent book. This was coauthored with one of her students Naomi Snider, and it's called, Why Does Patriarchy Persist? Welcome Dr. Gilligan.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:02:47

Oh, thank you, Jen. My pleasure.

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Jen: 00:02:49

And joining me today is the listener who's brainchild this episode was Brian Stout. Brian holds a BA in Interdisciplinary Studies from Amherst College and a Masters in International Relations from Johns Hopkins and he has a background in foreign policy, conflict prevention and international development. Brian's been exploring his role in dismantling patriarchal systems for some time now. So today we're going to explore what patriarchy is and why it matters to us as parents and then Brian and I are going to be back very soon in a second episode to think through, okay, now we know more about this. What do we as parents do about it? Welcome Brian.

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Brian: 00:03:24

Thank you. I'm honored to be here.

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Jen: 00:03:26

All right, so maybe we should start at the beginning. Dr. Gilligan I'm a reasonably well educated and widely read person and I'm really not sure I could have accurately defined what patriarchy is until I'd read some of your books and so I knew it was about men and I knew it was not really a good thing, but can you enlighten us a bit more and just give us a working definition, please?

&nbsp;

Dr. Gilligan: 00:03:46

Well, you know, it's interesting because I myself, I mean I think I would have said what you said until I was doing research with girls actually and following girls from when they were beginning elementary school, six, seven years old, really through to 17 to the end of high school. And as they reached adolescence, I saw girls resisting something that was in a sense forcing them to make a choice, which the more articulate or the shrewder girls among them saw was a very problematic choice, which was do you want to have a voice? Meaning do you want to keep on being able to say what you feel and think and know or do you want to have relationships, in which case, you have to basically learn what other people want you to say rather than saying what you feel and think. And I thought this was--you could see it it was not visible, it was untangible but very palpable.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:04:49

And I had to think what is the force? And then I realized it's a force that takes human capacities. Things we all share as humans, boys, girls across the gender spectrum and divides them into either masculine or feminine. So if I said to you, what is the mind? You'd probably say masculine or what is reason that's masculine? Or what about emotion? Well, that's feminine. What about the self? That's masculine. What about relationships? That's feminine. But this makes no sense from a human perspective. So basically there was a tension between human development, which is what I study and something that was in the world that was dividing human capacities into either masculine or feminine and then privileging the masculine. And I thought, that's patriarchy and patriarchy that's when I got interested in because otherwise people sort of, their eyes glaze over and they think, Oh, it's some anthropological term about ancient tribes or it's about hating men.

&nbsp;

Dr. Gilligan: 00:06:04

Actually, once I had seen this with girls, I thought, well wait a minute, aren't boys up against a similar force that says to a boy if you act or says, that's not how boys should be because boys don't cry. And you know, boys are kind of, they don't show kind of tender feelings. That's kind of girly or maybe gay. And so it's when children are suddenly up against a force that tastes their human capacities and divides them into either masculine or feminine and privileges the masculine ones. And that's patriarchy. So whenever you encounter that splitting reason versus emotion, the mind versus the body, the self versus relationships that privileges reason and mind and self over, you know, that's patriarchy. So that's how it came into my work. And I saw children resisting it and I said, is the healthy body resists infection? The healthy psyche resist patriarchy.

&nbsp;

Dr. Gilligan: 00:07:09

I mean that's a sort of simple way of putting it. And I saw children resisting it and as graduate student at Harvard who worked, did the study with me where we followed little boys from pre-kindergarten to kindergarten and into first grade. She did that as her dissertation. Her name is Judy Chu and she's now written this beautiful book called When Boys Become “Boys”, meaning how boys are often said to be, but it's not really how boys are. And you could see these four-year-olds as they turned five and then six beginning to shield themselves and not show those qualities that would lead them to be seen as girly or gay. And you know, meaning their sensitivity and their emotional and intelligence really. So if you hear of a man described as emotionally clueless, I mean the question has to be what happened to this person? Because none of us start this way.

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Jen: 00:08:08

Yeah. It seems as though these qualities, these masculine qualities are really privileged in a way, right? And it ends up elevating some men over other men. So it ends up elevating masculine men over gay men or any person not identifying as cisgendered male and even men of non-dominant cultures as well as of course all women.

&nbsp;

Dr. Gilligan: 00:08:28

That's exactly right. It elevates some men over other men and all men over women. Right. So that's...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA["Wait, whaaaat?" (I can hear you thinking this now, as you're reading the title for this episode.)

When I think of patriarchy, I usually think of a powerful guy in a suit. He's always White. He probably works in government or maybe high up in a corporation. He's part of The System, which is just The Way Things Are Done - and he's never going to listen to <em>me</em>. There's really not much I can do to impact this system.

And patriarchy isn't good for any of us. It's not difficult to see how it represses women and any non-straight, White, hetero-presenting male. But the research base is also pretty clear that it harms men as well, by denying them the opportunity to express any emotion other than anger, which is linked to all kinds of both mental and physical health problems.

But it turns out that a big part of perpetuating the patriarchal system is how women interact with men, as well as how we raise our children. And, suddenly, changing the patriarchal system becomes something that I <em>can</em> directly impact - and so can you.

Listener Brian Stout and I interview the preeminent scholar in this field, <a href="https://its.law.nyu.edu/facultyprofiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=profile.biography&amp;personid=19946" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Carol Gilligan</a>, who is co-author (with Naomi Snider) of the book <a href="https://amzn.to/38SL67b">Why does patriarchy persist?</a>

In this episode we focus on the background information we need to understand what patriarchy is and how it impacts us, and in a future episode Brian and I return to discuss the implications of these ideas for the way we are raising our children.

If you'd like to subscribe to Brian's newsletter, where he discusses issues related to Building a World of Belonging, <a href="https://citizenstout.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">you can do that here.</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Carol Gilligan's Books: </strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3NTOtOB"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Why Does Patriarchy Persist?</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3Rph69k"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women’s Development</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3uEYRD6"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Darkness Now Visible: Patriarchy's Resurgence and Feminist Resistance </span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3IxXZGo"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">The Birth of Pleasure: A New Map of Love</span></a></p>
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Jen: 00:01:26

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. It's hard to know even where to begin on today's topic, which is patriarchy. Now, before you think to yourself, come on, Jen, aren't you overstepping your bounds a little bit here or maybe even am I listening to the right podcast? If you're seeing this topic as a bit of a non-sequitur with the kinds of issues that we normally discuss on the show related to parenting and child development, then I'd really encourage you to sit tight because this topic has everything to do with those things. I'm so honored that today we have an incredibly special guest to help us understand more about this topic and that's Dr. Carol Gilligan. I'm pretty sure there's a group of my listeners for whom Dr. Gilligan needs no introduction because they probably read and loved her work when they were in college, but for the rest of us, Dr. Gilligan received her Bachelor's Degree in English Literature from Swarthmore College, a Master’s in Clinical Psychology from Radcliffe College and a Ph.D. in Social Psychology from Harvard University. Her 1982 book In a Different Voice is widely regarded as a landmark and following her research on women and girls development, she began to study young boys and their parents as well as the relationship between men and women. Dr. Gilligan taught at Harvard for more than 30 years and is now on the faculty at New York University where she co-teaches a seminar on resisting injustice. That was the impetus for her most recent book. This was coauthored with one of her students Naomi Snider, and it's called, Why Does Patriarchy Persist? Welcome Dr. Gilligan.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:02:47

Oh, thank you, Jen. My pleasure.

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Jen: 00:02:49

And joining me today is the listener who's brainchild this episode was Brian Stout. Brian holds a BA in Interdisciplinary Studies from Amherst College and a Masters in International Relations from Johns Hopkins and he has a background in foreign policy, conflict prevention and international development. Brian's been exploring his role in dismantling patriarchal systems for some time now. So today we're going to explore what patriarchy is and why it matters to us as parents and then Brian and I are going to be back very soon in a second episode to think through, okay, now we know more about this. What do we as parents do about it? Welcome Brian.

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Brian: 00:03:24

Thank you. I'm honored to be here.

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Jen: 00:03:26

All right, so maybe we should start at the beginning. Dr. Gilligan I'm a reasonably well educated and widely read person and I'm really not sure I could have accurately defined what patriarchy is until I'd read some of your books and so I knew it was about men and I knew it was not really a good thing, but can you enlighten us a bit more and just give us a working definition, please?

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:03:46

Well, you know, it's interesting because I myself, I mean I think I would have said what you said until I was doing research with girls actually and following girls from when they were beginning elementary school, six, seven years old, really through to 17 to the end of high school. And as they reached adolescence, I saw girls resisting something that was in a sense forcing them to make a choice, which the more articulate or the shrewder girls among them saw was a very problematic choice, which was do you want to have a voice? Meaning do you want to keep on being able to say what you feel and think and know or do you want to have relationships, in which case, you have to basically learn what other people want you to say rather than saying what you feel and think. And I thought this was--you could see it it was not visible, it was untangible but very palpable.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:04:49

And I had to think what is the force? And then I realized it's a force that takes human capacities. Things we all share as humans, boys, girls across the gender spectrum and divides them into either masculine or feminine. So if I said to you, what is the mind? You'd probably say masculine or what is reason that's masculine? Or what about emotion? Well, that's feminine. What about the self? That's masculine. What about relationships? That's feminine. But this makes no sense from a human perspective. So basically there was a tension between human development, which is what I study and something that was in the world that was dividing human capacities into either masculine or feminine and then privileging the masculine. And I thought, that's patriarchy and patriarchy that's when I got interested in because otherwise people sort of, their eyes glaze over and they think, Oh, it's some anthropological term about ancient tribes or it's about hating men.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:06:04

Actually, once I had seen this with girls, I thought, well wait a minute, aren't boys up against a similar force that says to a boy if you act or says, that's not how boys should be because boys don't cry. And you know, boys are kind of, they don't show kind of tender feelings. That's kind of girly or maybe gay. And so it's when children are suddenly up against a force that tastes their human capacities and divides them into either masculine or feminine and privileges the masculine ones. And that's patriarchy. So whenever you encounter that splitting reason versus emotion, the mind versus the body, the self versus relationships that privileges reason and mind and self over, you know, that's patriarchy. So that's how it came into my work. And I saw children resisting it and I said, is the healthy body resists infection? The healthy psyche resist patriarchy.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:07:09

I mean that's a sort of simple way of putting it. And I saw children resisting it and as graduate student at Harvard who worked, did the study with me where we followed little boys from pre-kindergarten to kindergarten and into first grade. She did that as her dissertation. Her name is Judy Chu and she's now written this beautiful book called When Boys Become “Boys”, meaning how boys are often said to be, but it's not really how boys are. And you could see these four-year-olds as they turned five and then six beginning to shield themselves and not show those qualities that would lead them to be seen as girly or gay. And you know, meaning their sensitivity and their emotional and intelligence really. So if you hear of a man described as emotionally clueless, I mean the question has to be what happened to this person? Because none of us start this way.

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Jen: 00:08:08

Yeah. It seems as though these qualities, these masculine qualities are really privileged in a way, right? And it ends up elevating some men over other men. So it ends up elevating masculine men over gay men or any person not identifying as cisgendered male and even men of non-dominant cultures as well as of course all women.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:08:28

That's exactly right. It elevates some men over other men and all men over women. Right. So that's why usually it's women who start to speak up against this, but it's not a woman versus man problem. It's a culture versus human problem.

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Jen: 00:08:46

Yeah. I think I remember Toni Morrison saying something about that. She said, “The enemy is not men. The enemy is the concept of patriarchy.” It's not that we're saying, you know, men bad, men are evil, men need to stop doing these things. It's the idea of patriarchy, the system that we're working within that's not working for us.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:09:02

Well, yeah, I totally agree with Toni Morrison. I would say exactly the same thing. And it's the force that pushes men toward violence and that demands from women's silence. So in a certain sense, you know, it's intention with men's ability to use words rather than force. And I mean for women it's one of my girl in one of my studies said she was 17 she was a senior, she was the valedictorian of her class. She'd gotten into every college she wanted to get into. She said, “If I were to say what I was really feeling and thinking, no one would want to be with me, my voice would be too loud.”

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Jen: 00:09:43

Yeah. I remember that quote from, I think a couple of your books.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:09:46

And which we have to realize is this was rewarded by the educational system. I mean, in other words, because she said what other people wanted her to say. In other words, she became the person other people wanted to be with rather than being herself.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:10:02

I mean, she was promoted, elevated, accepted and so forth. So these are real things in the world. Like the boy who was perceived as girly or gay gets often not only teased by other boys but beaten up and insulted and called not a real boy or not one of the boys and not included among the boys. And in a society where men are seen to be superior then that boy is regarded as inferior. That boy is shamed. We're not talking about some abstract thing. If you spend time as I did, you know, with girls at the time of this initiation, which is, you know, nine, 10, 11 moving into adolescence and these boys between four, five and six, you see it. I mean parents see it and we've called it growing up, but it's more accurately described as an initiation into a culture that elevates some human beings over other human beings and really is damaging to all human beings in that sense because it keeps everyone from being fully human.

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Brian: 00:11:11

Carol, one of the things I loved about the title of the book, Why Does Patriarchy Persist? is that it begs the question or assumes that it didn't always, that perhaps there was a system before patriarchy. And so I'd love to invite you to speak a little bit about what you see as the origins of patriarchy. I know from some of your earlier writing, you've talked about Roman times and how sort of the systems of patriarchy came about. And I think maybe the other thought to name here is we understand that these systems intersect with White supremacy, with other legacies of oppression. And so we'd love to hear maybe just a bit of your thoughts on how do patriarchy come to be to the extent that we know eight thousand ten thousand years ago. I know this is not a perfect science, but I'd love just to hear your thoughts on how the system came about in the first place.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:11:56

Well first of all, let me just say that, you know, patriarchy elevates some voices over other voices. And so the opposite of patriarchy is democracy. And the thing about democracy is it's based on an ideal of equal voice where everyone has a voice. And if you have equal voice, then you can deal with conflicts in relationships rather than by the use of force or domination. So the other thing is to say that as human beings, we're all born with a voice. I mean if you are around babies, I mean even before language, babies have the capacity, they have a voice, they can communicate what they're feeling to other people. And so as human beings, we're all born with a voice. And also as all the evidence now is really adding up and showing we’re also born almost practically from birth with a desire to engage responsively with other people.

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:12:53

So we're born with a voice and with a desire to live in relationships. So we're born with basically the requisites for democracy. So why does patriarchy exist? I mean, why does it exist and why does it persist and that, you know, you raise the issue Brian, because if you want to elevate one group of people that say White people over people of color or straight people over gay people or people from the West over people from let's say other parts of the world, then these relational capacities of humans are in the way. I mean the person on top will feel the feelings of the person on the bottom and the person on the bottom will have a voice and will start to say, I don't like being treated as inferior. So patriarchy exists at the point where you want to create and maintain structures of oppression, structures of inequality, White privilege, racism, sexism, homophobia. I mean you can in any way of dividing humans into some are superior and some are inferior and it's antithetical to democracy. So it's at the point where you want to set up a system that's not democratic and some people trace it to the beginnings of agriculture where there's private property involved. And some scholars you can certainly see heightened Rome, how the Republic gave way to the empire and it was at that point that you could see democracy giving way to patriarchy.

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Jen: 00:14:29

Brian, I want to just quote, I want to raise your Game of Thrones quote. Do you want to say it or do you want me to?

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Brian: 00:14:37

No, go ahead.

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Jen: 00:14:38

So you quoted Tyrion Lannister. It’s not often we quote Game of Thrones on the show so I don't want to let it slide. Tyrion Lannister in Game of Thrones said, “It's easy to confuse what is with what ought to be, especially when what is has worked out in your favor.” And so it seems to me as though it's kind of like White privilege. I mean it's essentially is White privilege. If you're on top, if you're part of that privileged group then you don't even see it. The systems are there and they exist and you operate within them and nobody I think explicitly designed them or maybe they did I’m kinda thinking this on the spur of the moment, but they are designed in such a way that the people who sit within them don't have to examine their role within them. They just get to take advantage of the privilege that they have. What do you think about that?

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:15:21

Well, what I'm thinking is the window that I had into all of this is I was studying child development and so for example, one of the surprises of the work that my graduate students and I did, this was the Harvard project on women's psychology and girls development, and it really was the first project that connected women's psychology with studies of girls and following girls development. And we were mostly a group of women and we were surprised at how in a sense how outspoken girls were. I mean how strong their voices are is a wonderful story of an eight-year-old. We called our eight-year-olds whistle blowers in the relational world. And there was an eight-year-old who we called Diana and she said that she felt bad because every night at the dinner table when she tried to speak, her brother and sister interrupted her. And this is what Diana said, stealing her mother's attention. I think of that as sort of relational crimes and misdemeanors, stealing someone's attention. So the interviewers said, was there something you could do? And Diana said, “I brought a whistle to dinner.”

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:16:36

And every time they interrupted me, I blew the whistle. At which point they stopped talking and turned to me. And I said to them, she said, this eight year old in a nice voice, “that's much nicer”. So these children were really reading what was going on between people and naming it and taking action when relationships they felt bad because they were being ignored or not listened to or excluded or whatever. They would do something about it. So that's actually, I mean, in terms of psychological health, what we know now is relationships are not steady state. They're like the tide, they go in and out. We lose touch, we move in and out of touch with ourselves and with other people really all during the day and so forth. The key to relationship is when you lose touch, do you know how to find the other person again?

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:17:33

Can you repair the rupture? And what we saw is that those abilities are present right from the beginning. And it was children's resistance to losing these capacities to basically, you know, to have a voice that live in relationship that was making us aware there was a force in the world that was basically putting pressure on them to do so. So I'll tell you about the work with little boys and what the surprise was there with the four-year-olds and this is Judy's work and it's so beautifully observed. It's in her book When Boys Become Boys, because what struck her with four-year-old boys, the pre-kindergarten boys was how attentive, how articulate, how authentic and direct they were in relationship with one another and with her. I mean I thought one four-year-old said to his mother, “Mama, why do you smile when you're sad?”

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Dr. Gilligan: 00:18:31

So he's reading not only what she's presenting, but the feeling that's hidden behind her face, if you can think about it that way. And from four the boys moved from pre-kindergarten through kindergarten into first grade, Judy saw them becoming gradually less attentive, less authentic, less articulate and more indirect with one another and with her. And...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/patriarchy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">25ef6e20-f560-4149-8489-67350f5ebbe0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:20:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f7d7f2b1-3bb1-47f8-ad56-12fba4a35ce0/your-parenting-mojo-patriarchy-gilligan.mp3" length="77259148" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:04:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</title><itunes:title>105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Think about your parents.

Now think about money.

What kinds of ideas, images, and feelings come to mind?

Do you recall any discussions about money - or were these hidden from you?

Was there always enough to go around - or were you ever-conscious of its absence?

What little incidents do you recall that ended up becoming defining 'money scripts' of your life?

Perhaps it won't be a shock to learn that just as we learned how to raise children from our parents, we also learned how to think about money from them.  And as we will raise our children the way we were raised unless we choose a different path, we will also pass on our ideas about money - unless we decide differently.

Today we hear from Dr. Brad Klontz, co-author of the book <a href="https://amzn.to/3uIxubl">Mind over Money: Overcoming the Money Disorders That Threaten Our Financial Health</a> (Affiliate link), who helps us to think through the money scripts we want to pass on to our children - <span data-slate-fragment="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">and how to adjust course if we decide we need to do this.</span>

Find more information from Dr. Klontz on his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_GFrBVMkHRqL1_W0uu40Fg">YouTube channel</a>.

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<strong>Other episodes in this series</strong>

This episode is the first in a series on the intersection of parenting and money.  You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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Jen: 01:36

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today's episode kicks off what I'm hoping is at least going to be a miniseries on issues related to money and economic privilege, although I'm still in the process of figuring out exactly where we're going with this. So, quite a long time ago now, we talked with New York Times columnist, Ron Lieber about money and we got a high level overview of some of the problems we can face when we're thinking about how to talk with children about money. So, things like from what information to give at what age and what to do when your child nags you to buy something that they want at a store. But a friend recommended that I read the book that our guest today co-wrote with his father. His father is Dr.Ted Klontz and the book is called Mind over Money: Overcoming the Money Disorders That Threaten Our Financial Health. So our guests, Dr. Brad Klontz holds a Doctorate in Psychology. He's a certified financial planner. He co-founded the Financial Psychology Institute and he's an Associate Professor of Practice in Financial Psychology at Creighton University Heider College of Business. So, we're here today to take our conversation on money to the next level by thinking through how our own relationship with money will impact our children's relationship with money. Welcome, Dr. Klontz.

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Dr. Klontz: 02:45

I'm so happy to be here and I'm really happy that hopefully I can get some parenting mojo and a conversation too.

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Jen: 02:51

Do you have children?

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Dr. Klontz: 02:52

I do. I have 2 children.

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Jen: 02:53

How old are they?

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Dr. Klontz: 02:54

I've got a 6-year-old and a 2-year-old.

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Jen: 02:57

Oh, okay.

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Dr. Klontz: 02:58

And it's sort of amazing what they're already reflecting back to me on what I'm sort of unconsciously teaching them around money.

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Jen: 03:03

I can imagine. Okay. So, you should know that it's perfectly fine to share personally learned lessons with us.

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Dr. Klontz: 03:09

Okay, I'll do my best.

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Jen: 03:11

All right, cool. So, let's dive right in. I wonder if you can kind of get to the crux of your book, which I think is about this idea that you call money scripts. What is a money script?

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Dr. Klontz: 03:20

Yeah, so I got really curious. I grew up myself in a, my mom likes to say we were middle-class except lower. And I said, well, they have words for that, but we don't have to say what those are.

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Jen: 03:30

Yeah. We need to say them.

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Dr. Klontz: 03:32

Right. But I became really curious at a young age, I was surrounded by a loving family of real hard workers who never seem to really get ahead financially. And so I sort of had that inquisitive mind, I think as a child. And so going through my adolescence and then later on professionally, I was always really curious about how people look at the world differently, whether it's different religions or different sort of socioeconomic backgrounds. We all sort of have this worldview and it sort of collects around people who are similar to us. So, I became really curious. That's sort of the framework.

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Dr. Klontz: 04:04

And so a large part of my research into the realm of financial psychology has been looking at what we call money scripts, which are these beliefs about money that are passed down to us, typically from our parents, our grandparents, our culture, society at large. You know, these are things that sort of get into our subconscious mind around what money is, what's possible, how the world works. And then my research has really been focused and by now we've done research with thousands and thousands of people on how these beliefs predict things like your income, your net worth, your financial behaviors, and a whole host of other financial outcomes.

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Jen: 04:43

Okay. And so what are some of these money scripts?

&nbsp;

Dr. Klontz: 04:47

So, we found four main categories and what we did is we collected basically beliefs around money that we worked with people around. And so we had some tools that you saw in the book Mind over Money to sort of draw these to the surface. So, we collected all of these and then we put them into a test. And as I mentioned, we've given it to thousands of people thus far. And we found some patterns and so we found four main patterns. The first one is what we would call money avoidance and this is where we have a negative association with money and in true for all of these money scripts, they come from really valid experiences that have happened to you as a child or your parents or grandparents or sometimes even further back in your family history, but it's a negative association with money, so things like rich people are greedy, money corrupts or there's virtue in living with less money.

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Dr. Klontz: 05:33

Now, no big surprise, and this is true with the next couple of categories I'm going to describe to you, if you have those beliefs around money, it's going to be damaging to your financial health and sure enough, what we found is that people with this belief pattern tend to sort of undervalue themselves financially at least. They end up having lower net worth and they engage in some self-destructive financial behaviors, which makes sense. If you have this negative association with money, chances are you're probably gonna to repel it or try to get rid of it when it does come into your life. The next category we found is what we would call money worship beliefs. And this is sort of, I would say, ubiquitous in our culture. This belief that money is going to somehow magically make my life better, take away all my problems and finally get me to the place where I can be happy in this world.

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Dr. Klontz: 06:20

And of course this leads to a lot of consumerism. So, what we've noticed in our studies, people have a tendency to overspend, spend more than they make, really be attached to stuff because we sort of make that belief money and stuff will make us happier. And of course there's been a lot of research done on this and it's certainly true. It's absolutely true that money will make you happier up to about middle-class. And that's sort of where we feel like, okay, so we're okay. Above that, there’s really no significant correlation between money and happiness, a bunch of studies that's been done all over the place. And so for many people, again, like if you’re trying to climb that socioeconomic ladder to get to stability for your family, a roof over your head, clothes, taking care of your children. Absolutely. But above that, there's really no significant correlation.

&nbsp;

Jen: 07:07

It's kind of amazing, isn't it, considering how we still pursue it beyond that point?

&nbsp;

Dr. Klontz: 07:12

Yes. Yes. Right. So, this is something that I keep studying because I'm like, of course not. Come on. So it's one of those things that I think confuses researchers.

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Jen: 07:20

Yeah.

&nbsp;

Dr. Klontz: 07:21

But you know, I work with a lot of people who are, have money and have means and it's totally true. Like wherever you go, your humanity follows you and whatever you're worried about in terms of health and...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Think about your parents.

Now think about money.

What kinds of ideas, images, and feelings come to mind?

Do you recall any discussions about money - or were these hidden from you?

Was there always enough to go around - or were you ever-conscious of its absence?

What little incidents do you recall that ended up becoming defining 'money scripts' of your life?

Perhaps it won't be a shock to learn that just as we learned how to raise children from our parents, we also learned how to think about money from them.  And as we will raise our children the way we were raised unless we choose a different path, we will also pass on our ideas about money - unless we decide differently.

Today we hear from Dr. Brad Klontz, co-author of the book <a href="https://amzn.to/3uIxubl">Mind over Money: Overcoming the Money Disorders That Threaten Our Financial Health</a> (Affiliate link), who helps us to think through the money scripts we want to pass on to our children - <span data-slate-fragment="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">and how to adjust course if we decide we need to do this.</span>

Find more information from Dr. Klontz on his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_GFrBVMkHRqL1_W0uu40Fg">YouTube channel</a>.

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<strong>Other episodes in this series</strong>

This episode is the first in a series on the intersection of parenting and money.  You can find other episodes in this series:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/money/">038: The Opposite of Spoiled</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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Jen: 01:36

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today's episode kicks off what I'm hoping is at least going to be a miniseries on issues related to money and economic privilege, although I'm still in the process of figuring out exactly where we're going with this. So, quite a long time ago now, we talked with New York Times columnist, Ron Lieber about money and we got a high level overview of some of the problems we can face when we're thinking about how to talk with children about money. So, things like from what information to give at what age and what to do when your child nags you to buy something that they want at a store. But a friend recommended that I read the book that our guest today co-wrote with his father. His father is Dr.Ted Klontz and the book is called Mind over Money: Overcoming the Money Disorders That Threaten Our Financial Health. So our guests, Dr. Brad Klontz holds a Doctorate in Psychology. He's a certified financial planner. He co-founded the Financial Psychology Institute and he's an Associate Professor of Practice in Financial Psychology at Creighton University Heider College of Business. So, we're here today to take our conversation on money to the next level by thinking through how our own relationship with money will impact our children's relationship with money. Welcome, Dr. Klontz.

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Dr. Klontz: 02:45

I'm so happy to be here and I'm really happy that hopefully I can get some parenting mojo and a conversation too.

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Jen: 02:51

Do you have children?

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Dr. Klontz: 02:52

I do. I have 2 children.

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Jen: 02:53

How old are they?

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Dr. Klontz: 02:54

I've got a 6-year-old and a 2-year-old.

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Jen: 02:57

Oh, okay.

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Dr. Klontz: 02:58

And it's sort of amazing what they're already reflecting back to me on what I'm sort of unconsciously teaching them around money.

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Jen: 03:03

I can imagine. Okay. So, you should know that it's perfectly fine to share personally learned lessons with us.

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Dr. Klontz: 03:09

Okay, I'll do my best.

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Jen: 03:11

All right, cool. So, let's dive right in. I wonder if you can kind of get to the crux of your book, which I think is about this idea that you call money scripts. What is a money script?

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Dr. Klontz: 03:20

Yeah, so I got really curious. I grew up myself in a, my mom likes to say we were middle-class except lower. And I said, well, they have words for that, but we don't have to say what those are.

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Jen: 03:30

Yeah. We need to say them.

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Dr. Klontz: 03:32

Right. But I became really curious at a young age, I was surrounded by a loving family of real hard workers who never seem to really get ahead financially. And so I sort of had that inquisitive mind, I think as a child. And so going through my adolescence and then later on professionally, I was always really curious about how people look at the world differently, whether it's different religions or different sort of socioeconomic backgrounds. We all sort of have this worldview and it sort of collects around people who are similar to us. So, I became really curious. That's sort of the framework.

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Dr. Klontz: 04:04

And so a large part of my research into the realm of financial psychology has been looking at what we call money scripts, which are these beliefs about money that are passed down to us, typically from our parents, our grandparents, our culture, society at large. You know, these are things that sort of get into our subconscious mind around what money is, what's possible, how the world works. And then my research has really been focused and by now we've done research with thousands and thousands of people on how these beliefs predict things like your income, your net worth, your financial behaviors, and a whole host of other financial outcomes.

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Jen: 04:43

Okay. And so what are some of these money scripts?

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Dr. Klontz: 04:47

So, we found four main categories and what we did is we collected basically beliefs around money that we worked with people around. And so we had some tools that you saw in the book Mind over Money to sort of draw these to the surface. So, we collected all of these and then we put them into a test. And as I mentioned, we've given it to thousands of people thus far. And we found some patterns and so we found four main patterns. The first one is what we would call money avoidance and this is where we have a negative association with money and in true for all of these money scripts, they come from really valid experiences that have happened to you as a child or your parents or grandparents or sometimes even further back in your family history, but it's a negative association with money, so things like rich people are greedy, money corrupts or there's virtue in living with less money.

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Dr. Klontz: 05:33

Now, no big surprise, and this is true with the next couple of categories I'm going to describe to you, if you have those beliefs around money, it's going to be damaging to your financial health and sure enough, what we found is that people with this belief pattern tend to sort of undervalue themselves financially at least. They end up having lower net worth and they engage in some self-destructive financial behaviors, which makes sense. If you have this negative association with money, chances are you're probably gonna to repel it or try to get rid of it when it does come into your life. The next category we found is what we would call money worship beliefs. And this is sort of, I would say, ubiquitous in our culture. This belief that money is going to somehow magically make my life better, take away all my problems and finally get me to the place where I can be happy in this world.

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Dr. Klontz: 06:20

And of course this leads to a lot of consumerism. So, what we've noticed in our studies, people have a tendency to overspend, spend more than they make, really be attached to stuff because we sort of make that belief money and stuff will make us happier. And of course there's been a lot of research done on this and it's certainly true. It's absolutely true that money will make you happier up to about middle-class. And that's sort of where we feel like, okay, so we're okay. Above that, there’s really no significant correlation between money and happiness, a bunch of studies that's been done all over the place. And so for many people, again, like if you’re trying to climb that socioeconomic ladder to get to stability for your family, a roof over your head, clothes, taking care of your children. Absolutely. But above that, there's really no significant correlation.

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Jen: 07:07

It's kind of amazing, isn't it, considering how we still pursue it beyond that point?

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Dr. Klontz: 07:12

Yes. Yes. Right. So, this is something that I keep studying because I'm like, of course not. Come on. So it's one of those things that I think confuses researchers.

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Jen: 07:20

Yeah.

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Dr. Klontz: 07:21

But you know, I work with a lot of people who are, have money and have means and it's totally true. Like wherever you go, your humanity follows you and whatever you're worried about in terms of health and children and meaning in life and purpose, none of that gets erased depending on how much money you have. So it's sort of this, we call it a hedonic treadmill in psychology too where we're always sort of striving to get to the next place. And what you learn over time is that it doesn't fundamentally change who you are or your experience of life when you get to that new place, we sort of become accustomed to it.

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Dr. Klontz: 07:50

It's a bit of a curse of humanity, if you will, which has actually led to a lot of advancements because we're never sort of satisfied. So there's the good part. But the bad part is that if you believe that somehow money is going to magically solve all your problems and make your family closer and your marriage better and all this sort of thing, it's not. And so the message I always give to people is really strive to be happy now. That’s sort of the practice because then when you get money and more money, you can use that to definitely accentuate that happiness, but it's not gonna magically make you happy. The third category we found is what we call money status. And this is where we're really linking our self-worth with our net worth.

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Dr. Klontz: 08:32

And some other items on this particular scale are, you know, I tell people I make more than I actually do, or I'll only buy something if it's new, really focused on that outward display of value and of wealth. And in our studies we found that people who come from lower socioeconomic households are more vulnerable to this type of belief. And I see it all the time in social media too. There's this belief that wealthy people and rich people live a life of luxury, have very expensive watches and cars and mansions. A bunch of studies done on this and we did one, actually you mentioned Ron from the New York Times, I did a study with Paul Sullivan in the New York Times where we looked at the psychology of wealth as well as spending habits of ultra-wealthy compared to middle-class. And it sort of confirms the classic book, The Millionaire Next Door, where it turns out that if you actually do want to climb that socioeconomic ladder in terms of net worth, it requires you saving money, not spending it.

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Dr. Klontz: 09:30

And so as a culture, I think, well we do, we have a real misperception on how people who have money, how they actually spend money and it's a gross exaggeration of how much money they spend. In our study, for example, we saw that the ultra-wealthy in our study had about 18 times more money than the middle-class comparison group, but they spent only about twice as much on things like cars, houses, vacations and watches. Well, those exact things. So those are the things we asked people how much they spend on. And which by the way is great. I mean like having a house that cost twice as much is probably twice as good, but it's also not 18 times as good. And so for me, that really drove home the point and it’s definitely true anecdotally with the clients I work with, a lot of them are just really hard workers.

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Dr. Klontz: 10:15

A lot of hard workers across all the socioeconomic spectrum, but had a real value towards saving money. Like this was something built into their consciousness. They started early, they were saving 10, 20 sometimes 30% of every dollar they made. And when you start doing that in your 20s and 30s it's almost impossible unless you do something really stupid for you not to be a millionaire a few decades later. So anyway, that's the money status and that's, I'm sort of like challenging some of those beliefs as we're talking. The fourth category, and there's some good news here, there's a good one for you and we called it money vigilance. And this is the belief that it is important to save for rainy day. I put that item in our studies now I sort of surprised at the number of people who actually don't believe that's true.

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Dr. Klontz: 10:56

So these are people who believe it's important to save for rainy day. They'd almost, they'd be a nervous wreck if they didn't have money saved for an emergency. So there's, we call it vigilance because there's some anxiety associated with it. Like this is something I need to pay attention to and be vigilant about. I mean, of course that's good for your net worth. I mean that's good for your income too. So they had much better financial outcomes and this is across a bunch of different studies. So people who are doing better financially have better financial health, are taking care of themselves financially are more likely to endorse that money vigilant belief pattern. And interestingly part of that belief too was they trended towards sort of minimalism in the sense that they would actually, if somebody asked them how much they made, they would probably tell them they made less than they actually made. So there was some secretiveness around how much they were making. Now interestingly, not within their partner relationships, so they weren't lying to their spouse around money. Some of the other categories were, but much more likely to sort of downplay how much money they have.

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Jen: 11:54

Okay. And so you kind of alluded to where these money scripts come from and that they come from our childhood, they come from potentially further back even in our family than that. I'm curious about how things like shame and stress connect to where our money scripts come from.

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Dr. Klontz: 12:11

Yeah. So you know, shame and stress are very profound influencers in our lives. And in terms of stress, money is the number one source of stress in the lives of Americans. And the American Psychological Association does a survey every year and they've been doing it since 2007 and it kind of doesn't matter what's happening, about three out of four Americans are identifying money as the biggest source of stress in their lives, which is always a little bit ironic too, given that we're the richest country in the world at the richest time in human history. But this is how much it consumes our emotions and our psyche. And of course a big part of that stress, when we're talking about money scripts, is how we are comparing ourselves to those around us. That actually creates the stress. It actually doesn't have anything to do really with objectively how much money you have.

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Dr. Klontz: 13:00

And this is something in psychology called the Theory of Relative Deprivation. And it turns out that our subjective well-being, so how good we feel like we're doing in the world is entirely related to the comparison group we're using. It has nothing to do with actually how much money we have, which is just really interesting. And it helps explain why people who are in war-torn poverty laden countries can be happier than the average American because for them, they're in a small group, sort of a tribal group, and we all have tribes too. This is sort of our brain in the modern world that is really the prehistoric cave person brain we all have. And this is how we're operating around money. So, you compare yourself to the people around you and if you feel like you're doing as well or about as well, you're fine psychologically.

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Dr. Klontz: 13:48

If you feel like everyone else is doing better than you, it creates a sense of panic, a very deep primal sense of panic that things aren't okay and actually your survival's at risk. And so I think that drives a lot of that anxiety. And of course, social media just makes it so much worse. Like in terms of what's being put forth as like look at all this stuff people have that's better than you and look at this incredibly happy family. Doesn't that couple look like they're really in love. I'm looking at my wife, I don't feel quite as much in love right now with her as they seem to be. So we're inundated with all this stuff that sort of tells you that things aren't okay and other people are doing better than you, which really creates, and is a driver for a lot of that stress and anxiety.

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Jen: 14:29

Yeah. And I’m also thinking about how these events that can seem completely insignificant maybe to the parent at the time can really form the basis of something that seems much bigger to the child. And thinking about an incident from my childhood, I think I was probably between about age six and eight and I was up in my bedroom one day, I was cold, I turned the heating up. Our heaters will always set on number two out of six. So it was set on number two. I turned it up to the top setting of 6. But the thing is in England we are on central heating, and it actually takes a long time to warm up. And it wasn't until later in the evening that my mom and I came into my room to go to bed and we both suddenly realized it's really warm in here. And when she saw the radiator was set on number 6, she was so mad at me.

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Jen: 15:10

And she made me go and tell my dad what I had done. And I don't remember being punished for it, but I so clearly remember the shame and I clearly remember the message that we do not waste. And that has become an absolutely defining money script for me. And I try and make sure that my daughter doesn't waste water and food and stuff like that. But I also try not to shame her about it when it does happen. And so I'm wondering is there a way to know whether I'm passing on sort of, I don't know if good is the right word, but productive or useful money scripts, healthy messages about wasting and about money or how to tell if, you know, when we're parents and we're in these moments if we've overstepped the line.

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Dr. Klontz: 15:47

Yeah. So, wow, just a profound example that you just gave me and those are the defining moments for many of us in terms of our relations with money.

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Jen: 15:56

Yeah. And did it seem defining to my parents?

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Dr. Klontz: 15:59

Probably not at all.

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Think about your parents.

Now think about money.

What kinds of ideas, images, and feelings came to mind?

Do you recall any discussions about money - or were these hidden from you?

Was there always enough to go around - or were you ever-conscious of its absence?

What little incidents do you recall that ended up becoming defining &apos;money scripts&apos; of your life?

Perhaps it won&apos;t be a shock to learn that just as we learned how to raise children from our parents, we also learned how to think about money from them.  And as we will raise our children the way we were raised unless we choose a different path, we will also pass on our ideas about money - unless we decide differently.

Today we hear from Dr. Brad Klontz, co-author of the book Mind over Money: Overcoming the Money Disorders That Threaten Our Financial Health, who helps us to think through the money scripts we want to pass on to our children - and how to do this.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>104: How to help a child to overcome anxiety</title><itunes:title>104: How to help a child to overcome anxiety</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Listeners have been asking me for an episode on supporting anxious children for a loooooong time, but I was really struggling to find anyone who didn't take a behaviorist-based approach (where behaviors are reinforced using the parent's attention (or stickers) or the withdrawal of the parent's attention or other 'privileges.').

Long-time listeners will see that these approaches don't really fit with how we usually view behavior on the show, which is an expression of a need - if you just focus on extinguishing 'undesirable' behavior, you haven't really done anything about the child's need and - even worse - you've sent a message to the child that they can't express their true feelings and needs to you.

Listener Jamie sent me a link a book called <a href="https://amzn.to/3P1vSBA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Beyond Behaviors</a> written by today's guest, Dr. Mona Delahooke, and I immediately knew that Dr. Delahooke was the right person to guide us through this. Listener Jamie comes onto the show for the first time as well to co-interview Dr. Delahooke so we can really deeply understand our children's feelings and support them in meeting their true needs <span data-slate-fragment="JTdCJTIyb2JqZWN0JTIyJTNBJTIyZG9jdW1lbnQlMjIlMkMlMjJkYXRhJTIyJTNBJTdCJTdEJTJDJTIybm9kZXMlMjIlM0ElNUIlN0IlMjJvYmplY3QlMjIlM0ElMjJibG9jayUyMiUyQyUyMnR5cGUlMjIlM0ElMjJwYXJhZ3JhcGglMjIlMkMlMjJkYXRhJTIyJTNBJTdCJTdEJTJDJTIybm9kZXMlMjIlM0ElNUIlN0IlMjJvYmplY3QlMjIlM0ElMjJ0ZXh0JTIyJTJDJTIybGVhdmVzJTIyJTNBJTVCJTdCJTIyb2JqZWN0JTIyJTNBJTIybGVhZiUyMiUyQyUyMnRleHQlMjIlM0ElMjItJTIwYW5kJTIwb3ZlcmNvbWUlMjB0aGVpciUyMGFueGlldHklMjBhcyUyMHdlbGwuJTIyJTJDJTIybWFya3MlMjIlM0ElNUIlNUQlN0QlNUQlN0QlNUQlN0QlNUQlN0Q=">- and overcome their anxiety as well.</span>

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<strong>Dr. Mona Delahooke's Books</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3P1vSBA"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Beyond Behaviors: Using Brain Science and Compassion to Understand and Solve Children's Behavioral Challenges</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yX6Hur">Beyond Behaviors Flip Chart: A Psychoeducational Tool to Help Therapists &amp; Teachers Understand and Support Children with Behavioral Changes</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
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Jen: 01:28

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today, we're talking about a topic that parents have been asking me about for ages and that is how to support children who are experiencing anxiety. Now, it's not super hard to find research on anxiety and on treatments for anxiety, but the hard part is finding someone who doesn't just see anxiety as an unwanted behavior that we need to extinguish using reinforcements and who actually sees anxiety as a potential cause for behaviors like having a bad attitude or lacking impulse control that we might typically think of as bad behavior rather than being caused by anxiety. So, we have a special guest today who's going to help us move beyond this view of anxiety and that's Dr. Mona Delahooke. Dr. Delahooke is a licensed clinical psychologist with more than 30 years of experience caring for children in their families. She's a member of the American Psychological Association and holds the highest level of endorsement in the field of infant and toddler mental health in California, as a Reflective Practice Mentor. She has dedicated her career to promoting compassionate relationship-based neurodevelopmental interventions for children with developmental, behavioral, emotional and learning difficulties and has written a book called Beyond Behaviors: Using Brain Science and Compassion to Understand and Solve Children's Behavioral Challenges. Welcome Dr. Delahooke.

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Dr. Delahooke: 02:43

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.

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Jen: 02:45

Thank you. And we have another special guest here today as well. We've heard about her, we've heard her words and now we're going to hear her very own voice. Today, we have with us listener, Jamie. She's not listener Jamie to us. She's Jamie Ramirez in real life and she and her wife are the proud parents of now 11-month-old daughter Elliot. Jamie struggled with anxiety for a good deal of her life and has also read on this topic a lot. And she was the one who suggested that I read Dr. Delahooke’s book and so when Dr. Delahooke agreed to an interview, it was only natural to ask Jamie to join me as a co-interviewer and she enthusiastically agreed. Welcome Jamie.

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Jamie: 03:22

Hi.

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Jen: 03:23

Yey, you’re here. All right, so let's start kind of at the beginning I guess by talking about how Dr. Delahooke’s thinking about anxiety is different from the way that most researchers and psychologists think about it and treat anxiety and children. So Jamie, I wonder if you could start by reading one of your favorite passages from Dr. Delahooke’s book and then perhaps we can contrast this with the more common view on anxiety. So do you want to go ahead and do that?

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Jamie: 03:48

Yeah.

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Jen: 03:49

Okay.

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Jamie: 03:50

“The truth is that we scrutinized children's behavior from the time that they're born. “She's such a good baby”, we might say of a newborn who is easy to care for, doesn't cry too much, sleeps through the night and whose moods are predictable and easy to read. Without realizing it, we are betraying our cultures understandable bias toward valuing behaviors that we can easily understand and that make our own lives easier as caregivers, teachers, or other providers. As children reach school age, we lavished praise in good grades on those who are good listeners, follow directions and can sit still and perform well on tests. We often reward these good behaviors with positive recognition, not realizing the messages we are sending to children whose natural tendencies fall outside of the easy child profile, particularly in the educational arena e.g. those who can sit still are better than those who cannot. Quiet is better than loud. While these messages may well serve the purposes of group education, they ignore the importance of understanding and appreciating and not judging the range of children's individual differences demonstrated through their behaviors.”

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Jen: 04:57

That's such a powerful passage. I can see where it resonated with you. Yeah. And so Dr. Delahooke, I wonder if you can contrast that as sort of the way that you view anxiety with the way most psychologists think about anxiety. What do most psychologists think anxiety is?

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Dr. Delahooke: 05:13

Well, the way I was trained and really I think the predominant thought still amongst most psychologists is that anxiety is understood as a disorder. And maybe we can understand that through understanding that the DSM, are you familiar with the DSM?

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Jen: 05:35

Yeah. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Just for listeners.

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Dr. Delahooke: 05:38

Yes. For listeners, it's kind of the dictionary, so to speak, for labeling and diagnosing individuals along a set of criteria. So one shift that's happened in the last kind of less than a decade starting in 2013 was that the DSM that Tom Insel, who was the head of the National Institutes of Mental Health announced that the national institutes were going to be diverting funding away from straight DSM criteria and more towards looking at underlying causality. So the short answer to your question, the way many of my colleagues, I believe view anxiety is as a DSM disorder and the American Psychological Association defines anxiety as an emotion characterized by feelings of tension, worried thoughts and physical changes like increased blood pressure. So anxiety is defined kind of loosely in a way as something that if you have a certain amount of characteristics or symptoms, then you have anxiety.

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Dr. Delahooke: 06:51

And that's kind of how it's viewed now as a thing, as an actual like, oh, your child has anxiety. Well, there is no blood test for anxiety. Right? So it's not exactly like your child has diabetes, you know, your child's blood sugar level is above 105 or whatever. Anxiety, the way I was trained, I was really in my education in the 80s was that it seemed like anxiety was this thing that you treat with a certain protocol such as cognitive behavioral therapy and medication if needed. And that was what would help it go away. But what I wasn't taught was what's underlying all sorts of anxiety. Well, there's all these different subtypes and so it's really exciting to me that the shift is now not just looking at a symptom checklist, but looking at the brain circuitry and the domains, the dimensions of functions rather than these categories. And it's a really exciting shift.

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Jen: 08:04

Yeah. And I just want to delve a little deeper into a couple of things you mentioned, you mentioned medication and cognitive behavioral therapy, and from the research that I've done, it seems as though each of those are effective in about half of the children that are treated. Is that right?

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Dr. Delahooke: 08:19

Well this, yeah, generally speaking with the research you might find different percentages, but some percentages are about a third. Some go up to a half.

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Jen: 08:29

Okay.

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Dr. Delahooke: 08:31

But you think about half, that still leaves another half.

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Jen: 08:35

Yes, it does. Yeah. And so what are some of the challenges of treating this anxiety in children?

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Dr. Delahooke: 08:42

Well, now that I have a different protocol, I'm finding much way fewer challenges that I think that early in my career when I was using the standard...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Listeners have been asking me for an episode on supporting anxious children for a loooooong time, but I was really struggling to find anyone who didn't take a behaviorist-based approach (where behaviors are reinforced using the parent's attention (or stickers) or the withdrawal of the parent's attention or other 'privileges.').

Long-time listeners will see that these approaches don't really fit with how we usually view behavior on the show, which is an expression of a need - if you just focus on extinguishing 'undesirable' behavior, you haven't really done anything about the child's need and - even worse - you've sent a message to the child that they can't express their true feelings and needs to you.

Listener Jamie sent me a link a book called <a href="https://amzn.to/3P1vSBA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Beyond Behaviors</a> written by today's guest, Dr. Mona Delahooke, and I immediately knew that Dr. Delahooke was the right person to guide us through this. Listener Jamie comes onto the show for the first time as well to co-interview Dr. Delahooke so we can really deeply understand our children's feelings and support them in meeting their true needs <span data-slate-fragment="JTdCJTIyb2JqZWN0JTIyJTNBJTIyZG9jdW1lbnQlMjIlMkMlMjJkYXRhJTIyJTNBJTdCJTdEJTJDJTIybm9kZXMlMjIlM0ElNUIlN0IlMjJvYmplY3QlMjIlM0ElMjJibG9jayUyMiUyQyUyMnR5cGUlMjIlM0ElMjJwYXJhZ3JhcGglMjIlMkMlMjJkYXRhJTIyJTNBJTdCJTdEJTJDJTIybm9kZXMlMjIlM0ElNUIlN0IlMjJvYmplY3QlMjIlM0ElMjJ0ZXh0JTIyJTJDJTIybGVhdmVzJTIyJTNBJTVCJTdCJTIyb2JqZWN0JTIyJTNBJTIybGVhZiUyMiUyQyUyMnRleHQlMjIlM0ElMjItJTIwYW5kJTIwb3ZlcmNvbWUlMjB0aGVpciUyMGFueGlldHklMjBhcyUyMHdlbGwuJTIyJTJDJTIybWFya3MlMjIlM0ElNUIlNUQlN0QlNUQlN0QlNUQlN0QlNUQlN0Q=">- and overcome their anxiety as well.</span>

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<strong>Dr. Mona Delahooke's Books</strong>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><a href="https://amzn.to/3P1vSBA"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large">Beyond Behaviors: Using Brain Science and Compassion to Understand and Solve Children's Behavioral Challenges</span></a></p>
<p id="title" class="a-spacing-none a-text-normal"><span id="productTitle" class="a-size-extra-large"><a href="https://amzn.to/3yX6Hur">Beyond Behaviors Flip Chart: A Psychoeducational Tool to Help Therapists &amp; Teachers Understand and Support Children with Behavioral Changes</a> (Affiliate links).</span></p>
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Jen: 01:28

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today, we're talking about a topic that parents have been asking me about for ages and that is how to support children who are experiencing anxiety. Now, it's not super hard to find research on anxiety and on treatments for anxiety, but the hard part is finding someone who doesn't just see anxiety as an unwanted behavior that we need to extinguish using reinforcements and who actually sees anxiety as a potential cause for behaviors like having a bad attitude or lacking impulse control that we might typically think of as bad behavior rather than being caused by anxiety. So, we have a special guest today who's going to help us move beyond this view of anxiety and that's Dr. Mona Delahooke. Dr. Delahooke is a licensed clinical psychologist with more than 30 years of experience caring for children in their families. She's a member of the American Psychological Association and holds the highest level of endorsement in the field of infant and toddler mental health in California, as a Reflective Practice Mentor. She has dedicated her career to promoting compassionate relationship-based neurodevelopmental interventions for children with developmental, behavioral, emotional and learning difficulties and has written a book called Beyond Behaviors: Using Brain Science and Compassion to Understand and Solve Children's Behavioral Challenges. Welcome Dr. Delahooke.

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Dr. Delahooke: 02:43

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.

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Jen: 02:45

Thank you. And we have another special guest here today as well. We've heard about her, we've heard her words and now we're going to hear her very own voice. Today, we have with us listener, Jamie. She's not listener Jamie to us. She's Jamie Ramirez in real life and she and her wife are the proud parents of now 11-month-old daughter Elliot. Jamie struggled with anxiety for a good deal of her life and has also read on this topic a lot. And she was the one who suggested that I read Dr. Delahooke’s book and so when Dr. Delahooke agreed to an interview, it was only natural to ask Jamie to join me as a co-interviewer and she enthusiastically agreed. Welcome Jamie.

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Jamie: 03:22

Hi.

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Jen: 03:23

Yey, you’re here. All right, so let's start kind of at the beginning I guess by talking about how Dr. Delahooke’s thinking about anxiety is different from the way that most researchers and psychologists think about it and treat anxiety and children. So Jamie, I wonder if you could start by reading one of your favorite passages from Dr. Delahooke’s book and then perhaps we can contrast this with the more common view on anxiety. So do you want to go ahead and do that?

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Jamie: 03:48

Yeah.

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Jen: 03:49

Okay.

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Jamie: 03:50

“The truth is that we scrutinized children's behavior from the time that they're born. “She's such a good baby”, we might say of a newborn who is easy to care for, doesn't cry too much, sleeps through the night and whose moods are predictable and easy to read. Without realizing it, we are betraying our cultures understandable bias toward valuing behaviors that we can easily understand and that make our own lives easier as caregivers, teachers, or other providers. As children reach school age, we lavished praise in good grades on those who are good listeners, follow directions and can sit still and perform well on tests. We often reward these good behaviors with positive recognition, not realizing the messages we are sending to children whose natural tendencies fall outside of the easy child profile, particularly in the educational arena e.g. those who can sit still are better than those who cannot. Quiet is better than loud. While these messages may well serve the purposes of group education, they ignore the importance of understanding and appreciating and not judging the range of children's individual differences demonstrated through their behaviors.”

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Jen: 04:57

That's such a powerful passage. I can see where it resonated with you. Yeah. And so Dr. Delahooke, I wonder if you can contrast that as sort of the way that you view anxiety with the way most psychologists think about anxiety. What do most psychologists think anxiety is?

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Dr. Delahooke: 05:13

Well, the way I was trained and really I think the predominant thought still amongst most psychologists is that anxiety is understood as a disorder. And maybe we can understand that through understanding that the DSM, are you familiar with the DSM?

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Jen: 05:35

Yeah. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Just for listeners.

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Dr. Delahooke: 05:38

Yes. For listeners, it's kind of the dictionary, so to speak, for labeling and diagnosing individuals along a set of criteria. So one shift that's happened in the last kind of less than a decade starting in 2013 was that the DSM that Tom Insel, who was the head of the National Institutes of Mental Health announced that the national institutes were going to be diverting funding away from straight DSM criteria and more towards looking at underlying causality. So the short answer to your question, the way many of my colleagues, I believe view anxiety is as a DSM disorder and the American Psychological Association defines anxiety as an emotion characterized by feelings of tension, worried thoughts and physical changes like increased blood pressure. So anxiety is defined kind of loosely in a way as something that if you have a certain amount of characteristics or symptoms, then you have anxiety.

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Dr. Delahooke: 06:51

And that's kind of how it's viewed now as a thing, as an actual like, oh, your child has anxiety. Well, there is no blood test for anxiety. Right? So it's not exactly like your child has diabetes, you know, your child's blood sugar level is above 105 or whatever. Anxiety, the way I was trained, I was really in my education in the 80s was that it seemed like anxiety was this thing that you treat with a certain protocol such as cognitive behavioral therapy and medication if needed. And that was what would help it go away. But what I wasn't taught was what's underlying all sorts of anxiety. Well, there's all these different subtypes and so it's really exciting to me that the shift is now not just looking at a symptom checklist, but looking at the brain circuitry and the domains, the dimensions of functions rather than these categories. And it's a really exciting shift.

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Jen: 08:04

Yeah. And I just want to delve a little deeper into a couple of things you mentioned, you mentioned medication and cognitive behavioral therapy, and from the research that I've done, it seems as though each of those are effective in about half of the children that are treated. Is that right?

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Dr. Delahooke: 08:19

Well this, yeah, generally speaking with the research you might find different percentages, but some percentages are about a third. Some go up to a half.

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Jen: 08:29

Okay.

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Dr. Delahooke: 08:31

But you think about half, that still leaves another half.

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Jen: 08:35

Yes, it does. Yeah. And so what are some of the challenges of treating this anxiety in children?

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Dr. Delahooke: 08:42

Well, now that I have a different protocol, I'm finding much way fewer challenges that I think that early in my career when I was using the standard protocols is that I found that for example, cognitive behavioral therapy, trying to talk to a child and help a child actively change their thoughts and their cognitions come up with the ways that their brain can help them shift their thinking and feel better. Right? Which are great ideas, super great ideas. But I've found that for many children that fall fell flat on its face. And that's when I went to look for answers as to why. Why would some children be able to shift their thoughts? And why would others just not have that capacity, especially in the heat of the moment? And that became one of my biggest clinical questions.

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Jen: 09:39

Okay. And so just before we get to that, I want to briefly mention the study that came out of the Yale Child Study Center that got a lot of press, I think it was about within the last year or so and it found that a new program that teaches parents how to use reinforcements to treat their child's anxiety was as effective as traditional cognitive behavioral therapy. So again, it's working for about the third to a half of the people who are being studied. And so I'm just curious about what you make of that particular approach just because it's something that parents have probably heard of recently.

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Dr. Delahooke: 10:10

Right. Well, first of all, parent involvement is fantastic. We know that parent involvement, parent-based treatment is really makes most sense from a neurodevelopmental perspective because the way human beings regulate their emotions and eventually their behaviors is through co-regulation, meaning other human beings who attuned to them and we develop our emotional capacities in our ability to self-regulate emotions through relationships. So, parent involvement is great. Now, I glanced at this study yesterday, but I think you said Jen, that it uses a behavioral paradigm.

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Jen: 10:54

Yup. Yup.

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Dr. Delahooke: 10:56

Okay. Okay, so here's where I think the research coming out of the lab of Jonathan Green is way more impactful and will have more efficacious results and that is because it's not based on the paradigm of behavioral reinforcement essentially. Now the idea of reinforcing behaviors we want to see and ignoring or punishing behaviors we don't want to see is a paradigm that was developed in the last century.

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Dr. Delahooke: 11:28

And it started with studying animals, you know, in the lab. And it was exciting back then because you could figure out how to alter rats and dogs behaviors through reinforcement schedules. This was picked up to work with humans. And specifically one population that it was picked up on was for individuals, children and teens who are self-injuring at the University of Washington and later on at UCLA with Ivar Løvaas. So the science then was to protect and to try to of course try to help children improve their behaviors. But what is missing in my opinion and perhaps why the Yale study didn't get more than a 50% improvement rate so it equaled cognitive behavioral, is that it involved the paradigm, the older paradigm of reinforcing surface behaviors. And we now know that behaviors aren't the tip of the iceberg. So once you locate what is happening underneath the child's behavior, then you have a pathway to really helping them gain behavioral control and deal with their anxiety or their worries or their, whatever concerns they have that is much more natural and much more sympathetic with brain development. So essentially what this study apparently did not, it had--okay, the good part was that it was parent-based, but it was still along the lines of cognitive behavioral therapy because it involved the assumption that children's behaviors are deliberate and purposeful. We might think of that as willful and we can talk to them about it or put them on a reinforcement schedule for it. But to me that's the problem because not all behaviors are due to reinforcement.

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Jen: 13:31

Yeah. I love this ‘cause it's a bridge from where we've been to where we're going. So what I'm hearing you say is that the reason the study was as successful as it was was because of the involvement of parents. And maybe this helped parents to attune to their children a little better than they were before, which helped them to better support their child. And the reason it didn't work better is because we were using reinforcement.

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Dr. Delahooke: 13:54

That's a yes. Again, I'm not a researcher, but I'm going to go back and read that study. Yeah, I think that's a good guess because once you involve parents and especially if the parents have a gentle way with the child and look how were the parents doing the reinforcement, right? Was it gentle? Was it soothing? Was it calming the autonomic nervous system? Likely the artifacts of the study and the variables that they didn't measure may have been just as important as the reinforcements.

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Jen: 14:27

Yeah. Okay. All right, so now I understand a bit about where we've been. Jamie, do you want to kind of take us forward from here and delve into some of Dr. Delahooke’s ideas a little bit?

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Jamie: 14:35

Yeah, sure. I wanted to spend a good chunk of time drawing out your thinking on the idea that when we see behavior that is problematic or confusing, the first question we should ask isn't how do we get rid of it, but rather what is this telling us about the child? And I'd like to do this using a case study from your book of a child named Matthew.

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Jamie: 14:54

So to summarize, Matthew was late to start speaking and was diagnosed with autism. You observed him in a session in school when he was trying to get the attention of his aide who was next to him. When she didn't respond, he touched her arm and then she followed his IEP or individualized educational plan, which says she wasn't supposed to respond to non-preferred behaviors. So she moved away from him. He continued to try to get her attention. So she moved behind him and when he leaned back in his chair to see her, he fell over. So then the aide took Matthew to the calm down room, which was a small closet with a padded floor and you watched him through the one way window looking really flattened sad with his aide ignoring any interaction with him. So let's talk about what's going on here. What do you think that the teacher and the aide are seeing in this situation? And do you think that they see Matthew as being in conscious, volitional control of his actions?

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Dr. Delahooke: 15:48

Thank you for reading that Jamie. And it just brings, every time I hear it or listen to it, it brings me back to that moment to that classroom where I was sitting in the back of the room and using the lens that I now use. It felt like I was watching a slow moving car crash. So the answer to your question, did I think that they saw Matthew as being conscious and having volitional control of his actions? Absolutely. And let me just say that I have so much compassion for the teachers. I did and I do. And if anyone's listening today and you've heard me talk before, you know that this is a no blame, no shame space for me. I don't intend to have anyone feel bad about what they have done or the ways they approach children because it's in our cultural DNA to view behaviors on the surface.

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Dr. Delahooke: 16:47

So I'll just say that out front I don't mean to offend anybody with what I'm saying. I just need to add a layer of understanding to our current approaches. So when I looked around the room, when I saw that Matthew, his initial bid for attention, which was to try to grab the arm of his aide, that was viewed as a bad behavior because she was wanting him to listen to the teacher who was giving the lesson. But this was a child who had individual differences that compromised his ability to easily ask for things he did not have the words to do that and his motor system was also kind of roughly connected to his intention system, so the very best he could do was swat at his aide. And I saw that as a brilliant adaptation to him letting her know he needed something.

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Dr. Delahooke: 17:47

He either needed help or he was feeling uncomfortable or he needed to move. And when she moved away so that he couldn't touch her, I just thought, Oh wow, there we go, the behavior is being viewed as bad because it's noncompliant or because it's poorly understood. And what I wanted to do with that moment is say, let's celebrate that behavior. He needs you. Let's find out what this child needs at this moment. Anyway, as you read, when he started to increase his ability to grab her, then he's trying to grab her, which meant to me that his nervous system, his fight or flight system was engaged and he was actively trying to seek social engagement to feel better. She moved where he could not see her or touch her and he fell over and then they brought him to, it was called the calm down room, but it was really a timeout room.

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Dr. Delahooke: 18:45

There was nothing soothing about that room. So when I looked around the room I expected to see, or I guess I hoped to see adults in distress going, Oh my gosh, this poor child who can take him out and see what he needs. And instead what I saw was everybody ignoring the situation, which was how they were trained. It was on the child's IEP to ignore non-preferred behaviors. And so I believe they absolutely saw Matthew’s behaviors as volitional and that he had control over them. And what I saw was a stress response that started off slow, what I call the light green zone like he was still in social engagement. He was looking at her, he was trying to touch her and the aide was trained to understand that as a noncompliant behavior and it went south very fast and he ended up being punished for trying to reach out and that's why I put that story in the book.

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Jamie: 20:01

So, you wanna...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/anxiety]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">20bd44a2-d7d2-4535-b7cc-4196438409ab</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3fdd0129-7d9c-41a0-84bc-19ca33523d0a/your-parenting-mojo-anxiety-final.mp3" length="63166087" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>103: How to raise a child who uses their uniqueness to create happiness</title><itunes:title>103: How to raise a child who uses their uniqueness to create happiness</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p data-key="3602"><span data-key="3601">Dr. Rose defines a Dark Horse as someone who uses a variety of unusual strategies like understanding their 'micromotives' and not worrying about their overall destination and to focus instead on more immediate goals to create a fulfilled life.</span></p>
<p data-key="6569"><span data-key="6568">In his book he focuses on the paths adults have followed to become Dark Horses, which is almost invariably one of either:</span></p>

<ol class="ordered-list" data-key="7212"><li class="list-item" data-key="7213"><div class="list-item-child" data-key="7196"><span data-key="7195">Child is successful in school, attends an elite university, achieves financial stability, realizes they feel unfilled, and switches direction mid-life</span></div></li><li class="list-item" data-key="8775"><div class="list-item-child" data-key="8774"><span data-key="8773">Child flounders in school and barely graduates or doesn't graduate; gets married and has children or works a series of low-level jobs before discovering their path</span></div></li></ol><br/>
<p data-key="10685"><span data-key="10684">But I wondered: rather than following either of these (highly frustrating!) paths, could we instead support our children much earlier in life to discover how their passions can lead them toward a fulfilling life, rather than forcing them through a standardized system and then making them figure it out on their own later?</span></p>
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data-key="12621">Dr. Rose agreed that this would indeed be the preferable path, and we also talked about how to do this.</span></p>
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Jen 00:01:25

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today's episode comes to us via a bit of a different route than they often do. A friend of mine actually heard our guests, Dr. Todd Rose on The Art of Manliness podcast and said, “Hey, you might want to listen to this because it sounds a lot like what you're trying to do with the way your daughter Carys learns”. And I listened to the episode and then I did something I've never done before. The message that I heard from Dr. Rose on the podcast made him feel like such a kindred spirit in terms of how we think about learning and work, that I reached out to him and asked him to talk with us even before I read his book. And rather than go over ground that's already been covered elsewhere, I'd really encourage you to go to this episode's page at YourParentingMojo.com/DarkHorse to find a link to that episode on The Art of Manliness because there's so much there to help adults discover and follow their passions if you're feeling unfulfilled in the work...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p data-key="3602"><span data-key="3601">Dr. Rose defines a Dark Horse as someone who uses a variety of unusual strategies like understanding their 'micromotives' and not worrying about their overall destination and to focus instead on more immediate goals to create a fulfilled life.</span></p>
<p data-key="6569"><span data-key="6568">In his book he focuses on the paths adults have followed to become Dark Horses, which is almost invariably one of either:</span></p>

<ol class="ordered-list" data-key="7212"><li class="list-item" data-key="7213"><div class="list-item-child" data-key="7196"><span data-key="7195">Child is successful in school, attends an elite university, achieves financial stability, realizes they feel unfilled, and switches direction mid-life</span></div></li><li class="list-item" data-key="8775"><div class="list-item-child" data-key="8774"><span data-key="8773">Child flounders in school and barely graduates or doesn't graduate; gets married and has children or works a series of low-level jobs before discovering their path</span></div></li></ol><br/>
<p data-key="10685"><span data-key="10684">But I wondered: rather than following either of these (highly frustrating!) paths, could we instead support our children much earlier in life to discover how their passions can lead them toward a fulfilling life, rather than forcing them through a standardized system and then making them figure it out on their own later?</span></p>
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data-key="12621">Dr. Rose agreed that this would indeed be the preferable path, and we also talked about how to do this.</span></p>
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Jen 00:01:25

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today's episode comes to us via a bit of a different route than they often do. A friend of mine actually heard our guests, Dr. Todd Rose on The Art of Manliness podcast and said, “Hey, you might want to listen to this because it sounds a lot like what you're trying to do with the way your daughter Carys learns”. And I listened to the episode and then I did something I've never done before. The message that I heard from Dr. Rose on the podcast made him feel like such a kindred spirit in terms of how we think about learning and work, that I reached out to him and asked him to talk with us even before I read his book. And rather than go over ground that's already been covered elsewhere, I'd really encourage you to go to this episode's page at YourParentingMojo.com/DarkHorse to find a link to that episode on The Art of Manliness because there's so much there to help adults discover and follow their passions if you're feeling unfulfilled in the work that you do and that you might need some help charting a different course.

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Jen 00:02:20

So, today we're going to look at the outcomes for what Dr. Rose calls dark horses, but we'll specifically focus on how we can support children in navigating their path to becoming a dark horse, which involves identifying your skills and true motivations and harnessing those to do work that you're truly passionate about. And on the related note, I wanted to let you know about a pilot program that I'm running that's open for signups right now. It's called Your Child's Learning Mojo and it will help parents to support their children's intrinsic motivation to learn. If your child is in the early preschool years right now, then you're probably inundated with their questions about the world, but research shows that by the early school years, children learn that their own questions aren't really valued anymore and what counts is whether they know the answers to questions that other people have asked and yet the ability to formulate questions and ask them and know how to find some initial answers and then circle back to a deeper level of questions and explore ideas with both depth and breadth and demonstrate that learning to communities that care about the topic is going to be a foundational set of skills for life 20 years from now and in the age of search engines, the ability to recall an answer is already pretty well obsolete.

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Jen  00:03:25

If we're worried about our children's success when they graduate from school and maybe college, then we might be tempted to teach them a skill like coding and while there are plenty of apps and afterschool clubs and summer camps that have popped up, which imply that if you aren't teaching your child to code, then you're making an error that says fundamental is not teaching them how to read. Developers tell us that coding isn't about getting the syntax of code right. It's about having an idea, proposing a solution, seeing if it works, delving deeply into an issue, developing creative solutions to problems and sticking with it when it repeatedly fails while you try different approaches and improve on them each time you take another run at it. Teaching the syntax of coding doesn't teach any of those skills, but harnessing your child's natural intrinsic motivation to learn does support the kinds of skills that will be needed to learn coding and complex problem solving and critical thinking and creativity and all of the other skills the experts know are really going to be important in the future.

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Jen 00:04:20

In their book Becoming Brilliant that we looked at way back in episode 10 psychologists, Dr. Roberta Golinkoff and Dr. Kathy Hirsh-Pasek argued that schools are doing really well at preparing our children for the kinds of jobs that existed in 1953 and there are some places where schools are beginning to shift their approach. But in general, being in school means mostly being tested on your ability to remember facts rather than developing the critical skills. So, if we want our children to have these critical skills, it's really on us as parents to make it happen. And the good news is that children come out already prime to develop these skills. We know they have boundless curiosity and they want to delve deeply into topics that interest them, whether it's dinosaurs or beading or construction. And if we can just learn how to become their guide on the side, who connects them to resources and helps them to deepen the work they're already doing, rather than the sage on the stage who provides all the answers, then we'll be able to help our children become the profoundly fulfilled dark horses that Dr. Rose will describe.

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Jen 00:05:20

I took a career coaching course a while back and I'm still in its Facebook group and almost without fail, the people who sign up for the course and introduce themselves, give some variation of the story, “I did well in school and I got a good job and I made quite a bit of money and now I'm approaching midlife I realized I'm really unsatisfied and I'm here to discover my true passion so I can live a life that feels meaningful to me.” So, as good as that career coaching course was and it was really good, my goal with this episode and with Your Child's Learning Mojo membership is to make that course obsolete for that purpose because instead of getting to midlife and realizing they're incredibly unfulfilled, our children will engage in activities and learning that fulfill them from the very beginning and as they live their lives, they'll continually reassess their passions and whether their work is in service of their passions and have the knowledge and ability and desire to make micro adjustments as they go along.

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Jen 00:06:09

So, they never reach that breaking point and instead they'll become dark horses who were truly connected to work that they find meaningful throughout their lives. So, if you'd like to learn more about how to do this, please do go to YourParentingMojo.com/LearningMojo to see how I will support you in this work. I'll teach you what's going on in children's minds when they learn and why the kinds of strewing activities that you see all over Pinterest are really just the very beginning of that process and don't help your children to learn much that's meaningful or connected to their own interests. We'll begin a learning journal that you can use to identify your child's interests and passions and then engage with these in a way that supports your child in developing the critical skills of the future. And we'll understand how to use nature as inspiration for developing questions and ideas and a sense of wonder.

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Jen 00:06:52

You'll become a member of a learning community of parents who will support each other in developing our own skills so we can help our children. And of course you'll get my guidance as well. So if you're interested in participating, please head on over to YourParentingMojo.com/LearningMojo for all the details and just sign up. The group is currently accepting new members through January 31st and we'll get started on February 1st. So to make a formal introduction to our guests today, Dr. Rose is a lecturer on education and leads the Laboratory for the Science of the Individual at Harvard University. His work is focused on the intersection of individuality and personalization applied to help people learn, work and live. He's the author of the books, The End of Average and most recently Dark Horse: Achieving Success Through the Pursuit of Fulfillment. Welcome Dr. Rose.

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Dr. Rose 00:07:36

Thanks for having me.

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Jen: 00:07:37

And so before we kind of dig into the real meat here, I wonder if you can set the stage by telling us what is a dark horse?

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Dr. Rose 00:07:45

Yeah. So from our work, we've found that sort of the traditional definition is really there are people who end up being successful that nobody saw coming, right? And that can be because they were viewed as failures early and then succeeded or because they end up being successful in one domain, but then make these pivots and ended up doing stuff that's completely different. And again, nobody sees them coming.

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Jen: 00:08:09

And in some ways this resonated with me so much when I read it because in a way I think of myself as a dark horse. You know, I got degrees from Berkeley and Yale and a job at a prestigious consulting company and I really did enjoy what I was doing for a while in sustainability consulting. But the work that I find really so fulfilling came after I got a Master's in Psychology, which was focused on Child Development and then another in Education and sharing this through the podcast with other people that, I mean it just keeps me going, keeps me getting up in the morning and I would never have seen that coming.

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Dr. Rose 00:08:43

You're hitting on something really important, which is like, you know, ever since the term dark horse was created quite a while ago to talk about things that are successful that no one sees coming, in our research in the dark horse project, this is exactly what we found, right? ‘Cause we were interested in why do these folks get off the beaten path and yet still end up surprising us and to a person, the thing that kept emerging was the way they thought about success in life. And rather than playing by sort of society's definition of success or somebody else's view, they were deeply focused on pursuing personal fulfillment. And given that it's so personal, it’s so individual, the things that light you up, it's not surprising in a standardized society that it often requires getting off the beaten path to make it happen.

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Jen 00:09:29

Yeah. And okay, so let's talk about that standardization because I mean this is a question that seems like it should be really simple, but of course it isn't and it has so much to do with learning and how we think about school. And so how do children, and we're thinking about children, but of course it's applicable to all people as well, how do they learn best?

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Dr. Rose 00:09:48

Yeah. It's funny, right? Because that seems like something that is so obvious, but in many ways it runs so counter to the way we actually educate. So if you think about some of the basics like it won't sound like rocket science, right? Not surprisingly, kids that are learning in ways that are engaging to them are going to learn better. That sounds almost silly, silly obvious, but it is surprising how much we neglect that. So if you're engaged, if you're motivated, which I think are related at the same thing, if the learning is contextualized in a relevant way, right? So it's not just abstracted away from your real life but deeply embedded into it when people are more active rather than passively learning. And one of the things that's really...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/darkhorse]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">da72c99d-90c2-470a-8aa7-71ea3f20542d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2020 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/30b906ef-e36b-4da9-9949-7fb35945fdd0/Dark-Horse-Final-converted.mp3" length="65761204" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:08:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>103</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>103</podcast:episode></item><item><title>[Taking a Break]</title><itunes:title>[Taking a Break]</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I’m taking a hiatus from the show; in this episode I explain why and what you can do to help make sure it comes back strong in 2020!</p><p>Here’s the form to complete if you’re interested in learning more about the yet-to-be-named pilot membership to support children’s interest-led learning at home: <a href="https://forms.gle/GGKgdwaLkEfNfMA27" target="_blank">https://forms.gle/GGKgdwaLkEfNfMA27</a></p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m taking a hiatus from the show; in this episode I explain why and what you can do to help make sure it comes back strong in 2020!</p><p>Here’s the form to complete if you’re interested in learning more about the yet-to-be-named pilot membership to support children’s interest-led learning at home: <a href="https://forms.gle/GGKgdwaLkEfNfMA27" target="_blank">https://forms.gle/GGKgdwaLkEfNfMA27</a></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/takingabreak]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4762</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/dbaa2a8a-55ae-47e1-8452-fda542924292/taking-a-breakmixdown.mp3" length="11370567" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>07:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>I’m taking a hiatus from the show; in this episode I explain why and what you can do to help make sure it comes back strong in 2020!
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Your family feels directionless; you just muddle along having the same old fights with your partner about the same old things:
<ul><li>Should you praise your child when they do what you ask, so they’ll do it again next time? Or punish them for disobeying you?</li><li>Should you worry about (quality or quantity of) screen time?</li><li>Does it matter if you and your partner have completely different parenting styles?</li></ul><br/>
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In this episode I interviewed Kathryn, and discussed:
<ul><li>The cultural differences between living in the U.K. and Canada (saying “please!” and certain differences in directness of humor)</li><li>How to begin to approach differences in opinion about parenting with your spouse in a way that doesn’t get their back up, but instead focuses on your (and their) values</li><li>The value of interacting with parents who are a little ahead of you and who can give you advice, as well as parents with younger children so you can see how far you’ve come and offer some support to them</li><li>How to align your daily interactions with your child with your overall values</li><li>The importance of bringing fun and playfulness to your parenting in a way that feels relaxed to you (and the positive impact this can have on your child)</li><li>How to problem solve with a child in a way that encourages them to bring their own solutions to the table</li></ul><br/>
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If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:39 Introducing the guest

07:25 Differences in parenting between the English and the Canadian

15:43 Particular areas that were attractive to Kathryn in terms of the focus of the group

23:48 Transformations that she experienced in her family once she joined the group

32:08 What might have happened if she hadn’t joined the group

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Your family feels directionless; you just muddle along having the same old fights with your partner about the same old things:
<ul><li>Should you praise your child when they do what you ask, so they’ll do it again next time? Or punish them for disobeying you?</li><li>Should you worry about (quality or quantity of) screen time?</li><li>Does it matter if you and your partner have completely different parenting styles?</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

In this episode I interviewed Kathryn, and discussed:
<ul><li>The cultural differences between living in the U.K. and Canada (saying “please!” and certain differences in directness of humor)</li><li>How to begin to approach differences in opinion about parenting with your spouse in a way that doesn’t get their back up, but instead focuses on your (and their) values</li><li>The value of interacting with parents who are a little ahead of you and who can give you advice, as well as parents with younger children so you can see how far you’ve come and offer some support to them</li><li>How to align your daily interactions with your child with your overall values</li><li>The importance of bringing fun and playfulness to your parenting in a way that feels relaxed to you (and the positive impact this can have on your child)</li><li>How to problem solve with a child in a way that encourages them to bring their own solutions to the table</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

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The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:39 Introducing the guest

07:25 Differences in parenting between the English and the Canadian

15:43 Particular areas that were attractive to Kathryn in terms of the focus of the group

23:48 Transformations that she experienced in her family once she joined the group

32:08 What might have happened if she hadn’t joined the group

36:03 Final thought of Kathryn]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/confidentparenting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4714</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/59ac99f5-f7a3-4656-8d6c-e744836ed822/kathryn-reeditmixdownv2.mp3" length="57847332" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>102</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>102</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/79768b41-0134-4435-9f9c-f920a54151c3/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>101: What happens after divorce – and how it impacts children</title><itunes:title>101: What happens after divorce – and how it impacts children</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p style="background: white;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">This is the third episode in our series on parental relationships – and the lack thereof…  We started with episode 35, which was called “All Joy and No Fun,” where we learned how children can be one of the greatest joys of a parent’s life – but that all the daily chores and struggles can get on top of us and make parenting – both in terms of our relationship with our child and our spouse – something that isn’t necessarily much <em><span style="font-family: Montserrat">fun </span></em>in the moment.  And if you missed that episode you might want to go back and check it out, because I walked you through a research-based idea I’ve been using to increase the amount of fun I have while I’m hanging out with my daughter, who was a toddler when I recorded that episode.</span></p>
<p style="background: white;text-align: start;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Then we took a turn for the worse in episode 36 and looked at the impact of divorce on children’s development, and we learned that it can have some negative impacts for some children, although the majority are pretty resilient and do make it through a divorce OK.  For the last episode in the long-delayed conclusion to this mini-series we’re going to take a look at what happens after divorce – things like single parenting and remarriage and stepfamilies, that can also have large impacts on children’s lives.  We’ll spend a good chunk of the show looking at things that stepfamilies can do to be more successful.</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:01 Introduction of episode

02:15 The things we don’t understand well

06:37 30% of the children live with their unmarried parent

14:36 Impacts of remarriage on a child’s development

15:55 Lists of common areas where stepfather encounters problem after remarriage

17:21 What can we learn from the research

19:05 Definition of authoritative parenting

24:34 Models of blended family

35:44 2 different schools of thought

36:38 Dr. William Jeynes' conclusion of remarriage

38:38 Conclusion of the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Braithwaite, D.O., Olson, L.N., Golish, T.D., Soukup, C., &amp; Turman, P. 001). “Becoming a family”: Developmental processes represented in blended family discourse. Journal of Applied Communication Research 29(3), 221-247.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Choi, J-K, &amp; Pyun, H-S. (2014). Nonresident fathers’ financial support, informal instrumental support, mothers’ parenting, and child development in single-mother families with low income. Journal of Family Issues 35(4), 526-546. DOI: 10.1177/0192513X13478403</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Coleman, M., &amp; Ganong, L.H. (1997). Stepfamilies from the stepfamily’s perspective. Marriage &amp; Family Review 26(1-2), 107-121.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Fine, M.A., Coleman, M., &amp; Ganong, L.H. (1998). Consistency in perceptions of the step-parent role among step-parents, parents and stepchildren. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships 15(6), 810-828.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Fine, M.A., &amp; Kurdek, L.A. (1995). Relation between marital quality and (step)parent-child relationship quality for parents and stepparents in stepfamilies. Journal of Family Psychology 9(2), 216-223. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Furstenberg, Jr., F.F. (1988). Child care after divorce and remarriage. In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.), Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Ganong, L.H., Coleman, M., &amp; Jamison, T. (2011). Patterns of stepchild – stepparent relationship development. Journal of Marriage and Family 73(2), 396-413. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Hequembourg, A. (2004). Unscripted motherhood: Lesbian mothers negotiating incompletely institutionalized family relationships. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships. 21(6), 739-762. DOI: 10.1177/0265407504047834</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Hetherington, E.M. (1993). An overview of the Virginia longitudinal study of divorce and remarriage with a focus on early adolescence. Journal of Family Psychology 7(1), 39056. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Jackson, A.P., &amp; Scheines, R. (2005). Single mothers’ self-efficacy, parenting in the home environment, and children’s development in a two-wave study. Social Work Research 29(1), 7-20. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Jeyes, W.H. (2006). The impact of parental remarriage on children. Marriage &amp; Family Review 40(4), 75-102.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Kumar, K. (2017). The blended family life cycle. Journal of Divorce &amp; Remarriage 58(2), 110-125.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Livingston, G. (2014, December 22). Fewer than half of U.S. kids today live in a ‘traditional’ family. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from: </span><a href="http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/"><span style="font-weight: 400">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/</span></a>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Livingston, G. (2014, November 14). Four-in-ten couples are saying “I Do,” again: Growing number of adults have remarried. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/11/14/four-in-ten-couples-are-saying-i-do-again/</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Lucas, N., Nicholson, J.M., &amp; Erban, B. (2013). Child mental health after parental separation: The impact of resident/nonresident parenting, parent mental health, conflict and socioeconomics. Journal of Family Studies 19(1), 53-69. DOI: </span><span style="font-weight: 400">10.5172/jfs.2013.19.1.53</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Maccoby, E.E., Buchanan, C.M., Mnookin, R.H., &amp; Dornbush, S.M. (1993). Postdivorce roles of mothers and fathers in the lives of their children. Journal of Family Psychology 7(1), 24-38.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Papernow, P.L. (1993). Becoming a stepfamily: Patterns of development in remarried families. Cleveland, OH: Gestalt Press.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Papenow, P.L. (2017). Blended family. In J.L. Lebow et al. (Eds.), Encyclopedia of Couple and Family Therapy. Cham, Switzerland: Springer.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation (2015). Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity: Timeframe: 2015. Retrieved from: </span><a href="http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&amp;sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D"><span style="font-weight: 400">http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&amp;sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D</span></a>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Twaite, J.A., Silitsky, D., &amp; Luchow, A.K. (1988). Children of divorce: Adjustment, parental conflict, custody, remarriage, and recommendations for clinicians. Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Weaver, S.E., &amp; Coleman, M. (2010). Caught in the middle: Mothers in stepfamilies. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships 27(3), 305-326. DOI: </span><span style="font-weight: 400">10.1177/0265407510361729</span>

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="background: white;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">This is the third episode in our series on parental relationships – and the lack thereof…  We started with episode 35, which was called “All Joy and No Fun,” where we learned how children can be one of the greatest joys of a parent’s life – but that all the daily chores and struggles can get on top of us and make parenting – both in terms of our relationship with our child and our spouse – something that isn’t necessarily much <em><span style="font-family: Montserrat">fun </span></em>in the moment.  And if you missed that episode you might want to go back and check it out, because I walked you through a research-based idea I’ve been using to increase the amount of fun I have while I’m hanging out with my daughter, who was a toddler when I recorded that episode.</span></p>
<p style="background: white;text-align: start;margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm"><span style="font-family: Montserrat;color: #333333">Then we took a turn for the worse in episode 36 and looked at the impact of divorce on children’s development, and we learned that it can have some negative impacts for some children, although the majority are pretty resilient and do make it through a divorce OK.  For the last episode in the long-delayed conclusion to this mini-series we’re going to take a look at what happens after divorce – things like single parenting and remarriage and stepfamilies, that can also have large impacts on children’s lives.  We’ll spend a good chunk of the show looking at things that stepfamilies can do to be more successful.</span></p>
&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

01:01 Introduction of episode

02:15 The things we don’t understand well

06:37 30% of the children live with their unmarried parent

14:36 Impacts of remarriage on a child’s development

15:55 Lists of common areas where stepfather encounters problem after remarriage

17:21 What can we learn from the research

19:05 Definition of authoritative parenting

24:34 Models of blended family

35:44 2 different schools of thought

36:38 Dr. William Jeynes' conclusion of remarriage

38:38 Conclusion of the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Braithwaite, D.O., Olson, L.N., Golish, T.D., Soukup, C., &amp; Turman, P. 001). “Becoming a family”: Developmental processes represented in blended family discourse. Journal of Applied Communication Research 29(3), 221-247.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Choi, J-K, &amp; Pyun, H-S. (2014). Nonresident fathers’ financial support, informal instrumental support, mothers’ parenting, and child development in single-mother families with low income. Journal of Family Issues 35(4), 526-546. DOI: 10.1177/0192513X13478403</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Coleman, M., &amp; Ganong, L.H. (1997). Stepfamilies from the stepfamily’s perspective. Marriage &amp; Family Review 26(1-2), 107-121.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Fine, M.A., Coleman, M., &amp; Ganong, L.H. (1998). Consistency in perceptions of the step-parent role among step-parents, parents and stepchildren. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships 15(6), 810-828.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Fine, M.A., &amp; Kurdek, L.A. (1995). Relation between marital quality and (step)parent-child relationship quality for parents and stepparents in stepfamilies. Journal of Family Psychology 9(2), 216-223. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Furstenberg, Jr., F.F. (1988). Child care after divorce and remarriage. In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.), Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Ganong, L.H., Coleman, M., &amp; Jamison, T. (2011). Patterns of stepchild – stepparent relationship development. Journal of Marriage and Family 73(2), 396-413. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Hequembourg, A. (2004). Unscripted motherhood: Lesbian mothers negotiating incompletely institutionalized family relationships. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships. 21(6), 739-762. DOI: 10.1177/0265407504047834</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Hetherington, E.M. (1993). An overview of the Virginia longitudinal study of divorce and remarriage with a focus on early adolescence. Journal of Family Psychology 7(1), 39056. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Jackson, A.P., &amp; Scheines, R. (2005). Single mothers’ self-efficacy, parenting in the home environment, and children’s development in a two-wave study. Social Work Research 29(1), 7-20. </span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Jeyes, W.H. (2006). The impact of parental remarriage on children. Marriage &amp; Family Review 40(4), 75-102.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Kumar, K. (2017). The blended family life cycle. Journal of Divorce &amp; Remarriage 58(2), 110-125.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Livingston, G. (2014, December 22). Fewer than half of U.S. kids today live in a ‘traditional’ family. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from: </span><a href="http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/"><span style="font-weight: 400">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/</span></a>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Livingston, G. (2014, November 14). Four-in-ten couples are saying “I Do,” again: Growing number of adults have remarried. Pew Research Center. Retrieved from: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/11/14/four-in-ten-couples-are-saying-i-do-again/</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Lucas, N., Nicholson, J.M., &amp; Erban, B. (2013). Child mental health after parental separation: The impact of resident/nonresident parenting, parent mental health, conflict and socioeconomics. Journal of Family Studies 19(1), 53-69. DOI: </span><span style="font-weight: 400">10.5172/jfs.2013.19.1.53</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Maccoby, E.E., Buchanan, C.M., Mnookin, R.H., &amp; Dornbush, S.M. (1993). Postdivorce roles of mothers and fathers in the lives of their children. Journal of Family Psychology 7(1), 24-38.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Papernow, P.L. (1993). Becoming a stepfamily: Patterns of development in remarried families. Cleveland, OH: Gestalt Press.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Papenow, P.L. (2017). Blended family. In J.L. Lebow et al. (Eds.), Encyclopedia of Couple and Family Therapy. Cham, Switzerland: Springer.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation (2015). Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity: Timeframe: 2015. Retrieved from: </span><a href="http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&amp;sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D"><span style="font-weight: 400">http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&amp;sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D</span></a>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Twaite, J.A., Silitsky, D., &amp; Luchow, A.K. (1988). Children of divorce: Adjustment, parental conflict, custody, remarriage, and recommendations for clinicians. Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson.</span>

<hr />

<span style="font-weight: 400">Weaver, S.E., &amp; Coleman, M. (2010). Caught in the middle: Mothers in stepfamilies. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships 27(3), 305-326. DOI: </span><span style="font-weight: 400">10.1177/0265407510361729</span>

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/remarriage]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4614</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1db4c119-3728-49b8-81f3-589e32f188a0/remarriagefinal.mp3" length="50586038" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/fc166cce-9e7b-4e59-b363-bc7b9c1665fc/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>100!</title><itunes:title>100!</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I can hardly believe we made it to this point: the 100th episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast!&nbsp;</p><p>Join me for a special celebration of the show, featuring questions (from you!) and answers (from me!), clips of some of my favorite episodes, some fun at NPR interviewer Terry Gross’ expense, the occasional Monty Python reference, a story about how Carys got her name that you won’t want to miss. </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can hardly believe we made it to this point: the 100th episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast!&nbsp;</p><p>Join me for a special celebration of the show, featuring questions (from you!) and answers (from me!), clips of some of my favorite episodes, some fun at NPR interviewer Terry Gross’ expense, the occasional Monty Python reference, a story about how Carys got her name that you won’t want to miss. </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/episode100]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4486</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2019 16:57:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cd05321f-5f32-4940-ae14-0191ba2c5e95/episode-100mixdown.mp3" length="112222744" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:17:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>I can hardly believe we made it to this point: the 100th episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast!  
Join me for a special celebration of the show, featuring questions (from you!) and answers (from me!), clips of some of my favorite episodes, some fun at NPR interviewer Terry Gross’ expense, the occasional Monty Python reference, a story about how Carys got her name that you won’t want to miss, and a chance to win a free YEAR in the Finding Your Parenting Mojo membership which opens October 21…
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In this episode Dr. Michael Pluess helps us to understand how we can know whether our child is highly sensitive, and how to parent these children effectively so they can reach their full potential.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Aron, E. N., Aron, A., &amp; Jagiellowicz, J. (2012). Sensory processing sensitivity: A review in the light of the evolution of biological responsivity. Personality and Social Psychology Review, 16, 262–282.

<hr />

Aron, E. N., Aron, A., &amp; Davies, K. M. (2005). Adult shyness: the interaction of temperamental sensitivity and an adverse childhood environment. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 31, 181-197.

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Aron, E.N. (2002). The highly sensitive child: Helping our children thrive when the world overwhelms them. New York, NY: Harmony.

<hr />

Aron, E. N., &amp; Aron, A. (1997). Sensory-processing sensitivity and its relation to introversion and emotionality. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 73, 345-368.

<hr />

Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2011). Differential susceptibility to rearing environment depending on dopamine-related genes: New evidence and a meta-analysis. Development and Psychopathology, 23, 39–52.

<hr />

Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., Van IJzendoorn, M. H., Pijlman, F. T., Mesman, J., &amp; Juffer, F. (2008). Experimental evidence for differential susceptibility: dopamine D4 receptor polymorphism (DRD4 VNTR) moderates intervention effects on toddlers' externalizing behavior in a randomized controlled trial. Developmental Psychology, 44, 293-300.

<hr />

Belsky, J., &amp; Puess, M. (2013). Beyond risk, resilience, and dysregulation: Phenotypic plasticity and human development. Development and Psychopathology 25, 1243-1261.

<hr />

Belsky, J., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; Van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2007). For better and for worse: Differential Susceptibility to environmental influences. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 16, 300-304.

<hr />

Bouvette-Turcot, A-A., Pluess, M., Bernier, A., Pennestri, M-H., Levitan, R., Skolowski, M.B., Kennedy, J.L., Minde, K., Steiner, M., Pokhvisneva, I., Meaney, M.J., &amp; Gaudreau, H. (2015). Effects of genotype and sleep on temperament. Pediatrics 136(4), e914-e921.

<hr />

Pluess, M. (2015). Vantage sensitivity: Environmental sensitivity to positive experiences as a function of genetic differences. Journal of Personality 85(1), 38-50.

<hr />

Pluess, M. (2015). Individual differences in environmental sensitivity. Child Development Perspectives 9(3), 138-143.

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Boniwell, I. (2015). Sensory processing sensitivity predicts treatment response to a school-based depression prevention program Evidence of Vantage Sensitivity. Personality and Individual Differences 82, 40-45.

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2013). Vantage sensitivity: Individual differences in response to positive experiences. Psychological Bulletin 139(4), 901-916.

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2011). Differential susceptibility to maternal sensitivity. Maternal Sensitivity: A critical review for practitioners, 95-107. Retrieved from <a href="http://philosonic.com/michaelpluess_construction/Files/PluessBelsky_2010_Differential%20Susceptibility%20to%20Maternal%20Sensitivity.pdf">http://philosonic.com/michaelpluess_construction/Files/PluessBelsky_2010_Differential%20Susceptibility%20to%20Maternal%20Sensitivity.pdf</a>

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Pluess, M. &amp; Belsky, J. (2010). Differential susceptibility to parenting and quality child care. Developmental Psychology 46(2), 379-390.

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In this episode Dr. Michael Pluess helps us to understand how we can know whether our child is highly sensitive, and how to parent these children effectively so they can reach their full potential.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Aron, E. N., Aron, A., &amp; Jagiellowicz, J. (2012). Sensory processing sensitivity: A review in the light of the evolution of biological responsivity. Personality and Social Psychology Review, 16, 262–282.

<hr />

Aron, E. N., Aron, A., &amp; Davies, K. M. (2005). Adult shyness: the interaction of temperamental sensitivity and an adverse childhood environment. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 31, 181-197.

<hr />

Aron, E.N. (2002). The highly sensitive child: Helping our children thrive when the world overwhelms them. New York, NY: Harmony.

<hr />

Aron, E. N., &amp; Aron, A. (1997). Sensory-processing sensitivity and its relation to introversion and emotionality. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 73, 345-368.

<hr />

Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2011). Differential susceptibility to rearing environment depending on dopamine-related genes: New evidence and a meta-analysis. Development and Psychopathology, 23, 39–52.

<hr />

Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., Van IJzendoorn, M. H., Pijlman, F. T., Mesman, J., &amp; Juffer, F. (2008). Experimental evidence for differential susceptibility: dopamine D4 receptor polymorphism (DRD4 VNTR) moderates intervention effects on toddlers' externalizing behavior in a randomized controlled trial. Developmental Psychology, 44, 293-300.

<hr />

Belsky, J., &amp; Puess, M. (2013). Beyond risk, resilience, and dysregulation: Phenotypic plasticity and human development. Development and Psychopathology 25, 1243-1261.

<hr />

Belsky, J., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M. J., &amp; Van IJzendoorn, M. H. (2007). For better and for worse: Differential Susceptibility to environmental influences. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 16, 300-304.

<hr />

Bouvette-Turcot, A-A., Pluess, M., Bernier, A., Pennestri, M-H., Levitan, R., Skolowski, M.B., Kennedy, J.L., Minde, K., Steiner, M., Pokhvisneva, I., Meaney, M.J., &amp; Gaudreau, H. (2015). Effects of genotype and sleep on temperament. Pediatrics 136(4), e914-e921.

<hr />

Pluess, M. (2015). Vantage sensitivity: Environmental sensitivity to positive experiences as a function of genetic differences. Journal of Personality 85(1), 38-50.

<hr />

Pluess, M. (2015). Individual differences in environmental sensitivity. Child Development Perspectives 9(3), 138-143.

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Boniwell, I. (2015). Sensory processing sensitivity predicts treatment response to a school-based depression prevention program Evidence of Vantage Sensitivity. Personality and Individual Differences 82, 40-45.

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2013). Vantage sensitivity: Individual differences in response to positive experiences. Psychological Bulletin 139(4), 901-916.

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2011). Differential susceptibility to maternal sensitivity. Maternal Sensitivity: A critical review for practitioners, 95-107. Retrieved from <a href="http://philosonic.com/michaelpluess_construction/Files/PluessBelsky_2010_Differential%20Susceptibility%20to%20Maternal%20Sensitivity.pdf">http://philosonic.com/michaelpluess_construction/Files/PluessBelsky_2010_Differential%20Susceptibility%20to%20Maternal%20Sensitivity.pdf</a>

<hr />

Pluess, M. &amp; Belsky, J. (2010). Differential susceptibility to parenting and quality child care. Developmental Psychology 46(2), 379-390.

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/highlysensitive]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4241</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/587b8bbb-7d23-4535-9c3f-6eabf96f53f7/highly-sensitive-childrenfinal.mp3" length="71109401" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Is your child Highly Sensitive?  Does it sometimes feel as though you don’t understand them, and struggle to support them in the ways it seems they need to be supported?  Or does your child experience and process things more deeply than other children, but this is the first time you’re hearing about High Sensitivity?
In this episode Dr. Michael Pluess helps us to understand how we can know whether our child is highly sensitive, and how to parent these children effectively so they can reach their full potential.
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In this episode we review the (scant) evidence available on drills themselves, and also take a broader look at the kinds of measures used in schools in the name of keeping our children safe – but which may actually have the opposite from intended effect.
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Jen 01:21

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have another serious topic to cover today and it's probably one that you don't want to listen to with children around. I received a question from listener Selena about 6 months ago saying that an incendiary device had been discovered on the grounds of the public school that my daughter would actually going to be attend if we weren't going to homeschool. And that some of the parents who were very worried and were demanding video surveillance and disaster preparedness drills and she wants to know whether there was any research available about the impacts of drills to prepare children for things like active shooters. And I wanted to know are these drills effective? And then when I started researching this issue, I went down a complete rabbit hole related to the effectiveness of other kinds of school security measures as well as bullying, as a potential cause of violence in schools.

Jen 02:08

And the kind of relational aggression that girls particularly to practice as well. So expect episodes on those topics soon in the coming months. But here to kick us off today on this mini series is Dr. Ben Fisher. He's Assistant Professor in the Department of Criminal Justice at University of Louisville. Dr. Fisher’s research focuses on the intersection of education and criminal justice, but particular focus on school safety, security and discipline. He approaches this research from an interdisciplinary perspective with a focus on inequality that is grounded in his Ph.D. in community research and action from Vanderbilt University, which prepared him to work on this view from a social justice orientation. Welcome Dr. Fisher.

Dr. Fisher 02:46

Thank you. Glad to be here.

Jen 02:47

And so before we get going with our conversation today, I do want to just take a minute and acknowledge that we're recording this in the week after a gunman killed 22 people in Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and then another gunman killed 9 people outside a bar in Dayton, Ohio. So, it feels very raw to me to be discussing this today. We're going to talk today about the likelihood that a child will be killed in a school shooting. And despite the impression that we might get from the endless news cycles that keep these kinds of incidents top of mind when they happen, our chances of dying from many other causes are far, far greater than dying during a mass murder. But despite this, I do believe there are too many guns in our society and not enough control over who has access to them and what they do once they have them.

Jen 03:30

And I also think that these kinds of events are not the ultimate problems we need to deal with. Yes, we need to make it much more difficult to access guns. So, people who feel disaffected can't harm large numbers of people very easily and instituting tighter gun control in a country where so much of the political power is tied to the money provided by the gun lobby currently seems like a really insurmountable challenge. But in my mind, the far greater challenges, the one facing our families and schools where we need to address what is leading children and later adults to feel so disconnected from their families and communities, but the best tool they have to express their emotions is to kill people. So with that said, let's talk about some ways we might be able to do this. Okay. So let's start by putting this topic in context because I think many parents, myself included before I started this research, are probably under the impression that there's kind of an epidemic of violence and particularly violence perpetrated by people with guns in schools. Dr. Fisher, can you help us understand whether that is in fact the case?

Dr. Fisher 04:26

Well, we certainly do have a problem with violence in our country as we've seen in very clear fashion this past week. However, the statistics also indicate that our countries become safer and safer over the past two decades in terms of crime and victimization rights. Schools in particular have not been as safe as they are in the past 20 years in terms of rates of all sorts of crime and violence in schools. So although violence certainly does continue to be a problem, particularly gun violence and many of its forms compared to where we were two decades ago, things are going fairly well.

Jen 05:02

Yeah, I was really surprised by that. It seemed as though there was sort of a high watermark around 1992 and 1993 where the rate of homicide risk was much higher than it has been in the more recent years, I think with the exception of the year of the Sandy Hook shooting. And why do you think that is?

Dr. Fisher

05:21 Well, it's been across the board with all types of crime and violence. It's not just gun violence, although it does include that. Part of that is most certainly regression to the mean where when stuffs gets really bad, it is going to get better on average. When stuffs going really well, it's going to get worse on average. So that's gotta be part of it in my mind. And I'm a little less familiar with sort of the broader sociological explanations around long-term reductions in crime, but we've seen parallel trends in community policing strategies where officers are more focused on building relationships with community members instead of going out and cracking skulls, only I say that and just mostly, but they're less concerned about, you know, just finding and responding to crime. There's a lot more of a proactive approach. So, there's that law enforcement perspective on it, but that's not too much of my area of expertise. So, I don't want to step away like too much here.

Jen 06:19

No worries. A couple of the stats that stuck out to me as I was researching that was the deaths by different causes over that period. And bicycle accident was one of the highest ones at 2,400 and this is deaths of children by various causes, a fire accident of some kind 1900 and change, accidental fall around 1700, lightning strikes 251 and then school shootings 113 children. And then just to put that number in context, only about half a percent of the 24,000 children who were murdered in that period between 1999 and 2013 were killed at school. So I think there is still a lot of violence in our society and there are definitely children who are meeting an end way before their time is due, but only a tiny fraction of those are actually happening in school. I was I guess maybe I just hadn't thought about it, but those isolated incidents tend not to get the same coverage that the large scale incidents at school have. I think maybe part of it.

Dr. Fisher 07:20

Yeah, that's right. Statistically speaking, schools are among the safest place for children and youth to be compared to other homes, neighborhoods, or almost anywhere else. Unfortunately, a lot of the media coverage around gun violence that occurs in schools, that's sort of gripped the public imagination and some degree, rightfully so because it's a sort of an absolute affront to the conscience to see the sort of gun violence happen in schools regardless of how common or uncommon it is. But in another sense there's been this sort of undue fear that has been stoked to where there's this idea that schools are dangerous places that need to be locked down and targets that need to be hardened in certain ways so that strangers or students with guns and ill-intentions can't do violence there.

Jen 08:12

Yeah, I think parental fears are really key issue and some research that I saw in that said that somewhere between 25% and 30% of parents sort of have this sort of like a background level of fear about the researchers quiz them on their oldest child’s safety while in school in most years. And right after Columbine that spiked up to about 55% and then I guess there was another incident in Santee, which I think is in Florida, that was led to a spike in 45% and then only up to 33% right after Sandy Hook. So I wonder if people were sort of becoming a little bit immune to it. You know, the spikes were not quite so high each time above that baseline level, but still that's a very, I mean a third of parents almost are between a quarter and a third of parents have some kind of fear about their child's safety in school.

Dr. Fisher 08:57

What I think was interesting is that a parallel research that has been conducted with students finds almost no effect of these shootings. So, I've conducted research where we measured students' levels of fear and feelings of safety at school and Sandy Hook happened to occur right in the middle of our data collection. So, we could compare those students right before or right after and there are similar research done by Lynn Addington around the Columbine shooting in 1999. And both studies found statistically significant effects, but ones that were so small as to actually be practically zero. So, essentially no changes in students' perceptions of safety or fear. So, this fear seems to be...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[A few months ago a listener in my own home town reached out because a potentially incendiary device had been found on the elementary school property, and many parents were demanding disaster drill training in response.  The listener wanted to know whether there is any research on whether these drills are actually effective in preparing children for these situations, and whether it’s possible that they might actually cause psychological damage.

In this episode we review the (scant) evidence available on drills themselves, and also take a broader look at the kinds of measures used in schools in the name of keeping our children safe – but which may actually have the opposite from intended effect.
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Jen 01:21

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have another serious topic to cover today and it's probably one that you don't want to listen to with children around. I received a question from listener Selena about 6 months ago saying that an incendiary device had been discovered on the grounds of the public school that my daughter would actually going to be attend if we weren't going to homeschool. And that some of the parents who were very worried and were demanding video surveillance and disaster preparedness drills and she wants to know whether there was any research available about the impacts of drills to prepare children for things like active shooters. And I wanted to know are these drills effective? And then when I started researching this issue, I went down a complete rabbit hole related to the effectiveness of other kinds of school security measures as well as bullying, as a potential cause of violence in schools.

Jen 02:08

And the kind of relational aggression that girls particularly to practice as well. So expect episodes on those topics soon in the coming months. But here to kick us off today on this mini series is Dr. Ben Fisher. He's Assistant Professor in the Department of Criminal Justice at University of Louisville. Dr. Fisher’s research focuses on the intersection of education and criminal justice, but particular focus on school safety, security and discipline. He approaches this research from an interdisciplinary perspective with a focus on inequality that is grounded in his Ph.D. in community research and action from Vanderbilt University, which prepared him to work on this view from a social justice orientation. Welcome Dr. Fisher.

Dr. Fisher 02:46

Thank you. Glad to be here.

Jen 02:47

And so before we get going with our conversation today, I do want to just take a minute and acknowledge that we're recording this in the week after a gunman killed 22 people in Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and then another gunman killed 9 people outside a bar in Dayton, Ohio. So, it feels very raw to me to be discussing this today. We're going to talk today about the likelihood that a child will be killed in a school shooting. And despite the impression that we might get from the endless news cycles that keep these kinds of incidents top of mind when they happen, our chances of dying from many other causes are far, far greater than dying during a mass murder. But despite this, I do believe there are too many guns in our society and not enough control over who has access to them and what they do once they have them.

Jen 03:30

And I also think that these kinds of events are not the ultimate problems we need to deal with. Yes, we need to make it much more difficult to access guns. So, people who feel disaffected can't harm large numbers of people very easily and instituting tighter gun control in a country where so much of the political power is tied to the money provided by the gun lobby currently seems like a really insurmountable challenge. But in my mind, the far greater challenges, the one facing our families and schools where we need to address what is leading children and later adults to feel so disconnected from their families and communities, but the best tool they have to express their emotions is to kill people. So with that said, let's talk about some ways we might be able to do this. Okay. So let's start by putting this topic in context because I think many parents, myself included before I started this research, are probably under the impression that there's kind of an epidemic of violence and particularly violence perpetrated by people with guns in schools. Dr. Fisher, can you help us understand whether that is in fact the case?

Dr. Fisher 04:26

Well, we certainly do have a problem with violence in our country as we've seen in very clear fashion this past week. However, the statistics also indicate that our countries become safer and safer over the past two decades in terms of crime and victimization rights. Schools in particular have not been as safe as they are in the past 20 years in terms of rates of all sorts of crime and violence in schools. So although violence certainly does continue to be a problem, particularly gun violence and many of its forms compared to where we were two decades ago, things are going fairly well.

Jen 05:02

Yeah, I was really surprised by that. It seemed as though there was sort of a high watermark around 1992 and 1993 where the rate of homicide risk was much higher than it has been in the more recent years, I think with the exception of the year of the Sandy Hook shooting. And why do you think that is?

Dr. Fisher

05:21 Well, it's been across the board with all types of crime and violence. It's not just gun violence, although it does include that. Part of that is most certainly regression to the mean where when stuffs gets really bad, it is going to get better on average. When stuffs going really well, it's going to get worse on average. So that's gotta be part of it in my mind. And I'm a little less familiar with sort of the broader sociological explanations around long-term reductions in crime, but we've seen parallel trends in community policing strategies where officers are more focused on building relationships with community members instead of going out and cracking skulls, only I say that and just mostly, but they're less concerned about, you know, just finding and responding to crime. There's a lot more of a proactive approach. So, there's that law enforcement perspective on it, but that's not too much of my area of expertise. So, I don't want to step away like too much here.

Jen 06:19

No worries. A couple of the stats that stuck out to me as I was researching that was the deaths by different causes over that period. And bicycle accident was one of the highest ones at 2,400 and this is deaths of children by various causes, a fire accident of some kind 1900 and change, accidental fall around 1700, lightning strikes 251 and then school shootings 113 children. And then just to put that number in context, only about half a percent of the 24,000 children who were murdered in that period between 1999 and 2013 were killed at school. So I think there is still a lot of violence in our society and there are definitely children who are meeting an end way before their time is due, but only a tiny fraction of those are actually happening in school. I was I guess maybe I just hadn't thought about it, but those isolated incidents tend not to get the same coverage that the large scale incidents at school have. I think maybe part of it.

Dr. Fisher 07:20

Yeah, that's right. Statistically speaking, schools are among the safest place for children and youth to be compared to other homes, neighborhoods, or almost anywhere else. Unfortunately, a lot of the media coverage around gun violence that occurs in schools, that's sort of gripped the public imagination and some degree, rightfully so because it's a sort of an absolute affront to the conscience to see the sort of gun violence happen in schools regardless of how common or uncommon it is. But in another sense there's been this sort of undue fear that has been stoked to where there's this idea that schools are dangerous places that need to be locked down and targets that need to be hardened in certain ways so that strangers or students with guns and ill-intentions can't do violence there.

Jen 08:12

Yeah, I think parental fears are really key issue and some research that I saw in that said that somewhere between 25% and 30% of parents sort of have this sort of like a background level of fear about the researchers quiz them on their oldest child’s safety while in school in most years. And right after Columbine that spiked up to about 55% and then I guess there was another incident in Santee, which I think is in Florida, that was led to a spike in 45% and then only up to 33% right after Sandy Hook. So I wonder if people were sort of becoming a little bit immune to it. You know, the spikes were not quite so high each time above that baseline level, but still that's a very, I mean a third of parents almost are between a quarter and a third of parents have some kind of fear about their child's safety in school.

Dr. Fisher 08:57

What I think was interesting is that a parallel research that has been conducted with students finds almost no effect of these shootings. So, I've conducted research where we measured students' levels of fear and feelings of safety at school and Sandy Hook happened to occur right in the middle of our data collection. So, we could compare those students right before or right after and there are similar research done by Lynn Addington around the Columbine shooting in 1999. And both studies found statistically significant effects, but ones that were so small as to actually be practically zero. So, essentially no changes in students' perceptions of safety or fear. So, this fear seems to be taking hold mostly in our adults and less so in our students.

Jen 09:47

Do you have any sense as to why that is? Is it because the adults are watching these news cycles and that they're trying to protect the children from it and so the children aren't exposed to as much information or what's your sense on that?

Dr. Fisher 09:59

I don't know. I don't have a strong sense of that. I can tell you that when I'm confronting potential danger, I'm usually more worried about the people I'm with than I am about my own safety. So it may be that sort of a factor, you know, parents love very few people in the world more than their own children and then maybe they just maybe sensitized to that.

Jen 10:19

Yeah. Okay. And so as we heard about at the beginning of the episode is often parents who will then call for more security at schools, particularly after an incident at another school as sort of prompted their fears. And so I want to spend some time talking about what kinds of security are now in place in schools. So maybe we could walk through some of these and just talk about what they are and what kind of effects they have. So, the first one is the Gun-Free Schools Act that was enacted in 1994 and I think it calls for States to enact laws requiring that a student who brings a firearm or who possesses a firearm at school to be expelled for a period of not less than one year. How effective has that been? What do you know about that particular act?

Dr. Fisher 11:01

Yeah, that act is credited largely with bringing in sort of this era of zero tolerance discipline into schools. And so it began with, as you mentioned, guns in schools and it quickly expanded to drugs as well. And then schools have followed that approach to extend it to other things such as fighting, even repeated offenses of more minor actions. So, when folks talk about zero tolerance, they sometimes talk about specific policies, like if you bring a gun to school, you're out. But a lot of researchers are also talking about this culture of zero tolerance where disciplinary strategies are bound up in the use of school security measures that are used to monitor and surveil students. And just sort of this sense that schools, yes are places of education, but also places of control. So critical scholars who look back to the Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 largely point to that as legislation that has ushered in that era.

Jen 12:04

Yeah, and I think on the face of it, it seems like a really valid thing to do. You know, yeah, no kid should have a gun in school. No child should have a knife in a school. Yes, they should be sort of things that are non-negotiable. But I think, 75% of schools now have these policies, but I read in an American Psychological Association report that found there is little evidence that this act is a deterrent firstly for people who are planning to do these kinds of things, they're going to bring it to school anyway. They don't increase school safety. They're disproportionately applied to students of non-dominant cultures. And you hear all the time in the news about, you know, some person who there was a kid who picked up her mom's lunchbox and her mom had a paring knife in her lunchbox so that she could cut an apple up at her work. And so the child finds it immediately, hands it in and gets kicked out of school. So once you look below the surface, how effective do you think this zero tolerance policies are? Are there instead of intended goal of reducing violence?

Dr. Fisher 12:58

Well, they're not effective and I think some of us would even argue that their intention wasn't as much to prevent violence as it was to exert control. So, from a violence prevention perspective, they have been ineffective. From a control perspective, they've been highly effective. As you mentioned, there's a high degree of disproportionality in who is being excluded from our schools, this largely students of color, students with disabilities. In that sense, this sort of zero tolerance culture has reinforced ideas of what is considered normal. What is the status quo has maintained a lot of those cultural paradigms.

Jen 13:39

Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about some of those more control and surveillance types of activities. I think 64% of public schools used cameras and this data is kind of out of date in the 2011-2012 school year. Is that increasing and what trends are you seeing around the use of cameras in schools?

Dr. Fisher 13:56

Yeah, that's been to my knowledge, one of the largest increases over the past decade or so to where the vast majority of schools now use security cameras. I assume this is largely driven by sort of the advent of new technology that seems to be happening on a weekly, monthly basis. And cameras are becoming cheaper and cheaper. I just completed a study earlier this year with two of my graduate students where we examined a set of 850 schools that implemented cameras between time one and time two and what time one and time two varied a little bit, but it was all within the 2000. So, within that 850 schools, some implemented cameras, some didn't. Then we compared, you know, was there a reduction in crime when you implement cameras? Did it make a difference for violent crime, for property crime, for more routine things like a bullying or gang activities in the school? And across outcome after outcome we saw zero effect, zero effect, zero effect.

Jen 15:01

Wow.

Dr. Fisher 15:02

Even though cameras are becoming more and more prevalent, statistically we're not seeing any improvement in crime outcomes, at least in the data that we used.
Jen: 15:11 Okay. So I want to sort of tease that out a little bit. I'm wondering, okay, so maybe there's this baseline level of crime and then cameras are implemented in the school. Is it possible that some children are deterred from committing crimes while other children are still committing them, but they're more likely to get caught? And so this sort of, you know, decrease in number but increase in number of people getting caught, are they canceling each other out and having that zero effect or do you think there’s something else going on?

Dr. Fisher 15:38

Oh, that's certainly possible. I can't rule that out. I also wonder and speculate if young people today are so desensitized to being on camera with having one or two cameras on each of our cell phones that we use having so many in public spaces. I wonder if there's just not the deterrent effect that there may have been in earlier decades.
Jen: 15:59 Oh, interesting. Yeah. It'd be interesting to compare that with an English dataset because you're on camera everywhere, everywhere you go in England. But that would be really interesting.

Dr. Fisher 16:09

Fascinating.

Jen 16:10

Yeah. So, I know that a lot of your researches focused on school security personnel and so there's a variety of forms these can take. There can be security guards, there can be actual police, there can be what's called school resource officers, which I think are police who are kind of deputized to the school. Can you talk a little bit about what your researchers found on those?

Dr. Fisher 16:30

Sure. Yeah, so I think to begin there are maybe some useful working definitions that we'll give. And I will say that the definitions that I use differ slightly from the ones that other researchers use, which differ slightly from ones that practitioners and people in schools use, which differ slightly from ones that the public uses. So, I'll sort of define the terms as I'm speaking about them and folks can chime in and tell me I'm wrong afterwards. So, yeah, I see a sort of three types of security personnel. One being security guards who are not part of a police force, they are not sworn officers, they don't have arrest powers, but they're there to sort of address behavior issues in school to keep a general sense of order. There's police officers who are not SROs, who are not School Resource Officers where they do have arrest powers.

Dr. Fisher 17:23

Typically, will carry a firearm. They’re assigned to a school maybe on a full time, maybe on a part time basis, but they don't have any sort of special training around working in schools or working with children and youth. Then finally School Resource Officers are a subset of police officers. So it's another form of school-based law enforcement. But when people talk about SROs, they typically talk about them in a context of folks who have had some sort of training around say, child and adolescent development or understanding the school system or things like that. On the ground, it’s not always the case that they have those sorts of trainings, but when people talk about them as a general idea. So most of the research that I have been involved in over the past two or three years has been with school resource officers.

Dr. Fisher 18:10

I've been partnering with two different school districts, one in a very urban area, one in a rural and suburban area. And I've done interviews with around 75 officers. And I've looked at some administrative data in the suburban district, talked with a variety of other stakeholders, teachers, students, parents. One of the major themes that we've found has been that context really matters in schools. So the context, both in terms of the school context, but also the neighborhood and community really shapes what SROs do, how they understand their jobs and what effects they have. How other folks perceive them.

Jen 18:49

Okay. And so I know that the incidents of having SROs in schools really increased dramatically after Columbine because the Federal Government made $475 million in grant money available to hire and train SROs despite any lack of empirical evidence of their effectiveness. So, I wonder if we can talk through what your research and the research of others has found about things like links between the use of SROs and other...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolsafety]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4210</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/859c333b-7138-4682-9d5c-e0441c504e04/school-safetyfinal.mp3" length="66186887" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>A few months ago a listener in my own home town reached out because a potentially incendiary device had been found on the elementary school property, and many parents were demanding disaster drill training in response.  The listener wanted to know whether there is any research on whether these drills are actually effective in preparing children for these situations, and whether it’s possible that they might actually cause psychological damage.
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Another listener recommended Dr. Diane Ehrensaft’s book The Gender-Creative Child, and we are fortunate that Dr. Ehrensaft quickly agreed to speak. Listener Elizabeth co-interviews with me as we learn how to truly listen to our children when they tell us about their gender, and what we can do to help them navigate a world full of people who may know very little about – and even fear – children whose gender does not conform to expectations.

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While we didn’t get a chance to discuss it (too many other topics to cover!), you might also be interested to learn about the <a href="https://www.theybyparenting.com/">“They-by” movement</a>, which advocates for allowing children to choose their own gender when they feel the time is right, rather than the parents assigning a gender at birth based on the child’s genetalia.

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Here are some especially recommended resources:

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<strong>Human Rights Campaign’s Guide on supporting transgender children:</strong> <a href="https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf?_ga=2.156922811.1499059672.1559845994-1938179427.1559845994">https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf?_ga=2.156922811.1499059672.1559845994-1938179427.1559845994</a>

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<strong>Recommended books for children – for ALL children, not just those actively exploring their gender identity</strong> (note: these are affiliate links):

<a href="https://amzn.to/31r5Q1u">10,000 Dresses</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/31mOxPc">The Adventures of Tulip, Birthday Wish Fairy</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/31r9jNF">My Princess Boy</a>

<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Paper-Bag-Princess-25th-Anniversary/dp/1550379151/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-1518607-6617001?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=1550379151&amp;pd_rd_r=bb7ffc05-7525-4a3e-9076-2f15c2a8e1a2&amp;pd_rd_w=swEfm&amp;pd_rd_wg=kLe7e&amp;pf_rd_p=1c11b7ff-9ffb-4ba6-8036-be1b0afa79bb&amp;pf_rd_r=V1G7C8AWXG0NPP95E4XV&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=V1G7C8AWXG0NPP95E4XV">The Paperbag Princess</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YRc50Z">Mama, Mommy, and Me</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YDtDhC">Daddy, Papa, and Me</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YRCfk5">Who Are You? The Kid’s Guide to Gender Identity</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YJtfi1">I am Jazz</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YQpJ0g">Julian is a Mermaid</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YDtQ4o">Introducing Teddy</a>

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Jen: 00:01:21

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today, we're going to talk about a topic that originated from a question in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. Now, sometimes I have questions on my list for a long time, but other times when someone expresses an interest in a topic, they also point me toward a place to start the research, which really does speed things up and that's actually what happened with this episode. So, listener Elizabeth asked if I'd done an episode on children's gender identity and some other listeners chimed in with potential resources, one of which was Dr. Diane Ehrensaft’s book, The Gender Creative Child. And after I read the book, I knew that Dr. Diane Ehrensaft was the right person to talk to about this topic. So, she's here with us today. Dr. Ehrensaft is a Developmental and Clinical Psychologist in the San Francisco Bay Area and the Director of Mental Health and founding member of the Child and Adolescent Gender Center, a partnership between the University of California, San Francisco and community agencies to provide comprehensive into disciplinary services and advocacy to gender conforming and transgender children and youth and their families. She's an Associate Professor of Pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco and the chief psychologist at the UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital Child and Adolescent Gender Center Clinic. Her research and writing focuses on the areas of child development, gender, gender nonconforming and transgender children and youth parenting, parent-child relationships and LGBTQI families. She also serves on the board of Gender Spectrum and National Organization offering educational training and advocacy services to promote gender acceptance for youth of all genders. Welcome Dr. Ehrensaft.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:02:52

Thank you so much for having me.

Jen: 00:02:54

So, to help us understand more about the research on this topic as well as what to do with it practically in our real lives as parents, listener Elizabeth is here as well. Her child, John was assigned a male gender at birth. John is now 4 and has been telling his parents pretty insistently for a while now that he is a girl, even though he still likes to use the pronouns he, him and his as well as the name his parents gave him at birth. Welcome Elizabeth.

Elizabeth: 00:03:18

Thank you. I am glad to be here as well.

Jen: 00:03:20

And so I do want to say briefly before we get started that even if your child seems fairly convinced that the gender they were assigned at birth is the one they want to express, that you might want to listen to this episode anyway because I'd say there's a reasonable chance that somebody in your child's class is probably somehow exploring their gender identity. And so knowing the information we're gonna discuss today will help both you and your child be a better friend and ally. So, let's start off with some terminology please, Dr. Ehrensaft because I didn't know a lot about this topic before I started researching it. And even now I find I have to constantly revisit the definitions to remember what's what. So, can you kind of give us a crash course in some of the terminology we’ll be using today, please?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:04:00

Absolutely. So, we start out with what we call the sex designated at birth and the sex designated at birth is usually what you will see on a birth certificate and it's typically one or the other F or M and that essentially is based primarily on your chromosomes, whether you have XX or XY chromosomes. And it's usually determined by whoever delivered the baby, looking between the baby's legs and seeing what genitalia up here and then declaring the sex of the baby. It's often declared before birth these days in a sonogram, so that you can know early in your child's gestation what people think the sex of your baby's going to be. So it's just physical. Gender is the next thing. And that's very different than sex. We actually don't assign a gender at birth. We assign a sex at birth and that's the physical part.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:04:58

Then the world around the baby comes in to match that sex with the gender. And the gender is really how we live out being male, female or other in the world and it's based both on inside and outside. And certainly has a very strong social component, looks really different from one culture to another, but I don't know any culture in the world that does not use some organization around gender, not necessarily into boxes. And when we understand gender, let’s divide that up. There's a gender identity and that is who I know myself to be as male, female or other. It's just an inner sense of being. Your gender expressions have more to do with how you do gender. For a little kid that might be the clothes they wear, the toys they play with, the kids they want to play with, the activities that they want to do, how they move and so forth.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:06:00

And sometimes we lump the two together and it's really important to keep them separate. And those two things, again, needs to be kept separate from our sexual identities. And we often lump all three together, gender identity, gender expressions and sexual identity or orientation. They are absolutely different. Gender is one path, sexuality is another, then they cross, but really your sexuality is who you desire, who you are attracted to, who you want to be with. And it might be someone who is the same gender as you, someone who's opposite or different gender than you. All these things come in quite different combinations, which is the beauty of it all.

Jen: 00:06:44

Okay. Already having a hard time keeping it straight in my head. So to summarize, I guess gender identity and expression is kind of about who you are. Is that a good way of thinking about it? And sexual identity and expression is about who you desire?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:06:59

Mm-hmm.

Jen: 00:07:00

Okay. Okay, super. That helps then. And so then we start talking about things like cisgender, gender-expansive. Can you talk a little bit about those?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:07:08

Yes. The cisgender people in the world are the people who are experiencing the gender they lived at, usually starting out with who their parents assumed them to be based on their sex. And so their gender is the same and matches the sex designated to them at birth. So, those are our cisgender people. And then our transgender or gender-expansive people, people who are saying, I have a different match. It's not based in our culture, the gender binary boy, girl, man, woman. So it might be, for example, a little person who says, you all have it wrong. You think I'm a boy, but I am a girl, I am a girl with a penis. I'm an XY girl. So, transgender means a cross that your gender does not match the sex designated to you at birth and those are transgender children.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:08:14...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Recently a listener posted a question in the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group</a> asking about research related to children who are assigned to one gender at birth, but later realize that this assigned gender doesn’t match the gender they experience.

&nbsp;

Another listener recommended Dr. Diane Ehrensaft’s book The Gender-Creative Child, and we are fortunate that Dr. Ehrensaft quickly agreed to speak. Listener Elizabeth co-interviews with me as we learn how to truly listen to our children when they tell us about their gender, and what we can do to help them navigate a world full of people who may know very little about – and even fear – children whose gender does not conform to expectations.

&nbsp;

While we didn’t get a chance to discuss it (too many other topics to cover!), you might also be interested to learn about the <a href="https://www.theybyparenting.com/">“They-by” movement</a>, which advocates for allowing children to choose their own gender when they feel the time is right, rather than the parents assigning a gender at birth based on the child’s genetalia.

&nbsp;

Here are some especially recommended resources:

&nbsp;

<strong>Human Rights Campaign’s Guide on supporting transgender children:</strong> <a href="https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf?_ga=2.156922811.1499059672.1559845994-1938179427.1559845994">https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf?_ga=2.156922811.1499059672.1559845994-1938179427.1559845994</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Recommended books for children – for ALL children, not just those actively exploring their gender identity</strong> (note: these are affiliate links):

<a href="https://amzn.to/31r5Q1u">10,000 Dresses</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/31mOxPc">The Adventures of Tulip, Birthday Wish Fairy</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/31r9jNF">My Princess Boy</a>

<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Paper-Bag-Princess-25th-Anniversary/dp/1550379151/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-1518607-6617001?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=1550379151&amp;pd_rd_r=bb7ffc05-7525-4a3e-9076-2f15c2a8e1a2&amp;pd_rd_w=swEfm&amp;pd_rd_wg=kLe7e&amp;pf_rd_p=1c11b7ff-9ffb-4ba6-8036-be1b0afa79bb&amp;pf_rd_r=V1G7C8AWXG0NPP95E4XV&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=V1G7C8AWXG0NPP95E4XV">The Paperbag Princess</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YRc50Z">Mama, Mommy, and Me</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YDtDhC">Daddy, Papa, and Me</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YRCfk5">Who Are You? The Kid’s Guide to Gender Identity</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YJtfi1">I am Jazz</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YQpJ0g">Julian is a Mermaid</a>

<a href="https://amzn.to/2YDtQ4o">Introducing Teddy</a>

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Jen: 00:01:21

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today, we're going to talk about a topic that originated from a question in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. Now, sometimes I have questions on my list for a long time, but other times when someone expresses an interest in a topic, they also point me toward a place to start the research, which really does speed things up and that's actually what happened with this episode. So, listener Elizabeth asked if I'd done an episode on children's gender identity and some other listeners chimed in with potential resources, one of which was Dr. Diane Ehrensaft’s book, The Gender Creative Child. And after I read the book, I knew that Dr. Diane Ehrensaft was the right person to talk to about this topic. So, she's here with us today. Dr. Ehrensaft is a Developmental and Clinical Psychologist in the San Francisco Bay Area and the Director of Mental Health and founding member of the Child and Adolescent Gender Center, a partnership between the University of California, San Francisco and community agencies to provide comprehensive into disciplinary services and advocacy to gender conforming and transgender children and youth and their families. She's an Associate Professor of Pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco and the chief psychologist at the UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital Child and Adolescent Gender Center Clinic. Her research and writing focuses on the areas of child development, gender, gender nonconforming and transgender children and youth parenting, parent-child relationships and LGBTQI families. She also serves on the board of Gender Spectrum and National Organization offering educational training and advocacy services to promote gender acceptance for youth of all genders. Welcome Dr. Ehrensaft.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:02:52

Thank you so much for having me.

Jen: 00:02:54

So, to help us understand more about the research on this topic as well as what to do with it practically in our real lives as parents, listener Elizabeth is here as well. Her child, John was assigned a male gender at birth. John is now 4 and has been telling his parents pretty insistently for a while now that he is a girl, even though he still likes to use the pronouns he, him and his as well as the name his parents gave him at birth. Welcome Elizabeth.

Elizabeth: 00:03:18

Thank you. I am glad to be here as well.

Jen: 00:03:20

And so I do want to say briefly before we get started that even if your child seems fairly convinced that the gender they were assigned at birth is the one they want to express, that you might want to listen to this episode anyway because I'd say there's a reasonable chance that somebody in your child's class is probably somehow exploring their gender identity. And so knowing the information we're gonna discuss today will help both you and your child be a better friend and ally. So, let's start off with some terminology please, Dr. Ehrensaft because I didn't know a lot about this topic before I started researching it. And even now I find I have to constantly revisit the definitions to remember what's what. So, can you kind of give us a crash course in some of the terminology we’ll be using today, please?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:04:00

Absolutely. So, we start out with what we call the sex designated at birth and the sex designated at birth is usually what you will see on a birth certificate and it's typically one or the other F or M and that essentially is based primarily on your chromosomes, whether you have XX or XY chromosomes. And it's usually determined by whoever delivered the baby, looking between the baby's legs and seeing what genitalia up here and then declaring the sex of the baby. It's often declared before birth these days in a sonogram, so that you can know early in your child's gestation what people think the sex of your baby's going to be. So it's just physical. Gender is the next thing. And that's very different than sex. We actually don't assign a gender at birth. We assign a sex at birth and that's the physical part.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:04:58

Then the world around the baby comes in to match that sex with the gender. And the gender is really how we live out being male, female or other in the world and it's based both on inside and outside. And certainly has a very strong social component, looks really different from one culture to another, but I don't know any culture in the world that does not use some organization around gender, not necessarily into boxes. And when we understand gender, let’s divide that up. There's a gender identity and that is who I know myself to be as male, female or other. It's just an inner sense of being. Your gender expressions have more to do with how you do gender. For a little kid that might be the clothes they wear, the toys they play with, the kids they want to play with, the activities that they want to do, how they move and so forth.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:06:00

And sometimes we lump the two together and it's really important to keep them separate. And those two things, again, needs to be kept separate from our sexual identities. And we often lump all three together, gender identity, gender expressions and sexual identity or orientation. They are absolutely different. Gender is one path, sexuality is another, then they cross, but really your sexuality is who you desire, who you are attracted to, who you want to be with. And it might be someone who is the same gender as you, someone who's opposite or different gender than you. All these things come in quite different combinations, which is the beauty of it all.

Jen: 00:06:44

Okay. Already having a hard time keeping it straight in my head. So to summarize, I guess gender identity and expression is kind of about who you are. Is that a good way of thinking about it? And sexual identity and expression is about who you desire?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:06:59

Mm-hmm.

Jen: 00:07:00

Okay. Okay, super. That helps then. And so then we start talking about things like cisgender, gender-expansive. Can you talk a little bit about those?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:07:08

Yes. The cisgender people in the world are the people who are experiencing the gender they lived at, usually starting out with who their parents assumed them to be based on their sex. And so their gender is the same and matches the sex designated to them at birth. So, those are our cisgender people. And then our transgender or gender-expansive people, people who are saying, I have a different match. It's not based in our culture, the gender binary boy, girl, man, woman. So it might be, for example, a little person who says, you all have it wrong. You think I'm a boy, but I am a girl, I am a girl with a penis. I'm an XY girl. So, transgender means a cross that your gender does not match the sex designated to you at birth and those are transgender children.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:08:14

Gender-expansive children are also children who say, look, it's not an exact fit for me, so we're going to have to expand it some because it's not totally working for me. They may have a gender identity that's a good match for the sex designated at birth. So, maybe they were born, somebody said, oh, you have a boy. And they say, yeah, I'm a boy, but I don't like the rules for boy. And I like dresses. I like to play the Mommy in all my role play activities, but I am a boy and that’s the way I like to do. So, those would be different combinations that wouldn't be your fit under the cisgender umbrella.

Jen: 00:08:59

Okay, that's really helpful. And so in the reading that I was doing about this, I think I learned that there's really no inherent problem with not feeling like the gender you were assigned at birth or I guess would it be more correct to say the sex you’re assigned at birth?

Dr. Ehrensaft:

00:09:14 I like to use the sex assigned at birth.

Jen: 00:09:15

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. So the sex you are assigned at birth, but we also have a diagnosable disorder related to this, right? Can you talk about that nuance, please?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:09:26

There is a history of diagnosis for gender for children and it actually began when the diagnosis of homosexuality was taken out of the American DSM (Diagnostic Statistical Manual). And what took its place when homosexuality was removed from the books in the 1970s was a new diagnosis for gender. So, we now have gender identity disorder to basically pinpoint those people who did not feel cisgender as I just described it. And that diagnosis remained on the books for a long time. And then it was changed recently to gender dysphoria, which is a step up from gender identity disorder because it really just designates those people now who feel distress about their designated sex at birth, not being a good match for the gender they know themselves to be. So it's a step up, but from my perspective it's not good enough because there's still places that under the category of a mental disorder or a mental problem and it pathologizes what I call gender infinity, all different kinds of gender modalities, the rainbow of gender.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:10:52

So, it is a controversial issue in the field right now. And I will disclose that I am a proponent of, particularly with children, removing the diagnosis from any mental health manual because the intent right now is to depathologize gender and say it's the beauty of humanity to have such a wide variation of gender and all its possibilities. And there is nothing that is unusual or mentally discordant about that. And I would like to give a new diagnosis and I call that social gender dysphoria. It’s the society that needs to be treated, not the child.

Jen: 00:11:41

Yeah. And I imagine health insurance programs wouldn't pay for that, isn't it? But yeah, that was sort of where I was thinking on this was it seems to me that the dysphoria, which is sort of the discomfort, is arising from the lack of support that the child feels may be from their parents, may be from society and not from these sort of feelings of not feeling an alignment between their sex and gender.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:12:04

I think that's absolutely correct. I will say that with all the support in the world, we still have some kids who feel uncomfortable about the poor body match for themselves. And I do think that this is exacerbated by continuing to say boys have penises, girls have vaginas, rather, there are penis-embodied people and vagina-embodied people and most vagina-embodied people identify as girls, but some are boys, etc., etc. So, I think we always will need to pay attention to people who would like to be able to bring their body in better alignment with the gender they know themselves to be. But we might want to get rid of the word dysphoria for that and just call it discordance.

Jen: 00:12:59

Yeah. And so just kind of playing on that for a few minutes, I have a bit of a long sort of statement/question before we start getting into the super practical stuff and pulling Elizabeth in for that. So, we talked about how the diagnostic and statistical manual does list this gender dysphoria as a pathological condition and in the previous 4th edition of the DSM, the diagnosis was gender identity disorder in children abbreviated to GIDC. And so the shift is that in the 4th edition it was the cross-gender identification itself that was the problem. Whereas now it's discomfort without identification is the problem. And so I just want to tip my hat to Dr. Jake Pyne, who is a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Guelph for putting some things into words that were kind of swirling around in my mind and I couldn't quite figure out.

Jen: 00:13:44

And so Dr. Pyne notes that Dr. Ken Zucker, who was a big proponent of this GIDC diagnosis defends it based on “expert consensus”. So in other words, if a bunch of experts think that something is an illness, then it's an illness. And the threat of social ostracism is cited as sufficient rationale for treatment. And Dr. Zucker said that children often misclassify their own gender and he believes a child who disagrees with a clinician is inherently wrong. And it isn't society's phobia of gender variant people, but rather the active being gender variant itself that causes distress in children. And this diagnosis is the result of poor parenting. It's up to the clinician to save the child from their inevitable fate as a social outcast and remake the child into a normal person. And so this shows up in places like the DSM, which has this unstated but nevertheless powerful view of what normal is, which is White and heterosexual and male.

Jen: 00:14:38

And so it's kind of unfortunate that it's the psychologists who carry a lot of the weight of responsibility for the way that gender variant people have been persecuted since it’s their theories that legitimize the actions taken by people like teachers and social workers who control what a child does as well as parents who are taught to surveil their children and administer this humiliation and a desire for success in normalcy. And while the three of us on the call today are all White, I also want to acknowledge the Black and Brown youths who face an incredibly potent combination of threats. There was one researcher whose work I read said that I quote “I always marvel at the ways in which non-White children survive a White supremacist US culture that prays on them. I'm equally in awe of the ways in which queer children navigate a homophobic public sphere that would rather they did not exist. The psychic survival of children who are both queer and racially identified as non-White is nothing short of staggering.”

Jen: 00:15:32

And so Dr. Ehrensaft, I know you were co-interviewed with Dr. Zucker for an NPR show in 2008 where you acknowledged that his approach to treating GIDC was still the most prevalent one, but his clinic has since been closed down after it emerged the children he treated were not experiencing positive outcomes. And your model of embracing gender variance is becoming much more normalized. So, I'm sorry to put you on the spot here, but I wonder if you could speak just briefly to the way in which gender variance has been kind of problematized over the years. And we as a society have tried to make gender-variant people fit into our norms rather than adapting our norms to fit this huge variation in the human experience.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:16:12

So, I want to start out by having my field be accountable and that is the field of psychology, mental health, gender studies, and we are the best of the worlds and the worst of worlds. And some of the so-called experts who based the shaping of a diagnosis on research should be humbled enough now to say they were wrong. The research was flawed and history is proving them wrong and I would say going back to the interview on NPR in 2008, at that time I remember being put on the spot around the question about whose model is more prevalent and I had to be honest and I think I gave a nervous laugh and said, oh, Ken’s. If you ask me now in 2019 and not just because his particular clinic has been closed, but because what has happened in this last decade, I will tell you without a doubt that our model which is the gender affirmative model is the ascendant model of care throughout the world right now and I'm very happy to be able to say that because I think we are repairing what did great damage to gender-expansive people, particularly children throughout history and continues to damage children every time someone tries to employ reparative or conversion therapy with the child to make them conform to what society wants them to be.

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:17:42

The challenge to that that we are offering is to basically enhance these kids resilience and the adults around them and the Trans Community and also to both educate and increase the gender literacy in the world around them because it's the support of others and their own resilience, persistence and gender creativity that's going to make such a better world for everybody. As you said in the introduction, this is not just about children who are gender-expansive. This is about any child who has a gender and every child in our culture has a gender and the acceptance in the room at the table for everybody as not just being but it is dividing will hopefully challenge the kind of intersectionality of oppression that you mentioned before that can happen no matter what it is that creates you as a category of being other than what someone else said was normative.

Jen: 00:18:50

Yeah, and thank you for addressing that. And I'm wondering what happens to a child if we don't permit them to live as the gender that they perceive themselves to be?

Dr. Ehrensaft: 00:19:01

The data coming in is simple, elegant and common sense....]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/gendercreative]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4202</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d28e1586-b223-4d3b-9237-35330f5faf30/gender-creative-childfinal.mp3" length="88168928" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:13:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Recently a listener posted a question in the https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/ (Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group) asking about research related to children who are assigned to one gender at birth, but later realize that this assigned gender doesn’t match the gender they experience.
Another listener recommended Dr. Diane Ehrensaft’s book The Gender-Creative Child, and we are fortunate that Dr. Ehrensaft quickly agreed to speak. Listener Elizabeth co-interviews with me as we learn how to truly listen to our children when they tell us about their gender, and what we can do to help them navigate a world full of people who may know very little about – and even fear – children whose gender does not conform to expectations.
While we didn’t get a chance to discuss it (too many other topics to cover!), you might also be interested to learn about the https://www.theybyparenting.com/ (“They-by” movement), which advocates for allowing children to choose their own gender when they feel the time is right, rather than the parents assigning a gender at birth based on the child’s genetalia.
 
Here are some especially recommended resources:
Human Rights Campaign’s Guide on supporting transgender children: https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf?_ga=2.156922811.1499059672.1559845994-1938179427.1559845994 (https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf?_ga=2.156922811.1499059672.1559845994-1938179427.1559845994)
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https://amzn.to/31r5Q1u (10,000 Dresses)
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https://amzn.to/2YRc50Z (Mama, Mommy, and Me)
https://amzn.to/2YDtDhC (Daddy, Papa, and Me)
https://amzn.to/2YRCfk5 (Who Are You? The Kid’s Guide to Gender Identity)
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<strong>If you want to be sure to remember this info, there’s a FREE one-page cheat sheet of the 5 Key Steps Parents Can Take to Prevent Sexual Abuse available here:</strong>
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Jen: 01:26

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a pretty serious topic to cover today and it's what I've been thinking about for a long time now. In 2016 the USA gymnastics sexual assault scandal broke and we learned that Dr. Larry Nassar had been sexually assaulting gymnast for years as he claimed to be providing them legitimate medical treatment. Now obviously there were failings at so many levels here. This was reported and ignored and covered up at many levels. But one thing that stuck in the back of my mind was an interview with gymnast Aly Raisman where she said she really thought this was what medical treatment was like and I want to be 100% clear that I'm not blaming Raisman or any other gymnast who had this awful experience, but I just couldn't get my head around how and why she didn't know she was being sexually abused.

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Jen: 02:11

I realized that it's at least partly because we live in a culture where we don't talk about this. We don't teach children to watch for warning signs and we don't look out for them ourselves as parents or we pretend we don't see them. We just stick our head in the sand. So today's episode is probably not one you want to listen to with children around because we're going to be very explicit and discussing sexual abuse and how to prevent it. I also want to give a shout out to listener Christine who helped me to think through some great questions to ask my guest today. I spent a really long time looking for someone to talk with us about this and finally found the right person. Dr. Jennie Noll is Professor of Human Development and Family Studies and Director of the Child Maltreatment Solutions Network at Penn State University.

&nbsp;

Jen: 02:52

She earned her Ph.D. in Developmental Psychology and Statistical Methodology from the University of Southern California. The reason I’m so interested to talk with her about this topic is because she has active research projects on two topics that are very important to us, the long-term health outcomes for victims of child sexual abuse and programs for the prevention of that abuse. Welcome Dr. Noll.

&nbsp;

Dr. Noll: 03:13

Thank you very much for the opportunity.

&nbsp;

Jen: 03:16

So before we get started, I actually also want to mention that I took the training that Dr. Noll studies and it's called Stewards of Children and it's published by an organization called Darkness to Light. I've created a free one page guide to preventing sexual abuse that you can download from this episode's page at YourParentingMojo.com/SexualAbuse. So we're going to talk a lot more about the Stewards of Children program today I imagine. But I wonder if we can get started by looking at the mental health or the general health actually impacts of sexual abuse because I was really surprised to find out how many of these there are. Can you walk us through these and do we have any indication of how likely they are to occur in a child who is chronically abused for years versus one who experiences abuse that it's discovered or reported fairly quickly.

&nbsp;

Dr. Noll: 03:58

Yeah, very good. So what we've understood and this has been my work for the last 30 years, what we've understood really well as sort of the mental health and emotional health consequences of abuse. We have pretty good trauma informed treatments for mental health. These are things like persisting posttraumatic stress disorder, other anxiety disorders, depression, other sorts of attachment related disorders in terms of not being able to attach to a partner, relationship difficulties, and substance abuse. These kinds of things that we normally think about as mental health or emotional health. But what we're learning I think in the last decade is something that surprised a lot of us and that is just how we see sort of physical health consequences that we didn't really anticipate when we were just studying mental and emotional health and these are things like physical health disorders, these are heart attacks, obesity, strokes, stress-related diseases like inflammation, interferences with disease processes.

Dr. Noll: 05:04 These are the kinds of things that we see in chronically stressed populations like PTSD Vietnam vets, people who have endured long and chronic stressors in their lives early on. And we think about this as how does stress sort of get under the skin and impact physiology? And we're talking about not just disease process but brain development, right? Other sorts of major organs, systems, the stress response system. So after studying survivors, which I have done for over 30 years and across generations, we're really starting to see a strong causal influence of early sexual abuse on long-term health outcomes because of the early and chronic exposure to stress and the stress hormone cortisol and other assaults on the stress response system.

&nbsp;

Jen: 05:57

Wow, that's incredible. So that completely makes sense from the sort of chronically abused perspective, if the stress is ongoing for a really long period of time. Do you see similar effects in people who have this experience maybe once or twice and it's discovered fairly quickly?

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Dr. Noll: 06:13

Yeah, that's a great question. It has two parts to the answer and my answer would be it depends. It sort of depends on what outcome you're looking at. For example, when we look at things like, sexual development, promiscuity, teen pregnancy, sort of more sort of sexual outcomes, right? Those are not necessarily tied to physical health, but something to do with the severe sexual boundary violation that has happened in the context of sexual abuse. I actually have some papers that really show clearly that it doesn't matter all that much if it's happened chronically or one time or several times or at what age, but more the fact that there was a sexual boundary violation and some kind of trust that was violated early on. So I don't like to put things on a continuum from mild to severe or one time to chronic. It's more about the interpretation of that violation and how it happened and the context in which it happened that helps us understand the sequelae and how to treat this kind of survivor.

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Jen: 07:20

Okay. So that leads me to think about, what's the prevalence of these kinds of problems among children who are sexually abused? We actually did an episode on Intergenerational Trauma and how that's passed down through the generations and it's amazing. Some people can experience incredible trauma and not pass it onto the next generation and the vice versa happens as well. So I'm wondering, do most children manage these transitions to adolescence and adulthood kind of okay, kind of normally as it were or are problems really common?

&nbsp;

Dr. Noll: 07:49

I think problems are a lot more common than we initially had thought about because of our work, not just mine, but others in the field where we follow survivors through time and we're able to compare those to kids of a normal developmental trajectory. And what we see is as much more common in survivors than in the normal population. Things like I've talked about and things like sexual outcomes, depression, mental health, and also these physical health outcomes. So much more common, significantly more common than would be accounted for by chance than the general population. But you're right, the road to resilience I think is under studied and under understood. And we are trying to look at models now of those who do not have affects. Those do not seem affected and what can we learn from those trajectories. Those are things like having a really good support system early on in life, having someone who believes in you, having some good evidence based trauma treatment early on, and also revisiting these issues as different developmental transitions happen.

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Dr. Noll: 08:53

For example, getting married often triggers some effects of sexual abuse as memories or sort of clarified and uncovered and even experienced differently in the context of a new relationship or a new sexual relationship. Also the birth of a child can trigger a trauma symptoms as well. So we often suggest revisiting of treatment as survivors go through their lives. These are the kinds of success stories that we hear. In terms of intergenerational transmission, let me just say one thing quickly. We don't see necessarily victims of sexual abuse going on to sexually abuse their children. That's not the kind of intergenerational transmission we're talking about. We're talking about sexual abuse victims recreating an environment for their children were adversity persists or where other people have access to their kids who might be exploitive individuals who then pass sexual abuse on to those kids or physical abuse or neglect. So what happens with a survivor when they become a parent, if they have substance abuse issues or other mental health issues, children...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This is another of those topics I really wish I didn’t have to do. In this interview with Dr. Jennie Noll of Pennsylvania State University, we discuss the impacts that sexual abuse can have on a child (even many years after the event itself!), and we talk extensively about what parents can do to prevent abuse from happening in the first place.

<strong>If you want to be sure to remember this info, there’s a FREE one-page cheat sheet of the 5 Key Steps Parents Can Take to Prevent Sexual Abuse available here:</strong>
<p style="text-align: center"><code><a style="font-size: 1em;text-decoration: none;font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;padding: .3em .6em;letter-spacing: .05em;color: #333" href="//" data-opf-trigger="p2c222655f39">Get the FREE Guide!</a></code></p>
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<span style="font-weight: 400">[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]</span>

&nbsp;

Jen: 01:26

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a pretty serious topic to cover today and it's what I've been thinking about for a long time now. In 2016 the USA gymnastics sexual assault scandal broke and we learned that Dr. Larry Nassar had been sexually assaulting gymnast for years as he claimed to be providing them legitimate medical treatment. Now obviously there were failings at so many levels here. This was reported and ignored and covered up at many levels. But one thing that stuck in the back of my mind was an interview with gymnast Aly Raisman where she said she really thought this was what medical treatment was like and I want to be 100% clear that I'm not blaming Raisman or any other gymnast who had this awful experience, but I just couldn't get my head around how and why she didn't know she was being sexually abused.

&nbsp;

Jen: 02:11

I realized that it's at least partly because we live in a culture where we don't talk about this. We don't teach children to watch for warning signs and we don't look out for them ourselves as parents or we pretend we don't see them. We just stick our head in the sand. So today's episode is probably not one you want to listen to with children around because we're going to be very explicit and discussing sexual abuse and how to prevent it. I also want to give a shout out to listener Christine who helped me to think through some great questions to ask my guest today. I spent a really long time looking for someone to talk with us about this and finally found the right person. Dr. Jennie Noll is Professor of Human Development and Family Studies and Director of the Child Maltreatment Solutions Network at Penn State University.

&nbsp;

Jen: 02:52

She earned her Ph.D. in Developmental Psychology and Statistical Methodology from the University of Southern California. The reason I’m so interested to talk with her about this topic is because she has active research projects on two topics that are very important to us, the long-term health outcomes for victims of child sexual abuse and programs for the prevention of that abuse. Welcome Dr. Noll.

&nbsp;

Dr. Noll: 03:13

Thank you very much for the opportunity.

&nbsp;

Jen: 03:16

So before we get started, I actually also want to mention that I took the training that Dr. Noll studies and it's called Stewards of Children and it's published by an organization called Darkness to Light. I've created a free one page guide to preventing sexual abuse that you can download from this episode's page at YourParentingMojo.com/SexualAbuse. So we're going to talk a lot more about the Stewards of Children program today I imagine. But I wonder if we can get started by looking at the mental health or the general health actually impacts of sexual abuse because I was really surprised to find out how many of these there are. Can you walk us through these and do we have any indication of how likely they are to occur in a child who is chronically abused for years versus one who experiences abuse that it's discovered or reported fairly quickly.

&nbsp;

Dr. Noll: 03:58

Yeah, very good. So what we've understood and this has been my work for the last 30 years, what we've understood really well as sort of the mental health and emotional health consequences of abuse. We have pretty good trauma informed treatments for mental health. These are things like persisting posttraumatic stress disorder, other anxiety disorders, depression, other sorts of attachment related disorders in terms of not being able to attach to a partner, relationship difficulties, and substance abuse. These kinds of things that we normally think about as mental health or emotional health. But what we're learning I think in the last decade is something that surprised a lot of us and that is just how we see sort of physical health consequences that we didn't really anticipate when we were just studying mental and emotional health and these are things like physical health disorders, these are heart attacks, obesity, strokes, stress-related diseases like inflammation, interferences with disease processes.

Dr. Noll: 05:04 These are the kinds of things that we see in chronically stressed populations like PTSD Vietnam vets, people who have endured long and chronic stressors in their lives early on. And we think about this as how does stress sort of get under the skin and impact physiology? And we're talking about not just disease process but brain development, right? Other sorts of major organs, systems, the stress response system. So after studying survivors, which I have done for over 30 years and across generations, we're really starting to see a strong causal influence of early sexual abuse on long-term health outcomes because of the early and chronic exposure to stress and the stress hormone cortisol and other assaults on the stress response system.

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Jen: 05:57

Wow, that's incredible. So that completely makes sense from the sort of chronically abused perspective, if the stress is ongoing for a really long period of time. Do you see similar effects in people who have this experience maybe once or twice and it's discovered fairly quickly?

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Dr. Noll: 06:13

Yeah, that's a great question. It has two parts to the answer and my answer would be it depends. It sort of depends on what outcome you're looking at. For example, when we look at things like, sexual development, promiscuity, teen pregnancy, sort of more sort of sexual outcomes, right? Those are not necessarily tied to physical health, but something to do with the severe sexual boundary violation that has happened in the context of sexual abuse. I actually have some papers that really show clearly that it doesn't matter all that much if it's happened chronically or one time or several times or at what age, but more the fact that there was a sexual boundary violation and some kind of trust that was violated early on. So I don't like to put things on a continuum from mild to severe or one time to chronic. It's more about the interpretation of that violation and how it happened and the context in which it happened that helps us understand the sequelae and how to treat this kind of survivor.

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Jen: 07:20

Okay. So that leads me to think about, what's the prevalence of these kinds of problems among children who are sexually abused? We actually did an episode on Intergenerational Trauma and how that's passed down through the generations and it's amazing. Some people can experience incredible trauma and not pass it onto the next generation and the vice versa happens as well. So I'm wondering, do most children manage these transitions to adolescence and adulthood kind of okay, kind of normally as it were or are problems really common?

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Dr. Noll: 07:49

I think problems are a lot more common than we initially had thought about because of our work, not just mine, but others in the field where we follow survivors through time and we're able to compare those to kids of a normal developmental trajectory. And what we see is as much more common in survivors than in the normal population. Things like I've talked about and things like sexual outcomes, depression, mental health, and also these physical health outcomes. So much more common, significantly more common than would be accounted for by chance than the general population. But you're right, the road to resilience I think is under studied and under understood. And we are trying to look at models now of those who do not have affects. Those do not seem affected and what can we learn from those trajectories. Those are things like having a really good support system early on in life, having someone who believes in you, having some good evidence based trauma treatment early on, and also revisiting these issues as different developmental transitions happen.

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Dr. Noll: 08:53

For example, getting married often triggers some effects of sexual abuse as memories or sort of clarified and uncovered and even experienced differently in the context of a new relationship or a new sexual relationship. Also the birth of a child can trigger a trauma symptoms as well. So we often suggest revisiting of treatment as survivors go through their lives. These are the kinds of success stories that we hear. In terms of intergenerational transmission, let me just say one thing quickly. We don't see necessarily victims of sexual abuse going on to sexually abuse their children. That's not the kind of intergenerational transmission we're talking about. We're talking about sexual abuse victims recreating an environment for their children were adversity persists or where other people have access to their kids who might be exploitive individuals who then pass sexual abuse on to those kids or physical abuse or neglect. So what happens with a survivor when they become a parent, if they have substance abuse issues or other mental health issues, children suffer because of those kinds of issues. Not necessarily because they are being sexually abused by a person who's a survivor. So let me just make clear, it's about the environment that's recreated or abuse and neglect are allowed to persist in that environment as opposed to someone sending that perpetration per se along to their kids. Does that make sense?

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Jen: 10:26

Yeah, it does. So it sort of sets up a potential problem for researchers, isn't it? If you're not necessarily in studying the next generation, but in the current person who's experienced that abuse, if they are also in an environment where physical abuse is common and neglect is sort of ongoing, how do you and how do other researchers untangled these effects of the sexual abuse compared to the other co-occurring adverse child experiences that the child might be going through?

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Dr. Noll: 10:51

Yeah. Another great question and I think what we have to do is look carefully at the research that's out there and how it's designed. I am chiefly charged with doing just what you said, how do I create models and research designs that actually parse out the impact and the causal impact of sexual abuse when accounting for all of the other adversities, other types of abuse, etc. that are happening in the lives of survivors. So our models are very, very comprehensive. We monitor and model all kinds of adversities and we do what we call statistical controls for those to see if there's a variation above and beyond other adversities that can only be explained by the experience of sexual abuse. We indeed have long-term longitudinal studies that actually show the effects of sexual abuse being different. As always, it depends. It depends how you're looking at. This is particularly pronounced when we're looking at sort of sexual context outcomes like teen pregnancy, teen motherhood and sexual activities.

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Jen: 11:55

Okay. So I'm wondering, are there factors that can protect children who have been sexually abused from some of these outcomes? Or is it sort of inevitable that they might happen depending obviously on the abuse and the person's individual circumstances?

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Dr. Noll: 12:11

Oh, this is far from inevitable and if that's one message I could get through that.

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Dr. Noll: 12:17

These kinds of problems persist when the environment doesn't change. So there's a lot of propensity toward revictimization. So that is someone who might've been a survivor of sexual abuse ends up in an abusive relationship when they get older or they're raped or they're in a domestic violence situation, etc. etc. because the basic environment never changes, right? And the basic coping mechanisms and coping skills never change. But with adequate support from caregivers, from mentors, from other strong women and men in the lives of survivors, these trajectories can change, these environments can change and as well as really good evidence based trauma treatments, right? These are all things that target exactly the mechanisms that we see complicating the lives of survivors.

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Jen: 13:06

Okay. So I want to get really practical. What form does this support take? Who is this coming from? What does a parent do when their child has experienced something like this?

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Dr. Noll: 13:14

Oh, the very first thing in the paramount of everything that we talk about with survival is believing the victim. This is a basic tenant of prevention as well. Being able to listen, being able to understand what abuse really is, and then being able to really listen to the survivor and make that report to the official so that it stops. Stopping it and believing, those are the important features of the road to recovery. So that's the very first thing and then continued support, right? Continued monitoring throughout development, throughout the various developmental stages that’s the survivor might accompany like say transition to puberty, transition through adolescence, transition to adulthood. These kinds of milestones often trigger trauma symptoms and there should be supports in place at every single one of those transitions so that survivors continually feel the support. It can be a parent, a sister, an aunt, a boyfriend, a husband, a caring individual who understands and that survivors can confide in, a really good therapist, a clergy member who's trusted. These are the kinds of support systems that often do show up regularly in success stories.

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Jen: 14:30

Okay. So what these people are specifically doing is, I mean in the short term, believing that it happened and in the longer term providing empathy and a person to talk to. Are there specific things other than that sort of general, I'm here if you need to talk kind of thing that successful support systems exhibit?

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Dr. Noll: 14:48

Just like in any support system, it's sort of holding the person accountable to their treatment. Right? Going to treatment, making sure that it happens. Having the right kind of insurance coverage, those kinds of things parents can do for their children. But also making sure they go to the sessions, making sure they adhere, going with them if need be. And also looking for other ancillary systems like substance abuse, right? Problematic relationships. If these things sort of crop up at certain periods, that might mean the coping mechanisms are breaking down and that treatment should be revisited. So just looking at the lives of survivors and just loving people through. That's what we do in a caring society.

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Jen: 15:28 O

kay. So I want to make a shift here because I think this is important to parents as well. Talking about the prevention of sexual abuse. So firstly, can we talk about how common it is for children to be sexually abused?

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Dr. Noll: 15:40

Oh boy. It depends. I'm sorry, I keep saying depends because it's important to understand the nuances of the question if you're really going to understand how to prevent it. So there are two ways at looking at the incidents, let's say. And that is sort of what do we know about confirmed cases in the US, right? So we see about (I don't remember what the numbers are today) but we see about it is tens of thousands per year in the US where we have confirmed cases of sexual abuse that meet the criteria of substantiation in various jurisdictions. But if you look at the CDC stats and what the CDC says about the incidents of sexual abuse, they estimate that based on retrospective reports of adults looking back over their lives, that about one in 10 women will experience sexual abuse by the time they are 18 and about 1 in 5 men. So those numbers are largely, you know, there's a large discrepancy between the cases that we know about that reach protective services and the cases that adults say happened when they were children. So somewhere in between is my guess.

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Jen: 16:55

Okay. So what you're saying here is that there are probably a lot of cases that are never reported.

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Dr. Noll: 17:00

That's what the CDC says based on the discrepant findings. And that says a lot about our

society. So are people not coming forward? Are people not recognizing that they were abused until someone asks when they're an adult? Are there not good support systems out there built in for survivors to come forward? There's layers and layers of reasons why there might be these discrepant numbers.

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Jen: 17:25

Yeah. Okay. So I think we have this sort of perception because we latch onto these sort of, you know, one of media events or things that happen in the media, latch onto them and really over report them. And we have this idea in our minds that most abuse is happening or same as kind of kidnappings that somebody snatching my child off the street. It's somebody who I don't know and I have no idea that this could have happened. Whereas I was shocked in the training that I took from Darkness to Light, the Stewards of Children training, that the vast, vast majority of abuse is actually perpetrated by either a family member, which is less common admittedly, but somebody that the family knows and trusts. So I'm wondering why do young children have trouble recognizing what “good people” who do “bad things” as being abusers?

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Dr. Noll: 18:18

Yeah. This is sort of the biggest question and how to prevent, because if you study these cases and the Nassar cases is a good example. What perpetrators do is they gain access to kids. They need that access and in order to gain access, they have to be trusted by the parents and they have to be in the lives of the family on a regular enough basis to be able to gain at that access. It's not just gaining access, it's deciding which child might be, let's call it groomable. When we study Sandusky, Nassar and priests, etc. etc., we learned that they first try to figure out who might be a likely candidate. So the grooming behaviors like who's amenable, who will take the gifts, who's trust can they gain, right? Those are the kinds of things, and it's not just the child, but the parents, which parents are going to allow their kids to be seen alone by the doctor, to stay the night alone with the coach, right?

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Dr. Noll: 19:20

To be left alone in the company of a babysitter who might be exploiting the children. So there's lots of layers of access. And when that access happens, there's a level of trust that gets built. This is how it works. They gained the trust. You listened to Aly Raisman and she talks about this was the most trusted physician in the country for this kind of injury, right? So that trust is built and when trust is built, it's much more difficult to discern the difference between the good guys and the bad guys. When we're taught about stranger danger, that's easy. Strangers are the guys who offer you candy and snatch you off the street. They're really...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/sexualabuse]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4193</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2019 04:37:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/40f93811-7131-4ffe-8bfe-653d1167d167/your-parenting-mojo-sexual-abusefinal-1.mp3" length="66238610" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This is another of those topics I really wish I didn’t have to do.  In this interview with Dr. Jennie Noll of Pennsylvania State University, we discuss the impacts that sexual abuse can have on a child (even many years after the event itself!), and we talk extensively about what parents can do to prevent abuse from happening in the first place.
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I almost coughed up my water as I said yes, please, I very much would like her to make a connection if he would be interested in answering listener questions about the AAP’s policies and work.  Dr. Dreyer gamely agreed to chat, and in this wide-ranging conversation we cover the AAP’s stance on sleep practices, screen time, discipline, respect among physicians, and what happens when the organization reverses itself…
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Jen 00:01:37

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners might recall that I launched a new segment of the show a couple months back called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo where I interviewed listeners about what they've learned from the show and what parenting issues they’re still struggling with. My second interview for this segment was with listener Rose Hoberman and at the end of our conversation she just kinda casually threw out, “so, you know, my father in law is actually a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics. So let me know if you'd like to interview him.” And I was kind of shell shocked for a minute and I just said, yes, if you could set that up for me as soon as you can, I'd really appreciate it. So here with us today is Dr. Benard Dreyer who's Director of the Division of Developmental and Behavioral Pediatrics and also a Professor in the Department of Pediatrics at the Hassenfeld Children's Hospital, which is part of New York University Langone.

Jen: 00:02:26

Dr. Dreyer works closely with children who have autism spectrum disorder, ADHD, language delays, genetic problems and behavioral difficulties in school. Dr. Dreyer received his M.D. from New York University and he held a variety of leadership positions within the AAP before serving as its president in 2016 and he continues to serve as its Medical Director for Policies. Dr. Dreyer has also hosted the SiriusXM Satellite Radio Show On Call For Kids, a two-hour show that has run two to three times a month since 2008, which is incredible coming from a podcast perspective. Welcome Dr. Dreyer.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:03:02

Pleasure to be here.

Jen: 00:03:03

So I solicited most of the questions from this interview from people who are subscribed to the show via my website and who get emails from me and they were able to email me back and send me their questions as well as those who are in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. One thing that really stuck out to me as the questions started rolling in was the extent to which parents, at least in the US to some extent abroad, really like to know what the American Academy of Pediatrics says about a particular topic. And they might not always agree with the AAP’s position and they might even make a decision to ignore the AAP’s advice, but they always like to know what the AAP says before they do that. So the position that AAP takes really does carry a lot of weight. I wonder if you can walk us through what it's like to make one of these recommendations that are probably based on hundreds of studies with conflicting results and boil it down into something like no screen time for children under 18 months and no more than one hour a day for children ages two to five. How does that work? I guess starting at the beginning, how do you decide what studies to include?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:04:06

Well, I think even before we decide what studies to include, there is the question of what topics should we have like policies or recommendations on. I think we choose topics based on what we think are the important issues for both pediatricians and practice where they're dealing with issues and so we hear from them and also what factors or issues are very important to parents. Then we look to see if there is enough evidence for us to actually make a recommendation, not every aspect of childcare, etc. is enough evidence for us to feel confident that we are making a recommendation that's based on it. So having said that, for each topic, we do a literature search through the medical and psychological and educational literature and we gather all the studies that exist there, the authors of each policy, review all those studies and throw out some of those studies because they're poorly designed, but include all the studies that are well designed from the research perspective so that we can be sure that their findings are useful.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:05:31

As you said, sometimes these studies are conflicting and also sometimes we don't have complete information and we have to use whatever information we have to make a recommendation. I mean we don't choose studies to include, we review all the studies on a topic. So for example, screen time, we reviewed all the studies on screen time for young children and looked at the evidence as to, you know, on the one hand what we know about child development. So there might be studies, for example, that show that children under 18 months of age don't learn from a flat screen. So there are scientists that have studied, for example, language development with adults speaking to children through a flat screen versus speaking the same way to them live so that the child recognizes them as another human being at that young age and showing that they actually don't learn language well from a flat screen experience and certainly in the first year of life, whereas when they're interacting on a live basis with an adult, they actually learn. So that kind of study informs our policies from the point of view of how the child's brain works. We may then have other studies which look at whether children given video games, etc. learn or don't learn from those specific video games or for those specific iPad or other kinds of activities. So that's a different kind of study that's basically testing an intervention to help children learn. So therefore, I mean, we use studies based on physiology or biology or brain function versus studies that actually test an intervention usually in a randomized control way.

Jen: 00:07:46

Okay. So I'm curious about whether children's development is the only or the primary concern or is there any weight given to kind of the family structure and parenting relationship? So what I'm thinking through as an example here is okay, we acknowledge the child is possibly not learning very much by looking at a screen for half an hour a day or an hour a day. But if the parent is getting some much needed alone time in that period of time and thus the parenting quality improves for the remainder of time that the pair interacting, is there any weight given to sort of that aspect of the relationship between the parents and the child or is the weight entirely on what is the child developmentally getting out of this particular screen time experience?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:08:31

So that's a great question by the way. We do get input from parents on many policies. I can't tell you the exact input we got on the screen time. I was not one of the writers there, but we have a group of families called Family Voices, which often review our policies and give us feedback on them before we put them out to the rest of the world. So, we do get input from families. I can tell you that our recommendations are part of a conversation with families. In other words, this is our recommendation that children don't learn from screen time. That there is no good amount of screen time for them to have. Parents then take that and integrate that into the way they do their lives. I don't think we've ever told a parent that if you put your kid in front of a screen for 20 minutes, their brains will be fried, you know what I mean?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:09:32

But we also know that on the average, US children under the age of two have one to two hours of screen a day. So therefore when we come down on our recommendations, our recommendations are also based on what we know many parents in the United States are doing, which is allowing their children to have two hours of screen time. So, therefore we think that's a bad thing for people to be doing because that's bad in two ways. One is children really learn from interactions with their parents or other adult caregivers at younger ages. So we want parents to talk to their kids, to play with them, to read books to them, etc. That's how children learn. And we want to encourage that which we do. We also know that too much screen time is associated with behavior problems in children where they become distracted.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:10:35

They developed symptoms like ADHD. I don't mean that it causes ADHD, but they become somewhat scattered. There’s somewhat more aggressive behavior with those kids who have a lot of screen time. So, we want parents to understand that a lot of screen time is not a good thing. I often have parents asked me for example, well what happens if I just want to go into the kitchen and finished cooking something and my kid is watching TV for 20 minutes, is that terrible? The answer of course is no, but that 20 minutes often becomes an hour. So we want parents to really understand that actually under the age of about 18 months, there is nothing your kid is getting out of that and if you want to use it as a babysitter recognize that you’re using it as a babysitter, but alive babysitter would be better.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:11:35

Who can talk to the kid.

Jen: 00:11:36

For sure.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[A couple of months ago, when I was interviewing listener <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/rosehoberman/">Rose Hoberman for her Sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode</a>, she casually mentioned after we got off air that her father in law – Dr. Benard Dreyer – is the immediate past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, and would I like her to make a connection?

I almost coughed up my water as I said yes, please, I very much would like her to make a connection if he would be interested in answering listener questions about the AAP’s policies and work.  Dr. Dreyer gamely agreed to chat, and in this wide-ranging conversation we cover the AAP’s stance on sleep practices, screen time, discipline, respect among physicians, and what happens when the organization reverses itself…
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Jen 00:01:37

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners might recall that I launched a new segment of the show a couple months back called Sharing Your Parenting Mojo where I interviewed listeners about what they've learned from the show and what parenting issues they’re still struggling with. My second interview for this segment was with listener Rose Hoberman and at the end of our conversation she just kinda casually threw out, “so, you know, my father in law is actually a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics. So let me know if you'd like to interview him.” And I was kind of shell shocked for a minute and I just said, yes, if you could set that up for me as soon as you can, I'd really appreciate it. So here with us today is Dr. Benard Dreyer who's Director of the Division of Developmental and Behavioral Pediatrics and also a Professor in the Department of Pediatrics at the Hassenfeld Children's Hospital, which is part of New York University Langone.

Jen: 00:02:26

Dr. Dreyer works closely with children who have autism spectrum disorder, ADHD, language delays, genetic problems and behavioral difficulties in school. Dr. Dreyer received his M.D. from New York University and he held a variety of leadership positions within the AAP before serving as its president in 2016 and he continues to serve as its Medical Director for Policies. Dr. Dreyer has also hosted the SiriusXM Satellite Radio Show On Call For Kids, a two-hour show that has run two to three times a month since 2008, which is incredible coming from a podcast perspective. Welcome Dr. Dreyer.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:03:02

Pleasure to be here.

Jen: 00:03:03

So I solicited most of the questions from this interview from people who are subscribed to the show via my website and who get emails from me and they were able to email me back and send me their questions as well as those who are in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group. One thing that really stuck out to me as the questions started rolling in was the extent to which parents, at least in the US to some extent abroad, really like to know what the American Academy of Pediatrics says about a particular topic. And they might not always agree with the AAP’s position and they might even make a decision to ignore the AAP’s advice, but they always like to know what the AAP says before they do that. So the position that AAP takes really does carry a lot of weight. I wonder if you can walk us through what it's like to make one of these recommendations that are probably based on hundreds of studies with conflicting results and boil it down into something like no screen time for children under 18 months and no more than one hour a day for children ages two to five. How does that work? I guess starting at the beginning, how do you decide what studies to include?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:04:06

Well, I think even before we decide what studies to include, there is the question of what topics should we have like policies or recommendations on. I think we choose topics based on what we think are the important issues for both pediatricians and practice where they're dealing with issues and so we hear from them and also what factors or issues are very important to parents. Then we look to see if there is enough evidence for us to actually make a recommendation, not every aspect of childcare, etc. is enough evidence for us to feel confident that we are making a recommendation that's based on it. So having said that, for each topic, we do a literature search through the medical and psychological and educational literature and we gather all the studies that exist there, the authors of each policy, review all those studies and throw out some of those studies because they're poorly designed, but include all the studies that are well designed from the research perspective so that we can be sure that their findings are useful.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:05:31

As you said, sometimes these studies are conflicting and also sometimes we don't have complete information and we have to use whatever information we have to make a recommendation. I mean we don't choose studies to include, we review all the studies on a topic. So for example, screen time, we reviewed all the studies on screen time for young children and looked at the evidence as to, you know, on the one hand what we know about child development. So there might be studies, for example, that show that children under 18 months of age don't learn from a flat screen. So there are scientists that have studied, for example, language development with adults speaking to children through a flat screen versus speaking the same way to them live so that the child recognizes them as another human being at that young age and showing that they actually don't learn language well from a flat screen experience and certainly in the first year of life, whereas when they're interacting on a live basis with an adult, they actually learn. So that kind of study informs our policies from the point of view of how the child's brain works. We may then have other studies which look at whether children given video games, etc. learn or don't learn from those specific video games or for those specific iPad or other kinds of activities. So that's a different kind of study that's basically testing an intervention to help children learn. So therefore, I mean, we use studies based on physiology or biology or brain function versus studies that actually test an intervention usually in a randomized control way.

Jen: 00:07:46

Okay. So I'm curious about whether children's development is the only or the primary concern or is there any weight given to kind of the family structure and parenting relationship? So what I'm thinking through as an example here is okay, we acknowledge the child is possibly not learning very much by looking at a screen for half an hour a day or an hour a day. But if the parent is getting some much needed alone time in that period of time and thus the parenting quality improves for the remainder of time that the pair interacting, is there any weight given to sort of that aspect of the relationship between the parents and the child or is the weight entirely on what is the child developmentally getting out of this particular screen time experience?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:08:31

So that's a great question by the way. We do get input from parents on many policies. I can't tell you the exact input we got on the screen time. I was not one of the writers there, but we have a group of families called Family Voices, which often review our policies and give us feedback on them before we put them out to the rest of the world. So, we do get input from families. I can tell you that our recommendations are part of a conversation with families. In other words, this is our recommendation that children don't learn from screen time. That there is no good amount of screen time for them to have. Parents then take that and integrate that into the way they do their lives. I don't think we've ever told a parent that if you put your kid in front of a screen for 20 minutes, their brains will be fried, you know what I mean?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:09:32

But we also know that on the average, US children under the age of two have one to two hours of screen a day. So therefore when we come down on our recommendations, our recommendations are also based on what we know many parents in the United States are doing, which is allowing their children to have two hours of screen time. So, therefore we think that's a bad thing for people to be doing because that's bad in two ways. One is children really learn from interactions with their parents or other adult caregivers at younger ages. So we want parents to talk to their kids, to play with them, to read books to them, etc. That's how children learn. And we want to encourage that which we do. We also know that too much screen time is associated with behavior problems in children where they become distracted.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:10:35

They developed symptoms like ADHD. I don't mean that it causes ADHD, but they become somewhat scattered. There’s somewhat more aggressive behavior with those kids who have a lot of screen time. So, we want parents to understand that a lot of screen time is not a good thing. I often have parents asked me for example, well what happens if I just want to go into the kitchen and finished cooking something and my kid is watching TV for 20 minutes, is that terrible? The answer of course is no, but that 20 minutes often becomes an hour. So we want parents to really understand that actually under the age of about 18 months, there is nothing your kid is getting out of that and if you want to use it as a babysitter recognize that you’re using it as a babysitter, but alive babysitter would be better.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:11:35

Who can talk to the kid.

Jen: 00:11:36

For sure.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:11:37

Yeah, and also a lot of this image of the parents just putting their kid in front of a TV for 15 minutes while they go into the kitchen or the bathroom or whatever is somewhat of a fantasy. Most of the kids who get put in front of screens are there for quite a while. To be honest, it's not that safe to just stick your kid in another room in front of the screen while you're in another room in the kitchen. That kid should be in the kitchen with you or nearby where you can observe them. Again, we're talking about kids under 18 months of age. We're not talking about two or three year olds or four year olds. We don't want too much screen time. But that's a different question and that's one of the reasons we modified our recommendations is exactly what you're telling me about, which is we felt the original recommendations sounded so rigid that parents felt that either they followed them or they didn't follow them and that was not what our point was.

Jen: 00:12:44

Yeah, that was actually another question that I had was around that sort of what is seen from the outside when the revised recommendations came out that that they were being revised because parents were not following them at all because the recommendation was so different from their daily lived experience. So I'm curious, I know the science is changing all the time, but was that changing recommendation primarily changed because of the discrepancy between the recommendation and what parents were doing rather than because the science had changed and suddenly indicated that it was safe for children to be having screen time at younger ages?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:13:19

No. So let me put a little wrinkle on that comment. There was more science out there for us to look at. So our policy about our policies is that they should be updated every five years. The reason is there is new information out there. So our recommendations automatically should be changing approximately every five years or at least we should review the information and sometimes we review the information and say there's really nothing new here. We can keep these recommendations for another five years and we will check it five years later. But we do automatically in fact look to change our recommendations approximately every five years because there's new science that informs our decisions and we may have to change our decisions. In the case of, I don't want to focus the entire show on screen time, but in the case of screen time, we kept basically our recommendations for the first 18 months.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:14:29

We’ve said there should be no screen time except skyping with your grandparents. We allow skyping with grandparents. We used to get calls like is screen time with grandma in Iowa good? The answer is sure, that's not what we're talking about. First of all, that's interactive. You are going to be with your kid. That's a good thing. So we wanted to sort of explain what we were talking about and we kept basically that we don't recommend, we didn't say we forbid but we don't recommend screen time for the first 18 months. We dropped it from two years because 18 months to two years is a transitional period. There were some kids who can benefit from certain kinds of use of iPads or watching shows on TV that are geared towards children that are entertaining or that they learned something from.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:15:27

So we did modify our recommendations based on new information and new studies, which allowed us to be a little more nuanced and graded in our recommendations. Then sometimes we make recommendations which are based on very little evidence. So we had to make a decision like after 18 months or two years, how much screen time should a child be watching? And we don't have hard evidence about exactly what that amount is. That's why we chose like one hour for younger children just to make the point that children should not be in front of the TV or sitting on an iPad or computer for hours a day when they're that young, they still need to be with adults or other children in play.
Jen: 00:16:19 Okay. So that was another question that listeners had was it's not that one hour is a magic number, it's more that this is an idea that children benefit more from interacting with parents because parents were wondering, well is the number low because the AAP knows that if they say two hours is okay then parenting can end up doing four hours.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:16:40

Yeah. Yeah. But also I think as a parent and a grandparent, I'm going to talk, as well as a pediatrician who takes care of families with children, there isn't really much for children to spend more than an hour a day on an iPad really at the age of three. If they are doing that then they're probably missing out on other activities which would be more beneficial for them.

Jen: 00:17:10

Okay.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:17:11

But you're right, one hour is not based on some absolute study which showed and I think that's how it's stated in the policy. I decided I was not going to pull the policy stuff in front of me because I want the conversation not about this. I don't think we say one hour is an absolute, but I do think that we picked an hour based on some TV or some computer time or some iPad time or some smartphone time is okay, but not excessively.

Jen: 00:17:43

Yeah. Okay, so leaving screen time behind and waiting even deeper into the murky waters, let's go and talk about safe sleep recommendations. So, I know a lot of parents are interested in this topic. So the AAP’s stand on this is pretty clear and that is the safest place for a baby is on a firm flat surface like a crib or a bassinet with no soft bedding in the same room as the parents but not on the same sleeping surface for the first six months. So I have a number of followup questions on this. Firstly, is it true to say that the risk of infant death is always higher when bed sharing than when the child is sleeping on their own sleep surface on their back, in a crib or a bassinet? In other words, is there no way to make bed sharing as safe as the child's sleeping alone on their back in a crib?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:18:35

So let me just say in general, I'm all for bed sharing. I mean as a general principle not for the first six months of life. Because we do know that the incidents of sudden infant death syndrome is much higher with bed sharing and also that it's decreased coincident with less bed sharing and less prone sleeping and prone sleeping is probably the biggest issue. But bed sharing can also be an issue. So there are ways of making pseudo bed sharing safe. So there are parents who can buy these extensions to their beds with a flat cribs that kind of attaches to the bed so that the child is there close to them, but on his own flat surface on the back. And what’s good about that is especially for breastfeeding parents, the child is right there. So when they want to breastfeed, they don't have to get out of bed.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:19:44

They can just pick up the child, breastfeed, put the child back. That's not bed sharing, but that's why I use the term pseudo bed sharing, and that is in fact what I recommended to the famous Rose Hoberman who was on your show on your podcast, which brought me here and that's the kind of setup that they have. Now regarding sleeping on the back versus the belly, it's really a matter of parent persistence and point of view. Parents who believe that their kid should sleep on their back and encourages the kids sleep is fine. Parents who every time the kids cry feels that they are better off on their belly, once you start putting kids on their belly and then convince yourself that that's the only way they'll sleep, well then that's the only way they’ll asleep. But I can tell you, I have many, many families who are firmly convinced that the baby sleeping on their back is safer and babies sleep on their back fine.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:20:58

It doesn't make them cry all night. It doesn't wake up the parents all night. I mean, babies often wake up parents. My usual joke with parents is your baby will sleep through the night sometime before college, because parents sleep, babies sleep is like one of the big issues for most new parents. But that's separate from saying it's related to sleeping on their back. But once parents start moving them to their belly and then want to turn them back to their back then that causes problems. But babies from the get go who are put on their back and sleep there, sleep fine, and there's no evidence that they need to sleep on their belly. Again, remember we're talking about the first six months or so of the baby's life. We're not talking about the first five years of their life.

Jen: 00:21:58

Okay. So for that period, after the first six months, is the AAP stands that bed sharing can be done safely?

Dr. Dreyer: 00:22:06

I think I'd have to pull up the policy, but I think that we focus on the first year as being of somewhat concerning for bed sharing. Most SIDS cases occur in the first six months, but some do occur later in the first year and so we don't encourage bed sharing for the first year. After that, I don't know if we have a policy that says yes or no for bed sharing.

Jen: 00:22:34

Right.

Dr. Dreyer: 00:22:35

Remember our safe sleep recommendations are really for the first year, not for the rest of the child's life. We do recognize that many cultures have bed sharing from the get go. That doesn't mean it's safe and many kids do want to be in their parents' beds. It's comforting to them. Though once the risk of SIDS is over, I think that's up to the parents to decide whether they want a kid in their bed or they don't want the kid in their bed. Many parents don't want their kids in their bed because they want to have a good night sleep. Their bed is their bed, but other parents would like their kids in their bed. And I don't know that we're...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/aap]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4177</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/59578845-9246-43c2-a9ff-a0734a486f16/aapfinal.mp3" length="77047034" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:04:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>A couple of months ago, when I was interviewing listener https://yourparentingmojo.com/rosehoberman/ (Rose Hoberman for her Sharing Your Parenting Mojo episode), she casually mentioned after we got off air that her father in law – Dr. Benard Dreyer – is the immediate past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, and would I like her to make a connection?
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Dovilė is also a sensitive sleep coach with focus on following natural baby sleep paterns, advocating for gentle sleep interventions and finding tairored solutions that fit best with the needs of the whole family. Her business is called Miego Pelytes, which means Sleep Mice in Lithuanian, and refers to her twin daughters.

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And I’m releasing this particular interview today because these tools are ones we’re learning how to use in the free online workshop.  In the workshop we’re going to spend a couple of weeks learning why our children trigger us so much and how to stop being triggered, and how we can move beyond the power struggles we get caught up in with our children so we can have the kind of relationship with them where their true needs as people are respected and met – and so are ours.

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Christine’s game for kids can be found <a href="http://www.groktheworld.com/products">here</a>

Videos of Christine’s giraffe and jackal puppet shows are <a href="https://www.cnvc.org/profile/2046">here</a>

Inbal Kashtan’s book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Your-Heart-Compassion-Communication/dp/1892005085">Parenting From Your Heart</a>

<a href="http://thenofaultzone.com/the_no-fault_zone.html">The No-Fault Zone game</a>

Marshall Rosenberg’s book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Communication-Language-Life-Changing-Relationships/dp/189200528X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=20R0CBH2NQKCV9CY4XJ7">Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life</a>

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Baesler, E.J., &amp; Lauricella, S. (2014). Teach peace: Assessing instruction of the nonviolent communication and peace course. Journal of Peace Education 11(1), 46-63.

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Juncadella, C.M. (October 2013). What is the impact of the application of the Nonviolent Communication model on the development of empathy? Overview of research and outcomes. Unpublished Master’s Thesis. University of Sheffield. Retrieved from http://www.cnvc.org/sites/default/files/NVC_Research_Files/Carme_Mampel_Juncadella.pdf

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Kashtan, I. (2005). Parenting from your heart: Sharing the gifts of compassion, connection, and choice. Encinitas, CA: PuddleDancer Press.

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Marlow, E., Nyamathi, A., Grajeda, W.T., Bailey, N., Weber, A., &amp; Younger, J. (2012). Nonviolent communication training and empathy in male parolees. Journal of Correctional health Care 18(1), 8-19.

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Rose, M.B. (2003). The heart of parenting: Nonviolent Communication in action. PuddleDancer Press. Retrieved from https://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/pdf_files/parenting_communication_mrose.pdf

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Rosenberg, M.B. (2005). Raising children compassionately: Parenting the Nonviolent Communication way. Encinitas, CA: PuddleDancer Press.

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Rosenberg, M.B. (2015). Nonviolent Communication (3rd Ed). Encinitas, CA: PuddleDancer Press.

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Suarez, A., Lee, D.Y., Rowe, C., Gomez, A.A., Murowchick, E., &amp; Linn, P.L. (2014). Freedom project: Nonviolent communication and mindfulness training in prison. SAGE open January-March 2014, 1-10.

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&nbsp;

And I’m releasing this particular interview today because these tools are ones we’re learning how to use in the free online workshop.  In the workshop we’re going to spend a couple of weeks learning why our children trigger us so much and how to stop being triggered, and how we can move beyond the power struggles we get caught up in with our children so we can have the kind of relationship with them where their true needs as people are respected and met – and so are ours.

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<strong>Things we discussed in the show:</strong>

We now have feelings and needs lists available to support you in using the tools described in this episode!
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-2376919d-f238-4964-ae1f-72737eafed68"><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/feelings/">Click here to access the list of feelings</a></div>
<div class="ql-block" data-block-id="block-4a61e8cd-fd8b-47a3-8f62-c4743fd1d77e"><a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/needs">Click here to access the list of needs</a></div>
Christine’s game for kids can be found <a href="http://www.groktheworld.com/products">here</a>

Videos of Christine’s giraffe and jackal puppet shows are <a href="https://www.cnvc.org/profile/2046">here</a>

Inbal Kashtan’s book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Your-Heart-Compassion-Communication/dp/1892005085">Parenting From Your Heart</a>

<a href="http://thenofaultzone.com/the_no-fault_zone.html">The No-Fault Zone game</a>

Marshall Rosenberg’s book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Communication-Language-Life-Changing-Relationships/dp/189200528X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=20R0CBH2NQKCV9CY4XJ7">Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life</a>

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<strong>References:</strong>

Baesler, E.J., &amp; Lauricella, S. (2014). Teach peace: Assessing instruction of the nonviolent communication and peace course. Journal of Peace Education 11(1), 46-63.

<hr />

Juncadella, C.M. (October 2013). What is the impact of the application of the Nonviolent Communication model on the development of empathy? Overview of research and outcomes. Unpublished Master’s Thesis. University of Sheffield. Retrieved from http://www.cnvc.org/sites/default/files/NVC_Research_Files/Carme_Mampel_Juncadella.pdf

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Kashtan, I. (2005). Parenting from your heart: Sharing the gifts of compassion, connection, and choice. Encinitas, CA: PuddleDancer Press.

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Marlow, E., Nyamathi, A., Grajeda, W.T., Bailey, N., Weber, A., &amp; Younger, J. (2012). Nonviolent communication training and empathy in male parolees. Journal of Correctional health Care 18(1), 8-19.

<hr />

Rose, M.B. (2003). The heart of parenting: Nonviolent Communication in action. PuddleDancer Press. Retrieved from https://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/pdf_files/parenting_communication_mrose.pdf

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Rosenberg, M.B. (2005). Raising children compassionately: Parenting the Nonviolent Communication way. Encinitas, CA: PuddleDancer Press.

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Rosenberg, M.B. (2015). Nonviolent Communication (3rd Ed). Encinitas, CA: PuddleDancer Press.

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Suarez, A., Lee, D.Y., Rowe, C., Gomez, A.A., Murowchick, E., &amp; Linn, P.L. (2014). Freedom project: Nonviolent communication and mindfulness training in prison. SAGE open January-March 2014, 1-10.

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I share some basic tools for staying calm in difficult moments; for a deeper dive on this topic, do join the Tame Your Triggers workshop! Enrollment is now open.

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We’ll help you to:
<ul><li>Understand the real causes of your triggered feelings, and begin to heal the hurts that cause them</li><li>Use new tools like the ones Katie describes to find ways to meet both her and her children’s needs</li><li>Effectively repair with your children on the fewer instances when you are still triggered</li></ul><br/>
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It’s a 10-week workshop with one module delivered every week, an amazing community of like-minded parents, a match with an AccountaBuddy to help you complete the workshop, and mini-mindfulness practices to re-ground yourself repeatedly during your days, so you’re less reactive and more able to collaborate with your children.

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&nbsp;

I share some basic tools for staying calm in difficult moments; for a deeper dive on this topic, do join the Tame Your Triggers workshop! Enrollment is now open.

&nbsp;

We’ll help you to:
<ul><li>Understand the real causes of your triggered feelings, and begin to heal the hurts that cause them</li><li>Use new tools like the ones Katie describes to find ways to meet both her and her children’s needs</li><li>Effectively repair with your children on the fewer instances when you are still triggered</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

It’s a 10-week workshop with one module delivered every week, an amazing community of like-minded parents, a match with an AccountaBuddy to help you complete the workshop, and mini-mindfulness practices to re-ground yourself repeatedly during your days, so you’re less reactive and more able to collaborate with your children.

&nbsp;

Click the image below to learn more.

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tamingyourtriggers/"></a>

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<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

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&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/seannamallon]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4037</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2019 20:10:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/38ccb593-4e2e-492f-a918-53a7736eafd8/sharing-your-parenting-mojo-seanna.mp3" length="30897026" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/70b02081-8933-4727-8f6c-4fc1cf3a1798/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>093: Parenting children of non-dominant cultures</title><itunes:title>093: Parenting children of non-dominant cultures</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  </strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>Click here to view all the items in this series.</strong></a>

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We’ve done a LOT of episodes specifically for White parents by now:
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">White privilege in parenting: What it is and what to do about it</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">White privilege in schools</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talkingaboutrace/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Talking with children about race</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/teachingrace/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Teaching children about topics like slavery and the Civil Rights Movement</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Do I have privilege?</a></li></ul><br/>
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In this episode we turn the tables: listener Dr. Elisa Celis joins me to interview <a href="https://psychology.gsu.edu/profile/ciara-smalls-glover/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Ciara Smalls Glover,</a> whose work focuses on building the cultural strengths of youth of non-dominant cultures and their families.  We discuss the ways that culture is transferred to children through parenting, how parents of non-dominant cultures can teach their children about race and racism, and how to balance this with messages of racial pride.

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The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

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Click the button on the right with the microphone on it to leave me a voicemail for the 100th episode!&gt;&gt;&gt;

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<strong>References</strong>

Anderson, R.E., Hussain, S.B., Wilson, M.N., Shaw, D.S., Dishion, T.J., &amp; Williams, J.L. (2015). Pathways to pain: Racial discrimination and relations between parental functioning and child psychosocial well-being. Journal of Back Psychology 41(6), 491-512.

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Brody, G.H., Chen, Y-F, Kogan S.M., Murray, V.M., Logan, P., &amp; Luo, Z. (2008). Linking perceived discrimination to longitudinal changes in African American mothers’ parenting practices. Journal of Marriage and Family 70(2), 319-331.

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Coard, S.I., Wallace, S.A., Stevenson Jr., H.C., &amp; Brotman, L.M. (2004). Towards culturally relevant preventive interventions: The consideration of racial socialization in parent training with African American families. Journal of Child and Family Studies 13(3), 277-293.

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Grills, C., Cooke, D., Douglas, J., Subica, A., Villanueva, S., &amp; Hudson, B. (2016). Culture, racial socialization, and positive African American Youth Development. Journal of Blak Psychology 42(4), 343-373.

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Harris-Britt, A., Valrie, C.R., &amp; Kurtz-Costes, B. (2007). Perceived racial discrimination and self-esteem in African American youth: Racial socialization as a protective factor. Journal of Research on Adolescence 1794), 669-682.

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Lesane-Brown, C.L., A review of race socialization within Black families. Developmental review 26, 400-426.

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Scottham, K.M., &amp; Smalls, C.P. (2009). Unpacking racial socialization: Considering female African American primary caregivers’ racial identity. Journal of Marriage and Family 71(4), 807-818.

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Smalls, C. (2009). African American adolescent engagement in the classroom and beyond: The roles of mother’s racial socialization and democratic-involved parenting. Journal of Youth and Adolescence 38(2), 204-213.

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Smalls-Glover, C., Williams, J.L., Zuckerman, A., &amp; Thomas, D. (2013). Parental socialization in response to racism: Implications for family health. In M.S. Harris (Ed.), African American perspectives: Family dynamics, health care issues, and the role of ethnic identity. New York, NY: Nova.

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Williams, J.L., &amp; Smalls-Glover, C. (2013). Content and attributions of caregiver racial socialization as predictors of African American adolescents’ private racial regard. Journal of Black Psychology 40(1), 69-80.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  </strong><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>Click here to view all the items in this series.</strong></a>

&nbsp;

We’ve done a LOT of episodes specifically for White parents by now:
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">White privilege in parenting: What it is and what to do about it</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">White privilege in schools</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talkingaboutrace/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Talking with children about race</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/teachingrace/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Teaching children about topics like slavery and the Civil Rights Movement</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningprivilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Do I have privilege?</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

In this episode we turn the tables: listener Dr. Elisa Celis joins me to interview <a href="https://psychology.gsu.edu/profile/ciara-smalls-glover/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Ciara Smalls Glover,</a> whose work focuses on building the cultural strengths of youth of non-dominant cultures and their families.  We discuss the ways that culture is transferred to children through parenting, how parents of non-dominant cultures can teach their children about race and racism, and how to balance this with messages of racial pride.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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<a href="http://yourparentingmojo.com/parentingmembership"></a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

Click the button on the right with the microphone on it to leave me a voicemail for the 100th episode!&gt;&gt;&gt;

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Anderson, R.E., Hussain, S.B., Wilson, M.N., Shaw, D.S., Dishion, T.J., &amp; Williams, J.L. (2015). Pathways to pain: Racial discrimination and relations between parental functioning and child psychosocial well-being. Journal of Back Psychology 41(6), 491-512.

<hr />

Brody, G.H., Chen, Y-F, Kogan S.M., Murray, V.M., Logan, P., &amp; Luo, Z. (2008). Linking perceived discrimination to longitudinal changes in African American mothers’ parenting practices. Journal of Marriage and Family 70(2), 319-331.

<hr />

Coard, S.I., Wallace, S.A., Stevenson Jr., H.C., &amp; Brotman, L.M. (2004). Towards culturally relevant preventive interventions: The consideration of racial socialization in parent training with African American families. Journal of Child and Family Studies 13(3), 277-293.

<hr />

Grills, C., Cooke, D., Douglas, J., Subica, A., Villanueva, S., &amp; Hudson, B. (2016). Culture, racial socialization, and positive African American Youth Development. Journal of Blak Psychology 42(4), 343-373.

<hr />

Harris-Britt, A., Valrie, C.R., &amp; Kurtz-Costes, B. (2007). Perceived racial discrimination and self-esteem in African American youth: Racial socialization as a protective factor. Journal of Research on Adolescence 1794), 669-682.

<hr />

Lesane-Brown, C.L., A review of race socialization within Black families. Developmental review 26, 400-426.

<hr />

Scottham, K.M., &amp; Smalls, C.P. (2009). Unpacking racial socialization: Considering female African American primary caregivers’ racial identity. Journal of Marriage and Family 71(4), 807-818.

<hr />

Smalls, C. (2009). African American adolescent engagement in the classroom and beyond: The roles of mother’s racial socialization and democratic-involved parenting. Journal of Youth and Adolescence 38(2), 204-213.

<hr />

Smalls-Glover, C., Williams, J.L., Zuckerman, A., &amp; Thomas, D. (2013). Parental socialization in response to racism: Implications for family health. In M.S. Harris (Ed.), African American perspectives: Family dynamics, health care issues, and the role of ethnic identity. New York, NY: Nova.

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Williams, J.L., &amp; Smalls-Glover, C. (2013). Content and attributions of caregiver racial socialization as predictors of African American adolescents’ private racial regard. Journal of Black Psychology 40(1), 69-80.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/racialidentity]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=4027</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b2fb1cba-3564-4649-a013-f3c55da6629b.mp3" length="64130416" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>93</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>93</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/fc3eca01-974b-41a8-b49f-a2fb72a34764/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>092: Fathers’ unique role in parenting</title><itunes:title>092: Fathers’ unique role in parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode began out of a query that I see repeated endlessly in online parenting groups: “My child has a really strong preference for me.  They get on great with the other parent (usually the father, in a heterosexual relationship) when I’m not around, but when I’m there it’s all “Mommy, Mommy, Mommy!”  This is destroying my partner; how can we get through this stage?”

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So that’s where I began the research on this question, and it led me down quite a rabbit hole – I’d never thought too much about whether mothers and fathers fulfill unique roles in a child’s development and while it isn’t necessarily as prescriptive as “the mother provides… and the father provides… ,” in many families these roles do occur and this helps to explain why children prefer one parent over another. (we also touch on how this plays out in families where both parents are of the same gender).

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My guest for this episode is Dr. Diana Coyl-Shepheard, Professor at California State University Chico, whose research focuses on children’s social and emotional development and  relationships with their fathers.

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If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

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Before we get started with today’s episode on the unique role of fathers in children’s development, as well as why children prefer one parent over another, I wanted to let you know about three super cool things that I’m working on you. The first is about my membership group, which is called Finding Your Parenting Mojo. I don’t mention the group a lot on the show because I don’t like over-selling, but a listener who was in the group the last time I opened it to new members told me she actually didn’t know I had a membership group, so I’m going to tell you a bit more about it this time around! The group is for parents who are on board with the ideas you hear about on the podcast based in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting, but struggle to put them into practice in real life. So if you find yourself nodding along and saying yep; I agree with the whole ‘no rewards and punishments’ thing and I’m on board with working with my child to solve the problems we have, and I really want to relax a bit around my child’s eating, but on the other hand you’re thinking: but rewarding with story time is the only way I can get my child to brush their flipping teeth, and how do I even get started with working with my child to solve problems? And if I ever did relax around my child’s eating then all they would eat is goldfish and gummy bears, then the group is for you. We spend a month digging into each issue that parents face – from tantrums to figuring out your goals as a parent and for your child to getting on the same page as your partner (and knowing when it’s OK to have different approaches!)…raising healthy eaters to navigating screen time and supporting sibling relationships; we cover it all. I’ll open the group to new members in July, and it closes at the end of July and on August 1st we start digging into our first topic, which is reducing the number of tantrums you’re experiencing. The cost for the group is $39/month this time around which is locked in for as long as you’re a member - I increased the price from last time, and I may increase it again next time the group reopens. Or if you sign up before July 18th, you can pay for 10 months and get the last two months of the year free. If you’d like to learn more about joining the membership group you can do that at yourparentingmojo.com/membership – the doors will open on July 1st.

So that’s the deal with the group. The second cool thing I’m working on is something to give you a taste of what it will be like to be in the group. I’ve heard a lot of parents talking about how their children’s behavior really “triggers” them, and I was going to do a podcast episode on this and then I realized that this is especially one of those topics that you can’t just listen to and expect a change to happen; but if you’re willing to do a bit of work, that you can see enormous payoffs. So I thought OK; how can I really make the greatest impact possible with this work? And I decided to put together a nine-day online workshop to walk you through it. So if you go to yourparentingmojo.com/tameyourtriggers and sign up, staring on July 8th you’ll receive an email from me on each of the next nine week days that walks you through an aspect of this issue. In the first week we focus on where these triggers come from and it might surprise you to learn that it’s not our child’s behavior that is actually the origin of this feeling in us, but it’s things we remember, half-remember, and maybe even don’t remember from our childhoods. The more we know about those, the better we can manage these feelings when they arise in us. In the second week we look at new tools we can use to reduce the number of times we do feel triggered, and on the rarer occasions when it does still happen, to manage our reaction so we don’t blow up at our children.

Now, you might have done these kinds of online workshops or challenges before and sometimes they ask you to do really simple things and you’re thinking “but I already do that!”. This workshop will be different. Each day you will get homework that you could do in about 15 minutes, although if you find that you are feeling triggered very often you would probably make a huge amount of progress if you could spare 30 minutes a day for not every day, but some of the nine days of the workshop. And these are not always easy tasks to do – I’ll be asking you to take a hard look at some potentially pretty uncomfortable aspects of your childhood, so you may need to do this gently and carefully. I’ll be doing short live videos in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group every other day or so which you don’t have to watch, but which you may find illuminate the daily emails which I deliberately made as short and concise as possible. By the end of the workshop you should have a great deal of insight into what really causes you to feel triggered, and how you can feel triggered less often and less intensely. And we will probably have a pretty big group of parents who are working through this alongside you, who can offer support and encouragement as you work through this.

Obviously this isn’t exactly how the membership group works – we don’t do nine-day series of emails and Facebook Lives every other day; I actually send out a Guide at the beginning of the month and I answer your questions on two live group calls each month. But that format really works better once you’re already committed, and I wanted to be able to help you make real progress on a real issue you’re struggling with, so I decided the workshop was the best way to show you the kind of support you get in the group, even if the format is a bit different. So if you’d like to join the workshop, just head over to yourparentingmojo.com/tameyourtriggers and sign up – we’ll get started on July 8th.

FINALLY, the last thing before we get to today’s episode is that you might have noticed that this is episode 92 of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, which means we’re only eight episodes away from reaching 100! When I started the show two years ago I really had no idea where it was going to take me, or even how long it could last. I’m always worried that I will run out of topics to discuss but I’m happy to say that two years in I actually have a longer list of topics that I still have to find time to cover than I did when I started. As I started thinking about this, I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations…if I figure that on average it takes me about 20 hours to prepare for an episode, by the time I get to 100 episodes that will have been 2,000 hours, which is 250 days, which is very slightly less than a year, which means I’ve spent just a bit less than a third of the last three years preparing podcast episodes for you! If I figure there’s an average of 15 books and peer-reviewed papers on the reference list per episode, that’s 1,500 books and papers that actually made the reference list, and since only about half of the books and papers I read actually make the reference list I’ve probably read somewhere close to 3,000 of them in three years. When I started the show I was really just putting an intention out in the world to see where it might lead, and now I see that this work is what I want to do. It has – without a doubt – made me a better parent, and I want to use tools like the membership group to support you in your parenting as well. I keep producing the podcast episodes because I know that for some of you, a free resource is enough – and I know that by the reviews that you leave me on iTunes and the emails you send me that quite a lot of you get quite a lot out of the show. So I want to do something special for the 100th episode, and I’d love to have your voice be a part of it. If you go to yourparentingmojo.com, you’ll see a button on the homepage that...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode began out of a query that I see repeated endlessly in online parenting groups: “My child has a really strong preference for me.  They get on great with the other parent (usually the father, in a heterosexual relationship) when I’m not around, but when I’m there it’s all “Mommy, Mommy, Mommy!”  This is destroying my partner; how can we get through this stage?”

&nbsp;

So that’s where I began the research on this question, and it led me down quite a rabbit hole – I’d never thought too much about whether mothers and fathers fulfill unique roles in a child’s development and while it isn’t necessarily as prescriptive as “the mother provides… and the father provides… ,” in many families these roles do occur and this helps to explain why children prefer one parent over another. (we also touch on how this plays out in families where both parents are of the same gender).

&nbsp;

My guest for this episode is Dr. Diana Coyl-Shepheard, Professor at California State University Chico, whose research focuses on children’s social and emotional development and  relationships with their fathers.

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<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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Before we get started with today’s episode on the unique role of fathers in children’s development, as well as why children prefer one parent over another, I wanted to let you know about three super cool things that I’m working on you. The first is about my membership group, which is called Finding Your Parenting Mojo. I don’t mention the group a lot on the show because I don’t like over-selling, but a listener who was in the group the last time I opened it to new members told me she actually didn’t know I had a membership group, so I’m going to tell you a bit more about it this time around! The group is for parents who are on board with the ideas you hear about on the podcast based in scientific research and principles of respectful parenting, but struggle to put them into practice in real life. So if you find yourself nodding along and saying yep; I agree with the whole ‘no rewards and punishments’ thing and I’m on board with working with my child to solve the problems we have, and I really want to relax a bit around my child’s eating, but on the other hand you’re thinking: but rewarding with story time is the only way I can get my child to brush their flipping teeth, and how do I even get started with working with my child to solve problems? And if I ever did relax around my child’s eating then all they would eat is goldfish and gummy bears, then the group is for you. We spend a month digging into each issue that parents face – from tantrums to figuring out your goals as a parent and for your child to getting on the same page as your partner (and knowing when it’s OK to have different approaches!)…raising healthy eaters to navigating screen time and supporting sibling relationships; we cover it all. I’ll open the group to new members in July, and it closes at the end of July and on August 1st we start digging into our first topic, which is reducing the number of tantrums you’re experiencing. The cost for the group is $39/month this time around which is locked in for as long as you’re a member - I increased the price from last time, and I may increase it again next time the group reopens. Or if you sign up before July 18th, you can pay for 10 months and get the last two months of the year free. If you’d like to learn more about joining the membership group you can do that at yourparentingmojo.com/membership – the doors will open on July 1st.

So that’s the deal with the group. The second cool thing I’m working on is something to give you a taste of what it will be like to be in the group. I’ve heard a lot of parents talking about how their children’s behavior really “triggers” them, and I was going to do a podcast episode on this and then I realized that this is especially one of those topics that you can’t just listen to and expect a change to happen; but if you’re willing to do a bit of work, that you can see enormous payoffs. So I thought OK; how can I really make the greatest impact possible with this work? And I decided to put together a nine-day online workshop to walk you through it. So if you go to yourparentingmojo.com/tameyourtriggers and sign up, staring on July 8th you’ll receive an email from me on each of the next nine week days that walks you through an aspect of this issue. In the first week we focus on where these triggers come from and it might surprise you to learn that it’s not our child’s behavior that is actually the origin of this feeling in us, but it’s things we remember, half-remember, and maybe even don’t remember from our childhoods. The more we know about those, the better we can manage these feelings when they arise in us. In the second week we look at new tools we can use to reduce the number of times we do feel triggered, and on the rarer occasions when it does still happen, to manage our reaction so we don’t blow up at our children.

Now, you might have done these kinds of online workshops or challenges before and sometimes they ask you to do really simple things and you’re thinking “but I already do that!”. This workshop will be different. Each day you will get homework that you could do in about 15 minutes, although if you find that you are feeling triggered very often you would probably make a huge amount of progress if you could spare 30 minutes a day for not every day, but some of the nine days of the workshop. And these are not always easy tasks to do – I’ll be asking you to take a hard look at some potentially pretty uncomfortable aspects of your childhood, so you may need to do this gently and carefully. I’ll be doing short live videos in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group every other day or so which you don’t have to watch, but which you may find illuminate the daily emails which I deliberately made as short and concise as possible. By the end of the workshop you should have a great deal of insight into what really causes you to feel triggered, and how you can feel triggered less often and less intensely. And we will probably have a pretty big group of parents who are working through this alongside you, who can offer support and encouragement as you work through this.

Obviously this isn’t exactly how the membership group works – we don’t do nine-day series of emails and Facebook Lives every other day; I actually send out a Guide at the beginning of the month and I answer your questions on two live group calls each month. But that format really works better once you’re already committed, and I wanted to be able to help you make real progress on a real issue you’re struggling with, so I decided the workshop was the best way to show you the kind of support you get in the group, even if the format is a bit different. So if you’d like to join the workshop, just head over to yourparentingmojo.com/tameyourtriggers and sign up – we’ll get started on July 8th.

FINALLY, the last thing before we get to today’s episode is that you might have noticed that this is episode 92 of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, which means we’re only eight episodes away from reaching 100! When I started the show two years ago I really had no idea where it was going to take me, or even how long it could last. I’m always worried that I will run out of topics to discuss but I’m happy to say that two years in I actually have a longer list of topics that I still have to find time to cover than I did when I started. As I started thinking about this, I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations…if I figure that on average it takes me about 20 hours to prepare for an episode, by the time I get to 100 episodes that will have been 2,000 hours, which is 250 days, which is very slightly less than a year, which means I’ve spent just a bit less than a third of the last three years preparing podcast episodes for you! If I figure there’s an average of 15 books and peer-reviewed papers on the reference list per episode, that’s 1,500 books and papers that actually made the reference list, and since only about half of the books and papers I read actually make the reference list I’ve probably read somewhere close to 3,000 of them in three years. When I started the show I was really just putting an intention out in the world to see where it might lead, and now I see that this work is what I want to do. It has – without a doubt – made me a better parent, and I want to use tools like the membership group to support you in your parenting as well. I keep producing the podcast episodes because I know that for some of you, a free resource is enough – and I know that by the reviews that you leave me on iTunes and the emails you send me that quite a lot of you get quite a lot out of the show. So I want to do something special for the 100th episode, and I’d love to have your voice be a part of it. If you go to yourparentingmojo.com, you’ll see a button on the homepage that you can use to leave me a voicemail. You could tell me something you learned from the show that has made a difference for your family, or a question you have either about the research on the show or about some aspect of my life that you wish you knew more about. Depending on how many voicemails I receive I’ll put all of you or a selection of you in the 100th episode, in your own voices, and I’ll answer your questions as well. So if you want to do this, just head over to yourparentingmojo.com and hit the icon to record a message. You don’t need any special equipment to do it; you can just speak right into your computer’s microphone, although listeners would probably thank you if you could plug in a headset with a microphone as this will greatly improve the sound quality. It doesn’t have to be a fancy one – just the kind that comes with a smartphone is fine. So head on over to yourparentingmojo.com to record your message and while you’re there, sign up for the Tame Your Triggers workshop and check out the membership group as well. OK, let’s get on with today’s episode!

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Jen: 01:20

It's pretty obvious when you're reading the scientific literature on parenting and child development that just as most of the research on children's development is conducted on White children and then the findings are discussed as if they're relevant to all children everywhere. Most of the research on parenting is conducted on mothers and then its applicability to fathers is either extrapolated or it's just simply ignored. So, what role do fathers play in children's development? Our fathers basically like slightly less important mothers or are there unique processes involved in the relationship between fathers and children? Here with us today to sort this out is doctor Diana Coyl-Shepherd Professor at California State University Chico. Her research focuses on mother-child and father-child attachment across the span of childhood and she's especially interested in social and emotional development and children's relationships with their fathers. Welcome Dr. Coyl-Shepherd.

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 02:15

Thank you, Jen.

Jen: 02:17

All right, so let's start with, I guess it's kind of the son of the father of attachment theory. The father of Attachment Theory was John Bowlby and so you interviewed his son, Sir Richard Bowlby a few years ago. That must have been pretty exciting.

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 02:32

It was very exciting. Having been a fan both professionally and personally of Attachment Theory for a long time, it was very exciting to meet the son of the author of that theory.

Jen: 02:44

Yeah. And so that interview is available for anyone to read in a journal article in early childhood development and care journal. And so I was really shocked to learn that Richard Bowlby actually didn't really talk with his father about Attachment Theory at all and only started learning about it after his father's death. And I was wondering if you could tell us about the different role that Richard Bowlby proposed for fathers and mothers and why mothers had been such a focus of research for so long?

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 03:11

Certainly. Well, what Richard proposed was a model of dual attachment and in the case of heterosexual parents, they would serve complimentary roles in their children's lives. So, mothers would be that safe haven providing care and comfort when children are distressed and fathers, as he observed and other researchers have to, more often were used for secure exploration. So, it was that mothers sensitive responding to their children's distress that increases children's opportunity to turn to their fathers for support during exploration and during challenging tasks. So, what Sir Richard Bowlby explained was that, and this is again based on other people's research as well, that we're driven to explore and seek new experiences, but we need safety and a trusted companion to show us the way. And in our own research we often had children report that they felt safety from their fathers, but more often sought emotional comfort from their mothers. So, each parent can serve both functions of attachment, safety, security and reassurance as well as exploration. But among Western heterosexual couples, we tended to see that mothers and fathers specialized in these areas.

Jen: 04:24

Ah, that's fascinating. And so I'm thinking about the ways that we assess this attachment in a lab situation and typically it's using this procedure called The Strange Situation where the mother is withdrawn for certain periods of time and then we look to see how distressed the child is and whether the distress is relieved when the mother comes back. And so it doesn't seem to be that if the child doesn't come to the father to relieve distress, that they're not attached, right? Or is it possible that the way that we are conceptualizing this and the problem is with our measuring tools and not with the attachment between fathers and children.

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 05:03

Exactly right. So, in The Strange Situation that measures in part mother's sensitivity to their children's distress, what it doesn't really measure is what fathers contribute to their children's attachment. And so it was really the research of the Grossmann’s and their colleagues. They did a 16-year longitudinal study, 44 families, and they compared mother's and father's contributions to their children's attachment at ages 6, 10 and 16 and at when the children were toddlers, they had developed this measure called the sensitive and challenging interactive play scale. And what they found, and it's an observational measure of the way that mothers and fathers engaged with their children during play, that father’s play sensitivity was very consistent across the four years and it was father's sensitivity that was predictive of children's internal working models of attachment at when their children were 10 and only fathers play sensitivity, not mothers was predictive of adolescents attachment representations. So, their conclusion was that mothers and fathers are doing different things to support their children's attachment security and consequently we need different ways to assess that.

Jen: 06:16

And so I'm just curious as to how this works in sort of real life with real families and whether it doesn't seem as though it's sort of a one person is one role and one person is the other role because I'm sort of the parent who's more likely to stand back and watch as my daughter is climbing up something high and just kinda ask her what's your plan to get down rather than my husband will probably be the one to shout, be careful and we'll both pillow fight with her if she asks us to. So, is it confusing to her at all that that we have this sort of dual role thing going on or not?

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 06:48

I don't think so. I think children's expectations of their parents’ behavior are based on their typical interaction with that parent. So, whatever they usually experience is what they expect to experience. And so if you are engaging in exploration with your child and allowing her to take risks and your husband might be the more cautious of the two that I think she would anticipate that that's the way it goes. That when I want to explore, mom will be my companion and she'll support this. But typically, and in lots of research, fathers do this more than mothers. It’s not that mothers aren't capable of it, it's just typically fathers do it more often.

Jen: 07:24

Yeah. Okay. In an article that you and your coauthors wrote in an Introduction to a Special Issue on Fatherhood and Attachment, you said “The link between father attachment quality and children's outcomes are often less direct complicated by individual characteristics like child gender, temperament and father's working models as well as familial and cultural practices.” And that's pretty dense. Can you help us to tease that part a bit?

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 07:48

Yes. There's a lot there. Well certainly, we know that there's research that supports gender differences in the way that parents interact with their children. So for example, that mothers engage with their daughters more frequently and they do more kinds of emotional and social discussion than they do with their sons and fathers more often engage with their sons and the kind of ways that they engage with their sons are activity oriented. So, that sort of supports this model that we're seeing, this idea of father’s activation relationships with their children but more with sons than daughters typically. So, there's a piece there that leads to maybe differential outcomes for children in terms of their social and emotional development based on the way and how often they interact with each parent. But also in culture. Culture plays a role as well because it's really, and this was sort of the argument that Dr. Danielle Paquette made when he developed his measure of the activation relationship of measure he called the Risky Situation is the idea that in cultures where competition is a part of that culture, then what fathers do by the way they engage with their children what he described as rough and tumble kinds of play and security and exploration, that helps children meet the demands in a society where there might be competition.

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 09:07

How do they manage that competition? How do they manage relationships with others? So, more research I think is pointing to the contributions of fathers and sometimes it's sort of an additional contribution beyond what mothers are doing to support their children's social and emotional development.

Jen: 09:27

So, I had a lot of questions about that rough and tumble play and because it seems to be a really critical component of children's relationships with their fathers, can you help us understand what's the purpose of this kind of play?

Dr. Coyl-Shepherd: 09:39

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Each time I think I’m done with this series on the intersection of race and parenting, another great topic pops up!

Listener Ann reached out to me after she heard the beginning of the series to let me know about her own journey of learning about her White privilege. Ann and her husband were a ‘normal’ White couple who were vaguely aware of some of the things they could do to help others (Ann works at a nonprofit) and saw politics as an interesting hobby.

Then they adopted a Black daughter and had a (surprise!) biological daughter within a few months, and Ann found that she needed to learn about her privilege – and quickly. She’s had to learn about things like the features of a ‘high quality’ daycare for both of her daughters, how to keep them safe, and we get some feedback from Dr. Renee Engeln about how to help Black girls to see and be confident in their beauty.

Ann is openly not an expert on this topic, and does not speak for adoptive Black children, or even for all White adopting parents. But she finds herself far further along this journey of discovering her privilege than the vast majority of us – myself included, until I began researching this series of episodes.
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Jen: 01:24

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. When I started this series of episodes on the Intersection of Race and Parenting, I had no idea it was going to go on for so long. I had initially planned to do the episodes on White Privilege and Parenting with Dr. Margaret Hagerman and White Privilege in Schools with Dr. Allison Roda and then How To Talk About Race with Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum. After the conversation with Dr. Tatum, I realized that we hadn’t talked a lot about what we should teach about topics like slavery and the Civil Rights Movement, and so we went on to cover that with Dr. John Bickford and then I got to chatting via email with Ann Kane who is a listener and who’s our guest today. And so before I tell you about Ann, I just wanted to tell you a snippet about my own journey toward learning about my privilege.

Jen: 02:06

I was actually listening to an episode of The How To Get Away With Parenting podcast, which is published by my now friend, Malaika Dower. And in it Malaika made a comment about how it might not be safe for a Black toddler to have a tantrum in a store. And the implication was because the White parents would potentially find this threatening in some way. And if you’d ask me before that moment whether I had White privilege as a parent, I would have said, I really don’t think so because I’m really not sure I could have named a single way in which I experienced this. So uncovering my privilege has been a very deliberate exercise for me that’s taken a lot of hard work because the point of privilege is you don’t really see it. It’s there to protect you from having to see it.

Jen: 02:48

But our guest Ann has been forced to confront her privilege in a completely different way. So Ann who is White, spent 10 years working in the field with Doctors Without Borders and she left to work in Program Finance for a nonprofit in New York City so that she and her White husband could raise a family and she adopted a daughter, Alice from the foster care system. Alice was 8 days old at the time and is now just over two and she is Black. And then Ann and her husband had a surprise baby named Audrey who is almost two and is White. So when Ann and I started emailing about this, she told me, “Raising Alice in a society that still has so much structural racism is my biggest parenting worry. I’m so afraid that my White privilege is going to harm her. There’s so much I’m unaware of. And as a White person, I don’t feel I can prepare her for all she’ll face.”

Jen: 03:35

That’s when I knew I had to talk with Ann in an episode, because while she isn’t and doesn’t claim to be an expert on race or racism or raising a Black child, she’s been forced to confront her own privilege as a White person and as a White parent to a much greater extent than I have. And then I think probably many of my listeners have as well. So my goal for today is that perhaps you hear something in Ann’s journey that resonates with privilege you didn’t know you had, and maybe you’ll take an action to lift somebody else up who has less privilege than you. So with all that said, welcome Ann.

Ann: 04:08

Thank you. Hi Jen.

Jen: 04:09

Hi. Welcome to the backside of the microphone.

Ann: 04:12

Okay.

Jen: 04:13

So, we started each episode in this series with both me and my guests stating our privileges. And so you have heard this before and some of the listeners as well. So I’m just going to state mine really quickly. My Whiteness, my economic status in the upper middle class, heterosexuality, able-bodiedness, my education, and my presence on the land of the Chochenyo Ohlone native Americans to whom I pay a voluntary tax called the Shuumi Land Tax as a form of reparations. Could you please start by telling us some of your privileges?

Ann: 04:43

Sure. I think I have pretty much all of the privileges. I’m White, my economic status is the upper middle class, I’m heterosexual enabled body. I have a Master’s Degree. My upbringing in a working middle class family back when it was more financially feasible to do so. I have two married parents who have always been supportive. I think the list goes on and on.

Jen: 05:04

Okay. So, I wonder if you could tell us a bit about what you thought about racial prejudice and structural racism before you became a parent. Did you already have an understanding of your privilege?

Ann: 05:16

I thought that I did. The more I learned, the more I realized how much I don’t know and how much I still need to learn. Before becoming a parent, I realized how unfair the world was to Black people, but it’s become so much more apparent as the parent of a Black child. Growing up, I was pretty clueless behind the basic history lessons of Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks. Race wasn’t something that was discussed in my family. However, as I get older, I moved to a diverse liberal city and started traveling internationally. So, I became more aware of our country’s long historical structural racism and how it still exists today. We knew when we became foster parents, it would most likely be for African American child. So, we did take that responsibility seriously and really tried to learn all that we can. But as I faced these issues on a daily basis with my daughter, I have learned how much I was unaware of and how much I still have to learn as she grows.

Ann: 06:14

I don’t pretend to know anything about what it’s like to be a Black person in America, but being Alice’s mom has taught me a lot about my own privileges.

Jen: 06:24

And so what are specifically some of the things that you’ve learned about your privilege as a person? Just as a White person, not even as a parent of a Black child over the last few months?

Ann: 06:33

Sure. I think the main one is how much I didn’t have to think about things as I go throughout my life and have conversations in my job and with people on the street and I never have to question anything. I take it at face value that they’re talking to me as me and not as a minority or as how they view me because of my skin color as the dominant race in this country. I know that people are talking to me because of me and with Alice, I have these questions all the time. Is this because of her race or is it for something else that I’m not realizing? So that lack of understanding of how it’s in so many situations that race is a factor.

Jen: 07:10

Yeah. I had one of those realizations recently. I went to an event at work, it was called a building bridges conversation and they started out with an exercise, they made us all dance around the room and of course as a profound introvert, this is extremely uncomfortable for me. And so I was kind of annoyed that they were doing this thing. Most of the people who work in a consulting firm are pretty extroverted. They get on well with clients and like socializing and that kind of thing. And I was annoyed that they were putting me in this situation.

Jen: 07:41

And then I had a realization afterwards, what if this was how I felt at work all day, every day. The absolute discomfort with just being in this situation with people and also the annoyance that they would put me in that situation. And that was a really profound awakening for me. And I’m not sure that was the lesson I was intended to take out of it, but it was profound for me. So I wonder if we can go on and talk about some of the things you’ve learned since you became the parent of a daughter who’s Black. You told me that you can no longer live just anywhere and you have to live in an accepting community with people who look like Alice and so I think you live in Harlem right now (which for those of you who don’t live in the US is a neighborhood of New York that 60% Black and it holds a huge place in Black history and culture). Did you live there before you became a parent?

Ann: 08:30

Yes, I moved here to go to Grad school roughly 15 years ago.

Jen: 08:33

Oh, okay. And why did you pick that neighborhood?

Ann: 08:37

It is near the university that I attended. It’s actually been gentrified quite a lot. I’m not far from a predominantly White university, but this area was within walking distance but still did not have a lot of White people. And I moved in basically for affordability issues and I...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

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Each time I think I’m done with this series on the intersection of race and parenting, another great topic pops up!

Listener Ann reached out to me after she heard the beginning of the series to let me know about her own journey of learning about her White privilege. Ann and her husband were a ‘normal’ White couple who were vaguely aware of some of the things they could do to help others (Ann works at a nonprofit) and saw politics as an interesting hobby.

Then they adopted a Black daughter and had a (surprise!) biological daughter within a few months, and Ann found that she needed to learn about her privilege – and quickly. She’s had to learn about things like the features of a ‘high quality’ daycare for both of her daughters, how to keep them safe, and we get some feedback from Dr. Renee Engeln about how to help Black girls to see and be confident in their beauty.

Ann is openly not an expert on this topic, and does not speak for adoptive Black children, or even for all White adopting parents. But she finds herself far further along this journey of discovering her privilege than the vast majority of us – myself included, until I began researching this series of episodes.
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Jen: 01:24

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. When I started this series of episodes on the Intersection of Race and Parenting, I had no idea it was going to go on for so long. I had initially planned to do the episodes on White Privilege and Parenting with Dr. Margaret Hagerman and White Privilege in Schools with Dr. Allison Roda and then How To Talk About Race with Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum. After the conversation with Dr. Tatum, I realized that we hadn’t talked a lot about what we should teach about topics like slavery and the Civil Rights Movement, and so we went on to cover that with Dr. John Bickford and then I got to chatting via email with Ann Kane who is a listener and who’s our guest today. And so before I tell you about Ann, I just wanted to tell you a snippet about my own journey toward learning about my privilege.

Jen: 02:06

I was actually listening to an episode of The How To Get Away With Parenting podcast, which is published by my now friend, Malaika Dower. And in it Malaika made a comment about how it might not be safe for a Black toddler to have a tantrum in a store. And the implication was because the White parents would potentially find this threatening in some way. And if you’d ask me before that moment whether I had White privilege as a parent, I would have said, I really don’t think so because I’m really not sure I could have named a single way in which I experienced this. So uncovering my privilege has been a very deliberate exercise for me that’s taken a lot of hard work because the point of privilege is you don’t really see it. It’s there to protect you from having to see it.

Jen: 02:48

But our guest Ann has been forced to confront her privilege in a completely different way. So Ann who is White, spent 10 years working in the field with Doctors Without Borders and she left to work in Program Finance for a nonprofit in New York City so that she and her White husband could raise a family and she adopted a daughter, Alice from the foster care system. Alice was 8 days old at the time and is now just over two and she is Black. And then Ann and her husband had a surprise baby named Audrey who is almost two and is White. So when Ann and I started emailing about this, she told me, “Raising Alice in a society that still has so much structural racism is my biggest parenting worry. I’m so afraid that my White privilege is going to harm her. There’s so much I’m unaware of. And as a White person, I don’t feel I can prepare her for all she’ll face.”

Jen: 03:35

That’s when I knew I had to talk with Ann in an episode, because while she isn’t and doesn’t claim to be an expert on race or racism or raising a Black child, she’s been forced to confront her own privilege as a White person and as a White parent to a much greater extent than I have. And then I think probably many of my listeners have as well. So my goal for today is that perhaps you hear something in Ann’s journey that resonates with privilege you didn’t know you had, and maybe you’ll take an action to lift somebody else up who has less privilege than you. So with all that said, welcome Ann.

Ann: 04:08

Thank you. Hi Jen.

Jen: 04:09

Hi. Welcome to the backside of the microphone.

Ann: 04:12

Okay.

Jen: 04:13

So, we started each episode in this series with both me and my guests stating our privileges. And so you have heard this before and some of the listeners as well. So I’m just going to state mine really quickly. My Whiteness, my economic status in the upper middle class, heterosexuality, able-bodiedness, my education, and my presence on the land of the Chochenyo Ohlone native Americans to whom I pay a voluntary tax called the Shuumi Land Tax as a form of reparations. Could you please start by telling us some of your privileges?

Ann: 04:43

Sure. I think I have pretty much all of the privileges. I’m White, my economic status is the upper middle class, I’m heterosexual enabled body. I have a Master’s Degree. My upbringing in a working middle class family back when it was more financially feasible to do so. I have two married parents who have always been supportive. I think the list goes on and on.

Jen: 05:04

Okay. So, I wonder if you could tell us a bit about what you thought about racial prejudice and structural racism before you became a parent. Did you already have an understanding of your privilege?

Ann: 05:16

I thought that I did. The more I learned, the more I realized how much I don’t know and how much I still need to learn. Before becoming a parent, I realized how unfair the world was to Black people, but it’s become so much more apparent as the parent of a Black child. Growing up, I was pretty clueless behind the basic history lessons of Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks. Race wasn’t something that was discussed in my family. However, as I get older, I moved to a diverse liberal city and started traveling internationally. So, I became more aware of our country’s long historical structural racism and how it still exists today. We knew when we became foster parents, it would most likely be for African American child. So, we did take that responsibility seriously and really tried to learn all that we can. But as I faced these issues on a daily basis with my daughter, I have learned how much I was unaware of and how much I still have to learn as she grows.

Ann: 06:14

I don’t pretend to know anything about what it’s like to be a Black person in America, but being Alice’s mom has taught me a lot about my own privileges.

Jen: 06:24

And so what are specifically some of the things that you’ve learned about your privilege as a person? Just as a White person, not even as a parent of a Black child over the last few months?

Ann: 06:33

Sure. I think the main one is how much I didn’t have to think about things as I go throughout my life and have conversations in my job and with people on the street and I never have to question anything. I take it at face value that they’re talking to me as me and not as a minority or as how they view me because of my skin color as the dominant race in this country. I know that people are talking to me because of me and with Alice, I have these questions all the time. Is this because of her race or is it for something else that I’m not realizing? So that lack of understanding of how it’s in so many situations that race is a factor.

Jen: 07:10

Yeah. I had one of those realizations recently. I went to an event at work, it was called a building bridges conversation and they started out with an exercise, they made us all dance around the room and of course as a profound introvert, this is extremely uncomfortable for me. And so I was kind of annoyed that they were doing this thing. Most of the people who work in a consulting firm are pretty extroverted. They get on well with clients and like socializing and that kind of thing. And I was annoyed that they were putting me in this situation.

Jen: 07:41

And then I had a realization afterwards, what if this was how I felt at work all day, every day. The absolute discomfort with just being in this situation with people and also the annoyance that they would put me in that situation. And that was a really profound awakening for me. And I’m not sure that was the lesson I was intended to take out of it, but it was profound for me. So I wonder if we can go on and talk about some of the things you’ve learned since you became the parent of a daughter who’s Black. You told me that you can no longer live just anywhere and you have to live in an accepting community with people who look like Alice and so I think you live in Harlem right now (which for those of you who don’t live in the US is a neighborhood of New York that 60% Black and it holds a huge place in Black history and culture). Did you live there before you became a parent?

Ann: 08:30

Yes, I moved here to go to Grad school roughly 15 years ago.

Jen: 08:33

Oh, okay. And why did you pick that neighborhood?

Ann: 08:37

It is near the university that I attended. It’s actually been gentrified quite a lot. I’m not far from a predominantly White university, but this area was within walking distance but still did not have a lot of White people. And I moved in basically for affordability issues and I have seen gentrification and how it’s affected my neighbors in my neighborhood as I’ve been there quite a while now.

Jen: 09:01

Yeah. And so I’m curious about whether you’ve taken Alice to predominantly White neighborhoods, maybe to visit your family or friends and are the interactions between Alice and that community different than when you’re in Harlem?

Ann: 09:15

Sure. We have been to various areas that are predominantly White and we grew up with White families. So, this is the norm for us. Most of the blatant things we’ve been warned about, for example, being followed around by (in stores) security guards, scary interactions with Police, obviously aren’t things that are happening to a 2-year-old. Most of her interactions go through us simply because she’s not old enough to have full conversations. We’ve heard this from other adoptive parents that they turned from cute children into adults quite quickly in the public’s eyes and you’ll start to see these things. But so far our interactions have been different in these areas, but not in that regard. In these areas, what we’ve noticed is there is a certain kind of othering. I feel like they pay more attention to Alice and not in a negative way, but they kind of fond over her in a way they don’t with our other daughter who’s only 5 months younger.

Ann: 10:07

They tried to touch her hair, which of course we don’t allow and go on about how beautiful she is. I obviously don’t know their intention, but it feels like their way of saying they approve of her, our family without directly coming out and saying that, which is obviously a nice gesture and it’s better than the alternative, but other ways it seems unnecessary and we’re not asking for permission to be us or her. I’ve read these feelings from other transitional families, so I don’t think I’m totally imagining it. However, it goes back to some of the things I discussed earlier is when you’re a White person you never have to question your interactions with others. In this case, is it because she is cute? Obviously I think she’s cute. Are they only paying attention to her by chance or is this a racial thing where they’re trying to make us feel accepted?

Jen: 10:52

And is this primarily White people who are doing this? The touching?

Ann: 10:57

Yeah. Yeah. Mostly.

Jen: 11:00

Okay. All right. Yep, that makes sense. And I’ve definitely heard about that as well, that White people feel as though they have to sort of exhibit this acceptance in ways that potentially aren’t so appropriate on the receiving end of it. I wonder if we could talk a little bit about daycare. What kind of setting do your daughters attend now and how did you choose that?

Ann: 11:19

Sure. Our daughters are in a small in-home daycare run by an African American family. Making sure Alice was around people who looked like her was our number one priority with other priorities being of course, we want a loving environment that keeps the girls safe and happy. We also wanted something within walking distance to our home because we wanted to build a community within our neighborhood. And logistically taking two babies on the subway ride everyday didn’t seem doable. When searching, we didn’t find many places that had both Black and White children. There seems to be daycares with mostly all Black kids or daycares with mostly all White kids. And for the first year our daughter who’s White, Audrey was the only White child at the daycare. But now there’s one or two other White children. It’s been such a blessing, this daycare. I don’t know if I’m being honest, we probably wouldn’t have prioritize this as much and we might have missed out on the chance to go to this school that our girls love and that we love. They really treat them like family. The grandma (all the kids call her grandma Barbara) helps us with Alice’s braids, something that I’m still working on and we’ve just been very lucky to have found such an important place in our life.

Jen: 12:31

Yeah. So, I’m curious about whether you think Audrey might have benefited in the same way from attending that daycare if Alice wasn’t in the picture, you were still living in that neighborhood anyway. It was still an option. What direction do you think you might’ve gone in for Audrey’s care?

Ann: 12:46

Hard to say, but our number one priority wouldn’t have been diversity. We would have looked for it, but in our experience we didn’t find it. It was mostly all Black or mostly all White were the two options. Audrey has us that look like her, so we felt like we’d prioritize that for Alice. And she definitely benefits from being there. It’s an amazing environment filled with people that take good care of her and her friends. At the age of two, she loves it very much. So, I think she’ll learn to be with people that looked different than her as she grows also.

Jen: 13:20

Yep. And how are you preparing both Alison and Audrey for school? What kind of school environment do you think you’ll choose and how are you getting ready for that?

Ann: 13:29

Sure. We will most likely go public schools, there’s quite a few public charter schools in our neighborhood that we’ll be looking into. My husband and I are products of public schools and had positive experiences that we would want to give our children, New York City and our neighborhood. Those are the most diverse options which would be our top choice. Again, it’s what we’ll have to prioritize to make sure Alice sees people that look like her on a daily basis. I think picking schools, our definition of what a good school because we have a Black child has changed. Maybe in the past we would have focused only on test scores or other indicators that most White parents are using. But now while those things we will look at, they’re not our number one priority.

Jen: 14:11

And so is it that you see diversity as more important or is it that you see that test scores are not necessarily an indicator of what is good about a school?

Ann: 14:22

I think both. I think it’s reprioritizing what you think is the best opportunity for your child. And while I want both of my girls to get good grades and learn all the textbook facts, I think it’s more important that they’re good people. And I think the way to do that is to have them around people who look different than them and have different religions and have different viewpoints so they can learn from their experiences also.

Jen: 14:46

Okay. So your sort of understanding of this and your approach to school has probably shifted a little bit because you’ve had this experience, right? You’re not necessarily going to look for the public school with the highest test scores, which you might have done previously?

Ann: 14:59

Exactly. And I think it is another area that shows my White privilege in a different way. I haven’t seen a lot of research that says if you put a White child in an adequate school, as long as they have adequate supports at home, they’re mostly going to do okay. So, we would have certainly searched for Audrey, but it doesn’t seem that it’s as important or significant as it feels with Alice. We have to get this question right with Alice, because there is a lot of research that shows that many schools are failing the country’s Black children, and I wanted to make sure she’s not facing that.

Jen: 15:31

Yeah. We definitely learned in our episode on White Privilege in Schools which will have been released by the time this episode goes out that more than half of parents say they value diversity in national surveys, but they aren’t willing to travel further to attend a diverse school and possibly less of a concern in New York City where everything’s a little closer together. Although it might involve a subway ride with young children, but there are definitely parts of the country where you’re going to be bused across town if diversity is important to you. And so I think what parents need to think through is do you think it’s going to be critical to your child’s success? And I think there’s a lot of indicators that say that content knowledge and being able to pass the test is one part of being successful. And that being able to get along well with other people and not just get along with them, but know how to collaborate with them is going to be an even more critical skill in the future. So, I think that your approach of selecting for diversity is actually going to end up benefiting both of your children more than potentially a school that just has high test scores.

Ann: 16:34

That has been my experience with a lot of these things like I mentioned with the daycare, we wouldn’t have found it, but it’s been such a blessing. So, diversity isn’t always easy and sometimes there’s some uncomfortable with it while it’s happening, but in the long run it’s better for our whole family.

Jen: 16:50

Okay. I wonder if we can just dig into that for a minute. What kinds of discomfort do you experience that other White parents who might be thinking about this might be thinking, yeah, I could make that extra step, but it just doesn’t feel right. It feels as though my child is going to be missing out. How would you describe how that’s played out for you and what would you say to those parents?

Ann: 17:08

Sure. For us it feels like we’re learning what Alice might feel like. We do go to preschool events and the graduations and things and we’re the only White people in the room and that’s the norm for Alice in her life because her family is White and her grandparents are White. And that’s what she’s going to have to deal with. We want to counteract that as much as possible by getting other people that look like her around her. But it’s not going to be a reality. It’s not the reality of many Black people in many workplaces and then in many cities. So, I think recognizing when it feels like to be the person who’s not in the majority has helped us when we...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/learningprivilege]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=3850</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7d902d78-33dc-45d0-a6f5-fe47607d74b6/learning-about-privilegefinal-1.mp3" length="58403965" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Each time I think I’m done with this series on the intersection of race and parenting, another great topic pops up!
Listener Ann reached out to me after she heard the beginning of the series to let me know about her own journey of learning about her White privilege. Ann and her husband were a ‘normal’ White couple who were vaguely aware of some of the things they could do to help others (Ann works at a nonprofit) and saw politics as an interesting hobby.
Then they adopted a Black daughter and had a (surprise!) biological daughter within a few months, and Ann found that she needed to learn about her privilege – and quickly. She’s had to learn about things like the features of a ‘high quality’ daycare for both of her daughters, how to keep them safe, and we get some feedback from Dr. Renee Engeln about how to help Black girls to see and be confident in their beauty.
Ann is openly not an expert on this topic, and does not speak for adoptive Black children, or even for all White adopting parents. But she finds herself far further along this journey of discovering her privilege than the vast majority of us – myself included, until I began researching this series of episodes.
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I have to say that I was highly ambivalent about doing this episode, because I don’t usually deal with topics that result in medical diagnoses as I’m (obviously) not a doctor. But the more I looked into this the more I realized that helping parents to understand the mess of research on this topic is exactly the kind of thing that I usually do on this show, and that an episode on this topic could probably be useful to a number of you.

<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/magazine/the-mind-of-john-mcphee.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">And here’s the love letter to John McPhee that I mention in the episode</a>

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode on Sensory Processing Disorder comes to you courtesy of my friend Jess, and I’m going to tell you a little about Jess and her daughter as a way to introduce the topic. Jess told me that her daughter likely had a mini-stroke either in utero or during birth that affected the left side of her body, and Jess figured this out around the time her daughter was 10 months old. So her daughter started physical therapy for that, but Jess still felt as though something wasn’t quite right, and while she already had a pediatrician, physical therapist, and neurologist, six months or so of Jess being (in her words) “a crazy parent,” along with the support of her mother who happens to be a pediatric physical therapist, to convince her daughter’s support team that something wasn’t right, and finally her daughter was evaluated for sensory processing disorder. Her daughter received occupational therapy treatment and is now doing very well.

Jess realized that if she hadn’t been especially vocal, and if she hadn’t had her own mother’s expert support, then it’s possible that her daughter’s issues would have gone undiagnosed. Jess told me she has started talking with anyone who will listen about this topic and whenever she mentions it a lightbulb goes off with whomever she is talking with about either a child in their lie or a friend of a friend who is having similar issues, so she asked me to do an episode on it so more people could learn about it.

Now I have to say that as much as I love Jess I did hesitate before taking this on. I don’t usually deal with topics that result in medical diagnoses because I’m obviously not a doctor or a psychiatrist. But the more I looked into this the more I realized that helping parents to understand the mess of research on this topic is exactly the kind of thing that I usually do on this show, and that an episode on this topic could probably be useful to a number of you. So, to reiterate, I am not a doctor or a psychiatrist, and this episode is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. In fact, for reasons we’ll get into in the episode, it’s actually kind of difficult for a doctor to diagnose as well. So we’ll talk about diagnoses, and about the efficacy of treatment for SPD, and finally about how to chart a path forward if you suspect that your child may have difficulties processing sensory information.

So let’s get into it! For those of you who haven’t heard of it before, what is sensory processing disorder, and where did it come from? The research in this field was pioneered by Dr. A. Jean Ayres, who was an occupational therapist active from the 1960s to the 1980s. Dr. Ayres’ classic book is called Sensory Integration and the Child, and was re-released in 2005 in a 25th anniversary edition. In the book, Dr. Ayres describes sensory integration, which is the organization of our senses, which give us information about the physical conditions of our body and the environment around us. She says that the brain has to organize all of these sensations if a person is to move and learn and behave in a productive way – for example, by making your eyes, nose, mouth, skin, muscles, and joints work together to peel and eat an orange, and that an adaptive response to a sensory experience is a purposeful and goal-directed one. When we have an adaptive response we master a challenge and learn something new. Until the child is about 7, they are primarily a sensory processing machine – they sense things and respond, without having many abstract thoughts and ideas. Dr. Ayres says that the brain’s mental and social functions in the later years are based on this foundation of sensorimotor processes, and if sensorimotor processes are well organized in the first 7 years, the child will have an easier time learning mental and social skills later on.

Dr. Ayres died in 1989, and Dr. Lucy Jane Miller has carried the flag on this work. Dr. Miller is the director of the Sensory Therapies and Research Center in Denver, Colorado, and has written her own book called Sensational Kids: Hope and Help for Children with Sensory Processing Disorder. In Dr. Miller’s book she shifts Dr. Ayres’ original six syndromes of sensory integration dysfunction into three main “pattern types” with a number of subtypes.

Pattern Type 1 is Sensory Modulation Disorder (SMD), and results when a person has difficulty responding to sensory input with behavior that is appropriate to the degree, nature, or intensity of the sensory information. Dr. Miller’s book describes SMD as having three main subtypes, although her own peer-reviewed research has only found support for two of these – sensory seeking, and sensory underresponsivity.

In Subtype 1, Sensory Overresponsivity (so the one that doesn’t have peer-reviewed research support), people respond faster, with more intensity, or for a longer duration than people with typical sensory responsivity. It may occur in only one sensory system (like not wanting to be touched) or in multiple systems. Difficulties are most often seen in new situations and during transitions, and the responses may appear as willful behavior, seemingly logical, and inconsistent. For example, a child with this subtype may not be able to tolerate being jostled as coats are being put on at preschool for the transition to outdoor play, and may lash out at another child in response. Behavior may also result from cumulative stresses, so the jostle while putting coats on might just trigger the response that has built up as a result of a whole morning of being jostled and touched through normal interactions.

People with Subtype 2, Sensory Underresponsivity, disregard or do not respond to sensory stimuli. A child may seem apathetic, lethargic, and lacking an inner drive to socialize and explore. They might not notice bumps, falls, or cuts, or extreme eat or cold, and may be labeled ‘lazy’ or ‘unmotivated.’ As an infant, the child might have been considered a ‘good baby’ or an ‘easy child’ but when they become older they may not be able to maintain enough arousal to participate in family or school life.

People with Subtype 3, Sensory Seeking/Craving, crave an unusual amount or type of sensory input, possibly including spicy food, loud noises, visual stimulation, and constant spinning, which can lead to socially unacceptable or unsafe behavior and can be perceived as demanding or attention-seeking. They may become explosive or aggressive when they are unable to meet their sensory needs – for example, when they are asked to sit still and be quiet at school. This subtype can be confused with, and even co-occur with, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.

People with Pattern 2, Sensory Discrimination Disorder, have trouble interpreting qualities of sensory stimuli and tell how they are similar and different; this characteristic may be present in just one or more than one sense. SDD in the tactile, vestibular, and proprioceptive systems, which tell you where your body is in the world, results in awkward motor abilities. SDD in the visual or auditory systems can lead to learning or language disabilities.

There are two sub-types to Pattern 3, which is Sensory-Based Motor Disorder. In Subtype 1, Postural Disorder, the person has difficulty stabilizing the body during movement or at rest. The child may have low muscle tone, inadequate control of muscles and movement, and poor balance.

In Subtype 2, Dyspraxia, the person has difficulty conceiving of, planning, sequencing, and executing actions. They may appear awkward and poorly coordinated in their gross motor skills like running and jumping, fine motor skills like drawing and painting, or oral-motor skills like chewing and swallowing. They seem unsure where their body is in space, have trouble with ball sports, and any actions involving coordinated timing.

Where does SPD come from? Dr. Ayres herself acknowledged that we don’t really know what causes SPD, but she goes on to make quite a variety of speculations. She says “Many people think that the increase in environmental toxins, such as air contaminants, destructive viruses, and other chemicals that we take into our bodies may contribute to the dysfunction,” without offering a shred of supportive evidence from these “many people.” She hypothesizes that hereditary and chemical factors may be combined in some children, and that genetic factors in certain children may allow environmental toxins to interfere with sensory integrative development. Some babies do not get enough oxygen at birth, which may affect brain function, and that children who lead very deprived lives – like the children in the Romanian orphanages from the 1980s who had very little human contact – don’t develop adequate sensory, motor, or intellectual functions. But lest you start...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode comes to us courtesy of my friend Jess, whose daughter has Sensory Processing Disorder (SPD) and who is on a mission to make sure that as many parents as possible learn about it. She says that every time she describes it to a parent they realize that they know someone who exhibits behavior that looks like SPD that warrants following up.

I have to say that I was highly ambivalent about doing this episode, because I don’t usually deal with topics that result in medical diagnoses as I’m (obviously) not a doctor. But the more I looked into this the more I realized that helping parents to understand the mess of research on this topic is exactly the kind of thing that I usually do on this show, and that an episode on this topic could probably be useful to a number of you.

<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/magazine/the-mind-of-john-mcphee.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">And here’s the love letter to John McPhee that I mention in the episode</a>

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<a href="#" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read Full Transcript</a>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode on Sensory Processing Disorder comes to you courtesy of my friend Jess, and I’m going to tell you a little about Jess and her daughter as a way to introduce the topic. Jess told me that her daughter likely had a mini-stroke either in utero or during birth that affected the left side of her body, and Jess figured this out around the time her daughter was 10 months old. So her daughter started physical therapy for that, but Jess still felt as though something wasn’t quite right, and while she already had a pediatrician, physical therapist, and neurologist, six months or so of Jess being (in her words) “a crazy parent,” along with the support of her mother who happens to be a pediatric physical therapist, to convince her daughter’s support team that something wasn’t right, and finally her daughter was evaluated for sensory processing disorder. Her daughter received occupational therapy treatment and is now doing very well.

Jess realized that if she hadn’t been especially vocal, and if she hadn’t had her own mother’s expert support, then it’s possible that her daughter’s issues would have gone undiagnosed. Jess told me she has started talking with anyone who will listen about this topic and whenever she mentions it a lightbulb goes off with whomever she is talking with about either a child in their lie or a friend of a friend who is having similar issues, so she asked me to do an episode on it so more people could learn about it.

Now I have to say that as much as I love Jess I did hesitate before taking this on. I don’t usually deal with topics that result in medical diagnoses because I’m obviously not a doctor or a psychiatrist. But the more I looked into this the more I realized that helping parents to understand the mess of research on this topic is exactly the kind of thing that I usually do on this show, and that an episode on this topic could probably be useful to a number of you. So, to reiterate, I am not a doctor or a psychiatrist, and this episode is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. In fact, for reasons we’ll get into in the episode, it’s actually kind of difficult for a doctor to diagnose as well. So we’ll talk about diagnoses, and about the efficacy of treatment for SPD, and finally about how to chart a path forward if you suspect that your child may have difficulties processing sensory information.

So let’s get into it! For those of you who haven’t heard of it before, what is sensory processing disorder, and where did it come from? The research in this field was pioneered by Dr. A. Jean Ayres, who was an occupational therapist active from the 1960s to the 1980s. Dr. Ayres’ classic book is called Sensory Integration and the Child, and was re-released in 2005 in a 25th anniversary edition. In the book, Dr. Ayres describes sensory integration, which is the organization of our senses, which give us information about the physical conditions of our body and the environment around us. She says that the brain has to organize all of these sensations if a person is to move and learn and behave in a productive way – for example, by making your eyes, nose, mouth, skin, muscles, and joints work together to peel and eat an orange, and that an adaptive response to a sensory experience is a purposeful and goal-directed one. When we have an adaptive response we master a challenge and learn something new. Until the child is about 7, they are primarily a sensory processing machine – they sense things and respond, without having many abstract thoughts and ideas. Dr. Ayres says that the brain’s mental and social functions in the later years are based on this foundation of sensorimotor processes, and if sensorimotor processes are well organized in the first 7 years, the child will have an easier time learning mental and social skills later on.

Dr. Ayres died in 1989, and Dr. Lucy Jane Miller has carried the flag on this work. Dr. Miller is the director of the Sensory Therapies and Research Center in Denver, Colorado, and has written her own book called Sensational Kids: Hope and Help for Children with Sensory Processing Disorder. In Dr. Miller’s book she shifts Dr. Ayres’ original six syndromes of sensory integration dysfunction into three main “pattern types” with a number of subtypes.

Pattern Type 1 is Sensory Modulation Disorder (SMD), and results when a person has difficulty responding to sensory input with behavior that is appropriate to the degree, nature, or intensity of the sensory information. Dr. Miller’s book describes SMD as having three main subtypes, although her own peer-reviewed research has only found support for two of these – sensory seeking, and sensory underresponsivity.

In Subtype 1, Sensory Overresponsivity (so the one that doesn’t have peer-reviewed research support), people respond faster, with more intensity, or for a longer duration than people with typical sensory responsivity. It may occur in only one sensory system (like not wanting to be touched) or in multiple systems. Difficulties are most often seen in new situations and during transitions, and the responses may appear as willful behavior, seemingly logical, and inconsistent. For example, a child with this subtype may not be able to tolerate being jostled as coats are being put on at preschool for the transition to outdoor play, and may lash out at another child in response. Behavior may also result from cumulative stresses, so the jostle while putting coats on might just trigger the response that has built up as a result of a whole morning of being jostled and touched through normal interactions.

People with Subtype 2, Sensory Underresponsivity, disregard or do not respond to sensory stimuli. A child may seem apathetic, lethargic, and lacking an inner drive to socialize and explore. They might not notice bumps, falls, or cuts, or extreme eat or cold, and may be labeled ‘lazy’ or ‘unmotivated.’ As an infant, the child might have been considered a ‘good baby’ or an ‘easy child’ but when they become older they may not be able to maintain enough arousal to participate in family or school life.

People with Subtype 3, Sensory Seeking/Craving, crave an unusual amount or type of sensory input, possibly including spicy food, loud noises, visual stimulation, and constant spinning, which can lead to socially unacceptable or unsafe behavior and can be perceived as demanding or attention-seeking. They may become explosive or aggressive when they are unable to meet their sensory needs – for example, when they are asked to sit still and be quiet at school. This subtype can be confused with, and even co-occur with, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.

People with Pattern 2, Sensory Discrimination Disorder, have trouble interpreting qualities of sensory stimuli and tell how they are similar and different; this characteristic may be present in just one or more than one sense. SDD in the tactile, vestibular, and proprioceptive systems, which tell you where your body is in the world, results in awkward motor abilities. SDD in the visual or auditory systems can lead to learning or language disabilities.

There are two sub-types to Pattern 3, which is Sensory-Based Motor Disorder. In Subtype 1, Postural Disorder, the person has difficulty stabilizing the body during movement or at rest. The child may have low muscle tone, inadequate control of muscles and movement, and poor balance.

In Subtype 2, Dyspraxia, the person has difficulty conceiving of, planning, sequencing, and executing actions. They may appear awkward and poorly coordinated in their gross motor skills like running and jumping, fine motor skills like drawing and painting, or oral-motor skills like chewing and swallowing. They seem unsure where their body is in space, have trouble with ball sports, and any actions involving coordinated timing.

Where does SPD come from? Dr. Ayres herself acknowledged that we don’t really know what causes SPD, but she goes on to make quite a variety of speculations. She says “Many people think that the increase in environmental toxins, such as air contaminants, destructive viruses, and other chemicals that we take into our bodies may contribute to the dysfunction,” without offering a shred of supportive evidence from these “many people.” She hypothesizes that hereditary and chemical factors may be combined in some children, and that genetic factors in certain children may allow environmental toxins to interfere with sensory integrative development. Some babies do not get enough oxygen at birth, which may affect brain function, and that children who lead very deprived lives – like the children in the Romanian orphanages from the 1980s who had very little human contact – don’t develop adequate sensory, motor, or intellectual functions. But lest you start blaming yourself for your child’s problems, she goes on to say that most of the children with minor irregularities in brain function have had normal sensory experiences, and their parents or guardians did do a good enough job of raising them to allow for good brain development so the parents did not deliberately or accidentally produce the dysfunction.

When I was researching this episode I got a question in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group about whether there’s any evidence about how children’s diets impact their sensory processing, and I have to say that this view is VERY popular in the online community groups related to SPD but I’m afraid there is zero evidence whatsoever in the peer-reviewed research, or even in the books by Dr. Ayres and Dr. Miller, that implicates children’s diets in causing or worsening SPD. The only potential connection I could see is that a child may be unwilling to eat if they find the textures of some foods to be difficult to deal with, but there is zero evidence that SPD is caused by gluten intolerance or eggs or sugar or food coloring or any other kind of food.

I want to put a couple of side notes in at this point. Firstly, I’m also looking at doing an episode on Dr. Elaine Aron’s work on Highly Sensitive People, and in one of her papers Dr. Aron actually expressly makes the distinction that being a Highly Sensitive Person is different from Sensory Processing Disorder. In her book The Highly Sensitive Child, Dr. Aron says that many parents have told her they have found sensory integration to be helpful for their highly sensitive children, but she doesn’t think that being sensitive as she defines it is a problem to be treated, much less cured.

Secondly, a couple of listeners have been in touch about unintegrated reflexes, and since the topic has a bit of an overlap with this one I’d like to address that here too. All babies have reflexes – one of the more famous ones is the Moro reflex which is when the infant spreads their arms and hands out and then pulls them in, usually while crying, when they feel they’re falling. In most infants this reflex goes away, which we call becoming “integrated,” by around four or five months of age but in some children this reflex doesn’t become integrated and the child will still produce it when they feel like they’re falling. There is quite a bit of evidence showing that unintegrated reflexes are *correlated* with a variety of developmental disabilities, but I’m afraid that’s pretty much where the evidence ends on this topic. It’s a bit hard to get your head around because nobody seems to have done any kind of meta-analysis to synthesize the results except the Wisconsin Department of Health Services which briefly reports that this therapy remains an “untested treatment, as there are no studies that have tested its effectiveness. There is no evidence to suggest that it is harmful.” Also, the main figure doing the research is Dr. Svetlana Masgutova is the creator of the Masgutova Neurosensorimotor Integration Method® and she’s also done a good chunk of the research on the effectiveness of the eponymous method. Unfortunately, methodological problems abound in the paper she’s done that’s most relevant to us, which is on the use of the Nurosensorimotor Integration Method in treating symptoms of Autism Spectrum Disorder. In that study she trated 484 children with autism, but the control groups were only 72 children with Autism who weren’t treated, and 483 children with neurotypical development. A more robust methodology would have compared the treated children with a much larger group of children who received comparable attention from a therapist and traditionally accepted treatment to compare the reflex integration treatment with traditional treatment, rather than with no treatment. It’s well-known that just attention from a therapist can produce a therapeutic effect even when the treatment itself doesn’t have any effect at all. And the results produced changes in reflex patterns, which were correlated with improvements in cognitive abilities, but since there’s no mention in the study of the children being randomly assigned to treatment or control groups, we can’t say with any certainty that the treatment *caused* these improvements. So that’s that.

And while we’re on the topic of co-morbidity, which is two or more chronic diagnoses in the same individual, some authors estimate that the majority of children with autism spectrum disorders have SPD, although not all children with SPD have autism.

SPD is also very difficult to diagnose, and this topic brings me to the part of the episode where I’m not going to just recite what Dr. Miller and Dr. Ayres say but bring a bit more of a critical perspective. SPD is actually not included in the Fifth Edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which is abbreviated as DSM-V, which is the standard diagnostic guide for psychological diagnoses, although I should acknowledge that what makes it into the DSM is as much a political issue as a diagnostic one – the first and second editions of the DSM included homosexuality as a mental disorder and it wasn’t removed until 1973. Dr. Ayres developed a Sensory Integration and Praxis test which has been described as “the most comprehensive and statistically sound means for assessing some important aspects of sensory integration, most notably praxis and tactile discrimination,” but apparently five of the 17 subtests are unstable, which means that the same child is likely to get different results each time they are tested. Dr. Ayres reported that scores on the test were different for children with and without learning disabilities, although subsequent analyses of her work showed there were actually no reliable differences between the scores of children with and without learning disabilities, which is a pretty big problem.

The American Academy of Pediatrics published a position paper in 2012 stating “it remains unclear whether children who present with findings described as sensory processing difficulties have an actual “disorder” of the sensory pathways of the brain (and I will note, Dr. Ayres says they do), or whether these deficits represent differences associated with other developmental and behavioral disorders. Specifically, the behavioral differences seen in children with autism spectrum disorders, attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, and developmental coordination disorders overlap symptoms described in children with sensory processing disorders. Studies to date have not demonstrated that sensory integration dysfunction exists as a separate disorder distinct from these other developmental disabilities. Furthermore, numerous challenges exist for evaluating the effectiveness of sensory integration therapy, including the wide spectrum of symptom severity and presentation, lack of consistent outcome measures, and family factors, which make response to therapy variable.” The APA officially recommends that “At this time, pediatricians should not use sensory processing disorder as a diagnosis.” Dr. Miller’s team published a paper in 2014 describing the development of a new scale to diagnose SPD, but it focused on only some of the sub-types and the study was conducted on only 20 children, and only 10 of those actually had a developmental disorder, with the other 10 being typically developing children in a comparison group. Dr. Miller does acknowledge that “the standardization of a reliable and valid scale to assess SPD is essential for the field to move forward” but at the moment, we don’t have one.

So I want to set this issue of diagnosis aside for a bit and talk about prevalence and treatment, because that is, after all, how we got here in the first place – after occupational therapy was successful for my friend Jess’ daughter.

The most widely cited study on the prevalence of SPD was conducted by Dr. Miller and her colleagues, where the researchers sent surveys out to the parents of one suburban public school asking about whether their children exhibit symptoms of SPD. Only 39% of the parents responded, and the researchers were conservative in assuming that none of the parents who didn’t respond who had children who had these symptoms, and based on this they came up with a prevalence rate of 5.3%. If you assume that the children of the non-responding parents had symptoms at the same rate as the responding parents then the prevalence rate goes up to 13.7%. Of course, there are a variety of problems with this – firstly, that this is a suburban school district of mostly white, middle class parents who may be more likely to look for symptoms in their children and report these to a set of researchers. The second problem is that 39% of parents from one school really is a pretty low response rate to base this kind of determination on, even if you are going to assess the results conservatively. Thirdly, the researchers didn’t make any attempt to study comorbidity, which is the concept of having more than one infliction at once, and as we already know SPD has a LOT of symptoms in common with other potential diagnoses. And, finally, there’s the predictable issue we see with so much other research on this show – we see a heavily caveated result in a paper that gets grasped by other researchers and reported as if it were fact: for example, a 2013 paper reports that “Mental health practitioners, however, may have limited information or understanding of [SPD]. This is concerning, as [the disorder] is estimated to occur in 5% of the general population (Ahn et al. 2004), equating to three million children in the United States (United States Census Bureau 2008).” Another set of researchers report that “In fact, Ahn, Miller, Milberger, and McIntosh found that 5-15% of children in the general population of kindergarten-age children demonstrate difficulties with sensory modulation” when in fact it would be irresponsible to generalize from...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/spd]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=3781</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2019 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/92761f30-d1e9-4426-b4bd-ee2985a860dd/sensory-processing-disorderedited-1.mp3" length="50796063" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This episode comes to us courtesy of my friend Jess, whose daughter has Sensory Processing Disorder (SPD) and who is on a mission to make sure that as many parents as possible learn about it.  She says that every time she describes it to a parent they realize that they know someone who exhibits behavior that looks like SPD that warrants following up.
I have to say that I was highly ambivalent about doing this episode, because I don’t usually deal with topics that result in medical diagnoses as I’m (obviously) not a doctor. But the more I looked into this the more I realized that helping parents to understand the mess of research on this topic is exactly the kind of thing that I usually do on this show, and that an episode on this topic could probably be useful to a number of you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/magazine/the-mind-of-john-mcphee.html (And here’s the love letter to John McPhee that I mention in the episode)
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<a href="https://pretentiousmama.wordpress.com/2019/03/26/talk-numbers-with-your-little-girl/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Here’s Rose’s blog</a>, where she discusses what she thought of my <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/pink/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue episode</a>.

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In this episode we continue our series on the intersection of race and parenting, which we started with <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege/">Dr. Margaret Hagerman on the topic of White privilege in parenting</a>; then we covered <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege/">White privilege in schools with Dr. Allison Roda</a> and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talkingaboutrace/">what parents can do to overcome structural racism as well as talk with their children about race with Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum</a>.

Today we’re continuing the series by learning from Dr. John Bickford about how to actually have a conversation with our child on a topic as complex and difficult as slavery or the Civil Rights Movement, using both primary sources and children’s ‘trade’ books.

During the episode you’ll hear Dr. Bickford and I hatch an idea to develop a resource guide for parents on exactly what sources and books to use to make sure you’re discussing the right issues within these topics: download the guide below!

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<strong>References:</strong>
<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bauer, M.D. (2009). Martin Luther King, Jr. New York, NY: Scholastic.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H., &amp; Rich, C.W. (2014). Examining the representation of slavery within children’s literature. Social Studies Research and Practice 9(1), 66-94.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H., &amp; Rich, C.W. (2015). The historical representation of Thanksgiving within primary- and intermediate-level children’s literature. Journal of Children’s Literature 41(1), 5-21.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H. (2015). Assessing and addressing historical misrepresentations within children’s literature about the Civil Rights Movement. The History Teacher 48(4), 693-736.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H., &amp; Schuette, L.N. (2016). Trade books’ historical representation of the Black Freedom Movement, slavery through civil rights. Journal of Children’s Literature 42(1), 20-43.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J. (2018). Primary elementary students’ historical literacy, thinking, and argumentation about Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan. The History Teacher 51(2), 269-292.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Marzollo, J., &amp; Pinkney, J.B. (1993). Happy Birthday Martin Luther King. New York, NY: Scholastic.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Southern Poverty Law Center (2019). Anti-racism activity: ‘The Sneetches.’ Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.tolerance.org/classroom-resources/tolerance-lessons/antiracism-activity-the-sneetches">https://www.tolerance.org/classroom-resources/tolerance-lessons/antiracism-activity-the-sneetches</a></p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Southern Poverty Law Center (2019). Classroom simulations: Proceed with caution. Author. Retrieved from https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/spring-2008/classroom-simulations-proceed-with-caution</p>
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Jen:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.63">00:01:44</a>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners will recall that we've been talking about the Intersection of Race and Parenting for a while now. We opened by talking with Dr. Margaret Hagerman on the topic of White Privilege and Parenting. And then we heard from Dr. Allison Roda on White Privilege in Schools. In our third episode, one of my listeners, Dr. Kim Rybacki and I interviewed Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum. And we tried really hard to cover a lot of ground on both what parents can do to overcome structural racism and on how to talk with our children about race. But I was very cognizant of the stones that we left unturned that I really wish we had time to address. Now, I reached out to today's guest because I wanted to better understand his work on how historical figures are depicted in children's literature. And he responded, I should be on your show.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.43">00:02:31</a>

And after I read his papers, I said, yes, you should. So, Dr. John Bickford is here with us today. I just wanted to mention though that I'm rerecording this introduction because you'll hear in the conversation that we formulated an idea to develop some resources to help parents talk with their children about difficult topics like slavery and the Civil Rights Movement. And we actually went ahead and did that. So, each one is a short PDF that walks you through primary sources were these exist on each topic as well as a collection of children's books. You’ll hear Dr. Bickford refer to these as trade books and if it's been awhile since you studied history, then primary sources or things like photographs and posters of slave auctions and audio recordings of former slaves, which you might not normally consider as things to share with young children.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.69">00:03:13</a>

But which Dr. Bickford has actually done very successfully. So, the thing that makes these resources unique is that they use frameworks developed by the Southern Poverty Law Center for teaching young children about these topics. So, it's not just a random collection of books and pictures and videos that we thought were interesting, but together they address what scholars believe to be the most important ideas on each topic. Things like the fact that enslaved people brought rich cultures and traditions with them that continue today and that the Civil Rights Movement was pushed forward by many, many concerted efforts and not just by Dr. Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks. Primary sources do exist for a lot of these ideas, but where we couldn't find any, we supplemented with interesting secondary sources like videos. So, if you subscribed to the show through my website, you'll already have received these resources and the email about this podcast episode.

Jen:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.44">00:04:02</a>

If you subscribed through a podcasting platform like iTunes or Stitcher, then I don't have a way to get this to you, but you can head over to this episode's page at YourParentingMojo.com/TeachingRace to download these resources. So, back to the interview, Dr. Bickford received his Bachelor's Degree in History, his Master's Degree in Secondary Education and his Ph.D. in Social Studies Education all from the University of Iowa. And he's now Associate Professor at Eastern Illinois University where he teaches How to Teach Social Studies at the elementary and middle school levels. His research focuses on how social studies and history education is taught at these levels, how students think about history as well as historical misrepresentations within children's literature. And today we're going to discuss a ton of resources to help us teach children about topics related to race. Welcome Dr. Bickford.

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=291.44">00:04:51</a>

Thank you for having me.

Jen:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.1">00:04:53</a>

All right. So, we've started each episode in this series by both me and my guests stating our privileges. And so my guests have heard mine a number of times right now. So, I'm going to state these quickly. These are my Whiteness, my economic status and the upper middle class, heterosexuality, able-bodiedness and my education. And I was actually also reminded by one of my Instagram followers last night that I should acknowledge the native Americans on whose land I sit, and those are the Chochenyo Ohlone. And I actually pay the Shuumi Tax, which is a donation that's acknowledgement of this land used to belong to these people and was taken from them. So, I wonder if you could begin by telling us some of your privileges, please.

Dr. Bickford: <a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

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In this episode we continue our series on the intersection of race and parenting, which we started with <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege/">Dr. Margaret Hagerman on the topic of White privilege in parenting</a>; then we covered <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege/">White privilege in schools with Dr. Allison Roda</a> and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talkingaboutrace/">what parents can do to overcome structural racism as well as talk with their children about race with Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum</a>.

Today we’re continuing the series by learning from Dr. John Bickford about how to actually have a conversation with our child on a topic as complex and difficult as slavery or the Civil Rights Movement, using both primary sources and children’s ‘trade’ books.

During the episode you’ll hear Dr. Bickford and I hatch an idea to develop a resource guide for parents on exactly what sources and books to use to make sure you’re discussing the right issues within these topics: download the guide below!

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<strong>References:</strong>
<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bauer, M.D. (2009). Martin Luther King, Jr. New York, NY: Scholastic.</p>


<hr />
<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H., &amp; Rich, C.W. (2014). Examining the representation of slavery within children’s literature. Social Studies Research and Practice 9(1), 66-94.</p>


<hr />
<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H., &amp; Rich, C.W. (2015). The historical representation of Thanksgiving within primary- and intermediate-level children’s literature. Journal of Children’s Literature 41(1), 5-21.</p>


<hr />
<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H. (2015). Assessing and addressing historical misrepresentations within children’s literature about the Civil Rights Movement. The History Teacher 48(4), 693-736.</p>


<hr />
<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J.H., &amp; Schuette, L.N. (2016). Trade books’ historical representation of the Black Freedom Movement, slavery through civil rights. Journal of Children’s Literature 42(1), 20-43.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Bickford, J. (2018). Primary elementary students’ historical literacy, thinking, and argumentation about Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan. The History Teacher 51(2), 269-292.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Marzollo, J., &amp; Pinkney, J.B. (1993). Happy Birthday Martin Luther King. New York, NY: Scholastic.</p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Southern Poverty Law Center (2019). Anti-racism activity: ‘The Sneetches.’ Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.tolerance.org/classroom-resources/tolerance-lessons/antiracism-activity-the-sneetches">https://www.tolerance.org/classroom-resources/tolerance-lessons/antiracism-activity-the-sneetches</a></p>


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<p class="Body" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt">Southern Poverty Law Center (2019). Classroom simulations: Proceed with caution. Author. Retrieved from https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/spring-2008/classroom-simulations-proceed-with-caution</p>
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Jen:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.63">00:01:44</a>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners will recall that we've been talking about the Intersection of Race and Parenting for a while now. We opened by talking with Dr. Margaret Hagerman on the topic of White Privilege and Parenting. And then we heard from Dr. Allison Roda on White Privilege in Schools. In our third episode, one of my listeners, Dr. Kim Rybacki and I interviewed Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum. And we tried really hard to cover a lot of ground on both what parents can do to overcome structural racism and on how to talk with our children about race. But I was very cognizant of the stones that we left unturned that I really wish we had time to address. Now, I reached out to today's guest because I wanted to better understand his work on how historical figures are depicted in children's literature. And he responded, I should be on your show.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.43">00:02:31</a>

And after I read his papers, I said, yes, you should. So, Dr. John Bickford is here with us today. I just wanted to mention though that I'm rerecording this introduction because you'll hear in the conversation that we formulated an idea to develop some resources to help parents talk with their children about difficult topics like slavery and the Civil Rights Movement. And we actually went ahead and did that. So, each one is a short PDF that walks you through primary sources were these exist on each topic as well as a collection of children's books. You’ll hear Dr. Bickford refer to these as trade books and if it's been awhile since you studied history, then primary sources or things like photographs and posters of slave auctions and audio recordings of former slaves, which you might not normally consider as things to share with young children.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.69">00:03:13</a>

But which Dr. Bickford has actually done very successfully. So, the thing that makes these resources unique is that they use frameworks developed by the Southern Poverty Law Center for teaching young children about these topics. So, it's not just a random collection of books and pictures and videos that we thought were interesting, but together they address what scholars believe to be the most important ideas on each topic. Things like the fact that enslaved people brought rich cultures and traditions with them that continue today and that the Civil Rights Movement was pushed forward by many, many concerted efforts and not just by Dr. Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks. Primary sources do exist for a lot of these ideas, but where we couldn't find any, we supplemented with interesting secondary sources like videos. So, if you subscribed to the show through my website, you'll already have received these resources and the email about this podcast episode.

Jen:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.44">00:04:02</a>

If you subscribed through a podcasting platform like iTunes or Stitcher, then I don't have a way to get this to you, but you can head over to this episode's page at YourParentingMojo.com/TeachingRace to download these resources. So, back to the interview, Dr. Bickford received his Bachelor's Degree in History, his Master's Degree in Secondary Education and his Ph.D. in Social Studies Education all from the University of Iowa. And he's now Associate Professor at Eastern Illinois University where he teaches How to Teach Social Studies at the elementary and middle school levels. His research focuses on how social studies and history education is taught at these levels, how students think about history as well as historical misrepresentations within children's literature. And today we're going to discuss a ton of resources to help us teach children about topics related to race. Welcome Dr. Bickford.

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=291.44">00:04:51</a>

Thank you for having me.

Jen:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.1">00:04:53</a>

All right. So, we've started each episode in this series by both me and my guests stating our privileges. And so my guests have heard mine a number of times right now. So, I'm going to state these quickly. These are my Whiteness, my economic status and the upper middle class, heterosexuality, able-bodiedness and my education. And I was actually also reminded by one of my Instagram followers last night that I should acknowledge the native Americans on whose land I sit, and those are the Chochenyo Ohlone. And I actually pay the Shuumi Tax, which is a donation that's acknowledgement of this land used to belong to these people and was taken from them. So, I wonder if you could begin by telling us some of your privileges, please.

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.36">00:05:28</a>

Well, it would be Whiteness and upper middle class socioeconomic status. I'm a heterosexual, cisgender, able-bodied White male. I benefited tremendously from having two parents with college degrees and a grandfather who was a college professor. So, education and enriching experiences like museums and concerts were something that I kind of grew up with. I also have the privilege of being physically larger and more athletic than most folks, but my teenage son would disagree. And since you mentioned about the first people’s or native American’s land on which you're sitting, mine would be of the Mississippian culture or the Cahokian culture.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=372.09">00:06:12</a>

Oh, wow! And you must know that off the top of your head because I added that after I sent you the question list.

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=378">00:06:18</a>

Yeah, yeah. That was not on the list, but one of my favorite passions as a child and as an adult now still with my own reading is about the native people of North and particularly Central and Southern America. I really, really enjoy that. Yeah.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=393.77">00:06:33</a>

Okay. Well, we may get to talk about that a little bit more in the interview. I wonder if we could start up by talking a bit about your work. Can you tell us what kind of books you study and how you study them?

Dr. Bickford:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=402.93">00:06:42</a>

Sure. Generally speaking, I study the texts and tasks, the best facilitate historical reading and thinking and writing. These are the sources and strategies that get kids to think historically not memorizing historical dates. That's historical comprehension. But real historical thinking is looking at different sources and figuring out what actually happened, like a detective at a crime scene, so to speak, and invariably that involves the texts that include the curriculum the parents and teachers choose and use with their children and teenagers. And from an educational psychology standpoint, I spend most of my time on elementary children and some children in the middle grades. If you were to think of it as like a Venn diagram with one circle being what the experts know, the historians, the archeologists, the anthropologists, and then the other circle being what's included in the curricula, textbooks and trade books.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=393.77">00:07:40</a>

Those things overlap in some way?

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=402.93">00:07:43</a>

In some ways they do. I explore the areas of convergence and also particularly the divergences between historians and children's authors. I don't get too much into the historical quibbles or the nuances. I tried to focus on what I consider important big picture aspects. Like is this accurate? But also age-appropriate. Could this be taught to a 5-year-old? Could this be taught to a 10-year-old? Things like that.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=490.12">00:08:10</a>

Yeah. We had a fair bit of email conversation before this episode and I was looking for a blog post that's actually well have been published by the time this episode goes out on what we should learn during Black history month. And so I asked Dr. Bickford if he knew of any online resource that actually presented an accurate view of Lincoln rather than this, not quite accurate version that a lot of us understand. And he kind of said, well, historians get over these things when they do an undergraduate degree. So no, there's not really information out there because they don't have a reason to put it out there because they just know it's not true and they don't really speak to laypeople. And I was really interested by that and I'd never thought about the resources that are available online in that way before.

Dr. Bickford:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=532.49">00:08:52</a>

It really is remarkable, but it's kind of like this idea if you were to ask a hundred folks, when did native Americans start to inhabit North and South America? Probably 95 of them would say something like about 10,000 years ago they walked across the Bering Strait and since then they populated North and South America. The five people who wouldn't say that have background in archeology or historiography or anthropology.

Jen:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=561.62">00:09:21</a>

Okay. Don't tease us like that. Give us the answer.

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=564.99">00:09:24</a>

It's hard to know. But they know that they came over more than one way and they can do this linguists. Linguists by evaluating the different patterns of languages and people disagree to degree. But it's anywhere from four to six different language groups that are in the North and South America for Native Americans. And they assume it was in these four to six different waves because presumably there were small tribes that walked across and linguists may disagree here and there on the small aspects, but the most logical answer that most people would agree with is that it was probably multiple groups probably starting somewhere between 25 and 35,000 years ago and probably the last one was maybe 10 to 15,000 years ago and I just mentioned the linguistic evidence, but there's also a lot of contemporaneous evidence when it comes to spheres and in bison and woolly mammoths and things like that, spearhead points and things like that. It's a whole lot more complicated than what I can just convey in a short answer here.

Jen:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.31">00:10:25</a>

Yeah, for sure. I didn't realize your expertise extended to that area. We've been talking a lot about slavery and Lincoln and I didn't realize that was one of your primary interest.

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=634.23">00:10:34</a>

Actually, my primary interest is what historians call the Black Freedom Movement from slavery until beyond the traditional Civil Rights Movement. Native American history is something that I'm deeply fascinated by, but I haven't taken too many courses in that. I just read it on my own. It's a hobby. But I have done some research on it.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=655.52">00:10:55</a>

Super. So, let's get back to that Venn diagram that you mentioned and I'm going to quote from one of your papers. It says “Trade books potential and popularity give a false impression of their curricular soundness.” And so firstly, I wonder if you could just briefly just find what trade books are for us. And then secondly, what are some of the more egregious examples that you've seen where historical events depicted in these books are just plain wrong?

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=679.63">00:11:19</a>

Sure. Trade books are biographies, narrative, nonfiction, historical fiction books, books that parents buy for kids over Christmas break and summer break. They're distinct from textbooks, which is trying to be comprehensive. With textbooks, there's lots of different ways to look at textbooks, but you can't cover everything. If you have to cover from Columbus to Lincoln in 300 pages, you can't cover everything. But it's the trade books, it's the biographies of Rosa Parks. It's things like that. It's the biographies of Abraham Lincoln that I'm most curious about because they're presenting themselves often as nonfiction. And that's what I mean by trade books. Some of the most egregious examples, the two most common are phrases like Hitler brainwashed. Where about 40% of the books actually used that word brainwashed. For one of my articles, I reviewed about 50 books, maybe 60, I forget, all centered on the Holocaust.

Dr. Bickford: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KiPNBpnJUOhKx9DktgMYZj6JxR50k0-J7ada1EoFM9iwXXhc-J4x_nhz9-08JtkjOoMWCHMp6LaciIGrpenXB5ugt3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=738.85">00:12:18</a>

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If we set ineffective limits, our child never knows where we stand.  They push and push and push because they know we will allow it, then finally we blow up because they pushed us TOO FAR and they end up in tears (or angry) and we end up angry (or in tears, or both).

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But doesn’t setting limits mean being “harsh” or “punitive”?  Not at all!  When we set <em>the right limits</em> (by which I mean the right limits <em>for your family</em>), you can hold those limits effectively and the testing behavior will diminish <em>dramatically</em>.

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<strong>Other episodes mentioned:</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling/">Why storytelling is so important for our children</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/rewards/">Should we just Go Ahead and Heap Rewards on our Child?</a></li></ul><br/>
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Andreadakis, E., Joussemet, M., &amp; Mageau, G.A. (2018). How to support toddlers’ autonomy: Socialization practices reported by parents. Early Education and Development 1-18.

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Denby, R.W., &amp; Alford, K.A. (1996). Understanding African American discipline styles: Suggestions for effective social work intervention. Journal of Multicultural Social Work 4(3), 81-98. Full article available at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234770892_Understanding_African_American_Discipline_Styles_Suggestions_for_Effective_Social_Work_Intervention

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Gough, J.L. (2006). Make mild moments memorable: Add a little arousal. Trends in Cognitive Sciences 10(8), 345-347. Full article available at http://aclab.human.cornell.edu/publications/papers/McGaugh_TiCS06.pdf

<hr />

Helwig, C.C., To, S., Wang, Q., Liu, C., &amp; Yang, S. (2014). Judgements and reasoning about parental discipline involving induction and psychological control in China and Canada. Child Development 85(3), 1150-1167.

<hr />

Hoffman, M.L. (1960). Power assertion by the parent and its impact on the child. Child Development 31(1), 129-143

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Koestner, R., Lekes, N., &amp; Houlfort, N. (2004). Introducing uninteresting tasks to children: A comparison of the effects of rewards and autonomy support. Journal of Personality 72(1), 139-166.

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Landry, R., &amp; Koestner, R. (2008). A self-determination theory perspective on parenting. Canadian Psychology 49(3), 194-200

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Mageau, G.A., &amp; Koestner, R. (2014). Promoting optimal parenting and children’s mental health: A preliminary evaluation of the how-to parenting program. Journal of Child and Family Studies 23(6), 949-964.

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Mageau, G.A., Larose, M-P, Briand, M., &amp; Vitaro, F. (2018). How to talk so kids will listen &amp; listen so kids will talk: A randomized controlled trial evaluating the efficacy of the how-to parenting program on children’s mental health compared to a wait-list control group. BMC Pediatrics 18, 257-

<hr />

Kochanska, G., &amp; Aksan, N. (1995). Mother-child mutually positive affect, the quality of child compliance to requests and prohibitions, and maternal control as correlates of early internalization. Child Development 66(1), 236-254.

<hr />

Kuczynski, L., &amp; Kochanska, G. (1990). Development of children’s noncompliance strategies from toddlerhood to age 5. Developmental Psychology 26(3), 398-408.

<hr />

Lepper, M.L. (1983). Social-control processes and the internalization of social values: An attributional perspective. In E.T. Higgins, D.N. Ruble, &amp; W.W. Hartup (Eds.), Social cognition and social development (p.294-330). New York, NY: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Mageau, G.A., Lessard, J., Carpentier, J., Robichaud, J-M, Joussemet, M., &amp; Koestner, R. (2018). Effectiveness and acceptability beliefs regarding logical consequences and mild punishments.

<hr />

Rohner, R.P., &amp; Pettengill, S.M. (1985). Perceived parental acceptance-rejection and parental control among Korean adolescents. Child Development 56, 524-528.

<hr />

Soenens, B., &amp; Vansteenkiste, M. (2010). A theoretical upgrade of the concept of parental psychological control: Proposing new insights on the basis of self-determination theory. Developmental Review 30, 74-99.

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<strong>References</strong>

Andreadakis, E., Joussemet, M., &amp; Mageau, G.A. (2018). How to support toddlers’ autonomy: Socialization practices reported by parents. Early Education and Development 1-18.

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Denby, R.W., &amp; Alford, K.A. (1996). Understanding African American discipline styles: Suggestions for effective social work intervention. Journal of Multicultural Social Work 4(3), 81-98. Full article available at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234770892_Understanding_African_American_Discipline_Styles_Suggestions_for_Effective_Social_Work_Intervention

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Gough, J.L. (2006). Make mild moments memorable: Add a little arousal. Trends in Cognitive Sciences 10(8), 345-347. Full article available at http://aclab.human.cornell.edu/publications/papers/McGaugh_TiCS06.pdf

<hr />

Helwig, C.C., To, S., Wang, Q., Liu, C., &amp; Yang, S. (2014). Judgements and reasoning about parental discipline involving induction and psychological control in China and Canada. Child Development 85(3), 1150-1167.

<hr />

Hoffman, M.L. (1960). Power assertion by the parent and its impact on the child. Child Development 31(1), 129-143

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Koestner, R., Lekes, N., &amp; Houlfort, N. (2004). Introducing uninteresting tasks to children: A comparison of the effects of rewards and autonomy support. Journal of Personality 72(1), 139-166.

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Landry, R., &amp; Koestner, R. (2008). A self-determination theory perspective on parenting. Canadian Psychology 49(3), 194-200

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Mageau, G.A., &amp; Koestner, R. (2014). Promoting optimal parenting and children’s mental health: A preliminary evaluation of the how-to parenting program. Journal of Child and Family Studies 23(6), 949-964.

<hr />

Joussemet, M., Mageau, G.A., Larose, M-P, Briand, M., &amp; Vitaro, F. (2018). How to talk so kids will listen &amp; listen so kids will talk: A randomized controlled trial evaluating the efficacy of the how-to parenting program on children’s mental health compared to a wait-list control group. BMC Pediatrics 18, 257-

<hr />

Kochanska, G., &amp; Aksan, N. (1995). Mother-child mutually positive affect, the quality of child compliance to requests and prohibitions, and maternal control as correlates of early internalization. Child Development 66(1), 236-254.

<hr />

Kuczynski, L., &amp; Kochanska, G. (1990). Development of children’s noncompliance strategies from toddlerhood to age 5. Developmental Psychology 26(3), 398-408.

<hr />

Lepper, M.L. (1983). Social-control processes and the internalization of social values: An attributional perspective. In E.T. Higgins, D.N. Ruble, &amp; W.W. Hartup (Eds.), Social cognition and social development (p.294-330). New York, NY: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Mageau, G.A., Lessard, J., Carpentier, J., Robichaud, J-M, Joussemet, M., &amp; Koestner, R. (2018). Effectiveness and acceptability beliefs regarding logical consequences and mild punishments.

<hr />

Rohner, R.P., &amp; Pettengill, S.M. (1985). Perceived parental acceptance-rejection and parental control among Korean adolescents. Child Development 56, 524-528.

<hr />

Soenens, B., &amp; Vansteenkiste, M. (2010). A theoretical upgrade of the concept of parental psychological control: Proposing new insights on the basis of self-determination theory. Developmental Review 30, 74-99.

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We’ve laid a lot of groundwork on topics related to race by now: we learned about White <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege/">privilege in parenting</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege/">White privilege in schools</a>, and even <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports/">how parents can use sports to give their children advantages in school and in life</a>.

Today my listener Dr. Kim Rybacki and I interview a giant in the field: Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum, author of the now-classic book (recently released in a 20th anniversary edition!) <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Kids-Sitting-Together-Cafeteria/dp/0465083617">Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria: And Other Conversations About Race</a>.

We begin by assessing what is White parents’ responsibility to help dismantle structural racism, and then learn how to discuss race and racism with our children.  And in the next episode in this series I’ll have some really in-depth resources to support you in having these conversations with your own children.

Dr. Tatum was featured in a short piece with Lester Holt on how to talk with children about racial injustice that you might also find helpful - she describes ways you can answer their questions honestly and fully in an age-appropriate way.  <a href="https://www.beverlydanieltatum.com/nightlykids-talking-to-kids-about-racial-injustice-with-lester-holt/">You can find a link to the interview on her website here.</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bonilla-Silva, E., (2004). From bi-racial to tri-racial: Towards a new system of racial stratification in the USA. Ethnic and Racial Studies 27(6), 931-950.

<hr />

Cheney-Rice, Z. (2018, November 11). Bernie Sanders and the lies we tell White voters. New York Intelligencer. Retrieved from http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/bernie-sanders-and-the-lies-we-tell-white-voters.html

<hr />

Derman-Sparks, L., &amp; Olsen, J. (2009). Anti-bias education for young children and ourselves. National Association for the Education of Young Children. Available at https://www.naeyc.org/resources/pubs/books/anti-bias-education

<hr />

Hagerman, M. (2018). White Kids: Growing up with privilege in a racially divided America. New York, NY: New York University Press.

<hr />

Helms, J. E. (Ed.). (1990). Contributions in Afro-American and African studies, No. 129. Black and White racial identity: Theory, research, and practice. New York, NY, England: Greenwood Press.

<hr />

King, M.L. (2010). Where do we go from here: Chaos or Community? Boston, MA: Beacon.

<hr />

Kivel, P. (2017). Uprooting racism: How White people can work for racial justice (4th Ed.). Gabriola Island, B.C.: New Society.

<hr />

Miller, S. (2017, December 8). Reading race: Proactive conversations with young children. Raising Race-Conscious Children. Retrieved from http://www.raceconscious.org/2017/12/explicitlanguageracebooks/

<hr />

Roda, A. (2015). Inequality in gifted and talented programs: Parental choices about status, school opportunity, and second-generation segregation. London, U.K.: Palgrave MacMillan.

<hr />

Stalvey, L.M. (1989). The education of a WASP. Madison, WI: The University of Wisconsin Press.

<hr />

Sullivan, S. (2014). Good White people: The problem with middle-class White anti-racism. Albany, NY: State University of New York Press.

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Tatum, B.D. (2017). Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?. New York, NY: Basic.

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Van Ausdale, D.V. &amp; Feagin, J.R. (2001). The first R: How children learn race and racism. Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield.

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Jen: 01:25

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a very special episode lined up for today and I’m recording this introduction separately, so as not to take time away from the interview. If you’re a regular listener, you might have heard my episodes on White Privilege and Parenting and also White Privilege in Schools in which we looked at some of the structural racism that’s present in our society that we might not have recognized until now, especially if we’re White. I’d also like to direct you back to the very beginning of the show because in episode 6, which was called “Wait, is my toddler racist?” We discovered how implicit bias works, how it’s often present even in very young children and how just not talking with children about color or what is known as the colorblind approach is one of the more effective ways to raise a child who experiences racial prejudice.

Jen: 02:10

Having been completely immersed in the literature on this topic for the last couple of months, I’m also going to adjust my terminology to be more in line with the language that my guest uses. Racial prejudice describes a person’s attitude while racism or structural racism is the system that confers advantages on White people and disadvantages on people who aren’t White by reinforcing ideas about White superiority. If you haven’t already listened to these previous episodes then I would strongly encourage you to do so as a lot of the ideas and language we’ll use today was established in these episodes and we won’t spend a lot of time laying groundwork today so we can maximize our time on the really deep questions. I also want to acknowledge that when we use terms like White privilege and implicit bias, that it can make it seem like White people are innocent if ignorant recipients of an unfair advantage.

Jen: 02:55

We didn’t ask for this privilege after all, we were just born into a system in which we have it, but in reality, there are a lot of things that White people do every day to perpetuate and even reinforce the system. We talked about some of them in our episodes on White Privilege. These can be as simple as things like finding a resource related to education that not everybody knows about and sharing that information among networks of White people, which makes it more difficult for people of nondominant cultures to access these resources and of course they can take much more insidious forms like electing racist leaders who explicitly perpetuate Whites’ advantage. So today we’re very lucky to have two special guests with us. The first one needs almost no introduction. Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum is former president of Spelman College, licensed clinical psychologist and nationally recognized authority on racial issues in America.

Jen: 03:45

Dr. Tatum holds a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Michigan and for 18 years she taught a course called Psychology of Racism at three different institutions. She’s the author of the seminal book, Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria, which was revised and updated in 2017 and is a nationally renowned expert on the subjects of race and racial identity development. And here with me today to help me co-interview Dr. Tatum is Dr. Kim Rybacki who received her Ph.D. in Developmental Psychology from the City University of New York, and is on the Behavioral Sciences Faculty at Dutchess Community College in New York. Dr. Rybacki is in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group, which you should join if you’re not already a member, and we had a conversation in the group about things that she’s trying to do to “fight for a better system while doing the least amount of damage in the current one as possible.” But she seemed very unsure as to whether she was doing the right things or even enough of the right things and so I realized she’d be the perfect person to talk this through with Dr. Tatum.

Jen: 04:42

I mentioned in the introductions to the previous two episodes that I acknowledged that race can be a difficult thing to talk about. To some extent, I think it’s sort of like talking about sex and even anatomically correct names for body parts, the more time you say vulva and penis, the less ridiculous it feels and the more ridiculous it feels that it feels ridiculous to say these words. So even if you’re feeling some resistance to the idea of listening to this episode, I would encourage you to sit tight with us, especially if you have a goal of raising race conscious children. So, we’re going to start off today by talking about the structural racism and what is our responsibility as parents to change the system and then we’ll talk about things that we can talk about and do with our children specifically on issues related to race.

Jen: 05:22

I’ll also remind you that we’ve began each of the episodes in this series by having both me and my guests state our privileges. You’ve heard mine a couple times already by now, so I’ll just state them quickly and then we’ll start by asking our guests about theirs. So, some of my main privileges are my Whiteness, my economic status in the upper middle class, heterosexuality, able-bodiedness and my education. Now let’s hear from my guests. So, welcome Dr. Tatum it’s great to have you here.

Dr. Tatum: 05:49

Thank you so much. Glad to be with you.

Jen: 05:51

And welcome Kim as well.

Kim: 05:53

Thank you. Great to be here.

Jen: 05:55

So, I’ve already stated my privileges in the introduction to this episode. I wonder if you wouldn’t mind starting by having each of you state your privileges in turn perhaps by starting with Dr. Tatum, please.

Dr. Tatum: 06:06

Sure. Well, when I think about privileges, I define that in terms of the ways that I’m systematically advantaged and so I’m systematically advantaged as a heterosexual. I identify as Christian and living in a Christian dominant society that...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

<hr />

We’ve laid a lot of groundwork on topics related to race by now: we learned about White <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege/">privilege in parenting</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege/">White privilege in schools</a>, and even <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports/">how parents can use sports to give their children advantages in school and in life</a>.

Today my listener Dr. Kim Rybacki and I interview a giant in the field: Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum, author of the now-classic book (recently released in a 20th anniversary edition!) <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Kids-Sitting-Together-Cafeteria/dp/0465083617">Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria: And Other Conversations About Race</a>.

We begin by assessing what is White parents’ responsibility to help dismantle structural racism, and then learn how to discuss race and racism with our children.  And in the next episode in this series I’ll have some really in-depth resources to support you in having these conversations with your own children.

Dr. Tatum was featured in a short piece with Lester Holt on how to talk with children about racial injustice that you might also find helpful - she describes ways you can answer their questions honestly and fully in an age-appropriate way.  <a href="https://www.beverlydanieltatum.com/nightlykids-talking-to-kids-about-racial-injustice-with-lester-holt/">You can find a link to the interview on her website here.</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bonilla-Silva, E., (2004). From bi-racial to tri-racial: Towards a new system of racial stratification in the USA. Ethnic and Racial Studies 27(6), 931-950.

<hr />

Cheney-Rice, Z. (2018, November 11). Bernie Sanders and the lies we tell White voters. New York Intelligencer. Retrieved from http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/bernie-sanders-and-the-lies-we-tell-white-voters.html

<hr />

Derman-Sparks, L., &amp; Olsen, J. (2009). Anti-bias education for young children and ourselves. National Association for the Education of Young Children. Available at https://www.naeyc.org/resources/pubs/books/anti-bias-education

<hr />

Hagerman, M. (2018). White Kids: Growing up with privilege in a racially divided America. New York, NY: New York University Press.

<hr />

Helms, J. E. (Ed.). (1990). Contributions in Afro-American and African studies, No. 129. Black and White racial identity: Theory, research, and practice. New York, NY, England: Greenwood Press.

<hr />

King, M.L. (2010). Where do we go from here: Chaos or Community? Boston, MA: Beacon.

<hr />

Kivel, P. (2017). Uprooting racism: How White people can work for racial justice (4th Ed.). Gabriola Island, B.C.: New Society.

<hr />

Miller, S. (2017, December 8). Reading race: Proactive conversations with young children. Raising Race-Conscious Children. Retrieved from http://www.raceconscious.org/2017/12/explicitlanguageracebooks/

<hr />

Roda, A. (2015). Inequality in gifted and talented programs: Parental choices about status, school opportunity, and second-generation segregation. London, U.K.: Palgrave MacMillan.

<hr />

Stalvey, L.M. (1989). The education of a WASP. Madison, WI: The University of Wisconsin Press.

<hr />

Sullivan, S. (2014). Good White people: The problem with middle-class White anti-racism. Albany, NY: State University of New York Press.

<hr />

Tatum, B.D. (2017). Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?. New York, NY: Basic.

<hr />

Van Ausdale, D.V. &amp; Feagin, J.R. (2001). The first R: How children learn race and racism. Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield.

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Jen: 01:25

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a very special episode lined up for today and I’m recording this introduction separately, so as not to take time away from the interview. If you’re a regular listener, you might have heard my episodes on White Privilege and Parenting and also White Privilege in Schools in which we looked at some of the structural racism that’s present in our society that we might not have recognized until now, especially if we’re White. I’d also like to direct you back to the very beginning of the show because in episode 6, which was called “Wait, is my toddler racist?” We discovered how implicit bias works, how it’s often present even in very young children and how just not talking with children about color or what is known as the colorblind approach is one of the more effective ways to raise a child who experiences racial prejudice.

Jen: 02:10

Having been completely immersed in the literature on this topic for the last couple of months, I’m also going to adjust my terminology to be more in line with the language that my guest uses. Racial prejudice describes a person’s attitude while racism or structural racism is the system that confers advantages on White people and disadvantages on people who aren’t White by reinforcing ideas about White superiority. If you haven’t already listened to these previous episodes then I would strongly encourage you to do so as a lot of the ideas and language we’ll use today was established in these episodes and we won’t spend a lot of time laying groundwork today so we can maximize our time on the really deep questions. I also want to acknowledge that when we use terms like White privilege and implicit bias, that it can make it seem like White people are innocent if ignorant recipients of an unfair advantage.

Jen: 02:55

We didn’t ask for this privilege after all, we were just born into a system in which we have it, but in reality, there are a lot of things that White people do every day to perpetuate and even reinforce the system. We talked about some of them in our episodes on White Privilege. These can be as simple as things like finding a resource related to education that not everybody knows about and sharing that information among networks of White people, which makes it more difficult for people of nondominant cultures to access these resources and of course they can take much more insidious forms like electing racist leaders who explicitly perpetuate Whites’ advantage. So today we’re very lucky to have two special guests with us. The first one needs almost no introduction. Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum is former president of Spelman College, licensed clinical psychologist and nationally recognized authority on racial issues in America.

Jen: 03:45

Dr. Tatum holds a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Michigan and for 18 years she taught a course called Psychology of Racism at three different institutions. She’s the author of the seminal book, Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria, which was revised and updated in 2017 and is a nationally renowned expert on the subjects of race and racial identity development. And here with me today to help me co-interview Dr. Tatum is Dr. Kim Rybacki who received her Ph.D. in Developmental Psychology from the City University of New York, and is on the Behavioral Sciences Faculty at Dutchess Community College in New York. Dr. Rybacki is in the Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group, which you should join if you’re not already a member, and we had a conversation in the group about things that she’s trying to do to “fight for a better system while doing the least amount of damage in the current one as possible.” But she seemed very unsure as to whether she was doing the right things or even enough of the right things and so I realized she’d be the perfect person to talk this through with Dr. Tatum.

Jen: 04:42

I mentioned in the introductions to the previous two episodes that I acknowledged that race can be a difficult thing to talk about. To some extent, I think it’s sort of like talking about sex and even anatomically correct names for body parts, the more time you say vulva and penis, the less ridiculous it feels and the more ridiculous it feels that it feels ridiculous to say these words. So even if you’re feeling some resistance to the idea of listening to this episode, I would encourage you to sit tight with us, especially if you have a goal of raising race conscious children. So, we’re going to start off today by talking about the structural racism and what is our responsibility as parents to change the system and then we’ll talk about things that we can talk about and do with our children specifically on issues related to race.

Jen: 05:22

I’ll also remind you that we’ve began each of the episodes in this series by having both me and my guests state our privileges. You’ve heard mine a couple times already by now, so I’ll just state them quickly and then we’ll start by asking our guests about theirs. So, some of my main privileges are my Whiteness, my economic status in the upper middle class, heterosexuality, able-bodiedness and my education. Now let’s hear from my guests. So, welcome Dr. Tatum it’s great to have you here.

Dr. Tatum: 05:49

Thank you so much. Glad to be with you.

Jen: 05:51

And welcome Kim as well.

Kim: 05:53

Thank you. Great to be here.

Jen: 05:55

So, I’ve already stated my privileges in the introduction to this episode. I wonder if you wouldn’t mind starting by having each of you state your privileges in turn perhaps by starting with Dr. Tatum, please.

Dr. Tatum: 06:06

Sure. Well, when I think about privileges, I define that in terms of the ways that I’m systematically advantaged and so I’m systematically advantaged as a heterosexual. I identify as Christian and living in a Christian dominant society that also gives me privileges. I’m physically and cognitively able. I grew up in a middle class home with well-educated parents and have been the recipient of an excellent education myself, so that certainly advantages me and I am someone who identifies as economically secure. I am an African American woman and of course I’m targeted by racism and sexism, but I always just want to acknowledge that as a light skinned person, a light skinned African American, I feel that that also gives me privileges that dark skinned people don’t get.

Jen: 06:55

Thank you so much. Kim, would you mind saying yours as well?

Kim: 06:58

Sure. I mean using the same definition as Dr. Tatum, I would certainly start off with stating that I have White privilege as a White woman. Also cisgender heterosexual privilege. I am an able-bodied person with a strong educational background and secure economic status. So, those are what would come to mind first.

Jen: 07:20

Super. Thank you. And so we’re going to take two major tacks with our questions today. We’re going to start out by talking about structural racism and then we’re going to talk about how we actually talk to our children about racism and race as well more generally. When I was trying to think, can we really cover this in an hour? I was trying to think what on earth I could cut, but I decided that I wanted to try and ask Dr. Tatum as much of it as we can. So, we’ll start with the structural racism and then we’ll get into the how to talk with children about this topic. So, my first question for you is for anyone whose view of the history of Black people in America goes something kind of like Black people were brought here as slaves and then Lincoln freed them because he thought that slavery was wrong and then Black people essentially had all the same rights as White people, except that they couldn’t vote.

Jen: 08:03

Then they got that right in the 60s and now they’re essentially the same as Whites and they really don’t deserve any special treatment like affirmative action. Then I just want to encourage my listeners to read Carol Anderson’s book, White Rage because it just systematically dismantle all of these ideas and hundreds more besides and I was so impressed that it has 80 pages of references in 230 pages of book. Kim actually recommended that book to me. So, the point that I’m trying to make here is that while we might think that the playing field is level, the playing field has never been level. So, we may think this is a recent problem, now we’ve managed to elect a president who has sort of spews these hateful ideas and these ongoing nationwide problems with the election of officials who have racially prejudiced ideas and less we think this is a Republican or Conservative problem.

Jen: 08:50

We should also acknowledge the large role of the Clinton administration played in promoting mass incarceration in the name of war on drugs. And also Bernie Sanders’ recent suggestion that Whites who are uncomfortable voting for an African American president aren’t necessarily racist. So, this stuff is just all around us. It suffuses our everyday lives. It’s not just those people over there who don’t know any better. So, Dr. Tatum, I realize I’m sort of throwing us in the deep end a bit here, but I’m wondering what are some concrete steps we can realistically take ourselves as individuals to move forward and start to break the system?

Dr. Tatum: 09:23

Well, Jen I think you started with something that’s very important which is educating oneself. As you mentioned, a lot of people are quite misinformed or uninformed about the ways in which racism has operated in our society and continues to operate. And so you can’t solve a problem if you don’t acknowledge that it exists. So of course learning more about it is critical. One of the reasons I wrote my book, Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria: And Other Conversations About Race back in 1997 and then updated it in 2017 was really for that purpose to help people, the readers White and of color understand what racism is, the systematic nature of it, how it has been built into the very fabric of our society and how that impacts all of us in terms of how we think about ourselves and other people and ultimately what we can do about it, but the first starting point I think for people who are listening and saying, what are they talking about? Education through reading books like Carol Anderson’s excellent book, White Rage, and certainly I would advocate for my own.
Jen: 10:30 Of course, yeah.

Dr. Tatum: 10:31

I think it can be a good place to start. Once we have an understanding of the ways in which racism is operating, we can begin to think about how we can use our own individual spheres of influence, whether that’s in our homes, in our neighborhoods, in our workplaces to begin to interrupt that cycle of racism.

Jen: 10:53

Okay, and so I’m starting to think about, okay, how do we make this move? So, I’m thinking about the philosopher, Dr. Shannon Sullivan and she’s written about White Guilt and Shame, which I think can sort of take the form of hand wringing a lot like we’re doing on this podcast if we were to look at it uncharitably I suppose, and I think that can lead to a toxic form of anger, but she says that these feelings aren’t actually very good at prompting us to act. So, I feel as though this education is a necessary step and then we might get angry about it and we feel the shame as well. And then we just kind of throw up our hands and say, well, what do we do about it? So I’m wondering if you see it in the same way or if these emotions are things that White people have to experience before they can accept all the things that haven’t worked so far and go on to find what does.

Dr. Tatum: 11:41

Well, I often talk about something I call the cycle of racism. So let me just say a word about that and if we think about racism as something that was operating in our society before any of us on this conversation were born, right? We didn’t start a fire so to speak, but it has been operating and we are all influenced by starting in our early years. We get misinformation, we’re exposed to stereotypes, we’re influenced in the socialization process by people we know, love and trust, our parents, our teachers, our friends, our neighbors, and we internalize a lot of that misinformation, the stereotypes about people different from ourselves as well as stereotypes about people like ourselves. When I say we, I’m talking about not just White people, but people of color as well. We all get misinformation. It’s like breathing smog. If you live anywhere, there are pollutants in the air, you breathe them in, not because you want to, but because it’s the only air that’s available.

Dr. Tatum: 12:45

And to the extent that we are all being exposed to it, we are not always conscious of it. In fact, a lot of the times we’re not conscious of it at all. We come to believe that misinformation is truth. We see difference as not different but equal, but difference as wrong or abnormal, and we passed that misinformation on to the next generation. That’s what I mean by that cycle. It continues. So sometimes we are, as I said, we’re not even aware of it, but when we become aware whether that’s by listening to a conversation like this one or having an experience where we witnessed something happening, we know to be wrong or we learned something in school or via documentary. However, the information comes to us, there are common emotions associated with it anger, guilt, confusion, alienation. These are common and they’re certainly common for White people, but they can also be part of the experience that people of color have as well.

Dr. Tatum: 13:45

And when you have that feeling of this is not right and feeling overwhelmed by it, one response can be, particularly for White people, I think who often are living in racial isolation, most White people in the United States live in largely White communities and go to school in largely White settings and have a pretty homogeneous social network. And if that describes someone and then they’re exposed to information that they didn’t have before or have a heightened awareness, confusion is common, guilt can be a feeling, anger can be a feeling, and sometimes the desire is to just not have those uncomfortable feelings. If I didn’t notice, if you didn’t bring it up to me, if I didn’t listen to this program, I wouldn’t have to think about it and there’s a tendency to want to just tune the information out. But for some people the impulse will lead to action. I want to do something about it. I want to take action, but I don’t know where to start, which brings us back to your earlier question and connecting with other people who are having a similar experience who also want to work against racism, who also want to speak up, can be one way to move forward, to find like-minded others with which you can connect and do some problem solving together.
Jen: 15:06 Kim, I’m wondering, I think you used Dr. Tatum’s book as a teaching tool in some of your classes. Do you see the students in your classes going through these kinds of stages?

Kim: 15:15

I do. Obviously, the students come at very different points in the process, so speaking of my White students specifically, some of them are at the point where they’re sort of familiar with the problems associated with racism and now looking for things to do to be active, but I also get a lot of students who are still in that anger denial, discomfort stage where what they’re really looking for is to become more comfortable if that means denying the problem and for some of them that’s where they’ll go and it’s sort of a process of trying to push them out of that.

Jen: 15:54

Okay. Yeah, and I think part of the we want to feel comfortable, I think it’s sort of a human nature in general to want to feel comfortable....]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/talkingaboutrace]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=3738</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c00e4908-648e-4bd6-96ac-885df0a8316d/beverly-daniel-tatum-and-dr-kim-rybackifinal.mp3" length="71857548" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We’ve laid a lot of groundwork on topics related to race by now: we learned about White https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege/ (privilege in parenting), and https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege/ (white privilege in schools), and even https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports/ (how parents can use sports to give their children advantages in school and in life).
Today my listener Dr. Kim Rybacki and I interview a giant in the field: Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum, author of the now-classic book (recently released in a 20th anniversary edition!) https://www.amazon.com/Black-Kids-Sitting-Together-Cafeteria/dp/0465083617 (Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria: And Other Conversations About Race).
We begin by assessing what is White parents’ responsibility to help dismantle structural racism, and then learn how to discuss race and racism with our children.  And in the next episode in this series I’ll have some really in-depth resources to support you in having these conversations with your own children.
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And why do sports in the first place?  Granted there are some physical benefits, but don’t we also hope that our children will learn some kind of lessons about persistence and team work that will stand them in good stead in the future?

In this interview with Dr. Hilary Levy Friedman we discuss her book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Win-Raising-Children-Competitive/dp/0520276760">Playing to Win: Raising Children in a Competitive Culture</a>, the advantages that sports can confer on children (which might not be the ones you expect!), as well as what children themselves think about these issues.
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Jen: 01:23

Hello and welcome to today's episode of Your Parenting Mojo podcast, and today's episode actually comes to us courtesy of a question from my husband who said “You should really do an episode on the benefits of sports for children.” And I said, sure and I said about researching it and I actually stumbled on Dr. Hilary Levey Friedman’s book Playing to Win: Raising Children in a Competitive Culture, and I really got more than I bargained for with that book. Dr. Friedman has studied not just the advantages and drawbacks associated with participation in sport as an activity, but also much broader sociological issues like how participation in sports helped children to increase what she calls Competitive Kid Capital and can actually impact the child's academic and lifelong success. So, Dr. Friedman received her Bachelor's Degree from Harvard and Master’s in Philosophy from the University of Cambridge and a Ph.D. in Sociology from Princeton University. She's currently a Visiting Assistant Professor of Education at Brown University and is the mother of a preschooler and a first grader. Welcome Dr. Friedman.

Dr. Friedman: 02:24

Thanks for having me.

Jen: 02:25

You're right there in the thick of it with us.

Dr. Friedman: 02:27

Yes.

Jen: 02:29

So, I want to kind of start at the beginning or what seems like the beginning to me here because decades ago it seems as though it was far more common for children to engage in really unstructured outdoor playtime rather than organized sports. I'm curious as to your thoughts on what has shifted here and what do you think children are missing out by not having as much of this unstructured outdoor play?

Dr. Friedman: 02:51

Well, it depends what time we're talking about. I mean if we’re talking about 200 years ago, I mean kids were working in the fields and 50 years after that, they were working in factories. So about a hundred years ago, 1918, we're seeing the formation of kids' athletic leagues in particular and also some other organized activities, but it's really more of like a popular myth or a misconception that kids use to spend all this time playing and having free time. The 1950s, which is that time we sort of pulled up is this Utopian time of kids playing in the streets and playing stickball and baseball and all of that is more the anomaly rather than the norm. So, today it is absolutely true that kids spend so much more time, especially, it depends on what age exactly we're talking about, but they spend a lot of time in organized play, not just in organized sports, but we just have to think about the ways in which that took a different shape historically in American childhood.

Jen: 03:56

Yeah. Yeah. So, it's less that they were always able to engage in this unstructured play and whether that was sort of a phenomenon of its time just like the structured play as a phenomenon of its time today.

Dr. Friedman: 04:07

Yes.

Jen: 04:08

Do you think there are unique benefits associated with that unstructured time that maybe children are not able to realize today through the structured play that happens?

Dr. Friedman: 04:17

Again, I think it depends on the age group we're talking about, so I'll limit it to elementary school aged kids just because that's the age group that Playing to Win focuses upon. So, I think certainly kids are working out all kinds of ideas, both intellectual but also social and moral when they play together and come up with their own games. Now, I don't think that having organized play is mutually exclusive to that either. So, I'll just give you one example in particular, part of Playing to Win is also about chess, not just about sports. And so I remember being at a chess summer camp for a few weeks and observing there and meeting families and the kids would play chess and then there'd be a recess time and then they'd play a little bit more chess and then have lunch and then have like a much longer period of recess and go out to a playground. And they came up with all these games that they invented on the playground and with pool noodles even though there wasn't a pool nearby and they had rules. It was very elaborate. So yes, they were spending time unstructured play as well, but they also had this space to be creative, workout rules, work together. So, I think it is possible for both of those things to coexist and both of those things are important for kids as well.

Jen: 05:35

Oh, that's fascinating. In reading your book, I sort of had the impression that the kids were sort of locked up in a conference hall for 10 hours at a stretch playing chess.

Dr. Friedman: 05:44

Well, sometimes at the tournaments it feels much more like that. But that's again not like the everyday experience of doing this.

Jen: 05:53

Yeah. Okay. All right, so I'm curious because I think that this is where most of our minds go and certainly my husband's mind was going when he asked the question, what are some of the more immediate benefits for children participating in organized sporting activities?

Dr. Friedman: 06:08

So, immediately obviously there is the physical fitness aspect, there's also the teamwork and those are things that you can get by just playing at school or playing recreationally. I think when you up it to the more competitive experience, that's when other lessons kick in as well. So, there's pretty much if you have to think about it, but there are very few sporting experiences where there's not some element of a time limit or some sense of time and rules you have to adhere to. So again, you can get that somewhat from doing it recreationally, but when you're doing it competitively and by that I mean it's organized, adults are running it and records are kept, then you get something much different out of that experience. Performing under pressure for example.

Jen: 06:54

Yeah. Okay. So, we're not necessarily talking about elite levels of participation. This is your kid's little league is the same because adults are running it, they are providing the timekeeping and the score keeping and so the children are participating under some time pressure.

Dr. Friedman: 07:10

You’re exactly correct. Yeah, I mean I think to be more specific, what I'm talking about here, when I say competitive is a league where you have to try out or not everybody is guaranteed a spot and that sort of thing. So most little league is, I would consider recreational, but if there's an all-star league or any of these what we call in the US travel teams that kids are not elite, they might have some dreams of becoming elite someday, but they certainly are not elite at this moment.

Jen: 07:37

Right. Okay. So, there are a number of other sort of health benefits as well that I was reading about things like health and bone density, lower rates of obesity and cardiovascular disease and diabetes and these kinds of things as well. Do you see those as important benefits associated with a lot of different kinds of sporting activities as well as with unstructured playtime?

Dr. Friedman: 07:59

Definitely. But there's a caveat there which is that when anything becomes too competitive, there's a health risk too. So we see a lot in increasing number of youth sports injuries. I mean obviously concussions are the most well-known example at this point in time, but at other moments there's been concerns about different joints, elbows, knees, increasing rates of girls who have particular types of knee injuries. We're seeing more and more overused injuries because kids are specializing at younger ages and so yes, there are these positive benefits and then you get to this inflection point and you're like, wait, there might actually be some bad physical things that go along with that.

Jen: 08:38

Yeah, and this is just a hypothesis here that I'm generating on the fly, but I'm wondering if this recreational level of sport is actually better for a child's health than specializing and maybe I've heard of people who are very good at sports will say, oh yeah, I played three different sports until I was 12 and then I specialized and maybe that that general level of fitness actually serves them better than early specialization. Are you aware of any research on that?

Dr. Friedman: 09:01

Yes, there's definitely a lot of anecdotal evidence by those who are professional like you mentioned, like Tom Brady famously says, he played all kinds of sports until he was much older and so there's this cross training idea. You're not just working the same muscle or muscle groups over and over again. So, you're developing other types of skills too. So, let's say you were really into football, but if you play soccer too, then you're developing the foot-eye coordination in addition to the hand-eye coordination. So, that's definitely a big thing and there's been a lot of research by those who focus on Sports Medicine and Pediatric Sports Medicine that thinks that this is quite...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Individual sports or competitive?  Recreational or organized?  Everyone gets a trophy or just the winners?

And why do sports in the first place?  Granted there are some physical benefits, but don’t we also hope that our children will learn some kind of lessons about persistence and team work that will stand them in good stead in the future?

In this interview with Dr. Hilary Levy Friedman we discuss her book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Win-Raising-Children-Competitive/dp/0520276760">Playing to Win: Raising Children in a Competitive Culture</a>, the advantages that sports can confer on children (which might not be the ones you expect!), as well as what children themselves think about these issues.
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Jen: 01:23

Hello and welcome to today's episode of Your Parenting Mojo podcast, and today's episode actually comes to us courtesy of a question from my husband who said “You should really do an episode on the benefits of sports for children.” And I said, sure and I said about researching it and I actually stumbled on Dr. Hilary Levey Friedman’s book Playing to Win: Raising Children in a Competitive Culture, and I really got more than I bargained for with that book. Dr. Friedman has studied not just the advantages and drawbacks associated with participation in sport as an activity, but also much broader sociological issues like how participation in sports helped children to increase what she calls Competitive Kid Capital and can actually impact the child's academic and lifelong success. So, Dr. Friedman received her Bachelor's Degree from Harvard and Master’s in Philosophy from the University of Cambridge and a Ph.D. in Sociology from Princeton University. She's currently a Visiting Assistant Professor of Education at Brown University and is the mother of a preschooler and a first grader. Welcome Dr. Friedman.

Dr. Friedman: 02:24

Thanks for having me.

Jen: 02:25

You're right there in the thick of it with us.

Dr. Friedman: 02:27

Yes.

Jen: 02:29

So, I want to kind of start at the beginning or what seems like the beginning to me here because decades ago it seems as though it was far more common for children to engage in really unstructured outdoor playtime rather than organized sports. I'm curious as to your thoughts on what has shifted here and what do you think children are missing out by not having as much of this unstructured outdoor play?

Dr. Friedman: 02:51

Well, it depends what time we're talking about. I mean if we’re talking about 200 years ago, I mean kids were working in the fields and 50 years after that, they were working in factories. So about a hundred years ago, 1918, we're seeing the formation of kids' athletic leagues in particular and also some other organized activities, but it's really more of like a popular myth or a misconception that kids use to spend all this time playing and having free time. The 1950s, which is that time we sort of pulled up is this Utopian time of kids playing in the streets and playing stickball and baseball and all of that is more the anomaly rather than the norm. So, today it is absolutely true that kids spend so much more time, especially, it depends on what age exactly we're talking about, but they spend a lot of time in organized play, not just in organized sports, but we just have to think about the ways in which that took a different shape historically in American childhood.

Jen: 03:56

Yeah. Yeah. So, it's less that they were always able to engage in this unstructured play and whether that was sort of a phenomenon of its time just like the structured play as a phenomenon of its time today.

Dr. Friedman: 04:07

Yes.

Jen: 04:08

Do you think there are unique benefits associated with that unstructured time that maybe children are not able to realize today through the structured play that happens?

Dr. Friedman: 04:17

Again, I think it depends on the age group we're talking about, so I'll limit it to elementary school aged kids just because that's the age group that Playing to Win focuses upon. So, I think certainly kids are working out all kinds of ideas, both intellectual but also social and moral when they play together and come up with their own games. Now, I don't think that having organized play is mutually exclusive to that either. So, I'll just give you one example in particular, part of Playing to Win is also about chess, not just about sports. And so I remember being at a chess summer camp for a few weeks and observing there and meeting families and the kids would play chess and then there'd be a recess time and then they'd play a little bit more chess and then have lunch and then have like a much longer period of recess and go out to a playground. And they came up with all these games that they invented on the playground and with pool noodles even though there wasn't a pool nearby and they had rules. It was very elaborate. So yes, they were spending time unstructured play as well, but they also had this space to be creative, workout rules, work together. So, I think it is possible for both of those things to coexist and both of those things are important for kids as well.

Jen: 05:35

Oh, that's fascinating. In reading your book, I sort of had the impression that the kids were sort of locked up in a conference hall for 10 hours at a stretch playing chess.

Dr. Friedman: 05:44

Well, sometimes at the tournaments it feels much more like that. But that's again not like the everyday experience of doing this.

Jen: 05:53

Yeah. Okay. All right, so I'm curious because I think that this is where most of our minds go and certainly my husband's mind was going when he asked the question, what are some of the more immediate benefits for children participating in organized sporting activities?

Dr. Friedman: 06:08

So, immediately obviously there is the physical fitness aspect, there's also the teamwork and those are things that you can get by just playing at school or playing recreationally. I think when you up it to the more competitive experience, that's when other lessons kick in as well. So, there's pretty much if you have to think about it, but there are very few sporting experiences where there's not some element of a time limit or some sense of time and rules you have to adhere to. So again, you can get that somewhat from doing it recreationally, but when you're doing it competitively and by that I mean it's organized, adults are running it and records are kept, then you get something much different out of that experience. Performing under pressure for example.

Jen: 06:54

Yeah. Okay. So, we're not necessarily talking about elite levels of participation. This is your kid's little league is the same because adults are running it, they are providing the timekeeping and the score keeping and so the children are participating under some time pressure.

Dr. Friedman: 07:10

You’re exactly correct. Yeah, I mean I think to be more specific, what I'm talking about here, when I say competitive is a league where you have to try out or not everybody is guaranteed a spot and that sort of thing. So most little league is, I would consider recreational, but if there's an all-star league or any of these what we call in the US travel teams that kids are not elite, they might have some dreams of becoming elite someday, but they certainly are not elite at this moment.

Jen: 07:37

Right. Okay. So, there are a number of other sort of health benefits as well that I was reading about things like health and bone density, lower rates of obesity and cardiovascular disease and diabetes and these kinds of things as well. Do you see those as important benefits associated with a lot of different kinds of sporting activities as well as with unstructured playtime?

Dr. Friedman: 07:59

Definitely. But there's a caveat there which is that when anything becomes too competitive, there's a health risk too. So we see a lot in increasing number of youth sports injuries. I mean obviously concussions are the most well-known example at this point in time, but at other moments there's been concerns about different joints, elbows, knees, increasing rates of girls who have particular types of knee injuries. We're seeing more and more overused injuries because kids are specializing at younger ages and so yes, there are these positive benefits and then you get to this inflection point and you're like, wait, there might actually be some bad physical things that go along with that.

Jen: 08:38

Yeah, and this is just a hypothesis here that I'm generating on the fly, but I'm wondering if this recreational level of sport is actually better for a child's health than specializing and maybe I've heard of people who are very good at sports will say, oh yeah, I played three different sports until I was 12 and then I specialized and maybe that that general level of fitness actually serves them better than early specialization. Are you aware of any research on that?

Dr. Friedman: 09:01

Yes, there's definitely a lot of anecdotal evidence by those who are professional like you mentioned, like Tom Brady famously says, he played all kinds of sports until he was much older and so there's this cross training idea. You're not just working the same muscle or muscle groups over and over again. So, you're developing other types of skills too. So, let's say you were really into football, but if you play soccer too, then you're developing the foot-eye coordination in addition to the hand-eye coordination. So, that's definitely a big thing and there's been a lot of research by those who focus on Sports Medicine and Pediatric Sports Medicine that thinks that this is quite important or again from the opposite side, like the increasing number of overuse injuries that are being seen, you can assume that if you're not just using the same muscles over and over again, that there would be a different outcome.

Jen: 09:55

Okay. So, there are some really beneficial aspects of sports for children. There are also some potential issues with doing a certain kind of sport too much. So, setting aside the physical thing from it, which I think is where most of us go immediately when we think about sports. Let's talk about some of the psychological and sociological issues. So, the first one that comes to mind for me is what is up with the participation trophies for every child. I think this is more of an American phenomenon than one that seen in other countries and I'm wondering firstly if that's the case and secondly would it not be better for a child to just learn how to be disappointed that they didn't always win something?

Dr. Friedman: 10:36

Yeah. So, participation trophies are a major issue and this notion that everybody deserves something and on the one hand you can see that a child did a whole season, put in the work, kept their commitment and so it's nice to have a celebration, right? So that could be a pizza party and it doesn't have to involve an actual sort of tacky gold trophy because most of them are actually not very attractive and ended up being dust gatherers as opposed to a team goes to a tournament and actually wins first place and that has a lot more meaning. I've interviewed kids about this and they're under no illusions that a participation trophy means like you won first place in a tournament. What I will say about participation trophies and from when I interviewed the kids for playing to win, the first one they got meant something to them and continue to mean something.

Dr. Friedman: 11:34

But the subsequent ones didn't mean much at all. So, it does appear to be more of an American phenomenon. We certainly see it in other places as well as some aspects of American culture have spread to other countries. But if everybody gets a trophy, like what does it mean? The Incredibles 2 just came out this year and is now just recently released to Blu-ray and DVD and all of that. But the original Incredibles, they have a line in there that says if everybody is special, then nobody is special. So I think that there's a perception that that's what the participation trophies mean for a lot of families. Then also I had a lot of parents say like, wow, I paid a lot of money for like that dollar and thirty cent trophy, it’s so cheap, but I actually paid a lot of money for it.

Dr. Friedman: 12:23

So, people are not dumb, kids are not dumb and they understand that that doesn't mean that you're a champion, let's say.

Jen: 12:33

So, why do we keep doing it then if the kids see through it and the parents see through it and I think you called it something like parceling out the honor and making every age group at certain subset and within that age group, they're best of this and best of that. And so why do we keep doing this if everybody sees through it and realizes that it's not really real?

Dr. Friedman: 12:52

Yeah. So the carving up of honor is a little bit different because at least that is based on some sort of achievement. So, I call it the carving up of honor because now we give prizes, the first place to eight year olds, born in the month of November practice only three hours a week.

Dr. Friedman: 13:10

So, there are very specific groups and this is born out of this desire, let's say to say my child is a champion, my child's the national champion of x, y, or z. Where does that come from? That comes from this trend toward quantification that we've seen, the ability to measure achievement and the extracurricular space that then is highly linked to the college admissions process and so sure these things aren't happening until you're 18, but there's this trickle-down effect, particularly in the upper middle class community that we start seeing at younger and younger ages.

Jen: 13:49

Okay. So, staying with the idea of just for a minute longer about the idea of becoming elite athletes and do parents really start their children playing sports thinking my kid's going to be the next Mia Hamm, my kid's going to be the next Beckham because it seems though that's not very likely to happen.

Dr. Friedman: 14:07

No. I mean I think that there has been a push and people are becoming more sophisticated in terms of the notion that, first of all being a professional athlete, those odds are super, super, super slim making it to the Olympics in most fields. Odds are super, super slim but people have thought for a while, oh, but I'll get a college scholarship and that will make it worth it. But in fact like the number of NCAA athletes who have a scholarship is incredibly small because it's only Division I schools and then only a certain number of Division I schools and then even within that group, the number of students that got a “full ride” to be a college athlete as a percentage of all collegiate athletes, let alone all high school athletes is extremely small. It's like 4%.

Dr. Friedman: 14:59

So, I think there was this idea for a long time and I think there's some truth to participating in athletics helps get you a spot at certain types of institutions. So, Division III Liberal Arts Schools where the student body is much smaller, but they're still filling a huge number of sports teams and they have to have students to fill those roster slots. Sure, like athletics can give you a boost. There's other ways too, if you play a certain type of sport, let's say Squash or you do Crew that's going to send a particular signal about your family's class background. So, there are all kinds of ways in which sports can boost your ability to get into college. But it's not necessarily gonna get you dollars to go to college. In fact, many of these places there are no college scholarship, so you're paying money to go there. But it's expanding the world of possibilities for some students in terms of getting into more selective schools.

Jen: 15:59

Okay. So, when you ask parents what are their goals for enrolling their young children in sports, what are they telling you?

Dr. Friedman: 16:09

Yeah, so I mean, I think there are, and I definitely met parents who are thinking more explicitly about the college process, but more than anything, most parents want to help their child find what they love, what they're passionate about. I know that some people don't like this word passion, but to find an activity or a setting that gives a child an identity, a social group, all of those things where they're going to be able to excel and find themselves and feel like they belong and so parents, especially parents of elementary school age kids are exposing their kids to a lot of different activities and a lot of different sporting activities and kind of seeing what sticks.

Jen: 16:54

Okay. So parents, their stated goals, I think you realized they’re a little bit different than what might be some of their unstated goals. You've touched on this a little bit with the term Competitive Kid Capital, so can you tell us a little bit about what are some of these unstated reasons that are sort of underlying the issues that parents will actually talk about?

Dr. Friedman: 17:18

Yeah. So, first of all I mentioned the upper middle class, most of the families that I met would be considered middle class and many of them upper middle class. And so these are families that are doing well financially, but aren't going to have necessarily a trust fund to pass onto their kids, right? So they're there by dint of hard work, motivation, advanced degrees, like an MD, a JD and MBA, so any of these kind of professional degrees. And you can't pass that degree onto your kids, right? So, I always actually used to use the example of Donald Trump, like his company was a public company and you can't just pass that onto your kids, right? And so they have to go through some…

Jen: 18:01

It turns out maybe you can…

Dr. Friedman: 18:03

Yeah, maybe you can, but you have go through some credentialing process to do that. And so what you can pass onto your kids if you're a doctor is learning how to manage a busy schedule and how to be competitive, how to lose and bounce back and keep fighting. And so these competitive activities and competitive sports in particular, and you could argue for both boys and girls, but there's a big impact on women as well here is a way to do that. And it costs money to do these activities, right? Like they're not free. They're very class based to do these travel sports in particular and so this is like a gate-keeping way of teaching kids these skills that hopefully will have these much longer term outcomes.

Jen: 18:53

Okay. So, you've mentioned college as a potential outcome and the fact that there could be some money there but maybe not. I'm curious about even beyond college, what connections do you see between longer term career success and success in sports as a child?

Dr. Friedman: 19:09

Well, so absolutely those who play college sports have different labor market outcomes. There's an interesting book called Privilege by another sociologist, Lauren Rivera that looks at the hiring practices of major law firms, management consultants, investment banks, sorts of high prestige occupations and they still care about like did you play, were you on a team in college, right? Because that shows your dedication, your like sort of willing to put yourself through the ringer and be in like mental and physical discomfort and like work through that. And that's pretty powerful, right? And those are like high income occupations and so we see it through college, through graduate school and then into the labor market. So, I think that there is a lot there. Even parents I...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/sports]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=3651</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1e08baf0-b597-4fc5-ab08-4021da2fb195/sportsfinal.mp3" length="54512765" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Individual sports or competitive?  Recreational or organized?  Everyone gets a trophy or just the winners?
And why do sports in the first place?  Granted there are some physical benefits, but don’t we also hope that our children will learn some kind of lessons about persistence and team work that will stand them in good stead in the future?
In this interview with Dr. Hilary Levy Friedman we discuss her book https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Win-Raising-Children-Competitive/dp/0520276760 (Playing to Win: Raising Children in a Competitive Culture), the advantages that sports can confer on children (which might not be the ones you expect!), as well as what children themselves think about these issues.
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<hr />

Public schools are open to all children, no matter what their race, so where’s the privilege in schools?

In this episode we’ll learn more about how even (and perhaps especially) well-meaning liberal White parents perpetuate inequalities in schools which disadvantage children from non-dominant cultures.

We’ll cover the way that purportedly ‘scientific’ standardized tests perpetuate inequality, ‘second generation segregation’ (which is still alive and well in schools), how White parents who want the best for their children end up disadvantaging others – and what are some steps we can take to move forward.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Allison Roda's book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3U30TqC">Inequality in gifted and talented programs: Parental choices about status, school opportunity, and second-generation segregation</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Antonio, A., Chang, M.J., Hakuta, K., Kenny, D.A., Levin, S., &amp; Milem, J.F. (2004). Effects of racial diversity on complex thinking in college students. Psychological Science 15(8), 507-510. DOI 10.1111/j.0956-7976.2004.00710.x

<hr />

Bifulco, R., Cobb, C., &amp; Bel, C. (2009). Can interdistrict choice boost student achievement? The case of Connecticut’s interdistrict magnet school program. Educational Evaluation and Policy Analysis 31(4), 323-345.

<hr />

Brantlinger, E., Majd-Jabbari, M., &amp; Guskin, S.L. (1996). Self-interest and liberal educational discourse: How ideology works for middle-class mothers. American Educational Research Journal 33(3), 571-597.

<hr />

Conway-Turner, J. (2016). Does diversity matter? The impact of school racial composition on the academic achievement of elementary school students in an ethnically diverse low-income sample (Doctoral dissertation). Retrieved from http://mars.gmu.edu/jspui/bitstream/handle/1920/10405/ConwayTurner_gmu_0883E_11159.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y

<hr />

Gamoran, A., Barfels, S., &amp; Collares, A.C. (2016). Does racial isolation in school lead to long-term disadvantages? Labor market consequences of high school racial composition. American Journal of Sociology 121(4), 1116-1167.

<hr />

Holme, J.J. (2002). Buying homes, buying schools: School choice and the social construction of school quality. Harvard Educational Review 72(2), 177-205.

<hr />

Knoester, M., &amp; Au, W. (2014). Standardized testing and school segregation: Like tinder for fire? Race Ethnicity and Education 20(1), 1-14.

<hr />

Mickelson, R.A. (2001). Subverting Swann: First- and second-generation segregation in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg schools. American Educational Research Journal 38(2), 215-252

<hr />

National Center for Education Statistics (2017) National Assessment of Educational Progress (Reading and Math results). Retrieved from https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/

<hr />

Nava, J. (2017, August 28). Do parents value school diversity? The PDK poll offers insights. Learning First Alliance. Retrieved from https://learningfirst.org/blog/parents-attitudes-toward-school-diversity

<hr />

Posey-Maddox, L. (2014). When middle-class parents choose urban schools: Class, race, and the challenge of equity in public education. Chicago, IL: The University of Chicago Press.

<hr />

Roda, A. (2018). School choice and the politics of parenthood: Exploring parent mobilization as a catalyst for the common good. Peabody Journal of Education 1-20.

<hr />

Roda, A. (2017). Parenting in the age of high-stakes testing: Gifted and talented admissions and the meaning of parenthood. Teachers College Record 119, 1-53.

<hr />

Roda, A. (2015). Inequality in gifted and talented programs: Parental choices about status, school opportunity, and second-generation segregation. New York, NY: Palgrave Macmillan.

<hr />

Roda, A., &amp; Wells, A.S. (2013). School choice policies and racial segregation: Where White parents’ good intentions and privilege collide. American Journal of Education 119)2), 261-293.

<hr />

Sattin-Bajaj, C., &amp; Roda, A. (2018). Opportunity hoarding in school choice contexts: The role of policy design in promoting middle-class parents’ exclusionary behaviors. Educational Policy 1-44.

<hr />

Smith, J.A. (2015, February 2). As parents get more choice, S.F. schools resegregate. San Francisco Public Press. Retrieved from https://sfpublicpress.org/news/2015-02/as-parents-get-more-choice-sf-schools-resegregate

<hr />

Trachtenberg, P., Roda, A., &amp; Coughlan, R. (2016, December 12). Remedying school segregation: How New Jersey’s Morris School District chose to make diversity work. The Century Foundation. Retrieved from https://tcf.org/content/report/remedying-school-segregation/

<hr />

Watson, J. (2018, November 26). Cindy Hyde-Smith’s experience is not an outlier: School segregation in America is still a troubling fact today. NBC News. Retrieved from https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/cindy-hyde-smith-s-experience-not-outlier-school-segregation-america-n940361

<hr />

Wells, A.S., Fox, L., &amp; Cordodva-Cobo, D. (2016, February 9). How racially diverse schools and classrooms can benefit all students. The Century Foundation. Retrieved from http://apps.tcf.org/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students

<hr />

Williams, J. (2016, April 6). Why some Black leaders aren’t down with opting out of standardized testing. Take Part. Retrieved from http://www.takepart.com/article/2016/04/06/black-leaders-not-down-with-opt-out-standardized-testing]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

<hr />

Public schools are open to all children, no matter what their race, so where’s the privilege in schools?

In this episode we’ll learn more about how even (and perhaps especially) well-meaning liberal White parents perpetuate inequalities in schools which disadvantage children from non-dominant cultures.

We’ll cover the way that purportedly ‘scientific’ standardized tests perpetuate inequality, ‘second generation segregation’ (which is still alive and well in schools), how White parents who want the best for their children end up disadvantaging others – and what are some steps we can take to move forward.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Allison Roda's book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3U30TqC">Inequality in gifted and talented programs: Parental choices about status, school opportunity, and second-generation segregation</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Antonio, A., Chang, M.J., Hakuta, K., Kenny, D.A., Levin, S., &amp; Milem, J.F. (2004). Effects of racial diversity on complex thinking in college students. Psychological Science 15(8), 507-510. DOI 10.1111/j.0956-7976.2004.00710.x

<hr />

Bifulco, R., Cobb, C., &amp; Bel, C. (2009). Can interdistrict choice boost student achievement? The case of Connecticut’s interdistrict magnet school program. Educational Evaluation and Policy Analysis 31(4), 323-345.

<hr />

Brantlinger, E., Majd-Jabbari, M., &amp; Guskin, S.L. (1996). Self-interest and liberal educational discourse: How ideology works for middle-class mothers. American Educational Research Journal 33(3), 571-597.

<hr />

Conway-Turner, J. (2016). Does diversity matter? The impact of school racial composition on the academic achievement of elementary school students in an ethnically diverse low-income sample (Doctoral dissertation). Retrieved from http://mars.gmu.edu/jspui/bitstream/handle/1920/10405/ConwayTurner_gmu_0883E_11159.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y

<hr />

Gamoran, A., Barfels, S., &amp; Collares, A.C. (2016). Does racial isolation in school lead to long-term disadvantages? Labor market consequences of high school racial composition. American Journal of Sociology 121(4), 1116-1167.

<hr />

Holme, J.J. (2002). Buying homes, buying schools: School choice and the social construction of school quality. Harvard Educational Review 72(2), 177-205.

<hr />

Knoester, M., &amp; Au, W. (2014). Standardized testing and school segregation: Like tinder for fire? Race Ethnicity and Education 20(1), 1-14.

<hr />

Mickelson, R.A. (2001). Subverting Swann: First- and second-generation segregation in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg schools. American Educational Research Journal 38(2), 215-252

<hr />

National Center for Education Statistics (2017) National Assessment of Educational Progress (Reading and Math results). Retrieved from https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/

<hr />

Nava, J. (2017, August 28). Do parents value school diversity? The PDK poll offers insights. Learning First Alliance. Retrieved from https://learningfirst.org/blog/parents-attitudes-toward-school-diversity

<hr />

Posey-Maddox, L. (2014). When middle-class parents choose urban schools: Class, race, and the challenge of equity in public education. Chicago, IL: The University of Chicago Press.

<hr />

Roda, A. (2018). School choice and the politics of parenthood: Exploring parent mobilization as a catalyst for the common good. Peabody Journal of Education 1-20.

<hr />

Roda, A. (2017). Parenting in the age of high-stakes testing: Gifted and talented admissions and the meaning of parenthood. Teachers College Record 119, 1-53.

<hr />

Roda, A. (2015). Inequality in gifted and talented programs: Parental choices about status, school opportunity, and second-generation segregation. New York, NY: Palgrave Macmillan.

<hr />

Roda, A., &amp; Wells, A.S. (2013). School choice policies and racial segregation: Where White parents’ good intentions and privilege collide. American Journal of Education 119)2), 261-293.

<hr />

Sattin-Bajaj, C., &amp; Roda, A. (2018). Opportunity hoarding in school choice contexts: The role of policy design in promoting middle-class parents’ exclusionary behaviors. Educational Policy 1-44.

<hr />

Smith, J.A. (2015, February 2). As parents get more choice, S.F. schools resegregate. San Francisco Public Press. Retrieved from https://sfpublicpress.org/news/2015-02/as-parents-get-more-choice-sf-schools-resegregate

<hr />

Trachtenberg, P., Roda, A., &amp; Coughlan, R. (2016, December 12). Remedying school segregation: How New Jersey’s Morris School District chose to make diversity work. The Century Foundation. Retrieved from https://tcf.org/content/report/remedying-school-segregation/

<hr />

Watson, J. (2018, November 26). Cindy Hyde-Smith’s experience is not an outlier: School segregation in America is still a troubling fact today. NBC News. Retrieved from https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/cindy-hyde-smith-s-experience-not-outlier-school-segregation-america-n940361

<hr />

Wells, A.S., Fox, L., &amp; Cordodva-Cobo, D. (2016, February 9). How racially diverse schools and classrooms can benefit all students. The Century Foundation. Retrieved from http://apps.tcf.org/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students

<hr />

Williams, J. (2016, April 6). Why some Black leaders aren’t down with opting out of standardized testing. Take Part. Retrieved from http://www.takepart.com/article/2016/04/06/black-leaders-not-down-with-opt-out-standardized-testing]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolprivilege]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=3544</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6442fb05-8141-41fe-b0f0-b2d1c8c2b2ba/school-privilegefinal.mp3" length="58365304" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Public schools are open to all children, no matter what their race, so where’s the privilege in schools?
In this episode we’ll learn more about how even (and perhaps especially) well-meaning liberal White parents perpetuate inequalities in schools which disadvantage children from non-dominant cultures.
We’ll cover the way that purportedly ‘scientific’ standardized tests perpetuate inequality, ‘second generation segregation’ (which is still alive and well in schools), how White parents who want the best for their children end up disadvantaging others – and what are some steps we can take to move forward.
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It’s a question that comes up every once in a while among parents who use the Resources for Infant Educarers (RIE) approach to raising their children, and then they all (virtually) look at each other kind of uneasily because no study has ever shown that children raised using RIE methods have any better outcomes than children who aren’t.

Given how much I focus on scientific research, you would think that I would have determined my overall approach to parenting through extensive reading of the literature – but actually I discovered RIE even before I started looking at research and I latched onto it because parenting in a respectful way just felt right. I knew that love was necessary but not the only tool I would to discipline (used in its original sense, meaning “to teach”) my daughter about how to live in our family. I knew immediately that <em>respect</em> was the tool I sought.

But it always niggled at me (and these other parents): Is RIE backed in any way by science? Naturally, I could find no expert who could speak to this. So I recruited the assistance of a fellow RIE-practicing parent to help us think through RIE’s basic principles, and whether (or not!) the research backs these up.

If you’re new to RIE, you might want to listen to this introductory episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">What is RIE</a> first, so you’ll have the background you need. I actually recorded this Science of RIE episode first so it does have a very brief introduction to RIE, but then I realized it really wasn’t sufficient so I recorded the extra episode.

Have questions about RIE? Want to continue the conversation? Come on over to the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/?ref=bookmarks" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group</a> and ask away, or join the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/notrienotwrong/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Toasted RIE</a> group which I help to moderate!

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<strong>References</strong>

Beatty, T., Stranger, C., &amp; Beatty, N. (1984). “Seeing infants” with new eyes. NAEYC (Series) #852. DVD.

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Bonawitz, E., Shafto, P., Gweon, H., Goodman, N.D., Spelke, E., &amp; Schultz, L. (2011). The double-edged sword of pedagogy: Instruction limits spontaneous exploration and discovery. Cognition 120(3), 322-330. Full article available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3369499/pdf/nihms378662.pdf

<hr />

Churchill, S.L., &amp; Stoneman, Z. (2004). Correlates of family routines in Head Start families. Early Childhood Research &amp; Practice 6(1). Full article available at: http://ecrp.uiuc.edu/v6n1/churchill.html

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Cohen, N.J., Muir, E., Lojkasek, M., Muir, R., Parker, C.J., Barwick, M., &amp; Brown, M. (1999) Watch, wait, and wonder: Testing the effectiveness of a new approach to mother-infant psychotherapy. Infant Mental Health Journal 20(4), 429-451.

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Cook, P.R. (2016). The pedagogy in the methodology of three early learning philosophies. In P.R. Cook (Ed.), Guide to early childhood education: Development – design – diversity (pp.23-50). Newcastle, U.K.: Cambridge Scholars Publishing.

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Fiese, B.H., Tomcho, T.J., Douglas, M., Josephs, K., Poltrock, S., &amp; Baker, T. (2002). A review of 50 years of research on naturally occurring family routines and rituals: Cause for celebration? Journal of Family Psychology 16(4), 381-390.

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Fiese, B.H., Foley, K.P., &amp; Spagnola, M. (2006). Routine and ritual elements in family mealtimes: Contexts for child well-being and family identity. New Directions for Child and Adolescent Development 111, 67-89.

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A. Gopnik, A.N. Meltzoff, &amp; P.K. Kuhl (1999). The scientist in the crib: Minds, brains and how children learn. New York: Harper Collins. Also published as How babies think. London: The Bodley Head.

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Koestner, R., Ryan, R.M., Bernieri, F., &amp; Holt, K. (1984). Setting limits on children’s behavior: the differential effects of controlling vs. informational styles on intrinsic motivation and creativity. Journal of Personality 52(3) 233-248

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Levin, D.E., &amp; Rosenquest, B. (2001). The increasing role of electronic toys in the lives of infants and toddlers: Should we be concerned? Contemporary Issues in Early Childhood 2(2), 242-247.

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Mooney, C.G. (2010). Theories of attachment: An introduction to Bowlby, Ainsworth, Gerber, Brazelton, Kennell &amp; Klaus. St. Paul, MN: Redleaf Press.

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Owen, S., &amp; Petire, S. (2006). “Observe more…do less’: The approaches of Magda Gerber to parent education. In L. Abbott &amp; A. Langston (Eds.), Parents matter: Supporting the birth to three matters framework (pp.127-137). Maidenhead, U.K.: McGraw Hill.

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Parpal, M., &amp; Maccoby, E. (1985) Maternal responsiveness and subsequent child compliance. Child Development 56, 1326-1334.

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Pikler, E. (1968). Some contributions to the study of the gross motor development of children. The Journal of Genetic Psychology 113, 27-39.

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Sahiner, N.C., &amp; Bal, M.D. (2015). The effects of three different distraction methods on pain and anxiety in children. Journal of Child Health Care 1-9.

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Smith, P.B., &amp; Pederson, D.R. (1988). Maternal sensitivity and patterns of infant-mother attachment. Child Development 59(4), 1097-1101.

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Sosa A.V. (2016). Association of the type of toy used during play with the quantity and quality of parent-infant communication. JAMA Pediatrics 170(2), 132-137.

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Sparks, L. (2001). Taking the “ouch” out of injections for children: Using distraction to decrease pain. The American Journal of Maternal/Child Nursing: 26(2), 72-78.

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Trawick-Smith, J., Wolff, J., Koschel, M., &amp; Vallarelli, J. (2014). Which toys promote high-quality play? Reflections on the five-year anniversary of the TIMPANI study. Young Children 69(20, 40-46.

<hr />

Wu, R., Gopnik, A., &amp; Richardson, D. (2010). Social cues support learning about objects from statistics in infancy. Proceedings of the Annual Meeting of the Cognitive Science Society 32, 1228-1233.

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&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“Is RIE backed by scientific research?”

It’s a question that comes up every once in a while among parents who use the Resources for Infant Educarers (RIE) approach to raising their children, and then they all (virtually) look at each other kind of uneasily because no study has ever shown that children raised using RIE methods have any better outcomes than children who aren’t.

Given how much I focus on scientific research, you would think that I would have determined my overall approach to parenting through extensive reading of the literature – but actually I discovered RIE even before I started looking at research and I latched onto it because parenting in a respectful way just felt right. I knew that love was necessary but not the only tool I would to discipline (used in its original sense, meaning “to teach”) my daughter about how to live in our family. I knew immediately that <em>respect</em> was the tool I sought.

But it always niggled at me (and these other parents): Is RIE backed in any way by science? Naturally, I could find no expert who could speak to this. So I recruited the assistance of a fellow RIE-practicing parent to help us think through RIE’s basic principles, and whether (or not!) the research backs these up.

If you’re new to RIE, you might want to listen to this introductory episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/whatisrie/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">What is RIE</a> first, so you’ll have the background you need. I actually recorded this Science of RIE episode first so it does have a very brief introduction to RIE, but then I realized it really wasn’t sufficient so I recorded the extra episode.

Have questions about RIE? Want to continue the conversation? Come on over to the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/?ref=bookmarks" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group</a> and ask away, or join the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/notrienotwrong/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Toasted RIE</a> group which I help to moderate!

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<strong>References</strong>

Beatty, T., Stranger, C., &amp; Beatty, N. (1984). “Seeing infants” with new eyes. NAEYC (Series) #852. DVD.

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Bonawitz, E., Shafto, P., Gweon, H., Goodman, N.D., Spelke, E., &amp; Schultz, L. (2011). The double-edged sword of pedagogy: Instruction limits spontaneous exploration and discovery. Cognition 120(3), 322-330. Full article available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3369499/pdf/nihms378662.pdf

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Churchill, S.L., &amp; Stoneman, Z. (2004). Correlates of family routines in Head Start families. Early Childhood Research &amp; Practice 6(1). Full article available at: http://ecrp.uiuc.edu/v6n1/churchill.html

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Cohen, N.J., Muir, E., Lojkasek, M., Muir, R., Parker, C.J., Barwick, M., &amp; Brown, M. (1999) Watch, wait, and wonder: Testing the effectiveness of a new approach to mother-infant psychotherapy. Infant Mental Health Journal 20(4), 429-451.

<hr />

Cook, P.R. (2016). The pedagogy in the methodology of three early learning philosophies. In P.R. Cook (Ed.), Guide to early childhood education: Development – design – diversity (pp.23-50). Newcastle, U.K.: Cambridge Scholars Publishing.

<hr />

Fiese, B.H., Tomcho, T.J., Douglas, M., Josephs, K., Poltrock, S., &amp; Baker, T. (2002). A review of 50 years of research on naturally occurring family routines and rituals: Cause for celebration? Journal of Family Psychology 16(4), 381-390.

<hr />

Fiese, B.H., Foley, K.P., &amp; Spagnola, M. (2006). Routine and ritual elements in family mealtimes: Contexts for child well-being and family identity. New Directions for Child and Adolescent Development 111, 67-89.

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A. Gopnik, A.N. Meltzoff, &amp; P.K. Kuhl (1999). The scientist in the crib: Minds, brains and how children learn. New York: Harper Collins. Also published as How babies think. London: The Bodley Head.

<hr />

Koestner, R., Ryan, R.M., Bernieri, F., &amp; Holt, K. (1984). Setting limits on children’s behavior: the differential effects of controlling vs. informational styles on intrinsic motivation and creativity. Journal of Personality 52(3) 233-248

<hr />

Levin, D.E., &amp; Rosenquest, B. (2001). The increasing role of electronic toys in the lives of infants and toddlers: Should we be concerned? Contemporary Issues in Early Childhood 2(2), 242-247.

<hr />

Mooney, C.G. (2010). Theories of attachment: An introduction to Bowlby, Ainsworth, Gerber, Brazelton, Kennell &amp; Klaus. St. Paul, MN: Redleaf Press.

<hr />

Owen, S., &amp; Petire, S. (2006). “Observe more…do less’: The approaches of Magda Gerber to parent education. In L. Abbott &amp; A. Langston (Eds.), Parents matter: Supporting the birth to three matters framework (pp.127-137). Maidenhead, U.K.: McGraw Hill.

<hr />

Parpal, M., &amp; Maccoby, E. (1985) Maternal responsiveness and subsequent child compliance. Child Development 56, 1326-1334.

<hr />

Pikler, E. (1968). Some contributions to the study of the gross motor development of children. The Journal of Genetic Psychology 113, 27-39.

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Sahiner, N.C., &amp; Bal, M.D. (2015). The effects of three different distraction methods on pain and anxiety in children. Journal of Child Health Care 1-9.

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Smith, P.B., &amp; Pederson, D.R. (1988). Maternal sensitivity and patterns of infant-mother attachment. Child Development 59(4), 1097-1101.

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Sosa A.V. (2016). Association of the type of toy used during play with the quantity and quality of parent-infant communication. JAMA Pediatrics 170(2), 132-137.

<hr />

Sparks, L. (2001). Taking the “ouch” out of injections for children: Using distraction to decrease pain. The American Journal of Maternal/Child Nursing: 26(2), 72-78.

<hr />

Trawick-Smith, J., Wolff, J., Koschel, M., &amp; Vallarelli, J. (2014). Which toys promote high-quality play? Reflections on the five-year anniversary of the TIMPANI study. Young Children 69(20, 40-46.

<hr />

Wu, R., Gopnik, A., &amp; Richardson, D. (2010). Social cues support learning about objects from statistics in infancy. Proceedings of the Annual Meeting of the Cognitive Science Society 32, 1228-1233.

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This episode launches a series of conversations on the intersection of race and parenting.  I spent a month wading around in the psychological literature on this topic and deciding how best to approach it, and eventually decided to split it into four topics.

Today we’ll dig into White privilege in parenting through a conversation with <a href="https://www.margarethagerman.com/">Dr. Margaret Hagerman</a> on her book <a href="https://amzn.to/2MyZXJC">White kids: Growing up with privilege in a racially divided America</a>.

For those of us who are White, White privilege can be an incredibly uncomfortable to discuss.  After all, we didn’t ask for this privilege – we were just born into a system where we have it.  But the reality is that we do have it, and many of the actions we take on a daily basis mean that we don’t just benefit from it but we actively take steps to perpetuate that advantage.  So in this episode we’ll learn how we can recognize that privilege in our lives and we’ll start to learn about some steps we can take to address it.

In upcoming episodes we’ll look at White privilege in schools, parents’ responsibility to work on dismantling systems of racial privilege, how to talk with children about race, and what children learn about race in school (and what you can do to supplement this).

I’m really excited to begin this conversation, but at the same time I want to acknowledge that while these episodes are based on a close reading of the literature, this is a massive subject and I’m not the expert here – I’m learning along with you.  If you think I’ve missed the mark, do let me know either in the comments or via the Contact page.  And if you’d like to participate in a series of conversations on this topic with other interested parents, do join us in the free <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group</a> – just search for #Whiteprivilege to find the thread.

You might also be interested to listen back to earlier related episodes:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/006-wait-is-my-toddler-racist/">Wait, is my toddler racist?</a> (Recorded back when I was still learning to distinguish between prejudice and racism!)

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialgroups/">How children form social groups</a>, which is critical to understanding how they develop prejudices in the first place.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Addo, F.R., Houle, J.N., &amp; Simon, D. (2016). Young, Black, and (still) in the red: Parental wealth, race, and student loan debt. Race and Social Problems 8(1), 64-76.Birkhead, T.R. (2017, April 3). The racialization of juvenile justice and the role of the defense attorney. Boston College Law Review 58(2), 379-461.

<hr />

Bonilla-Silva, E. (2018). Racism without racists: Color-blind racism and the persistence of racial inequality in America (5th Ed.). Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield.

<hr />

Brantlinger, E., Majd-Jabbari, M., &amp; Guskin, S.L. (1996). Self-interest and liberal educational discourse: How ideology works for middle-class mothers. American Educational Research Journal 33(3), 571-597.

<hr />

DiAngelo, R. (2011). White fragility. International Journal of Critical Pedagogy 3(3), 54-70. Full article available at <a href="https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116">https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116</a>

<hr />

Goyal, M.K., Kupperman, N., &amp; Cleary, S.D. (2015). Racial disparities in pain management of children with appendicitis in emergency departments. JAMA Pediatrics 169(11), 996-1002.

<hr />

Marrast, L., Himmelstein, D.U., &amp; Woolhandler, D. (2016). Racial and ethnic disparities in mental health care for children and young adults: A national study. International Journal of Health Studies 46(4), 810-824.

<hr />

National Conference of State Legislators (2017, August 1). Disproportionality and disparity in child welfare. Author. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/disproportionality-and-disparity-in-child-welfare.aspx">http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/disproportionality-and-disparity-in-child-welfare.aspx</a>

<hr />

Nicholson-Crotty, S., Birchmeier, Z., &amp; Valentine, D. (2009). Exploring the impact of school discipline on racial disproportion in the juvenile justice system. Social Science Quarterly 90(4), 1003-1018.

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Nodjimbadem, K. (2017, May 30). The racial segregation of American cities was anything but accidental: A housing policy expert explains how federal government policies created the suburbs and the inner city. Smithsonian Magazine. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-federal-government-intentionally-racially-segregated-american-cities-180963494/">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-federal-government-intentionally-racially-segregated-american-cities-180963494/</a>

<hr />

Poehlmann, J., Dallaire, D., Loper, A.B., &amp; Shear, L.D. (2010). Children’s contact with their incarcerated parents: Research findings and recommendations. American Psychologist 65(6), 575-598.

<hr />

Scheindlin, S.A. (2018, May 31). Trump’s hard-right judges will do lasting damage to America (Opinion). The Guardian. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/30/trump-judge-appointments-roe-v-wade-courts">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/30/trump-judge-appointments-roe-v-wade-courts</a>

<hr />

Sibka, R.J., Horner, R.H., Chung, C-G., Rausch, M.K., May, S.L., &amp; Tobin, T. (2011). Race is not neutral: A national investigation of African American and Latino disproportionality in school discipline. School Psychology Review 40(1), 85-107.

<hr />

Wanless, S.B., &amp; Crawford, P.A. (2016). Reading your way to a culturally responsive classroom. National Association for the Education of Young Children. Retrieved from https://www.naeyc.org/resources/pubs/yc/may2016/culturally-responsive-classroom

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Jen: 01:34
Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We are kicking off a series on the intersection of race with parenting and child development today. This actually grew out of the episode we did a while back on intergenerational trauma in which I acknowledged that the trauma that Black parents experience just as a result of being Black and I meant to go back and do another episode on that topic because it was just too big of a topic to slip into a more general episode on trauma, but when I got in touch with a Black friend to discuss how to go about covering this, she said, and I’m going to quote, “Don’t do an episode on that. It smacks of trauma porn.” Instead, she told me to look at what it means to be a White parent in America today and by extension in other colonizing and colonized countries.

Jen: 02:16
So, I read a whole lot of books and I thought for a long time and that episode is now in the process of expanding to this series of several episodes. Today, we’re going to talk about White privilege, which I know can be a difficult topic to think about and White people including me, have a tendency to experience what Dr. Robin DiAngelo calls White Fragility, which is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable and triggers our defenses like denial, anger, fear, and guilt. And those caused us to argue or fall silent and leave the stress-inducing situation. So, if you’re feeling any of these emotions right now, after I said the words, White Privilege, and especially if you’re thinking, I don’t have privilege, my family doesn’t have enough money, or my partner just got laid off, or the Black cashier at the grocery store was really weird to me today.

Jen: 03:04
Then I’d encourage you not to let your defense mechanisms engage by shutting off this podcast, but instead try to listen with an open mind. This stuff isn’t easy, but it is really important. So, today we’re here with Dr. Margaret Hagerman, who’s the author of the brand new book, White Kids: Growing Up with Privilege in a Racially Divided America. I was really excited to find this book because there are a lot of researchers writing on White privileges today, but not nearly so many who are writing about it specifically as it relates to children. Dr. Hagerman is an Assistant Professor of Sociology at Mississippi State University and as a Faculty Affiliate in both the African American Studies and Gender Studies programs. She received her Ph.D from Emory University. Her qualitative research focuses on the study of racial socialization or how kids learn about race, racism, inequality, and privilege. Her new book is called White Kids: Growing Up with Privilege in a Racially Divided America. And while Dr. Hagerman does study the process of how this occurs, both inside and outside of schools, today we’re going to focus on the outside of school processes because we’ll have another episode very soon that’s entirely devoted to how Whites experienced privilege in the school system. So welcome Dr. Hagerman.

Dr. Hagerman: 04:14
Thank you for having me.

Jen: 04:15
All right, so let’s start out by something that we don’t normally do on podcast episodes, but when I was doing my Masters in Education, it was really common for professors to ask students at the beginning of a paper, particularly on the topic of diversity to identify their privileges. So, I’m going to start by...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

<hr />

This episode launches a series of conversations on the intersection of race and parenting.  I spent a month wading around in the psychological literature on this topic and deciding how best to approach it, and eventually decided to split it into four topics.

Today we’ll dig into White privilege in parenting through a conversation with <a href="https://www.margarethagerman.com/">Dr. Margaret Hagerman</a> on her book <a href="https://amzn.to/2MyZXJC">White kids: Growing up with privilege in a racially divided America</a>.

For those of us who are White, White privilege can be an incredibly uncomfortable to discuss.  After all, we didn’t ask for this privilege – we were just born into a system where we have it.  But the reality is that we do have it, and many of the actions we take on a daily basis mean that we don’t just benefit from it but we actively take steps to perpetuate that advantage.  So in this episode we’ll learn how we can recognize that privilege in our lives and we’ll start to learn about some steps we can take to address it.

In upcoming episodes we’ll look at White privilege in schools, parents’ responsibility to work on dismantling systems of racial privilege, how to talk with children about race, and what children learn about race in school (and what you can do to supplement this).

I’m really excited to begin this conversation, but at the same time I want to acknowledge that while these episodes are based on a close reading of the literature, this is a massive subject and I’m not the expert here – I’m learning along with you.  If you think I’ve missed the mark, do let me know either in the comments or via the Contact page.  And if you’d like to participate in a series of conversations on this topic with other interested parents, do join us in the free <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group</a> – just search for #Whiteprivilege to find the thread.

You might also be interested to listen back to earlier related episodes:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/006-wait-is-my-toddler-racist/">Wait, is my toddler racist?</a> (Recorded back when I was still learning to distinguish between prejudice and racism!)

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialgroups/">How children form social groups</a>, which is critical to understanding how they develop prejudices in the first place.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Addo, F.R., Houle, J.N., &amp; Simon, D. (2016). Young, Black, and (still) in the red: Parental wealth, race, and student loan debt. Race and Social Problems 8(1), 64-76.Birkhead, T.R. (2017, April 3). The racialization of juvenile justice and the role of the defense attorney. Boston College Law Review 58(2), 379-461.

<hr />

Bonilla-Silva, E. (2018). Racism without racists: Color-blind racism and the persistence of racial inequality in America (5th Ed.). Lanham, MD: Rowman &amp; Littlefield.

<hr />

Brantlinger, E., Majd-Jabbari, M., &amp; Guskin, S.L. (1996). Self-interest and liberal educational discourse: How ideology works for middle-class mothers. American Educational Research Journal 33(3), 571-597.

<hr />

DiAngelo, R. (2011). White fragility. International Journal of Critical Pedagogy 3(3), 54-70. Full article available at <a href="https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116">https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116</a>

<hr />

Goyal, M.K., Kupperman, N., &amp; Cleary, S.D. (2015). Racial disparities in pain management of children with appendicitis in emergency departments. JAMA Pediatrics 169(11), 996-1002.

<hr />

Marrast, L., Himmelstein, D.U., &amp; Woolhandler, D. (2016). Racial and ethnic disparities in mental health care for children and young adults: A national study. International Journal of Health Studies 46(4), 810-824.

<hr />

National Conference of State Legislators (2017, August 1). Disproportionality and disparity in child welfare. Author. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/disproportionality-and-disparity-in-child-welfare.aspx">http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/disproportionality-and-disparity-in-child-welfare.aspx</a>

<hr />

Nicholson-Crotty, S., Birchmeier, Z., &amp; Valentine, D. (2009). Exploring the impact of school discipline on racial disproportion in the juvenile justice system. Social Science Quarterly 90(4), 1003-1018.

<hr />

Nodjimbadem, K. (2017, May 30). The racial segregation of American cities was anything but accidental: A housing policy expert explains how federal government policies created the suburbs and the inner city. Smithsonian Magazine. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-federal-government-intentionally-racially-segregated-american-cities-180963494/">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-federal-government-intentionally-racially-segregated-american-cities-180963494/</a>

<hr />

Poehlmann, J., Dallaire, D., Loper, A.B., &amp; Shear, L.D. (2010). Children’s contact with their incarcerated parents: Research findings and recommendations. American Psychologist 65(6), 575-598.

<hr />

Scheindlin, S.A. (2018, May 31). Trump’s hard-right judges will do lasting damage to America (Opinion). The Guardian. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/30/trump-judge-appointments-roe-v-wade-courts">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/30/trump-judge-appointments-roe-v-wade-courts</a>

<hr />

Sibka, R.J., Horner, R.H., Chung, C-G., Rausch, M.K., May, S.L., &amp; Tobin, T. (2011). Race is not neutral: A national investigation of African American and Latino disproportionality in school discipline. School Psychology Review 40(1), 85-107.

<hr />

Wanless, S.B., &amp; Crawford, P.A. (2016). Reading your way to a culturally responsive classroom. National Association for the Education of Young Children. Retrieved from https://www.naeyc.org/resources/pubs/yc/may2016/culturally-responsive-classroom

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Jen: 01:34
Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We are kicking off a series on the intersection of race with parenting and child development today. This actually grew out of the episode we did a while back on intergenerational trauma in which I acknowledged that the trauma that Black parents experience just as a result of being Black and I meant to go back and do another episode on that topic because it was just too big of a topic to slip into a more general episode on trauma, but when I got in touch with a Black friend to discuss how to go about covering this, she said, and I’m going to quote, “Don’t do an episode on that. It smacks of trauma porn.” Instead, she told me to look at what it means to be a White parent in America today and by extension in other colonizing and colonized countries.

Jen: 02:16
So, I read a whole lot of books and I thought for a long time and that episode is now in the process of expanding to this series of several episodes. Today, we’re going to talk about White privilege, which I know can be a difficult topic to think about and White people including me, have a tendency to experience what Dr. Robin DiAngelo calls White Fragility, which is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable and triggers our defenses like denial, anger, fear, and guilt. And those caused us to argue or fall silent and leave the stress-inducing situation. So, if you’re feeling any of these emotions right now, after I said the words, White Privilege, and especially if you’re thinking, I don’t have privilege, my family doesn’t have enough money, or my partner just got laid off, or the Black cashier at the grocery store was really weird to me today.

Jen: 03:04
Then I’d encourage you not to let your defense mechanisms engage by shutting off this podcast, but instead try to listen with an open mind. This stuff isn’t easy, but it is really important. So, today we’re here with Dr. Margaret Hagerman, who’s the author of the brand new book, White Kids: Growing Up with Privilege in a Racially Divided America. I was really excited to find this book because there are a lot of researchers writing on White privileges today, but not nearly so many who are writing about it specifically as it relates to children. Dr. Hagerman is an Assistant Professor of Sociology at Mississippi State University and as a Faculty Affiliate in both the African American Studies and Gender Studies programs. She received her Ph.D from Emory University. Her qualitative research focuses on the study of racial socialization or how kids learn about race, racism, inequality, and privilege. Her new book is called White Kids: Growing Up with Privilege in a Racially Divided America. And while Dr. Hagerman does study the process of how this occurs, both inside and outside of schools, today we’re going to focus on the outside of school processes because we’ll have another episode very soon that’s entirely devoted to how Whites experienced privilege in the school system. So welcome Dr. Hagerman.

Dr. Hagerman: 04:14
Thank you for having me.

Jen: 04:15
All right, so let’s start out by something that we don’t normally do on podcast episodes, but when I was doing my Masters in Education, it was really common for professors to ask students at the beginning of a paper, particularly on the topic of diversity to identify their privileges. So, I’m going to start by identifying some of mine and I wonder if you’d be kind enough to then follow by identifying some of yours?

Dr. Hagerman: 04:37
Sure.

Jen: 04:38
Okay, perfect. So my first obvious one is Whiteness. I am a White person from England now living in America. I think my second one is economic status. I’m currently lucky enough, fortunate enough, well, we say lucky, but I’m upper middle class, although I come from a working class family and I do not deny that, I imagine it is, in some measure at least due to the fact that I am a White person and I do have privilege.

Jen: 05:02
So, it’s not entirely luck that has a gender, this fortune. I’m heterosexual. So that meant my sexuality is accepted by society. I never had to come out to anybody. I’m able bodied, I’m pretty much able to do whatever I need to do to get through life using the body that I was born with. And I also have some educational privilege because I have a number of Master’s degrees, a number of years of advanced education and I recognize also that my privilege has intertwined with the education that I’ve received as well. So, I wonder if you wouldn’t mind telling us a bit about your privileges as well.

Dr. Hagerman: 05:33
Sure. So I am a White woman. I grew up in a family that I would identify as having upper middle class status and now I’m a college professor and so I think that that status is probably, you know, still depending on how you measure it. I’m a social scientist, but I think that you would say that that was still that status. I am also heterosexual, able bodied and I have a Ph.D. So, certainly that would put me in a status of having educational privilege.

Jen: 06:01
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And also just wanting to make the point before we move on that I deliberately sought out White researchers to interview for this series, partly because we’re examining Whiteness rather than Blackness and partly also because I think it can be easier to truly hear and take on these truths when they’re presented by someone who looks like you and sounds like you and is more like you rather than someone who appears to be on the outside than looking in. But I do want to acknowledge that Black researchers and activists have been talking about White privilege for a really long time. And my hope here is that we can build on rather than refute their work. So, let’s get started with a topic that seems really easy, but perhaps it’s not. So what is race?

Dr. Hagerman: 06:43
That is a great question. So, I think that often people, at least my students for example, tell me that they think race is a biological concept, but in fact race is not a biological concept, but instead a social concept. And so the way that I like to think about this is that the lines that demarcate different races, these were lines that were drawn by humans and these were lines that were drawn in ways that relates to political projects. And so as philosopher Charles Mills puts it, “The reality of race is a reality that socially created not an intrinsic reality of the human.” And so I think what that really gets at is the ways in which race is a political system and so where you are located within that system or how you’re categorized, shapes, things like where you live, who you marry, how you see the world and so I think a better or maybe an easier way to think about race is to think about race as a political grouping. And as Dorothy Roberts who is a legal scholar puts it, “Race has always served a political function.” And I think that that’s really important in understanding the history of race and the history of racism and where that leaves us today.

Jen: 07:52
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and something that I learned as I was researching this, the way that we know this is a political construct and not a biological construct is that the groups change, right?

Dr. Hagerman: 08:02
Absolutely.

Jen: 08:03
Sometimes the people who were from Chinese origin will be classified as White and sometimes they’ll be classified as Asian and so the people in power able to change the groups to suit their own needs.

Dr. Hagerman: 08:14
Absolutely.

Jen: 08:15
So, that to me it was a key learning. I always just sort of symbol, if a person looks like a certain thing then they probably are that thing, but it turns out if you actually dig deeper into it, the group that’s in power has shifted what constitutes different groups and what privileges those groups have to suit their own needs at various points in history.

Dr. Hagerman: 08:34
Right.

Jen: 08:35
So yeah, it’s… that initial point just kind of blew my mind when I, when I started thinking about it. So. Okay. So a second question, and I think that the children that you talked to in your study had some thoughts on this. Is it racist to discuss race?

Dr. Hagerman: 08:47
So this is a question that certainly some of the children would debate with one another, like you just alluded to, but my answer to this is no. It’s not racist to discuss race and as many different scholars coming out of legal studies as well as sociology have found in research and in history, you know, we are at a moment right now where many people talk about new forms of racism. So something like color blindness, like saying that you don’t care about race or that you don’t even notice race or that race doesn’t really matter in our society and that to talk about it is just to re, you know, introduce it and to be racist that that’s really just a way of perpetuating the racial status quo and that, you know, the reality is we live in a society in which resources are allocated along these lines of race.

Dr. Hagerman: 09:35
And so to not talk about race is not going to get us anywhere. If anything, I think it will perpetuate the problem.

Jen: 09:41
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Hagerman: 09:42
So no, I do not think it is racist to discuss race.

Jen: 09:45
Okay. And we’ll come back to color blindness in a bit because I think that is so important. But I wonder if first you could give us just a little bit of background on your book. What and who did you study?

Dr. Hagerman: 09:53
Sure. So White Kids is a book that’s based on two years of ethnographic research with 30 families who identified both as White but also as affluent. And so these are families that have both race and class privilege. Uh, the children in this book are all in middle school, when I did the initial data collection, so the two-year time period. I do go back and re-interview them when they’re in high school, although that’s not the focus of the book.

Dr. Hagerman: 10:17
It comes up at the end. And so these were families that were living in a midwestern community and were kind enough to let me into their world and the sort of private sphere of White families. And so I spent this two years interviewing children, interviewing parents, observing them as they go about their everyday business, you know, birthday parties and soccer practice. And gymnastics and so forth and so I spent a lot of time with these families and my research questions were really about the ways that these families communicated about race and this question is informed by the research on this topic of racial socialization, which really comes out of this really important and powerful work by Black scholars in both sociology and psychology who historically were really focused on understanding how Black families communicate about race and particularly how Black parents prepare their children for, you know, potential experiences of racism.

Dr. Hagerman: 11:12
And so sort of building on that scholarship and thinking about how White families are not removed from the discussion of race or racism in America, but in fact are, you know, central to it, you know, I wanted to explore what was going on in these families and really try to see how it is that young White people are developing ideas that either reproduce racism or racial inequality or maybe rework it or maybe even challenge it.

Jen: 11:39
And you studied two very different communities in the book, right?

Dr. Hagerman: 11:43
Right. So the, there’s one metropolitan area and there’s two neighborhoods within that metropolitan area or within the actual city that I look at, but then I also compare that to a nearby suburban area and sort of notice the differences in why people chose to live in these different communities. So some dynamics with the schools, dynamics with extracurricular activities and so forth. And because these families have these economic resources, they can make all kinds of different choices. And so because of that I was really interested in why, you know, they would choose to live where they did.

Jen: 12:16
Mm-hmm. Okay. And so what kinds of ideas did the children that you interviewed have about race?

Dr. Hagerman: 12:21
Well, I think one of the interesting findings from my work is that not all of these children’s shared the same ideas, and there was more variation I think in some of their thinking than what I had initially anticipated. But I did find some powerful patterns across different groups of children. And you know, I think one of the things that I was really interested in was to what extent do these children believe that racism is still a problem in America? And for some of the kids they told me that they did not think it was, while other children had lots to say on the matter and could give me very specific examples of racism in the United States. And so the book really goes through and has, you know, a lot of the children’s voices told by them like their actual quotations and some incidents that I observed when I was spending time with them. And you’ve really got, I think a rich sense of the, both the range of ideas but also the patterns that exist as well.

Jen: 13:14
Mm-hmm. And where there major patterns appearing in each of the two communities that you studied?

Dr. Hagerman: 13:19
Yes. So for the families that lived in the suburban...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/whiteprivilege]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=3432</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/95c03194-3e37-4a97-8235-975c7bd6380d/white-privilegefinal.mp3" length="65070414" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This episode launches a series of conversations on the intersection of race and parenting.  I spent a month wading around in the psychological literature on this topic and deciding how best to approach it, and eventually decided to split it into four topics.
Today we’ll dig into white privilege in parenting through a conversation with https://www.margarethagerman.com/ (Dr. Margaret Hagerman) on her book https://amzn.to/2MyZXJC (White kids: Growing up with privilege in a racially divided America) [affiliate link].
For those of us who are white, white privilege can be an incredibly uncomfortable to discuss.  After all, we didn’t ask for this privilege – we were just born into a system where we have it.  But the reality is that we do have it, and many of the actions we take on a daily basis mean that we don’t just benefit from it but we actively take steps to perpetuate that advantage.  So in this episode we’ll learn how we can recognize that privilege in our lives and we’ll start to learn about some steps we can take to address it.
In upcoming episodes we’ll look at white privilege in schools, parents’ responsibility to work on dismantling systems of racial privilege, how to talk with children about race, and what children learn about race in school (and what you can do to supplement this).
I’m really excited to begin this conversation, but at the same time I want to acknowledge that while these episodes are based on a close reading of the literature, this is a massive subject and I’m not the expert here – I’m learning along with you.  If you think I’ve missed the mark, do let me know either in the comments or via the Contact page.  And if you’d like to participate in a series of conversations on this topic with other interested parents, do join us in the free https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/ (Your Parenting Mojo Facebook group) – just search for #whiteprivilege to find the thread.
You might also be interested to listen back to earlier related episodes:
https://yourparentingmojo.com/006-wait-is-my-toddler-racist/ (Wait, is my toddler racist?) (Recorded back when I was still learning to distinguish between prejudice and racism!)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialgroups/ (How children form social groups), which is critical to understanding how they develop prejudices in the first place.
 
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But I realized I’d never done the episode that should underlie all of these, which discusses what actually is emotion regulation and when (for crying out loud!) our children will be able to do it.  So we cover that in this episode, as well as some resources to help you support your child in developing this capability, the most important of which is Dr. John Gottman’s book <a href="https://amzn.to/2S5mrqR">Raising an Emotionally Intelligent Child</a> [affiliate link].

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If you’re in the thick of struggles with emotion regulation right now and you find yourself punishing or thinking about punishing your child for behavior that’s driving you crazy, you should definitely <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/punishment/">download the How to Stop Punishing Your Child (And What to Do Instead) workbook</a> that gives you strategies to help both of you cope better with stressful situations.

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<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
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<strong>References</strong>

Blankson, A.N., O’Brien, M., Leerkes, E.M., Marcovitch, S., Calkins, S.D., &amp; Weaver, J.M. (2013). Developmental dynamics of emotion and cognition processes in preschoolers. Child Development 84(1), 346-360.

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Campos, J.J., Kermoian, R., &amp; Zumbahlen, M.R. (1992). Socioemotional transformations in the family system following infant crawling onset. New Directions for Child Development 55.

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Cuevas, K., Deater-Deckard, K., Kim-Spoon, J., Watson, A.J., Morasch, K.C., &amp; Bell, M.A. (2014). What’s Mom got to do with it? Contributions of maternal executive function and caregiving to the development of executive function across early childhood. Developmental Science 17(2), 224-238.

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Deater-Deckard, K., Wang, Z., Chen, N., Bell, M.A. (2012). Maternal executive function, harsh parenting, and child conduct problems. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 53(10), 1084-1091.

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Fagot, B.I., Hagan, R., Leinbach, M.D., &amp; Kronsberg, S. (1985). Differential reactions to assertive and communicative acts of toddler boys and girls. Child Development 56(6), 1499-1505.

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Fox, N.A., &amp; Calkins, S.D. (2003). The development of self-control of emotion: Intrinsic and extrinsic influences. Motivation and Emotion 27, 7-26. Differential reactions to assertive and communicative acts of toddler boys and girls. Child Development 56(6), 1499-1505.

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Gottman, J., &amp; Declaire, J. (1997). Raising an emotionally intelligent child: The heart of parenting. New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

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Graziano, P.A., Reavis, R.D., Keane, S.P., &amp; Calkins, S.F. (2007). The role of emotion regulation and children’s early academic success. Journal of School Psychology 45(1), 3-19.

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Hendry, A., Jones, E.J.H., &amp; Charman, T. (2016). Executive function in the first three years of life: Precursors, predictors and patterns. Developmental Review 42, 1-33.

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Kennedy, D.E., &amp; Kramer L (2008). Improving emotion regulation and sibling relationship quality: The More Fun With Sisters and Brothers program. Family Relations 57, 567-578.

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Mence, M., Hawes, D.J., Wedgwood, L., Morgan, S., Barnett, B., Kohlhoff, J., &amp; Hunt, C. (2014). Emotional flooding and hostile discipline in the families of toddlers with disruptive behavior problems. Journal of Family Psychology 28(1), 12-21.

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Perry, N.B., Calkins, S.D., Nelson, J.A., Leerkes, E.M., &amp; Marcovitch, S. (2012). Mothers’ responses to children’s negative emotions and child emotion regulation: The moderating role of vagal suppression. Developmental Psychobiology 54, 503-513.

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Rutherford, H.J.V., Wallace, N.S., Laurent, H.K., &amp; Mayes, L.C. (2015). Emotion regulation in parenthood. Developmental Review 36, 1-14.

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Siegel, D.J., &amp; Bryson, T.P. (2018). The yes brain: How to cultivate courage, curiosity, and resilience in your child. New York, NY: Bantam.

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Smith, C.L., Calkins, S.D., Keane, S.P., Anastopoulos, A.D., &amp; Shelton, T.L. (2004). Predicting stability and change in toddler behavior problems: Contributions of maternal behavior and child gender. Developmental Psychology 40, 29-42.

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Sroufe, A.L. (1997). Emotion development: The organization of emotional life in the early years. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

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Sulik, M.J., Blair, C., Mills-Koonce, R., Berry, D., &amp; Greenberg, M. (2015). Early parenting and the development of externalizing behavior problems: Longitudinal mediation through children’s executive function. Child Development 86(5), 1588-1603.

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Thompson, R.A., Lewis, M.D., &amp; Calkins, S.D. (2008). Reassessing emotion regulation. Child Development Perspectives 2(3), 124-131.

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Volling, B.L. (2001). Early attachment relationships as predictors of preschool children’s emotion regulation with a distressed sibling. Early Education and Development 12(2), 185-207.

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Volling, B.L. (2002). Emotion regulation in context: The jealousy complex between young siblings and its relations with child and family characteristics. Child Development 73(2), 581-600.

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&nbsp;

But I realized I’d never done the episode that should underlie all of these, which discusses what actually is emotion regulation and when (for crying out loud!) our children will be able to do it.  So we cover that in this episode, as well as some resources to help you support your child in developing this capability, the most important of which is Dr. John Gottman’s book <a href="https://amzn.to/2S5mrqR">Raising an Emotionally Intelligent Child</a> [affiliate link].

&nbsp;

<strong>Download your free workbook!</strong>

If you’re in the thick of struggles with emotion regulation right now and you find yourself punishing or thinking about punishing your child for behavior that’s driving you crazy, you should definitely <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/punishment/">download the How to Stop Punishing Your Child (And What to Do Instead) workbook</a> that gives you strategies to help both of you cope better with stressful situations.

&nbsp;
<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you need help with your own big feelings about your child’s behavior, register for the <strong>Taming Your Triggers workshop.</strong>

&nbsp;

We’ll help you to:
<ul><li>Understand the real causes of your triggered feelings, and begin to heal the hurts that cause them</li><li>Use new tools like the ones Katie describes to find ways to meet both her and her children’s needs</li><li>Effectively repair with your children on the fewer instances when you are still triggered</li></ul><br/>
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Blankson, A.N., O’Brien, M., Leerkes, E.M., Marcovitch, S., Calkins, S.D., &amp; Weaver, J.M. (2013). Developmental dynamics of emotion and cognition processes in preschoolers. Child Development 84(1), 346-360.

<hr />

Campos, J.J., Kermoian, R., &amp; Zumbahlen, M.R. (1992). Socioemotional transformations in the family system following infant crawling onset. New Directions for Child Development 55.

<hr />

Cuevas, K., Deater-Deckard, K., Kim-Spoon, J., Watson, A.J., Morasch, K.C., &amp; Bell, M.A. (2014). What’s Mom got to do with it? Contributions of maternal executive function and caregiving to the development of executive function across early childhood. Developmental Science 17(2), 224-238.

<hr />

Deater-Deckard, K., Wang, Z., Chen, N., Bell, M.A. (2012). Maternal executive function, harsh parenting, and child conduct problems. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 53(10), 1084-1091.

<hr />

Fagot, B.I., Hagan, R., Leinbach, M.D., &amp; Kronsberg, S. (1985). Differential reactions to assertive and communicative acts of toddler boys and girls. Child Development 56(6), 1499-1505.

<hr />

Fox, N.A., &amp; Calkins, S.D. (2003). The development of self-control of emotion: Intrinsic and extrinsic influences. Motivation and Emotion 27, 7-26. Differential reactions to assertive and communicative acts of toddler boys and girls. Child Development 56(6), 1499-1505.

<hr />

Gottman, J., &amp; Declaire, J. (1997). Raising an emotionally intelligent child: The heart of parenting. New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

<hr />

Graziano, P.A., Reavis, R.D., Keane, S.P., &amp; Calkins, S.F. (2007). The role of emotion regulation and children’s early academic success. Journal of School Psychology 45(1), 3-19.

<hr />

Hendry, A., Jones, E.J.H., &amp; Charman, T. (2016). Executive function in the first three years of life: Precursors, predictors and patterns. Developmental Review 42, 1-33.

<hr />

Kennedy, D.E., &amp; Kramer L (2008). Improving emotion regulation and sibling relationship quality: The More Fun With Sisters and Brothers program. Family Relations 57, 567-578.

<hr />

Mence, M., Hawes, D.J., Wedgwood, L., Morgan, S., Barnett, B., Kohlhoff, J., &amp; Hunt, C. (2014). Emotional flooding and hostile discipline in the families of toddlers with disruptive behavior problems. Journal of Family Psychology 28(1), 12-21.

<hr />

Perry, N.B., Calkins, S.D., Nelson, J.A., Leerkes, E.M., &amp; Marcovitch, S. (2012). Mothers’ responses to children’s negative emotions and child emotion regulation: The moderating role of vagal suppression. Developmental Psychobiology 54, 503-513.

<hr />

Rutherford, H.J.V., Wallace, N.S., Laurent, H.K., &amp; Mayes, L.C. (2015). Emotion regulation in parenthood. Developmental Review 36, 1-14.

<hr />

Siegel, D.J., &amp; Bryson, T.P. (2018). The yes brain: How to cultivate courage, curiosity, and resilience in your child. New York, NY: Bantam.

<hr />

Smith, C.L., Calkins, S.D., Keane, S.P., Anastopoulos, A.D., &amp; Shelton, T.L. (2004). Predicting stability and change in toddler behavior problems: Contributions of maternal behavior and child gender. Developmental Psychology 40, 29-42.

<hr />

Sroufe, A.L. (1997). Emotion development: The organization of emotional life in the early years. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Sulik, M.J., Blair, C., Mills-Koonce, R., Berry, D., &amp; Greenberg, M. (2015). Early parenting and the development of externalizing behavior problems: Longitudinal mediation through children’s executive function. Child Development 86(5), 1588-1603.

<hr />

Thompson, R.A., Lewis, M.D., &amp; Calkins, S.D. (2008). Reassessing emotion regulation. Child Development Perspectives 2(3), 124-131.

<hr />

Volling, B.L. (2001). Early attachment relationships as predictors of preschool children’s emotion regulation with a distressed sibling. Early Education and Development 12(2), 185-207.

<hr />

Volling, B.L. (2002). Emotion regulation in context: The jealousy complex between young siblings and its relations with child and family characteristics. Child Development 73(2), 581-600.

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So in this episode we’ll talk about why preschool is considered to be such a good thing for children of lower-income families, and also what research is available on the effects – both positive and negative – of daycare and preschool on children of middle- and upper-income families.

You’ll also hear me mention in the show that it’s really, really difficult even for researchers to accurately measure the quality of a daycare/preschool setting because you can’t just get data on child:teacher ratios and teacher qualifications to do this.  You have to actually visit the setting and understand the experience of the children to do this – but what do you look for?  And what questions do you ask?  In the show I mention a list of questions you can ask the staff and things you can look out for that Evelyn Nichols, M.Ed of <a href="http://www.mightybambinis.com/?utm_campaign=preschool&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_source=YourParentingMojo">Mighty Bambinis</a> and I put together – <strong><a href="#episode-single-custom-form">Click here</a> to download.</strong>



Let me know (in the comments below) if you have follow-up questions as you think through this decision for your family!

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re covering an altruistic episode – one that I don’t need, because we already made this decision a long time ago – and that’s on how to decide whether you should put your child in daycare or preschool. I regularly get questions from listeners on this and my response has typically been that there isn’t a lot of research on the benefits and drawbacks for middle class children on whether or not the child goes to daycare, and that is still true. I’m going to be really up-front here and say that the vast majority of the literature related to childcare is conducted from the perspective of looking at methods to close the enormous deficit in skills – particularly language skills – with which poor children, and particularly poor Black children, enter kindergarten. Yet very, very few of these researchers ever think to question the system in which this research, and the poor children themselves, reside – these children only have a “deficit” of skills because the school system isn’t set up to value and develop the skills these children DO bring. So the vast majority of this research says something along the lines of “poor children have X, Y, and Z skills when they enter daycare, and daycare has success at closing the X gap between poor children and middle class children but not Y and Z.”
Now I’ve done research on the listeners of this show and while there are certainly parents of all kinds listening, I think my listeners – and certainly the people who email me asking about daycare – are mostly fortunate enough to not be highly economically challenged. Many of them have been stay-at-home parents for several years and are trying to decide whether the child would benefit more from continuing to stay home or go to daycare, rather than making this decision from the perspective of “our family needs another income so my child is going to have to go to daycare,” although there are a few who worry about whether they are somehow being selfish for wanting to work and sending their child to daycare. So we should acknowledge that the concerns of parents who are asking me about daycare and preschool for their children are pretty different from those of most of the researchers who look at this question. But there are some researchers who have taken a different perspective, or who have looked at the data in such a way that allows us to understand more about how this decision affects our children, so today we’re going to look at the what the scientific literature says on this topic. We’ll look at whatever research is available in the pre-kindergarten years, so throughout this episode when I say “daycare” I mean care for infants, and when I say “preschool” I mean care for toddlers and up, and I’ll let you know the age group that the studies refer to.
And I have a couple of other treats lined up for you as well. If you’re in the U.S. and possibly some other Western countries as well you may be gearing up for preschool touring season so my friend Evelyn Nichols, who used to run the RIE- and Reggio Emillia-inspired daycare Mighty Bambinis, has written a blog post for us drawing on her expertise running a daycare as well as her Masters in Education to help us understand what questions we should REALLY be asking on a preschool tour to get a feel for whether a preschool is going to be a good fit for your family. That post will be out next week, but if you want to get a headstart (or you have tours coming up this week!) head on over to yourparentingmojo.com/preschool to download a really cool printable list of questions to take on a preschool tour with space for you to jot down your answers. That printable is available right now, and if you’ve subscribed to the show through my website then you actually received it in the same email I used to let you know that this show is live. If you’re not subscribed through my site then head on over to yourparentingmojo.com/preschool to download the printable to take with you on your tours, because it’s going to let you know the kinds of questions to ask and things to look out for that will help you to judge the real quality of a care setting, which the literature shows is not as easy to judge as you might imagine.
OK, now into the research. I want to lay just a little bit of groundwork with research on the effects of daycare in infancy, even though that isn’t our focus. A lot of the studies looking at daycare and preschool takes advantage of policy changes related to parental leave in European countries, and looks at shift in children’s abilities before and after the change. And as a little methodological side note, these studies are done in a pretty different way from the usual ones we see on the show where a researcher takes 50 children into a lab and asks 25 of them to do one kind of task and the other 25 just play a game and the researchers ask both groups to do a different task and see which children can do it better. For many of these studies the researcher calls up, for example, Statistics Norway and says “could you please send me the data you have on the percentage of mothers that worked the year before and after the maternity leave increase, as well as the test scores for all five-year-old students in the country in those years, and also the final graduation rates and test scores for those children when they left school?” and Statistics Norway says “certainly Madam; we’ll send it to you within a couple of weeks” and the researcher can just sit in their office and run some statistical analysis on the data. So this data can give us some incredibly powerful country-level information that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive to gather by an individual researcher. But we should also acknowledge that this data isn’t able to tell us much about the individual-level processes going on. A child might score poorly or well on a standardized test for a host of reasons not related to the amount of time they spent in daycare or preschool, so while these studies can tell us about how children *on average* respond to being in daycare or preschool, they don’t tell us much about how YOUR CHILD will respond to this.
So one study on infant care compared child outcomes after an increase in mandatory paid maternity leave from 0 to 4 months, and mandatory unpaid maternity leave from 3 to 12 months in Norway in 1977. These children were 29 in 2006 when the study happened, and the study found that 2.7% more of the children completed high school after the reform, going up to 5.2% for those whose mothers have less than 10 years of education. There wasn’t really any high quality childcare available in Norway for under two-year-olds at the time, so the alternative was grandparents or other informal care, so this isn’t really a comparison between the kinds of care that most of my listeners are considering. An American study found that children whose mothers worked during the first year had lower scores on a test of cognitive ability and verbal intelligence, but this was potentially offset by a positive effect when the mother works in the second and subsequent years. The negative first year effect wasn’t impacted by the increased maternal income that came with the mother’s work, although this did appear to play an important role in producing the positive effect in the second and later years, but this study didn’t look at the kind of care the mother was using so we don’t know if it was center-based or informal (which is a pretty important distinction, as informal care is regularly associated with detrimental outcomes for children), and we also don’t know anything whether these differences between the two groups persisted as the children got older.
Another American study aimed to control for factors that might have differed between families using daycare and families not using daycare - so things like the fact that women who return to work earlier may provide a less nurturing or stimulating home environment and be less likely to breast...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I regularly receive questions from listeners asking me whether they should put their child in daycare or preschool and my response has typically been that there isn’t a lot of research on the benefits and drawbacks for middle class children on whether or not the child goes to daycare/preschool, and that is still true.  I’ve done research on my listeners and while parents of all types listen to the show, the majority of you are fortunate enough to not be <em>highly</em> economically challenged.

So in this episode we’ll talk about why preschool is considered to be such a good thing for children of lower-income families, and also what research is available on the effects – both positive and negative – of daycare and preschool on children of middle- and upper-income families.

You’ll also hear me mention in the show that it’s really, really difficult even for researchers to accurately measure the quality of a daycare/preschool setting because you can’t just get data on child:teacher ratios and teacher qualifications to do this.  You have to actually visit the setting and understand the experience of the children to do this – but what do you look for?  And what questions do you ask?  In the show I mention a list of questions you can ask the staff and things you can look out for that Evelyn Nichols, M.Ed of <a href="http://www.mightybambinis.com/?utm_campaign=preschool&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_source=YourParentingMojo">Mighty Bambinis</a> and I put together – <strong><a href="#episode-single-custom-form">Click here</a> to download.</strong>



Let me know (in the comments below) if you have follow-up questions as you think through this decision for your family!

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re covering an altruistic episode – one that I don’t need, because we already made this decision a long time ago – and that’s on how to decide whether you should put your child in daycare or preschool. I regularly get questions from listeners on this and my response has typically been that there isn’t a lot of research on the benefits and drawbacks for middle class children on whether or not the child goes to daycare, and that is still true. I’m going to be really up-front here and say that the vast majority of the literature related to childcare is conducted from the perspective of looking at methods to close the enormous deficit in skills – particularly language skills – with which poor children, and particularly poor Black children, enter kindergarten. Yet very, very few of these researchers ever think to question the system in which this research, and the poor children themselves, reside – these children only have a “deficit” of skills because the school system isn’t set up to value and develop the skills these children DO bring. So the vast majority of this research says something along the lines of “poor children have X, Y, and Z skills when they enter daycare, and daycare has success at closing the X gap between poor children and middle class children but not Y and Z.”
Now I’ve done research on the listeners of this show and while there are certainly parents of all kinds listening, I think my listeners – and certainly the people who email me asking about daycare – are mostly fortunate enough to not be highly economically challenged. Many of them have been stay-at-home parents for several years and are trying to decide whether the child would benefit more from continuing to stay home or go to daycare, rather than making this decision from the perspective of “our family needs another income so my child is going to have to go to daycare,” although there are a few who worry about whether they are somehow being selfish for wanting to work and sending their child to daycare. So we should acknowledge that the concerns of parents who are asking me about daycare and preschool for their children are pretty different from those of most of the researchers who look at this question. But there are some researchers who have taken a different perspective, or who have looked at the data in such a way that allows us to understand more about how this decision affects our children, so today we’re going to look at the what the scientific literature says on this topic. We’ll look at whatever research is available in the pre-kindergarten years, so throughout this episode when I say “daycare” I mean care for infants, and when I say “preschool” I mean care for toddlers and up, and I’ll let you know the age group that the studies refer to.
And I have a couple of other treats lined up for you as well. If you’re in the U.S. and possibly some other Western countries as well you may be gearing up for preschool touring season so my friend Evelyn Nichols, who used to run the RIE- and Reggio Emillia-inspired daycare Mighty Bambinis, has written a blog post for us drawing on her expertise running a daycare as well as her Masters in Education to help us understand what questions we should REALLY be asking on a preschool tour to get a feel for whether a preschool is going to be a good fit for your family. That post will be out next week, but if you want to get a headstart (or you have tours coming up this week!) head on over to yourparentingmojo.com/preschool to download a really cool printable list of questions to take on a preschool tour with space for you to jot down your answers. That printable is available right now, and if you’ve subscribed to the show through my website then you actually received it in the same email I used to let you know that this show is live. If you’re not subscribed through my site then head on over to yourparentingmojo.com/preschool to download the printable to take with you on your tours, because it’s going to let you know the kinds of questions to ask and things to look out for that will help you to judge the real quality of a care setting, which the literature shows is not as easy to judge as you might imagine.
OK, now into the research. I want to lay just a little bit of groundwork with research on the effects of daycare in infancy, even though that isn’t our focus. A lot of the studies looking at daycare and preschool takes advantage of policy changes related to parental leave in European countries, and looks at shift in children’s abilities before and after the change. And as a little methodological side note, these studies are done in a pretty different way from the usual ones we see on the show where a researcher takes 50 children into a lab and asks 25 of them to do one kind of task and the other 25 just play a game and the researchers ask both groups to do a different task and see which children can do it better. For many of these studies the researcher calls up, for example, Statistics Norway and says “could you please send me the data you have on the percentage of mothers that worked the year before and after the maternity leave increase, as well as the test scores for all five-year-old students in the country in those years, and also the final graduation rates and test scores for those children when they left school?” and Statistics Norway says “certainly Madam; we’ll send it to you within a couple of weeks” and the researcher can just sit in their office and run some statistical analysis on the data. So this data can give us some incredibly powerful country-level information that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive to gather by an individual researcher. But we should also acknowledge that this data isn’t able to tell us much about the individual-level processes going on. A child might score poorly or well on a standardized test for a host of reasons not related to the amount of time they spent in daycare or preschool, so while these studies can tell us about how children *on average* respond to being in daycare or preschool, they don’t tell us much about how YOUR CHILD will respond to this.
So one study on infant care compared child outcomes after an increase in mandatory paid maternity leave from 0 to 4 months, and mandatory unpaid maternity leave from 3 to 12 months in Norway in 1977. These children were 29 in 2006 when the study happened, and the study found that 2.7% more of the children completed high school after the reform, going up to 5.2% for those whose mothers have less than 10 years of education. There wasn’t really any high quality childcare available in Norway for under two-year-olds at the time, so the alternative was grandparents or other informal care, so this isn’t really a comparison between the kinds of care that most of my listeners are considering. An American study found that children whose mothers worked during the first year had lower scores on a test of cognitive ability and verbal intelligence, but this was potentially offset by a positive effect when the mother works in the second and subsequent years. The negative first year effect wasn’t impacted by the increased maternal income that came with the mother’s work, although this did appear to play an important role in producing the positive effect in the second and later years, but this study didn’t look at the kind of care the mother was using so we don’t know if it was center-based or informal (which is a pretty important distinction, as informal care is regularly associated with detrimental outcomes for children), and we also don’t know anything whether these differences between the two groups persisted as the children got older.
Another American study aimed to control for factors that might have differed between families using daycare and families not using daycare - so things like the fact that women who return to work earlier may provide a less nurturing or stimulating home environment and be less likely to breast feed, and the type of care used. These researchers found adverse effects of maternal employment on cognitive outcomes for non-Hispanic White children, but not for African American or Hispanic children, that persisted until age 7 or 8, although the effects were not large and were worse among lower-income families. The child’s home environment was an important factor predicting cognitive ability, breastfeeding didn’t seem to impact the results one way or the other, with informal care provided by non-relatives again producing the worst outcomes. One particularly pessimistic study said that looking at young children’s verbal ability isn’t a very good way of assessing the impacts of maternal work because we should actually be looking farther ahead, and if we do that, we see that mothers’ early work is linked with worse performance on reading and math tests at age 5 and 6 – about the same decline in performance as if the mother had 2-3 years less education than she really does. This is one of the few studies that looked at part-time employment and found a reduced but still negative effect for part time work, but the effects of the type of daycare used were highly mixed. It also disaggregated the results by economic status, noting that “children with working parents come from relatively advantaged backgrounds or possess attributes associated with rapid cognitive development,” which is a bit opaque to me but I think what they’re saying is that White middle class parents are “good parents,” and when these parents spend less time with their children because they’re working, the children experience adverse outcomes. Once again, however, what we’re really measuring is the ability of all children to do well on the types of tests that predict academic ability in a system that is really designed for White children to succeed in. So that’s what some of the research on working while the child is very young has found – in general, it seems to be more negative when low quality care is used and the parent is “advantaged,” and may be somewhat offset if the mother continues to work in subsequent years.
But what happens if the mother remains at home for the child’s first and maybe second year, and then returns to work after that? The research on this front is decidedly mixed, so we’re going to spend some time teasing it out. Once again, there is a large body of work demonstrating the “benefits” of high quality care for the population of welfare recipients, largely because the skills that these families develop in their children are not ones that are valued in school so formal daycare environments get these children used to functioning in an environment where you need to sit still and listen to the teacher, which helps the children once they get to school since sitting still and listening to the teacher is a valued skill in that environment. In other words, White middle class parents do just fine at preparing their children to succeed in a school that espouses White middle class values, a finding that is echoed in several other studies as well.
A couple of studies looked at Norway’s 1998 Care-for-Cash reform, which provided cash to families with young children who did not use formal child care facilities and instead took care of their infant or toddler themselves, used grandparent care, or used other informal care. This program apparently reduced the score on a reading test by about 1.24% among mothers with low levels of education. There’s a small increase in the scores driven by increased income from the mothers going back to work, but this is offset by the use of low quality informal child care and encourages the mother to have more children who will also have lower scores. But on the flip-side of that, another study found that older children whose mothers had an infant or toddler who made them eligible for the Cash-for-Care program actually had a better-than-expected 10th grade GPA, possibly because the school day in Norway is short and students get a lot of homework assignments but after-school programs are of low quality, so having the mother available to help could have supported the older child’s educational achievement. But this was just a tentative hypothesis, as the study didn’t seem to fully explore the link between maternal education or family income and the child’s outcomes. It’s possible that White middle class mothers might have provided more effective homework support for children than lower income mothers from other backgrounds.
Now I want to take a little detour here because I’ve mentioned the terms “high quality” and “low quality” a few times now, and you’re probably wondering “well, what IS a high quality preschool?”. It seems as though that should be a relatively easy thing to define, but it turns out that it’s actually not. Some researchers in the U.K. looked at the indicators that the U.K. Schools Inspectorate, which is called OFSTED, uses measure quality – things like staff qualifications, the staff-child ratio and group size, which roll up into a score of Outstanding, Satisfactory, or Inadequate. It turns out that attending preschool that is rated Outstanding is associated with moving up less than one level on just one of the 13 scales that make up the Foundation Stage of primary education at age 5, and children who attend Inadequate preschools do not always have the lowest readiness scores. It seems as though the type of administrative data that is usually used to measure quality is easy to collect and conveniently objective, but the actual experiences of the children in the setting, which is also called “process quality,” can only be measured by actually observing children in the setting – which makes this data very time-consuming and expensive to collect (which is why nobody does it on a large scale). Other studies have found positive but weak relationships between the average qualification level of staff and process quality; specifically for social skills like being cooperative, sociable, and less worried and upset. The same researchers found that helping some of the nursery staff to achieve a qualification leads to a significant improvement in process quality, but studies in the U.S. have found few associations between qualifications and quality at all. The blog post that I’m working on with Evelyn Nichols that will be published next week will help you to ask questions when you go on preschool tours that will help you to get at some of these process quality metrics, and the printable is something you can actually take with you so you remember what questions to ask and have space to jot down some short answers.
I should acknowledge that pretty much all of the research that I’ve found on quality is related to quality in formal daycare centers, rather than related to in-home nannies or nanny shares (which are a pretty common way to care for young children among the middle class in the U.S.), or in informal settings like the grandmother down the street who takes in the neighborhood children for a pretty cheap rate and probably does not have any formal qualifications. Daycare centers and preschools are much easier to inspect and assign numerical scores to, so that’s where the research seems to focus.
OK, so back on to the implications of being in preschool for children. A study by Dr. Christina Felfe in Germany published in 2012 looked at changes in parenting practices after the expansion of parental leave from 3 months in 1979 to 36 months of job protected leave and 24 months of that being paid leave (which probably makes American parents want to cry). In contrast with previous studies conducted in Quebec, which found that the introduction of a childcare subsidy led to more hostile parenting styles and thus to a deterioration of child well-being, this one in Germany found that the quality of maternal care does not deteriorate as a result of sending the child to center-based care. The paper notes that this could be because the kinds of activities that get crowded out in the mother-child interactions are things like running errands and watching TV, and I did want to linger on this point for just a minute. Firstly, I think that running errands actually has the potential to be a very rich interaction for children; my 4.5YO daughter Carys loves to come grocery shopping with me and we spend quite a bit of time talking about the things we’re buying and now she’s receiving pocket money I imagine the cost of items is going to become more of a discussion point. She helps me to unpack the bags when we get home, which Dr. Roberta Golinkoff cites as a perfect example of an activity that supports the development of skills related to cooperation. It also reminded me of things I’ve read in the homeschooling literature discussing how parents whose children are in school tend to run errands while their children are at school, but it turns out that running errands is a lot of what life is about. As a result, many children get to age 16 or 18 never having been in a bank or a post office or having any idea how to interact with the staff of those institutions. There’s a real tendency in modern parenting to get these kinds of errands out of the way so you can do the “fun stuff” with your children, but when you’re a stay-at-home parent the children are around all the time so these errands become a natural part of their lives and they see what it means to be an adult rather than being apart from adults in school and learning how to be an adult there. And the other part of this that caught my attention was the observation that low-quality solo time in front of the TV is something the child is less likely to spend time doing if they attend preschool, which reminded me of an article the New York Times ran just a couple of days ago discussing the pressures of modern parenting. It talked about how the American Academy of Pediatrics is contributing to this trend by saying that if parents do allow their children to watch TV, the parents...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/preschool]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2789</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 01:58:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/87076558-4e98-40f1-8032-2470cc7443fd/preschoolfinal.mp3" length="37440177" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>080: Self-Reg: Can it help our children?</title><itunes:title>080: Self-Reg: Can it help our children?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Emotion regulation: It’s one of the biggest challenges of childhood (and parenthood!).  We all want our children to be able to do it, but they struggle with it so much, and this is the root of many of our own struggles in parenting.

But instead of trying to get them to reduce the intensity of their emotions, should we instead be trying to reduce the stress they experience from things like a too-hard seat at school, itchy labels, and the scratch of cutlery on plates?  Is there any peer-reviewed research supporting this idea?

We’ll find out in this, the most frustrating episode I’ve ever researched, on Dr. Stuart Shanker’s book Self-Reg!



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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Today’s episode comes to us courtesy of listener Alison, who sent me some information on Dr. Stuart Shanker’s work on what he calls “Self-Reg,” which seems to be his branded term for “Self-Regulation,” and asked me to explore it in an episode.  And I really don’t think she or I realized what a can of worms we were opening up when she sent the question and I said I’d look into it.

According to Dr. Shanker’s Self-Regulation Institute, Shanker Self-Reg ® is “a powerful method for understanding stress and managing tension and energy, which are key to enhancing self-regulation in children, youth and adults of all ages.  Decades of research have shown that optimal self-regulation is the foundation for healthy human development, adaptive coping skills, positive parenting, learning, safe and caring schools, and vibrant communities.”

I got Dr. Shanker’s book, which is also called Self-Reg, and I have to say that my warning signals started to go off when every footnote that I went to check out led to a book, rather than to a peer-reviewed journal article.  Now journal articles aren’t perfect; I actually saw an article in the New York Times recently on three scientists who managed to publish twenty papers in journal articles across a variety of fields over the last year in which they “started with politically fashionable conclusions which they worked backward to support by aping the relevant fields’ methods and arguments, and sometimes inventing data.”  And I’ve also seen articles describing how major, respected publishers released entire publications that were sponsored by unnamed pharmaceutical companies and looked like peer-reviewed medical journals but didn’t disclose their sponsorship.

But in general, journal articles are how scientific information gets disseminated, because they include a methods section and a results section so experts and other readers like you and me can understand how they arrived at their conclusions.  Then other scientists can replicate that work if they want to, or at least offer critiques of the methods and conclusions.  But no such system is in place when a book is published.

Craig Silverman, who wrote a book on media accuracy, says in an article in The Atlantic that he did an anecdotal survey asking people: “Between books, magazines, and newspapers, which do you think has the most fact-checking?”  Almost inevitably, the people he spoke with guessed books, but it turns out that fact-checking has never been standard practice in the book publishing world at all.  The article goes on to say that “reliance on books creates a weak link in the chain of media accuracy” because “magazine fact checkers typically treat reference to a fact in a published book as confirmation of the fact, yet too often the books themselves have undergone no such rigorous process.”  Further, when only the book title is provided in the footnotes we have no idea what in the book is being cited – whether it’s the entire premise of the book, or some obscure sentence on page 475.

So I want to be clear here and say that I don’t have reason to believe that Dr. Shanker’s book is a lie.  I also don’t have evidence to show that the books he’s relying on to support his points are based on lies, mainly because I don’t have time to read a hundred books in preparation for this episode.  But what I do know is that books are about the least reliable form of evidence you could draw on to make a point about something that’s important to get right, and that he also doesn’t cite research that I now know is available that could actually...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Emotion regulation: It’s one of the biggest challenges of childhood (and parenthood!).  We all want our children to be able to do it, but they struggle with it so much, and this is the root of many of our own struggles in parenting.

But instead of trying to get them to reduce the intensity of their emotions, should we instead be trying to reduce the stress they experience from things like a too-hard seat at school, itchy labels, and the scratch of cutlery on plates?  Is there any peer-reviewed research supporting this idea?

We’ll find out in this, the most frustrating episode I’ve ever researched, on Dr. Stuart Shanker’s book Self-Reg!



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<strong>References</strong>

Baumeister, R.F., Twenge, J.M., &amp; Nuss, C.K. (2002). Effects of social exclusion on cognitive processes: Anticipated aloneness reduces intelligent thought. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 84(4), 817-827.

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Crnic, K.A., &amp; Greenberg, M.T. (1990). Minor parenting stresses with young children. Child Development 61(5), 1628-1637.

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Davies, P.T., Woitach, M.J., Winter, M.A., &amp; Cummings, E.M. (2008). Children’s insecure representations of interparental relationship and their school adjustment: The mediating role of attention difficulties. Child Development 79(5), 1570-1582.

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Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Font, S.A. (2016). Corporal punishment in U.S. public schools: Prevalence, disparities in use, and status in state and federal policy. Social Policy Report 30(1). Retrieved from https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.2379-3988.2016.tb00086.x

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Grant, B. (2009, May 7). Elsevier published 6 fake journals. The Scientist. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/elsevier-published-6-fake-journals-44160">https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/elsevier-published-6-fake-journals-44160</a>

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Gross, J.J. (2015). Emotion regulation: Current status and future prospects. Psychological Inquiry 26(1), 1-26. Full article available at <a href="http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.670.3420&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf">http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.670.3420&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf</a>

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Hamoudi, Amar, Murray, Desiree W., Sorensen, L., &amp; Fontaine, A. (2015). Self-Regulation and Toxic Stress: A Review of Ecological, Biological, and Developmental Studies of Self-Regulation and Stress. OPRE Report # 2015-30, Washington, DC: Office of Planning, Research and Evaluation, Administration for Children and Families, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

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Heaviside S, Farris E. Fast Response Survey System. Washington, DC: US GPO; 1993. Public School Kindergarten Teachers’ Views on Children’s Readiness for School. Contractor Rep. Statistical Analysis Report.

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Lyons, D.M., Parker, K.J., &amp; Schatzberg, A.F. (2010). Animal models of early life stress: Implications for understanding resilience. Developmental Psychobiology 52(7), 616-624.

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Lyons, D.M., &amp; Parker, K.J. (2007). Stress inoculation-induced indications of resilience in monkeys. Journal of Traumatic Stress 20(4), 423-433.

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Masten, A. S. (2001). Ordinary magic. Resilience processes in development. <em>American Psychologist</em>, <strong>56</strong>(3), 227–238.

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Muraven, M., Tice, D.M., &amp; Baumeister, R.F. (1998). Self-control as limited resource: Regulatory depletion patterns. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 74(3), 774-789.

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Murray, D.W., Rosanbalm, K., &amp; Christopoulos, C. (2016). Self-Regulation and Toxic Stress Report 3: A Comprehensive Review of Self-Regulation Interventions from Birth through Young Adulthood. OPRE Report # 2016-34, Washington, DC: Office of Planning, Research and Evaluation, Administration for Children and Families, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

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Newman, K. (2014, September 3). Book publishing, not fact checking. The Atlantic. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/why-books-still-arent-fact-checked/378789/">https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/why-books-still-arent-fact-checked/378789/</a>

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Raio, C. Orederu T.A., Palazzolo, L., Shurick, A.A., &amp; Phelps, E.A. (2013). Cognitive emotion regulation fails the stress test. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 110(37), 15139-15144.

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Schuessler, J. (2018, October 4). Hoaxers slip breastaurants and dog-park sex into journals. The New York Times. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html</a>

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Shanker, S. (n.d.). The self-reg view on: Schools as “Self-Reg Havens.” Self-Regulation Institute. Retrieved from <a href="https://self-reg.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mehrit_Havens.pdf?pdf=schools-havens">https://self-reg.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mehrit_Havens.pdf?pdf=schools-havens</a>

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Shanker, S., &amp; Francis, T. (n.d.). Hide and seek: The challenge of understanding the full complexity of stress and stress-reactivity. Reframed 1(1) (no pagination). Retrieved from <a href="https://selfregulationinstitute.org/reframed-volume-1-issue-1-july-2017-hide-seek/">https://selfregulationinstitute.org/reframed-volume-1-issue-1-july-2017-hide-seek/</a>

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Shanker, S. &amp; Burgess, C. (n.d.) Self-Reg and reframing.  Reframed 1(1) (no pagination). Retrieved from <a href="https://selfregulationinstitute.org/reframed-volume-1-issue-1-july-2017-self-reg-reframing/">https://selfregulationinstitute.org/reframed-volume-1-issue-1-july-2017-self-reg-reframing/</a>

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Silvers, J.A., Insel, C., Powers, A., Franz, P. Helion, C. Martin, R.E., Weber, J., Mischel, W., Casey, B.J., &amp; Ochsner, K.N. (2017). vlPFC–vmPFC–Amygdala Interactions Underlie Age-Related Differences in Cognitive Regulation of Emotion. Cerebral Cortex 27, 3502-3514.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Today’s episode comes to us courtesy of listener Alison, who sent me some information on Dr. Stuart Shanker’s work on what he calls “Self-Reg,” which seems to be his branded term for “Self-Regulation,” and asked me to explore it in an episode.  And I really don’t think she or I realized what a can of worms we were opening up when she sent the question and I said I’d look into it.

According to Dr. Shanker’s Self-Regulation Institute, Shanker Self-Reg ® is “a powerful method for understanding stress and managing tension and energy, which are key to enhancing self-regulation in children, youth and adults of all ages.  Decades of research have shown that optimal self-regulation is the foundation for healthy human development, adaptive coping skills, positive parenting, learning, safe and caring schools, and vibrant communities.”

I got Dr. Shanker’s book, which is also called Self-Reg, and I have to say that my warning signals started to go off when every footnote that I went to check out led to a book, rather than to a peer-reviewed journal article.  Now journal articles aren’t perfect; I actually saw an article in the New York Times recently on three scientists who managed to publish twenty papers in journal articles across a variety of fields over the last year in which they “started with politically fashionable conclusions which they worked backward to support by aping the relevant fields’ methods and arguments, and sometimes inventing data.”  And I’ve also seen articles describing how major, respected publishers released entire publications that were sponsored by unnamed pharmaceutical companies and looked like peer-reviewed medical journals but didn’t disclose their sponsorship.

But in general, journal articles are how scientific information gets disseminated, because they include a methods section and a results section so experts and other readers like you and me can understand how they arrived at their conclusions.  Then other scientists can replicate that work if they want to, or at least offer critiques of the methods and conclusions.  But no such system is in place when a book is published.

Craig Silverman, who wrote a book on media accuracy, says in an article in The Atlantic that he did an anecdotal survey asking people: “Between books, magazines, and newspapers, which do you think has the most fact-checking?”  Almost inevitably, the people he spoke with guessed books, but it turns out that fact-checking has never been standard practice in the book publishing world at all.  The article goes on to say that “reliance on books creates a weak link in the chain of media accuracy” because “magazine fact checkers typically treat reference to a fact in a published book as confirmation of the fact, yet too often the books themselves have undergone no such rigorous process.”  Further, when only the book title is provided in the footnotes we have no idea what in the book is being cited – whether it’s the entire premise of the book, or some obscure sentence on page 475.

So I want to be clear here and say that I don’t have reason to believe that Dr. Shanker’s book is a lie.  I also don’t have evidence to show that the books he’s relying on to support his points are based on lies, mainly because I don’t have time to read a hundred books in preparation for this episode.  But what I do know is that books are about the least reliable form of evidence you could draw on to make a point about something that’s important to get right, and that he also doesn’t cite research that I now know is available that could actually have supported his ideas.  Instead he makes statements about how he has scanned the brains of hyper-aroused children in his lab (but doesn’t describe any published journal article coming out of that work, which is pretty unusual).

Elsewhere he describes a process of physical sensations becoming associated with distinctive emotions: “For example, if an infant is hungry and her cries go unheeded, her muscles tense up, which is associated with sensations of discomfort, and a distinct feeling of anger may begin to emerge.  If a caregiver responds to these first signs of anger by scolding the child…then the physical sensations and the nascent feeling of anger that the child experiences may become further bound up with feelings of hopelessness.  As the child grows older, the same physical sensations – a stomachache, for instance – can trigger feelings of anger and hopelessness – and leave a parent befuddled, completely unaware of how a deep-seated physical/emotional association might be the culprit…” Again, there’s no citation provided for this work and I’ve yet to find any research or researcher who can corroborate that this process happens.

A third example is related to a concept called the “interbrain,” which I did find described elsewhere, and which is a kind of shared intuitive channel of communication, which is how parents sense things like tiny shifts in their child’s mood.  Then Dr. Shanker goes on to imply that for some children, minor stressors like “the gleam in a parent’s eyes or a hug or a gentle touch, which normally would be a source of positive arousal, can be more than the baby can bear.”  Once again, I couldn’t find any literature or researcher to support this claim, and my overall impression of the book is that Dr. Shanker takes research on children facing severe stressors like poverty and violence, and connects that research to minor stressors like itchy clothing labels, whirring fans, and the gleam in a parent’s eye to tell us middle class White parents that our children have severe problems, when actually the research doesn’t really support these claims.

When I went on Dr. Shanker’s Self-Regulation Institute’s website to look for evidence supporting the principles of Self-Reg I found a series of videos discussing the principles which, strangely, I can no longer locate.  One of which talked about the movement’s detractors and how people who don’t want to be convinced of Self-Reg’s benefits will never be convinced.  He went on to say something along the lines of “there’s evidence to support Self-Reg” – but nowhere is this evidence ever actually described.

If you search “self-reg” in any scholarly database, you come up with pretty much nothing except the occasional hit on a non-peer-reviewed article authored by Dr. Shankar.  And I’ve also learned in the course of researching episodes for this show that when a single researcher’s name gets too attached to a concept – if they’ve basically made their name on a concept, then that’s an extra reason to be suspicious.  We saw this in our episode on grit, where we found that the peer-reviewed papers showed effect sizes that were nowhere near as large as Dr. Angela Duckworth describes them to be in places like her book and her TED talk.  Growth Mindset may also be a useful tool but is likely not as large a determinant of success as Dr. Carol Dweck states in her TED talk.  So when I see that Dr. Shanker is essentially the only researcher whose name is tied to Self-Reg but he has actually trademarked the term “Shanker Self-Reg,” my danger radar starts beeping even more loudly.

Honestly, I find the claims about self-reg to be compelling.  I want to believe them.  They align with the way I view children, which is that bad behavior isn’t bad behavior; it’s the child trying to tell us something and what Dr. Shanker argues that they are trying to tell us is that they are stressed.

But in the absence of much in the way of real evidence in the book or on the Self-Regulation Institute’s website I reached out to the organization to ask them what they had.  I told them that I really do want to believe in what they say but I asked to see some evidence, and the very friendly response that I received essentially said two things.  Firstly, that “Self-Reg is a relatively young model and, as a whole new approach rather than a program, there is time involved in learning the model and refining how best to apply it.  We have begun this work and I am happy to share the research we do have.  I would welcome you to look at our website,” and then there’s a link to the home page, not to any specific evidence for the approach.

I’ve seen this idea of it being a “young model” bandied about a lot in the Self-Reg materials – but what confuses me here is that they somehow claim that it’s a young model and they’re still conducting research on it, but Dr. Shanker has written a book that’s at least two years old by the time you’re hearing this.  His bio on his website says he received a $7 million grant in 2005 to establish a state-of-the-art cognitive and social neuroscience centre at York University in Toronto, which was the largest gift the university had ever received.  He has advised governments on child development in at last twelve countries, and developed Shanker Self-Reg, his five domain model for understanding, recognizing and alleviating the impact of negative stress.  The Mehrit Centre, which also funds Dr. Shanker’s work, has a Foundations Certificate program that you can pay $1495 to take online, as well as a Level 2 Facilitator Program which grants you certification in The Shanker Method ® for $2,195, a Master’s Modules Program for $2,195…and the list goes on.  So my question is: if Dr. Shanker has had over a decade in his state-of-the-art cognitive and social neuroscience centre, and has had time to write a book and develop courses to train people on Self-Reg and wants to see the entire country of Canada become a “Self-Reg haven,” as he says in one of his marketing pieces, <em>where’s the research</em>?  How do we know this stuff actually helps?

Because so often in doing this show I’ve seen ideas that have prima facie merit actually don’t hold up when we start looking into them.  The first one of these that I ran into was on how to how to raise a child who isn’t racially prejudiced – I’d always just assumed that the best way to do this is to just not mention race, because then my daughter will learn that it isn’t an issue.  And it turns out that this is actually one of the most effective ways to raise a racist child!  And before I did my episode on self-esteem, I just assumed I’d find studies saying how beneficial it is, and then some studies on how to get more of it, and it turned out that actually – despite a massive push in California in the ‘90s to increase every child’s self-esteem as a way of solving the state’s societal problems –  high self-esteem hasn’t been shown to cause good life outcomes – it’s entirely possible that people who have good life outcomes just have high self-esteem. So while it can be attractive to jump on these bandwaggons, that’s not what we do here at Your Parenting Mojo.  We dig into what research there is and get our hands dirty and then try to make a decision based on the best evidence we can find.

Which brings me to the second major point of the email that I received from the Self-Regulation Institute, which was to direct me to their new open-access peer reviewed journal called Reframed: The Journal of Self-Reg.  The journal has a link to a page showing its editors; perhaps not surprisingly Dr. Shanker is listed first, followed by Lisa Bayrami who is the Executive Director of the Self-Regulation Institute.  The Managing Editor is Anne Showalater, a Ph.D Candidate in Canadian Studies and is the person who responded to my email.  Two of the four members of the Editorial Board are described as having explicit connections to the Self-Regulation Institute or the Mehrit Centre, so I think it’s safe to say that this journal is probably not going to publish any research that’s critical of Self-Reg.  And actually, as far as I can tell,  it’s not going to publish much in the way of actual scientific research at all – it’s essentially a series of blog posts describing different aspects of Self-reg, with sources cited at the end of each one – the majority, as usual, being books rather than peer-reviewed journal articles.  So in this episode I’m going to go through the references provided in the book, as well as in the Self-Reg “journal” articles, and from other peer-reviewed sources and we’ll see what we can find.

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So what is Self-Reg?  I’ll summarize the first chapter of Dr. Shanker’s book.  He starts by arguing that while *self-control* is important in being successful in life, sometimes the more we try to control ourselves the harder it gets.  More important than self-control is the amount of stress we are under and how we manage this, or how we self-regulate.  Dr. Shanker gives the example of cold outside being a “classic example of an environmental stressor that the autonomic nervous system responds to” – in a roundabout way, he states that if there are too many external stressors like being cold on top of the usual emotional, social, and cognitive stressors then the child’s limbic system can become hypersensitive to the slightest hint of danger.  It registers the cold as a big threat that causes the release of neurochemicals that trigger fight or flight mode, and if that doesn’t work then the brain freezes – like an animal playing dead.  The oldest, most “reptilian” part of the child’s brain releases adrenaline which sets off a series of reactions that result in the release of cortisol.  You’ve likely felt the result: heart rate, breathing rate, and blood pressure increase; you’re alert and reactive; your sweat glands open to cool you down, and endorphins are released that increase your pain tolerance.  These...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfreg]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2764</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f6391a1e-c1f6-4081-a47e-ad2b9f4d9189/selfregfinal.mp3" length="60216340" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Emotion regulation: It’s one of the biggest challenges of childhood (and parenthood!).  We all want our children to be able to do it, but they struggle with it so much, and this is the root of many of our own struggles in parenting.
But instead of trying to get them to reduce the intensity of their emotions, should we instead be trying to reduce the stress they experience from things like a too-hard seat at school, itchy labels, and the scratch of cutlery on plates?  Is there any peer-reviewed research supporting this idea?
We’ll find out in this, the most frustrating episode I’ve ever researched, on Dr. Stuart Shanker’s book Self-Reg!


References
Baumeister, R.F., Twenge, J.M., and Nuss, C.K. (2002). Effects of social exclusion on cognitive processes: Anticipated aloneness reduces intelligent thought. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 84(4), 817-827.
Crnic, K.A., and Greenberg, M.T. (1990). Minor parenting stresses with young children. Child Development 61(5), 1628-1637.
Davies, P.T., Woitach, M.J., Winter, M.A., and Cummings, E.M. (2008). Children’s insecure representations of interparental relationship and their school adjustment: The mediating role of attention difficulties. Child Development 79(5), 1570-1582.
Gershoff, E.T., and Font, S.A. (2016). Corporal punishment in U.S. public schools: Prevalence, disparities in use, and status in state and federal policy. Social Policy Report 30(1). Retrieved from https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.2379-3988.2016.tb00086.x
Grant, B. (2009, May 7). Elsevier published 6 fake journals. The Scientist. Retrieved from https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/elsevier-published-6-fake-journals-44160 (https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/elsevier-published-6-fake-journals-44160)
Gross, J.J. (2015). Emotion regulation: Current status and future prospects. Psychological Inquiry 26(1), 1-26. Full article available at http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.670.3420andrep=rep1andtype=pdf (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.670.3420andrep=rep1andtype=pdf)
Hamoudi, Amar, Murray, Desiree W., Sorensen, L., and Fontaine, A. (2015). Self-Regulation and Toxic Stress: A Review of Ecological, Biological, and Developmental Studies of Self-Regulation and Stress. OPRE Report # 2015-30, Washington, DC: Office of Planning, Research and Evaluation, Administration for Children and Families, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Heaviside S, Farris E. Fast Response Survey System. Washington, DC: US GPO; 1993. Public School Kindergarten Teachers’ Views on Children’s Readiness for School. Contractor Rep. Statistical Analysis Report.
Lyons, D.M., Parker, K.J., and Schatzberg, A.F. (2010). Animal models of early life stress: Implications for understanding resilience. Developmental Psychobiology 52(7), 616-624.
Lyons, D.M., and Parker, K.J. (2007). Stress inoculation-induced indications of resilience in monkeys. Journal of Traumatic Stress 20(4), 423-433.
Masten, A. S. (2001). Ordinary magic. Resilience processes in development. American Psychologist, 56(3), 227–238.
Muraven, M., Tice, D.M., and Baumeister, R.F. (1998). Self-control as limited resource: Regulatory depletion patterns. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 74(3), 774-789.
Murray, D.W., Rosanbalm, K., and Christopoulos, C. (2016). Self-Regulation and Toxic Stress Report 3: A Comprehensive Review of Self-Regulation Interventions from Birth through Young Adulthood. OPRE Report # 2016-34, Washington, DC: Office of Planning, Research and Evaluation, Administration for Children and Families, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Newman, K. (2014, September 3). Book publishing, not fact checking. The Atlantic. Retrieved from &amp;lt;a href=&amp;quot;https://www.theatlantic.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>079: What is RIE?</title><itunes:title>079: What is RIE?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[What is – WHAT?

Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE (pronounced like Rye bread) is the parenting approach that we use with our daughter Carys which is grounded in respect for the child.  I’ve wanted to do an episode on this topic ever since I started the show but at first I didn’t want you thinking I was all California-granola-hippie-crazy and stop listening.  Now I figure there are enough of you that have been listening for quite a while that you’re willing to at least listen to this ‘respect for children’ idea.

Because it’s no exaggeration to say that it has literally transformed my parenting, and underpins every interaction I have with my daughter.  I’m so proud of the relationship we have that’s based in our respect for each other.



In this episode we’ll cover a brief history of how RIE came into existence, Magda Gerber’s eight qualities of a good parent, and how to encourage your child to play independently…

And I’ll be honest and say that this is probably the first episode in the entire show which is not grounded in scientific research because I wanted to give you an overview of RIE first – and also discuss the parts of it we didn’t/don’t practice, before we devote an entire upcoming episode to what aspects of RIE are supported by scientific research – so stay tuned for that!

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<strong>References</strong>

Gerber, M., &amp; Johnson, A. (2002). Your self-confident baby: How to encourage your child’s natural abilities – from the very start. Nashville, TN: Turner.

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Gerber, M. (2003). Dear Parent: Caring for infants with respect. Los Angeles, CA: Resources for Infant Educarers.

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Karp, H. (2004). The ‘fourth trimester’: A framework and strategy for understanding and resolving colic. Retrieved from https://www.drdefranca.com/the-fourth-trimester-and-colic.html
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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

Today we’re going to talk about a topic that is near and dear to my heart, and that is what is known as Resources for Infant Educarers, which is abbreviated to RIE, which (for reasons I’ve never understood) is pronounced “Rye.”  Now I’m guessing that those of you listening to this right now are dividing yourselves into two groups: those of you in one group are saying “finally!” and those of you in the other are thinking “Resources for Infant – what???.”  So this episode will really be for those of you in the second group to learn about RIE, and those of you in the first can listen along and nod your heads and email me afterward if I got any of it wrong.  This will probably be the first episode in this entire show where we really don’t discuss much in the way of scientific research, because I actually have an entire episode lined up that delves into what aspects of RIE are supported by the literature, so we’re not going to do that here.  And I should also acknowledge that I’m going to tell you about the core principles of RIE but I’m also going to tell you about the parts of it that I didn’t or don’t practice, because I really don’t follow any approach dogmatically.

So where did RIE come from?  Well, I was surprised to learn that it actually originated in the work of Dr. Emmi Pikler, who worked in Austria and Hungary in the middle of the 20<sup>th</sup> Century.  She had seen that working class children who played on the street had lower rates of injuries than middle class children who played inside under a governess’ watchful eye.  She also studied with two doctors who focused on treating children as people, rather than just as an illness that needed to be fixed, and who believed in the importance of being outside, playing a lot, and following the child’s lead regarding food – so not forcing the child to eat even a single spoonful more than they wanted.

In 1930, Dr. Pickler married a high school math teacher who held progressive views, including that children should study at their own pace of development.  When they had a daughter, Anna, in 1931, they agreed that they would follow her developmental lead – they wouldn’t prop her to sit or steady her to walk, and that they would allow space and time for her to develop at her own rate.  She also began to make the connection between the physical and the mental, asking whether propping children to sit and leading them to walk communicates to the child that what the child is doing is not good enough, and that the child should be doing something that he isn’t actually yet capable of doing.

In 1932, Dr. Pikler opened a private practice in Budapest where she put all these elements together for her clients, and anecdotal evidence from Pikler’s daughter Anna notes that the children in her practice seemed healthier than other children.

Around 1937, a woman named Magda Gerber who was living in Hungary had a daughter who got some kind of mild illness; the family’s regular doctor was out of town and Gerber’s daughter remembered that her classmate Anna’s mother was a pediatrician so they gave her a call.  Pikler came over to their house and Gerber was just about to describe Anna’s symptoms when Pikler asked her to be quiet, and instead asked Anna herself about her symptoms and invited her cooperation with a physical exam.  Gerber was absolutely struck by the revolutionary nature of this approach, and began studying closely with Dr. Pikler.

Dr. Pikler stayed in Europe and after the second world war, she was asked by the local authority to set up a residential nursery in Budapest to take care of the orphans the war had left behind.  If you’ve heard of orphanages it might be the ones in Romania in the 1980s that you’re more familiar with – the children were confined to their beds for many hours a day, did not have caring relationships with adults, and many experienced cognitive delays due to the inadequacy of their care.  The children in Pikler’s orphanage, by contrast, were supported physically and emotionally, spent much of their time playing, and also allowed Dr. Pikler to test her ideas about the natural evolution of gross motor development.  A study conducted by the World Health Organization in the 1960s and 70s found that the children who had been in the orphanage didn’t differ from children who hadn’t in any meaningful way.

In the 1950s, Gerber’s family moved to Austria and then the U.S., where she worked as a translator in Boston and then with children in Los Angeles.  In 1978, she co-founded the non-profit Resources for Infant Educarers with an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Stanford named Tom Forrest, who strangely disappears from the RIE story pretty much immediately after that.  Gerber continued to work at the RIE organization in Los Angeles until her death in 2007.

So as we move into the meat of what RIE is, let’s start with a definition: what is an “educarer”?  Gerber coined this term to refer to “who educates children in a caring manner.”  She didn’t want to use “caregiver” or “caretaker” because a carer neither gives nor takes, although I would argue that she might not have used the word “educate” to me either if she’d thought a little more closely about that word too – to me, learning is something a child does; education is something that is done to another person.  So a carer, who can be a parent, grandparent, or paid childcare provider, puts love into action: the way the carer cares for a child is how she experiences your love.  And the ways we typically care for a child are in everyday activities like feeding and diapering, which Gerber transforms from chores that need to be gotten through as quickly as possible so you can get to the interesting stuff, to the really important part of caring for a child.

So let’s talk about what this looks like at the earliest stages of your baby’s life, and we’ll go forward from there.  The RIE approach to infants seems to me to be in contrast to the theory of the ‘fourth trimester’ that has been popularized by Dr. Harvey Karp.  Dr. Karp argues that unlike many animals who emerge at birth ready to run around, human babies are more like fetuses than infants.  They don’t really become alert until about three months of age, they cry a lot, especially in the evening, possibly due to a gradual accumulation of stress throughout the day, and this crying is apparently absent in cultures where babies are carried all day long with constant holding and rocking and frequent nursing.  For this reason, Dr. Karp recommends swaddling, calming a baby by putting them on their side, shushing loudly, swinging, and allowing the baby to suck as a calming mechanism.

Magda Gerber acknowledges, with a rare biblical reference, that “the newborn baby, up to about three months old, is between heaven and earth, not quite here yet…a parent’s job is to help the newborn make this transition into the world.  How can this be done in a respectful manner?  There are several keys in doing this.  The most important ones include observing your baby in order to understand her, helping her form attachment by talking to her and telling her what you are going to do, being slow and gentle with her, and waiting before intervening.”  There’s a lot here, so let’s break it apart a bit.

Observing the baby can be one of the hardest things for Westerners to do, since we are so accustomed to needing to *do* something, instead of just watch.  But it is by watching that you understand her body language and can begin to read her signals, which will enable you to do what attachment researchers like Dr. Arietta Slade, whom we talked to a few weeks ago, would call ‘sensitively responding’ – in other words, respond appropriately to her needs, not just guess blindly at what she needs and do...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[What is – WHAT?

Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE (pronounced like Rye bread) is the parenting approach that we use with our daughter Carys which is grounded in respect for the child.  I’ve wanted to do an episode on this topic ever since I started the show but at first I didn’t want you thinking I was all California-granola-hippie-crazy and stop listening.  Now I figure there are enough of you that have been listening for quite a while that you’re willing to at least listen to this ‘respect for children’ idea.

Because it’s no exaggeration to say that it has literally transformed my parenting, and underpins every interaction I have with my daughter.  I’m so proud of the relationship we have that’s based in our respect for each other.



In this episode we’ll cover a brief history of how RIE came into existence, Magda Gerber’s eight qualities of a good parent, and how to encourage your child to play independently…

And I’ll be honest and say that this is probably the first episode in the entire show which is not grounded in scientific research because I wanted to give you an overview of RIE first – and also discuss the parts of it we didn’t/don’t practice, before we devote an entire upcoming episode to what aspects of RIE are supported by scientific research – so stay tuned for that!

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<strong>References</strong>

Gerber, M., &amp; Johnson, A. (2002). Your self-confident baby: How to encourage your child’s natural abilities – from the very start. Nashville, TN: Turner.

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Gerber, M. (2003). Dear Parent: Caring for infants with respect. Los Angeles, CA: Resources for Infant Educarers.

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Karp, H. (2004). The ‘fourth trimester’: A framework and strategy for understanding and resolving colic. Retrieved from https://www.drdefranca.com/the-fourth-trimester-and-colic.html
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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

Today we’re going to talk about a topic that is near and dear to my heart, and that is what is known as Resources for Infant Educarers, which is abbreviated to RIE, which (for reasons I’ve never understood) is pronounced “Rye.”  Now I’m guessing that those of you listening to this right now are dividing yourselves into two groups: those of you in one group are saying “finally!” and those of you in the other are thinking “Resources for Infant – what???.”  So this episode will really be for those of you in the second group to learn about RIE, and those of you in the first can listen along and nod your heads and email me afterward if I got any of it wrong.  This will probably be the first episode in this entire show where we really don’t discuss much in the way of scientific research, because I actually have an entire episode lined up that delves into what aspects of RIE are supported by the literature, so we’re not going to do that here.  And I should also acknowledge that I’m going to tell you about the core principles of RIE but I’m also going to tell you about the parts of it that I didn’t or don’t practice, because I really don’t follow any approach dogmatically.

So where did RIE come from?  Well, I was surprised to learn that it actually originated in the work of Dr. Emmi Pikler, who worked in Austria and Hungary in the middle of the 20<sup>th</sup> Century.  She had seen that working class children who played on the street had lower rates of injuries than middle class children who played inside under a governess’ watchful eye.  She also studied with two doctors who focused on treating children as people, rather than just as an illness that needed to be fixed, and who believed in the importance of being outside, playing a lot, and following the child’s lead regarding food – so not forcing the child to eat even a single spoonful more than they wanted.

In 1930, Dr. Pickler married a high school math teacher who held progressive views, including that children should study at their own pace of development.  When they had a daughter, Anna, in 1931, they agreed that they would follow her developmental lead – they wouldn’t prop her to sit or steady her to walk, and that they would allow space and time for her to develop at her own rate.  She also began to make the connection between the physical and the mental, asking whether propping children to sit and leading them to walk communicates to the child that what the child is doing is not good enough, and that the child should be doing something that he isn’t actually yet capable of doing.

In 1932, Dr. Pikler opened a private practice in Budapest where she put all these elements together for her clients, and anecdotal evidence from Pikler’s daughter Anna notes that the children in her practice seemed healthier than other children.

Around 1937, a woman named Magda Gerber who was living in Hungary had a daughter who got some kind of mild illness; the family’s regular doctor was out of town and Gerber’s daughter remembered that her classmate Anna’s mother was a pediatrician so they gave her a call.  Pikler came over to their house and Gerber was just about to describe Anna’s symptoms when Pikler asked her to be quiet, and instead asked Anna herself about her symptoms and invited her cooperation with a physical exam.  Gerber was absolutely struck by the revolutionary nature of this approach, and began studying closely with Dr. Pikler.

Dr. Pikler stayed in Europe and after the second world war, she was asked by the local authority to set up a residential nursery in Budapest to take care of the orphans the war had left behind.  If you’ve heard of orphanages it might be the ones in Romania in the 1980s that you’re more familiar with – the children were confined to their beds for many hours a day, did not have caring relationships with adults, and many experienced cognitive delays due to the inadequacy of their care.  The children in Pikler’s orphanage, by contrast, were supported physically and emotionally, spent much of their time playing, and also allowed Dr. Pikler to test her ideas about the natural evolution of gross motor development.  A study conducted by the World Health Organization in the 1960s and 70s found that the children who had been in the orphanage didn’t differ from children who hadn’t in any meaningful way.

In the 1950s, Gerber’s family moved to Austria and then the U.S., where she worked as a translator in Boston and then with children in Los Angeles.  In 1978, she co-founded the non-profit Resources for Infant Educarers with an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Stanford named Tom Forrest, who strangely disappears from the RIE story pretty much immediately after that.  Gerber continued to work at the RIE organization in Los Angeles until her death in 2007.

So as we move into the meat of what RIE is, let’s start with a definition: what is an “educarer”?  Gerber coined this term to refer to “who educates children in a caring manner.”  She didn’t want to use “caregiver” or “caretaker” because a carer neither gives nor takes, although I would argue that she might not have used the word “educate” to me either if she’d thought a little more closely about that word too – to me, learning is something a child does; education is something that is done to another person.  So a carer, who can be a parent, grandparent, or paid childcare provider, puts love into action: the way the carer cares for a child is how she experiences your love.  And the ways we typically care for a child are in everyday activities like feeding and diapering, which Gerber transforms from chores that need to be gotten through as quickly as possible so you can get to the interesting stuff, to the really important part of caring for a child.

So let’s talk about what this looks like at the earliest stages of your baby’s life, and we’ll go forward from there.  The RIE approach to infants seems to me to be in contrast to the theory of the ‘fourth trimester’ that has been popularized by Dr. Harvey Karp.  Dr. Karp argues that unlike many animals who emerge at birth ready to run around, human babies are more like fetuses than infants.  They don’t really become alert until about three months of age, they cry a lot, especially in the evening, possibly due to a gradual accumulation of stress throughout the day, and this crying is apparently absent in cultures where babies are carried all day long with constant holding and rocking and frequent nursing.  For this reason, Dr. Karp recommends swaddling, calming a baby by putting them on their side, shushing loudly, swinging, and allowing the baby to suck as a calming mechanism.

Magda Gerber acknowledges, with a rare biblical reference, that “the newborn baby, up to about three months old, is between heaven and earth, not quite here yet…a parent’s job is to help the newborn make this transition into the world.  How can this be done in a respectful manner?  There are several keys in doing this.  The most important ones include observing your baby in order to understand her, helping her form attachment by talking to her and telling her what you are going to do, being slow and gentle with her, and waiting before intervening.”  There’s a lot here, so let’s break it apart a bit.

Observing the baby can be one of the hardest things for Westerners to do, since we are so accustomed to needing to *do* something, instead of just watch.  But it is by watching that you understand her body language and can begin to read her signals, which will enable you to do what attachment researchers like Dr. Arietta Slade, whom we talked to a few weeks ago, would call ‘sensitively responding’ – in other words, respond appropriately to her needs, not just guess blindly at what she needs and do whatever you can to make the crying stop.

Forming attachment is pretty clear; the parent needs to come when the baby cries, and develop a predictable daily schedule which helps to develop trust.  Gerber believed that it is important for a parent to be home with the child in the early years – that sensitive early care outside the home can be arranged, but parental care is preferable, although she does say that it’s better for a parent to work and arrange for high quality care than for the parent to stay at home and be miserable.

Gerber believed that talking with your child is critical, although she didn’t appreciate what is known as ‘child-directed speech’ or ‘motherese;’ the high-pitched speech with drawn-out vowels that parents typically use.  As someone who has always found child-directed speech to be kind of annoying I was relieved to learn about this when my daughter was an infant, although I will say that when I mentioned this to Dr. Roberta Golinkoff recently she said she had done a study with one of her students which found that even parents who think they don’t use child-directed speech actually do use different intonation with their child than with other adults, even if it isn’t *quite* as exaggerated as the speech that some adults use when talking to babies.

Another important part about talking with your child is telling your child what you’re going to do.  I’ve seen video of a pretty young infant, no more than a few months old, and when the parent says “I’m going to pick you up now,” the baby’s neck stiffens because she understands what is about to happen.  So we might think that an infant is just a helpless thing but observations like that help us to understand that actually they do listen to us and watch us and they can respond to us if we know how to look for their response.

Gerber says we also need to think about what we say through our hands, which are the primary way that our babies feel our intentions and our love.  If we rush through diapering silently and with rough hands, it conveys a very different message to the baby than if we participate in these interactions slowly and gently.

Gerber has a pretty interesting stance on babies’ crying – she views it as a child’s language, that communicates her needs to her parents.  Rather than trying to stop a child from crying by distracting her, Gerber says we need to try to figure out why she is crying so we can help her.  She says that crying is the only way a child can express her feelings or discomfort, and that babies also cry to discharge energy, so just because a baby is crying doesn’t necessarily mean they want us to fix something.  We should absolutely address anything we can think of that we *can* fix, but if we’ve done those things and the baby is still crying, we should just hold the baby, tell her quietly that we’re trying to understand hat she wants, and don’t try to rock or bounce the baby, which really communicates more of our nervous energy than doing anything to help the baby.

So as you can see, these are two pretty disparate views of a child’s first three months.  Dr. Karp sees a baby as pretty helpless in the first three months: they really aren’t capable of doing much for themselves, least of all regulate their own crying, so we need to do it for them.  Importantly, Dr. Karp bases his observations on colicky babies but then applies them to all babies, as if all crying is a bad thing and the parent’s only goal is to extinguish the crying.

Gerber, by contrast, sees an infant as a fully capable being right from the moment of birth.  I was surprised that the concept of the fourth trimester doesn’t have more support in the research literature, given how pervasive it has become in popular culture.  There are a number of papers suggesting the concept of the fourth trimester, but nobody really providing much evidence either for or against it.  In reality, I think this is going to differ by the individual child, the reality may lie somewhere between the two, and as much of the concept of the fourth trimester is about the parents as about the child.  Some children come out much more ready to spend time alone than others; I see pictures in online communities of parents practicing RIE of babies just a few days old spending quite a bit of time alone on a comfy blanket watching the sunlight move on a wall or waving their hands in front of their faces.  Other babies scream as soon as the parent puts them down, and seem to want to be held.  And some parents have a higher tolerance for apparent discomfort in the baby than others – some parents can let a baby fuss for a minute or two to see if they can solve their own problem, while others feel as though they *must* pick up the baby immediately.  To find some kind of balance, I would encourage you to observe your baby and learn their different cries – this will enable you to understand which kinds of cries indicate needs that should be met as soon as possible, and which might just be frustration that they can work through by themselves if you give them a minute.

In her book Your Self-Confident Baby, Gerber offers 8 qualities of a good parent and I’ll go through each of these.

Firstly, feel secure but don’t become rigid.  Your child changes over time, so your parenting needs to change over time too.  Make sure your own needs are met so you can relax into flexibility.

Secondly, be accepting, but set limits.  This one can be really hard for parents – acknowledging ALL of our child’s emotions not just the positive ones.  It’s OK for your child to be tired or frustrated or angry some of the time.  It’s even OK for the child to express these emotions, but what is NOT OK is for the child to express them in ways that you consider to be unacceptable – for example, through hitting.  Gerber says “Desires should be acknowledged and accepted, but rules enforced.”  As the child gets older, this idea extends to aggressive behavior that is a normal part of toddlerhood: if she tries to hit you, block her by gently holding her arm, and say “I don’t want you to hit me.  Hitting hurts me.”  You may choose to offer her a pillow or something else to hit, or you could offer that she goes outside to throw a ball hard.  If she continues to hit, move away.  You can say “I’m going to sit over here because I don’t want you to hit me.  I’m here for you when you are ready.”

It’s OK to not be 100% calm all of the time.  If you overreact when a child hits then they will do it to get a rise out of you, but you don’t have to pretend like something doesn’t irritate you when it does, or the child will be confused by your face and your tone of voice not matching your words.  If your child hits another child, you can ask your child to look at the other child to see the effect of his actions.  With a neutral voice that doesn’t inflict guilt or blame, you can say “look at Zachary.  He’s crying.  When you hit him, it hurt his arm.”  Helping a child to develop this awareness of other feelings is a much more effective route to empathy than forced apologies.  To the child who was hit, you can say “Mackenzie hit you.  Yes, it looked like it hurt.”  If you reflect rather than offering sympathy, the child won’t learn to seek attention by becoming a victim.

Thirdly, be available but not intrusive.  This means spending time with your child without dictating what they do.  One way I’ve seen this described is “Wants Nothing Quality Time.”  It’s different from “Wants Something Quality Time,” which is a way of describing caregiving acts like diapering as a form of quality time.  But in Wants Nothing Quality Time you are just spending time with your child with no agenda, using the time to observe and participate in the child’s play if the child chooses to involve you, and in the way that the child chooses to involve you, without you providing direction.

Fourthly, be patient, but be true to yourself.  This means trying to be as patient as you can with your child, but if something really bothers you, then set a limit on that behavior.  So a limit might be “no screaming in the house,” because it really really annoys you, or “no shoes on the couch” because then the couch will get dirty.  In addition to being patient, I would add “say yes unless there’s a good reason to say no.”  This will allow your child a framework or boundary that they know they must not stray beyond, but within this framework or boundary they have a great deal of freedom to spend their time as they wish.  It also means you don’t have to say “no” all the time, and that any limit you do set will be an easy one to hold – and it’s the waffling on limits (e.g. saying “no, don’t do that…child whines…”OK; you can do it”) that makes children test us so much.  If you do need to say ‘no,’ offer your child a couple of choices about what they can do instead – and make sure both of the choices are acceptable to you.

Fifthly, be realistic but consistent with your expectations, which means adjusting your expectations according to what the child can deliver.  Don’t expect an eight-month-old to keep all food on the table, but do expect an eighteen-month-old to do it – and don’t be afraid to end a meal if they start throwing food.  It can be harder to do this when you’re tired or frustrated, and one of the reasons I love RIE so much is because Gerber acknowledges the parent’s needs and that the parent will be a better parent if those needs are met.  So try to get enough sleep, relaxation time, and time away from your child so you don’t feel drained when you are with them.

Sixthly, have the wisdom to resist new fads.  One thing we often see on the show is some new study publicized with a clickbait title that implies there’s a radically different way we should be parenting our children and we should start immediately.  And my Facebook feed is inundated with things I can buy for my child, from Mindset journals to Montessori-based toys for infants, so you don’t have...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/whatisrie]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2689</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/aa4ed422-6c9b-42c7-ba2c-a1ff3fbeebf7/what-is-riev2.mp3" length="39495491" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>What is – WHAT?
Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE (pronounced like Rye bread) is the parenting approach that we use with our daughter Carys which is grounded in respect for the child.  I’ve wanted to do an episode on this topic ever since I started the show but at first I didn’t want you thinking I was all California-granola-hippie-crazy and stop listening.  Now I figure there are enough of you that have been listening for quite a while that you’re willing to at least listen to this ‘respect for children’ idea.
Because it’s no exaggeration to say that it has literally transformed my parenting, and underpins every interaction I have with my daughter.  I’m so proud of the relationship we have that’s based in our respect for each other.

In this episode we’ll cover a brief history of how RIE came into existence, Magda Gerber’s eight qualities of a good parent, and how to encourage your child to play independently…
And I’ll be honest and say that this is probably the first episode in the entire show which is not grounded in scientific research because I wanted to give you an overview of RIE first – and also discuss the parts of it we didn’t/don’t practice, before we devote an entire upcoming episode to what aspects of RIE are supported by scientific research – so stay tuned for that!

References
Gerber, M., and Johnson, A. (2002). Your self-confident baby: How to encourage your child’s natural abilities – from the very start. Nashville, TN: Turner.
Gerber, M. (2003). Dear Parent: Caring for infants with respect. Los Angeles, CA: Resources for Infant Educarers.
Karp, H. (2004). The ‘fourth trimester’: A framework and strategy for understanding and resolving colic. Retrieved from https://www.drdefranca.com/the-fourth-trimester-and-colic.html
 
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But do you ever find that the way you’re parenting in the moment doesn’t necessarily support your overarching goals?  So, if you have a goal to raise an independent child but every time the child struggles with something you step in and “help,” then your daily interactions with your child may not help your child to achieve that independence.<span id="more-2593"></span>

In this episode Dr. Joan Grusec of the University of Toronto helps us to think through some of the ways we can shift our daily interactions with our children to ones that bring our relationship with them (rather than our need for compliance) to the fore in a way that supports our longer-term parenting goals.

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<strong>Dr. Joan Grusec's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3UZGNPg">Parenting and children's internatlization of values: A handbook of contemporary theory</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Coplan, R.J., Hastings, P.D., Lagace,-Seguin, D.G., &amp; Moulton, C.E. (2002). Authoritative and authoritarian mothers’ parenting goals, attributions, and emotions across different childrearing contexts. Parenting: Science and Practice 2(1), 1-26.

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Dix, T., Ruble, D.N., &amp; Zambarano, R. (1989). Mothers’ implicit theories of discipline: Child effects, parent effects, and the attribution process. Child Development 60, 1373-1391.

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Grusec, J.E. (2002). Parental socialization and children’s acquisition of values. In M.H. Bornstein (Ed.). Handbook of Parenting (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed)., Volume 5: Practical issues in parenting (p.143-168). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.

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Hastings, P.D., &amp; Grusec, J.E. (1998). Parenting goals as organizers of responses to parent-child disagreement. Developmental Psychology 34(3), 465-479.

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Kelly, G. A. (1995). The psychology of personal constructs (2vols.). New York: Norton.

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Kuczynski, L. (1984). Socialization goals and mother-child interaction: Strategies for long-term and short-term compliance. Developmental Psychology 20(6), 1061-1073.

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Lin, H. (2001). Exploring the associations of momentary parenting goals with micro and macro levels of parenting: Emotions, attributions, actions, and styles. Unpublished Master’s thesis. Stillwater, OK: Oklahoma State University.

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Meng, C. (2012). Parenting goals and parenting styles among Taiwanese parents: The moderating role of child temperament. The New School Psychology Bulletin 9(2), 52-67.

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Miller, P. J., Wang, S. H., &amp; Cho, G. E. (2002). Self-esteem as folk theory: a comparison of EA and Taiwanese mothers’ beliefs. Parenting: Science and Practice, 2, 209-239.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.59">[00:22]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to dig into the literature on something I’ve been doing a bit intuitively for a while now, which is on setting goals for our parenting. Something that Dr Rebecca Babcock Fenerci said during our conversation on Intergenerational Trauma really stuck with me. She said, nobody sets out to be a terrible parent. In other words, all parents are doing the best that they can. Now everyone has parenting goals, whether we fully articulated them or whether they’re circulating somewhere in our subconscious that are formed by relationships we had with our parents and half remembered bits of parenting books and punk post, but what if we could bring all this stuff out of our subconscious and articulate it so that we can work towards achieving these goals? I’m not saying we should set goals like ‘by next month my introverted son is going to love going to parties,’ but if we understand what high level qualities we want our children to have as they grow up, will have a much better chance of actually achieving those goals.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.57">[02:17]</a></u>

So here with us today to think through all this is Dr Joan Grusec, who’s professor Emerita at the University of Toronto and have spent decades thinking about and researching this topic. Dr. Grusec received her Ba from the University of Toronto and her PHD from Stanford University before she returned to Toronto. She notes on her website that effective parenting does not involve simply the application of specific strategies and techniques or the adoption of specific styles of interaction, but the interaction of parenting strategies and children’s features like temperament, age, sex and mood, as well as something called the domain that the child is operating and that we’re going to discuss a lot more today. So don’t expect to come out of this episode with a tidy template for goal setting, but rather a framework to think about the goals that you have for your child and some ideas on how to apply it. Welcome Dr. Grusec; thanks so much for joining us.

Dr. Grusec:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.98">[03:05]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.99">[03:08]</a></u>

All right. Let’s go back to, well not the beginning here, but kind of a long time ago now. So you and one of your students did a study that has become something of a classic, I think it was published in ’98 in which you looked at parents’ goals when they imagined interactions with a child that could lead to conflict in a short vignette or in a previous experience with their own child. And I think you found that the parent use different strategies to work with their child depending on whether the parents’ center of control was themselves, the child or their relationship with the child. Can you tell us some more about that study?

Dr. Grusec: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=224.12">[03:44]</a></u>

Well, I think what we were trying to do, Paul Hastings and I and in that study was to look at the situation where a child has misbehaved and the parent is responding to that misbehavior, presumably wanting to improve things for the future. But we wanted to emphasize that there isn’t one response that can be made or that all parents make and parents have different things that they want to achieve in this same situation. So some parents or at some time and not at other times. Some parents may just want immediate compliance. They want good behavior, the child is throwing a temper tantrum and they want the child to stop, and those were, what we’d call parent-centered goals. Sometimes parents are interested in teaching a value or in trying to do something that will ensure or make it less likely that the child will misbehave in this way in the future, or sometimes they’re focused on the child’s emotional needs and why is the child so distressed and so upset or what’s bothering my child? Or how does this look for my child’s perspective? How does my child see this situation? Maybe I should take that into account when I’m responding. And the, uh, the last goal that we identified, and this was us asking parents, “what are the goals that you have when you’re interacting with your children in a situation where you want to change their behavior?” So last goal we call relationship-centered. And basically this is just a desire on the part of parents, particularly mothers, I must say mothers reported this more often than fathers did just to make sure that everybody ends up feeling happy and satisfied with the outcome of the interaction.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.04">[05:47]</a></u>

Okay. And so what strategies did parents use in each of these kinds of situations? How did they differ?

Dr. Grusec:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=353.74">[05:53]</a></u>

Oh, they differ in the, “I just want you to obey me” focus, a parent centered focus. It was mostly some sort of power assertive approach. Taking advantage of greater physical strength to move the child physically out of the situation or just to speak sharply to the child and say, “don’t do that.” So there were more of what we call these power-assertive interventions. In the case of child-centered goals. It was more some power assertion, some setting of rules. This is not the way we behave, but with an explanation or with reasoning or was some attempt to explain to the child why this was not acceptable behavior. In the case of relationship-centered goals that would be more like a taking the child’s perspective, trying to convey to the child that parent understood what the problem was even though the behavior needs to be changed and to see if...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We all have goals for our children, even if these are things that we’ve never formally articulated and are ideas we’ve inherited from half-remembered bits of parenting books and blogs (and the occasional podcast) and the way we were parented ourselves.

But do you ever find that the way you’re parenting in the moment doesn’t necessarily support your overarching goals?  So, if you have a goal to raise an independent child but every time the child struggles with something you step in and “help,” then your daily interactions with your child may not help your child to achieve that independence.<span id="more-2593"></span>

In this episode Dr. Joan Grusec of the University of Toronto helps us to think through some of the ways we can shift our daily interactions with our children to ones that bring our relationship with them (rather than our need for compliance) to the fore in a way that supports our longer-term parenting goals.

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<strong>Dr. Joan Grusec's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3UZGNPg">Parenting and children's internatlization of values: A handbook of contemporary theory</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Coplan, R.J., Hastings, P.D., Lagace,-Seguin, D.G., &amp; Moulton, C.E. (2002). Authoritative and authoritarian mothers’ parenting goals, attributions, and emotions across different childrearing contexts. Parenting: Science and Practice 2(1), 1-26.

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Dix, T., Ruble, D.N., &amp; Zambarano, R. (1989). Mothers’ implicit theories of discipline: Child effects, parent effects, and the attribution process. Child Development 60, 1373-1391.

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Grusec, J.E. (2002). Parental socialization and children’s acquisition of values. In M.H. Bornstein (Ed.). Handbook of Parenting (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed)., Volume 5: Practical issues in parenting (p.143-168). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.

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Hastings, P.D., &amp; Grusec, J.E. (1998). Parenting goals as organizers of responses to parent-child disagreement. Developmental Psychology 34(3), 465-479.

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Kelly, G. A. (1995). The psychology of personal constructs (2vols.). New York: Norton.

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Kuczynski, L. (1984). Socialization goals and mother-child interaction: Strategies for long-term and short-term compliance. Developmental Psychology 20(6), 1061-1073.

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Lin, H. (2001). Exploring the associations of momentary parenting goals with micro and macro levels of parenting: Emotions, attributions, actions, and styles. Unpublished Master’s thesis. Stillwater, OK: Oklahoma State University.

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Meng, C. (2012). Parenting goals and parenting styles among Taiwanese parents: The moderating role of child temperament. The New School Psychology Bulletin 9(2), 52-67.

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Miller, P. J., Wang, S. H., &amp; Cho, G. E. (2002). Self-esteem as folk theory: a comparison of EA and Taiwanese mothers’ beliefs. Parenting: Science and Practice, 2, 209-239.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.59">[00:22]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to dig into the literature on something I’ve been doing a bit intuitively for a while now, which is on setting goals for our parenting. Something that Dr Rebecca Babcock Fenerci said during our conversation on Intergenerational Trauma really stuck with me. She said, nobody sets out to be a terrible parent. In other words, all parents are doing the best that they can. Now everyone has parenting goals, whether we fully articulated them or whether they’re circulating somewhere in our subconscious that are formed by relationships we had with our parents and half remembered bits of parenting books and punk post, but what if we could bring all this stuff out of our subconscious and articulate it so that we can work towards achieving these goals? I’m not saying we should set goals like ‘by next month my introverted son is going to love going to parties,’ but if we understand what high level qualities we want our children to have as they grow up, will have a much better chance of actually achieving those goals.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.57">[02:17]</a></u>

So here with us today to think through all this is Dr Joan Grusec, who’s professor Emerita at the University of Toronto and have spent decades thinking about and researching this topic. Dr. Grusec received her Ba from the University of Toronto and her PHD from Stanford University before she returned to Toronto. She notes on her website that effective parenting does not involve simply the application of specific strategies and techniques or the adoption of specific styles of interaction, but the interaction of parenting strategies and children’s features like temperament, age, sex and mood, as well as something called the domain that the child is operating and that we’re going to discuss a lot more today. So don’t expect to come out of this episode with a tidy template for goal setting, but rather a framework to think about the goals that you have for your child and some ideas on how to apply it. Welcome Dr. Grusec; thanks so much for joining us.

Dr. Grusec:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.98">[03:05]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.99">[03:08]</a></u>

All right. Let’s go back to, well not the beginning here, but kind of a long time ago now. So you and one of your students did a study that has become something of a classic, I think it was published in ’98 in which you looked at parents’ goals when they imagined interactions with a child that could lead to conflict in a short vignette or in a previous experience with their own child. And I think you found that the parent use different strategies to work with their child depending on whether the parents’ center of control was themselves, the child or their relationship with the child. Can you tell us some more about that study?

Dr. Grusec: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=224.12">[03:44]</a></u>

Well, I think what we were trying to do, Paul Hastings and I and in that study was to look at the situation where a child has misbehaved and the parent is responding to that misbehavior, presumably wanting to improve things for the future. But we wanted to emphasize that there isn’t one response that can be made or that all parents make and parents have different things that they want to achieve in this same situation. So some parents or at some time and not at other times. Some parents may just want immediate compliance. They want good behavior, the child is throwing a temper tantrum and they want the child to stop, and those were, what we’d call parent-centered goals. Sometimes parents are interested in teaching a value or in trying to do something that will ensure or make it less likely that the child will misbehave in this way in the future, or sometimes they’re focused on the child’s emotional needs and why is the child so distressed and so upset or what’s bothering my child? Or how does this look for my child’s perspective? How does my child see this situation? Maybe I should take that into account when I’m responding. And the, uh, the last goal that we identified, and this was us asking parents, “what are the goals that you have when you’re interacting with your children in a situation where you want to change their behavior?” So last goal we call relationship-centered. And basically this is just a desire on the part of parents, particularly mothers, I must say mothers reported this more often than fathers did just to make sure that everybody ends up feeling happy and satisfied with the outcome of the interaction.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.04">[05:47]</a></u>

Okay. And so what strategies did parents use in each of these kinds of situations? How did they differ?

Dr. Grusec:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=353.74">[05:53]</a></u>

Oh, they differ in the, “I just want you to obey me” focus, a parent centered focus. It was mostly some sort of power assertive approach. Taking advantage of greater physical strength to move the child physically out of the situation or just to speak sharply to the child and say, “don’t do that.” So there were more of what we call these power-assertive interventions. In the case of child-centered goals. It was more some power assertion, some setting of rules. This is not the way we behave, but with an explanation or with reasoning or was some attempt to explain to the child why this was not acceptable behavior. In the case of relationship-centered goals that would be more like a taking the child’s perspective, trying to convey to the child that parent understood what the problem was even though the behavior needs to be changed and to see if they could work out some sort of compromise if that seemed appropriate.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.47">[07:08]</a></u>

Okay. And so it occurs to me that parents’ goals probably shift; the strategies that they use really shift depending on the situation. And so I’m thinking if the child has a tantrum at home, then maybe I can use more child centered in relationship centered strategies like staying calm…

Dr. Grusec:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=448.7">[07:28]</a></u>

Absolutely, yes. In the grocery store it’s more likely to be a parent-centered.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=454.45">[07:34]</a></u>

And so, okay. So what I’m curious about then is firstly the effectiveness of these strategies. Is it just as effective to say, you know, to use the power assertion method in the grocery store. Even if you wouldn’t do that if the child was at home. And secondly, you know, is it ever a good thing to use these strategies or should we be using more child centered relationship centered strategies?

Dr. Grusec: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=478.18">[07:58]</a></u>

Well, I think that a combination of child centered and relationship centered strategies are probably best. And when we get to talking later on about domains, I’ll explain why this is the case. Parents who want obedience and who are just focused on “I want my child to salute when I ask for it,” they’ll get obedience when the parents there, but they’re not going to get that same kind of good socially acceptable behavior if there’s no one there to demand that. So although obviously picking a child up and taking them out of the supermarket when they’re behaving badly is probably about the only thing you can do in the final analysis, it’s the other relationship centered and child-centered goals that probably are going to pay off.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=530.08">[08:50]</a></u>

Okay. And so that leads me to something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately, which is what parents have for parenting their children. I’m thinking both at a high level and at sort of daily interaction levels. So in the US particularly, there’s a high value placed on independence of people of all ages and so that might be a high level parenting goal that a lot of parents have is to raise a child who is independent, but there’s also a really big trend even beyond helicopter parenting to what I think is now known as lawnmower parenting where a parent attempts to mow down any potential obstacles in the child’s way. And it seems to me is there that kind of runs counter to the goal of independence. So I’m curious about what you’ve noticed about the goals that parents state about their child rearing kind of on a day to day level when you know obedience isn’t necessarily thing in all cases and these higher level goals and how parents, interactions with their children affect these goals.

Dr. Grusec:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=587.59">[09:47]</a></u>

Well, I think the problem here is that we as parents often do one thing, manifest one kind of behavior, but we talk in a different way about it. And so we send out confusing signals. So we may value independence. We may talk about independence, we may talk about its importance, but then if we behave in a different way in a way in which we’re encouraging a child to be dependent, then it’s a very confusing situation.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.91">[10:25]</a></u>

And so I’m curious about the cause and effect direction of this and a fairly recent study that was done in 2012 found that parents in a Taiwanese sample with children who express negative emotions, we’re more likely to be authoritarian, which means to use these power and coercive strategies to achieve compliance. But the study didn’t help us to understand whether having emotional children leads parents to be more coercive or whether coercive parenting leads to the child expressing more emotions. So I’m curious about whether you know of any research that’s been done that can help us to understand this direction of causality.

Dr. Grusec:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=662.34">[11:02]</a></u>

There’s a lot of research. I think the direction of causality is a question that every researcher faces. There are a number of methodological approaches that at least try to deal with the question of is the parent affecting the child or is the child’s behavior driving the parent? So one way of trying at least to get a little bit better, greater insight into this issue is to do what we call longitudinal studies. So we take measures at two points in time. So let’s say you’re interested in the effect of a given parenting behavior on the child. You would collect data about the child’s behavior two time points, one month apart, six months apart, two years apart, whatever, five years apart, you collect that data and you have measured the parent’s behavior at the first time point so that if you find a change in the child’s behavior that is related to, or correlated with a child’s behavior at the first time point, then you have a little bit more information, a little bit more permission for suggesting that there might be a causal relationship.

Dr. Grusec: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=747.55">[12:27]</a></u>

That’s one approach. Another approach is to do an experiment, but this is very hard in the child rearing research area; I can’t tell you to spank your child and tell another parent to speak kindly to their child and see what happens. So not too many experiments can be done, but intervention studies are another way of trying to get at some notion about whether the parenting behavior is having an effect on the child’s behavior so that presumably in an intervention study would have one group that received training in responding to the child’s wishes or whatever the variable was that you thought was important and another group was usually a wait list group because you think your intervention is going to work, so you come back, you measure the two groups at the beginning of one group’s intervention, and then with the waitlist control, there shouldn’t be any change in their behavior in comparison to the group that received the intervention.

Dr. Grusec: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=820.78">[13:40]</a></u>

So that is another way I think that ultimately the answer to your question is that parenting and child rearing is bi-directional. Parents influence children and children influence parents. There’s a recent study by Swedish group, for example, in which they looked at direction of the effect using a longitudinal study with Swedish adolescents and there they found a much greater effect of the adolescents on the parent’s behavior than vice versa. Now this is an older group, adolescents are something different from younger children. Then I think there’s, again, lots of evidence that parents do have an effect on the…parenting has an effect on the behavior of younger children, but as I say, I think it really. It’s both ways. Parents are people too. They have feelings, they respond to reinforcement, so it’s not surprising that they can be affected as well.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/t0vDT5IksifgnkUQk-dfm66djgl5bn4d87TeFm3G-HL03ra0EWxpeX4C-zObyo8CZV7CDy6ATPNhTSm5QpJCsIzcj-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=890.861">[14:50]</a></u>

Yep. We have goals and failures and these things just like children as well, so staying with the topic of using these different techniques. I think the parents often use these parents-centered techniques when you just kind of want short term compliance, but maybe they use more child in relationship-centered techniques when they want longer term compliance and perhaps even at a later date. And I read one study that tested the techniques that mothers used to get their child to sort out some spoons and forks when there are some attractive toys close by and found that when the mothers tried to instruct their child to comply, the child actually resisted complying and they were more likely to say something like, “do it yourself.” But when the mothers knew they were going to have to leave the child and attended to sort the cutlery, they were more likely to reason with a child which turned out to be more effective. And so the research concluded that sometimes we do choose, we would make a mental choice about how we’ll ask our child to do something, but sometimes we don’t necessarily do that. We don’t go through that process; our automatic pilot just comes on and in those cases we might use more of the parent center techniques which are less...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/goalsepisode]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2593</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:04:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5f85a020-c0ed-47fd-b973-19f7185dd5a3/goal-settingfinal.mp3" length="57862708" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We all have goals for our children, even if these are things that we’ve never formally articulated and are ideas we’ve inherited from half-remembered bits of parenting books and blogs (and the occasional podcast) and the way we were parented ourselves.
But do you ever find that the way you’re parenting in the moment doesn’t necessarily support your overarching goals?  So, if you have a goal to raise an independent child but every time the child struggles with something you step in and “help,” then your daily interactions with your child may not help your child to achieve that independence.
In this episode Dr. Joan Grusec of the University of Toronto helps us to think through some of the ways we can shift our daily interactions with our children to ones that bring our relationship with them (rather than our need for compliance) to the fore in a way that supports our longer-term parenting goals.
 
References
Coplan, R.J., Hastings, P.D., Lagace,-Seguin, D.G., and Moulton, C.E. (2002). Authoritative and authoritarian mothers’ parenting goals, attributions, and emotions across different childrearing contexts. Parenting: Science and Practice 2(1), 1-26.
Dix, T., Ruble, D.N., and Zambarano, R. (1989). Mothers’ implicit theories of discipline: Child effects, parent effects, and the attribution process. Child Development 60, 1373-1391.
Grusec, J.E. (2002). Parental socialization and children’s acquisition of values. In M.H. Bornstein (Ed.). Handbook of Parenting (2nd Ed)., Volume 5: Practical issues in parenting (p.143-168). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.
Hastings, P.D., and Grusec, J.E. (1998). Parenting goals as organizers of responses to parent-child disagreement. Developmental Psychology 34(3), 465-479.
Kelly, G. A. (1995). The psychology of personal constructs (2vols.). New York: Norton.
Kuczynski, L. (1984). Socialization goals and mother-child interaction: Strategies for long-term and short-term compliance. Developmental Psychology 20(6), 1061-1073.
Lin, H. (2001). Exploring the associations of momentary parenting goals with micro and macro levels of parenting: Emotions, attributions, actions, and styles. Unpublished Master’s thesis. Stillwater, OK: Oklahoma State University.
Meng, C. (2012). Parenting goals and parenting styles among Taiwanese parents: The moderating role of child temperament. The New School Psychology Bulletin 9(2), 52-67.
Miller, P. J., Wang, S. H., and Cho, G. E. (2002). Self-esteem as folk theory: a comparison of EA and Taiwanese mothers’ beliefs. Parenting: Science and Practice, 2, 209-239.
 
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So doesn’t it go without saying that these benefits will continue for older children, and that if we allowed school-aged children to spend more time outside then all kinds of improved learning outcomes would follow?

When I started digging into the research I was shocked by what I found.  Studies employing poor-quality methodology abound.  I’m not sure a control group exists in the whole lot of them.  And “results” are measured in terms of how much students like the program, or how much their self-esteem has improved (as subjectively measured by a teacher’s evaluation).

One of the best papers I found on the topic was written by Dr. Mark Leather – it acknowledges the potential benefits of forest schools while removing the rose-tinted glasses to clearly see the limitations of the research base on this topic as well.  So invited Dr. Leather onto the show to explore what are forest schools, what may be their benefits, and whether he would send his child to one…

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<strong>References</strong>

Aasen, W., Torunn, L., &amp; Waters, J. (2009). The outdoor environment as a site for children’s participation, meaning-making and democratic learning: Examples from Norwegian kindergartens. <em>Education 71</em>(1), 5-13.

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Cumming, F., &amp; Nash, M. (2015). An Australian perspective of forest school: Shaping a sense of place to support learning. <em>Journal of Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning 15</em>J(4), 296-309.

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MacEachren, Z. (2018). First Nation pedagogical emphasis on imitation and making the stuff of life: Canadian lessons for indigenizing Forest Schools. <em>Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21</em>, 89-102.

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Maciver, T. (2011) Developing practice and delivering a Forest School programme for children identified as gifted and talented. In S. Knight (Ed.)., <em>Forest School for all</em> (pp.41-53). Los Angeles, CA: Sage.

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Morgan, A. (2018). Culturing the fruits of the forest: Realizing the multifunctional potential of space and place in the context of woodland and/or Forest Schools. <em>Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21</em>, 117-130.

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Murray, R., &amp; O’Brien, L. (2005, October). <em>‘Such enthusiasm – A joy to see’: An evaluation of Forest School in England.</em> Forest Research &amp; NEF. Retrieved from: https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/documents/1418/ForestSchoolEnglandReport.pdf

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Murray, R. (2003, November). <em>A Forest School evaluation project: A study in Wales.</em> NEF. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/research/forest-schools-impact-on-young-children-in-england-and-wales/education-and-learning-evaluation-of-forest-schools-phase-1-wales/">https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/research/forest-schools-impact-on-young-children-in-england-and-wales/education-and-learning-evaluation-of-forest-schools-phase-1-wales/</a>

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O’Brien, L., &amp; Murray, R. (2006). <em>“A marvelous opportunity for children to learn”: A participatory evaluation of Forest School in England and Wales. Forestry Commission England &amp; Forest Research.</em> Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.outdoorrecreationni.com/publication/benefits-of-outdoor-recreation/social-development-learning-2/a-marvellous-opportunity-for-children-to-learn-obrien-murray-2006/">http://www.outdoorrecreationni.com/publication/benefits-of-outdoor-recreation/social-development-learning-2/a-marvellous-opportunity-for-children-to-learn-obrien-murray-2006/</a>

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Sharmaa-Brymer, V., Brymer, E., Gray, T., &amp; Davids, K. (2018). Affordances guiding Forest School practice: The application of the ecological dynamics approach.<em> Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21</em>, 103-115.

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Suggate, S.P. (2012). Watering the garden before a rainstorm: The case of early reading instruction.  In S. Suggate and E. Reese (Eds.), <em>Contemporary debates in childhood education and development</em> (pp.181-190). Abingdon, England: Routeledge.

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Wicks, R. (2011). Forest School and looked after children. In S. Knight (Ed.)., <em>Forest School for all</em> (pp.153-161). Los Angeles, CA: Sage.

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Williams-Siegfredsen, J. (2012).<em> Understanding the Danish Forest School approach: Early years education in practice.</em> London, U.K.: Routeledge.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to take a look at a topic that is pretty close to my heart and we’re actually going to take a pretty critical look at it while we’re at it. Our topic today is forest schools. We’ve done a couple of episodes in the past on the importance of outdoor play and on Dr Scott Sampson’s book, How to Raise a Wild Child and I think the research on the value of outdoor play two very young children is pretty clear, so I guess we sort of assume, and I’m counting myself here up until this point, that if outdoor play is great for young children, then forest schools must be also great for slightly older children and while I certainly hope that the conclusion of this episode is not that far, schools are the worst thing ever for children. I’m going to be upfront and letting you know that the quality of the scientific research on the benefits of forest schools is really not amazing.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=118.89">[01:58]</a></u>

So here today to help us dig into the literature is Dr. Mark Leather, who is Senior Lecturer in Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning at Plymouth Marjon University in England. Dr Leather received his bachelor’s degree in science education from the University of Exeter, then a masters in outdoor education from the University of Edinburgh and his doctorate in education from the University of Exeter. I approached him specifically to discuss this topic with us because of a paper he published this year in the Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education called A Critique of Forest School, or Something Lost in Translation, because I think that when you really want to truly understand an idea, it can be helpful to talk with somebody who has critiqued that idea rather than someone who only sees the good in it. And I need to get to the bottom of this because my husband and I planned to send our daughter to a forest school. So Dr. Leather, welcome and are you up for the task?

Dr. Leather:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=168.56">[02:48]</a></u>

Thank you Jen. And yes, I certainly am up for the task.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=172.12">[02:52]</a></u>

Awesome. So let’s start at the beginning and talk about where forest schools came from and what impact that has on the way it’s practiced, because I think they’re most commonly associated with Scandinavian countries. Although I was interested find that there was actually a far school in Wisconsin in the nineteen twenties and so I’m curious about how the people in Scandinavia view nature and how often they’re in nature and how that differs from how people in the US and the UK view nature.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=198.43">[03:18]</a></u>

Okay. Well that’s a great starting point. I think what we have to understand is that we’re talking about something in terms of 21st century forest school that is a branding and an approach to outdoor education or outdoor learning and that our cultures, whilst they are very similar, are specifically different and by that I do mean American culture is similar yet different to British culture and again British culture is White European – northern Europe – traditionally male dominated as is the Scandinavian cultures. Yet at the same time, in 2018, what we do and how we do it is similar yet different because of those social, historical and cultural pasts that we have and so in terms of how we perceive what a forest school experience is or may be, it’s going to be slightly different, which is why my paper critiqued forest school which did highlight the good aspects as well as the aspects that I think required questioning was titled Lost in Translation.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=275.34">[04:35]</a></u>

So I titled it lost in translation because as I see it as I explored in the paper forest school and sometimes known as forest kindergarten came from the Danish [Danish word] and Scandinavian “Friluftsliv,” which is a philosophical and cultural]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[If you’ve been following the show for a while now, you’ll know that my daughter and I LOVE to spend time outside.  I looked at the research on the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">benefits of outdoor play for young children</a>, and in my <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">interview with Dr. Scott Sampson on his book How to Raise a Wild Child</a>, so I am already convinced of its benefits for young children.

So doesn’t it go without saying that these benefits will continue for older children, and that if we allowed school-aged children to spend more time outside then all kinds of improved learning outcomes would follow?

When I started digging into the research I was shocked by what I found.  Studies employing poor-quality methodology abound.  I’m not sure a control group exists in the whole lot of them.  And “results” are measured in terms of how much students like the program, or how much their self-esteem has improved (as subjectively measured by a teacher’s evaluation).

One of the best papers I found on the topic was written by Dr. Mark Leather – it acknowledges the potential benefits of forest schools while removing the rose-tinted glasses to clearly see the limitations of the research base on this topic as well.  So invited Dr. Leather onto the show to explore what are forest schools, what may be their benefits, and whether he would send his child to one…

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Aasen, W., Torunn, L., &amp; Waters, J. (2009). The outdoor environment as a site for children’s participation, meaning-making and democratic learning: Examples from Norwegian kindergartens. <em>Education 71</em>(1), 5-13.

<hr />

Cumming, F., &amp; Nash, M. (2015). An Australian perspective of forest school: Shaping a sense of place to support learning. <em>Journal of Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning 15</em>J(4), 296-309.

<hr />

MacEachren, Z. (2018). First Nation pedagogical emphasis on imitation and making the stuff of life: Canadian lessons for indigenizing Forest Schools. <em>Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21</em>, 89-102.

<hr />

Maciver, T. (2011) Developing practice and delivering a Forest School programme for children identified as gifted and talented. In S. Knight (Ed.)., <em>Forest School for all</em> (pp.41-53). Los Angeles, CA: Sage.

<hr />

Morgan, A. (2018). Culturing the fruits of the forest: Realizing the multifunctional potential of space and place in the context of woodland and/or Forest Schools. <em>Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21</em>, 117-130.

<hr />

Murray, R., &amp; O’Brien, L. (2005, October). <em>‘Such enthusiasm – A joy to see’: An evaluation of Forest School in England.</em> Forest Research &amp; NEF. Retrieved from: https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/documents/1418/ForestSchoolEnglandReport.pdf

<hr />

Murray, R. (2003, November). <em>A Forest School evaluation project: A study in Wales.</em> NEF. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/research/forest-schools-impact-on-young-children-in-england-and-wales/education-and-learning-evaluation-of-forest-schools-phase-1-wales/">https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/research/forest-schools-impact-on-young-children-in-england-and-wales/education-and-learning-evaluation-of-forest-schools-phase-1-wales/</a>

<hr />

O’Brien, L., &amp; Murray, R. (2006). <em>“A marvelous opportunity for children to learn”: A participatory evaluation of Forest School in England and Wales. Forestry Commission England &amp; Forest Research.</em> Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.outdoorrecreationni.com/publication/benefits-of-outdoor-recreation/social-development-learning-2/a-marvellous-opportunity-for-children-to-learn-obrien-murray-2006/">http://www.outdoorrecreationni.com/publication/benefits-of-outdoor-recreation/social-development-learning-2/a-marvellous-opportunity-for-children-to-learn-obrien-murray-2006/</a>

<hr />

Sharmaa-Brymer, V., Brymer, E., Gray, T., &amp; Davids, K. (2018). Affordances guiding Forest School practice: The application of the ecological dynamics approach.<em> Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21</em>, 103-115.

<hr />

Suggate, S.P. (2012). Watering the garden before a rainstorm: The case of early reading instruction.  In S. Suggate and E. Reese (Eds.), <em>Contemporary debates in childhood education and development</em> (pp.181-190). Abingdon, England: Routeledge.

<hr />

Wicks, R. (2011). Forest School and looked after children. In S. Knight (Ed.)., <em>Forest School for all</em> (pp.153-161). Los Angeles, CA: Sage.

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Williams-Siegfredsen, J. (2012).<em> Understanding the Danish Forest School approach: Early years education in practice.</em> London, U.K.: Routeledge.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to take a look at a topic that is pretty close to my heart and we’re actually going to take a pretty critical look at it while we’re at it. Our topic today is forest schools. We’ve done a couple of episodes in the past on the importance of outdoor play and on Dr Scott Sampson’s book, How to Raise a Wild Child and I think the research on the value of outdoor play two very young children is pretty clear, so I guess we sort of assume, and I’m counting myself here up until this point, that if outdoor play is great for young children, then forest schools must be also great for slightly older children and while I certainly hope that the conclusion of this episode is not that far, schools are the worst thing ever for children. I’m going to be upfront and letting you know that the quality of the scientific research on the benefits of forest schools is really not amazing.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=118.89">[01:58]</a></u>

So here today to help us dig into the literature is Dr. Mark Leather, who is Senior Lecturer in Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning at Plymouth Marjon University in England. Dr Leather received his bachelor’s degree in science education from the University of Exeter, then a masters in outdoor education from the University of Edinburgh and his doctorate in education from the University of Exeter. I approached him specifically to discuss this topic with us because of a paper he published this year in the Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education called A Critique of Forest School, or Something Lost in Translation, because I think that when you really want to truly understand an idea, it can be helpful to talk with somebody who has critiqued that idea rather than someone who only sees the good in it. And I need to get to the bottom of this because my husband and I planned to send our daughter to a forest school. So Dr. Leather, welcome and are you up for the task?

Dr. Leather:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=168.56">[02:48]</a></u>

Thank you Jen. And yes, I certainly am up for the task.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=172.12">[02:52]</a></u>

Awesome. So let’s start at the beginning and talk about where forest schools came from and what impact that has on the way it’s practiced, because I think they’re most commonly associated with Scandinavian countries. Although I was interested find that there was actually a far school in Wisconsin in the nineteen twenties and so I’m curious about how the people in Scandinavia view nature and how often they’re in nature and how that differs from how people in the US and the UK view nature.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=198.43">[03:18]</a></u>

Okay. Well that’s a great starting point. I think what we have to understand is that we’re talking about something in terms of 21st century forest school that is a branding and an approach to outdoor education or outdoor learning and that our cultures, whilst they are very similar, are specifically different and by that I do mean American culture is similar yet different to British culture and again British culture is White European – northern Europe – traditionally male dominated as is the Scandinavian cultures. Yet at the same time, in 2018, what we do and how we do it is similar yet different because of those social, historical and cultural pasts that we have and so in terms of how we perceive what a forest school experience is or may be, it’s going to be slightly different, which is why my paper critiqued forest school which did highlight the good aspects as well as the aspects that I think required questioning was titled Lost in Translation.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=275.34">[04:35]</a></u>

So I titled it lost in translation because as I see it as I explored in the paper forest school and sometimes known as forest kindergarten came from the Danish [Danish word] and Scandinavian “Friluftsliv,” which is a philosophical and cultural approach to being outdoors and being in nature. And what we see in the UK has been the adoption of this philosophical approach to become a product. A commodity. Where in 21st century education knowledge is a product and is traded and sold. And so one of the arguments I make is that this cultural translation that something. The essence perhaps of what is special and positive about forest school, perhaps at some stages of its operationalization of when it’s taught and it’s led. Something is lost.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=337.05">[05:37]</a></u>

Yeah, and I just want to sort of make that a little bit more concrete. I think there is sort of this tradition in Scandinavia of people being a part of nature and they, and I’m not even going to attempt to pronounce that word, that means free air life, -it has a whole lot of consonants in it and so whereas in the UK I don’t think there really is that tradition and certainly in the u. s is the tradition of seeing the wilderness as being something that’s scary and now it’s sort of something that’s out there and we’d go visit it, but we don’t stay there. And it seems to me that what you’re saying is that we’re importing this forest school and we’re, credentializing these teachers with a scheme where you go and pay a certain amount of money and you come out with a credential the other end and bandy it around and get a job. But we haven’t necessarily thought about how the ideas translate from one country to another.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=385.03">[06:25]</a></u>

Yeah, like many aspects of education and specifically outdoor education, there is that sense for those of us involved that this is good, this feels good, so therefore it must be good. And culturally. I’ll give you an example of how I see things as problematic. If I paint the picture of British schooling, it is very much a setting of Victorian time of developing industrialization and developing the need for compulsory schooling for urban populations in these times. We’re talking about the 18 forties and fifties and there on. It’s very much a Victorian Britain and Victorian Britain is very much class loaded with the landed gentry and a factory owners and then the population who have moved from an agrarian economy working in the fields and now need to be educated. And in order to be educated, schools were set up in the university. I work at – we date back to 1840 where we took poor people off the streets, help them to become educated and help them to become the teachers of the next generations. If we cast our mind back and you may well remember from your time in the UK, Jen, we enjoy a lot of gray weather, rainy weather and a lot of cold weather and so still to this day we have our Victorian values in the primary school setting where wet, it’s raining, recess time known as playtime in the UK, would be known if it’s raining, you have wet to play time where the children do not go outside to play because they might get wet.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=495.08">[08:15]</a></u>

I remember that well.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=496.84">[08:16]</a></u>

And so we still have that now. That makes a lot of sense. If we think about poor families, probably walking to school and home again at lunchtime and then back to school. If you only had one coat and you only had one pair of shoes and it’s raining, well if you’ve walked to school and you’re soaking wet, there may have been a fire probably at the front of the classroom, which you might’ve put your boots around your shoes around as a class and hang your coat up. So of course in Victorian times and looking after you would have said, well, don’t go out and get wet and cold, and there was that belief that if you got wet that you would catch a fever, that you would get some kind of bug. And that was really culturally held, was so still held in my childhood by my mother, bless her.

Dr. Leather:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=544.08">[09:04]</a></u>

Whereas if you then go and look at Scandinavian countries, I’ll give you an anecdote of a time in a teacher I know who spent in Finland. I finished school at recess time just before recess. The other caretaker, the janitor of the school, came out with a fire hose and this was in November and he sprayed the entire playing ground, the hard surface with the fire hose. And because it was in Finland and it was winter, the water froze so that the children could come out and play during their recess, run around skid, scate, put the skates on and generally enjoy the outside. Uh, similarly talking to my dear friends and colleagues in Iceland, if they actually did not go outside when it was dark or if they did not go outside when it was wet or windy or snowy, then they would probably go outside five days a year, some years.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=607.68">[10:07]</a></u>

So culturally there’s this “well, of course we’re going to go outside and recreate and have picnics and go for walks” and there’s a great phrase from the forest school movement that one of the sayings is there’s no such thing as bad weather, just the wrong clothes.” Now, as an academic, I heard this and I tried to work out where it came from. I first heard it with the standup comedian Billy Connolly, who’s was a very sweary Scotsman that is very observational. A Glaswegian by birth, he tells a wonderfully funny story about his grandmother who would say that to him. Now actually there’s no such thing as bad weather. Just the wrong clothes is a play on words in Norwegian, and I won’t begin to pronounce, but there’s no such thing as bad weather, just the wrong clothes.”” It’s a rhyme. It reflects their cultural mindset that hates, of course we’re gonna go out, we’re just put a coat on and I find today that we still have that kind of attitude to outside and inside.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=676.56">[11:16]</a></u>

There’s another thing to talk about “Friluftsliv,” It’s actually enshrined within the Norwegian constitution that it is your right to travel over another person’s land and you can actually stay on another person’s land out of sight of their property for two weeks and you may take berries from their land and fish from their rivers now I think in UK we’re actually quite fortunate in the rights of the way the top public, so we have public rights of way that I can walk on a. We have public brideways so that I can ride my horse or my mountain bike on and we have wild areas where there is certainly in England, the Countryside Rights of Way Act. It’s called the Right to Roam.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=735.96">[12:15]</a></u>

The laws in Scotland are different. We have different governments, different parliaments and so we actually have a right over somebody else’s land, but that’s to travel, that’s not to stay. And then of course you get to the United States where when I’ve been there and enjoyed my visits, I see the signs posted trespassers, maybe shot for hunting or that kind of thing – saying this is my land. You have no right to it. It’s mine. And I think we need to understand culturally who owns the land, who controls the land, who, how the laws of the nation or the state are such that that directs how we inhabit the land and the landscape.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=776.33">[12:56]</a></u>

So I’m curious about how you’d see the defining characteristics of a forest school because it seems as though those are probably related to how we view land as well and I think that what if our school is, is a bit different in the US and the UK and in Sweden as well. So I don’t know if it’s possible to gravitate towards some overarching characteristics, but I wonder if you could try and give us a picture of what is a forest school.

Dr. Leather: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xongu15qvJqTj1de7GUPetfNF8DzWK1oOYfu7QlvjrOEE2ZYC3Vhifa7dd7NhZrfAvWCitEGqi13B4NVRPMFRlR2law?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=799.62">[13:19]</a></u>

Yeah, I certainly can do that. We could use Sara Knight’s definition, one of the leading English authors that’s created an academic prominence in the last 20 years with a number of textbooks. Although when you start to interrogate it, it doesn’t necessarily make sense. I’m going to start by saying that I argue that forest school is a social construction as all of current outdoor education or adventure education, wilderness trips, sail training, social constructs that are using traditional outside pursuits, whether it be horse-riding, ski touring, sailing and using them for educational purposes. And so when we contrive them in that way, they are socially constructed as is a forest school, particularly in the UK. The question I would raise is]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/forestschool]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2478</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/68a80141-d46f-4663-aa13-b49e927f8a9a/forest-schools.mp3" length="62531834" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>If you’ve been following the show for a while now, you’ll know that my daughter and I LOVE to spend time outside.  I looked at the research on the https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/ (benefits of outdoor play for young children), and in my https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/ (interview with Dr. Scott Sampson on his book How to Raise a Wild Child), so I am already convinced of its benefits for young children.
So doesn’t it go without saying that these benefits will continue for older children, and that if we allowed school-aged children to spend more time outside then all kinds of improved learning outcomes would follow?
When I started digging into the research I was shocked by what I found.  Studies employing poor-quality methodology abound.  I’m not sure a control group exists in the whole lot of them.  And “results” are measured in terms of how much students like the program, or how much their self-esteem has improved (as subjectively measured by a teacher’s evaluation).
One of the best papers I found on the topic was written by Dr. Mark Leather – it acknowledges the potential benefits of forest schools while removing the rose-tinted glasses to clearly see the limitations of the research base on this topic as well.  So invited Dr. Leather onto the show to explore what are forest schools, what may be their benefits, and whether he would send his child to one…

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Cumming, F., and Nash, M. (2015). An Australian perspective of forest school: Shaping a sense of place to support learning. Journal of Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning 15J(4), 296-309.
MacEachren, Z. (2018). First Nation pedagogical emphasis on imitation and making the stuff of life: Canadian lessons for indigenizing Forest Schools. Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21, 89-102.
Maciver, T. (2011) Developing practice and delivering a Forest School programme for children identified as gifted and talented. In S. Knight (Ed.)., Forest School for all (pp.41-53). Los Angeles, CA: Sage.
Morgan, A. (2018). Culturing the fruits of the forest: Realizing the multifunctional potential of space and place in the context of woodland and/or Forest Schools. Journal of Outdoor and Environmental Education 21, 117-130.
Murray, R., and O’Brien, L. (2005, October). ‘Such enthusiasm – A joy to see’: An evaluation of Forest School in England. Forest Research and NEF. Retrieved from: https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/documents/1418/ForestSchoolEnglandReport.pdf
Murray, R. (2003, November). A Forest School evaluation project: A study in Wales. NEF. Retrieved from: https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/research/forest-schools-impact-on-young-children-in-england-and-wales/education-and-learning-evaluation-of-forest-schools-phase-1-wales/ (https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/research/forest-schools-impact-on-young-children-in-england-and-wales/education-and-learning-evaluation-of-forest-schools-phase-1-wales/)
O’Brien, L., and Murray, R. (2006). “A marvelous opportunity for children to learn”: A participatory evaluation of Forest School in England and Wales. Forestry Commission England and Forest Research. Retrieved from: http://www.outdoorrecreationni.com/publication/benefits-of-outdoor-recreation/social-development-learning-2/a-marvellous-opportunity-for-children-to-learn-obrien-murray-2006/ (http://www.outdoorrecreationni.com/publication/benefits-of-outdoor-recreation/social-development-learning-2/a-marvellous-opportunity-for-children-to-learn-obrien-murray-2006/)
Sharmaa-Brymer, V., Brymer, E., Gray, T., and Davids, K. (2018).</itunes:summary></item><item><title>076: How to rock your parent-teacher conference</title><itunes:title>076: How to rock your parent-teacher conference</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Parent-Teacher conferences are about to be underway in many places, so I thought it might be helpful to give you some resources to make these as productive for you and your child as possible.

In this episode we talk with Dr. Margaret Caspe and Dr. Elena Lopez of the Global Family Research Project, which develops authentic partnerships to support children’s learning in the home, school, and community.  I actually used Dr. Lopez’ textbook for my Master’s in Education, so I’ve been familiar with her work for a while and knew she and her colleagues at GFRP were just the right people to help us learn more about Parent-Teacher conferences (for example, did you know that teachers find them just as scary as parents?!) and understand how to advocate for our child – and for all of the children in our community.

The resource guide on Parent-Teacher Conferences that we reference throughout this episode <a href="https://globalfrp.org/Articles/Parent-Teacher-Conferences-Strategies-for-Principals-Teachers-and-Parents">can be found here</a>.

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<strong>References</strong>
<div>Civil, M., &amp;amp; Quintos, B. (2009). Latina mothers' perceptions about the teaching and learning of mathematics. In B. Greer, S. Mukhopadhyay, A. B. Powell, &amp; S. Nelson-Barber (Eds.), <em>Culturally responsive mathematics education</em> (pp. 321-343). New York: Routledge.</div>
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<div>Charney, R. (2002). Teaching children to care. Greenfield, MA: Northeast Foundation for Children. [note: Dr. Caspe misremembered the title as “The Responsive Classroom.”]</div>
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<div>Dweck, C. (2007). Mindset: The New Psychology of Success. New York: Ballantine. [Note: check out <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/growthmindset/">my episode on this topic</a> before buying this book…]</div>
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George Lucas Educational Foundation (2015, August 24). Having students lead parent conferences. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.edutopia.org/practice/student-led-conferences-empowerment-and-ownership">https://www.edutopia.org/practice/student-led-conferences-empowerment-and-ownership</a>

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Loewus, L. (2017, August 15). The nation’s teaching force is still mostly White and female. Edweek. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017/08/15/the-nations-teaching-force-is-still-mostly.html">https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017/08/15/the-nations-teaching-force-is-still-mostly.html</a>

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McWayne, C. M., Melzi, G., Limlingan, M. C., &amp; Schick, A. (2016). Ecocultural patterns of family engagement among low-income Latino families of preschool children. D<em>evelopmental psychology 52</em>(7), 1088.

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Small, M.L. (2009). <em>Unanticipated gains: Origins of network inequality in everyday life.</em> Oxford, England: Oxford University Press

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Strauss, V. (2014, August 21). For first time, minority students expected to be majority in U.S. public schools this fall. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/08/21/for-first-time-minority-students-expected-to-be-majority-in-u-s-public-schools-this-fall/?utm_term=.3752d0eeddd7">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/08/21/for-first-time-minority-students-expected-to-be-majority-in-u-s-public-schools-this-fall/?utm_term=.3752d0eeddd7</a>

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TeacherVision (n.d.). Parent-teacher conferences: Before, during, and after. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.teachervision.com/parent-teacher-conferences-during-after">https://www.teachervision.com/parent-teacher-conferences-during-after</a>

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U.S. Department of Education (July 2016). The state of racial diversity in the educator workforce. Author. Retrived from <a href="https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/eval/highered/racial-diversity/state-racial-diversity-workforce.pdf">https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/eval/highered/racial-diversity/state-racial-diversity-workforce.pdf</a>

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Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=21.42">[00:21]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to take another look at a topic related to school and it’s one that you’re going to be able to use very soon. We’re looking at parent teacher conferences. Your conferences in your new school or preschool or maybe classroom within the same school are likely coming up within the next couple of weeks. And these things can be stressful!” We get 10 minutes with a teacher whom we may or may not have had any interaction with beyond, hi, how are you?” And we really have no idea what to expect, so ideally parent teacher conferences shouldn’t just be a one shot opportunity to discuss your child’s progress in school. They should be part of an ongoing conversation about progress in school, but maybe also things happening outside school that are affecting that progress. But how can we know what to expect from these conferences and how can we prepare for them, how can we think about them in the context of all the other interactions that we are or could be having with our child’s school?

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=114.66">[01:54]</a></u>

So we have not one but two guests here today to help us figure this out. We have Dr Maggie Caspe. She’s the director of research and professional learning and the global family research project. She had her masters in education from the Harvard Graduate School of Education and a Ph.D In applied developmental psychology from New York University and Dr Elena Lopez, co-director at the Global Family Research Project. She received her doctorate in social anthropology from Harvard University. Both Dr Caspe and Dr Lopez conduct research on how families, early childhood programs, schools and communities and the relationships between these support children’s learning. The Global Family Research Project prides itself on doing work that is scientifically based, cutting edge, accessible, and practical. It sounds a lot like the goals of this podcast, so I’m so excited to have them here with us. Welcome Dr. Caspe and Dr Lopez.

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=165.18">[02:45]</a></u>

Thanks for having us.

New Speaker: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=166.89">[02:46]</a></u>

So let’s start with a little empathy here. It would be a good place to start. When I was researching this episode, I did a general search for parent teacher conferences just to see what would pop up and several resources for teachers were first on the list. One of the top hits contained this quote. “If there is one part of the school year that strikes fear into the heart of any teacher, it’s parent teacher conference time.” Why are teachers afraid of parent teacher conferences?

Dr. Lopez:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=193.87">[03:13]</a></u>

We’re so glad you started with this question because it lies at the heart of a lot of what we do in our work, which is in part to help prepare school and community educators for family engagement and maybe I can take a quick step back and define what we mean by family engagement. Research shows that family engagement is composed of three main pillars. The first is that it’s a shared responsibility among families, schools, and community to support children’s learning for success in school and in life. In other words, it’s all about relationships and trust and ongoing communication and conversation. Not just families blindly supporting school goals and mandates; it’s more than raising money and joining PGA. It’s the way that families promote and advocate for dirty and it’s the way that schools and other organizations open up their doors to support families in getting the information and support they need and also listening and understanding what parents and families desire.

Dr. Lopez:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=274.48">[04:34]</a></u>

And we also know that family engagement takes place everywhere all the time. Not just in school. There is a statistic we like to quote, which is that of the 6,000 hours of awake time children have available to them and really only 1,000 of those hours are spent in school, so children are learning in a lot of spaces outside school: parks, libraries and the home, so it’s not fruitful or productive to think of family engagement as just taking place in school, but we broaden our notion of family engagement to all these settings as well. And the third pillar is that family engagement, bath waste begin early in birth really and continue all the way through high school. Although the ways in which families are engaged in their children’s learning and social and emotional development will change as children mature. So family engagement is really complex. It is nuanced. It exists across time and space and...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Parent-Teacher conferences are about to be underway in many places, so I thought it might be helpful to give you some resources to make these as productive for you and your child as possible.

In this episode we talk with Dr. Margaret Caspe and Dr. Elena Lopez of the Global Family Research Project, which develops authentic partnerships to support children’s learning in the home, school, and community.  I actually used Dr. Lopez’ textbook for my Master’s in Education, so I’ve been familiar with her work for a while and knew she and her colleagues at GFRP were just the right people to help us learn more about Parent-Teacher conferences (for example, did you know that teachers find them just as scary as parents?!) and understand how to advocate for our child – and for all of the children in our community.

The resource guide on Parent-Teacher Conferences that we reference throughout this episode <a href="https://globalfrp.org/Articles/Parent-Teacher-Conferences-Strategies-for-Principals-Teachers-and-Parents">can be found here</a>.

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<strong>References</strong>
<div>Civil, M., &amp;amp; Quintos, B. (2009). Latina mothers' perceptions about the teaching and learning of mathematics. In B. Greer, S. Mukhopadhyay, A. B. Powell, &amp; S. Nelson-Barber (Eds.), <em>Culturally responsive mathematics education</em> (pp. 321-343). New York: Routledge.</div>
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<div>Charney, R. (2002). Teaching children to care. Greenfield, MA: Northeast Foundation for Children. [note: Dr. Caspe misremembered the title as “The Responsive Classroom.”]</div>
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<div>Dweck, C. (2007). Mindset: The New Psychology of Success. New York: Ballantine. [Note: check out <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/growthmindset/">my episode on this topic</a> before buying this book…]</div>
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George Lucas Educational Foundation (2015, August 24). Having students lead parent conferences. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.edutopia.org/practice/student-led-conferences-empowerment-and-ownership">https://www.edutopia.org/practice/student-led-conferences-empowerment-and-ownership</a>

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Loewus, L. (2017, August 15). The nation’s teaching force is still mostly White and female. Edweek. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017/08/15/the-nations-teaching-force-is-still-mostly.html">https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017/08/15/the-nations-teaching-force-is-still-mostly.html</a>

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McWayne, C. M., Melzi, G., Limlingan, M. C., &amp; Schick, A. (2016). Ecocultural patterns of family engagement among low-income Latino families of preschool children. D<em>evelopmental psychology 52</em>(7), 1088.

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Small, M.L. (2009). <em>Unanticipated gains: Origins of network inequality in everyday life.</em> Oxford, England: Oxford University Press

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Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=21.42">[00:21]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we’re going to take another look at a topic related to school and it’s one that you’re going to be able to use very soon. We’re looking at parent teacher conferences. Your conferences in your new school or preschool or maybe classroom within the same school are likely coming up within the next couple of weeks. And these things can be stressful!” We get 10 minutes with a teacher whom we may or may not have had any interaction with beyond, hi, how are you?” And we really have no idea what to expect, so ideally parent teacher conferences shouldn’t just be a one shot opportunity to discuss your child’s progress in school. They should be part of an ongoing conversation about progress in school, but maybe also things happening outside school that are affecting that progress. But how can we know what to expect from these conferences and how can we prepare for them, how can we think about them in the context of all the other interactions that we are or could be having with our child’s school?

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=114.66">[01:54]</a></u>

So we have not one but two guests here today to help us figure this out. We have Dr Maggie Caspe. She’s the director of research and professional learning and the global family research project. She had her masters in education from the Harvard Graduate School of Education and a Ph.D In applied developmental psychology from New York University and Dr Elena Lopez, co-director at the Global Family Research Project. She received her doctorate in social anthropology from Harvard University. Both Dr Caspe and Dr Lopez conduct research on how families, early childhood programs, schools and communities and the relationships between these support children’s learning. The Global Family Research Project prides itself on doing work that is scientifically based, cutting edge, accessible, and practical. It sounds a lot like the goals of this podcast, so I’m so excited to have them here with us. Welcome Dr. Caspe and Dr Lopez.

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=165.18">[02:45]</a></u>

Thanks for having us.

New Speaker: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=166.89">[02:46]</a></u>

So let’s start with a little empathy here. It would be a good place to start. When I was researching this episode, I did a general search for parent teacher conferences just to see what would pop up and several resources for teachers were first on the list. One of the top hits contained this quote. “If there is one part of the school year that strikes fear into the heart of any teacher, it’s parent teacher conference time.” Why are teachers afraid of parent teacher conferences?

Dr. Lopez:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=193.87">[03:13]</a></u>

We’re so glad you started with this question because it lies at the heart of a lot of what we do in our work, which is in part to help prepare school and community educators for family engagement and maybe I can take a quick step back and define what we mean by family engagement. Research shows that family engagement is composed of three main pillars. The first is that it’s a shared responsibility among families, schools, and community to support children’s learning for success in school and in life. In other words, it’s all about relationships and trust and ongoing communication and conversation. Not just families blindly supporting school goals and mandates; it’s more than raising money and joining PGA. It’s the way that families promote and advocate for dirty and it’s the way that schools and other organizations open up their doors to support families in getting the information and support they need and also listening and understanding what parents and families desire.

Dr. Lopez:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=274.48">[04:34]</a></u>

And we also know that family engagement takes place everywhere all the time. Not just in school. There is a statistic we like to quote, which is that of the 6,000 hours of awake time children have available to them and really only 1,000 of those hours are spent in school, so children are learning in a lot of spaces outside school: parks, libraries and the home, so it’s not fruitful or productive to think of family engagement as just taking place in school, but we broaden our notion of family engagement to all these settings as well. And the third pillar is that family engagement, bath waste begin early in birth really and continue all the way through high school. Although the ways in which families are engaged in their children’s learning and social and emotional development will change as children mature. So family engagement is really complex. It is nuanced. It exists across time and space and it’s constantly spiraling so you can picture a big wide ocean of family engagement and parent teacher conferences are just one ripple of it. They are part of a larger ongoing conversation that is happening between parents and other adults that care for a child. The parent teacher conference ideally is not the first interaction that a parent is having with a teacher, but instead is part of an ongoing dialogue across space and time making. Maggie, do you want to add to that?

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=387.35">[06:27]</a></u>

Thanks for that introduction because I think, Jen, it sort of brings us back a little bit to your original question of why teachers might be afraid of parent teacher conferences and I think what we know is that there are a few things going on. First, you know, we sort of know that for the most part educators are not prepared for family engagement in their foundational coursework and they’re not given a lot of opportunities to learn about how to make families the central part of their practice. It’s funny, so I began my career as a kindergarten teacher and I remember really feeling nervous and petrified during my first parent teacher conferences and in a large part it was – I wasn’t exactly sure what to do. I was really well trained to run reading blocks and engage kids in math and I really felt like I had behavior management strategies down, but the parent teacher conference with something more elusive and for new teachers and even experienced ones I think how you talk with families about what kids are doing, but how they’re doing I think is really hard. And then once you get into the classroom, we know that teachers don’t get a lot of support either in their continuing education around working with families.

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=463.02">[07:43]</a></u>

There’s often very little support from administrators or colleagues to pick up and improve their practice along the way. But I want to reflect on the third problem and I think this really gets to the heart of what makes parent teacher conferences a little bit difficult. And this is that parent teacher conferences really weren’t designed to be a conversation of listening. They were really set up as a hierarchical structure of teachers reporting to families. As you know, quote unquote the professional. What children know and can do. So if you could picture it in your mind. Parents often come to meetings, they sit face to face with a teacher and a chair that their child probably sits in every day in a weird, contorted way, and your goal as the parent is often to talk about your child’s individual experience and development within the school. But as Sarah Lawrence Lightfoot writes in her seminal work, “The Essential conversation,”

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=528.27">[08:48]</a></u>

She looks at how these conversations make parents feel really raw and exposed, and they hear echoes and murmurs of their own past in their own school histories which often leads to these feelings of nervousness and anxiety that you mentioned and teachers maybe not to the same extent. Also feel uncertain, exposed and defensive because this is the place probably more than any, that their confidence in their professionalism might be the most directly challenged. And the other thing that Sarah Lawrence Lightfoot also draws out is during these conversations were actually replaying some of the larger tensions that exist around family engagement in terms of child rearing, race, class culture, language, gender. Who gets to talk and who needs to remain silent and what makes quote unquote a good parent. So all of these things are playing out in this 10 minute conversation and that makes it a little tough.

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=595.35">[09:55]</a></u>

I will say though, I don’t want to end on such a downer, right? A lot of the work that Elena and I do is to reimagine and rethink with family and school communication and the parent teacher conference can look like and you know, there are bright spots and we can talk about those. We know that some places home visits go on or we know that in some school districts there’s been a massive restructuring, so parent teacher conferences are in done individually, but maybe in groups and teams or even text messaging and digital media have really helped support this process. So it’s not all big and nervous. There are bright spots, but there’s a lot that goes on in those 10 minutes.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=637.89">[10:37]</a></u>

Yeah. Thanks for drawing that out a little bit. I think it can really help parents who might have this perception of teachers as sort of a monolithic and to see that are the experts and they know what’s going on and they’d been trained to do this and actually quite possibly they haven’t. And they’re, they’re just as nervous as you are for a variety of the reasons that you mentioned. So going into this conversation with a very open mind and open heart I think can be very helpful thing. So let’s get into some specifics then because before this conversation you sent me an awesome resource that’s called Parent Teacher Conferences: Strategies for Principals, Teachers and Parents, and we’re going to discuss that a lot more in the show and it’s actually available on your site. We’ll put a link in the references to the parents can go and find it. It’s super short, really easy to read and use. And so in it you described the five R’s. Can you tell us what the five R’s please?

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=687.87">[11:27]</a></u>

Yeah, so the five R’s are: Reach Out, Raise Up, Reinforce, Relate and Reimagine. I sometimes pretend I’m doing yoga poses while I say them, but really they’re our way of helping ourselves and others organize and think about the ways to help educators and families share responsibility across time and space. And these really grew out of really in depth interviews and conversations we’ve had with educators over the past few years in a variety of spaces as well as librarians after-school staff to really understand some of those best family engagement strategies and you know, quite simply reaching out means that family engagement programs and resources are accessible to those who often have the most difficulty taking advantage of them. Raising up means that practices, teachers, families work together on two-way communication. Families have an opportunity to share what they know about their children and co-design action plans with teachers.

Dr. Caspe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=756.7">[12:36]</a></u>

And then the third R is really this notion of reinforce and it comes from this idea that we as parents are children’s first teachers and that family’s cultural values, norms, language and contexts always need to be integrated into these types of conversations that families and teachers have. The fourth R is about relationships and it really highlights the value of supporting families in building peer-to-peer networks as well as relationships with their children and finally reimagine is about ways to increase families access to an understanding of information on children’s progress and using really community agencies to help with that.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=798.18">[13:18]</a></u>

Okay. Super. Thanks for that overview and I would like to delve into each of those a little bit more so that we can really get an understanding of what are the tools that we can use to make these parent teacher conferences more productive for everybody. So the first R you said is reaching out and sometimes parents have scheduling problems and they can’t get childcare so they can attend a conference or maybe they can’t get transportation or maybe English isn’t their first language and they just don’t feel comfortable interacting with the teacher. So I’m curious what kinds of reaching out should parents expect to see from their child’s school and what can they do if the resources they need aren’t forthcoming?

Dr. Lopez: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0NX3w3jmamqypEHfg2e_Jn5digRqXTHcYU7Iex57JSMs3eEIFHpGAvcn6Prf3QijeBErra3Pg87w4StcRHWzXiwdGSM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=834.27">[13:54]</a></u>

I’m going to start with what teachers can do and they can be flexible by being available by phone or holding a video conference when an in person meeting doesn’t work for the family and teachers can also spend part off the meeting with parents just getting to know the family better before even talking about a student’s academic progress. So one thing that teachers can consider us long as the proper releases are signed is still allowed parents or guardians to bring another family member or friend, if that helps them feel more comfortable, especially if that person that they are taking along with them can help with translation and principals also have a role in...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/conferences]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2456</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:37:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ba766bbf-7a5b-4bac-87b0-6e2b62356478/parent-teacher-conferencesupdated.mp3" length="64021859" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</title><itunes:title>075: Should we Go Ahead and Heap Rewards On Our Kid?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[A couple of months ago, an article by journalist Melinda Wenner Moyer – whose work I normally greatly respect – started making the rounds on Facebook. Then (knowing my approach to parenting) a couple of readers emailed it to me and asked me what I thought of it.

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The article was called <a href="https://amp.slate.com/articles/life/the_kids/2017/08/rewards_systems_for_kids_are_effective_if_you_use_them_correctly.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Go Ahead: Heap Rewards On Your Kid</a>, with the subtitle: Parents are told stickers and trinkets for good behavior will ruin their children—but the research is wildly misunderstood.

&nbsp;

Moyer’s main point is that while a large number of sources state that rewards are detrimental to children’s development (largely to their intrinsic motivation), “the literature on the potential dangers of rewards has been misinterpreted while the findings on its benefits have been largely overlooked.”

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I had already done <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">an episode on the negative impact of rewards on children’s development</a>. I was prepared to wholeheartedly disagree with Moyer’s article. But I came out of it sort of half-convinced that she <em>might</em> be right.

&nbsp;

So I came up with a two-pronged approach to the research for this episode. Firstly, I would dig into all the research that she read (and some more besides) to fully understand the evidence she consults, with one guiding premise:

<strong>Is it possible that Moyer is right?</strong> Is it possible that rewards have some benefit for children and for families?

And secondly, I wanted to ask Alfie Kohn – the author of Punished by Rewards – to address these issues in-person.

<em>Spoiler alert: heaping rewards on your kid is great for gaining compliance. If compliance is what you want in your child.</em>

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Because it turns out that the desire to raise an independent, thoughtful adult with strong critical reasoning skills isn’t so well aligned with rewarding a child for complying with your wishes.

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Barkley, R.A., &amp; Benton, C.M. (2013). Your defiant child: 8 steps to better behavior. New York, NY: Guilford.

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Cameron, J., Banko, K.M., &amp; Pierce, W.D. (2001). Pervasive negative effects of extrinsic motivation: The myth continues. The Behavior Analyst 24(1), 1-44.

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Deci, E.L., Koestner, R., &amp; Ryan, E.M. (1999). A meta-analytic review of experiments examining the effects of extrinsic rewards on intrinsic motivation. Psychological Bulletin 125, 627-688.

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Flora, S.R., &amp; Flora, D.B. (1999). Effects of intrinsic reinforcement for reading during childhood on reported reading habits of college students. The Psychological Record 49, 3-14.

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Hidi, S. (2016). Revisiting the role of rewards in motivation and learning: Implications of neuroscientific research. Educational Psychology Review 28, 61-93.

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Kazdin, A.E. (2008). The Kazdin method for parenting the defiant child. New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin.

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Kohn, A. (1999). Punished by rewards: The trouble with gold stars, incentive plans, As, praise, and other bribes. New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin.

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Kohn, A. (2016). The myth of the spoiled child: Coddled kids, helicopter parents, and other phony crises. Boston, MA: Beacon.

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Legault, L., Green-Demers, I., Grant, P., &amp; Chung, J. (2007). On the self-regulation of implicit and explicit prejudice: A self-determination theory perspective. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 33(5), 742-749.

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Legault, L. (2016). Intrinsic and extrinsic motivation. In V. Zeigler-Hill &amp; T.K. Shackelford (Eds.)., Encyclopedia of personality and individual differences. New York, NY: Springer.

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MacIntyre, A. (1981). After Virtue. Notre Dame, IN: University of Notre Dame Press.

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Moyer, M.W. (2017, August 22). Go ahead, heap rewards on your child. Slate. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_kids/2017/08/rewards_systems_for_kids_are_effective_if_you_use_them_correctly.html?via=gdpr-consent" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_kids/2017/08/rewards_systems_for_kids_are_effective_if_you_use_them_correctly.html?via=gdpr-consent</a>

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Wrzesniewski, A., &amp; Dutton, J. E. (2001). Crafting a job: Revisioning employees as

active crafters of their work. <em>Academy of Management Review, 26, </em>179-201]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[A couple of months ago, an article by journalist Melinda Wenner Moyer – whose work I normally greatly respect – started making the rounds on Facebook. Then (knowing my approach to parenting) a couple of readers emailed it to me and asked me what I thought of it.

&nbsp;

The article was called <a href="https://amp.slate.com/articles/life/the_kids/2017/08/rewards_systems_for_kids_are_effective_if_you_use_them_correctly.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Go Ahead: Heap Rewards On Your Kid</a>, with the subtitle: Parents are told stickers and trinkets for good behavior will ruin their children—but the research is wildly misunderstood.

&nbsp;

Moyer’s main point is that while a large number of sources state that rewards are detrimental to children’s development (largely to their intrinsic motivation), “the literature on the potential dangers of rewards has been misinterpreted while the findings on its benefits have been largely overlooked.”

&nbsp;

I had already done <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">an episode on the negative impact of rewards on children’s development</a>. I was prepared to wholeheartedly disagree with Moyer’s article. But I came out of it sort of half-convinced that she <em>might</em> be right.

&nbsp;

So I came up with a two-pronged approach to the research for this episode. Firstly, I would dig into all the research that she read (and some more besides) to fully understand the evidence she consults, with one guiding premise:

<strong>Is it possible that Moyer is right?</strong> Is it possible that rewards have some benefit for children and for families?

And secondly, I wanted to ask Alfie Kohn – the author of Punished by Rewards – to address these issues in-person.

<em>Spoiler alert: heaping rewards on your kid is great for gaining compliance. If compliance is what you want in your child.</em>

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Get a free guide called How to Stop Using Rewards To Gain Your Child’s Compliance (And what to do instead)</strong></h3>
To tie in to this week’s episode, I have a FREE guide called <strong>How to Stop Using Rewards To Gain Your Child’s Compliance (And what to do instead)</strong> available as a preview of the membership group content. Each month you’ll get a guide just like this, walking you through a different aspect of parenting and helping you to make the changes needed to make sure your day-to-day-parenting is in line with your goals for the kind of child you want to raise.

&nbsp;

Because it turns out that the desire to raise an independent, thoughtful adult with strong critical reasoning skills isn’t so well aligned with rewarding a child for complying with your wishes.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Mr. Alfie Kohn's Book</strong></h3>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3OuJc25">Punished by rewards: Twenty-fifth anniversary edition: The trouble with gold stars, incentive plans, As, praise, and other bribes</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

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The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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<strong>References</strong>

Barkley, R.A., &amp; Benton, C.M. (2013). Your defiant child: 8 steps to better behavior. New York, NY: Guilford.

<hr />

Cameron, J., Banko, K.M., &amp; Pierce, W.D. (2001). Pervasive negative effects of extrinsic motivation: The myth continues. The Behavior Analyst 24(1), 1-44.

<hr />

Deci, E.L., Koestner, R., &amp; Ryan, E.M. (1999). A meta-analytic review of experiments examining the effects of extrinsic rewards on intrinsic motivation. Psychological Bulletin 125, 627-688.

<hr />

Flora, S.R., &amp; Flora, D.B. (1999). Effects of intrinsic reinforcement for reading during childhood on reported reading habits of college students. The Psychological Record 49, 3-14.

<hr />

Hidi, S. (2016). Revisiting the role of rewards in motivation and learning: Implications of neuroscientific research. Educational Psychology Review 28, 61-93.

<hr />

Kazdin, A.E. (2008). The Kazdin method for parenting the defiant child. New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin.

<hr />

Kohn, A. (1999). Punished by rewards: The trouble with gold stars, incentive plans, As, praise, and other bribes. New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin.

<hr />

Kohn, A. (2016). The myth of the spoiled child: Coddled kids, helicopter parents, and other phony crises. Boston, MA: Beacon.

<hr />

Legault, L., Green-Demers, I., Grant, P., &amp; Chung, J. (2007). On the self-regulation of implicit and explicit prejudice: A self-determination theory perspective. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 33(5), 742-749.

<hr />

Legault, L. (2016). Intrinsic and extrinsic motivation. In V. Zeigler-Hill &amp; T.K. Shackelford (Eds.)., Encyclopedia of personality and individual differences. New York, NY: Springer.

<hr />

MacIntyre, A. (1981). After Virtue. Notre Dame, IN: University of Notre Dame Press.

<hr />

Moyer, M.W. (2017, August 22). Go ahead, heap rewards on your child. Slate. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_kids/2017/08/rewards_systems_for_kids_are_effective_if_you_use_them_correctly.html?via=gdpr-consent" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_kids/2017/08/rewards_systems_for_kids_are_effective_if_you_use_them_correctly.html?via=gdpr-consent</a>

<hr />

Wrzesniewski, A., &amp; Dutton, J. E. (2001). Crafting a job: Revisioning employees as

active crafters of their work. <em>Academy of Management Review, 26, </em>179-201]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/rewards]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2425</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f1630302-814e-46e7-98c2-a9175bb70413/rewardsfinal.mp3" length="69124099" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:12:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>75</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>75</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/3807cde2-ce13-4672-9ade-77df92e3a38c/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>074: Attachment: What it is, what it’s not, how to do it, and how to stop stressing about it</title><itunes:title>074: Attachment: What it is, what it’s not, how to do it, and how to stop stressing about it</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<em>Is attachment the same as bonding? </em>

<em>Can I have a healthy attachment with my baby if I don’t breastfeed?</em>

<em>Do I have to babywear to develop an attachment to my baby?</em>

<em>Will being apart from my baby disrupt our attachment relationship?</em>

<em>Is co-sleeping critical to attachment?</em>

&nbsp;

These are just a few of the questions that listeners wrote to me after I sent out a call for questions on Attachment. This was such an enormous topic to cover that <a href="https://www.gc.cuny.edu/Page-Elements/Academics-Research-Centers-Initiatives/Doctoral-Programs/Psychology/Faculty-Bios/Arietta-Slade" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Dr. Arietta Slade</a> and I did the best we could in the time we had, and we did indeed cover a lot of ground.

If you’ve ever been curious about the scientific evidence on how attachment forms, what are its benefits, and what it has NOT been shown to do, this is the episode for you. We also cover reflective functioning, one of the central ways that the attachment relationship develops, and discuss how to improve our skills in this arena.

&nbsp;

Check this episode for more attachment research: <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachmentresearch/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><em>Most of what you know about attachment is probably wrong</em></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Arietta Slade's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3Xrkfsh">Attachment in therapeutic practice</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Ainsworth, M. D. S., Blehar, M. C., Waters, E., &amp; Wall, S. (1978). <em>Patterns of attachment: A psychological study of the strange situation</em>. Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum.

<hr />

Benoit, D. (2004). Infant-parent attachment: Definition, types, antecedents, measurement and outcome. Pediatric Child Health 9(8), 541-545.

<hr />

Bowlby, J. (1973/1991). <em>Attachment and Loss: Volume 2. Separation: Anxiety and anger.</em> London, U.K.: Penguin.

<hr />

Bowlby, J. (1971/1991). <em>Attachment and Loss: Volume 1. Attachment.</em> London, U.K.: Penguin.

<hr />

Cassidy, J. (2008). The nature of the child’s ties. In J. Cassidy &amp; P.R. Shaver (Eds.) <em>Handbook of Attachment</em> (pp.3-22). New York, NY: Guilford.

<hr />

Greenspan, S.H. &amp; Salmon, J. (2002). <em>The four-thirds solution: Solving the childcare crisis in America today.</em> Boston, MA: Da Capo [Note that Dr. Slade mis-remembered the title of this book as “The Three Fourths Solution”]

<hr />

Hudson, N.W., &amp; Fraley, R.C. (2018). Moving toward greater security: The effects of repeatedly priming attachment security and anxiety. <em>Journal of Research in Personality 74</em>, 147-157.

<hr />

Jones, J.D., Brett, B.E., Ehrlich, K.B., Lejuez, C.W., &amp; Cassidy, J. (2014). Maternal attachment style and responses to adolescents’ negative emotions: The mediating role of maternal emotion regulation. <em>Parenting: Science and Practice 14</em>, 235-257.

<hr />

Julian, T.W., McKenry, P.C., &amp; McKelvey, M.W. (1994). Cultural variations in parenting: Perceptions of Caucasian, African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American parents. <em>Family Relations 43</em>(1), 30-37.

<hr />

LeVine, R.A., &amp; Levine, S. (2016). <em>Do parents matter? Why Japanese babies sleep soundly, Mexican siblings don’t fight, and American families should just relax.</em> New York, NY: PublicAffairs.

<hr />

Marvin, R.S., &amp; Britner, P.A. (2008). Normative Development: The ontogeny of attachment. In J. Cassidy &amp; P.R. Shaver (Eds.) <em>Handbook of Attachment</em> (pp.269-294). New York, NY: Guilford.

<hr />

Nicholson, B., &amp; Parker, L. (2013). How did attachment parenting originate? Attached at the heart. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/</a>

<hr />

Raby, K.L., Roisman, G.I., Labella, M.H., Martin, J., Fraley, R.C., &amp; Simpson, J.A. (2018). The legacy of early abuse and neglect for social and academic competence from childhood to adulthood. Online first. Retrieved from <a href="https://socialinteractionlab.dl.umn.edu/sites/g/files/pua1356/f/2018/Raby%20et%20al%20%28CD%2C%202018%29.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://socialinteractionlab.dl.umn.edu/sites/g/files/pua1356/f/2018/Raby%20et%20al%20%28CD%2C%202018%29.pdf</a>

<hr />

Sadler, L.S., Slade, A., &amp; Mayes, L.C. (2006). Minding the Baby: A mentalization-based parenting Program. In J.G. Allen &amp; P. Fonagy (Eds.), <em>The handbook of mentalization-based treatment</em> (pp.271-288). Chichester, U.K.: John Wiley &amp; Sons.

<hr />

Slade, A. (2014). Imagining fear: Attachment, threat, and psychic experience. <em>Psychoanalytic Dialogues 24</em>(3), 253-266.

<hr />

Slade, A. (2005). Parental reflective functioning: An introduction. <em>Attachment &amp; Human Development 7</em>(3), 269-281.

<hr />

Slade, A., Sadler, L., Dios-Kenn, C.D., Webb, D., Currier-Ezepchick, J., &amp; Mayes, L. (2005). Minding the Baby: A reflective parenting program. <em>The Psychoanalytic Study of the Child 60</em>, 74-100.

<hr />

Slade, A. (2002). Keeping the baby in mind: A critical factor in perinatal mental health. <em>Zero to Three</em>. June/July, 10-16.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

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Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.85" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[00:37]</u></a>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we have an absolutely gigantic topic together and we have a giant in the academic world to help us think through some vet as well. I’d like to welcome Dr Arietta Slade, clinical professor at the Yale Child Study Center and Professor Emeritus in the doctoral program in Clinical Psychology at the City University of New York, and she is here today to talk with us on the topic of attachment theory. She’s an internationally recognized theoretician clinician, researcher and teacher. She’s published widely on reflective parenting, the clinical implications of attachment theory, the development of parental mentalization and the relational context of early symbolization. For the last 13 years, she has co-directed Minding the Baby, which is an interdisciplinary reflective parenting home visiting program for high risk mothers, infants, and their families at the Yale Child Study Center and School of Nursing. This program is one of only 18 certified evidence based home visiting programs in the United States.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.49" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:37]</u></a>

Now, it does seem to be slightly ambitious to try and cover 60 plus years of research on attachment, which has been conducted by Dr Slade as well as other researchers in a single show, but we’re going to give it a shot. Welcome Dr Slade.

Dr. Slade:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.46" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:49]</u></a>

Hello. How are you today, Jen?

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.15" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:51]</u></a>

Great. Thanks so much for being with us. So I wonder if we can start all the way at the very beginning. What is attachment and why is it important?

Dr. Slade:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.55" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:58]</u></a>

Well, as you indicated in your introduction, it’s both a really huge topic and a very simple set of ideas. I mean, it’s a huge topic in that it’s been studied for, as you said, 60 years and it’s actually more like 80 years, but at the same time it comprises a set of really simple and accessible ideas and the central idea in attachment theory and has guided a tremendous amount of attachment research.

Dr. Slade:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.44" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[02:24]</u></a>

There’s three or four, several key ideas. The first is that children, infants, in particular, human infants are born with a predisposition to become connected, to attach to, the people who take care of them, you know, and this is something that is present at birth and an infant is born with a number of ways to signal the people who are caring for him or her about their needs and their desires and their needs for safety and closeness. And these are signaled very, very early on. And this is essentially a biological given that individuals are born with. And there are plenty of other mammalian species that are born with the capacity to develop attachments.

Dr. Slade:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.971" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[03:00]</u></a>

One of the main components of detachment system is to protect the child from danger so that the child is able from early on to signal alarmed, to reach out with his hands, to look at the parent, to call to the parent saying, I need help. I need comfort, I need]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<em>Is attachment the same as bonding? </em>

<em>Can I have a healthy attachment with my baby if I don’t breastfeed?</em>

<em>Do I have to babywear to develop an attachment to my baby?</em>

<em>Will being apart from my baby disrupt our attachment relationship?</em>

<em>Is co-sleeping critical to attachment?</em>

&nbsp;

These are just a few of the questions that listeners wrote to me after I sent out a call for questions on Attachment. This was such an enormous topic to cover that <a href="https://www.gc.cuny.edu/Page-Elements/Academics-Research-Centers-Initiatives/Doctoral-Programs/Psychology/Faculty-Bios/Arietta-Slade" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Dr. Arietta Slade</a> and I did the best we could in the time we had, and we did indeed cover a lot of ground.

If you’ve ever been curious about the scientific evidence on how attachment forms, what are its benefits, and what it has NOT been shown to do, this is the episode for you. We also cover reflective functioning, one of the central ways that the attachment relationship develops, and discuss how to improve our skills in this arena.

&nbsp;

Check this episode for more attachment research: <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/attachmentresearch/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><em>Most of what you know about attachment is probably wrong</em></a>

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Arietta Slade's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3Xrkfsh">Attachment in therapeutic practice</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Ainsworth, M. D. S., Blehar, M. C., Waters, E., &amp; Wall, S. (1978). <em>Patterns of attachment: A psychological study of the strange situation</em>. Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum.

<hr />

Benoit, D. (2004). Infant-parent attachment: Definition, types, antecedents, measurement and outcome. Pediatric Child Health 9(8), 541-545.

<hr />

Bowlby, J. (1973/1991). <em>Attachment and Loss: Volume 2. Separation: Anxiety and anger.</em> London, U.K.: Penguin.

<hr />

Bowlby, J. (1971/1991). <em>Attachment and Loss: Volume 1. Attachment.</em> London, U.K.: Penguin.

<hr />

Cassidy, J. (2008). The nature of the child’s ties. In J. Cassidy &amp; P.R. Shaver (Eds.) <em>Handbook of Attachment</em> (pp.3-22). New York, NY: Guilford.

<hr />

Greenspan, S.H. &amp; Salmon, J. (2002). <em>The four-thirds solution: Solving the childcare crisis in America today.</em> Boston, MA: Da Capo [Note that Dr. Slade mis-remembered the title of this book as “The Three Fourths Solution”]

<hr />

Hudson, N.W., &amp; Fraley, R.C. (2018). Moving toward greater security: The effects of repeatedly priming attachment security and anxiety. <em>Journal of Research in Personality 74</em>, 147-157.

<hr />

Jones, J.D., Brett, B.E., Ehrlich, K.B., Lejuez, C.W., &amp; Cassidy, J. (2014). Maternal attachment style and responses to adolescents’ negative emotions: The mediating role of maternal emotion regulation. <em>Parenting: Science and Practice 14</em>, 235-257.

<hr />

Julian, T.W., McKenry, P.C., &amp; McKelvey, M.W. (1994). Cultural variations in parenting: Perceptions of Caucasian, African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American parents. <em>Family Relations 43</em>(1), 30-37.

<hr />

LeVine, R.A., &amp; Levine, S. (2016). <em>Do parents matter? Why Japanese babies sleep soundly, Mexican siblings don’t fight, and American families should just relax.</em> New York, NY: PublicAffairs.

<hr />

Marvin, R.S., &amp; Britner, P.A. (2008). Normative Development: The ontogeny of attachment. In J. Cassidy &amp; P.R. Shaver (Eds.) <em>Handbook of Attachment</em> (pp.269-294). New York, NY: Guilford.

<hr />

Nicholson, B., &amp; Parker, L. (2013). How did attachment parenting originate? Attached at the heart. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/</a>

<hr />

Raby, K.L., Roisman, G.I., Labella, M.H., Martin, J., Fraley, R.C., &amp; Simpson, J.A. (2018). The legacy of early abuse and neglect for social and academic competence from childhood to adulthood. Online first. Retrieved from <a href="https://socialinteractionlab.dl.umn.edu/sites/g/files/pua1356/f/2018/Raby%20et%20al%20%28CD%2C%202018%29.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://socialinteractionlab.dl.umn.edu/sites/g/files/pua1356/f/2018/Raby%20et%20al%20%28CD%2C%202018%29.pdf</a>

<hr />

Sadler, L.S., Slade, A., &amp; Mayes, L.C. (2006). Minding the Baby: A mentalization-based parenting Program. In J.G. Allen &amp; P. Fonagy (Eds.), <em>The handbook of mentalization-based treatment</em> (pp.271-288). Chichester, U.K.: John Wiley &amp; Sons.

<hr />

Slade, A. (2014). Imagining fear: Attachment, threat, and psychic experience. <em>Psychoanalytic Dialogues 24</em>(3), 253-266.

<hr />

Slade, A. (2005). Parental reflective functioning: An introduction. <em>Attachment &amp; Human Development 7</em>(3), 269-281.

<hr />

Slade, A., Sadler, L., Dios-Kenn, C.D., Webb, D., Currier-Ezepchick, J., &amp; Mayes, L. (2005). Minding the Baby: A reflective parenting program. <em>The Psychoanalytic Study of the Child 60</em>, 74-100.

<hr />

Slade, A. (2002). Keeping the baby in mind: A critical factor in perinatal mental health. <em>Zero to Three</em>. June/July, 10-16.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

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<strong>Transcript</strong>

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.85" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[00:37]</u></a>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we have an absolutely gigantic topic together and we have a giant in the academic world to help us think through some vet as well. I’d like to welcome Dr Arietta Slade, clinical professor at the Yale Child Study Center and Professor Emeritus in the doctoral program in Clinical Psychology at the City University of New York, and she is here today to talk with us on the topic of attachment theory. She’s an internationally recognized theoretician clinician, researcher and teacher. She’s published widely on reflective parenting, the clinical implications of attachment theory, the development of parental mentalization and the relational context of early symbolization. For the last 13 years, she has co-directed Minding the Baby, which is an interdisciplinary reflective parenting home visiting program for high risk mothers, infants, and their families at the Yale Child Study Center and School of Nursing. This program is one of only 18 certified evidence based home visiting programs in the United States.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.49" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:37]</u></a>

Now, it does seem to be slightly ambitious to try and cover 60 plus years of research on attachment, which has been conducted by Dr Slade as well as other researchers in a single show, but we’re going to give it a shot. Welcome Dr Slade.

Dr. Slade:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.46" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:49]</u></a>

Hello. How are you today, Jen?

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.15" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:51]</u></a>

Great. Thanks so much for being with us. So I wonder if we can start all the way at the very beginning. What is attachment and why is it important?

Dr. Slade:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.55" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[01:58]</u></a>

Well, as you indicated in your introduction, it’s both a really huge topic and a very simple set of ideas. I mean, it’s a huge topic in that it’s been studied for, as you said, 60 years and it’s actually more like 80 years, but at the same time it comprises a set of really simple and accessible ideas and the central idea in attachment theory and has guided a tremendous amount of attachment research.

Dr. Slade:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.44" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[02:24]</u></a>

There’s three or four, several key ideas. The first is that children, infants, in particular, human infants are born with a predisposition to become connected, to attach to, the people who take care of them, you know, and this is something that is present at birth and an infant is born with a number of ways to signal the people who are caring for him or her about their needs and their desires and their needs for safety and closeness. And these are signaled very, very early on. And this is essentially a biological given that individuals are born with. And there are plenty of other mammalian species that are born with the capacity to develop attachments.

Dr. Slade:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.971" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[03:00]</u></a>

One of the main components of detachment system is to protect the child from danger so that the child is able from early on to signal alarmed, to reach out with his hands, to look at the parent, to call to the parent saying, I need help. I need comfort, I need to be protected. And that is a very strong component of the attachment system and that, as I said, is present from birth, and the second element of the attachment system is that when the child feels safe and protected, they are also biologically predisposed to explore their environment. You know, once they feel safe, they can go out and they can explore the world and they can even when they’re infants, they can explore the world with their eyes. They can explore the world with their hands. They can explore the world with their mouths and all of these efforts or efforts to learn about the world in which they are living, you know, in which they live from day one.

Dr. Slade:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=233.74" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[03:53]</u></a>

So attachment brings them close to the caregiver. It makes them feel safe. At the same time, the safety that comes from attachment allows them to go out and explore the world and learn about the world and much of their learning about the world comes through exploration of the world and then another element of their learning about the world comes through the relationship with their parents who signal to them, this is important. This is something you should know. This is something I’m interested in. This is something you should be interested in, and much of this takes place non-verbally. Some of course takes place when the child, gets older verbally, but there are a variety of ways that the parent communicates to the child. This is a world in which you and I live and these are the things in our world that it’s important for you to know, so that’s another element of the attachment system.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=280.57" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[04:40]</u></a>

I wonder if you can tell us more about what are some of those ways that parents do that, particularly the nonverbal ways they communicate with children that this is the world that we live in and these are the parameters of it.

Dr. Slade:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=290.92" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[04:50</u></a>

Well, there are a number of ways that parents communicate with infants from the earliest days, and I’m sure you know this from your own interactions with your own children, with other people that when adult speak to children, they tend to exaggerate their facial expressions. They slow down the pace of their voice, they exaggerate the vowels and their speeches is notably different and it’s been called Motherese and Baby Speech and so on for many, many years. But they do a variety of things to signal, to really pace their information at a level that the child can grasp, to pace their, you know, like, “Oh wow, that’s big” [speaking slowly].

Dr. Slade:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=332.35" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[05:32]</u></a>

You know, and that slows down the pace of information because the child obviously as an infant processes things more slowly. But there are a number of ways that parents communicate things nonverbally, you know, which is that when you moved toward that part of the room, I grimace. And when you reach for that toy, I tense and when I’m holding you in my arms and you cry, I get rigid. There are all these ways that a mother or father or parent caregiver communicates through their body. This is something I want you to attend to or this is something unacceptable and there you know so much of the research over the last, I don’t know, I want to say 40 years now, 30 years on mother-child interaction and parent child interactions has really documented that there’s a whole bunch of communication that takes place between parent and child that is completely out of our view. Only when you really slow down the videotape as it were and watch that baby initiate some other looks away, baby tries again.

Dr. Slade:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=395.42" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[06:35]</u></a>

Mother looks away or baby initiates. Mother expands, baby expands, mother expands. All of those things happen again at a level that we might not see with the naked eye, but is one in which babies really received communication from the environment in a number of subtle ways. The simplest way to talk about it as of course nonverbal communication, but babies know when they’re being attuned to, they know when they’re not being attuned to. You know, when the caregiver has gone flat or when the caregiver turns away or when the is disinterested and all these are powerful messages that teach the baby about the parent, about themselves, about the world.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=433.191" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[07:13]</u></a>

Yeah. I guess I, I was not terribly insightful parent when my daughter was that old. I don’t think. And it’s almost mind boggling to wonder what she might have picked up from me when she was that age.

Dr. Slade:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=448.82" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[07:28]</u></a>

Well, you know, that’s really the enormous responsibility of parenting and of course there are a million things we don’t want to communicate to our children and there are a million things we communicate to them anyway, and there are a lot of wonderful things that we communicate to children and you know, it’s always important to remember that infants are enormously robust. They’re very good at reading a diverse array of signals. It takes a lot of problematic communications to really disrupt them. And it’s not as if, if you think of him as little computers, they’re very good learners, but they’re also very robust learners so that it’s not that, you know, there’s a researcher who did so much important work in this area named Daniel Stern and he’s one of the people who pioneered these micro analytic studies back in the seventies.

Dr. Slade:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=499.43" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[08:19]</u></a>

One of the things he really made clear is that, you know, essentially when in an anomalous thing happens between a parent and the child and the child sort of goes at first. So that wasn’t normal. That’s not mom, you know. And if it happens again, it’s like, oh, well. And then if it happens, you know, like 40 times it’s like, oh, well maybe I need to like develop a different kind of view of this situation because there’s been enough information to make me see it differently. But in general, I think it’s burdensome for parents to feel like every little thing they do is going to change the course of their child’s life because of the fact is it’s the buildup of things over time that really make for a relationship that make for an attachment a that make for a child’s sense of who they are.

Dr. Slade:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=539.55" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[08:59]</u></a>

Sixty to 70 percent of children living in low risk environments feel safe in the world, feels secure in their attachments, feel loved and taken care of and supported. And it’s not hard to feel securely attached, you know, and that most environments, depending on the culture, have ways of making children feel secure, if you know what I mean. It’s not something that’s so delicate. It’s a very robust biological system because it’s best for children if they do feel safe and taken care of and understood. And therefore there are pretty able to extract from the environment “I’m safe, I feel, you know, I’m taking care of and I feel understood.” There’s a couple more points I wanted to make while I was defining attachments. So back to that for sec. A child is born with an active attachment system, which means that depending on their age, they have a variety of signals that are age appropriate to signal the caregiver.

Dr. Slade:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/E3jdfF7-2-44AkmcwHB1PD5TfGYJXSgVopOWkkhGBFkdh2nXs1APeoIBS3TfRzJWdE7SlHGIynEWa_5zxvHgCe0gNt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=594.24" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><u>[09:54]</u></a>

One of the functions of that is to protect them from danger. Another function of the attachment system, if you will, is to bring them into contact with their humanity. Children learn who they are, how they feel, what’s going on inside of them, what they like, what they don’t like, through interactions with their caregivers. You know, it’s the mom who says “you hate asparagus,” you know, well that’s hate and that’s asparagus. That kind of learning about my own internal, you know, the infant’s learning about his or her own internal experience takes place in the relationship. And so essentially I think about the attachment system is functioning first to facilitate protection, but also to develop the relationships that are key to a child’s...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/attachment]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2365</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2018 22:18:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c73bdbcf-3132-4dc3-bc5b-4403e183a0d7/attachment.mp3" length="52478874" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Is attachment the same as bonding? 
Can I have a healthy attachment with my baby if I don’t breastfeed?
Do I have to babywear to develop an attachment to my baby?
Will being apart from my baby disrupt our attachment relationship?
Is co-sleeping critical to attachment?
 
These are just a few of the questions that listeners wrote to me after I sent out a call for questions on Attachment.  This was such an enormous topic to cover that https://www.gc.cuny.edu/Page-Elements/Academics-Research-Centers-Initiatives/Doctoral-Programs/Psychology/Faculty-Bios/Arietta-Slade (Dr. Arietta Slade) and I did the best we could in the time we had, and we did indeed cover a lot of ground.
If you’ve ever been curious about the scientific evidence on how attachment forms, what are its benefits, and what it has NOT been shown to do, this is the episode for you.  We also cover reflective functioning, one of the central ways that the attachment relationship develops, and discuss how to improve our skills in this arena.

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Benoit, D. (2004). Infant-parent attachment: Definition, types, antecedents, measurement and outcome. Pediatric Child Health 9(8), 541-545.
Bowlby, J. (1973/1991). Attachment and Loss: Volume 2. Separation: Anxiety and anger. London, U.K.: Penguin.
Bowlby, J. (1971/1991). Attachment and Loss: Volume 1. Attachment. London, U.K.: Penguin.
Cassidy, J. (2008). The nature of the child’s ties. In J. Cassidy and P.R. Shaver (Eds.) Handbook of Attachment (pp.3-22). New York, NY: Guilford.
Greenspan, S.H. and Salmon, J. (2002). The four-thirds solution: Solving the childcare crisis in America today. Boston, MA: Da Capo [Note that Dr. Slade mis-remembered the title of this book as “The Three Fourths Solution”]
Hudson, N.W., and Fraley, R.C. (2018). Moving toward greater security: The effects of repeatedly priming attachment security and anxiety. Journal of Research in Personality 74, 147-157.
Jones, J.D., Brett, B.E., Ehrlich, K.B., Lejuez, C.W., and Cassidy, J. (2014). Maternal attachment style and responses to adolescents’ negative emotions: The mediating role of maternal emotion regulation. Parenting: Science and Practice 14, 235-257.
Julian, T.W., McKenry, P.C., and McKelvey, M.W. (1994). Cultural variations in parenting: Perceptions of Caucasian, African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American parents. Family Relations 43(1), 30-37.
LeVine, R.A., and Levine, S. (2016). Do parents matter? Why Japanese babies sleep soundly, Mexican siblings don’t fight, and American families should just relax. New York, NY: PublicAffairs.
Marvin, R.S., and Britner, P.A. (2008). Normative Development: The ontogeny of attachment. In J. Cassidy and P.R. Shaver (Eds.) Handbook of Attachment (pp.269-294). New York, NY: Guilford.
Nicholson, B., and Parker, L. (2013). How did attachment parenting originate? Attached at the heart. Retrieved from: http://www.attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/ (www.attachedattheheart.attachmentparenting.org/faq/)
Raby, K.L., Roisman, G.I., Labella, M.H., Martin, J., Fraley, R.C., and Simpson, J.A. (2018). The legacy of early abuse and neglect for social and academic competence from childhood to adulthood. Online first. Retrieved from https://socialinteractionlab.dl.umn.edu/sites/g/files/pua1356/f/2018/Raby%20et%20al%20%28CD%2C%202018%29.pdf (https://socialinteractionlab.dl.umn.edu/sites/g/files/pua1356/f/2018/Raby%20et%20al%20%28CD%2C%202018%29.pdf)
Sadler, L.S., Slade, A., and Mayes, L.C. (2006). Minding the Baby: A mentalization-based parenting Program. In J.G. Allen and P. Fonagy (Eds.),</itunes:summary></item><item><title>073: What to do when your child refuses to go to school</title><itunes:title>073: What to do when your child refuses to go to school</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We’re a couple of weeks into the new school year by now and I hope that for most of you the morning drop-offs have gotten a bit easier than they were in the beginning.

But some of you may still be struggling with a child who doesn’t want to go to school, who resists you leaving at drop-0ff time, and who might be suddenly suffering from stomachaches and headaches (particularly on Sunday nights or weekday mornings) that had not previously been a problem.

Today’s interview with <a href="http://www.changeanxiety.com/about.htm#Dalton">Dr. Jonathan Dalton</a>, director of the Center for Anxiety and Behavioral Change in Rockville, MD is going to help us understand whether our child is having a ‘normal’ amount of difficulty transitioning to school or if they are struggling enough that they might need extra help – and if so, what to do about it.

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<strong>References</strong>

Bergin, C., &amp; Bergin, D. (2009). Attachment in the classroom. <em>Educational Psychology Review 21</em>, 141-170.

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Dalton, J., &amp; Beacon, V. (2018). School refusal. In D. Driver &amp; S.S. Thomas (Eds.), Complex disorders in pediatric psychiatry: A clinician’s guide (pp 11-22). St. Louis, MO: Elsevier.

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Egger, H.L., Costello, J., &amp; Angold, A. (2003). School refusal and psychiatric disorders: A community study. <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry 42</em>(7), 797-807.

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Hallinan, M.T. (2008). Teacher influences on students’ attachment to school. <em>Sociology of Education 81</em>, 271-283.

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Hamre, B.K., &amp; Pianta, R.C. (2001). Early teacher-child relationships and the trajectory of children’s school outcomes through eighth grade. <em>Child Development 72</em>(2), 625-638.

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Houts, R.M., Caspi, A., Pianta, R.C., Arseneault, L., &amp; Moffitt, T.E. (2010) The challenging pupil in the classroom: The effect of the child on the teacher. <em>Psychological Science 21</em>(12), 1802-1810.

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Jerome, E.M., Hamre, B.K., &amp; Pianta, R.C. (2009). Teacher-child relationships from kindergarten to sixth grade: Early childhood predictors of teacher-perceived conflict and closeness.<em> Social Development 18</em>(4), 915-945.

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Kearney, C.A. (2016). <em>Managing school-based absenteeism at multiple tiers: An evidence-based and practical guide for professionals</em>. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

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Kearney, C.A., &amp; Albano, A.M. (2007). <em>When children refuse school: A cognitive-behavioral therapy approach, Therapist guide</em> (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

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Kearney, C.A. (2006). Dealing with school refusal behavior: A primer for family physicians. <em>Family Practice 55</em>(8), 685-692.

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Kearney, C.A. (2002). Identifying the function of school refusal behavior: A revision of the school refusal assessment scale. <em>Journal of Psychopathology and Behavioral Assessment 24</em>(4), 235-245.

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King, N., Tonge, B.J., Heyne, D., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2000). Research on the cognitive-behavioral treatment of school refusal: A review and recommendations. <em>Clinical Psychology Review 20</em>(4), 495-507.

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Ladd, G.W., &amp; Dinella, L.M. (2009). Continuity and change in early school engagement: Predictive of children’s achievement trajectories from first to eighth grade? <em>Journal of Educational Psychology 101</em>(1), 190-206.

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Ladd, G.W., &amp; Buhs, E.S., &amp; Seid, M. (2000). Children’s initial sentiments about kindergarten: Is school liking an antecedent of early classroom participation and achievement? <em>Merrill-Palmer Quarterly 46</em>(2), 255-279.

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Last, C. G., Hansen, C., &amp; Franco, N. (1998). Cognitive-behavioral treatment of school phobia.  <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 37</em>, 404–411.

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Pianta, R. C., Belsky, J., Vandergrift, N., Houts, R. M., &amp; Morrison, F. J. (2008). Classroom effects on children’s achievement trajectories in elementary school. <em>American Educational Research Journal 45</em> (2), 365–397

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Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.63">[00:00:37]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we are going to help a whole lot of parents who are in the middle of a massive transition, and that is the transition to kindergarten or school. Many people, adults included, don’t love change. It’s certainly much easier to keep doing the same things we’ve been doing with the people we know and love than it is to go to a completely new place with people we mostly don’t know whoever new expectations for us that we don’t know if we can meet and we also have to start getting up really early in the mornings, which can introduce all kinds of new power struggles at bed time so we might not be able to solve all of these problems today, but we’re going to take a specific look at what is known as school refusal, which is pretty much what it sounds like when a child says “I don’t want to go to school.”

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.34">[00:01:24]</a></u>

To help us understand this and figure out what to do about it, we’re here today with Dr Jonathan Dalton, who is a licensed psychologist and the Director of the Center for Anxiety and Behavioral change in Rockville, Maryland. He received his BA in psychology from Villanova University an MA in psychology from the Catholic University of America and this PhD in Clinical Psychology from Fordham University. Dr Dalton specializes in treating anxiety and behavioral disorders with particular expertise in the treatment of anxiety-based school refusal. Welcome Dr. Dalton!

Dr. Dalton:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.65">[00:01:53]</a></u>

Thank you so much.

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.88">[00:01:54]</a></u>

So I wonder…firstly we should probably get clear on some terms that we’re going to use today because when I started reading your work, there were a whole bunch of terms and I want to be sure that we use them clearly.

Dr. Dalton:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.48">[00:02:03]</a></u>

Sure.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.02">[00:02:04]</a></u>

So you use absenteeism and truancy, school refusal, and so can you define these for us and then perhaps also help us understand how common these issues are.

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.96">[00:02:12]</a></u>

Sure. Yeah. So just thank you again for inviting me. This is something that I care a great deal about, and I treat many, many kids with these problems. Absenteeism is a global term. It’s an umbrella term that just defines kids who are not in school for any reason. It could be transportation, it could be illness, it could be anything. Truancy is more in line with delinquency; t’s against the law. These are kids who might leave in the morning and then never show up to school because they’re having too much fun in the parking lot or in the woods behind school. Oftentimes that’s more of a criminal justice issue, where school refusal or school avoidance is a more of a psychological development where kids often because of anxiety do not believe they are able to attend school, and so they literally refused to go. It could be kids won’t get out of bed in the morning. I do a lot of home visits for these kids and I’ve seen kids barricaded in bathrooms with their mastiffs guarding them and sending me off with hairspray when I get there and different things so it can be quite significant for some kids.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.01">[00:03:13]</a></u>

Okay. So in general we’re talking about slightly older children here, right? Because most of the parents who are listening to this are parents who are just sort of in this kindergarten phase, maybe some of them on the high end are in the transition phase. Some of them were toddlers transitioning into preschool for the first time, and this is probably not such a relevant thing for them. Is that right?

Dr. Dalton:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.69">[00:03:33]</a></u>

It really depends, because the research says that there’s kind of a two different ages where we most often see the onset and one of them is five and six years of age, so it’s when kids have to first separate from their family and go into a novel circumstance. It is a time when we...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We’re a couple of weeks into the new school year by now and I hope that for most of you the morning drop-offs have gotten a bit easier than they were in the beginning.

But some of you may still be struggling with a child who doesn’t want to go to school, who resists you leaving at drop-0ff time, and who might be suddenly suffering from stomachaches and headaches (particularly on Sunday nights or weekday mornings) that had not previously been a problem.

Today’s interview with <a href="http://www.changeanxiety.com/about.htm#Dalton">Dr. Jonathan Dalton</a>, director of the Center for Anxiety and Behavioral Change in Rockville, MD is going to help us understand whether our child is having a ‘normal’ amount of difficulty transitioning to school or if they are struggling enough that they might need extra help – and if so, what to do about it.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bergin, C., &amp; Bergin, D. (2009). Attachment in the classroom. <em>Educational Psychology Review 21</em>, 141-170.

<hr />

Dalton, J., &amp; Beacon, V. (2018). School refusal. In D. Driver &amp; S.S. Thomas (Eds.), Complex disorders in pediatric psychiatry: A clinician’s guide (pp 11-22). St. Louis, MO: Elsevier.

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Egger, H.L., Costello, J., &amp; Angold, A. (2003). School refusal and psychiatric disorders: A community study. <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child &amp; Adolescent Psychiatry 42</em>(7), 797-807.

<hr />

Hallinan, M.T. (2008). Teacher influences on students’ attachment to school. <em>Sociology of Education 81</em>, 271-283.

<hr />

Hamre, B.K., &amp; Pianta, R.C. (2001). Early teacher-child relationships and the trajectory of children’s school outcomes through eighth grade. <em>Child Development 72</em>(2), 625-638.

<hr />

Houts, R.M., Caspi, A., Pianta, R.C., Arseneault, L., &amp; Moffitt, T.E. (2010) The challenging pupil in the classroom: The effect of the child on the teacher. <em>Psychological Science 21</em>(12), 1802-1810.

<hr />

Jerome, E.M., Hamre, B.K., &amp; Pianta, R.C. (2009). Teacher-child relationships from kindergarten to sixth grade: Early childhood predictors of teacher-perceived conflict and closeness.<em> Social Development 18</em>(4), 915-945.

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Kearney, C.A. (2016). <em>Managing school-based absenteeism at multiple tiers: An evidence-based and practical guide for professionals</em>. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

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Kearney, C.A., &amp; Albano, A.M. (2007). <em>When children refuse school: A cognitive-behavioral therapy approach, Therapist guide</em> (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

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Kearney, C.A. (2006). Dealing with school refusal behavior: A primer for family physicians. <em>Family Practice 55</em>(8), 685-692.

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Kearney, C.A. (2002). Identifying the function of school refusal behavior: A revision of the school refusal assessment scale. <em>Journal of Psychopathology and Behavioral Assessment 24</em>(4), 235-245.

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King, N., Tonge, B.J., Heyne, D., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (2000). Research on the cognitive-behavioral treatment of school refusal: A review and recommendations. <em>Clinical Psychology Review 20</em>(4), 495-507.

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Ladd, G.W., &amp; Dinella, L.M. (2009). Continuity and change in early school engagement: Predictive of children’s achievement trajectories from first to eighth grade? <em>Journal of Educational Psychology 101</em>(1), 190-206.

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Ladd, G.W., &amp; Buhs, E.S., &amp; Seid, M. (2000). Children’s initial sentiments about kindergarten: Is school liking an antecedent of early classroom participation and achievement? <em>Merrill-Palmer Quarterly 46</em>(2), 255-279.

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Last, C. G., Hansen, C., &amp; Franco, N. (1998). Cognitive-behavioral treatment of school phobia.  <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 37</em>, 404–411.

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Pianta, R. C., Belsky, J., Vandergrift, N., Houts, R. M., &amp; Morrison, F. J. (2008). Classroom effects on children’s achievement trajectories in elementary school. <em>American Educational Research Journal 45</em> (2), 365–397

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Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.63">[00:00:37]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today we are going to help a whole lot of parents who are in the middle of a massive transition, and that is the transition to kindergarten or school. Many people, adults included, don’t love change. It’s certainly much easier to keep doing the same things we’ve been doing with the people we know and love than it is to go to a completely new place with people we mostly don’t know whoever new expectations for us that we don’t know if we can meet and we also have to start getting up really early in the mornings, which can introduce all kinds of new power struggles at bed time so we might not be able to solve all of these problems today, but we’re going to take a specific look at what is known as school refusal, which is pretty much what it sounds like when a child says “I don’t want to go to school.”

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.34">[00:01:24]</a></u>

To help us understand this and figure out what to do about it, we’re here today with Dr Jonathan Dalton, who is a licensed psychologist and the Director of the Center for Anxiety and Behavioral change in Rockville, Maryland. He received his BA in psychology from Villanova University an MA in psychology from the Catholic University of America and this PhD in Clinical Psychology from Fordham University. Dr Dalton specializes in treating anxiety and behavioral disorders with particular expertise in the treatment of anxiety-based school refusal. Welcome Dr. Dalton!

Dr. Dalton:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.65">[00:01:53]</a></u>

Thank you so much.

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.88">[00:01:54]</a></u>

So I wonder…firstly we should probably get clear on some terms that we’re going to use today because when I started reading your work, there were a whole bunch of terms and I want to be sure that we use them clearly.

Dr. Dalton:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.48">[00:02:03]</a></u>

Sure.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.02">[00:02:04]</a></u>

So you use absenteeism and truancy, school refusal, and so can you define these for us and then perhaps also help us understand how common these issues are.

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.96">[00:02:12]</a></u>

Sure. Yeah. So just thank you again for inviting me. This is something that I care a great deal about, and I treat many, many kids with these problems. Absenteeism is a global term. It’s an umbrella term that just defines kids who are not in school for any reason. It could be transportation, it could be illness, it could be anything. Truancy is more in line with delinquency; t’s against the law. These are kids who might leave in the morning and then never show up to school because they’re having too much fun in the parking lot or in the woods behind school. Oftentimes that’s more of a criminal justice issue, where school refusal or school avoidance is a more of a psychological development where kids often because of anxiety do not believe they are able to attend school, and so they literally refused to go. It could be kids won’t get out of bed in the morning. I do a lot of home visits for these kids and I’ve seen kids barricaded in bathrooms with their mastiffs guarding them and sending me off with hairspray when I get there and different things so it can be quite significant for some kids.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.01">[00:03:13]</a></u>

Okay. So in general we’re talking about slightly older children here, right? Because most of the parents who are listening to this are parents who are just sort of in this kindergarten phase, maybe some of them on the high end are in the transition phase. Some of them were toddlers transitioning into preschool for the first time, and this is probably not such a relevant thing for them. Is that right?

Dr. Dalton:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.69">[00:03:33]</a></u>

It really depends, because the research says that there’s kind of a two different ages where we most often see the onset and one of them is five and six years of age, so it’s when kids have to first separate from their family and go into a novel circumstance. It is a time when we really see that now it’s obviously easier to get a five year old in school than it is a 15 year old just physically and logistically it’s a different ballgame, but we do see a lot of that along with a lot of parent tiers on the first day of kindergarten. It’s not just the kids who have separation, anxiety.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.39">[00:04:03]</a></u>

No, no, it’s definitely not, and when we’re talking about that preschool transition, at least I found it was… It was difficult for sure, but there were three teachers for 18 kids, so if you need someone to hold your child and give your child a hug and hold your child up to the window so that you can be high fived as you’re walking out the door, then that’s something that can be accomplished in that environment, right. Whereas in a kindergarten you’re kind of moving on from that.

Dr. Dalton:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.96">[00:04:29]</a></u>

Yeah, I mean we’re looking for kind of the BAND-AID approach. A lot of schools use that so that the parents don’t even walk their kids into the building for kindergarten and then it just eases with the transitions are everyone’s saying goodbye at the door. All the moms are wearing dark sunglasses so no-one can see their tears and then the kids just kind of pivot into what’s happening next. That the separation, physical separation is a hard thing for everybody involved because it’s so novel for the family very often.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=296.31">[00:04:56]</a></u>

Yeah. Okay. Alright. So you’ve written that school refusal is a behavior rather than a diagnosis. So I wonder if you can help us understand the difference there from a clinical perspective and also does it make a difference for parents from their perspective and if it’s not a formal diagnosis, does this school refusal typically coworker with other disorders that are diagnosable?

Dr. Dalton:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.76">[00:05:19]</a></u>

Yeah. Great questions in there. So you separation anxiety is one of the more common ones that we see. So in one study, 38 percent of the kids who refused school had that as their primary diagnosis. Our job is to think of kids who refuse school…we liken it to someone who breaks out in hives after eating a casserole and you wouldn’t go to the doctor and say, “oh well my kid is allergic to casseroles.” You have to know which ingredient they’re allergic to. And same thing with school refusal. It can look the same but for very different reasons. So some kids are afraid of getting sick or being near someone who throws up or weather is a big one for the younger kids that we say…

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.561">[00:05:54]</a></u>

Weather?

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.561">[00:05:54]</a></u>

Yeah, you know, if there’s a thunderstorm, a lot of kids are afraid of being apart from the caregiver if there’s a thunderstorm.

Dr. Dalton:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=361.2">[00:06:01]</a></u>

So we, we see a lot of that. We see kids who might have panic disorder so they feel like they’ve been struck by lightning from the inside rather than the outside. I don’t know why that happens. And so they try and seek proximity to a caregiver or just to their home environment. It could be social anxiety. We see a lot of younger kids with a phenomenon called selective mutism where they don’t talk in a school environment often for the first time. And so parents don’t know this because at home they’re a chatterbox and they get to their first teacher conference and say, yeah, um, you know, your kid doesn’t ever talk and they say, what are you talking about? They never shut up. And in school environment they literally don’t talk. And so that can morph into social anxiety and some cases school avoidance there as well.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=405.83">[00:06:45]</a></u>

So we just wanted to go back to something you said at the beginning of that. You mentioned separation anxiety disorder. My child doesn’t love being separated from me, but I guess what would be helpful to understand would be where do you draw the line between separation anxiety and separation anxiety disorder?

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=422.66">[00:07:02]</a></u>

It’s really coming down to functional impairment. So obviously you know, kids like all mammals, they seek out proximity to protectors, you know, in, in just the way other other species do. And so it’s a very normal response if you are a little one and you are used to being with a parent that’s been your go-to response for a long time. And so trying to seek out proximity. So that makes perfect sense. The difference with anxiety disorders, it’s not the severity of the anxiety, it’s the appropriateness for the situation. So a lot of kids will fear you’re separating and they’ll maybe been clinging behavior when they’re being dropped off. I had a neighbor throw a lunchbox at the kindergarten teacher the first day of school last year because she said, don’t take me from my mom, and that lasts only usually minutes, and then the kids can kind of reorient themselves to a new situation

Dr. Dalton:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=473.751">[00:07:53]</a></u>

Separation anxiety disorder is chronic and impairing. It gets in the way of their ability to fully do the things that otherwise they want to do so they don’t do sleepovers, that cannot babysitter sometimes. Sometimes they don’t go to school, clearly. It can really interfere and even within separation anxiety disorder, it can look very different so some kids have a fear of being alone and so they won’t sleep in their own bed, which drives parents crazy as you can imagine, or they don’t want to be in a different floor than where their parents are and they’ll kind of follow them like shadows throughout the house. Other kids have more of a fear of abandonment where they’re afraid of what if mom gets sick or dad and they can’t come and pick me up and they begin to worry a lot about what may happen down the road. They might fear the horrible things that the grownups fear like, you know, being abducted or school shootings or the horrible things like that. So it really does vary even within that diagnostic category greatly in terms of the way it presents itself.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=532.81">[00:08:52]</a></u>

Okay. All right. Thanks for helping us understand that little bit better. So you mentioned a lot of different reasons why a child might refuse school and in the reading that I did to prepare for this episode, I think they fit into four main criteria or sort of categories. Is that right?

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.2">[00:09:09]</a></u>

Yeah, that’s what the research shows.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.59">[00:09:09]</a></u>

Okay. And would you mind just reviewing those so that we can help to understand what those are and decide whether a child might meet one of those?

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HuXKFPftG3jqpfA5xyAOBatBvqDQ1x5wLCLaAKIDeckXR_uaSDlBkv6ieyfw-IB9BTBEa1kk55yh-3D54vIm7MdC_bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=556.771">[00:09:16]</a></u>

Sure. So what you’re referring to aren’t diagnoses, they are functions. So behavior is many things. The one thing it’s never is random. It’s very complicated and confusing, kind of like meteorology with lots of different interacting variables, but it is fundamentally lawful and so when we do our assessment, we don’t just look at what is the diagnosis that someone might have in the DSM V or the ICD 10. We’re looking for what are the dimensions of their suffering, like how is it they experience the world, but also what are the functions of the behavior and there are basically four usual suspects that we can look for and they fall under two broad categories. The first one is positive reinforcement, which most parents have come across during their training somewhere along the way and it just means that if this event were to follow a behavior, that behavior is more likely to occur in the future.

Dr. Dalton:   <u><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/schoolrefusal]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2314</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/182bba54-41fd-4620-8064-0cbbd18065dd/school-refusalfinal.mp3" length="58979811" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We’re a couple of weeks into the new school year by now and I hope that for most of you the morning drop-offs have gotten a bit easier than they were in the beginning.
But some of you may still be struggling with a child who doesn’t want to go to school, who resists you leaving at drop-0ff time, and who might be suddenly suffering from stomachaches and headaches (particularly on Sunday nights or weekday mornings) that had not previously been a problem.
Today’s interview with http://www.changeanxiety.com/about.htm#Dalton (Dr. Jonathan Dalton), director of the Center for Anxiety and Behavioral Change in Rockville, MD is going to help us understand whether our child is having a ‘normal’ amount of difficulty transitioning to school or if they are struggling enough that they might need extra help – and if so, what to do about it.
 
References
Bergin, C., and Bergin, D. (2009). Attachment in the classroom. Educational Psychology Review 21, 141-170.
Dalton, J., and Beacon, V. (2018). School refusal. In D. Driver and S.S. Thomas (Eds.), Complex disorders in pediatric psychiatry: A clinician’s guide (pp 11-22). St. Louis, MO: Elsevier.
Egger, H.L., Costello, J., and Angold, A. (2003). School refusal and psychiatric disorders: A community study. Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 42(7), 797-807.
Hallinan, M.T. (2008). Teacher influences on students’ attachment to school. Sociology of Education 81, 271-283.
Hamre, B.K., and Pianta, R.C. (2001). Early teacher-child relationships and the trajectory of children’s school outcomes through eighth grade. Child Development 72(2), 625-638.
Houts, R.M., Caspi, A., Pianta, R.C., Arseneault, L., and Moffitt, T.E. (2010) The challenging pupil in the classroom: The effect of the child on the teacher. Psychological Science 21(12), 1802-1810.
Jerome, E.M., Hamre, B.K., and Pianta, R.C. (2009). Teacher-child relationships from kindergarten to sixth grade: Early childhood predictors of teacher-perceived conflict and closeness. Social Development 18(4), 915-945.
Kearney, C.A. (2016). Managing school-based absenteeism at multiple tiers: An evidence-based and practical guide for professionals. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.
Kearney, C.A., and Albano, A.M. (2007). When children refuse school: A cognitive-behavioral therapy approach, Therapist guide (2nd Ed.). Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.
Kearney, C.A. (2006). Dealing with school refusal behavior: A primer for family physicians. Family Practice 55(8), 685-692.
Kearney, C.A. (2002). Identifying the function of school refusal behavior: A revision of the school refusal assessment scale. Journal of Psychopathology and Behavioral Assessment 24(4), 235-245.
King, N., Tonge, B.J., Heyne, D., and Ollendick, T.H. (2000). Research on the cognitive-behavioral treatment of school refusal: A review and recommendations. Clinical Psychology Review 20(4), 495-507.
Ladd, G.W., and Dinella, L.M. (2009). Continuity and change in early school engagement: Predictive of children’s achievement trajectories from first to eighth grade? Journal of Educational Psychology 101(1), 190-206.
Ladd, G.W., and Buhs, E.S., and Seid, M. (2000). Children’s initial sentiments about kindergarten: Is school liking an antecedent of early classroom participation and achievement? Merrill-Palmer Quarterly 46(2), 255-279.
Last, C. G., Hansen, C., and Franco, N. (1998). Cognitive-behavioral treatment of school phobia.  Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 37, 404–411.
Pianta, R. C., Belsky, J., Vandergrift, N., Houts, R. M., and Morrison, F. J. (2008). Classroom effects on children’s achievement trajectories in elementary school. American Educational Research Journal 45 (2), 365–397</itunes:summary></item><item><title>072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</title><itunes:title>072: Is the 30 Million Word Gap Real: Part II</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode revisits the concept of the 30 Million Word Gap concept, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wordgap/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">which we first covered in an interview with Dr. Doug Sperry</a> a few weeks back.

After she heard that I was going to talk with Dr. Sperry, Dr. Roberta Golinkoff – <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/becomingbrilliant/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">with whom we discussed her book Becoming Brilliant</a> almost two years ago now – asked to come back on to present a rebuttal. We’re going to learn a lot more about the importance of child-directed speech!

This episode serves two purposes: it helps us to understand another aspect of the 30 Million Word Gap, and it also demonstrates pretty clearly that scientists – both of whom have the best interests of children at heart – see very different ways of achieving that end.

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(04:17) The origin of the 30-million-word gap</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(06:32) Addressing children directly is important</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(11:47) Kindergarten has become the new first grade.</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(17:19) The difference between infant-directed and adult-directed speech.</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(39:08) Children also need to be responded to in terms of things that are of interest to them</span>

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<strong>References</strong>

Adair, J.K., Colegrave, K.S-S, &amp; McManus. M.E. (2017). How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. <em>Harvard Educational Review 87</em>(3), 309-334.

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Avineri, N., Johnson, E., Brice‐Heath, S., McCarty, T., Ochs, E., Kremer‐Sadlik, T., Blum, S., Zentella, A.C., Rosa, J., Flores, N., Alim, H.S., &amp; Paris, D. (2015). Invited forum: Bridging the “language gap”. <em>Journal of Linguistic Anthropology</em>, <em>25</em>(1), 66-86.

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Bassok, D., Latham, S., &amp; Rorem, A. (2016). Is Kindergarten the new first grade? <em>AERA Open 1</em>(4), 1-31.

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Baugh, J. (2017). Meaning-less difference: Exposing fallacies and flaws in “The Word Gap” hypothesis that conceal a dangerous “language trap” for low-income American families and their children. <em>International Multilingual Research Journal 11</em>(1), 39-51.

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Brennan, W. (2018, April). Julie Washington’s quest to get schools to respect African American English. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/

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Correa-Chavez, M., &amp; Rogoff, B. (2009). Children’s attention to interactions directed to others: Guatemalan and European American Patterns. <em>Developmental Psychology 45</em>(3), 630-641.

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Craig, H.K., &amp; Washington, J.A. (2004). Grade-related changes in the production of African American English. <em>Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research 47</em>(2), 450-463.

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Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. <em>Journal of Education 167</em>(1), 9-57

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Genishi, C., &amp; Dyson, A. (2009). <em>Children, language, and literacy: Diverse learners in diverse times.</em> New York: Teachers College Press.

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Golinkoff, R.M., Hoff, E., Rowe, M.L., Tamis-LeMonda, C., &amp; Hirsh-Pasek, K. (in press). Language matters: Denying the existence of the 30 Million Word Gap has serious consequences. <em>Child Development.</em>

<hr />

Lee-James, R., &amp; Washington, J.A. (2018). Language skills of bidialectal and bilingual children: Considering a strengths-based perspective. <em>Topics in Language Disorders 38</em>(1), 5-26.

<hr />

Long, H. (2017, September 15). African Americans are the only U.S. racial group earning less than in 2000. Chicago Tribune. Retrieved from http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-african-americans-income-census-20170918-story.html

<hr />

NAEP (2017). National student group scores and score gaps (Reading). NAEP. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_2017/#nation/gaps?grade=4" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_2017/#nation/gaps?grade=4</a>

<hr />

Rogoff, B., Mistry, J., Goncu, A., ,&amp; Mosier, C. (1993). Guided participation in cultural activity by toddlers and caregivers. <em>Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development Series No. 236, 58</em>(8), v-173.

<hr />

Ward, M.C. (1971). <em>Them children: A study in language learning.</em> New York, NY: Holt, Rinehart &amp; Winston.

<hr />

Washington, J.A., Branum-Martin, L., Sun, C., &amp; Lee-James, R. (2018). The impact of dialect density on the growth of language and reading in African American children.<em> Language, Speech, and Hearing Services in Schools 49</em>, 232-247.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode revisits the concept of the 30 Million Word Gap concept, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wordgap/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">which we first covered in an interview with Dr. Doug Sperry</a> a few weeks back.

After she heard that I was going to talk with Dr. Sperry, Dr. Roberta Golinkoff – <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/becomingbrilliant/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">with whom we discussed her book Becoming Brilliant</a> almost two years ago now – asked to come back on to present a rebuttal. We’re going to learn a lot more about the importance of child-directed speech!

This episode serves two purposes: it helps us to understand another aspect of the 30 Million Word Gap, and it also demonstrates pretty clearly that scientists – both of whom have the best interests of children at heart – see very different ways of achieving that end.

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(04:17) The origin of the 30-million-word gap</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(06:32) Addressing children directly is important</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(11:47) Kindergarten has become the new first grade.</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(17:19) The difference between infant-directed and adult-directed speech.</span>

<span style="background-color: transparent">(39:08) Children also need to be responded to in terms of things that are of interest to them</span>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Adair, J.K., Colegrave, K.S-S, &amp; McManus. M.E. (2017). How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. <em>Harvard Educational Review 87</em>(3), 309-334.

<hr />

Avineri, N., Johnson, E., Brice‐Heath, S., McCarty, T., Ochs, E., Kremer‐Sadlik, T., Blum, S., Zentella, A.C., Rosa, J., Flores, N., Alim, H.S., &amp; Paris, D. (2015). Invited forum: Bridging the “language gap”. <em>Journal of Linguistic Anthropology</em>, <em>25</em>(1), 66-86.

<hr />

Bassok, D., Latham, S., &amp; Rorem, A. (2016). Is Kindergarten the new first grade? <em>AERA Open 1</em>(4), 1-31.

<hr />

Baugh, J. (2017). Meaning-less difference: Exposing fallacies and flaws in “The Word Gap” hypothesis that conceal a dangerous “language trap” for low-income American families and their children. <em>International Multilingual Research Journal 11</em>(1), 39-51.

<hr />

Brennan, W. (2018, April). Julie Washington’s quest to get schools to respect African American English. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/

<hr />

Correa-Chavez, M., &amp; Rogoff, B. (2009). Children’s attention to interactions directed to others: Guatemalan and European American Patterns. <em>Developmental Psychology 45</em>(3), 630-641.

<hr />

Craig, H.K., &amp; Washington, J.A. (2004). Grade-related changes in the production of African American English. <em>Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research 47</em>(2), 450-463.

<hr />

Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. <em>Journal of Education 167</em>(1), 9-57

<hr />

Genishi, C., &amp; Dyson, A. (2009). <em>Children, language, and literacy: Diverse learners in diverse times.</em> New York: Teachers College Press.

<hr />

Golinkoff, R.M., Hoff, E., Rowe, M.L., Tamis-LeMonda, C., &amp; Hirsh-Pasek, K. (in press). Language matters: Denying the existence of the 30 Million Word Gap has serious consequences. <em>Child Development.</em>

<hr />

Lee-James, R., &amp; Washington, J.A. (2018). Language skills of bidialectal and bilingual children: Considering a strengths-based perspective. <em>Topics in Language Disorders 38</em>(1), 5-26.

<hr />

Long, H. (2017, September 15). African Americans are the only U.S. racial group earning less than in 2000. Chicago Tribune. Retrieved from http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-african-americans-income-census-20170918-story.html

<hr />

NAEP (2017). National student group scores and score gaps (Reading). NAEP. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_2017/#nation/gaps?grade=4" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_2017/#nation/gaps?grade=4</a>

<hr />

Rogoff, B., Mistry, J., Goncu, A., ,&amp; Mosier, C. (1993). Guided participation in cultural activity by toddlers and caregivers. <em>Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development Series No. 236, 58</em>(8), v-173.

<hr />

Ward, M.C. (1971). <em>Them children: A study in language learning.</em> New York, NY: Holt, Rinehart &amp; Winston.

<hr />

Washington, J.A., Branum-Martin, L., Sun, C., &amp; Lee-James, R. (2018). The impact of dialect density on the growth of language and reading in African American children.<em> Language, Speech, and Hearing Services in Schools 49</em>, 232-247.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/wordgapconsequences]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2303</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2018 00:23:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/85658217-c823-4bd8-9f84-b24360ac0ba9/30-million-word-gap-rebuttalfinal.mp3" length="60855194" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This episode revisits the concept of the 30 Million Word Gap concept, https://yourparentingmojo.com/wordgap/ (which we first covered in an interview with Dr. Doug Sperry) a few weeks back.
After she heard that I was going to talk with Dr. Sperry, Dr. Roberta Golinkoff – https://yourparentingmojo.com/becomingbrilliant/ (with whom we discussed her book Becoming Brilliant) almost two years ago now – asked to come back on to present a rebuttal.  We’re going to learn a lot more about the importance of child-directed speech!
This episode serves two purposes: it helps us to understand another aspect of the 30 Million Word Gap, and it also demonstrates pretty clearly that scientists – both of whom have the best interests of children at heart – see very different ways of achieving that end.

References
Adair, J.K., Colegrave, K.S-S, and McManus. M.E. (2017). How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. Harvard Educational Review 87(3), 309-334.
Avineri, N., Johnson, E., Brice‐Heath, S., McCarty, T., Ochs, E., Kremer‐Sadlik, T., Blum, S., Zentella, A.C., Rosa, J., Flores, N., Alim, H.S., and Paris, D. (2015). Invited forum: Bridging the “language gap”. Journal of Linguistic Anthropology, 25(1), 66-86.
Bassok, D., Latham, S., and Rorem, A. (2016). Is Kindergarten the new first grade? AERA Open 1(4), 1-31.
Baugh, J. (2017). Meaning-less difference: Exposing fallacies and flaws in “The Word Gap” hypothesis that conceal a dangerous “language trap” for low-income American families and their children. International Multilingual Research Journal 11(1), 39-51.
Brennan, W. (2018, April). Julie Washington’s quest to get schools to respect African American English. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/
Correa-Chavez, M., and Rogoff, B. (2009). Children’s attention to interactions directed to others: Guatemalan and European American Patterns. Developmental Psychology 45(3), 630-641.
Craig, H.K., and Washington, J.A. (2004). Grade-related changes in the production of African American English. Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research 47(2), 450-463.
Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. Journal of Education 167(1), 9-57
Genishi, C., and Dyson, A. (2009). Children, language, and literacy: Diverse learners in diverse times. New York: Teachers College Press.
Golinkoff, R.M., Hoff, E., Rowe, M.L., Tamis-LeMonda, C., and Hirsh-Pasek, K. (in press). Language matters: Denying the existence of the 30 Million Word Gap has serious consequences. Child Development.
Lee-James, R., and Washington, J.A. (2018). Language skills of bidialectal and bilingual children: Considering a strengths-based perspective. Topics in Language Disorders 38(1), 5-26.
Long, H. (2017, September 15). African Americans are the only U.S. racial group earning less than in 2000. Chicago Tribune. Retrieved from http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-african-americans-income-census-20170918-story.html
NAEP (2017). National student group scores and score gaps (Reading). NAEP. Retrieved from: https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_2017/#nation/gaps?grade=4 (https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_2017/#nation/gaps?grade=4)
Rogoff, B., Mistry, J., Goncu, A., ,and Mosier, C. (1993). Guided participation in cultural activity by toddlers and caregivers. Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development Series No. 236, 58(8), v-173.
Ward, M.C. (1971). Them children: A study in language learning. New York, NY: Holt, Rinehart and Winston.
Washington, J.A., Branum-Martin, L., Sun, C., and Lee-James, R. (2018). The impact of dialect density on the growth of language and reading in African American chi...</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/42629e6b-00b8-4b7f-bbdc-f89468c65536/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>071: How your child can benefit from intergenerational relationships</title><itunes:title>071: How your child can benefit from intergenerational relationships</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We recently did an episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/intergenerationaltrauma/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the impact of intergenerational trauma</a>, which was about how the ways we were parented, and even the ways our parents were parented, ends up influencing the relationship we have with our children – and often not in a positive way.

But there’s another side to this story: relationships between the generations can actually have enormously beneficial effects on children’s lives, even when these are affected by issues like radically different parenting styles, and mental illness.

Today we explore the more positive side of intergenerational relationship with Dr. Peter Whitehouse, who (along with his wife, Cathy) co-founded The Intergenerational School in Cleveland, OH, which is now part of a small network of three schools that use this model.

Have you ever thought about how you talk about ageing effects what your children think about older people? (I hadn’t, but I have now!) Do you struggle to navigate the difference between the things your parents want to say to and buy for your child, and your own values? Do you worry about what your child might think of their grandparent’s absent-mindedness or volatility? Join us as Dr. Whitehouse and I navigate a path through these and other issues.

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

(03:07) The definition of intergenerativity.

(09:04) how people and other cultures interact with the elderly generally, and specifically with grandparents in particular

(13:49) When kids have a good relationship with elders in their own family, they are more open to relationships with adults and elders in society at large.

(16:56) The underlying principle of the intergenerational school and how it differs from a typical school.

(19:35) What an intergenerational playground looks like.

(35:15) The tension we feel in life about the security of the same and the danger of difference.

(39:11) How can families encourage intergenerational relationships?

(51:46) The more we compartmentalize people and categorize them as sick or diseased, the more we're afraid of them.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Babcock, R., MaloneBeach, E.E., &amp; Woodworth-Hou, B. (2016). Intergenerational intervention to mitigate children’s bias against the elderly. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 14</em>(4), 274-287.

<hr />

Bessell, S. (2017). The role of intergenerational relationships in children’s experiences of community. <em>Children &amp; Society 31</em>, 263-275.

<hr />

Bostrom, A-K., &amp; Schmidt-Hertha, B. (2017). Intergenerational relationships and lifelong learning. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships</em> <em>15</em>(1), 1-3.

<hr />

Even-Zohar, A., &amp; Garby, A. (2016). Great-grandparents’ role perception and its contribution to their quality of life. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 14</em>(3), 197-219.

<hr />

Flash, C. (2015). The Intergenerational Learning Center, Providence Mount St. Vincent, Seattle. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 13</em>(4), 338-341.

<hr />

George, D.R., &amp; Whitehouse, P.J. (2010). Intergenerational volunteering and quality of life for persons with mild-to-moderate dementia: Results from a 5-month intervention study in the United States. <em>Journal of the American Geriatric Society 58</em>(4), 796-797.

<hr />

Geraghty, R., Gray, J., &amp; Ralph, D. (2015). ‘One of the best members of the family’: Continuity and change in young children’s relationships with their grandparents. In L. Connolly (Ed.),<em> The ‘Irish’ Family</em> (pp.124-139). New York, NY: Routledge.

<hr />

Hake, B.J. (2017). Gardens as learning spaces: Intergenerational learning in urban food gardens. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 15</em>(1), 26-38.

<hr />

Hawkes, K., O’Connell, J.F., Jones, B.G.B., Alvarez, H., &amp; Charnov, E.L. (2000). The grandmother hypothesis and human evolution. In <em>Adaptation and Human Behavior: An Anthropological Perspective</em>, edited by L. Cronk, N. Chagnon &amp; W. Irons, pp. 231-252. New York: Aldine de Gruyter.

<hr />

Kirkwood, T., Bond, J., May, C., McKeith, I., &amp; Teh, M. (2010). Mental capital and wellbeing through life: Future challenges. In C. Cooper, J. Field, U. Goswami, R. Jenkins, &amp; B. Sahakian (Eds.), <em>Mental capital and wellbeing</em> (pp. 3–53). Chichester, UK: Wiley-Blackwell.

<hr />

Low, L-F., Russell, F., McDonald, T., &amp; Kauffman, A. (2015). Grandfriends, an intergenerational program for nursing-home residents and preschoolers: A randomized trial. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 13</em>(3), 227-240.

<hr />

Murayama, Y., Obha, H., Yasunanaga, M., Nonaka, K., Takeuchi, R., Nishi, M., Sakuma, N., Uchida, H., Shinkai, S., &amp; Fujiwara, Y. (2015). The effect of intergenerational programs on the mental health of elderly adults. <em>Aging and Mental Health 19</em>(4), 306-316.

<hr />

Schwartz, L.K., &amp; Simmons, J.P. (2001). Contact quality and attitudes toward the elderly. <em>Educational Gerontology 27</em>(2), 127-137.

<hr />

Senior, E., &amp; Green J. (2017). Through the ages: Developing relationships between the young and the old. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 15</em>(3), 295-305.

<hr />

Sun, Y., &amp; Jiang, N. (2017). The effect of grandparents’ co-parenting on young children’s personality and adaptation: Chinese three-generation families. <em>Asian Social Science 13</em>(5), 7-15.

<hr />

Whitehouse, P.J. (n.d.). Intergenerativity: Imaging between to imagine beyond. Taos Institute. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.taosinstitute.net/Websites/taos/files/Content/5694536/Whitehouse_-_Intergenerativity_presentation.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.taosinstitute.net/Websites/taos/files/Content/5694536/Whitehouse_-_Intergenerativity_presentation.pdf</a>

<hr />

Whitehouse, P.J. (2010, Spring). Taking brain health to a deeper and broader level. <em>Neurological institute Journal.</em> 17-22.

<hr />

Whitehouse, P.J., Bendezu, E., Fallcreek, S., &amp; Whitehouse, C. (2000). Intergenerational community schools: A new practice for a new time. <em>Educational Gerontology 26</em>, 761-770.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We recently did an episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/intergenerationaltrauma/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the impact of intergenerational trauma</a>, which was about how the ways we were parented, and even the ways our parents were parented, ends up influencing the relationship we have with our children – and often not in a positive way.

But there’s another side to this story: relationships between the generations can actually have enormously beneficial effects on children’s lives, even when these are affected by issues like radically different parenting styles, and mental illness.

Today we explore the more positive side of intergenerational relationship with Dr. Peter Whitehouse, who (along with his wife, Cathy) co-founded The Intergenerational School in Cleveland, OH, which is now part of a small network of three schools that use this model.

Have you ever thought about how you talk about ageing effects what your children think about older people? (I hadn’t, but I have now!) Do you struggle to navigate the difference between the things your parents want to say to and buy for your child, and your own values? Do you worry about what your child might think of their grandparent’s absent-mindedness or volatility? Join us as Dr. Whitehouse and I navigate a path through these and other issues.

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

(03:07) The definition of intergenerativity.

(09:04) how people and other cultures interact with the elderly generally, and specifically with grandparents in particular

(13:49) When kids have a good relationship with elders in their own family, they are more open to relationships with adults and elders in society at large.

(16:56) The underlying principle of the intergenerational school and how it differs from a typical school.

(19:35) What an intergenerational playground looks like.

(35:15) The tension we feel in life about the security of the same and the danger of difference.

(39:11) How can families encourage intergenerational relationships?

(51:46) The more we compartmentalize people and categorize them as sick or diseased, the more we're afraid of them.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Babcock, R., MaloneBeach, E.E., &amp; Woodworth-Hou, B. (2016). Intergenerational intervention to mitigate children’s bias against the elderly. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 14</em>(4), 274-287.

<hr />

Bessell, S. (2017). The role of intergenerational relationships in children’s experiences of community. <em>Children &amp; Society 31</em>, 263-275.

<hr />

Bostrom, A-K., &amp; Schmidt-Hertha, B. (2017). Intergenerational relationships and lifelong learning. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships</em> <em>15</em>(1), 1-3.

<hr />

Even-Zohar, A., &amp; Garby, A. (2016). Great-grandparents’ role perception and its contribution to their quality of life. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 14</em>(3), 197-219.

<hr />

Flash, C. (2015). The Intergenerational Learning Center, Providence Mount St. Vincent, Seattle. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 13</em>(4), 338-341.

<hr />

George, D.R., &amp; Whitehouse, P.J. (2010). Intergenerational volunteering and quality of life for persons with mild-to-moderate dementia: Results from a 5-month intervention study in the United States. <em>Journal of the American Geriatric Society 58</em>(4), 796-797.

<hr />

Geraghty, R., Gray, J., &amp; Ralph, D. (2015). ‘One of the best members of the family’: Continuity and change in young children’s relationships with their grandparents. In L. Connolly (Ed.),<em> The ‘Irish’ Family</em> (pp.124-139). New York, NY: Routledge.

<hr />

Hake, B.J. (2017). Gardens as learning spaces: Intergenerational learning in urban food gardens. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 15</em>(1), 26-38.

<hr />

Hawkes, K., O’Connell, J.F., Jones, B.G.B., Alvarez, H., &amp; Charnov, E.L. (2000). The grandmother hypothesis and human evolution. In <em>Adaptation and Human Behavior: An Anthropological Perspective</em>, edited by L. Cronk, N. Chagnon &amp; W. Irons, pp. 231-252. New York: Aldine de Gruyter.

<hr />

Kirkwood, T., Bond, J., May, C., McKeith, I., &amp; Teh, M. (2010). Mental capital and wellbeing through life: Future challenges. In C. Cooper, J. Field, U. Goswami, R. Jenkins, &amp; B. Sahakian (Eds.), <em>Mental capital and wellbeing</em> (pp. 3–53). Chichester, UK: Wiley-Blackwell.

<hr />

Low, L-F., Russell, F., McDonald, T., &amp; Kauffman, A. (2015). Grandfriends, an intergenerational program for nursing-home residents and preschoolers: A randomized trial. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 13</em>(3), 227-240.

<hr />

Murayama, Y., Obha, H., Yasunanaga, M., Nonaka, K., Takeuchi, R., Nishi, M., Sakuma, N., Uchida, H., Shinkai, S., &amp; Fujiwara, Y. (2015). The effect of intergenerational programs on the mental health of elderly adults. <em>Aging and Mental Health 19</em>(4), 306-316.

<hr />

Schwartz, L.K., &amp; Simmons, J.P. (2001). Contact quality and attitudes toward the elderly. <em>Educational Gerontology 27</em>(2), 127-137.

<hr />

Senior, E., &amp; Green J. (2017). Through the ages: Developing relationships between the young and the old. <em>Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 15</em>(3), 295-305.

<hr />

Sun, Y., &amp; Jiang, N. (2017). The effect of grandparents’ co-parenting on young children’s personality and adaptation: Chinese three-generation families. <em>Asian Social Science 13</em>(5), 7-15.

<hr />

Whitehouse, P.J. (n.d.). Intergenerativity: Imaging between to imagine beyond. Taos Institute. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.taosinstitute.net/Websites/taos/files/Content/5694536/Whitehouse_-_Intergenerativity_presentation.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.taosinstitute.net/Websites/taos/files/Content/5694536/Whitehouse_-_Intergenerativity_presentation.pdf</a>

<hr />

Whitehouse, P.J. (2010, Spring). Taking brain health to a deeper and broader level. <em>Neurological institute Journal.</em> 17-22.

<hr />

Whitehouse, P.J., Bendezu, E., Fallcreek, S., &amp; Whitehouse, C. (2000). Intergenerational community schools: A new practice for a new time. <em>Educational Gerontology 26</em>, 761-770.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/intergenerationalrelationships]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2225</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2018 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cb3c5c74-6a22-4c2a-af13-973168e4ff38/intergenerational-relationshipsupdated.mp3" length="50913617" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We recently did an episode on https://yourparentingmojo.com/intergenerationaltrauma/ (the impact of intergenerational trauma), which was about how the ways we were parented, and even the ways our parents were parented, ends up influencing the relationship we have with our children – and often not in a positive way.
But there’s another side to this story: relationships between the generations can actually have enormously beneficial effects on children’s lives, even when these are affected by issues like radically different parenting styles, and mental illness.
Today we explore the more positive side of intergenerational relationship with Dr. Peter Whitehouse, who (along with his wife, Cathy) co-founded The Intergenerational School in Cleveland, OH, which is now part of a small network of three schools that use this model.
Have you ever thought about how you talk about ageing effects what your children think about older people?  (I hadn’t, but I have now!)  Do you struggle to navigate the difference between the things your parents want to say to and buy for your child, and your own values?  Do you worry about what your child might think of their grandparent’s absent-mindedness or volatility?  Join us as Dr. Whitehouse and I navigate a path through these and other issues.

References
Babcock, R., MaloneBeach, E.E., and Woodworth-Hou, B. (2016). Intergenerational intervention to mitigate children’s bias against the elderly. Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 14(4), 274-287.
Bessell, S. (2017). The role of intergenerational relationships in children’s experiences of community. Children and Society 31, 263-275.
Bostrom, A-K., and Schmidt-Hertha, B. (2017). Intergenerational relationships and lifelong learning. Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 15(1), 1-3.
Even-Zohar, A., and Garby, A. (2016). Great-grandparents’ role perception and its contribution to their quality of life. Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 14(3), 197-219.
Flash, C. (2015). The Intergenerational Learning Center, Providence Mount St. Vincent, Seattle. Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 13(4), 338-341.
George, D.R., and Whitehouse, P.J. (2010). Intergenerational volunteering and quality of life for persons with mild-to-moderate dementia: Results from a 5-month intervention study in the United States. Journal of the American Geriatric Society 58(4), 796-797.
Geraghty, R., Gray, J., and Ralph, D. (2015). ‘One of the best members of the family’: Continuity and change in young children’s relationships with their grandparents. In L. Connolly (Ed.), The ‘Irish’ Family (pp.124-139). New York, NY: Routledge.
Hake, B.J. (2017). Gardens as learning spaces: Intergenerational learning in urban food gardens. Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 15(1), 26-38.
Hawkes, K., O’Connell, J.F., Jones, B.G.B., Alvarez, H., and Charnov, E.L. (2000). The grandmother hypothesis and human evolution. In Adaptation and Human Behavior: An Anthropological Perspective, edited by L. Cronk, N. Chagnon and W. Irons, pp. 231-252. New York: Aldine de Gruyter.
Kirkwood, T., Bond, J., May, C., McKeith, I., and Teh, M. (2010). Mental capital and wellbeing through life: Future challenges. In C. Cooper, J. Field, U. Goswami, R. Jenkins, and B. Sahakian (Eds.), Mental capital and wellbeing (pp. 3–53). Chichester, UK: Wiley-Blackwell.
Low, L-F., Russell, F., McDonald, T., and Kauffman, A. (2015). Grandfriends, an intergenerational program for nursing-home residents and preschoolers: A randomized trial. Journal of Intergenerational Relationships 13(3), 227-240.
Murayama, Y., Obha, H., Yasunanaga, M., Nonaka, K., Takeuchi, R., Nishi, M., Sakuma, N., Uchida, H., Shinkai, S., and Fujiwara, Y. (2015). The effect of intergenerational programs on the mental health of elderly adults.</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/abab9846-94c6-4475-bd6a-de5e4d233411/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>070: Why isn’t my child grateful?</title><itunes:title>070: Why isn’t my child grateful?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[“I spent the whole morning painting and doing origami and felting projects with my daughter – and not only did she not say “thank you,” but she refused to help clean up!” (I actually said this myself this morning:-))

“We took our son to Disneyland and went on every ride he wanted to go on except one, which was closed, and he spent the rest of the trip whining about how the whole trip was ruined because he didn’t get to go on that one ride.” (I hope I never have to say this one…I’m not sure I could make it through Disneyland in one piece.)

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You might recall that we did an episode a while back on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners/">manners</a>, and what the research says about teaching manners, and how what the research says about teaching manners comes from the assumption that manners MUST be explicitly taught – that your child will NOT learn to say “thank you” unless you tell your child “say thank you” every time someone gives them a gift.

We also talked about how parent educator Robin Einzig uses the concept of “<a href="https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/">modeling graciousness</a>” and that if you treat other people graciously, when your child is ready, she will be gracious as well.  The problem here, of course, is that most people expect your child to display some kind of manners before they are developmentally ready to really understand the concept behind it.

But what really underlies manners?  Well, ideas like gratitude.  Because when we train children to say “thank you” before they are ready to do it themselves they might learn to recite the words at the appropriate time, but they aren’t <em>really experiencing gratitude</em>.

<a href="http://cds.web.unc.edu/mentors/tudge-jonathan/">Dr. Jonathan Tudge</a> of the University of North Carolina at Greensboro tells us much more about this, and how we can scaffold our child’s ability to experience gratitude, if we decide we might want to do that.

Dr. Tudge’s book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Developing-Gratitude-Children-Adolescents-Jonathan/dp/1107182727">Developing Gratitude in Children and Adolescents</a> (co-edited with Dr. Lia B. L. Freitas) contains lots more academic research on this topic if you’re interested.

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<strong>References</strong>

Halberstadt, A.G., Langley, H.A., Hussong, A.M., Rothenberg, W.A., Coffman, J.L., Mokrova, I., &amp; Costanzo, P.R. (2016). Parents’ understanding of gratitude in children: A thematic analysis. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 36, 439-451.

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Kiang, l. Mendonca S., Liang, Y., Payir, A., O’Brien, L.T., Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (2016). If children won lotteries: Materialism, gratitude, and imaginary windfall spending. Young Consumers 17(4), 408-418.

<hr />

Mendonca, S.E., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Payir, A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of gratitude in seven societies: Cross-cultural highlights. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 135-150.

<hr />

Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Poelker, A.E., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of the virtue of gratitude: Theoretical foundations and cross-cultural issues. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 3-18.

<hr />

Mokrova, I.L., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). Wishes, gratitude, and spending preferences in Russian Children. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 102-116.

<hr />

Nelson, J.A., Freitas, L.B.L., O’Brien, M., Calkins, S.D., Leerkes, E.M., &amp; Marcovich, S. (2013). Preschool-aged children’s understanding of gratitude: Relations with emotion and mental state knowledge. British Journal of Developmental Psychology 31, 42056.

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Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (Eds.) (2018). Developing gratitude in children and adolescents. Cambridge, U.K: Cambridge University Press.

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Wang, D., Wang, Y.C., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2015). Expressions of gratitude in children and adolescents: Insights from China and the United States. Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 46(8), 1039-1058.

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Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. You might recall that we did an episode a while back on manners and what the research says about teaching manners and how what the research says about teaching manners comes from the assumption that manners must be explicitly taught, that your child will not learn to say thank you unless you tell your child, say thank you every time someone gives them a gift. We also talked about how parent educator Robin Einzig uses the concept of “modeling graciousness” and that if you treat other people graciously when your child is ready, she will be gracious as well. The problem here, of course, is that most people expect your child to display some kind of manners before they’re developmentally ready to really understand the concept behind it. Recently I saw an article from the University of California Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center about the development of gratitude and I saw it quoted Professor Jonathan Tudge, who is actually edited a very recent book of research called developing gratitude in children and adolescents, and I knew we’d found the right person to speak with about this.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.391">[01:42]</a></u>

Professor Tudge, who goes by “Jon,” works in the Department of Human Development and Family Studies at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, although you will hear from his accent in a minute that he’s perhaps not native to that part of the world. Most of his research focuses on the interrelations between the social world and children’s social, moral and cognitive development. He draws heavily on the ideas of Lev Vygotsky and Urie Bronfenbrenner, both of whom are practically old friends of our regular listeners by now, which means he’s interested in how social relationships shape development and in observing children “in the wild” as it were, rather than in lab situations. Welcome Jon.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.7">[02:18]</a></u>

Welcome Jen. Thanks.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.02">[02:20]</a></u>

Thank you. So let’s start with the easy questions. What is gratitude? How do you define it?

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.92">[02:27]</a></u>

Yeah. It’s not terribly easy.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.28">[02:29]</a></u>

No, it’s not.

Dr. Tudge:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.75">[02:30]</a></u>

No. Um, I think there are three aspects to a definition of gratitude. First of all, there has to be a benefactor, so when who’s now given something that’s really nice or who’s helped in some nice way and second beneficiary, the person that received that has to appreciate the good intention of the benefactor and feel good about that person and about what’s being done. And third, I think this is the most important part, has to be interested, really addressed. It has to want to desire to reciprocate in some way if there’s an appropriate opportunity. So there are three different parts to what I think is a good definition of the word.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.94">[03:11]</a></u>

And so that sort of leads me to think that we’re going to struggle with this in very young children.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.68">[03:19]</a></u>

Uh, yes, we are. Obviously they’re not going to be grateful they’re not, they’re not. They’re not going to be grateful. Well, we have to be doing, I think is to try to think about ways in which we can best enable them over time to become the sort of grateful individuals we’d like them to be.

Dr. Tudge:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.37">[03:38]</a></u>

Yeah, and even adults I think struggle with this and I have struggled with this over the years and only, probably in the last maybe five to 10 years or so, have become more cognizant of the fact that when I do someone a favor, when I do something for them, it matters more that the favor, you know, it might be a very small favor, but if it’s something that the other person wants, that’s much better than something that I might perceive as being a really big deal and doing that for that person. If it’s not something the person...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“I spent the whole morning painting and doing origami and felting projects with my daughter – and not only did she not say “thank you,” but she refused to help clean up!” (I actually said this myself this morning:-))

“We took our son to Disneyland and went on every ride he wanted to go on except one, which was closed, and he spent the rest of the trip whining about how the whole trip was ruined because he didn’t get to go on that one ride.” (I hope I never have to say this one…I’m not sure I could make it through Disneyland in one piece.)

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You might recall that we did an episode a while back on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners/">manners</a>, and what the research says about teaching manners, and how what the research says about teaching manners comes from the assumption that manners MUST be explicitly taught – that your child will NOT learn to say “thank you” unless you tell your child “say thank you” every time someone gives them a gift.

We also talked about how parent educator Robin Einzig uses the concept of “<a href="https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/">modeling graciousness</a>” and that if you treat other people graciously, when your child is ready, she will be gracious as well.  The problem here, of course, is that most people expect your child to display some kind of manners before they are developmentally ready to really understand the concept behind it.

But what really underlies manners?  Well, ideas like gratitude.  Because when we train children to say “thank you” before they are ready to do it themselves they might learn to recite the words at the appropriate time, but they aren’t <em>really experiencing gratitude</em>.

<a href="http://cds.web.unc.edu/mentors/tudge-jonathan/">Dr. Jonathan Tudge</a> of the University of North Carolina at Greensboro tells us much more about this, and how we can scaffold our child’s ability to experience gratitude, if we decide we might want to do that.

Dr. Tudge’s book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Developing-Gratitude-Children-Adolescents-Jonathan/dp/1107182727">Developing Gratitude in Children and Adolescents</a> (co-edited with Dr. Lia B. L. Freitas) contains lots more academic research on this topic if you’re interested.

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<strong>References</strong>

Halberstadt, A.G., Langley, H.A., Hussong, A.M., Rothenberg, W.A., Coffman, J.L., Mokrova, I., &amp; Costanzo, P.R. (2016). Parents’ understanding of gratitude in children: A thematic analysis. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 36, 439-451.

<hr />

Kiang, l. Mendonca S., Liang, Y., Payir, A., O’Brien, L.T., Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (2016). If children won lotteries: Materialism, gratitude, and imaginary windfall spending. Young Consumers 17(4), 408-418.

<hr />

Mendonca, S.E., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Payir, A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of gratitude in seven societies: Cross-cultural highlights. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 135-150.

<hr />

Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Poelker, A.E., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of the virtue of gratitude: Theoretical foundations and cross-cultural issues. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 3-18.

<hr />

Mokrova, I.L., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). Wishes, gratitude, and spending preferences in Russian Children. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 102-116.

<hr />

Nelson, J.A., Freitas, L.B.L., O’Brien, M., Calkins, S.D., Leerkes, E.M., &amp; Marcovich, S. (2013). Preschool-aged children’s understanding of gratitude: Relations with emotion and mental state knowledge. British Journal of Developmental Psychology 31, 42056.

<hr />

Tudge, J.R.H., &amp; Freitas, L.B.L. (Eds.) (2018). Developing gratitude in children and adolescents. Cambridge, U.K: Cambridge University Press.

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Wang, D., Wang, Y.C., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2015). Expressions of gratitude in children and adolescents: Insights from China and the United States. Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 46(8), 1039-1058.

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Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.55"> [00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. You might recall that we did an episode a while back on manners and what the research says about teaching manners and how what the research says about teaching manners comes from the assumption that manners must be explicitly taught, that your child will not learn to say thank you unless you tell your child, say thank you every time someone gives them a gift. We also talked about how parent educator Robin Einzig uses the concept of “modeling graciousness” and that if you treat other people graciously when your child is ready, she will be gracious as well. The problem here, of course, is that most people expect your child to display some kind of manners before they’re developmentally ready to really understand the concept behind it. Recently I saw an article from the University of California Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center about the development of gratitude and I saw it quoted Professor Jonathan Tudge, who is actually edited a very recent book of research called developing gratitude in children and adolescents, and I knew we’d found the right person to speak with about this.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.391">[01:42]</a></u>

Professor Tudge, who goes by “Jon,” works in the Department of Human Development and Family Studies at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, although you will hear from his accent in a minute that he’s perhaps not native to that part of the world. Most of his research focuses on the interrelations between the social world and children’s social, moral and cognitive development. He draws heavily on the ideas of Lev Vygotsky and Urie Bronfenbrenner, both of whom are practically old friends of our regular listeners by now, which means he’s interested in how social relationships shape development and in observing children “in the wild” as it were, rather than in lab situations. Welcome Jon.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.7">[02:18]</a></u>

Welcome Jen. Thanks.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.02">[02:20]</a></u>

Thank you. So let’s start with the easy questions. What is gratitude? How do you define it?

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.92">[02:27]</a></u>

Yeah. It’s not terribly easy.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.28">[02:29]</a></u>

No, it’s not.

Dr. Tudge:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.75">[02:30]</a></u>

No. Um, I think there are three aspects to a definition of gratitude. First of all, there has to be a benefactor, so when who’s now given something that’s really nice or who’s helped in some nice way and second beneficiary, the person that received that has to appreciate the good intention of the benefactor and feel good about that person and about what’s being done. And third, I think this is the most important part, has to be interested, really addressed. It has to want to desire to reciprocate in some way if there’s an appropriate opportunity. So there are three different parts to what I think is a good definition of the word.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.94">[03:11]</a></u>

And so that sort of leads me to think that we’re going to struggle with this in very young children.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.68">[03:19]</a></u>

Uh, yes, we are. Obviously they’re not going to be grateful they’re not, they’re not. They’re not going to be grateful. Well, we have to be doing, I think is to try to think about ways in which we can best enable them over time to become the sort of grateful individuals we’d like them to be.

Dr. Tudge:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.37">[03:38]</a></u>

Yeah, and even adults I think struggle with this and I have struggled with this over the years and only, probably in the last maybe five to 10 years or so, have become more cognizant of the fact that when I do someone a favor, when I do something for them, it matters more that the favor, you know, it might be a very small favor, but if it’s something that the other person wants, that’s much better than something that I might perceive as being a really big deal and doing that for that person. If it’s not something the person really valued in the first place.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=248.07">[04:08]</a></u>

That’s right. Although I have to say, you know, if you try to do something that you think is going to be really nice for that person, I think that person ought to be grateful anyway because your intention was to do something nice for that person, right. So I think intentions do matter and that’s another reason why you can’t expect too much your children because it’s hard for children to understand exactly what someone else’s intention is.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.15">[04:34]</a></u>

Yeah, yeah, it is. Okay. So you have a very specific definition of gratitude and I think that from what I’ve read in your research and the research of others that can create problems when you try and measure gratitude because it seems as though all the tools that are used to measure it or looking at much more general concepts about how thankful is the child for being able to watch a sunset or for having things in their lives and that kind of thing. How does all that fit together?

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=301.74">[05:01]</a></u>

Yeah. It doesn’t fit very well at all that I think that most people who say they’re measuring gratitude are in fact measuring his appreciation, which is a different concept; its much broader. I have no problem with any of those scale as being a really good way of measuring how appreciative we are of all sorts of things. Whether it’s like you say, a beautiful sunset or the fact that is finally stopped thundering and lightning here, where I am, or the fact that you know, I live in a nice apartment here and I’m so much better off than anybody else, so I can appreciate all those sorts of things. I can appreciate the fact that I reached the grand old age of 69 and I’m very healthy. I mean so many things and that has almost nothing to do with gratitude.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.88">[05:46]</a></u>

And that’s specifically because nobody else is responsible for that. Right? There’s no benefactor that bestowed that on you.

Dr. Tudge:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=353.45">[05:53]</a></u>

There’s no benefactor.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.52">[05:54]</a></u>

Unless you have a particular world belief.

Dr. Tudge:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.01">[05:58]</a></u>

Well, yeah, you might. Even then that’s not enough. I think so. If I think the older this is your, for example, God, given which I might, but still if I don’t reciprocate in some way, just accept these things as my good fortune of my good luck or whatever, but don’t try and do anything to reciprocate I’m not being grateful. And I think that notion of trying to reciprocate if at all possible, you know, when it’s appropriate to do so is really important. So for example, if the sun was shining at the end of the day, beautiful sunset and I don’t appreciate it, people would never accuse me of being ungrateful, you know, it’d be stupid, wouldn’t it? They might say he’s unappreciative or you know, have a nice meal and I just wolf it down. You would never say I’m ungrateful for the meal or that I’m unappreciative of it.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=408.83">[06:48]</a></u>

You might say I’m ungrateful to the person who has taken the time to cook it for me. But that’s because gratitude is towards another person. And if someone has done something nice for me, I don’t think it matters terribly much how warm and fuzzy I feel they know a good emotional response to that, that wonderful meal or that kind act. That’s great. It’s nice, it feels good for me. But if I had the chance to do something for that person, when that person needs it and I don’t do anything, it doesn’t matter how warm, fuzzy, and emotionally appreciative I was, I’m still an ungrateful jerk because I didn’t help when I had the challenge to do so. So I think it really got to distinguish between those two things, between appreciation and gratitude, and even talking about gratitude. You can’t ignore an grateful ingratitude.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.52"> [07:47]</a></u>

So that makes me wonder then how critical is the other person’s need and reciprocating that gratitude if you never see the person have a need or is that just a completely unrealistic scenario? People are always going to have a need that you could potentially come in and fulfill.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=481.98">[08:01]</a></u>

No, I don’t think so. I think there oftentimes people do things for you and you never have a chance to reciprocate and that does not make you an ungrateful person. You know, we can’t always do it. And even if you know, let’s say it’s pouring with rain, you can tell what’s been going on here the last couple of days. It’s pouring with rain. You’ve really helped me. And I’m driving along and my little sports car – I don’t actually have a sports car but let’s say I do – and your stuck there by the side of the road. Should I pick you up? Well, of course I should if I’m a grateful person, but it so happens that right next to you is a heavily pregnant young woman who’s just about to give birth and needs to get to the hospital. I ignore you and pick her up and take you. One would say I’m ungrateful in that sense. There are some situations in which we can’t actually reciprocate and there are some times when we can reciprocate, but we still don’t actually do so for valid reasons. When we call so an ungrateful, it’s because they typically, when they have a relevant opportunity to reciprocate to someone that’s already done something nice for them, they don’t do that. And I don’t care how emotionally warm they felt when they got the benefit. If they don’t try and help when they have a chance, they’re not grateful. It’s that simple.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=568.91">[09:28]</a></u>

So then I think you’ve partially answered the question that is on all the parents’ minds, which is is the act of saying thank you, gratitude.

Dr. Tudge: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=580.11">[09:40]</a></u>

Well that’s a really interesting question, isn’t it? Because I [unintelligible] gratitude, but I think there are different types of gratitude and when you talk about a young child, you know, the mere fact of saying and meaning it, oh thank you Auntie Jen for giving me that, you know, is appropriate at the age. But if all we ever do is say thank you as adults and never tried to reciprocate, I think that’s not enough. So I think we got to think about not just gratitude is some generic thing, but rather has different types of gratitude that people can express. And you know, “thank you: is the simplest form. It is. It’s easily confused with just politeness. It doesn’t have anything to do necessarily with gratitude, but it could. I mean if you do something for me and I immediately say, “Oh Jen, thank you so much. I mean that was just absolutely wonderful what you’ve done for me. If ever I find a way to repay you, I’ll certainly try and do that.” That sounds to me like an expression of gratitude, right? So it’s not an grateful behavior, but I think we can do more on the more is that notion of reciprocation. So for young children that, that, you know saying thank you is not a bad thing at all.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VEdqU5J7nwQc3Ba4_FOrgCZthzCq06xW_E2ry7KIHcoy8ChtHBS0z0bmyHi4rL9XXGhbqS9IP3dtGbQy1fJvXcuyAjQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=665">[11:05]</a></u>

All right, so. So then let’s dig into that a little bit because just the getting the child to say “thank you” can be problematic. And so as we talked about in our episode on manners, the research basically concludes you have to do this and so what I am interested in is understanding does this hurt or does it help? So different researchers looked at whether parents will say say thank you to your child. Or some parents will say, “What do you say?” Well there’s only really one response there and I’ve sort of gone down a bit of a different tack in which when somebody gives my daughter a gift, I give her a minute. And most of the time she doesn’t say thank you, and I say, I really give a heartfelt thank you to the person who gave her the gift from me to the benefactor in the hopes that that will...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/gratitude]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2221</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2018 02:44:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/14072e0e-a5f5-408e-944a-3b27b4e85864/gratitudeedited.mp3" length="44158560" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>“I spent the whole morning painting and doing origami and felting projects with my daughter – and not only did she not say “thank you,” but she refused to help clean up!” (I actually said this myself this morning:-))
“We took our son to Disneyland and went on every ride he wanted to go on except one, which was closed, and he spent the rest of the trip whining about how the whole trip was ruined because he didn’t get to go on that one ride.” (I hope I never have to say this one…I’m not sure I could make it through Disneyland in one piece.)

You might recall that we did an episode a while back on https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners/ (manners), and what the research says about teaching manners, and how what the research says about teaching manners comes from the assumption that manners MUST be explicitly taught – that your child will NOT learn to say “thank you” unless you tell your child “say thank you” every time someone gives them a gift.
We also talked about how parent educator Robin Einzig uses the concept of “https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/ (modeling graciousness)” and that if you treat other people graciously, when your child is ready, she will be gracious as well.  The problem here, of course, is that most people expect your child to display some kind of manners before they are developmentally ready to really understand the concept behind it.
But what really underlies manners?  Well, ideas like gratitude.  Because when we train children to say “thank you” before they are ready to do it themselves they might learn to recite the words at the appropriate time, but they aren’t really experiencing gratitude.
http://cds.web.unc.edu/mentors/tudge-jonathan/ (Dr. Jonathan Tudge) of the University of North Carolina at Greensboro tells us much more about this, and how we can scaffold our child’s ability to experience gratitude, if we decide we might want to do that.
Dr. Tudge’s book, https://www.amazon.com/Developing-Gratitude-Children-Adolescents-Jonathan/dp/1107182727 (Developing Gratitude in Children and Adolescents) (co-edited with Dr. Lia B. L. Freitas) contains lots more academic research on this topic if you’re interested.
 
References
Halberstadt, A.G., Langley, H.A., Hussong, A.M., Rothenberg, W.A., Coffman, J.L., Mokrova, I., and Costanzo, P.R. (2016). Parents’ understanding of gratitude in children: A thematic analysis. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 36, 439-451.
Kiang, l. Mendonca S., Liang, Y., Payir, A., O’Brien, L.T., Tudge, J.R.H., and Freitas, L.B.L. (2016). If children won lotteries: Materialism, gratitude, and imaginary windfall spending. Young Consumers 17(4), 408-418.
Mendonca, S.E., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Payir, A., and Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of gratitude in seven societies: Cross-cultural highlights. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 135-150.
Mercon-Vargas, E.A., Poelker, A.E., and Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). The development of the virtue of gratitude: Theoretical foundations and cross-cultural issues. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 3-18.
Mokrova, I.L., Mercon-Vargas, E.A., and Tudge, J.R.H. (2018). Wishes, gratitude, and spending preferences in Russian Children. Cross-Cultural Research 52(1), 102-116.
Nelson, J.A., Freitas, L.B.L., O’Brien, M., Calkins, S.D., Leerkes, E.M., and Marcovich, S. (2013). Preschool-aged children’s understanding of gratitude: Relations with emotion and mental state knowledge. British Journal of Developmental Psychology 31, 42056.
Tudge, J.R.H., and Freitas, L.B.L. (Eds.) (2018). Developing gratitude in children and adolescents. Cambridge, U.K: Cambridge University Press.
Wang, D., Wang, Y.C., and Tudge, J.R.H. (2015). Expressions of gratitude in children and adolescents: Ins...</itunes:summary></item><item><title>069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma</title><itunes:title>069: Reducing the impact of intergenerational trauma</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you ever snap at your child over tiny things, and wonder where that intense anger comes from? You're not alone - and there's actually a scientific explanation for why this happens.

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What you're experiencing might be intergenerational trauma - the way traumatic experiences and their effects get passed down from parents to children, often without us even realizing it. But here's the hopeful part: understanding how this works is the first step to breaking the cycle.

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In this episode, I talk with <a href="https://www.stonehill.edu/directory/rebecca-l-babcock-fenerci/">Dr. Rebecca Babcock-Fenerci</a>, a clinical psychologist from Stonehill College who researches exactly how trauma transmits across generations and what we can do about it. She explains the science behind the reasons our brains react so strongly to certain parenting situations, and why some survivors seem to come through trauma unscathed while others struggle daily. Most importantly, she helps us to examine some of the ways we can recognize the impact of this trauma on ourselves. And with this awareness and the right tools, we can heal these patterns and create the calm, connected relationships with our children that we've always wanted.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is the definition of intergenerational trauma?</strong>

Dr. Babcock-Fenerci explains that intergenerational trauma occurs when parents who experienced trauma pass both the direct traumatic experiences and the psychological consequences (like PTSD, mood disorders, and disrupted attachment) to their children through various mechanisms including genetics, epigenetics, and parenting behaviors.

&nbsp;

<strong>How is trauma actually passed down through generations?</strong>

Trauma transmits through multiple pathways: genetic predisposition, epigenetic changes (where experiences turn genes on or off), trauma-related thought patterns in parents, and when children serve as unconscious trauma reminders that trigger the parent's unprocessed emotions and memories.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do some trauma survivors seem fine while others struggle a lot more?</strong>

Individual responses vary based on genetic predisposition, personality differences, other life stressors, and the severity/duration of the trauma. Even siblings in the same family can have completely different outcomes due to these complex interactions between genetics and environment.

&nbsp;

<strong>Should parents talk to their children about their trauma history?</strong>

The answer lies between two extremes - never talking about it can prevent healing, while over-sharing inappropriately can cause vicarious trauma. Parents should consider the child's developmental stage, let children's questions guide conversations, and think through the purpose and potential impact before sharing.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are common anger triggers for parents with trauma history?</strong>

Parents often get triggered by situations that unconsciously remind them of their own childhood experiences - like children repeating behaviors, not listening, or general parenting situations that activate old trauma memories. The key is gaining insight into why these specific situations cause such intense reactions.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can parents recognize if their trauma is affecting their children?</strong>

Warning signs include behavior problems, mood issues, anxiety, conflict in the parent-child relationship, or when a parent notices their own emotional reactions seem disproportionate to the situation. These may indicate intergenerational trauma transmission.

&nbsp;

<strong>What can parents do to break the cycle of family trauma?</strong>

Processing involves gaining insight into triggers, understanding where intense emotions come from, seeking therapy when needed, learning emotional regulation techniques like taking breaths during triggered moments, and working on unresolved trauma with professional support.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
You'll discover the science behind what we know of how trauma passes between generations, including the role of epigenetics, and how unprocessed trauma memories affect current parenting situations.

&nbsp;

Through discussion of various stories (including a Vietnamese refugee family, an adoptee from Russia, and a family who escaped domestic violence), you'll see how intergenerational trauma plays out in real families and recognize patterns in your own life.

&nbsp;

Learn concrete techniques for managing trauma triggers, including the power of taking a breath before reacting, gaining insight into your emotional patterns, and working as a family team to manage difficult moments together.

&nbsp;

Dr. Babcock-Fenerci shares research-backed approaches to trauma processing, when therapy is helpful, and considerations for confronting people who have hurt you.

&nbsp;

Understand why trauma memories work differently than regular memories, how the fight-or-flight response affects parenting, and why gaining conscious insight into unconscious patterns can literally change how your brain responds to triggers.

&nbsp;
<h2>FAQ</h2>
<strong>Does having childhood trauma mean I'll definitely harm my children?</strong>

No. Research shows that 75% of parents who experienced childhood maltreatment do NOT go on to maltreat their own children. Having trauma doesn't doom you to repeat cycles - awareness and healing work can help you break patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I know if my childhood was "traumatic enough" to affect my parenting?</strong>

Any experience that left you with intense emotional reactions, unprocessed memories, or patterns that feel out of proportion to current situations may be worth exploring. Trauma isn't just severe abuse - it includes emotional neglect, witnessing violence, or feeling unsafe or unloved as a child.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if I don't remember much of my childhood?</strong>

Memory gaps can actually be a sign of trauma processing through dissociation. Your body and emotional patterns may hold trauma memories even when your conscious mind doesn't. Pay attention to your current triggers and reactions for clues.

&nbsp;

<strong>Is it too late to heal if I'm already a parent?</strong>

It's never too late. Dr. Babcock-Fenerci emphasizes that healing is an ongoing process, not a destination. Even small insights and changes in how you respond to triggers can make a meaningful difference for both you and your children.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I find a good trauma therapist?</strong>

Look for therapists trained in trauma-specific approaches like trauma-focused cognitive behavioral therapy, and EMDR. They should understand both individual trauma work and how it affects family relationships.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my partner doesn't understand or support my healing work?</strong>

This is common and challenging. Consider couples therapy, sharing educational resources about trauma, or working on your own healing first. Sometimes seeing positive changes in you can help partners become more supportive over time.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can children be resilient despite intergenerational trauma?</strong>

Yes. Dr. Fenerci notes that humans are inherently resilient. While trauma can have impacts, many factors contribute to resilience including supportive relationships, processing experiences, and developing coping skills. Awareness and healing work strengthen this natural resilience.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's the difference between normal parenting stress and trauma responses?</strong>

Trauma responses tend to be more intense than the situation warrants - like "seeing red" over minor issues, having physical reactions, or responses that feel connected to your own childhood experiences rather than just your child's current behavior.

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<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you need help with your own big feelings about your child’s behavior, sign up for the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

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We’ll help you to:
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<strong>References</strong>

Auerhahn, N.C., &amp; Laub, D. (1998). Intergenerational memory of the Holocaust. In Y. Danieli (Ed.), <em>International handbook of multigenerational legacies of trauma</em> (pp.21-41). New York, NY: Plenum.

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Babcock, R.L., &amp; DePrince, A.P. (2013). Factors contributing to ongoing intimate partner abuse: Childhood betrayal trauma and dependence on one’s perpetrator. <em>Journal of Interpersonal Violence 28</em>(7), 1385-1402.

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Berthelot, N., Ensink, K., Bernazzani, O., Normandin, L., Fonagy, P., &amp; Luyten, P. (2015). Intergenerational transmission of attachment in abused and neglected mothers: The role of trauma-specific reflective functioning. <em>Infant Mental Health Journal 36</em>(2), 200-212.

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Cross, D., Vance, L.A., Kim, Y.J., Ruchard, A.L., Fox, N., Jovanovic, T., &amp; Bradley, B. (2017). Trauma exposure, PTSD, and parenting in a community sample of low-income, predominantly African American mothers...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you ever snap at your child over tiny things, and wonder where that intense anger comes from? You're not alone - and there's actually a scientific explanation for why this happens.

&nbsp;

What you're experiencing might be intergenerational trauma - the way traumatic experiences and their effects get passed down from parents to children, often without us even realizing it. But here's the hopeful part: understanding how this works is the first step to breaking the cycle.

&nbsp;

In this episode, I talk with <a href="https://www.stonehill.edu/directory/rebecca-l-babcock-fenerci/">Dr. Rebecca Babcock-Fenerci</a>, a clinical psychologist from Stonehill College who researches exactly how trauma transmits across generations and what we can do about it. She explains the science behind the reasons our brains react so strongly to certain parenting situations, and why some survivors seem to come through trauma unscathed while others struggle daily. Most importantly, she helps us to examine some of the ways we can recognize the impact of this trauma on ourselves. And with this awareness and the right tools, we can heal these patterns and create the calm, connected relationships with our children that we've always wanted.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions This Episode Will Answer</h2>
<strong>What is the definition of intergenerational trauma?</strong>

Dr. Babcock-Fenerci explains that intergenerational trauma occurs when parents who experienced trauma pass both the direct traumatic experiences and the psychological consequences (like PTSD, mood disorders, and disrupted attachment) to their children through various mechanisms including genetics, epigenetics, and parenting behaviors.

&nbsp;

<strong>How is trauma actually passed down through generations?</strong>

Trauma transmits through multiple pathways: genetic predisposition, epigenetic changes (where experiences turn genes on or off), trauma-related thought patterns in parents, and when children serve as unconscious trauma reminders that trigger the parent's unprocessed emotions and memories.

&nbsp;

<strong>Why do some trauma survivors seem fine while others struggle a lot more?</strong>

Individual responses vary based on genetic predisposition, personality differences, other life stressors, and the severity/duration of the trauma. Even siblings in the same family can have completely different outcomes due to these complex interactions between genetics and environment.

&nbsp;

<strong>Should parents talk to their children about their trauma history?</strong>

The answer lies between two extremes - never talking about it can prevent healing, while over-sharing inappropriately can cause vicarious trauma. Parents should consider the child's developmental stage, let children's questions guide conversations, and think through the purpose and potential impact before sharing.

&nbsp;

<strong>What are common anger triggers for parents with trauma history?</strong>

Parents often get triggered by situations that unconsciously remind them of their own childhood experiences - like children repeating behaviors, not listening, or general parenting situations that activate old trauma memories. The key is gaining insight into why these specific situations cause such intense reactions.

&nbsp;

<strong>How can parents recognize if their trauma is affecting their children?</strong>

Warning signs include behavior problems, mood issues, anxiety, conflict in the parent-child relationship, or when a parent notices their own emotional reactions seem disproportionate to the situation. These may indicate intergenerational trauma transmission.

&nbsp;

<strong>What can parents do to break the cycle of family trauma?</strong>

Processing involves gaining insight into triggers, understanding where intense emotions come from, seeking therapy when needed, learning emotional regulation techniques like taking breaths during triggered moments, and working on unresolved trauma with professional support.

&nbsp;
<h2>What You'll Learn in This Episode</h2>
You'll discover the science behind what we know of how trauma passes between generations, including the role of epigenetics, and how unprocessed trauma memories affect current parenting situations.

&nbsp;

Through discussion of various stories (including a Vietnamese refugee family, an adoptee from Russia, and a family who escaped domestic violence), you'll see how intergenerational trauma plays out in real families and recognize patterns in your own life.

&nbsp;

Learn concrete techniques for managing trauma triggers, including the power of taking a breath before reacting, gaining insight into your emotional patterns, and working as a family team to manage difficult moments together.

&nbsp;

Dr. Babcock-Fenerci shares research-backed approaches to trauma processing, when therapy is helpful, and considerations for confronting people who have hurt you.

&nbsp;

Understand why trauma memories work differently than regular memories, how the fight-or-flight response affects parenting, and why gaining conscious insight into unconscious patterns can literally change how your brain responds to triggers.

&nbsp;
<h2>FAQ</h2>
<strong>Does having childhood trauma mean I'll definitely harm my children?</strong>

No. Research shows that 75% of parents who experienced childhood maltreatment do NOT go on to maltreat their own children. Having trauma doesn't doom you to repeat cycles - awareness and healing work can help you break patterns.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I know if my childhood was "traumatic enough" to affect my parenting?</strong>

Any experience that left you with intense emotional reactions, unprocessed memories, or patterns that feel out of proportion to current situations may be worth exploring. Trauma isn't just severe abuse - it includes emotional neglect, witnessing violence, or feeling unsafe or unloved as a child.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if I don't remember much of my childhood?</strong>

Memory gaps can actually be a sign of trauma processing through dissociation. Your body and emotional patterns may hold trauma memories even when your conscious mind doesn't. Pay attention to your current triggers and reactions for clues.

&nbsp;

<strong>Is it too late to heal if I'm already a parent?</strong>

It's never too late. Dr. Babcock-Fenerci emphasizes that healing is an ongoing process, not a destination. Even small insights and changes in how you respond to triggers can make a meaningful difference for both you and your children.

&nbsp;

<strong>How do I find a good trauma therapist?</strong>

Look for therapists trained in trauma-specific approaches like trauma-focused cognitive behavioral therapy, and EMDR. They should understand both individual trauma work and how it affects family relationships.

&nbsp;

<strong>What if my partner doesn't understand or support my healing work?</strong>

This is common and challenging. Consider couples therapy, sharing educational resources about trauma, or working on your own healing first. Sometimes seeing positive changes in you can help partners become more supportive over time.

&nbsp;

<strong>Can children be resilient despite intergenerational trauma?</strong>

Yes. Dr. Fenerci notes that humans are inherently resilient. While trauma can have impacts, many factors contribute to resilience including supportive relationships, processing experiences, and developing coping skills. Awareness and healing work strengthen this natural resilience.

&nbsp;

<strong>What's the difference between normal parenting stress and trauma responses?</strong>

Trauma responses tend to be more intense than the situation warrants - like "seeing red" over minor issues, having physical reactions, or responses that feel connected to your own childhood experiences rather than just your child's current behavior.

&nbsp;
<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you need help with your own big feelings about your child’s behavior, sign up for the Taming Your Triggers workshop.

&nbsp;

We’ll help you to:
<ul><li>Understand the real causes of your triggered feelings, and begin to heal the hurts that cause them</li><li>Use new tools like the ones Katie describes to find ways to meet both her and her children’s needs</li><li>Effectively repair with your children on the fewer instances when you are still triggered</li></ul><br/>
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Auerhahn, N.C., &amp; Laub, D. (1998). Intergenerational memory of the Holocaust. In Y. Danieli (Ed.), <em>International handbook of multigenerational legacies of trauma</em> (pp.21-41). New York, NY: Plenum.

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Babcock, R.L., &amp; DePrince, A.P. (2013). Factors contributing to ongoing intimate partner abuse: Childhood betrayal trauma and dependence on one’s perpetrator. <em>Journal of Interpersonal Violence 28</em>(7), 1385-1402.

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Berthelot, N., Ensink, K., Bernazzani, O., Normandin, L., Fonagy, P., &amp; Luyten, P. (2015). Intergenerational transmission of attachment in abused and neglected mothers: The role of trauma-specific reflective functioning. <em>Infant Mental Health Journal 36</em>(2), 200-212.

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Cross, D., Vance, L.A., Kim, Y.J., Ruchard, A.L., Fox, N., Jovanovic, T., &amp; Bradley, B. (2017). Trauma exposure, PTSD, and parenting in a community sample of low-income, predominantly African American mothers and children. Psychological Trauma: Theory, Research, Practice, and Policy. <em>Psychological Trauma 10</em>(3), 327-335.

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Dias, B.G., &amp; Ressler, K.J. (2014). Parental olfactory experience influences behavior and neural structure in subsequent generations. <em>Nature Neuroscience 17</em>, 89-96.

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Fenerci, R.L.B., &amp; DePrince, A.P. (2018). Intergenerational transmission of trauma: Maternal trauma-related cognitions and toddler symptoms. <em>Child Maltreatment 23</em>(2), 126-136.

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Fenerci, R.L.B., &amp; DePrince, A.P. (2017). Shame and alienation related to child maltreatment: Links to symptoms across generations. <em>Psychological Trauma: Theory, Research, Practice, and Policy.</em> Epub ahead of print. doi: 10.1037/tra0000332

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Fenerci, R.L.B. &amp; DePrince, A.P. (2016). Intergenerational transmission of trauma-related distress: Maternal betrayal trauma, parenting attitudes, and behaviors. <em>Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment &amp; Trauma 25</em>(4), 382-399.

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Kellerman, N.P.F. (2013). Epigentic transmission of Holocaust trauma: Can nightmares be inherited? <em>Israel Journal of Psychiatry and Related Sciences 50</em>(1), 33-39.

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Nagata, D.K. (1998). Intergenerational effects of the Japanese American internment. In Y. Danieli (Ed.), <em>International handbook of multigenerational legacies of trauma</em> (pp.125-139). New York, NY: Plenum.

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Oliver, J.E. (1993). Intergenerational transmission of child abuse: Rates, research, and clinical implications. <em>American Journal of Psychiatry 150</em>, 1315-1324.

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Riva, M.A. (2017). Epigenetic signatures of early life adversities in animal models: A role for psychopathology vulnerability. <em>European Psychiatry 415</em>, S29.

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Yehuda, R., Daskalakis, N.P., Bierer, L.M., Bader, H.N., Klengel, T., Holsboer, F., &amp; Binder, E.B. (2016). Holocaust exposure induced intergenerational effects on FKBP5 methylation. <em>Biological Psychiatry 80</em>, 372-380.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/intergenerationaltrauma]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2200</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/901dda96-9d19-42fc-9c2a-08d10e167393/intergenerational-traumaedited.mp3" length="54988719" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>69</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>69</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5aa2403d-3d50-4529-9927-9097d2c883e9/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>068: Do I HAVE to pretend play with my child?</title><itunes:title>068: Do I HAVE to pretend play with my child?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Pretty regularly I see posts in online parenting groups saying “My child loves to pretend, and they always want me to participate.  I dare not tell anyone else, but I CAN’T STAND PRETEND PLAY.  What should I do?”

In this final (unless something else catches my interest!) episode in our extended series on play, Dr. Ansley Gilpin of the University of Alabama helps us to do a deep dive into what children learn from pretend play, and specifically what they learn from fantasy play, which is pretend play regarding things that could not happen in real life (like making popcorn on Mars).

We’ll discuss the connection between fantasy play and children’s executive function, the problems with studying fantasy play, and the thing you’ve been waiting for: do you HAVE to do fantasy play with your child if you just can’t stand it (and what to do instead!)

If you missed other episodes in this series, you might want to check them out: we started out asking “<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">what is the value of play?”</a>, then we looked at <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">the benefits of outdoor play</a> and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">talked with Dr. Scott Sampson</a> about his book How to Raise a Wild Child.  We wrapped up with outdoor play by trying to understand <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/riskyplay/">whether we should allow our children to take more risks</a>.

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<strong>References</strong>

Bergen, D. (2013). Does pretend play matter? Searching for Evidence: Comment on Lillard et al. (2013).<em> Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 45-48.

<hr />

Buchsbaum, D., Bridgers, S., Weisberg, D.S., &amp; Gopnik, A. (2012). The power of possibility: Causal learning, counterfactual reasoning, and pretend play. <em>Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society 367</em>. 2202-2212.

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Carlson, S.M., White, R.E., &amp; Davis-Unger, A.C. (2014). Evidence for a relation between executive function and pretense representation in preschool children. <em>Cognitive Development 29</em>, 1-16.

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Gilpin, A.T., Brown, MM., &amp; Pierucci, J.M. (2015). Relations between fantasy orientation and emotion regulation in preschool. <em>Early Education and Development 26</em>(7), 920-932.

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Hirsh-Pasek, K., Weisberg, D.S., &amp; Golinkoff, R.M. (2013). Embracing complexity: Rethinking the relation between play and learning: Comment on Lillard et al. (2013). <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 35-39.

<hr />

Hoffman, J.D., &amp; Russ, S.W. (2016). Fostering pretend play skills and creativity in elementary school school girls: A group play intervention. <em>Psychology of Aesthetics, Creativity, and the Arts 10</em>(1), 114-125.

<hr />

Krasnor, L. R., &amp; Pepler, D. J. (1980). The study of children’s play: Some suggested future directions. In K. H. Rubin (Ed.), <em>Children’s play: New directions for child development</em> (pp. 85–95). San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.

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Lancy, D. F. (2015). <em>The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings.</em> Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

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Li, J., Hestenes, L.L., &amp; Wang, Y.C. (2016). Links between preschool children’s social skills and observed pretend play in outdoor childcare environments. <em>Early Childhood Education Journal 44</em>, 61-68.

<hr />

Lillard, A. (2011). Mother-child fantasy play. In A. D. Pelligrini (Ed.), <em>The Oxford handbook of the development of play</em> (pp. 284–295). New York, NY: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Lillard, A.S., Lerner, M.D., Hopkins, E.J., Dore, R.A., Smith, E.D., &amp; Palmquist, C.M. (2013). The impact of pretend play on children’s development: A review of the evidence. <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 1-34.

<hr />

Lillard, A.S., Hopkins, E.J., Dore, R.A., Palmquist, C.M., Lerner, M.D., &amp; Smith, E.D. (2013). Concepts, theories, methods and reasons: Why do the children (pretend) play? Reply to Weisberg, Hirsh-Pasek and Golinkoff (2013); Bergen (2013); and Walker and Gopnik (2013). <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 49-52.

<hr />

Ma, L., &amp; Lillard, A. (2017). The evolutionary significance of pretend play: Two-year-olds’ interpretation of behavioral cues. <em>Learning &amp; Behavior 45</em>, 441-448.

<hr />

Paley, V. (2009). The importance of fantasy, fairness, and friends in children’s play: An interview with Vivian Gussin Paley. <em>American Journal of Play 2</em>(2), 121-138.

<hr />

Pierucci, J.M., O’Brien, C.T., McInnis, M.A., Gilpin, A.T., &amp; Barber, A.B. (2014). Fantasy orientation constructs and related executive function development in preschool: Developmental benefits to executive functions by being a fantasy-oriented child. <em>International Journal of Behavioral Development 38</em>(1), 62-69.

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Singer, D.G., &amp; Singer, J.L. (2013). Reflections on pretend play, imagination, and child development. <em>Interview in American Journal of Play 6</em>(1), 1-13.

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Sutton-Smith, B., &amp; Kelly-Byrne, D. (1984). The idealization of play. In P. K. Smith (Ed.), <em>Play in animals and humans</em> (pp. 305–321). Oxford, England: Blackwell.

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Taggart, J., Heise, M.J., &amp; Lillard, A.S. (2018). The real thing: Preschoolers prefer actual activities to pretend ones. <em>Developmental Science 21</em>, e12582.

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.1">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of your parenting Mojo. We’ve done a number of episodes by now in our series on the importance of play and I think this actually might be the last of them for a while. We started out by asking what is the value of play, and then we looked at the benefits of outdoor play and we talked with Dr Scott Sampson about his book, How to Raise a Wild Child. Then we wrapped up with outdoor play by trying to understand whether we should allow our children to take more risks. As we finish this whole series on play, I wanted to look at a question that comes up a lot in parenting groups that I’m in, which is: “my child loves fantasy play, but I just can’t stand it. What do I do?” So in this episode we’re going to try and get to the bottom of whether fantasy play really is important to a child’s development and what you can do if you just can’t stand it either.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.93">[01:24]</a></u>

So to help us think through these things. I’m here today with Dr Ansley Gilpin, who is an associate professor at the University of Alabama and a developmental psychologist whose research focuses on cognitive development in early childhood, so between about ages three and eight, specifically with a focus on executive functions and imagination as well as development of academic and socioemotional skills. Dr Gilpin is exploring the potential mediation effect of executive functions on school readiness intervention outcomes as well as long term intervention effects on cognitive development. Welcome Dr. Gilpin.

New Speaker:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.66">[01:57]</a></u>

Thank you for having me.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.19">[01:59]</a></u>

All right, so let’s start all the way at the beginning here. I wonder if you could define for us what is fantasy play.

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.5">[02:06]</a></u>

So when we talk about fantasy play in research and when I observed children doing it in their natural day to day lives I’m talking about is a type of pretend play that children tend to do on their own, which involves them pretending something that they don’t experience in everyday life. So differentiated from pretending to be a mommy or pretending to cook or pretending to go to the movies. So with fantasy play they are pretending something that they have not experienced before, like making popcorn on the moon.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=165.93">[02:45]</a></u>

Oh Wow. Okay. So that, that’s a very important distinction there. So pretend play is one thing and fantasy play is another thing as far as the research is concerned, then?

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=176.93">[02:56]</a></u>

Pretty much. Fantasy play as a type of pretend.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=179.68">[02:59]</a></u>

Okay. Okay Great. So there has been a fair bit of research done on the benefits of fantasy play on children’s development. And when I read in the popular press about fantasy play, I see these general assumptions that are]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Pretty regularly I see posts in online parenting groups saying “My child loves to pretend, and they always want me to participate.  I dare not tell anyone else, but I CAN’T STAND PRETEND PLAY.  What should I do?”

In this final (unless something else catches my interest!) episode in our extended series on play, Dr. Ansley Gilpin of the University of Alabama helps us to do a deep dive into what children learn from pretend play, and specifically what they learn from fantasy play, which is pretend play regarding things that could not happen in real life (like making popcorn on Mars).

We’ll discuss the connection between fantasy play and children’s executive function, the problems with studying fantasy play, and the thing you’ve been waiting for: do you HAVE to do fantasy play with your child if you just can’t stand it (and what to do instead!)

If you missed other episodes in this series, you might want to check them out: we started out asking “<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">what is the value of play?”</a>, then we looked at <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">the benefits of outdoor play</a> and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">talked with Dr. Scott Sampson</a> about his book How to Raise a Wild Child.  We wrapped up with outdoor play by trying to understand <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/riskyplay/">whether we should allow our children to take more risks</a>.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bergen, D. (2013). Does pretend play matter? Searching for Evidence: Comment on Lillard et al. (2013).<em> Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 45-48.

<hr />

Buchsbaum, D., Bridgers, S., Weisberg, D.S., &amp; Gopnik, A. (2012). The power of possibility: Causal learning, counterfactual reasoning, and pretend play. <em>Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society 367</em>. 2202-2212.

<hr />

Carlson, S.M., White, R.E., &amp; Davis-Unger, A.C. (2014). Evidence for a relation between executive function and pretense representation in preschool children. <em>Cognitive Development 29</em>, 1-16.

<hr />

Gilpin, A.T., Brown, MM., &amp; Pierucci, J.M. (2015). Relations between fantasy orientation and emotion regulation in preschool. <em>Early Education and Development 26</em>(7), 920-932.

<hr />

Hirsh-Pasek, K., Weisberg, D.S., &amp; Golinkoff, R.M. (2013). Embracing complexity: Rethinking the relation between play and learning: Comment on Lillard et al. (2013). <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 35-39.

<hr />

Hoffman, J.D., &amp; Russ, S.W. (2016). Fostering pretend play skills and creativity in elementary school school girls: A group play intervention. <em>Psychology of Aesthetics, Creativity, and the Arts 10</em>(1), 114-125.

<hr />

Krasnor, L. R., &amp; Pepler, D. J. (1980). The study of children’s play: Some suggested future directions. In K. H. Rubin (Ed.), <em>Children’s play: New directions for child development</em> (pp. 85–95). San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Lancy, D. F. (2015). <em>The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings.</em> Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Li, J., Hestenes, L.L., &amp; Wang, Y.C. (2016). Links between preschool children’s social skills and observed pretend play in outdoor childcare environments. <em>Early Childhood Education Journal 44</em>, 61-68.

<hr />

Lillard, A. (2011). Mother-child fantasy play. In A. D. Pelligrini (Ed.), <em>The Oxford handbook of the development of play</em> (pp. 284–295). New York, NY: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Lillard, A.S., Lerner, M.D., Hopkins, E.J., Dore, R.A., Smith, E.D., &amp; Palmquist, C.M. (2013). The impact of pretend play on children’s development: A review of the evidence. <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 1-34.

<hr />

Lillard, A.S., Hopkins, E.J., Dore, R.A., Palmquist, C.M., Lerner, M.D., &amp; Smith, E.D. (2013). Concepts, theories, methods and reasons: Why do the children (pretend) play? Reply to Weisberg, Hirsh-Pasek and Golinkoff (2013); Bergen (2013); and Walker and Gopnik (2013). <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(1), 49-52.

<hr />

Ma, L., &amp; Lillard, A. (2017). The evolutionary significance of pretend play: Two-year-olds’ interpretation of behavioral cues. <em>Learning &amp; Behavior 45</em>, 441-448.

<hr />

Paley, V. (2009). The importance of fantasy, fairness, and friends in children’s play: An interview with Vivian Gussin Paley. <em>American Journal of Play 2</em>(2), 121-138.

<hr />

Pierucci, J.M., O’Brien, C.T., McInnis, M.A., Gilpin, A.T., &amp; Barber, A.B. (2014). Fantasy orientation constructs and related executive function development in preschool: Developmental benefits to executive functions by being a fantasy-oriented child. <em>International Journal of Behavioral Development 38</em>(1), 62-69.

<hr />

Singer, D.G., &amp; Singer, J.L. (2013). Reflections on pretend play, imagination, and child development. <em>Interview in American Journal of Play 6</em>(1), 1-13.

<hr />

Sutton-Smith, B., &amp; Kelly-Byrne, D. (1984). The idealization of play. In P. K. Smith (Ed.), <em>Play in animals and humans</em> (pp. 305–321). Oxford, England: Blackwell.

<hr />

Taggart, J., Heise, M.J., &amp; Lillard, A.S. (2018). The real thing: Preschoolers prefer actual activities to pretend ones. <em>Developmental Science 21</em>, e12582.

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.1">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of your parenting Mojo. We’ve done a number of episodes by now in our series on the importance of play and I think this actually might be the last of them for a while. We started out by asking what is the value of play, and then we looked at the benefits of outdoor play and we talked with Dr Scott Sampson about his book, How to Raise a Wild Child. Then we wrapped up with outdoor play by trying to understand whether we should allow our children to take more risks. As we finish this whole series on play, I wanted to look at a question that comes up a lot in parenting groups that I’m in, which is: “my child loves fantasy play, but I just can’t stand it. What do I do?” So in this episode we’re going to try and get to the bottom of whether fantasy play really is important to a child’s development and what you can do if you just can’t stand it either.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.93">[01:24]</a></u>

So to help us think through these things. I’m here today with Dr Ansley Gilpin, who is an associate professor at the University of Alabama and a developmental psychologist whose research focuses on cognitive development in early childhood, so between about ages three and eight, specifically with a focus on executive functions and imagination as well as development of academic and socioemotional skills. Dr Gilpin is exploring the potential mediation effect of executive functions on school readiness intervention outcomes as well as long term intervention effects on cognitive development. Welcome Dr. Gilpin.

New Speaker:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.66">[01:57]</a></u>

Thank you for having me.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.19">[01:59]</a></u>

All right, so let’s start all the way at the beginning here. I wonder if you could define for us what is fantasy play.

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.5">[02:06]</a></u>

So when we talk about fantasy play in research and when I observed children doing it in their natural day to day lives I’m talking about is a type of pretend play that children tend to do on their own, which involves them pretending something that they don’t experience in everyday life. So differentiated from pretending to be a mommy or pretending to cook or pretending to go to the movies. So with fantasy play they are pretending something that they have not experienced before, like making popcorn on the moon.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=165.93">[02:45]</a></u>

Oh Wow. Okay. So that, that’s a very important distinction there. So pretend play is one thing and fantasy play is another thing as far as the research is concerned, then?

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=176.93">[02:56]</a></u>

Pretty much. Fantasy play as a type of pretend.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=179.68">[02:59]</a></u>

Okay. Okay Great. So there has been a fair bit of research done on the benefits of fantasy play on children’s development. And when I read in the popular press about fantasy play, I see these general assumptions that are made that fantasy play is really critical for children’s development. And I know that there was a meta-analysis done, which is a study that looks at a lot of different studies and tries to understand what’s the overall direction of the evidence and you weren’t involved in that study, but I know that you’ve commented on it and your work as well, but that method analysis examined theoretical ways that fantasy play could influence a child’s development and those kind of varied from fantasy play having a critical role to being an index rather than a promoter of development to a fantasy play. Kind of coinciding with other aspects of development but not really being that important. And I was really surprised to find in that paper that the research really doesn’t support the position that fantasy play is critical to the majority of aspects of children’s development, but the far larger problem, but most of the research has such a huge methodological problems that it’s hard to say much more than fantasy play might be linked with some aspects of children’s development. I wonder if you could kind of comment on the general status of the literature and your view of it.

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.56">[04:14]</a></u>

Yes. So this is one exciting part of this research, so with Dr Lillard she and her colleagues demonstrated was going through all of the research on pretense, pretend, play, imaginative play, fantasy, play, all those different types of play that are really very similar and looking to see whether or not there was research to show that really it was causal in facilitating development and part of the excitement is that we don’t know the answer to that yet and we don’t have a lot of support to show that it’s actually causing development to occur or that it is absolutely critical for development and it may not be; it may just be to her point related to development or it may enhance development. It may just develop at the same time as other skills. So we really don’t know. And as we improve on methodology and improve on our physiological measurements and biological measurements and our ability to observe naturalistic play and get multiple measures, that’s really going to help us be able to make those decisions. And so really as the research skill technique and equipment evolves, we will evolve with this question.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.66">[05:42]</a></u>

Okay. Yeah. And I did wonder to what extent, the way that we attempt to study pretend play is part of the reason that we’re not finding these significant effects. Because when you actually go into some of the studies that are included in that meta-analysis and you look at the methodology, you see the researchers are often going to put children in a lab and they asked them to do some kind of specific task and then they say, okay, now let’s pretend with this specific toy that I’m giving you and you have to do it in this way. And so firstly, I wonder, is it possible that researchers don’t differentiate between pretend and fantasy play in the way that you just did? And secondly, children engaging in fantasy play at home: it’s the child that says, “Mom, I’m going to make popcorn on the moon.” It’s not me that saying that. So how much of this is an artifact of the researcher telling the child how to play?

Dr. Gilpin:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=389.54">[06:29]</a></u>

Right? And so I recently got a grant from the Templeton Foundation to work on that. And so what we did is we really help define the different types of play and that’s going to be important going forward just as you said, so that we’re not combining types of play when we study and confusing them and also then how we’re measuring them. So we created a measurement that parents can report on. So as a parent myself and having interviewed literally thousands of children, they say whatever pops into their head half the time and they’re not good at giving you the last six months, what was it? What did they like to do? They tell you their favorite thing was what they did five minutes ago. That’s just part of their memory development. And so it’s really going to be very interesting as the methodology changes and improves. And that is somewhat technology and somewhat learning. Developmental Science psychology is really early science and so we’re really learning as we go and it’s really exciting.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=452.53">[07:32]</a></u>

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that’s very strange for non-scientists like me to understand that this is relatively new landscape. If things that there aren’t better answers to a lot of these questions yet when we’ve been studying them for 20 or 30 years and in fact that’s not long enough to really fully understand them yet. Yeah. So one of the things that I thought was really cool coming out of that paper that you mentioned by Dr Lillard was published in 2013 and then you and your colleagues really took that and said, okay, well yes, we acknowledge the methodology and some of these papers isn’t great, so let’s see how we can do better. And so you’ve published a paper showing there’s a correlation between fantasy orientation and executive function and I wonder if you can tell some more about that please.

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=497.15">[08:17]</a></u>

Sure. So the correlational research, to be honest, doesn’t get us very far, but it’s our first stepping stone. Right? So it just says that when children participate in more fantasy play that either we can measure by directly observing the child or their parent or their teacher tells us that they are higher in fantasy play or pretend play than some of the other kids and then this particular paper that we were talking about fantasy play, so the experiences they haven’t done before. What we found was that correlated with children who had higher what we call executive functions. So those are basic cognitive skills that have something to do with your intelligence and your ability to process, so things like your ability to inhibit and your ability to pay attention and shift your attention when you need to. Your ability to engage your working or short term memory, and I’m using that right now as I try to remember the executive function…

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=556.41">[09:16]</a></u>

Your ability to plan and organize, which is a little bit later than the toddler years, but those are all skills that are related to how much a child participated in fantasy play. And we measured this in two ways. Both in how much they participated according to their teachers and their parents as well as how much they could show us that they could do it. So how imaginative was it really as well as their, what we call propensity towards play. So parents may have noticed, some children just really like to engage in imaginative or fantasy play and some children really don’t seem to do that very much and that seems to be an individual difference that we can measure in personality later in adulthood. And you can think about it in terms of yourself as well; whether or not you liked to go to see movies that are more imaginative, more fantastical, whether you can keep open the possibility that there might be extra-terrestrials possibly trying to be a super weirdo. Some examples here versus people who would much rather see a movie about a scientist or about mathematics.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=636.56">[10:36]</a></u>

So a number of points came up here. Firstly, if my husband’s listening to this interview, which he does occasionally when they published and he’s going to be laughing as he drives home from work because I have zero tolerance for suspension of disbelief. So yeah, I have no interest whatsoever in watching a movie about something that couldn’t really happen and to some extent I kind of see that in my daughter and that she does engage in a little bit of fantasy play. But it’s more of a brief imagination rather than an extended idea that she plays with for a long time. And so what we’re seeing here in, in the research I think is there’s a correlation and so there may be some link between executive function and fantasy play, but that firstly, not every child who doesn’t engage in fantasyy play has poor executive function skills. And secondly, it’s really hard to understand which direction this correlation goes in. Right? We don’t know which half of it leads the other half

Dr. Gilpin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Hn6ldp30dfBnG5GjywPNMT9OPYf4B9yxGeB_VhjjU7dfBIusozBwds7z9q-kHD7n334pfo_Np-IvZfMFrengAVvYMZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=693.97">[11:33]</a></u>

right now. We did a follow up study promoted in part by Dr Lillards meta-analysis. What we did is we put the kids into three separate play conditions over a period of five weeks and in their own schools in their own way, we didn’t force them to play with a certain topic in mind; we just simply encouraged...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/fantasy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2189</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1c350c49-9226-47ad-9728-7d46150496df/fantasy-playedited.mp3" length="47157835" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Pretty regularly I see posts in online parenting groups saying “My child loves to pretend, and they always want me to participate.  I dare not tell anyone else, but I CAN’T STAND PRETEND PLAY.  What should I do?”
In this final (unless something else catches my interest!) episode in our extended series on play, Dr. Ansley Gilpin of the University of Alabama helps us to do a deep dive into what children learn from pretend play, and specifically what they learn from fantasy play, which is pretend play regarding things that could not happen in real life (like making popcorn on Mars).
We’ll discuss the connection between fantasy play and children’s executive function, the problems with studying fantasy play, and the thing you’ve been waiting for: do you HAVE to do fantasy play with your child if you just can’t stand it (and what to do instead!)
If you missed other episodes in this series, you might want to check them out: we started out asking “https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/ (what is the value of play?”), then we looked at https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/ (the benefits of outdoor play) and https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/ (talked with Dr. Scott Sampson) about his book How to Raise a Wild Child.  We wrapped up with outdoor play by trying to understand https://yourparentingmojo.com/riskyplay/ (whether we should allow our children to take more risks).

 
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Bergen, D. (2013). Does pretend play matter? Searching for Evidence: Comment on Lillard et al. (2013). Psychological Bulletin 139(1), 45-48.
Buchsbaum, D., Bridgers, S., Weisberg, D.S., and Gopnik, A. (2012). The power of possibility: Causal learning, counterfactual reasoning, and pretend play. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society 367. 2202-2212.
Carlson, S.M., White, R.E., and Davis-Unger, A.C. (2014). Evidence for a relation between executive function and pretense representation in preschool children. Cognitive Development 29, 1-16.
Gilpin, A.T., Brown, MM., and Pierucci, J.M. (2015). Relations between fantasy orientation and emotion regulation in preschool. Early Education and Development 26(7), 920-932.
Hirsh-Pasek, K., Weisberg, D.S., and Golinkoff, R.M. (2013). Embracing complexity: Rethinking the relation between play and learning: Comment on Lillard et al. (2013). Psychological Bulletin 139(1), 35-39.
Hoffman, J.D., and Russ, S.W. (2016). Fostering pretend play skills and creativity in elementary school school girls: A group play intervention. Psychology of Aesthetics, Creativity, and the Arts 10(1), 114-125.
Krasnor, L. R., and Pepler, D. J. (1980). The study of children’s play: Some suggested future directions. In K. H. Rubin (Ed.), Children’s play: New directions for child development (pp. 85–95). San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.
Lancy, D. F. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.
Li, J., Hestenes, L.L., and Wang, Y.C. (2016). Links between preschool children’s social skills and observed pretend play in outdoor childcare environments. Early Childhood Education Journal 44, 61-68.
Lillard, A. (2011). Mother-child fantasy play. In A. D. Pelligrini (Ed.), The Oxford handbook of the development of play (pp. 284–295). New York, NY: Oxford University Press.
Lillard, A.S., Lerner, M.D., Hopkins, E.J., Dore, R.A., Smith, E.D., and Palmquist, C.M. (2013). The impact of pretend play on children’s development: A review of the evidence. Psychological Bulletin 139(1), 1-34.
Lillard, A.S., Hopkins, E.J., Dore, R.A., Palmquist, C.M., Lerner, M.D., and Smith, E.D. (2013). Concepts, theories, methods and reasons: Why do the children (pretend) play? Reply to Weisberg, Hirsh-Pasek and Golinkoff (2013); Bergen (2013); and Walker and Gopnik (2013).</itunes:summary></item><item><title>067: Does the Marshmallow Test tell us anything useful?</title><itunes:title>067: Does the Marshmallow Test tell us anything useful?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[The Marshmallow Test is one of the most famous experiments in Psychology: Dr. Walter Mischel and his colleagues presented a preschooler with a marshmallow.  The child was told that the researcher had to leave the room for a period of time and the child could either wait until the researcher returned and have two marshmallows, or if the child couldn’t wait, they could call the researcher back by ringing a bell and just have one marshmallow.  The idea was to figure how delayed gratification develops, and, in later studies, understand its importance in our children’s lives and academic success.

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Dr. Mischel and his colleagues have followed some of the children he originally studied and have made all kinds of observations about their academic, social, and coping competence, and even their health later in life.

But a new study by Dr. Tyler Watts casts some doubt on the original results.  In this episode we talk with Dr. Watts about the original work and some of its flaws (for example, did you know that the original sample consisted entirely of White children of professors and grad students, but the results were extrapolated as if they apply to all children?).  We then discuss the impact of his new work, and what parents should take away from all of this.

As a side note that you might enjoy, my almost 4YO saw me open my computer to publish this episode and asked me what I was doing.  I said I needed to publish a podcast episode and she asked me what it was about.  I told her it’s about the Marshmallow Test and asked her if she wanted to try it.

She is, as I type, sitting at our dining room table with three marshmallows on a plate in front of her, trying to hold out for 15 minutes.  We’re not doing it in strictly; we are both still in the room with her, although we’re both typing and ignoring her and asking her to turn back toward the table when she asks us a question.

She keeps asking how many minutes have passed, which I imagine (as I tell her) is quite helpful to her in terms of measuring the remaining effort needed.  She seems most torn between wanting to continue building her Lego airport and the need for the three marshmallows.  She has sung a bit, and smelled the marshmallows a bit, and stacked them into a tower, but she is mostly trying to ignore them and is counting as high as she can.

14 minute update [quiet, despairing voice]: “I’ve been waiting for <em>so long…</em>”

She did make it to 15 minutes (that’s her devouring the third marshmallow in the picture for this episode), although I wonder if she might not have without the time updates.  We’ll have to try that another day:-)

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<strong>References</strong>

Bembenutty, H., &amp; Karabenick, S.A. (2004). Inherent association between academic delay of gratification, future time perspective, and self-regulated learning. <em>Educational Psychology Review 16</em>(1), 35-57.

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Bennett, J. (2018, May 25). NYU Steinhardt Professor replicates famous Marshmallow Test, makes new observations. New York University. Retrieved from https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2018/may/nyu-professor-replicates-longitudinal-work-on-famous-marshmallow.html

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Berman M.G., Yourganov, G., Askren, M.K., Ayduk, O., Casey, B.J., Gotlib, I.H., Kross, E., McIntosh, A.R., Strogher, S., Wilson, N.L., Zayas, V., Mischel, W., Shoda, Y., &amp; Jonides, J. (2013). Dimensionality of brain networks linked to life-long individual differences in self-control. <em>Nature Communications 4</em>(1373), 1-7.

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Bronfenbrenner, U. (1979). <em>The ecology of human development: Experiments by nature and design.</em> Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

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Calarco, J.M. (2018, June 1). Why rich kids are so good at the Marshmallow Test. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/marshmallow-test/561779/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=family-weekly-newsletter&amp;utm_content=20180602&amp;silverid-ref=MzYwODc2MjE4MjE4S0

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Carlson, S.M., Shoda, Y., Ayduk, O., Aber, L., Schaefer, C., Sethi, A., Wilson, N., Peake, P.K., &amp; Mischel, W. (2017). Cohort effects in children’s delay of gratification. HECO Working Paper Series 2017-077.

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Duckworth, A.L., Tsukayama, E., &amp; Kirby, T.A. (2013). Is it really self-control? Examining the predictive power of the delay of gratification task. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 39</em>(7), 843-855.

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Imuta, K., Hayne, H., &amp; Scarf, D. (2014). I want it all and I want it now: Delay of gratification in preschool children. <em>Developmental Psychobiology 56</em>, 1541-1552.

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Kidd, C., Palmeri, H., &amp; Aslin, R.N. (2012). Rational snacking: Young children’s decision-making on the marshmallow task is moderated by beliefs about environmental reliability. <em>Cognition 126</em>, 109-114.

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Michaelson, L.E., &amp; Munakata, Y. (2016). Trust matters: Seeing how an adult treats another person influences preschoolers’ willingness to delay gratification. <em>Developmental Science 19</em>(6), 1011-1019.

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Mischel, W., &amp; Ebbesen, E. (1970). Attention in delay of gratification. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 16</em>(2), 329-337.

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Mischel, W., Ebbesen E.B., &amp; Zeiss, A.R. (1972). Cognitive and attentional mechanisms in delay of gratification. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 21</em>(2), 204-218.

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Mischel, W., &amp; Baker, N. (1975). Cognitive appraisals and transformations in delay behavior. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psycholgy 3</em>1(2), 254-261.

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Mischel, Q., Shsoda, Y., &amp; Peake, P.K. (1988). The nature of adolescent competences predicted by preschool delay of gratification. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 54</em>(4), 687-696.

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Mischel, W., Ayduk, O., Berman, M., Casey, B.J., Gotlib, I.H., Jonides, J., Kross, E., Teslovich, T., Wilson, N.L., Zayas, V., &amp; Shoda, Y. (2011). ‘Willpower’ over the life span: Decomposing self-regulation. <em>SCAN 6</em>, 252-256.

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Schlam, T.R., Wilson, N.L., Shoda, Y., Mischel, W., &amp; Ayduk, O. (2013). Preschoolers’ delay of gratification predicts their body mass 30 years later. <em>The Journal of Pediatrics 162</em>(1), 90-93.

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Shoda, Y., Mischel, W., &amp; Peake, P.K. (1990). Predicting adolescent cognitive and self-regulatory competencies from preschool delay of gratification: Identifying diagnostic conditions. <em>Developmental Psychology 26</em>(6), 978-986.

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Tangney, J.P., Baumeister, R.F., &amp; Boone, A.L. (2004). High self0control predicts good adjustment, less pathology, better grades, and interpersonal success. <em>Journal of Personality 72</em>(2), 271-324.

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Watts, T.W., Duncan, G.J., &amp; Quan, H. (2018). Revisiting the Marshmallow Test: A conceptual replication investigating links between early delay of gratification and later outcomes. <em>Psychological Science</em> 1-19.  DOI: https://doi.org/10.1177/0956797618761661

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.12">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Following on from our recent episode on the 30 Million Word Gap, today we’re going to take another close look at a piece of classic research. This time we’re looking at The Marshmallow Study. You’ve probably heard of the study because it’s one of the most famous ones in the field of psychology. Dr Walter Mischel and his colleagues presented a preschooler with a marshmallow. The child was told that the researcher had to leave the room for a period of time and the child could either wait until the research he returned and have two marshmallows, or if the child couldn’t wait, they could call the researcher back by ringing a bell. But then they’d only get to have one marshmallow. The idea was to figure out how delayed gratification develops and in later studies to understand its importance in our children’s lives and academic success. I was actually surprised to find that the marshmallow study consisted of a series of studies starting in the early 1960s and continuing for over a decade, and my guest today, Dr Tyler Watts of New York University, has just published a new study with his colleagues to try and help us understand whether the impacts of delayed gratification really are as large as that body of research indicates. Dr Watts as a research assistant professor and postdoctoral scholar and the Steinhardt School of Culture Education and human development in New York University. He received his Ba from the University of Texas at Austin and his PhD From the University of California Irvine. Welcome Dr Watts.

Dr. Watts:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.38">[02:00]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.07">[02:01]</a></u>

So I wonder if you could start out just by sending a bit of context for us. Can you describe this series of experiments that’s become known as the marshmallow study and what was the basic procedure that was used and what did the researchers find?

Dr. Watts:   <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[The Marshmallow Test is one of the most famous experiments in Psychology: Dr. Walter Mischel and his colleagues presented a preschooler with a marshmallow.  The child was told that the researcher had to leave the room for a period of time and the child could either wait until the researcher returned and have two marshmallows, or if the child couldn’t wait, they could call the researcher back by ringing a bell and just have one marshmallow.  The idea was to figure how delayed gratification develops, and, in later studies, understand its importance in our children’s lives and academic success.

&nbsp;

Dr. Mischel and his colleagues have followed some of the children he originally studied and have made all kinds of observations about their academic, social, and coping competence, and even their health later in life.

But a new study by Dr. Tyler Watts casts some doubt on the original results.  In this episode we talk with Dr. Watts about the original work and some of its flaws (for example, did you know that the original sample consisted entirely of White children of professors and grad students, but the results were extrapolated as if they apply to all children?).  We then discuss the impact of his new work, and what parents should take away from all of this.

As a side note that you might enjoy, my almost 4YO saw me open my computer to publish this episode and asked me what I was doing.  I said I needed to publish a podcast episode and she asked me what it was about.  I told her it’s about the Marshmallow Test and asked her if she wanted to try it.

She is, as I type, sitting at our dining room table with three marshmallows on a plate in front of her, trying to hold out for 15 minutes.  We’re not doing it in strictly; we are both still in the room with her, although we’re both typing and ignoring her and asking her to turn back toward the table when she asks us a question.

She keeps asking how many minutes have passed, which I imagine (as I tell her) is quite helpful to her in terms of measuring the remaining effort needed.  She seems most torn between wanting to continue building her Lego airport and the need for the three marshmallows.  She has sung a bit, and smelled the marshmallows a bit, and stacked them into a tower, but she is mostly trying to ignore them and is counting as high as she can.

14 minute update [quiet, despairing voice]: “I’ve been waiting for <em>so long…</em>”

She did make it to 15 minutes (that’s her devouring the third marshmallow in the picture for this episode), although I wonder if she might not have without the time updates.  We’ll have to try that another day:-)

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bembenutty, H., &amp; Karabenick, S.A. (2004). Inherent association between academic delay of gratification, future time perspective, and self-regulated learning. <em>Educational Psychology Review 16</em>(1), 35-57.

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Bennett, J. (2018, May 25). NYU Steinhardt Professor replicates famous Marshmallow Test, makes new observations. New York University. Retrieved from https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2018/may/nyu-professor-replicates-longitudinal-work-on-famous-marshmallow.html

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Berman M.G., Yourganov, G., Askren, M.K., Ayduk, O., Casey, B.J., Gotlib, I.H., Kross, E., McIntosh, A.R., Strogher, S., Wilson, N.L., Zayas, V., Mischel, W., Shoda, Y., &amp; Jonides, J. (2013). Dimensionality of brain networks linked to life-long individual differences in self-control. <em>Nature Communications 4</em>(1373), 1-7.

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Bronfenbrenner, U. (1979). <em>The ecology of human development: Experiments by nature and design.</em> Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

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Calarco, J.M. (2018, June 1). Why rich kids are so good at the Marshmallow Test. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/marshmallow-test/561779/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=family-weekly-newsletter&amp;utm_content=20180602&amp;silverid-ref=MzYwODc2MjE4MjE4S0

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Carlson, S.M., Shoda, Y., Ayduk, O., Aber, L., Schaefer, C., Sethi, A., Wilson, N., Peake, P.K., &amp; Mischel, W. (2017). Cohort effects in children’s delay of gratification. HECO Working Paper Series 2017-077.

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Duckworth, A.L., Tsukayama, E., &amp; Kirby, T.A. (2013). Is it really self-control? Examining the predictive power of the delay of gratification task. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 39</em>(7), 843-855.

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Imuta, K., Hayne, H., &amp; Scarf, D. (2014). I want it all and I want it now: Delay of gratification in preschool children. <em>Developmental Psychobiology 56</em>, 1541-1552.

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Kidd, C., Palmeri, H., &amp; Aslin, R.N. (2012). Rational snacking: Young children’s decision-making on the marshmallow task is moderated by beliefs about environmental reliability. <em>Cognition 126</em>, 109-114.

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Michaelson, L.E., &amp; Munakata, Y. (2016). Trust matters: Seeing how an adult treats another person influences preschoolers’ willingness to delay gratification. <em>Developmental Science 19</em>(6), 1011-1019.

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Mischel, W., &amp; Ebbesen, E. (1970). Attention in delay of gratification. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 16</em>(2), 329-337.

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Mischel, W., Ebbesen E.B., &amp; Zeiss, A.R. (1972). Cognitive and attentional mechanisms in delay of gratification. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 21</em>(2), 204-218.

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Mischel, W., &amp; Baker, N. (1975). Cognitive appraisals and transformations in delay behavior. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psycholgy 3</em>1(2), 254-261.

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Mischel, Q., Shsoda, Y., &amp; Peake, P.K. (1988). The nature of adolescent competences predicted by preschool delay of gratification. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 54</em>(4), 687-696.

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Mischel, W., Ayduk, O., Berman, M., Casey, B.J., Gotlib, I.H., Jonides, J., Kross, E., Teslovich, T., Wilson, N.L., Zayas, V., &amp; Shoda, Y. (2011). ‘Willpower’ over the life span: Decomposing self-regulation. <em>SCAN 6</em>, 252-256.

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Schlam, T.R., Wilson, N.L., Shoda, Y., Mischel, W., &amp; Ayduk, O. (2013). Preschoolers’ delay of gratification predicts their body mass 30 years later. <em>The Journal of Pediatrics 162</em>(1), 90-93.

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Shoda, Y., Mischel, W., &amp; Peake, P.K. (1990). Predicting adolescent cognitive and self-regulatory competencies from preschool delay of gratification: Identifying diagnostic conditions. <em>Developmental Psychology 26</em>(6), 978-986.

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Watts, T.W., Duncan, G.J., &amp; Quan, H. (2018). Revisiting the Marshmallow Test: A conceptual replication investigating links between early delay of gratification and later outcomes. <em>Psychological Science</em> 1-19.  DOI: https://doi.org/10.1177/0956797618761661

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.12">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Following on from our recent episode on the 30 Million Word Gap, today we’re going to take another close look at a piece of classic research. This time we’re looking at The Marshmallow Study. You’ve probably heard of the study because it’s one of the most famous ones in the field of psychology. Dr Walter Mischel and his colleagues presented a preschooler with a marshmallow. The child was told that the researcher had to leave the room for a period of time and the child could either wait until the research he returned and have two marshmallows, or if the child couldn’t wait, they could call the researcher back by ringing a bell. But then they’d only get to have one marshmallow. The idea was to figure out how delayed gratification develops and in later studies to understand its importance in our children’s lives and academic success. I was actually surprised to find that the marshmallow study consisted of a series of studies starting in the early 1960s and continuing for over a decade, and my guest today, Dr Tyler Watts of New York University, has just published a new study with his colleagues to try and help us understand whether the impacts of delayed gratification really are as large as that body of research indicates. Dr Watts as a research assistant professor and postdoctoral scholar and the Steinhardt School of Culture Education and human development in New York University. He received his Ba from the University of Texas at Austin and his PhD From the University of California Irvine. Welcome Dr Watts.

Dr. Watts:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.38">[02:00]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.07">[02:01]</a></u>

So I wonder if you could start out just by sending a bit of context for us. Can you describe this series of experiments that’s become known as the marshmallow study and what was the basic procedure that was used and what did the researchers find?

Dr. Watts:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=133.81">[02:13]</a></u>

Sure. You had the exact same experience that I did.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.69">[02:17]</a></u>

Yeah. Okay, good.

Dr. Watts:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.53">[02:21]</a></u>

I first heard about these studies when I was an undergraduate at UT, the University of Texas. I was a psychology student and I think I probably first heard about it in the intro to psych course and then some sort of developmental class. We probably covered it there too, and then when we started, me and Greg, the second author on this paper is trying to kind of sniffing around to decide if we wanted to to look into this. I started going back and reading Mischel’s original papers and then of course I realized the same thing. This was done over probably a decade and there were a series of different studies as he was kind of tweaking the marshmallow test and sort of figuring out what it was telling him along the way. So I think people first have to realize kind of where the state of psychology was in the sixties when Mischel first started doing this work.

Dr. Watts:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=190.78">[03:10]</a></u>

It was a whole nother time we were, we were coming out of, of course the sort of classic psychoanalysis, Freud and Jung and those guys. So that era had kind of ended and then we were, we had gone through this sort of behavioral scientists aspects like the behavior period, which is sort of the kind of rigid rules of sort of human learning and conditioning. And then we were, you know, cognitive psychology was really sort of coming online and we were really starting to sort of have a new approach to probing at people’s thinking and figuring out sort of how human beings, what are the kind of like limits to human cognition and the ways in which we can…we were really coming up with kind of new ways to study it. So Mischel is really kind of coming into this discussion and a really interesting time and people had I think assumed and predicted that being able to delay gratification was this kind of important life skill that probably set aside or differentiated sort of what we think of as successful adults from less successful adults.

Dr. Watts:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=252.61">[04:12]</a></u>

And people didn’t know if children could really do this and if they could do it, they didn’t really know how to measure it. And so in psychology, you know, measurement is, is everything. So Michelle started coming up with this test to be able to actually produce variation and kids’ ability to delay gratification and the test is known as the Marshmallow Test and he figured out that if you sat a four year old – a kid around the age of four – in front of a marshmallow and you told them that if they wait to eat the marshmallow or to touch the marshmallow until the experimenter returns to the room, then there’ll be rewarded with a second marshmallow. So basically the kid is given this test right where they have something sitting in front of them that they want and they’re told by an adult that if they can wait to engage with it or wait to eat it, that they’re going to be rewarded with a second thing, right?

Dr. Watts:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.32">[05:08]</a></u>

With the double double the amount of, of that reward. And he very kind of wisely figured out that this test illuminated all sorts of interesting stuff about the way kids think and the way they behave under kind of a sort of stressful, somewhat stressful situation. And he realized that from a measurement standpoint that the test did exactly what he wanted, which is it produced variation, right? So some kids were better at this than other kids, so there would be some kids who couldn’t wait at all. And as soon as the experimenter left the room, they reach out and grab the marshmallow. Then there are some kids who will be able to wait for a couple minutes and then there are some kids who would be able to wait for whatever length of time they were left alone.

Dr. Watts:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.99">[05:46]</a></u>

And in some of the trials I think he capped it at a pretty short amount and kids weren’t able to wait for very long and longer and longer periods of time. He would kind of test longer and longer periods of time as he went along. And then he also hadn’t figured out. And I think this is one thing that a lot of people don’t realize is he kind of put a lot of different constraints on the test as he went along. So he was interested in like, you know, what happens if you obscure the marshmallow from a kid’s vision, so are kids able to to wait longer if you don’t force them to look at the marshmallow right in the room; what if you suggest to them before they do the task sort of strategies to help distract them from the marshmallows. So if, if, if you give them strategies to help them wait longer, are they able to do it?

Jen  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=397.4">[06:37]</a></u>

What kind of strategies would he use?

Dr. Watts:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399.93">[06:39]</a></u>

Yeah, so I’m trying to remember exactly. But he would sort of give them, I think sort of ways to distract themselves. So he would sort of suggest sort of like cognitive sort of tricks for distracting. Think about something else.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=413.59">[06:53]</a></u>

Okay. Think about something fun or something like that.

Dr. Watts:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=415.41">[06:55]</a></u>

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The kinds of things that we try to tell ourselves to do today. And so he kind of put the kids through all sorts of different constraints on this measure. And you know, it’s sort of similar to the research. I don’t know if the people that listen to your podcasts would be familiar with Milgram’s famous obedience studies, right. But we always talk about sort of one condition of that, which is where the experimenter would tell the person, keep shocking the person on the other end of the line if they’re getting these questions wrong and that’s what they would do, but actually Milgram I think spent maybe 15 years or something like that, studying all sorts of different conditions around which that experiment was given and that’s. And that’s exactly what Walter Mischel did too.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=457.4">[07:37]</a></u>

Yeah, and Angela Duckworth who we’ve actually done an episode on her book Grit. She did a paper on this I think a while back now, and I thought that the points that she pulled out about why this test was so successful, we’re really salient and we call it the marshmallow test, but actually the child got to choose whether they had a marshmallow or a pretzel or sometimes some other food, I think in another study. So the fact that they get to choose means that they get…if they, if they like sugar, they get to show you retweet. If they like salt, they get assaulted, treat, but they only get a really small amount. We’re only talking about one or two marshmallows, one or two pretzels. And so even if the child is really hungry, they know that this isn’t going to satisfy that hunger. So it’s not like we’re seeing the impact of their hunger on the test and (we hope anyway.)

Dr. Watts:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=502.95">[08:22]</a></u>

Yeah, and I think, you know, Angela Duckworth studied a few different samples of kids doing this and one of the things that she did was on the same sample that we actually used for our, uh, our replication too. So it’s important to point out that when Mischel was doing this, he was at Stanford.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_gmny_1W0LSSoXezollO89DHXamaHj-F1er-nXCU1YjRFN54nuaCEUkoMgzu4M_fMmq7sSZda6r7HwHNkbqSex5cTzc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=519.61">[08:39]</a></u>

Yeah. It was already fairly successful from my perspective. And he was sampling kids from the Stanford Business school community primarily. I think there were some kids that were, that were from outside of it too, but basically it was that community, predominantly kids of professors. So they were fairly well off kids obviously, whose parents, at least one of their parents was…had...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/marshmallow]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2160</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2018 01:41:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/464db634-b6e2-417e-a50f-96710a4979f0/marshmallow-studyedited.mp3" length="49525156" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>The Marshmallow Test is one of the most famous experiments in Psychology: Dr. Walter Mischel and his colleagues presented a preschooler with a marshmallow.  The child was told that the researcher had to leave the room for a period of time and the child could either wait until the researcher returned and have two marshmallows, or if the child couldn’t wait, they could call the researcher back by ringing a bell and just have one marshmallow.  The idea was to figure how delayed gratification develops, and, in later studies, understand its importance in our children’s lives and academic success.

Dr. Mischel and his colleagues have followed some of the children he originally studied and have made all kinds of observations about their academic, social, and coping competence, and even their health later in life.
But a new study by Dr. Tyler Watts casts some doubt on the original results.  In this episode we talk with Dr. Watts about the original work and some of its flaws (for example, did you know that the original sample consisted entirely of White children of professors and grad students, but the results were extrapolated as if they apply to all children?).  We then discuss the impact of his new work, and what parents should take away from all of this.
As a side note that you might enjoy, my almost 4YO saw me open my computer to publish this episode and asked me what I was doing.  I said I needed to publish a podcast episode and she asked me what it was about.  I told her it’s about the Marshmallow Test and asked her if she wanted to try it.
She is, as I type, sitting at our dining room table with three marshmallows on a plate in front of her, trying to hold out for 15 minutes.  We’re not doing it in strictly; we are both still in the room with her, although we’re both typing and ignoring her and asking her to turn back toward the table when she asks us a question.
She keeps asking how many minutes have passed, which I imagine (as I tell her) is quite helpful to her in terms of measuring the remaining effort needed.  She seems most torn between wanting to continue building her Lego airport and the need for the three marshmallows.  She has sung a bit, and smelled the marshmallows a bit, and stacked them into a tower, but she is mostly trying to ignore them and is counting as high as she can.
14 minute update [quiet, despairing voice]: “I’ve been waiting for so long…”
She did make it to 15 minutes (that’s her devouring the third marshmallow in the picture for this episode), although I wonder if she might not have without the time updates.  We’ll have to try that another day:-)
 
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Bembenutty, H., and Karabenick, S.A. (2004). Inherent association between academic delay of gratification, future time perspective, and self-regulated learning. Educational Psychology Review 16(1), 35-57.
Bennett, J. (2018, May 25). NYU Steinhardt Professor replicates famous Marshmallow Test, makes new observations. New York University. Retrieved from https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2018/may/nyu-professor-replicates-longitudinal-work-on-famous-marshmallow.html
Berman M.G., Yourganov, G., Askren, M.K., Ayduk, O., Casey, B.J., Gotlib, I.H., Kross, E., McIntosh, A.R., Strogher, S., Wilson, N.L., Zayas, V., Mischel, W., Shoda, Y., and Jonides, J. (2013). Dimensionality of brain networks linked to life-long individual differences in self-control. Nature Communications 4(1373), 1-7.
Bronfenbrenner, U. (1979). The ecology of human development: Experiments by nature and design. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.
Calarco, J.M. (2018, June 1). Why rich kids are so good at the Marshmallow Test. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/marshmallow-test/561779/?utm_source=newsletterandutm_medium=emailandutm_campaign=family-weekly-newsletterand...</itunes:summary></item><item><title>066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</title><itunes:title>066: Is the 30 Million Word Gap real?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[You all know that on the show we pretty much steer clear of the clickbait articles that try to convince you that something is wrong with your child, in favor of getting a balanced view of the overall body of literature on a topic.

But every once in a while a study comes along and I think “we really MUST learn more about that, even though it muddies the water a bit and leads us more toward confusion than a clear picture.”

This is one of those studies.  We’ll learn about the original Hart &amp; Risley study that identified the “30 Million Word Gap” that so much policy has been based on since then, and what are the holes in that research (e.g. did you know that SIX African American families on welfare in that study are used as proxies for all poor families in the U.S., only 25% of whom are African American?).

Then, Dr. Doug Sperry will tell us about his research, which leads him to believe that overheard language can also make a meaningful contribution to children’s vocabulary development.

I do want to be 100% clear on one point: Dr. Sperry says very clearly that he believes parents speaking with children is important for their development; just that overheard language can contribute <em>as well</em>.

And this is not Dr. Sperry out on his own criticizing research that everyone else agrees with: if you’re interested, there are a host of other issues <a href="http://www.idra.org/resource-center/differences-as-deficiencies/">listed here</a>.

The overarching problem, of course, is that our school system is so inflexible that linguistic skills – even really incredible ones of the type we discussed in our <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling/">recent episode on storytelling</a> – have no place in the classroom if they don’t mesh with the way that White, middle-class families (and, by extension, teachers and students) communicate.

But that will have to be an episode for another day.

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Adair, J. K., Colegrove, K. S-S., &amp; McManus, M. E. (2017).  How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx Immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. <i>Harvard Educational Review, 87(3),</i> 309-334.

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Akhtar, N., &amp; Gernsbacher, M.A. (2007). Joint attention and vocabulary development: A critical look. <em>Language and Linguistic Compass 1</em>(3), 195-207.

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Callanan, M., &amp; Waxman, S. (2013). Commentary on special section: Deficit or difference? Interpreting diverse developmental paths. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(1), 80-83.

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Dennett, D. (1995). <em>Darwin’s dangerous idea: Evolution and the meaning of life.</em> New York, NY: Touchstone.

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Dudley-Marling, C., &amp; Lucas, K. (2009). Pathologizing the language and culture of poor children.<em> Language Arts 86</em>(5), 362-370.

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Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. <em>Journal of Education 167</em>(1), 9-57.

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Genishi, C., &amp; Dyson, A. H. (2009).  <i>Children, language, and literacy: Diverse learners in diverse times.</i>  New York, NY: Teachers College Press.

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Hoff, E. (2013). Interpreting the early language trajectories of children from low-SES and language minority homes: Implications for closing achievement gaps. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(1), 4-14.

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Johnson, E.J. (2015). Debunking the “language gap.” <em>Journal for Multicultural Education 9</em>(1), 42-50.

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Miller, P.J., &amp; Sperry, D.E. (2012). Déjà vu: The continuing misrecognition of low-income children’s verbal abilities. In S.T. Fiske &amp; H.R. Markus (Eds.), <em>Facing social class: How societal rank influences interaction</em> (pp.109-130). New York, NY: Russell Sage Foundation.

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Sperry, D.E., Sperry, L.L., &amp; Miller, P.J. (2018). Reexamining the verbal environments of children from different socioeconomic backgrounds. Child Development (Early online publication).  Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peggy_Miller3/publication/324839950_Reexamining_the_Verbal_Environments_of_Children_From_Different_Socioeconomic_Backgrounds/links/5aec67fda6fdcc8508b77912/Reexamining-the-Verbal-Environments-of-Children-From-Different-Socioeconomic-Backgrounds.pdf">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peggy_Miller3/publication/324839950_Reexamining_the_Verbal_Environments_of_Children_From_Different_Socioeconomic_Backgrounds/links/5aec67fda6fdcc8508b77912/Reexamining-the-Verbal-Environments-of-Children-From-Different-Socioeconomic-Backgrounds.pdf</a>

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Walker, D., Greenwood, C., Hart, B., &amp; Carta, J. (1994). Prediction of school outcomes based on early language production and socioeconomic factors. <em>Child Development 65</em>(2), 606-621.

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Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.19">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I think today we’re going to blow a few holes in some classic research. You might have heard of what’s known as the 30 Million Word Gap, which at a high level is the idea that middle class parents talk so much more to their young children on a daily basis than poor parents do, and that this accumulates a gap of 30 million words by the time the children are four years old. So I took a brief look at this study a while back and I noticed that the researchers, Professor Betty Hart of the University of Kansas and Professor Todd Risley at the University of Alaska Anchorage, conflated a couple of important variables in the study, those of wealth and education, which is why I haven’t done an episode on it and whenever anyone asks me about it, I mentioned that the study’s results might be a little bit shaky, but I owe a debt of gratitude to listener Kim from Boston who has a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction and who works to support African American boys and developing literacy for sending me a research paper that describes a replication of the incredibly time consuming study that professors, Hart and Risley did back in the seventies and which came to rather different conclusions. I’m here today with Dr Douglas Sperry, who is Associate Professor of Psychology at St Mary of the woods college in Indiana who coauthored this paper with his wife and colleague, Dr Linda Sperry of Indiana State University and also Dr Peggy Miller of the University of Illinois. It isn’t often that we take the time to dig so deeply into a single paper on this show, but the original study has become such a part of how we think about what it means to be a good parent, so I’m delighted that Dr Barry is here with us today to really dig into these results. Welcome Dr Berry.

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.99">[02:12]</a></u>

Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate very much the opportunity to talk with you and your listeners.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.18">[02:18]</a></u>

Thank you. So for those listeners who have sort of heard of the 30 Million Word Gap and they kind of know it’s important to talk with their children, but they might not really know what the study is, could you please describe the parameters of the original Hart and Risley Study?

Dr. Sperry:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.31">[02:31]</a></u>

Yes. The original study was a longitudinal investigation of 42 families, and they were divided by social class. Six of the families were in a welfare group. Twenty three of the families were in a group that Hart and Risley ended up calling the working class group, although there is mention of 10 of those families being middle class and 13 being working true working class, but they ended up combining them and that another top 13 families and children who were in the so called professional group, they undertook this study after really a decade or more of work and the Kansas City area around the University of Kansas. Betty Hart in particular had been working in the Turner House Preschool, which is part of the Turner housing project in Kansas City and she also had some of her university students working and the laboratory preschool at the University of Kansas itself. The Turner Housing Project and it’s preschool, was well. The preschool was entirely African American…composed of African American children.

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.76">[03:42]</a></u>

Whereas the laboratory preschool at the University of Kansas had all children of professors, as is quite common. Anyway with her work at the Turner House Preschool. She noticed that the vocabulary of African American children in that preschool was lagging considerably behind that of the professor’s children at the laboratory preschool. And so in the late sixties and early seventies, she began a series of other interventions expressly aimed at teaching the African American children at the Turner House, more vocabulary, and she noticed that that was quite successful and I should...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[You all know that on the show we pretty much steer clear of the clickbait articles that try to convince you that something is wrong with your child, in favor of getting a balanced view of the overall body of literature on a topic.

But every once in a while a study comes along and I think “we really MUST learn more about that, even though it muddies the water a bit and leads us more toward confusion than a clear picture.”

This is one of those studies.  We’ll learn about the original Hart &amp; Risley study that identified the “30 Million Word Gap” that so much policy has been based on since then, and what are the holes in that research (e.g. did you know that SIX African American families on welfare in that study are used as proxies for all poor families in the U.S., only 25% of whom are African American?).

Then, Dr. Doug Sperry will tell us about his research, which leads him to believe that overheard language can also make a meaningful contribution to children’s vocabulary development.

I do want to be 100% clear on one point: Dr. Sperry says very clearly that he believes parents speaking with children is important for their development; just that overheard language can contribute <em>as well</em>.

And this is not Dr. Sperry out on his own criticizing research that everyone else agrees with: if you’re interested, there are a host of other issues <a href="http://www.idra.org/resource-center/differences-as-deficiencies/">listed here</a>.

The overarching problem, of course, is that our school system is so inflexible that linguistic skills – even really incredible ones of the type we discussed in our <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling/">recent episode on storytelling</a> – have no place in the classroom if they don’t mesh with the way that White, middle-class families (and, by extension, teachers and students) communicate.

But that will have to be an episode for another day.

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<strong>References</strong>

Adair, J. K., Colegrove, K. S-S., &amp; McManus, M. E. (2017).  How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx Immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. <i>Harvard Educational Review, 87(3),</i> 309-334.

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Akhtar, N., &amp; Gernsbacher, M.A. (2007). Joint attention and vocabulary development: A critical look. <em>Language and Linguistic Compass 1</em>(3), 195-207.

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Callanan, M., &amp; Waxman, S. (2013). Commentary on special section: Deficit or difference? Interpreting diverse developmental paths. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(1), 80-83.

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Dennett, D. (1995). <em>Darwin’s dangerous idea: Evolution and the meaning of life.</em> New York, NY: Touchstone.

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Dudley-Marling, C., &amp; Lucas, K. (2009). Pathologizing the language and culture of poor children.<em> Language Arts 86</em>(5), 362-370.

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Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. <em>Journal of Education 167</em>(1), 9-57.

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Genishi, C., &amp; Dyson, A. H. (2009).  <i>Children, language, and literacy: Diverse learners in diverse times.</i>  New York, NY: Teachers College Press.

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Hoff, E. (2013). Interpreting the early language trajectories of children from low-SES and language minority homes: Implications for closing achievement gaps. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(1), 4-14.

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Johnson, E.J. (2015). Debunking the “language gap.” <em>Journal for Multicultural Education 9</em>(1), 42-50.

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Miller, P.J., &amp; Sperry, D.E. (2012). Déjà vu: The continuing misrecognition of low-income children’s verbal abilities. In S.T. Fiske &amp; H.R. Markus (Eds.), <em>Facing social class: How societal rank influences interaction</em> (pp.109-130). New York, NY: Russell Sage Foundation.

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Sperry, D.E., Sperry, L.L., &amp; Miller, P.J. (2018). Reexamining the verbal environments of children from different socioeconomic backgrounds. Child Development (Early online publication).  Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peggy_Miller3/publication/324839950_Reexamining_the_Verbal_Environments_of_Children_From_Different_Socioeconomic_Backgrounds/links/5aec67fda6fdcc8508b77912/Reexamining-the-Verbal-Environments-of-Children-From-Different-Socioeconomic-Backgrounds.pdf">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peggy_Miller3/publication/324839950_Reexamining_the_Verbal_Environments_of_Children_From_Different_Socioeconomic_Backgrounds/links/5aec67fda6fdcc8508b77912/Reexamining-the-Verbal-Environments-of-Children-From-Different-Socioeconomic-Backgrounds.pdf</a>

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Walker, D., Greenwood, C., Hart, B., &amp; Carta, J. (1994). Prediction of school outcomes based on early language production and socioeconomic factors. <em>Child Development 65</em>(2), 606-621.

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Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.19">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I think today we’re going to blow a few holes in some classic research. You might have heard of what’s known as the 30 Million Word Gap, which at a high level is the idea that middle class parents talk so much more to their young children on a daily basis than poor parents do, and that this accumulates a gap of 30 million words by the time the children are four years old. So I took a brief look at this study a while back and I noticed that the researchers, Professor Betty Hart of the University of Kansas and Professor Todd Risley at the University of Alaska Anchorage, conflated a couple of important variables in the study, those of wealth and education, which is why I haven’t done an episode on it and whenever anyone asks me about it, I mentioned that the study’s results might be a little bit shaky, but I owe a debt of gratitude to listener Kim from Boston who has a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction and who works to support African American boys and developing literacy for sending me a research paper that describes a replication of the incredibly time consuming study that professors, Hart and Risley did back in the seventies and which came to rather different conclusions. I’m here today with Dr Douglas Sperry, who is Associate Professor of Psychology at St Mary of the woods college in Indiana who coauthored this paper with his wife and colleague, Dr Linda Sperry of Indiana State University and also Dr Peggy Miller of the University of Illinois. It isn’t often that we take the time to dig so deeply into a single paper on this show, but the original study has become such a part of how we think about what it means to be a good parent, so I’m delighted that Dr Barry is here with us today to really dig into these results. Welcome Dr Berry.

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.99">[02:12]</a></u>

Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate very much the opportunity to talk with you and your listeners.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.18">[02:18]</a></u>

Thank you. So for those listeners who have sort of heard of the 30 Million Word Gap and they kind of know it’s important to talk with their children, but they might not really know what the study is, could you please describe the parameters of the original Hart and Risley Study?

Dr. Sperry:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.31">[02:31]</a></u>

Yes. The original study was a longitudinal investigation of 42 families, and they were divided by social class. Six of the families were in a welfare group. Twenty three of the families were in a group that Hart and Risley ended up calling the working class group, although there is mention of 10 of those families being middle class and 13 being working true working class, but they ended up combining them and that another top 13 families and children who were in the so called professional group, they undertook this study after really a decade or more of work and the Kansas City area around the University of Kansas. Betty Hart in particular had been working in the Turner House Preschool, which is part of the Turner housing project in Kansas City and she also had some of her university students working and the laboratory preschool at the University of Kansas itself. The Turner Housing Project and it’s preschool, was well. The preschool was entirely African American…composed of African American children.

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.76">[03:42]</a></u>

Whereas the laboratory preschool at the University of Kansas had all children of professors, as is quite common. Anyway with her work at the Turner House Preschool. She noticed that the vocabulary of African American children in that preschool was lagging considerably behind that of the professor’s children at the laboratory preschool. And so in the late sixties and early seventies, she began a series of other interventions expressly aimed at teaching the African American children at the Turner House, more vocabulary, and she noticed that that was quite successful and I should say I neglected to say the first intervention was just to get them to talk more and be more comfortable talking and she got them to talk more, but she still noticed that the vocabulary itself was lacking in the same diversity that the professors’ children had. So they had several other interventions, one of which was, for example, taking the children on various field trips to museums, etc. And still nothing seemed to increase the actual diversity or complexity of the vocabulary, even though the children were talking more. And to quote their 1995 monograph, she writes, the professors’ children simply seemed to know more about everything. so that provided then the impetus for her to begin and for, for her and Todd Risley to begin their very elaborate longitudinal study.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=307.36">[05:07]</a></u>

Okay. So what they’re basically saying is that they’re trying to reach children in preschool with these interventions and that they’re seeing that maybe they have an effect in the short term, but in the longer term they get washed out. Right?

Dr. Sperry:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.08"> [05:17]</a></u>

Right. And their conclusion was that they had to start in the homes and so they wanted to see exactly what was going on then in these, these different homes. So they began this very lengthy, protracted data collection. It’s still kind of a monument in terms of the amount of data they collected. And I have often stressed when talking about this report that although we’re, I’m sure going to get a chance to dig into some of the problems with the study. I don’t want to just be entirely critical of the study either because it was, it was a very important work and it has obviously fueled a lot of new research and information. But like any study it happens in a context. And the context of this study was the late seventies and the methods that we used in our study weren’t really current then in language acquisition studies. And so those were some of the issues that we’ve taken issue with.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=372.65">[06:12]</a></u>

So what are some of the contexts, what are some of the things that you saw as as not being really just done then that you that are more current practice now that you were able to incorporate?

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=383.86">[06:23]</a></u>

Let me actually correct a little bit. Something I said. We are psychologists. All three of us consider ourselves to be psychologist, but we don’t use relatively typical psychological methods. Our methods from anthropological studies and from our paradigm that we work within is called language socialization and using those methods we adopt them more ethnographic approach to data collection. And this, this represents, I think the first major point of difference between our data collection process and that of Hart and Risley and every case for our five communities that we describe in our recent study, each set of recordings of the actual children and their families. We’re only be gone after extensive field work of probably a year or more working in the communities. So when my wife and I were working in Alabama, for example, for over a year, one or the other of us observed in preschools we taught and the community education center that was entirely African American.

Dr. Sperry:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=442.03">[07:22]</a></u>

We tutored children in various school subjects and also in giving them piano lessons and we tried to locate ourselves within the community. That obviously was particularly critical, we felt for the reason that we are European American and we were trying to study African American children in that particular case, but in all cases for our research, we do not try to be a fly on the wall and that’s pretty much what Hart and Risley encourage their families to do. And I think that’s more consistent even with current purely psychological inquiries into language acquisition. Researchers are trying to not be part of the scene. Owing a debt to anthropology, we realize that there’s never a point in time where we’re not going to be part of the scene as long as we’re there, we’re going to be noticed as observers and people are going to be taking us into account and so we make every opportunity then to try to become welcome guests in the environs and one particular difference I think that that may have impacted is that, for example, in the Hart and Risley is case their research, their data collection assistants were asked to not speak unless spoken to and that I think by contrast when we’re in a data collection process, obviously we speak when spoken to, but we also might speak at other times that a regular friendly visitor to your house might speak.

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=534.58">[08:54]</a></u>

We don’t in any way attempt to direct the activity of the observations. We try to let the family flow occur as it’s happening, but we don’t try to act as if we’re not there. I think that – well, we’ll never know obviously for sure, but our guests, our intuition is that that might have mostly affected. In particular Hart and Risley’s welfare group. These were six families who were living in the Turner Housing Projects. It was the seventies. The housing projects were not all that wonderful. We can only imagine that a research assistant coming in with a video camera and sitting there for an hour recording their child was very unfamiliar and possibly very uncomfortable for those families and…

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=580.08">[09:40]</a></u>

Despite Hart and Risley’s claim that they essentially blended into the furniture, I think was the one of the phrases they used in one of their papers.

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=587.01">[09:47]</a></u>

Exactly, exactly and I don’t think it’s possible to blend into the furniture and we don’t know…Hart and Risley did have both European American and African American data collection assistants and they did try to pair African American assistants with African American families, but that’s not really the point for us, I mean, obviously, as I said, we are European American. We did a large study in an African American community. It’s more just a matter of are you familiar enough with the family and are they familiar enough with you that they can trust you to be doing your best? And I also then contrast how we can imagine the welfare mothers may have felt with how the professional families feel. I think many of your listeners are probably professionals and I think they probably share with me the idea that if I was asked and agreed to have somebody come in and record my children, I would so-called put on the dog when they came. I would, you know, be very talkative and I would be trying to put my child in the best possible light because I would know the data that were being collected

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=656.281">[10:56]</a></u>

For sure. So how much of this data was collected and what kind of data do they analyze?

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=663.27">[11:03]</a></u>

In both cases, both their study and our study, we collected videotaping recordings, although probably for us it was easier because of the size of the machines involved in the seventies. They collected for the 42 children, 25 samples on average per child. So they began their data collection and when the children were 12 months of age and they concluded when they were 36 months and they had a total of 1,318 samples. Our data collection was not that extensive. We analyzed 150, seven and a half hours, I should say. They had 1318 hour-long samples. We have various ages, various amounts of sampling, for example, all of our communities were sampled longitudinally, but we analyzed 157 and a half hours total. Our communities…well, this is what’s called the corporate study. What we did, we did not set out to collect these data expressly to do a study that we just published.

Dr. Sperry: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/JWTg2HZorm9neQhy9taDEs2o0JSM0V3JPSMfgRvQHD49HPndcktXjAWiBME2ZCOlSNBqMxO6mUqihFAJdbQHkTa3_F4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=723.32">[12:03]</a></u>

In fact most of the data were collected for our interest in the narrative development of young children. So the South Baltimore children were about 18 or 19 months when their data collection began. Both our Black Belt, Alabama group and the Jefferson Indiana group, were 24 months… The children are 24 months when the data collection began. And Then the two Chicago groups,...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/wordgap]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2131</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2018 23:58:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9833f5a5-8733-4cb6-857a-46462a79d37a/30-million-gapedited.mp3" length="55951279" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>You all know that on the show we pretty much steer clear of the clickbait articles that try to convince you that something is wrong with your child, in favor of getting a balanced view of the overall body of literature on a topic.
But every once in a while a study comes along and I think “we really MUST learn more about that, even though it muddies the water a bit and leads us more toward confusion than a clear picture.”
This is one of those studies.  We’ll learn about the original Hart and Risley study that identified the “30 Million Word Gap” that so much policy has been based on since then, and what are the holes in that research (e.g. did you know that SIX African American families on welfare in that study are used as proxies for all poor families in the U.S., only 25% of whom are African American?).
Then, Dr. Doug Sperry will tell us about his research, which leads him to believe that overheard language can also make a meaningful contribution to children’s vocabulary development.
I do want to be 100% clear on one point: Dr. Sperry says very clearly that he believes parents speaking with children is important for their development; just that overheard language can contribute as well.
And this is not Dr. Sperry out on his own criticizing research that everyone else agrees with: if you’re interested, there are a host of other issues http://www.idra.org/resource-center/differences-as-deficiencies/ (listed here).
The overarching problem, of course, is that our school system is so inflexible that linguistic skills – even really incredible ones of the type we discussed in our https://yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling/ (recent episode on storytelling) – have no place in the classroom if they don’t mesh with the way that White, middle-class families (and, by extension, teachers and students) communicate.
But that will have to be an episode for another day.

References
Adair, J. K., Colegrove, K. S-S., and McManus, M. E. (2017).  How the word gap argument negatively impacts young children of Latinx Immigrants’ conceptualizations of learning. Harvard Educational Review, 87(3), 309-334.
Akhtar, N., and Gernsbacher, M.A. (2007). Joint attention and vocabulary development: A critical look. Language and Linguistic Compass 1(3), 195-207.
Callanan, M., and Waxman, S. (2013). Commentary on special section: Deficit or difference? Interpreting diverse developmental paths. Developmental Psychology 49(1), 80-83.
Dennett, D. (1995). Darwin’s dangerous idea: Evolution and the meaning of life. New York, NY: Touchstone.
Dudley-Marling, C., and Lucas, K. (2009). Pathologizing the language and culture of poor children. Language Arts 86(5), 362-370.
Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. Journal of Education 167(1), 9-57.
Genishi, C., and Dyson, A. H. (2009).  Children, language, and literacy: Diverse learners in diverse times.  New York, NY: Teachers College Press.
Hoff, E. (2013). Interpreting the early language trajectories of children from low-SES and language minority homes: Implications for closing achievement gaps. Developmental Psychology 49(1), 4-14.
Johnson, E.J. (2015). Debunking the “language gap.” Journal for Multicultural Education 9(1), 42-50.
Miller, P.J., and Sperry, D.E. (2012). Déjà vu: The continuing misrecognition of low-income children’s verbal abilities. In S.T. Fiske and H.R. Markus (Eds.), Facing social class: How societal rank influences interaction (pp.109-130). New York, NY: Russell Sage Foundation.
Sperry, D.E., Sperry, L.L., and Miller, P.J. (2018). Reexamining the verbal environments of children from different socioeconomic backgrounds. Child Development (Early online publication).  Full article available at: &amp;lt;a href=&amp;quot;https://www.researchgate.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>065: Why storytelling is so important for our children</title><itunes:title>065: Why storytelling is so important for our children</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[“Storytelling? I’m already reading books to my child – isn’t that enough?”

Your child DOES get a lot out of reading books (which is why we’ve done a several episodes on that already, including <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/readingbooks/">What children learn from reading books</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">How to read with your child</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">Did you already miss the boat on teaching your toddler how to read?</a>.

But it turns out that storytelling benefits our relationship with our child in ways that reading books really can’t, because you’re looking at the book rather than at your child. If you ask your child what kind of story they’d like you to tell, you also get incredible insight into both their interests and concerns – I can attest to this, as I’ve been singing story-songs about poop and various kinds of baby animals who can’t find their mamas on and off for several weeks now (we had an incident a few months back where she couldn’t find me in a store).

In this episode we also discuss the ways that people from different cultures tell stories, and what implications this has for them as they interact with our education system.

Other episodes mentioned in this show:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/joy/">035: Is your parenting All Joy and No Fun?</a>

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00:01

If we want our children to have the best chance to live fulfilling lives, that can you keep up with all the books and scientific research on parenting, and fit the information into your own philosophy on how to raise kids. Welcome to Your Parenting Mojo, the podcast that does the work for you by investigating and examining respectful research-based parenting tools to help kids thrive. Now welcome your host, Jen Lumanlan.

Jen Lumanlan 00:38

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we get going with today’s topic on the subject of storytelling, I wanted to let you know about a little something I’ve been working on for a while now.  I think I’ve mentioned before that I was working on a Master’s in Education – well, I’ve finished that now and I’m actually not in school at the moment which is both amazingly freeing and rather strange.  I’ve mentioned before that after we made the decision to homeschool our daughter, whenever anyone asked me about homeschooling, they would always ask me the same questions, so I created a course to help families figure out whether homeschooling could be right for them – you can find more info on that at yourhomeschoolingmojo.com if you like.  But a lot of friends said “homeschooling sounds awesome, but I could never do it,” or “homeschooling sounds awesome but I don’t want to do it,” or just “we’re committed to public schools.”  When I asked them to tell me more about this they invariably expressed some kind of anxiety about this decision – kind of a “we’re committed to public schools but….” – they’re worried about class sizes and a lack of funding and the quality of the education their child will receive. And I thought to myself: “hmmm…what if there was a way to take everything I’ve learned during a master’s in psychology and another in Education and make it relevant to people who are committed to public school for whatever reason, but who recognize the limitations in the system and want their children to come out of public school among the 40% of 12<sup>th</sup>-graders who can read and do math at or above a proficient level, and not among the 60% who are at a basic or below-basic level.  Parents want to imbue their children with a love of learning, but research has shown that the toddlers who couldn’t stop asking questions basically stop being curious by about third grade.  Instead of asking why things happen or how things work, they learn that their job is to answer the teacher’s questions, rather than to ask their own.  And when I interviewed parents, I also found they didn’t know where to start in supporting their child’s learning – they’ve been reading to their child since birth, and they taught their child how to count, but they just have no idea what to do next.

Jen Lumanlan 02:34

So I took what I learned during those degrees, and I did a whole lot of research outside of them, and I talked with Principals and teachers and parents and I asked them what challenge they had had.  What challenges they had in teaching, and in parenting children in school, and in teachers and parents working together, and in catching small problems before they become really big problems, which I found actually doesn’t happen all that often – it was way more common than I’d thought for something to go unnoticed for quite a while and even once it was noticed, to take quite a while to fix.  It really wasn’t uncommon for a student to lose the better part of <em>a year</em> of learning waiting for testing for learning disabilities, or while being bullied, or simply because they had a personality mismatch with their teacher.  I took all of the research on those topics, and a number of others besides, and I made a course for you lovely people that will give you the tools and support you need to prepare yourself and your child for the transition to and first year or two of school.  It helps you to understand the different ways parents can participate in their child’s education in school and which are associated with better learning outcomes.  It digs into the neuroscience of learning, and especially of learning reading and math, so when your child stares at you blankly after you try to show them a new concept you understand what connection is missing in their brain. It looks at homework and whether children should be getting any of it, and gives you the data you need to work with administrators to establish homework policies that are actually grounded in research.  It shows you the critical components of a life-long love of learning, and shows you how to support the development of these through activities connected to school as well as those outside of school.  And best of all, it does all this in a way that doesn’t make you think “Holy cow, here are another 300 things I need to teach my kid; I can’t keep tabs on it all or do it all and it’s stressing me out just thinking about it,” but rather “If your child is having problems with X, here are some things you can try.”  It helps you to see what things you might be able to change in schools if you want to put the energy into it, and which ones are probably here for the long haul.  And we have an awesome group on Facebook that thinks through these issues together in a supportive way.

Jen Lumanlan 04:35

So what’s it like to be in this course?  Well, I’ll quote a couple of the people who have been through it: Kesha from Oklahoma, who is actually a Your Parenting Mojo listener, sent me an email after she finished the section on the neuroscience of learning and said <strong>“I LOVED this section on the neuroscience of learning, it made so much sense, provided so many pointers, and gives tools I can definitely use to find better ways to make new things we learn relevant to my son. I had a really hard time doing that before but I think using his interests, </strong><em><strong>then finding ways to tie different subjects to them</strong></em><strong>, and letting him lead me through how he’d like to demonstrate his learning are concrete, easy to apply tactics. This course is amazing!”</strong> And Kathryn in the U.K. said: “I had been worried about the transition to school but this course was both tremendously reassuring and inspiring. It both makes very clear the limitations of the school setting but empowered me to see what I can individually do to make the most of the experience. It also, refreshingly, makes clear that perfection is not the goal. Instead it provided me with the knowledge and ideas to find and make the most of opportunities to extend my daughter’s learning according to her own unique needs and interests.”

Jen Lumanlan 05:44

I’m looking for a few more people to test the course for me before I launch it out into the wider world and I wanted to give my listeners a first shot at doing that, and also to give you a special discount on it as well.  The first twenty people who go to JenLumanlan.com, that's L u m a n l a n, and click on supporting your child's learning in school chorus can use discount and use discount code BETA-60-OFF will get $60 off the $199 price, so the price is just $139.  Once again, that’s Jen Lumanlan - L u m a n l a n .com. Click on supporting your child's learning in school, enter the discount code BETA-60-OFF at checkout.  If you subscribe to the show via my website then you actually got the link and the discount code in your newsletter last week, so you can find it there, and if you’re hearing this for the first time on this episode then just click over to the page on my website for this episode at yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling and all the information is right there for you.  I’m looking forward to getting to know a lot more of you in the course!

Jen Lumanlan 06:52

On to our topic of the day: we’re working on a couple of different series of episodes at the moment – I like to mix them up a bit in case you’re not interested in a particular topic so at least you only get bored every other week rather than every week… We’re currently in the middle of two series of episodes – one on the importance of play, and the other on storytelling. This topic hadn’t even been on my radar until I did a paper on discourses in education for my master’s in Education. Today we’re going to cover <em>why</em> we should tell stories, and in an upcoming episode, we’ll talk about <em>how</em> to learn and tell stories which we differentiate from reading stories because we do learn them and tell them...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“Storytelling? I’m already reading books to my child – isn’t that enough?”

Your child DOES get a lot out of reading books (which is why we’ve done a several episodes on that already, including <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/readingbooks/">What children learn from reading books</a>, <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">How to read with your child</a>, and <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">Did you already miss the boat on teaching your toddler how to read?</a>.

But it turns out that storytelling benefits our relationship with our child in ways that reading books really can’t, because you’re looking at the book rather than at your child. If you ask your child what kind of story they’d like you to tell, you also get incredible insight into both their interests and concerns – I can attest to this, as I’ve been singing story-songs about poop and various kinds of baby animals who can’t find their mamas on and off for several weeks now (we had an incident a few months back where she couldn’t find me in a store).

In this episode we also discuss the ways that people from different cultures tell stories, and what implications this has for them as they interact with our education system.

Other episodes mentioned in this show:

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/joy/">035: Is your parenting All Joy and No Fun?</a>

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00:01

If we want our children to have the best chance to live fulfilling lives, that can you keep up with all the books and scientific research on parenting, and fit the information into your own philosophy on how to raise kids. Welcome to Your Parenting Mojo, the podcast that does the work for you by investigating and examining respectful research-based parenting tools to help kids thrive. Now welcome your host, Jen Lumanlan.

Jen Lumanlan 00:38

Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we get going with today’s topic on the subject of storytelling, I wanted to let you know about a little something I’ve been working on for a while now.  I think I’ve mentioned before that I was working on a Master’s in Education – well, I’ve finished that now and I’m actually not in school at the moment which is both amazingly freeing and rather strange.  I’ve mentioned before that after we made the decision to homeschool our daughter, whenever anyone asked me about homeschooling, they would always ask me the same questions, so I created a course to help families figure out whether homeschooling could be right for them – you can find more info on that at yourhomeschoolingmojo.com if you like.  But a lot of friends said “homeschooling sounds awesome, but I could never do it,” or “homeschooling sounds awesome but I don’t want to do it,” or just “we’re committed to public schools.”  When I asked them to tell me more about this they invariably expressed some kind of anxiety about this decision – kind of a “we’re committed to public schools but….” – they’re worried about class sizes and a lack of funding and the quality of the education their child will receive. And I thought to myself: “hmmm…what if there was a way to take everything I’ve learned during a master’s in psychology and another in Education and make it relevant to people who are committed to public school for whatever reason, but who recognize the limitations in the system and want their children to come out of public school among the 40% of 12<sup>th</sup>-graders who can read and do math at or above a proficient level, and not among the 60% who are at a basic or below-basic level.  Parents want to imbue their children with a love of learning, but research has shown that the toddlers who couldn’t stop asking questions basically stop being curious by about third grade.  Instead of asking why things happen or how things work, they learn that their job is to answer the teacher’s questions, rather than to ask their own.  And when I interviewed parents, I also found they didn’t know where to start in supporting their child’s learning – they’ve been reading to their child since birth, and they taught their child how to count, but they just have no idea what to do next.

Jen Lumanlan 02:34

So I took what I learned during those degrees, and I did a whole lot of research outside of them, and I talked with Principals and teachers and parents and I asked them what challenge they had had.  What challenges they had in teaching, and in parenting children in school, and in teachers and parents working together, and in catching small problems before they become really big problems, which I found actually doesn’t happen all that often – it was way more common than I’d thought for something to go unnoticed for quite a while and even once it was noticed, to take quite a while to fix.  It really wasn’t uncommon for a student to lose the better part of <em>a year</em> of learning waiting for testing for learning disabilities, or while being bullied, or simply because they had a personality mismatch with their teacher.  I took all of the research on those topics, and a number of others besides, and I made a course for you lovely people that will give you the tools and support you need to prepare yourself and your child for the transition to and first year or two of school.  It helps you to understand the different ways parents can participate in their child’s education in school and which are associated with better learning outcomes.  It digs into the neuroscience of learning, and especially of learning reading and math, so when your child stares at you blankly after you try to show them a new concept you understand what connection is missing in their brain. It looks at homework and whether children should be getting any of it, and gives you the data you need to work with administrators to establish homework policies that are actually grounded in research.  It shows you the critical components of a life-long love of learning, and shows you how to support the development of these through activities connected to school as well as those outside of school.  And best of all, it does all this in a way that doesn’t make you think “Holy cow, here are another 300 things I need to teach my kid; I can’t keep tabs on it all or do it all and it’s stressing me out just thinking about it,” but rather “If your child is having problems with X, here are some things you can try.”  It helps you to see what things you might be able to change in schools if you want to put the energy into it, and which ones are probably here for the long haul.  And we have an awesome group on Facebook that thinks through these issues together in a supportive way.

Jen Lumanlan 04:35

So what’s it like to be in this course?  Well, I’ll quote a couple of the people who have been through it: Kesha from Oklahoma, who is actually a Your Parenting Mojo listener, sent me an email after she finished the section on the neuroscience of learning and said <strong>“I LOVED this section on the neuroscience of learning, it made so much sense, provided so many pointers, and gives tools I can definitely use to find better ways to make new things we learn relevant to my son. I had a really hard time doing that before but I think using his interests, </strong><em><strong>then finding ways to tie different subjects to them</strong></em><strong>, and letting him lead me through how he’d like to demonstrate his learning are concrete, easy to apply tactics. This course is amazing!”</strong> And Kathryn in the U.K. said: “I had been worried about the transition to school but this course was both tremendously reassuring and inspiring. It both makes very clear the limitations of the school setting but empowered me to see what I can individually do to make the most of the experience. It also, refreshingly, makes clear that perfection is not the goal. Instead it provided me with the knowledge and ideas to find and make the most of opportunities to extend my daughter’s learning according to her own unique needs and interests.”

Jen Lumanlan 05:44

I’m looking for a few more people to test the course for me before I launch it out into the wider world and I wanted to give my listeners a first shot at doing that, and also to give you a special discount on it as well.  The first twenty people who go to JenLumanlan.com, that's L u m a n l a n, and click on supporting your child's learning in school chorus can use discount and use discount code BETA-60-OFF will get $60 off the $199 price, so the price is just $139.  Once again, that’s Jen Lumanlan - L u m a n l a n .com. Click on supporting your child's learning in school, enter the discount code BETA-60-OFF at checkout.  If you subscribe to the show via my website then you actually got the link and the discount code in your newsletter last week, so you can find it there, and if you’re hearing this for the first time on this episode then just click over to the page on my website for this episode at yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling and all the information is right there for you.  I’m looking forward to getting to know a lot more of you in the course!

Jen Lumanlan 06:52

On to our topic of the day: we’re working on a couple of different series of episodes at the moment – I like to mix them up a bit in case you’re not interested in a particular topic so at least you only get bored every other week rather than every week… We’re currently in the middle of two series of episodes – one on the importance of play, and the other on storytelling. This topic hadn’t even been on my radar until I did a paper on discourses in education for my master’s in Education. Today we’re going to cover <em>why</em> we should tell stories, and in an upcoming episode, we’ll talk about <em>how</em> to learn and tell stories which we differentiate from reading stories because we do learn them and tell them rather than reading them.  If you’re anything like me, you might think that you’re not sure you really need this episode.  It wasn’t until I started researching it that I learned about the powerful impact that storytelling can have on our children’s lives, and even on their academic outcomes, and why I wanted to share this with you. I also want to give you a heads-up episode has some content that you might not want children to hear.  No swearing; just some concepts that are more suitable for adult ears only.

Jen Lumanlan 07:55

Let’s start with the story of stories – how did stories orginate?  Researchers think that at one time everyone was a storyteller, but as human society became more complex, people started to specialize in one form or another of the arts – like drama, dance, or music.  People who had a good sense of timing, a good command of language, and a memory to hold it all together became a community’s storytellers.  One theory holds that the stories became so exaggerated that they had to be told in the third person for the teller to retain some sense of modesty, which gave rise to the hero tale.  Storytellers weren’t just entertainers – they were geneologists, historians, and keepers of culture. The first written record of an activity that appears to be storytelling comes from what is known as the Westcar Papyrus, recorded between 2,000 and 1,200 BC, in which three sons entertain their father, who had built the pyramids, with strange stories.  Stories wended their way through history – the first known heroic epic, (Gilgamesh), Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, through the traveling master storytellers of Ireland and Wales who knew would each have known 350 stories during the period of the Roman Empire, to the height of storytelling in Western Europe when professional organizations of storytellers would hold storytelling competitions in the Middle Ages.  After the printing press was invented in 1450, storytelling in Western cultures started on a down-slide from which it really hasn’t recovered.  The written word is now the primary way Western people communicate with each other, and oral traditions (as well as the people whose cultures rely on them) are really looked down upon.

Jen Lumanlan 09:27

The one use we seem to still have for stories is telling them to children – librarians told stories to children to integrate immigrants into the U.S. in the early twentieth century and to inculcate the new residents with their new country’s values, and a history of storytelling in this period is basically a series of life histories of notable children’s librarians.  What was once a way that culture was transmitted to all people had become a way to, in the words of Russian author Kornei Chukovsky: “foster in the child, at whatever cost, compassion and humaneness – this miraculous ability of man to be disturbed by another being’s misfortunes, to feel joy about another being’s happiness, to experience another’s fate as one’s own.”  Sharing a story is a very different experience than reading it by oneself, and in general all people, even adults, enjoy these experiences – which is why we go to the theater and attend concerts, but Westerners have mostly gotten out of the habit of getting together to share stories.  Sharing a story may make the story more enjoyable and also enhance the relationship because the story is an object of shared attention.

Jen Lumanlan 10:28

And what kinds of stories do we share?  Parents sometimes wonder at the unsavory ideas expressed in folk tales – including one-dimensional good and evil characters and stereotypical depictions of women and people of color, as well as violence.  Psychologists believe, though that the confines of the story – the “once upon a time” at the beginning and the “The end” at the end help children to know that what is happening in the story is not real, and that children can safely experience ideas and emotions through stories that they couldn’t do in real life.  Folk tales actually weren’t originally intended for children; even the Brothers Grimm’s original edition of fairy tales published in 1812 was intended for adults.  Almost immediately people started to read them to children, so the Grimms edited the stories for children by censoring out some of the violence and sexuality.  For example, in the 1812 version of the story The Frog Prince, the frog just wants to get into bed with the princess – the story is openly sexual.  Psychoanalysts subsequently imposed their own ideas about why children find these stories appealing: because they give children permission to express “complex, unconscious, infantile fantasies about sexual wishes, anger, guilt, and fear of punishment within the family.  It is unacceptable to consciousness for these to be explicit so they are expressed symbolically.”  The frog in the story represents the princess’s revulsion toward the male member, which she must overcome before she gets married. Some authors note that the Grimms thought that sex was unsuitable in stories for children but violence was perfectly acceptable, although some changes have to be made – it wouldn’t be appropriate for a mother to starve her children to death in the forest so the mother became an evil stepmother in Hansel and Gretel.

Jen Lumanlan 12:06

Now I have to admit that I got to this point in researching this episode and I thought to myself “what the heck are we teaching our children in these fairy tales?”  That’s when I reached out to Dr. Deena Weisberg of the University of Pennsylvania; you heard my interview with her a few weeks ago.  I was surprised to learn that, in general, she’s not a huge fan of censoring the stories we read to our children, although I do think there are a few approaches you could take with this.  One would be to read the stories anyway – some researchers believe that hearing a scary story from a trusted adult leads to intense feelings of anxiety and excitement, with a happy ending enabling relief and a return to safety.  This can allow traumatic experiences to be portrayed and intense emotions to be experienced safely.  I would think, though, that the suitability of this approach very much depends on the child – my own almost four-year-old cries when one friend might not see another friend again in a story, so I don’t think we’ll read original fairy tales anytime soon – but some children *enjoy* being scared and might get a lot out of this experience even at a young age. Another approach would be to share the Disney-type versions of the stories which are fairly effectively sanitized for the worst of the sex and violence, as long as you don’t think too deeply about how the parts of the story that are edited out – things like how Sleeping Beauty gets pregnant (she was raped by a married man) or that Quasimodo’s master has Esmeralda hanged in the Hunchback of Notre Dame, or that the sea witch cuts out the Little Mermaid’s tongue in the original version of the story.  You could read original versions of stories but change the worst-offending ideas on the fly as you go, although to my introverted, slow-thinking brain this would be more stressful than anything.

Jen Lumanlan 13:41

The other thing you can do is just pick different stories.  There are *so many* stories out there that you can choose one with messaging that you support and that your child will enjoy.  There’s plenty of time down the line for your child to get to the gory stuff, when they decide they’re ready for it.  This actually fits with the way that stories were used in previous generations, which is as one more tool in our toolbelt of ways we can support our personal development, and this means we can select a story for a particular purpose in a particular context.  These stories can take a couple of different forms – firstly, we might choose to learn a particular story in which we find a lot of meaning that is important to us.  The other thing we can do is to tell what is called family stories, which are the stories of our own families, and I should acknowledge here that I’m indebted once again to Dr. Laura Froyen for introducing me to this term because I hadn’t previously heard of it.  We’ll talk about family storytelling in our next episode in this series. So what are the benefits of storytelling, given that it currently is not prioritized in our culture?  Storytelling isn’t as common among Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic (or WEIRD) families as it is in families from some other cultures, and I believe that this is because people in WEIRD cultures have chosen to prioritize the ability to read above the ability to share stories.  Because schools happen to also prioritize the ability to read, likely because the systems in schools were set up by and primarily for the benefit of the dominant culture in WEIRD societies, which are white children, white families’ preparation of their children thus dovetails nicely with the skills their children will need once they get to school.

Jen Lumanlan 15:16

Families from other cultures value different kinds of information sharing, and I want to tell you about an incredibly powerful lesson I learned during my Master’s of Education.  I had the opportunity to choose one of five theorists who work on the topic of discourses, and in this context a discourse is the vocabulary and symbols that are used when thinking about and understanding a specific topic.  It’s like a “kit” of ideas that surround a concept and the way we think about it, and we can show ourselves as members of a group or as people who are outside a group using the way we describe that group. I actually had the option to pick a theorist who is working in the area where I come from in England, which would have been personally interesting to me, but I chose instead to focus on a theorist named James Paul Gee, who gives the Barbie Doll discourse as an example of what a discourse is, which you can recognize even if Barbie doesn’t have...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/storytelling]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2111</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2b428076-81f9-4412-aa4c-80df79f6f1ae/storytelling-1final.mp3" length="37043641" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>“Storytelling? I’m already reading books to my child – isn’t that enough?”
Your child DOES get a lot out of reading books (which is why we’ve done a several episodes on that already, including https://yourparentingmojo.com/readingbooks/ (What children learn from reading books), https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/ (How to read with your child), and https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/ (Did you already miss the boat on teaching your toddler how to read?).
But it turns out that storytelling benefits our relationship with our child in ways that reading books really can’t, because you’re looking at the book rather than at your child. If you ask your child what kind of story they’d like you to tell, you also get incredible insight into both their interests and concerns – I can attest to this, as I’ve been singing story-songs about poop and various kinds of baby animals who can’t find their mamas on and off for several weeks now (we had an incident a few months back where she couldn’t find me in a store).
In this episode we also discuss the ways that people from different cultures tell stories, and what implications this has for them as they interact with our education system.
Other episodes mentioned in this show:
https://yourparentingmojo.com/joy/ (035: Is your parenting All Joy and No Fun?)

References
Bengtsson, N. (2009). Sex and violence in fairy tales for children. Bookbird: A journal of international children’s literature 47(3), 15-21.
Byers,L.A.(1997).Telling the stories of our lives: Relational maintenance as illustrated through family communication. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, Ohio University.
Bylund, C.L. (2003). Ethnic diversity and family stories. Journal of Family Communication 3(4), 215-236.
Clark, A.N. (1969). Journey to the People. New York, NY: Viking.
Dyson, A.H., and Genishi, C. (Eds) (1994). The need for story: Cultural diversity in classroom and community. Urbana, IL: National Council of Teachers of English.
Egan, K. (1987). Literacy and the oral foundations of education. Harvard Educational review 57, 445-472.
Egan, K. (1997). The educated mind: How cognitive tools shape our understanding. Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press.
Fiese, B.H., Hooker, K.A., Kotary, L., Schwagler, J., and Rimmer, M. (1995). Family stories in the early stages of parenthood. Journal of Marriage and Family 57(3), 763-770.
Gee, J.P. (1985). The narrativization of experience in the oral style. Journal of Education 167(1), 9-35. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org/stable/42742075
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Isaacs, D. (2013). Sex and violence in fairy tales. Journal of Paediatrics and Child Health 49(12), 987-988.
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Larsen, N.E., Lee, K., and Ganea, P.A. (2017). Do storybooks with anthropomorphized characters promote prosocial ...</itunes:summary></item><item><title>064: Compassion (and how to help your child develop it)</title><itunes:title>064: Compassion (and how to help your child develop it)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[“Social and Emotional Learning” is all the rage in school these days, along with claims that it can help children to manage their emotions, make responsible decisions, as well as improve academic outcomes.

But what if those programs don’t go nearly far enough?

What if we could support our child in developing a sense of compassion that acts as a moral compass to not only display compassion toward others, but also to pursue those things in life that have been demonstrated – through research – to make us happy?  And what if we could do that by supporting them in reading cues they already feel in their own bodies, and that we ordinarily train out of them at a young age?

Dr. Brendan Ozawa-de Silva, Associate Director for the Emory University’s Center for Contemplative Science and Compassion-Based Ethics, tells us about his work to bring secular ethics, which he calls the cultivation of basic human values, into education and society

Learn more about Breandan’s work here:

<a href="http://www.compassion.emory.edu/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=en&amp;q=http://www.compassion.emory.edu&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1526706998379000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFhl3DrH6FOpCvhSwW7dHcmfTl59g">www.compassion.emory.edu</a>

<a href="https://www.facebook.com/emoryseelearning/">https://www.facebook.com/emoryseelearning/</a>

&nbsp;

We also mentioned the Yale University course The Psychology of Wellbeing, which is available on Coursera <a href="https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being?action=enroll">here</a>.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

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<strong>References</strong>

Desbordes, G., Negi, L.T., Pace, T.W.W., Wallace, B.A., Raison, C.L., &amp; Schwartz, E.L. (2012). Effects of mindful-attention and compassion medication training on amygdala response to emotional stimuli in an ordinary, non-meditative state. <em>Frontiers in Human Neuroscience 6</em>(1), 1-15.

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Frey, K.S., Nolen, S.B., Edstrom, L.V., &amp; Hirschstein, M.K. (2005). Effects of a school-based social-emotional competence program: Linking children’s goals, attributions, and behavior. <em>Applied Developmental Psychology 26</em>, 171-200.

<hr />

Lantieri, L., &amp; Nambiar, M. (2012). Cultivating the social, emotional, and inner lives of children and teachers. <em>Reclaiming Children and Youth 21</em>(2), 27-33.

<hr />

Maloney, J.E., Lawlor, M.S., Schonert-Reichl, K.A., &amp; Whitehead, J. (2016). A mindfulness-based social and emotional learning curriculum for school-aged children: The MindUP program. In K.A. Schoenert-Reichl &amp; R.W. Roeser (Eds.), <em>Handbook of mindfulness in education</em> (pp.313-334). New York, NY: Springer.

<hr />

Ozawa-de Silva, B., &amp; Dodson-Lavelle, B. (2011). An education of heart and mind: Practical and theoretical issues in teaching cognitive-based compassion training to children. <em>Practical Matters 4</em>, 1-28.

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Pace, T.W.W., Negi, L.T., Adame, D.D., Cole, S.P., Sivilli, T.I., Brown, T.D., Issa, M.J., &amp; Raison, C.L. (2009). Effect of compassion meditation on neuroendocrine, innate immune and behavioral responses to psychosocial stress. <em>Psychoneuroendocrinology 34</em>, 87-98.

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Rovelli, C. (2017). Reality is not what it seems: The journey to quantum gravity. New York, NY: Riverhead.

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.68">[00:40]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is on the topic of compassion. I actually need to thank Dr Tara Callahan, whom I interviewed way back in episode four of the show on encouraging creativity and artistic ability for bringing us this episode. She met today’s guest Dr Brendan Ozawa-de Silva at a conference and was kind enough to put us in touch. Dr Ozawa-de Silva is the Associate Director for the Emory University Center for Contemplative Science and Compassion-Based Ethics, where he’s responsible for Emory’s Social, Emotional, and Ethical learning program, or SEE Learning; a worldwide kindergarten through twelfth grade educational curriculum based on compassion and secular ethics. He received his doctorates from Oxford and Emory universities as well as master’s degrees from Boston and Oxford Universities; I think you’ve actually got more degrees than I do. His chief interests lies in bringing secular ethics, which he calls the cultivation of basic human values into education and society. I’m excited to learn more today about his work and the benefits that it has for children. Welcome Brendan.

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.51">[01:42]</a></u>

Thank you Jen.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.8">[01:43]</a></u>

So can you start by telling us what are secular ethics, what do these have to do with social and emotional learning that parents might already be familiar with?

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.99">[01:51]</a></u>

So secular ethics means basic human values, so things like compassion, gratitude, sense of common humanity, a recognition of our responsibility to one another and to the environment. And if we look at the two words, the word secular means that we approach these ethics not on the basis of any one religion or ideology, but in a broad way on the basis of science, common Sense, common experience. So what we have in common with each other rather than what kind of separates us, which religion and ideology can do, but it doesn’t mean secular in the sense of anti-religious. So secular ethics doesn’t mean anything against religion, but it’s rather what we all have in common despite our religious national cultural differences. And then when we talk about ethics, it’s important to state that we’re not talking about ethics as a set of rules or principles that are being handed down by an authority that this is right and that is wrong; this is good and that iss bad, but really exploring the dimension of what contributes to individual and social flourishing. So what’s beneficial for us, what are the kinds of common values that we would share that will be beneficial to us. So we agree on those values politically and legally. For example, we have laws saying, you know, you can’t steal and you can’t murder people. And those reflect our common values independent of religion. So that’s what we’re approaching it. And the connection to SEL is that we believe that the cultivation of these basic human values is very linked to social and emotional intelligence and social emotional skills. So these moral emotions are actually social emotions, just emotions that involve how we relate to one another. So it’s a kind of different approach to ethics.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.89">[03:40]</a></u>

Yeah. And as you’re listing off those components, compassion, gratitude, responsibility, individual and social flourishing, I’m going down that list thinking, Yep, I want that. I want that for my daughter. So that gives us a framework to think within and to me, that sounds. Yes. I want to know more about that. So can you tell us why this kind of learning is important for children? And specifically I’m interested in it seems as though not all of these concepts are a component of the existing SEL programs. And by SEL we mean social and emotional learning programs as they’re typically taught in schools.

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=255.88">[04:15]</a></u>

Yeah. Well, I’d like to just very briefly give a story of myself when I was a child when I was growing up because it’s kind of a funny story and it kind of explains why I’m doing this. I remember when I was probably 10 or 11 maybe I first had these thoughts. Even earlier I was kind of thinking and I know what children think about this. Even at a much younger age, I was thinking about what’s important in life and what am I doing here and what am I supposed to be doing? What’s going to happen when I grow up? And I was asking these questions and wondering when in school we would actually be learning about these things. So I thought, well, they’re going to teach us. The adults are going to teach us about the meaning of relationships and loves and meaning in life and what life is about and all these things.

Dr. de Silva:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=303.07">[05:03]</a></u>

And I thought you know; we’re too young right now, so they’re going to teach us later. So maybe when we get to middle school, they’re gonna teach us these things and got to middle school and I said, no, they’re not teaching us that. And then I thought, well maybe in high school they’ll be teaching us those things and know it’s the same thing. Math, history,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“Social and Emotional Learning” is all the rage in school these days, along with claims that it can help children to manage their emotions, make responsible decisions, as well as improve academic outcomes.

But what if those programs don’t go nearly far enough?

What if we could support our child in developing a sense of compassion that acts as a moral compass to not only display compassion toward others, but also to pursue those things in life that have been demonstrated – through research – to make us happy?  And what if we could do that by supporting them in reading cues they already feel in their own bodies, and that we ordinarily train out of them at a young age?

Dr. Brendan Ozawa-de Silva, Associate Director for the Emory University’s Center for Contemplative Science and Compassion-Based Ethics, tells us about his work to bring secular ethics, which he calls the cultivation of basic human values, into education and society

Learn more about Breandan’s work here:

<a href="http://www.compassion.emory.edu/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=en&amp;q=http://www.compassion.emory.edu&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1526706998379000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFhl3DrH6FOpCvhSwW7dHcmfTl59g">www.compassion.emory.edu</a>

<a href="https://www.facebook.com/emoryseelearning/">https://www.facebook.com/emoryseelearning/</a>

&nbsp;

We also mentioned the Yale University course The Psychology of Wellbeing, which is available on Coursera <a href="https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being?action=enroll">here</a>.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Desbordes, G., Negi, L.T., Pace, T.W.W., Wallace, B.A., Raison, C.L., &amp; Schwartz, E.L. (2012). Effects of mindful-attention and compassion medication training on amygdala response to emotional stimuli in an ordinary, non-meditative state. <em>Frontiers in Human Neuroscience 6</em>(1), 1-15.

<hr />

Frey, K.S., Nolen, S.B., Edstrom, L.V., &amp; Hirschstein, M.K. (2005). Effects of a school-based social-emotional competence program: Linking children’s goals, attributions, and behavior. <em>Applied Developmental Psychology 26</em>, 171-200.

<hr />

Lantieri, L., &amp; Nambiar, M. (2012). Cultivating the social, emotional, and inner lives of children and teachers. <em>Reclaiming Children and Youth 21</em>(2), 27-33.

<hr />

Maloney, J.E., Lawlor, M.S., Schonert-Reichl, K.A., &amp; Whitehead, J. (2016). A mindfulness-based social and emotional learning curriculum for school-aged children: The MindUP program. In K.A. Schoenert-Reichl &amp; R.W. Roeser (Eds.), <em>Handbook of mindfulness in education</em> (pp.313-334). New York, NY: Springer.

<hr />

Ozawa-de Silva, B., &amp; Dodson-Lavelle, B. (2011). An education of heart and mind: Practical and theoretical issues in teaching cognitive-based compassion training to children. <em>Practical Matters 4</em>, 1-28.

<hr />

Pace, T.W.W., Negi, L.T., Adame, D.D., Cole, S.P., Sivilli, T.I., Brown, T.D., Issa, M.J., &amp; Raison, C.L. (2009). Effect of compassion meditation on neuroendocrine, innate immune and behavioral responses to psychosocial stress. <em>Psychoneuroendocrinology 34</em>, 87-98.

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Rovelli, C. (2017). Reality is not what it seems: The journey to quantum gravity. New York, NY: Riverhead.

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Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is on the topic of compassion. I actually need to thank Dr Tara Callahan, whom I interviewed way back in episode four of the show on encouraging creativity and artistic ability for bringing us this episode. She met today’s guest Dr Brendan Ozawa-de Silva at a conference and was kind enough to put us in touch. Dr Ozawa-de Silva is the Associate Director for the Emory University Center for Contemplative Science and Compassion-Based Ethics, where he’s responsible for Emory’s Social, Emotional, and Ethical learning program, or SEE Learning; a worldwide kindergarten through twelfth grade educational curriculum based on compassion and secular ethics. He received his doctorates from Oxford and Emory universities as well as master’s degrees from Boston and Oxford Universities; I think you’ve actually got more degrees than I do. His chief interests lies in bringing secular ethics, which he calls the cultivation of basic human values into education and society. I’m excited to learn more today about his work and the benefits that it has for children. Welcome Brendan.

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.51">[01:42]</a></u>

Thank you Jen.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.8">[01:43]</a></u>

So can you start by telling us what are secular ethics, what do these have to do with social and emotional learning that parents might already be familiar with?

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.99">[01:51]</a></u>

So secular ethics means basic human values, so things like compassion, gratitude, sense of common humanity, a recognition of our responsibility to one another and to the environment. And if we look at the two words, the word secular means that we approach these ethics not on the basis of any one religion or ideology, but in a broad way on the basis of science, common Sense, common experience. So what we have in common with each other rather than what kind of separates us, which religion and ideology can do, but it doesn’t mean secular in the sense of anti-religious. So secular ethics doesn’t mean anything against religion, but it’s rather what we all have in common despite our religious national cultural differences. And then when we talk about ethics, it’s important to state that we’re not talking about ethics as a set of rules or principles that are being handed down by an authority that this is right and that is wrong; this is good and that iss bad, but really exploring the dimension of what contributes to individual and social flourishing. So what’s beneficial for us, what are the kinds of common values that we would share that will be beneficial to us. So we agree on those values politically and legally. For example, we have laws saying, you know, you can’t steal and you can’t murder people. And those reflect our common values independent of religion. So that’s what we’re approaching it. And the connection to SEL is that we believe that the cultivation of these basic human values is very linked to social and emotional intelligence and social emotional skills. So these moral emotions are actually social emotions, just emotions that involve how we relate to one another. So it’s a kind of different approach to ethics.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.89">[03:40]</a></u>

Yeah. And as you’re listing off those components, compassion, gratitude, responsibility, individual and social flourishing, I’m going down that list thinking, Yep, I want that. I want that for my daughter. So that gives us a framework to think within and to me, that sounds. Yes. I want to know more about that. So can you tell us why this kind of learning is important for children? And specifically I’m interested in it seems as though not all of these concepts are a component of the existing SEL programs. And by SEL we mean social and emotional learning programs as they’re typically taught in schools.

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=255.88">[04:15]</a></u>

Yeah. Well, I’d like to just very briefly give a story of myself when I was a child when I was growing up because it’s kind of a funny story and it kind of explains why I’m doing this. I remember when I was probably 10 or 11 maybe I first had these thoughts. Even earlier I was kind of thinking and I know what children think about this. Even at a much younger age, I was thinking about what’s important in life and what am I doing here and what am I supposed to be doing? What’s going to happen when I grow up? And I was asking these questions and wondering when in school we would actually be learning about these things. So I thought, well, they’re going to teach us. The adults are going to teach us about the meaning of relationships and loves and meaning in life and what life is about and all these things.

Dr. de Silva:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=303.07">[05:03]</a></u>

And I thought you know; we’re too young right now, so they’re going to teach us later. So maybe when we get to middle school, they’re gonna teach us these things and got to middle school and I said, no, they’re not teaching us that. And then I thought, well maybe in high school they’ll be teaching us those things and know it’s the same thing. Math, history, biology, you know, and by then I was old enough to realize that even looking at college that we would never be taught these things. So not only are we not taught them, but there’s no space in the school day to even talk about them or discuss them. But I think that as human beings, we all have a need to find meaning in life as you said, as parents. We always want the best for our children. We want our children to have happy lives and we know that there’s a connection between character and flourishing; being a good person, however we define that.

Dr. de Silva:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.74">[05:47]</a></u>

We know that there’s a relationship between that and leading a happy life. So why don’t we make space for that in education and maybe in previous times that’s a space that would have been held by the family or extended family, the community churches, but what we’re seeing in today’s pluralistic society is that increasingly these things aren’t talked about and so kids don’t have a space to talk about them and since all children go through school in some form or another, why not allow school to be the place where we do that. Social and emotional learning is a step in that direction because it creates a space in the curriculum and in the school day for kids to talk about emotions, talk about relationships, but SEL has stayed away from the kind of more thorny question of values and things like compassion and things like meaning because you know that’s moving in the direction of ethics and to some people that starts sounding like religion, but we think that there’s a way to talk.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.05">[06:49]</a></u>

And dangerous, too…

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.35">[06:49]</a></u>

Yeah, exactly. And we have a history of people trying to indoctrinate our kids in various ways and of course we should be very suspicious of that, but we believe that there’s a way of doing it, which is not about indoctrination at all, but about exploration. So our program is very much not about teaching children how to think or what to think, but creating a space where they can explore these questions for themselves to talk about their own anxieties, their fears, their hopes and these deeper questions of meaning so that they can kind of get a jumpstart on those things. And also we think it might be protective against some of the problems that we’re seeing among kids and in schools with regard to anxiety, bullying and just a host of various issues that we’re dealing with.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=453.17">[07:33]</a></u>

Okay. Your anecdote reminded me of my own moment where I thought the grownups had it all figured out. I was in geography class when I learned about climate change and it was just before the 1992 Rio climate conference and my teacher told us about the conference and I thought, Oh okay, well the adults are going to go and figure out what to do about this and they’re going to come back and tell us and we’re going to do it and climate change will be solved. I believe that’s probably not what happened at the Rio conference or we wouldn’t still have climate change today, but yeah, so when that leads us to the broader issue of the fact that the grownups don’t always have all the answers and that can be uncomfortable I think for teachers and also for parents. And so what would you say to parents who are thinking, oh, I do not want to open this can of worms with my kid because I don’t know what to say. I don’t know what the answer is.

Dr. de Silva:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=502.6">[08:22]</a></u>

I think that’s a great point. I think there’s a moment in every child’s life. Probably when they have that Aha moment, they realized that the world is a lot crazier than it should be and that means that the, the grownups have not figured all things out. I remember going to school in the seventies and eighties and being taught stop, drop and roll. You know, what happens if a nuclear bomb falls on you learning things like MAD; Mutually Assured Destruction. So if the Russians fire warheads at us in the States, then that’s no problem because we will fire warheads back at them and everyone will die. So yeah, you learn this, you hear these horrifying things as a kid and you realize, yeah, the adults don’t have all the answers but there’s no place in school to talk about that. And for a lot of kids sometimes there isn’t even a place at home.

Dr. de Silva:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=547.92">[09:07]</a></u>

So I think it is very important for parents to make that space and be courageous enough. It also takes courage from our teachers also to walk into this space where they know they don’t have all the answers. You know, we haven’t figured out our own emotions, our own relationships certainly, but just creating that space is so important and to allow children to explore that. Children have an incredible amount of wisdom on their own and it never ceases to amaze us that when that space is created, the things that they come up with and the learning that takes place just through the conversations. And we also find that parents learn a lot. So a lot of children who go through our program…we’ll bump into the parents and the drug store or at a yoga studio if it’s a school here in Atlanta for example. And they’ll say, you know, my kid was teaching me this about stress and teaching me this about what I can do when I get upset. And, and you know, was seeing me stressed out and saying, know mommy, you can take a few deep breaths now or you can push against the wall. You know, we teach them all these various techniques and those, they get deeper and deeper and deeper. And so the parents, you know, that’s the funny thing is that the parents can also learn, so if parents are open to it, it’s a great opportunity for growth for themselves and their kids and their relationship with their kids.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=621.93">[10:21]</a></u>

Yeah. And you know, your curriculum addresses kindergarten through age 12, but I think it’s important to note that this isn’t something you have to wait until school age to start. Actually in an astounding moment of coincidence. I was just browsing Facebook before we got on this call and a friend of mine posted a discussion he’d had with his son who’s four and his son, they were just eating lunch. His son said what’s the best thing to do Papa? And he said, I think the best thing is to keep asking questions and his son said Oh, why? And he said, because if you keep asking questions you understand more. And with understanding you become more compassionate. And his son said what’s compassionate? And he said, what do you think it is? And his son said Well, compassionate is when you hear more laughs and more crying and, and, and he said, yeah, that’s right. When you hear more laughs and more crying, you’ll understand yourself and the people around you better and with that more love goes around and I just thought, wow, this kid is four years old and he’s already having conversations like that with his father. So shout out to my friend – you know who you; are not going to out you on the show, but yeah. So yes, we’re talking about a curriculum that’s used in school, but this is also relevant to kids younger than this, right?

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=691.02">[11:31]</a></u>

No, absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. It’s a grades K through 12 program, but children’s first learn about compassion from their home environment and from their parents and they first learned the sense of how to get along with others and how to interact with others in the home environment. So absolutely one can and should start earlier. And that little anecdote that you shared is exactly our approach. I mean, we want kids asking these questions. We see kids as little scientists, kids are little scientists, you know, trying to figure out the world and we can teach them one way and say this is the right way, but they’re going to learn pretty quickly that what we have taught them as the right way is only partially true and partially helpful and ultimately they’re going to have to find things out for themselves. So that attitude of questioning and exploring is very central to what we’re doing.

Dr. de Silva:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CtArDWTJTr_TJXjD1LMJzeENQgF4xHVcc93PJwVl4Z-fqhVDtmZT_FH7JsZ2dVYMfu2r2eUQUd3fLKHmKoEPyKzZb7g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=746.56">[12:26]</a></u>

And it’s interesting because some teachers have…we’ve run several workshops over the past several years. We’re still in the pilot phase and the preliminary phase of our development, but we have about 460 counselors and teachers working with us; we’ve done trainings for around the world and are giving us feedback and some of the feedback that they’re]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/compassion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=2056</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2018 22:48:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8c96e015-af32-46b0-9b02-66e4018f78e6/compassionedited.mp3" length="52946570" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>“Social and Emotional Learning” is all the rage in school these days, along with claims that it can help children to manage their emotions, make responsible decisions, as well as improve academic outcomes.
But what if those programs don’t go nearly far enough?
What if we could support our child in developing a sense of compassion that acts as a moral compass to not only display compassion toward others, but also to pursue those things in life that have been demonstrated – through research – to make us happy?  And what if we could do that by supporting them in reading cues they already feel in their own bodies, and that we ordinarily train out of them at a young age?
Dr. Brendan Ozawa-de Silva, Associate Director for the Emory University’s Center for Contemplative Science and Compassion-Based Ethics, tells us about his work to bring secular ethics, which he calls the cultivation of basic human values, into education and society
Learn more about Breandan’s work here:
http://www.compassion.emory.edu/ (www.compassion.emory.edu)
https://www.facebook.com/emoryseelearning/ (https://www.facebook.com/emoryseelearning/)
 
We also mentioned the Yale University course The Psychology of Wellbeing, which is available on Coursera https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being?action=enroll (here).

 
 
References
Desbordes, G., Negi, L.T., Pace, T.W.W., Wallace, B.A., Raison, C.L., and Schwartz, E.L. (2012). Effects of mindful-attention and compassion medication training on amygdala response to emotional stimuli in an ordinary, non-meditative state. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience 6(1), 1-15.
Frey, K.S., Nolen, S.B., Edstrom, L.V., and Hirschstein, M.K. (2005). Effects of a school-based social-emotional competence program: Linking children’s goals, attributions, and behavior. Applied Developmental Psychology 26, 171-200.
Lantieri, L., and Nambiar, M. (2012). Cultivating the social, emotional, and inner lives of children and teachers. Reclaiming Children and Youth 21(2), 27-33.
Maloney, J.E., Lawlor, M.S., Schonert-Reichl, K.A., and Whitehead, J. (2016). A mindfulness-based social and emotional learning curriculum for school-aged children: The MindUP program. In K.A. Schoenert-Reichl and R.W. Roeser (Eds.), Handbook of mindfulness in education (pp.313-334). New York, NY: Springer.
Ozawa-de Silva, B., and Dodson-Lavelle, B. (2011). An education of heart and mind: Practical and theoretical issues in teaching cognitive-based compassion training to children. Practical Matters 4, 1-28.
Pace, T.W.W., Negi, L.T., Adame, D.D., Cole, S.P., Sivilli, T.I., Brown, T.D., Issa, M.J., and Raison, C.L. (2009). Effect of compassion meditation on neuroendocrine, innate immune and behavioral responses to psychosocial stress. Psychoneuroendocrinology 34, 87-98.
Rovelli, C. (2017). Reality is not what it seems: The journey to quantum gravity. New York, NY: Riverhead.
 
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It turns out that there's actually quite a lot to learn, and that family storytelling can be a particularly useful tool for parents. We're all trying to figure out how to transmit our values to our children, and storytelling can be quite an effective way of doing this. Further, storytelling can be a really valuable way to support children in overcoming traumatic experiences - and even to repair relationships after difficult moments like yelling. In this episode we dig into the research on the benefits of family storytelling and look at how to do it effectively.

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<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What exactly is family storytelling and how is it different from just reading books to my kids?</strong>

We often feel safest when we read books to our kids.  It seems like a ‘script’ that saves us from having to fully understand the situation and come up with our own words to describe it. Family storytelling involves sharing narratives about your <em>own</em> family experiences, values, and history. It creates a powerful connection between generations as you transmit important values. It can help children make sense of their place in your family relationships. The episode explores fascinating research about how these personal narratives shape children's identity in ways that storybooks can't match!

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<strong>How can family storytelling help during difficult times or after traumatic experiences?</strong>

When difficult emotions arise in our family, it can be tempting to pretend the situation didn’t happen. We hope our kids will just forget about difficult experiences. Instead, children may worry more when they 'can't talk about what happened. Family storytelling is a valuable tool for helping children overcome traumatic experiences. It helps them to make sense of what happened, and repair their family relationships. This can help children build resilience.

&nbsp;

<strong>Do all families tell stories the same way, or are there cultural differences?</strong>

There are fascinating cultural differences in how families engage in storytelling! American families often position children as primary narrators (like asking about their day at dinner). Israeli families tend to create more equal narrative participation between adults and children. The episode explores how these cultural storytelling styles impact child development differently. We offer insights into adapting techniques that might work best for your family.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How do family stories change as children grow older?</strong>

Parents tend to share different types of stories as children mature. Parents of younger children tend to tell stories with stronger themes of affiliation and connection. Stories shared with older children often shift toward themes of achievement and striving for success. The podcast unpacks the developmental reasons for this progression. We offer ideas on ways to balance different types of stories.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How does the way the story is told affect children?</strong>

The atmosphere during family storytelling matters a lot. Researchers have studied the factors that create a positive storytelling environment. These include:
<ul><li>Courtesy</li><li>Respect</li><li>Agreement on story details</li></ul><br/>
The episode reveals surprising connections between these communication patterns and children's emotional development. We offer practical guidance for creating storytelling moments that strengthen family bonds.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What happens when family stories evolve into "legacies" over generations?</strong>

Stories can combine over time and generations. Then they become family legacies that shape how family members view themselves and their place in the world. The podcast explores the profound impact these narratives have on children's identity formation and family relationships. We share strategies for creating meaningful family legacies even if you haven't established these yet.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How can I start family storytelling if it wasn't part of my own childhood experience?</strong>

This might be one of the most valuable parts of the episode for many listeners! The episode provides practical, research-backed strategies to create meaningful family narratives. Even if you didn't grow up with family storytelling traditions. You'll learn specific prompts, timing suggestions, and approaches that feel natural rather than forced.

<strong> </strong>
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>How family storytelling creates stronger emotional bonds between parents and children. Stories can incorporate difficult emotions that we want children to learn how to navigate effectively.  They help you build deeper connections that last a lifetime!</li><li>Why storytelling is a powerful parenting tool for transmitting your family values. It creates meaningful legacies that shape your child's identity</li><li>The fascinating differences in stories between families from different cultures, and how these impact child development</li><li>How 'family formation stories' can boost your child's self-esteem and sense of belonging</li><li>The research-backed benefits of using storytelling to help children overcome traumatic experiences.  Stories help to repair family relationships after difficult life events.</li><li>Practical ways to incorporate regular family storytelling into your daily routines. You can do it even if you don't consider yourself a "natural storyteller"!</li><li>How family stories evolve over time. Parents can share stories about closeness with younger children. These can shift to achievement-themed narratives as children grow older</li><li>How respectful family communication during storytelling creates positive outcomes for children</li></ul><br/>
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If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
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00:37 Introduction of today’s topic

01:44 Walter Fisher is a professor emeritus at the University of Southern California who theorized that narration can be divided into two types – “recounting” or “accounting for.”

02:41 Elizabeth Stone, is an author of the book that’s famous for storytelling called Black Sheep and Kissing Cousins, says the functions of family stories are firstly to persuade family members they are special, secondly to teach about the ways of the world and the family’s methods of coping with troubles and successes, and thirdly helping a person to know his or her own identity

03:35 Six qualities used to define family strength are: a commitment to the family and well-being of each family member, positive communication and an ability to resolve conflict constructively, regular expressions of affection among family members, a tendency to enjoy quality time together, a sense of spiritual wellbeing and an ability to effectively manage stress and unexpected crises

05:11 Mothers tell stories with stronger themes of affiliation than fathers, and affiliation themes are also more common with younger children than with preschoolers

05:47 American family stories often celebratory in nature, without an evident theme of hardship and trial that were present in both recently immigrated and fully assimilated Mexican American family according to Dr. Carma Bylund of the University of Iowa

11:58 Black children in Trackton had an inferior linguistic skillset to those of White children, but rather that their skillset is "different" and does not align well with the skillset that is valued in schools

15:22 Family stories can do is to help children to resolve strong feelings about something traumatic that happened in the family.

17:00 Storytelling can shift stressors from being things that just one family member experiences to a relational-level activity

18:24 Vygotsky believed that there is no such thing as a piece of knowledge that sits off by itself and we can grab hold and learn, and that instead learning is a thing that is constructed between two people

19:49 According to Professor Judy Koenig Kellas of the University of Nebraska that when stories are combined over time and generations, they become family legacies

25:45 Wrapping up the discussion

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<strong>References</strong>

Bylund, C.L. (2003). Ethnic diversity and family stories. <em>Journal of Family Communication 3</em>(4), 215-236.

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DeFrain, J., &amp; Stinnett, N. (2003). Family strengths. In J.J. Ponzetti (Ed.), <em>International encyclopedia of marriage and family</em> (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed., pp.637-642). New York, NY: Macmillan Reference Group.

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Fiese, B.H., Hooker, K.A., Kotary, L., Schwagler, J., &amp; Rimmer, M. (1995). Family stories in...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA["How much can there really be to learn about storytelling?" I thought when I started on this mini-series.

&nbsp;

It turns out that there's actually quite a lot to learn, and that family storytelling can be a particularly useful tool for parents. We're all trying to figure out how to transmit our values to our children, and storytelling can be quite an effective way of doing this. Further, storytelling can be a really valuable way to support children in overcoming traumatic experiences - and even to repair relationships after difficult moments like yelling. In this episode we dig into the research on the benefits of family storytelling and look at how to do it effectively.

&nbsp;
<h2>Questions this episode will answer</h2>
<strong>What exactly is family storytelling and how is it different from just reading books to my kids?</strong>

We often feel safest when we read books to our kids.  It seems like a ‘script’ that saves us from having to fully understand the situation and come up with our own words to describe it. Family storytelling involves sharing narratives about your <em>own</em> family experiences, values, and history. It creates a powerful connection between generations as you transmit important values. It can help children make sense of their place in your family relationships. The episode explores fascinating research about how these personal narratives shape children's identity in ways that storybooks can't match!

&nbsp;

<strong>How can family storytelling help during difficult times or after traumatic experiences?</strong>

When difficult emotions arise in our family, it can be tempting to pretend the situation didn’t happen. We hope our kids will just forget about difficult experiences. Instead, children may worry more when they 'can't talk about what happened. Family storytelling is a valuable tool for helping children overcome traumatic experiences. It helps them to make sense of what happened, and repair their family relationships. This can help children build resilience.

&nbsp;

<strong>Do all families tell stories the same way, or are there cultural differences?</strong>

There are fascinating cultural differences in how families engage in storytelling! American families often position children as primary narrators (like asking about their day at dinner). Israeli families tend to create more equal narrative participation between adults and children. The episode explores how these cultural storytelling styles impact child development differently. We offer insights into adapting techniques that might work best for your family.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How do family stories change as children grow older?</strong>

Parents tend to share different types of stories as children mature. Parents of younger children tend to tell stories with stronger themes of affiliation and connection. Stories shared with older children often shift toward themes of achievement and striving for success. The podcast unpacks the developmental reasons for this progression. We offer ideas on ways to balance different types of stories.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How does the way the story is told affect children?</strong>

The atmosphere during family storytelling matters a lot. Researchers have studied the factors that create a positive storytelling environment. These include:
<ul><li>Courtesy</li><li>Respect</li><li>Agreement on story details</li></ul><br/>
The episode reveals surprising connections between these communication patterns and children's emotional development. We offer practical guidance for creating storytelling moments that strengthen family bonds.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>What happens when family stories evolve into "legacies" over generations?</strong>

Stories can combine over time and generations. Then they become family legacies that shape how family members view themselves and their place in the world. The podcast explores the profound impact these narratives have on children's identity formation and family relationships. We share strategies for creating meaningful family legacies even if you haven't established these yet.

<strong> </strong>

<strong>How can I start family storytelling if it wasn't part of my own childhood experience?</strong>

This might be one of the most valuable parts of the episode for many listeners! The episode provides practical, research-backed strategies to create meaningful family narratives. Even if you didn't grow up with family storytelling traditions. You'll learn specific prompts, timing suggestions, and approaches that feel natural rather than forced.

<strong> </strong>
<h2>What you'll learn in this episode</h2>
<ul><li>How family storytelling creates stronger emotional bonds between parents and children. Stories can incorporate difficult emotions that we want children to learn how to navigate effectively.  They help you build deeper connections that last a lifetime!</li><li>Why storytelling is a powerful parenting tool for transmitting your family values. It creates meaningful legacies that shape your child's identity</li><li>The fascinating differences in stories between families from different cultures, and how these impact child development</li><li>How 'family formation stories' can boost your child's self-esteem and sense of belonging</li><li>The research-backed benefits of using storytelling to help children overcome traumatic experiences.  Stories help to repair family relationships after difficult life events.</li><li>Practical ways to incorporate regular family storytelling into your daily routines. You can do it even if you don't consider yourself a "natural storyteller"!</li><li>How family stories evolve over time. Parents can share stories about closeness with younger children. These can shift to achievement-themed narratives as children grow older</li><li>How respectful family communication during storytelling creates positive outcomes for children</li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

If you see that your relationship with your child isn’t where you want it to be because you:
<ul><li>Speak to them in a tone or using words that you would never let other people use with your child…</li><li>Are rougher with their bodies than you know you should be when you feel frustrated…</li><li>Feel guilt and/or shame about how they’re experiencing your words and actions, even though your intentions are never to hurt them…</li></ul><br/>
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&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:37 Introduction of today’s topic

01:44 Walter Fisher is a professor emeritus at the University of Southern California who theorized that narration can be divided into two types – “recounting” or “accounting for.”

02:41 Elizabeth Stone, is an author of the book that’s famous for storytelling called Black Sheep and Kissing Cousins, says the functions of family stories are firstly to persuade family members they are special, secondly to teach about the ways of the world and the family’s methods of coping with troubles and successes, and thirdly helping a person to know his or her own identity

03:35 Six qualities used to define family strength are: a commitment to the family and well-being of each family member, positive communication and an ability to resolve conflict constructively, regular expressions of affection among family members, a tendency to enjoy quality time together, a sense of spiritual wellbeing and an ability to effectively manage stress and unexpected crises

05:11 Mothers tell stories with stronger themes of affiliation than fathers, and affiliation themes are also more common with younger children than with preschoolers

05:47 American family stories often celebratory in nature, without an evident theme of hardship and trial that were present in both recently immigrated and fully assimilated Mexican American family according to Dr. Carma Bylund of the University of Iowa

11:58 Black children in Trackton had an inferior linguistic skillset to those of White children, but rather that their skillset is "different" and does not align well with the skillset that is valued in schools

15:22 Family stories can do is to help children to resolve strong feelings about something traumatic that happened in the family.

17:00 Storytelling can shift stressors from being things that just one family member experiences to a relational-level activity

18:24 Vygotsky believed that there is no such thing as a piece of knowledge that sits off by itself and we can grab hold and learn, and that instead learning is a thing that is constructed between two people

19:49 According to Professor Judy Koenig Kellas of the University of Nebraska that when stories are combined over time and generations, they become family legacies

25:45 Wrapping up the discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bylund, C.L. (2003). Ethnic diversity and family stories. <em>Journal of Family Communication 3</em>(4), 215-236.

<hr />

DeFrain, J., &amp; Stinnett, N. (2003). Family strengths. In J.J. Ponzetti (Ed.), <em>International encyclopedia of marriage and family</em> (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed., pp.637-642). New York, NY: Macmillan Reference Group.

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Fiese, B.H., Hooker, K.A., Kotary, L., Schwagler, J., &amp; Rimmer, M. (1995). Family stories in the early stages of parenthood. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 57</em>(3), 763-770.

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Heath, S.B. (1990). The children of Trackton’s children: Spoken and written language in social change. In J.W. Stigler, R.A. Shweder, &amp; G. Herdt (Eds.), <em>Cultural psychology: Essays on comparative human development</em> (pp.496-519). Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.  Full chapter available at: http://www.shirleybriceheath.net/pdfs/SBH_ChildrenTracktonsChildren.pdf

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Kellas, J.K., &amp; Horstman, H.K. (2015). Communicated narrative sense-making: Understanding family narratives, storytelling, and the construction of meaning through a communicative lens. In L.H. Turner &amp; R. West, <em>The SAGE handbook of family communication</em>. Thousand Oaks, CA: SAGE.

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Kellas, J.K., &amp; Trees, A.R. (2006). Finding meaning in difficult family experiences: Sense-making and interaction processes during joint family storytelling. <em>Journal of Family Communication 6</em>(1), 49-76.

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Schrodt, P. (2009). Family strength and satisfaction as functions of family communication environments. <em>Communication Quarterly 57</em>(2), 171-186.

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Thompson, B., Kellas, J.K., Soliz, J., Thompson, J., &amp; Epp, A. (2009). Family legacies: Constructing individual and family identity through intergenerational storytelling. Papers in Communication Studies (122), University of Nebraska – Lincoln. Retrieved from p://digitalcommons.unl.edu/commstudiespapers/122

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Thompson, P.A., &amp; Schrodt, P. (2015). Perceptions of joint family storytelling as mediators of family communication patterns and family strengths. <em>Communication Quarterly 63</em>(4), 405-426.

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This episode comes mid-way in an extended series on the importance of play for children.  The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">first episode in the series</a> was an interview with Dr. Stuart Brown of the National Institute for Play on the value of play, both for children and for adults.  Then we followed with a look at the research on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">the benefits of outdoor play</a>, followed by an <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">interview with Dr. Scott Sampson</a> who wrote the book How to Raise a Wild Child, which had tons of practical advice for getting kids outside more, as well as getting outside more with your kids.

Today we move on to the topic of risky play.  We’ll define it, and discuss its benefits and drawbacks, as well as things we as parents can do to encourage more risky play if we decide we want to do that.

Because it turns out that insulating our children from risk may not be such a good thing after all.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">What is the value of play?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">The benefits of outdoor play</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">How to Raise a Wild Child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/freetolearn/">Free to Learn</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/grit/">Grit</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Brackett-Milburn, K., &amp; Harden, J. (2004). How children and their families construct and negotiate risk, safety, and danger. Childhood 11(4), 429-447.

<hr />

Brussoni, M., Brunelle, S., Pike, I., Sandseter, E.B.H., Herrington, S., Turner, H., Belair, S., Logan, L., Fuselli, P., &amp; Ball, D.J. (2015). Can child injury prevention include healthy risk promotion? Injury Prevention 21, 344-347.

<hr />

Brussoni, M., Ishikawa, T., Brunelle, S., &amp; Herrington, S. (2017). Landscapes for play: Effects of an intervention to promote nature-based risky play in early childhood centres. Journal of Environmental Psychology 54, 139-150.

<hr />

Christensen, P., &amp; Mikkelsen, M.R. (2008). Jumping off and being careful: Children’s strategies of risk management in everyday life. Sociology of Health &amp; Illness 30(1), 112-130.

<hr />

Hill, A., &amp; Bundy, A.C. (2012). Reliability and validity of a new instrument to measure tolerance of everyday risk for children. Child: Care, Health, and Development 40(1), 68-76.

<hr />

Leviton, M. (2016, February). The kids are all right: David Lancy questions our assumptions about parenting. The Sun. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/482/the-kids-are-all-right">https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/482/the-kids-are-all-right</a>

<hr />

Little, H., Wyver, S., &amp; Gibson, F. (2011). The influence of play context and adult attitudes on young children’s physical risk-taking during outdoor play. European Early Childhood Education Research Journal 19(1), 113-131.

<hr />

Niehues, A.N., Bundy, A., Broom, A., Tranter, P., Ragen, J., &amp; Engelen, L. (2013). Everyday uncertainties: Reframing perceptions of risk in outdoor free play. Journal of Adventure Education &amp; Outdoor Learning 13(3), 223-237.

<hr />

Norton, C., Nixon, J., &amp; Sibert, J.R. (2004). Playground injuries to children. Archives of Disease in Childhood 89(2), 103-108.

<hr />

Plumert, J.M., &amp; Schwebel, D.C. (1997). Social and temperamental influences on children’s overestimation of their physical abilities: Links to accidental injuries. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 67, 317-337.

<hr />

Poultona, R., Menziesb, R.G., Craskec, M.G., Langleyd, J.D., &amp; Silvaa, P.Aa. (1999). Water trauma and swimming experiences up to age 9 and fear of water at age 18: A longitudinal study. Behavior Research and Therapy 37(1), 39-48.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2007). Categorizing risky play – how can we identify risk-taking in children’s play? European Early Childhood Education Research Journal 15(2), 237-252.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2009). Characteristics of risky play. Journal of Adventure Education &amp; Outdoor Learning 9(1), 3-21.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2009). Children’s expressions of exhilaration and fear in risky play. Contemporary issues in early childhood 10(2), 92-106.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2010). “It tickles my tummy!”: Understanding children’s risk-taking in play through reversal theory. Journal of Early Childhood Research 8(1), 67-88.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2011). Children’s risky play from an evolutionary perspective: The anti-phobic effects of thrilling experiences. Evolutionary Psychology 9(2), 257-284.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H., &amp; Sando, O.J. (2016). “We don’t allow children to climb trees”: How a focus on safety affects Norwegian children’s play in early childhood education and care settings. American Journal of Play 8(2), 178-200.

<hr />

Storili, R., &amp; Sandseter, E.B.H. (2015). Preschool teachers perceptions of children’s rough-and-tumble play (R&amp;T) in indoor and outdoor environments. Early Child Development and Care 185(11-12), 1995-2009.

<hr />

Wyver, S., Tranter, P., Naughton, G., Little, H., Sandseter, E.B.H., &amp; Bundy, A. (2010). Ten ways to restrict children’s freedom to play: The problem of surplus safety. Contemporary Issues in Eaerly Childhood 11(3), 263-277.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">What is the value of play?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">The benefits of outdoor play</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">How to Raise a Wild Child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/freetolearn/">Free to Learn</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/growthmindset/">Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/grit/">Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We’re mid-way through an extended series of episodes on play at the moment.  The first in the series was an interview with Dr. Stuart Brown of the National Institute for Play on the value of play, both for children and for adults.  Then we followed with a look at the research on the benefits of outdoor play, followed by an interview with Dr. Scott Sampson who wrote the book How to Raise a Wild Child, which had tons of practical advice for getting kids outside more, as well as getting outside more with your kids.

Today we move on to the topic of risky play.  We’ll define it, and discuss its benefits and drawbacks, as well as things we as parents can do to encourage more risky play if we decide we want to.

Before we get going, I want to acknowledge that this episode rests heavily on the work of Professor Ellen Beate Hansen Sandseter (I hope I’m pronouncing that somewhat accurately) at the Queen Maud University College of Early Childhood Education in Norway.  We’ve discussed quite a bit of research lately which relies on a single researcher’s work – I’m thinking of the Mindset and Grit episodes, and I’m also familiar with the take-down of the Power Poses research by Dr. Amy Cuddy, which is the idea that if you stand up straight and spread your arms out wide in a really physically open position before you do something scary like going to a job interview or giving a presentation, your performance will measurably improve.  After another study failed to replicate the findings of the original one, Dr. Cuddy’s own co-author ended up publishing a statement saying she didn’t believe that Power Poses were real and had any benefit.  What those researchers all had in common was a single paper or very few papers which formed the foundation for their work, and an incredible amount of exposure which, these days, is often measured in TED talk views.  Dr. Dweck of the Mindset research is the laggard in this group considering that her work has been around the longest, with only 7 million views; Dr. Cuddy leads the pack with 45 ½ million views.

On the other hand, Dr. Sandseter has not given a TED talk.  The majority of her sample sizes are pretty small; she also almost exclusively works in Norway except where she occasionally collaborates with researchers from other countries so her findings may not be applicable to people in other countries where risk is viewed differently than it is there.  She has a blog but honestly it’s pretty dry reading, with most of the updates consisting of notifications about papers she’s published, which non-academics can’t access anyway because the actual papers are behind the publishing journal’s paywall.  I also haven’t found any papers criticizing her methodology or her results.  My overall impression is that she is a scholar who has slowly and patiently built up a body of research over the last decade and a half, and she’s interested in being a resource to educators in Norway rather than being a celebrity – all of which is to say that I generally trust her work.

So how do we define risky play?  Dr. Sandseter tried to do exactly this in a 2007 paper, for which she followed 38 children aged 3-5 from two Norwegian preschools and also interviewed the teachers at those schools.  She selected the schools because of the variety of outdoor experiences available to the children in each of them – one of the preschools had a playground had what she calls a “typical”...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We should protect our children from risks, right?  Isn’t that our job as parents?

This episode comes mid-way in an extended series on the importance of play for children.  The <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">first episode in the series</a> was an interview with Dr. Stuart Brown of the National Institute for Play on the value of play, both for children and for adults.  Then we followed with a look at the research on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">the benefits of outdoor play</a>, followed by an <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">interview with Dr. Scott Sampson</a> who wrote the book How to Raise a Wild Child, which had tons of practical advice for getting kids outside more, as well as getting outside more with your kids.

Today we move on to the topic of risky play.  We’ll define it, and discuss its benefits and drawbacks, as well as things we as parents can do to encourage more risky play if we decide we want to do that.

Because it turns out that insulating our children from risk may not be such a good thing after all.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">What is the value of play?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">The benefits of outdoor play</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">How to Raise a Wild Child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/freetolearn/">Free to Learn</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/grit/">Grit</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Brackett-Milburn, K., &amp; Harden, J. (2004). How children and their families construct and negotiate risk, safety, and danger. Childhood 11(4), 429-447.

<hr />

Brussoni, M., Brunelle, S., Pike, I., Sandseter, E.B.H., Herrington, S., Turner, H., Belair, S., Logan, L., Fuselli, P., &amp; Ball, D.J. (2015). Can child injury prevention include healthy risk promotion? Injury Prevention 21, 344-347.

<hr />

Brussoni, M., Ishikawa, T., Brunelle, S., &amp; Herrington, S. (2017). Landscapes for play: Effects of an intervention to promote nature-based risky play in early childhood centres. Journal of Environmental Psychology 54, 139-150.

<hr />

Christensen, P., &amp; Mikkelsen, M.R. (2008). Jumping off and being careful: Children’s strategies of risk management in everyday life. Sociology of Health &amp; Illness 30(1), 112-130.

<hr />

Hill, A., &amp; Bundy, A.C. (2012). Reliability and validity of a new instrument to measure tolerance of everyday risk for children. Child: Care, Health, and Development 40(1), 68-76.

<hr />

Leviton, M. (2016, February). The kids are all right: David Lancy questions our assumptions about parenting. The Sun. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/482/the-kids-are-all-right">https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/482/the-kids-are-all-right</a>

<hr />

Little, H., Wyver, S., &amp; Gibson, F. (2011). The influence of play context and adult attitudes on young children’s physical risk-taking during outdoor play. European Early Childhood Education Research Journal 19(1), 113-131.

<hr />

Niehues, A.N., Bundy, A., Broom, A., Tranter, P., Ragen, J., &amp; Engelen, L. (2013). Everyday uncertainties: Reframing perceptions of risk in outdoor free play. Journal of Adventure Education &amp; Outdoor Learning 13(3), 223-237.

<hr />

Norton, C., Nixon, J., &amp; Sibert, J.R. (2004). Playground injuries to children. Archives of Disease in Childhood 89(2), 103-108.

<hr />

Plumert, J.M., &amp; Schwebel, D.C. (1997). Social and temperamental influences on children’s overestimation of their physical abilities: Links to accidental injuries. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 67, 317-337.

<hr />

Poultona, R., Menziesb, R.G., Craskec, M.G., Langleyd, J.D., &amp; Silvaa, P.Aa. (1999). Water trauma and swimming experiences up to age 9 and fear of water at age 18: A longitudinal study. Behavior Research and Therapy 37(1), 39-48.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2007). Categorizing risky play – how can we identify risk-taking in children’s play? European Early Childhood Education Research Journal 15(2), 237-252.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2009). Characteristics of risky play. Journal of Adventure Education &amp; Outdoor Learning 9(1), 3-21.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2009). Children’s expressions of exhilaration and fear in risky play. Contemporary issues in early childhood 10(2), 92-106.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2010). “It tickles my tummy!”: Understanding children’s risk-taking in play through reversal theory. Journal of Early Childhood Research 8(1), 67-88.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H. (2011). Children’s risky play from an evolutionary perspective: The anti-phobic effects of thrilling experiences. Evolutionary Psychology 9(2), 257-284.

<hr />

Sandseter, E.B.H., &amp; Sando, O.J. (2016). “We don’t allow children to climb trees”: How a focus on safety affects Norwegian children’s play in early childhood education and care settings. American Journal of Play 8(2), 178-200.

<hr />

Storili, R., &amp; Sandseter, E.B.H. (2015). Preschool teachers perceptions of children’s rough-and-tumble play (R&amp;T) in indoor and outdoor environments. Early Child Development and Care 185(11-12), 1995-2009.

<hr />

Wyver, S., Tranter, P., Naughton, G., Little, H., Sandseter, E.B.H., &amp; Bundy, A. (2010). Ten ways to restrict children’s freedom to play: The problem of surplus safety. Contemporary Issues in Eaerly Childhood 11(3), 263-277.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">What is the value of play?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">The benefits of outdoor play</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/">How to Raise a Wild Child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/freetolearn/">Free to Learn</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/growthmindset/">Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/grit/">Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We’re mid-way through an extended series of episodes on play at the moment.  The first in the series was an interview with Dr. Stuart Brown of the National Institute for Play on the value of play, both for children and for adults.  Then we followed with a look at the research on the benefits of outdoor play, followed by an interview with Dr. Scott Sampson who wrote the book How to Raise a Wild Child, which had tons of practical advice for getting kids outside more, as well as getting outside more with your kids.

Today we move on to the topic of risky play.  We’ll define it, and discuss its benefits and drawbacks, as well as things we as parents can do to encourage more risky play if we decide we want to.

Before we get going, I want to acknowledge that this episode rests heavily on the work of Professor Ellen Beate Hansen Sandseter (I hope I’m pronouncing that somewhat accurately) at the Queen Maud University College of Early Childhood Education in Norway.  We’ve discussed quite a bit of research lately which relies on a single researcher’s work – I’m thinking of the Mindset and Grit episodes, and I’m also familiar with the take-down of the Power Poses research by Dr. Amy Cuddy, which is the idea that if you stand up straight and spread your arms out wide in a really physically open position before you do something scary like going to a job interview or giving a presentation, your performance will measurably improve.  After another study failed to replicate the findings of the original one, Dr. Cuddy’s own co-author ended up publishing a statement saying she didn’t believe that Power Poses were real and had any benefit.  What those researchers all had in common was a single paper or very few papers which formed the foundation for their work, and an incredible amount of exposure which, these days, is often measured in TED talk views.  Dr. Dweck of the Mindset research is the laggard in this group considering that her work has been around the longest, with only 7 million views; Dr. Cuddy leads the pack with 45 ½ million views.

On the other hand, Dr. Sandseter has not given a TED talk.  The majority of her sample sizes are pretty small; she also almost exclusively works in Norway except where she occasionally collaborates with researchers from other countries so her findings may not be applicable to people in other countries where risk is viewed differently than it is there.  She has a blog but honestly it’s pretty dry reading, with most of the updates consisting of notifications about papers she’s published, which non-academics can’t access anyway because the actual papers are behind the publishing journal’s paywall.  I also haven’t found any papers criticizing her methodology or her results.  My overall impression is that she is a scholar who has slowly and patiently built up a body of research over the last decade and a half, and she’s interested in being a resource to educators in Norway rather than being a celebrity – all of which is to say that I generally trust her work.

So how do we define risky play?  Dr. Sandseter tried to do exactly this in a 2007 paper, for which she followed 38 children aged 3-5 from two Norwegian preschools and also interviewed the teachers at those schools.  She selected the schools because of the variety of outdoor experiences available to the children in each of them – one of the preschools had a playground had what she calls a “typical” playground with swings, climbing tower, a play hut, switchbacks (she doesn’t say what these are) and a climbing tree.  My first thought was that I’ve never seen swings or a climbing tree in an American preschool playground because these are deemed too dangerous, so this paper is probably gonna be pretty interesting.  The other preschool was situated in a forest and had a typical playground as well as use of part of the forest that was surrounded by fences.  Both groups of students often hiked to nature areas like forests, the seaside, caves, and so on.  Dr. Sandseter observed six kinds of risky play that have since become the standard ways to define risky play – these are: play with great heights, play with high speed, play with harmful tools, play near dangerous elements like deep water, rough-and-tumble play, and play where children can ‘disappear’ or get lost.  I’m going to quote and sometimes summarize some of the parts of the paper that raised my eyebrows on some of these kinds of risky play.

Regarding play from heights, when a group of 4- and 5-year-olds arrive at the beach, one of them sees some cliffs that are 7-10 feet high and says “Wow, I wanna climb up here,” so he does, and his friends follow.  They explore the cliffs, which are steep and slippery; they keep climbing over the cliffs and back into the woods above the cliffs, come down to the beach, and do it over again.  While the teachers did later describe this kind of play as risky, they watched this incident without interfering, from 20-30 feet away – so, too far away to do anything immediately if something bad happened to one of the children.  The children also described climbing to the roof of the climbing tower and jumping off, even though this was forbidden by adults in case they got hurt.  One girl said “Yes, it’s a little bit scary, but it’s great fun – I often land on my bottom, and that hurts a bit – but it’s great fun anyway.”

The ‘play with dangerous tools’ section was particularly interesting – it reads “In both preschools the children were allowed to quite freely use tools that were potentially dangerous – for example, a knife for whittling, a saw for cutting down branches, or a hammer and nails for carpentry.”  Dr. Sanseter took field notes on three instances:

“The fire pit is lighted and the children are gathered around it chipping with a knife each on some wooden branches.  The children use knives freely and seem used to whittling on their own.”

“Alex, aged 4 and Tori, aged 5 have each got a hammer and nails and start nailing some wooden boats.  They have a great independence in their work, and the preschool teacher present seems completely relaxed even though they swing their hammers as they like.  Two younger children aged 2-3 years old also take part, and they get to play as equally independently as the two older children.

“The children participate in building a wooden climbing tower.  They get to use the saws and knives as they like.  One of the boys saws into his hand but is fine after getting a band-aid.  The children also participate in tying the branches together, and then climbing on the construction when it’s built.”

Sometimes the children were observed using an axe, although I was amused to see that the teachers did supervise this activity more closely than the others.  Overall, the teachers thought playing with these tools was somewhat risky, while some of the children agreed but some didn’t, although in a subsequent study Dr. Sandseter observed that the children were there quite closely supervised when playing with all kinds of dangerous tools, that the children tended to concentrate highly when using them, and also talked with each other about the importance of using tools correctly so as not to hurt themselves or others.

What these quotes and anecdotes reveal to me, of course, is not what these Norwegian preschoolers and teachers thought about risk, but the deep gulf between their perception of risk and the perception in a country like the U.S., where a knives, hammers, nails, saws, axes, and especially fire pits would NEVER be allowed within ten yards of preschool-aged children.  While Dr. Sandseter believes that allowing children’s use of dangerous tools in preschool is probably a Scandanavian phenomenon, I have personally seen twenty sets of pruning shears in a basket on the ground under the covered porch of a preschool in Reggio Emilia, Italy – I only saw the children indoors, but I can only assume that since there were enough pairs for a class full of children to use them, and they were sitting out right next to the wellies the children used in wet weather, that a class full of children probably did and do use them.

I’m reminded here of an interview with Professor David Lancy, the anthropologist whose work we refer to often on the show.  He says that parents in most societies don’t intervene when children investigate a sharp knife or stray near the fire.  When ethnographers ask parents why they allow this, the parents’ reply is often “this is how they learn.”  The interviewer asks “Do you think it’s wise to let children play with knives?”, and Lancy responds “I’ve found that there is a trade-off. If parents give their children such freedom, the kids may indeed get hurt, but serious injury is rare in village societies. Children there die most often of malnutrition and illness, not accidents. Meanwhile village children happily take the initiative in learning how to use common tools like knives, setting their own pace and keenly observing those who are more competent. If parents were to play a more active and protective role in their child’s development, the children might be safer from injury, but that sense of autonomy and ability to learn independently would be undermined. The children would cease to take the initiative to learn new things and instead wait for an adult’s permission, guidance, or instruction.”  To me, this says a lot about American society, where parents generally WANT their children to look to them for permission, guidance, and instruction.  We show them how to use toys, rather than letting them figure it out for themselves.  It’s almost as if we can’t fathom that they would manage without us, because we need to feel so central in their lives.

Back to Dr. Sandseter’s paper, the final issue I want to give examples on is play where the children can disappear or get lost – on one field trip a five-year-old says “I’m going to go on a walk all by myself!” and the teacher responds “That’s all right; go ahead!”.  Two other children join the first.  They walk for a short while, then one of them goes back to the group while the other two crawl through some dense bushes and announce to Dr. Sandseter, who has been following them: “Good bye!  We’ll be back at twelve o’clock!”.  While the children thought this kind of play was risky because they might get lost, they did it anyway because of the joyful fear they experienced and the teachers actually did not feel as though it was risky at all and felt in control of the situations.  Again, my mind was boggled – in the U.S., children generally aren’t allowed out of a parent’s or teacher’s eyesight in a fenced area like a playground, and when they are away from these fenced areas the boundaries become even tighter.

At the heart of all this is the idea of risk, and the type and amount and risk that children are willing to take, and that parents are willing to see children take.

While environments can be inherently more or less risky because a hill is more or less steep, and trees can have branches that allow small children to climb up or don’t, but there are <em>individual</em> characteristics associated with risk as well.  Children can choose to climb more or less high up the hill or not; they can choose to ride a tricycle fast or not; they can choose to focus and concentrate while playing or not.  Children make these choices based on the risks they subjectively perceive, and the balance between their abilities and their fears about those abilities moderate their actions.  Studies have found that there are differences between children’s tolerance for risk, a statement which perhaps seems obvious to anyone with more than one child.  Even I can see the difference in risk tolerance between my 3.5YO who thinks that jumping off the next-to-last step is pretty risky and exciting, and her friend of exactly the same age who loves to snowboard and wants to know why he can’t go on a zip line by himself.  A high activity level and a desire to engage in daring behavior are important risk factors for accident proneness and injury incidence, although perhaps the overall rate of injuries does not increase for these children as much as they otherwise might because they, too, understand what their bodies are capable of and use their abilities and fear to regulate their risk-taking behavior.  Children do tend to overestimate their physical abilities; one study that wasn’t done by Dr. Sandseter observed the link between extroversion, impulsiveness, daring, and carelessness, implying that there is a link between temperamental characteristics and childhood accidents.  The study also found that children who watched a video of another child doing four physical tasks taking a toy off a high shelf and moving under a wooden bar resting on two posts without knocking the bar off or putting their hands or knees on the floor were more conservative in judging their own abilities when the child in the video failed, rather than when the child in the video succeeded.  This implies that children get a lot of information about whether they can do something from whether their friends can do it, although this ability overestimation was more of an issue for six-year-old males and temperamental characteristics were more at play for 8-year-olds.  The study was pretty tiny – only 32 children, so it would be good to see if the findings were replicated with a larger number of]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/riskyplay]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1996</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7ec0bf02-fbfc-4138-a49c-c1c9be44aca2/risky-play.mp3" length="47180969" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:46</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We should protect our children from risks, right?  Isn’t that our job as parents?
This episode comes mid-way in an extended series on the importance of play for children.  The https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/ (first episode in the series) was an interview with Dr. Stuart Brown of the National Institute for Play on the value of play, both for children and for adults.  Then we followed with a look at the research on https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/ (the benefits of outdoor play), followed by an https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/ (interview with Dr. Scott Sampson) who wrote the book How to Raise a Wild Child, which had tons of practical advice for getting kids outside more, as well as getting outside more with your kids.
Today we move on to the topic of risky play.  We’ll define it, and discuss its benefits and drawbacks, as well as things we as parents can do to encourage more risky play if we decide we want to do that.
Because it turns out that insulating our children from risk may not be such a good thing after all.

 
Other episodes referenced in this show
https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/ (What is the value of play?)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/ (The benefits of outdoor play)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild/ (How to Raise a Wild Child)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/freetolearn/ (Free to Learn)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/grit/ (Grit)
 
References
Brackett-Milburn, K., and Harden, J. (2004). How children and their families construct and negotiate risk, safety, and danger. Childhood 11(4), 429-447.
Brussoni, M., Brunelle, S., Pike, I., Sandseter, E.B.H., Herrington, S., Turner, H., Belair, S., Logan, L., Fuselli, P., and Ball, D.J. (2015). Can child injury prevention include healthy risk promotion? Injury Prevention 21, 344-347.
Brussoni, M., Ishikawa, T., Brunelle, S., and Herrington, S. (2017). Landscapes for play: Effects of an intervention to promote nature-based risky play in early childhood centres. Journal of Environmental Psychology 54, 139-150.
Christensen, P., and Mikkelsen, M.R. (2008). Jumping off and being careful: Children’s strategies of risk management in everyday life. Sociology of Health and Illness 30(1), 112-130.
Hill, A., and Bundy, A.C. (2012). Reliability and validity of a new instrument to measure tolerance of everyday risk for children. Child: Care, Health, and Development 40(1), 68-76.
Leviton, M. (2016, February). The kids are all right: David Lancy questions our assumptions about parenting. The Sun. Retrieved from https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/482/the-kids-are-all-right (https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/482/the-kids-are-all-right)
Little, H., Wyver, S., and Gibson, F. (2011). The influence of play context and adult attitudes on young children’s physical risk-taking during outdoor play. European Early Childhood Education Research Journal 19(1), 113-131.
Niehues, A.N., Bundy, A., Broom, A., Tranter, P., Ragen, J., and Engelen, L. (2013). Everyday uncertainties: Reframing perceptions of risk in outdoor free play. Journal of Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning 13(3), 223-237.
Norton, C., Nixon, J., and Sibert, J.R. (2004). Playground injuries to children. Archives of Disease in Childhood 89(2), 103-108.
Plumert, J.M., and Schwebel, D.C. (1997). Social and temperamental influences on children’s overestimation of their physical abilities: Links to accidental injuries. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 67, 317-337.
Poultona, R., Menziesb, R.G., Craskec, M.G., Langleyd, J.D., and Silvaa, P.Aa. (1999). Water trauma and swimming experiences up to age 9 and fear of water at age 18: A longitudinal study. Behavior Research and Therapy 37(1), 39-48.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</title><itunes:title>061: Can Growth Mindset live up to the hype?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Growth mindset is <em>everywhere</em> these days.  Dr. Carol Dweck’s research showing that a growth mindset can help children to overcome academic struggles is being incorporated to curriculum planning across the U.S. and in many other countries, and school districts in California are even using it to evaluate schools’ performance.  I get ads popping up in my Facebook feed every day for a journal that helps children to develop a growth mindset, and judging from the comments those folks selling the journal are doing very nicely for themselves.

Which means that the science underlying the idea of growth mindset must be rock solid, right?

Well, perhaps you might be surprised (or not, if you’re a regular listener) to know that this actually isn’t the case.  The main study on which the entire growth mindset theory is based has never been replicated, which is the gold standard for considering whether an effect that was found in a study is really real.  And a variety of subsequent studies supporting the findings of the original one were either so tiny as to be not useful or failed to find any relevant effect (although in some cases they went on to report their findings as if they did…).

We’ll tease all this out in the episode, and will discuss whether growth mindset is something worth fostering in your child.

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<strong>Other shows mentioned in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfesteem/">Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/">Do you punish your child with rewards?</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Adams, J.M. (2014, May 5). Measuring a ‘growth mindset in a new school accountability system. Edsource. Retrieved from https://edsource.org/2014/measuring-a-growth-mindset-in-a-new-school-accountability-system/63557

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Bandura, A. (1981). Self-referent thought: A developmental analysis of self-efficacy. In J.H. Flavell &amp; L. Ross (Eds.), <em>Social cognitive development: Frontiers and possible futures.</em> Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.

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Baumeister, R.F., Campbell, J.D., Krueger, J.I., &amp; Vohs, K.D. (2003). Does high self-esteem cause better performance, interpersonal success, happiness, or healthier lifestyles? <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest 4</em>(1), 1-44.

<hr />

Boykin, A.W., Albury, A., Tyler, K.M., Hurley, E.A., Bailey, C.T., &amp; Miller, O.A. (2005). Culture-based perceptions of academic achievement among low-income elementary students. <em>Cultural Diversity and Ethnic Minority Psychology 11</em>, 339-50.

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Briggs, D.C. (1970). <em>Your child’s self-esteem</em>. Garden City, NY: Doubleday.

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Brown, N. (2017, January 14). In which science actually self-corrects, for once. Retrieved from http://steamtraen.blogspot.fr/2017/01/in-which-science-actually-self-corrects.html

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Burnette, J.L., VanEpps, E.M., O’Boyle, E.H., Pollack, J.M., &amp; Finkel, E.J. (2013). Mind-sets matter: A meta-analytic review of implicit theories and self-regulation. <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(3), 655-701.

<hr />

Chivers, T. (2017, January 14). A mindset “revolution” sweeping Britain’s classes may be based on shaky science. BuzzFeed. Retrieved from https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/what-is-your-mindset?utm_term=.oo0Razv2n#.ht5JOoZv9

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Cimpian, A., Mu, Y., &amp; Erickson, L.C. (2012). Who is good at this game? Linking an activity to a social category undermines children’s achievement. <em>Psychological Science 23</em>(5), 533-541.

<hr />

Claro, S., Paunesku, D., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2016). Growth mindset tempers the effects of poverty on academic mindset. <em>PNAS 113</em>(31), 8664-8668.

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Diener, C.I., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (1978). An analysis of learned helplessness: Continuous changes in performance, strategy, and achievement cognitions following failure. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 36</em>(5), 451-462. Full article available at http://slatestarcodex.com/Stuff/dw1978_achievement.pdf

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Duckworth, A.L., &amp; Seligman, M.E.P. (2005). Self-discipline outdoes IQ in predicting academic performance of adolescents. <em>Psychological Science 16</em>, 939-944.

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Dweck, C.S., Walton, G.M., &amp; Cohen, G.L. (2014). Academic tenacity: Mindsets and skills that promote long-term learning. Bill &amp; Melinda Gates Foundation. Full report available at https://ed.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/manual/dweck-walton-cohen-2014.pdf

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Dweck, C.S., &amp; Reppucci, N.D. (1973). Learned helplessness and reinforcement responsibility in children. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 25</em>(1), 109-116. Full article available at http://slatestarcodex.com/Stuff/dweck73_reinforcement.pdf

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Dweck, C.S. (1975). The role of expectations and attributions in the alleviation of learned helplessness. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 31</em>(4), 674-685. Full article available at http://slatestarcodex.com/Stuff/dw1975_attributions.pdf

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Educuation Week (2016). Mindset in the classroom: A national study of K-12 teachers. Author. Retrieved from https://www.edweek.org/media/ewrc_mindsetintheclassroom_sept2016.pdf

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Edwards, B. (1989). Drawing on the right side of the brain. New York, NY: Tarcher. (Note: The Amazon reviews say the 1989 edition is better than the more recent editions…)

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Gunderson, E.A., Gripshover, S.J., Romero, C., Dweck, C.S., Goldin-Meadow, S., &amp; Levine, S.C. (2013). Parent praise to 1- to 3-year-olds predicts children’s motivational frameworks 5 years later. <em>Child Development 84</em>(5), 1526-1541.

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Haimovitz, K., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2016). Parents’ views of failure predict children’s fixed and growth intelligence mind-sets. <em>Psychological Science 27</em>, 859-869.

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Lazowski, R.A., &amp; Hulleman, C.S. (2016). Motivation intentions in education: A meta-analytic review.<em> Review of Educational Research 86</em>(2), 602-640.

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Li, Yue, &amp; Bates, T.C. (n.d.). Does growth mindset improve children’s IQ, educational attainment or response to setbacks? Active-control interventions and data on children’s own mindsets. Retrieved from https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/tsdwy/download?format=pdf

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Mueller, C.M., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (1996, April). Implicit theories of intelligence; relation of parental beliefs to children’s expectations. Poster session presented at Head Start’s Third National Research Conference, Washington, D.C.

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Noddings, N. (2005). <em>The challenge to care in schools: An alternative approach to education</em> (2<sup>nd</sup>Ed.). New York, NY: Teachers College Press.

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Paunesku, D., Walton, G.M., Romero, C., Smith, E.N., Yeager, D.S., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2015). Mind-set interventions are a scalable treatment for academic underachievement. <em>Psychological Science 26</em>(6), 784-793.

<hr />

Pomerantz, E.M., &amp; Kempner, S.G. (2013). Mothers’ daily person and process praise: Implications for children’s theory of intelligence and motivation. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(11), 2040-2046.

<hr />

Schmidt, J.A., Shumow, L., &amp; Kackar-Cam, H.Z. (2017). Does mindset intervention predict students’ daily experience in classrooms? A comparison of seventh and ninth graders’ trajectories.<em> Journal of Youth and Adolescence 46</em>, 582-602.

<hr />

Schmidt, J.A., Shumow, L., &amp; Kackar-Cam, H.K. (2015). Exploring teacher effects for mindset intervention outcomes in seventh grade science classes. <em>Middle Grades Research Journal 10</em>(2), 17-32.

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Strauss, V. (2014, August 21). For first time, minority students expected to be majority in U.S. public schools this fall. Washington Post. Retrieved from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/08/21/for-first-time-minority-students-expected-to-be-majority-in-u-s-public-schools-this-fall/?utm_term=.6d829f242036

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U.S. Department of Education (2016). The state of racial diversity in the educator workforce. Author. Retrieved from https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/eval/highered/racial-diversity/state-racial-diversity-workforce.pdf

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Wentzel, K.R. (1997). Student motivation in middle school: The role of perceived pedagogical caring. <em>Journal of Educational Psychology 89</em>(3), 411-419.

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Wright, C.F. (2017). Teacher stress and curriculum reform: An illustrative example with the “Growth Mindset” movement. Unpublished Master’s Dissertation, The University of Texas at Austin. Retrieved from https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/handle/2152/62456

<hr />

Yeager, D.S., Mueller, C., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (n.d.). Revisiting descriptive statistics from Mueller &amp; Dweck (1998). Unpublished manuscript. Retrieved from https://osf.io/sh353/

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Yeager, D.S., Paunesku, D., Walton, G.M., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2013, June 10). How can we instill productive mindsets at scale? A review of the evidence and an initial R&amp;D agenda. Unpublished white paper prepared for the White House meeting on Excellence in Education: The Importance of Academic Mindsets. Retrieved from https://labs.la.utexas.edu/adrg/files/2013/12/Yeager-et-al-RD-agenda-6-10-131.pdf

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Today we’re going to talk about Professor Carol Dweck’s work on Mindset.  We’ll walk through overview of what Mindset is and the study on which it is based, and then we’ll spend quite a bit of time evaluating the research to...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Growth mindset is <em>everywhere</em> these days.  Dr. Carol Dweck’s research showing that a growth mindset can help children to overcome academic struggles is being incorporated to curriculum planning across the U.S. and in many other countries, and school districts in California are even using it to evaluate schools’ performance.  I get ads popping up in my Facebook feed every day for a journal that helps children to develop a growth mindset, and judging from the comments those folks selling the journal are doing very nicely for themselves.

Which means that the science underlying the idea of growth mindset must be rock solid, right?

Well, perhaps you might be surprised (or not, if you’re a regular listener) to know that this actually isn’t the case.  The main study on which the entire growth mindset theory is based has never been replicated, which is the gold standard for considering whether an effect that was found in a study is really real.  And a variety of subsequent studies supporting the findings of the original one were either so tiny as to be not useful or failed to find any relevant effect (although in some cases they went on to report their findings as if they did…).

We’ll tease all this out in the episode, and will discuss whether growth mindset is something worth fostering in your child.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other shows mentioned in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfesteem/">Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/">Do you punish your child with rewards?</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Adams, J.M. (2014, May 5). Measuring a ‘growth mindset in a new school accountability system. Edsource. Retrieved from https://edsource.org/2014/measuring-a-growth-mindset-in-a-new-school-accountability-system/63557

<hr />

Bandura, A. (1981). Self-referent thought: A developmental analysis of self-efficacy. In J.H. Flavell &amp; L. Ross (Eds.), <em>Social cognitive development: Frontiers and possible futures.</em> Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Baumeister, R.F., Campbell, J.D., Krueger, J.I., &amp; Vohs, K.D. (2003). Does high self-esteem cause better performance, interpersonal success, happiness, or healthier lifestyles? <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest 4</em>(1), 1-44.

<hr />

Boykin, A.W., Albury, A., Tyler, K.M., Hurley, E.A., Bailey, C.T., &amp; Miller, O.A. (2005). Culture-based perceptions of academic achievement among low-income elementary students. <em>Cultural Diversity and Ethnic Minority Psychology 11</em>, 339-50.

<hr />

Briggs, D.C. (1970). <em>Your child’s self-esteem</em>. Garden City, NY: Doubleday.

<hr />

Brown, N. (2017, January 14). In which science actually self-corrects, for once. Retrieved from http://steamtraen.blogspot.fr/2017/01/in-which-science-actually-self-corrects.html

<hr />

Burnette, J.L., VanEpps, E.M., O’Boyle, E.H., Pollack, J.M., &amp; Finkel, E.J. (2013). Mind-sets matter: A meta-analytic review of implicit theories and self-regulation. <em>Psychological Bulletin 139</em>(3), 655-701.

<hr />

Chivers, T. (2017, January 14). A mindset “revolution” sweeping Britain’s classes may be based on shaky science. BuzzFeed. Retrieved from https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/what-is-your-mindset?utm_term=.oo0Razv2n#.ht5JOoZv9

<hr />

Cimpian, A., Mu, Y., &amp; Erickson, L.C. (2012). Who is good at this game? Linking an activity to a social category undermines children’s achievement. <em>Psychological Science 23</em>(5), 533-541.

<hr />

Claro, S., Paunesku, D., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2016). Growth mindset tempers the effects of poverty on academic mindset. <em>PNAS 113</em>(31), 8664-8668.

<hr />

Diener, C.I., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (1978). An analysis of learned helplessness: Continuous changes in performance, strategy, and achievement cognitions following failure. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 36</em>(5), 451-462. Full article available at http://slatestarcodex.com/Stuff/dw1978_achievement.pdf

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L., &amp; Seligman, M.E.P. (2005). Self-discipline outdoes IQ in predicting academic performance of adolescents. <em>Psychological Science 16</em>, 939-944.

<hr />

Dweck, C.S., Walton, G.M., &amp; Cohen, G.L. (2014). Academic tenacity: Mindsets and skills that promote long-term learning. Bill &amp; Melinda Gates Foundation. Full report available at https://ed.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/manual/dweck-walton-cohen-2014.pdf

<hr />

Dweck, C.S., &amp; Reppucci, N.D. (1973). Learned helplessness and reinforcement responsibility in children. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 25</em>(1), 109-116. Full article available at http://slatestarcodex.com/Stuff/dweck73_reinforcement.pdf

<hr />

Dweck, C.S. (1975). The role of expectations and attributions in the alleviation of learned helplessness. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 31</em>(4), 674-685. Full article available at http://slatestarcodex.com/Stuff/dw1975_attributions.pdf

<hr />

Educuation Week (2016). Mindset in the classroom: A national study of K-12 teachers. Author. Retrieved from https://www.edweek.org/media/ewrc_mindsetintheclassroom_sept2016.pdf

<hr />

Edwards, B. (1989). Drawing on the right side of the brain. New York, NY: Tarcher. (Note: The Amazon reviews say the 1989 edition is better than the more recent editions…)

<hr />

Gunderson, E.A., Gripshover, S.J., Romero, C., Dweck, C.S., Goldin-Meadow, S., &amp; Levine, S.C. (2013). Parent praise to 1- to 3-year-olds predicts children’s motivational frameworks 5 years later. <em>Child Development 84</em>(5), 1526-1541.

<hr />

Haimovitz, K., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2016). Parents’ views of failure predict children’s fixed and growth intelligence mind-sets. <em>Psychological Science 27</em>, 859-869.

<hr />

Lazowski, R.A., &amp; Hulleman, C.S. (2016). Motivation intentions in education: A meta-analytic review.<em> Review of Educational Research 86</em>(2), 602-640.

<hr />

Li, Yue, &amp; Bates, T.C. (n.d.). Does growth mindset improve children’s IQ, educational attainment or response to setbacks? Active-control interventions and data on children’s own mindsets. Retrieved from https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/tsdwy/download?format=pdf

<hr />

Mueller, C.M., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (1996, April). Implicit theories of intelligence; relation of parental beliefs to children’s expectations. Poster session presented at Head Start’s Third National Research Conference, Washington, D.C.

<hr />

Noddings, N. (2005). <em>The challenge to care in schools: An alternative approach to education</em> (2<sup>nd</sup>Ed.). New York, NY: Teachers College Press.

<hr />

Paunesku, D., Walton, G.M., Romero, C., Smith, E.N., Yeager, D.S., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2015). Mind-set interventions are a scalable treatment for academic underachievement. <em>Psychological Science 26</em>(6), 784-793.

<hr />

Pomerantz, E.M., &amp; Kempner, S.G. (2013). Mothers’ daily person and process praise: Implications for children’s theory of intelligence and motivation. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(11), 2040-2046.

<hr />

Schmidt, J.A., Shumow, L., &amp; Kackar-Cam, H.Z. (2017). Does mindset intervention predict students’ daily experience in classrooms? A comparison of seventh and ninth graders’ trajectories.<em> Journal of Youth and Adolescence 46</em>, 582-602.

<hr />

Schmidt, J.A., Shumow, L., &amp; Kackar-Cam, H.K. (2015). Exploring teacher effects for mindset intervention outcomes in seventh grade science classes. <em>Middle Grades Research Journal 10</em>(2), 17-32.

<hr />

Strauss, V. (2014, August 21). For first time, minority students expected to be majority in U.S. public schools this fall. Washington Post. Retrieved from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/08/21/for-first-time-minority-students-expected-to-be-majority-in-u-s-public-schools-this-fall/?utm_term=.6d829f242036

<hr />

U.S. Department of Education (2016). The state of racial diversity in the educator workforce. Author. Retrieved from https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/eval/highered/racial-diversity/state-racial-diversity-workforce.pdf

<hr />

Wentzel, K.R. (1997). Student motivation in middle school: The role of perceived pedagogical caring. <em>Journal of Educational Psychology 89</em>(3), 411-419.

<hr />

Wright, C.F. (2017). Teacher stress and curriculum reform: An illustrative example with the “Growth Mindset” movement. Unpublished Master’s Dissertation, The University of Texas at Austin. Retrieved from https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/handle/2152/62456

<hr />

Yeager, D.S., Mueller, C., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (n.d.). Revisiting descriptive statistics from Mueller &amp; Dweck (1998). Unpublished manuscript. Retrieved from https://osf.io/sh353/

<hr />

Yeager, D.S., Paunesku, D., Walton, G.M., &amp; Dweck, C.S. (2013, June 10). How can we instill productive mindsets at scale? A review of the evidence and an initial R&amp;D agenda. Unpublished white paper prepared for the White House meeting on Excellence in Education: The Importance of Academic Mindsets. Retrieved from https://labs.la.utexas.edu/adrg/files/2013/12/Yeager-et-al-RD-agenda-6-10-131.pdf

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Today we’re going to talk about Professor Carol Dweck’s work on Mindset.  We’ll walk through overview of what Mindset is and the study on which it is based, and then we’ll spend quite a bit of time evaluating the research to help us understand whether the effect that Professor Dweck describes is real and if it is, what implications it has for our children and students.

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The topic of Mindset has been on my mind (as it were) as an episode topic for a while but I’m in the final throes of creating content for my course on how parents can support children’s learning in school, and one of the topics I wanted to address there was related to mindset, so I figured I’d kill two birds with one stone and cover it here too.  Professor Dweck began her research as a graduate student in the ‘70s so this idea has been around for a while now and I was once told that you’d have to have been living under a rock to not have heard of it (although I confess that I hadn’t until not long before that), but I’ll describe the theory anyway in case you haven’t heard of it.

Psychologists have been studying motivation for a long time, and especially motivation to learn, and there are a variety of different theories on what does motivate people to learn. Research on mindsets work traces a line back to the famous psychologist Albert Bandura’s theory of self-efficacy, which is about how people think about what they can achieve.  Self-efficacy theory says that people evaluate their perceptions of their ability at a task, the difficulty of the task, how much effort it will take to complete, the amount of help that might be needed, situational circumstances, and whether or not they have succeeded or failed in the past when they determine how much effort they are going to put into a task in front of them.

The research specifically on mindset stems from a paper published in 1998 by Professor Dweck and Professor Claudia Mueller, who were both then at Columbia University, on what motivates children to learn after they have experienced success or failure.  The professors conducted a series of six short studies on 128 fifth-graders, half of whom were mostly White and attended elementary school in a small mid-western town, and half of whom were from two racially diverse schools in a large northeastern city (and I will give them kudos for testing their work on a racially diverse sample rather than testing on middle-class White children and assuming the results are applicable to all children).  The professors wanted to find out whether children who were praised for being intelligent or for demonstrating effort and hard work would react differently to success or failure on a series of abstract verbal reasoning tasks taken from a standardized test.

In the first test, children were asked to choose between “problems that aren’t too hard, so I don’t get many wrong,” “problems that are pretty easy, so I’ll do well,” “problems that I’m pretty good at, so I can show I’m smart,” and “problems that I’ll learn a lot from, even if I won’t look so smart.”  This was to test what type of problems the students preferred, but they were told they would only get to work on their choice problems if there was time after they worked on pre-selected problems, so they each had the same expectations about the difficulty of what they were about to do.  After four minutes of working on problems the experimenter scored their solutions and no matter what score they achieved, they were told they had solved 80% of the problems, which was a really high score, and were told either “you must be smart at these problems” or “you must have worked hard at these problems,” or a control group received no additional feedback.  Then the children were asked again if they wanted to work on easy problems so they would look smart or difficult problems where they would learn more, but all children really received a difficult set of problems and after four minutes of work they were told they had only solved about half of them correctly.  After receiving the negative feedback they were asked how much they wanted to keep working on the problems, how much they enjoyed the work, how well they thought they had done, and why they thought they hadn’t done well on the second set.  Then they worked for four minutes on a final set of moderately difficult problems to test how well they performed after the failure on the second set.

The results showed that children who were praised for their intelligence after the first problem set considered their smartness to be significantly more important to their performance than children who were praised for their effort.  67% of the children who were told they were smart then went on to choose easier problems that they would get right so they could continue to seem smart, while 92% of those who received feedback about how much effort they had put in chose to work on difficult problems that they would learn from.  Children who were praised for their effort as well as children in the control condition were more likely to say that they hadn’t done well on the second set of problems because they hadn’t put in enough effort, while children who were praised for intelligence after their initial success attributed more of their failure to a lack of abililty.  Children who were praised for intelligence were less likely to want to keep working on problems than the effort or control groups, enjoyed working on the problems less than the other groups, and actually got one more problem wrong in the third set than the first, even though their familiarity with the problems should have led them to achieve higher scores by then.  Children in the control group only achieved an average of a tenth of a problem improvement in the third set, which children in the effort group got almost 1 ¼ more problems right on average.  So all this is to say that praise for intelligence doesn’t seem to teach children that they are smart, but rather teaches them that when they fail, they can’t change their performance because it’s due to an inherent ability rather than something they can change, like effort.

So all of that was the first of the six experiments reported in this paper; the subsequent five elaborated on various aspects of the first one.  In the second study, children who were told they succeeded on a first set of problems and then immediately given a chance to choose what type of problems to work on next; the ones praised for intelligence still picked the easy problems, indicating that the effect holds true in success and in failure.  In the third study, children who were praised for their ability elected to read information about the performance of others after their second set of ‘failure’ problems, while 75% of the children who were told they must have worked hard chose to read information that might help them solve problems more effectively in the future.  In the fourth study, after doing problems children were asked to rate how true is the statement “You have a certain amount of intelligence and really can’t do much to change it,” and were then offered a folder containing information about the performance of other children or information on strategies to solve problems.  Children who were praised for intelligence were almost twice as likely to rate intelligence as being fixed than children praised for effort; the control group fell in between.  And it was the children who are most concerned with their performance who were most likely to handicap themselves by sacrificing an opportunity to gain information about problem-solving strategies that might have benefitted them.  Studies 5 and 6 attempted to eliminate two alternate explanations for the findings; that the experimentor’s perceptions of their abilities impacted their performance, and that the children praised for intelligence might have thought the second difficult set or problems represented an intelligence test, while the children praised for effort would not.  Both outcomes supported the original study’s results.

I want to take a short detour here and give us a bit of historical context, because it turns out that this study was published at a very interesting point in our development of theories about how children learn.  You might remember that we did an episode a while ago on self-esteem, which was all the rage in the starting in the early 1970s.  A book called Your Child’s Self-Esteem that is actually still in print today advocated for increasing children’s beliefs that they “have the capacity” to succeed and that this will “turn on their go-power” and “help motivate them to learn.”  It can take a while for psychological trends to catch on but in 1990 the State of California released a report stating that low self-esteem is linked to a variety of negative outcomes like poor academic results, drug and alcohol abuse, crime and violence, poverty, and chronic welfare dependency – and as a result, schools began doing everything they could to boost students’ self-esteem.  By 1996, when Professors Mueller and Dweck surveyed parents about what they thought about children’s perceptions of their ability and motivation to succeed, 85% of respondents thought that praising a child’s ability and intelligence when they perform well on a test is necessary to make them feel they are smart.

The pendulum began to swing the other way in 2003 when Professor Roy Baumeister and his colleagues published an immense 44-page meta-analysis of the research on self-esteem, which called into question all of the findings of the California Task Force Report and found little evidence that self-esteem causes the host of positive outcomes it is commonly believe to cause, and secondly that parents tend to praise children with low self-esteem even more than children with high self-esteem, and that this praise would lead the children with low self-esteem to choose easier drawing tasks just like the children who were told they were intelligent chose easier tasks in Professor Dweck’s test.  So self-esteem went out of favor right around the time when Professor Dweck’s work was ramping up, and Mindset theory was poised to take over the baton of the next parenting]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/growthmindset]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1998</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:11:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/07d46d07-579d-4b4a-9758-eba302c2984b/mindset.mp3" length="43432617" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Growth mindset is everywhere these days.  Dr. Carol Dweck’s research showing that a growth mindset can help children to overcome academic struggles is being incorporated to curriculum planning across the U.S. and in many other countries, and school districts in California are even using it to evaluate schools’ performance.  I get ads popping up in my Facebook feed every day for a journal that helps children to develop a growth mindset, and judging from the comments those folks selling the journal are doing very nicely for themselves.
Which means that the science underlying the idea of growth mindset must be rock solid, right?
Well, perhaps you might be surprised (or not, if you’re a regular listener) to know that this actually isn’t the case.  The main study on which the entire growth mindset theory is based has never been replicated, which is the gold standard for considering whether an effect that was found in a study is really real.  And a variety of subsequent studies supporting the findings of the original one were either so tiny as to be not useful or failed to find any relevant effect (although in some cases they went on to report their findings as if they did…).
We’ll tease all this out in the episode, and will discuss whether growth mindset is something worth fostering in your child.

 
Other shows mentioned in this episode
https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfesteem/ (Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/ (Do you punish your child with rewards?)
 
References
Adams, J.M. (2014, May 5). Measuring a ‘growth mindset in a new school accountability system. Edsource. Retrieved from https://edsource.org/2014/measuring-a-growth-mindset-in-a-new-school-accountability-system/63557
Bandura, A. (1981). Self-referent thought: A developmental analysis of self-efficacy. In J.H. Flavell and L. Ross (Eds.), Social cognitive development: Frontiers and possible futures. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.
Baumeister, R.F., Campbell, J.D., Krueger, J.I., and Vohs, K.D. (2003). Does high self-esteem cause better performance, interpersonal success, happiness, or healthier lifestyles? Psychological Science in the Public Interest 4(1), 1-44.
Boykin, A.W., Albury, A., Tyler, K.M., Hurley, E.A., Bailey, C.T., and Miller, O.A. (2005). Culture-based perceptions of academic achievement among low-income elementary students. Cultural Diversity and Ethnic Minority Psychology 11, 339-50.
Briggs, D.C. (1970). Your child’s self-esteem. Garden City, NY: Doubleday.
Brown, N. (2017, January 14). In which science actually self-corrects, for once. Retrieved from http://steamtraen.blogspot.fr/2017/01/in-which-science-actually-self-corrects.html
Burnette, J.L., VanEpps, E.M., O’Boyle, E.H., Pollack, J.M., and Finkel, E.J. (2013). Mind-sets matter: A meta-analytic review of implicit theories and self-regulation. Psychological Bulletin 139(3), 655-701.
Chivers, T. (2017, January 14). A mindset “revolution” sweeping Britain’s classes may be based on shaky science. BuzzFeed. Retrieved from https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/what-is-your-mindset?utm_term=.oo0Razv2n#.ht5JOoZv9
Cimpian, A., Mu, Y., and Erickson, L.C. (2012). Who is good at this game? Linking an activity to a social category undermines children’s achievement. Psychological Science 23(5), 533-541.
Claro, S., Paunesku, D., and Dweck, C.S. (2016). Growth mindset tempers the effects of poverty on academic mindset. PNAS 113(31), 8664-8668.
Diener, C.I., and Dweck, C.S. (1978). An analysis of learned helplessness: Continuous changes in performance, strategy, and achievement cognitions following failure. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 36(5), 451-462.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>060: What do children learn from reading books?</title><itunes:title>060: What do children learn from reading books?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We’ve done a couple of episodes on reading by now; episode 3 (which seems so long ago!) asked <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">whether you might have missed the boat on teaching your toddler to read</a>.  Of course, we know that you’ve only missed the boat on that if you think that sitting your child in front of a video so they can recite the words they see without really understanding them counts as “reading.”

Much more recently in episode 48 we talked with Dr. Laura Froyen about <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">the benefits of shared reading</a> with your child and how to do that according to best practices from the research literature.

Those of you who subscribe to my newsletter will recall that I’ve been working on an episode on storytelling for <em>months</em> now.  Part of the reason it’s taking so long is that books on storytelling technique say to use original stories wherever possible because the language in them is so much richer, but if you’ve ever read something like an original fairytale you know they can be pretty gory, and even the most harmless ones actually contain some pretty adult themes if you read between the lines.

So I wanted to know: what do children really learn from stories?  How do they figure out that we want them to learn morals from stories but not that animal characters walk on two legs and wear clothes?  How do they generalize that knowledge to the real world?  And are there specific types of books that promote learning?

Join me in a conversation with Dr. Deena Weisberg of The University of Pennsylvania as she helps us to help our children learn through reading!

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<strong>Other shows mentioned in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">003: Did you miss the boat on teaching your child how to read?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/becomingbrilliant/">010: Becoming Brilliant</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">048: The benefits of shared reading</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Cheung, C.S., Monroy, J.A., &amp; Delany, D.E. (2017). Learning-related values in young children’s storybooks: An investigation in the United States, China, and Mexico. <em>Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 48</em>(4), 532-541.

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Ganea, P.A., Ma, L., &amp; DeLoache, J.S. (2011). Young children’s learning and transfer of biological information from picture books to real animals. <em>Child Development 82</em>(5), 1421-1433.

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Heath, S.B. (1982). What no bedtime story means: Narrative skills at home and school. <em>Language in Society 11</em>(1), 49-76.

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Hopkins, E.J., &amp; Weisberg, D.S. (2017). The youngest readers’ dilemma: A review of children’s learning from fictional sources. <em>Developmental Review 43,</em> 48-70.

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Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Mullins, A.D. (2013). Evaluating the effect of educational media exposure on aggression in early childhood. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 34</em>, 38-44.

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Read, K., Macauley, M., &amp; Furay, E. (2014). The Seuss boost: Rhyme helps children retain words from shared storybook reading. <em>First Language 34</em>(4), 354-371.

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.4">[00:38]</a></u>

Hi, this is Jen. Before we start on today’s episode, I just wanted to take a minute to let you know that as part of my research for this episode on what children learn through reading fictional books, I ended up looking at a lot of different kinds of books for children aged roughly between toddlerhood and elementary school, and I compiled them into a list of more than 100 books that you can use to support your children’s learning on a host of subjects related to math, science, empathy, being persistent in the face of failure, multicultural issues, and many other topics as well. If you already subscribed to the show and my website, then you actually already got the list with your newsletter from last week. Unfortunately, subscribing through itunes or other platforms doesn’t count because I don’t get any information from them on how to reach you, so if you don’t already subscribe or if you’re subscribed through another platform, then head on over to YourParentingMojo.com forward slash reading books and sign up on that page and then the report will be emailed right to you. Thanks again for listening and enjoy the interview with Dr Deena Weisberg.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.43">[01:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We’ve done a couple episodes on reading by now. Episode three, which seems so long ago, was one where we asked whether you might have missed the boat on teaching your toddler to read. Of course, we know you’ve only missed the boat on that if you think that sitting your child in front of a video so they can recite the words they see without really understanding them counts as reading much more recently in episode 48, we talked with Dr Laura Frye and about the benefits of shared reading with your child and how to do that according to best practices from the research literature I’ve mentioned to those of you who subscribe to my newsletter that I had been working on an episode related to storytelling for a while as in telling stories without books and also making up stories, but I realized I needed a bridge from where we’ve been to where we want to go.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.67">[02:23]</a></u>

I wanted to know more about what children learn from the stories we read to them, and boy, do we have someone who can help us with that today. We’re here with Dr. Deena Weisberg, a senior fellow in the Department of Psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. Dr Weisberg earned her PhD in Psychology from Yale University and in her postdoc work at Rutgers University and also at Temple with Dr Roberta Golinkoff, with whom we spoke in episode 10 on her book becoming brilliant when I started researching what children learn from reading, I found an absolutely epic paper that Dr Weisberg co-authored with five pages of references in tiny text that describes and how children learn from reading fiction, so I knew we’d found the right person to speak with us. She’s also the parent of a five year old and an 18 month old, and has gamely agreed to talk with us today even though her nanny called in sick, so she’s in the thick of this parenting thing with us as well. Welcome Dr Weisberg.

Dr. Weisberg:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.57">[03:15]</a></u>

Thank you so much, Jen. It’s really a pleasure to be here and talk with you this afternoon.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.52">[03:19]</a></u>

So it wasn’t until I started reading your paper that I realized what a really weird and strange thing it is that we ask of children. We read fiction to them and particularly fiction with some kind of message that we want them to internalize. And in your paper, you give the example of, I hope I’m saying this correctly, the Berenstain Bears visit to the dentist, which we assume is designed to help young children understand and get comfortable with what happens when they go to the dentist, but somehow we don’t want the children to retain the ideas that were bears wear clothes, live in houses, and speak like people. So how do children sort out these ideas when we read these stories or do they fully sort them out?

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.84">[03:57]</a></u>

It’s a really interesting set of questions. And the first thing I want to point out is that it’s not just children that have this problem. So one of the things that fascinates me about this area of research is that this is something that we all do from very little children way on up to us grown people have the same problem. It’s called the reader’s dilemma is what you just described. It’s the idea of how do you sort out which parts of a fictional story need to remain nearly fictional within that fictional world in which parts of the story can fruitfully be applied to the real world. So I just want to start by pointing out that that’s not a problem that goes away. So it is a problem that we get…well in some cases we get better at solving. There’s some very famous cases and people making these sorts of confusions right up through adulthood that I enjoy talking about.

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.42">[04:44]</a></u>

But in terms of children, there are really two main ways that children learn how to sort through this readers dilemma. One is that they use their existing...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We’ve done a couple of episodes on reading by now; episode 3 (which seems so long ago!) asked <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">whether you might have missed the boat on teaching your toddler to read</a>.  Of course, we know that you’ve only missed the boat on that if you think that sitting your child in front of a video so they can recite the words they see without really understanding them counts as “reading.”

Much more recently in episode 48 we talked with Dr. Laura Froyen about <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">the benefits of shared reading</a> with your child and how to do that according to best practices from the research literature.

Those of you who subscribe to my newsletter will recall that I’ve been working on an episode on storytelling for <em>months</em> now.  Part of the reason it’s taking so long is that books on storytelling technique say to use original stories wherever possible because the language in them is so much richer, but if you’ve ever read something like an original fairytale you know they can be pretty gory, and even the most harmless ones actually contain some pretty adult themes if you read between the lines.

So I wanted to know: what do children really learn from stories?  How do they figure out that we want them to learn morals from stories but not that animal characters walk on two legs and wear clothes?  How do they generalize that knowledge to the real world?  And are there specific types of books that promote learning?

Join me in a conversation with Dr. Deena Weisberg of The University of Pennsylvania as she helps us to help our children learn through reading!

&nbsp;

<strong>Other shows mentioned in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/">003: Did you miss the boat on teaching your child how to read?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/becomingbrilliant/">010: Becoming Brilliant</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/">048: The benefits of shared reading</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Cheung, C.S., Monroy, J.A., &amp; Delany, D.E. (2017). Learning-related values in young children’s storybooks: An investigation in the United States, China, and Mexico. <em>Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 48</em>(4), 532-541.

<hr />

Ganea, P.A., Ma, L., &amp; DeLoache, J.S. (2011). Young children’s learning and transfer of biological information from picture books to real animals. <em>Child Development 82</em>(5), 1421-1433.

<hr />

Heath, S.B. (1982). What no bedtime story means: Narrative skills at home and school. <em>Language in Society 11</em>(1), 49-76.

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Hopkins, E.J., &amp; Weisberg, D.S. (2017). The youngest readers’ dilemma: A review of children’s learning from fictional sources. <em>Developmental Review 43,</em> 48-70.

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Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Mullins, A.D. (2013). Evaluating the effect of educational media exposure on aggression in early childhood. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 34</em>, 38-44.

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Read, K., Macauley, M., &amp; Furay, E. (2014). The Seuss boost: Rhyme helps children retain words from shared storybook reading. <em>First Language 34</em>(4), 354-371.

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Hi, this is Jen. Before we start on today’s episode, I just wanted to take a minute to let you know that as part of my research for this episode on what children learn through reading fictional books, I ended up looking at a lot of different kinds of books for children aged roughly between toddlerhood and elementary school, and I compiled them into a list of more than 100 books that you can use to support your children’s learning on a host of subjects related to math, science, empathy, being persistent in the face of failure, multicultural issues, and many other topics as well. If you already subscribed to the show and my website, then you actually already got the list with your newsletter from last week. Unfortunately, subscribing through itunes or other platforms doesn’t count because I don’t get any information from them on how to reach you, so if you don’t already subscribe or if you’re subscribed through another platform, then head on over to YourParentingMojo.com forward slash reading books and sign up on that page and then the report will be emailed right to you. Thanks again for listening and enjoy the interview with Dr Deena Weisberg.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.43">[01:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We’ve done a couple episodes on reading by now. Episode three, which seems so long ago, was one where we asked whether you might have missed the boat on teaching your toddler to read. Of course, we know you’ve only missed the boat on that if you think that sitting your child in front of a video so they can recite the words they see without really understanding them counts as reading much more recently in episode 48, we talked with Dr Laura Frye and about the benefits of shared reading with your child and how to do that according to best practices from the research literature I’ve mentioned to those of you who subscribe to my newsletter that I had been working on an episode related to storytelling for a while as in telling stories without books and also making up stories, but I realized I needed a bridge from where we’ve been to where we want to go.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.67">[02:23]</a></u>

I wanted to know more about what children learn from the stories we read to them, and boy, do we have someone who can help us with that today. We’re here with Dr. Deena Weisberg, a senior fellow in the Department of Psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. Dr Weisberg earned her PhD in Psychology from Yale University and in her postdoc work at Rutgers University and also at Temple with Dr Roberta Golinkoff, with whom we spoke in episode 10 on her book becoming brilliant when I started researching what children learn from reading, I found an absolutely epic paper that Dr Weisberg co-authored with five pages of references in tiny text that describes and how children learn from reading fiction, so I knew we’d found the right person to speak with us. She’s also the parent of a five year old and an 18 month old, and has gamely agreed to talk with us today even though her nanny called in sick, so she’s in the thick of this parenting thing with us as well. Welcome Dr Weisberg.

Dr. Weisberg:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.57">[03:15]</a></u>

Thank you so much, Jen. It’s really a pleasure to be here and talk with you this afternoon.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.52">[03:19]</a></u>

So it wasn’t until I started reading your paper that I realized what a really weird and strange thing it is that we ask of children. We read fiction to them and particularly fiction with some kind of message that we want them to internalize. And in your paper, you give the example of, I hope I’m saying this correctly, the Berenstain Bears visit to the dentist, which we assume is designed to help young children understand and get comfortable with what happens when they go to the dentist, but somehow we don’t want the children to retain the ideas that were bears wear clothes, live in houses, and speak like people. So how do children sort out these ideas when we read these stories or do they fully sort them out?

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.84">[03:57]</a></u>

It’s a really interesting set of questions. And the first thing I want to point out is that it’s not just children that have this problem. So one of the things that fascinates me about this area of research is that this is something that we all do from very little children way on up to us grown people have the same problem. It’s called the reader’s dilemma is what you just described. It’s the idea of how do you sort out which parts of a fictional story need to remain nearly fictional within that fictional world in which parts of the story can fruitfully be applied to the real world. So I just want to start by pointing out that that’s not a problem that goes away. So it is a problem that we get…well in some cases we get better at solving. There’s some very famous cases and people making these sorts of confusions right up through adulthood that I enjoy talking about.

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.42">[04:44]</a></u>

But in terms of children, there are really two main ways that children learn how to sort through this readers dilemma. One is that they use their existing background knowledge. So if you have a book where a character does something that they already know to be impossible, like blip out of existence in one place and suddenly reappear somewhere else, you know by some people would say even in infancy, but certainly by three, four or five years old, they know that that’s not something that can really happen. And so they’re pretty good at figuring out that those sorts of events should remain just in the fictional story. Now the problem with that method of sorting things out of course, is that their background knowledge is not as rich or deep or accurate as adults background knowledge. So that is where some confusion’s can sometimes creep in or they can start doubting a little bit their background knowledge if something is presented very vividly in a story, but that’s the first method and usually for the most part it works pretty well and also again the method that we tend to use as adults. You know, we sort of check it against your background knowledge. Does that pass the smell test? Is that something that seems like it happened in reality, you know? Okay, I’ll let that through. And then the second method is that they rely on the adults around them like they do for so many things. So often it’s the responsibility of parents, teachers or older siblings or other trusted adults to sort things out for kids in those cases where, I don’t want to say that they get entirely confused, but where they might start having doubts based on what they’re reading or seeing in a video.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=373.34">[06:13]</a></u>

Okay. So a couple things there. Firstly, you’ve tantalized us so effectively with those stories of how adults experience the readers dilemma. Can you give us one or two of those fabulous examples?

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=380.73">[06:20]</a></u>

Yeah, absolutely. One of my favorite examples is from The Da Vinci Code; when that book was published, it’s now a number of years ago, so I’m not sure if your readers will remember, but the point of The Da Vinci Code is that the hero and heroine are on the search for the Holy Grail and there are some clues left in the text that the holy grail is located in this particular church in Scotland and the New York Times sent a reporter to this particular church and the staff, there reported this spike in visitor ship, that there are people who would go there having read the book and they would come there seriously reporting that they were looking for the Holy Grail. Now this is a little bit different than, Oh, you know, I heard about this interesting place in a book. Let me go see it in real life because it really does exist.

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.94">[07:05]</a></u>

You know, they said there certainly was that and they got a bit of fame from the book and they saw some tourism increased because of just the mention of the place. But there were also people that the staff reported engaging with were very, very seriously engaged in the process of hunting for the grail based on the clues in this fictional book, you know, and that’s fairly extreme, right? You know, so these are mostly American tourists. This was a report from the Times as I said, so you have to go through some considerable time and expense to hunt for something on the basis of, you know, what on the cover it stated very clearly that this was a novel. So that’s one of the more famous cases from recent years. This is also something that happens a lot with actors and actresses. So you know, you watch a movie or an actor or actress will play a similar role a few times and people start thinking that that’s what that person is like in real life.

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=481">[08:01]</a></u>

And I’m not saying that’s always false. That might be the case, but there are lots of famous cases like in the sixties, I believe one of the first medical dramas that was shown on TV Dr Marcus Welby md when the actor reported that he just got tons of mail asking him medical questions, you know, they thought that, well he might know something about medicine because he plays one on TV, which is ludicrous if you think about it, but again, it points out this really interesting continuity between what children are doing and the ways that they’re sorting things out and what adults are doing.

Jen:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=511.82">[08:31]</a></u>

Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. As you were explaining about The Da Vinci Code, I was thinking the church in Scotland should have had the Monty Python and the Holy Grail video playing on repeat once they got there….

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=520.76">[08:40]</a></u>

Oh, that would have been brilliant. No – it’s not here. Wrong castle. And then we’ll just arrest everybody. And then stop.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=527.38">[08:47]</a></u>

Yeah, right then and there. Okay. Well cool. Thank you for that. That makes a lot of sense. So you said that there are two ways that children start to sort this out for themselves. The first is experience and it makes a lot of sense to me if they’ve never had the experience of walking through a wall, they sort of assume that nobody can walk through walls, which I guess is a reasonable way of thinking about the world. And the second thing you said is that they look to their parents to help sort this out, but I’m just thinking about the dentist thing. I might read that…I haven’t read the book, but I might read it to my daughter to explain what the dentist is like, but I wouldn’t necessarily go ahead and say. But you know, bears don’t really wear clothes and live in houses and I’m not sure she would ask me, “Mama do bears were clothes?” Because she’s never seen a bear. She has no experience with that. So how do they make that leap and how to parents help that process or, or it seems like I’m not helping that process.

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=574.47">[09:34]</a></u>

Well, on the one hand I would say to you and to your listeners, this is not something to worry about.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=579.6">[09:39]</a></u>

Yeah. No, I’m not worried. I’m just curious.

Dr. Weisberg: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=582.26">[09:42]</a></u>

So you know, kids don’t get to the age of 10 or 12 and still harbors sort of deep confusion about bears living in houses because again, the two processes are still at work, right? So your daughter might not have seen a bear, you know, live and in person, but she’s seen lots of animals. She probably knows kind of what a bear is from pictures and generally knows that they don’t tend to speak like humans or they’ve seen dogs even if you don’t have a pet at home or you’ve seen them out on the street and so you have enough experience with nonhuman animals I should say, to know that they don’t speak like we do or live in houses or wear clothes. So there is some of that prior knowledge that’s able to kick in there. And also on the converse, yes, it’s true that you’re not necessarily telling your child explicitly, okay, in this story, the bears live in houses, but they don’t really live in houses.

Dr. Weisberg:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=628.39">[10:28]</a></u>

But what you are doing is you’re emphasizing the message that you do want her to get from that story. So by the very things that you are saying and are not saying, so the things that you are emphasizing as opposed to things you’re not emphasizing, will send the message what’s important in this story for her to take out. And I know a lot of parents do that sort of thing. They’ll pick up books like this or you know, books on having a younger sibling for instance, and spend a lot of time talking about the theme from that book that you feel is really important for your child. And so they’ll learn that that’s the direction in which they should take their interpretation of the book based on your emphasis.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/vwxGJ9uUOvgdAcKWD0DI2CnG9bzo4GtfMXiFxuBK0LskuqDrvtpfHHSn-rwDXklYxp7GZojb2f-IPIDUG6uWWx9FibA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=662.19">[11:02]</a></u>

Okay, got it. Yeah. And so, so often in parenting it seems we find that by focusing on one thing, we sort of automatically don’t focus on something else and that that focus of attention is a very powerful tool and signal to our children.

Dr. Weisberg:  <u><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/readingbooks]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1991</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:03:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/43b3e0e3-322c-41eb-b8fa-e5d06c0d249d/deena-weisberg.mp3" length="65409791" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We’ve done a couple of episodes on reading by now; episode 3 (which seems so long ago!) asked https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/ (whether you might have missed the boat on teaching your toddler to read).  Of course, we know that you’ve only missed the boat on that if you think that sitting your child in front of a video so they can recite the words they see without really understanding them counts as “reading.”
Much more recently in episode 48 we talked with Dr. Laura Froyen about https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/ (the benefits of shared reading) with your child and how to do that according to best practices from the research literature.
Those of you who subscribe to my newsletter will recall that I’ve been working on an episode on storytelling for months now.  Part of the reason it’s taking so long is that books on storytelling technique say to use original stories wherever possible because the language in them is so much richer, but if you’ve ever read something like an original fairytale you know they can be pretty gory, and even the most harmless ones actually contain some pretty adult themes if you read between the lines.
So I wanted to know: what do children really learn from stories?  How do they figure out that we want them to learn morals from stories but not that animal characters walk on two legs and wear clothes?  How do they generalize that knowledge to the real world?  And are there specific types of books that promote learning?
Join me in a conversation with Dr. Deena Weisberg of The University of Pennsylvania as she helps us to help our children learn through reading!

Other shows mentioned in this episode
https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/ (003: Did you miss the boat on teaching your child how to read?)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/becomingbrilliant/ (010: Becoming Brilliant)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading/ (048: The benefits of shared reading)
 
References
Cheung, C.S., Monroy, J.A., and Delany, D.E. (2017). Learning-related values in young children’s storybooks: An investigation in the United States, China, and Mexico. Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 48(4), 532-541.
Ganea, P.A., Ma, L., and DeLoache, J.S. (2011). Young children’s learning and transfer of biological information from picture books to real animals. Child Development 82(5), 1421-1433.
Heath, S.B. (1982). What no bedtime story means: Narrative skills at home and school. Language in Society 11(1), 49-76.
Hopkins, E.J., and Weisberg, D.S. (2017). The youngest readers’ dilemma: A review of children’s learning from fictional sources. Developmental Review 43, 48-70.
Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., and Mullins, A.D. (2013). Evaluating the effect of educational media exposure on aggression in early childhood. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 34, 38-44.
Read, K., Macauley, M., and Furay, E. (2014). The Seuss boost: Rhyme helps children retain words from shared storybook reading. First Language 34(4), 354-371.
 
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There are a number of books out there on getting outside with children – some arguably more well-known than this one, but I have to say that Dr. Scott Sampson’s book How to Raise a Wild Child is the BEST book I’ve seen on this topic because it balances just the right amount of information on <em>why</em> it’s important to get outside, with just enough pointers on <em>how</em> to do it, without overwhelming you with hundreds of options to choose between.  And it turns out that you don’t need to know a thing at all about The Environment to have a successful outing with children!

If you’ve been wishing you could get outdoors more but just don’t know where to start, then this episode – and book! – are for you.

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<strong>Other shows referenced in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">058: What are the benefits of outdoor play?</a>

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<strong>Dr. Scott Sampson's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3tTKV7y">How to raise a wild child</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Gopnik, A. (2009). The philosophical baby: What children’s minds tell us about truth, love, and the meaning of life. New York, NY: Picador.

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Sampson, S.D. (2015). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FBT6xT">How to raise a wild child: The art and science of falling in love with nature.</a> Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. (Affiliate link)

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Young, J., Haas, E., &amp; McGown, E. (2010). Coyote’s guide to connecting with nature. OWLink Media.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.61">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. For those of you who get my fortnightly newsletter, which you can receive by subscribing to the show YourParentingMojo.com, you know that I have a bit of a penchant for the outdoors. I went on a 10 day backpacking trip across North Cascades National Park in September, and I’m trying to pass on my love of the outdoors to my daughter, most of our newsletters have a photo at the top and pretty often they go out with an image of her sitting in a stream or clambering over boulders or up to her thighs and a pond wearing waders, of course. And so today we’re going to talk with Dr Scott Sampson, the author of how to raise a wild child, the art and science of falling in love with nature, which I have to say is the best book I’ve read on this topic in terms of balancing information about the science of children in nature with a not overwhelming number of actions that parents can take to raise a wild child. Dr Sampson has the honor of being the first paleontologist we’ve interviewed on this show. He earned both his master’s in anthropology and a phd in zoology from the University of Toronto. He’s currently the president and CEO of Science World British Columbia, which is a pretty cool hands on science museum in Vancouver. And if his name sounds familiar to the parents of preschoolers, it’s because he also hosts the PBS kids series dinosaur train. I’m so excited to discuss this topic that’s so close to my heart. Welcome Dr Sampson.

Dr. Sampson:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.38">[01:56]</a></u>

Thank you very much, Jen. Nice to be honest.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.4">[01:58]</a></u>

All right, so let’s start with the science. You and your book site a raft of studies describing the really profound shift in children’s leisure time. That’s happened over the last 50 years or so. Can you briefly, if possible, summarize 50 years worth of literature and why does it matter that our children don’t spend as much time outside now as they used to?

Dr. Sampson:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.21">[02:18]</a></u>

Oh, let’s start with the first question and then we’ll go to the second one on the reason why this is important, so I wrote How to Raise a Wild Child because after doing a lot of thinking and research and talking with people, it just became clear to me that there was this dire need to reconnect kids with nature that over a single generation we’d gone from basically a free range childhood to an indoor migration that has limited children’s ability to be outside and the end result of this has been a health crisis for children and the places that they live. That one US surgeon general said not so long ago that this generation of children could be the first to have a life expectancy is shorter than that of their parents. We have these runaway conditions, obesity, attention deficit disorder, diabetes, depression, even conditions like Myopia and not only is the incidents of these conditions increasing, but they’re moving earlier and earlier into childhood and so that’s the health of children and then when you think about sustainability and moving towards, you know, a thriving green future, the reality is why would we ever become sustainable if we don’t care about where we live and why would we care if we never spend any time outside. A screen looks the same in Vancouver or Miami or Timbuktu as anywhere else.

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.43">[03:42]</a></u>

So we have this need to reconnect kids with nature and bringing back these childhoods that had a lot of green time instead of just the screen time that we’re getting today. So that is the why. Then going to the science – in reading about this, I was struck that this nature connection was this pressing issue. So I said, well, “where’s the research on this?” It turns out there’s a lot. Most of it is actually over the past 15 years since this has become a real issue, sort of 15 to 20, but there is a lot of scientific literature and it’s growing every week, but as I looked around I saw that there was no general audience book that had put this information together and summarized it for parents and teachers and other caregivers. So that’s what I attempted to do with How to Raise a Wild Child.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.79">[04:34]</a></u>

Yeah, and it was really that balance of what does the research say plus the practicality that spoke to me in the books very well. We’ll get more to the practicality in a minute, but I want to touch on something that you mentioned there about people caring about where they live and I had been doing a lot of thinking as I’m doing a masters in education at the moment and in the course of doing that, I’ve been thinking about place-based learning and the idea that you couldn’t really care about a place where you spend time outside if you do engage in outdoor-based activities and it was just thinking about things like the decline of rural towns where people move away from them because they don’t have any job opportunities there because the children are told they have to go to college to be successful and so they move away and then they don’t want to come back. And you know, there aren’t any companies there with viable jobs. And so I realized this is a bit off topic here, but what I realized is that really having this connection to a place can be an enormous factor in saving these small towns. The idea that getting to know a place intimately and learning about it both in school and in life, do you see that same connection?

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=340.03">[05:40]</a></u>

I absolutely do, and you hit on a topic about which I am deeply passionate. In fact, I’ve begun work on a book about place based learning and so I think that it is one of the major directions and education to move in that right now, the primary model of education – of course there’s a great diversity of education types out there, but the primary model, that sort of industrial model of education is really all about standardization. It’s about standardized testing. It’s about everybody being evaluated across the board in the same way and when you think about that, it’s the antithesis of place-based education and it makes sense that place based education would struggle to gain a foothold within a system like this because everything that’s taught in school works against a specific knowledge of place, and it’s all about knowing these general things that you can regurgitate on a test and yes, there’s a lot of evidence to back up the fact that learning real, true engaged learning, is best when it is hands on.

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[So you listened to episode 58 and you’re convinced of the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">benefits of outdoor play</a>. But you’re a grown-up. You don’t play outdoors. And you don’t know anything about <em>nature</em>.  How can you possibly get started in helping your child to play outdoors more?

There are a number of books out there on getting outside with children – some arguably more well-known than this one, but I have to say that Dr. Scott Sampson’s book How to Raise a Wild Child is the BEST book I’ve seen on this topic because it balances just the right amount of information on <em>why</em> it’s important to get outside, with just enough pointers on <em>how</em> to do it, without overwhelming you with hundreds of options to choose between.  And it turns out that you don’t need to know a thing at all about The Environment to have a successful outing with children!

If you’ve been wishing you could get outdoors more but just don’t know where to start, then this episode – and book! – are for you.

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<strong>Other shows referenced in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/">058: What are the benefits of outdoor play?</a>

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<strong>Dr. Scott Sampson's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3tTKV7y">How to raise a wild child</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Gopnik, A. (2009). The philosophical baby: What children’s minds tell us about truth, love, and the meaning of life. New York, NY: Picador.

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Sampson, S.D. (2015). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FBT6xT">How to raise a wild child: The art and science of falling in love with nature.</a> Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. (Affiliate link)

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Young, J., Haas, E., &amp; McGown, E. (2010). Coyote’s guide to connecting with nature. OWLink Media.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.61">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. For those of you who get my fortnightly newsletter, which you can receive by subscribing to the show YourParentingMojo.com, you know that I have a bit of a penchant for the outdoors. I went on a 10 day backpacking trip across North Cascades National Park in September, and I’m trying to pass on my love of the outdoors to my daughter, most of our newsletters have a photo at the top and pretty often they go out with an image of her sitting in a stream or clambering over boulders or up to her thighs and a pond wearing waders, of course. And so today we’re going to talk with Dr Scott Sampson, the author of how to raise a wild child, the art and science of falling in love with nature, which I have to say is the best book I’ve read on this topic in terms of balancing information about the science of children in nature with a not overwhelming number of actions that parents can take to raise a wild child. Dr Sampson has the honor of being the first paleontologist we’ve interviewed on this show. He earned both his master’s in anthropology and a phd in zoology from the University of Toronto. He’s currently the president and CEO of Science World British Columbia, which is a pretty cool hands on science museum in Vancouver. And if his name sounds familiar to the parents of preschoolers, it’s because he also hosts the PBS kids series dinosaur train. I’m so excited to discuss this topic that’s so close to my heart. Welcome Dr Sampson.

Dr. Sampson:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.38">[01:56]</a></u>

Thank you very much, Jen. Nice to be honest.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.4">[01:58]</a></u>

All right, so let’s start with the science. You and your book site a raft of studies describing the really profound shift in children’s leisure time. That’s happened over the last 50 years or so. Can you briefly, if possible, summarize 50 years worth of literature and why does it matter that our children don’t spend as much time outside now as they used to?

Dr. Sampson:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.21">[02:18]</a></u>

Oh, let’s start with the first question and then we’ll go to the second one on the reason why this is important, so I wrote How to Raise a Wild Child because after doing a lot of thinking and research and talking with people, it just became clear to me that there was this dire need to reconnect kids with nature that over a single generation we’d gone from basically a free range childhood to an indoor migration that has limited children’s ability to be outside and the end result of this has been a health crisis for children and the places that they live. That one US surgeon general said not so long ago that this generation of children could be the first to have a life expectancy is shorter than that of their parents. We have these runaway conditions, obesity, attention deficit disorder, diabetes, depression, even conditions like Myopia and not only is the incidents of these conditions increasing, but they’re moving earlier and earlier into childhood and so that’s the health of children and then when you think about sustainability and moving towards, you know, a thriving green future, the reality is why would we ever become sustainable if we don’t care about where we live and why would we care if we never spend any time outside. A screen looks the same in Vancouver or Miami or Timbuktu as anywhere else.

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.43">[03:42]</a></u>

So we have this need to reconnect kids with nature and bringing back these childhoods that had a lot of green time instead of just the screen time that we’re getting today. So that is the why. Then going to the science – in reading about this, I was struck that this nature connection was this pressing issue. So I said, well, “where’s the research on this?” It turns out there’s a lot. Most of it is actually over the past 15 years since this has become a real issue, sort of 15 to 20, but there is a lot of scientific literature and it’s growing every week, but as I looked around I saw that there was no general audience book that had put this information together and summarized it for parents and teachers and other caregivers. So that’s what I attempted to do with How to Raise a Wild Child.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.79">[04:34]</a></u>

Yeah, and it was really that balance of what does the research say plus the practicality that spoke to me in the books very well. We’ll get more to the practicality in a minute, but I want to touch on something that you mentioned there about people caring about where they live and I had been doing a lot of thinking as I’m doing a masters in education at the moment and in the course of doing that, I’ve been thinking about place-based learning and the idea that you couldn’t really care about a place where you spend time outside if you do engage in outdoor-based activities and it was just thinking about things like the decline of rural towns where people move away from them because they don’t have any job opportunities there because the children are told they have to go to college to be successful and so they move away and then they don’t want to come back. And you know, there aren’t any companies there with viable jobs. And so I realized this is a bit off topic here, but what I realized is that really having this connection to a place can be an enormous factor in saving these small towns. The idea that getting to know a place intimately and learning about it both in school and in life, do you see that same connection?

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=340.03">[05:40]</a></u>

I absolutely do, and you hit on a topic about which I am deeply passionate. In fact, I’ve begun work on a book about place based learning and so I think that it is one of the major directions and education to move in that right now, the primary model of education – of course there’s a great diversity of education types out there, but the primary model, that sort of industrial model of education is really all about standardization. It’s about standardized testing. It’s about everybody being evaluated across the board in the same way and when you think about that, it’s the antithesis of place-based education and it makes sense that place based education would struggle to gain a foothold within a system like this because everything that’s taught in school works against a specific knowledge of place, and it’s all about knowing these general things that you can regurgitate on a test and yes, there’s a lot of evidence to back up the fact that learning real, true engaged learning, is best when it is hands on.

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.93">[06:50]</a></u>

This experiential and the place that we have these experiences is where we live. So right now the average kid leaves school at the end of the day and they don’t see anything that they’ve learned in the environment that they spend most of their lives in. Whether it’s science or art or social studies or you name it. They don’t really see that in place because they’re learning these topics from textbooks. They’re learning about how these topics affect faraway places, not their own place. So the notion of place-based education. People like David Sobel have really documented and written about the potential power of this kind of learning to deeply engage children and in particular, I think for me it comes down almost to one word and that word is wonder. All children are born with this deep sense of wonder and all you have to do is watch a baby crawling around to get it, but all children have this and by the time they’re six, most kids still have it intact, but by the time they get to be about 11 or 12 for many children, that sense of wonder is diminished and in some cases virtually gone and certainly by the teen years, learning is kind of a drag and that sense of wonder just isn’t there for the most part, at least when it comes to education.

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=492.44">[08:12]</a></u>

So our challenge as as educators and communicators of knowledge is to foster – kindle, that sense of wonder and then keep it kindled, keep it burning. And if we do that, then we’ve given children this gift because they’ll want to learn the rest of their lives.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.07">[08:29]</a></u>

Yeah. You’re reminding me of something that Professor Alison Gopnik talks about, which is how children’s attention is like a lantern and it illuminates everything around them, which is why they find this great sense of wonder and they’re also so easily distracted, but adults’ attention is more like a spotlight that shines on one thing at a time, which is why we can engage in goal directed behavior that children struggle with and in your book you argue that lantern attention isn’t just a stage that children have to get through before they come these sophisticated spotlights, but actually lantern attention is really valuable in and of itself and the adults would do well to try it too. Can you tell us some more about that?

Dr. Sampson:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=550.25">[09:10]</a></u>

Sure; I think we have come to weight that spotlight of attention and see that as critical because that’s what we use to read or look at screens or focus on any one thing, but that kind of lantern attention was critical for the vast majority of the 200 to 300,000 years that humans have been around. If you’re a hunter gatherer and you’re out somewhere hunting or trying to not be hunted yourself, you had better have that lantern attention on where you are aware of your surroundings, you know, how to open your senses and take the world and we have lost that to a great extent at our children are losing it too and so it’s the whole notion of almost relearning how to hear, how to feel, how to sense the environment around you and we all know that being outside has a different impact on us emotionally and on our sensory abilities, but we have to develop those skills over time and our brains, as you well know, are very malleable when we’re babies, but we tend to lay down pathways based on our experience and if our experience has only looking at screens then those are the types of things that will be laid down our brains and we won’t have those abilities, those sensory, those lantern like abilities and it turns out that those are critical for even relaxation and just general health and there’s lots of, you know, kids aside for the moment. There’s lots of scientific evidence that being outside in nature is critical for adult health as well. The Japanese, you know this very well, they have something called “shinrin-roku,” where they send employees out to these amazing forests to do something which translates as forest bathing, which is a wonderful concept and the employers do it because the health of their employees increases if they do this and therefore they’re not spending as much on healthcare for their employees. So it is something that children and adults absolutely need.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=669.65">[11:09]</a></u>

And so what is it that people do in nature that makes this so beneficial to us? Is it, can we just walk around and not think about anything and get a benefit or do we have to think, oh wow, this is amazingly beautiful. Or do we notice specific things or what kind of processes are going on in the brain when we do this?

Dr. Sampson:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=687.51">[11:27]</a></u>

Oh, of course. What happens in the brain is very specific to individuals and mostly dependent on their experience. I’ve been to a tropical rain forest in Madagascar, and I’ve been with somebody who is from that area, born and raised looking for Lemurs and I’ve spent half a day looking for lemurs and found nothing and this person can take me out and in 10 minutes we’re looking at lemurs and it’s because he knows that place. He hears things, he can see signals and signs, so his experience allows him to understand and interact with that place in ways that I can’t even begin to understand. So what we do know is that our bodies, our heart rate slows down, our blood pressure drops when we’re outside, we breathe in these things, particularly in the forest it appears, that make us healthier, that allow us to focus better, to concentrate for longer, to regenerate ourselves. All of this, and it turns out that kids to have some of these effects and more that they’re more likely to play longer, to fight less, to collaborate more when they’re playing outside, especially in a nature based setting than in other kinds of indoor settings or even in standard metal and plastic playgrounds.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=772.02">[12:52]</a></u>

Yeah, you reminded me a lot of Jon Young’s fabulous book Coyotes Guide to Connecting with Nature and I think that was a big inspiration for you as well and one of the key take homes from that book is the idea of developing a sit spot. And so I think a sit spot is a place where you go and you just sit and observe and I have to say I haven’t tried it yet because our garden is an absolute disaster and pretty much all I hear from the inside is Steller’s Jays and I see the hummingbirds and our hummingbird feeder out the window and I’m assuming I’m going to hear and see if those same things when I go out there. So I’m wondering, and I guess this sort of goes to the larger issue of I live in a city and a lot of people live in cities and is there something that people who live in cities can do to kind of cultivate this mindful awareness of nature, even though our experience and what we see might not be as pure as the forest bathers’?

Dr. Sampson:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=828.93">[13:48]</a></u>

Absolutely. Nature is everywhere. Including in cities, including in underserved communities, although it is often less common there and therefore more difficult to find and there’s things we can do about that and I’m happy to chat about that too, but to address your question, Jon Young’s notion of sit spot is a powerful one because it is actually a discipline that you can use to help reconnect with where you live and I have done this off and on for years. I have done it in urban settings and found it to be powerful and the notion is really simple. You just go and you sit outside for a minimum of he suggests 15 to 20 minutes and it will take usually a few minutes for the place to settle down and for the birds to sort of get active again because whether we know it or not, the birds are always watching us. They’re always watching everything that’s going on because their lives depend on it.

Dr. Sampson:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CcufTAn40AG7-jXFnxZhL0_pKUbnGS9nd1A3IhtMc6sC61UyPRgl8Xs9tO6sk7LiGCXfvPe68ozDGa66mzwy8nxcrYs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=885">[14:45]</a></u>

When we walk outside, we’re not worried about being attacked. Birds have to worry about this all the time. It appears that they’re flying around randomly, but birds don’t do anything randomly or if they do, they don’t last very long and so when they sing and they have multiple different calls and Jon Young encourages us to get to know the different calls of different species. After a while you will get to know the individual birds that live around your backyard because it turns out, of course most of these birds have territories and so you’re interacting with the same birds all the time and trust me, they know the individual cats in the neighborhood too because those cats are the biggest and most common predators on]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/wildchild]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1928</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3b8ebd67-3fea-4efe-91f5-2ed6b1eea4e8/scott-sampson2.mp3" length="43392305" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>So you listened to episode 58 and you’re convinced of the https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/ (benefits of outdoor play). But you’re a grown-up. You don’t play outdoors. And you don’t know anything about nature.  How can you possibly get started in helping your child to play outdoors more?
There are a number of books out there on getting outside with children – some arguably more well-known than this one, but I have to say that Dr. Scott Sampson’s book How to Raise a Wild Child is the BEST book I’ve seen on this topic because it balances just the right amount of information on why it’s important to get outside, with just enough pointers on how to do it, without overwhelming you with hundreds of options to choose between.  And it turns out that you don’t need to know a thing at all about The Environment to have a successful outing with children!
If you’ve been wishing you could get outdoors more but just don’t know where to start, then this episode – and book! – are for you.

Other shows referenced in this episode
https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor/ (058: What are the benefits of outdoor play?)
 
References
Gopnik, A. (2009). The philosophical baby: What children’s minds tell us about truth, love, and the meaning of life. New York, NY: Picador.
Sampson, S.D. (2015). http://amzn.to/2FBT6xT (How to raise a wild child: The art and science of falling in love with nature.) Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. (Affiliate link)
Young, J., Haas, E., and McGown, E. (2010). Coyote’s guide to connecting with nature. OWLink Media.
 
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This episode also tees up our conversation, which will be an interview with Dr. Scott Sampson on his book How To Raise A Wild Child, which gives TONS of practical suggestions for getting outdoors with children.

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<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">How to scaffold children’s learning to help them succeed</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reggio/">Is a Reggio Emilia-inspired preschool right for my child?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/screen-time/">Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/digital-world/">Raising your child in a digital world</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Anderson, L. W. and Krathwohl, D. R., et al (Eds..) (2001) <em>A Taxonomy for Learning, Teaching, and Assessing: A Revision of Bloom’s Taxonomy of Educational Objectives</em>. Allyn &amp; Bacon. Boston, MA: Pearson Education Group

<hr />

Berman, M.G., Jonides, J., &amp; Kaplan, S. (2008). The cognitive benefits of interacting with nature. <em>Psychological Science 19</em>(12), 1207-1212.

<hr />

Brussoni, M., Rebecca, G., Gray, C., Ishikawa, T., &amp; Sandseter, E.B.H. (2015). What is the relationship between risky outdoor play and health in children? A systematic review. <em>International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 12</em>(6), 6243-6454.

<hr />

Centers for Disease Control and Prvention (2016). Playground safety. Author. Retrieved from https://www.cdc.gov/safechild/playground/index.html

<hr />

Capaldi, C.A., Dopko, R.L., &amp; Zelenski, J.M. (2014). The relationship between nature connectedness and happiness: A meta-analysis. <em>Frontiers in Psychology 5</em>, 1-15.

<hr />

Gregory, A. (2017, May 18). Running free in Germany’s outdoor preschools. The New York Times. Retrieved from https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/t-magazine/germany-forest-kindergarten-outdoor-preschool-waldkitas.html?_r=0

<hr />

Hung, W. (2013). Problem-based learning: A learning environment for enhancing learning transfer. <em>New Directions for Adult and Continuing Education 137</em>(31), 27-38. doi 10.1002/ace.20042

<hr />

Lund, H.H., Klitbo, T., &amp; Jessen, C. (2005). Playware technology for physically activating play. <em>Artificial Life and Robotics 9</em>(4), 165-174.

<hr />

Mawson, W.B. (2014). Experiencing the ‘wild woods’: The impact of pedagogy on children’s experience of a natural environment. <em>European Early Childhood Education Research Journal 22</em>(4), 513-524.

<hr />

Moss, S. (2012). <em>Natural Childhood</em>. London: The National Trust.

<hr />

Nash, R. (1982). <em>Wilderness and the American Mind</em> (3<sup>rd</sup> Ed.). New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.

<hr />

Natural Playgrounds Company (2017). Website. Retrieved from http://www.naturalplaygrounds.com/

<hr />

Outdoor Foundation (2017). Outdoor Participation Report. Author. Retrieved from https://outdoorindustry.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017-Outdoor-Recreation-Participation-Report_FINAL.pdf

<hr />

Otto, S., &amp; Pensini, P. (2017). Nature-based environmental education of children: Environmental knowledge and connectness to nature, together, are related to ecological behavior.<em> Global Environmental Change 47</em>, 88-94.

<hr />

Potvin, P., &amp; Hasni, A. (2014). Interest, motivation, and attitude towards science and technology at K-12 levels: A systematic review of 12 years of educational research. <em>Studies in Science Education 50</em>(1), 85-129.

<hr />

Richardson, M., Cormack, A., McRobert, L., &amp; Underhill, R. (2016). 30 days wild: Development and evaluation of a large-scale nature engagement campaign to improve well-being. <em>PLOS ONE 11</em>(2), 1-13.

<hr />

Roisin, H. (2014, April). The overprotected kid. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/04/hey-parents-leave-those-kids-alone/358631/

<hr />

Scott, J. (2000, July 15). When child’s play is too simple; Experts criticize safety-conscious recreation as boring. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/15/arts/when-child-s-play-too-simple-experts-criticize-safety-conscious-recreation.html

<hr />

Sloan, C. (2013). Transforming multicultural classrooms through creative place-based learning. <em>Multicultural Education 21</em>(1), 26-32. Retreived from https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1045830.pdf

<hr />

Ulset, V., Vitaro, F., Brengden, M., Bekkhus, M., &amp; Borge, A.I.H. (2017). Time spent outdoors during preschool: Links with children’s cognitive and behavioral development. <em>Journal of Environmental Psychology 52</em>, 69-70.

<hr />

Waite, S., Rogers, S., &amp; Evans, J. (2013). Freedom, flow, and fairness: Exploring how children develop socially at school through outdoor play. <em>Journal of Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning 13</em>(3), 255-276.

<hr />

Waller, T., Arlemalm-Hager, E., Sandseter, E.B.H., Lee-Hammond, L., Lekies, K., &amp; Wyver, S. (2017). <em>The SAGE handbook of outdoor play and learning.</em> Thousand Oaks, CA: SAGE.

<hr />

Williams, F. (2017). <em>The nature fix.</em> New York, NY: WW Norton.

<hr />

Wyver, S. (2017). Outdoor play and cognitive development. In T. Waller, E. Arlemalm-Hagster, E.B. Hansen Sandseter, L. Lee-Hammond, K.S. Lekies, and S. Wyer (Eds.), <em>The SAGE handbook of outdoor play and learning.</em> Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage.

<hr />

Young, J., McGown, E., &amp; Haas, E. (2010). <em>Coyote’s guide to connecting with nature.</em> Owlink Media.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We’re part-way through a series of as-yet undetermined length on play at the moment.  We kicked off with a conversation with Dr. Stuart Brown on the overarching topic of why play is important not only to children, but also to adults.  Today we’re going to talk about outdoor play, and this is such a big topic that we’re going to split it up a bit.  Today we’ll talk about why outdoor play is so critical for children’s development, and then soon we’ll talk with Dr. Scott Sampson about realistic ways that real people can really get their children outside more (and, preferably, get outside more with their children).  Hopefully after that we’ll also look at risky play, and maybe even imaginary play…but let’s take things one at a time.

The way we have defined “nature” and “wilderness” has changed a lot over the years.  Park Ranger Jen is going to come out for a few minutes here – perhaps it won’t surprise some of you who have seem pictures of us in my fortnightly newsletter grubbing around in the muck that I used to want to be a ranger for the National Park Service – and preferably at a park in the middle of nowhere.  A lot of days I still do, but you have to be realistic when you marry a guy who works in advertising.

European settlers of the New World were familiar with wilderness even before they got here because at that time there was still quite a bit of wilderness on the continent.  The most notable idea they had was that wilderness is something different and alien from man, something that civilization can and should and must struggle against.  Judeo-Christian tradition is filled with this kind of symbolism, and it had an enormous impact on the settlers.  “Good” land is flat and fertile; “good” trees produce shade, or fruit, or preferably both; water is plentiful, the climate is mild, and animals live in harmony with man.  Picture the Garden of Eden – it’s a fecund place where branches are drooping with fruit, there’s no need to be afraid of any animal, and Adam and Even don’t need to do any work to survive – but after they sin in the garden they are driven out into the wilderness.  This view of wilderness in the Judeo-Christian religion is in stark contrast to the way wilderness was viewed in other places; many of India’s early religions, including Jainism, Buddhism, and Hinduism emphasize compassion for all living things because man is a part of nature, not apart from it.  The ancient Chinese sought out wilderness in the hope of more clearly understanding the unity and rhythm that they believed pervaded the universe.  Japan’s first religion, Shinto, was a form of nature worship that actually preferred mountains, forests, and storms over the fruitful, pastoral scenes so important to Westerners.  We grew intermittently softer and less-soft toward wilderness over the years until the 1960s and ‘70s, when the terms “environment” and “ecology” became household words.  For the first time in a long time we started to see ourselves as being a part of nature, although it’s a neater idea in theory than in practice.  We increased the pace of setting aside lands for conservation purposes, signing the Wilderness Act in 1964 which specifically provides for places that are “untrammeled by man.” This makes wilderness areas unlike the national parks which had been created sixty years earlier, because in parks people and nature had always uneasily coexisted, at least – White visitors and nature...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This is the second in our extended series of episodes on children’s play.  We kicked off last week with a look at the <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/">benefits of play</a> in general for children, and now we’re going to take a more specific look at the benefits of outdoor play.  Really, if someone could bottle up and sell outdoor play they’d make a killing, because it’s hard to imagine something children can do that benefits them more than this.

This episode also tees up our conversation, which will be an interview with Dr. Scott Sampson on his book How To Raise A Wild Child, which gives TONS of practical suggestions for getting outdoors with children.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">How to scaffold children’s learning to help them succeed</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reggio/">Is a Reggio Emilia-inspired preschool right for my child?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/screen-time/">Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/digital-world/">Raising your child in a digital world</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Anderson, L. W. and Krathwohl, D. R., et al (Eds..) (2001) <em>A Taxonomy for Learning, Teaching, and Assessing: A Revision of Bloom’s Taxonomy of Educational Objectives</em>. Allyn &amp; Bacon. Boston, MA: Pearson Education Group

<hr />

Berman, M.G., Jonides, J., &amp; Kaplan, S. (2008). The cognitive benefits of interacting with nature. <em>Psychological Science 19</em>(12), 1207-1212.

<hr />

Brussoni, M., Rebecca, G., Gray, C., Ishikawa, T., &amp; Sandseter, E.B.H. (2015). What is the relationship between risky outdoor play and health in children? A systematic review. <em>International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 12</em>(6), 6243-6454.

<hr />

Centers for Disease Control and Prvention (2016). Playground safety. Author. Retrieved from https://www.cdc.gov/safechild/playground/index.html

<hr />

Capaldi, C.A., Dopko, R.L., &amp; Zelenski, J.M. (2014). The relationship between nature connectedness and happiness: A meta-analysis. <em>Frontiers in Psychology 5</em>, 1-15.

<hr />

Gregory, A. (2017, May 18). Running free in Germany’s outdoor preschools. The New York Times. Retrieved from https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/t-magazine/germany-forest-kindergarten-outdoor-preschool-waldkitas.html?_r=0

<hr />

Hung, W. (2013). Problem-based learning: A learning environment for enhancing learning transfer. <em>New Directions for Adult and Continuing Education 137</em>(31), 27-38. doi 10.1002/ace.20042

<hr />

Lund, H.H., Klitbo, T., &amp; Jessen, C. (2005). Playware technology for physically activating play. <em>Artificial Life and Robotics 9</em>(4), 165-174.

<hr />

Mawson, W.B. (2014). Experiencing the ‘wild woods’: The impact of pedagogy on children’s experience of a natural environment. <em>European Early Childhood Education Research Journal 22</em>(4), 513-524.

<hr />

Moss, S. (2012). <em>Natural Childhood</em>. London: The National Trust.

<hr />

Nash, R. (1982). <em>Wilderness and the American Mind</em> (3<sup>rd</sup> Ed.). New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.

<hr />

Natural Playgrounds Company (2017). Website. Retrieved from http://www.naturalplaygrounds.com/

<hr />

Outdoor Foundation (2017). Outdoor Participation Report. Author. Retrieved from https://outdoorindustry.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017-Outdoor-Recreation-Participation-Report_FINAL.pdf

<hr />

Otto, S., &amp; Pensini, P. (2017). Nature-based environmental education of children: Environmental knowledge and connectness to nature, together, are related to ecological behavior.<em> Global Environmental Change 47</em>, 88-94.

<hr />

Potvin, P., &amp; Hasni, A. (2014). Interest, motivation, and attitude towards science and technology at K-12 levels: A systematic review of 12 years of educational research. <em>Studies in Science Education 50</em>(1), 85-129.

<hr />

Richardson, M., Cormack, A., McRobert, L., &amp; Underhill, R. (2016). 30 days wild: Development and evaluation of a large-scale nature engagement campaign to improve well-being. <em>PLOS ONE 11</em>(2), 1-13.

<hr />

Roisin, H. (2014, April). The overprotected kid. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/04/hey-parents-leave-those-kids-alone/358631/

<hr />

Scott, J. (2000, July 15). When child’s play is too simple; Experts criticize safety-conscious recreation as boring. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/15/arts/when-child-s-play-too-simple-experts-criticize-safety-conscious-recreation.html

<hr />

Sloan, C. (2013). Transforming multicultural classrooms through creative place-based learning. <em>Multicultural Education 21</em>(1), 26-32. Retreived from https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1045830.pdf

<hr />

Ulset, V., Vitaro, F., Brengden, M., Bekkhus, M., &amp; Borge, A.I.H. (2017). Time spent outdoors during preschool: Links with children’s cognitive and behavioral development. <em>Journal of Environmental Psychology 52</em>, 69-70.

<hr />

Waite, S., Rogers, S., &amp; Evans, J. (2013). Freedom, flow, and fairness: Exploring how children develop socially at school through outdoor play. <em>Journal of Adventure Education and Outdoor Learning 13</em>(3), 255-276.

<hr />

Waller, T., Arlemalm-Hager, E., Sandseter, E.B.H., Lee-Hammond, L., Lekies, K., &amp; Wyver, S. (2017). <em>The SAGE handbook of outdoor play and learning.</em> Thousand Oaks, CA: SAGE.

<hr />

Williams, F. (2017). <em>The nature fix.</em> New York, NY: WW Norton.

<hr />

Wyver, S. (2017). Outdoor play and cognitive development. In T. Waller, E. Arlemalm-Hagster, E.B. Hansen Sandseter, L. Lee-Hammond, K.S. Lekies, and S. Wyer (Eds.), <em>The SAGE handbook of outdoor play and learning.</em> Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage.

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Young, J., McGown, E., &amp; Haas, E. (2010). <em>Coyote’s guide to connecting with nature.</em> Owlink Media.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We’re part-way through a series of as-yet undetermined length on play at the moment.  We kicked off with a conversation with Dr. Stuart Brown on the overarching topic of why play is important not only to children, but also to adults.  Today we’re going to talk about outdoor play, and this is such a big topic that we’re going to split it up a bit.  Today we’ll talk about why outdoor play is so critical for children’s development, and then soon we’ll talk with Dr. Scott Sampson about realistic ways that real people can really get their children outside more (and, preferably, get outside more with their children).  Hopefully after that we’ll also look at risky play, and maybe even imaginary play…but let’s take things one at a time.

The way we have defined “nature” and “wilderness” has changed a lot over the years.  Park Ranger Jen is going to come out for a few minutes here – perhaps it won’t surprise some of you who have seem pictures of us in my fortnightly newsletter grubbing around in the muck that I used to want to be a ranger for the National Park Service – and preferably at a park in the middle of nowhere.  A lot of days I still do, but you have to be realistic when you marry a guy who works in advertising.

European settlers of the New World were familiar with wilderness even before they got here because at that time there was still quite a bit of wilderness on the continent.  The most notable idea they had was that wilderness is something different and alien from man, something that civilization can and should and must struggle against.  Judeo-Christian tradition is filled with this kind of symbolism, and it had an enormous impact on the settlers.  “Good” land is flat and fertile; “good” trees produce shade, or fruit, or preferably both; water is plentiful, the climate is mild, and animals live in harmony with man.  Picture the Garden of Eden – it’s a fecund place where branches are drooping with fruit, there’s no need to be afraid of any animal, and Adam and Even don’t need to do any work to survive – but after they sin in the garden they are driven out into the wilderness.  This view of wilderness in the Judeo-Christian religion is in stark contrast to the way wilderness was viewed in other places; many of India’s early religions, including Jainism, Buddhism, and Hinduism emphasize compassion for all living things because man is a part of nature, not apart from it.  The ancient Chinese sought out wilderness in the hope of more clearly understanding the unity and rhythm that they believed pervaded the universe.  Japan’s first religion, Shinto, was a form of nature worship that actually preferred mountains, forests, and storms over the fruitful, pastoral scenes so important to Westerners.  We grew intermittently softer and less-soft toward wilderness over the years until the 1960s and ‘70s, when the terms “environment” and “ecology” became household words.  For the first time in a long time we started to see ourselves as being a part of nature, although it’s a neater idea in theory than in practice.  We increased the pace of setting aside lands for conservation purposes, signing the Wilderness Act in 1964 which specifically provides for places that are “untrammeled by man.” This makes wilderness areas unlike the national parks which had been created sixty years earlier, because in parks people and nature had always uneasily coexisted, at least – White visitors and nature had, because all the natives had to be kicked out before the park was created.  Some of us now view wilderness as a place to go to feel renewed, but then we want to go back to our technology-centered lives and we sort of forget about wilderness until the next time we want to feel renewed.  Many children these days understand why we should recycle and can tell you about endangered species and climate change, but have no physical experience with nature themselves.  I’m going to argue today that if we can reframe the way we see wilderness and nature and see it as part of our everyday lives, rather than ‘that amazingly cool thing over there that we only visit very occasionally,’ that both we and our children will benefit.

I also want to try to carefully acknowledge – without unintentionally stepping on anyone’s toes – that there are a lot of issues related to colonialist, industrialist, capitalist that we should acknowledge when we talk about nature and our relationship with it.  Indigenous and First Nations communities in many, many places around the world see a spiritual connection to nature as just part of how life is lived, as inextricable from human life.  While these cultures have this idea of a connection to nature in common, they are each unique in the way in which they express that connection – the cultures may have commonalities across them but they are not monolithic.  Colonization has obviously had what we can politely call a negative impact on native peoples in the U.S. and in many other countries, and I think we should acknowledge that for years now we’ve told indigenous peoples that their way of life is wrong and that they need to live the way we live and adapt to our customs and practices, and now we’re seeing that their cultural practices and the way in which they see themselves as a part of nature actually has a great deal of value, and that we should somehow try to understand these practices without appropriating them like we’ve appropriated things like dreamcatchers and headdresses and Pocahontas.  I’m the first to say that this is not my area of expertise and am not exactly sure where this line of appropriation lies, or whether we might cross it by accident, but I at least want to acknowledge that the line exists and also that, as usual, the vast majority of research on children related to the outdoors has been conducted on White children by White researchers, and the perspectives of people from non-dominant cultures are not well represented.

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It won’t be a surprise to anyone who has read – or even heard of – Richard Louv’s book Last Child in the Woods that children are spending less time than they were even just a generation ago – a LOT less time.  A raft of studies shows children spending less time outside, more time in front of the TV and computer, and a dramatic increase in the incidence of childhood obesity.  We’re beginning to understand why that is – nature is filled with inherently fascinating scenery which attracts our attention in a gentle, general way.  Urban environments (and digital media) demand our directed attention so we don’t get hit by a car, or so we can get better at whatever is the hot video game app this week, which is mentally tiring for us.

A generation ago, children found nature everywhere – in vacant lots, in fields, in ditches – as they roamed with friends for hours at a time unsupervised.  Journalist Hanna Rosin wrote her seminal article The Overprotected Kid in The Atlantic in 2014 that when her daughter was about 10, her husband suddenly realized that in her daughter’s whole life, she had probably not spent more than 10 minutes unsupervised by an adult.  Not 10 minutes in 10 years.

In the U.K., the area in which children roam without adults has decreased by almost 90% – half of all children used to regularly play in wild spaces a generation ago, and now it’s less than one in ten.  Children don’t walk to school alone any more, or play outside by themselves – instead they’re indoors and if they’re aged between four and nine they spend on average over 17 hours a week watching TV or playing video games.  The Outdoor Foundation (which is funded by the National Park Service and outdoor retailers) found that participation of all people over six years old in outdoor activities (not including organized sports) declined between 2006 and 2016, but the participation rate of 6-12-year-olds declined the most – 15%.  Most of that decline happened between 2006 and 2009, and it’s been pretty much flat-lined at around 62% of children participating for the last several years.  Journalist Florence Williams reports in her book The Nature Fix that two thirds of schoolchildren do not know acorns come from trees, and while she doesn’t source that particular nugget and I couldn’t find it independently, the overall feeling is one that is echoed in other reports.

At the same time, academics are being pushed ever-harder in schools, in the name of helping individuals to ‘get ahead’ so companies can sell more stuff and our GDP can rise ever-higher.  As we see often in parenting, when we prioritize one thing we inherently de-prioritize something else – just because we can’t pay attention to everything.  If we prioritize academics, we de-prioritize spending time outdoors and engaging in unstructured play.

There are, of course, exceptions to the rule.  There are more than 1500 forest kindergartens in Germany – some have a kind of ‘home base’ structure for bad weather but others just shuttle the children to a park on public transit, and keep them outdoors whatever the weather.  Children don’t play with toys, but with sticks, rocks, leaves, and whatever else they can find.  Far from being wild, uncivilized children who struggle in schools, forest kindergarten graduates have a “clear advantage” over the graduates of indoor kindergartens, outperforming their peers in cognitive and physical ability, as well as creativity and social development.  The Wild Network, an organization that tries to increase the amount of nature in children’s lives, has identified several barriers to what it calls Wild Time, which are categorized into four groups.  In the fear category are stranger danger, a risk-averse culture, and dangerous streets.  Time constraints include time-poor parents, a lack of nature in the curriculum, and a lack of unstructured free play in nature.  Spatial issues include vanishing green space and the commercialization of childhood seems to be lumped in here as well, while the rise of screen time is the primary technological concern.  It’s too simplistic to say that too much of all of these things is always terrible – for example, technology can be a great enabler of the outdoors.  My 3 ½-year-old is getting into geocaching, where you use a map on a phone to locate a small hidden object – I mostly use the technology at the moment but I’m sure she’s going to want to do it soon.  I would argue that our children can handle more risk than most of us let them experience, but how much is the right amount?

As I mentioned earlier, part of the problem of getting children outside is that their parents have a perception that danger lurks around every corner, which is why playgrounds in Western countries tend to consist of a play structure, some rubberized flooring to prevent injuries, and a fence around the outside to keep people who aren’t supposed to be playing with their children out.  In the 1960s, children were safe wandering around New York City because neighbors and shopkeepers kept a collective eye out for children as they played.  Today that collective responsibility has been replaced by governmental actions (for example, putting signs on playgrounds saying that adults may not enter without a child) and quasi-governmental organizations like the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which aims to safeguard children but also contributes to the feeling that stranger danger is a real thing.  In reality, children are almost never kidnapped from playgrounds.  Family members are usually involved when children are kidnapped, and even the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is refocusing its attention away from putting missing children’s pictures on milk cartons and toward child molestation, which unfortunately remains an enormous problem.

I only want to address injuries briefly, because we’ll cover them in greater depth in the episode on risky play, but I do want to make the point that while the Centers for Disease Control reports that more than 200,000 children are treated in emergency departments every year for injuries sustained at playgrounds, this number has remained steady as the population has increased and most of the injuries treated were minor with the child being sent home without being admitted.  40 children died on playgrounds in the eight-year period between 2001 and 2009, mostly from either strangulation related to swings, jump ropes, dog leashes, and the like, or falls.  While these deaths are tragic, we should put that into context: the same number of children are killed on our roads <em>every two weeks</em>.  The result of the focus on reducing injuries is the standardization of play equipment, which is why you can walk into pretty much any playground across the country and see the same bog-standard equipment – a metal pipe climbing structure, a slide, as few moving parts as possible, and a sea of rubber mat flooring.  I’m probably going to do an episode dedicated to risky play in this series so I won’t get into it too deeply here, but I do want to mention that the type of outdoor play that most Americans think of with the standard playground structure surrounded by a fence and with rubberized flooring underfoot isn’t really very interesting or challenging for children.  This model has developed through parents and cities trying to remove all risk from playgrounds and while playground standards have been effective at reducing]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/outdoor]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1784</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5695b2fd-d411-4a5f-b2ee-0adbb51074d7/benefits-of-outdoor-playedited.mp3" length="32966543" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This is the second in our extended series of episodes on children’s play.  We kicked off last week with a look at the https://yourparentingmojo.com/play/ (benefits of play) in general for children, and now we’re going to take a more specific look at the benefits of outdoor play.  Really, if someone could bottle up and sell outdoor play they’d make a killing, because it’s hard to imagine something children can do that benefits them more than this.
This episode also tees up our conversation, which will be an interview with Dr. Scott Sampson on his book How To Raise A Wild Child, which gives TONS of practical suggestions for getting outdoors with children.
 
Other episodes referenced in this show
https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/ (How to scaffold children’s learning to help them succeed)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/reggio/ (Is a Reggio Emilia-inspired preschool right for my child?)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/screen-time/ (Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/digital-world/ (Raising your child in a digital world)

References
Anderson, L. W. and Krathwohl, D. R., et al (Eds..) (2001) A Taxonomy for Learning, Teaching, and Assessing: A Revision of Bloom’s Taxonomy of Educational Objectives. Allyn and Bacon. Boston, MA: Pearson Education Group
Berman, M.G., Jonides, J., and Kaplan, S. (2008). The cognitive benefits of interacting with nature. Psychological Science 19(12), 1207-1212.
Brussoni, M., Rebecca, G., Gray, C., Ishikawa, T., and Sandseter, E.B.H. (2015). What is the relationship between risky outdoor play and health in children? A systematic review. International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 12(6), 6243-6454.
Centers for Disease Control and Prvention (2016). Playground safety. Author. Retrieved from https://www.cdc.gov/safechild/playground/index.html
Capaldi, C.A., Dopko, R.L., and Zelenski, J.M. (2014). The relationship between nature connectedness and happiness: A meta-analysis. Frontiers in Psychology 5, 1-15.
Gregory, A. (2017, May 18). Running free in Germany’s outdoor preschools. The New York Times. Retrieved from https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/t-magazine/germany-forest-kindergarten-outdoor-preschool-waldkitas.html?_r=0
Hung, W. (2013). Problem-based learning: A learning environment for enhancing learning transfer. New Directions for Adult and Continuing Education 137(31), 27-38. doi 10.1002/ace.20042
Lund, H.H., Klitbo, T., and Jessen, C. (2005). Playware technology for physically activating play. Artificial Life and Robotics 9(4), 165-174.
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Moss, S. (2012). Natural Childhood. London: The National Trust.
Nash, R. (1982). Wilderness and the American Mind (3rd Ed.). New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.
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Otto, S., and Pensini, P. (2017). Nature-based environmental education of children: Environmental knowledge and connectness to nature, together, are related to ecological behavior. Global Environmental Change 47, 88-94.
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Richardson, M., Cormack, A., McRobert, L.,</itunes:summary></item><item><title>057: What is the value of play?</title><itunes:title>057: What is the value of play?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Does play really matter? Do children get anything out of it? Or is it just messing around; time that could be better spent preparing our children for success in life?

Today we talk with Dr. Stuart Brown, founder of the National Institute for Play, about the benefits of play for both children and – I was surprised to find – adults.

This is the first in a series of episodes on play – lots more to come on outdoor play (and how to raise kids who love being outdoors), risky play, and imaginative play.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Stuart Brown's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3TZFNcB">Play: How it shapes the brain, opens the imagination, and invigorates the soul</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bjorklund, D.F., &amp; Brown, R.D. (1998). Physical play and cognitive development: Integrating activity, cognition, and education. Child Development, 69, 604-606.

<hr />

Brown, S. (2009). Play: How it shapes the brain, opens the imagination, and invigorates the soul. New York, NY: Penguin.

<hr />

Christakis, D. A., F. J. Zimmerman, and M. Garrison. (2007). Effect of block play on language acquisition and attention in toddlers a pilot randomized controlled trial. Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine,161 (10), 967-971.

<hr />

Csíkszentmihályi, Mihály (1990). <em>Flow: The psychology of optimal experience</em>. New York: Harper and Row.

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. New York, NY: Scribner.

<hr />

Elkind, D. (2003). Thanks for the memory: The lasting value of true play. Young Children 58(3), 46-51.

<hr />

Lancy, D.F. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.09">[00:40]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We’re kicking off a series of episodes today on the topic of play. Now I hear you wondering: play? There’s enough research about play to be able to do one episode, never mind a series of episodes?! And my response to that would be, Oh yes, there is just you. Wait, so we’re going to kick off today with an overview of the topic and then we’ll delve into various aspects of play with a particular focus on outdoor play because it’s important to me and just sometimes that’s how we pick topics around here. So today we have is our very special guest Dr. Stuart Brown, MD. I first learned of his work when I heard the National Institute for Play mentioned during a show on NPR. I thought to myself, there is a national institute for play. I have to talk to somebody from there, and so Dr. Brown, who’s the founder and director of the National Institute for Play is here to share his research and work. I was fascinated to read his book play, how it shapes the brain, opens the imagination and invigorates the soul because I was expecting it to tell me how important play is to my daughter’s development, but I wasn’t expecting it to tell me how important play is to my own wellbeing as well. So we’ll get into that to welcome Dr. Brown.

Dr. Brown: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.34">[01:51]</a></u>

Glad to be here Jen.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.02">[01:53]</a></u>

So let’s start with something that seems kind of obvious, but then you think about it a bit and you realize that you’re actually not quite sure what it is. So I’m wondering, can you please define play for us?

Dr. Brown: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.35">[02:04]</a></u>

Well, it’s very hard to define; it’s a little like love in that play is an experience and it is often prompted by pre-verbal sorts of impulses. But having said that, we always like to think of it as something that is definable, although I think most of us, if we see a puppy or kitty playing in front of us, we know that what they’re doing is play, but it’s voluntary; it’s done for its own sake. It appears purposeless. It takes one out of a sense of time. There is a diminished sense of self importance. You’re just engaged in what you’re doing. It’s fun and pleasurable. It can be interrupted. It’s not driven like addictive or other kinds of activities in general. Like to go back to it and experience it again and it is something that’s deeply instinctively embedded in the humans. So that’s a start anyhow.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.64">[03:11]</a></u>

And I’m wondering if you can talk us through, Scott Eberle, I think is how you say his name. He has a six step process of play that you describe in your book. Can you walk us through those six steps?

Dr. Brown:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=202.03">[03:22]</a></u>

I don’t know if I can go through all six steps butt Scott Eberle was the distinguished editor of the American Journal of Play from its start until just recently when he retired and he has established what he considers the elements of play, kind of like the periodic table of elements define the atomic structure. Then he goes from anticipation to poise and describes there’s anticipation, surprise, increased strength, agility, curiosity, and takes these elements, and if I had them listed in front of me. I could read them off, but he has a whole array of gradations that go from, as you anticipate, for example, an experience of play, whether it’s playing a sport or reading a novel that you’re looking forward to. There is that heightened sense of anticipation. Then once you get into the various elements of play, they establish a kind of a “state of play.” Then he and I have gone back and forth. It had lots of really sort of discussions about his play elements fit very well into the burgeoning neuroscience of play.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=286.5">[04:46]</a></u>

Mmmm. And I’m also wondering as you were reading, as you were talking through some of the elements of play, I was thinking about Czikszentmihalyi’s concept of flow, but it seems to me as though that might be more applicable to when people are working more than playing because they have goal-directed behavior and you said that the play doesn’t have goal-directed behavior. Can you help us to tease out what are the connections between play and flow?

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=311.06">[05:11]</a></u>

I don’t know that it’s correct to say that it doesn’t have goal direction. It is at the time one is experiencing it, the outcome of the experience is less important than the experience itself. That doesn’t mean that the experience doesn’t have purpose. I think one can enjoy a hike or a job and say, oh, well, you know, I’m just doing this for its own sake, and yet it increases physical fitness and personal health, so there is an outcome.

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.25">[05:45]</a></u>

So this is not to say that the experience of play itself doesn’t have outcome and deep purpose. It’s just that at the moment, if you’re terribly anxious about performing, you’re probably not playing as much as if you’re just doing something for its own sake.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.46">[06:04]</a></u>

And so you alluded to something there that I wanted to get into a bit more deeply and that is about the purpose of play and specifically how that differs for children from different cultures.

Dr. Brown:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.56">[06:16]</a></u>

Well, I don’t know that it differs; I think there are cultures that foster and cultures that suppress it, but I think particularly developmentally that the value of play and the necessity of play for wholeness and wellbeing at a full use of curiosity and engagement in the world, those are universals and they apply both to the human experience cross-culturally and they apply to social mammals at play, and so you see the necessity of particularly early developmental play, whether you’re a coyote or a dolphin or a horse or a human.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=423.15">[07:03]</a></u>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Does play really matter? Do children get anything out of it? Or is it just messing around; time that could be better spent preparing our children for success in life?

Today we talk with Dr. Stuart Brown, founder of the National Institute for Play, about the benefits of play for both children and – I was surprised to find – adults.

This is the first in a series of episodes on play – lots more to come on outdoor play (and how to raise kids who love being outdoors), risky play, and imaginative play.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Stuart Brown's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3TZFNcB">Play: How it shapes the brain, opens the imagination, and invigorates the soul</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bjorklund, D.F., &amp; Brown, R.D. (1998). Physical play and cognitive development: Integrating activity, cognition, and education. Child Development, 69, 604-606.

<hr />

Brown, S. (2009). Play: How it shapes the brain, opens the imagination, and invigorates the soul. New York, NY: Penguin.

<hr />

Christakis, D. A., F. J. Zimmerman, and M. Garrison. (2007). Effect of block play on language acquisition and attention in toddlers a pilot randomized controlled trial. Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine,161 (10), 967-971.

<hr />

Csíkszentmihályi, Mihály (1990). <em>Flow: The psychology of optimal experience</em>. New York: Harper and Row.

<hr />

Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. New York, NY: Scribner.

<hr />

Elkind, D. (2003). Thanks for the memory: The lasting value of true play. Young Children 58(3), 46-51.

<hr />

Lancy, D.F. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.09">[00:40]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We’re kicking off a series of episodes today on the topic of play. Now I hear you wondering: play? There’s enough research about play to be able to do one episode, never mind a series of episodes?! And my response to that would be, Oh yes, there is just you. Wait, so we’re going to kick off today with an overview of the topic and then we’ll delve into various aspects of play with a particular focus on outdoor play because it’s important to me and just sometimes that’s how we pick topics around here. So today we have is our very special guest Dr. Stuart Brown, MD. I first learned of his work when I heard the National Institute for Play mentioned during a show on NPR. I thought to myself, there is a national institute for play. I have to talk to somebody from there, and so Dr. Brown, who’s the founder and director of the National Institute for Play is here to share his research and work. I was fascinated to read his book play, how it shapes the brain, opens the imagination and invigorates the soul because I was expecting it to tell me how important play is to my daughter’s development, but I wasn’t expecting it to tell me how important play is to my own wellbeing as well. So we’ll get into that to welcome Dr. Brown.

Dr. Brown: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.34">[01:51]</a></u>

Glad to be here Jen.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.02">[01:53]</a></u>

So let’s start with something that seems kind of obvious, but then you think about it a bit and you realize that you’re actually not quite sure what it is. So I’m wondering, can you please define play for us?

Dr. Brown: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.35">[02:04]</a></u>

Well, it’s very hard to define; it’s a little like love in that play is an experience and it is often prompted by pre-verbal sorts of impulses. But having said that, we always like to think of it as something that is definable, although I think most of us, if we see a puppy or kitty playing in front of us, we know that what they’re doing is play, but it’s voluntary; it’s done for its own sake. It appears purposeless. It takes one out of a sense of time. There is a diminished sense of self importance. You’re just engaged in what you’re doing. It’s fun and pleasurable. It can be interrupted. It’s not driven like addictive or other kinds of activities in general. Like to go back to it and experience it again and it is something that’s deeply instinctively embedded in the humans. So that’s a start anyhow.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.64">[03:11]</a></u>

And I’m wondering if you can talk us through, Scott Eberle, I think is how you say his name. He has a six step process of play that you describe in your book. Can you walk us through those six steps?

Dr. Brown:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=202.03">[03:22]</a></u>

I don’t know if I can go through all six steps butt Scott Eberle was the distinguished editor of the American Journal of Play from its start until just recently when he retired and he has established what he considers the elements of play, kind of like the periodic table of elements define the atomic structure. Then he goes from anticipation to poise and describes there’s anticipation, surprise, increased strength, agility, curiosity, and takes these elements, and if I had them listed in front of me. I could read them off, but he has a whole array of gradations that go from, as you anticipate, for example, an experience of play, whether it’s playing a sport or reading a novel that you’re looking forward to. There is that heightened sense of anticipation. Then once you get into the various elements of play, they establish a kind of a “state of play.” Then he and I have gone back and forth. It had lots of really sort of discussions about his play elements fit very well into the burgeoning neuroscience of play.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=286.5">[04:46]</a></u>

Mmmm. And I’m also wondering as you were reading, as you were talking through some of the elements of play, I was thinking about Czikszentmihalyi’s concept of flow, but it seems to me as though that might be more applicable to when people are working more than playing because they have goal-directed behavior and you said that the play doesn’t have goal-directed behavior. Can you help us to tease out what are the connections between play and flow?

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=311.06">[05:11]</a></u>

I don’t know that it’s correct to say that it doesn’t have goal direction. It is at the time one is experiencing it, the outcome of the experience is less important than the experience itself. That doesn’t mean that the experience doesn’t have purpose. I think one can enjoy a hike or a job and say, oh, well, you know, I’m just doing this for its own sake, and yet it increases physical fitness and personal health, so there is an outcome.

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.25">[05:45]</a></u>

So this is not to say that the experience of play itself doesn’t have outcome and deep purpose. It’s just that at the moment, if you’re terribly anxious about performing, you’re probably not playing as much as if you’re just doing something for its own sake.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.46">[06:04]</a></u>

And so you alluded to something there that I wanted to get into a bit more deeply and that is about the purpose of play and specifically how that differs for children from different cultures.

Dr. Brown:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.56">[06:16]</a></u>

Well, I don’t know that it differs; I think there are cultures that foster and cultures that suppress it, but I think particularly developmentally that the value of play and the necessity of play for wholeness and wellbeing at a full use of curiosity and engagement in the world, those are universals and they apply both to the human experience cross-culturally and they apply to social mammals at play, and so you see the necessity of particularly early developmental play, whether you’re a coyote or a dolphin or a horse or a human.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=423.15">[07:03]</a></u>

Okay. So this is sort of very common experience then for mammals. And is it right to say that humans have sort of perfected it and taken it to another level, or is it much the same as you see in humans as in other animals?

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=440.26">[07:20]</a></u>

We’re different in that we have language, imagination, curiosity, the search for novelty, but the patterns of play that we see in kids and in highly intelligent animals really quite similar. Then we can learn from animal play a lot about its value because laboratory scientists can objectify that and study it and suppress it and then see the benefits or the effect of a lack of play on development and in highly social mammals and that’s not an ethical thing we could do or want to do with humans.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=474.35">[07:54]</a></u>

Right, and I know that your work has actually focused on children and adults where children experienced play deprivation. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Dr. Brown:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=485.78">[08:05]</a></u>

Well, in a long, long time ago, over 50 years ago, I got involved in studying a mass murderer who had gone to the top of the Texas tower after killing his wife and mother. He was a 25 year old ex-Marine Eagle Scout, no legal history and [unintelligible] killed 14 people and wounded 32. It was then the largest mass murder in the U.S., which unfortunately has been superseded by may that we’ve seen in our recent time. Anyhow, we looked closely at this individual’s life and he was killed on the top of the tower by vigilante gunfire to stop his outpouring of violence, but we did a very, very detailed study of his life history going back three generations and I won’t go through the whole story, but we found – we being the commission – and we found that his father had systematically suppressed play again and again and again, so that literally this young man grew up without the experience of free play and with the need to conform to the demands and control of this sadistic and disturbed father.

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=570.24">[09:30]</a></u>

So that initial study which was done very carefully and included a very detailed review of his physiology, sort of opened my eyes to what’s going on here that play is so important, particularly in this young man’s life? And it appeared to be necessary for him to have suppressed his violent impulses, which were hidden in part of his diaries and imagination, but not been evident until this moment and the tragedy on the top of the tower. So that then led to a formal study of homicidal males and the Texas prison system for a year or so with a team and we found that the homicidal individuals who were very violent men compared to match controls had very different play history. They there were isolated or bullied or tortured or they were themselves bullies. They didn’t have a normal play background, so we found in that and some other research following, I won’t go through all of it, that have a normal rough and tumble play and the kinds of activities that most of us engage in spontaneously as children were not experienced in general by the populations of violence and social man and so that led me in the course of my long clinical career to review the play histories of everyone that I saw and the psychiatric interns and residents and psychology intern, social workers and the like that were part of my teaching career also collected these detailed…as detailed as possible play histories and one from that long and involved anecdotal history and again, they get a sense that when play is adequate, it really leads to a more fulfilled and meaningful life in one play is seriously deprived life that it has consequences and they’re not obviously homicide or murder, but there are consequences that I think are significant, so it’s from that long base that led to my, when I left clinical practice, led to my independent scholarship and establishment of the National Institute for Play.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=726.01">[12:06]</a></u>

Okay. So I’m curious as to some of the methodological issues with understanding the importance of play history as you’ve just described it and I imagine that people when they were children who had sub-optimal play, history’s probably also had other things going on in their homes as well. You mentioned the Texas murderer having a difficult relationship with a sub-optimal father. How do you tease out the importance of play compared to everything else that might be going on in a family where play is not valued?

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=757.78">[12:37]</a></u>

I think it’s difficult. And I think the fact that these anecdotal reviews were not all established with a rigorous research design means that one can make generalizations about that, but what you see from the lives, particularly where play is intensely, where there’s real deprivation, let’s say the child is isolated or they’ve got a psychotic mother and father, so that there’s no verbal interchange and playfulness and you begin to see the really severe deprivations, then from that and from the murderers, once you get a sense that even if there is abuse and poverty and other kinds of mayhem in the family background, still what stands out as different from a lot of other individuals who had some of those same difficulties, but were able to play, we do see that play has a nourishing, developmentally important component that leads toward wellbeing and resiliency and self organization and things that are otherwise don’t seem to happen in the absence of play.

Dr. Brown:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=836.08">[13:56]</a></u>

So I can’t tell you that you know, this is. I can write an article and a peer review group would say, okay, we can now pinpoint exactly what play does. I don’t think one can do that and separate it from some of the other issues, but when you then take a look at the animal world and then objectify and limit play highly playful, playful rats, for example, and see the effect on their development and brain function, you begin to get a sense that the experience of play among the playful social mammal is necessary for competency and wellbeing.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=883.59">[14:43]</a></u>

Alright, so that helps us to understand why play is important. So let’s talk about some of the hows we revisit pretty often on this show David Lancy’s book, The Anthropology of Childhood. And so I went back to that book and saw that there was a whole listing of entries in the index for play. And so I went through and read them and I found that in many cultures parents just don’t play with their children at all, particularly if you’re in a culture where there’s a high child mortality rate and the parents just aren’t supposed to get attached to their child. And in many cultures parents aim to raise children who are compliant. And so they do this by wearing the baby, by anticipating the child’s needs. And essentially by not interacting with the child unnecessarily, but in our culture, It’s pretty common for parents to actually play with children, but I was sort of amused to realize that children in other cultures will often play independently for hours by themselves and American parents do sometimes play with their children, but they also expanded quite a bit of energy trying to get their children to play independently, which children and other cultures have mastered perfectly well without being prompted. So I’m curious as to your thoughts on the value of parental play with children to the child.

Dr. Brown:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grKjDBLKJIWUTUR1odQ3E7dW7ZFM53njgDr3Xdgc-cqz8sj2yiCz2j2xOh5ol8ymm_B426E32EU4W2hIkUS-BrL17QQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=957.36">[15:57]</a></u>

Well, I think parental play is extremely valuable and has a exploration of the possible, searching on novelty, being secure and safe in a protected environment so that there is, I think, enrichment that occurs with culturally approved parent child play. I do think there are almost no cultures that suppress play enough where’s there’s almost no child-child or peer-peer play. And I think many cultures there’s not parent child play, but there’s a lot of mixed age play where the older kids play with the younger kids and there really is a kind of a natural parenting among the play styles that take place. And I’m not an anthropologist, so I don’t claim to cultural expertise. I think there’s some general principles that indicate play is really important developmentally and it is a natural experience for child-child exposure to each other. There’s an onset of play when that happens, when your kids will play, whether they’re Eskimos or Aborigines, they will still play. Or live on the upper...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/play]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1776</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/660babfa-a0a7-4a34-9c79-435fb1d30133/stuart-brownedited.mp3" length="43581486" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Does play really matter? Do children get anything out of it? Or is it just messing around; time that could be better spent preparing our children for success in life?
Today we talk with Dr. Stuart Brown, founder of the National Institute for Play, about the benefits of play for both children and – I was surprised to find – adults.
This is the first in a series of episodes on play – lots more to come on outdoor play (and how to raise kids who love being outdoors), risky play, and imaginative play.

References
Bjorklund, D.F., and Brown, R.D. (1998). Physical play and cognitive development: Integrating activity, cognition, and education. Child Development, 69, 604-606.
Brown, S. (2009). Play: How it shapes the brain, opens the imagination, and invigorates the soul. New York, NY: Penguin.
Christakis, D. A., F. J. Zimmerman, and M. Garrison. (2007). Effect of block play on language acquisition and attention in toddlers a pilot randomized controlled trial. Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine,161 (10), 967-971.
Csíkszentmihályi, Mihály (1990). Flow: The psychology of optimal experience. New York: Harper and Row.
Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. New York, NY: Scribner.
Elkind, D. (2003). Thanks for the memory: The lasting value of true play. Young Children 58(3), 46-51.
Lancy, D.F. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings (2nd Ed.). Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.
 
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It’s my favorite glass vase.  I hear “I didn’t mean to hurt it, Mommy!  It just fell!” as I run full-pelt from the other end of the house.

It was a family heirloom passed down by my grandmother.  I’ve asked her not to touch it a hundred times.  I am <em>beyond</em> furious.  “Please don’t be mad, Mommy.  It was an accident.”

I clench my teeth.  “I’m not mad.”

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What does my daughter learn from this exchange?  How does my own emotional regulation affect what she learns about how to regulate her own emotions?  We’ll learn about this in today’s episode.

Note that this episode is the second in the ill-fated experimental short episodes – we’ll be back to the regular length hereafter!  In case you missed it, the first episode in this series was <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/youreok/">Three Reasons Not To Say You’re OK</a>.

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<span id="more-3141"></span><strong>References</strong>

Bariola, E., Hughes, E.K., &amp; Gullone, E. (2012). Relationships between parent and child emotion regulation strategy use: A brief report. Journal of Child and Family Studies 21(3), 443-448.

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Butler, E.A., Egloff, B., ,Wilhelm, F.H., Smith, N.C., Erickson, E.A., &amp; Gross, J.J. (2003). The social consequences of expressive suppression. Emotion 3(1), 48-67.

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Christenfeld, B., Gerin, W., Linden, W., Sanders, M., Mathur, J., Deich, J.D., &amp; Pickering, T.G. (1997). Social support effects on cardiovascular reactivity: Is a stranger as effective as a friend? Psychosomatic Medicine 59, 388-398.

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Cohen, S., &amp; Wills, T.A. (1985). Stress, social support, and the buffering hypothesis. Psychological Bulletin 98(2), 310-357.

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Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2016). Spanking and child outcomes: Old controversies and new meta-analyses. Journal of Family Psychology 30(4), 453-469.

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Gottman, J.M., &amp; Levenson, R.W. (1992). Marital processes predictive of later dissolation: Behavior, physiology, and health. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 63(2), 221-233.

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Gross, J.J., &amp; John, O.P. (2003). Individual differences in two emotion regulation processes: Implications for affect, relationships, and well-being. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 85(2), 348-362.

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Gunzenhauser, C., Faasche, A., Friedlmeier, W.&amp; von Suchodoletz, A. (2014). Face it or hide it: Parental socialization of reappraisal and response suppression. Frontiers in Psychology 4, 992.

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Kiel, E.J. &amp; Kalomiris, A.E. (2015). Current themes in understanding children’s emotion regulation as developing from within the parent-child relationship. Current Opinions in Psychology 1(3), 11-16.

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Kopystynska, O, Paschall, K.W., Barnett, M.A., &amp; Curran, M.A. (2017). Patterns of interparental conflict, parenting, and children’s emotional insecurity: A person-centered approach. Journal of Family Psychology 31(7), 922-932.

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Krantz, D.S., &amp; Manuck, S.B. (1984). Acute psychophysiologic reactivity and risk of cardiovascular disease: A review and methdologic critique. Psychological Bulletin 93(3), 435-464.

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Lansbury, J. Unruffled Parenting. Author. Retrieved from http://www.janetlansbury.com/2015/08/respectful-parenting-podcasts-janet-lansbury-unruffled/

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Laurenceau, J.P., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Pietromonaco, P.R. (1998). Intimacy as an interpersonal process: The importance of self-disclosure, partner disclosure, and perceived partner responsiveness in interpersonal exchanges. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 75(5), 1238-1251.

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Meeren H.K.M., van Heijnsbergen, C.C.R.J., &amp; de Gelder, B. (2005). Rapid perceptual integration of facial expression and emotional body language. PNAS 102(45), 16518-16523.

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Pennebaker, J.W. (1989). Confession, inhibition, and disease. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology 22, 211-244.

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Rutherford, H.J.V., Wallace, N.S., Laurent, H.K., &amp; Mayes, L.C. (2015). Emotion regulation in parenthood. Developmental Review 36, 1-14.

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Tiedens, L.Z. (2001). Anger and advancement versus sadness and subjugation: The effect of negative emotion expressions on social status conferral. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 80(1), 86-94.

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Tromssdorff, G., &amp; Heikamp, T. (2013). Socialization of emotions and emotion regulation in cultural context. In S. Barnow &amp; N. Balkir (Eds.), Cultural variations in psychopathology: From research to practice (pp.67-92). Cambridge, MA: Hoegrefe Publishing.

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Rime, B., Mesquita, B., Boca, S., &amp; Philippott, P. (1991). Beyond the emotional event: Six studies on the social sharing of emotion. Cognition and Emotion 5(5-6), 435-465.

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Roomer, L., Williston, S.K., &amp; Rollins, L.G. (2015). Mindfulness and emotion regulation. Current Opinion in Psychology 3, 52-57.

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Wang, M-T., &amp; Kenny, S. (2015). Longitudinal links between fathers’ and mothers’ harsh verbal discipline and adolescents’ conduct problems and depressive symptoms. Child Development 85(3), 908-923.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I hear a huge crash.

It’s my favorite glass vase.  I hear “I didn’t mean to hurt it, Mommy!  It just fell!” as I run full-pelt from the other end of the house.

It was a family heirloom passed down by my grandmother.  I’ve asked her not to touch it a hundred times.  I am <em>beyond</em> furious.  “Please don’t be mad, Mommy.  It was an accident.”

I clench my teeth.  “I’m not mad.”

_______________________________________________________

&nbsp;

What does my daughter learn from this exchange?  How does my own emotional regulation affect what she learns about how to regulate her own emotions?  We’ll learn about this in today’s episode.

Note that this episode is the second in the ill-fated experimental short episodes – we’ll be back to the regular length hereafter!  In case you missed it, the first episode in this series was <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/youreok/">Three Reasons Not To Say You’re OK</a>.

&nbsp;
<h4>Taming Your Triggers</h4>
If you need help with your own big feelings about your child’s behavior, register for the <b>Taming Your Triggers workshop.</b>

We’ll help you to:
<ul><li>Understand the real causes of your triggered feelings, and begin to heal the hurts that cause them</li><li>Use new tools like the ones Katie describes to find ways to meet both her and her children’s needs</li><li>Effectively repair with your children on the fewer instances when you are still triggered</li></ul><br/>
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<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>
<ul><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/parenting/">How parenting affects child development</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/divorce/">The impact of divorce on a child’s development</a></li><li><a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">How to scaffold children’s learning to help them succeed</a></li></ul><br/>
&nbsp;

<span id="more-3141"></span><strong>References</strong>

Bariola, E., Hughes, E.K., &amp; Gullone, E. (2012). Relationships between parent and child emotion regulation strategy use: A brief report. Journal of Child and Family Studies 21(3), 443-448.

<hr />

Butler, E.A., Egloff, B., ,Wilhelm, F.H., Smith, N.C., Erickson, E.A., &amp; Gross, J.J. (2003). The social consequences of expressive suppression. Emotion 3(1), 48-67.

<hr />

Christenfeld, B., Gerin, W., Linden, W., Sanders, M., Mathur, J., Deich, J.D., &amp; Pickering, T.G. (1997). Social support effects on cardiovascular reactivity: Is a stranger as effective as a friend? Psychosomatic Medicine 59, 388-398.

<hr />

Cohen, S., &amp; Wills, T.A. (1985). Stress, social support, and the buffering hypothesis. Psychological Bulletin 98(2), 310-357.

<hr />

Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2016). Spanking and child outcomes: Old controversies and new meta-analyses. Journal of Family Psychology 30(4), 453-469.

<hr />

Gottman, J.M., &amp; Levenson, R.W. (1992). Marital processes predictive of later dissolation: Behavior, physiology, and health. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 63(2), 221-233.

<hr />

Gross, J.J., &amp; John, O.P. (2003). Individual differences in two emotion regulation processes: Implications for affect, relationships, and well-being. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 85(2), 348-362.

<hr />

Gunzenhauser, C., Faasche, A., Friedlmeier, W.&amp; von Suchodoletz, A. (2014). Face it or hide it: Parental socialization of reappraisal and response suppression. Frontiers in Psychology 4, 992.

<hr />

Kiel, E.J. &amp; Kalomiris, A.E. (2015). Current themes in understanding children’s emotion regulation as developing from within the parent-child relationship. Current Opinions in Psychology 1(3), 11-16.

<hr />

Kopystynska, O, Paschall, K.W., Barnett, M.A., &amp; Curran, M.A. (2017). Patterns of interparental conflict, parenting, and children’s emotional insecurity: A person-centered approach. Journal of Family Psychology 31(7), 922-932.

<hr />

Krantz, D.S., &amp; Manuck, S.B. (1984). Acute psychophysiologic reactivity and risk of cardiovascular disease: A review and methdologic critique. Psychological Bulletin 93(3), 435-464.

<hr />

Lansbury, J. Unruffled Parenting. Author. Retrieved from http://www.janetlansbury.com/2015/08/respectful-parenting-podcasts-janet-lansbury-unruffled/

<hr />

Laurenceau, J.P., Barrett, L.F., &amp; Pietromonaco, P.R. (1998). Intimacy as an interpersonal process: The importance of self-disclosure, partner disclosure, and perceived partner responsiveness in interpersonal exchanges. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 75(5), 1238-1251.

<hr />

Meeren H.K.M., van Heijnsbergen, C.C.R.J., &amp; de Gelder, B. (2005). Rapid perceptual integration of facial expression and emotional body language. PNAS 102(45), 16518-16523.

<hr />

Pennebaker, J.W. (1989). Confession, inhibition, and disease. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology 22, 211-244.

<hr />

Rutherford, H.J.V., Wallace, N.S., Laurent, H.K., &amp; Mayes, L.C. (2015). Emotion regulation in parenthood. Developmental Review 36, 1-14.

<hr />

Tiedens, L.Z. (2001). Anger and advancement versus sadness and subjugation: The effect of negative emotion expressions on social status conferral. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 80(1), 86-94.

<hr />

Tromssdorff, G., &amp; Heikamp, T. (2013). Socialization of emotions and emotion regulation in cultural context. In S. Barnow &amp; N. Balkir (Eds.), Cultural variations in psychopathology: From research to practice (pp.67-92). Cambridge, MA: Hoegrefe Publishing.

<hr />

Rime, B., Mesquita, B., Boca, S., &amp; Philippott, P. (1991). Beyond the emotional event: Six studies on the social sharing of emotion. Cognition and Emotion 5(5-6), 435-465.

<hr />

Roomer, L., Williston, S.K., &amp; Rollins, L.G. (2015). Mindfulness and emotion regulation. Current Opinion in Psychology 3, 52-57.

<hr />

Wang, M-T., &amp; Kenny, S. (2015). Longitudinal links between fathers’ and mothers’ harsh verbal discipline and adolescents’ conduct problems and depressive symptoms. Child Development 85(3), 908-923.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/emotionregulation]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1768</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:26:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/99233c90-3647-4c76-a05b-ce0d614700f2/beyond-youre-okedited.mp3" length="13068325" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>12:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>56</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>56</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8599fed2-8b77-402a-b40d-4e0305a21243/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>055: Raising Your Spirited Child</title><itunes:title>055: Raising Your Spirited Child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Is your child ‘spirited’?  Even if they aren’t spirited all the time, do they have spirited moments?  You know exactly what to do in those moments, right?

No?

Well then we have a treat for you today.  Dr. Mary Sheedy Kurcinka, author of Raising Your Spirited Child, walks us through the ins and outs of her book on the same topic.  Best yet, we do the interview as a consult with a parent, Kathryn, who has read and loved the book, but struggled with implementing the ideas.

Warning: we spend quite a bit of time brainstorming very specific problems that Kathryn is having with her daughter.  You may not be having exactly the same problem with your child, but the brainstorming method we use is one you can do with a friend – take the approach with you to address your own problems, rather than the specific ideas.

Read more about Dr. Mary’s books and other work on her <a href="http://www.parentchildhelp.com/">website</a>.

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<strong>Reference</strong>

Kurcinka, M.S. (2015). <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fa2n0G">Raising your spirited child (3rd Ed.)</a>. New York, NY: William Morrow. (Affiliate link)

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.42">[00:39]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I know we’re going to help a lot of parents out today because we are here with Dr. Mary Sheedy Kurcinka, who wrote the book Raising Your Spirited Child, which I know is an absolute classic read for any parent of a spirited child. I read the book because a listener had requested an episode on it and what surprised me about it was that I don’t think my daughter is particularly spirited, but I definitely saw elements of her behavior described in the book and what I took out of that was that probably pretty much any child can have spirited elements of their personality or even just spirited moments. And so both the book and this episode are really for anyone who raises a child and who has ever had a moment where they think, “why won’t he or she just do what I ask.”

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.67">[01:26]</a></u>

So Dr. Mary has a bachelor’s in early childhood education, a Master’s in family social science, and a doctorate in education. She has written four books on various aspects of raising children, which have been translated into 23 languages. Her son and daughter are now fully fledged adults and she lives with her husband in Bozeman, Montana. Welcome Dr. Mary.

Kathryn:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.74">[01:46]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.08">[01:48]</a></u>

And so when I mentioned in my fortnightly newsletter, which you can actually receive by subscribing to the show YourParentingMojo.com, that I was looking for a coat interviewer to help me interview Dr Mary and really dig into the ways to apply the wisdom in the book. I received a number of responses, but one really stuck out. Kathryn is based in London and she has a four year old daughter who we’re going to call Jane in this episode and a son who’s a little over a year old and we’re going to call him George.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=134.58">[02:14]</a></u>

I asked Kathryn to help us with this interview because she’d actually read and love the book, but had been struggling with the application of some of the strategies. She’s tried hard to support her spirited daughter as she grows and develops, but has found a particularly challenged in some areas since the birth of her son. So we’re here today to really get into the book, but also go beyond the book and get the real lowdown on how to implement the strategies in the book when the first attempt has maybe been a little bit less than successful. Welcome Kathryn.

Kathryn:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.91">[02:41]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=162.89">[02:42]</a></u>

All right. So Kathryn, let’s start with you. I wonder if you could please describe your daughter and how she fits into your family dynamic and I know you’ve read the book so you know that the words that are used to describe spirited children are very important. So what words do you use to describe her and what words do people around you who might not have read the book use?

Kathryn:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.53">[03:01]</a></u>

So after reading the book, I would say that in particular it was the intense and persistent elements that really struck a chord, but also she’s sensitive, very perceptive, a very high energy introvert, I would say. And just very articulate about what she wants, funny, enthusiastic, that kind of thing. And in terms of other peoples, there’s never been so much the label’s put on her I would find, but it’s just kind of when people talk, when they’d see something happening, you know, as if, oh, so and so that I know that they’re spoiled and oh well people don’t treat me like King Tut, or you know, just, it’s more in people’s tone. And I, I noticed as well since her brother was born that it’s more she falls into a particular persona kind of in contrast as the main older sibling almost.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.44">[03:54]</a></u>

Is that pretty common? Dr. Kurcinka?

Dr. Mary:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.711">[03:57]</a></u>

As the mean older sibling? Well, certainly one of the things we know about spirited children is their intent. So every emotion is intense, including jealousy, they’re also slow to adapt. So a shift in the family dynamic is certainly going to affect them, but they’re also incredibly perceptive of the stress levels within our family and so often it’s the spirited child who I refer to them as our stress barometers because they’ll often start acting out because they’re taking in the stress around them. And obviously a new baby brings a great deal of stress to a family dynamic.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=282.14">[04:42]</a></u>

Yeah. Do you feel as though that’s really impacted your family dynamic, Kathryn?

Kathryn:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=286.24">[04:46]</a></u>

Yes, I would say that has made a huge difference because I think, you know, when people talk about age two and age for as being particularly noteworthy in our family, it was really age three. But I think that’s because that was, you know, in the leadup my pregnancy and then the birth of her, her brother, the starting of preschool. So many things kind of happened at that period of time and therefore also our resources were that much less to kind of cope with it. And whereas I had kind of taken everything on with her, largely myself, because I stayed at home, I didn’t go back to work after my maternity leave and had kind of tried to protect her a little bit there because she had very distinct needs as far as I could see it in terms of being a little bit more sensitive to stimulation and to situations and things I had kept her under my wing a little bit in that respect. Whereas I couldn’t obviously do that with a newborn and also just adjusting to letting go a little bit in terms of preschool, you know, and no longer being her whole world anymore. That kind of rattled things a little bit and of course changed the family dynamic quite a bit and then adding an extra person.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.89">[05:58]</a></u>

And these are all fairly natural things to happen, right? Brothers and sisters are born and their children tend to go up to some kind of care or preschool or something. Dr. Mary, how can we help children and prepare them for the kinds of transitions that Jane’s been going through?

Dr. Mary:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=375.32">[06:15]</a></u>

Well, there’s several things. One is, as you said,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Is your child ‘spirited’?  Even if they aren’t spirited all the time, do they have spirited moments?  You know exactly what to do in those moments, right?

No?

Well then we have a treat for you today.  Dr. Mary Sheedy Kurcinka, author of Raising Your Spirited Child, walks us through the ins and outs of her book on the same topic.  Best yet, we do the interview as a consult with a parent, Kathryn, who has read and loved the book, but struggled with implementing the ideas.

Warning: we spend quite a bit of time brainstorming very specific problems that Kathryn is having with her daughter.  You may not be having exactly the same problem with your child, but the brainstorming method we use is one you can do with a friend – take the approach with you to address your own problems, rather than the specific ideas.

Read more about Dr. Mary’s books and other work on her <a href="http://www.parentchildhelp.com/">website</a>.

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<strong>Reference</strong>

Kurcinka, M.S. (2015). <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fa2n0G">Raising your spirited child (3rd Ed.)</a>. New York, NY: William Morrow. (Affiliate link)

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.42">[00:39]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I know we’re going to help a lot of parents out today because we are here with Dr. Mary Sheedy Kurcinka, who wrote the book Raising Your Spirited Child, which I know is an absolute classic read for any parent of a spirited child. I read the book because a listener had requested an episode on it and what surprised me about it was that I don’t think my daughter is particularly spirited, but I definitely saw elements of her behavior described in the book and what I took out of that was that probably pretty much any child can have spirited elements of their personality or even just spirited moments. And so both the book and this episode are really for anyone who raises a child and who has ever had a moment where they think, “why won’t he or she just do what I ask.”

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.67">[01:26]</a></u>

So Dr. Mary has a bachelor’s in early childhood education, a Master’s in family social science, and a doctorate in education. She has written four books on various aspects of raising children, which have been translated into 23 languages. Her son and daughter are now fully fledged adults and she lives with her husband in Bozeman, Montana. Welcome Dr. Mary.

Kathryn:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.74">[01:46]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.08">[01:48]</a></u>

And so when I mentioned in my fortnightly newsletter, which you can actually receive by subscribing to the show YourParentingMojo.com, that I was looking for a coat interviewer to help me interview Dr Mary and really dig into the ways to apply the wisdom in the book. I received a number of responses, but one really stuck out. Kathryn is based in London and she has a four year old daughter who we’re going to call Jane in this episode and a son who’s a little over a year old and we’re going to call him George.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=134.58">[02:14]</a></u>

I asked Kathryn to help us with this interview because she’d actually read and love the book, but had been struggling with the application of some of the strategies. She’s tried hard to support her spirited daughter as she grows and develops, but has found a particularly challenged in some areas since the birth of her son. So we’re here today to really get into the book, but also go beyond the book and get the real lowdown on how to implement the strategies in the book when the first attempt has maybe been a little bit less than successful. Welcome Kathryn.

Kathryn:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.91">[02:41]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=162.89">[02:42]</a></u>

All right. So Kathryn, let’s start with you. I wonder if you could please describe your daughter and how she fits into your family dynamic and I know you’ve read the book so you know that the words that are used to describe spirited children are very important. So what words do you use to describe her and what words do people around you who might not have read the book use?

Kathryn:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.53">[03:01]</a></u>

So after reading the book, I would say that in particular it was the intense and persistent elements that really struck a chord, but also she’s sensitive, very perceptive, a very high energy introvert, I would say. And just very articulate about what she wants, funny, enthusiastic, that kind of thing. And in terms of other peoples, there’s never been so much the label’s put on her I would find, but it’s just kind of when people talk, when they’d see something happening, you know, as if, oh, so and so that I know that they’re spoiled and oh well people don’t treat me like King Tut, or you know, just, it’s more in people’s tone. And I, I noticed as well since her brother was born that it’s more she falls into a particular persona kind of in contrast as the main older sibling almost.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.44">[03:54]</a></u>

Is that pretty common? Dr. Kurcinka?

Dr. Mary:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.711">[03:57]</a></u>

As the mean older sibling? Well, certainly one of the things we know about spirited children is their intent. So every emotion is intense, including jealousy, they’re also slow to adapt. So a shift in the family dynamic is certainly going to affect them, but they’re also incredibly perceptive of the stress levels within our family and so often it’s the spirited child who I refer to them as our stress barometers because they’ll often start acting out because they’re taking in the stress around them. And obviously a new baby brings a great deal of stress to a family dynamic.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=282.14">[04:42]</a></u>

Yeah. Do you feel as though that’s really impacted your family dynamic, Kathryn?

Kathryn:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=286.24">[04:46]</a></u>

Yes, I would say that has made a huge difference because I think, you know, when people talk about age two and age for as being particularly noteworthy in our family, it was really age three. But I think that’s because that was, you know, in the leadup my pregnancy and then the birth of her, her brother, the starting of preschool. So many things kind of happened at that period of time and therefore also our resources were that much less to kind of cope with it. And whereas I had kind of taken everything on with her, largely myself, because I stayed at home, I didn’t go back to work after my maternity leave and had kind of tried to protect her a little bit there because she had very distinct needs as far as I could see it in terms of being a little bit more sensitive to stimulation and to situations and things I had kept her under my wing a little bit in that respect. Whereas I couldn’t obviously do that with a newborn and also just adjusting to letting go a little bit in terms of preschool, you know, and no longer being her whole world anymore. That kind of rattled things a little bit and of course changed the family dynamic quite a bit and then adding an extra person.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.89">[05:58]</a></u>

And these are all fairly natural things to happen, right? Brothers and sisters are born and their children tend to go up to some kind of care or preschool or something. Dr. Mary, how can we help children and prepare them for the kinds of transitions that Jane’s been going through?

Dr. Mary:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=375.32">[06:15]</a></u>

Well, there’s several things. One is, as you said, with the starting preschool, there’s also a change in routine in one of the things I talk about and work with families on in my private consultants, there’s two aspects to effective discipline, there’s structure, which is the routine, the rules, the expectations, they’re the things that remain pretty stable and then there’s the emotion coaching and the challenge with a new baby and starting preschool is the structure gets disrupted and so if you think about it’s kind of like all of a sudden moving or changing jobs or changing bosses at work that all of a sudden there are…what you expected in the past is no longer occurring. Things are different, so in preparing them, one is reforming that structure and creating predictability for them, which will then reduce the frequency and intensity of the meltdowns, leaving you the patience and energy to do the emotion coaching when it needs to be done.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=445.02">[07:25]</a></u>

Yeah, Dr. Mary, you just said something really profound there that helped me to understand the gravity of these kinds of changes in a child’s world. When you talk about being comparable to moving for an adult or changing a boss for an adult, you know, I think if there was a big deal, I need to figure out what a new boss wants for me and how I interact with that person and you know, even as something as simple as changing a child’s teacher at preschool, you might think, well all the other teachers are still there and all the other children is still there, but that’s a very different interaction and it makes me feel as though, oh yeah, I can understand that. I can understand why that would be difficult for a child. Does that help us to bring more compassion to it, do you think?

Dr. Mary:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=482.2">[08:02]</a></u>

Well, I think it is important to look at that and look at this situation, yes, very compassionately. And that’s another thing that we can do is actually reduced expectations on that older child, which can be hard because it’s like, okay, now you’re the older one and I need to be taking care of the baby. But one of the stress reactions you’ll see is shut down. And shut down behaviors are, I can’t dress myself, I can’t walk, I can’t feed myself, and the natural reaction to those responses are you could do it yesterday or you could do it an hour ago and we push to have them do what they’re capable of doing, but what they’re actually telling us is I’m so overwhelmed, I’m shutting down. And so one thing that we can do as a parent is proactively say to them before they’re demanding, carry me, dress me, feed me, is, “is today a day that you can dress yourself or do you need help?” And if they say I need help, we help them because we recognize, wow, they’re dealing with a lot of stuff here. And so instead of fighting and struggling, we help them, but we also nudge them by saying, okay, you know, today I’ll help you, but pretty soon maybe even tomorrow you’re going to surprise me and do it yourself again. So we let them know we’re not doing this for ever, but we can see that right now, you need a little extra support.

Kathryn:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586.48">[09:46]</a></u>

Do you see that dynamic in Jane, Kathryn? Yes, and I think some of those kinds of things about the dressing herself and things like that, that was a little bit easier for me or when we had in meal times the returned to kind of wanting to be fed for a little while or when my son was weaning than wanting to be on our laps as well and so some of that we definitely saw and I think I was used to a little bit more doing things at her own pace beforehand, so that part of it was a little bit easier for me, but I struggled a little bit. I think with things that were just suddenly new in those transitions, so transition around having the new sibling created a kind of a new level to my own intensity. I think in terms of a protectiveness over the small person than she had never shown aggression really before then to see some of those behaviors being targeted towards him specifically rather than wanting to be baby. But something that kind of felt like a bit more of an emergency in the moment kind of thing. That was triggering to me in a way that I hadn’t really been triggered as much in the past,

Dr. Mary:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=654.35">[10:54]</a></u>

And you’re absolutely right, Kathryn, you know, as a mom who are very protective of our children. It’s kind of the mother bear syndrome and one of the things I think that’s important to recognize, especially with a four year old, four year old and many spirited children, tend to be very bright and have excellent language skills and so we often assume that they have an understanding of things that they don’t because they are so verbal and so when we see behaviors that are potentially dangerous to the baby or a safety issue for the baby, the question becomes what is Jane feeling and needing in this situation? So is it an issue that she actually doesn’t realize, you can’t hug a baby that firmly. And so it’s teaching her how to hold and touch the baby. Is she feeling jealous? So instead of pushing the baby, teaching her to say I want him to go away, and that when she uses the words, we actually at that…because we’re teaching the words at this point, set the baby down and hold her because she used words instead of action. So it’s in those situations stopping to think what is she feeling or needing. Is it a skill issue? Is it a feeling she doesn’t know how to express appropriately. But as a four year old she has no idea that she can harm the baby.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=759.92">[12:39]</a></u>

Wow. I would never have thought that. Wouldn’t you think that if you hit something it might hurt. But no, that’s a very profound realization I think to understand that a four year old can’t think that.

Kathryn: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=771.81">[12:51]</a></u>

And I think sometimes if there are kind of two elements to it and like for, it’s the intensity piece around just that kind of out of control, excitement/anxiety, kind of that, you know, in the beginning in particular, if I’m trying to spend time just one on one with her to have a little bit of that, she actually would reject that for quite awhile. And she always wanted to know where he was and oh, if he was asleep she wants to be there waking up. Like she just really didn’t want to take her eyes off him. Like really was affectionate to like overzealously affectionate, but you know, in a way you would expect. But just couldn’t. It was like, yeah, simultaneously just out of control, affection and anxiety around the situation that she just couldn’t quite get to grips with, it felt like.

Dr. Mary:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=822.35">[13:42]</a></u>

And, and I think that’s an interesting choice of words when you say kind of anxiety about it. And again with the energy and that frenzied energy, we look at the fuel source because that frenzied energy is saying she’s overstimulated, she’s over aroused. And so one question I would have is actually about sleep because if the meltdowns are happening like after school or late in the afternoon or that frenzied behavior, that actually is an indication that can be an indication of, oh, we’re tired. So what time does she wake in the morning?

Kathryn:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=865.22">[14:25]</a></u>

She wakes up about [7:00] usually.

Dr. Mary:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=867.81">[14:27]</a></u>

And is she napping?

Kathryn:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=869.86">[14:29]</a></u>

No, and she can’t now because she’s in school.

Dr. Mary:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=873.63">[14:33]</a></u>

Okay. And what time does she fall asleep at night?

Kathryn:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=879.2">[14:39]</a></u>

Uh, she’ll be actually asleep by about [8:30].

Dr. Mary:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qhBeTvtd_HQqEKaKSoYbJuUfLAD9xJ-6m3QQv5oFw3ThXPGBdlQlYiWWo6M7Gts6tL0eUJUpNfv4hlx1XLVGn3PBB2A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=883.02">[14:43]</a></u>

Okay. So if we look at the averages and these are only averages, which means some children will have more, some people less. But this time of the year, the winter, when the...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/spiritedchild]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1760</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2ae94fae-b217-48e6-b8be-d1a8cd941917/your-parenting-mojo-raising-your-spirited-childfinal.mp3" length="50259092" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Is your child ‘spirited’?  Even if they aren’t spirited all the time, do they have spirited moments?  You know exactly what to do in those moments, right?
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Well then we have a treat for you today.  Dr. Mary Sheedy Kurcinka, author of Raising Your Spirited Child, walks us through the ins and outs of her book on the same topic.  Best yet, we do the interview as a consult with a parent, Kathryn, who has read and loved the book, but struggled with implementing the ideas.
Warning: we spend quite a bit of time brainstorming very specific problems that Kathryn is having with her daughter.  You may not be having exactly the same problem with your child, but the brainstorming method we use is one you can do with a friend – take the approach with you to address your own problems, rather than the specific ideas.
Read more about Dr. Mary’s books and other work on her http://www.parentchildhelp.com/ (website).

Reference
Kurcinka, M.S. (2015). http://amzn.to/2Fa2n0G (Raising your spirited child (3rd Ed.)). New York, NY: William Morrow. (Affiliate link)
 
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It turns out that this question is related to a skill that psychologists call <em>emotional regulation, </em>and learning how to regulate emotions is one of the most important tasks of childhood.

This to-the-point episode is a trial of a shorter form of episode after listeners told me this show is “very dense.”  It’s hard to back off the density, but I can back off the length.  Let me know (via email or the Contact Me, page – not the comments on this episode because I get inundated with spam) what you think…

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting/">How parenting affects children’s development</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/divorce/">How divorce impacts children’s development</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">How to scaffold children’s learning</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Brookshire, B. (2013, May 8). Psychology is WEIRD: Western college students are not the best representatives of human emotion, behavior, and sexuality. Slate. Retrieved from www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/05/weird_psychology_social_science_researchers_rely_too_much_on_western_college.html

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Duncan, L.G., Coatsworth, J.D., &amp; Greenberg, M.T. (2009). A model of mindful parenting: Implications for parent-child relationships and prevention research. Clinical Child &amp; Family Psychology Review 12, 255-270.

<hr />

Keane, S.P., &amp; Calkins, S.D. (2004). Predicting kindergarten peer social status from toddler and preschool problem behavior. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 32(4), 409-423.

<hr />

Kopystynska, O., Paschall, K.W., Barnett, M.A., &amp; Curran, M.A. (2017). Patterns of interparental conflict, parenting, and children’s emotional insecurity: A person-centered approach. Journal of Family Psychology 31(7), 922-932.

<hr />

Roemer, L., Williston, S.K., &amp; Rollins, L.G. (2015). Mindfulness and emotion regulation. Current Opinion in Psychology 3, 52-57.

<hr />

Rotenberg, K.J., &amp; Eisenberg, N. (1997). Developmental differences in the understanding of and reaction to others’ inhibition of emotional expression. Developmental Psychology 33(3), 526-537.

<hr />

Sasser, T.R., Bierman, K.L., &amp; Heinrichs, B. (2015). Executive functioning and school adjustment: The mediational role of pre-kindergarten learning-related behaviors. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 30(A), 70-79.

<hr />

Swain, J.E., Kim, P., &amp; Ho, S.S. (2011). Neuroendocrinology of parental response to baby-cry. Journal of Neuroendochrinology 23(11), 1036-1041.

<hr />

Trommsdorff, G. (2010). Preschool girls’ distress and mothers’ sensitivity in Japan and Germany. European Journal of Developmental Psychology 7(3), 350-370.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

While I was still pregnant with my daughter, a friend showed me a video of a toddler falling down a flight of stairs.  Once he has tumbled all the way to the bottom he immediately bounces up and announces loudly for anyone who might be around: “I’m OK! I’m OK!”

At the time I thought that was pretty cool.  Who <em>wouldn’t</em> want a child who can roll with the tumbles of life and be fine with it?

I was working on some mental and emotional pregnancy exercises from a book at the time, one of which instructed me to write down my hopes for my yet-unborn daughter.  In the beautiful book that I made for her by hand (and that I hope to one day give to her), the third entry on my list of “My hopes for you” was “I hope you’ll be the kind of kid who gets up after a fall and says I’m OK!”

Fortunately, through studying for a Master’s in Psychology and through researching podcast episodes for you, my wishes for my daughter, as well as my skills, have evolved – but I’m still learning all the time.

Recently, one of my podcast listeners emailed me with a question:

<em>“I hear parents on the playground all the time saying “You’re OK!” after their child falls over.  Often it does make the child stop crying…but doesn’t it invalidate the child’s feelings?”</em>

It turns out that this question is related to a skill that psychologists call <em>emotional regulation, </em>and learning how to regulate emotions is one of the most important tasks of childhood. There are three major ways that children learn about emotional regulation.  The first of these is through direct teaching of emotional regulation – for example, by saying things like ‘you’re OK!.’  The second is through parental modeling of emotional regulation, and because I’ve been getting feedback from listeners saying that they LOVE my show but find the content to be very dense, we’re going to try a little experiment here and break these two topics down into two episodes.  They’re not actually going to be any less dense than my regular episodes (although I really make no apology for that), but hopefully making them shorter will help them to be a bit more digestible anyway.  I’d like you to let me know what you think about this, so do drop me a line at <a href="mailto:jen@yourparentingmojo.com">jen@yourparentingmojo.com</a> with any feedback.

The third way children learn about emotional regulation is the emotional climate of the family, which includes parent-child attachment, the romantic attachment of the parents, and the presence/absence of marital conflict (<a href="http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Ffam0000343">and how this is resolved</a>).  We’ve covered a lot of this information in other shows already – like in our interview with Dr. Laura Froyen on how parenting affects child development, as well as in the episode related to how divorce impacts children, which contained a lot of information on how conflict affects children, and how resolving conflict productively can actually be very helpful for children to observe.  For that reason we’re not going to do a third show on this particular aspect of emotional regulation but go ahead – show affection to your partner!  Be romantic!  Your kid is watching…

So there are three critical reasons we need to support our children’s emotional regulation.  Firstly, emotional regulation directly impacts an individual’s wellbeing, because emotions have a physical impact on both children and adults.  Stress can have direct physiological effects on a person, like increasing blood pressure, it can impact behaviors related to wellbeing like alcohol and substance use and abuse, and can contribute to mental wellness or illness, for example, depression (Butler 2013).

Secondly, emotional regulation helps children to make (and keep friends) – <a href="https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8220/1af2514a9e9efa07bc6ca55ede0d85e62283.pdf">aggressive boys and girls who fail to share and who get peers in trouble find it hard to make friends</a>.

And finally, emotional regulation is really important for academic achievement – <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0885200614001045?via%3Dihub">pre-kindergarten skills related to emotional regulation actually predict later academic skills</a> probably because children who can sit still even when they want to fidget and ignore a taunting classmate are more likely to stay on-task with the lesson.

What I wanted to know next was “can scientists help us to understand how our actions as parents impact our children’s emotional regulation?”  It turns out that there’s no one “aha!” study that neatly addresses these issues.  But a whole slew of studies cast light on different pieces of the puzzle.

&nbsp;

There are two key ideas behind the incongruence of saying “You’re OK” to Western children:

Firstly, emotional expression is culturally driven.<strong>  </strong>We Westerners tend to think that pretty much everyone thinks (or should think) like us.  While differences between individuals in a culture do, of course, exist, in general researchers assume that “people strive for independence, self-fulfillment, and authentic expression of emotions based on autonomy” (Trommsdorff &amp; Heikamp 2013, p.70) – but in many Asian societies this is not a goal for raising children.

Instead, Asian parents aim to know what their child needs before the child even says it (Tromsdorff &amp; Heikamp 2013).  Chinese children see this control as an expression of warmth and support, whereas European-American children find it stifling.

Most psychological research that makes it into journals is conducted on <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/05/weird_psychology_social_science_researchers_rely_too_much_on_western_college.html">Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic (or WEIRD)  WEIRD college students</a>, and then researchers assume it’s applicable to all Americans, and maybe even people everywhere.  But the ‘hot’ way of studying the cultural issues behind emotionally-driven behavior is to put some Western and some Japanese people in an uncomfortable situation and see what happens – they use Japanese people because the Japanese are typically considered the paragon of the Asian interdependent cultures.

When <a href="http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17405620802252742">researchers</a> gave Japanese and German preschool girls a task that they could not possibly complete, German girls experienced distress associated with their failure for much longer than...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<em>“I hear parents on the playground all the time saying “You’re OK!” after their child falls over. Often it does make the child stop crying…but doesn’t it invalidate the child’s feelings?”</em>

It turns out that this question is related to a skill that psychologists call <em>emotional regulation, </em>and learning how to regulate emotions is one of the most important tasks of childhood.

This to-the-point episode is a trial of a shorter form of episode after listeners told me this show is “very dense.”  It’s hard to back off the density, but I can back off the length.  Let me know (via email or the Contact Me, page – not the comments on this episode because I get inundated with spam) what you think…

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting/">How parenting affects children’s development</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/divorce/">How divorce impacts children’s development</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">How to scaffold children’s learning</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Brookshire, B. (2013, May 8). Psychology is WEIRD: Western college students are not the best representatives of human emotion, behavior, and sexuality. Slate. Retrieved from www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/05/weird_psychology_social_science_researchers_rely_too_much_on_western_college.html

<hr />

Duncan, L.G., Coatsworth, J.D., &amp; Greenberg, M.T. (2009). A model of mindful parenting: Implications for parent-child relationships and prevention research. Clinical Child &amp; Family Psychology Review 12, 255-270.

<hr />

Keane, S.P., &amp; Calkins, S.D. (2004). Predicting kindergarten peer social status from toddler and preschool problem behavior. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 32(4), 409-423.

<hr />

Kopystynska, O., Paschall, K.W., Barnett, M.A., &amp; Curran, M.A. (2017). Patterns of interparental conflict, parenting, and children’s emotional insecurity: A person-centered approach. Journal of Family Psychology 31(7), 922-932.

<hr />

Roemer, L., Williston, S.K., &amp; Rollins, L.G. (2015). Mindfulness and emotion regulation. Current Opinion in Psychology 3, 52-57.

<hr />

Rotenberg, K.J., &amp; Eisenberg, N. (1997). Developmental differences in the understanding of and reaction to others’ inhibition of emotional expression. Developmental Psychology 33(3), 526-537.

<hr />

Sasser, T.R., Bierman, K.L., &amp; Heinrichs, B. (2015). Executive functioning and school adjustment: The mediational role of pre-kindergarten learning-related behaviors. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 30(A), 70-79.

<hr />

Swain, J.E., Kim, P., &amp; Ho, S.S. (2011). Neuroendocrinology of parental response to baby-cry. Journal of Neuroendochrinology 23(11), 1036-1041.

<hr />

Trommsdorff, G. (2010). Preschool girls’ distress and mothers’ sensitivity in Japan and Germany. European Journal of Developmental Psychology 7(3), 350-370.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.

While I was still pregnant with my daughter, a friend showed me a video of a toddler falling down a flight of stairs.  Once he has tumbled all the way to the bottom he immediately bounces up and announces loudly for anyone who might be around: “I’m OK! I’m OK!”

At the time I thought that was pretty cool.  Who <em>wouldn’t</em> want a child who can roll with the tumbles of life and be fine with it?

I was working on some mental and emotional pregnancy exercises from a book at the time, one of which instructed me to write down my hopes for my yet-unborn daughter.  In the beautiful book that I made for her by hand (and that I hope to one day give to her), the third entry on my list of “My hopes for you” was “I hope you’ll be the kind of kid who gets up after a fall and says I’m OK!”

Fortunately, through studying for a Master’s in Psychology and through researching podcast episodes for you, my wishes for my daughter, as well as my skills, have evolved – but I’m still learning all the time.

Recently, one of my podcast listeners emailed me with a question:

<em>“I hear parents on the playground all the time saying “You’re OK!” after their child falls over.  Often it does make the child stop crying…but doesn’t it invalidate the child’s feelings?”</em>

It turns out that this question is related to a skill that psychologists call <em>emotional regulation, </em>and learning how to regulate emotions is one of the most important tasks of childhood. There are three major ways that children learn about emotional regulation.  The first of these is through direct teaching of emotional regulation – for example, by saying things like ‘you’re OK!.’  The second is through parental modeling of emotional regulation, and because I’ve been getting feedback from listeners saying that they LOVE my show but find the content to be very dense, we’re going to try a little experiment here and break these two topics down into two episodes.  They’re not actually going to be any less dense than my regular episodes (although I really make no apology for that), but hopefully making them shorter will help them to be a bit more digestible anyway.  I’d like you to let me know what you think about this, so do drop me a line at <a href="mailto:jen@yourparentingmojo.com">jen@yourparentingmojo.com</a> with any feedback.

The third way children learn about emotional regulation is the emotional climate of the family, which includes parent-child attachment, the romantic attachment of the parents, and the presence/absence of marital conflict (<a href="http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Ffam0000343">and how this is resolved</a>).  We’ve covered a lot of this information in other shows already – like in our interview with Dr. Laura Froyen on how parenting affects child development, as well as in the episode related to how divorce impacts children, which contained a lot of information on how conflict affects children, and how resolving conflict productively can actually be very helpful for children to observe.  For that reason we’re not going to do a third show on this particular aspect of emotional regulation but go ahead – show affection to your partner!  Be romantic!  Your kid is watching…

So there are three critical reasons we need to support our children’s emotional regulation.  Firstly, emotional regulation directly impacts an individual’s wellbeing, because emotions have a physical impact on both children and adults.  Stress can have direct physiological effects on a person, like increasing blood pressure, it can impact behaviors related to wellbeing like alcohol and substance use and abuse, and can contribute to mental wellness or illness, for example, depression (Butler 2013).

Secondly, emotional regulation helps children to make (and keep friends) – <a href="https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8220/1af2514a9e9efa07bc6ca55ede0d85e62283.pdf">aggressive boys and girls who fail to share and who get peers in trouble find it hard to make friends</a>.

And finally, emotional regulation is really important for academic achievement – <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0885200614001045?via%3Dihub">pre-kindergarten skills related to emotional regulation actually predict later academic skills</a> probably because children who can sit still even when they want to fidget and ignore a taunting classmate are more likely to stay on-task with the lesson.

What I wanted to know next was “can scientists help us to understand how our actions as parents impact our children’s emotional regulation?”  It turns out that there’s no one “aha!” study that neatly addresses these issues.  But a whole slew of studies cast light on different pieces of the puzzle.

&nbsp;

There are two key ideas behind the incongruence of saying “You’re OK” to Western children:

Firstly, emotional expression is culturally driven.<strong>  </strong>We Westerners tend to think that pretty much everyone thinks (or should think) like us.  While differences between individuals in a culture do, of course, exist, in general researchers assume that “people strive for independence, self-fulfillment, and authentic expression of emotions based on autonomy” (Trommsdorff &amp; Heikamp 2013, p.70) – but in many Asian societies this is not a goal for raising children.

Instead, Asian parents aim to know what their child needs before the child even says it (Tromsdorff &amp; Heikamp 2013).  Chinese children see this control as an expression of warmth and support, whereas European-American children find it stifling.

Most psychological research that makes it into journals is conducted on <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/05/weird_psychology_social_science_researchers_rely_too_much_on_western_college.html">Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic (or WEIRD)  WEIRD college students</a>, and then researchers assume it’s applicable to all Americans, and maybe even people everywhere.  But the ‘hot’ way of studying the cultural issues behind emotionally-driven behavior is to put some Western and some Japanese people in an uncomfortable situation and see what happens – they use Japanese people because the Japanese are typically considered the paragon of the Asian interdependent cultures.

When <a href="http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17405620802252742">researchers</a> gave Japanese and German preschool girls a task that they could not possibly complete, German girls experienced distress associated with their failure for much longer than Japanese girls, whose distress quickly disappeared – to be expected in a culture where such expression is typically avoided.  The girls’ mothers were present during the experiment: German mothers expressed warmth to their daughters after the girls failed at the task, and the more sensitive the mother the more distress the girls expressed – in other words, the girls cried more, perhaps because the German mothers felt as though the girls were expressing their authentic emotions and so did not try to get the girls to stop crying.

So if we put all this together, we see that telling a child how they feel (or should feel) is a strategy that is really not well-suited to raising children in a society where autonomy and independence are prized.  We are attempting to control their experience of the world, which would help to build warmth between Chinese-American children and their parents, but which European-American children see as overly controlling.  German mothers seem to have it figured out – their children might cry more as a result, but they learn the validity of their own emotions.  It seems as though if American parents really do prize autonomy and independence, it would be a whole lot less confusing for their children if they were also a bit more tolerant of the expression of emotions that can be seen as negative, like crying.

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The second reason why it’s incongruent for Westerners to tell their children “you’re OK” is that children’s emotional regulation develops as they age.

Perhaps this won’t be terribly surprising to parents: emotional regulation before age three months is thought to be driven largely by innate processes – things like turning toward pleasant stimuli like a parent’s face, and away from aversive stimuli like a loud noise.  By age one, babies know that other people can help them to regulate their emotional states, and by age two they can use specific strategies to manage their own feelings (although they aren’t always successful, which is why they have tantrums) (Calkins &amp; Hill 2007).

The way children think about controlling emotions also changes as they get older.  <a href="http://psycnet.apa.org/record/1997-06205-014">Young children seem to believe</a> that parents can actually change children’s emotions simply by saying “stop crying,” but older children and adults recognize that you don’t stop feeling something just because someone else tells you to – you just stop expressing the emotion.  As we’ll see in our next episode, this can have very negative impacts on a person’s mental and physical wellbeing.

So we do need to adjust our approach as our child gets older, and we can use what psychologists call <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">scaffolding</a> to offer our children more support when they are younger (or hungry, or tired) and gradually withdraw that support as they get better at regulating their own emotions.  As a reminder, we did a whole episode pretty early on in the show on how to use scaffolding to increase children’s abilities.

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So what should we understand from these studies?

Firstly, we socialize our children to succeed in our culture, and we should use strategies to help our children succeed in our culture (unless we might think that our culture relies just a touch too much on individualism, in which case we might want to adjust our approach slightly…).

Telling Western children “You’re OK!” when they’re clearly not flies in the face of all the other lessons we try to teach them about living their own experience and respecting their feelings.  It might stop them from crying, but it’s incredibly conflicting for them – we’re suddenly using strategies more suited to socializing in Asian cultures for no apparent reason.

Secondly, while our youngest children might think that we can change how they feel just by telling them, but eventually they figure out that we can’t, and they feel gypped.

Finally, by supporting our children as they develop <em>their own</em> emotional control skills (rather than just telling them they’re OK) we equip them with critical skills they need to succeed in learning and in life.

So why do we continue to tell our children they’re OK when they clearly know they’re not (and, if we’re honest, so do we)?  The only explanation I can come up with is that we really hate to hear our children cry.  <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4319977/">We’re wired to make it stop as fast as we can</a>, which we do by soothing our infants, and when they get old enough that we can’t easily soothe them any more we try to get them to stop using whatever means we can – even if it doesn’t benefit our children at all, and may instead impede their emotional regulation skill development.

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Al well and good, I hear you say, but what should we do instead of saying “You’re OK?”

So next time your child falls at the playground, consider taking these four actions:
<ol>
 	<li><strong> And Watch</strong></li>
</ol><br/>
Don’t go running over.  Cement yourself to that park bench if necessary.

Look to see whether your child is really hurt.  If he really is, go over immediately.  If it’s more likely to be just a bump, sit tight a little longer.

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 	<li><strong>Set an Intention </strong></li>
</ol><br/>
Use this time to check in and see how <em>you’re</em> feeling.  <a href="https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs10567-009-0046-3.pdf">Bring your full awareness to the moment</a> and set an intention to respond with your child’s best interest in mind.  Are you anxious?  Take a breath.  Resolve to not say “You’re OK.”

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<ol start="3">
 	<li><strong>Act</strong></li>
</ol><br/>
Reassess what your child needs.  If he’s not already up and running around, walk over and sit next to him.  Say something like “Ouch – that looked like it hurt.  Do you need a hug?” (for younger children).  “Is there anything I can do to help you feel better?” (for older children).  Provide a hug (or not) accordingly.

Sit quietly until your child seems to calm himself.  When your child is ready, consider replaying the incident without judgment: “It looked like you were walking along the beam and you lost your balance.”  Empathize and acknowledge any new feelings that occur.

&nbsp;
<ol start="4">
 	<li><strong><em>Move on</em></strong></li>
</ol><br/>
<em>When your child is ready, </em>ask a question.  “Would you like to sit here with me for a bit longer or are you ready to play again?” or “Would you like to play some more or would you rather go home now?”  He may have other ideas about what he wants to do, but you may find giving him ideas to be more effective than just asking “what do you want to do now?,” which may simply elicit an “I don’t know.”

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>When you have time, you may find deeper reflection on this topic helpful.</strong>

&nbsp;
<ol>
 	<li>You may find that saying “You’re OK!” has become reflexive for you – you don’t even think about it before you say it. If this is the case, try first simply to notice when you say it – without judging yourself.  Then try to institute the pause that gives you the time you need to think and say something different.</li>
</ol><br/>
&nbsp;
<ol start="2">
 	<li>Spend some time thinking about what skills you think feel are important for your child to learn, and how you can support those through your relationship. If emotional awareness is high on the list, think about the messages you send your child when you discuss those emotions.  If you find that you frequently invalidate those emotions (e.g. “Of course you want to go to school!  You love your teacher!” or “Why wouldn’t you want to go to the party?  All your friends will be there!”) then your words may contradict your intention.  Don’t be afraid to let your child experience her own sadness, frustration, and anger, even as you support her by empathizing with her.  Your child learns more by experiencing them and dealing with them than by suppressing them because you don’t want to hear about them.</li>
</ol><br/>
&nbsp;
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 	<li><a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X15000974">Cultivate a practice of mindfulness</a> – of being in and experiencing the present moment, which can help you to institute that all-important pause, as well as develop your own healthy emotional regulation skills. I’m working on finding someone who might be interested in talking with us about bringing a practice of mindfulness to our parenting, so stay tuned for that.</li>
</ol><br/>
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As always, the references for today’s show can be found on my website at <a href="http://www.yourparentingmojo.com/youreok">www.yourparentingmojo.com/youreok</a>, and please do let me know your thoughts on this shorter episode format by sending an email to jen@yourparentingmojo.com

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&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/youreok]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1757</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/62e1fe7d-51a5-4e1a-bb6e-e968db1110dc/emotional-regulationedited.mp3" length="14936833" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>14:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>“I hear parents on the playground all the time saying “You’re OK!” after their child falls over. Often it does make the child stop crying…but doesn’t it invalidate the child’s feelings?”
It turns out that this question is related to a skill that psychologists call emotional regulation, and learning how to regulate emotions is one of the most important tasks of childhood.
This to-the-point episode is a trial of a shorter form of episode after listeners told me this show is “very dense.”  It’s hard to back off the density, but I can back off the length.  Let me know (via email or the Contact Me, page – not the comments on this episode because I get inundated with spam) what you think…

Other episodes referenced in this show
https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting/ (How parenting affects children’s development)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/divorce/ (How divorce impacts children’s development)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/ (How to scaffold children’s learning)
 
References
Brookshire, B. (2013, May 8). Psychology is WEIRD: Western college students are not the best representatives of human emotion, behavior, and sexuality. Slate. Retrieved from www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/05/weird_psychology_social_science_researchers_rely_too_much_on_western_college.html
Duncan, L.G., Coatsworth, J.D., and Greenberg, M.T. (2009). A model of mindful parenting: Implications for parent-child relationships and prevention research. Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review 12, 255-270.
Keane, S.P., and Calkins, S.D. (2004). Predicting kindergarten peer social status from toddler and preschool problem behavior. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology 32(4), 409-423.
Kopystynska, O., Paschall, K.W., Barnett, M.A., and Curran, M.A. (2017). Patterns of interparental conflict, parenting, and children’s emotional insecurity: A person-centered approach. Journal of Family Psychology 31(7), 922-932.
Roemer, L., Williston, S.K., and Rollins, L.G. (2015). Mindfulness and emotion regulation. Current Opinion in Psychology 3, 52-57.
Rotenberg, K.J., and Eisenberg, N. (1997). Developmental differences in the understanding of and reaction to others’ inhibition of emotional expression. Developmental Psychology 33(3), 526-537.
Sasser, T.R., Bierman, K.L., and Heinrichs, B. (2015). Executive functioning and school adjustment: The mediational role of pre-kindergarten learning-related behaviors. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 30(A), 70-79.
Swain, J.E., Kim, P., and Ho, S.S. (2011). Neuroendocrinology of parental response to baby-cry. Journal of Neuroendochrinology 23(11), 1036-1041.
Trommsdorff, G. (2010). Preschool girls’ distress and mothers’ sensitivity in Japan and Germany. European Journal of Developmental Psychology 7(3), 350-370.
 
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But today’s episode is about the data, not about anecdata.

Zoe in Sydney wrote to me:

<em>A hotly debated topic with my friends has been “sleeping through the night.” My daughter never was great at napping and still wakes up once a night, coming into our bed. We have never been able to do controlled crying etc – I would love to know what science says about sleeping through the night! And what is best for your child (vs the parent). My close friend is a breastfeeding counselor and said they are taught that lots of children don’t <span class="il">sleep</span> through until 4 years old! Other mothers I knew were horrified if their child wasn’t sleeping through by 6 months – and the French talk about their children ‘having their nights’ much earlier…</em>

As I started researching this topic it became clear that sleep is driven to an incredible extent by cultural preferences.  Some (Western) psychologists advocate for letting children Cry It Out, while people in many cultures around the world see putting a child to sleep <em>in their own room</em> (never mind allowing them to cry) as tantamount to child abuse.

So: can we get our children to sleep more?  Is bed-sharing inherently bad?  Does Cry It Out harm the child in some way?  Let’s find out!

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Amoabeng, A.O. (2010). The changes and effect of stress hormone cortisol during extreme diet and exercise. Unpublished Master’s thesis. Boston, MA: Boston University.

<hr />

American Academy of Pediatrics (2016). SIDS and other sleep-related infant deaths: Updated 2016 recommendations for a safe infant sleeping environment. Author. Retrieved from <a href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/10/20/peds.2016-2938">http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/10/20/peds.2016-2938</a>

<hr />

Bernier, A., Carlson, S. M., Bordeleau, S., &amp; Carrier, J. (2010). Relations between physiological and cognitive regulatory systems: Infant sleep regulation and subsequent executive functioning. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>81</em>, 1739–1752.

<hr />

Blampied, N.M. (2013). Functional behavioral analysis of sleep in infants and children. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Burnham, M.M. (2013). Co-sleeping and self-soothing during infancy. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Chess, S., &amp; Thomas, A. (1984). Origins and evolution of behavior disorders. New York, NY: Brunner/Mazel.

<hr />

Crncec, R., Matthey, S., &amp; Nemeth, D. (2010). Infant sleep problems and emotional health: A review of two behavioral approaches. Journal of Reproductive and Infant Psychology 28(1), 44-54.

<hr />

Ferber, R. (1985). Solve your child’s sleep problems. New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

<hr />

France, K.G. (1991). Behavior characteristics and security in sleep-disturbed infants treated with extinction. Journal of Pediatric Psychology 17(4), 467-475.

<hr />

Gaddini, R. (1970. Transitional objects and the process of individuation: A study in three different social groups. Journal of the American Academy of Child Psychiatry 9(2), 347-365.

<hr />

Germo, G.G., Goldberg, W.A., &amp; Keller, M.A. (2009). Learning to sleep through the night: Solution or strain for mothers and young children? Infant Mental Health Journal 30(3), 223-244.

<hr />

Giannotti, F., &amp; Cortesi, F. (2009). Family and cultural influences on sleep development. Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America 18(4), 849-861.

<hr />

Hale, L., Parente, V., &amp; Phillips, G.K. (2013). Social determinants of children’s sleep. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Healey, D., France, K.G., &amp; Blampied, N.M. (2009). Treating sleep disturbances in infants: What generalizes? Behavioral Interventions 24, 23-41.

<hr />

Hiscock, H., Bayer, J., Gold, L., Hampton, A., Okuomunne, O.C., &amp; Wake, M. (2006). Improving infant sleep and maternal mental health: A cluster randomized trial. Archives of Disease in Childhood 92, 952-958.

<hr />

Hupp, S., &amp; Jewell, J. (2014). Great myths of child development. New York, NY: John Wiley &amp; Sons.

<hr />

Jenni, O.G., &amp; O’Connor, B.B. (2005). Children’s sleep: An interplay between culture and biology. Pediatrics 115(1), 204-216.

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Lushington, K., Pamula, Y., Martin, J., &amp; Kennedy, J.D. (2013). The relationship between sleep and daytime cognitive/behavioral functioning: Infancy and preschool years. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

McKenna, J.J., Ball, H.L., &amp; Gettler, L.T. (2007). Mother-infant cosleeping, breastfeeding, and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome: What biological anthropology has discovered about normal infant sleep and pediatric sleep medicine.  Yearbook of Physical Anthropology 50, 133-161.

<hr />

Meleva-Seitz, V.R., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M.J., Battaini, C., &amp; Luijk, M.P.C.M. (2015). Parent-child bed-sharing: The good, the bad, and the burden of evidence. Sleep Medicine Reviews. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298427230_Parent-child_bed-sharing_The_good_the_bad_and_the_burden_of_evidence

<hr />

Mindell, J.A., Du Mond, C.E., Sadeh, A., Telofski, L.S., Kulkarni, N., &amp; Gunn, E. (2011). Efficacy of an internet-based intervention for infant and toddler sleep disturbances. Sleep 34(4), 451-458B.

<hr />

Neff, J. (2016, February 24). Time to a mobile sleep app – More products in carts. AdAge. Retrieved from http://adage.com/article/digital/j-j-research-led-bath-time-a-mobile-sleep-app/302776/

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Pantley, E. (2002). The no-cry sleep solution. New York, NY: Contemporary Books.

<hr />

Price, A.M.H., Wake, M., Ukoumunne, O.C., &amp; Hiscock, H. (2012). Five-year follow-up of harms and benefits of behavioral infant sleep intervention: Randomized trial. Pediatrics 130(4), 643-651.

<hr />

Santos, I.S., Bassani, D.G., Matijasevich, A., Halal, C.S., Del-Ponte, B., Henriquez da Cruz, S., Anselmi, L. Albernaz, E., Fernandes, M., Tovo-Rodriguez, L., Silveira, M.D., &amp; Hallal, P.C. (2016). Infant sleep hygiene counseling (sleep trial): Protocol of a randomized controlled trial. BMC Psychiatry 16(1), 307.

<hr />

Sears, W., Sears, R., Sears, J., &amp; Sears, M. (2005). The baby sleep book. New York, NY: Little, Brown &amp; Company.

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Super, C.M., &amp; Harkness, S. (2013). Culture and children’s sleep. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

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Teti, D.M., Kim, B.R., Mayer, G., &amp; Countermine, M. (2010). Maternal emotional availability at bedtime predicts infant sleep quality. Journal of Family Psychology 24(3), 307-315.

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Weinraub, M., Friedman, S.L., Knoke, B., Houts, R., Bender, R.H., Susman, E.J., Bradley, R., &amp; Williams, J. (2012). Patterns of developmental change in infants’ nighttime sleep awakenings from 6 through 26 months of age. Developmental Psychology 48(6), 1511-1528.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Before we start today, I just wanted to take a minute and mention what happens around here on the weeks when you don’t hear an episode, because I have a suspicion based on my download patterns that most of you are subscribed to the show through iTunes rather than through my website, which means you’re kind of missing out.  On the weeks when I don’t publish an episode, I send out a newsletter instead – and this is not just any old newsletter.  I keep track of new research and articles related to both child development and education over the previous couple of weeks, and I select the best of them for the newsletter.  Then I don’t just tell you about the new studies and articles, but locate them in the rest of the literature on the topic by helping you to understand how the new work adds to our understanding, and what we’re still lacking.  I also post calls for questions on topics I’ve already decided to do episodes on (and your questions not only get onto the list of questions that I end up asking the interviewee, but also help me to decide which interviewee to ask in the first place), and mention ideas I’m considering for future episodes to see whether you all are interested in them or not.  Finally, I also use the newsletters to do a Q&amp;A on difficult or controversial topics – so after I did the episode on potty training recently, listeners emailed me with their questions and I answered them in a newsletter a few weeks later.  Pretty often I end up in an email conversation with the people who write to me about the topics they’re...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“HOW DO I GET MY CHILD TO SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT?!” is the thinly-veiled message under the surface of many of the emails that I get about sleep.  And I don’t blame you.  I don’t claim to be a magician in this regard, although I did get incredibly, amazingly lucky – my daughter put in her first eight-hour night at six weeks old, and has regularly slept through the night for longer than I can remember.  I’m really genuinely not sure I could parent if things weren’t like this.

But today’s episode is about the data, not about anecdata.

Zoe in Sydney wrote to me:

<em>A hotly debated topic with my friends has been “sleeping through the night.” My daughter never was great at napping and still wakes up once a night, coming into our bed. We have never been able to do controlled crying etc – I would love to know what science says about sleeping through the night! And what is best for your child (vs the parent). My close friend is a breastfeeding counselor and said they are taught that lots of children don’t <span class="il">sleep</span> through until 4 years old! Other mothers I knew were horrified if their child wasn’t sleeping through by 6 months – and the French talk about their children ‘having their nights’ much earlier…</em>

As I started researching this topic it became clear that sleep is driven to an incredible extent by cultural preferences.  Some (Western) psychologists advocate for letting children Cry It Out, while people in many cultures around the world see putting a child to sleep <em>in their own room</em> (never mind allowing them to cry) as tantamount to child abuse.

So: can we get our children to sleep more?  Is bed-sharing inherently bad?  Does Cry It Out harm the child in some way?  Let’s find out!

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Amoabeng, A.O. (2010). The changes and effect of stress hormone cortisol during extreme diet and exercise. Unpublished Master’s thesis. Boston, MA: Boston University.

<hr />

American Academy of Pediatrics (2016). SIDS and other sleep-related infant deaths: Updated 2016 recommendations for a safe infant sleeping environment. Author. Retrieved from <a href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/10/20/peds.2016-2938">http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/10/20/peds.2016-2938</a>

<hr />

Bernier, A., Carlson, S. M., Bordeleau, S., &amp; Carrier, J. (2010). Relations between physiological and cognitive regulatory systems: Infant sleep regulation and subsequent executive functioning. <em>Child Development</em>, <em>81</em>, 1739–1752.

<hr />

Blampied, N.M. (2013). Functional behavioral analysis of sleep in infants and children. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Burnham, M.M. (2013). Co-sleeping and self-soothing during infancy. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Chess, S., &amp; Thomas, A. (1984). Origins and evolution of behavior disorders. New York, NY: Brunner/Mazel.

<hr />

Crncec, R., Matthey, S., &amp; Nemeth, D. (2010). Infant sleep problems and emotional health: A review of two behavioral approaches. Journal of Reproductive and Infant Psychology 28(1), 44-54.

<hr />

Ferber, R. (1985). Solve your child’s sleep problems. New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

<hr />

France, K.G. (1991). Behavior characteristics and security in sleep-disturbed infants treated with extinction. Journal of Pediatric Psychology 17(4), 467-475.

<hr />

Gaddini, R. (1970. Transitional objects and the process of individuation: A study in three different social groups. Journal of the American Academy of Child Psychiatry 9(2), 347-365.

<hr />

Germo, G.G., Goldberg, W.A., &amp; Keller, M.A. (2009). Learning to sleep through the night: Solution or strain for mothers and young children? Infant Mental Health Journal 30(3), 223-244.

<hr />

Giannotti, F., &amp; Cortesi, F. (2009). Family and cultural influences on sleep development. Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America 18(4), 849-861.

<hr />

Hale, L., Parente, V., &amp; Phillips, G.K. (2013). Social determinants of children’s sleep. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Healey, D., France, K.G., &amp; Blampied, N.M. (2009). Treating sleep disturbances in infants: What generalizes? Behavioral Interventions 24, 23-41.

<hr />

Hiscock, H., Bayer, J., Gold, L., Hampton, A., Okuomunne, O.C., &amp; Wake, M. (2006). Improving infant sleep and maternal mental health: A cluster randomized trial. Archives of Disease in Childhood 92, 952-958.

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Hupp, S., &amp; Jewell, J. (2014). Great myths of child development. New York, NY: John Wiley &amp; Sons.

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Jenni, O.G., &amp; O’Connor, B.B. (2005). Children’s sleep: An interplay between culture and biology. Pediatrics 115(1), 204-216.

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Lushington, K., Pamula, Y., Martin, J., &amp; Kennedy, J.D. (2013). The relationship between sleep and daytime cognitive/behavioral functioning: Infancy and preschool years. In A. Wolfson &amp; H. Montgomery-Downs (Eds.), The Oxford handbook of infant, child, and adolescent sleep and behavior. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford University Press.

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McKenna, J.J., Ball, H.L., &amp; Gettler, L.T. (2007). Mother-infant cosleeping, breastfeeding, and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome: What biological anthropology has discovered about normal infant sleep and pediatric sleep medicine.  Yearbook of Physical Anthropology 50, 133-161.

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Meleva-Seitz, V.R., Bakermans-Kranenburg, M.J., Battaini, C., &amp; Luijk, M.P.C.M. (2015). Parent-child bed-sharing: The good, the bad, and the burden of evidence. Sleep Medicine Reviews. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298427230_Parent-child_bed-sharing_The_good_the_bad_and_the_burden_of_evidence

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Before we start today, I just wanted to take a minute and mention what happens around here on the weeks when you don’t hear an episode, because I have a suspicion based on my download patterns that most of you are subscribed to the show through iTunes rather than through my website, which means you’re kind of missing out.  On the weeks when I don’t publish an episode, I send out a newsletter instead – and this is not just any old newsletter.  I keep track of new research and articles related to both child development and education over the previous couple of weeks, and I select the best of them for the newsletter.  Then I don’t just tell you about the new studies and articles, but locate them in the rest of the literature on the topic by helping you to understand how the new work adds to our understanding, and what we’re still lacking.  I also post calls for questions on topics I’ve already decided to do episodes on (and your questions not only get onto the list of questions that I end up asking the interviewee, but also help me to decide which interviewee to ask in the first place), and mention ideas I’m considering for future episodes to see whether you all are interested in them or not.  Finally, I also use the newsletters to do a Q&amp;A on difficult or controversial topics – so after I did the episode on potty training recently, listeners emailed me with their questions and I answered them in a newsletter a few weeks later.  Pretty often I end up in an email conversation with the people who write to me about the topics they’re interested in, which I really enjoy and I hope is useful to them as well.  So if you’re really interested in this research and in having me do all the work in terms of keeping on top of it for you, you really should head over to yourparentingmojo.com and enter your email address in the box at the top of the screen to subscribe there.  As I’ve mentioned before, if you’re only subscribed through iTunes I never get your email address and I actually never even find out that you subscribed, so there’s no way for me to send a newsletter to you.  So head on over to yourparentingmojo.com and subscribe to the show!

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Seems like we’re on a roll lately with topics that I’ve resisted doing for a while – we did an episode recently on potty training, or ‘toilet learning,’ as I prefer to call it.  And I’ve been getting quite a lot of questions over the last few months about sleep – mostly around how to get more of it.  I’d resisted doing an episode on this for much the same reason as the potty training episode – there are books out there on this topic as well, and Facebook groups, and plenty of people making a living from doing nothing but advising parents on how to get their children to sleep.  But the questions kept coming!  And so we’re going to talk about them today.  We’ll do what we usually do with these kinds of episodes – take a tour through the anthropological literature and find out just how weird our Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic societies are, and from there we’ll reframe how we look at children and sleep before we discuss ways that we can all get more of it.  And I should say that as is typical with the show, we’ll look at sleep primarily through the lens of caring for toddlers and preschoolers.  We’ll detour perhaps a little more than usual into learning about younger babies just because that’s the population on whom a lot of research has been done, but we’ll focus primarily on the types of problems that parents of toddlers and preschoolers tend to have, and what we can do about them.

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Let’s talk just a little first about why children sleep – it’s because they really do need to do it!  Just a couple of the amazing things that happen during sleep is that memories are consolidated, stabilized, and perhaps enhanced (which has obvious implications for a child’s performance in school), and memories may actually be assimilated into the child’s cognitive matrix, which allows a cohesive view of the individual’s world to develop.  Pretty cool stuff.  Sleep problems in childhood are associated with memory and learning impairments, difficulty in regulating mood, attention and behavioral problems, as well as hyperactivity and impulsivity.  Short sleep duration is associated with overweight in childhood, although I should caution that for many of these issues we aren’t sure whether sleep problems cause these effects or whether these effects cause the sleep problems.  So not getting enough sleep is a problem because when you don’t sleep as much you miss out on all the benefits of sleep that we’re really only just starting to understand.

So the first place I looked when I wanted to learn more about how children sleep in other cultures was David Lancy’s book The Anthropology of Childhood, and I was absolutely shocked to find that there’s nothing at all in it about sleep.  Luckily there is some published literature about it and all the studies seem to pretty much give the tour of the same cultures and their approaches to sleep.

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For something that is such a biological NEED as sleep, I was surprised to find the extent to which sleep patterns are culturally determined.  I’m sure many of you are aware of the differences in sleep patterns between Japanese and Western societies – in the West, we encourage children to sleep in their own beds in their own rooms from a very young age, while children in Japan share a bed with one or both parents for many years.  Bed-sharing is typically frowned on in Western cultures; I regularly see signs on buses in my town discouraging parents from bed-sharing, which is more common in African American than White communities in the U.S.  In 2011 the Milwaukee Health Department ran an advertising campaign that showed a beautiful sleeping baby with a large knife lying next to her, with the tag line “your baby sleeping with you can be just as dangerous.”  The American Academy of Pediatrics specifically recommends that infants sleep in the parents’ room, close to the parents’ bed but on a separate surface designed for infants, ideally for the first year of life, but at least for the first six months.  The recommendations go on to list a variety of bed-sharing arrangements that increase the risk of SIDS or unintentional injury or death while bed-sharing, including the child’s age being less than four months, bed-sharing with a current smoker, with anyone who is not the infant’s parent, including nonparental caregivers and other children, and with soft bedding accessories like pillows and blankets.  If we follow the AAP’s guidelines, which I have to say are extremely well-referenced, we’d all be terrified of bedsharing and we would think that nobody in the world would ever do it.  Which would be rather strange, because it turns out that a lot of people in the world do do it, probably in part because bed sharing was very much the norm as our species evolved.  Infants have a need for food (which was historically delivered solely from the mother’s breast) at regular intervals as well as the sensory maternal-infant exchange involving touch, smell, movement, sound, and taste – together, this package represents the only physiological and behavioral environment that the infant is adapted to.  This is not to say that infants aren’t resilient and can’t adapt to new circumstances but we should acknowledge that it’s a cultural shift in Western countries that has precipitated a desire to have children sleep through the night in their own rooms.  So when we read studies that discuss giving parents literature to read that discusses “normal sleep patterns at 6-12 months,” we should be very cognizant that the definition of “normal” is culturally-bound, and that in many cultures what we think of as “normal” is actually thought of as “not normal” and even “unkind.”

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Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised to find that there’s a link between cultures that value interdependence between people and co-sleeping, and cultures that value independence and individualism and sleeping alone.  In non-western countries, cosleeping is very much more common than in western countries. Ninety-three percent of Indian children aged 3 to 10 years cosleep, as do 80% of Japanese infants, who typically stay in the parental bed until at least school age.  45% of Korean children aged between 1 and 7 bed share, as do 45% of Egyptian families where the bed typically has up to four sleepers.  Cosleeping is common in Brazil: from isolated communities of indigenous people to the urbanites in Sao Paolo, not less than 80% of children under 10 years of age co-sleep with parents.  So in almost all cultures around the world, babies sleep with an adult, while older children sleep with parents or other siblings.

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I should also be clear that I’m not for or against co-sleeping; we didn’t do it in our household primarily because I found I couldn’t sleep with my daughter in our bed.  She spent her first four months in a bassinet right next to our bed and most of the time she could be lifted back into it after nursing in the night.  Occasionally in the early mornings she would fuss and seem like she might not settle so I would leave her in bed with us, with her taking up over a third of the bed next to the bed rail, my husband taking up over a third on the other side, and me jammed in the middle unable to move for fear of waking someone up or squashing them.  I could sleep with just her in the bed if my husband was out, but he’s not really the type to relocate himself out of the marital bed so we stuck with the bassinet.

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So why the huge disconnect between Western cultures and the rest of the world when it comes to bed sharing?  Well, there are a number of factors at play which are reviewed in an excellent paper by Professor McKenna at the University of Notre Dame, who holds pretty interesting dual appointments in the Department of Anthropology as well as in the Behavioral Sleep Laboratory.  He tells the following story: apparently during the last 500 years in major European cities, a relatively sizeable number of poor women with no access to birth control confessed to Catholic priests that they had deliberately laid on and smothered their infants as a way of controlling their family size.  The priests threatened excommunication, fines, and imprisonment, and infants were at some point in this period “banned” from parental beds.  The legacy of these events have converged with other changing customs and values such as the rise of privacy, self-reliance, and individualism that support the children’s place of rest being in a different room and not just a different bed in the parental bedroom.  The rise of romantic love made a further contribution to prevent the child from intruding on the conjugal bond; Freud was a proponent of the idea that children should not watch their parents’ sexual activities, although more recent research has shown that children are not harmed by seeing these activities early in life.  The role of fathers shifted as well, as the father-figure became authoritarian figures who engaged in limited physical contact with their children.  In the early part of this century, psychologists, pediatricians, and new-found ‘parenting experts’ promoted allegedly science-based sleep patterns that were compatible with the western cultural values of individualism and autonomy.  In the second half of this century we became especially enamoured of technological solutions to...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/sleep]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1754</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6ace20e4-a312-416b-8548-818c5ac6b613/sleep.mp3" length="45448332" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>&quot;HOW DO I GET MY CHILD TO SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT?!&quot; is the thinly-veiled message under the surface of many of the emails that I get about sleep.  And I don&apos;t blame you.  I don&apos;t claim to be a magician in this regard, although I did get incredibly, amazingly lucky - my daughter put in her first eight-hour night at six weeks old, and has regularly slept through the night for longer than I can remember.  I&apos;m really genuinely not sure I could parent if things weren&apos;t like this.

But today&apos;s episode is about the data, not about anecdata.

Zoe in Sydney wrote to me:

A hotly debated topic with my friends has been &quot;sleeping through the night.&quot; My daughter never was great at napping and still wakes up once a night, coming into our bed. We have never been able to do controlled crying etc - I would love to know what science says about sleeping through the night! And what is best for your child (vs the parent). My close friend is a breastfeeding counselor and said they are taught that lots of children don&apos;t sleep through until 4 years old! Other mothers I knew were horrified if their child wasn&apos;t sleeping through by 6 months - and the French talk about their children &apos;having their nights&apos; much earlier...

As I started researching this topic it became clear that sleep is driven to an incredible extent by cultural preferences.  Some (Western) psychologists advocate for letting children Cry It Out, while people in many cultures around the world see putting a child to sleep in their own room (never mind allowing them to cry) as tantamount to child abuse.

So: can we get our children to sleep more?  Is bed-sharing inherently bad?  Does Cry It Out harm the child in some way?  Let&apos;s find out!</itunes:summary></item><item><title>052: Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</title><itunes:title>052: Grit: The unique factor in your child’s success?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In Professor Angela Duckworth’s <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/angela_lee_duckworth_grit_the_power_of_passion_and_perseverance">TED talk</a>, she says of her research: <em><strong>“One characteristic emerged as a significant predictor of success.  And it wasn’t social intelligence.  It wasn’t good looks, physical health, and it wasn’t IQ.  It was grit.”</strong></em>

The effusive blurbs on the book cover go even beyond Professor Duckworth’s own dramatic pronouncements: Daniel Gilbert, the author of Stumbling on Happiness, says:  <strong><em>“</em><em>Psychologists have spent decades searching for the secret of success, but Duckworth is the one who has found it…She not only tells us what it is, but how to get it.” </em> </strong>

Susan Cain, author of Quiet: The power of introverts in a world that can’t stop talking (which we’ve looked at previously in an <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/introversion/">episode on supporting your introverted child</a>) says: <strong><em>“Impressively fresh and original…Grit scrubs away preconceptions about how far our potential can take us…Buy this, send copies to your friends, and tell the world that there is, in fact, hope.  We can all dazzle.” </em></strong>

Don’t we all want to dazzle?  Don’t we all want our children to dazzle?  Is grit the thing that will help them do it?

It turns out that Professor Duckworth’s own research says: <em>perhaps not</em>.  Listen in to learn how much grit is a good thing, how to help your child be grittier, and why it might not be the factor that assures their success.

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<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/introversion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to support your introverted child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfesteem/">Why you shouldn’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a>

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Crede, M., Tynan, M.C., &amp; Harms, P.D. (2017). Much ado about grit: A meta-analytic synthesis of the grit literature. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 113</em>(3), 492-511.

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Del Giudice, M. (2014, October 14). Grit trumps talent and IQ: A story every parent (and educator) should read. National Geographic. Retrieved from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141015-angela-duckworth-success-grit-psychology-self-control-science-nginnovators/

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Denby, D. (2016, June 21). The limits of “grit.” The New Yorker. Retrieved from https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-limits-of-grit

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Duckworth, A.L., Peterson, C., Matthews, M.D., &amp; Kelly, D.R. (2007). Grit: Perseverance and passion for long-term goals. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 92</em>(6), 1087-1101. Full article available at https://www.ronaldreaganhs.org/cms/lib7/WI01001304/Centricity/Domain/187/Grit%20JPSP.pdf

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Duckworth, A.L., &amp; Yeager, D.S. (2015). Measurement matters: Assessing personal qualities other than cognitive abilities for educational purposes. <em>Educational Researcher 44</em>(4), 237-251.

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Duckworth, A.L. (2016). <em><a href="http://amzn.to/2FbPJhw">Grit: The power of passion and perseverance</a>.</em> New York, NY: Scribner. (Affiliate link)

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Eskreis-Winkler, L., Shulman, E.P., Young, V., Tsukayama, E., Brunwasaser, S.M., &amp; Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Using wise interventions to motivate deliberate practice. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 111</em>(5), 728-744.

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Farrington, C.A., Roderick, M., Allensworth, E., Nagoka, J., Keyes, T.S., Johnson, D.W., &amp; Beechum, N.O. (2012). Teaching adolescents to become learners: The role of noncognitive factors in shaping school performance: A critical literature review. The University of Chicago Consortium on Chicago School Research. Retrieved from https://consortium.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Noncognitive%20Report.pdf

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Forsyth, D.R., &amp; Kerr, N.A. (1999, August). <em>Are adaptive illusions adaptive?</em> Poster presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association, Boston, MA.

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Hannon, B. (2014). Predicting college success: The relative contributions of five social/personality factors, five cognitive/earning factors, and SAT scores.  <em>Journal of Educational and Training Studies 2</em>(4), 46-58.

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Heckman, J.J. (2013). <em>Giving kids a fair chance (A strategy that works).</em> Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.

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Kamenetz, A. (2016, May 25). MacArthur ‘genius’ Angela Duckworth responds to a new critique of grit. NPR. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit">http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit</a>

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Kapoor, M.L. (2017, June 27). 12 books expelled from Tucson schools. High Country News. Retrieved from http://www.hcn.org/articles/education-tucsons-mexican-american-studies-ban-goes-back-to-court

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Kohn, A. (2014). Grit: A skeptical look at the latest educational fad. Author. Retrieved from http://www.alfiekohn.org/article/grit/

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No byline. (1998, March 15). Weddings; Jason Duckworth, Angela Lee. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/15/style/weddings-jason-duckworth-angela-lee.html

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Sparks, S.D. (2015, June 2). ‘Nation’s Report Card’ to gather data on grit, mindset. Education Week. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html">http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html</a>

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The Leadership Conference. (2015, May 5). Civil rights groups: “We oppose anti-testing efforts.” Author. Retrieved from https://civilrights.org/civil-rights-groups-we-oppose-anti-testing-efforts/

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The Learning Project Elementary School. Website. Author. Retrieved from http://www.learningproject.org/

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The Nation’s Report Card (n.d.). Percentage of fourth-grade students at or above Proficient not significantly different compared to 2013. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4">https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4</a>

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Tough, P. (2016). Helping children succeed: What works and why. Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

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Useem, J. (2016, May). Is grit overrated: The downsides of dogged, single-minded persistence. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/is-grit-overrated/476397/

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Zernike, K. (2016, February 29). Testing for joy and grit? Schools nationwide push to measure students’ emotional skills. The New York Times. Retrieved from https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/testing-for-joy-and-grit-schools-nationwide-push-to-measure-students-emotional-skills.html?_r=0

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have a pretty interesting topic lined up for today, or I think so at least: we’re going to talk about grit.  If you’ve heard about grit over the last couple of years it’s probably because of one woman named Angela Duckworth, who is a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and who invented what she calls The Grit Scale – she won a MacArthur Genius award for her research on grit in 2013.  She tells a story about how she developed this scale that goes like this: several years ago the U.S. Army was having trouble figuring out which of their 1200 new cadets were going to make it through the grueling 7-week training program at West Point, and which were going to flunk out.  They had developed their own measure called the Whole Candidate Score, which was a weighted average of SAT or ACT exam scores, high school rank, expert appraisal of leadership potential, and performance on physical fitness tests, but it turned out that the Whole Candidate Score actually wasn’t very good at predicting who would make it through the 7-week training.  In 2004, Professor Duckworth gave the Grit Scale that she’d been developing to the incoming class of West Point cadets which asks questions like how likely you are to get discouraged by setbacks and how often your interests change, and it turned out that while the quitters had indistinguishable Whole Candidate Scores from the cadets who made it through the training, the Grit Scale was an “astoundingly reliable” predictor of who made it through training and who did not.

At this point you might be wondering how gritty you are yourself which is easy to test: just Google “Grit Scale” and hit the first link that pops up; I’ll put the link in the references as well.  (I just took it and I scored 4.5 on a scale of 1-5, which is apparently higher than 90% of the population “in a recent study” that isn’t named).  I guess I’m not enormously surprised; I think of myself as a pretty determined person; I think carefully before signing up to a project or a goal but once I sign up I’m *in* and am 100% committed to the end.  So grit isn’t about talent or luck or how intensely you might want something *in the moment,* but instead it’s about your passion and perseverance for long-term goals.  The test is pretty easy to fake, though – it’s not hard to guess what the ‘right’ answer is when you have to rate your response to the statement “I am a hard worker” or “I am diligent. I never give up.”

Professor Duckworth wrote about all this in her 2016 book “Grit: The power of passion and perseverance,”...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In Professor Angela Duckworth’s <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/angela_lee_duckworth_grit_the_power_of_passion_and_perseverance">TED talk</a>, she says of her research: <em><strong>“One characteristic emerged as a significant predictor of success.  And it wasn’t social intelligence.  It wasn’t good looks, physical health, and it wasn’t IQ.  It was grit.”</strong></em>

The effusive blurbs on the book cover go even beyond Professor Duckworth’s own dramatic pronouncements: Daniel Gilbert, the author of Stumbling on Happiness, says:  <strong><em>“</em><em>Psychologists have spent decades searching for the secret of success, but Duckworth is the one who has found it…She not only tells us what it is, but how to get it.” </em> </strong>

Susan Cain, author of Quiet: The power of introverts in a world that can’t stop talking (which we’ve looked at previously in an <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/introversion/">episode on supporting your introverted child</a>) says: <strong><em>“Impressively fresh and original…Grit scrubs away preconceptions about how far our potential can take us…Buy this, send copies to your friends, and tell the world that there is, in fact, hope.  We can all dazzle.” </em></strong>

Don’t we all want to dazzle?  Don’t we all want our children to dazzle?  Is grit the thing that will help them do it?

It turns out that Professor Duckworth’s own research says: <em>perhaps not</em>.  Listen in to learn how much grit is a good thing, how to help your child be grittier, and why it might not be the factor that assures their success.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/introversion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to support your introverted child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfesteem/">Why you shouldn’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Crede, M., Tynan, M.C., &amp; Harms, P.D. (2017). Much ado about grit: A meta-analytic synthesis of the grit literature. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 113</em>(3), 492-511.

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Del Giudice, M. (2014, October 14). Grit trumps talent and IQ: A story every parent (and educator) should read. National Geographic. Retrieved from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141015-angela-duckworth-success-grit-psychology-self-control-science-nginnovators/

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Denby, D. (2016, June 21). The limits of “grit.” The New Yorker. Retrieved from https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-limits-of-grit

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Duckworth, A.L., Peterson, C., Matthews, M.D., &amp; Kelly, D.R. (2007). Grit: Perseverance and passion for long-term goals. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 92</em>(6), 1087-1101. Full article available at https://www.ronaldreaganhs.org/cms/lib7/WI01001304/Centricity/Domain/187/Grit%20JPSP.pdf

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Duckworth, A.L., &amp; Yeager, D.S. (2015). Measurement matters: Assessing personal qualities other than cognitive abilities for educational purposes. <em>Educational Researcher 44</em>(4), 237-251.

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Duckworth, A.L. (2016). <em><a href="http://amzn.to/2FbPJhw">Grit: The power of passion and perseverance</a>.</em> New York, NY: Scribner. (Affiliate link)

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Eskreis-Winkler, L., Shulman, E.P., Young, V., Tsukayama, E., Brunwasaser, S.M., &amp; Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Using wise interventions to motivate deliberate practice. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 111</em>(5), 728-744.

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Farrington, C.A., Roderick, M., Allensworth, E., Nagoka, J., Keyes, T.S., Johnson, D.W., &amp; Beechum, N.O. (2012). Teaching adolescents to become learners: The role of noncognitive factors in shaping school performance: A critical literature review. The University of Chicago Consortium on Chicago School Research. Retrieved from https://consortium.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Noncognitive%20Report.pdf

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Forsyth, D.R., &amp; Kerr, N.A. (1999, August). <em>Are adaptive illusions adaptive?</em> Poster presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association, Boston, MA.

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Hannon, B. (2014). Predicting college success: The relative contributions of five social/personality factors, five cognitive/earning factors, and SAT scores.  <em>Journal of Educational and Training Studies 2</em>(4), 46-58.

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Heckman, J.J. (2013). <em>Giving kids a fair chance (A strategy that works).</em> Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.

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Kamenetz, A. (2016, May 25). MacArthur ‘genius’ Angela Duckworth responds to a new critique of grit. NPR. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit">http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/05/25/479172868/angela-duckworth-responds-to-a-new-critique-of-grit</a>

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Kapoor, M.L. (2017, June 27). 12 books expelled from Tucson schools. High Country News. Retrieved from http://www.hcn.org/articles/education-tucsons-mexican-american-studies-ban-goes-back-to-court

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Kohn, A. (2014). Grit: A skeptical look at the latest educational fad. Author. Retrieved from http://www.alfiekohn.org/article/grit/

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No byline. (1998, March 15). Weddings; Jason Duckworth, Angela Lee. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/15/style/weddings-jason-duckworth-angela-lee.html

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Sparks, S.D. (2015, June 2). ‘Nation’s Report Card’ to gather data on grit, mindset. Education Week. Retrieved from <a href="http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html">http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2015/06/03/nations-report-card-to-gather-data-on.html</a>

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The Leadership Conference. (2015, May 5). Civil rights groups: “We oppose anti-testing efforts.” Author. Retrieved from https://civilrights.org/civil-rights-groups-we-oppose-anti-testing-efforts/

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The Learning Project Elementary School. Website. Author. Retrieved from http://www.learningproject.org/

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The Nation’s Report Card (n.d.). Percentage of fourth-grade students at or above Proficient not significantly different compared to 2013. Author. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4">https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_2015/#reading/acl?grade=4</a>

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Tough, P. (2016). Helping children succeed: What works and why. Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

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Useem, J. (2016, May). Is grit overrated: The downsides of dogged, single-minded persistence. The Atlantic. Retrieved from https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/is-grit-overrated/476397/

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Zernike, K. (2016, February 29). Testing for joy and grit? Schools nationwide push to measure students’ emotional skills. The New York Times. Retrieved from https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/testing-for-joy-and-grit-schools-nationwide-push-to-measure-students-emotional-skills.html?_r=0

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have a pretty interesting topic lined up for today, or I think so at least: we’re going to talk about grit.  If you’ve heard about grit over the last couple of years it’s probably because of one woman named Angela Duckworth, who is a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and who invented what she calls The Grit Scale – she won a MacArthur Genius award for her research on grit in 2013.  She tells a story about how she developed this scale that goes like this: several years ago the U.S. Army was having trouble figuring out which of their 1200 new cadets were going to make it through the grueling 7-week training program at West Point, and which were going to flunk out.  They had developed their own measure called the Whole Candidate Score, which was a weighted average of SAT or ACT exam scores, high school rank, expert appraisal of leadership potential, and performance on physical fitness tests, but it turned out that the Whole Candidate Score actually wasn’t very good at predicting who would make it through the 7-week training.  In 2004, Professor Duckworth gave the Grit Scale that she’d been developing to the incoming class of West Point cadets which asks questions like how likely you are to get discouraged by setbacks and how often your interests change, and it turned out that while the quitters had indistinguishable Whole Candidate Scores from the cadets who made it through the training, the Grit Scale was an “astoundingly reliable” predictor of who made it through training and who did not.

At this point you might be wondering how gritty you are yourself which is easy to test: just Google “Grit Scale” and hit the first link that pops up; I’ll put the link in the references as well.  (I just took it and I scored 4.5 on a scale of 1-5, which is apparently higher than 90% of the population “in a recent study” that isn’t named).  I guess I’m not enormously surprised; I think of myself as a pretty determined person; I think carefully before signing up to a project or a goal but once I sign up I’m *in* and am 100% committed to the end.  So grit isn’t about talent or luck or how intensely you might want something *in the moment,* but instead it’s about your passion and perseverance for long-term goals.  The test is pretty easy to fake, though – it’s not hard to guess what the ‘right’ answer is when you have to rate your response to the statement “I am a hard worker” or “I am diligent. I never give up.”

Professor Duckworth wrote about all this in her 2016 book “Grit: The power of passion and perseverance,” which I read recently.  My first instinct after reading a book that seems pretty good and is well-referenced is to reach out to the author and ask if she might like to be interviewed, but then I started doing some reading around.  The first thing I found was a long profile of her in National Geographic, of all places, saying that she routinely declines requests for interviews, including the one from the National Geographic journalist, who finally tracked down her personal phone number and reached her directly – apparently the journalist’s grittiness persuaded Professor Duckworth to do the interview.  And then secondly I found some studies saying that maybe – just maybe – grit isn’t quite such the big deal that Professor Duckworth makes it out to be – she hopes it will be the thing we can teach poor children that will help them to succeed in school, and it turns out that that is far from clear.  So ultimately I decided we could have more fun by digging into this ourselves and seeing, by the end of the episode, whether grit is a trait we want to try to encourage in our children – or not.

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So we’ve said that grit is about passion and perseverance.  Professor Duckworth spends most of her book talking about the perseverance side of the equation, so we’ll just touch briefly on passion first.  Passion is sparked by an interest; an intrinsic enjoyment in what you do.  I wrote my psychology master’s thesis on what motivates children to learn so I can say she’s right on the mark here; we don’t know much about what it is that get us interested in a topic, but once we are interested in it if we learn more about it (and are encouraged to learn more about it by the people we love), that interest can blossom into a passion.  Professor Duckworth provides case studies throughout the book of highly successful people she’s interviewed, as well as some highly successful people who she apparently wasn’t able to interview but she read their books and quotes them as if she had interviewed them, and I think it’s fair to say that all of them were passionate about their work.  This isn’t too hard to wrap your head around; a lot of studies have come to the conclusion that people are not only happier but they perform better when they are interested in their work.  For many people, this interest is linked to the concept of purpose – the idea that their work somehow matters in the world, because it’s connected to the wellbeing of others (or, I suppose to another thing, like the planet).  As a side note, the book never resolves the tension between applying the concept of grit to classroom-based learning, and the fact that interest and passion are a key component of grit.  Unfortunately, much of learning in school is not based on students’ interest; it’s based on what other people say they think students *should* find interesting.  So in a way, if we’re looking at grit as a way of improving student outcomes (which Professor Duckworth apparently hopes we can do), we’re trying to improve students’ perseverance on things they don’t care much about.  It seems like that could be a problem.  But we’ll come back to that later.

In addition to passion and purpose, Professor Duckworth briefly mentions that hope is apparently important as well; a rising-to-the-occasion kind of perseverance that keeps us going when things get tough, and to get back up when we get knocked down.

But the bulk of the book is dedicated to the perseverance component of grit, so that’s where we’re going to spend the most time as well.  Professor Duckworth describes perseverance as the capacity to practice – after you’ve developed an interest in an area, it’s the devotion to a rigorous, committed, never-ending practice that leads to mastery.  It’s finding your weaknesses and addressing them, day after day, and saying “whatever it takes, I want to improve!.”  Our society is actually quite biased against the kind of practice it takes to be great.  We want to believe it happened because a person was deeply talented.  Professor Chia-Jung Tsay at University College London conducted an experiment where she had professional musicians listen to clips of two musicians playing the piano – one is described as an innately talented player while the other is a ‘striver’ who has worked hard.  The professional researchers didn’t know that the two players were actually the same player, playing different parts of the same piece.  In direct contradiction to their stated beliefs about the importance of effort versus talent, the professional musicians said the naturally talented pianists to be more likely to succeed and more hireable.  In a follow-up study, a set of adults read a profile of a ‘striver’ entrepreneur, while another set read a profile of a ‘naturally talented’ entrepreneur.  All participants then listened to the same audio recording of a business proposal and were told it was made by the entrepreneur they’d read about.  Again, the naturally talented entrepreneur was judged as more likely to be successful and more hireable.  When the participants were asked to back one entrepreneur or the other, the striver had to have four more years of leadership experience and an additional $40,000 in start-up capital before the participants were as likely to invest with the striver than with the natural.  As a profile of Professor Duckworth in The Atlantic so eloquently put it, “We don’t like strivers because they invite self-comparisons.  If what separates, say, Roger Federer from you and me is nothing but the number of hours spent at “deliberate practice” – as the most extreme behaviorists argue – our enjoyment of the U.S. Open could be interrupted by the thought <em>There but for the grace of grit go I.”</em>

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So as a society we value natural talent, but if hard work gets people to the same place and they can just hide the hard work, we can be accepting of that as well.  We don’t want to see those hours of practice or the mistakes that went into making something great (the Atlantic article author, Jerry Useem, did as Professor Duckworth suggested and tried to find video footage of people practicing, and wasn’t able to find much at all.  He said the closest he got was the discovery of an early Rolling Stones draft of “Start Me Up,” which apparently does not work at all well as a reggae tune).

The attractiveness of the perseverance narrative, of course, cannot be underestimated for an American audience.  We might prioritize talent above all else, but the country’s story is built on the idea of the value of hard work and its ability to lift you out of whatever circumstances you might find yourself in.  It’s the old Protestant work ethic in new clothes.  The narrative isn’t always true, of course: there are plenty of people who find themselves in circumstances that hard work cannot get them out of, despite what conservative politicians might have us believe.  But I think the idea that they should *try anyway* is very American – perhaps this partly explains why Professor Duckworth’s book is ranked number 286 in all books on Amazom.com, but only number 764 on Amazon.co.uk.  Hardly a scientific study, of course, since Professor Duckworth is American and does a lot more publicity work here, but perhaps the difference in culture is one factor.

Professor Steven Maier at the University of Colorado has done a lot of work on understanding how rats respond to stress.  He found that if he gave young rats electric shocks that they could switch off by turning a wheel, they grew up to be more adventurous than normal rats.  But young rats who had no control over the duration of their electric shocks grew up with what psychologists call “learned helplessness” – if they were shocked as adults, they behaved very timidly.  When I think about the cultural implications of this, I imagine American children in disadvantaged circumstances pushing against the sides of the box in which they find themselves, getting shocked over and over again, and learning not to push any more.  But being English myself, I imagine English children looking at the box in which they find themselves and thinking “yup, it’s a box.  I’m supposed to be in a box.”  And they don’t even try to touch the sides.

So there are a number of ideas to explore here.  Professor Duckworth was a math teacher before she went back to graduate school; first she taught in a private school (although its website says it is not and has never been a “fancy private school” that is “chiefly interested in serving whoever wishes to enroll.” Later, she taught in the only public school in San Francisco that admits students on the basis of academic merit.  As an aside here, Professor Duckworth doesn’t mention that the school in New York was private and actually implies it was a pretty gritty public school when she says that most of her students “lived in the housing projects clustered between Avenues A and D” in Manhattan, which made me think that her students were from a disadvantaged background but then I found out that the tuition is listed on the school’s website as $20,500/year for incoming kindergarteners.  When she got to San Francisco, one of her students was in her ‘regular’ math class rather than ‘Advanced Placement’ math class but he turned in consistently perfect work, so she got him transferred to the AP class.  He didn’t always get As in the AP class, but he went to the teacher and asked for help when he needed it, and he ultimately ended up getting a PhD in mechanical engineering from UCLA – he quite literally became a rocket scientist.  This is just one example of how some of Professor Duckworth’s former students appeared to be using effort to overcome potential deficiencies in talent and effort.  Now isn’t that an attractive idea?  That just through persistent, dogged, hard work, students who are at some kind of disadvantage can overcome the shadow of their backgrounds?  Even though the public high school in San Francisco]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/grit]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1746</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e3e01d1e-fed0-4586-bd84-fa3d83392060/grit.mp3" length="40388955" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>In Professor Angela Duckworth’s https://www.ted.com/talks/angela_lee_duckworth_grit_the_power_of_passion_and_perseverance (TED talk), she says of her research: “One characteristic emerged as a significant predictor of success.  And it wasn’t social intelligence.  It wasn’t good looks, physical health, and it wasn’t IQ.  It was grit.”
The effusive blurbs on the book cover go even beyond Professor Duckworth’s own dramatic pronouncements: Daniel Gilbert, the author of Stumbling on Happiness, says:  “Psychologists have spent decades searching for the secret of success, but Duckworth is the one who has found it…She not only tells us what it is, but how to get it.”  
Susan Cain, author of Quiet: The power of introverts in a world that can’t stop talking (which we’ve looked at previously in an https://yourparentingmojo.com/introversion/ (episode on supporting your introverted child)) says: “Impressively fresh and original…Grit scrubs away preconceptions about how far our potential can take us…Buy this, send copies to your friends, and tell the world that there is, in fact, hope.  We can all dazzle.” 
Don’t we all want to dazzle?  Don’t we all want our children to dazzle?  Is grit the thing that will help them do it?
It turns out that Professor Duckworth’s own research says: perhaps not.  Listen in to learn how much grit is a good thing, how to help your child be grittier, and why it might not be the factor that assures their success.
 
Other episodes mentioned in this show
https://yourparentingmojo.com/introversion/ (How to support your introverted child)
https://yourparentingmojo.com/selfesteem/ (Why you shouldn’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem)

References
Crede, M., Tynan, M.C., and Harms, P.D. (2017). Much ado about grit: A meta-analytic synthesis of the grit literature. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 113(3), 492-511.
Del Giudice, M. (2014, October 14). Grit trumps talent and IQ: A story every parent (and educator) should read. National Geographic. Retrieved from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141015-angela-duckworth-success-grit-psychology-self-control-science-nginnovators/
Denby, D. (2016, June 21). The limits of “grit.” The New Yorker. Retrieved from https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-limits-of-grit
Duckworth, A.L., Peterson, C., Matthews, M.D., and Kelly, D.R. (2007). Grit: Perseverance and passion for long-term goals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 92(6), 1087-1101. Full article available at https://www.ronaldreaganhs.org/cms/lib7/WI01001304/Centricity/Domain/187/Grit%20JPSP.pdf
Duckworth, A.L., and Yeager, D.S. (2015). Measurement matters: Assessing personal qualities other than cognitive abilities for educational purposes. Educational Researcher 44(4), 237-251.
Duckworth, A.L. (2016). http://amzn.to/2FbPJhw (Grit: The power of passion and perseverance). New York, NY: Scribner. (Affiliate link)
Eskreis-Winkler, L., Shulman, E.P., Young, V., Tsukayama, E., Brunwasaser, S.M., and Duckworth, A.L. (2016). Using wise interventions to motivate deliberate practice. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 111(5), 728-744.
Farrington, C.A., Roderick, M., Allensworth, E., Nagoka, J., Keyes, T.S., Johnson, D.W., and Beechum, N.O. (2012). Teaching adolescents to become learners: The role of noncognitive factors in shaping school performance: A critical literature review. The University of Chicago Consortium on Chicago School Research. Retrieved from https://consortium.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Noncognitive%20Report.pdf
Forsyth, D.R., and Kerr, N.A. (1999, August). Are adaptive illusions adaptive? Poster presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association,</itunes:summary></item><item><title>051: How to handle social exclusion</title><itunes:title>051: How to handle social exclusion</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[“I don’t want to play with you.”

“You’re not my friend.”

“We’re playing families.  If you want to play, you have to be the dog.”

Seems like everyone can remember a time when something like this happened to them as a child, and how much it hurt.  Children still say these things to each other – and we see how much it hurts them, too.  When researchers ask them, every child can remember a time when they were excluded – yet no child ever reports being the excluder!

One of my listeners recommended that I read the book You Can’t Say You Can’t Play, in which the author (who is a teacher) proposes and then introduces a rule that you can’t say “you can’t play.”  A few researchers (including Professor Jamie Ostrov, with whom we’ll talk today) have since tested the approach: does it work?  If not, what should we do instead?

Since most of these situations occur in preschool and school, teacher Caren co-interviews Professor Ostrov with me: we have some great insights for teachers as well as lots of information for parents on how to support both children and teachers in navigating these difficult situations.

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<strong>Dr. Professor Jamie Ostrov's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3Vp66Kw">The development of relational aggression</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Allen, S.S. (2014). Narratives of women who suffered social exclusion in elementary school. Unpublished Ph.D dissertation. Antioch University, Culver City, CA

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DeVooght, K., Daily, S., Darling-Churchill, K., Temkin, D., Novak, B.A., &amp; VanderVen, K. (2015, August). Bullies in the block area: The early childhood origins of “mean” behavior. Child Trends. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015-31BulliesBlockArea.pdf">https://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015-31BulliesBlockArea.pdf</a>

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Haney, M., &amp; Bissonnette, V. (2011). Teachers’ perceptions about the use of play to facilitate development and teach prosocial skills. <em>Creative Education 2</em>(1), 41-46.

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Helgeland, A., &amp; Lund, I. (2016). Children’s voices on bullying in kindergarten. Early <em>Childhood Education Journal 45</em>(1), 133-141.

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Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Crick, N.R. (2006). Media exposure, aggression and prosocial behavior during early childhood: A longitudinal study. <em>Social Development 15</em>(4), 612-627.

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Ostrov, J.M, Godleski, S.A., Kamper-DeMarco, K.E., Blakely-McClure, S.J., &amp; Celenza, L. (2015). Replication and extension of the early childhood friendship project: Effects on physical and relational bullying. <em>School Psychology Review 44</em>(4), 445-463.

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Ostrov, J.M., Murray-Close, D., Godleski, S.A., &amp; Hart, E.J. (2013). Prospective associations between forms and functions of aggression and social and affective processes during early childhood. <em>Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 116</em>(1), 19-36.

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Perry, K.J., &amp; Ostrov, J.M. (2017). Testing a bifactor model of relational and physical aggression in early childhood. Journal of Psychopathology &amp; Behavioral Assessment. Online first. doi 10.1007/s10862-017-9623-9

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Swit, C. S., McMaugh, A. L., &amp; Warburton, W. A. (2017). Teacher and parent perceptions of relational and physical aggression during early childhood. <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies</em>, 1-13. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10826-017-0861-y">10.1007/s10826-017-0861-y</a>

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Werner, N. E., Eaton, A. D., Lyle, K., Tseng, H., &amp; Holst, B. (2014). Maternal social coaching quality interrupts the development of relational aggression during early childhood.  <em>Social Development 23</em>, 470-486.  doi: 10.1111/sode.12048

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Weyns, T., Verschueren, K., Leflot, G., Onghena, P., Wouters, S., &amp; Colpin, H. (2017).  The role of teacher behavior in children’s relational aggression development: A five-wave longitudinal study.  <em>Journal of School Psychology 64, </em>17-27.  doi: 10.1007/s10826-017-0861-y]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“I don’t want to play with you.”

“You’re not my friend.”

“We’re playing families.  If you want to play, you have to be the dog.”

Seems like everyone can remember a time when something like this happened to them as a child, and how much it hurt.  Children still say these things to each other – and we see how much it hurts them, too.  When researchers ask them, every child can remember a time when they were excluded – yet no child ever reports being the excluder!

One of my listeners recommended that I read the book You Can’t Say You Can’t Play, in which the author (who is a teacher) proposes and then introduces a rule that you can’t say “you can’t play.”  A few researchers (including Professor Jamie Ostrov, with whom we’ll talk today) have since tested the approach: does it work?  If not, what should we do instead?

Since most of these situations occur in preschool and school, teacher Caren co-interviews Professor Ostrov with me: we have some great insights for teachers as well as lots of information for parents on how to support both children and teachers in navigating these difficult situations.

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Professor Jamie Ostrov's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3Vp66Kw">The development of relational aggression</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Allen, S.S. (2014). Narratives of women who suffered social exclusion in elementary school. Unpublished Ph.D dissertation. Antioch University, Culver City, CA

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DeVooght, K., Daily, S., Darling-Churchill, K., Temkin, D., Novak, B.A., &amp; VanderVen, K. (2015, August). Bullies in the block area: The early childhood origins of “mean” behavior. Child Trends. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015-31BulliesBlockArea.pdf">https://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015-31BulliesBlockArea.pdf</a>

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Haney, M., &amp; Bissonnette, V. (2011). Teachers’ perceptions about the use of play to facilitate development and teach prosocial skills. <em>Creative Education 2</em>(1), 41-46.

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Helgeland, A., &amp; Lund, I. (2016). Children’s voices on bullying in kindergarten. Early <em>Childhood Education Journal 45</em>(1), 133-141.

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Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Crick, N.R. (2006). Media exposure, aggression and prosocial behavior during early childhood: A longitudinal study. <em>Social Development 15</em>(4), 612-627.

<hr />

Ostrov, J.M, Godleski, S.A., Kamper-DeMarco, K.E., Blakely-McClure, S.J., &amp; Celenza, L. (2015). Replication and extension of the early childhood friendship project: Effects on physical and relational bullying. <em>School Psychology Review 44</em>(4), 445-463.

<hr />

Ostrov, J.M., Murray-Close, D., Godleski, S.A., &amp; Hart, E.J. (2013). Prospective associations between forms and functions of aggression and social and affective processes during early childhood. <em>Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 116</em>(1), 19-36.

<hr />

Perry, K.J., &amp; Ostrov, J.M. (2017). Testing a bifactor model of relational and physical aggression in early childhood. Journal of Psychopathology &amp; Behavioral Assessment. Online first. doi 10.1007/s10862-017-9623-9

<hr />

Swit, C. S., McMaugh, A. L., &amp; Warburton, W. A. (2017). Teacher and parent perceptions of relational and physical aggression during early childhood. <em>Journal of Child and Family Studies</em>, 1-13. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10826-017-0861-y">10.1007/s10826-017-0861-y</a>

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Werner, N. E., Eaton, A. D., Lyle, K., Tseng, H., &amp; Holst, B. (2014). Maternal social coaching quality interrupts the development of relational aggression during early childhood.  <em>Social Development 23</em>, 470-486.  doi: 10.1111/sode.12048

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Weyns, T., Verschueren, K., Leflot, G., Onghena, P., Wouters, S., &amp; Colpin, H. (2017).  The role of teacher behavior in children’s relational aggression development: A five-wave longitudinal study.  <em>Journal of School Psychology 64, </em>17-27.  doi: 10.1007/s10826-017-0861-y]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialexclusion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1673</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2017 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c4062678-c33b-48af-9f0c-9100460c40f8/jamie-ostrov-and-caren-joy.mp3" length="46306411" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>51</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>51</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/dff1261e-e4b5-46fc-a343-1e4f412dbd4b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>050: How to raise emotionally healthy boys</title><itunes:title>050: How to raise emotionally healthy boys</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[“Be a man.”  “Boys don’t cry.”  “Don’t be a sissy.”

Boys hear these things all the time – from parents, from teachers, from friends and peers.  What does it do to their emotional lives when they crave close relationships but society tells them to keep emotional distance from others?

Join my guest Alan Turkus and me as we quiz Dr. Judy Chu, who lectures on this topic at Stanford and was featured in the (awesome!) documentary <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mask-You-Live-Ashanti-Branch/dp/B01AEOM74S">The Mask You Live In</a>.

This episode is a must-listen if you’re the parent of a boy, and may even help those of you with girls to understand more about why boys and men treat girls and women the way they do.

Don’t have a boy?  Check out <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beauty/">How To Raise A Girl With A Healthy Body Image</a>.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bronfenbrenner, U. (1979). The ecology of human development: Experiments by nature and design. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

<hr />

Chu, J. <a href="http://amzn.to/2CYtFB6">When boys become boys: Development, relationships, and masculinity</a>.  New York, NY: NYU Press. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Maccoby, E.E. (1990). Gender and relationships: A developmental account. American Psychologist 45(4), 513-520.

<hr />

Miedzian, M. (1991). Boys will be boys: Breaking the link between masculinity and violence. New York, NY: Doubleday.

<hr />

Pollack, W. (1998). Real boys: Rescuing our sons from the myths of boyhood. New York, NY: Random House.

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Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.15">[00:40]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners may remember that a few weeks ago, I interviewed Dr Renee Engeln who wrote the book Beauty Sick on the topic of raising girls with a healthy body image. Even though I don’t have a son, I know a lot of you do, so in today’s episode we’re going to talk about some of the challenges associated with raising sons and how we can be better parents to sons, and specifically how fathers can be better parents to sons. So since I am not a father and don’t have a son, I figured I’d better find someone who is both of those things. So today I welcome a co-interviewer, Alan. Alan grew up in New Jersey with a comfortable middle class family whose father was physically present and not physically abusive, but who had what Alan calls embarrassing spasms of anger that came with yelling and throwing things and when he wasn’t angry, he was pretty emotionally absent, so Alan feels as though he didn’t really have a great model for this whole fathering thing, but he wants to parent his own son differently and it started to take some steps in that direction, but he isn’t really sure if it’s enough or what else he should be doing. Welcome Alan.

Alan:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.611">[01:42]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.44">[01:44]</a></u>

And to help Alan and I figure all this out. I’m so excited that we’re joined today by Dr Judy Chu. I first learned of her work on the documentary called The Mask You Live In, which you can rent on Amazon or on Netflix and I would highly encourage you to do that even if you’re the parent of a girl because it really helped me to understand some of the reasons why boys and men treat girls and women the way they do. Dr Chu is featured in that film and when I looked her up, I saw she’d written a book called When Boys Become Boys, which I devoured as soon as I got it, and I knew she was the right person for us to talk with. She also teaches a course on boys psychosocial development at Stanford University. Her work aims to support boys healthy resistance against societal constraints that undermine their connections to themselves and others. Welcome Dr. Chu.

Dr. Chu:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.391">[02:28]</a></u>

Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.75">[02:31]</a></u>

So Dr. Chu. I wonder if we could just start sort of in the weeds a little bit here about your research because a lot of the studies that we cover on this show are experimental in nature and that means that some researchers take some children to the lab and maybe they do something to make them uncomfortable and then they give the children a difficult task and see how they respond and then we try and generalize that behavior out to the real world and I’m familiar with the quote from the great psychologist Urie Bronfenbrenner who called this the science of behavior of children in strange situations with strange adults for the briefest possible periods of time, but your research takes such a different approach from that. Can you just tell us a little bit about how you go about studying boys?

Dr. Chu:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.18">[03:11]</a></u>

Sure. Well, I guess the best way to describe my research is exploratory studies because like you at the time I hadn’t grown up as a boy and I didn’t have a son. And so in a way it was very much like anthropological research where I was going to learn from boys about what it was like for them to grow up as boys amidst, you know, a culture that has specific messages about what it means to be a real boy, quote unquote, or a real man. And I wanted to learn from the boys themselves, you know, what they’re capable of knowing and doing and relationships. So a lot of my methods really involved kind of like ethnographic observations. Just really trying to approach the boys as… I even told them that they’re my teachers because I don’t know what it’s like to be them. And so really looking to them as key informants and then kind of participating in their everyday lives at school as a participant observer.

Dr. Chu:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.5">[04:01]</a></u>

So watching what they were doing, but also asking them about it and kind of really centering everything around developing kind of trusting and comfortable relationships so that they would talk to me as I was, you know, obviously different. I was an adult, I was a woman and kind of letting them get to know me so that they could feel that they could tell me things or share with me or also tell me if they didn’t feel like sharing things with me, which was also a part of the process. So I really wanted to respect and honor their wishes and their levels of comfort and then following up those observations later in the year once we had established relationships with interviews that I did – conducted either one on one with the boys or the boys in groups and that just depended on their preference. I would ask them, do you want to meet with me on your own or do you want to meet with me with some of your buddies?

Dr. Chu:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=285.18">[04:45]</a></u>

And they would let me know what they preferred because I brought toys to my meeting and because they were some times more desirable character that each boy wanted to play with. That became a way of getting to meet with them one on one because they didn’t want to have to kind of negotiate who got to be which characters and whatnot. So, um, but it was really very much based on what’s called the relational approach to psychological inquiry, which really kind of tries to account for the fact that the stories people tell us or the things that they share with us about their lives really depends on how they see us and how they see our motives and really starts from a place of, you know, placing at the center of the relationship between the researcher and the participant.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.03">[05:24]</a></u>

And so how many times did you meet with the boys roughly?

Dr. Chu:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=327.36">[05:27]</a></u>

Let’s see. I studied them throughout their pre kindergarten year and then followed up in their kindergarten year. I went at least once a week for two to three hours a week. And let’s see. I probably had about 48 days that I was there. And of those 48 I probably did interviews on 36 to 38 of those days. And so I met with them quite frequently and it was kind of eventually became on-demand, so I’d show up and the boys would kind of, you know, this was much later once they felt...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[“Be a man.”  “Boys don’t cry.”  “Don’t be a sissy.”

Boys hear these things all the time – from parents, from teachers, from friends and peers.  What does it do to their emotional lives when they crave close relationships but society tells them to keep emotional distance from others?

Join my guest Alan Turkus and me as we quiz Dr. Judy Chu, who lectures on this topic at Stanford and was featured in the (awesome!) documentary <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mask-You-Live-Ashanti-Branch/dp/B01AEOM74S">The Mask You Live In</a>.

This episode is a must-listen if you’re the parent of a boy, and may even help those of you with girls to understand more about why boys and men treat girls and women the way they do.

Don’t have a boy?  Check out <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/beauty/">How To Raise A Girl With A Healthy Body Image</a>.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bronfenbrenner, U. (1979). The ecology of human development: Experiments by nature and design. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

<hr />

Chu, J. <a href="http://amzn.to/2CYtFB6">When boys become boys: Development, relationships, and masculinity</a>.  New York, NY: NYU Press. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Maccoby, E.E. (1990). Gender and relationships: A developmental account. American Psychologist 45(4), 513-520.

<hr />

Miedzian, M. (1991). Boys will be boys: Breaking the link between masculinity and violence. New York, NY: Doubleday.

<hr />

Pollack, W. (1998). Real boys: Rescuing our sons from the myths of boyhood. New York, NY: Random House.

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Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.15">[00:40]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners may remember that a few weeks ago, I interviewed Dr Renee Engeln who wrote the book Beauty Sick on the topic of raising girls with a healthy body image. Even though I don’t have a son, I know a lot of you do, so in today’s episode we’re going to talk about some of the challenges associated with raising sons and how we can be better parents to sons, and specifically how fathers can be better parents to sons. So since I am not a father and don’t have a son, I figured I’d better find someone who is both of those things. So today I welcome a co-interviewer, Alan. Alan grew up in New Jersey with a comfortable middle class family whose father was physically present and not physically abusive, but who had what Alan calls embarrassing spasms of anger that came with yelling and throwing things and when he wasn’t angry, he was pretty emotionally absent, so Alan feels as though he didn’t really have a great model for this whole fathering thing, but he wants to parent his own son differently and it started to take some steps in that direction, but he isn’t really sure if it’s enough or what else he should be doing. Welcome Alan.

Alan:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.611">[01:42]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.44">[01:44]</a></u>

And to help Alan and I figure all this out. I’m so excited that we’re joined today by Dr Judy Chu. I first learned of her work on the documentary called The Mask You Live In, which you can rent on Amazon or on Netflix and I would highly encourage you to do that even if you’re the parent of a girl because it really helped me to understand some of the reasons why boys and men treat girls and women the way they do. Dr Chu is featured in that film and when I looked her up, I saw she’d written a book called When Boys Become Boys, which I devoured as soon as I got it, and I knew she was the right person for us to talk with. She also teaches a course on boys psychosocial development at Stanford University. Her work aims to support boys healthy resistance against societal constraints that undermine their connections to themselves and others. Welcome Dr. Chu.

Dr. Chu:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.391">[02:28]</a></u>

Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.75">[02:31]</a></u>

So Dr. Chu. I wonder if we could just start sort of in the weeds a little bit here about your research because a lot of the studies that we cover on this show are experimental in nature and that means that some researchers take some children to the lab and maybe they do something to make them uncomfortable and then they give the children a difficult task and see how they respond and then we try and generalize that behavior out to the real world and I’m familiar with the quote from the great psychologist Urie Bronfenbrenner who called this the science of behavior of children in strange situations with strange adults for the briefest possible periods of time, but your research takes such a different approach from that. Can you just tell us a little bit about how you go about studying boys?

Dr. Chu:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.18">[03:11]</a></u>

Sure. Well, I guess the best way to describe my research is exploratory studies because like you at the time I hadn’t grown up as a boy and I didn’t have a son. And so in a way it was very much like anthropological research where I was going to learn from boys about what it was like for them to grow up as boys amidst, you know, a culture that has specific messages about what it means to be a real boy, quote unquote, or a real man. And I wanted to learn from the boys themselves, you know, what they’re capable of knowing and doing and relationships. So a lot of my methods really involved kind of like ethnographic observations. Just really trying to approach the boys as… I even told them that they’re my teachers because I don’t know what it’s like to be them. And so really looking to them as key informants and then kind of participating in their everyday lives at school as a participant observer.

Dr. Chu:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.5">[04:01]</a></u>

So watching what they were doing, but also asking them about it and kind of really centering everything around developing kind of trusting and comfortable relationships so that they would talk to me as I was, you know, obviously different. I was an adult, I was a woman and kind of letting them get to know me so that they could feel that they could tell me things or share with me or also tell me if they didn’t feel like sharing things with me, which was also a part of the process. So I really wanted to respect and honor their wishes and their levels of comfort and then following up those observations later in the year once we had established relationships with interviews that I did – conducted either one on one with the boys or the boys in groups and that just depended on their preference. I would ask them, do you want to meet with me on your own or do you want to meet with me with some of your buddies?

Dr. Chu:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=285.18">[04:45]</a></u>

And they would let me know what they preferred because I brought toys to my meeting and because they were some times more desirable character that each boy wanted to play with. That became a way of getting to meet with them one on one because they didn’t want to have to kind of negotiate who got to be which characters and whatnot. So, um, but it was really very much based on what’s called the relational approach to psychological inquiry, which really kind of tries to account for the fact that the stories people tell us or the things that they share with us about their lives really depends on how they see us and how they see our motives and really starts from a place of, you know, placing at the center of the relationship between the researcher and the participant.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.03">[05:24]</a></u>

And so how many times did you meet with the boys roughly?

Dr. Chu:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=327.36">[05:27]</a></u>

Let’s see. I studied them throughout their pre kindergarten year and then followed up in their kindergarten year. I went at least once a week for two to three hours a week. And let’s see. I probably had about 48 days that I was there. And of those 48 I probably did interviews on 36 to 38 of those days. And so I met with them quite frequently and it was kind of eventually became on-demand, so I’d show up and the boys would kind of, you know, this was much later once they felt comfortable with me, but I’d show up and they’d come and request like, can you meet with me today, can you take me today? And then I’d try to make sure I met with everyone who had asked to be met with. And then also some of the boys who are a little more shy or hesitant, I also would ask them and when they didn’t feel comfortable, I’d let them pass and then if they wanted to then we eventually met in that way. So I tried to kind of, you know, more or less meet with at least everyone who wanted to. And eventually all of the boys did meet with me several times, so, you know, a handful but some more than others.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=384.35">[06:24]</a></u>

So this is very different from pulling a kid into a lab and get spending them in a five minute experiment and generating a result at the end. And I know that with an experiment you can potentially reach a larger number of people. You studied a relatively smaller number of people and I’m curious about the generalizability of your results. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Dr. Chu: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=403.78">[06:43]</a></u>

Oh no, that’s a great question. Yeah, of course. I’m happy to talk about that. One of the things that kind of drove my research was that at the time, and this was in the late nineties, nineteen nineties, a lot of the literature on boys was not really talking about their relationships and the centrality of relationships in their development because relationships were kind of deemed feminine. And so it’s like, Oh, if you’re going to study relationships then you should be looking at girls because that’s what girls do. And so the boys relational capabilities and kind of their styles and all those things were very much overlooked or underestimated or just kind of neglected. Like, you know, some of the books that had been written with just say, oh well boys don’t really hardwired to talk about emotions and relationships. And so there was really this missing discourse in the literature on boys.

Dr. Chu:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=449.89">[07:29]</a></u>

So what I really wanted to do is go in and focus on the boys perspectives to learn about their experiences and the relational approach that I adopted was very much based in studies that had emerged out of questioning traditional psychological methods which kind of approached experiments or studies as kind of what they call the black box approach where you think, okay, this person is this mysterious black thoughts. And like you said earlier, you know, we can manipulate situations and kind of see how they respond and try to guess at what they think about it. But my mentor at the time at Harvard, her name is Carol Gilligan. And one of the things that came out of her work in addition to the research on girls’ relationships and girls’ development that came out of the Harvard project on girls’ development and women’s psychology was this method that really said, you know, you can ask people about their experiences.

Dr. Chu: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=494.98">[08:14]</a></u>

And if you create a context or a situation that is comfortable and familiar and trusting and inviting, people can tell you what they’re thinking, and you can trust that. And so the approach was really that the boys know something about their experience and they can tell me about it if I can create a situation that makes them able to be open and honest with me. And so yeah, in a way it’s probably seen as a little bit more of a radical approach to psychological inquiry. But in terms of the kinds of questions that I wanted to examine, it was really the most appropriate method as opposed to coming in and, you know, because one of the things that I document in my book is just how long it took, you know, several visits, maybe 10 to 15 visits before the boys started to feel comfortable with me because I was a stranger to them.

Dr. Chu:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=540.84">[09:00]</a></u>

And understandably what they wouldn’t know if they could trust me or if they even wanted to talk to me. And so really giving them time to feel like, okay, who is this person? What does she want to know is safe for me to talk to her, do I even want to talk to her? And then finally kind of realizing that, you know, because I was genuinely interested in what they had to say really coming out and sharing with me things that, you know, sometimes they would say, oh, you know, don’t tell the teachers that I told you this or, you know, don’t let the other boys know that this is happening. Because a lot of them often felt that they were the only ones kind of struggling with some of the messages and pressures that were coming into their lives. Even at the young age of four.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=577.44">[09:37]</a></u>

Yeah. So you answered another of my questions, which is why did you get interested in this if you didn’t even have a son yet?

Dr. Chu:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586">[09:46]</a></u>

That was a really wonderful question and if I could just, I’ll try to speak very briefly about it, but I was actually brought to this study by boys themselves and it actually started with work with adolescent boys because my first year at Harvard, after I went home. I was driving around my brother and his friends, they were all 13 years old so they couldn’t drive and one of his friends kind of said to me, Oh, Harvard, you know, tell us what you’re learning there, you know, basically sarcastically like “impress us.” And I said, well, one of the things I learned about was when you know, these studies of girls and how to support girls, and he, this 13 year old boy says to me, oh, everyone’s so obsessed with girls, they’re talking about girls and how to support them and that we need to support them.

Dr. Chu:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=624.19">[10:24]</a></u>

He goes, and that’s fine with me, but nobody’s talking to boys and we have something to say too. And he goes, “I know you should study boys; you should start with me.” And so I went back to Harvard that fall, told my advisor Carol about this, and she said, you should go back and study him. Clearly he has something to say. And so when I went home for winter break, that’s what I did. I started with an interview with this 13 year old. He talked for two hours about, you know, just kind of things that were, what was going on with him, what was hard, what was easy, what was on his mind. And I actually spent the first year of my studies studying adolescent boys, but what I found was that by adolescents they had already started to kind of reconcile the discrepancy between this is the way people think boys are and this is the way I experienced myself to be and the fact that there’s a gap between those things is just the way things are and you have to accept that gap as a part of growing up.

Dr. Chu:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=682.24">[11:22]</a></u>

So that was kind of what I was seeing and hearing from adolescent boys. And so Carol said, you know, you really need to start earlier when they’re still in the middle of struggling with that discrepancies when they’re not yet kind of reconciled to the fact that people just aren’t going to know what they’re really like. And so her hypothesis was that what she was observing or had observed in adolescent girls, which is kind of this heightening of pressures for girls to conform to these feminine ideals and stereotypes, that the girls then had healthy resistance against. She felt that, you know, in our patriarchal culture where men still have most of the privileges in terms of power and status, that she thinks that in patriarchy they go after the boys earlier at the boys start hearing things like, don’t be a sissy, don’t cry, don’t be a Mama’s boy.

Dr. Chu:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/L0IO1Ve9Zv4-k5_LiJzekQmMxFZkZaAABIFCLcEfovHKmfoZyR9PzH9gxoKah9JCXj9fzF0pOKK4by5hJsSeX9V0Z7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=728.32">[12:08]</a></u>

Those messages come in earlier. And her theory or hypothesis was that it came in at early childhood. So she said, why don’t you go in and find out, you know, what’s going on for these boys. And at first I was actually a little bit worried about that because I hadn’t been working with young children very much. And because I felt like, oh, I could talk to adolescents, I just finished adolescence, but I didn’t know what to expect with the younger kids. And they were amazing, you know, once we’re able to establish familiarity and comfort and trust. They were just as welcoming as the adolescent boys and it’s open to sharing. Once they knew they could trust me and that I really wanted to know what they had to say.

Jen:]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/healthyboys]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1663</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2017 22:19:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cd67c9eb-77fa-4df0-b224-6bcbab993bb6/judy-chu.mp3" length="54741219" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>&quot;Be a man.&quot;  &quot;Boys don&apos;t cry.&quot;  &quot;Don&apos;t be a sissy.&quot;

Boys hear these things all the time - from parents, from teachers, from friends and peers.  What does it do to their emotional lives when they crave close relationships but society tells them to keep emotional distance from others?

Join my guest Alan Turkus and me as we quiz Dr. Judy Chu, who lectures on this topic at Stanford and was featured in the (awesome!) documentary The Mask You Live In.

This episode is a must-listen if you&apos;re the parent of a boy, and may even help those of you with girls to understand more about why boys and men treat girls and women the way they do.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>049: How to raise a girl with a healthy body image</title><itunes:title>049: How to raise a girl with a healthy body image</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Folks, this one is personal for me.  As someone with an ~ahem~ family history of disordered thinking about body image, it is very, very high on my priority list to get this right with my daughter.  Dr. Renee Engeln, author of the book Beauty Sick, helps us sort through issues like:
<ol>
 	<li>Should I tell my daughter she’s pretty?</li>
 	<li>What should I say when she asks me if she’s pretty?</li>
 	<li>Is teaching our daughters about media literacy – the ability to critique images they see in the media – enough to protect them, or not?</li>
 	<li>…and so much more!</li>
</ol><br/>
I know there’s a lot more to raising a girl than just this issue, and in time I hope to find another expert to discuss how we can raise daughters who aren’t limited by broader societal expectations, but there’s enough on this topic to make it an episode by itself.

In the show, we discuss a prompt you can use to write a self-compassionate letter to yourself as a way of recognizing all the amazing things your body can do. Professor Engeln actually sent me two of them; you can find these below.

You’ll have to listen to the episode to find out why this picture is here:



&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<ol>
 	<li><strong>Body-Compassion letter (based on Kristin Neff’s exercises available at <a href="http://self-compassion.org/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=en&amp;q=http://self-compassion.org&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1508620984183000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGXzCJO_ECEM6WwvA1-HWfk8oriqg">self-compassion.org</a>):</strong></li>
</ol><br/>
For the next 10 minutes, you will be writing a letter to yourself. The letter should be all about your body, but it should be from the perspective of an unconditionally loving imaginary friend. Think about your body from the perspective of a friend who cares about you. What would your friend want to tell you about your body? If you run out of things to write, re-write what you already have, perhaps with different wording.

Think about this imaginary friend who is unconditionally loving, accepting, kind and compassionate. Imagine that this friend can see all the strengths and all the weaknesses of your body, including any aspects of your body that you may view as flawed or imperfect. Reflect upon what this friend would say about your body, knowing that you are loved and accepted with your body exactly as it is, with all your body’s very human imperfections. This friend recognizes the limits of human nature and is kind and forgiving toward you. In his/her great wisdom, this friend understands your life history and the millions of things that have happened in your life to give you the body you have in this moment.

Write a letter to yourself, about your body, from the perspective of this imaginary friend. What would this friend say about your body from the perspective of unlimited compassion? How would this friend convey the deep compassion he/she feels for you, especially for the pain you feel if you tend to judge the flaws and imperfections of your body harshly? What would this friend write in order to remind you that you are only human, that all bodies have both strengths and weaknesses? As you write to yourself from the perspective of this imaginary friend, try to infuse your letter with a strong sense of his/her acceptance of your body, caring, and desire for your health and happiness. Above all else, be kind, understanding, and compassionate toward your body.

&nbsp;

<strong>2. Body Functionality letter</strong><strong>:</strong>

For the next 10 minutes, you will be writing a letter to yourself. The letter should be all about what your body does. Think about all your body does and how it helps you do the things you want to do each day. Focus on everything your body can do for you and write a letter to yourself about that topic. If you run out of things to write, re-write what you already have, perhaps with different wording.

Think about all the strengths of your body in terms of everything it can do. What has your body allowed you to do throughout your life? Think about the different parts of your body and how they each play a role in helping you do what you need to do each day.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Engeln, R. (2017). <a href="http://amzn.to/2CWHWOU">Beauty Sick: How the cultural obsession with appearance hurts girls and women.</a> New York, NY: HarperCollins. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Fredrickson, B.L., Roberts, T.A., Noll, S.M., Quinn, D.M., &amp; Twenge, J.M. (1998). That swimsuit becomes you: Sex differences in self-objectification, restrained eating, and math performance. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 75(1), 269-284.

<hr />

Neff, K.D. (2011). Self-compassion, self-esteem, and well-being. Social and Personality Psychology Compass 5(1), 1-12.

<hr />

Neff, K.D., &amp; McGehee, P. (2010). Self-compassion and psychological resilience among adolescents and young adults. Self and Identity 9, 225-240.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.06">[00:39]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode is going to be a difficult but an important one for me. So you all know that I have a daughter who’s heading towards being three and a half and a while back, we did an episode with Dr. Christia Brown where we talked about how the differences between boys and girls at a young age are almost entirely based on culture and socialization rather than on genetic factors and that’s still true, but I wanted to take the next step in thinking about this because it seems to me as there are the impacts of culture become magnified rather than diminished as girls get older. And the effects of that culture are really not kind to our girls. And I’ve seen this firsthand myself. Those of you who listen to my episode with Dr. Atle Dyregrov on the topic of talking with children about death know that my mother died when I was young and what I didn’t mention in that episode was that she was anorexic and she actually starved herself to death.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.46">[01:32]</a></u>

So we talk about a lot of topics related to child development on this show. And for the most part I kind of feel as though I have some wiggle room and whether or not I get them right. But today we’re gonna talk about raising emotionally healthy girls, and I really feel as though this is one issue that I cannot and must not screw up. So this is a must listen episode if you have daughters, but if you only have sons I’d say don’t turn us off just yet because a lot of the things that make raising girls so difficult are related to how we raise our boys. So we’re going to cover a lot more detail on that topic in another episode very soon.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.72">[02:06]</a></u>

So here to guide us through some of the issues related to helping girls develop a positive body. Image is professor Renee Engeln who is an award winning professor of psychology at Northwestern University. She’s the author of Beauty Sick: How The Cultural Obsession With Appearance Hurts Girls and Women. Her work has appeared in numerous academic journals and conferences and she speaks to groups across the country. Her TEDx talk at the University of Connecticut has more than 400,000 views on YouTube and she also blogs regularly for Psychology Today. Welcome Professor Engeln.

Dr. Engeln:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=155.76">[02:35]</a></u>

Thank you for having me.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.3">[02:37]</a></u>

All right, so your book is called Beauty Sick. What is beauty sickness and what are some examples of it?

Dr. Engeln:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.05">[02:43]</a></u>

For me, beauty sickness is what happens when you get so worried about how you look when you get so caught up in the mirror that you don’t have the time and the energy and the resources left to put into the things that you really care about, to things that matter more to you than how you look.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=182.88">[03:02]</a></u>

Is this really a thing that there are people who cannot literally focus on what they’re doing because they are spending so much time thinking about how they look?

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.711">[03:11]</a></u>

So I think we want to think of it as a continuum, right? So I don’t know any woman who can never focus because she’s always thinking about how she looks, but I have yet to meet a woman who hasn’t had those moments where you get distracted]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Folks, this one is personal for me.  As someone with an ~ahem~ family history of disordered thinking about body image, it is very, very high on my priority list to get this right with my daughter.  Dr. Renee Engeln, author of the book Beauty Sick, helps us sort through issues like:
<ol>
 	<li>Should I tell my daughter she’s pretty?</li>
 	<li>What should I say when she asks me if she’s pretty?</li>
 	<li>Is teaching our daughters about media literacy – the ability to critique images they see in the media – enough to protect them, or not?</li>
 	<li>…and so much more!</li>
</ol><br/>
I know there’s a lot more to raising a girl than just this issue, and in time I hope to find another expert to discuss how we can raise daughters who aren’t limited by broader societal expectations, but there’s enough on this topic to make it an episode by itself.

In the show, we discuss a prompt you can use to write a self-compassionate letter to yourself as a way of recognizing all the amazing things your body can do. Professor Engeln actually sent me two of them; you can find these below.

You’ll have to listen to the episode to find out why this picture is here:



&nbsp;

&nbsp;
<ol>
 	<li><strong>Body-Compassion letter (based on Kristin Neff’s exercises available at <a href="http://self-compassion.org/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=en&amp;q=http://self-compassion.org&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1508620984183000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGXzCJO_ECEM6WwvA1-HWfk8oriqg">self-compassion.org</a>):</strong></li>
</ol><br/>
For the next 10 minutes, you will be writing a letter to yourself. The letter should be all about your body, but it should be from the perspective of an unconditionally loving imaginary friend. Think about your body from the perspective of a friend who cares about you. What would your friend want to tell you about your body? If you run out of things to write, re-write what you already have, perhaps with different wording.

Think about this imaginary friend who is unconditionally loving, accepting, kind and compassionate. Imagine that this friend can see all the strengths and all the weaknesses of your body, including any aspects of your body that you may view as flawed or imperfect. Reflect upon what this friend would say about your body, knowing that you are loved and accepted with your body exactly as it is, with all your body’s very human imperfections. This friend recognizes the limits of human nature and is kind and forgiving toward you. In his/her great wisdom, this friend understands your life history and the millions of things that have happened in your life to give you the body you have in this moment.

Write a letter to yourself, about your body, from the perspective of this imaginary friend. What would this friend say about your body from the perspective of unlimited compassion? How would this friend convey the deep compassion he/she feels for you, especially for the pain you feel if you tend to judge the flaws and imperfections of your body harshly? What would this friend write in order to remind you that you are only human, that all bodies have both strengths and weaknesses? As you write to yourself from the perspective of this imaginary friend, try to infuse your letter with a strong sense of his/her acceptance of your body, caring, and desire for your health and happiness. Above all else, be kind, understanding, and compassionate toward your body.

&nbsp;

<strong>2. Body Functionality letter</strong><strong>:</strong>

For the next 10 minutes, you will be writing a letter to yourself. The letter should be all about what your body does. Think about all your body does and how it helps you do the things you want to do each day. Focus on everything your body can do for you and write a letter to yourself about that topic. If you run out of things to write, re-write what you already have, perhaps with different wording.

Think about all the strengths of your body in terms of everything it can do. What has your body allowed you to do throughout your life? Think about the different parts of your body and how they each play a role in helping you do what you need to do each day.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Engeln, R. (2017). <a href="http://amzn.to/2CWHWOU">Beauty Sick: How the cultural obsession with appearance hurts girls and women.</a> New York, NY: HarperCollins. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Fredrickson, B.L., Roberts, T.A., Noll, S.M., Quinn, D.M., &amp; Twenge, J.M. (1998). That swimsuit becomes you: Sex differences in self-objectification, restrained eating, and math performance. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 75(1), 269-284.

<hr />

Neff, K.D. (2011). Self-compassion, self-esteem, and well-being. Social and Personality Psychology Compass 5(1), 1-12.

<hr />

Neff, K.D., &amp; McGehee, P. (2010). Self-compassion and psychological resilience among adolescents and young adults. Self and Identity 9, 225-240.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.06">[00:39]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode is going to be a difficult but an important one for me. So you all know that I have a daughter who’s heading towards being three and a half and a while back, we did an episode with Dr. Christia Brown where we talked about how the differences between boys and girls at a young age are almost entirely based on culture and socialization rather than on genetic factors and that’s still true, but I wanted to take the next step in thinking about this because it seems to me as there are the impacts of culture become magnified rather than diminished as girls get older. And the effects of that culture are really not kind to our girls. And I’ve seen this firsthand myself. Those of you who listen to my episode with Dr. Atle Dyregrov on the topic of talking with children about death know that my mother died when I was young and what I didn’t mention in that episode was that she was anorexic and she actually starved herself to death.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.46">[01:32]</a></u>

So we talk about a lot of topics related to child development on this show. And for the most part I kind of feel as though I have some wiggle room and whether or not I get them right. But today we’re gonna talk about raising emotionally healthy girls, and I really feel as though this is one issue that I cannot and must not screw up. So this is a must listen episode if you have daughters, but if you only have sons I’d say don’t turn us off just yet because a lot of the things that make raising girls so difficult are related to how we raise our boys. So we’re going to cover a lot more detail on that topic in another episode very soon.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.72">[02:06]</a></u>

So here to guide us through some of the issues related to helping girls develop a positive body. Image is professor Renee Engeln who is an award winning professor of psychology at Northwestern University. She’s the author of Beauty Sick: How The Cultural Obsession With Appearance Hurts Girls and Women. Her work has appeared in numerous academic journals and conferences and she speaks to groups across the country. Her TEDx talk at the University of Connecticut has more than 400,000 views on YouTube and she also blogs regularly for Psychology Today. Welcome Professor Engeln.

Dr. Engeln:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=155.76">[02:35]</a></u>

Thank you for having me.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.3">[02:37]</a></u>

All right, so your book is called Beauty Sick. What is beauty sickness and what are some examples of it?

Dr. Engeln:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.05">[02:43]</a></u>

For me, beauty sickness is what happens when you get so worried about how you look when you get so caught up in the mirror that you don’t have the time and the energy and the resources left to put into the things that you really care about, to things that matter more to you than how you look.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=182.88">[03:02]</a></u>

Is this really a thing that there are people who cannot literally focus on what they’re doing because they are spending so much time thinking about how they look?

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.711">[03:11]</a></u>

So I think we want to think of it as a continuum, right? So I don’t know any woman who can never focus because she’s always thinking about how she looks, but I have yet to meet a woman who hasn’t had those moments where you get distracted in the middle of an important meeting or where you’re late to something because you just can’t get your clothes looking quite like you want them to look or where you’re exhausted because you had to get up earlier in order to do more makeup and put more effort into your hair. So we pay these costs and a lot of little ways throughout the day and throughout our lives, but they add up to a cumulative effect.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.88">[03:48]</a></u>

Yeah. I remember an example from the book about, I think it was girls and boys together at a prom event and the girls were all dressed in something that has to be hitched up and hitched down or something would be revealed and that’s sort of a facetious example, but if you imagine that it happens on a somewhat lesser scale on a daily basis in offices when you’re wearing heels and a skirt that you have to make sure you sit in the right way and…

Dr. Engeln:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=250.901">[04:10]</a></u>

And it, it takes you out of the moment, right? Yeah. I always tell people when I give that example of those girls I saw in that restaurant, I don’t care that they’re wearing strapless dresses or skirts are short. That’s not the issue. The issue is that it kept pulling them away from what they were doing. It kept interrupting their conversations. It’s like carving a little piece of your consciousness off and then dedicating it to solely monitoring how you look to make sure everything’s in place and everything looks okay and we don’t really see men having to focus on that in the same way women do.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=286.66">[04:46]</a></u>

And I’m thinking specifically of one of the examples in your book about a girl who’s… The pseudonym she chose is “Artemis.” Can you tell us about her?

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.28">[04:55]</a></u>

Artemis was a high school girl when I talked to her. She was around 17 years old and Artemis estimated to me that she spent 50 percent of her mental energy thinking about how she looked and for her she was particularly focused on her body size. She thought she was too heavy.

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=312.88">[05:12]</a></u>

She wanted to be thinner. She used the term brain space, which I really liked. So she said half my brain space is for thinking about my body; half of it slept for thinking about school. That’s how she experienced herself as being sort of carved up and this is the same girl who told me when I asked her about some of the goals she had, she said, well, I can’t really think about those goals. I can’t think about getting my brain where I want it to be until I get my body where I want it to be. That’s the kind of pressure we’re talking about.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=340.19">[05:40]</a></u>

Okay. Because women tend to think that if I was just a bit thinner, my experience of the world would be different and better in some way. Right?

Dr. Engeln:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=349.69">[05:49]</a></u>

And let’s be honest, there’s a lot of stigma in this culture around weight. We focus on appearance a lot, but it’s not true that changing how you look is going to magically open the door to happiness. If there’s no evidence that that is the case. There’s a great big literature on that out there on happiness and well-being and finding meaning in your life and the things you can pursue to get there. None of them have to do with spending more time in front of the mirror and they all have to do with spending less.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=379.25">[06:19]</a></u>

Okay. So I’m thinking social media probably plays a fairly large role in all of this these days. Is that true?

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.02">[06:27]</a></u>

Absolutely. I say this in my book. I feel bad about it, but I mean it that I thank my lucky stars I did not have to be a young girl or an adolescent girl at a time when there was social media.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=398.59">[06:38]</a></u>

Me too.

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=400.97">[06:40]</a></u>

It is unbelievably hard and when I talk to young girls and teenagers and even young women through adulthood about what they face on social media, it is not a healthy scene out there. I had a girl who came to hear me talk, tell me that she posts a picture on Instagram and if she gets 50 likes then she can feel okay about how she looks that day, but if she doesn’t get 50 then she knows she doesn’t look okay and will spend the whole day worried about it. And this is not a healthy way to live. Right. Instagram likes are not a cure for low competence. If that worked, we’d only have to do it once; we’d throw a picture, you’d get some likes and you’d think, oh, right, I do feel good about how I look, but it’s never going to be enough and every time you post one of those pictures where you’re trying to look sexy or skinny or perfect or filtered or whatever you’re doing, it’s also making everyone who sees that picture, think about how they look and wonder if they look good enough and it perpetuates that cycle of focusing on how we look and how other women look. It takes up a lot of our mental energy.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=474.38">[07:54]</a></u>

I was just watching your TED talk before I got on the phone with you and I saw you demonstrate the pose that women. Can you describe it?

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=485.421">[08:05]</a></u>

I learned this from my students and it’s been a while, I think since they first showed me me; maybe even 10 years or so and it started with skinny arms, skinny arm. I feel like a lot of women know at this point when I see pictures of women online on Instagram or Facebook, it’s rare that they don’t have skinny arms, so that’s when you purchase your hand on your hip and get your arm out at a real sharp angle. Right? And my students tell me that so that your arm doesn’t smoosh against your body. Right? So it makes your arm looks skinnier and I think, oh, okay, that’s one thing.

Dr. Engeln:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=514.58">[08:34]</a></u>

And then they tell me there’s more, right? You have to turn slightly to the side, you have to pop your knee, you have to pull your chin out just a little to make sure you don’t have double chin, and then you need to tilt your head at just the right cant. And what they told me is that they do this automatically now when someone pulls out a phone. Someone’s going to take a picture. It’s just the pose you get into. It is hard. If you know people who are going to prom or homecoming or things like that and you see pictures online, it will be hard for you to find a picture without skinny arm.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=544.75">[09:04]</a></u>

Yeah. I don’t look at a ton of prom pictures, but I had noticed there are a few younger people that I’m friends with on Facebook and I had seen them in this sort of standard position and hadn’t realized it had become so common and once you know what it is and you know all the components of it. You see it everywhere.

Dr. Engeln:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=561.26">[09:21]</a></u>

You see it everywhere and I think some people say, well, what’s so wrong with that? When I got headshots done for my book, the photographer told me of course, “At all weddings we tell women to pose like that because they’re just happy with how their arms look.”

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1NAjthD3TlKxpCELxsaTt3dSu8EpX0Hl21stlByNPZeLmtAME-kDdwt6n3HQfVhBGEydhFgR4uPpeULHykS4aq42Qj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=572.89">[09:32]</a></u>

I was happy to see in your jacket and cover that you do not do skinny...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/beauty]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1650</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/48450598-0b8c-40dc-aec7-eb095b9d2d16/renee-engeln.mp3" length="50262940" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Folks, this one is personal for me.  As someone with an ~ahem~ family history of disordered thinking about body image, it is very, very high on my priority list to get this right with my daughter.  Dr. Renee Engeln, author of the book Beauty Sick, helps us sort through issues like:

Should I tell my daughter she&apos;s pretty?
What should I say when she asks me if she&apos;s pretty?
Is teaching our daughters about media literacy - the ability to critique images they see in the media - enough to protect them, or not?
...and so much more!
I know there&apos;s a lot more to raising a girl than just this issue, and in time I hope to find another expert to discuss how we can raise daughters who aren&apos;t limited by broader societal expectations, but there&apos;s enough on this topic to make it an episode by itself.

In the show, we discuss a prompt you can use to write a self-compassionate letter to yourself as a way of recognizing all the amazing things your body can do; Professor Engeln actually sent me two of them.  If you&apos;re reading this from an email you received about the show or from iTunes, click through to the episode&apos;s page (www.yourparentingmojo.com/beauty) to see those.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>048: How to read with your child</title><itunes:title>049: How to read with your child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Waaaay back in <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 3</a>, we wondered whether we had missed the boat on teaching our babies to read (didn’t you teach <em>your</em> baby how to read?). We eventually decided that we hadn’t, but given that many parents have a goal of instilling a love of reading into their children, what’s the best way to go about doing that? And what if your child is the kind who wriggles out of your lap at the mere <em>sight</em> of a book?

Our second-ever repeat guest, Dr. Laura Froyen, helps us to delve into the research on this topic. We conclude by talking through some of the things parents can do to promote a love of reading, because it turns out it’s not as intuitive as one might think!

Dr. Froyen's <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/13j9HGMuh4YwnOHfagYUeOKWc5tJrxsEq/view?usp=sharing"> 11 Ways to Support Your Child in Learning to Read</a> PDF guide.

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<strong>References</strong>

Bus, A.G. (2001). Joint caregiver-child storybook reading: A route to literacy development. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research</em>. New York: Guilford.

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Bus, A.G., van IJzendoorn, M.H., &amp; Pellegrini, A.D. (1995). Joint book reading makes for success in learning to read: A meta-analysis on intergenerational transmission of literacy. Review of Educational Research 65(1), 1-21. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marinus_Van_IJzendoorn/publication/230853169_Joint_Book_Reading_Makes_for_Success_in_Learning_to_Read_A_Meta-Analysis_on_Intergenerational_Transmission_of_Literacy/links/53f05d6f0cf26b9b7dcdfe58.pdf

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Burchinal, M., &amp; Forestieri, N. (2011). Development of early literacy: Evidence from major U.S. longitudinal studies. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (85-96). New York: Guilford.

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Bus, A.G. (2003). Social-emotional requisites for learning to read. In A. van Kleeck, S.A. Stahl, &amp; E.B. Bauer (Eds.), On reading books to children: Parents and teachers (3-15). New York: Guilford.

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Butterworth, G. (2001). Joint visual attention in infancy. In G. Bremner &amp; A. Fogel (Eds.). <em>Blackwell handbook of infant development. </em>(213-240). Malden, MA: Blackwell.

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Carlsson-Paige, N., G. Bywater McLaughlin, and J. Wolfsheimer Almon (2015). Reading instruction in kindergarten: Little to gain and much to lose. Available online at: <a href="http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf</a>

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Evans, M.A., &amp; Saint-Aubin, J. (2011). Studying and modifying young children’s visual attention during book reading. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (242-255). New York: Guilford.

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Fletcher, K.L., &amp; Reese, E. (2005). Picture book reading with young children: A conceptual framework. Developmental Review 25, 64-103. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kathryn_Fletcher2/publication/223236320_Picture_book_reading_with_young_children_A_conceptual_framework/links/0912f503ce1f9d05ec000000.pdf

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Landry, S.H., Smith, K.E., Swank, P.R., Zucker, T., Crawford, A.D., &amp; Solari, E.F. (2011). The effects of a responsive parenting intervention on parent-child interactions during shared book reading. Developmental Psychology 48(4), 969-986. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf</a>

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McBride-Chang, C. (2012). Shared-book reading: There is no downside for parents. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.51-58). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

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Morow, L.M. (1993). Literacy development in the early years: Helping children read and write (2<sup>nd</sup> ed.). Boston: Allyn &amp; Bacon.

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Notari-Syverson, A., (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(61-78). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

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Otto, B. (2008). Literacy development in early childhood: Reflective teaching for birth to age eight. Long Grove, IL: Waveland.

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Phillips, L.M., Norris, S.P., &amp; Anderson, J. (2008). Unlocking the door: Is parents’ reading to children the key to early literacy development? Canadian Psychology 49(2), 82-88.

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Reese, E. (2012). The tyranny of shared book-reading. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.59-68). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

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Rosenkotter, S.E., &amp; Wanless, S.B. (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(81-100). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

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Scarborough, H.S. (2001). Connecting early language and literacy to later reading (dis)abilities: Evidence, theory, and practice. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (97-110). New York: Guilford.

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Schickedanz, J.A. (1999). Much more than the ABCs: The early stages of reading and writing. Washington, D.C.: National Association for the Education of Young Children.

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Senechal, M. (2011). A model of the concurrent and longitudinal relations between home literacy and child outcomes. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (175-188). New York: Guilford.

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Whitehurst, G.J., &amp; Lonigan, C.J. (1998). Child development and emergent literacy. <em>Child Development 69</em>(3), 848-872.

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&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Waaaay back in <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Episode 3</a>, we wondered whether we had missed the boat on teaching our babies to read (didn’t you teach <em>your</em> baby how to read?). We eventually decided that we hadn’t, but given that many parents have a goal of instilling a love of reading into their children, what’s the best way to go about doing that? And what if your child is the kind who wriggles out of your lap at the mere <em>sight</em> of a book?

Our second-ever repeat guest, Dr. Laura Froyen, helps us to delve into the research on this topic. We conclude by talking through some of the things parents can do to promote a love of reading, because it turns out it’s not as intuitive as one might think!

Dr. Froyen's <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/13j9HGMuh4YwnOHfagYUeOKWc5tJrxsEq/view?usp=sharing"> 11 Ways to Support Your Child in Learning to Read</a> PDF guide.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bus, A.G. (2001). Joint caregiver-child storybook reading: A route to literacy development. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research</em>. New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Bus, A.G., van IJzendoorn, M.H., &amp; Pellegrini, A.D. (1995). Joint book reading makes for success in learning to read: A meta-analysis on intergenerational transmission of literacy. Review of Educational Research 65(1), 1-21. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marinus_Van_IJzendoorn/publication/230853169_Joint_Book_Reading_Makes_for_Success_in_Learning_to_Read_A_Meta-Analysis_on_Intergenerational_Transmission_of_Literacy/links/53f05d6f0cf26b9b7dcdfe58.pdf

<hr />

Burchinal, M., &amp; Forestieri, N. (2011). Development of early literacy: Evidence from major U.S. longitudinal studies. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (85-96). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Bus, A.G. (2003). Social-emotional requisites for learning to read. In A. van Kleeck, S.A. Stahl, &amp; E.B. Bauer (Eds.), On reading books to children: Parents and teachers (3-15). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Butterworth, G. (2001). Joint visual attention in infancy. In G. Bremner &amp; A. Fogel (Eds.). <em>Blackwell handbook of infant development. </em>(213-240). Malden, MA: Blackwell.

<hr />

Carlsson-Paige, N., G. Bywater McLaughlin, and J. Wolfsheimer Almon (2015). Reading instruction in kindergarten: Little to gain and much to lose. Available online at: <a href="http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf</a>

<hr />

Evans, M.A., &amp; Saint-Aubin, J. (2011). Studying and modifying young children’s visual attention during book reading. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson <em>Handbook of Early Literacy Research </em>(Vol. 3). (242-255). New York: Guilford.

<hr />

Fletcher, K.L., &amp; Reese, E. (2005). Picture book reading with young children: A conceptual framework. Developmental Review 25, 64-103. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kathryn_Fletcher2/publication/223236320_Picture_book_reading_with_young_children_A_conceptual_framework/links/0912f503ce1f9d05ec000000.pdf

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Landry, S.H., Smith, K.E., Swank, P.R., Zucker, T., Crawford, A.D., &amp; Solari, E.F. (2011). The effects of a responsive parenting intervention on parent-child interactions during shared book reading. Developmental Psychology 48(4), 969-986. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Swank/publication/51831766_The_Effects_of_a_Responsive_Parenting_Intervention_on_Parent-Child_Interactions_During_Shared_Book_Reading/links/0912f5097cf5ddf41c000000.pdf</a>

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McBride-Chang, C. (2012). Shared-book reading: There is no downside for parents. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.51-58). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

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Morow, L.M. (1993). Literacy development in the early years: Helping children read and write (2<sup>nd</sup> ed.). Boston: Allyn &amp; Bacon.

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Notari-Syverson, A., (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(61-78). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

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Otto, B. (2008). Literacy development in early childhood: Reflective teaching for birth to age eight. Long Grove, IL: Waveland.

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Phillips, L.M., Norris, S.P., &amp; Anderson, J. (2008). Unlocking the door: Is parents’ reading to children the key to early literacy development? Canadian Psychology 49(2), 82-88.

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Reese, E. (2012). The tyranny of shared book-reading. In S. Suggate &amp; E. Reese (Eds.), Contemporary debates in childhood education and development (pp.59-68). Abingdon, U.K.: Routeledge.

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Rosenkotter, S.E., &amp; Wanless, S.B. (2006). Everyday tools of Literacy. In <em>Learning to Read the World: Language and literacy in the first three years </em>(81-100). Washington, D.C.: Zero to Three.

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Scarborough, H.S. (2001). Connecting early language and literacy to later reading (dis)abilities: Evidence, theory, and practice. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (97-110). New York: Guilford.

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Schickedanz, J.A. (1999). Much more than the ABCs: The early stages of reading and writing. Washington, D.C.: National Association for the Education of Young Children.

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Senechal, M. (2011). A model of the concurrent and longitudinal relations between home literacy and child outcomes. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson Handbook of Early Literacy Research. (175-188). New York: Guilford.

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Whitehurst, G.J., &amp; Lonigan, C.J. (1998). Child development and emergent literacy. <em>Child Development 69</em>(3), 848-872.

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&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/reading]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1640</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 04:29:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/742b8529-fab8-48d4-b5f7-5a5adb0b4ce9/reading.mp3" length="53332602" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Waaaay back in Episode 3, we wondered whether we had missed the boat on teaching our babies to read (didn&apos;t you teach your baby how to read?).  We eventually decided that we hadn&apos;t, but given that many parents have a goal of instilling a love of reading into their children, what&apos;s the best way to go about doing that?  And what if your child is the kind who wriggles out of your lap at the mere sight of a book?

Our second-ever repeat guest, Dr. Laura Froyen, helps us to delve into the research on this topic.  We conclude by talking through some of the things parents can do to promote a love of reading, because it turns out it&apos;s not as intuitive as one might think!   Dr. Laura has consolidated the most important of these suggestions into a FREE infographic that you can put up on the fridge.  Get your copy - free! - by visiting yourparentingmojo.com/reading</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/209c4325-2294-4e59-99c7-b32bc28e1b48/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>047: How to raise a bilingual child</title><itunes:title>047: How to raise a bilingual child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you have to start teaching a second language from birth?  Does it help to get a nanny who speaks a second language?  Is there any way your child will retain the language you speak even though you’re currently in a country where another language is dominant?  Does learning a second language lead to any developmental advantages beyond just the benefits of learning the language?

Several listeners have actually written to me requesting an episode on this topic, and one has been particularly insistent (you know who you are!), so I was very glad to finally find an expert!

<a href="http://psy2.fau.edu/~hoff/">Dr. Erica Hoff</a> leads the Language Development Lab at Florida Atlantic University and studies language development and bilingualism in children.  She gives us the lowdown on the best ways to raise a bilingual child (and doesn’t mince words on how difficult it is) – and also answers my burning question: I’m not planning to teach my daughter a second language at the moment, so am I a terrible parent?

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<strong>Dr. Erica Hoff's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3OzTbmw">Language development</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bridges, K., &amp; Hoff, E. (2014). Older sibling influences on the language environment and language development of toddlers in bilingual homes. <em>Applied Psycholinguistics 35</em>, 225-241.

<hr />

Core, C., Hoff, E., Rumiche, R., &amp; Señor, M. (2013) Total and conceptual vocabulary in Spanish-English bilinguals from 22 to 30 months: Implications for assessment. <em>Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research, 56, </em>1637-1649.

<hr />

Hammer, C.S., Hoff, E., Uchikoshi, Y., Gillanders, C., Castro, D.C., &amp; Sandilos, L.E. (2014). The language and literacy development of young dual language learners: A critical review. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 29</em>, 715-733.

<hr />

Hoff, E., Rumiche, R., Burridge, A., Ribot, K.M., &amp; Welsh, S.N. (2014). Expressive vocabulary development in children from bilingual and monolingual homes: A longitudinal study from two to four years. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 29</em>, 433-444.

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Hoff, E. &amp; Core, C. (2013) Input and language development in bilingually developing children.<u> </u><em>Seminars in Speech and Language, 34,<u> </u></em>215-226.

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McCabe, A., Tamis-LeMonda, C., Bornstein, M. H., Cates, C. B., Golinkoff, R., Hirsh-Pasek, K., Hoff, E., Kuchirko, Y., Melzi, G., Mendelsohn, A., Paez, M., Song, L. Wishard Guerra, A. (2013) Multilingual children: Beyond myths and towards best practices. SRCD Social Policy Report. vol 27, No. 4. Retrieved from: https://www.fcd-us.org/multilingual-children-beyond-myths-and-toward-best-practices/

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Menjivar, J., &amp; Akhtar, N. (2017). Language experience and preschoolers’ foreign word learning. <em>Bilingualism: Language and Cognition 20</em>(3), 642-648.

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Ramirez, N.F., &amp; Kuhl, P. (2017). Bilingual baby: Foreign language intervention in Madrid’s infant education centers. Mind, Brain, and Education (online first). DOI: 10.1111/mbe.12144

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Ribot, K.M., &amp; Hoff, E. (2014). “Como estas?” “I’m good.” Conversational code-switching is related to profiles of expressive and receptive proficiency in Spanish-English bilingual toddlers. <em>International Journal of Behavioral Development 38</em>(4), 333-341.

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.96">[00:37]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I’m very excited today to welcome my guest, Dr Erika Hoff, who is Professor and the head of the Language Development Lab at Florida Atlantic University. Several of my listeners have emailed over the last few months and I’ve asked questions about raising bilingual children, but I was having a hard time finding someone with expertise in this area. One listener has been particularly insistent with his questions on this topic; you know who you are. So when a friend of mine forwarded in New York Times article about raising bilingual children that quoted Dr. Hoff, I reached out that very same evening to ask her to be a guest on the show and I was delighted when she wrote back immediately and agreed to speak with us. Dr Hoff obtained her Ph.D from the University of Michigan on the topic of Developmental Psychology with a thesis that focused on the influence of maternal speech on children’s language development. Her Language Development Lab studies, the human abilities and experiences that contribute to language development.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.93">[01:31]</a></u>

Our main focus is a longitudinal study of English monolingual and Spanish English bilingual children from two and a half to 10 years of age and she’s looking for evidence of factors in children’s early language experiences and early language development that predict successful oral language and literacy outcomes. Welcome Dr Hoff.

Dr. Hoff:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.94">[01:50]</a></u>

Thank you very much.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.82">[01:51]</a></u>

So I guess let’s kind of start down in the weeds here a little bit. I want to ask it a bit of a methodological question because I know a lot of the research on dual language learners is on individuals who are perhaps the children of immigrants and who are learning English as a second language, maybe out of necessity as part of living in an English speaking country and I’m curious as to how much of the research is on those kinds of bilingual children and how much is on native English speakers who are interested in exposing their child to a second language that maybe is not quite necessary, not quite as necessary as learning English. Does the research transfer back and forth easily? Or are there some findings that are applicable to one of those populations and not the other?

Dr. Hoff:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.55">[02:31]</a></u>

Well, to answer that question, I have to tell you a little bit about the different populations who are bilingual and the different fields that study bilingualism. There is a big field of second language acquisition. Most of that looks at older children and adults and studies foreign language instruction, and you’re not talking about that. If you’re talking about young children acquiring a second language or even more to the point of your question, if you’re talking about babies becoming bilingual by being exposed to two languages, then really none of the systematic research is about the group that you’re talking about. It’s not about middle class children born in the United States whose parents try to organize a bilingual experience for them and the reason is that there is no common experience that these children have. There are books written by parents who have done this with their children.

Dr. Hoff:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=224.26">[03:44]</a></u>

There are books written about other people’s experience with this, but they are really a collection of anecdotes. The systematic research is either on immigrant populations because there are enough people in the same circumstance that you can do a study. There are also studies of bilingual development in more bilingual parts of the world. So in Wales where there are many Welsh-English bilinguals; in Spain where there are Spanish-Cataln bilinguals; in Canada where there are French-English bilinguals. So the research is not just about immigrant populations, but in the United States. The people who are bilingual are either immigrants, children of immigrants, or are these one off kinds of circumstances that don’t admit of systematic research very well. We just have stories of what’s possible and what works. But in terms of a study with large numbers of children, it simply doesn’t work.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.34">[04:54]</a></u>

Yeah. Anecdata is my favorite kind of data. So then how can we extrapolate from the kind of research that you do on immigrant bilingual children and it, is it possible to extrapolate that to a middle class audience is looking to give their child a different experience?

Dr. Hoff:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=311.95">[05:11]</a></u>

Well, I think there are some findings that should inform the effort to raise a child that’s bilingual. So one of the findings from the children I study, and these are children who are exposed to two languages from the time they are born and some people might think and some people even say, well, if you’re exposed]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you have to start teaching a second language from birth?  Does it help to get a nanny who speaks a second language?  Is there any way your child will retain the language you speak even though you’re currently in a country where another language is dominant?  Does learning a second language lead to any developmental advantages beyond just the benefits of learning the language?

Several listeners have actually written to me requesting an episode on this topic, and one has been particularly insistent (you know who you are!), so I was very glad to finally find an expert!

<a href="http://psy2.fau.edu/~hoff/">Dr. Erica Hoff</a> leads the Language Development Lab at Florida Atlantic University and studies language development and bilingualism in children.  She gives us the lowdown on the best ways to raise a bilingual child (and doesn’t mince words on how difficult it is) – and also answers my burning question: I’m not planning to teach my daughter a second language at the moment, so am I a terrible parent?

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Erica Hoff's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3OzTbmw">Language development</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Bridges, K., &amp; Hoff, E. (2014). Older sibling influences on the language environment and language development of toddlers in bilingual homes. <em>Applied Psycholinguistics 35</em>, 225-241.

<hr />

Core, C., Hoff, E., Rumiche, R., &amp; Señor, M. (2013) Total and conceptual vocabulary in Spanish-English bilinguals from 22 to 30 months: Implications for assessment. <em>Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research, 56, </em>1637-1649.

<hr />

Hammer, C.S., Hoff, E., Uchikoshi, Y., Gillanders, C., Castro, D.C., &amp; Sandilos, L.E. (2014). The language and literacy development of young dual language learners: A critical review. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 29</em>, 715-733.

<hr />

Hoff, E., Rumiche, R., Burridge, A., Ribot, K.M., &amp; Welsh, S.N. (2014). Expressive vocabulary development in children from bilingual and monolingual homes: A longitudinal study from two to four years. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 29</em>, 433-444.

<hr />

Hoff, E. &amp; Core, C. (2013) Input and language development in bilingually developing children.<u> </u><em>Seminars in Speech and Language, 34,<u> </u></em>215-226.

<hr />

McCabe, A., Tamis-LeMonda, C., Bornstein, M. H., Cates, C. B., Golinkoff, R., Hirsh-Pasek, K., Hoff, E., Kuchirko, Y., Melzi, G., Mendelsohn, A., Paez, M., Song, L. Wishard Guerra, A. (2013) Multilingual children: Beyond myths and towards best practices. SRCD Social Policy Report. vol 27, No. 4. Retrieved from: https://www.fcd-us.org/multilingual-children-beyond-myths-and-toward-best-practices/

<hr />

Menjivar, J., &amp; Akhtar, N. (2017). Language experience and preschoolers’ foreign word learning. <em>Bilingualism: Language and Cognition 20</em>(3), 642-648.

<hr />

Ramirez, N.F., &amp; Kuhl, P. (2017). Bilingual baby: Foreign language intervention in Madrid’s infant education centers. Mind, Brain, and Education (online first). DOI: 10.1111/mbe.12144

<hr />

Ribot, K.M., &amp; Hoff, E. (2014). “Como estas?” “I’m good.” Conversational code-switching is related to profiles of expressive and receptive proficiency in Spanish-English bilingual toddlers. <em>International Journal of Behavioral Development 38</em>(4), 333-341.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I’m very excited today to welcome my guest, Dr Erika Hoff, who is Professor and the head of the Language Development Lab at Florida Atlantic University. Several of my listeners have emailed over the last few months and I’ve asked questions about raising bilingual children, but I was having a hard time finding someone with expertise in this area. One listener has been particularly insistent with his questions on this topic; you know who you are. So when a friend of mine forwarded in New York Times article about raising bilingual children that quoted Dr. Hoff, I reached out that very same evening to ask her to be a guest on the show and I was delighted when she wrote back immediately and agreed to speak with us. Dr Hoff obtained her Ph.D from the University of Michigan on the topic of Developmental Psychology with a thesis that focused on the influence of maternal speech on children’s language development. Her Language Development Lab studies, the human abilities and experiences that contribute to language development.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.93">[01:31]</a></u>

Our main focus is a longitudinal study of English monolingual and Spanish English bilingual children from two and a half to 10 years of age and she’s looking for evidence of factors in children’s early language experiences and early language development that predict successful oral language and literacy outcomes. Welcome Dr Hoff.

Dr. Hoff:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.94">[01:50]</a></u>

Thank you very much.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.82">[01:51]</a></u>

So I guess let’s kind of start down in the weeds here a little bit. I want to ask it a bit of a methodological question because I know a lot of the research on dual language learners is on individuals who are perhaps the children of immigrants and who are learning English as a second language, maybe out of necessity as part of living in an English speaking country and I’m curious as to how much of the research is on those kinds of bilingual children and how much is on native English speakers who are interested in exposing their child to a second language that maybe is not quite necessary, not quite as necessary as learning English. Does the research transfer back and forth easily? Or are there some findings that are applicable to one of those populations and not the other?

Dr. Hoff:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.55">[02:31]</a></u>

Well, to answer that question, I have to tell you a little bit about the different populations who are bilingual and the different fields that study bilingualism. There is a big field of second language acquisition. Most of that looks at older children and adults and studies foreign language instruction, and you’re not talking about that. If you’re talking about young children acquiring a second language or even more to the point of your question, if you’re talking about babies becoming bilingual by being exposed to two languages, then really none of the systematic research is about the group that you’re talking about. It’s not about middle class children born in the United States whose parents try to organize a bilingual experience for them and the reason is that there is no common experience that these children have. There are books written by parents who have done this with their children.

Dr. Hoff:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=224.26">[03:44]</a></u>

There are books written about other people’s experience with this, but they are really a collection of anecdotes. The systematic research is either on immigrant populations because there are enough people in the same circumstance that you can do a study. There are also studies of bilingual development in more bilingual parts of the world. So in Wales where there are many Welsh-English bilinguals; in Spain where there are Spanish-Cataln bilinguals; in Canada where there are French-English bilinguals. So the research is not just about immigrant populations, but in the United States. The people who are bilingual are either immigrants, children of immigrants, or are these one off kinds of circumstances that don’t admit of systematic research very well. We just have stories of what’s possible and what works. But in terms of a study with large numbers of children, it simply doesn’t work.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.34">[04:54]</a></u>

Yeah. Anecdata is my favorite kind of data. So then how can we extrapolate from the kind of research that you do on immigrant bilingual children and it, is it possible to extrapolate that to a middle class audience is looking to give their child a different experience?

Dr. Hoff:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=311.95">[05:11]</a></u>

Well, I think there are some findings that should inform the effort to raise a child that’s bilingual. So one of the findings from the children I study, and these are children who are exposed to two languages from the time they are born and some people might think and some people even say, well, if you’re exposed to two languages from birth, then of course you will become a bilingual because babies have this amazing ability to acquire language. Now, I don’t disagree about the amazingness of babies, but it turns out from my research and other people’s research agrees with this, that just because you’re exposed to two languages from birth doesn’t mean you’re going to end up speaking two languages as a bilingual adult. You really have to have an environment that supports both languages and that continues to support both languages over the course of development. A little bit from birth, doesn’t result in adult kinds of proficiencies in two languages.

Dr. Hoff:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=386.87">[06:26]</a></u>

And what we see and children who come from Spanish, English bilingual homes is they started out much more bilingual than they end up. A very, a very common pattern is for the children’s Spanish to be pretty minimal by the time they are adults. Even among people who you would call bilinguals, that is they use both languages. There are many people here in south Florida who use both languages on a regular basis, but if they only heard Spanish at home, they never went to school in Spanish, their Spanish skills are not at the same level as their English skills. They’re not at the same level as a person who’s been educated in a Spanish speaking country.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.55">[07:08]</a></u>

Because you never picked up that vocabulary around all the topics. You were educated in; is that right?

Dr. Hoff:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=434.38">[07:14]</a></u>

Yes. That’s certainly one component of it, but we also see before children are five. We see them becoming less bilingual than they were when they were two, simply because the amount of English they hear starts too overwhelmed with the amount of Spanish they here because the children know that English is sorta cooler, more prestigious event Spanish and so the children would prefer to speak English and all these things contribute to English, kind of swamping a Spanish and there are other environments where this doesn’t happen so much. If you look in Wales or in Canada where the difference between the two languages in terms of prestige is not quite as stark as the Spanish-English contrast is here. You see that to kind of environment that seems to support bilingual development better, but but it’s always the case that to acquire a language, you need a great deal of exposure to that language. You need to use that language and you need to do so on a continuing basis.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.06">[08:29]</a></u>

Okay. All right. Well thank you for that helpful overview. I wonder if we can kind of go back and start at the beginning now. So how do children start to learn language? Because I read that infants can essentially perceive sounds from all languages, but by around a year or so, they’ve kind of tuned out the languages that they don’t hear around them and I’m wondering if if a non-native speaker speak to second language to a child, does the child grew up with pronunciation errors? Does it matter what language do siblings use to speak to each other? How does that come together in very young children?

Dr. Hoff:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=539.96">[08:59]</a></u>

Oh, okay. You’ve asked many questions there, so let me try to tackle them. How could children start to learn the language? Well, they start to learn a language to the extent that we understand the process by hearing it and by analyzing the patterns in it. Okay. To take a huge body of research and summarize it in one sentence: children learn patterns. They learn patterns of sounds that are different sounds that are tied to different circumstances, which means the different towns have different meanings and those are the building blocks. Now, in order to do that, you have to be able to tell sounds apart. If all sound sounded the same, there would be no language and we all know when we hear accent, someone who speaks with an accent, a foreign accent, that different languages make use of different sound contrasts.

Dr. Hoff:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=593.01">[09:53]</a></u>

So probably the most famous and hilarious example in the movie Lost in Translation is Japanese speakers who learned English as an adult have a hard time with the contrast between the L sound and the R sound. Because in Japanese there are no words that differ just in terms of that sound. This is the kind of thing that babies learn to to now. So babies do not learn to tune out a whole language, but they do learn to ignore little differences that don’t matter for their language. And of course that’s very important. That is the differences between speakers. So when your father says baby and when your mother says, baby, the sounds are a teeny bit different and it’s crucial that babies learn to ignore those differences. So babies are very good at picking up the differences that matter and the differences that don’t matter. And if a difference doesn’t matter in your language, you sort of learned to not hear it, but you don’t tune out the whole language at all.

Dr. Hoff:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=659.31">[10:59]</a></u>

Now in terms of non native speakers, it’s interesting. I think we don’t really know how a non-native accent effects early speech sound learning. It could, but children of immigrants do not end up speaking with accents. Children who are bilingual have a little bit of a bilingual accent. I mean it’s a subtle thing, but children sound like their peers and that’s an interesting phenomenon right there.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=690.27">[11:30]</a></u>

My daughter asked me the other day, a Mama, is it tomato or tomato? Yes. Well she must. She’s hearing tomato all day at school.

New Speaker:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=699.841">[11:39]</a></u>

Yeah. Right. So. So she must be small.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=703.781">[11:43]</a></u>

Yeah, she’s three.

Dr. Hoff:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=704.551">[11:44]</a></u>

Okay. Well, when she’s a teenager she won’t ask you. She will tell you that you’re saying it wrong.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=709.77">[11:49]</a></u>

I know, yes, I’m. I’m ready for that day.

Dr. Hoff:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=714.91">[11:54]</a></u>

Perhaps even a little bit sooner, but to go back to the topic of non native speakers, one of the things that we have learned from our research is that it’s very important to hear a language from native speakers. If you asked the question, what are the circumstances that promote language development? Hearing a lot of the language is important, but hearing it from a native speaker is also important and it’s not just because of the accent. I don’t know if the accent is that important to tell you the truth, but when someone speaks a language that’s not their native language, they don’t use it in quite the same way. Even talking to a small child, we have research that is has been published and evaluated by outside reviewers that shows that hearing the language from native speakers is important and now what we’re working on right now is looking at what are the characteristics of native and non-native speech to children that explain this difference and it’s really interesting.

Dr. Hoff:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/zXCMEn5SF6d4XI6ppnTsOZ4fNF_1IGHkEkFE1cuXsqWJ874oPf9g9iY9j6vMF9cxBcDWCxE-6tezUIEOnBy46SUZ2J8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=783.58">[13:03]</a></u>

We find even in fairly proficient non native speakers, the grammar is not quite as complex. The vocabulary is not quite as diverse. Even talking to a two-year-old, you don’t model as rich a language if it’s not your native language, so, so we think a really important conclusion from this work is that not that you should never speak your non-native language to your child, but that you should speak the language that you’re most comfortable speaking. Often parents – the parents in the research I do who are immigrant parents get told by classroom teachers and by pediatricians that they should...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/bilingual]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1627</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2017 03:42:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c9bf20d4-eac0-41bb-b43d-802f014fc2e7/your-parenting-mojo-erika-hofffinal.mp3" length="48951998" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Do you have to start teaching a second language from birth?  Does it help to get a nanny who speaks a second language?  Is there any way your child will retain the language you speak even though you&apos;re currently in a country where another language is dominant?  Does learning a second language lead to any developmental advantages beyond just the benefits of learning the language?

Several listeners have actually written to me requesting an episode on this topic, and one has been particularly insistent (you know who you are!), so I was very glad to finally find an expert!

Dr. Erica Hoff leads the Language Development Lab at Florida Atlantic University and studies language development and bilingualism in children.  She gives us the lowdown on the best ways to raise a bilingual child (and doesn&apos;t mince words on how difficult it is) - and also answers my burning question: I&apos;m not planning to teach my daughter a second language at the moment, so am I a terrible parent?</itunes:summary></item><item><title>046: How to potty train a child</title><itunes:title>046: How to potty train a child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[When should I start potty training?  What books should I read?  Can I do it in a day (or a week)?  Do I need stickers (for rewards)?  Does it have to be stressful?

I get these kinds of questions pretty often, and I’d resisted doing an episode on potty training because there are so many books on it already, and everyone has their opinion, and I really didn’t want to wade into it.  But ya’ll kept asking and my resolve has finally crumbled, so today we’re going to talk all about what the research says, what the books say, and how there’s essentially no correlation between the books and the research.  We’ll review the “do it in a day!” methods and what makes them successful, and we’ll also look at child-led methods.  You’ll leave this episode with a clear picture of which is probably going to work best for you, and some concrete tools you can put to work (today, if you need to!) to start what I prefer to call the “toilet learning” process.

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<strong>Other episodes references in this show</strong>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talk-sex-today/">021: Talk Sex Today</a>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/">009: Do you punish your child with rewards?</a>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do? (Unconditional parenting)</a>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners/">042: Manners</a>

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<strong>References</strong>
Au, S. &amp;; Stavinoha, P.L. (2008). Stress-free potty training: A commonsense guide to finding the right approach for your child. New York, NY: AMACOM.

<hr />

Barone, J.G., Jasutkar, N., &amp; Schneider, D. (2009). Later toilet training is associated with urge incontinence in children. Journal of Pediatric Urology 5, 458-461.

<hr />

Benjusuwantep, B., &amp; Ruangdaraganon, N. (2011). Infant toilet training in Thailand: Starting and completion age and factors determining them. Journal of the Medical Association of Thailand 94(12), 1441-1446.

<hr />

Blum, N.J., Taubman, B., &amp; Nemeth, N. (2003). Relationship between age at initiation of toilet training and duration of training: A prospective study. Pediatrics 111(4), 810-814.

<hr />

Butler, J.F. (The toilet training success of parents after reading Toilet Training In Less Than A Day. Behavior Therapy 7, 185-191.

<hr />

Duong, T.H., Jansson, U-B., &amp; Hellstrom, A-L. (2013). Vietnamese mothers’ experiences with potty training procedure for children from birth to 2 years of age. Journal of Pediatric Urology 9, 808-814.

<hr />

Fertleman, C., &amp; Cave, S. (2011). Potty training girls the easy way: A stress-free guide to helping your daughter learn quickly. Philadelphia, PA: Da Capo.

<hr />

Fertleman, C. &amp; Cave, S. (2009). Potty training boys the easy way: Helping your son learn quickly – even if he’s a late starter. Philadelphia, PA: Da Capo.

<hr />

Gerber, M. (2002). Dear parent: Caring for infants with respect (2 nd Ed.). Los Angeles, CA: Resources for Infant Educarers.

<hr />

Glowacki, J. (2015). Oh, crap! Potty training: Everything modern parents need to know to do it once and do it right. New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

<hr />

Goode, E. (1999, January 12). Two experts do battle over potty training. The New York Times. Retrieved from: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/12/us/two-experts- do-battle- over-potty- training.html

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Gross-Loh, C. (2007). The diaper-free baby: The natural toilet training alternative. New York, NY: William Morrow.

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Horn, I.B., Brenner, R., Rao, M., &amp; Cheng, T.L. (2006). Beliefs about the appropriate age for initiating toilet training: Are there racial and socioeconomic differences? Journal of Pediatrics 149, 165-168.

<hr />

Kaerts, N., Van Hal, G., Vermandel, A., &amp;amp; Wyndaele, J-J. (2012). Readiness signs used to define the proper moment to start toilet training: A review of the literature. Neurology and Urodynamics 31, 437-440.

<hr />

Kimball, V. (2016). The perils and pitfalls of potty training. Pediatric Annals 45(6), 199-201.

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Koc, I., Camurdan, A.D., Beyazova, U., Ilhan, M.N., &amp; Sahin, F. (2008). Toilet training in Turkey: The factors that affect timing and duration in different sociocultural groups. Child: Care, Health and Development 34(4), 475-481.

<hr />

Martin, J.A., King, D.R., Maccoby, E.E., &amp; Jacklin, C.N. (1984). Secular trends and individual differences in toilet-training progress. Journal of Pediatric Psychology 9(4), 457-468.

<hr />

Matson, J.L., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (1977). Issues in toilet training normal children. Behavior Theraly 8, 549-553.

<hr />

Shaikh, N. (2004). Time to get on the potty: Are constipation and toileting refusal causing delayed toilet training? Journal of Pediatrics 145, 12-13.

<hr />

Taubman, B. (1997). Toilet training and toileting refusal for stool only: A prospective study. Pediatrics 99(1), 54-58.

<hr />

Vermadel, A., Van Kamepn, M., Van Gorp, C., &amp; Wyndaele, J-J. (2008). How to toilet train healthy children? A review of the literature. Neurology &amp; Urodynamics 27, 162-166.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  I had actually resisted doing an episode on today’s topic for quite a while but listeners kept emailing to ask me about it so my resistance has crumbled and today we’re going to talk about potty training.  I prefer to call it toilet learning, but we’re going to look at a lot of different studies on this topic and I’m going to use the language that the individual authors use in their work.

There are SO MANY books about it and everyone seems to have their own opinion about it and I kind of didn’t want to stir the pot. Or even put my oar in it, to mix metaphors.  But you, my dear listeners, have spoken, and so I, your humble research assistant, have listened, and so today we are going to talk about potty training.  And toilet learning.  And we’re going to look at all of this through the lens of respectful parenting, because practitioners of respectful parenting have a fair bit to say on this topic.

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So for those of you who listen to the show regularly, it probably won’t be enormously surprising for you to hear that toilet learning is profoundly impacted by cultural considerations.  Starting with the earliest possible age for toilet learning, we come to the concept of Elimination Communication, abbreviated to EC, which was popularized anew in Christine Gross-Loh’s book The Diaper-Free Baby, and I’m going to spare you the $13 on Amazon or even the three week wait in your library’s hold queue and tell you that the method basically involves watching for and learning a baby’s signals that he or she needs to pee or poo and providing opportunities to go at that time, providing opportunities to go at regular intervals even when the baby doesn’t indicate readiness, and making a whistling or zzzzz sound while you hold the baby over a potty or a hole in the garden which tells the baby that it’s time to go.  Not much to it, right?

This approach is, of course, most common in countries where interdependence, rather than independence, is prized – since it relies so heavily on reading signals given by others, it’s not surprising that this approach is used in countries like China and Vietnam where a big part of being a citizen in society is developing the ability to read signals given by other people.  The key to all of this is that it’s done when the baby is very young.  And I’m talking infant stage.  A study conducted by a joint Vietnamese-Swedish research team interviewed forty seven mothers about their potty training experiences from the time the babies were newborns until they were 24 months old; the researchers stopped interviewing the mothers when the babies were 24 months because all of the children were potty trained by then.  To a Western audience, that must sound incredible – I was certainly pretty surprised, and I even had some experience with EC.

The Digo tribe in East Africa begins toilet training a few weeks after birth; they expect some dryness at night by around six months and complete dryness at one year.  The babies are in constant contact with the mothers for the first couple of months of the baby’s life and whenever the mothers sense that the baby needs to pee or poop the mother holds the baby between her knees.  When the baby is 3-5 months old a sibling or other female family member aged between 5-12 years takes over primary care of the baby during the day, and if an accident occurs it is actually the caregiver rather than the infant who is punished.  So in the Digo culture, it is primarily the responsibility of parents and caregivers to recognize and respond to the child after the child indicates their need to pee or poop.  This is in stark contrast to Western cultures where the responsibility is primarily placed on the child to indicate that they need to pee or poop and to get themselves to the toilet, undress, void, wipe, and re-dress.  One study looked at mothers from different backgrounds in Turkey, and found that the both the age of initiation of potty training as well as the age of completion was much earlier among rural families that lived in homes without an inside toilet, families using washable diapers, and families who punish children.  Mothers having an education of more than 12 years tended to initiate training much later and used a more child-led approach.

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We had a pretty traumatic first few months with my own daughter’s peeing; she would cry as soon as she peed and would continue to cry]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When should I start potty training?  What books should I read?  Can I do it in a day (or a week)?  Do I need stickers (for rewards)?  Does it have to be stressful?

I get these kinds of questions pretty often, and I’d resisted doing an episode on potty training because there are so many books on it already, and everyone has their opinion, and I really didn’t want to wade into it.  But ya’ll kept asking and my resolve has finally crumbled, so today we’re going to talk all about what the research says, what the books say, and how there’s essentially no correlation between the books and the research.  We’ll review the “do it in a day!” methods and what makes them successful, and we’ll also look at child-led methods.  You’ll leave this episode with a clear picture of which is probably going to work best for you, and some concrete tools you can put to work (today, if you need to!) to start what I prefer to call the “toilet learning” process.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes references in this show</strong>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talk-sex-today/">021: Talk Sex Today</a>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards/">009: Do you punish your child with rewards?</a>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do? (Unconditional parenting)</a>
<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners/">042: Manners</a>

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<strong>References</strong>
Au, S. &amp;; Stavinoha, P.L. (2008). Stress-free potty training: A commonsense guide to finding the right approach for your child. New York, NY: AMACOM.

<hr />

Barone, J.G., Jasutkar, N., &amp; Schneider, D. (2009). Later toilet training is associated with urge incontinence in children. Journal of Pediatric Urology 5, 458-461.

<hr />

Benjusuwantep, B., &amp; Ruangdaraganon, N. (2011). Infant toilet training in Thailand: Starting and completion age and factors determining them. Journal of the Medical Association of Thailand 94(12), 1441-1446.

<hr />

Blum, N.J., Taubman, B., &amp; Nemeth, N. (2003). Relationship between age at initiation of toilet training and duration of training: A prospective study. Pediatrics 111(4), 810-814.

<hr />

Butler, J.F. (The toilet training success of parents after reading Toilet Training In Less Than A Day. Behavior Therapy 7, 185-191.

<hr />

Duong, T.H., Jansson, U-B., &amp; Hellstrom, A-L. (2013). Vietnamese mothers’ experiences with potty training procedure for children from birth to 2 years of age. Journal of Pediatric Urology 9, 808-814.

<hr />

Fertleman, C., &amp; Cave, S. (2011). Potty training girls the easy way: A stress-free guide to helping your daughter learn quickly. Philadelphia, PA: Da Capo.

<hr />

Fertleman, C. &amp; Cave, S. (2009). Potty training boys the easy way: Helping your son learn quickly – even if he’s a late starter. Philadelphia, PA: Da Capo.

<hr />

Gerber, M. (2002). Dear parent: Caring for infants with respect (2 nd Ed.). Los Angeles, CA: Resources for Infant Educarers.

<hr />

Glowacki, J. (2015). Oh, crap! Potty training: Everything modern parents need to know to do it once and do it right. New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

<hr />

Goode, E. (1999, January 12). Two experts do battle over potty training. The New York Times. Retrieved from: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/12/us/two-experts- do-battle- over-potty- training.html

<hr />

Gross-Loh, C. (2007). The diaper-free baby: The natural toilet training alternative. New York, NY: William Morrow.

<hr />

Horn, I.B., Brenner, R., Rao, M., &amp; Cheng, T.L. (2006). Beliefs about the appropriate age for initiating toilet training: Are there racial and socioeconomic differences? Journal of Pediatrics 149, 165-168.

<hr />

Kaerts, N., Van Hal, G., Vermandel, A., &amp;amp; Wyndaele, J-J. (2012). Readiness signs used to define the proper moment to start toilet training: A review of the literature. Neurology and Urodynamics 31, 437-440.

<hr />

Kimball, V. (2016). The perils and pitfalls of potty training. Pediatric Annals 45(6), 199-201.

<hr />

Koc, I., Camurdan, A.D., Beyazova, U., Ilhan, M.N., &amp; Sahin, F. (2008). Toilet training in Turkey: The factors that affect timing and duration in different sociocultural groups. Child: Care, Health and Development 34(4), 475-481.

<hr />

Martin, J.A., King, D.R., Maccoby, E.E., &amp; Jacklin, C.N. (1984). Secular trends and individual differences in toilet-training progress. Journal of Pediatric Psychology 9(4), 457-468.

<hr />

Matson, J.L., &amp; Ollendick, T.H. (1977). Issues in toilet training normal children. Behavior Theraly 8, 549-553.

<hr />

Shaikh, N. (2004). Time to get on the potty: Are constipation and toileting refusal causing delayed toilet training? Journal of Pediatrics 145, 12-13.

<hr />

Taubman, B. (1997). Toilet training and toileting refusal for stool only: A prospective study. Pediatrics 99(1), 54-58.

<hr />

Vermadel, A., Van Kamepn, M., Van Gorp, C., &amp; Wyndaele, J-J. (2008). How to toilet train healthy children? A review of the literature. Neurology &amp; Urodynamics 27, 162-166.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  I had actually resisted doing an episode on today’s topic for quite a while but listeners kept emailing to ask me about it so my resistance has crumbled and today we’re going to talk about potty training.  I prefer to call it toilet learning, but we’re going to look at a lot of different studies on this topic and I’m going to use the language that the individual authors use in their work.

There are SO MANY books about it and everyone seems to have their own opinion about it and I kind of didn’t want to stir the pot. Or even put my oar in it, to mix metaphors.  But you, my dear listeners, have spoken, and so I, your humble research assistant, have listened, and so today we are going to talk about potty training.  And toilet learning.  And we’re going to look at all of this through the lens of respectful parenting, because practitioners of respectful parenting have a fair bit to say on this topic.

&nbsp;

So for those of you who listen to the show regularly, it probably won’t be enormously surprising for you to hear that toilet learning is profoundly impacted by cultural considerations.  Starting with the earliest possible age for toilet learning, we come to the concept of Elimination Communication, abbreviated to EC, which was popularized anew in Christine Gross-Loh’s book The Diaper-Free Baby, and I’m going to spare you the $13 on Amazon or even the three week wait in your library’s hold queue and tell you that the method basically involves watching for and learning a baby’s signals that he or she needs to pee or poo and providing opportunities to go at that time, providing opportunities to go at regular intervals even when the baby doesn’t indicate readiness, and making a whistling or zzzzz sound while you hold the baby over a potty or a hole in the garden which tells the baby that it’s time to go.  Not much to it, right?

This approach is, of course, most common in countries where interdependence, rather than independence, is prized – since it relies so heavily on reading signals given by others, it’s not surprising that this approach is used in countries like China and Vietnam where a big part of being a citizen in society is developing the ability to read signals given by other people.  The key to all of this is that it’s done when the baby is very young.  And I’m talking infant stage.  A study conducted by a joint Vietnamese-Swedish research team interviewed forty seven mothers about their potty training experiences from the time the babies were newborns until they were 24 months old; the researchers stopped interviewing the mothers when the babies were 24 months because all of the children were potty trained by then.  To a Western audience, that must sound incredible – I was certainly pretty surprised, and I even had some experience with EC.

The Digo tribe in East Africa begins toilet training a few weeks after birth; they expect some dryness at night by around six months and complete dryness at one year.  The babies are in constant contact with the mothers for the first couple of months of the baby’s life and whenever the mothers sense that the baby needs to pee or poop the mother holds the baby between her knees.  When the baby is 3-5 months old a sibling or other female family member aged between 5-12 years takes over primary care of the baby during the day, and if an accident occurs it is actually the caregiver rather than the infant who is punished.  So in the Digo culture, it is primarily the responsibility of parents and caregivers to recognize and respond to the child after the child indicates their need to pee or poop.  This is in stark contrast to Western cultures where the responsibility is primarily placed on the child to indicate that they need to pee or poop and to get themselves to the toilet, undress, void, wipe, and re-dress.  One study looked at mothers from different backgrounds in Turkey, and found that the both the age of initiation of potty training as well as the age of completion was much earlier among rural families that lived in homes without an inside toilet, families using washable diapers, and families who punish children.  Mothers having an education of more than 12 years tended to initiate training much later and used a more child-led approach.

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We had a pretty traumatic first few months with my own daughter’s peeing; she would cry as soon as she peed and would continue to cry until her diaper was changed.  She was also very gassy as well so she actually cried a lot of the time in those early days and we had the Pamper’s diapers with the stripe on them that turns from yellow to blue when it gets wet.  She would start to cry and we would quickly check the stripe to see if it was blue, and it wouldn’t be blue, and she would keep crying and twenty seconds later it would turn blue – she was actually more reactive than the wetness indicator stripe.  We wondered if she might have a urinary tract infection but sometimes she would pee mid-change and wouldn’t cry at all then.  We went through sixteen diapers a day in the first few months; I know this because I hiked around Mont Blanc with her when she was eight weeks old and I had to count how many diapers we were using each day before we went so we could be sure to carry enough.

I think I read The Diaper-Free Baby when she was about five months old, because my in-laws were living with us from the time she was four through six months old to help take care of her while I went back to work.  I knew they would think I was crazy for trying EC so I waited until the day they left to start.  Within a couple of weeks she was doing pretty much all of her pees and about half of her poops on the potty, and when our nanny started work a few weeks later she was stunned to find a seven month-old mostly using the potty.  And the nanny was actually from Thailand, but I guess she had been in the States for entirely too long because a study out of Thailand reports that 80% of 50 infants who were followed by some Thai researchers were fully toilet trained by 12 months.  That study also found that children who weren’t the first child, and who were taken care of by a well-educated mother, were found to start toilet training late – perhaps exposure to more Western ideas, as well as having enough money to be able to afford diapers, were behind this trend.

I read a few books on potty training to prepare for this episode, along with a whole host of empirical research, and I have to say that that’s where the correlation between the two ends – researchers publish the results of empirical studies, but the people who write books on potty training seem not to read that research – or at least, I’ve yet to meet a book that cites <strong>any </strong>of it.  So let’s start going through some of that research and I’ll bring in information from the books as it seems appropriate.

If we missed the window for teaching through EC, which by all accounts has to be done early in the child’s life, then we have two-main choices for how to proceed – we can do a parent-led approach where we establish a date when we will “train” the child, and we train them on that day – we expect results the same day or certainly within the same week.  Or we can watch for signs that the child is ready to begin learning how to use the toilet, and allow the child to lead the process.

This readiness is, like many of these kinds of things, something that is culturally determined.  A study of 779 parents visiting child health providers in and around Washington D.C. found that the average age at which Caucasian parents believed toilet training should be initiated was 25.4 months, significantly later than African American parents (18.2 months) and parents of other races at 19.4 months.  Higher income was also associated with later toilet training.  This is certainly later than parents have toilet trained in the past – I found an abstract for a study from 1983 (although I couldn’t find the full study) stating that the first appearance of toileting skills appeared between 18 and 36 months in a dataset from 1975, which itself is described as being much later than in a comparable cohort (we have to assume they mean “mostly white”) from 1947.  Another study found that when children start training at a younger age then toilet training takes longer, although these children do end up completing training earlier than children who start later.  Training before the age of 27 months is apparently not correlated with the earlier completion of training, suggesting that there is little benefit to starting before then.

A variety of researchers have produced impressive-looking charts of signals that a child is ready to begin potty training.  One literature review graphed twenty one signs of readiness according to when the sign appears – some of these included the ability to sit and to walk, which appear between four and 18 months, acquiring voluntary control of the pelvic muscles which appears between 9-24 months, and understanding and responding to directions or questions and being able to follow simple commands appears between 9 and 26 months.  The majority of researchers as well as lay authors writing about potty training stress the importance of readiness, but there is no consensus whatsoever in the literature about how many of these readiness signs need to be present for the child to start potty training, which ones are more important in terms of judging an individual child’s readiness.  Many of the authors who say “a child must be ready” often give ages at which certain readiness signs should be present give different ages from each other.

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So that gives us some information about<em> when</em> we might start thinking about toilet learning, but what do we actually do when we think that window has opened?  Well, it seems as though there are basically two approaches, and some people who attempt a middle ground between the two.  One approach seems to see toilet learning as the process of “getting urine and feces in the toilet,” as Magda Gerber, who founded the RIE approach to parenting, puts it.  Parents who see toilet training in this way will do whatever it takes to get the urine and feces in the toilet, typically making extensive use of rewards to make that happen.

Let’s cover the with the parent-led approach to toilet training first, which was formally developed by two psychologists named Asrin and Fox in 1974.  Any book published since then that promises parents they can potty train in a defined and short period of time probably uses some elements of this approach, although what they invariably neglect to state is that it was actually developed for “retarded and brain-damaged children,” and then the researchers appear to have decided that it was also applicable to normally developing children as well.  I should be up-front here and say that I haven’t read the book; I couldn’t get it from the library and honestly I didn’t want to give the researchers any money by buying it.  So if you’re considering this approach you should certainly read the book, but the gist of it is that once children are 20 months old (I’m not sure why this is the magic number) and can meet a variety of other criteria like being able to walk, staying dry for a couple of hours at a time, and following simple instructions, you set aside a day for potty training.  You set up a potty in an area big enough to play in, like the kitchen, and you show the child how to use the potty by showing a doll “drinking” water and “urinating” on the potty after taking its diaper off.  You do this a couple of times, first successfully, so the doll “pees” on the potty and gets a reward, and then “unsuccessfully” so the doll wets its underwear and then has to do a practice drill of going to the potty even though they don’t need to go.  You make sure your child drinks lots of fluids so he needs to pee.  Then repeat the same process with the child – when the child pees on the potty, he gets a reward.  If the child pees in his underwear, he has to do the drill of sitting on the potty.  Azrin and Fox tested their method on 34 children with the average child completing training in 3.9 hours and having a 97% decrease in accidents the week after training.  Sounds good, right?

Apparently there were so many reports about failures of parents to train their children using the book that people began to form classes to train parents in using the Asrin and Fox method.  One researcher noted that parts of the procedure are subtle (so don’t try to use this method just from my description; you’ll have to go and read the book) – and <em>parents</em> might lack the self-control required for this method.  It turns out that having extra support ends up being fairly critical for success – one admittedly very small study of ten children randomly assigned the children to either have a parent who would just read the book, or have a parent read the book as well as have an experienced trainer available for “supervision and prompting.”  Children whose mothers just read the book had about five accidents per day at the beginning of treatment, which dropped to about four over the course of five days of treatment, but actually rebounded to a peak of SEVEN accidents per day seven weeks after training before dropping again slightly to a level that was still above where they were when they started.  Children whose parents read the book and had “supervision and prompting” started with four accidents per day and dropped to an average of half an accident per day by day three, and maintained somewhere between half and one accident per day for the next ten weeks.

Now a couple of things stuck out to me here.  Firstly, that the researchers said that ALL of the mothers reported “emotional side effects” in their children, primarily consisting of tantrums and avoidance behavior.  These behaviors were more evident in mothers who only read the book and didn’t get support, and among younger children and usually occurred after an accident when the child didn’t want to sit on the potty again when they didn’t need to go.  Four of the ten mothers felt so uncomfortable that they wanted to stop the training, but “encouragement” resulted in three of the four continuing.

Does this remind you of anything?  Anything at all?  I’m thinking back to Stanley Milgram’s famous experiment on...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/potty]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1625</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a69a8366-31f7-4fcc-bcbf-242db125e0d2/your-parenting-mojo-potty-trainingfinal-v2.mp3" length="43724165" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:51</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>When should I start potty training?  What books should I read?  Can I do it in a day (or a week)?  Do I need stickers (for rewards)?  Does it have to be stressful?

I get these kinds of questions pretty often, and I&apos;d resisted doing an episode on potty training because there are so many books on it already, and everyone has their opinion, and I really didn&apos;t want to wade into it.  But ya&apos;ll kept asking and my resolve has finally crumbled, so today we&apos;re going to talk all about what the research says, what the books say, and how there&apos;s essentially no correlation between the books and the research.  We&apos;ll review the &quot;do it in a day!&quot; methods and what makes them successful, and we&apos;ll also look at child-led methods.  You&apos;ll leave this episode with a clear picture of which is probably going to work best for you, and some concrete tools you can put to work (today, if you need to!) to start what I prefer to call the &quot;toilet learning&quot; process.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>045: How parenting affects child development</title><itunes:title>045: How parenting affects child development</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Isn’t it kind of a “well, duh?” that parenting affects child development?  But do we know how?  We know it’s not good to have <em>really big</em> fights in front of the kids, but do spousal quarrels screw them up too?  Are there really links between a family’s emotional expressiveness and the child’s later academic performance?  How does the marital relationship affect parenting, and how does parenting affect the marital relationship?

Today we talk with Dr. Laura Froyen, who has a Ph.D in Human Development and Family Studies and seems almost as obsessed with research on child development issues as I am.  You can find much more about her work at <a href="http://www.laurafroyen.com">www.laurafroyen.com</a>.

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<strong>References</strong>

Bascoe, S.M., Davies, P.T., Sturge-Apple, M.L., &amp; Cummings, E.M. (2009). Children’s representations of family relationships, peer information processing, and school adjustment. <em>Developmental Psychology 45</em>(6), 1740-1751.

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Belsky, J. (1984). The determinants of parenting: A process model. <em>Child Development 55</em>(1), 83-96.

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Bretherton, I., &amp; Munholland, K. A. (1999). Internal working models in attachment relationships: A construct revisited. In J. Cassidy &amp; P. R. Shaver (Eds.), <em>Handbook of attachment: Theory, research, and clinical applications</em> (pp. 89-111). New York: Guilford Press.

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Buehler, C., &amp; Gerard, J.M. (2002). Marital conflict, ineffective parenting, and children’s and adolescents’ maladjustment. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 64</em>(1), 78-92.

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Davies, P.T., &amp; Cummings, E.M. (1994). Marital conflict and child adjustment: An emotional security hypothesis. <em>Psychological Bulletin 116</em>(3), 387-411. Full article available at https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Edward_Cummings/publication/15390513_Marital_Conflict_and_Child_Adjustment_An_Emotional_Security_Hypothesis/links/0912f507fc3e02ce88000000.pdf

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Davies, P.T., Winter, M.A., &amp; Cicchetti, D. (2006). The implications of emotional security theory for understanding and treating childhood psychopathology. <em>Developmental Psychopathology 18</em>(3), 707-735.

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Erel, O., &amp; Burman, B. (1995). Interrelatedness of marital relations and parent-child relations: A meta-analytic review. <em>Psychological Bulletin: 118</em>(1), 108-132.

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Froyen, L.C., Skibbe, L.E., Bowles, R.P., Blow, A.J., &amp; Gerde, H.K. (2013). Marital satisfaction, family emotional expressiveness, home learning environments, and children’s emergent literacy. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 75</em>, 42-55.

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Gottman, J., &amp; Gottman, J.S. (2008). <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baby-Makes-Three-Preserving-Rekindling/dp/140009738X">And baby makes three: The six-step plan for preserving marital intimacy and rekindling romance after baby arrives.</a> New York, NY: Harmony.

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Grych, J.H., &amp; Fincham, F.D. (1993). Children’s appraisals of marital conflict: Initial investigations of the cognitive-contextual framework. <em>Child Development 64</em>(1), 215-230.

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Hindman, A.H., Miller, A.L., Froyen, L.C., &amp; Skibbe, L.E. (2012). A portrait of family involvement during Head Start: Nature, extent, and predictors. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 27</em>, 654-667.

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Lapierre, S. (2008). Mothering in the context of domestic violence: The pervasiveness of a deficit model of mothering.<em> Child &amp; Family Social Work 13</em>, 454-463.

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Sturge-Apple, M.L., , Davies, P.T., &amp; Cummings, E.M. (2006). Hostility and withdrawal in marital conflict: Effects on parental emotional unavailability and inconsistent discipline. <em>Journal of Family Psychology 20</em>(2), 227-238.

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Tronick, E. (2009). Still face experiment. UMass Boston. Video available at: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0</a>

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Vallotton, C. D., Harewood, T., Froyen, L., Brophy-Herb, H., &amp; Ayoub, C. (2016). Child Behavior Problems: Mothers’ and Fathers’ Mental Health Matters Today and Tomorrow. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 37</em>, 81-93. doi: 10.1016/j.ecresq.2016.02.006

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Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.1">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the your Parenting Mojo podcast. Our guest today is Laura Froyen, who received her Ph.D In Human Development and Family Studies with an emphasis in Couple and Family Therapy from Michigan State University, where her research focused on how marital and family relationships influence parenting and child development. She continued this research as an Assistant Professor of Human Development and Family Studies at the University of Madison, Wisconsin, and while she loved her work as a new professor, she found that she missed working directly with families which had been doing while she was working on her Ph.D. When she was pregnant with her second daughter, Laura had a life-changing car accident, which luckily both she and her daughter came out in one piece, but the experience caused her to reevaluate what she wanted to get out of life and she realized that she really missed working with families. She now offers parent coaching as well as parent support groups in classes. Laura’s academic work focused on the intersection of parenting practices and child development outcomes and she’s here to chat with us about that today. Welcome Laura.

Dr. Froyen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.69">[01:36]</a></u>

Hi Jen. Thanks so much for having me.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.9">[01:38]</a></u>

So it does seem somewhat logical to me that a family’s emotional expressiveness might have connections to a child’s emotional development, but I’m wondering if you can kind of walk us through what are some of the linkages here and how is that emotional development linked with later academic performance?

Dr. Froyen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.59">[01:55]</a></u>

Right, sure. So the family is seen as one of the primary ways that children learn about emotions and their expression and resultant behaviors. And as I’m sure you probably talked a lot about, modeling is considered one of the most powerful ways that children and humans in general learn, and emotions are no different. So when we talk about emotional expressiveness, we’re talking about the overall style of kind of the emotional state of the family and how they express emotion verbally and nonverbally and children are very much influenced by how their families are doing with the expressive expression of negative and positive emotions. So families can be high or low in both positive and negative expressiveness. So some families are high, some are low in both and some are high in one and high and the other families, but higher positive expressiveness tend to have children that display more prosocial behavior and families with higher negative expressiveness tend to have children that display more aggressive behavior.

Dr. Froyen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.83">[02:54]</a></u>

And the working theory on this is that family emotional context influences children’s self-regulation skills, likely through parenting. And then that self regulation in turn drives their actual behaviors. And self regulation is also a key skill when it comes to learning. And so if we think about some of the skills that children need to do well in school – being able to sit still and pay attention, being able to minimize distractions, raise their hand… Those types of skills are all self regulatory skills and um, those self regulatory skills give children greater access to learning so they make them better able to learn in those learning environments.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.85">[03:33]</a></u>

And so I’m just trying to think about what constitutes a very positive and a very negative environment. I assume a lot of yelling and screaming is very negative, but what is a very positive environment look like and what does a neutral kind of environment look like?

Dr. Froyen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=229.38">[03:49]</a></u>

Yeah. So we don’t talk a lot about necessarily neutrals. The research on many topics in child development are done at the extremes and so highly negative things like screaming and yelling and criticism. Criticism is an incredibly toxic thing in almost all family relationships; marriages, parent relationships. So things like belittling those things are very negative for families in general. But then the positive pieces of it is warmth,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Isn’t it kind of a “well, duh?” that parenting affects child development?  But do we know how?  We know it’s not good to have <em>really big</em> fights in front of the kids, but do spousal quarrels screw them up too?  Are there really links between a family’s emotional expressiveness and the child’s later academic performance?  How does the marital relationship affect parenting, and how does parenting affect the marital relationship?

Today we talk with Dr. Laura Froyen, who has a Ph.D in Human Development and Family Studies and seems almost as obsessed with research on child development issues as I am.  You can find much more about her work at <a href="http://www.laurafroyen.com">www.laurafroyen.com</a>.

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<strong>References</strong>

Bascoe, S.M., Davies, P.T., Sturge-Apple, M.L., &amp; Cummings, E.M. (2009). Children’s representations of family relationships, peer information processing, and school adjustment. <em>Developmental Psychology 45</em>(6), 1740-1751.

<hr />

Belsky, J. (1984). The determinants of parenting: A process model. <em>Child Development 55</em>(1), 83-96.

<hr />

Bretherton, I., &amp; Munholland, K. A. (1999). Internal working models in attachment relationships: A construct revisited. In J. Cassidy &amp; P. R. Shaver (Eds.), <em>Handbook of attachment: Theory, research, and clinical applications</em> (pp. 89-111). New York: Guilford Press.

<hr />

Buehler, C., &amp; Gerard, J.M. (2002). Marital conflict, ineffective parenting, and children’s and adolescents’ maladjustment. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 64</em>(1), 78-92.

<hr />

Davies, P.T., &amp; Cummings, E.M. (1994). Marital conflict and child adjustment: An emotional security hypothesis. <em>Psychological Bulletin 116</em>(3), 387-411. Full article available at https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Edward_Cummings/publication/15390513_Marital_Conflict_and_Child_Adjustment_An_Emotional_Security_Hypothesis/links/0912f507fc3e02ce88000000.pdf

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Davies, P.T., Winter, M.A., &amp; Cicchetti, D. (2006). The implications of emotional security theory for understanding and treating childhood psychopathology. <em>Developmental Psychopathology 18</em>(3), 707-735.

<hr />

Erel, O., &amp; Burman, B. (1995). Interrelatedness of marital relations and parent-child relations: A meta-analytic review. <em>Psychological Bulletin: 118</em>(1), 108-132.

<hr />

Froyen, L.C., Skibbe, L.E., Bowles, R.P., Blow, A.J., &amp; Gerde, H.K. (2013). Marital satisfaction, family emotional expressiveness, home learning environments, and children’s emergent literacy. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 75</em>, 42-55.

<hr />

Gottman, J., &amp; Gottman, J.S. (2008). <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baby-Makes-Three-Preserving-Rekindling/dp/140009738X">And baby makes three: The six-step plan for preserving marital intimacy and rekindling romance after baby arrives.</a> New York, NY: Harmony.

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Grych, J.H., &amp; Fincham, F.D. (1993). Children’s appraisals of marital conflict: Initial investigations of the cognitive-contextual framework. <em>Child Development 64</em>(1), 215-230.

<hr />

Hindman, A.H., Miller, A.L., Froyen, L.C., &amp; Skibbe, L.E. (2012). A portrait of family involvement during Head Start: Nature, extent, and predictors. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 27</em>, 654-667.

<hr />

Lapierre, S. (2008). Mothering in the context of domestic violence: The pervasiveness of a deficit model of mothering.<em> Child &amp; Family Social Work 13</em>, 454-463.

<hr />

Sturge-Apple, M.L., , Davies, P.T., &amp; Cummings, E.M. (2006). Hostility and withdrawal in marital conflict: Effects on parental emotional unavailability and inconsistent discipline. <em>Journal of Family Psychology 20</em>(2), 227-238.

<hr />

Tronick, E. (2009). Still face experiment. UMass Boston. Video available at: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0</a>

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Vallotton, C. D., Harewood, T., Froyen, L., Brophy-Herb, H., &amp; Ayoub, C. (2016). Child Behavior Problems: Mothers’ and Fathers’ Mental Health Matters Today and Tomorrow. <em>Early Childhood Research Quarterly 37</em>, 81-93. doi: 10.1016/j.ecresq.2016.02.006

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Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.1">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the your Parenting Mojo podcast. Our guest today is Laura Froyen, who received her Ph.D In Human Development and Family Studies with an emphasis in Couple and Family Therapy from Michigan State University, where her research focused on how marital and family relationships influence parenting and child development. She continued this research as an Assistant Professor of Human Development and Family Studies at the University of Madison, Wisconsin, and while she loved her work as a new professor, she found that she missed working directly with families which had been doing while she was working on her Ph.D. When she was pregnant with her second daughter, Laura had a life-changing car accident, which luckily both she and her daughter came out in one piece, but the experience caused her to reevaluate what she wanted to get out of life and she realized that she really missed working with families. She now offers parent coaching as well as parent support groups in classes. Laura’s academic work focused on the intersection of parenting practices and child development outcomes and she’s here to chat with us about that today. Welcome Laura.

Dr. Froyen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.69">[01:36]</a></u>

Hi Jen. Thanks so much for having me.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.9">[01:38]</a></u>

So it does seem somewhat logical to me that a family’s emotional expressiveness might have connections to a child’s emotional development, but I’m wondering if you can kind of walk us through what are some of the linkages here and how is that emotional development linked with later academic performance?

Dr. Froyen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.59">[01:55]</a></u>

Right, sure. So the family is seen as one of the primary ways that children learn about emotions and their expression and resultant behaviors. And as I’m sure you probably talked a lot about, modeling is considered one of the most powerful ways that children and humans in general learn, and emotions are no different. So when we talk about emotional expressiveness, we’re talking about the overall style of kind of the emotional state of the family and how they express emotion verbally and nonverbally and children are very much influenced by how their families are doing with the expressive expression of negative and positive emotions. So families can be high or low in both positive and negative expressiveness. So some families are high, some are low in both and some are high in one and high and the other families, but higher positive expressiveness tend to have children that display more prosocial behavior and families with higher negative expressiveness tend to have children that display more aggressive behavior.

Dr. Froyen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.83">[02:54]</a></u>

And the working theory on this is that family emotional context influences children’s self-regulation skills, likely through parenting. And then that self regulation in turn drives their actual behaviors. And self regulation is also a key skill when it comes to learning. And so if we think about some of the skills that children need to do well in school – being able to sit still and pay attention, being able to minimize distractions, raise their hand… Those types of skills are all self regulatory skills and um, those self regulatory skills give children greater access to learning so they make them better able to learn in those learning environments.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.85">[03:33]</a></u>

And so I’m just trying to think about what constitutes a very positive and a very negative environment. I assume a lot of yelling and screaming is very negative, but what is a very positive environment look like and what does a neutral kind of environment look like?

Dr. Froyen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=229.38">[03:49]</a></u>

Yeah. So we don’t talk a lot about necessarily neutrals. The research on many topics in child development are done at the extremes and so highly negative things like screaming and yelling and criticism. Criticism is an incredibly toxic thing in almost all family relationships; marriages, parent relationships. So things like belittling those things are very negative for families in general. But then the positive pieces of it is warmth, expressing love for one another, acts of love or demonstrative acts of love. So given how the sun or if you’re not necessarily affectionate, telling each other how you appreciate each other, those types of things.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.3">[04:35]</a></u>

Okay. And so when I was preparing for this episode, I was reading a lot about how conflict is not very good for children’s development, but I am trying to sort of get my arms around what kind of conflict is really bad conflict and I’m just thinking about, you know, my husband’s not listening to me again and I’m kind of irritated with him. Does that count as conflict or does it have to be like yelling and screaming?

Dr. Froyen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=303.92">[05:03]</a></u>

Oh gosh, I think that this is such an important question. I think that many parents have this idea that kids should never see them fighting. Right? And so what research actually shows us that this isn’t the case 100 percent of the time. So kids are incredibly tuned into the emotional environment of their homes, particularly their parents’ relationship because they derive a lot of security from that relationship. So kids have a lot invested in that relationship going well because that’s where they get their security and stability from. So even when parents attempt to hide their disagreements, kids almost always know that they’re happening.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=339.45">[05:39]</a></u>

I’m just thinking back to a memory from childhood, we used to have a long driveway at our house and my dad would reverse out of it every morning past the kitchen window and my mom would wave to him and I do remember on at least one occasion even though they would always hide conflicts from us, I have no memory of them of having a conflict ever in front of us or even within auditory range. I have memories of my mother drawing the blind in the kitchen window in the morning.

Dr. Froyen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.33">[06:11]</a></u>

Right? Non-verbal hostility!

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.71">[06:11]</a></u>

Yes, it was there even though I didn’t hear it.

Dr. Froyen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=375.77">[06:15]</a></u>

What’s really interesting is that even verbal infants display behavioral changes when there is tension between parents after a conflict, what kind of changes, like more subdued affect or they might cry more depending on that child’s coping strategy. So there’s a whole set of… You of course are familiar with attachment theory and I’m guessing a lot of your listeners are, um, but there’s a whole kind of sister theory called emotional security theory that really views the couple relationship as a kind of a separate attachment figure. If we’re talking about it… And this is just kind of coming up now, but emotional security theory is really helpful in thinking about why kids intervene in parents conflicts and so attachment theory is based on…the way we measure it is by observing behaviors, right? So we measure a child’s law like security of attachment by putting them in a stressful situation and watching what they do and there are similar behaviors that children engage in. Their parents are arguing or disagreeing that signal kind of their feelings of security around that couple relationship. So kids who are feeling less secure or are kind of nervous when fighting starts to happen, we’ll do things like problem solved, the conflict for the parents or create a big distraction to distract the parents from the conflict. And so we see some of those behaviors in infants and they get more sophisticated as kids get older.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=468.841">[07:48]</a></u>

And how severe does that conflict have to be before children start doing that kind of thing? Like is my irritation enough or…

Dr. Froyen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.55">[07:56]</a></u>

Yeah. So it totally depends on the tactics that you’re using rather than the disagreement itself. So in the literature when they talk a lot about negative conflict tactics like belittling and criticism and yelling and then positive conflict tactics like problem solving, validating, showing empathy, those types of things. And so if you’re able to manage your irritation with your partner, I actually have an example.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=502.52">[08:22]</a></u>

Oh please. I have some too, but…

Dr. Froyen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=506.49">[08:26]</a></u>

So recently my husband stopped at the grocery store on the way home from work and, but he forgot an ingredient that I really needed for a recipe for a thing that was happening the next day and there was no replacement. That was nothing I could substitute. Right. And so when he got home and he didn’t have it, I was justifiably frustrated even though this is a common mistake that everybody makes us sometimes. But I was frustrated and in that moment I expressed the frustration to him and he was able to validate my feelings while offering to run back to the store after the kids were in bed. So he offered a solution, and in that moment I was able to take a deep breath and you know, validate that yes, we’ve all forgotten things. I’m and thank him for going to get it and then I was able to let it go.

Dr. Froyen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.99">[09:09]</a></u>

I’m not always able to let it go and if I know going in that I’m not going to be able to let it go. I will say let’s talk about it later and then we’ll talk about it later because I know that at that point in time my conflict tactics might not be quite so positive, but if I know I’m going to be able to handle it well, I absolutely want to offer that as a learning opportunity for my kids so that they can see, see me expressing my feelings and having those feelings be validated by my partner. I think that that’s really important. And then see us work together to come up with solutions and then to see me being gracious and forgiving. I think that those are all wonderful opportunities to model for kids.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=589.441">[09:49]</a></u>

It sounds lovely.

Dr. Froyen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=590.251">[09:50]</a></u>

It can’t go that way every time. Right? Yeah, and so I mean I think that if you can be present enough to know when it’s not going to go well, making an effort to say, you know, I think we need to talk about this later. You know, let’s schedule a date to talk about it. That’s a great way to model to your kids as well. Being able to regulate yourself, not have to engage in the conflict in the moment and take time to cool off.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=619.21">[10:19]</a></u>

Yeah, I was just thinking about an example and I wasn’t planning on sharing this but it just popped into my mind that my husband and I had a conflict. This was a few months ago now about…it was so stupid. It was about a package that he needed to mail to somebody and I was trying to make life easier for him by researching what are the flat rate shipping options and was asking him questions about it and he was not answering them in the way that I needed and I just found it so irritating and then he got irritated at me for asking questions that he thought were irrelevant. And once you get into that cycle, how do you get out of it again? That’s the part I struggle with.

Dr. Froyen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xsfJmzupTpfpfb9NdISqgKHKYw0ot1i8RYGAqmiKctKYXjosSImWtGtmS204o0iR_Hmg6YHFKiyUzqfHO8Td2h1uSQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=658.16">[10:58]</a></u>

Yes. So this is where mindfulness practices is super helpful. Yeah. Because a regular mindfulness practice is proven to change the structure of your brain and to get into these, like they call them neuronal groups, right? So we have these groups, these patterns that we have kind of worn in our brain where we start responding in very stereotypical ways, ways that are just very much guided by how we...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/parenting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1605</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/280c9fbc-4082-4f12-a84a-f27966cfcf47/laura-froyen.mp3" length="41668829" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Isn&apos;t it kind of a &quot;well, duh?&quot; that parenting affects child development?  But do we know how?  Are there really links between a family&apos;s emotional expressiveness and the child&apos;s later academic performance?  We know it&apos;s not good to have really big fights in front of the kids, but do spousal quarrels screw them up too?  How does the marital relationship affect parenting, and how does parenting affect the marital relationship?

Today we talk with Dr. Laura Froyen, who has a Ph.D in Human Development and Family Studies and seems almost as obsessed with research on child development issues as I am.  You can find much more about her work at www.laurafroyen.com.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>044: How to introduce your child to music (even if you can’t play or sing)</title><itunes:title>044: How to introduce your child to music (even if you can’t play or sing)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I can’t play any instruments (unless the recorder counts?).  I certainly can’t sing.  But my daughter really enjoys music, and there are a whole host of studies showing how playing music benefits children’s brain development.  So what’s a non-music playing, non-singing parent to do?

Dr. Wendell Hanna’s new book, the <a href="http://amzn.to/2oFC7AP">Children’s Music Studio: A Reggio-Inspired Approach</a> (Affiliate link), give us SO MANY ways to interact with music with our children.  I tried one of her ‘provocations’ with my daughter’s daycare class and I was blown away.  Give this episode a listen, and be inspired.

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<strong>Other episodes referenced in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reggio/">027: Is a Reggio Emilia-inspired preschool right for my child?</a>

To hear my interview with math tutor Wes Carroll, go to <a href="http://www.yourhomeschoolingmojo.com">www.yourhomeschoolingmojo.com</a>, click any of the “sign up” buttons on that page, scroll down to see the curriculum of the course, and look for the interview with Wes which is available as a free preview.

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Allsup, R.E., &amp; Benedict, C. (2008). The problems of band: An inquiry into the future of instrumental music education. Philosophy of Music Education Review 16(2), 156-173.

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Anvari, S.H., Trainor, L.J., Woodside, J., &amp; Levy, B.A. (2002). Relations among musical skills, phonological processing, and early reading ability in preschool children. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 83, 111-130.

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Bilhartz, T.D., Bruhn, R.A., &amp; Olson, J.E. (2000). The effect of early music training on child cognitive development. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 20(4), 616-636.

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Catterall, J.S., &amp; Rauscher, F.H. (2008). Unpacking the impact of music on intelligence. In W. Gruhn &amp; F. Rauscher, Neurosciences in Music Pedagogy (pp.171-201). Happague, NY: Nova Science Publishers.

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Hallam, S. (2010). The power of music: Its impact on the intellectual, social and personal development of children and young people. International Journal of Music Education 28(3), 269-289.

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Hanna, W. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2oFC7AP">The children’s music studio: A Reggio-inspired approach.</a> New York, NY: Oxford. (Affiliate link)

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Heuser, F. (2011). Ensemble-based instrumental music instruction: Dead-end tradition or opportunity for socially enlightened teaching. Music Education Research 12(3), 293-305.

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Kirschner, S., &amp; Tomasello, M. (2010). Joint music making promotes prosocial behavior in 4-year-old children. Evolution and Human Behavior 31, 354-364.

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Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.03">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today I’d like to welcome my guest, Wendell Hanna, who is Professor of Music Education at San Francisco State University. Professor Hanna’s academic background includes a BA from the University of South Florida and a Master’s in music from Yale University in orchestral bassoon performance. After several years of teaching and performing in San Francisco Bay Area orchestras as a freelance musician, Professor Hanna then obtained her public school and teaching credential and taught elementary music in the Oregon public schools. Before obtaining a Ph.D At the University of Oregon. It was there that she shifted our attention to younger children and began researching and working musically with infants, toddlers, and preschool aged children. In 2002, she was offered a professorship at San Francisco State University where she researches and also teaches, early childhood musical development and local preschools. It was through teaching in a local corporate preschool that she encountered emergent learning and the Reggio approach. Now I discovered professor Hanna’s work not long after I heard a piece on NPR about the links between listening to music and learning grammar, so I was already looking for someone to talk with about the connections between music and child development, but today, dear listeners, we’re going to get so much more than that.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.01">[01:49]</a></u>

Professor Hanna has just published a new book called The Children’s Music Studio, a Reggio inspired approach and as soon as I read it, I knew that I had to ask her to do an interview with us because their interests coincides so neatly with my own. She brings a really rigorous evidence based view on the impact of music on a child’s development and she has also studied early childhood education in Reggio Emilia, Italy as I have done as well, and wants to bring that evidence-based view of music to Reggio inspired classrooms. Welcome Dr. Hanna.

New Speaker:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.6">[02:17]</a></u>

Thank you, Jen. Thank you for inviting me.

New Speaker: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.45">[02:20]</a></u>

So I wonder if we can start kind of probably where parents already have had some exposure to information about music and related to child development. Can you tell us what is the Mozart Effect and how does what parents might have heard about it differ from what the study actually found?

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=158">[02:38]</a></u>

Sure, so the Mozart Effect was a research study and there have been many more research studies since the original one which was in 1993 in southern California, Rauscher and Associates and they, they looked at the effect of listening to a Mozart music and how that affected learning and their results were published in Nature magazine and they said that especially on spatial reasoning and a little bit on memory that listening to Mozart had positive effects on your ability to concentrate and learn. Fortunately, people got very excited about things, especially in my field of music education, we were like, Hallelujah. This is what we’ve been looking for. Scientific evidence of what we’ve always known to be true, and here it is. However, researchers, we were like, wow, let me look into this research, and then we discovered, wow, they listened to some Mozart for 15 minutes and then they became smarter. Hm, let’s replicate this just to make sure. And so it was replicated many, many, many times and the same results were not found and that’s a problem with research; it needs to be replicated in their same results, need to be found each time or most of the times it is replicated.

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.92">[04:02]</a></u>

So that was a problem. Many people have really jumped on. The idea of Mozart makes you smarter because it feels true. It just feels so right.

New Speaker: <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I can’t play any instruments (unless the recorder counts?).  I certainly can’t sing.  But my daughter really enjoys music, and there are a whole host of studies showing how playing music benefits children’s brain development.  So what’s a non-music playing, non-singing parent to do?

Dr. Wendell Hanna’s new book, the <a href="http://amzn.to/2oFC7AP">Children’s Music Studio: A Reggio-Inspired Approach</a> (Affiliate link), give us SO MANY ways to interact with music with our children.  I tried one of her ‘provocations’ with my daughter’s daycare class and I was blown away.  Give this episode a listen, and be inspired.

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<strong>Other episodes referenced in this episode</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/reggio/">027: Is a Reggio Emilia-inspired preschool right for my child?</a>

To hear my interview with math tutor Wes Carroll, go to <a href="http://www.yourhomeschoolingmojo.com">www.yourhomeschoolingmojo.com</a>, click any of the “sign up” buttons on that page, scroll down to see the curriculum of the course, and look for the interview with Wes which is available as a free preview.

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<strong>References</strong>

Allsup, R.E., &amp; Benedict, C. (2008). The problems of band: An inquiry into the future of instrumental music education. Philosophy of Music Education Review 16(2), 156-173.

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Anvari, S.H., Trainor, L.J., Woodside, J., &amp; Levy, B.A. (2002). Relations among musical skills, phonological processing, and early reading ability in preschool children. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 83, 111-130.

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Bilhartz, T.D., Bruhn, R.A., &amp; Olson, J.E. (2000). The effect of early music training on child cognitive development. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 20(4), 616-636.

<hr />

Catterall, J.S., &amp; Rauscher, F.H. (2008). Unpacking the impact of music on intelligence. In W. Gruhn &amp; F. Rauscher, Neurosciences in Music Pedagogy (pp.171-201). Happague, NY: Nova Science Publishers.

<hr />

Hallam, S. (2010). The power of music: Its impact on the intellectual, social and personal development of children and young people. International Journal of Music Education 28(3), 269-289.

<hr />

Hanna, W. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2oFC7AP">The children’s music studio: A Reggio-inspired approach.</a> New York, NY: Oxford. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Heuser, F. (2011). Ensemble-based instrumental music instruction: Dead-end tradition or opportunity for socially enlightened teaching. Music Education Research 12(3), 293-305.

<hr />

Kirschner, S., &amp; Tomasello, M. (2010). Joint music making promotes prosocial behavior in 4-year-old children. Evolution and Human Behavior 31, 354-364.

<hr />

Morehouse, P.G. (2013). Toddlers through grade 2: The importance of music making in child development. YC Young Children 68(4), 82-89.

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Rauscher, F.H. (1993). Music and spatial task performance. Nature 365(6447), 611.

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Rauscher, F.H., Shaw, G.L., &amp; Ky, K.N. (1995). Listening to Mozart enhances spatial-temporal reasoning: towards a neuropsychological basis. Neuroscience Letters 185, 44-47.

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Rauscher, F.H., &amp; Zupan, M.A. (2000). Classroom keyboard instruction improves kindergarten children’s spatial-temporal performance: A field experiment. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 15(2), 215-228.

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Rauscher, F.H. (2003). Can music instruction affect children’s cognitive development? ERIC Digest EDO-PS-03-12.

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Rauscher, F.H., &amp; Hinton, S.C. (2006). The Mozart effect: Music listening is not music instruction. Educational Psychologist 41(4) 233-238.

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Schlaug, G., Norton, A., Overy, K., &amp; Winner, E. (2005). Effects of music training on the child’s brain and cognitive development. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 1060, 219-230.

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Scott, S. (2011). Contemplating a constructivist stance for active learning within music education. Arts Education Policy Review 112(4), 191-198.

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SEGMeasurement (n.d.). Effectiveness of ABC Music &amp; Me on the development of language and literacy skills. Retrieved from: https://media2.kindermusik.com/website/2015/02/ABCMusicMe_ResearchStudy_FullReport.pdf

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Smithrim, K., &amp; Upitis, R. (2005). Learning through the arts: Lessons of Engagement. Canadian Journal of Education / Revue Canadienne de l’education 28(1/2), 109-127.

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Standley, J.M., Walforth, D., &amp; Nguyen, J. (2009). Effect of parent/child group music activities on toddler development: A pilot study. Music Therapy Perspectives 27(1), 11-15.

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Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.03">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today I’d like to welcome my guest, Wendell Hanna, who is Professor of Music Education at San Francisco State University. Professor Hanna’s academic background includes a BA from the University of South Florida and a Master’s in music from Yale University in orchestral bassoon performance. After several years of teaching and performing in San Francisco Bay Area orchestras as a freelance musician, Professor Hanna then obtained her public school and teaching credential and taught elementary music in the Oregon public schools. Before obtaining a Ph.D At the University of Oregon. It was there that she shifted our attention to younger children and began researching and working musically with infants, toddlers, and preschool aged children. In 2002, she was offered a professorship at San Francisco State University where she researches and also teaches, early childhood musical development and local preschools. It was through teaching in a local corporate preschool that she encountered emergent learning and the Reggio approach. Now I discovered professor Hanna’s work not long after I heard a piece on NPR about the links between listening to music and learning grammar, so I was already looking for someone to talk with about the connections between music and child development, but today, dear listeners, we’re going to get so much more than that.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.01">[01:49]</a></u>

Professor Hanna has just published a new book called The Children’s Music Studio, a Reggio inspired approach and as soon as I read it, I knew that I had to ask her to do an interview with us because their interests coincides so neatly with my own. She brings a really rigorous evidence based view on the impact of music on a child’s development and she has also studied early childhood education in Reggio Emilia, Italy as I have done as well, and wants to bring that evidence-based view of music to Reggio inspired classrooms. Welcome Dr. Hanna.

New Speaker:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.6">[02:17]</a></u>

Thank you, Jen. Thank you for inviting me.

New Speaker: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.45">[02:20]</a></u>

So I wonder if we can start kind of probably where parents already have had some exposure to information about music and related to child development. Can you tell us what is the Mozart Effect and how does what parents might have heard about it differ from what the study actually found?

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=158">[02:38]</a></u>

Sure, so the Mozart Effect was a research study and there have been many more research studies since the original one which was in 1993 in southern California, Rauscher and Associates and they, they looked at the effect of listening to a Mozart music and how that affected learning and their results were published in Nature magazine and they said that especially on spatial reasoning and a little bit on memory that listening to Mozart had positive effects on your ability to concentrate and learn. Fortunately, people got very excited about things, especially in my field of music education, we were like, Hallelujah. This is what we’ve been looking for. Scientific evidence of what we’ve always known to be true, and here it is. However, researchers, we were like, wow, let me look into this research, and then we discovered, wow, they listened to some Mozart for 15 minutes and then they became smarter. Hm, let’s replicate this just to make sure. And so it was replicated many, many, many times and the same results were not found and that’s a problem with research; it needs to be replicated in their same results, need to be found each time or most of the times it is replicated.

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.92">[04:02]</a></u>

So that was a problem. Many people have really jumped on. The idea of Mozart makes you smarter because it feels true. It just feels so right.

New Speaker: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.8">[04:14]</a></u>

It’s so esoteric, isn’t it? It must be making me smarter.

Dr. Hanna:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.27">[04:19]</a></u>

So it’s actually fascinating from a researcher’s point of view that something that you know is right, you just haven’t been able to prove yet. And so that’s really what the Mozart Effect was about is just pure listening. And so there’s been a ton of research…neurological research and other types of research about this and so I would say the take-home point is that the Mozart effect is really likely to be an artifact of just arousal because you’re listening to the music and it makes you feel better. It heightens your mood. So that’s probably what the Mozart Effect is. You feel happier when you listen to Mozart and you feel a little more alert in your brain is a little more stimulated.

Dr. Hanna:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=307.15">[05:07]</a></u>

So those effects that were tested are likely because of that and have nothing to do with our dear friend, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, the many other types of light and happy music that would have that same effect on your short term effect.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.98">[05:26]</a></u>

And so this study was also done with college students, right?

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=330.4">[05:30]</a></u>

It was done many, many times; people have been replicating it many different ways since 1993. Sometimes it comes out positive and but most of the time it doesn’t get strong statistical results because it just has to do with listening. And the real research is more when you’re doing active music making, especially playing instruments.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=355.19">[05:55]</a></u>

Alright, so let us all be warned about the dangers of reading one study and basing our entire approach to parenting on that. So okay. So if I’m a failure as a parent and I have not had my child listening to Baby Mozart for the last couple of years, I’m curious about how children approached music. If nobody’s teaching them about it, do they have some kind of innate sense of rhythm and a desire to produce music or are these things more culturally learned?

Dr. Hanna:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=379.27">[06:19]</a></u>

Well, yes. Children have an innate ability in music, just exactly the way that they have an innate ability to learn language. So there’s a really interesting study that came out of the Child Study Movement in the early 20th century called the Morehead and Pond study was done between 1937 and 1948. And it’s fascinating because it’s more of a longitudinal – not that long, but pretty long for a study. And they had children go into a room with beautiful musical instruments and by themselves with other children. And they videotaped, I guess they videotaped… Did they have that then? Anyway, they observed and they analyzed what the children did and they found that these children were understanding music without any adult supervision. They were creating music, they were understanding form. They were interacting, they were improvising, they were singing, creating their own original compositions and some pretty amazing stuff. So I would say that’s a real seminal study and there’ve been many others that have shown that children left to their own devices are extremely musically naturally musical.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=454.91">[07:34]</a></u>

Mmhmm. And where do you think that comes from?

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=457.22">[07:37]</a></u>

Well, it’s evolution.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.67">[07:39]</a></u>

And what what purpose does it serve?

Dr. Hanna:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=462.98">[07:42]</a></u>

Well, there’s a lot of theories on that. There’s definitely…. Music is definitely kind of brings the tribe together. It makes you feel more secure and protected. It gives you…and this answers your, your second part of the question which is about cultural learned. Whether music is culturally learned, but it. It helps you identify with your culture and children. They have an innate nature to respond to music, but there is a natural development that is occurring and that natural development can be further enhanced with exposure; parents exposing them to wide variety of music as well as direct instruction, so it’s kind of there’s an innate ability and children can do it on their own, but if adults give a very rich environment and exposure to music and some direct instruction, then that is really, really heightened because there’s so many neuronal connections in the brain for all kinds of learning and as we’ll talk a little bit more, language learning and music learning really out as one in the same in a baby, and then it splits later on. So if you’re encouraging language development, you’re also encouraging musical development and if you’re encouraging music development, you’re also encouraging some language development.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.63">[09:12]</a></u>

Okay. I’m wondering what my daughter is learning from the Maroon Five music that she has a preference for at the moment.

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=562.12">[09:22]</a></u>

I’m sure she’s learning a lot!

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=562.25">[09:22]</a></u>

I am sure she is. I hesitate to imagine what. So you mentioned a couple of times as you were explaining that, that if parents provide direct instruction as well as exposure to different kinds of music, what do you mean by direct instruction in that

Dr. Hanna: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=575.01">[09:35]</a></u>

format? Well, purposeful interaction for music’s sake, if you take them to a, a child parent class and the Music Together classes are very popular here in the bay area and I think all over the country now. And those are wonderful classes, but there’s a variety of music. The children are playing instruments, you know, it’s tactile; it’s locomotor… They’re jumping up and down and they’re moving and they’re, they’re singing and they’re just participating in music with others and with adults and not passive, not just listening to music in the background.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=611.46">[10:11]</a></u>

Okay. Okay. Alright. So now really starting to dig into the research here. I want to try and untangle what some of the research says on the benefits to children of being involved in music because I read through a bunch of abstracts of papers on this topic and you kind of get the impression that music is absolutely incredible at promoting children’s cognitive development. But then when you dig into the methodology and the results, you find things like children who attend music classes are able to look at a pattern of beads and replicate it from memory more effectively than children who didn’t attend classes and that kind of skill does have good implications, visual memory and chunking of information, both of which are very important in reading, but there was also no difference between the two groups on the other five subtests of a well known intelligence test. But the abstract to that study says “this study suggests a significant correspondence between early music instruction on spatial temporal reasoning abilities”. So I’m wondering, based on what you know of kind of the totality of the literature and not just honing in on one study’s results, is there a benefit to a child’s development from making music and what kind of music does the child have to do to gain this benefit?

Dr. Hanna:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tOr-VcNhLoFCRg1qPkVQSkwchrxuvb1GhFxlwh3f2D1bF9MCJpZBYOUC33Bp5VQIoVgLn4ye2hXKzx7dRrEYiajnfFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=682.54">[11:22]</a></u>

Well, I would really recommend this wonderful book. It’s very easy to read by Daniel Levinson. He’s a neurologist up in Canada and it’s called This...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/music]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1608</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:33:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/31b00ef6-3989-44b6-af6f-8837da24f5e0/your-parenting-mojo-wendell-hanna.mp3" length="47551135" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>I can’t play any instruments (unless the recorder counts?).  I certainly can’t sing.  But my daughter really enjoys music, and there are a whole host of studies showing how playing music benefits children’s brain development.  So what’s a non-music playing, non-singing parent to do?
Dr. Wendell Hanna’s new book, the http://amzn.to/2oFC7AP (Children’s Music Studio: A Reggio-Inspired Approach) (Affiliate link), give us SO MANY ways to interact with music with our children.  I tried one of her ‘provocations’ with my daughter’s daycare class and I was blown away.  Give this episode a listen, and be inspired.
 

Other episodes referenced in this episode
https://yourparentingmojo.com/reggio/ (027: Is a Reggio Emilia-inspired preschool right for my child?)
To hear my interview with math tutor Wes Carroll, go to http://www.yourhomeschoolingmojo.com (www.yourhomeschoolingmojo.com), click any of the “sign up” buttons on that page, scroll down to see the curriculum of the course, and look for the interview with Wes which is available as a free preview.
 
References
Allsup, R.E., and Benedict, C. (2008). The problems of band: An inquiry into the future of instrumental music education. Philosophy of Music Education Review 16(2), 156-173.
Anvari, S.H., Trainor, L.J., Woodside, J., and Levy, B.A. (2002). Relations among musical skills, phonological processing, and early reading ability in preschool children. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 83, 111-130.
Bilhartz, T.D., Bruhn, R.A., and Olson, J.E. (2000). The effect of early music training on child cognitive development. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 20(4), 616-636.
Catterall, J.S., and Rauscher, F.H. (2008). Unpacking the impact of music on intelligence. In W. Gruhn and F. Rauscher, Neurosciences in Music Pedagogy (pp.171-201). Happague, NY: Nova Science Publishers.
Hallam, S. (2010). The power of music: Its impact on the intellectual, social and personal development of children and young people. International Journal of Music Education 28(3), 269-289.
Hanna, W. (2016). http://amzn.to/2oFC7AP (The children’s music studio: A Reggio-inspired approach.) New York, NY: Oxford. (Affiliate link)
Heuser, F. (2011). Ensemble-based instrumental music instruction: Dead-end tradition or opportunity for socially enlightened teaching. Music Education Research 12(3), 293-305.
Kirschner, S., and Tomasello, M. (2010). Joint music making promotes prosocial behavior in 4-year-old children. Evolution and Human Behavior 31, 354-364.
Morehouse, P.G. (2013). Toddlers through grade 2: The importance of music making in child development. YC Young Children 68(4), 82-89.
Rauscher, F.H. (1993). Music and spatial task performance. Nature 365(6447), 611.
Rauscher, F.H., Shaw, G.L., and Ky, K.N. (1995). Listening to Mozart enhances spatial-temporal reasoning: towards a neuropsychological basis. Neuroscience Letters 185, 44-47.
Rauscher, F.H., and Zupan, M.A. (2000). Classroom keyboard instruction improves kindergarten childrne’s spatial-temporal performance: A field experiement. Early Childhood Research Quarterly 15(2), 215-228.
Rauscher, F.H. (2003). Can music instruction affect children’s cognitive development? ERIC Digest EDO-PS-03-12.
Rauscher, F.H., and Hinton, S.C. (2006). The Mozart effect: Music listening is not music instruction. Educational Psychologist 41(4) 233-238.
Schlaug, G., Norton, A., Overy, K., and Winner, E. (2005). Effects of music training on the child’s brain and cognitive development. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 1060, 219-230.
Scott, S. (2011). Contemplating a constructivist stance for active learning within music education. Arts Education Policy Review 112(4), 191-198.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>043: How to talk with children about death</title><itunes:title>043: How to talk with children about death</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[The topic of today’s episode comes courtesy of my good friend Sarah, who fortunately hasn’t yet had any reason to use this knowledge, but asked me to do an episode on how to help children cope with illness, death, and grief, so she can be ready in case she ever needs it.

Dr. Atle Dyregrov joins us from Bergen, Norway. He graduated as a psychologist in 1980 and worked for five years in the Pediatrics department at Haukeland University Hostpital, helping families whose children had died. He also co-founded the Center for Crisis Psychology and served as its general manager for 25 years; he is now its academic director. He has worked particularly extensively with children who have experienced loss and trauma, as well as at the sites of major accidents and disasters both in Norway and abroad, and has written numerous books, book chapters, and research articles on children’s response to death and crises.

It turns out that this ended up being a very timely episode for me indeed: you’ll hear in the show that my mum died when I was young.  Not even a week after I did this interview, my newly three-year-old daughter was playing with Legos in our living room when she asked – completely out of the blue – “Do you have a mama?”  Having done this interview I was well-prepared for a short but straightforward conversation, and was able to shift what would likely have been a very uncomfortable situation for me into something where I felt much more confident in explaining how people’s bodies stop working when they die.

Subscribers to my newsletter will recall that we spent last week in Missouri visiting the very same Sarah who requested the episode, and I had given her a summary of the content and told her about my daughter’s question.  A couple of days later Sarah and my daughter found a dead bug on a playground and Sarah said “I think it’s dead,” and my daughter responded “Did it’s body stop working?”.  Sarah was taken aback…and amused…and was able to answer the question without losing her cool.

Listen to this episode – we’re all gonna need it at some point!

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<strong>Dr. Atle Dyregrov's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3V5mgZM">Grief in children: A handbook for adults</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Abdelnoor, A., &amp; Hollins, S. (2004). The effect of childhood bereavement on secondary school performance. Educational Psychology in Practice 20(1), 43-54.

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Adams-Greenly, M., &amp; &amp; Moynihan, R.T. (1983). Helping the children of fatally ill parents. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 53(2), 219-229.

<hr />

Ayers, T.S., Wolchik, S.A., Sandler, I.N., Twohey, J.L., Weyer, J.L, Padgett-Jones, D., Weiss, L., Cole, E., &amp; Kriege, G. (2013-2014). The family bereavement program: Description of a theory-based prevention program for parentally-bereaved children and adolescents. Omega 68(4), 293-314.

<hr />

Baker, J.E., Sedney, M.A., &amp; Gross, E. (1992). Psychological tasks for bereaved children.  American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 62(1), 105-116.

<hr />

Berg. L., Rostila, M., &amp; Hjern, A. (2016). Parental death during childhood and depression in young adults – a national cohort study. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 57(9), 1092-1098.

<hr />

Berg, L., Rostila, M., Saarela, J., &amp; Hjern, A. (2014). Parental death during childhood and subsequent school performance. Pediatrics 133, 682-689.

<hr />

Bugge, K.E., Darbyshire, P., Rokholt, E.G., Haugstvedt, K.T.S., &amp; Helseth, S. (2014). Young children’s grief: Parents’ understanding and coping. Death Studies 38, 36-43.

<hr />

Corr, C.A., &amp; Balk, D.E. (2010). Children’s encounters with death, bereavement, and coping. New York, NY: Springer.

<hr />

Dyregrov, A. (2008). <a href="http://amzn.to/2qBKfRZ">Grief in children: A handbook for adults (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.).</a> London, U.K.: Jessica Kingsley.

<hr />

Engarhos, P. (2012). The young child’s understanding of death: Early conversations and experiences with parents and caregivers. Unpublished doctoral dissertation. McGill University. Montreal, Canada.

<hr />

Kristensen, P., Dyregrov, A., Dyregrov, K., &amp; Heir, T. (2016). Media exposure and prolonged grief: A study of bereaved parents and siblings after the 2011 Utoya Island terror attack. Psychological Trauma: Theory, Research, Practice, and Policy 8(6), 661-667.

<hr />

Renaud, S-J., Engarhos, P., Schleifer, M., &amp; Talwar, V. (2015). Children’s earliest experiences with death: Circumstances, conversations, explanations, and parental satisfaction. Infant and Child Development 24, 157-174.

<hr />

Yang, S., &amp; Park, S. (2017). A sociocultural approach to children’s perceptions of death and loss. OMEGA. [Epublication ahead of print.] DOI: 10.1177/0030222817693138

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.45">[00:37]</a></u>

Good morning and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. This episode comes to us courtesy of my good friend Sarah, who fortunately hasn’t yet had any reason to use this knowledge, but she asked me to do an episode on how to help children cope with illness, death, and grief, so she can be ready in case she ever needs it. So my guest today is Dr. Atle Dyregrov, who joins us today from Bergen, Norway, and he’s actually the first knighted interviewee on the show, so we’re going to refer to him as Sir Dyregrov. He’s also a professor at the University of Bergen, Norway. He graduated as a psychologist in 1980 and worked for five years in the pediatrics department at Haukeland University Hospital, helping families whose children had died. He also co-founded the Center for Crisis Psychology and served as General Manager for 25 years and he’s now it’s Academic Director.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.05">[01:29]</a></u>

He’s worked particularly extensively with children who have experienced loss and trauma as well as at the sites of major accidents and disasters, both in Norway and abroad, and has written numerous books, book chapters and research articles on children’s response to death and crises. Welcome Dr. Dyregrov.

Dr. Dyregrov:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.37">[01:45]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.06">[01:46]</a></u>

Thank you. It’s such a pleasure to have you here. Now. Before we get started on this topic, I just want to have a little word with my listeners because some of the episodes that I do on the show are episodes that I do for them and some of them are closer to my heart and this is one that’s a little closer to my heart as well. It’s not really a secret, but it hasn’t come up yet in the course of doing the show that my own mom died when I was 10. In a way that was both sudden and unexpected and it was so long ago now that it’s not really a difficult thing for me to talk about anymore, but I kind of wanted to make sure that people are aware of it because it does impact the way that I talk about death and also the way that I think about it.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.86">[02:20]</a></u>

I’ve lived with it for so long now that I sort of think I’ve earned the right to have a bit of a dark sense of humor. I also use very frank language like death and dead rather than passing or lost, and whenever someone uses the word lost, when they actually mean someone died. I always think of a quote from that fabulous Oscar Wilde play The Importance of Being Earnest, where Jack Worthington says, “I have lost both of my parents,” and Lady Bracknell responds: “To lose one parent, Mr. Worthington, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.” So our goal today is to try and understand what children understand about death and how they experience grief and to give you some real tools you can use when you need to talk with them about it. So let’s get started. All right, Dr. Dyregrov. I thought we could begin on Canada. Easier end of the questions and work our way towards the harder ones. So death is everywhere around us, you know, it happens to all of us and our media is absolutely saturated with it, but we have such a hard time talking about it and particularly talking about it with children. So I’m wondering if you can tell us your thoughts on why this is and is it really because we’re afraid of saying the wrong thing and should we be afraid of that?

Dr. Dyregrov:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.9">[03:31]</a></u>

I think that’s part of the reason, but I also think that we are afraid of it because it has to do with our own vulnerability; the thought that maybe we will die away from our children to be left alone. That’s a hard thing for parents to think about and talk about. So it is a difficult topic for everyone. And I think it’s that some of the reasons for]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[The topic of today’s episode comes courtesy of my good friend Sarah, who fortunately hasn’t yet had any reason to use this knowledge, but asked me to do an episode on how to help children cope with illness, death, and grief, so she can be ready in case she ever needs it.

Dr. Atle Dyregrov joins us from Bergen, Norway. He graduated as a psychologist in 1980 and worked for five years in the Pediatrics department at Haukeland University Hostpital, helping families whose children had died. He also co-founded the Center for Crisis Psychology and served as its general manager for 25 years; he is now its academic director. He has worked particularly extensively with children who have experienced loss and trauma, as well as at the sites of major accidents and disasters both in Norway and abroad, and has written numerous books, book chapters, and research articles on children’s response to death and crises.

It turns out that this ended up being a very timely episode for me indeed: you’ll hear in the show that my mum died when I was young.  Not even a week after I did this interview, my newly three-year-old daughter was playing with Legos in our living room when she asked – completely out of the blue – “Do you have a mama?”  Having done this interview I was well-prepared for a short but straightforward conversation, and was able to shift what would likely have been a very uncomfortable situation for me into something where I felt much more confident in explaining how people’s bodies stop working when they die.

Subscribers to my newsletter will recall that we spent last week in Missouri visiting the very same Sarah who requested the episode, and I had given her a summary of the content and told her about my daughter’s question.  A couple of days later Sarah and my daughter found a dead bug on a playground and Sarah said “I think it’s dead,” and my daughter responded “Did it’s body stop working?”.  Sarah was taken aback…and amused…and was able to answer the question without losing her cool.

Listen to this episode – we’re all gonna need it at some point!

&nbsp;

<strong>Dr. Atle Dyregrov's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3V5mgZM">Grief in children: A handbook for adults</a> - Affiliate link

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Abdelnoor, A., &amp; Hollins, S. (2004). The effect of childhood bereavement on secondary school performance. Educational Psychology in Practice 20(1), 43-54.

<hr />

Adams-Greenly, M., &amp; &amp; Moynihan, R.T. (1983). Helping the children of fatally ill parents. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 53(2), 219-229.

<hr />

Ayers, T.S., Wolchik, S.A., Sandler, I.N., Twohey, J.L., Weyer, J.L, Padgett-Jones, D., Weiss, L., Cole, E., &amp; Kriege, G. (2013-2014). The family bereavement program: Description of a theory-based prevention program for parentally-bereaved children and adolescents. Omega 68(4), 293-314.

<hr />

Baker, J.E., Sedney, M.A., &amp; Gross, E. (1992). Psychological tasks for bereaved children.  American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 62(1), 105-116.

<hr />

Berg. L., Rostila, M., &amp; Hjern, A. (2016). Parental death during childhood and depression in young adults – a national cohort study. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 57(9), 1092-1098.

<hr />

Berg, L., Rostila, M., Saarela, J., &amp; Hjern, A. (2014). Parental death during childhood and subsequent school performance. Pediatrics 133, 682-689.

<hr />

Bugge, K.E., Darbyshire, P., Rokholt, E.G., Haugstvedt, K.T.S., &amp; Helseth, S. (2014). Young children’s grief: Parents’ understanding and coping. Death Studies 38, 36-43.

<hr />

Corr, C.A., &amp; Balk, D.E. (2010). Children’s encounters with death, bereavement, and coping. New York, NY: Springer.

<hr />

Dyregrov, A. (2008). <a href="http://amzn.to/2qBKfRZ">Grief in children: A handbook for adults (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.).</a> London, U.K.: Jessica Kingsley.

<hr />

Engarhos, P. (2012). The young child’s understanding of death: Early conversations and experiences with parents and caregivers. Unpublished doctoral dissertation. McGill University. Montreal, Canada.

<hr />

Kristensen, P., Dyregrov, A., Dyregrov, K., &amp; Heir, T. (2016). Media exposure and prolonged grief: A study of bereaved parents and siblings after the 2011 Utoya Island terror attack. Psychological Trauma: Theory, Research, Practice, and Policy 8(6), 661-667.

<hr />

Renaud, S-J., Engarhos, P., Schleifer, M., &amp; Talwar, V. (2015). Children’s earliest experiences with death: Circumstances, conversations, explanations, and parental satisfaction. Infant and Child Development 24, 157-174.

<hr />

Yang, S., &amp; Park, S. (2017). A sociocultural approach to children’s perceptions of death and loss. OMEGA. [Epublication ahead of print.] DOI: 10.1177/0030222817693138

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.45">[00:37]</a></u>

Good morning and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. This episode comes to us courtesy of my good friend Sarah, who fortunately hasn’t yet had any reason to use this knowledge, but she asked me to do an episode on how to help children cope with illness, death, and grief, so she can be ready in case she ever needs it. So my guest today is Dr. Atle Dyregrov, who joins us today from Bergen, Norway, and he’s actually the first knighted interviewee on the show, so we’re going to refer to him as Sir Dyregrov. He’s also a professor at the University of Bergen, Norway. He graduated as a psychologist in 1980 and worked for five years in the pediatrics department at Haukeland University Hospital, helping families whose children had died. He also co-founded the Center for Crisis Psychology and served as General Manager for 25 years and he’s now it’s Academic Director.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.05">[01:29]</a></u>

He’s worked particularly extensively with children who have experienced loss and trauma as well as at the sites of major accidents and disasters, both in Norway and abroad, and has written numerous books, book chapters and research articles on children’s response to death and crises. Welcome Dr. Dyregrov.

Dr. Dyregrov:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.37">[01:45]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.06">[01:46]</a></u>

Thank you. It’s such a pleasure to have you here. Now. Before we get started on this topic, I just want to have a little word with my listeners because some of the episodes that I do on the show are episodes that I do for them and some of them are closer to my heart and this is one that’s a little closer to my heart as well. It’s not really a secret, but it hasn’t come up yet in the course of doing the show that my own mom died when I was 10. In a way that was both sudden and unexpected and it was so long ago now that it’s not really a difficult thing for me to talk about anymore, but I kind of wanted to make sure that people are aware of it because it does impact the way that I talk about death and also the way that I think about it.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.86">[02:20]</a></u>

I’ve lived with it for so long now that I sort of think I’ve earned the right to have a bit of a dark sense of humor. I also use very frank language like death and dead rather than passing or lost, and whenever someone uses the word lost, when they actually mean someone died. I always think of a quote from that fabulous Oscar Wilde play The Importance of Being Earnest, where Jack Worthington says, “I have lost both of my parents,” and Lady Bracknell responds: “To lose one parent, Mr. Worthington, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.” So our goal today is to try and understand what children understand about death and how they experience grief and to give you some real tools you can use when you need to talk with them about it. So let’s get started. All right, Dr. Dyregrov. I thought we could begin on Canada. Easier end of the questions and work our way towards the harder ones. So death is everywhere around us, you know, it happens to all of us and our media is absolutely saturated with it, but we have such a hard time talking about it and particularly talking about it with children. So I’m wondering if you can tell us your thoughts on why this is and is it really because we’re afraid of saying the wrong thing and should we be afraid of that?

Dr. Dyregrov:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.9">[03:31]</a></u>

I think that’s part of the reason, but I also think that we are afraid of it because it has to do with our own vulnerability; the thought that maybe we will die away from our children to be left alone. That’s a hard thing for parents to think about and talk about. So it is a difficult topic for everyone. And I think it’s that some of the reasons for why we hesitate when we speak with children.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.52">[04:01]</a></u>

And it just seems so strange to me that it’s, I mean it’s everywhere on TV and we watch it all the time, but even when we’re not talking with children, it’s such a taboo topic.

Dr. Dyregrov:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.66">[04:14]</a></u>

Yeah. But it’s getting gradually better, I think it said when I started in the field in the early eighties, children were not allowed into the hospital if there was a sibling who was very ill, are much more open about it now than we were and that happens everywhere. But, but it’s been a general movement across the world that we are more open with more direct and our responses to children. So I think we’re on the right way.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=286.08">[04:46]</a></u>

Okay. Well that’s, that’s a good sign then. So I’m curious about what children understand about death. We were actually.. I was taking my daughter down to the car this morning so she could head off to daycare and she was talking about how the rosebuds on our tree outside our house had died. And I was curious about what her conception is of that. Does she know that dying is forever? Does she know they’re not going to come back into bloom again in two weeks? What do children in general understand about death and what are some of the transitions they go through in this understanding as they get older?

Dr. Dyregrov:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.25">[05:19]</a></u>

Well, in the preschool age, they have a problem understanding that when we’re dead, it’s irreversible; they can’t turn it back. They will ask you, well, in 14 days he’d be back! They also have difficulties understanding that all life functions cease when we die and they don’t understand that death is universal, that everyone will die. Sometimes depending on their actual experience, there is a transition when they get towards between four and six years, usually they would grasp more of this. My own son was…my youngest son was four and a half when his best friend and her and his sister were killed in a traffic accident as well as the mother and when we were going, and I took him to also see the three dead ones then, and before he saw them, he was saying that in 14 days he’d be back; after the summer, he’d be back.

Dr. Dyregrov:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=378.58">[06:18]</a></u>

He was sort of not grasping their irreversibility of it, and then when we had seen them and he had taken into concrete facts on the way back home, he said that now we can never do this, now we can never do this. So he sort of took a step because of his practical experience with death and you see that in many children, that they gradually come to grasp with this and they understand that when we’re dead we don’t think, and the hair doesn’t grow any longer but it depends on how much you’re exposed to death also.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=416.89">[06:56]</a></u>

So you talked about the irreversibility there and then also the body is still a functioning after death. So it would be pretty common then to think that someone might have been buried but still be breathing or something in a way.

Dr. Dyregrov:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=429.73">[07:09]</a></u>

Yes, that’s exactly what happens. They wonder who will give a person water; what if they’re thirsty? So they have this sense that they go on living and they would feel pain. So when we explain. We have to be very concrete that might make them understand how the death is concrete than that we don’t feel anything and we don’t need the supplies we usually would have as persons.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=454.01">[07:34]</a></u>

Okay. And so I, I know you wrote a book on this topic, it’s called Grief and Children: A Handbook for Adults and I found it very clearly written; the language is so concrete and it was so helpful to me in understanding ways to talk about this and you say in it that you should…or the parents should let the child experience the death in the same way that the family does and if there is a viewing of the body that the children should be allowed to see the body if they want to. That to me seems…I mean my mom was cremated so I didn’t have that option, but I’m just thinking about, you know, taking my three year old to see a body and it’s a very strange feeling for me and I’m not saying I wouldn’t do it, but it does feel strange.

Dr. Dyregrov:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.29">[08:15]</a></u>

It does, but we’ve changed the culture in Norway when we started out, it was very uncommon to have children even participating in the funeral now children are included in rituals and we’ve also done a study where we’ve interviewed children about this and they say that children should not be left out. That should be part of this. And they argue for why it’s important for them because this is something you cannot undo later. It is something that helps them understand that death is real. It can contract the fantasies they have about what death is and it is also an opportunity for expressing. They can bring into the coffin, drawings; they can have written a farewell letter. And I’ve lots of practical experience with this now, and of course there’s been some children who struggled with the image, they see the dead person and it’s different than they thought it would be, so, so that create, can create a sort of, a traumatic image for them, but we can always help with that. But it’s very hard if a child who’s eight asks, where were I; did I get the chance to see? And we have to say no and we cannot undo that they’ve been kept out of this. So I really tell parents that the best thing is to include them, but I also say never force them. Parents must also feel comfortable with bringing the children along and it demands that adults prepare them, that they follow them through and give them explanations for what they see for also the adults’ reactions they may observe and then follow up afterwards with conversation about what they’ve been part of.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=607.48">[10:07]</a></u>

Yeah. It seems that that preparation is really key, right? I mean, if you don’t know what you’re going to see. And I, I’m actually not sure I’ve ever seen a dead body, so I don’t know how I would prepare someone, but I assume there are people you can talk to about that kind of thing. Um, and that you should have a conversation with the child in advance, right? About what they’re going to see.

Dr. Dyregrov:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.55">[10:25]</a></u>

Definitely. It’s, it’s the difference between something that can be experienced traumatic, and what can be therapeutic for you lies in the preparation.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.12">[10:35]</a></u>

Okay. And so do you find that funeral homes are typically well equipped to have those kinds of conversations or how do you do it if you don’t feel comfortable doing it yourself?

Dr. Dyregrov:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=645.31">[10:45]</a></u>

In Norway we see that the, I don’t know what it’s called, the funeral and the undertaker?

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=651.87">[10:51]</a></u>

Yeah; same thing.

Dr. Dyregrov:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_O5-k1VVN7dE8JRUhFKUbM6Xj_Nn3eaRg2wXtNjVCgB4T9hap5eRpC8p8I4aKOD3nnGaIRpgEI3KqEVAPMNYGM2Yisw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=652.48">[10:52]</a></u>

They are the ones that often introduce this to the families and also try to get the parents to include children. And so it’s more the rule that children will be part than they are excluded. And the same… If there’s damage to the body due to accidents or suicide, they will. If parents can’t be that children shouldn’t be there, but when parents can be there, children can be, and I have helped some who struggled with images, but it’s very few compared to how many will take part in this, but there are cultural differences here and]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/death]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1596</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e60a5960-aed0-4ba7-a284-2d4b6a679bcb/deathmixdown.mp3" length="23636399" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>The topic of today’s episode comes courtesy of my good friend Sarah, who fortunately hasn’t yet had any reason to use this knowledge, but asked me to do an episode on how to help children cope with illness, death, and grief, so she can be ready in case she ever needs it.

Dr. Atle Dyregrov joins us from Bergen, Norway. He graduated as a psychologist in 1980 and worked for five years in the Pediatrics department at Haukeland University Hostpital, helping families whose children had died. He also co-founded the Center for Crisis Psychology and served as its general manager for 25 years; he is now its academic director. He has worked particularly extensively with children who have experienced loss and trauma, as well as at the sites of major accidents and disasters both in Norway and abroad, and has written numerous books, book chapters, and research articles on children’s response to death and crises.

It turns out that this ended up being a very timely episode for me indeed: you&apos;ll hear in the show that my mum died when I was young.  Not even a week after I did this interview, my daughter was playing with Legos in our living room when she asked - completely out of the blue - &quot;Do you have a mama?&quot;  Having done this interview I was well-prepared for a short but straightforward conversation, and was able to shift what would likely have been a very uncomfortable situation for me into something where I felt much more confident in explaining how people&apos;s bodies stop working when they die.

Subscribers to my newsletter will recall that we spent last week in Missouri visiting the very same Sarah who requested the episode, and I had given her a summary of the content and told her about my daughter&apos;s question.  A couple of days later Sarah and my daughter found a dead bug on a playground and Sarah said &quot;I think it&apos;s dead,&quot; and my daughter responded &quot;Did it&apos;s body stop working?&quot;.  Sarah was taken aback...and amused...and was able to answer the question without losing her cool.  

Listen to this episode - we&apos;re all gonna need it at some point!</itunes:summary></item><item><title>042: How to teach a child to use manners</title><itunes:title>042: How to teach a child to use manners</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I actually hadn’t realized what a can of worms I was opening when I started the research for today’s episode, which is on the topic of manners and politeness. It began innocently enough – as an English person, for whom manners are pretty important, I started to wonder why my almost three-year-old doesn’t have better manners yet. It turns out that it was a much more difficult subject to research than I’d anticipated, in part because it draws on a variety of disciplines, from child development to linguistics.

And at the heart of it, I found myself torn between two different perspectives. The parenting philosophy that underlies the respectful relationship I have with my daughter, which is called Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE, advocates for the use of modeling to transmit cultural information like manners – if you, the parent, are a polite person, then your child will learn about manners. On the flip side of that is the practice of saying “what do you say?” or something similar when you want your child to say “please” or “thank you,” something that I know a lot of parents do. My general approach has been to model good manners consistently but I do find it drives me bananas when my daughter says “I want a [whatever it is]” without saying “please,” and RIE also says parents should set a limit on behavior when they find it annoying. So I have been trying to walk a fine line between always modeling good manners and requiring a “please” before I acquiesce to a demand, and I wondered whether research could help me to come down on one side or the other of this line and just be sure about what I’m doing. So this episode is going to be about my explorations through the literature on this topic, which are winding and convoluted – actually both the literature and my explorations are winding and convoluted, and by the time we get to the end I hope to sort out how I’m going to instill a sense of politeness in my daughter, and how you might be able to do it for your child as well.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/004-how-to-encourage-creativity-and-artistic-ability-in-young-children/">004: How to encourage creativity and artistic ability in children (and symbolic representation)</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/lying/">026: Is my child lying to me? (Hint: yes!)</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">005: How to “scaffold” children’s learning to help them succeed</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/chores/">034: How do I get my child to do chores?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/007-help-toddler-wont-eat-vegetables/">007: Help!  My toddler won’t eat vegetables</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/pink/">031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/006-wait-is-my-toddler-racist/">006: Wait, is my toddler racist?</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Becker, J.A. (1988). The success of parents’ indirect techniques for teaching their preschoolers pragmatic skills. <em>First Language 8,</em> 173-182.

<hr />

Brown, P., &amp; Levinson, S.C. (1987). <em>Politeness: Some Universals in Language Usage.</em> Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

De Lucca Freitas, L.B., Pieta, M.A.M., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2011). Beyond Politeness: The expression of gratitude in children and adolescents. <em>Psicologia: Reflexao e Critica 24</em>(4), 757-764.

<hr />

Durlack, J.A., Weissberg, R.P., Dymnicki, A.B., Taylor, R.D., &amp; Schellinger, K.B. (2011). The impact of enhancing student’s social and emotional learning: A meta-analysis of school-based universal interventions. <em>Child Development 82</em>(1), 405-432.

<hr />

Einzig, R. (2015). Model graciousness. Retrieved from: <a href="https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/">https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/</a> (Also see Robin’s Facebook page at <a href="https://www.facebook.com/visiblechildinc/">https://www.facebook.com/visiblechildinc/</a>)

<hr />

Ervin-Tripp, S., Guo, J., &amp; Lampert, M. (1990). Politeness and persuasion in children’s control acts. <em>Journal of Pragmatics 14</em>, 307-331.

<hr />

Grief, E.B., &amp; Gleason, J.B. (1980). Hi, thanks, and goodbye: More routine information. <em>Language in Society 9</em>(2), 159-166.

<hr />

Ely, R., &amp; Gleason, J.B. (2006). I’m sorry I said that: Apologies in young children’s discourse. <em>Journal of Child Language 33</em> (599-620).

<hr />

Gleason, J.B., Perlmann, R.Y., Grief, E.B. (1984). What’s the magic word: Learning language through politeness routines. <em>Discourse Processes 7</em>(4), 493-502.

<hr />

Kuykendall, J. (1993). “Please,” “Thank you,” “You’re welcome”: Teacher language can positively impact prosocial development. <em>Day Care and Early Education 21</em>(1), 30-32.

<hr />

Lancy, D.F. (2015). <em>The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings</em> (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Lansbury, J. (2014, January 16). They’ll grow into it – Trusting children to develop manners, toilet skills, emotional regulation and more. Retrieved from: http://www.janetlansbury.com/2014/01/theyll-grow-into-it-trusting-children-to-develop-manners-toilet-skills-emotional-regulation-and-more/

<hr />

Lo, A., &amp; Howard, K.M. (2009). Mobilizing respect and politeness in classrooms. <em>Linguistics and Education 20</em>, 211-216.

<hr />

Snow, C.E., &amp; Gleason, J.B. (1990). Developmental perspectives on politeness: Sources of children’s knowledge. <em>Journal of Pragmatics 14</em>, 289-305.

<hr />

Suzuku, M. (2015, October 23). Bowing in Japan: Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about how to bow, and how not to bow, in Japan. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bowing-in-japan/">https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bowing-in-japan/</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  I actually hadn’t realized what a can of worms I was opening when I started the research for today’s episode, which is on the topic of manners and politeness.  It began innocently enough – as an English person (honestly, despite the strange accent) for whom manners are pretty important, I started to wonder why my almost three-year-old doesn’t have better manners yet.  It turns out that it was a much more difficult subject to research than I’d anticipated, in part because it draws on a variety of disciplines, from child development to linguistics.

And at the heart of it, I found myself torn between two different perspectives.  The parenting philosophy that underlies the respectful relationship I have with my daughter, which is called Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE, advocates for the use of modeling to transmit cultural information like manners – if you, the parent, are a polite person, then your child will learn about manners.  On the flip side of that is the practice of saying “what do you say?” or something similar when you want your child to say “please” or “thank you,” something that I know a lot of parents do.  My general approach has been to model good manners consistently but I do find it drives me bananas when my daughter says “I want a [whatever it is]” without saying “please,” and RIE also says parents should set a limit on behavior when they find it annoying.  So I have been trying to walk a fine line between always modeling good manners and requiring a “please” before I acquiesce to a demand, and I wondered whether research could help me to come down on one side or the other of this line and just be sure about what I’m doing.  So this episode is going to be about my explorations through the literature on this topic, which are winding and convoluted – actually both the literature and my explorations are winding and convoluted, and by the time we get to the end I hope to sort out how I’m going to instill a sense of politeness in my daughter, and how you might be able to do it for your child as well.

&nbsp;

So the first thing we should acknowledge as we set out on our journey, that both politeness and impoliteness are awfully difficult to define, they are contextually appropriate, and they are culturally appropriate as well.  In fact, politeness and impoliteness seem to be difficult to define *because* they are contextually appropriate and culturally appropriate.  So we might agree that it is rude to interrupt people when they are speaking, and yet I’m sure we can all imagine a time when we were excited to tell someone something and we interrupted them – perhaps repeatedly – so we could do it.  We might even be able to find a culture where interrupting people isn’t that rude at all.

We might all agree that saying “please” and “thank you” form the basis of good manners and yet how many of us ALWAYS say these things at the appropriate times?  I pride myself on my manners and yet I know I don’t ALWAYS use them (although I do make an extra special effort to use them when my daughter is around).  And manners are, of course, highly culturally appropriate – you only need to think of how strange it seems to Americans to bow to someone else to show deference and respect, which is, of course, commonplace in Japan – there’s a helpful guide linked in the references to the exact number of degrees your bow should be in each of a variety of circumstances that require different levels of deference and respect in Japan.  But there are some countries in southern Europe where the translation of “please” into the...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I actually hadn’t realized what a can of worms I was opening when I started the research for today’s episode, which is on the topic of manners and politeness. It began innocently enough – as an English person, for whom manners are pretty important, I started to wonder why my almost three-year-old doesn’t have better manners yet. It turns out that it was a much more difficult subject to research than I’d anticipated, in part because it draws on a variety of disciplines, from child development to linguistics.

And at the heart of it, I found myself torn between two different perspectives. The parenting philosophy that underlies the respectful relationship I have with my daughter, which is called Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE, advocates for the use of modeling to transmit cultural information like manners – if you, the parent, are a polite person, then your child will learn about manners. On the flip side of that is the practice of saying “what do you say?” or something similar when you want your child to say “please” or “thank you,” something that I know a lot of parents do. My general approach has been to model good manners consistently but I do find it drives me bananas when my daughter says “I want a [whatever it is]” without saying “please,” and RIE also says parents should set a limit on behavior when they find it annoying. So I have been trying to walk a fine line between always modeling good manners and requiring a “please” before I acquiesce to a demand, and I wondered whether research could help me to come down on one side or the other of this line and just be sure about what I’m doing. So this episode is going to be about my explorations through the literature on this topic, which are winding and convoluted – actually both the literature and my explorations are winding and convoluted, and by the time we get to the end I hope to sort out how I’m going to instill a sense of politeness in my daughter, and how you might be able to do it for your child as well.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/004-how-to-encourage-creativity-and-artistic-ability-in-young-children/">004: How to encourage creativity and artistic ability in children (and symbolic representation)</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/lying/">026: Is my child lying to me? (Hint: yes!)</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning/">005: How to “scaffold” children’s learning to help them succeed</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/chores/">034: How do I get my child to do chores?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/007-help-toddler-wont-eat-vegetables/">007: Help!  My toddler won’t eat vegetables</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/pink/">031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/006-wait-is-my-toddler-racist/">006: Wait, is my toddler racist?</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Becker, J.A. (1988). The success of parents’ indirect techniques for teaching their preschoolers pragmatic skills. <em>First Language 8,</em> 173-182.

<hr />

Brown, P., &amp; Levinson, S.C. (1987). <em>Politeness: Some Universals in Language Usage.</em> Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

De Lucca Freitas, L.B., Pieta, M.A.M., &amp; Tudge, J.R.H. (2011). Beyond Politeness: The expression of gratitude in children and adolescents. <em>Psicologia: Reflexao e Critica 24</em>(4), 757-764.

<hr />

Durlack, J.A., Weissberg, R.P., Dymnicki, A.B., Taylor, R.D., &amp; Schellinger, K.B. (2011). The impact of enhancing student’s social and emotional learning: A meta-analysis of school-based universal interventions. <em>Child Development 82</em>(1), 405-432.

<hr />

Einzig, R. (2015). Model graciousness. Retrieved from: <a href="https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/">https://visiblechild.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/model-graciousness/</a> (Also see Robin’s Facebook page at <a href="https://www.facebook.com/visiblechildinc/">https://www.facebook.com/visiblechildinc/</a>)

<hr />

Ervin-Tripp, S., Guo, J., &amp; Lampert, M. (1990). Politeness and persuasion in children’s control acts. <em>Journal of Pragmatics 14</em>, 307-331.

<hr />

Grief, E.B., &amp; Gleason, J.B. (1980). Hi, thanks, and goodbye: More routine information. <em>Language in Society 9</em>(2), 159-166.

<hr />

Ely, R., &amp; Gleason, J.B. (2006). I’m sorry I said that: Apologies in young children’s discourse. <em>Journal of Child Language 33</em> (599-620).

<hr />

Gleason, J.B., Perlmann, R.Y., Grief, E.B. (1984). What’s the magic word: Learning language through politeness routines. <em>Discourse Processes 7</em>(4), 493-502.

<hr />

Kuykendall, J. (1993). “Please,” “Thank you,” “You’re welcome”: Teacher language can positively impact prosocial development. <em>Day Care and Early Education 21</em>(1), 30-32.

<hr />

Lancy, D.F. (2015). <em>The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings</em> (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.

<hr />

Lansbury, J. (2014, January 16). They’ll grow into it – Trusting children to develop manners, toilet skills, emotional regulation and more. Retrieved from: http://www.janetlansbury.com/2014/01/theyll-grow-into-it-trusting-children-to-develop-manners-toilet-skills-emotional-regulation-and-more/

<hr />

Lo, A., &amp; Howard, K.M. (2009). Mobilizing respect and politeness in classrooms. <em>Linguistics and Education 20</em>, 211-216.

<hr />

Snow, C.E., &amp; Gleason, J.B. (1990). Developmental perspectives on politeness: Sources of children’s knowledge. <em>Journal of Pragmatics 14</em>, 289-305.

<hr />

Suzuku, M. (2015, October 23). Bowing in Japan: Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about how to bow, and how not to bow, in Japan. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bowing-in-japan/">https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bowing-in-japan/</a>

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  I actually hadn’t realized what a can of worms I was opening when I started the research for today’s episode, which is on the topic of manners and politeness.  It began innocently enough – as an English person (honestly, despite the strange accent) for whom manners are pretty important, I started to wonder why my almost three-year-old doesn’t have better manners yet.  It turns out that it was a much more difficult subject to research than I’d anticipated, in part because it draws on a variety of disciplines, from child development to linguistics.

And at the heart of it, I found myself torn between two different perspectives.  The parenting philosophy that underlies the respectful relationship I have with my daughter, which is called Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE, advocates for the use of modeling to transmit cultural information like manners – if you, the parent, are a polite person, then your child will learn about manners.  On the flip side of that is the practice of saying “what do you say?” or something similar when you want your child to say “please” or “thank you,” something that I know a lot of parents do.  My general approach has been to model good manners consistently but I do find it drives me bananas when my daughter says “I want a [whatever it is]” without saying “please,” and RIE also says parents should set a limit on behavior when they find it annoying.  So I have been trying to walk a fine line between always modeling good manners and requiring a “please” before I acquiesce to a demand, and I wondered whether research could help me to come down on one side or the other of this line and just be sure about what I’m doing.  So this episode is going to be about my explorations through the literature on this topic, which are winding and convoluted – actually both the literature and my explorations are winding and convoluted, and by the time we get to the end I hope to sort out how I’m going to instill a sense of politeness in my daughter, and how you might be able to do it for your child as well.

&nbsp;

So the first thing we should acknowledge as we set out on our journey, that both politeness and impoliteness are awfully difficult to define, they are contextually appropriate, and they are culturally appropriate as well.  In fact, politeness and impoliteness seem to be difficult to define *because* they are contextually appropriate and culturally appropriate.  So we might agree that it is rude to interrupt people when they are speaking, and yet I’m sure we can all imagine a time when we were excited to tell someone something and we interrupted them – perhaps repeatedly – so we could do it.  We might even be able to find a culture where interrupting people isn’t that rude at all.

We might all agree that saying “please” and “thank you” form the basis of good manners and yet how many of us ALWAYS say these things at the appropriate times?  I pride myself on my manners and yet I know I don’t ALWAYS use them (although I do make an extra special effort to use them when my daughter is around).  And manners are, of course, highly culturally appropriate – you only need to think of how strange it seems to Americans to bow to someone else to show deference and respect, which is, of course, commonplace in Japan – there’s a helpful guide linked in the references to the exact number of degrees your bow should be in each of a variety of circumstances that require different levels of deference and respect in Japan.  But there are some countries in southern Europe where the translation of “please” into the local language is apparently a term that connotes begging and is seen to be rude, so even something as simple as that is not universal by any stretch.

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If we start to think about the purpose of manners, I like to look first to the ethnographic literature to see how things are done in other cultures, because I think this helps to ground our explorations with a view on whether us Westerners are doing things in a way that the rest of the world thinks is crazy or not.  For this I turned to our old friend David Lancy, whose book The Anthropology of Childhood I’ve referenced many times on the show.  I was surprised to find that manners are actually quite universal in nature – what precisely are the social graces that one needs to master varies by location, of course, but the concept of manners does seem to exist in an awful lot of cultures  – and so does teaching children about those manners.  In a majority of cases it seems as though the mother teaches the child manners so it appears more attractive to other potential caregivers, which reduces the burden of parenting on the mother.  Kwara’ae mothers in the Solomon Island drill their children on terms to use for their relatives and polite ways of conversing with them, and these sessions contain not only information about family structure but also about values of delicacy and peacefulness.  Four-year-old Fijian children are expected to bend over in an exaggerated bow to show respect to passing adults, and will be scolded or hit if they don’t show sufficient respect.  Javanese mothers repeat terms of politeness over and over and correct their children’s mistakes, so one-year-olds can do a polite bow and say a polite form of “goodbye,” while an aristocratic five-year-old will have an extensive repertoire of graceful phrases and actions.

David Lancy notes that there is actually considerable evidence that children will learn appropriate prosocial behaviors in time – despite the importance of social instruction in many areas of the south pacific, Samoan children begin to pick up the distinctive features characterizing people of rank and authority without being explicitly instructed.  Apparently there are many societies that value “proper” behavior a great deal and that don’t engage in any kind of enforced compliance or training since, after all, the success of the human species actually rests on our VOLUNTARY compliance with social norms.  The English well-known ethologist Desmond Morris claimed in his 1967 book The Naked Ape that there may be an instinctive basis for greetings and other similar rituals, but it seems to me that children would pick them up a lot more quickly than they do if this were the case.  Six years seems like an awfully long time to wait for a behavior to emerge that is so important in navigating social situations that the child encounters from much younger ages.

French children are well-regarded for their table manners with wrists being held on the edge of the table when the hands are not being used for eating, for example. The gulf between French and American children’s manners prompted the bestseller Bringing up Bebe, which teased us with descriptions of French parenting that alternated between these strict mealtime rules and a great deal of laissez-faire parenting that permits a great deal more parental relaxation than under the typical American model.  David Lancy points out the supreme irony that Americans spend such a huge amount of time teaching their young children things – all kinds of things, in an effort to help them get ahead, much more time than we spend teaching them about things related to kin terminology, politeness, and etiquette (even though it might feel to you as if you spend quite a lot of time saying “what’s the magic word?”).  He attributes this discrepancy to the importance of kin terminology, politeness, and etiquette in interdependent societies where the whole is valued more than the individuals within it.  Western society, and particularly American society, values individuality to such a great extent that being able to recognize one’s feelings and expressing those feelings are far more important than what anyone else might think or feel.

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I’ve been trying to think about what it is about these words “please” and “thank you” that are so meaningful for us as parents and that leave me, at least, so ticked off when they aren’t used.  Particularly “please” which I find much more triggering when it’s omitted than “thank you.”  Certainly it’s possible to be polite without using them – something like “would you kindly pass the salt?” is polite doesn’t use “please,” although perhaps the average three-year-old is less likely to come out with this variation that they probably don’t hear very often.  Maybe it’s because we feel taken for granted much of the time and once we’ve asked our preschooler to say “please” a number of times we feel as though they ought to remember the routine, and that if they can remember how to say “I want some banana,” surely they can remember to say “I want some banana please” – although one study did find that a polite request by a child was less likely to be granted than a neutral “I want some banana” kind of request, perhaps because mothers in particular are conditioned to comply with distressed or angry requests.  If the child is already distressed then we don’t want to escalate the situation by denying the request, but if the child says “please” and they’re asking for something we don’t want them to have they’re probably in a mood in which we can negotiate with them.  It does seem as though we’re shooting ourselves in the foot a bit, though, by denying more requests when they are accompanied by a “please” than when the child stamps their foot and says they want the thing.

On the flip-side, though, I can imagine how frustrating it must be to be a child and not be able to reach the bananas, or the milk, or the scissors and glue, and to always have to ask for everything an adult thinks must be kept out of your reach.  So we use these phrases to get people to do things for us, and to show our appreciation for doing things for us, because in our society these things have become routinized.  As one researcher noted, routines are a way of guiding a person’s normal interaction in social situations, and if everyone shares the same “rules” about what those routines should be then the interaction goes more smoothly.  For this reason, researchers have found that young children who have improved social and emotional skills do better in school, although I would argue that so much of “doing well in school” in the early years pretty much does consist of being able to sit still and keep quiet when the teacher says “be quiet” and not get into disagreements with other children so in a way it’s kind of a “well, duh” that children with better manners do better in school.

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So what I really want to get to the root of is: how much do our toddlers and preschoolers understand about all this?  Should we teach them the routines of politeness before they understand what the routines mean, or should we wait for the child to understand what it means to be polite and to feel grateful before we expect them to start saying “please” and “thank you”?

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Professor Jean Berko Gleason did a fair bit of important work on manners, and we’re going to talk about several of her studies, although most of it was in the 1980s and I think we can assume social conditions have changed a bit since then.  In one study she and her co-authors wanted to understand HOW children learn politeness rules which, she says, are even more difficult to understand than rules of grammar, which children obviously struggle as well because, like with manners, grammar has lots of rules but also lots of exceptions to those rules.  The researchers use a definition of politeness which says that the amount of “work” that needs to be done when making a request is determined by three parameters – firstly, the degree of imposition of the request (so, “could you pass the salt?” and “could I borrow $1,000 from you?” require different levels of politeness, even if you’re asking both questions of the same person), secondly the social difference between the requester and the grantee, and thirdly the power differential between the requestor and the grantee.  The researchers wondered how children learn the rules of politeness in all of its many and varied forms when no parent ever says to them “you can be rude to me but you’d better be polite to your teacher because there’s more social distance between you and her than between you and me.”  But children do receive lots of information from two other sources – firstly parents teach by modeling, for example, by trying to minimize threats to their children’s social standing, or “face,” by making polite requests that help their children “save face” or using more polite forms of requests when asking for special favors from their children.  Secondly, parents do directly teach children about what forms of politeness to use in certain situations, usually taking the form of “say please” or something similar.  Unfortunately, the researchers didn’t make any attempt to analyze how effective were the different methods of teaching.

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In another study, Professor Berko recruited eight families, four with girls and four with boys all aged between three and five.  With the families’ permission, she left a tape recorder in an inconspicuous spot in the dining room and recorded the conversation that occurred during the evening meal.  She points out that “it should be noted that the fathers had more occasion to say <em>please</em> or <em>thanks</em> since they were being served.”  One might hope that in modern families at least some men are participating in some cooking, or at least helping to get their own food, although I have to say that that’s not the case in our house.  Professor...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/manners]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1592</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/02c0c047-7917-4eda-b041-98c9b4fb87d5/mannersmixdown.mp3" length="20485960" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>I actually hadn’t realized what a can of worms I was opening when I started the research for today’s episode, which is on the topic of manners and politeness. It began innocently enough – as an English person, for whom manners are pretty important, I started to wonder why my almost three-year-old doesn’t have better manners yet. It turns out that it was a much more difficult subject to research than I’d anticipated, in part because it draws on a variety of disciplines, from child development to linguistics.

And at the heart of it, I found myself torn between two different perspectives. The parenting philosophy that underlies the respectful relationship I have with my daughter, which is called Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE, advocates for the use of modeling to transmit cultural information like manners – if you, the parent, are a polite person, then your child will learn about manners. On the flip side of that is the practice of saying “what do you say?” or something similar when you want your child to say “please” or “thank you,” something that I know a lot of parents do. My general approach has been to model good manners consistently but I do find it drives me bananas when my daughter says “I want a [whatever it is]” without saying “please,” and RIE also says parents should set a limit on behavior when they find it annoying. So I have been trying to walk a fine line between always modeling good manners and requiring a “please” before I acquiesce to a demand, and I wondered whether research could help me to come down on one side or the other of this line and just be sure about what I’m doing. So this episode is going to be about my explorations through the literature on this topic, which are winding and convoluted – actually both the literature and my explorations are winding and convoluted, and by the time we get to the end I hope to sort out how I’m going to instill a sense of politeness in my daughter, and how you might be able to do it for your child as well.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>041: Siblings: Why do they fight, and what can we do about it?</title><itunes:title>041: Siblings: Why do they fight, and what can we do about it?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Hot on the heels of our last episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/only/">whether only children really are as bad as their reputation</a>, this week’s episode is for the 80% of families (in the U.S., at least) who have more than one child.

How do siblings impact each other’s development?  What should we make of the research on how birth order impacts each child?  Why the heck do siblings fight so much, and what can we do about it?  (Turns out that siblings in non-Western countries actually don’t fight anywhere near as much…)

We cover all this and more with my guest, Professor Susan McHale of Penn State University.

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Note: Professor McHale mentions a helpful book written by Judy Dunn at the end of the episode but doesn’t specifically name the title; Dunn has actually written a number of books on siblings which can be found <a href="https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=judy+dunn+siblings">here</a>.

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<strong>References</strong>

Bjerkedal, T., Kristensen, P., Skjeret, G.A., &amp; Brevik, J.I. (2007). Intelligence test scores and birth order among young Norwegian men (conscripts) analyzed within and between families. <em>Intelligence 35</em>, 503-514.

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Branje, S.J.T., van Lieshout, C.F.M., van Aken, M.A.G., &amp; Haselager, G.J.T. (2004). Perceived support in sibling relationships and adolescent development. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 45</em>(8), 1385-1396.

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Dixon, M., Reyes, C.J., Leppert, M.F., &amp; Pappas, L.M. (2008). Personality and birth order in large families. <em>Personality and Individual Differences 44</em>, 119-128.

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Dunn, J., &amp; Kendrick, C. (1980). The arrival of a sibling: Changes in patterns of interaction between mother and first-born child. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 21</em>, 119-132.

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Dunn, J. (1995). From one child to two: What to expect, how to cope, and how to enjoy your growing family. New York, NY: Ballantine.

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Feinberg, M.E., Solmeyer, A.R., Hostetler, M.L., Sakuma K-L, Jones, D., &amp; McHale, S.M. (2012). Siblings are special: Initial test of a new approach for preventing youth behavior problems. <em>Journal of Adolescent Health 53</em>, 166-173.

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Healey, M.D., &amp; Ellis B.J. (2007). Birth order, conscientiousness, and openness to experience: Tests of the family-niche model of personality using a within-family methodology. <em>Evolution and Human Behavior 28</em>, 55-59.

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Jensen, A.C., &amp; McHale, S.M. (2015). What makes siblings different? The development of sibling differences in academic achievement and interests. <em>Journal of Family Psychology 29</em>(3), 469-478.

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Kristensen, P. &amp; Bjerkedal, T. (2007). Explaining the relation between birth order and intelligence. <em>Science (New Series), 316</em>(5832), 1717.

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Lawson, D.W., &amp; Mace, R. (2008). Sibling configuration and childhood growth in contemporary British Families. <em>International Journal of Epidemiology 37</em>, 1408-1421.

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McHale, S.M., Bissell, J., &amp; Kim, J-Y. (2009). Sibling relationship, family, and genetic factors in sibling similarity in sexual risk. <em>Journal of Family Psychiatry 23</em>(4), 562-572.

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McHale, S.M., Updegraff, K.A., Helms-Erikson, H., &amp; Crouter, A.C. (2001). Sibling influences on gender development in middle childhood and early adolescence: A longitudinal study. <em>Developmental Psychology 37</em>(1), 115-125.

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McHale, S.M., Updegraff, K.A., &amp; Whiteman, S.D. (2012). Sibling relationships and influences in childhood and adolescence. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 75</em>(5), 913-930.

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Palhaus, D.L., Wehr, P., &amp; Trapnell, P.D. (2000). Resolving controversy over birth order and personality: By debate or by design? <em>Politics and the Life Sciences 19</em>(2), 177-179.

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Rohrer, J.M., Egloff, B., &amp; Schmukle, S.C. (2015). Examining the effects of birth order on personality. <em>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 112</em>(46), 14224-14229.

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Solmeyer, A.R., McHale, S.M., &amp; Crouter, A.C. (2014). Longitudinal associations between sibling relationship qualities and risky behavior across adolescence. <em>Developmental Psychology 50</em>(2), 600-610.

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Updegraff, K.A., McHale, S.M., Killoren, S.E., &amp; Rodriguez, S.A. (2011). Cultural variations in sibling relationships. In J. Caspi (Ed.), <em>Sibling Development: Implications for Mental Health Practitioners</em>. New York, NY: Springer.

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Jen     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.59">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners will recall that this is the second episode in a two part series, which was prompted by a listener emailing me to say that she and her partner don’t want to have another child, but they’re worried about the impacts of not having siblings on their daughter. We looked at that topic last week, but I didn’t think it was fair to the other 80 percent of the families in the country, assuming all of them are listening who have more than one child. So today’s episode is for all of you. I’d like to extend a warm welcome to my guest, Susan McHale, Distinguished Professor of Human Development and Family Ptudies and professor of Demography – among other things – at Penn State University. Research in her lab focuses on family systems, dynamics including youths and parents, family roles, relationships and daily activities, and how these are linked to family members’ psychological and physical health and development. Her lines of research includes sibling relationships, family, gender dynamics, and the sociocultural context of family dynamics. And since we’ve already done episodes related to those second two topics, I’m especially interested to learn about how all of these come together and are intertwined with the idea of siblings. Welcome Professor McHale.

Dr. McHale:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.62">[01:47]</a></u>

Glad to be here.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.91">[01:48]</a></u>

All right, so I wonder if we could kind of start at the end in a way with the developmental outcomes of signaling relationships and then work our way back to the beginning because there’s way more research on the developmental outcomes than I could have imagined. I wonder if you could summarize some of the state of the current research on several different things and we can kind of work our way down a little list that I have here. I’m the first one being risky behavior like adolescent sex. I had no idea that siblings was related to that.

Dr. McHale:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.46">[02:17]</a></u>

Right. Most of the research has been on sibling resemblance and of course siblings are genetically related; it’s not just a social process and some work has been trying to disentangle the role of shared genetics and shared environments in sibling similarity and all kinds of risky behavior from substance use to adolescent sex. I don’t think there’s quite a definitive answer. Usually behaviors are complex and so multiply determined so there’s likely to be some genetic load and some socialization between siblings as well as growing up in the same family that all come together in helping to explain sibling resemblance. In our research, we’ve tried to study the processes through which siblings become more alike or more different from one another by actually asking siblings whether they try to be like one another or whether they try to de-identify or work to be different from their siblings, try to be different because they don’t want to be the same kind of person that their sibling is and what we see is that in sibling relationships that are warm and positive, siblings are more likely to say that they try to be like one another and so on the one hand a positive sibling relationship has good outcomes because siblings can be sources of support, affection and so forth. On the other hand, if you have a sibling who’s really into risky behavior, a warm and close sibling relationship isn’t always a good thing.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.93">[03:56]</a></u>

And so you see the warm relationship leading the, I assume usually the younger child to model the older child’s behavior?

Dr. McHale:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.63">[04:04]</a></u>

Correct. So constructs like partners in crime, older siblings being gatekeepers to availability of substances or relationship partners. These are all ways that siblings can influence one another.

Jen:     <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Hot on the heels of our last episode on <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/only/">whether only children really are as bad as their reputation</a>, this week’s episode is for the 80% of families (in the U.S., at least) who have more than one child.

How do siblings impact each other’s development?  What should we make of the research on how birth order impacts each child?  Why the heck do siblings fight so much, and what can we do about it?  (Turns out that siblings in non-Western countries actually don’t fight anywhere near as much…)

We cover all this and more with my guest, Professor Susan McHale of Penn State University.

&nbsp;

Note: Professor McHale mentions a helpful book written by Judy Dunn at the end of the episode but doesn’t specifically name the title; Dunn has actually written a number of books on siblings which can be found <a href="https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=judy+dunn+siblings">here</a>.

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<strong>References</strong>

Bjerkedal, T., Kristensen, P., Skjeret, G.A., &amp; Brevik, J.I. (2007). Intelligence test scores and birth order among young Norwegian men (conscripts) analyzed within and between families. <em>Intelligence 35</em>, 503-514.

<hr />

Branje, S.J.T., van Lieshout, C.F.M., van Aken, M.A.G., &amp; Haselager, G.J.T. (2004). Perceived support in sibling relationships and adolescent development. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 45</em>(8), 1385-1396.

<hr />

Dixon, M., Reyes, C.J., Leppert, M.F., &amp; Pappas, L.M. (2008). Personality and birth order in large families. <em>Personality and Individual Differences 44</em>, 119-128.

<hr />

Dunn, J., &amp; Kendrick, C. (1980). The arrival of a sibling: Changes in patterns of interaction between mother and first-born child. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 21</em>, 119-132.

<hr />

Dunn, J. (1995). From one child to two: What to expect, how to cope, and how to enjoy your growing family. New York, NY: Ballantine.

<hr />

Feinberg, M.E., Solmeyer, A.R., Hostetler, M.L., Sakuma K-L, Jones, D., &amp; McHale, S.M. (2012). Siblings are special: Initial test of a new approach for preventing youth behavior problems. <em>Journal of Adolescent Health 53</em>, 166-173.

<hr />

Healey, M.D., &amp; Ellis B.J. (2007). Birth order, conscientiousness, and openness to experience: Tests of the family-niche model of personality using a within-family methodology. <em>Evolution and Human Behavior 28</em>, 55-59.

<hr />

Jensen, A.C., &amp; McHale, S.M. (2015). What makes siblings different? The development of sibling differences in academic achievement and interests. <em>Journal of Family Psychology 29</em>(3), 469-478.

<hr />

Kristensen, P. &amp; Bjerkedal, T. (2007). Explaining the relation between birth order and intelligence. <em>Science (New Series), 316</em>(5832), 1717.

<hr />

Lawson, D.W., &amp; Mace, R. (2008). Sibling configuration and childhood growth in contemporary British Families. <em>International Journal of Epidemiology 37</em>, 1408-1421.

<hr />

McHale, S.M., Bissell, J., &amp; Kim, J-Y. (2009). Sibling relationship, family, and genetic factors in sibling similarity in sexual risk. <em>Journal of Family Psychiatry 23</em>(4), 562-572.

<hr />

McHale, S.M., Updegraff, K.A., Helms-Erikson, H., &amp; Crouter, A.C. (2001). Sibling influences on gender development in middle childhood and early adolescence: A longitudinal study. <em>Developmental Psychology 37</em>(1), 115-125.

<hr />

McHale, S.M., Updegraff, K.A., &amp; Whiteman, S.D. (2012). Sibling relationships and influences in childhood and adolescence. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 75</em>(5), 913-930.

<hr />

Palhaus, D.L., Wehr, P., &amp; Trapnell, P.D. (2000). Resolving controversy over birth order and personality: By debate or by design? <em>Politics and the Life Sciences 19</em>(2), 177-179.

<hr />

Rohrer, J.M., Egloff, B., &amp; Schmukle, S.C. (2015). Examining the effects of birth order on personality. <em>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 112</em>(46), 14224-14229.

<hr />

Solmeyer, A.R., McHale, S.M., &amp; Crouter, A.C. (2014). Longitudinal associations between sibling relationship qualities and risky behavior across adolescence. <em>Developmental Psychology 50</em>(2), 600-610.

<hr />

Updegraff, K.A., McHale, S.M., Killoren, S.E., &amp; Rodriguez, S.A. (2011). Cultural variations in sibling relationships. In J. Caspi (Ed.), <em>Sibling Development: Implications for Mental Health Practitioners</em>. New York, NY: Springer.

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Jen     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.59">[00:38]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Regular listeners will recall that this is the second episode in a two part series, which was prompted by a listener emailing me to say that she and her partner don’t want to have another child, but they’re worried about the impacts of not having siblings on their daughter. We looked at that topic last week, but I didn’t think it was fair to the other 80 percent of the families in the country, assuming all of them are listening who have more than one child. So today’s episode is for all of you. I’d like to extend a warm welcome to my guest, Susan McHale, Distinguished Professor of Human Development and Family Ptudies and professor of Demography – among other things – at Penn State University. Research in her lab focuses on family systems, dynamics including youths and parents, family roles, relationships and daily activities, and how these are linked to family members’ psychological and physical health and development. Her lines of research includes sibling relationships, family, gender dynamics, and the sociocultural context of family dynamics. And since we’ve already done episodes related to those second two topics, I’m especially interested to learn about how all of these come together and are intertwined with the idea of siblings. Welcome Professor McHale.

Dr. McHale:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.62">[01:47]</a></u>

Glad to be here.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.91">[01:48]</a></u>

All right, so I wonder if we could kind of start at the end in a way with the developmental outcomes of signaling relationships and then work our way back to the beginning because there’s way more research on the developmental outcomes than I could have imagined. I wonder if you could summarize some of the state of the current research on several different things and we can kind of work our way down a little list that I have here. I’m the first one being risky behavior like adolescent sex. I had no idea that siblings was related to that.

Dr. McHale:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.46">[02:17]</a></u>

Right. Most of the research has been on sibling resemblance and of course siblings are genetically related; it’s not just a social process and some work has been trying to disentangle the role of shared genetics and shared environments in sibling similarity and all kinds of risky behavior from substance use to adolescent sex. I don’t think there’s quite a definitive answer. Usually behaviors are complex and so multiply determined so there’s likely to be some genetic load and some socialization between siblings as well as growing up in the same family that all come together in helping to explain sibling resemblance. In our research, we’ve tried to study the processes through which siblings become more alike or more different from one another by actually asking siblings whether they try to be like one another or whether they try to de-identify or work to be different from their siblings, try to be different because they don’t want to be the same kind of person that their sibling is and what we see is that in sibling relationships that are warm and positive, siblings are more likely to say that they try to be like one another and so on the one hand a positive sibling relationship has good outcomes because siblings can be sources of support, affection and so forth. On the other hand, if you have a sibling who’s really into risky behavior, a warm and close sibling relationship isn’t always a good thing.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.93">[03:56]</a></u>

And so you see the warm relationship leading the, I assume usually the younger child to model the older child’s behavior?

Dr. McHale:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.63">[04:04]</a></u>

Correct. So constructs like partners in crime, older siblings being gatekeepers to availability of substances or relationship partners. These are all ways that siblings can influence one another.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=260.94">[04:20]</a></u>

Is that linked to the idea of gender development as well, and I’m just wondering if maybe there’s a younger boy who has an older girl sibling. Do you see that the boy is kind of more socialized to be around women and are there influences that the older girl has on that younger boy?

Dr. McHale:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.44">[04:38]</a></u>

Yes. Oftentimes our sample sizes are too small to study the four siblings constellations, brother, brother, sister, sister, and so forth. Older sister, younger brother, younger sister, older brother. But we have some emerging information. I’m one of the dyads that has some longstanding findings that warmth and affection can lead to problems is the brother, brother dyad. So an older brother who’s close and warm with a younger brother can lead that child into, or they can mutually influence one another, sort of playing off one another, getting into trouble, deceiving parents, doing things behind their parents’ backs and so forth. So, so the older brother really can be something of a risk factor. On the other hand, some of our studies have found that older sisters are are protective. This is a study of Mexican origin families that kids who have had both boys and girls who had older sisters were protected in their acculturation into U.S. society in terms of engaging in risky behavior.

Dr. McHale: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=349.48">[05:49]</a></u>

One of the other, I think pretty interesting findings has to do with mixed-sex dyads, so brother, sister, sister, brother, where we found that in terms of romantic competence, being able to relate to the other sex possibly not surprisingly growing up with a sibling of the other sex and all that that involves, you know, having your siblings friends around just being used to having members of the other sex in your orbit, that by the time you reach the end of adolescence, kids who have the other sex in their lives by virtue of having a sibling of the other sex tend to feel more competent in the context of heterosexual relationships. So it’s a mixed bag. Like most things, it’s not all good things are related, but there are some good things and some potentially not so good things that come out of the same experiences.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=402.15">[06:42]</a></u>

Yeah. And some of the ones that really surprised me were differences in health outcomes among siblings. How does, how can siblings impact your health?

Dr. McHale: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=411.95">[06:51]</a></u>

Well, are you thinking about the study of Mexican origin?

Jen:      <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=417.38">[06:57]</a></u>

Yeah.

Dr. McHale: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=417.38">[06:57]</a></u>

And that’s not necessarily about what siblings do, what it’s about being a girl or a boy, and the gender socialization that is involved in this, as I said, was a study of Mexican origin families were the findings showed and Kim Updegraff who’s at Arizona State University was the lead on this study, but the findings showed that when mothers had more traditional gender attitudes, you know, women’s place, whereas in the home, men are the ones in charge, that kind of thing, their daughters were substantially less likely to access healthcare in their young adult years. So this is predicting out over about eight years where early experiences in a highly gendered environment that put men, you know, at the forefront end put women as more subservient were, were linked to how these young women were taking care of themselves a number of years later.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.95">[07:56]</a></u>

Wow. Uh, that is a very surprising finding. And so you’re, you’re speaking about a study of Mexicans; Mexican siblings, and that leads me to wonder if it’s possible to generalize, I know this is a big generalization, but how do sibling relationships differ across cultures in general?

Dr. McHale:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=500.12">[08:20]</a></u>

They do considerably and we’ve only directly studied sibling relationships in families living in the United States. So the Mexican origin live near the Phoenix area. We have a group of about 200 African American, two-parent families in the Baltimore/Philadelphia area. And then we have a sample of predominantly Anglo families in central Pennsylvania. So these families differ not just by ethnicity, but where in the country that they’re living in rural, urban and so forth. So it’s directly don’t make direct comparisons, but we’re much more interested in how cultural values and practices that we measured directly are linked to sibling relationship quality. And so for example, Mexican origin families have been described as being more gender stereotypical. And so therefore the traditional attitudes of mothers reflect the cultural orientation to discriminate between the roles and practices and daily activities of men versus women, girls versus boys and so girls may be more likely to pick up on these messages in those families leading to the differences in healthcare access. I should also mention that it’s not all good things for the boys and those families either in general, the young men in that sample access healthcare less than the young women, so we could explain the differences between the young women in that those Mexican origin families, by their mothers’ gender attitudes, but all it took for the boys was being a boy and they were less likely to access healthcare, which is, you know, what are sort of a stereotype of men refusing to go to the doctor.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=605.15">[10:05]</a></u>

Right. Okay. So it’s not that they’re not accessing it because they’re not sick, it’s that they, they should be accessing it and they’re not.

Dr. McHale:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=612.33">[10:12]</a></u>

Well, they’re just not getting routine physical exams.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=614.551">[10:14]</a></u>

Okay.

Dr. McHale:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=615.77">[10:15]</a></u>

Yeah.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=616.29">[10:16]</a></u>

Okay.

Dr. McHale:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=616.92">[10:16]</a></u>

But in, in those families, also Mexican origin families are, are known for their families and values as are many minority groups in the U. S., African American families included and our studies of those African and Mexican origin families show that when siblings and their parents have stronger familism values, that is, they see the family as central to their lives and obligations and responsibilities to the family as being highly important, distinguishing between communal oriented or family oriented set of values and a more individualistic me-first, independence, individual achievement-oriented society like traditional mainstream U.S. culture, this orientation to family is linked to more positive sibling relationships.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/f9K0lXLaWSCNYCfZqy41Y_KxETXXWfU1Xx-zw_wuXGI02vixY03hiPor2CQmOFtKBuNfyBZpSHki2daAgHQafH_-3nE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=670.48">[11:10]</a></u>

Okay. And so I guess we’re, we’re skipping ahead a little bit here is planning on winding up to this, but since since we’re there now, let’s go ahead and talk about it. So I’m curious about this kind of love-hate dynamic that seems to go on between siblings and when I put an email out to my listeners and said, you know, do you have any questions about siblings that I should ask my expert next week? I got some responses and it seemed like a lot of them were related to my siblings just can’t get along. One person gave an example of a three year old daughter snatching a toy out of a nine month old son’s hands, not because she wants the thing, but just because he has it and she doesn’t or she doesn’t want the younger child in her space, even when they’re just kind of in the same room. Is the older child looking for our attention because I’m thinking about the ethnographic...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/siblings]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1587</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2d784a23-84f2-4d87-a0d3-ef4680012102/siblingsmixdown.mp3" length="21541564" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Hot on the heels of our last episode on whether only children really are as bad as their reputation, this week&apos;s episode is for the 80% of families (in the U.S., at least) who have more than one child.

How do siblings impact each other&apos;s development?  What should we make of the research on how birth order impacts each child?  Why the heck do siblings fight so much, and what can we do about it?  (Turns out that siblings in non-Western countries actually don&apos;t fight anywhere near as much...)

We cover all this and more with my guest, Professor Susan McHale of Penn State University.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>040: Only children: Are they as bad as advertised?</title><itunes:title>040: Only children: Are they as bad as advertised?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Today’s episode comes to us as a result of a listener named Sylvia who wrote to me saying she and her partner don’t want another child but are worried about the potential impact on their daughter of growing up without siblings.  But why would there be a potential impact?

Turns out there’s a slew of information in the popular press about how only children grow up with no way to learn social skills, which makes them <em>simply awful</em> to be around.  And <em>everybody</em> agrees – from parents of multiples and children who grew up with siblings, to parents of only children and <em>even only children themselves</em> – that only children are more selfish and not as nice to spend time with as children who grew up with siblings.

No wonder Sylvia is worried!

Personally I don’t have this problem; my own selfishness about not wanting a second child has overridden the issue of growing up without siblings to the extent that I had actually never considered it a potential problem until I received the question.  But having pondered it and found that there is some research on it, I decided the time was ripe to find out whether only children really are as awful as popular wisdom says they are and, if so, what I could do about it before it’s too late!

Listen up, my friends.  Will I be vindicated, or will I throw away that pack of birth control pills before the end of the episode?<span id="more-3134"></span>

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Bohannon, E.W. (1896). A study of peculiar and exceptional children. <em>Pedagogical Seminary</em> <em>4</em>(1), 3-60.

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Falbo, T. (2012). Only children: An updated review. <em>The Journal of Individual Psychology 68</em>(1), 38-49.

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Fenton, N. (1928). The only child. <em>Pedagogical Seminary and Journal of Genetic Psychology 35</em>, 546-556.

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Mancillas, A. (2006). Challenging the stereotypes about only children: A review of the literature and implications for practice. <em>Journal of Counseling and Development 84</em>(3), 268-275.

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McKibben, B. (1998). <em>Maybe one.</em> New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

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Nachman, P., &amp; Thompson, A. (1997). <em>You and your only child: The joys, myths, and challenges of raising an only child.</em> New York, NY: Skylight.

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Newman, S. (2001). Parenting an only child: The joys and challenges of raising your one and only. New York, NY: Broadway.

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Polit, D.F., Nuttall, R.L., &amp; Nuttall, E.V. (1980). The only child grows up: A look at some characteristics of adult only children. <em>Family Relations 29</em>(1), 99-106.

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Roberts, L., &amp; Blanton, P. (2001). “I always knew mom and dad loved me best”: Experiences of only children. <em>Journal of Individual Psychology 21</em>, 155-160.

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Sandler, L. (2013). <em>One and only: The freedom of having an only child, and the joy of being one.</em> New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

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Simon, R.W. (2008). The joys of parenthood, reconsidered. <em>Contexts 7</em>(2), 40-45.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Before we get going with the show today I wanted to take a minute to thank those of you who have been so generous with your time and money over the last couple of weeks.  Several of you have been kind enough to offer advice based on your personal expertise that really helped me to figure out the direction for the show, as well as how to reach some more listeners.  And a few of you have gone over to <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/support">yourparentingmojo.com/support</a> to offer either a one-time or an ongoing donation to support the costs involved with running the show. One awesome listener works for Adobe and used a discount code to get a cheap subscription to the editing software that I use and then donated the remaining amount, so I got a year of free access to the editing software – that is certainly a huge help.  Another listener sent a cool hundred bucks and when I wrote to say ‘thanks’ (as I do to everyone who sends a donation) she responded (and I do have her permission to share this with you):

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You’re welcome…I listen when I can (sporadically)…usually while commuting. I always enjoy it. Honestly, though, the donation was almost entirely for the pleasure of watching my mother-in-law almost pass out when my daughter told her that the carseat buckle was “hurting her vulva.”    (I love her, but she’s quite proper and inhibited about some things.)  I was able to point to your episode on sex and walk her through the benefits of using accurate anatomical labels. She appeared to get it.  (And even if not, she now has something to think about…and I got a good chuckle.).

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So whatever it is you get out of the show, I’m glad you’re along with me for the ride.  If you feel like contributing then awesome!  Thanks so much.  And even if you don’t, but you have a question or just want to say ‘hi,’ you can do that at <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/">yourparentingmojo.com</a> as well.  I love hearing from you all.

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Today’s episode is probably one I should have done a long time ago, but it was actually a question from a listener that prompted it.  Sylvia wrote to me and said “Hi – I very much enjoy your podcast.  I’m wondering if you can do an episode on the importance of siblings (or not).  We don’t want another child but are worried about the potential impact on our daughter of growing up without siblings.”

Now I don’t think it’s any secret around here that I’m not planning on having any more children, although we do have some friends who just announced their second pregnancy and I’ll say for a few minutes I did wonder what it would be like to think about having a second child.  But then I thought about an interview that I’m preparing for with Sara Dean of the Shameless Mom podcast (which may well be live by the time this episode goes live).  At the end of each interview she asks several rapid-fire questions, one of which is “what superpower would you grant moms?” And the best one I could think of was the power to experience time in a different way so that instead of having to look back on those early days with a baby and remember what they were like, we could actually experience them again.  Wouldn’t that be cool?  And at the same time, wouldn’t it just be the best birth control if we could also experience the day four mama meltdown and the wake-ups every two hours throughout the night again?

I never thought I’d have one child in the first place; I was quite happy to be childless.  I just didn’t have that urge that I’m told many women have that just makes them *want* children, but my husband actually did have it so I ended up having our daughter because I didn’t want to be responsible for the biggest disappointment of his life.  So far I’d say parenthood has exceeded my expectations, largely because I got a pretty easygoing kid who isn’t at all difficult to love.  But there’s really just no way that I can have a second one; I’m not at all ashamed to say that I meet one of the stereotypes of the parents of a single child – I’m too selfish to have another one.  I spent ten days hiking around Mont Blanc when my daughter was eight weeks old; it was a big part of how I reconciled my previous life with being a parent.  But how on earth would I do that with a three year old in tow?  How would I do pretty much anything except *be a parent?*  So the reason I hadn’t even thought of doing an episode on the single child was because mine was already committed to being a single child and I didn’t really figure there was a whole lot different about parenting a single child than more than one.  But when Sylvia’s question came through I realized that I hadn’t really given it the attention it probably deserves, so I have not one but two episodes coming up for you, no matter on which side of this fence you sit.  Today’s episode will focus on parenting an only child, and we’ll have one coming up in the near future on the relationships between siblings and how they impact a child’s development.

So parenting single children used to be a pretty strange thing.  Large families have been common for hundreds of years mostly because of the amount of work that needed to be done on a farm – and the infant mortality rate was so high that parents *had* to keep having children just to make sure they would have enough children to keep the land producing food.  Even once western society was well into the industrial age, it was almost like we just had a habit of producing large families that we couldn’t get out of, and this was supported by a variety of pieces of advice from the popular press up to neuropsychiatrists, who had a poor opinion of only children.  I should say that in this episode I’m going to draw on three books on only children (as well as the studies they cite), and primary among these is one called “One and Only” by Lauren Sandler.  It’s very well written and seems to be fairly well sourced, although it’s hard to tell for sure because Ms. Sandler isn’t very good at citing those sources.  Sometimes she does actually describe a particular study and it’s authors well enough for me to be able to find it, but often she just makes vague mention of something like a Gallup Poll, which doesn’t give me anywhere near enough information to find it and verify that it says what she says it says.  Having come pretty close to getting burned on that front in episode 18 on the book “The Spiritual Child,” where the author did cite her sources which enabled me to find that several of them were seriously misrepresented in her...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Today’s episode comes to us as a result of a listener named Sylvia who wrote to me saying she and her partner don’t want another child but are worried about the potential impact on their daughter of growing up without siblings.  But why would there be a potential impact?

Turns out there’s a slew of information in the popular press about how only children grow up with no way to learn social skills, which makes them <em>simply awful</em> to be around.  And <em>everybody</em> agrees – from parents of multiples and children who grew up with siblings, to parents of only children and <em>even only children themselves</em> – that only children are more selfish and not as nice to spend time with as children who grew up with siblings.

No wonder Sylvia is worried!

Personally I don’t have this problem; my own selfishness about not wanting a second child has overridden the issue of growing up without siblings to the extent that I had actually never considered it a potential problem until I received the question.  But having pondered it and found that there is some research on it, I decided the time was ripe to find out whether only children really are as awful as popular wisdom says they are and, if so, what I could do about it before it’s too late!

Listen up, my friends.  Will I be vindicated, or will I throw away that pack of birth control pills before the end of the episode?<span id="more-3134"></span>

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<strong>References</strong>

Bohannon, E.W. (1896). A study of peculiar and exceptional children. <em>Pedagogical Seminary</em> <em>4</em>(1), 3-60.

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Falbo, T. (2012). Only children: An updated review. <em>The Journal of Individual Psychology 68</em>(1), 38-49.

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Fenton, N. (1928). The only child. <em>Pedagogical Seminary and Journal of Genetic Psychology 35</em>, 546-556.

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Mancillas, A. (2006). Challenging the stereotypes about only children: A review of the literature and implications for practice. <em>Journal of Counseling and Development 84</em>(3), 268-275.

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McKibben, B. (1998). <em>Maybe one.</em> New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

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Nachman, P., &amp; Thompson, A. (1997). <em>You and your only child: The joys, myths, and challenges of raising an only child.</em> New York, NY: Skylight.

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Newman, S. (2001). Parenting an only child: The joys and challenges of raising your one and only. New York, NY: Broadway.

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Polit, D.F., Nuttall, R.L., &amp; Nuttall, E.V. (1980). The only child grows up: A look at some characteristics of adult only children. <em>Family Relations 29</em>(1), 99-106.

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Roberts, L., &amp; Blanton, P. (2001). “I always knew mom and dad loved me best”: Experiences of only children. <em>Journal of Individual Psychology 21</em>, 155-160.

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Sandler, L. (2013). <em>One and only: The freedom of having an only child, and the joy of being one.</em> New York, NY: Simon &amp; Schuster.

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Simon, R.W. (2008). The joys of parenthood, reconsidered. <em>Contexts 7</em>(2), 40-45.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Before we get going with the show today I wanted to take a minute to thank those of you who have been so generous with your time and money over the last couple of weeks.  Several of you have been kind enough to offer advice based on your personal expertise that really helped me to figure out the direction for the show, as well as how to reach some more listeners.  And a few of you have gone over to <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/support">yourparentingmojo.com/support</a> to offer either a one-time or an ongoing donation to support the costs involved with running the show. One awesome listener works for Adobe and used a discount code to get a cheap subscription to the editing software that I use and then donated the remaining amount, so I got a year of free access to the editing software – that is certainly a huge help.  Another listener sent a cool hundred bucks and when I wrote to say ‘thanks’ (as I do to everyone who sends a donation) she responded (and I do have her permission to share this with you):

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You’re welcome…I listen when I can (sporadically)…usually while commuting. I always enjoy it. Honestly, though, the donation was almost entirely for the pleasure of watching my mother-in-law almost pass out when my daughter told her that the carseat buckle was “hurting her vulva.”    (I love her, but she’s quite proper and inhibited about some things.)  I was able to point to your episode on sex and walk her through the benefits of using accurate anatomical labels. She appeared to get it.  (And even if not, she now has something to think about…and I got a good chuckle.).

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So whatever it is you get out of the show, I’m glad you’re along with me for the ride.  If you feel like contributing then awesome!  Thanks so much.  And even if you don’t, but you have a question or just want to say ‘hi,’ you can do that at <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/">yourparentingmojo.com</a> as well.  I love hearing from you all.

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Today’s episode is probably one I should have done a long time ago, but it was actually a question from a listener that prompted it.  Sylvia wrote to me and said “Hi – I very much enjoy your podcast.  I’m wondering if you can do an episode on the importance of siblings (or not).  We don’t want another child but are worried about the potential impact on our daughter of growing up without siblings.”

Now I don’t think it’s any secret around here that I’m not planning on having any more children, although we do have some friends who just announced their second pregnancy and I’ll say for a few minutes I did wonder what it would be like to think about having a second child.  But then I thought about an interview that I’m preparing for with Sara Dean of the Shameless Mom podcast (which may well be live by the time this episode goes live).  At the end of each interview she asks several rapid-fire questions, one of which is “what superpower would you grant moms?” And the best one I could think of was the power to experience time in a different way so that instead of having to look back on those early days with a baby and remember what they were like, we could actually experience them again.  Wouldn’t that be cool?  And at the same time, wouldn’t it just be the best birth control if we could also experience the day four mama meltdown and the wake-ups every two hours throughout the night again?

I never thought I’d have one child in the first place; I was quite happy to be childless.  I just didn’t have that urge that I’m told many women have that just makes them *want* children, but my husband actually did have it so I ended up having our daughter because I didn’t want to be responsible for the biggest disappointment of his life.  So far I’d say parenthood has exceeded my expectations, largely because I got a pretty easygoing kid who isn’t at all difficult to love.  But there’s really just no way that I can have a second one; I’m not at all ashamed to say that I meet one of the stereotypes of the parents of a single child – I’m too selfish to have another one.  I spent ten days hiking around Mont Blanc when my daughter was eight weeks old; it was a big part of how I reconciled my previous life with being a parent.  But how on earth would I do that with a three year old in tow?  How would I do pretty much anything except *be a parent?*  So the reason I hadn’t even thought of doing an episode on the single child was because mine was already committed to being a single child and I didn’t really figure there was a whole lot different about parenting a single child than more than one.  But when Sylvia’s question came through I realized that I hadn’t really given it the attention it probably deserves, so I have not one but two episodes coming up for you, no matter on which side of this fence you sit.  Today’s episode will focus on parenting an only child, and we’ll have one coming up in the near future on the relationships between siblings and how they impact a child’s development.

So parenting single children used to be a pretty strange thing.  Large families have been common for hundreds of years mostly because of the amount of work that needed to be done on a farm – and the infant mortality rate was so high that parents *had* to keep having children just to make sure they would have enough children to keep the land producing food.  Even once western society was well into the industrial age, it was almost like we just had a habit of producing large families that we couldn’t get out of, and this was supported by a variety of pieces of advice from the popular press up to neuropsychiatrists, who had a poor opinion of only children.  I should say that in this episode I’m going to draw on three books on only children (as well as the studies they cite), and primary among these is one called “One and Only” by Lauren Sandler.  It’s very well written and seems to be fairly well sourced, although it’s hard to tell for sure because Ms. Sandler isn’t very good at citing those sources.  Sometimes she does actually describe a particular study and it’s authors well enough for me to be able to find it, but often she just makes vague mention of something like a Gallup Poll, which doesn’t give me anywhere near enough information to find it and verify that it says what she says it says.  Having come pretty close to getting burned on that front in episode 18 on the book “The Spiritual Child,” where the author did cite her sources which enabled me to find that several of them were seriously misrepresented in her book, I didn’t want to get burned again on this one.  It did seem rather rude to email Ms. Sanders and say “could you please send me a list of your references so I can make sure you’re legit before I ask you to interview with me,” so I verified the sources I could, and was able to cross-reference many of them because there haven’t been *that many* studies done of only children, and the other two books I read as well referenced many of them.

Lauren Sandler gives passing mention to a study that was published in 1895 conducted by one E.W. Bohannon that I think lays such an incredible foundation for what seems to be a pervasive myth of the deficiencies of only children that I want to tell you quite a bit more about it than she did.  So our Professor Bohannon posted a notice somewhere, he doesn’t say where, for respondents to think about peculiar and exceptional children they might have known in childhood, whether any of their friends fit the bill, if they’re teachers or professors then to ask their students what kind of peculiar and exceptional children they know, and finally recount the characteristics of any exceptional children “you ever read of, whether fact or fiction.”  Professor Bohannon received descriptions of 1,045 children, fully 850 of them from a teacher at a state school in Trenton.  Categories of peculiar or exceptional children include the heavy, the tall, the small, the strong, the weak, the silent, the loquacious, and, of course, the only child.  45 of the cases are explicitly stated to be of this class, and I’ll quote the description of one of them which is representative of the whole: “Male, 10 years old. Light (we assume they mean light-skinned.) Selfish, spoiled, and ill-natured. Is so selfish that children of his own age will not play with him. Always wants his own way and plays with children much younger than himself.  Very ugly to them unless they allow him his own play in everything.  Children at school will very seldom play with him.  Is delicate.  Father’s mother not selfish.”  The commentary goes on to say that “46 of the 1045 cases are explicitly stated to be of this class, while there are a number of others that obviously are (although professor Bohannon doesn’t say how he knows this).  Thus one out of twenty of the entire number is an “only child” – a number entirely out of proportion to that found among children generally.  The only child in a family is therefore very likely to be “peculiar and exceptional.”

Now I suppose it goes without saying that the quality of this study was pretty low; the recruitment methodology was suspect in the extreme, since it relies on what individuals know and/or remember about the characteristics of other individuals as well as fictional characters.  Professor Bohannon made no attempt at all to obtain a sample that even came anywhere close to being representative, so the idea I want to leave you with here could be boiled down to the new title that we’re going to bestow on this article: “Crappy study finds only children suck.”  Unfortunately, once applied, the label stuck.  Lauren Sandler goes on to quote a variety of publications that I wasn’t able to get my hands on, including The Guide to Good Manners for Kids, published in 1926, which said that a parents’ chief concern is that an only child is bound to be a “spoiled child” with apparently shameful behavior.  The 1927 book “Child Guidance” says that “the only child is greatly handicapped.  He cannot be expected to go through life with the same capacity for adjustment that the child reared in the family with other children has.”  The book says that only children are handicapped because of their lack of contact with other children and because they have to constantly compete with adults.  “The only way in which he can exceed these adults is in infantile behavior.  He can scream, louder than they can.  He can throw himself on the floor.”  Needless to say, none of these works could be described as rigorous or scientific or even referenced in any way, shape, or form.

The best early study was conducted by Norman Fenton of the Whittier State School in California in 1928, who cites Bohannon’s work as well as both of the other books that Lauren Sandler quotes (she actually lifts Fenton’s quotes from these books), as well as an assortment of other articles and books which all have essentially the same message.  So Fenton decided to try to test whether only children really are different from children with siblings by studying a group of children aged between the kindergarten and sixth grade years, and two groups of university students, with both only children and children with siblings in each group.  Two teachers who had known each child for at least one semester rated each child on a series of twelve scales including self-confidence, generosity, sociability, obedience, and truthfulness.  Fenton’s conclusions are striking enough that I’m going to quote him: “It is noted that there is considerable overlapping in the teacher’s ratings of the two groups of the children studied, ranging from 73.1% to 90% or more (and, as a side note, when Fenton says “overlapping” he means that “the two groups are essentially the same.”).  In generosity and sociability, two traits in which in ordinary accounts only children are supposed to be especially inferior, the overlapping is considerable – 90% or more.”  On the other characteristics that he studied, the overlap between only children and children with siblings varied between 80% and 90%, with only children being very slightly more likely to be more self-confident, more aggressive and insist upon having their own way, be more optimistic, be more self-assured, higher in originality, and be slightly less obedient.  But again, the idea I want you to take away from this is that the overall differences between children with siblings and children without are very small.

Now keep in mind that Fenton’s research was published in 1928, just a year before the Great Depression began, and just a few years later only children went from being something of an oddity to being 30% of the total number of homes with children.  Despite the sudden “normalcy” of only children, the dual narratives had been established – study after study after study found very few differences between only children and children with siblings, while the popular press reported – and the general public opinion believed – that only children faced a serious disadvantage in life, that the “the usual overattention of a single child” was responsible for leading an English man to shoot 31 people before killing himself in 1987 and, of course, that the entire generation of only children born under China’s one-child policy were “indulgent, selfish, introverted, unconcerned, and unable to care for themselves.”

So what’s the status of the research right now?  Well, it turns out that research on only children was quite a hot topic in the 1980s and interest has rather cooled off since then, so the data isn’t the freshest, but the story remains much the same.

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Professor Toni Falbo has conducted and analyzed much of the research on this topic; her first paper appeared in the Journal of Individual Psychology in 1977 and in 2012 she revisited the topic with an update.  She reports that the clearest findings are related to intellectual abilities, with preadolescent only children scoring higher on academic tests than children with siblings, the difference being greatest when you’re looking at only children contrasted with children with many siblings.  But apparently this difference evens out somewhat by the time the children reach adolescence, with only children still out-scoring children from many families, but about the same as children from two-child families.

A variety of studies have reported conflicting findings on interpersonal skills, with only children scoring better on likeability in some studies, worse in others, and the same as children with siblings in still others.

Professor Falbo conducted three meta analyses of other studies on only children.  The technique she used combines the quantitative data that are generated by many other researchers into a single statistic called an “effect size,” which can be evaluated in terms of its size, statistical significance, and direction.  She combined the data from 39 studies that looked at a child’s adjustment (so, characteristics like self-esteem and anxiety), 30 studies on sociability, and 30 studies on character (things like leadership), comparing only children to children with siblings.  The differences in adjustment and sociability were (and I quote) “not statistically different from zero,” which means that when you add up all these studies with conflicting findings the overall result is that there is no difference between the adjustment and sociability of only children from children with siblings.  Professor Falbo found this finding to be pretty remarkable because we assume that growing up with siblings is essential for children to acquire the skills they need for successful adjustment and social interactions with others outside the home.  On the topic of character, only children had an advantage, particularly when compared to children from large families.

When Professor Falbo looked at 16 characteristics related to achievement and intelligence, only children were essentially the same as children with siblings on 14 of the 16 characteristics they studied.  The only two that were different were achievement motivation and self-esteem, and the only children came out ahead on both counts, although the difference was small.  Only children also had greater verbal abilities when compared with peers from larger families, and particularly the younger members of those families.  Two professors who conducted a study on this topic hypothesized that the early intellectual capacity of only children is a result of the increased amount of time the children spend]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/only]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1582</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9b9cd7eb-5117-4036-81cf-a4201906909d/only-children.mp3" length="15649289" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:46</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Today&apos;s episode comes to us as a result of a listener who wrote to me saying she and her partner don&apos;t want another child but are worried about the potential impact on their daughter of growing up without siblings.

Personally I don&apos;t have this problem; my own selfishness about not wanting a second child has overridden the issue of growing up without siblings to the extent that I had actually never considered it a potential problem until I received the question.  But having pondered it and found that there is some research on it, I decided the time was ripe to find out whether only children really are as awful as popular wisdom says they are.

Listen up, my friends.  Will I be vindicated, or will I throw away that pack of birth control pills before the end of the episode?</itunes:summary></item><item><title>039: What to do when your toddler says “No, I don’t wanna…!”</title><itunes:title>039: What to do when your toddler says &quot;No, I don’t wanna…!&quot;</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[It’s no secret that I do some episodes of the podcast altruistically for you, dear listeners, because I’m not facing the situation that I’m studying – or at least not yet. (Eyebrows were raised in our house when I started researching the impact of divorce on children but luckily for me I don’t need that episode…yet…)

But today’s episode is for me, and you guys are just along for the ride. Because, friends, we are in the thick of what I now know to be called “oppositional defiance,” otherwise known as “Noooo! I don’t wanna [insert activity here]”. We’ll discuss why toddlers are defiant, and lots of strategies we can use to deal with that defiance and even head it off at the pass. If your child has ever said “No!” to something you want them to do, this episode is for you!<span id="more-3133"></span>

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/how-to-talk/">022: How to talk so little kids will listen (Author interview)</a>

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Dix, T., Stewart, A.D., Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Day, W.T. (2007). Autonomy and children’s reactions to being controlled: Evidence that both compliance and defiance may be positive markers in early development. <em>Child Development</em> <em>78</em>(4), 1204-1221.

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Dunn, J., &amp; Munn, P. (1986). Sibling quarrels and maternal intervention: Individual differences in understanding aggression. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and </em><em>Psychiatry, 27</em>, 583-595. doi: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.1986.tb00184.x

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Eyberg, S. M., Nelson, M. M., &amp; Boggs, S. R. (2008). Evidence-based psychosocial treatments for children and adolescents with disruptive behavior. <em>Journal of </em><em>Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology, 37, </em>215-237. doi: 10.1080/15374410701820117

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Grolnick, W.S. (2012). The relations among parental power assertion, control, and structure. <em>Human Development 55</em>, 57-64. DOI: 10.1159/000338533

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Grusec, J. E. (2012). Socialization and the role of power assertion. <em>Human </em><em>Development, 55, </em>52-56. doi: 10.1159/000337963

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Kaler, S. R., &amp; Kopp, C. B. (1990). Compliance and comprehension in very young toddlers. <em>Child Development, 61, </em>1997-2003. doi: 10.2307/1130853

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Knowles, S.J. (2014). The effectiveness of mother’s disciplinary reasoning in response to toddler noncompliance (Unpublished doctoral dissertation). Oklahoma State University. Full copy available at: https://shareok.org/bitstream/handle/11244/25670/Knowles_okstate_0664D_13688.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y

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Kuczynski, L. (1984). Socialization goals and mother-child interaction: Strategies for long-term and short-term compliance. <em>Developmental Psychology 20</em>(6), 1061-1073.

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Langer, E., Blank, A., &amp; Chanowitz, B. (1978). The mindlessness of Ostensibly Thoughtful Action: The Role of “Placebic” Information in Interpersonal Interaction. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 36</em>(6), 635-642.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Now it’s no secret that I do some episodes of the podcast altruistically for you, dear listeners, because I’m not facing the situation that I’m studying – or at least not yet.  (Eyebrows were raised in our house when I started researching the impact of divorce on children but luckily for me I don’t need that episode…yet…)

But today’s episode is <em>for me</em>, and you guys are just along for the ride.  Because, friends, we are in the thick of what I now know to be called “oppositional defiance,” otherwise known as “Noooo! I don’t wanna [insert activity here]”.  There’s actually an oppositional defiant disorder that’s described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which is more commonly known as the DSM-5, because it’s in its fifth revision.  And I should say that the DSM is not infallible and is susceptible to societal trends – homosexuality was defined as a mental disorder in the DSM until 1973.  But right now Oppositional Defiant Disorder is in the DSM, and it’s defined as having four of a list of eight symptoms which fall into three major buckets: 1. Angry or irritable mood, 2. Argumentative or defiant behavior, and 3. Vindictiveness.  And before you think “wait, I think I fit those characteristics some days” I should point out that it’s the persistence and frequency of these behaviors that should be used to distinguish behavior that is within normal limits from behavior that is symptomatic.  For children younger than 5 years, the behavior should occur on most days for a period of at least six months, and for children older than 5 years it should be at least once a week for at least six months.  There are additional critieria around whether the behavior is associated with distress in a particular setting or if it impacts negatively on social or educational outcomes.  I’ll put the link to the detailed critieria in the references in case you’re worried that your child might meet them, but today we’re going to talk about the non-clinical kind of oppositional defiance that can still be <em>incredibly frustrating</em> to deal with.

According to one group of researchers, “few periods in development are more important than when parents’ attempts to control and socialize children emerge in the second year,” so as you might expect, we’re going to need to sort through quite a bit of conflicting information.

So let’s start with why all this is important and, funnily enough, it actually goes back to the episodes we’ve done on culture – our second episode (which was the first real episode of the show, after the introductory one) was on how culture impacts our parenting and we just dived into that topic again recently with the episode on the book Generation:Me.  I’m going to read a short paragraph from a paper on compliance and defiance in early childhood: “Lay persons and researchers agree that compliance with parents is critical to child development.  Parents report that obedience is a principal childrearing objective, and researchers emphasize that compliance facilitates the development of morality, self-regulation, and a range of social competences.  When parents elicit compliance, they integrate children into interactions that help children regulate their emotions, internalize prosocial behavior, and in general coordinate their intentions and actions with the intentions and actions of others.  In contrast, noncompliance is often considered a marker for poor parent-child relationships, poor internalization of prosocial values, and increased likelihood of serious behavior problems.”  Now I was actually really surprised to see that both parents and researchers put so much emphasis on children complying with parental requests, especially since we learned in the Generation:Me episode that parents in this generation put a premium on encouraging children to think for themselves, which seems to contradict the emphasis on obedience we’re seeing here – unless, I suppose, your child learns to think for himself or herself and decides by himself (or herself) that you are right and of course they should obey you.  But researchers now understand that strong parent agency and strong child agency are not incompatible – in other words, both parties can have some control in the relationship, although who has what control and how it is asserted have be renegotiated over and over again as the child gets older.  In our culture, the child’s power assertion can be seen as having a positive role – the child not only learns how to negotiate, but also that it is possible in the first place to take initiative and oppose what the child sees as injustice.  Most of us want our children to learn that protesting what a person thinks of as unfair is fine as long as the protest itself isn’t defiant or antisocial in its character, so our challenge is to induce compliance where we need it while demonstrating that we are open to negotiation where the request is reasonable.

Part of the reason that these conflicts occur seems to be that the child reaches an age where they realize that they actually can assert their own opinion right at the same time as the parents realize that the child isn’t just a baby any more, but should start to learn about some of the social conventions that make both the family work as a unit and the child function successfully in the wider world.  So the child wants to assert their own ideas but the parents either want their child to behave in a certain way, or see that other people around the family want the child to behave in a certain way, then the stage is set for disagreements.  But I think we can agree that even if we value independent thinking there are times when we want our children to just do what we ask them to do, for goodness sake, so let’s talk about the factors involved in gaining that compliance.

The very highly regarded child psychologist Diana Baumrind described three types of relationships that parents can have with their children.  The first is a permissive relationship, where parents are reluctant to discipline and avoid dealing with their children’s problematic behavior.  It’s pretty well established at this point that an authoritative relationship between parents and children is good for kids, at least if you are White.  If you’re a regular listener you might recall having heard this term before; authoritative parents allow some give and take, provide reasons when they make...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[It’s no secret that I do some episodes of the podcast altruistically for you, dear listeners, because I’m not facing the situation that I’m studying – or at least not yet. (Eyebrows were raised in our house when I started researching the impact of divorce on children but luckily for me I don’t need that episode…yet…)

But today’s episode is for me, and you guys are just along for the ride. Because, friends, we are in the thick of what I now know to be called “oppositional defiance,” otherwise known as “Noooo! I don’t wanna [insert activity here]”. We’ll discuss why toddlers are defiant, and lots of strategies we can use to deal with that defiance and even head it off at the pass. If your child has ever said “No!” to something you want them to do, this episode is for you!<span id="more-3133"></span>

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/how-to-talk/">022: How to talk so little kids will listen (Author interview)</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Dix, T., Stewart, A.D., Gershoff, E.T., &amp; Day, W.T. (2007). Autonomy and children’s reactions to being controlled: Evidence that both compliance and defiance may be positive markers in early development. <em>Child Development</em> <em>78</em>(4), 1204-1221.

<hr />

Dunn, J., &amp; Munn, P. (1986). Sibling quarrels and maternal intervention: Individual differences in understanding aggression. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and </em><em>Psychiatry, 27</em>, 583-595. doi: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.1986.tb00184.x

<hr />

Eyberg, S. M., Nelson, M. M., &amp; Boggs, S. R. (2008). Evidence-based psychosocial treatments for children and adolescents with disruptive behavior. <em>Journal of </em><em>Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology, 37, </em>215-237. doi: 10.1080/15374410701820117

<hr />

Grolnick, W.S. (2012). The relations among parental power assertion, control, and structure. <em>Human Development 55</em>, 57-64. DOI: 10.1159/000338533

<hr />

Grusec, J. E. (2012). Socialization and the role of power assertion. <em>Human </em><em>Development, 55, </em>52-56. doi: 10.1159/000337963

<hr />

Kaler, S. R., &amp; Kopp, C. B. (1990). Compliance and comprehension in very young toddlers. <em>Child Development, 61, </em>1997-2003. doi: 10.2307/1130853

<hr />

Knowles, S.J. (2014). The effectiveness of mother’s disciplinary reasoning in response to toddler noncompliance (Unpublished doctoral dissertation). Oklahoma State University. Full copy available at: https://shareok.org/bitstream/handle/11244/25670/Knowles_okstate_0664D_13688.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y

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Kuczynski, L. (1984). Socialization goals and mother-child interaction: Strategies for long-term and short-term compliance. <em>Developmental Psychology 20</em>(6), 1061-1073.

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Langer, E., Blank, A., &amp; Chanowitz, B. (1978). The mindlessness of Ostensibly Thoughtful Action: The Role of “Placebic” Information in Interpersonal Interaction. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 36</em>(6), 635-642.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Now it’s no secret that I do some episodes of the podcast altruistically for you, dear listeners, because I’m not facing the situation that I’m studying – or at least not yet.  (Eyebrows were raised in our house when I started researching the impact of divorce on children but luckily for me I don’t need that episode…yet…)

But today’s episode is <em>for me</em>, and you guys are just along for the ride.  Because, friends, we are in the thick of what I now know to be called “oppositional defiance,” otherwise known as “Noooo! I don’t wanna [insert activity here]”.  There’s actually an oppositional defiant disorder that’s described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which is more commonly known as the DSM-5, because it’s in its fifth revision.  And I should say that the DSM is not infallible and is susceptible to societal trends – homosexuality was defined as a mental disorder in the DSM until 1973.  But right now Oppositional Defiant Disorder is in the DSM, and it’s defined as having four of a list of eight symptoms which fall into three major buckets: 1. Angry or irritable mood, 2. Argumentative or defiant behavior, and 3. Vindictiveness.  And before you think “wait, I think I fit those characteristics some days” I should point out that it’s the persistence and frequency of these behaviors that should be used to distinguish behavior that is within normal limits from behavior that is symptomatic.  For children younger than 5 years, the behavior should occur on most days for a period of at least six months, and for children older than 5 years it should be at least once a week for at least six months.  There are additional critieria around whether the behavior is associated with distress in a particular setting or if it impacts negatively on social or educational outcomes.  I’ll put the link to the detailed critieria in the references in case you’re worried that your child might meet them, but today we’re going to talk about the non-clinical kind of oppositional defiance that can still be <em>incredibly frustrating</em> to deal with.

According to one group of researchers, “few periods in development are more important than when parents’ attempts to control and socialize children emerge in the second year,” so as you might expect, we’re going to need to sort through quite a bit of conflicting information.

So let’s start with why all this is important and, funnily enough, it actually goes back to the episodes we’ve done on culture – our second episode (which was the first real episode of the show, after the introductory one) was on how culture impacts our parenting and we just dived into that topic again recently with the episode on the book Generation:Me.  I’m going to read a short paragraph from a paper on compliance and defiance in early childhood: “Lay persons and researchers agree that compliance with parents is critical to child development.  Parents report that obedience is a principal childrearing objective, and researchers emphasize that compliance facilitates the development of morality, self-regulation, and a range of social competences.  When parents elicit compliance, they integrate children into interactions that help children regulate their emotions, internalize prosocial behavior, and in general coordinate their intentions and actions with the intentions and actions of others.  In contrast, noncompliance is often considered a marker for poor parent-child relationships, poor internalization of prosocial values, and increased likelihood of serious behavior problems.”  Now I was actually really surprised to see that both parents and researchers put so much emphasis on children complying with parental requests, especially since we learned in the Generation:Me episode that parents in this generation put a premium on encouraging children to think for themselves, which seems to contradict the emphasis on obedience we’re seeing here – unless, I suppose, your child learns to think for himself or herself and decides by himself (or herself) that you are right and of course they should obey you.  But researchers now understand that strong parent agency and strong child agency are not incompatible – in other words, both parties can have some control in the relationship, although who has what control and how it is asserted have be renegotiated over and over again as the child gets older.  In our culture, the child’s power assertion can be seen as having a positive role – the child not only learns how to negotiate, but also that it is possible in the first place to take initiative and oppose what the child sees as injustice.  Most of us want our children to learn that protesting what a person thinks of as unfair is fine as long as the protest itself isn’t defiant or antisocial in its character, so our challenge is to induce compliance where we need it while demonstrating that we are open to negotiation where the request is reasonable.

Part of the reason that these conflicts occur seems to be that the child reaches an age where they realize that they actually can assert their own opinion right at the same time as the parents realize that the child isn’t just a baby any more, but should start to learn about some of the social conventions that make both the family work as a unit and the child function successfully in the wider world.  So the child wants to assert their own ideas but the parents either want their child to behave in a certain way, or see that other people around the family want the child to behave in a certain way, then the stage is set for disagreements.  But I think we can agree that even if we value independent thinking there are times when we want our children to just do what we ask them to do, for goodness sake, so let’s talk about the factors involved in gaining that compliance.

The very highly regarded child psychologist Diana Baumrind described three types of relationships that parents can have with their children.  The first is a permissive relationship, where parents are reluctant to discipline and avoid dealing with their children’s problematic behavior.  It’s pretty well established at this point that an authoritative relationship between parents and children is good for kids, at least if you are White.  If you’re a regular listener you might recall having heard this term before; authoritative parents allow some give and take, provide reasons when they make demands of children, and are open to negotiation.  They provide a loving and warm relationship although they are not afraid to set limits when limits are needed.  And I say that this is the best style if you’re White because the vast majority of research on parenting styles has been done on White children with White parents, but some research shows that an authoritarian style, which is where parents have high demands but provide little in the way of feedback and nurturance and may also be coercive and make threats toward their children.  White children tend not to do well with authoritarian parents but Black children actually fare better.  Authoritative parenting might still be best, but authoritarian parenting is OK.

So that said, researchers have been curious to find out whether parents that have an authoritative relationship (which, as a reminder, is the “good” kind of relationship) with their children experience more or less conflict.  Relationship theories say that when children form secure, affectionate, reciprocal relationships with their parents then they’re more likely to want to please their parents and comply with their parents’ wishes.  So if parents are warm, sensitive, and non-coercive, then children will cooperate most of the time and not be defiant very often, and this has been supported by research as well.  Now this is troubling to me, of course, because I think I’ve worked pretty hard to develop a warm, sensitive, non-coercive relationship with my daughter and she still puts up a fight when it’s time to get dressed pretty much every damn morning.

But let’s set that aside for a minute and look at another set of processes in a child’s development that are also important, and those are the emerging sense of autonomy and self-efficacy.  The researchers in this camp observe that a child doesn’t say “Noooo I don’t wanna get dressed” just because she wants to be obstinate but because she wants to be autonomous and control what happens in her life.  They think that where parents avoid exerting too much control over their children and allow the child to take the lead, the child learns that their wants and actions control events around them.

So one group of researchers decided to try to test which of these apparently contradictory theories was mostly responsible for defiant resistance.  They thought that if young children resist being controlled primarily because their relationship with their mother isn’t very good, then even when control is not an issue, “defiant” children may display negative behavior toward their mothers.  But on the other hand, if young children resist being controlled because they have a strong sense of autonomy, then when control isn’t an issue, “defiant” children may display more positive behavior toward their mothers.  They conducted an experiment where mothers and children in a lab setting were put in a room with some things like a pair of eyeglasses and a jug of water with some paper cups that needed parental supervision to use.  There were also some toys that the mother and child were to play with together, as well as some attractive toys that the child wasn’t allowed to touch, and at the end of 15 minutes playing the researcher asked the mother to get the child’s help with cleaning up.  The researchers recorded the interactions between the mothers and children and coded those to analyze them.  It turns out that the more defiance children displayed, the more they initiated positive interaction with their mothers.  So among children who initiated a lot of positive interactions, 54% were also high in defiance, and among children who didn’t initiate a lot of positive interactions, only 21% were high in defiance.  Children who smiled more at their mothers and initiated positive interactions with their mothers were significantly more likely to display both high defiance (behavior like taking more toys of the box at clean-up time) and low passive non-compliance (which is behavior like just standing by while the mothers did the cleaning up).  The researchers also timed how long it took children to initiate positive interactions and display defiant noncompliance at cleanup time, and the more quickly children initiated positive interactions, the more they displayed defiant noncompliance.

So why does this happen?  Why are positive relationships with a parent linked to more defiant behavior?  The researchers hypothesized that because sensitive mothers adapt to children’s signals, use noncoercive forms of control and allow children to control the social interaction, their children may develop strong autonomy motivation, the belief that they can control events, and expectations that their mothers will respond favorably when the children assert their needs.  And children who exhibit strong defiance may elicit something from parents that helps children to develop ways to resolve frustration and reconcile conflict – things like rules around social interactions, the fact that others have feelings and needs that should be respected, and potential actions that can be taken to cooperate with parents.  A variety of researchers think that children who are securely attached to their parents feel comfortable enough with those parents to be less compliant; it’s the ones that aren’t comfortable with their parents who are compliant because they’re afraid to be defiant.  What isn’t yet well understood is whether children benefit when parents tolerate defiant behavior or try to inhibit it, but researchers do think that while defiant behavior is a hallmark of problematic development a few years after toddler-hood, there’s no indication that defiance in toddlerhood is linked to problems later in life.

OK, so we now have some evidence that just having a toddler who is defiant doesn’t mean we’re terrible parents (perhaps we should all carry a card with the link for this episode on it that we can give to strangers who give us snarky looks when our child pitches a fit out in public.).  But what are we supposed to do when our child doesn’t do what we ask?

One set of researchers that are focused on parental interventions based on behavioral management train parents to minimize their use of disciplinary reasoning and instead respond to noncompliance with a series of increasingly forceful tactics to assert their power – things like commands, then single warnings, then time-outs.  The idea is that children eventually learn that if they’re being given a command and they refuse now, they’re going to eventually get a time-out so they might as well just obey the command now.  But the research supporting this approach is largely based on children who have behavior “problems” that the parents perceive as so severe that the children have been diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder or its relative conduct disorder, and it’s not at all clear to me that these approaches are suitable for children who have not been clinically diagnosed with these disorders.  Secondly, since these tactics are among the more common ones parents tend to use to gain compliance in the first place, it seems not inconceivable that the breakdown in relationship that may have occurred as a result of the parent’s frequent use of power to gain compliance might be in part responsible for the “disorder” in the first place.

Professor Wendy Grolnick has done a lot of research on a different approach; one of her major interests is on self-determination theory so perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised where her results land in this arena.  Self-Determination Theory is the idea that humans have a need to feel as though they have control over their lives, and that they are competent, and that they are connected to and valued by people who are important to them.  So self-determination theorists believe that acknowledging the child’s perspectives, providing choice, displaying empathy, and engaging in joint problem solving helps to build not only a positive relationship between parent and child, but also the child’s own feelings of control, competence, and connectedness.  And if these strategies for gaining compliance sort of sound vaguely familiar to you then they should, because they are *exactly * the kinds of strategies that are described in the book How to Talk so Little Kids will Listen, which we discussed with the co-author Julie King back in episode 22 of the podcast.  So now we understand a little more clearly that the strategies Julie and her coauthor Joanna Faber describe aren’t pulled out of thin air; they’re actually grounded in research about how children develop a sense of control, competence, and connecteness.

We can look at parental authority in the light of characteristics like empathy, competence, and connectedness and try to understand what about parental authority – where it’s not forced or coercive – makes it helpful to children.  Professor Grolnick argues that when parents provide clear and consistent expectations about behavior, and predictable consequences, children understand how their actions lead to success or failure, which helps them to feel both in control and competent.  By contrast, when parents just assert power over children as a means of gaining compliance, that power isn’t connected to any need that the *child* has but rather just the *parent’s* need for the child’s compliance, so it doesn’t help the child to learn or develop.

Parents might also wonder “well, should I reward the behavior I want to see to try to get my child to do more of that and less of the behavior I don’t like?”  And Professor Grolnick’s answer would be “well you can, and if the reward is unexpected then that’s fine because the child didn’t have to do a certain thing to get the reward (which sort of defeats the point a bit).”  But rewards that are contingent on performing a particular behavior control the child but don’t support the child’s competence, and also undermine the child’s intrinsic motivation to comply in the future.  So if]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/defiance]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1577</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c7626969-6f20-4732-8ee6-d2688be23e15/oppositional-defiancemixdown.mp3" length="17489136" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>It’s no secret that I do some episodes of the podcast altruistically for you, dear listeners, because I’m not facing the situation that I’m studying – or at least not yet. (Eyebrows were raised in our house when I started researching the impact of divorce on children but luckily for me I don’t need that episode…yet…)

But today’s episode is for me, and you guys are just along for the ride. Because, friends, we are in the thick of what I now know to be called “oppositional defiance,” otherwise known as “Noooo! I don’t wanna [insert activity here]”. We&apos;ll discuss why toddlers are defiant, and lots of strategies we can use to deal with that defiance and even head it off at the pass. If your child has ever said &quot;No!&quot; to something you want them to do, this episode is for you!</itunes:summary></item><item><title>038: The Opposite of Spoiled</title><itunes:title>038: The Opposite of Spoiled</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We’re concluding our mini-mini series today on chores – and on paying children to do chores, which leads us to larger conversations about money. If you missed the first part of this then then you might want to go and listen to last week’s interview with Dr. Andrew Coppens, who explores the ways that families in different cultures approach chores and what lessons that can hold for those of us who want to encourage our children to do their chores.

Today we’re going to take that conversation to its logical conclusion by talking about money, and what better guest to do that with us than Ron Lieber,who wrote the book <a href="http://amzn.to/2FSlvgA">The Opposite of Spoiled: Raising Kids who are Grounded, Generous, and Smart About Money</a> (affiliate link). It’s a really practical guide to talking with your children about money – from what information they should have at what age, to what to do with a child who always wants you to buy them something at the store, to what to say when a child wonders why homeless people don’t have enough money.

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<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

021: <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talk-sex-today/">Talk Sex Today</a>

034: How do I get my child to do chores?

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<strong>This episode is the first in a series on the intersection of parenting and money.  You can find other episodes in this series:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/carl-richards">Carl Richards’ cartoons</a> for the New York Times

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Lahey, J. (2016). The gift of failure. New York: Harper.

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Lieber, R. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FSlvgA">The opposite of spoiled</a>. New York: Harper. (Affiliate link)

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Lythcott-Haimes, J. (2016). How to raise an adult.: Break free of the overparenting trap and prepare your kid for success. New York: St. Martin’s Griffin.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Now before we get going with today’s episode, which I’m actually really excited about, I wanted to start with some housekeeping items. Firstly, I wanted to update you on our progress towards the goal that I set a couple of weeks back to double the number of subscribers to the show and I wanted to check back in with you and let you know that I’m about halfway towards my goal. So if you subscribed to the show recently, then thank you. I really appreciate it. And I also wanted to remind you that if you subscribe through iTunes, then I actually can’t count that towards my goal because the subscription on iTunes kind of disappears into a black box. I never hear about it and I have absolutely no idea how many subscribers I have there. So if you enjoy the show and are subscribed through iTunes or if you aren’t subscribed at all, would you mind doing me a huge favor and subscribing through my website at YourParentingMojo.com

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.76">[01:26]</a></u>

You’ll also get a free gift for doing it through my website, which is a download of seven relationship based strategies to help your child thrive. So I hope you find that useful. The other thing I wanted to mention is that I’ve been doing some soul searching regarding the show. This is episode 38, which means we’ve been running for about nine months now and I really loved working on it. I completed my masters in psychology focusing on child development several months ago and it’s really not an exaggeration to say that I learn more from producing the average episode for you than I did for the average paper for my degree. I love reading and researching and synthesizing and I really get a kick out of having the show. I also love hearing from you and I’m honored that a number of you have taken the time out of your day to thank me for the work that I do and also to make suggestions for episodes which you know, I take seriously as many of the episodes I run these days are based on those suggestions, but I’m coming to a period in my life where things are about to get kind of busy.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.32">[02:23]</a></u>

I’m working on a master’s in education because when I say I love to learn, I’m really not joking and I still have a full time job and of course I’m a parent and underlying all of this is my desire to shift away from having a full time job and toward being self sufficient so I can homeschool my daughter. So I’m trying to come up with ways to keep doing the podcast, which so many of you seem to find useful and also have it continue to help support my own goals. I’m considering a number of options here. One might be to drop the episode frequency down to every other week instead of every week, and since it takes about 12 hours to research and write an average episode, that really would be quite time saver. I’ve also thought about accepting advertising, but honestly I’d really hate to do that because most of what I advocate is that you have everything you need to effectively parent your child and it would feel really disingenuous to turn around and then try and sell you stuff on the show.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.31">[03:16]</a></u>

I’m also thinking about releasing each episode for a week or so publicly and then putting them behind a pay wall for ongoing access. Perhaps this could be combined with a membership to a private Facebook group where I post information about research I find that’s relevant to child development and where we could even have conversations on topics that interest the group. The membership fee might be something like five bucks a month, which works out to about a dollar 25 an episode, which really doesn’t seem like an unreasonable investment to me as I’m thinking about it. I reached out to several listeners who have been in touch with me with some frequency – some of you have a lot of suggestions for episodes and you know you guys are pondering on your answers and I’m looking forward to seeing those. If you’re a subscriber to the show, then you’ve probably also received an email because you guys are the ones who support me by showing up here week after week and learning about parenting alongside me.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.18">[04:04]</a></u>

If you have strong thoughts about ways that I can continue to make this work, then please do drop me a line and even if you’re just a part time listener and you drop in every once in a while to see what’s going on, then welcome and please feel free to cast your vote by sending an email to jen@yourparentingmojo.com, or using the contact form on YourParentingMojo.com. If you’d like to cast your vote one way or another, then feel free to let me know or if you hate all the ideas and would stop listening if I use any of the ones I’ve mentioned, you can let me know that as well, or if you have any amazing ideas that I haven’t mentioned yet, then please let me know those too. Thank you so much for your support as I work on figuring this out. Now onto today’s episode, we’re concluding our mini mini series today on chores and on paying children to do chores, which leads us to larger conversations about money.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.33">[04:52]</a></u>

If you missed the first part of this, then you might want to go back and listen to episode 34, which was my interview with Dr Andrew Coppens, who explores the way that families in different cultures approach chores and what lessons that can hold for those of us who want to encourage our children to do their chores, and today we’re going to take that conversation to its logical conclusion by talking about money and what better guests to do that with us than Ron Lieber, whose website tells us that he is a husband, a dad, and the your money columnist for the New York Times. He’s been that your money columnist for the New York Times since 2009. But his bio actually doesn’t say how long has held the first two. How long have you been a husband and dad, Ron?

Mr. Lieber:   <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We’re concluding our mini-mini series today on chores – and on paying children to do chores, which leads us to larger conversations about money. If you missed the first part of this then then you might want to go and listen to last week’s interview with Dr. Andrew Coppens, who explores the ways that families in different cultures approach chores and what lessons that can hold for those of us who want to encourage our children to do their chores.

Today we’re going to take that conversation to its logical conclusion by talking about money, and what better guest to do that with us than Ron Lieber,who wrote the book <a href="http://amzn.to/2FSlvgA">The Opposite of Spoiled: Raising Kids who are Grounded, Generous, and Smart About Money</a> (affiliate link). It’s a really practical guide to talking with your children about money – from what information they should have at what age, to what to do with a child who always wants you to buy them something at the store, to what to say when a child wonders why homeless people don’t have enough money.

&nbsp;

<strong>Other episodes mentioned in this show</strong>

021: <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/talk-sex-today/">Talk Sex Today</a>

034: How do I get my child to do chores?

&nbsp;

<strong>This episode is the first in a series on the intersection of parenting and money.  You can find other episodes in this series:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/mindovermoney/">105: How to pass on mental wealth to your child</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/consumerism/">107: The impact of consumerism on children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/playroom/">112: How to Set up a Play Room</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/advertising/">115: Reducing the Impact of Advertising to Children</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/captivate-podcast/materialism/">118: Are You Raising Materialistic Kids?</a>

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/carl-richards">Carl Richards’ cartoons</a> for the New York Times

<hr />

Lahey, J. (2016). The gift of failure. New York: Harper.

<hr />

Lieber, R. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FSlvgA">The opposite of spoiled</a>. New York: Harper. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Lythcott-Haimes, J. (2016). How to raise an adult.: Break free of the overparenting trap and prepare your kid for success. New York: St. Martin’s Griffin.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Now before we get going with today’s episode, which I’m actually really excited about, I wanted to start with some housekeeping items. Firstly, I wanted to update you on our progress towards the goal that I set a couple of weeks back to double the number of subscribers to the show and I wanted to check back in with you and let you know that I’m about halfway towards my goal. So if you subscribed to the show recently, then thank you. I really appreciate it. And I also wanted to remind you that if you subscribe through iTunes, then I actually can’t count that towards my goal because the subscription on iTunes kind of disappears into a black box. I never hear about it and I have absolutely no idea how many subscribers I have there. So if you enjoy the show and are subscribed through iTunes or if you aren’t subscribed at all, would you mind doing me a huge favor and subscribing through my website at YourParentingMojo.com

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.76">[01:26]</a></u>

You’ll also get a free gift for doing it through my website, which is a download of seven relationship based strategies to help your child thrive. So I hope you find that useful. The other thing I wanted to mention is that I’ve been doing some soul searching regarding the show. This is episode 38, which means we’ve been running for about nine months now and I really loved working on it. I completed my masters in psychology focusing on child development several months ago and it’s really not an exaggeration to say that I learn more from producing the average episode for you than I did for the average paper for my degree. I love reading and researching and synthesizing and I really get a kick out of having the show. I also love hearing from you and I’m honored that a number of you have taken the time out of your day to thank me for the work that I do and also to make suggestions for episodes which you know, I take seriously as many of the episodes I run these days are based on those suggestions, but I’m coming to a period in my life where things are about to get kind of busy.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.32">[02:23]</a></u>

I’m working on a master’s in education because when I say I love to learn, I’m really not joking and I still have a full time job and of course I’m a parent and underlying all of this is my desire to shift away from having a full time job and toward being self sufficient so I can homeschool my daughter. So I’m trying to come up with ways to keep doing the podcast, which so many of you seem to find useful and also have it continue to help support my own goals. I’m considering a number of options here. One might be to drop the episode frequency down to every other week instead of every week, and since it takes about 12 hours to research and write an average episode, that really would be quite time saver. I’ve also thought about accepting advertising, but honestly I’d really hate to do that because most of what I advocate is that you have everything you need to effectively parent your child and it would feel really disingenuous to turn around and then try and sell you stuff on the show.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.31">[03:16]</a></u>

I’m also thinking about releasing each episode for a week or so publicly and then putting them behind a pay wall for ongoing access. Perhaps this could be combined with a membership to a private Facebook group where I post information about research I find that’s relevant to child development and where we could even have conversations on topics that interest the group. The membership fee might be something like five bucks a month, which works out to about a dollar 25 an episode, which really doesn’t seem like an unreasonable investment to me as I’m thinking about it. I reached out to several listeners who have been in touch with me with some frequency – some of you have a lot of suggestions for episodes and you know you guys are pondering on your answers and I’m looking forward to seeing those. If you’re a subscriber to the show, then you’ve probably also received an email because you guys are the ones who support me by showing up here week after week and learning about parenting alongside me.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.18">[04:04]</a></u>

If you have strong thoughts about ways that I can continue to make this work, then please do drop me a line and even if you’re just a part time listener and you drop in every once in a while to see what’s going on, then welcome and please feel free to cast your vote by sending an email to jen@yourparentingmojo.com, or using the contact form on YourParentingMojo.com. If you’d like to cast your vote one way or another, then feel free to let me know or if you hate all the ideas and would stop listening if I use any of the ones I’ve mentioned, you can let me know that as well, or if you have any amazing ideas that I haven’t mentioned yet, then please let me know those too. Thank you so much for your support as I work on figuring this out. Now onto today’s episode, we’re concluding our mini mini series today on chores and on paying children to do chores, which leads us to larger conversations about money.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.33">[04:52]</a></u>

If you missed the first part of this, then you might want to go back and listen to episode 34, which was my interview with Dr Andrew Coppens, who explores the way that families in different cultures approach chores and what lessons that can hold for those of us who want to encourage our children to do their chores, and today we’re going to take that conversation to its logical conclusion by talking about money and what better guests to do that with us than Ron Lieber, whose website tells us that he is a husband, a dad, and the your money columnist for the New York Times. He’s been that your money columnist for the New York Times since 2009. But his bio actually doesn’t say how long has held the first two. How long have you been a husband and dad, Ron?

Mr. Lieber:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=330.65">[05:30]</a></u>

I’ve been a husband since 2002 and I’ve been a dad since 2005. I have an 11 year old daughter and a toddler who turned 20 months old yesterday.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=341.36">[05:41]</a></u>

Awesome. Double punishment. So Ron also wrote The Opposite of Spoiled: Raising Kids who are Grounded, Generous, and Smart About Money, which was an instant New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller when it was released in 2015. I found it to be a really practical guide to talking with your children about money from what information they should have at what age to what to do with a child who always wants you to buy them something at the store. To what to say when a child wonders why homeless people don’t have enough money. So we’re going to talk about all this and more in today’s episode. Welcome Ron and thanks for joining us.

Mr. Lieber:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=372.93">[06:12]</a></u>

Thanks for having me.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=374.31">[06:14]</a></u>

All right. So we covered some of this ground and our topic with Professor Andrew Coppens recently, but I just want to ask you the same question and just make sure that we’re kind of in alignment here. So should children be paid to do chores?

Mr. Lieber:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=388.04">[06:28]</a></u>

No. And here’s why. It creates a problematic negotiating position for the parents first and foremost, right after a couple of years have been paid for chores and having treated chores like a job, these increasingly Smart Alec children will at a certain point, come to the realization that if they have managed to save a whole bunch of money and they can then go to their parent or parents and say, you know what, I have enough now for a couple of months so I’m not going to do the chores anymore. Right? And if the point of the exercise, or at least part of the point of the exercise is to make sure that they know what it means to contribute in a significant way to an orderly functioning household, you don’t want to put yourself in a situation where you can be negotiated depth into that corner there, right? Because then if you stomped your foot and say, well, you’re going to do the chores anyway, then you’ve lost the whole connection between money and work that you were trying to create in the first place.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=450.27">[07:30]</a></u>

Okay, good. So I’m glad that there isn’t a misalignment between what we presented it in the last episode on this topic and your thinking as well. And so that sort of leads the natural question. If, if we want to start teaching about things like handling money irresponsibly, how should we deal with allowances? Is it always wrong to pay children or should we just give them money just for being our children?

Mr. Lieber:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=475.48">[07:55]</a></u>

Well, so I wouldn’t necessarily put it the way that you just put it. We’re not giving them money merely because they are our children. We’re giving them money because allowance and money is a teaching tool the same way that books are a teaching tool or, or musical instruments, right? Or art supplies, right. We would not yank those away necessarily because the chores are not being done. So if you’re not a parent that punishes their child by taking away their books when they haven’t made their bed, I would not take away the money either. And I guess this is a, you know, a difficult thing for many people to get through their heads, right? Because we all have so much emotional energy invested in money in a thousand different ways, right? But I would just encourage people to continue saying to themselves over and over again, money is a teaching tool, and if we’re not going to punish kids by taking away their books so we shouldn’t punish them by taking away their money if their chores are not completed.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=539.42">[08:59]</a></u>

Wow. I would never have thought about it… Equating money with books and using them as a teaching tool. So. So under what circumstances is it okay to pay children?

Mr. Lieber:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=551.02">[09:11]</a></u>

I think it’s okay to pay children for a one off chore like a particular really nasty one that has to be done occasionally or seasonally, but for regular things that have to be done on on a daily or weekly basis, I think you ought to do those things for free. So many parents will ask whether it is okay to pay their children for good grades, for performance in the classroom, in effect. And most of the best psychological research has been done are says that that is bad idea. It reduces what psychologists refer to as intrinsic motivation, right? The desire to do things for their own sake, for the pleasure of having learned them and done them well. But some people are willing to make exceptions for particularly difficult and rote academic tasks, right? Multiplication tables say, or I know one parent in my neighborhood here who made the mistake one might say, I’m telling his high school age daughter that for a dollar for every digit of pi, every decimal point of pi that she managed to permanently implant in her brain because she came back a couple of days later having won the pi contest at school, and memorized it to about 120 places.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=626.51">[10:26]</a></u>

Ouch! That was an expensive mistake.

Mr. Lieber:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=628.27">[10:28]</a></u>

It was an expensive mistake for Dad.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=634.031">[10:34]</a></u>

He won’t do that again. Okay. So parents, we’re saving you from that potential pitfall. Okay. So two instances then where it’s not the best approach to pay children is for on a regular basis for doing chores and also for grades. But if we want to use money as a teaching tool and we want children to learn how to manage their money, how then should we deal with allowances?

Mr. Lieber:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=656.79">[10:56]</a></u>

Well, I think you start at an earlier age than you might think is appropriate. Right? You know, we always wonder when are kids really ready to wrestle with this or people say, well, my kids don’t want anything, so why should I bother with allowance? Well, you know, the reason why to bother is that, you know, in terms of thinking about how money is or is not like books or musical instruments. I think about it this way, right? We buy our kids sports equipment or are we buy them a violin because we want them to practice. We want them to get good at these things because there’s value in learning to particular discipline. You should think about money the same way we want them to practice money and get good at it because making mistakes with money when you’re a teenager, I’m thinking about college and certainly afterwards; those mistakes can have long lasting effects, so we want them to have as much practice with that for as long as possible.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=712.59">[11:52]</a></u>

Okay, so what your question says to me then is that we should be talking with children about money maybe before they’ve actually indicated a readiness to have that conversation with us. What kind of age do children normally start getting interested in and should parents be thinking about having these conversations even earlier than that?

Mr. Lieber:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=734.04">[12:14]</a></u>

So I first started going down this road personally before I started going down at professionally when my three year old started asking all of these pressing questions about money. One of the ones that really threw me, was that she wanted to know why we didn’t have a summer house.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hTCIDDbuqOZQpr2Rz--mij0KSJVFdhPdi35rny_ctlh0ficlBJPTrXrmN0PE8cx041QG25FQTypNgPG2EWllhfB4A2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=748.801">[12:28]</a></u>

You don’t have one?

Mr. Lieber:     <u><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/money]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1554</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/66e01fff-85ad-42cf-8dd2-3cb65eff4f3b/the-opposite-of-spoiledmixdown.mp3" length="19841786" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We’re concluding our mini-mini series today on chores – and on paying children to do chores, which leads us to larger conversations about money. If you missed the first part of this then then you might want to go and listen to last week’s interview with Dr. Andrew Coppens, who explores the ways that families in different cultures approach chores and what lessons that can hold for those of us who want to encourage our children to do their chores.

Today we’re going to take that conversation to its logical conclusion by talking about money, and what better guest to do that with us than Ron Lieber,who wrote the book The Opposite of Spoiled: Raising Kids who are Grounded, Generous, and Smart About Money. It’s a really practical guide to talking with your children about money – from what information they should have at what age, to what to do with a child who always wants you to buy them something at the store, to what to say when a child wonders why homeless people don’t have enough money.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>037: Generation Me</title><itunes:title>037: Generation Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode is on a topic that I find fascinating – the cultural issues that underlie our parenting. I actually think this issue is so important that I covered it in episode 1 of the podcast, which was really the first episode after the introductory one where I gave some information on what the show was going to be about.

But recently I read a book called <a href="http://amzn.to/2FRg5mm"><em>Generation Me</em></a> (Affiliate link) by Jean Twenge, a Professor of Psychology at San Diego State University, which discusses some of the cultural contexts that have led to the generation of people born since 1970 to develop a certain set of characteristics that sometimes seem very strange to those who were born before us, and may be leading us to raise children who are just a bit <em>too</em> individualistic.

In this episode I discuss some of those characteristics and what implications they have for the way we parent our own children, and offer some thoughts on how we can shift that our approach if we decide we want to.

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<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/ep-001-the-influence-of-culture-on-parenting/">001: The influence of culture on parenting</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Abeles, V., &amp; Rubenstein, G. (2015). Beyond measure: Rescuing an overscheduled, overtested, underestimated generation. New York: Simon &amp; Schuster.

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Associated Press (2005, July 22<sup>nd</sup>). White House footwear fans flip-flop kerfuffle. US News on NBCNews.com. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8670164/ns/us_news/t/white-house-footwear-fans-flip-flop-kerfuffle/#.WO_bH_nyvIU">http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8670164/ns/us_news/t/white-house-footwear-fans-flip-flop-kerfuffle/#.WO_bH_nyvIU</a>

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Gardner, H. (1991). The unschooled mind: How children think and how schools should teach. New York: Basic Books.

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Lansbury, J. (2012, May 3). Setting limits with toddlers: The choices they can’t make. Retrieved from: http://www.janetlansbury.com/2012/05/setting-limits-with-toddlers-the-choices-they-cant-make/

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McCabe, D.L., Trevino, L.K., &amp; Butterfield, K.D. (2012). Cheating in college: Why students do it and what educators can do about it. Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press.

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Remley, A. (1998, October). From obedience to independence. <em>Psychology Today</em>, 56-59.

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Thomas, E. (1997). Social Insecurity. Newsweek. Retrieved from: http://www.newsweek.com/social-insecurity-171878

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Trinkaus, J. (1988). Compliance with a school zone speed limit: Another look. <em>Perceptual and motor skills 87</em>, 673-674.

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Trinkaus, J. (1997). Stop sign compliance: A final look. <em>Perceptual and Motor Skills 85</em>, 217-218.

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Trinkaus, J. (2006). Honesty when lighting votive candles in church: Another look. <em>Psychological Reports 99</em>, 494-495.

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Twenge, J. (2014). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FRg5mm">Generation Me: While today’s young Americans are more confident, assertive, and entitled – and more miserable than ever before.</a> New York, NY: Atria. (Affiliate link)

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have an episode coming up today on a topic that I find fascinating – the cultural issues that underlie our parenting.  I actually think this issue is so important that I covered it in episode 2 of the podcast, which was really the first episode after the introductory one where I gave some information on what the show was going to be about.  But recently I read a book called Generation Me by Jean Twenge, a Professor of Psychology at San Diego State University, which discusses some of the cultural contexts that have led to the generation of people born since 1970 to develop a certain set of characteristics that sometimes seem very strange to those who were born before us.  Today I want to discuss some of those characteristics and what implications they have for the way we parent our own children.

I should be clear that as Dr. Twenge defines it I am a member of Generation Me – she says Generation Me starts in 1970 and I was born in 1979.  I do think that some of the characteristics she defines as being integral to Generation Me apply to me, but I also think that these have become stronger over time and so are more pronounced in people who are younger than me.  I should also remind you (in case it isn’t obvious from my rather strange accent) that I was raised in England and not the U.S..  I think that the Generation Me characteristics apply to some extent to people who weren’t raised in the U.S. but they are based on surveys of Americans so Americans are definitely at the core of the Generation Me characteristics.  Dr. Twenge doesn’t discuss non-American countries but we can probably assume that English-speaking, Westernized countries exhibit these characteristics to a slightly lesser degree, with “non-Westernized” cultures perhaps looking a bit different, depending on the extent to which American culture has permeated them.

I also want to use this episode to poke a little bit at some of the decisions I’ve made as a parent, and think through whether the ways in which I parent are in line with the goals I have for parenting, because reading the book made me realize that I need to be a little more conscious in this regard.

So what really characterizes Generation Me?

Firstly, members of Generation Me feel as though they don’t need anyone else’s approval.  People used to wear uncomfortable suits to many workplaces simply because it was expected – and because a person aimed to ‘fit in’ with the expected social norms.  People dress up to make a good impression on others and to seek approval, but members of Generation Me don’t feel required to seek anyone’s approval – about half of the members of the Northwestern University women’s lacrosse team wore flip flops with their quote demure skirts and dresses for their 2005 meeting with President George W. Bush at the White House.  One of the student’s mothers, though, was quoted by the Associated Press as saying “Don’t even ask me about the flip-flops – it mortified me” – a clear example of the difference in standards across generations.

Adults who wanted to get divorced 50 years ago would have worried about what others would think of their decision and they would have been ostracized, and in some cultures today that is still the case – but today a couple will divorce if they think it’s the right thing to do – and it’s not that they do this in the face of society’s disapproval; it’s that society in general doesn’t really have an opinion on the issue.

One aspect of this lack of concern for societal approval that concerns me is the lack of manners I notice in children and young people, and I know I sound like an old fuddy duddy when I say this, but it really does get to me.  And I’m not just talking about saying “please” when you ask someone to do something or “thank you” when someone holds the door open for you, but a general concern for other people’s comfort and even safety.  Perhaps this is most obvious when we’re driving; it isn’t just in New York any more that the person behind you will honk if you wait more than a second after a red light changes to green, and speeding up the inside lane and then cutting off someone passing a truck is now commonplace on the freeways where I live.

One researcher by the name of John Trinkaus found that 92% of cars observed going through a school zone in 1998 were speeding, with the highest percentage speeding in the morning when children were likely to be walking to school than in the evening, when they had probably gone home for the day.  89% of drivers sped through the same school zone when it was surveyed three years earlier, so I wonder if that number is now up to 100% given that two decades have passed since it rose to 92%.  The same researcher found that in 1979, 37% of cars made a full stop and 34% made a rolling stop at a certain stop sign in a suburb in a New York suburb, but by 1996 only 1% of cars came to a full stop, 2% made a rolling stop, and the other 97% didn’t stop at all.  Now when I first read these statistics in Dr. Twenge’s book I felt kind of indignant and that not stopping at an intersection was pretty irresponsible.  But when I went and found the paper for myself I saw that the stop signs had been put up to discourage the flow of through traffic on local streets the one that was surveyed wasn’t at an intersection at all (and Dr. Twenge never tells us it is, but she doesn’t tell us it isn’t either) – so they’re the kind where if you look all around but don’t stop, the chances of getting into an accident are essentially nil.  And then I realized that those are exactly the kinds of stop signs I routinely roll through myself after first slowing down and making sure I’m not going to hit anyone or anything.

We cheat more often now as well, even when you might least expect it – in 1998, about 90% of church-goers who lit a votive candle paid for it; by 2005, only 26% paid, so 74% of people <em>who are</em> <em>religious </em>feel it’s fine to cheat the church!  Cheating is also on the rise in high schools and colleges, and students in the late 1990s just seemed resigned to it when they were surveyed; three times as many high school students in 1969 said they would report someone they saw cheating compared to 1989. This was somewhat recent data when Dr. Twenge’s book was written in...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode is on a topic that I find fascinating – the cultural issues that underlie our parenting. I actually think this issue is so important that I covered it in episode 1 of the podcast, which was really the first episode after the introductory one where I gave some information on what the show was going to be about.

But recently I read a book called <a href="http://amzn.to/2FRg5mm"><em>Generation Me</em></a> (Affiliate link) by Jean Twenge, a Professor of Psychology at San Diego State University, which discusses some of the cultural contexts that have led to the generation of people born since 1970 to develop a certain set of characteristics that sometimes seem very strange to those who were born before us, and may be leading us to raise children who are just a bit <em>too</em> individualistic.

In this episode I discuss some of those characteristics and what implications they have for the way we parent our own children, and offer some thoughts on how we can shift that our approach if we decide we want to.

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<strong>Other episodes referenced in this show:</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/ep-001-the-influence-of-culture-on-parenting/">001: The influence of culture on parenting</a>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Abeles, V., &amp; Rubenstein, G. (2015). Beyond measure: Rescuing an overscheduled, overtested, underestimated generation. New York: Simon &amp; Schuster.

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Associated Press (2005, July 22<sup>nd</sup>). White House footwear fans flip-flop kerfuffle. US News on NBCNews.com. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8670164/ns/us_news/t/white-house-footwear-fans-flip-flop-kerfuffle/#.WO_bH_nyvIU">http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8670164/ns/us_news/t/white-house-footwear-fans-flip-flop-kerfuffle/#.WO_bH_nyvIU</a>

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Gardner, H. (1991). The unschooled mind: How children think and how schools should teach. New York: Basic Books.

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Lansbury, J. (2012, May 3). Setting limits with toddlers: The choices they can’t make. Retrieved from: http://www.janetlansbury.com/2012/05/setting-limits-with-toddlers-the-choices-they-cant-make/

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McCabe, D.L., Trevino, L.K., &amp; Butterfield, K.D. (2012). Cheating in college: Why students do it and what educators can do about it. Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press.

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Remley, A. (1998, October). From obedience to independence. <em>Psychology Today</em>, 56-59.

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Thomas, E. (1997). Social Insecurity. Newsweek. Retrieved from: http://www.newsweek.com/social-insecurity-171878

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Trinkaus, J. (1988). Compliance with a school zone speed limit: Another look. <em>Perceptual and motor skills 87</em>, 673-674.

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Trinkaus, J. (1997). Stop sign compliance: A final look. <em>Perceptual and Motor Skills 85</em>, 217-218.

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Trinkaus, J. (2006). Honesty when lighting votive candles in church: Another look. <em>Psychological Reports 99</em>, 494-495.

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Twenge, J. (2014). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FRg5mm">Generation Me: While today’s young Americans are more confident, assertive, and entitled – and more miserable than ever before.</a> New York, NY: Atria. (Affiliate link)

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have an episode coming up today on a topic that I find fascinating – the cultural issues that underlie our parenting.  I actually think this issue is so important that I covered it in episode 2 of the podcast, which was really the first episode after the introductory one where I gave some information on what the show was going to be about.  But recently I read a book called Generation Me by Jean Twenge, a Professor of Psychology at San Diego State University, which discusses some of the cultural contexts that have led to the generation of people born since 1970 to develop a certain set of characteristics that sometimes seem very strange to those who were born before us.  Today I want to discuss some of those characteristics and what implications they have for the way we parent our own children.

I should be clear that as Dr. Twenge defines it I am a member of Generation Me – she says Generation Me starts in 1970 and I was born in 1979.  I do think that some of the characteristics she defines as being integral to Generation Me apply to me, but I also think that these have become stronger over time and so are more pronounced in people who are younger than me.  I should also remind you (in case it isn’t obvious from my rather strange accent) that I was raised in England and not the U.S..  I think that the Generation Me characteristics apply to some extent to people who weren’t raised in the U.S. but they are based on surveys of Americans so Americans are definitely at the core of the Generation Me characteristics.  Dr. Twenge doesn’t discuss non-American countries but we can probably assume that English-speaking, Westernized countries exhibit these characteristics to a slightly lesser degree, with “non-Westernized” cultures perhaps looking a bit different, depending on the extent to which American culture has permeated them.

I also want to use this episode to poke a little bit at some of the decisions I’ve made as a parent, and think through whether the ways in which I parent are in line with the goals I have for parenting, because reading the book made me realize that I need to be a little more conscious in this regard.

So what really characterizes Generation Me?

Firstly, members of Generation Me feel as though they don’t need anyone else’s approval.  People used to wear uncomfortable suits to many workplaces simply because it was expected – and because a person aimed to ‘fit in’ with the expected social norms.  People dress up to make a good impression on others and to seek approval, but members of Generation Me don’t feel required to seek anyone’s approval – about half of the members of the Northwestern University women’s lacrosse team wore flip flops with their quote demure skirts and dresses for their 2005 meeting with President George W. Bush at the White House.  One of the student’s mothers, though, was quoted by the Associated Press as saying “Don’t even ask me about the flip-flops – it mortified me” – a clear example of the difference in standards across generations.

Adults who wanted to get divorced 50 years ago would have worried about what others would think of their decision and they would have been ostracized, and in some cultures today that is still the case – but today a couple will divorce if they think it’s the right thing to do – and it’s not that they do this in the face of society’s disapproval; it’s that society in general doesn’t really have an opinion on the issue.

One aspect of this lack of concern for societal approval that concerns me is the lack of manners I notice in children and young people, and I know I sound like an old fuddy duddy when I say this, but it really does get to me.  And I’m not just talking about saying “please” when you ask someone to do something or “thank you” when someone holds the door open for you, but a general concern for other people’s comfort and even safety.  Perhaps this is most obvious when we’re driving; it isn’t just in New York any more that the person behind you will honk if you wait more than a second after a red light changes to green, and speeding up the inside lane and then cutting off someone passing a truck is now commonplace on the freeways where I live.

One researcher by the name of John Trinkaus found that 92% of cars observed going through a school zone in 1998 were speeding, with the highest percentage speeding in the morning when children were likely to be walking to school than in the evening, when they had probably gone home for the day.  89% of drivers sped through the same school zone when it was surveyed three years earlier, so I wonder if that number is now up to 100% given that two decades have passed since it rose to 92%.  The same researcher found that in 1979, 37% of cars made a full stop and 34% made a rolling stop at a certain stop sign in a suburb in a New York suburb, but by 1996 only 1% of cars came to a full stop, 2% made a rolling stop, and the other 97% didn’t stop at all.  Now when I first read these statistics in Dr. Twenge’s book I felt kind of indignant and that not stopping at an intersection was pretty irresponsible.  But when I went and found the paper for myself I saw that the stop signs had been put up to discourage the flow of through traffic on local streets the one that was surveyed wasn’t at an intersection at all (and Dr. Twenge never tells us it is, but she doesn’t tell us it isn’t either) – so they’re the kind where if you look all around but don’t stop, the chances of getting into an accident are essentially nil.  And then I realized that those are exactly the kinds of stop signs I routinely roll through myself after first slowing down and making sure I’m not going to hit anyone or anything.

We cheat more often now as well, even when you might least expect it – in 1998, about 90% of church-goers who lit a votive candle paid for it; by 2005, only 26% paid, so 74% of people <em>who are</em> <em>religious </em>feel it’s fine to cheat the church!  Cheating is also on the rise in high schools and colleges, and students in the late 1990s just seemed resigned to it when they were surveyed; three times as many high school students in 1969 said they would report someone they saw cheating compared to 1989. This was somewhat recent data when Dr. Twenge’s book was written in 2006 and data published since then indicates that the rate of cheating may have fallen more recently, although that’s probably due to an increase in the use of tools to detect cheating rather than a change in the overall view of whether cheating is right or wrong.  And it’s not like people stop cheating as soon as they get out of college; Dr. Twenge cites the Enron scandal as a prime example of people going to work for a corporation that cheated other people, but even more recent is the effort of staff at Wells Fargo bank to boost their sales numbers by opening accounts in people’s names that they didn’t ask for.  Some people at Wells Fargo knew it was wrong and spoke up or tried to speak up, but plenty of others went along with it or encouraged it, apparently including the CEO.  And even where no legal wrongdoing occurs, corporations now essentially seem to see employees as a disposable resource rather than as a person worthy of respect.  I’m always shocked when I hear examples of companies treating employees like crap because, really, companies are made up of employees – none of whom likes to be treated like crap, and yet different standards seem to apply as long as it isn’t *us* that is getting treated like crap.  And I don’t fully excuse myself here – my day job is to work for a large consulting company trying to reduce our client’s environmental impacts, but there are branches of my company that outsource American’s jobs to India and make the American employees train the new Indian ones as a condition of getting severance pay.  I find the indignity of that absolutely astounding, and yet I still work for the company because it helps to pay my mortgage and take care of my family and I believe I do good work myself.

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And it’s not just large-scale cheating that’s on the rise, it’s the little everyday things that niggle me – when you travel reasonably often for work it doesn’t take long to see this in action.  People cut in front of you in line to get onto a plane earlier when the plane won’t leave until everyone is on it.  And in the crush to get off the plane at the other end people will squeeze by someone struggling to get a bag out of the overhead bin in the rush to get off ten seconds earlier instead of helping the person to get the bag down.  People wander, shouting, down hotel hallways in the middle of the night and slam doors as if nobody else on the floor was sleeping.

I’ve actually been thinking about this issue for a while now, and wondering what kind of decisions we make as parents lead children to grow up with this sense of their own importance.  As I searched around for answers I would keep coming back to Japan, because I have the impression that Japan has a very much more interdependent culture than the U.S. at the moment, where people do still have manners and more value is placed on the ability of a society to succeed than of any one individual to succeed more than everyone else.  When I met a Japanese parent at a gathering recently she said that my impression was pretty accurate, but that Japanese society achieves this interdependence by not allowing anyone to stick out and be different, and that if anyone does stick out they are hammered down until they don’t stick out any more.  And as I was reading Generation: Me, I also realized that it’s not just Japan who has this interdependent society – the U.S. had it as well until about the 1950s, when things started to shift, although perhaps to a slightly lesser extent than Japan had it as succeeding on one’s own does seem to have been a valued trait here since the Protestants came over from jolly old England, at least.

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Second on Dr. Twenge’s list of things contributing to the characteristics of Generation: Me is that children today are told they can do their own thing, whatever that thing is, and not care what everyone else does.  In a psychology experiment that was first conducted in 1951, a psychologist called Solomon Asch asked seven people sitting in a room to identify which of three lines of different lengths drawn on a chalk board are the same length as a fourth line.  One of the first three possibilities is the same length as the fourth line; the other two are clearly not the same.  The six people who go first are called confederates, which means they’re in on the experiment, and they all say the much longer line is the same length as that fourth line.  What would you do if you were the seventh person to answer the question?  In 1951, 74% of people sitting in that seventh seat would go along with the group and say that the long line is the same length as the fourth line on at least one trial, and 28% of people would go along with the group on the majority of trials – the researchers explained that the social nature of humans and our need to conform overrode our need to be individual, or even just to be <em>right</em>.  When researchers replicated the experiment in 1980, the results were completely different, and far fewer people were willing to conform to what the group thought.  Solomon Asch, who designed the experiment, thought that the willingness to go along with others was an immutable indicator of our nature as a social species, but it turned out that the need to go along with what other people thought was a child of its time – and today’s children have been taught that they don’t need to do this.

And the third important characteristic of Generation Me-ers is that children today are told they can be anything they want to be.  American children today are taught from birth that being different is good – that the obedience, loyalty to church, and good manners that were so important back in the 1920s are now essentially irrelevant, replaced by a much higher value placed on independence and being open-minded.  This individuality is celebrated from before they are even born, as we decorate expensive nurseries with decorations that spell out the child’s name in 12-inch tall letters.  Dr. Twenge cites a passage in the book Culture Shock USA, which is a non-satirical guidebook to American culture for foreigners, and I did look it up to check because I’ve seen satirical guidebooks to American culture before that are pretty funny.  So the non-satirical guide says “Often one sees an American engaged in a dialogue with a tiny child.  “Do you want to go home now?” says the parent. “No,” says an obviously tired, crying child. And so parent and child continue to sit discontentedly in a chilly park. “What is the matter with these people?” says the foreigner to himself, who can see the child is too young to make such decisions.” It’s just part of American culture, the book says: “The child is acquiring both a sense of responsibility for himself and a sense of his own importance.”  Dr. Twenge goes on to point out that we ask one-year-olds if they want milk or apple juice, and that as they get older we let them pick their clothes out in the morning and if the kid ends up wearing red polka dots with green and blue stripes then it’s OK because they are “expressing themselves” and learning to make their own choices.

Now I have to say that this one hit home for me more than many of the observations in the book, because giving choices is something we have done from a very young age.  In fact, an article by Janet Lansbury – who is probably the most well-known advocate of the respectful approach to parenting that we practice has a blog post on setting limits for children which opens “Children need lots of opportunities to be autonomous and to have their choices respected.”  Now respect for my daughter is one of the founding principles of my parenting, and I’m not saying I’m going to give it up anytime soon.  But it’s not the first time that I’ve noticed that this respectful approach to parenting is very much rooted in the child’s <em>individual</em> growth and development and their rights as people.  And strangely enough, it isn’t even a modern American idea – it was brought to the U.S. by a Hungarian immigrant, Magda Gerber, who learned about it from the Hungarian pediatrician Emmi Pikler in the 1940s.

Professor Duane Alwin at the University of Michigan believes there are a couple of key reasons for this shift toward greater individualism, including that parents see how complex the world is today and want their children to not just survive, but to succeed in it.  Every day we’re told in the newspapers of more jobs being outsourced, and the jobs that stay are the ones that require that a person can think for themselves.  Secondly, more parents today have a higher education, which – nominally, at least – encourages you to think for yourself so you go on to see that as a valued trait in your child.  A Psychology Today article that summarizes Dr. Alwin’s work describes a mother from Michigan who says “I’ve treated Alexis as if she had a mind of her own ever since she was a baby.  When she was six months old and sitting in her crib, I used to ask her what she wanted to do next, what she wanted to eat or to wear.  But now that she’s four, sometimes I really want her to mind me.  The other day I told her, “Alexis, you’re going to do this right now because I say so!” She looked up at me astounded – as if to say “What’s going on here?  You’re changing the rules on me!”.  Dr. Alwin himself said “For years, my wife and I have urged our kids to think for themselves.  Now, when we want them to do something, we have to appeal to their self-interest, their sense of fairness and logic.  I probably use the word “obey” once every six months.  But sometimes it’s frustrating when you want them to go along with you.”

I already argued in episode 20 of the podcast, called “How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?” (which, I should note, I titled a bit facetiously), I don’t believe it’s possible to have a child who can both think for themselves AND who will be obedient 100% of the time.  But what I want to know is whether it is...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/generationme]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1548</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/03855e75-41a5-4771-8a34-eceb9b2eb595/generation-memixdown.mp3" length="17799906" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This episode is on a topic that I find fascinating – the cultural issues that underlie our parenting. I actually think this issue is so important that I covered it in episode 1 of the podcast, which was really the first episode after the introductory one where I gave some information on what the show was going to be about.

But recently I read a book called Generation Me by Jean Twenge, a Professor of Psychology at San Diego State University, which discusses some of the cultural contexts that have led to the generation of people born since 1970 to develop a certain set of characteristics that sometimes seem very strange to those who were born before us, and may be leading us to raise children who are just a bit too individualistic.

In this episode I discuss some of those characteristics and what implications they have for the way we parent our own children, and offer some thoughts on how we can shift that our approach if we decide we want to.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>036: The impact of divorce on a child’s development (Part 1)</title><itunes:title>036: The impact of divorce on a child’s development (Part 1)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">This is the second of a short series of episodes on issues related to divorce.  The first was our “All Joy and No Fun” episode, where we talked about how parenting today can be the most joyful thing in our lives – even if it isn’t always a whole lot of fun from moment to moment.</span>

The series was inspired by a <span style="font-weight: 400">listener who sent me an email saying: “I was divorced when my husband was 2 ½ years old.  He is now 5 years old and has a very hard time expressing his feelings.  I have an intuitive “gut” feeling that it has to do with the fact that he went from being with me every day (I was a stay at home mom) to suddenly spending 7-10 days away from me and with his father, and also away from me as I set up a career.  Do you know of any research on this?”  </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Well, I didn’t, but when I started looking around I realized there’s actually so much of it that it makes sense to break it down into two episodes which is what we’re going to do.  So today’s episode focuses very much on the factors leading to divorce and the impact of divorce itself on children, and the final episode in the series will look at how what happens after divorce – things like single parenting, ongoing contact with both parents, ongoing arguments between parents, and remarriages and stepparents impact children.  </span>

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Other podcast episodes mentioned in this show: <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do.</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Amato, P.R. (1999). Children of divorced parents as young adults. In E.M. Hetherington (Ed.)., Coping with divorce, single parenting, and remarriage: A risk and resiliency perspective (p.147-163). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Brody, G.H., &amp; Forehand, R. (1988). Multiple determinants of parenting: Research findings and implications for the divorce process.  In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.). Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Deater-Deckard, K., &amp; Dunn, J. (1999). Multiple risks and adjustment in young children growing up in different family settings: A British community study of stepparent, single mother, and nondivorced families. In E.M. Hetherington (Ed.)., Coping with divorce, single parenting, and remarriage: A risk and resiliency perspective (p.47-64). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Emery, R.E. (1988). Mediation and the settlement of divorce disputes. In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.). Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Forehand, R., Long, N., &amp; Brody, G. (1988). Divorce and marital conflict: Relationship to adolescent competence and adjustment in early adolescence. In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.). Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Hetherington, E.M. (1989). Coping with family transitions: Winners, losers, and survivors. Child Development 60(1), 1-14.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Hetherington, E.M. (1999). Should we stay together for the sake of the children? In E.M. Hetherington (Ed.)., Coping with divorce, single parenting, and remarriage: A risk and resiliency perspective (p.93-116). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Grall, T.S. (2009). Custodial mothers and fathers and their child support: 2007. U.S. Census Bureau. Retrieved from: https://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-237.pdf</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Miller, C.C. (2014, December 2). The divorce surge is over, but the myth lives on. The New York Times. Retrieved from: </span><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html?_r=0"><span style="font-weight: 400">https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html?_r=0</span></a>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Twaite, J.A., Silitsky, D., &amp; Luchow, A.K. (1988). Children of divorce: Adjustment, parental conflict, custody, remarriage, and recommendations for clinicians. Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Wolfinger, N.H. (2005). Understanding the divorce cycle: The children of divorce in their own marriages. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.</span>

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Today’s episode is another that comes to us via a question from a listener, and it’s the second in our three-part series on how the adult relationships in a family affect the child.  We kicked off a couple of weeks back with an episode called All Joy and No Fun, which is about the book of the same name and discusses how parenting today can seem very joyful when you look at it as a whole thing, but if you ask yourself during an average moment with your toddler or preschooler whether you’re having fun, I think many parents might say ‘no.’  And I don’t mean to suggest that having all joy and no fun is a leading cause of divorce but it could certainly be a contributing factor, and that’s our topic for today.  The listener who sent me an email said “I was divorced when my husband was 2 ½ years old.  He is now 5 years old and has a very hard time expressing his feelings.  I have an intuitive “gut” feeling that it has to do with the fact that he went from being with me every day (I was a stay at home mom) to suddenly spending 7-10 days away from me and with his father, and also away from me as I set up a career.  Do you know of any research on this?”  Well, I didn’t, but when I started looking around I realized there’s actually so much of it that it makes sense to break it down into two episodes which is what we’re going to do.  So today’s episode focuses very much on the factors leading to divorce and the impact of divorce itself on children, and the final episode in the series will look at how what happens after divorce – things like single parenting, ongoing contact with both parents, ongoing arguments between parents, and remarriages and stepparents impact children.

I also want to say before we get going that I have no position on whether or not you should get divorced if you haven’t already done it, or whether your divorce was a good thing or not (if you have); I’m not arguing for divorce to be outlawed in the interests of our children or that we should all try it once just to see what it’s like.  I have nothing against divorce – I’ve done it myself, although not with children involved – but I’m also not going to try to persuade you to stay in a marriage.  My goal here is simply to help you to understand the impacts of divorce on a child’s development so you can better support that child through the changes that might one day happen or have already happened in your family.

Throughout this episode we’re going to examine a number of factors at play when we talk about divorce and the impact that these have on a child’s development, but the one idea I want to leave you with (and so I’m going to tell you about it now so you can keep it in mind as you’re listening) is that the research paints a picture of a series of risk factors that exist in the child, the family, and the larger society that make a particular child more or less vulnerable to the kinds of disruption that occur through divorce.  These risk factors interact in ways that aren’t always expected; we might see some children with a lot of risk factors who sail through a divorce and adjust relatively well afterward.  And there are others whom we might expect to do fairly well who fall apart after a divorce and have a hard time recovering.  But the one that seems to be more important than all the others is the quality of the parent’s – and particularly the custodial parent’s relationship with the child, and whether that is warm and loving while setting and maintaining appropriate limits.

So let’s dive in.  California enacted the first modern no-fault divorce law in 1970 which, for those who don’t live in the U.S. is the idea that you can get divorce just because you want to, without having to prove that one party was at fault – by committing adultery or abuse or something like that.  Popular wisdom says that the divorce rate has skyrocketed since then, although actually it has slowed down over the last twenty years.  There’s a nice graphic on it in a New York Times article that I’ll link to in the references which shows that about 70% of marriages that began in the 1990s reached their 15<sup>th</sup> anniversary (excluding those in which a spouse died), up from about 65% of those that began in the 1970s and 1980s, and those who married in the 2000s are so far divorcing at even lower rates.  The Times cites later marriages, birth control, and the rise of so-called “love marriages” as some important factors in the drop in the divorce rate.  In some states (including Louisiana, Arizona, and Arkansas) couples can *choose* to have a “covenant marriage,” which can only be divorced under fault-based circumstances, although only about 2% of couples in Louisiana opt for it.  Nevertheless, politicians and family activists continue to advocate for the modification or repeal of no-fault...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: 400">This is the second of a short series of episodes on issues related to divorce.  The first was our “All Joy and No Fun” episode, where we talked about how parenting today can be the most joyful thing in our lives – even if it isn’t always a whole lot of fun from moment to moment.</span>

The series was inspired by a <span style="font-weight: 400">listener who sent me an email saying: “I was divorced when my husband was 2 ½ years old.  He is now 5 years old and has a very hard time expressing his feelings.  I have an intuitive “gut” feeling that it has to do with the fact that he went from being with me every day (I was a stay at home mom) to suddenly spending 7-10 days away from me and with his father, and also away from me as I set up a career.  Do you know of any research on this?”  </span>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Well, I didn’t, but when I started looking around I realized there’s actually so much of it that it makes sense to break it down into two episodes which is what we’re going to do.  So today’s episode focuses very much on the factors leading to divorce and the impact of divorce itself on children, and the final episode in the series will look at how what happens after divorce – things like single parenting, ongoing contact with both parents, ongoing arguments between parents, and remarriages and stepparents impact children.  </span>

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Other podcast episodes mentioned in this show: <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance/">020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do.</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

<span style="font-weight: 400">Amato, P.R. (1999). Children of divorced parents as young adults. In E.M. Hetherington (Ed.)., Coping with divorce, single parenting, and remarriage: A risk and resiliency perspective (p.147-163). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Brody, G.H., &amp; Forehand, R. (1988). Multiple determinants of parenting: Research findings and implications for the divorce process.  In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.). Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Deater-Deckard, K., &amp; Dunn, J. (1999). Multiple risks and adjustment in young children growing up in different family settings: A British community study of stepparent, single mother, and nondivorced families. In E.M. Hetherington (Ed.)., Coping with divorce, single parenting, and remarriage: A risk and resiliency perspective (p.47-64). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Emery, R.E. (1988). Mediation and the settlement of divorce disputes. In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.). Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Forehand, R., Long, N., &amp; Brody, G. (1988). Divorce and marital conflict: Relationship to adolescent competence and adjustment in early adolescence. In E.M. Hetherington &amp; J.D. Arasteh (Eds.). Impact of divorce, single parenting, and stepparenting on children. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Hetherington, E.M. (1989). Coping with family transitions: Winners, losers, and survivors. Child Development 60(1), 1-14.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Hetherington, E.M. (1999). Should we stay together for the sake of the children? In E.M. Hetherington (Ed.)., Coping with divorce, single parenting, and remarriage: A risk and resiliency perspective (p.93-116). Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Grall, T.S. (2009). Custodial mothers and fathers and their child support: 2007. U.S. Census Bureau. Retrieved from: https://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-237.pdf</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Miller, C.C. (2014, December 2). The divorce surge is over, but the myth lives on. The New York Times. Retrieved from: </span><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html?_r=0"><span style="font-weight: 400">https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html?_r=0</span></a>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Twaite, J.A., Silitsky, D., &amp; Luchow, A.K. (1988). Children of divorce: Adjustment, parental conflict, custody, remarriage, and recommendations for clinicians. Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: 400">Wolfinger, N.H. (2005). Understanding the divorce cycle: The children of divorce in their own marriages. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge University Press.</span>

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Today’s episode is another that comes to us via a question from a listener, and it’s the second in our three-part series on how the adult relationships in a family affect the child.  We kicked off a couple of weeks back with an episode called All Joy and No Fun, which is about the book of the same name and discusses how parenting today can seem very joyful when you look at it as a whole thing, but if you ask yourself during an average moment with your toddler or preschooler whether you’re having fun, I think many parents might say ‘no.’  And I don’t mean to suggest that having all joy and no fun is a leading cause of divorce but it could certainly be a contributing factor, and that’s our topic for today.  The listener who sent me an email said “I was divorced when my husband was 2 ½ years old.  He is now 5 years old and has a very hard time expressing his feelings.  I have an intuitive “gut” feeling that it has to do with the fact that he went from being with me every day (I was a stay at home mom) to suddenly spending 7-10 days away from me and with his father, and also away from me as I set up a career.  Do you know of any research on this?”  Well, I didn’t, but when I started looking around I realized there’s actually so much of it that it makes sense to break it down into two episodes which is what we’re going to do.  So today’s episode focuses very much on the factors leading to divorce and the impact of divorce itself on children, and the final episode in the series will look at how what happens after divorce – things like single parenting, ongoing contact with both parents, ongoing arguments between parents, and remarriages and stepparents impact children.

I also want to say before we get going that I have no position on whether or not you should get divorced if you haven’t already done it, or whether your divorce was a good thing or not (if you have); I’m not arguing for divorce to be outlawed in the interests of our children or that we should all try it once just to see what it’s like.  I have nothing against divorce – I’ve done it myself, although not with children involved – but I’m also not going to try to persuade you to stay in a marriage.  My goal here is simply to help you to understand the impacts of divorce on a child’s development so you can better support that child through the changes that might one day happen or have already happened in your family.

Throughout this episode we’re going to examine a number of factors at play when we talk about divorce and the impact that these have on a child’s development, but the one idea I want to leave you with (and so I’m going to tell you about it now so you can keep it in mind as you’re listening) is that the research paints a picture of a series of risk factors that exist in the child, the family, and the larger society that make a particular child more or less vulnerable to the kinds of disruption that occur through divorce.  These risk factors interact in ways that aren’t always expected; we might see some children with a lot of risk factors who sail through a divorce and adjust relatively well afterward.  And there are others whom we might expect to do fairly well who fall apart after a divorce and have a hard time recovering.  But the one that seems to be more important than all the others is the quality of the parent’s – and particularly the custodial parent’s relationship with the child, and whether that is warm and loving while setting and maintaining appropriate limits.

So let’s dive in.  California enacted the first modern no-fault divorce law in 1970 which, for those who don’t live in the U.S. is the idea that you can get divorce just because you want to, without having to prove that one party was at fault – by committing adultery or abuse or something like that.  Popular wisdom says that the divorce rate has skyrocketed since then, although actually it has slowed down over the last twenty years.  There’s a nice graphic on it in a New York Times article that I’ll link to in the references which shows that about 70% of marriages that began in the 1990s reached their 15<sup>th</sup> anniversary (excluding those in which a spouse died), up from about 65% of those that began in the 1970s and 1980s, and those who married in the 2000s are so far divorcing at even lower rates.  The Times cites later marriages, birth control, and the rise of so-called “love marriages” as some important factors in the drop in the divorce rate.  In some states (including Louisiana, Arizona, and Arkansas) couples can *choose* to have a “covenant marriage,” which can only be divorced under fault-based circumstances, although only about 2% of couples in Louisiana opt for it.  Nevertheless, politicians and family activists continue to advocate for the modification or repeal of no-fault laws, and the rhetoric around this tends to focus on how divorce affects children, although it tends to take a simplistic view along the lines of “divorce leads to single parenting, and single parenting leads to an increased juvenile crime rate and costs taxpayers a lot of money in the form of welfare subsidies. The breakdown of the family is a result of no-fault divorce laws, which must be repealed.”  We’re going to take a bit more of a nuanced view today and examine what really are the impacts of divorce on a child’s development, as best as science can help us to understand them at the moment.  What is fairly well understood is that the children of divorced parents have, on average, more behavioral and emotional problems than children in intact families – but the reasons for this are quite complicated.

The first thing we’re going to look at is the idea that divorce is not a single event in time, with the child being fine before and falling apart afterward; people tend to divorce because of longstanding problems that may have been simmering (or boiling) for months or years; there may have been one or more separations within the marriage, and even after the legal divorce has occurred there are still ongoing negotiations and transitions.  It is also possible that “difficult” children can put stress on a marriage and may contribute to parental conflict that eventually precipitates parental separation, but it’s very hard for researchers to untangle these factors and say how much of the negative behavior they see in the child after the divorce might have been caused by the divorce itself, and how much preceded it.

Many researchers believe that the interparental conflict that precedes the divorce (and, in many cases, follows it as well) is a very important variable related to the child’s adjustment to the divorce – in fact, it might be a more important factor than the divorce itself in regard to child behavior problems, particularly aggression.  Some studies suggest that the frequent expression of parental conflict appears to be more strongly associated with childhood aggression than the absence of the father.  This becomes especially problematic when the divorce itself becomes a drawn-out conflictual process, particularly where one parent doesn’t want to disengage from the relationship and sees an ongoing conflictual relationship with the spouse as preferable to a complete disengagement.   What looks on the surface looks like a custody dispute may actually represent the efforts of one or both of the spouses and remorse about the dissolution of the marriage, and the custody dispute becomes the vehicle that one partner uses to serve as an avenue that one partner uses to remain in contact with the other.  The extent to which one member of the couple is unable to disengage from the relationship is associated with increased problems in their post-divorce adjustment, particularly depression.

Contrary to popular belief, parental conflict doesn’t always decrease following divorce and may actually increase.  One study found that 66% of the exchanges between ex-spouses two months after a divorce were conflictual, mostly related to finances, visitation, childrearing, and intimate relations with others.  But many couples do manage to have a nonconflictual relationship after the divorce and several studies have found that children from relationships where conflict is avoided or at least quickly resolved have fewer problems than children from high-conflict divorced families.  Other studies have found that it isn’t necessarily the presence or absence of conflict per se that it’s important, it’s whether or not that conflict occurs in the presence of the child that is associated with the most detrimental effects on children.  So the take-home message here is fairly simple – try to avoid or quickly resolve conflicts with your spouse, and at the very least, don’t fight in front of your child.

The second major factor is the adverse impact that divorce tends to have on family finances, and particularly those of the mother.  The U.S. Census bureau actually puts out some nice statistics on this issue, although unfortunately the most recent ones available are from 2007, and were published in 2009.  83% of mothers receive custody of their children in divorces, proportions that were statistically unchanged since the government last published data in 1994.  Just over three quarters of custodial parents who were due support received at least some payments in 2007; 47% got the full amount and an additional 30% received some support.  Child support represented almost half of the average income for custodial parents below poverty who received full support.  One quarter of all custodial parents had incomes below poverty, while 18.2% of those who received some child support payments were below poverty; the overall poverty rate for the total population in 2007 was 12.5%.  The poverty rate of custodial mothers actually fell from 36.8% in 1993 to 27% in 2007, which is something to be thankful for, although it is still more than double the poverty rate for custodial fathers, at 12.9%.  Custodial parents who are under age 30, Black, or never married tended to have higher poverty rates (of 35%) than older, non-Black, formerly married people.  Custodial parents with full-time, year-round employment had a poverty rate of 8.1% while custodial parents who didn’t work or were participants in public assistance programs had poverty rates of 57% in 2007.  Even among parents who are doing relatively well financially when they’re together, the expense of maintaining two households virtually guarantees some decrease in the family’s standard of living.

The reason all this economic information is important is because socioeconomic status is a key indicator of post-divorce adjustment.  Low income has been shown to predict anxiety and depression among preschoolers from both divorced and intact families.  Other researchers have shown that it’s the change in socioeconomic status after a divorce that’s very important.  Girls seemed to fare especially poor psychological adjustment when the income of the custodial mother was much less than the non-custodial father, whether that resulted from a drop in the mother’s income or an increase in the father’s.

And why is socioeconomic status linked to poor adjustment outcomes?  Well, there are a variety of reasons.  Parents who have more money are able to offer their children more privileges than parents with more meager family incomes, which provides children with the opportunities to achieve social competency and personal goals.  It’s also possible that the drop in income might necessitate a move to a new neighborhood, perhaps with more affordable housing and schools of lower quality.  Fitting in at a new school can be hard under the best of circumstances, but fitting in at a new school you’re your whole life is being turned upside down makes everything more difficult.  Parental divorce, parental income, and school quality have all been shown to affect eighth-grader’s achievement test scores.  Doing poorly in a new school, particularly a new school in a not-so-good neighborhood that might not have much in the way of support sets a child up for potential missed educational opportunities, which can even become a factor a child’s deviant behavior, timely high school graduation, premarital fertility, and possibly the child’s own early marriage and possible following divorce.

Socioeconomic status also impacts the mother’s psychological adjustment, which is a key predictor of the child’s psychological adjustment.  In other words, if the loss in the mother’s household income causes the mother to feel depressed, her ability to provide effective, authoritative parenting may be compromised which can lead to poor adjustment outcomes for the child.

Regarding which gendered child is more severely impacted by divorce – a variety of studies have shown that boys are more severely impacted by divorce than girls.  Another variety of studies have shown that girls are more severely impacted by divorce than boys, and a third set shows no gender differences in children’s adjustment to divorce.  The one thing that does seem fairly clear in all of this is that you can design a study that will show that either boys or girls or neither are most severely impacted by divorce.  It is possible that boys more often respond with externalized responses (like aggression, school behavior problems, and stealing), and girls may respond by demonstrating anxiety and withdrawal – which may not even be noticed by teachers and parents but may have more serious implications for long-term adjustment than the externalizing behavior problems exhibited by boys.

The age of the child at the time of the divorce may also be an important factor, and many studies have been done on this, with mixed results from which we can still draw some conclusions.  Overall, the research suggests that divorce has a particularly negative impact on very young children, and that the impact is less if the child is a teenager when the divorce occurs.  Children whose parents divorce in the preschool years will be acutely aware of the departure of one parent, and will fear the possibility of abandonment by the other parent which may be manifested in extreme anxiety when the child is temporarily separated from the custodial parent.  The child may become very clingy and unwilling to go to daycare or preschool when they were previously happy to go.  They may also see bedtime as a separation, and may experience terrifying nightmares.  They may experience disruptions in their normal ability to resolve inner conflicts through play and fantasy, or may even stop playing altogether.  They might be restless, noisy, and irritable.

Very young children might experience a loss of recently acquired motor skills, and because slightly older children can’t fully understand the...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/divorce]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1545</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/005d96cc-12da-42eb-a306-2ef01c032725/divorcemixdown.mp3" length="13541332" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This is the second of a short series of episodes on issues related to divorce.  The first was our &quot;All Joy and No Fun&quot; episode, where we talked about how parenting today can be the most joyful thing in our lives - even if it isn&apos;t always a whole lot of fun from moment to moment.

The series was inspired by a listener who sent me an email saying: “I was divorced when my husband was 2 ½ years old.  He is now 5 years old and has a very hard time expressing his feelings.  I have an intuitive “gut” feeling that it has to do with the fact that he went from being with me every day (I was a stay at home mom) to suddenly spending 7-10 days away from me and with his father, and also away from me as I set up a career.  Do you know of any research on this?”  

Well, I didn’t, but when I started looking around I realized there’s actually so much of it that it makes sense to break it down into two episodes which is what we’re going to do.  So today’s episode focuses very much on the factors leading to divorce and the impact of divorce itself on children, and the final episode in the series will look at how what happens after divorce – things like single parenting, ongoing contact with both parents, ongoing arguments between parents, and remarriages and stepparents impact children.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>035: Parenting: All joy and no fun?</title><itunes:title>035: Parenting: All joy and no fun?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Today’s episode is about a book I read way before I started the podcast, called <a href="http://amzn.to/2FPKaCC">All Joy and No Fun</a> (Affiliate link) by Jennifer Senior. I actually got a question from a listener recently asking me whether there’s any research on whether and how her divorce might have impacted her son’s development. It turns out that there is, and quite a lot – so I decided to make a series out of it.

We’ll have one episode on how divorce impacts children, and a second on single parenting and step families, and we’ll open the whole lot up with this one on All Joy and No Fun, which is basically about the idea that if you ask a parent what is their greatest joy they will invariably say “my kids,” but if you ask them moment-by-moment if they’re having fun with their children then unfortunately the answer is pretty often “no.” I know that a lot of factors can lead to divorce but surely “all joy and no fun” is among them, so it sort of seemed like it fit with the other two topics. Since I first read the book several months ago I’ve had a chance to think about it a bit, so I’ll start as usual with the research and will end with some ideas on how we can change our approach so we can have “some joy and some fun too.”<span id="more-1542"></span>

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Campos B., Graesch, A.P., Repetti, R., Bradbury, T., &amp; Ochs, E. (2009). Opportunity for interaction? A naturalistic observation study of dual-earner families after work and school. <em>Journal of Family Psychology 23</em>(6), 798-807. DOI: 10.1037/a0015824

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Cherry, K. (2016). What is flow? Retrieved from: https://www.verywell.com/what-is-flow-2794768

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Cowan, C.P. &amp; Cowan, P.A. (1995). Interventions to ease the transition to parenthood: Why they are needed and what they can do. <em>Family Relations: Journal of Applied Family &amp; Child Studies 44</em>, 412-423.

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Csikszentmihalyi, M., Abuhamdeh, S., &amp; Nakamura, J. (2005). Flow. In A. Elliot (Ed.), <em>A Handbook of Competence and Motivation.</em> (pp. 598-698). New York: The Guilford Press.

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Doss, B.D., Rhoades, G.K., Stanley, S.M., &amp; Markman, H.J. (2009). The effect of the transition to parenthood on relationship quality: An 8-year prospective study. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychiatry 96</em>(3), 601-619. DOI: 10.1037/a0013969

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LeMasters, E.E. (1957). Parenthood as crisis. <em>Marriage and Family Living 19</em>(4), 352-355.

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Mitchell, T.R., Thompson, L. .Peterson, E., &amp; Cronk, R. (1997). Temporal adjustments in the evaluation of events: The “Rosy View.” <em> Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 33</em>(4), 421-428.

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Nakamura, J., &amp; Csikszentmihalyi, M. (2001). Dlow theory and research. In C.R. Snyder, E. Wright, &amp; S.J. Lopez (Eds.), <em>Handbook of Positive Psychology.</em> (pp. 195-206). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

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Rossi, A.S. (1968). Transition to parenthood. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 30</em>(1), 26-39.

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Senior, J. (2014). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FPKaCC">All joy and no fun: The paradox of modern parenthood.</a> New York: HarperCollins. (Affiliate link)

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast.

Before we get going today, I’d like to ask you for a favor.  I’ve been doing some reading about goal setting lately and I’ve read that if you set a goal you should both tell other people about it and ask for help in achieving it, so I’d like to do that today.  I’ve set a goal for myself to double the number of subscribers I have to this podcast – subscribing doesn’t cost anything at all; it just means that new episodes show up in your podcast feed when they’re released on a weekly basis, so you don’t have to remember to go and look for them.  Weekly podcasts on science-based parenting advice delivered straight to your feed?  What could be better?  The trick here is that if you subscribe through iTunes, I’m afraid I can’t count that as meeting my goal – iTunes never actually tells podcasters that a person has subscribed or how many subscribers I might have in iTunes at any given time.  Let’s just say it’s yet another way that iTunes doesn’t help podcasters out.  So to count toward my goal, new subscribers have to go to my website at YourParentingMojo.com, enter your email address in the box at the top, and hit ‘subscribe’ – you actually get a gift for doing it that way too, which is a package of seven relationship-based strategies to support your child’s development – and maybe make life a bit easier for you.  So if you haven’t yet subscribed to the show on my website I’d be grateful if you wouldn’t mind doing that, and if you have already subscribed then would you consider telling a friend (or perhaps many friends) about the show?  I’ll let you know when I reach my goal – thanks so much for your support!

Now on to today’s episode, which is about a book I read way before I started the podcast, called All Joy and No Fun by Jennifer Senior.  I actually got a question from a listener recently asking me whether there’s any research on whether and how her divorce might have impacted her son’s development.  It turns out that there is, and quite a lot – so I decided to make a mini-series out of it with one episode on how divorce impacts children, and a second on single parenting and step families, and we’ll open the whole lot up with this one on All Joy and No Fun, which is basically about the idea that if you ask a parent what is their greatest joy they will pretty much invariably say “my kids,” but if you ask them moment-by-moment if they’re having fun with their children then unfortunately the answer is pretty often “no.”  I know that a lot of factors can lead to divorce but surely “all joy and no fun” is among them, so I’m going to lump these three together in a sort of mini-series.  Since I first read the book several months ago I’ve had a chance to think about it a bit, so I’ll start as usual with the research and will end with some thoughts on how we can change this idea to “some joy and some fun too.”  And because I think I’m an especially interesting case study for this phenomenon, I’m going to illustrate today’s episode with some personal experience.  Because, why not?

Before we get going I should pause and say that if you are not a family that looks like a mother and a father with children then I’m sorry, but there is not a ton of research on your kinds of families which does suck.  I imagine it’s possible that one of you might work longer hours than the other and take on the more “father-ish” role and the other works shorter or no hours and spends more time with the kids that looks like a more “mother-ish” role.  If so, there will still be plenty here for you.  And even if not (and if you really do split everything evenly then you should send me an email and you can be a guest on the show), if you’ve ever found yourself wishing there was as much <em>fun</em> as <em>joy </em>in your life then there will still be something for you to learn.

A sociologist named Alice Rossi was one of the first people to study the effect of parenting <em>on the parents</em>, rather than just on the child.  She describes four factors that inhibit our abilities as parents: firstly that preparation for the role of parent is virtually non-existent, in large part because our educational system provides for children’s cognitive development, but not for emotional development or the subjects most relevant to successful family life, which Rossi says are “sex, home maintenance, child care, interpersonal competence, and empathy.”  I’d say this was doubly so for me because I never really liked children that much, so while I had few opportunities to engage with children as a teen and young adult I actually went out of my way to avoid those opportunities I did find simply because I wasn’t interested – and anyway, babies cried whenever I held them.

Secondly there is limited learning available during pregnancy – I was among the lucky ones here in the U.S. to have health insurance that provided a couple of prenatal classes, so I had actually changed a diaper on a doll before my daughter’s birth, even if not on a real baby.  I spent a great deal of time reading about pregnancy and labor and delivery and was determined to have a natural birth for two reasons – firstly because I was afraid I would struggle to bond with the baby and secondly because I wanted to do a 10-day backpacking trip around Mont Blanc a few weeks after the delivery, which would have been impossible if I’d had a C-section.  So let’s just say that I was highly motivated to avoid that recovery from surgery, but that means I spent virtually no time trying to think through what it’s like to be a parent.  I figured I had 18 years to work on that part, although I will say that I don’t have too many regrets in parenting so far, but one of the few I do have is that I didn’t find the idea of respectful parenting until my daughter was about four months old, and I now look back on those first few months with a bit of sadness that I wasn’t able to begin our relationship in a way that really respected her needs rather than just assuming that no crying = good, so do whatever you can to stop the crying.

The third of Rossi’s four factor is the abruptness of the transition to parenthood – there simply is no internship for parenting as there would have been in our society in centuries past, or that still exists in other societies today where young adults see others in their families with young babies and can ‘practice’ their own skills in advance, and today more]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Today’s episode is about a book I read way before I started the podcast, called <a href="http://amzn.to/2FPKaCC">All Joy and No Fun</a> (Affiliate link) by Jennifer Senior. I actually got a question from a listener recently asking me whether there’s any research on whether and how her divorce might have impacted her son’s development. It turns out that there is, and quite a lot – so I decided to make a series out of it.

We’ll have one episode on how divorce impacts children, and a second on single parenting and step families, and we’ll open the whole lot up with this one on All Joy and No Fun, which is basically about the idea that if you ask a parent what is their greatest joy they will invariably say “my kids,” but if you ask them moment-by-moment if they’re having fun with their children then unfortunately the answer is pretty often “no.” I know that a lot of factors can lead to divorce but surely “all joy and no fun” is among them, so it sort of seemed like it fit with the other two topics. Since I first read the book several months ago I’ve had a chance to think about it a bit, so I’ll start as usual with the research and will end with some ideas on how we can change our approach so we can have “some joy and some fun too.”<span id="more-1542"></span>

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<strong>References</strong>

Campos B., Graesch, A.P., Repetti, R., Bradbury, T., &amp; Ochs, E. (2009). Opportunity for interaction? A naturalistic observation study of dual-earner families after work and school. <em>Journal of Family Psychology 23</em>(6), 798-807. DOI: 10.1037/a0015824

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Cherry, K. (2016). What is flow? Retrieved from: https://www.verywell.com/what-is-flow-2794768

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Cowan, C.P. &amp; Cowan, P.A. (1995). Interventions to ease the transition to parenthood: Why they are needed and what they can do. <em>Family Relations: Journal of Applied Family &amp; Child Studies 44</em>, 412-423.

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Csikszentmihalyi, M., Abuhamdeh, S., &amp; Nakamura, J. (2005). Flow. In A. Elliot (Ed.), <em>A Handbook of Competence and Motivation.</em> (pp. 598-698). New York: The Guilford Press.

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Doss, B.D., Rhoades, G.K., Stanley, S.M., &amp; Markman, H.J. (2009). The effect of the transition to parenthood on relationship quality: An 8-year prospective study. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychiatry 96</em>(3), 601-619. DOI: 10.1037/a0013969

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LeMasters, E.E. (1957). Parenthood as crisis. <em>Marriage and Family Living 19</em>(4), 352-355.

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Mitchell, T.R., Thompson, L. .Peterson, E., &amp; Cronk, R. (1997). Temporal adjustments in the evaluation of events: The “Rosy View.” <em> Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 33</em>(4), 421-428.

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Nakamura, J., &amp; Csikszentmihalyi, M. (2001). Dlow theory and research. In C.R. Snyder, E. Wright, &amp; S.J. Lopez (Eds.), <em>Handbook of Positive Psychology.</em> (pp. 195-206). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

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Rossi, A.S. (1968). Transition to parenthood. <em>Journal of Marriage and Family 30</em>(1), 26-39.

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Senior, J. (2014). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FPKaCC">All joy and no fun: The paradox of modern parenthood.</a> New York: HarperCollins. (Affiliate link)

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo Podcast.

Before we get going today, I’d like to ask you for a favor.  I’ve been doing some reading about goal setting lately and I’ve read that if you set a goal you should both tell other people about it and ask for help in achieving it, so I’d like to do that today.  I’ve set a goal for myself to double the number of subscribers I have to this podcast – subscribing doesn’t cost anything at all; it just means that new episodes show up in your podcast feed when they’re released on a weekly basis, so you don’t have to remember to go and look for them.  Weekly podcasts on science-based parenting advice delivered straight to your feed?  What could be better?  The trick here is that if you subscribe through iTunes, I’m afraid I can’t count that as meeting my goal – iTunes never actually tells podcasters that a person has subscribed or how many subscribers I might have in iTunes at any given time.  Let’s just say it’s yet another way that iTunes doesn’t help podcasters out.  So to count toward my goal, new subscribers have to go to my website at YourParentingMojo.com, enter your email address in the box at the top, and hit ‘subscribe’ – you actually get a gift for doing it that way too, which is a package of seven relationship-based strategies to support your child’s development – and maybe make life a bit easier for you.  So if you haven’t yet subscribed to the show on my website I’d be grateful if you wouldn’t mind doing that, and if you have already subscribed then would you consider telling a friend (or perhaps many friends) about the show?  I’ll let you know when I reach my goal – thanks so much for your support!

Now on to today’s episode, which is about a book I read way before I started the podcast, called All Joy and No Fun by Jennifer Senior.  I actually got a question from a listener recently asking me whether there’s any research on whether and how her divorce might have impacted her son’s development.  It turns out that there is, and quite a lot – so I decided to make a mini-series out of it with one episode on how divorce impacts children, and a second on single parenting and step families, and we’ll open the whole lot up with this one on All Joy and No Fun, which is basically about the idea that if you ask a parent what is their greatest joy they will pretty much invariably say “my kids,” but if you ask them moment-by-moment if they’re having fun with their children then unfortunately the answer is pretty often “no.”  I know that a lot of factors can lead to divorce but surely “all joy and no fun” is among them, so I’m going to lump these three together in a sort of mini-series.  Since I first read the book several months ago I’ve had a chance to think about it a bit, so I’ll start as usual with the research and will end with some thoughts on how we can change this idea to “some joy and some fun too.”  And because I think I’m an especially interesting case study for this phenomenon, I’m going to illustrate today’s episode with some personal experience.  Because, why not?

Before we get going I should pause and say that if you are not a family that looks like a mother and a father with children then I’m sorry, but there is not a ton of research on your kinds of families which does suck.  I imagine it’s possible that one of you might work longer hours than the other and take on the more “father-ish” role and the other works shorter or no hours and spends more time with the kids that looks like a more “mother-ish” role.  If so, there will still be plenty here for you.  And even if not (and if you really do split everything evenly then you should send me an email and you can be a guest on the show), if you’ve ever found yourself wishing there was as much <em>fun</em> as <em>joy </em>in your life then there will still be something for you to learn.

A sociologist named Alice Rossi was one of the first people to study the effect of parenting <em>on the parents</em>, rather than just on the child.  She describes four factors that inhibit our abilities as parents: firstly that preparation for the role of parent is virtually non-existent, in large part because our educational system provides for children’s cognitive development, but not for emotional development or the subjects most relevant to successful family life, which Rossi says are “sex, home maintenance, child care, interpersonal competence, and empathy.”  I’d say this was doubly so for me because I never really liked children that much, so while I had few opportunities to engage with children as a teen and young adult I actually went out of my way to avoid those opportunities I did find simply because I wasn’t interested – and anyway, babies cried whenever I held them.

Secondly there is limited learning available during pregnancy – I was among the lucky ones here in the U.S. to have health insurance that provided a couple of prenatal classes, so I had actually changed a diaper on a doll before my daughter’s birth, even if not on a real baby.  I spent a great deal of time reading about pregnancy and labor and delivery and was determined to have a natural birth for two reasons – firstly because I was afraid I would struggle to bond with the baby and secondly because I wanted to do a 10-day backpacking trip around Mont Blanc a few weeks after the delivery, which would have been impossible if I’d had a C-section.  So let’s just say that I was highly motivated to avoid that recovery from surgery, but that means I spent virtually no time trying to think through what it’s like to be a parent.  I figured I had 18 years to work on that part, although I will say that I don’t have too many regrets in parenting so far, but one of the few I do have is that I didn’t find the idea of respectful parenting until my daughter was about four months old, and I now look back on those first few months with a bit of sadness that I wasn’t able to begin our relationship in a way that really respected her needs rather than just assuming that no crying = good, so do whatever you can to stop the crying.

The third of Rossi’s four factor is the abruptness of the transition to parenthood – there simply is no internship for parenting as there would have been in our society in centuries past, or that still exists in other societies today where young adults see others in their families with young babies and can ‘practice’ their own skills in advance, and today more than ever our lives totally and permanently shift when we have our first child, and I would argue are irrevocably changed once we have two.  My husband and I had a pretty nice life before we had our daughter – we rode bikes on mountains or on the road most weekends during the summer and skied 15-25 days over the winter, and I hiked a lot, and I did yoga classes pretty much whenever I felt like it.  Life was busy and full and pretty fun.  In fact, even though it was my husband who wanted children whenever I would ask him “are you ready yet?” he would say “let’s just get through bike season first” and then at the end of bike season he’d say “let’s just do one more ski season first,” so finally I said “if you keep saying that, there’s never going to be a baby.”  To which he responded “well then I’m ready now” – famous last words, as it turned out.  With one child we are still able to do some of these things; one of us can cover while the other goes out for a road ride, although we haven’t mountain biked in months.  I’ve been able to do a lot of hiking with our daughter on my back, although now we’re at the unfortunate age where she is too heavy to carry and also won’t walk in a straight line.  But if we had two children as I know many of you do, so I’m probably preaching to the choir – the chances of you being able to engage regularly in things you used to find interesting and enjoyable are pretty slim.

Fourthly, there is a lack of guidelines to successful parenthood, by which Rossi means that it isn’t too hard to figure out what are nutritional and clothing and medical needs and follow the general advice that a child needs loving physical contact and emotional support, but what else is needed to help a child develop into a successful adult?  Surely there must be something?  Well it turns out that there are just one or two things, which is a major reason I started this podcast in the first place, to fill that gap between all the books about how to support an infant’s growth and development, and the changing skillset a parent needs once the child becomes a toddler and preschooler.

This suddenness of transition is the major theme in an even earlier paper by E.E. LeMasters, who found that thirty eight of forty six couples he interviewed in urban middle-class Wisconsin between 1953 and 1956 reported “extensive” or “severe” crisis, the two most severe criteria on a five-point scale, in adjusting to the arrival of their first child.  89% of these couples rated their marriages as “good” or better, ratings that were confirmed by close friends in all but three cases, and thirty five of thirty eight pregnancies in the crisis group were either planned or desired – so it wasn’t that the couples were in crisis because of an unplanned pregnancy.  The parents didn’t have major psychiatric disabilities and were, in general, of average or above average in what LeMasters called “personality adjustment,” but all of the couples in the crisis group seemed to have romanticized parenthood and felt ineffectively prepared.  As one mother said: “We knew where babies came from, but we didn’t know <em>what they were like</em>.”  The couples’ descriptions of early parenthood could have been lifted from any Facebook parenting forum today – the mothers reported loss of sleep, chronic tiredness or exhaustion, confinement to the home and loss of social contacts, giving up the satisfactions and income of a job, having endless laundry to do, feeling guilty about not being a better mother, being “on” 24/7 in caring for an infant, the decline in their housekeeping standards (although I have to say I wasn’t personally afflicted by this problem) and worry over their appearance (including increased weight after the pregnancy).  The fathers apparently echoed most of these adjustments and added a few of their own – the decline in the wife’s sexual responsiveness (which I’ll just leave <em>right there</em> without further comment), economic pressure from becoming the only breadwinner at a time when expenses are increasing, worry about a second pregnancy in the near future, and a “general disenchantment with the parental role.”  These are sobering statistics, and are among the more dire ones that have been reported – subsequent studies have confirmed the sudden deteriorations in the relationship between couples after the birth of the couples’ first baby, but have found smaller to medium-sized effects rather than the large-scale crisis event that LeMasters reported.

As several researchers have noted and Jennifer Senior comments as well, one is more likely to be happy raising children as part of a couple rather than raising them alone, and also that the level of happiness in marriages tends to decline over time whether a couple has children or not.  But at no point in a marriage does it seem to decline as far and fast as after that first baby is born, and while we can debate the extent of the decline there is little doubting its pervasiveness.

And what causes this erosion in happiness?  It seems as though there are two factors.  Between the parents themselves, there is one topic that causes more arguments than any other, and if you don’t know what it is then you haven’t been living in my house lately: it’s the division of work between parents.  Men and women work, on average, about the same numbers of hours each day but women, on average, still do about twice as much “family care” – which is defined as housework, child care, shopping, and chauffeuring – as men.  My husband would be quick to add that he commutes for 2 ½ hours a day, which is true – a situation he chose for himself over my objections for precisely the reason that I knew he would walk in the door most nights shortly before bedtime expecting the child to be fed and bathed and his own dinner on the table.  And he’s not alone – in a study that analyzed a set of video recordings of families in Los Angeles on weekday evenings, mothers were found most often in shared spaces with the children, while fathers were observed most often alone.  The least frequently observed configuration was the couple together without children.  And we all know that there’s a reason why doing the dishes after dinner, that once loathed task, is now seen as the ‘plum’ assignment over supervising bath time – it’s because doing the dishes is far mentally easier than wrangling a two-and-a-half year-old into the bath “But I don’t WANNA bath!” followed after shampooing and soaping by “But I don’t WANNA get out!”.  But most nights I end up doing bath AND the dishes anyway, so the choice isn’t so bad.  And at my house we see this pattern repeated on the weekends as well – if my daughter and I are in the living room together then my husband sees himself as “relieved” and free to read drivel on the internet at his leisure.  I will say that he may be better than most husbands at making some effort to protect a small amount of leisure time for me; he will suggest that I go out for a bike ride some weekend mornings, as long as it’s not more than an hour and I don’t expect things to be any further along at home by the time I get back than when I left – things like getting either of them dressed, for example.  He’s quite happy to just enjoy his time with her and leave the ‘chore’ aspect of childcare to me – unless I set expectations about what I’d like to have done while I’m gone, which I’ve started to do even though I wish I didn’t have to.

A subset of this first factor causing the erosion of marital happiness is the overscheduled nature of our children’s lives these days.  Recall that “family care” includes chauffeuring the kids around to various activities, often one or more each night of the week (especially when you factor multiple children into the equation).  This never-ending series of activities is apparently a uniquely middle-class affliction – it’s what middle class parents do (in the short term) to try to expose their child to a variety of experiences, and (in the long term) to give them the ‘edge’ they’ll need to get into an elite college.  And it’s exhausting for both the parents and the children.

So the second main factor I see in the decline of marital quality is more related to the children and, specifically, what it’s like to spend time with children – especially young children.  Now I have to say that I’ve been very lucky to have a relatively easy-going child, although she has just, over the last few weeks, started saying “No, I don’t WANT to [insert activity here],” no matter what the inserted activity is and how much she really wants to do it – if I want her to do it then it’s enough for her to say she doesn’t.  And a side-effect of being over-scheduled when children are young is that they don’t know how to tolerate boredom, and they look to us to alleviate it when it occurs.  While our parents were cooking, cleaning, hanging out with their neighbors, and running a network of nonprofit organizations, they would typically tell us to go clean their rooms if we were bored.  We are more likely to ship our own children off to a gymnastics class.

I want to digress here for a moment to discuss the concept of “flow” – please trust me that it will all come together in just a couple of minutes.  This term was coined by the psychologist Mihaly Cheeks-sent-mi-halyi, although the idea has existed in other forms, most notably in some Eastern religions, for thousands of years.  When you’ve achieved “flow,” you’re in the zone.  The original six characteristics of flow are: (1) intense and focused concentration on the present moment; (2) merging of action and awareness, (3) a loss of reflective self-consciousness, so you’re not easily distracted, (4) a sense of personal control or agency over the situation or activity, (5), a distortion of temporal experience – some people say time seems to slow down; others say it seems to speed up; and (6) an experience of the activity as intrinsically rewarding.  These...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/joy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1542</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/40421d80-e6dc-4451-b587-f371fbfb11f8/all-joy-and-no-funmixdown.mp3" length="12753587" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Today&apos;s episode is about a book I read way before I started the podcast, called All Joy and No Fun by Jennifer Senior. I actually got a question from a listener recently asking me whether there’s any research on whether and how her divorce might have impacted her son’s development. It turns out that there is, and quite a lot – so I decided to make a series out of it.  

We&apos;ll have one episode on how divorce impacts children, and a second on single parenting and step families, and we’ll open the whole lot up with this one on All Joy and No Fun, which is basically about the idea that if you ask a parent what is their greatest joy they will invariably say “my kids,” but if you ask them moment-by-moment if they’re having fun with their children then unfortunately the answer is pretty often “no.” I know that a lot of factors can lead to divorce but surely “all joy and no fun” is among them, so it sort of seemed like it fit with the other two topics. Since I first read the book several months ago I’ve had a chance to think about it a bit, so I’ll start as usual with the research and will end with some ideas on how we can change our approach so we can have “some joy and some fun too.”</itunes:summary></item><item><title>034: How do I get my child to do chores?</title><itunes:title>034: How do I get my child to do chores?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[We have a pretty cool mini-mini-series launching today. I’ve been seeing a lot of those “chores your child could be doing” articles showing up in my social media feeds lately, and I was thinking about those as well about how children in other cultures seem to be MUCH more willing to help out with work around the house.  I’m not saying we want to train our children to be slave laborers, but why is it that children in Western cultures really don’t seem to do chores unless they’re paid to do them?

We’re going to hold off on the “getting paid” part for now, and we’ll talk about that very soon with my guest Ron Lieber, the Money columnist of the New York Times who wrote a book called <em>The Opposite of Spoiled</em>. But today we’re going to discuss the chores part with Andrew Coppens, who is an Assistant Professor of Education in Learning Sciences at the University of New Hampshire. If you’ve ever asked your child to do a task in the home only to have them say “No,” then get comfy and listen up, because I have a feeling that our conversation is going to surprise you and give you some new tools for your toolbox.

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Coppens, A.D., &amp; Acala, L. (2015). Supporting children’s initiative: Appreciating family contributions or paying children for chores. Advances in Child Development and Behavior 49, 91-112. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/bs.acdb.2015.10.002">http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/bs.acdb.2015.10.002</a>

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Coppens, A.D., Acala, L., Rogoff, B., &amp; Mejia-Arauz, R. (2016). Children’s contributions in family work: Two cultural paradigms. In S. Punch, R.M.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a pretty cool mini mini series launching today. I’ve been seeing a lot of those Chores Your Child Should Be Doing articles showing up in my social media feeds lately and I was thinking about those as well as some of the ethnographic research that we’ve discussed on previous episodes of the podcast where I’ve read about six year olds cooking for a group of adults who were on a trip for a week and willingly helping to care for younger siblings and cleaning up around the house without being asked and as I often do when these kinds of things come up, I started to wonder why don’t our children cook meals at age six and willingly help to care for younger siblings and clean up around the house without being asked? I’m not saying that we want to train our children to be slave laborers, but why is it that children in western cultures really don’t seem to do chores unless they’re paid to do them?

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.57">[01:29]</a></u>

So we’re going to hold off on the getting paid part for now and we’ll talk about that very soon with my guest, Ron Lieber, who’s the money columnist of the New York Times and wrote a book called The Opposite of Spoiled. But today we’re going to discuss the chores part with Andrew Coppens, who is an Assistant Professor of Education and learning sciences at the University of New Hampshire. Dr Coppens’ work examines how children from a number of cultural communities learn to help collaborate and how they get motivated to learn and the everyday activities of their families and communities. He’s focused on cultural practices regarding children’s everyday family contributions. What kids think about helping out and mothers ways of getting there. Children involved. If you ever asked your child to do a task in the home, only to have them say no, then get comfy and listen up because I have a feeling that our conversation is going to surprise you and also give you some new tools for your toolbox. Welcome Dr Coppens!

Dr. Coppens:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.09">[02:21]</a></u>

Thanks. It’s really nice to speak with you.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=142.8">[02:22]</a></u>

All right, so let’s start by defining chores. What kind of work constitutes chores in your research?

Dr. Coppens:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.39">[02:29]</a></u>

So, uh, I think we make one what seems to be a critical distinction and that seems to give us a window into a lot of cultural differences regarding how voluntarily kids do chores. And that distinction is between what we refer to as family household work, which is activities like helping with cooking a meal where other people are involved and where the benefits of doing that chore are shared across a number of people and we make that distinction be doing those kinds of activities and we call self-care chores, so things regarding my stuff, so making my bed or my mess, you know, some toys that I left out and where people tend to work in self-care chores a little bit more individually. So there’s a lot of different kinds of work around the house, but those two types tend to focus on those two types, tends to be pretty instructive.

Jen:                                      <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=201.32">[03:21]</a></u>                   Okay. So it’s the idea of taking care of yourself as in things like brushing your teeth and cleaning up your own mess versus something that has some kind of contribution to how the rest of the household runs?

Dr. Coppens:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.81">[03:33]</a></u>

Yeah. And of course self care chores have a contribution because it’s something that, you know, maybe a parent doesn’t have to do if a child does it. But where the distinction becomes important. I think is what motivates the child to get involved, so family, household work, things like, uh, you know, other things like sweeping the kitchen versus just sweeping my room or helping out with all the laundry versus just folding my socks. The family household work is a bit more social. So it’s that sociality of family household work, which I’m sure we’ll talk about a little bit more that seems to support kids’ voluntary engagement.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.54">[04:09]</a></u>

Okay. So you’ve alluded to my next question which is about money, which we’re only going to talk about really briefly because we will do a whole episode on that coming up in a couple of weeks. But the reason I want to talk about it is because it does seem really common in Western societies to pay children for doing chores. And I’m wondering how is this working out for parents? Because all the way back in episode seven of this podcast, we talked about how parents use some foods like vegetables as a gateway to other kinds of foods like desert and the children end up liking the vegetables less and the dessert more. And then in a subsequent episode, I think it was episode nine, we actually discussed how rewarding children with praise – but I can sort of see money as being a different kind of praise; it makes them want to do the thing right now – but as soon as the praise stops, they stopped wanting to do the thing that you praise them for. So I’m curious about how all those things that we’ve already talked about on the podcast fit together and how that is associated with the whole paying children to do chores thing and how that’s working out for parents.

Dr. Coppens:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.67">[05:13]</a></u>

Yeah. So this is a really interesting question. In one study that a colleague of mine, Lucy Alcala and I did a regarding basically different cultural approaches to encouraging children to get involved in chores. We ask college students about their experience with receiving allowances. So an alternative to allowances might’ve been in a indigenous heritage in Mexican-American families. And what was really common among the middle class students perspectives and backgrounds and what seems to be supported by a lot of the research is that one, I think there’s a wide range of ways that kids are rewarded or ways that kids are paid for getting involved in chores and one doesn’t really seem to emerge as a clear leader in]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[We have a pretty cool mini-mini-series launching today. I’ve been seeing a lot of those “chores your child could be doing” articles showing up in my social media feeds lately, and I was thinking about those as well about how children in other cultures seem to be MUCH more willing to help out with work around the house.  I’m not saying we want to train our children to be slave laborers, but why is it that children in Western cultures really don’t seem to do chores unless they’re paid to do them?

We’re going to hold off on the “getting paid” part for now, and we’ll talk about that very soon with my guest Ron Lieber, the Money columnist of the New York Times who wrote a book called <em>The Opposite of Spoiled</em>. But today we’re going to discuss the chores part with Andrew Coppens, who is an Assistant Professor of Education in Learning Sciences at the University of New Hampshire. If you’ve ever asked your child to do a task in the home only to have them say “No,” then get comfy and listen up, because I have a feeling that our conversation is going to surprise you and give you some new tools for your toolbox.

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<strong>References: </strong>

Coppens, A.D., &amp; Acala, L. (2015). Supporting children’s initiative: Appreciating family contributions or paying children for chores. Advances in Child Development and Behavior 49, 91-112. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/bs.acdb.2015.10.002">http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/bs.acdb.2015.10.002</a>

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Coppens, A.D., Acala, L., Rogoff, B., &amp; Mejia-Arauz, R. (2016). Children’s contributions in family work: Two cultural paradigms. In S. Punch, R.M.

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Vanderbeck, &amp; T. Skelton (Eds.), Families, intergenerationality, and per group relations: Geographies of children and young people (Vol 5). New York, NY: Springer.
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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.37">[00:37]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We have a pretty cool mini mini series launching today. I’ve been seeing a lot of those Chores Your Child Should Be Doing articles showing up in my social media feeds lately and I was thinking about those as well as some of the ethnographic research that we’ve discussed on previous episodes of the podcast where I’ve read about six year olds cooking for a group of adults who were on a trip for a week and willingly helping to care for younger siblings and cleaning up around the house without being asked and as I often do when these kinds of things come up, I started to wonder why don’t our children cook meals at age six and willingly help to care for younger siblings and clean up around the house without being asked? I’m not saying that we want to train our children to be slave laborers, but why is it that children in western cultures really don’t seem to do chores unless they’re paid to do them?

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.57">[01:29]</a></u>

So we’re going to hold off on the getting paid part for now and we’ll talk about that very soon with my guest, Ron Lieber, who’s the money columnist of the New York Times and wrote a book called The Opposite of Spoiled. But today we’re going to discuss the chores part with Andrew Coppens, who is an Assistant Professor of Education and learning sciences at the University of New Hampshire. Dr Coppens’ work examines how children from a number of cultural communities learn to help collaborate and how they get motivated to learn and the everyday activities of their families and communities. He’s focused on cultural practices regarding children’s everyday family contributions. What kids think about helping out and mothers ways of getting there. Children involved. If you ever asked your child to do a task in the home, only to have them say no, then get comfy and listen up because I have a feeling that our conversation is going to surprise you and also give you some new tools for your toolbox. Welcome Dr Coppens!

Dr. Coppens:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.09">[02:21]</a></u>

Thanks. It’s really nice to speak with you.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=142.8">[02:22]</a></u>

All right, so let’s start by defining chores. What kind of work constitutes chores in your research?

Dr. Coppens:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.39">[02:29]</a></u>

So, uh, I think we make one what seems to be a critical distinction and that seems to give us a window into a lot of cultural differences regarding how voluntarily kids do chores. And that distinction is between what we refer to as family household work, which is activities like helping with cooking a meal where other people are involved and where the benefits of doing that chore are shared across a number of people and we make that distinction be doing those kinds of activities and we call self-care chores, so things regarding my stuff, so making my bed or my mess, you know, some toys that I left out and where people tend to work in self-care chores a little bit more individually. So there’s a lot of different kinds of work around the house, but those two types tend to focus on those two types, tends to be pretty instructive.

Jen:                                      <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=201.32">[03:21]</a></u>                   Okay. So it’s the idea of taking care of yourself as in things like brushing your teeth and cleaning up your own mess versus something that has some kind of contribution to how the rest of the household runs?

Dr. Coppens:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.81">[03:33]</a></u>

Yeah. And of course self care chores have a contribution because it’s something that, you know, maybe a parent doesn’t have to do if a child does it. But where the distinction becomes important. I think is what motivates the child to get involved, so family, household work, things like, uh, you know, other things like sweeping the kitchen versus just sweeping my room or helping out with all the laundry versus just folding my socks. The family household work is a bit more social. So it’s that sociality of family household work, which I’m sure we’ll talk about a little bit more that seems to support kids’ voluntary engagement.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.54">[04:09]</a></u>

Okay. So you’ve alluded to my next question which is about money, which we’re only going to talk about really briefly because we will do a whole episode on that coming up in a couple of weeks. But the reason I want to talk about it is because it does seem really common in Western societies to pay children for doing chores. And I’m wondering how is this working out for parents? Because all the way back in episode seven of this podcast, we talked about how parents use some foods like vegetables as a gateway to other kinds of foods like desert and the children end up liking the vegetables less and the dessert more. And then in a subsequent episode, I think it was episode nine, we actually discussed how rewarding children with praise – but I can sort of see money as being a different kind of praise; it makes them want to do the thing right now – but as soon as the praise stops, they stopped wanting to do the thing that you praise them for. So I’m curious about how all those things that we’ve already talked about on the podcast fit together and how that is associated with the whole paying children to do chores thing and how that’s working out for parents.

Dr. Coppens:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.67">[05:13]</a></u>

Yeah. So this is a really interesting question. In one study that a colleague of mine, Lucy Alcala and I did a regarding basically different cultural approaches to encouraging children to get involved in chores. We ask college students about their experience with receiving allowances. So an alternative to allowances might’ve been in a indigenous heritage in Mexican-American families. And what was really common among the middle class students perspectives and backgrounds and what seems to be supported by a lot of the research is that one, I think there’s a wide range of ways that kids are rewarded or ways that kids are paid for getting involved in chores and one doesn’t really seem to emerge as a clear leader in comparison to the others. So a lot of approaches to paying kids are rewarding kids for doing chores. I think fundamentally what they do is they change the meaning of the activity for kids, um, and, and make what is potentially a multidimensional activity involving social aspects involving, Hey, I get to learn how to do this sort of cool thing that adults seem to think is important that it can in the perception of kids sort of change the activity into something that’s solely about if I do this, then I get that.

Dr. Coppens:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=390">[06:30]</a></u>

And I think that among many of the approaches of middle class families and not just in the US, this is throughout Mexico and other sort of European heritage communities. It’s that approach, it’s that basic contingency rooted approach, this, this quid pro quo assumption that is far more pervasive even if kids aren’t literally being paid or rewarded for chores. And so the alternative really removes some of these market principles from at least this particular child rearing practice all together. So removes this contingency frame completely from the equation, which I mean, if you grew up, you know, I grew up in the U.S. in middle class communities and, and that’s actually, that’s a hard thing to imagine even; those principles really pervade our lives.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=432.13">[07:12]</a></u>

And so you have studied how people in different cultures approach chores, right? So I think you looked at two different kinds of communities in Mexico. Can you tell us about those and how are they similar to and different from how Americans and people in Western cultures think about chores and children doing work around the house?

Dr. Coppens:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=451.17">[07:31]</a></u>

Yeah, sure. So maybe I’ll start with an example. So I lived and worked as a teacher in rural Nicaragua for a couple of years and so in my role as a teacher, I taught in the afternoons. So this was sort of, you know, sort of cowboy country and there were dairy farms and things like that and in the small towns and so really early five in the morning, you know, kids would come running by and knocking on my door, you know, wake up, wake up, and so, so I would go to the dairy farms and just sort of hang out and watch what was going on and, and so it was really, really struck by how kids, I guess learned and how they contributed in those contexts. And so what was most striking to me is that they weren’t asked or they weren’t required or paid to be there, but, but they woke up every morning at five and were dying to do it.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=498.57">[08:18]</a></u>

Which may be surprising to the average Western parent.

Dr. Coppens:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=502.85">[08:22]</a></u>

No, it was surprising. It was surprising to me in that I had those same kids in my classroom and in the afternoon and in some cases they were sort of my worst students, you know, they were just bored, you know. So, so my experience there, I, I, uh, I just became very interested in the kinds of learning and the kinds of motivation that characterize this, what we might refer to as an informal context or this sort of everyday context and how that differed from school based or maybe classroom based type. So I got really in the initiative the kids, the kids were showing in the morning and decided I wanted to go to Grad school and to learn a little bit more about that and that really built into a series of studies focused on household work in an indigenous heritage community, uh, that this is near Guadalajara and what we referred to in a cosmopolitan community, but really a middle class community with several generations of experience with formal schooling. And those studies looked at cultural differences between those two communities in how much kids were doing around the house to help. And then how voluntarily they were doing those chores. And in the indigenous heritage community, kids were both helping more extensively in a in a wide range of activities. But I was really most interested in, in the fact that they were doing that voluntarily, and in fact it seemed to be that the more voluntary contributions, the more they did, which, which again, you mentioned a sort of paradoxes, from the perspective of…

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=592.82">[09:52]</a></u>

Might be shocking to Americans.

Dr. Coppens:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=595.14">[09:55]</a></u>

Yeah. And, and you know, since then that’s really been my focus.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=599.61">[09:59]</a></u>

Yeah. So let’s probe on that in a variety of different ways. As I was reading your research, one thing that occurred to me that kind of seemed to be at the heart of the difference between the views of the chores in the indigenous Mexican communities that you studied compared with the more cosmopolitan communities in Mexico and also in the U.S., was that there seemed to be two very different kinds of views of what chores are in those communities. And when I think about doing chores and potentially assigning my still toddler, but she’s, she’s going to be doing chores soon, I imagine if I think about assigning work to her, it’s, it’s just saved me from doing something to free up time for myself to do something that I need to do or even that I want to do or even so that we can free up some time for the two of us to go and do something fun together. But it seemed as though, to me at least, in the indigenous community, it was almost like there wasn’t the same distinction between work and leisure and that to some extent leisure can be had by doing chores in the company of people whose company you enjoy. Am I misinterpreting that or was that kind of what you saw?

Dr. Coppens:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=665.44">[11:05]</a></u>

No, I think that’s. I think that’s spot on. I think that’s a part of the picture and many of the indigenous heritage communities and I think one of the things that supports this, this permeability between what in many middle class communities is a relatively strict line between time for work and time for play or time for educational activities is the autonomy that’s afforded for two kids, for engaging in work. So this connotation that many of us grew up with and in many cases still have around household chores being sort of onorous and we’re looking to do them as efficiently as possible and so that they’re over with and we can move on to other more enjoyable things. I think part of the lack of enjoyment of that kind of work have the ability to make a contribution in a shared contribution with others is that our engagement in those when we were growing up wasn’t so voluntary.

Dr. Coppens:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/a9DZeTltXq-nBHAQy5DWzsShwkDQw8oyIOv4SvM8oLZMkr6rinzEEMd-Fi5zaoDto7ibQh4cnLLwo6C7hqAq0GzA2O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=715.84">[11:55]</a></u>

It was maybe coerced or it was sort of this uni-dimensional thing where we just did it for pay or to avoid punishment and sort of moved on. So in, in many of the indigenous Indian indigenous heritage communities that myself and colleagues have studied in Mexico, there is this permeable line between types of time, but I think related to that as a permeable line between really in a, in a broader sense, adulthood and childhood. So all around the world, there are adults in children that that much is pretty straightforward. But the extent to which adulthood defines a set of activities that are separate from childhood, that’s really quite a unique cultural phenomenon. And so to the extent that adults in children’s sort of social, and sort of their worlds, the worlds that they live in or defined as sort of interconnected, I think kids can, can make contributions and then seamlessly blend into playing and all of those kinds of activities are really shared by both adults and children.

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Yeah. I’m thinking about when I took a trip to Guatemala, which I’m sure you would say much more elegantly than me. We took a hiking trip out of town and it was just a friend and I and a guide and they took us to this tiny village and I got up early because the kids were going to show me how to make tortillas and they were around and then they disappeared and I heard a motor running and then 20 minutes later they came back in the corn had all been pulverized and they’re making these tortillas for the family to eat that day by...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/chores]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1535</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a22c569c-d102-4e06-9a2c-9a3bf61f3310/chores.mp3" length="21675704" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We have a pretty cool mini-mini-series launching today. I’ve been seeing a lot of those “chores your child could be doing” articles showing up in my social media feeds lately, and I was thinking about those as well about how children in other cultures seem to be MUCH more willing to help out with work around the house.  I’m not saying we want to train our children to be slave laborers, but why is it that children in Western cultures really don’t seem to do chores unless they’re paid to do them?

We’re going to hold off on the “getting paid” part for now, and we’ll talk about that very soon with my guest Ron Lieber, the Money columnist of the New York Times who wrote a book called The Opposite of Spoiled. But today we’re going to discuss the chores part with Andrew Coppens, who is an Assistant Professor of Education in Learning Sciences at the University of New Hampshire. If you’ve ever asked your child to do a task in the home only to have them say “No,” then get comfy and listen up, because I have a feeling that our conversation is going to surprise you and give you some new tools for your toolbox.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>033: Does your child ever throw tantrums? (Part 2)</title><itunes:title>033: Does your child ever throw tantrums? (Part 2)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Well this took a bit longer than I’d planned…  WAY BACK in episode 11 I did Part 1 of a two-part series on tantrums, and was expecting to release the second episode in short order.  Then I got inundated with interviews from awesome guests, which I always wanted to release as soon as I could after I spoke with them, and months have gone by without releasing that second episode.

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tantrums-part-1/">Episode 11</a> provided a lot of background information on tantrums: a seminal study in 1931 really forms the basis for all the research on tantrums that has been done since then, so we went through it in some depth to understand what those researchers found – I was surprised that so much of the information was still relevant to parents today.

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This episode considers the more recent literature – of which there actually isn’t a huge amount – to help us understand what’s going on during a tantrum, how to deal with them once they start, and how to potentially head them off before they even fully develop (don’t we all want that?!).<span id="more-1533"></span>

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Denham, S.A., &amp; Burton, R. (2003). Social and emotional prevention and intervention programming for preschoolers. New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum.

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Green, J.A., Whitney, P.G., &amp; Potegal, M. (2011). Screaming, yelling, whining, and crying: Categorical and intensity differences in vocal expressions of anger and sadness in children’s tantrums. <em>Emotion 11</em>(5), 1124-1133. DOI: 10.1037/a0024173

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Levine, L.J. (1995). Young children’s understanding of the causes of anger and sadness. Child Development 66(2), 697-709.

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LeVine, R., &amp; LeVine, S. (2016). <em>Do parents matter? Why Japanese babies sleep soundly, Mexican siblings don’t fight, and American families should just relax.</em> New York: Public Affairs.

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Lieberman, M.D., Eisenberger, N.E., Crockett, M.J., Tom, S.M., Pfeifer, J.H., &amp; Way, B.M. (2007). Putting feelings into words: Affect labeling disrupts amygdala activity in response to affective stimuli. <em>Psychological Science 18</em>(5), 421-428.

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Parens, H. (1987). Aggression in our children: Coping with it constructively. Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson.

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Potegal, M., &amp; Davidson, R.J. (1997). Young children’s post tantrum affiliation with their parents. <em>Aggressive Behavior 23</em>, 329-341.

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Potegal, M., &amp; Davidson, R.J. (2003). Temper tantrums in young children: 1. Behavioral composition. <em>Development and Behavioral Pediatrics 24</em>(3), 140-147.

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Potegal, M., Kosorok, M.R., &amp; Davidson, R.J. (2003). Temper tantrums in young children: 1. Tantrum duration and temporal organization. Development and Behavioral Pediatrics 24(3), 148-154.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Well this took a bit longer than I’d planned…  WAY BACK in episode 11 I did Part 1 of a two-part series on tantrums, and was expecting to release the second episode in short order.  Then I got inundated with interviews from awesome guests, which I always wanted to release as soon as I could after I spoke with them, and months have gone by without releasing that second episode.

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<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/tantrums-part-1/">Episode 11</a> provided a lot of background information on tantrums: a seminal study in 1931 really forms the basis for all the research on tantrums that has been done since then, so we went through it in some depth to understand what those researchers found – I was surprised that so much of the information was still relevant to parents today.

&nbsp;

This episode considers the more recent literature – of which there actually isn’t a huge amount – to help us understand what’s going on during a tantrum, how to deal with them once they start, and how to potentially head them off before they even fully develop (don’t we all want that?!).<span id="more-1533"></span>

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Denham, S.A., &amp; Burton, R. (2003). Social and emotional prevention and intervention programming for preschoolers. New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum.

<hr />

Green, J.A., Whitney, P.G., &amp; Potegal, M. (2011). Screaming, yelling, whining, and crying: Categorical and intensity differences in vocal expressions of anger and sadness in children’s tantrums. <em>Emotion 11</em>(5), 1124-1133. DOI: 10.1037/a0024173

<hr />

Levine, L.J. (1995). Young children’s understanding of the causes of anger and sadness. Child Development 66(2), 697-709.

<hr />

LeVine, R., &amp; LeVine, S. (2016). <em>Do parents matter? Why Japanese babies sleep soundly, Mexican siblings don’t fight, and American families should just relax.</em> New York: Public Affairs.

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Lieberman, M.D., Eisenberger, N.E., Crockett, M.J., Tom, S.M., Pfeifer, J.H., &amp; Way, B.M. (2007). Putting feelings into words: Affect labeling disrupts amygdala activity in response to affective stimuli. <em>Psychological Science 18</em>(5), 421-428.

<hr />

Parens, H. (1987). Aggression in our children: Coping with it constructively. Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson.

<hr />

Potegal, M., &amp; Davidson, R.J. (1997). Young children’s post tantrum affiliation with their parents. <em>Aggressive Behavior 23</em>, 329-341.

<hr />

Potegal, M., &amp; Davidson, R.J. (2003). Temper tantrums in young children: 1. Behavioral composition. <em>Development and Behavioral Pediatrics 24</em>(3), 140-147.

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Potegal, M., Kosorok, M.R., &amp; Davidson, R.J. (2003). Temper tantrums in young children: 1. Tantrum duration and temporal organization. Development and Behavioral Pediatrics 24(3), 148-154.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/tantrumspart2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1533</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2017 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c5543dee-e1d6-49d1-a710-76cf42ea3ebb/tantrums-part-2.mp3" length="15846078" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>33</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>33</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/db31b515-7c8c-46a8-b9bf-9f8ec7c0cc65/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>032: Free to learn</title><itunes:title>032: Free to learn</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Professor Peter Gray was primarily interested in the motivations and emotions of animals before his son Scott started struggling in school, at which point Professor Gray’s interests shifted to developing our understanding of self-directed learning and how play helps us to learn.  He has extensively studied the learning that occurs at the Sudbury Valley School in Sudbury Valley, MA – where children are free to associate with whomever they like, don’t have to take any classes at all, and yet go on college and to satisfying lives as adults.  How can this possibly be?  We’ll find out.

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<strong>Reference</strong>

Gray, P (2013). <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fkg8sR" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Free to learn: Why unleashing the instinct to play will make our children happier, more self-reliant, and better students for life</a>. New York, NY: Basic Books. (Affiliate link)

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Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.78">[00:00:39]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we get going with our awesome guest Professor Peter Gray, who’s going to talk with us about self-directed learning, I wanted to let you know that if what Peter says resonates with you, then I’m on the verge of launching a course to help parents decide whether homeschooling might be right for their family. I first started to think about homeschooling after I realized that I’d been doing everything I could to help my job to pursue learning for its own sake and engage in self-directed learning. But the more I read about school, the more I realized that at schooled, there really is no such thing as self-directed learning. Children learn what they’re told to learn when they’re told to learn it because that’s just how schools work. I mentioned in the episode on Betsy DeVos that I actually wrote my master’s thesis on what motivates children to learn in the absence of being told to do it and I was shocked to find that the system used in schools is pretty much the opposite of one that would really nurture children’s own love of learning.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.93">[00:01:36]</a></u>

I did a lot of reading about learning and also about homeschooling and I developed the course because I realized that nobody had really collected all that information up in one place in a way that helps parents to understand the universe of information that needs to be considered to make this decision and also to support them through that process. Right now I’m recruiting people who’d be interested in helping me to pilot test the course. You get full access to all the research I’ve done on homeschooling based on over 50 books and 150 scientific research papers as well as interviews with more than 20 families who are already homeschooling and seven experts in the field. If you’d like to learn more, then please drop me an email at jen@yourparentingmojo.com And I’ll send you some information about it with no obligation to sign up. The cost to participate in the pilot will be $99, which will be half the cost of the course once it’s released to the general public and all I’d ask you to do in exchange is to share your honest thoughts of how the course worked for you, so please let me know if you’re interested. Again, that email address is jen@yourparentingmojo.com.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=155.581">[00:02:35]</a></u>

Now, let’s get going with our interview. Today we’re joined by Peter Gray, who is a research professor of psychology at Boston College. Professor Gray was primarily interested in the motivations and emotions of animals before his son Scott started struggling in school, at which point professor Gray interest shifted to developing and understanding of self directed and how play helps us to learn. Professor Gray is the author of a textbook on general psychology that’s now in its seventh edition, as well as the book Free to Learn: Why Unleashing the Instinct to Play Will Make Our Children Better, Happier, More Self-Reliant, and Better Students for Life. Welcome Professor Gray.

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.66">[00:03:17]</a></u>

I’m glad to be here.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.34">[00:03:19]</a></u>

Thank you. So let’s start with kind of a thorny question. Why, why do we have schools? I went to school and I think you went to school and in many ways it seems like it’s just something that is part of our lives. How did we get to this point?

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=214.74">[00:03:34]</a></u>

Yeah, that’s exactly right. It is part of our lives. It’s been part of our parents’ lives most, most for most of us, our grandparents; some of us, our great grandparents all went to school. It’s really, you know, schools as we know them today first appeared really in the late 17th century during the Protestant reformation, the Protestant reformers believed that it was very important for children to learn how to read so they could read the Bible. They believed that it was important for every human being to read the Bible for themselves. And so teaching reading was part of it, and in fact, the Bible or some primer version of the Bible was sort of the text that children learn from, but beyond teaching reading, at least as important to these reformers was to teach obedience, and not just to teach to read the Bible, but to teach children to believe the Bible, indoctrination, biblical indoctrination.

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.41">[00:04:52]</a></u>

So obedience training, indoctrination, reading: these were the primary purposes of, um, of the early schools. The leader in the formation of such schools was the German Republic of Prussia. And the person, if, if there’s a single father, if you will, of a modern day schooling, it would be August Hermann Francke, who was a pietist priest, a pietist or one of the, one of the, uh, the sect, of Protestantism, who was really in charge of starting schools in Prussia. So this was really the first, a widespread compulsory school system where children had to go to school. Uh, it wasn’t nearly as extensive as today. It wasn’t nearly as many days of the year or years of a child’s life, but for a certain number of years, children were expected to go school for a certain number of weeks.

Dr. Gray:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=359.29">[00:05:59]</a></u>

Um, the goal, the stated goal by Francke of his schools was to suppress children’s will remember, remember that at that time, willfulness was regarded as sinfulness. Children, human beings are born in sin. And a primary goal of education is to sort of, if you will beat the sinfulness of children. And that was very clearly the goal of these schools and so today, of course we don’t, most of us don’t think of that as the purpose of schools. But the fact of the matter is those schools founded by, by Francke and by other Protestant leaders elsewhere, including in the United States, in the colonies, I should say. And again, in the 17th century, Massachusetts was the first colony to have a compulsory schooling for at least some of its children. And again, they were Protestant schools. The reader was called the Little Bible of New England. It was based on biblical stories and the whole purpose of the tax was to insert the fear of God into little children.

Dr. Gray:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.95">[00:07:15]</a></u>

All kinds of ditties about how you will go to hell if you tell a lie and all sorts of things and the importance of obedience to your parents and to the school master and ultimately of course to God. So obedience was the big lesson and um, and that’s really where schools began and schools were well designed to teach obedience and to indoctrinate children in Biblical doctrine. They, the many number of children all in the same class, all doing the same thing at the same time. The primary job is to do exactly what you’re told to do. You don’t question the assignment, here are your job is to do the assignment, no questions asked. In fact, it’s quite impertinent to ask why you should be doing this. And that’s still true today. The mode of punishment has generally changed.

Dr. Gray:...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Professor Peter Gray was primarily interested in the motivations and emotions of animals before his son Scott started struggling in school, at which point Professor Gray’s interests shifted to developing our understanding of self-directed learning and how play helps us to learn.  He has extensively studied the learning that occurs at the Sudbury Valley School in Sudbury Valley, MA – where children are free to associate with whomever they like, don’t have to take any classes at all, and yet go on college and to satisfying lives as adults.  How can this possibly be?  We’ll find out.

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<strong>Reference</strong>

Gray, P (2013). <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fkg8sR" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Free to learn: Why unleashing the instinct to play will make our children happier, more self-reliant, and better students for life</a>. New York, NY: Basic Books. (Affiliate link)

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Also see Professor Gray’s extensive posts on learning and education on the <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Psychology Today</a> blog.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Before we get going with our awesome guest Professor Peter Gray, who’s going to talk with us about self-directed learning, I wanted to let you know that if what Peter says resonates with you, then I’m on the verge of launching a course to help parents decide whether homeschooling might be right for their family. I first started to think about homeschooling after I realized that I’d been doing everything I could to help my job to pursue learning for its own sake and engage in self-directed learning. But the more I read about school, the more I realized that at schooled, there really is no such thing as self-directed learning. Children learn what they’re told to learn when they’re told to learn it because that’s just how schools work. I mentioned in the episode on Betsy DeVos that I actually wrote my master’s thesis on what motivates children to learn in the absence of being told to do it and I was shocked to find that the system used in schools is pretty much the opposite of one that would really nurture children’s own love of learning.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.93">[00:01:36]</a></u>

I did a lot of reading about learning and also about homeschooling and I developed the course because I realized that nobody had really collected all that information up in one place in a way that helps parents to understand the universe of information that needs to be considered to make this decision and also to support them through that process. Right now I’m recruiting people who’d be interested in helping me to pilot test the course. You get full access to all the research I’ve done on homeschooling based on over 50 books and 150 scientific research papers as well as interviews with more than 20 families who are already homeschooling and seven experts in the field. If you’d like to learn more, then please drop me an email at jen@yourparentingmojo.com And I’ll send you some information about it with no obligation to sign up. The cost to participate in the pilot will be $99, which will be half the cost of the course once it’s released to the general public and all I’d ask you to do in exchange is to share your honest thoughts of how the course worked for you, so please let me know if you’re interested. Again, that email address is jen@yourparentingmojo.com.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=155.581">[00:02:35]</a></u>

Now, let’s get going with our interview. Today we’re joined by Peter Gray, who is a research professor of psychology at Boston College. Professor Gray was primarily interested in the motivations and emotions of animals before his son Scott started struggling in school, at which point professor Gray interest shifted to developing and understanding of self directed and how play helps us to learn. Professor Gray is the author of a textbook on general psychology that’s now in its seventh edition, as well as the book Free to Learn: Why Unleashing the Instinct to Play Will Make Our Children Better, Happier, More Self-Reliant, and Better Students for Life. Welcome Professor Gray.

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.66">[00:03:17]</a></u>

I’m glad to be here.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.34">[00:03:19]</a></u>

Thank you. So let’s start with kind of a thorny question. Why, why do we have schools? I went to school and I think you went to school and in many ways it seems like it’s just something that is part of our lives. How did we get to this point?

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=214.74">[00:03:34]</a></u>

Yeah, that’s exactly right. It is part of our lives. It’s been part of our parents’ lives most, most for most of us, our grandparents; some of us, our great grandparents all went to school. It’s really, you know, schools as we know them today first appeared really in the late 17th century during the Protestant reformation, the Protestant reformers believed that it was very important for children to learn how to read so they could read the Bible. They believed that it was important for every human being to read the Bible for themselves. And so teaching reading was part of it, and in fact, the Bible or some primer version of the Bible was sort of the text that children learn from, but beyond teaching reading, at least as important to these reformers was to teach obedience, and not just to teach to read the Bible, but to teach children to believe the Bible, indoctrination, biblical indoctrination.

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.41">[00:04:52]</a></u>

So obedience training, indoctrination, reading: these were the primary purposes of, um, of the early schools. The leader in the formation of such schools was the German Republic of Prussia. And the person, if, if there’s a single father, if you will, of a modern day schooling, it would be August Hermann Francke, who was a pietist priest, a pietist or one of the, one of the, uh, the sect, of Protestantism, who was really in charge of starting schools in Prussia. So this was really the first, a widespread compulsory school system where children had to go to school. Uh, it wasn’t nearly as extensive as today. It wasn’t nearly as many days of the year or years of a child’s life, but for a certain number of years, children were expected to go school for a certain number of weeks.

Dr. Gray:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=359.29">[00:05:59]</a></u>

Um, the goal, the stated goal by Francke of his schools was to suppress children’s will remember, remember that at that time, willfulness was regarded as sinfulness. Children, human beings are born in sin. And a primary goal of education is to sort of, if you will beat the sinfulness of children. And that was very clearly the goal of these schools and so today, of course we don’t, most of us don’t think of that as the purpose of schools. But the fact of the matter is those schools founded by, by Francke and by other Protestant leaders elsewhere, including in the United States, in the colonies, I should say. And again, in the 17th century, Massachusetts was the first colony to have a compulsory schooling for at least some of its children. And again, they were Protestant schools. The reader was called the Little Bible of New England. It was based on biblical stories and the whole purpose of the tax was to insert the fear of God into little children.

Dr. Gray:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.95">[00:07:15]</a></u>

All kinds of ditties about how you will go to hell if you tell a lie and all sorts of things and the importance of obedience to your parents and to the school master and ultimately of course to God. So obedience was the big lesson and um, and that’s really where schools began and schools were well designed to teach obedience and to indoctrinate children in Biblical doctrine. They, the many number of children all in the same class, all doing the same thing at the same time. The primary job is to do exactly what you’re told to do. You don’t question the assignment, here are your job is to do the assignment, no questions asked. In fact, it’s quite impertinent to ask why you should be doing this. And that’s still true today. The mode of punishment has generally changed.

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=504.23">[00:08:24]</a></u>

In the early days, the primary mode of punishment was to beat the child. If the child didn’t learn what he or she was supposed to do; today we’re more likely in one way or another to shame the child by comparison, comparing them with other children and giving them the oppression that they’re stupid compared to other children we grade them. And so on and so forth. Although physical beating still does really occur in some American schools, is not nearly as prevalent as it was at that time, but we’re stuck with this system that was designed to teach obedience and to indoctrinate children. When the schools were taken over by the states, is the power of religions declined and power states increased, the method of schooling remained the same and more or less the goals of schooling remained. The the same; it was still obedience training; the states wanted to be and subjects, if you will, uh, and um, and the doc in the doctrine nation was not a doctrine of the Bible, but the doctrine of the state.

Dr. Gray:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=573.81">[00:09:33]</a></u>

So nationalism, belief in the, in the wonderful history of the culture that you are growing up and, and, uh, about how you’re surrounded by enemies became part of the doctrine, certainly in Germany and certainly in much of Europe and to a considerable degree in the United States as well. Over time the curriculum changed in various ways and we now look at schools for teaching all kinds of things. But the methods did not change. We still have the system of a bunch of kids, you know, somewhere between 20 and 40 kids in a classroom. They’re all sitting in rows looking at the teacher in front of them. And the job is to unquestioningly do what the teacher tells you to do. And in fact, it’s still the case today that really and truly the only way you can fail in school is by not doing what you’re told to do.

Dr. Gray: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.03">[00:10:32]</a></u>             A

nd so obedience is absolutely still the primary lesson of school. It may not be consciously what teachers think is the primary lessons, but it clearly is. You cannot pass in school if you don’t do what you’re told to do, nor can you fail if you do what you’re told to do. The lessons are never very difficult, but they are tedious and it requires a lot of willingness to go through them and do what you’re told to do. And so still obedience is the primary skill that’s being taught in school. So here we are, interestingly, we’re in a world in which many people at least believe that the characteristics that are important for children to develop are things like creativity, critical thinking, curiosity, lifelong interest in learning and so on, but we have schools that were the not developed for those purposes.

Dr. Gray:      <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=691.72">[00:11:31]</a></u>

In fact, they were developed quite explicitly to suppress those characteristics and promote obedience and the memorization and feedback of doctrine. So that’s where we are. It’s a historical…there’s no good scientific reason for why we have such schools, given most people’s beliefs about what education should be about today, but it’s a historical reason. We human beings are creatures of social norms so we tend to do what was done to us and over, um, over historical time, schools have increased in their influence, in the sense that they take more and more of children’s lives. They take more and more of their day, more and more of, of their year, more and more years are spent and compulsory schooling. Um, but the basic system has not changed.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=750.33">[00:12:30]</a></u>

It’s almost mind boggling to me that we didn’t choose this system; those of us who are today or the last generation or even the generation before that; that it came from something so long ago that had such a different purpose. And I’m reminded of the William Faulkner quote: “The past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past.”

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=773.03">[00:12:53]</a></u>

Exactly.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=773.221">[00:12:53]</a></u>

It’s almost like we don’t really fully understand why we got here and while we’re in it, until we’re out of it and can kind of look back on it. So you raised a number of points in and your kind of introductory remarks and I went to get into a couple of them a little bit. I had always thought/assumed. I guess that the purpose of schools was to help young people develop to their full potential, um, I guess intellectually/academically and socially as well to some extent, and to help even out the discrepancies in opportunities that children have when they come from different backgrounds. But it seems as though that was not the purpose of schools. And so I guess maybe we shouldn’t be surprised when they don’t do that very well, right?

Dr. Gray:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=819.31">[00:13:39]</a></u>

Yeah, I think that’s right. That was certainly was not the original purpose of schools. I think for some time what you just described is the stated purpose of schools and, and certainly I don’t want to be too harsh on people who go into teaching or become educators. My mother was a school teacher, really have a sister who was a school teacher.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=839.851">[00:13:59]</a></u>

My father was a school teacher…

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=840.821">[00:14:00]</a></u>

And so on. These are wonderful people. These are people who, you know, who went into this because they really want to help children and so on. But as I say, they’re stuck with this system. I do think that, for decades really, even for certainly more than probably since the, since the beginning of the 20th century, most people talking about schools in the United States talk about them as sort of the great equalizer.

Dr. Gray:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=875.64">[00:14:35]</a></u>

I mean, ideally the great equalizer, you know, whether you’re rich or poor, you have a public school to go to. And the ideal at least is that the public schools should provide the same education to everybody, whether you’re rich or poor. It shouldn’t be the great equalizer. I think also many people, um, you know, today, this doesn’t ring so ideal as it did sometime ago, but the idea of schools as, as homogenizers, you know, we are a country of immigrants. People come from different, came from different parts of the world with different sets of beliefs, different languages and so on. And part of the belief supporting schools was that we want to make everybody into an American. You know, there’s, there’s both the good and the bad side of that depending on how you look at it. But the idea that we, we have a common language, everybody’s going to speak English if they go through the public school, everybody’s going to have sort of the same concepts of history, everybody’s going to learn a little bit about the principles of American democracy. Everybody’s going to read some of the same literature and so on, and we will have a common culture as a result of that. I know people even today who strongly defend the public school system on grounds like that, and I can relate to that. I can understand why people would feel that the problem is that it, um, whether or not it ever worked very well for those purposes, it clearly isn’t working very well for those purposes today. And I don’t think it ever worked very well for those purposes. It does in some sense of homogenize, but I think that the acquisition of American culture is going to require going to come for people who live in America anyway.

Dr. Gray:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-gZMLd1_NxlN_SFKvrRjOIXK_9qyzSpZo_WFuAXeH6QQaMPK0uenWHGmXJJQ4kgCw7vHDNVwplw1E2H0wVWHMRKzNOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=986.45">[00:16:26]</a></u>

And the idea that, um, that it’s the great equalizer has certainly not panned out very well. It’s very clear that… Everybody, everybody in education is, and for long time has been concerned about the so called education gap. Kids from poor families do not do as well in school, do not succeed as well in school. The school system in some sense fails them compared to kids from Richard families. There is always exceptions. There’s always that rare kid you know, who grew up in the ghetto, if I may use that...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/freetolearn]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1529</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 22:59:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/67055973-85b1-4852-8843-6f6e788953d2/free-to-learn.mp3" length="31296513" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Professor Peter Gray was primarily interested in the motivations and emotions of animals before his son Scott started struggling in school, at which point Professor Gray’s interests shifted to developing our understanding of self-directed learning and how play helps us to learn.  He has extensively studied the learning that occurs at the Sudbury Valley School in Sudbury Valley, MA - where children are free to associate with whomever they like, don&apos;t have to take any classes at all, and yet go on college and to satisfying lives as adults.  How can this possibly be?  We&apos;ll find out.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</title><itunes:title>031: Parenting beyond pink and blue</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Today I join forces with Malaika Dower of the <a href="http://www.htgawp.com">How to Get Away with Parenting</a> podcast to interview Dr. Christia Brown, who is a Professor of Developmental and Social Psychology at the University of Kentucky, where she studies the development of gender identity and children’s experience of gender discrimination.

Dr. Brown’s book, <a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN">Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue</a> (Affiliate link), helps parents to really understand the scientific research around gender differences in children, which is a harder task than with some other topics because there’s just a lot of <em>bad research</em> out there on this one.  I ask about theories of gender development while Malaika keeps us grounded with questions about how this stuff works in the real world, and we both resolve to shift our behavior toward our daughters just a little bit.<span id="more-1526"></span>

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Brown, C.S. (2014). <a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN">Parenting beyond pink and blue</a>. Berkeley, CA: Ten Speed Press. (Affiliate link)

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Taylor, M.G., Rhodes, M., &amp; Gelman, S.A. (2009). Boys will be boys and cows will be cows: Children’s essentialist reasoning about gender categories and animal species. Child Development 80(2), 461-481. DOI: <a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1467-8624.2009.01272.x" target="pmc_ext" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01272.x</a>

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Jen: 00:30

Hello and welcome to Your Parenting Mojo. We have a pretty cool show lined up for you today. So those of you who are subscribed to my podcasts by my website at YourParentingMojo.com might've seen a notification go out just before the holiday, letting you know that had been interviewed by Malaika Dower, who is the host of the podcast, How to Get Away with Parenting. And as a side note, I'll say that Malaika is interested in a lot of the same issues as I am. So you should go and check out her show and if you're the parent of a child of color then you should pause this show and go and check out her show at howtogetawaywithparenting.com right now because there are very few podcasts for this audience and hers is a really good one. So right after we recorded our episode, Malaika texted me and said, did you ever think about doing an episode on gender-neutral parenting? Does it even make a difference if I put barrettes in my daughter's hair and put her in pink dresses or if she only wears pants and I always say "yes, our neighbor is writing down his riding down the street" on her bike rather than "he or she is riding her bike." So like I always do, I looked around to see who's doing really good work on the subject by which I mean work that is actually based on the outcomes of real scientific research and not a study saying that girl babies hear about one decibel better than boy babies for very high pitch noises and that this is enough justification for gender segregated classrooms where we never let the noise get too loud in the girls classroom and I wish that I was kidding you about that, but I'm really not. So when I read the book, Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue and I found that it critically examines the relevant scientific literature on this subject, much like we do here on the show, I knew that I had to ask the author to talk with us. Dr. Christia Brown is professor of development and social psychology at the University of Kentucky where she studies the development of gender identity and children's experience of gender discrimination among other topics. Dr. Brown received her Ph.D from the University of Texas at Austin where her research focused on how and why children form gender and race stereotypes and how they understand gender discrimination. As I mentioned, Dr Brown's book is called Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue: How to Raise your Kids Free of Gender Stereotypes. Welcome Dr Brown, and also welcome to Malaika Dower, who's going to be our co-interviewer today.

Malaika: 02:36

Hi!

Dr. Brown: 02:36

Thank you.

Jen: 02:37

All right, so let's start with the big question.

Jen: 02:41

Is there a genetic difference between the brains of very young boys and girls? Can you talk us through that a little bit please?

Dr. Brown: 02:47

I can. I mean there are, I mean obviously there are genetic differences between boys and girls, is that when you start to really look at brain differences, there aren't very many and there definitely aren't many when you look at young children. So yes, there are some differences between adults. The problem is they've had an entire lifetime of different experiences and there's lots of evidence that all those experiences shape the brain in very concrete structural ways. So when you're talking about what are these of biological differences early in life, there are very, very few and there's far more differences between individual boys and individual girls then between boys and girls as a group.

Jen: 03:31

Wow. Uh, okay. So you said two really big things there. Firstly, that the experiences that we have in our lives physically shape our brains, so that adults have very different brains than they did as children. Is that right?

Dr. Brown: 03:45

That's exactly right.

Jen: 03:46

Okay. And then secondly that there are some differences between boys and girls, but the overall difference between boys and girls is far less than the difference between two individual boys or an individual boy and an individual girl, is that right?

Dr. Brown: 04:05

Right. So I mean the idea that knowing someone's gender doesn't help you very much predict even what their brain looks like structurally. So it definitely doesn't help you predict what kind of behaviors or interests or activities they're going to like doing. Neuroscientists even say their brains don't look different. I mean they talk about it as more of like a brain mosaic and that there's parts of kind of stereotypical boy parts and parts of girl parts all within every individual's brain. It's not this pink and blue dichotomy that we often like to think it is.

Jen: 04:38

Hmm. Okay. So when we start to think about some of the topics where we imagine this being important; I'm thinking that start with temperament, temperament and emotion...what does that mean for differences if there are any.

Dr. Brown: 04:55

There aren't any when it comes to emotion. And I'll say Janet Hyde does really great research, so she's a developmental psychologist, and she has done a lot of meta-analyses on these. So when I say that there aren't differences, it's not based on like one or two studies, not finding differences. She's taking kind of every study that's ever been done looking for a gender difference and puts them all into one pot and then kind of analyze as across...She has one study, looked across a million something kids. So when I say there's no difference, it's really based on hundreds of studies and they found that there aren't differences in emotion, there aren't differences in temperament in between boys and girls. The one difference you see that's, it's not big, but it is, I think what I would say, you know, an actual difference is boys have a little bit of a higher activity level like infant boys and they're a little bit more impulsive, so a little bit more likely to kind of reach out and grab something when they're infants compared to girls. Again, it's a small difference and it's just a mean level difference. So it doesn't really predict my individual daughter who's going to reach out and grab something in the grocery store so doesn't really help me as a parent. But as new looking at lots of groups, you see a little bit of a difference there but not when it comes to like emotional expression or who feel sad or who feels happy and how upset you get that, there's not a difference at all.

Jen: 06:22

And so when we think about math, I've been doing a lot of reading on this right now, in terms of girls' ability to do math and that their ability actually seems fairly congruent with a boy's ability to do math, but the boy's confidence in his ability to do math is much higher. Why is that?

Dr. Brown: 06:42

Well, I mean kids really early. No, the stereotype that boys are good at math. I mean there've been studies that show it was like five and six know that stereotype. So by the time they're starting school, when they're actually doing math, they know that boys are supposed to be good at this and girls are less good at it. So I think when you think that you're going to be good, that does a lot to increase your own competence and reduce your anxiety about the subject. Whereas girls kind of go in thinking, yeah, might be doing well in class, but I'm not really good at math.

Malaika: 07:14

Just generally sort of the intervention of that. So if we're parents that are trying to intervene in that, where should we step in? And does reinforcement help, so I have a daughter and I want to make sure that she feels like she is good at math or that that's not even a question of being good or bad, just here's math, I will do it, kind of thing. Where if we know already that by five or six they, they have that feeling for me, trying to either counteract that sentiment in girls. Where would I start on? How...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Today I join forces with Malaika Dower of the <a href="http://www.htgawp.com">How to Get Away with Parenting</a> podcast to interview Dr. Christia Brown, who is a Professor of Developmental and Social Psychology at the University of Kentucky, where she studies the development of gender identity and children’s experience of gender discrimination.

Dr. Brown’s book, <a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN">Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue</a> (Affiliate link), helps parents to really understand the scientific research around gender differences in children, which is a harder task than with some other topics because there’s just a lot of <em>bad research</em> out there on this one.  I ask about theories of gender development while Malaika keeps us grounded with questions about how this stuff works in the real world, and we both resolve to shift our behavior toward our daughters just a little bit.<span id="more-1526"></span>

<strong>Related Episodes</strong>

<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialgroups/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Interview with Yarrow Dunham on how social groups form</a>

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<strong>References</strong>

Brown, C.S. (2014). <a href="http://amzn.to/2H13YlN">Parenting beyond pink and blue</a>. Berkeley, CA: Ten Speed Press. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Taylor, M.G., Rhodes, M., &amp; Gelman, S.A. (2009). Boys will be boys and cows will be cows: Children’s essentialist reasoning about gender categories and animal species. Child Development 80(2), 461-481. DOI: <a href="https://dx.doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1467-8624.2009.01272.x" target="pmc_ext" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01272.x</a>

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Jen: 00:30

Hello and welcome to Your Parenting Mojo. We have a pretty cool show lined up for you today. So those of you who are subscribed to my podcasts by my website at YourParentingMojo.com might've seen a notification go out just before the holiday, letting you know that had been interviewed by Malaika Dower, who is the host of the podcast, How to Get Away with Parenting. And as a side note, I'll say that Malaika is interested in a lot of the same issues as I am. So you should go and check out her show and if you're the parent of a child of color then you should pause this show and go and check out her show at howtogetawaywithparenting.com right now because there are very few podcasts for this audience and hers is a really good one. So right after we recorded our episode, Malaika texted me and said, did you ever think about doing an episode on gender-neutral parenting? Does it even make a difference if I put barrettes in my daughter's hair and put her in pink dresses or if she only wears pants and I always say "yes, our neighbor is writing down his riding down the street" on her bike rather than "he or she is riding her bike." So like I always do, I looked around to see who's doing really good work on the subject by which I mean work that is actually based on the outcomes of real scientific research and not a study saying that girl babies hear about one decibel better than boy babies for very high pitch noises and that this is enough justification for gender segregated classrooms where we never let the noise get too loud in the girls classroom and I wish that I was kidding you about that, but I'm really not. So when I read the book, Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue and I found that it critically examines the relevant scientific literature on this subject, much like we do here on the show, I knew that I had to ask the author to talk with us. Dr. Christia Brown is professor of development and social psychology at the University of Kentucky where she studies the development of gender identity and children's experience of gender discrimination among other topics. Dr. Brown received her Ph.D from the University of Texas at Austin where her research focused on how and why children form gender and race stereotypes and how they understand gender discrimination. As I mentioned, Dr Brown's book is called Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue: How to Raise your Kids Free of Gender Stereotypes. Welcome Dr Brown, and also welcome to Malaika Dower, who's going to be our co-interviewer today.

Malaika: 02:36

Hi!

Dr. Brown: 02:36

Thank you.

Jen: 02:37

All right, so let's start with the big question.

Jen: 02:41

Is there a genetic difference between the brains of very young boys and girls? Can you talk us through that a little bit please?

Dr. Brown: 02:47

I can. I mean there are, I mean obviously there are genetic differences between boys and girls, is that when you start to really look at brain differences, there aren't very many and there definitely aren't many when you look at young children. So yes, there are some differences between adults. The problem is they've had an entire lifetime of different experiences and there's lots of evidence that all those experiences shape the brain in very concrete structural ways. So when you're talking about what are these of biological differences early in life, there are very, very few and there's far more differences between individual boys and individual girls then between boys and girls as a group.

Jen: 03:31

Wow. Uh, okay. So you said two really big things there. Firstly, that the experiences that we have in our lives physically shape our brains, so that adults have very different brains than they did as children. Is that right?

Dr. Brown: 03:45

That's exactly right.

Jen: 03:46

Okay. And then secondly that there are some differences between boys and girls, but the overall difference between boys and girls is far less than the difference between two individual boys or an individual boy and an individual girl, is that right?

Dr. Brown: 04:05

Right. So I mean the idea that knowing someone's gender doesn't help you very much predict even what their brain looks like structurally. So it definitely doesn't help you predict what kind of behaviors or interests or activities they're going to like doing. Neuroscientists even say their brains don't look different. I mean they talk about it as more of like a brain mosaic and that there's parts of kind of stereotypical boy parts and parts of girl parts all within every individual's brain. It's not this pink and blue dichotomy that we often like to think it is.

Jen: 04:38

Hmm. Okay. So when we start to think about some of the topics where we imagine this being important; I'm thinking that start with temperament, temperament and emotion...what does that mean for differences if there are any.

Dr. Brown: 04:55

There aren't any when it comes to emotion. And I'll say Janet Hyde does really great research, so she's a developmental psychologist, and she has done a lot of meta-analyses on these. So when I say that there aren't differences, it's not based on like one or two studies, not finding differences. She's taking kind of every study that's ever been done looking for a gender difference and puts them all into one pot and then kind of analyze as across...She has one study, looked across a million something kids. So when I say there's no difference, it's really based on hundreds of studies and they found that there aren't differences in emotion, there aren't differences in temperament in between boys and girls. The one difference you see that's, it's not big, but it is, I think what I would say, you know, an actual difference is boys have a little bit of a higher activity level like infant boys and they're a little bit more impulsive, so a little bit more likely to kind of reach out and grab something when they're infants compared to girls. Again, it's a small difference and it's just a mean level difference. So it doesn't really predict my individual daughter who's going to reach out and grab something in the grocery store so doesn't really help me as a parent. But as new looking at lots of groups, you see a little bit of a difference there but not when it comes to like emotional expression or who feel sad or who feels happy and how upset you get that, there's not a difference at all.

Jen: 06:22

And so when we think about math, I've been doing a lot of reading on this right now, in terms of girls' ability to do math and that their ability actually seems fairly congruent with a boy's ability to do math, but the boy's confidence in his ability to do math is much higher. Why is that?

Dr. Brown: 06:42

Well, I mean kids really early. No, the stereotype that boys are good at math. I mean there've been studies that show it was like five and six know that stereotype. So by the time they're starting school, when they're actually doing math, they know that boys are supposed to be good at this and girls are less good at it. So I think when you think that you're going to be good, that does a lot to increase your own competence and reduce your anxiety about the subject. Whereas girls kind of go in thinking, yeah, might be doing well in class, but I'm not really good at math.

Malaika: 07:14

Just generally sort of the intervention of that. So if we're parents that are trying to intervene in that, where should we step in? And does reinforcement help, so I have a daughter and I want to make sure that she feels like she is good at math or that that's not even a question of being good or bad, just here's math, I will do it, kind of thing. Where if we know already that by five or six they, they have that feeling for me, trying to either counteract that sentiment in girls. Where would I start on? How would I start to, to counteract that. Would I start when she's now she's not yet two by saying isn't math fun! And a kind of overflowing it or do I just kind of like figure out a way to show her women who are doing great at math and math is just the thing that we all have. How would you go about an intervention?

Dr. Brown: 08:11

Yeah, I mean I think all of the above. I mean, honestly, I mean we get this really cool study in that it was really cool because I wasn't the one who designed it, but I kind of came on later and it looked at how much parents of toddlers talk to their kids using just like the kind of numbers you used when you have toddlers. Like, oh look, you have four apple slices left. Oh there's three blue cars in a row. Look, there's five trees, that kind of thing. Let's count the stairs as we walk up them. Then that just kind of everyday casual number use. And what we found was that parents of toddlers, so parents of boys used numbers three times more than parents of daughters. And so in the world of psychology, a huge difference. I mean three times the amount is a lot and it's that casual use of early math.

Dr. Brown: 09:03

And so part of what I think for parents of toddlers is to be aware of how much you use math in just daily life. I think that's one of the reasons boys are more competent in math, is it's just part of their daily life all the time. So whatever you're doing, you're turning it into and just kind of casual math problem and the way that you just talked to your toddlers. I think that's part of it. I think, by the time they were about four and five, that's when I chose to really start talking about stereotypes about when they go to school and they start doing math in preschool or kindergarten and saying, you know what, I've heard that some people think boys are really good at math and girls are not good, but that is so wrong. So really explicitly addressing it that way when there's a boy in the second grade, that makes a comment because he's also absorbed the kind of stereotype that girls have a lens for understanding where that comment is coming from.

Dr. Brown: 10:02

So part of it's just like addressing it head on, but it is, it's also showing role models. It's talking about math. The other thing we know parents do is they assume that even when girls do well at math, it's because the girls worked really hard, whereas the boys are just naturally good. Parents try to offer help to the girls in math more than they offer it to boys. So partly I think for parents it's also just kind of being aware of your own kind of baggage you have about your own math ability and making sure that that's not filtering out into some presumed difference that you're how you're treating kids.

Jen: 10:39

I was actually just reading a study on that last night. There's a woman named Sian Blaylock out of...I think the University of Chicago who's done some research on this and found that if the mother particularly has a lot of emotional baggage around math, it can actually really impact the way the daughter particularly learns about math. So Malaika, were you confident with math when you were in school and do you feel confident with it now?

Malaika: 11:05

I wasn't, but my mom was. My mom is very good at math. She's a scientist, she's a doctor. She's so, she instilled in me a sort of love of figuring out and solving problems, but I still hold, I do hold that baggage of like, well, I'm not as good as my mom was. So, but I, I've heard studies like this before, so I've recently been sort of like, I'm going to get okay with it being good at math or I'm in an almost basically I've decided I'm going to lie to my daughter and say I love that. That's great because I don't want to... Even though my mom genuinely did feel that I still had, I think maybe the, the impact of others around me saying that I probably wasn't good at math maybe it might have affected me not being good at math or not liking that or math or being afraid of, of, you know, pursuing it further. I ended up doing advanced math and stuff in school, but that was more of a sort of track that I was on, but it wasn't something... I had a fear of it. And so yeah, my, my plan is just to lie to my daughter.

Jen: 12:06

It makes sure she doesn't catch you. I have an episode coming on lying to children and if they catch you it's bad news.

Malaika: 12:15

Well then my plan is to get good with math.

New Speaker: 12:16

Okay. Or get or get good at lying. Yeah. Okay. So that's really helpful. In terms of the math and the verbal abilities, I think there's a really definite stereotype that girls are better at reading and particularly better at talking as well. Is that it's kind of an inherent difference or how did, how it goes even get that idea in the first place.

Dr. Brown: 12:38

I'm not sure. It's actually has been in popular culture for a long time, but there have also been meta-analyses on that that show there are really no differences in, for example, who's more talkative boys or girls. We really talk the exact same amount. Where are the difference does seem to be is that girls develop language and kind of first words a little bit earlier than boys do. So you know we're talking months, not a year, but girls say their first word a couple of months on average before boys do, but that's just really the starting point. Boys catch up so there aren't reliable differences between verbal abilities between boys and girls. It's really just that kind of first words is where you see it.

Jen: 13:29

I wonder if that leads parents to, you know, when the girl is the first one to speak and oh, she's a girl, she's really chatty, and then it kind of just snowballs from there and becomes a self reinforcing stereotype. Is that possible?

Dr. Brown: 13:41

It's completely possible. I think that's where most mean, that's really where most of these differences eventually come from is that parents kind of presume that there's this difference and there's this little morsel of a difference, but parents are...it feeds into kind of what they think boys and girls are like. And so very accidentally they kind of play out these stereotypes. So we see that parents talked to infant girls more than they talk to boys. They just use more language with them so they just get more verbal input than sons do. And so, you know, of course they're going to have kind of differences then in terms of some types of language tasks later on.

Jen: 14:22

Hm. Wow. That's, that's incredible. I mean, I only have one child and that's the way I'm planning on having it stay, so I can't make a case study on this, but the fact that, that I might have unconsciously treated my daughter differently than I would have treated a son is sort of mind boggling to me. Malaika, what do you think about it?

Malaika: 14:43

Yeah, I mean, I definitely have. My daughter is talkative. She's not yet two when she's speaking in full sentences. And I definitely been like, oh, well I'm talkative and my mom's talkative and so it's just the women in our family... I've just, that example alone kind of stuck with me. But I have found that there's times when I. where I wonder, um, I think I told you Jen about just the time that she knew my daughters, so almost bald. She doesn't have much hair so I don't have to do her hair. But one time I put a barrette in her hair, and I generally dress her...in what would be, what are, what are boys clothes because I buy them from the boys section, but I consider them just like plain clothes. I don't particularly dress her in any colorful dresses unless we're maybe going to church or something, but for the most part she's always wearing boys clothes and I put a barette in her hair once and I immediately felt internally this sense of femininity, like coming from her a 20 month old child and I was like, oh my gosh, she looks like a girl now and I now I see the difference and I didn't realize that I had, I think I have been treating her like a boy because I dress her like a boy. And I wondered, you know, kind of like, oh, I, I think you mentioned before a lot of this stuff is the baggage the parent has. And I didn't even realize I had all of this baggage about femininity and masculinity in a toddler, you know, so I don't know how to undo it, I guess.

Dr. Brown: 16:09

Yeah. I mean there's a great kind of classic study where they brought a baby into a lab and they dress. This is the exact same baby. They dress in the baby and pink clothes and called her Beth and then they had these participants come in and just interact with the baby and then they coded what it looks like. Then the other time they would dress it in blue and I think they named the Baby Adam. Again, the exact same baby. All that was different was what clothes they put them in and yeah, the adults that were interacting with the baby were talking about how cute and pretty and delicate at what this child was dressed in pink, but when the exact same child was dressed in blue, they made comments about how strong and tough and we're more kind of physical with the baby.

Jen: 16:49

Wow.

Dr. Brown: 16:50

And it's really subtle. I don't think any parent goes into it thinking, oh, I'm going to treat my daughters differently than my sons. I think it's just we're also products of the culture. I mean I wrote a book on it. I'm still a product of the culture. I have to fight it, like aware of it myself because we also lived here and we grew up hearing in the same kind of messages and internalizing it and we have our own implicit biases even though we don't really believe them, they're just embedded in that part of our brain that, you know, internalized I'm not very good at math. I mean I have that and my husband jokes because I have my minor, my Ph.D Minors and Statistics, but I would say I'm not very good at math and so you could, you know, it's like this internalized idea I had as a]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/pink]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1526</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/20270866-2ab9-40cc-9f9a-1ccc0c773e4b/parenting-beyond-pink-and-blue.mp3" length="50673354" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Today I join forces with Malaika Dower of the How to Get Away with Parenting podcast to interview Dr. Christia Brown, who is a Professor of Developmental and Social Psychology at the University of Kentucky, where she studies the development of gender identity and children’s experience of gender discrimination.

Dr. Brown&apos;s book, Parenting Beyond Pink and Blue, helps parents to really understand the scientific research around gender differences in children, which is a harder task than with some other topics because there&apos;s just a lot of bad research out there on this one.  I ask about theories of gender development while Malaika keeps us grounded with questions about how this stuff works in the real world, and we both resolve to shift our behavior toward our daughters just a little bit.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>030: On Education (And on Betsy DeVos)</title><itunes:title>030: On Education (And on Betsy DeVos)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I’ve thought about doing this episode for a while but I sat on it for a few weeks because it’s still in motion.  But now Betsy DeVos is confirmed as Secretary of Education I wanted to offer some thoughts on her work on educational issues, charter schools, as well as on the topic of schools more broadly.

Spoiler alert: I graduated from my Master’s program!  And I wrote my thesis on what motivates children to learn in the absence of a formal curriculum, so we also talk a bit about whether schools as we know them, and specifically curriculum-based learning, is the best way to serve our children’s learning.

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Achieve (2015, May 14). New report highlights large gaps between state test results and 2013 NAEP results. Retrieved from: http://achieve.org/new-report-highlights-large-gaps-between-state-test-results-and-2013-naep-results

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Angrist, J.D., Cohides, S.R., Dynarski, S.M., Pathak, P.A., &amp; Walters, C.D. (2013). Charter schools and the road to college readiness: The effects on college preparation, attendance, and choice. Full report available at: <a href="http://www.tbf.org/~/media/TBFOrg/Files/Reports/Charters%20and%20College%20Readiness%202013.pdf">http://www.tbf.org/~/media/TBFOrg/Files/Reports/Charters%20and%20College%20Readiness%202013.pdf</a>

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Camera, L. (2016, May 17). More than 60 years after Brown v. Board of Education, discrimination still exists. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-17/after-brown-v-board-of-education-school-segregation-still-exists">https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-17/after-brown-v-board-of-education-school-segregation-still-exists</a>

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Center for Research on Education Outcomes (2015). Urban charter school study report on 41 regions. Full report available at: <a href="https://urbancharters.stanford.edu/download/Urban%20Charter%20School%20Study%20Report%20on%2041%20Regions.pdf">https://urbancharters.stanford.edu/download/Urban%20Charter%20School%20Study%20Report%20on%2041%20Regions.pdf</a>

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Gleason, P., Clark, M., Tuttle, C.C., Dwoyer, E., &amp; Silverberg, M. (2010). The evaluation of charter school impacts. Full report available at: <a href="https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/20104029/pdf/20104029.pdf">https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/20104029/pdf/20104029.pdf</a>

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Wermund, B. (2016, December 2). Trump’s education pick says reform can ‘advance God’s Kingdom’. Politico. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-education-trump-religion-232150">http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-education-trump-religion-232150</a>

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Zernike, K. (2016, June 18). A sea of charter schools in Detroit leaves students adrift. The New York Times. Retrieved from: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/for-detroits-children-more-school-choice-but-not-better-schools.html

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I had the idea to do this episode a few weeks back, but I sort of sat on it for a bit – in part because it’s such a complex issue.  Not that I’m any stranger to researching and writing and talking about complex issues, but because this one is still in motion and no-one really knows yet how it will turn out.  So today we’re going to talk a bit about the education system in the U.S. and how it got to be where it is at the moment, and what Betsy DeVos might do with it.  The point I want to make with this episode is ‘what if the focus on which kind of school is the right kind’ is the wrong question to ask?

And, not entirely coincidentally, I also wanted to let you know that I’m launching a course to help parents who are thinking about homeschooling their children to decide whether homeschooling could actually be the right thing for their families.  It’ll cover all the aspects of making that decision, from understanding whether homeschooling is legal in your area to how you’ll still be able to afford your mortgage; from whether you need to understand everything your child needs to know before you even begin to whether homeschooled children can get into college.  Right now I’m looking for a few people who are interested in this to help me pilot test the course – so you would take the course and let me know what you think of it, through email feedback or a phone conversation with me.  In exchange for your opinions I’m offering a steep discount – the cost for the pilot will be $99, which will be a 50% discount on the full price of the course once it’s finished.  If you’d like more details, with no obligation to sign up, do send me an email at jen@yourparentingmojo.com.

I should probably also mention that I graduated from my master’s program; for those of you who haven’t been following along since the beginning I launched this podcast as a way to share some of the information I was learning as I worked toward a Master’s in Psychology focused on Child Development.  So I’m all done with school – again, for now, at least – although I should note that I reserve the right to go back and get a third master’s in Education in the not too distant future if I decide it’s warranted.  But anyway, here’s my celebration for the one just finished: yay!.  That’s more celebrating than I’ve done for any of my previous degrees, so I hope you enjoyed being part of it.

Moving swiftly on – I wrote my thesis on the topic of “what motivates unschooled children to learn?”.  Unschooling is a specific kind of homeschooling where the parent doesn’t directly teach the child anything (unless the child specifically requests it): instead the child is permitted to engage in self-directed learning, which means the child decides what he or she wants to learn and the parent supports the child in that effort.  Now before you say “that sounds like a crazy...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I’ve thought about doing this episode for a while but I sat on it for a few weeks because it’s still in motion.  But now Betsy DeVos is confirmed as Secretary of Education I wanted to offer some thoughts on her work on educational issues, charter schools, as well as on the topic of schools more broadly.

Spoiler alert: I graduated from my Master’s program!  And I wrote my thesis on what motivates children to learn in the absence of a formal curriculum, so we also talk a bit about whether schools as we know them, and specifically curriculum-based learning, is the best way to serve our children’s learning.

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<strong>References</strong>

Achieve (2015, May 14). New report highlights large gaps between state test results and 2013 NAEP results. Retrieved from: http://achieve.org/new-report-highlights-large-gaps-between-state-test-results-and-2013-naep-results

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Angrist, J.D., Cohides, S.R., Dynarski, S.M., Pathak, P.A., &amp; Walters, C.D. (2013). Charter schools and the road to college readiness: The effects on college preparation, attendance, and choice. Full report available at: <a href="http://www.tbf.org/~/media/TBFOrg/Files/Reports/Charters%20and%20College%20Readiness%202013.pdf">http://www.tbf.org/~/media/TBFOrg/Files/Reports/Charters%20and%20College%20Readiness%202013.pdf</a>

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I had the idea to do this episode a few weeks back, but I sort of sat on it for a bit – in part because it’s such a complex issue.  Not that I’m any stranger to researching and writing and talking about complex issues, but because this one is still in motion and no-one really knows yet how it will turn out.  So today we’re going to talk a bit about the education system in the U.S. and how it got to be where it is at the moment, and what Betsy DeVos might do with it.  The point I want to make with this episode is ‘what if the focus on which kind of school is the right kind’ is the wrong question to ask?

And, not entirely coincidentally, I also wanted to let you know that I’m launching a course to help parents who are thinking about homeschooling their children to decide whether homeschooling could actually be the right thing for their families.  It’ll cover all the aspects of making that decision, from understanding whether homeschooling is legal in your area to how you’ll still be able to afford your mortgage; from whether you need to understand everything your child needs to know before you even begin to whether homeschooled children can get into college.  Right now I’m looking for a few people who are interested in this to help me pilot test the course – so you would take the course and let me know what you think of it, through email feedback or a phone conversation with me.  In exchange for your opinions I’m offering a steep discount – the cost for the pilot will be $99, which will be a 50% discount on the full price of the course once it’s finished.  If you’d like more details, with no obligation to sign up, do send me an email at jen@yourparentingmojo.com.

I should probably also mention that I graduated from my master’s program; for those of you who haven’t been following along since the beginning I launched this podcast as a way to share some of the information I was learning as I worked toward a Master’s in Psychology focused on Child Development.  So I’m all done with school – again, for now, at least – although I should note that I reserve the right to go back and get a third master’s in Education in the not too distant future if I decide it’s warranted.  But anyway, here’s my celebration for the one just finished: yay!.  That’s more celebrating than I’ve done for any of my previous degrees, so I hope you enjoyed being part of it.

Moving swiftly on – I wrote my thesis on the topic of “what motivates unschooled children to learn?”.  Unschooling is a specific kind of homeschooling where the parent doesn’t directly teach the child anything (unless the child specifically requests it): instead the child is permitted to engage in self-directed learning, which means the child decides what he or she wants to learn and the parent supports the child in that effort.  Now before you say “that sounds like a crazy idea!,” let me tell you about some of the research on schools that I delved into as a foundation for my work, which I felt was needed before I started trying to understand an alternate model.

I’d always assumed that the purpose of school is to help students develop to their full potential – and maybe to help even out some of the disparities in circumstances that separate people at birth.  I was actually really surprised to find that that wasn’t at all the case.  We live in a capitalist economy.  And schools produce the workers for that capitalist economy.  It’s the schools’ job to turn out workers capable of participating in this capitalist economy, so they can produce goods for people to buy, so the employers can keep making profit.  To do this, the school system uses grades and test results to determine individuals’ position in the system that they will find themselves in once they graduate.  An Austrian philosopher called Ivan Illich pointed out that “the pupil is thereby “schooled” to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new.  His imagination is “schooled” to accept service in place of value.”

There is a close correspondence between the hierarchical nature of a workplace and the hierarchical nature of a school; a student has about as much power in a school as a worker does in the workplace.  The extrinsic motivators of grades and approval from teachers (as well as the threat of failure) closely mirror the external motivators in the workplace – positive performance reviews and increased wages (as well as the prospect of unemployment).  The highly rule-governed world of high school mirrors the type of supervision a blue collar worker can expect to receive; the freedom from continual supervision in elite colleges mirrors the work environment of white collar workers, while moderate amount of freedom granted to students in state colleges and community colleges reflects the amount of supervision people in low-level technical or supervisory roles can expect in the working world.

It’s a bit depressing, isn’t it?  As a product of the school system myself, who didn’t learn to think critically at all until about age eighteen – and that was something I stumbled on when I realized that my psychology teacher was telling us about one theory one day and another the next day, presenting each as fact, and I said “wait, didn’t the guy from yesterday say the opposite?”  I did well in what would generally be called “elite” schools, so I have the luxury of doing the majority of my work while sitting on my couch at home because I have “earned” this right.  Yet I am, to some extent, trapped in this role by a hefty mortgage in a high-cost-of-living area and the trappings of middle class life.

I want to be clear that I don’t think anyone is conspiring against us.  I think that the majority of teachers go into teaching because they want to help children.  And the majority of people working in companies that contribute to things like the Common Core standards (because a lot of companies do have a lot of stake in developing the Common Core standards) don’t have nefarious interests; they’re just doing what they’re supposed to do, which is to make money for their company, and the individuals involved probably think they are doing something to help children as well.  But these individuals are working within that system that is all about creating workers for the economy, and is not at all about helping individuals to achieve their own personal goals.

And the school system is really great at one thing: preparing children for the kinds of jobs that existed in the U.S. between about 1880 and 1960, in the height of the manufacturing era when factories needed people to sit in a row and churn out widgets that looked exactly like the widgets their neighbor was making.  But in a world where employers look for leadership, the ability to work in a team, communication skills, problem-solving skills, and a strong work ethic, the memorization of facts starts to look markedly less important.  Even now, the system is not designed to help children achieve their learning goals.  I read a great article in The Atlantic describing how the school system doesn’t want to change, because it serves the needs of its adult stakeholders quite well – both politically and financially.  Politicians find schools useful for providing placement opportunities for important constituents, the means to get favored community and business programs adopted and funded, and patronage hires for individuals who have performed some kind of favor for the politician.  Politicians get support from teacher’s unions, who are among the top spenders in politics, and who can get a person elected or stop a person they see as being unfavorable to the union from being elected.  The unions want more money and power which means getting more members, and to get more members they need happy members, and to get happy members they need to help members get what they want, which includes job security, pay related to seniority rather than performance, less work, and early retirement with pension and healthcare.  So as Joel Klein writes in The Atlantic: “whether you work hard or don’t, get good results with kids or don’t, teach in a shortage area like math or special education or don’t, or in a hard-to-staff school in a poor community or not, you get paid the same, unless you’ve been around for another year, in which case you get more. Not bad for the adults.”  Klein thinks that three things are necessary to make schools successful: rebuild the entire K-12 system on a platform of accountability, attract more top-flight recruits into teaching, and use technology very differently to improve instruction.  I have no objections at all to attracting and hiring better teachers, and I think there is the potential to use technology to improve instruction although Klein admits that he is now paid by the News Corporation to work on exactly this, so it would be more surprising if this topic *didn’t* make his top three.  My main objection to his proposal is to rebuild the K-12 system on a platform of accountability, by which he means getting children to take standardized tests and tying teacher pay to children’s performance on those tests.  In my pre-Master’s days before I started researching this topic I would see news articles on the Obama administration’s Race to the Top and think that tying teacher pay to student performance sounded like a good idea – why *wouldn’t* you pay teachers better when their students get better test scores?  Then when I started to learn more about this I realized *how* some teachers were achieving better test scores – they were sacrificing real, deep learning on subjects the students were interested in in favor of simple fact memorization to improve student test scores.

Finland has taken the opposite approach, professionalizing teaching requiring a master’s degree for entry into the system, paying new recruits more (unlike the system in the U.S. which pays new teachers horrifically badly and back-loads the compensation into the early retirement and pension with health benefits for those teachers who hang on for 25 years even though they’re burned out and just going through the motions), and giving teachers a great deal of freedom to determine what they teach and how they teach it.  Finland’s children are only tested once, at the end of high school, but when they are tested they far out-score American children.  For several years Finland was at the very top of international league tables of student performance, although those numbers have dropped a bit in recent years as they go through a period of budgetary pressure.

Finally, the more I learned about standardized testing, the more I realized that standardized testing isn’t a very good way to assess what children know.  Firstly, it’s possible that the tests used to assess children’s performance may be biased against poor, non-White children because they tend to require a set of skills and knowledge that is more likely to be possessed by children of higher socio-economic backgrounds.  Secondly, the socio-economic gap is widened because children from rich families get test preparation outside of school, which children from poor families cannot afford.  Thirdly, standardized tests tend to measure, as much as anything else, a child’s ability to take a standardized test – which is usually a different skillset from that needed to engage in deep learning and critical inquiry.  In fact, researchers at the RAND Corporation looked at standardized tests from seventeen states – and picked the states whose tests are regarded as the most demanding.  0% of students were assessed on deeper learning in mathematics, 1-6% were assessed on deeper learning in reading, and 2-3% were assessed on deeper learning in writing through these tests (Yuan &amp; Le 2012).  Fourthly, many educators are leaving the field because they are frustrated by the difficulty of trying to produce high quality teaching in a political environment that prizes test results above all else.  Fifthly, it is especially the teachers of struggling children who are affected, as these children are branded “failures,” along with their teachers, when required test outcomes are not met (Kohn 2004).  So who are the main beneficiaries of increased reliance on testing?  Well, the companies that produce the tests for one.  Standard &amp; Poors, the financial rating service, has been contracted by Michigan and Pennsylvania (to the tune of $10 million each), to publish the performance of every school district in a state, based largely on test score results – and on the assumption that test score results are an appropriate metric of school performance.  But Standard &amp; Poors has a vested interest in this conclusion: it is owned by McGraw Hill, which is one of the largest creators of...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/030-education-betsy-devos]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1523</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:57:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3b46974c-cc1b-4b54-b958-fa4702c8f430/on-educationbetsy-devos.mp3" length="17200456" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:01</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>I&apos;ve thought about doing this episode for a while but I sat on it for a few weeks because it&apos;s still in motion.  But now Betsy DeVos is confirmed as Secretary of Education I wanted to offer some thoughts on her work on educational issues, charter schools, as well as on the topic of schools more broadly.

Spoiler alert: I graduated from my Master&apos;s program!  And I wrote my thesis on what motivates children to learn in the absence of a formal curriculum, so we also talk a bit about whether schools as we know them, and specifically curriculum-based learning, is the best way to serve our children&apos;s learning.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>029: Why we shouldn’t ban war play</title><itunes:title>029: Why we shouldn’t ban war play</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[This episode comes to us by way of a suggestion from my friend Jess, who told me she had joined an outing with some children in her three-year-old son’s preschool class. She said some of the slightly older children were running around playing that their hands were guns and shooting at each other, and the teachers were pretty much just ignoring it, which really shocked her. So I thought to myself “I bet some smart person has done some research on this” and so I went out and found us just such a smart person to talk with.

Diane E. Levin, Ph.D. is Professor of Education at Wheelock College in Boston, Massachusetts where she <a href="http://dianeelevin.com/aboutdiane/teaching-consulting/">has been training early childhood professionals for over twenty-five years</a>. She teaches courses on play, violence prevention, action research. Her book, The War Play Dilemma, provides a theoretical view of why children engage in war play and how parents and teachers can support the development that occurs when children engage in this kind of play – and do it in a way that doesn’t make us feel queasy.

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Dunn, J. &amp; Hughes, C. (2001). “I got some swords and you’re dead!”: Violent fantasy, antisocial behavior, friendship, and moral sensibility in young children. Child Development 72(2), 491-505.

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Fehr, K.K. &amp; Russ, S.W. (2013). Aggression in pretend play and aggressive behavior in the classroom. <em>Early Education and Development 24</em>, 332-345. DOI: 10.1080/10409289.2012.675549

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Ferguson, C.J. (2007). Evidence for publication bias in video game violence effects literature: A meta-analytic review. Aggression &amp; Violent Behavior 57, 348-364.

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Hart, J.L., &amp; Tannock, M.T. (2013). Young children’s play fighting and use of war toys. Encyclopedia on Early Childhood Development. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.child-encyclopedia.com/play/according-experts/young-childrens-play-fighting-and-use-war-toys">http://www.child-encyclopedia.com/play/according-experts/young-childrens-play-fighting-and-use-war-toys</a>

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Holland, P. (203). We don’t play with guns here: War, weapon and superhero play in the early years. Maidenhead, UK: Open University Press

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Levin, D.E. &amp; Carlsson-Paige, N. (2006). The war play dilemma: What every parent and teacher needs to know (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). New York, NY: Teachers College Press.

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Lober R., Lacourse, E., &amp; Homimsh, D.L. (2005). Homicide, violence, and developmental trajectories. In R.E. Tremblay, W.W. Hartup, &amp; J. Archer (Eds.), Developmental origins of aggression. New York, NY: Guilford Press.

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Teachers Resisting Unhealthy Children’s Entertainment (n.d.). Website. http://www.truceteachers.org

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.69">[00:30]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called The War Play Dilemma. This episode comes to us by way of a suggestion from my friend Jess, who had told me that she had joined an outing with some children in her three year old son’s preschool class and she said that some of the slightly older children were running around and playing, that their hands were guns and shooting each other and the teachers were pretty much just ignoring it, which really shocked her.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.43">[00:54]</a></u>

So I thought to myself, I bet some smart person has done some research on this. And I went out and found us just such a smart person to talk with today. So Diane Levin, Ph.D Is Professor of Education at Wheelock College in Boston, Massachusetts, where she’s been training early childhood professionals for over 25 years. She teaches courses on play violence prevention and action research and her book, The War Play Dilemma, provides a theoretical view of why children engage in war play and how parents and teachers can support the development that occurs when children engage in this kind of play and also do it in a way that doesn’t make us feel queasy. Professor Levin has a BS in child development from Cornell University, an M.S. In special education from Wheelock College and an interdisciplinary Ph.D in Sociology of Education and Child Development from Tufts University. Welcome, Professor Levin.

Dr. Levin: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.41">[01:42]</a></u>

Hello. It’s a pleasure to be with you and being able to talk about this issue.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.34">[01:46]</a></u>

So let’s set the stage here. So war games aren’t found in all cultures, but they are found in many, both today and also historically. And I read in your book that archeologists have found the remnants of what might have been toys used for war play by the ancient Egyptians. So I’m wondering if kids had been playing at war for ever, apparently, why the sudden concern what’s changed recently?

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=127.99">[02:07]</a></u>

Well, I think there’s always been some concerns from parents who were thinking that they didn’t want their boys to be aggressive, didn’t want them to focus on violence, wanted them to grow up and be humane citizens. But I, I think one of the things that’s happened in our culture in the last say 30 or 40 years as media has become a bigger and bigger force in children’s lives, in as marketing of toys has become a bigger force in children’s lives, violence is one of the one that the items that’s used to market to boys war toys, guns there, there were. They used to be cowboys and Indians; that was one of the first ways they were marketed and some people worry about that and the messages that taught about Indians, but it was a big…I grew up in Texas and count cowgirls and Indians was something I played.

Dr. Levin:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=182.32">[03:02]</a></u>

It’s always been an interest of children to figure out what does it mean to be a boy? What does it mean to be a girl? Violence and weapons has been something that’s been marketed to boys and I’m sure we’ll talk about that more, but children look in the world around them to figure out what to play and how to play and they’ll look for some of the things that seem the most dramatic, the most confusing, the most exciting, and when they see violent weapons and things, that’s one of the things that boys find for them

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.79">[03:36]</a></u>

Hm. And so why is that? Why are boys more attracted to war play than girls?

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.49">[03:41]</a></u>

Because boys learn already by around a year and a half that they fit into one category, the male category and girls fit into the female category. Children tend to think in dichotomies when they’re young, good and bad, right and wrong. Boy and girl, mom and dad, they tend to think that way and what’s for me and what’s not for me, and so when they learn, I’m a girl, I’m not a boy, or I’m a boy, I’m not a girl, they then start looking at what goes to me, what doesn’t go to me, and they see very quickly. I mean they might start at immediately thinking princesses because that’s what already girls will see pink and you know, and rosy colors and princessy things. That’s what’s there for me because that’s what they see in their environment often in their rooms and the toys they get. And boys will see, you know, tough and red and blue and green and and tough and fighting and superheros and so forth and so that’s what they’re drawn to. And in part our culture has created that and in part marketers do that because they do make it very different because they can market more things to have a whole culture and a whole boys culture and if you have a girl and a boy child will end up having to get solely different things.

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=299.98">[04:59]</a></u>

Even a boy’s bike and a girl’s bike. They can’t have the same bikes, the same baby carriages, which you get a pink one and a blue one. It affects parents, it affects children, but children are drawn to the things that they very quickly learn of their colors or their objects are their toys and so forth. It makes a big impression on them when they are...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode comes to us by way of a suggestion from my friend Jess, who told me she had joined an outing with some children in her three-year-old son’s preschool class. She said some of the slightly older children were running around playing that their hands were guns and shooting at each other, and the teachers were pretty much just ignoring it, which really shocked her. So I thought to myself “I bet some smart person has done some research on this” and so I went out and found us just such a smart person to talk with.

Diane E. Levin, Ph.D. is Professor of Education at Wheelock College in Boston, Massachusetts where she <a href="http://dianeelevin.com/aboutdiane/teaching-consulting/">has been training early childhood professionals for over twenty-five years</a>. She teaches courses on play, violence prevention, action research. Her book, The War Play Dilemma, provides a theoretical view of why children engage in war play and how parents and teachers can support the development that occurs when children engage in this kind of play – and do it in a way that doesn’t make us feel queasy.

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<a href="https://amzn.to/3tVNdmF">The war play dilemma: What every parent and teacher needs to know</a> - Affiliate link

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Dunn, J. &amp; Hughes, C. (2001). “I got some swords and you’re dead!”: Violent fantasy, antisocial behavior, friendship, and moral sensibility in young children. Child Development 72(2), 491-505.

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Fehr, K.K. &amp; Russ, S.W. (2013). Aggression in pretend play and aggressive behavior in the classroom. <em>Early Education and Development 24</em>, 332-345. DOI: 10.1080/10409289.2012.675549

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Ferguson, C.J. (2007). Evidence for publication bias in video game violence effects literature: A meta-analytic review. Aggression &amp; Violent Behavior 57, 348-364.

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Hart, J.L., &amp; Tannock, M.T. (2013). Young children’s play fighting and use of war toys. Encyclopedia on Early Childhood Development. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.child-encyclopedia.com/play/according-experts/young-childrens-play-fighting-and-use-war-toys">http://www.child-encyclopedia.com/play/according-experts/young-childrens-play-fighting-and-use-war-toys</a>

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Holland, P. (203). We don’t play with guns here: War, weapon and superhero play in the early years. Maidenhead, UK: Open University Press

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Levin, D.E. &amp; Carlsson-Paige, N. (2006). The war play dilemma: What every parent and teacher needs to know (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). New York, NY: Teachers College Press.

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Lober R., Lacourse, E., &amp; Homimsh, D.L. (2005). Homicide, violence, and developmental trajectories. In R.E. Tremblay, W.W. Hartup, &amp; J. Archer (Eds.), Developmental origins of aggression. New York, NY: Guilford Press.

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Teachers Resisting Unhealthy Children’s Entertainment (n.d.). Website. http://www.truceteachers.org

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.69">[00:30]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called The War Play Dilemma. This episode comes to us by way of a suggestion from my friend Jess, who had told me that she had joined an outing with some children in her three year old son’s preschool class and she said that some of the slightly older children were running around and playing, that their hands were guns and shooting each other and the teachers were pretty much just ignoring it, which really shocked her.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.43">[00:54]</a></u>

So I thought to myself, I bet some smart person has done some research on this. And I went out and found us just such a smart person to talk with today. So Diane Levin, Ph.D Is Professor of Education at Wheelock College in Boston, Massachusetts, where she’s been training early childhood professionals for over 25 years. She teaches courses on play violence prevention and action research and her book, The War Play Dilemma, provides a theoretical view of why children engage in war play and how parents and teachers can support the development that occurs when children engage in this kind of play and also do it in a way that doesn’t make us feel queasy. Professor Levin has a BS in child development from Cornell University, an M.S. In special education from Wheelock College and an interdisciplinary Ph.D in Sociology of Education and Child Development from Tufts University. Welcome, Professor Levin.

Dr. Levin: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.41">[01:42]</a></u>

Hello. It’s a pleasure to be with you and being able to talk about this issue.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.34">[01:46]</a></u>

So let’s set the stage here. So war games aren’t found in all cultures, but they are found in many, both today and also historically. And I read in your book that archeologists have found the remnants of what might have been toys used for war play by the ancient Egyptians. So I’m wondering if kids had been playing at war for ever, apparently, why the sudden concern what’s changed recently?

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=127.99">[02:07]</a></u>

Well, I think there’s always been some concerns from parents who were thinking that they didn’t want their boys to be aggressive, didn’t want them to focus on violence, wanted them to grow up and be humane citizens. But I, I think one of the things that’s happened in our culture in the last say 30 or 40 years as media has become a bigger and bigger force in children’s lives, in as marketing of toys has become a bigger force in children’s lives, violence is one of the one that the items that’s used to market to boys war toys, guns there, there were. They used to be cowboys and Indians; that was one of the first ways they were marketed and some people worry about that and the messages that taught about Indians, but it was a big…I grew up in Texas and count cowgirls and Indians was something I played.

Dr. Levin:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=182.32">[03:02]</a></u>

It’s always been an interest of children to figure out what does it mean to be a boy? What does it mean to be a girl? Violence and weapons has been something that’s been marketed to boys and I’m sure we’ll talk about that more, but children look in the world around them to figure out what to play and how to play and they’ll look for some of the things that seem the most dramatic, the most confusing, the most exciting, and when they see violent weapons and things, that’s one of the things that boys find for them

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.79">[03:36]</a></u>

Hm. And so why is that? Why are boys more attracted to war play than girls?

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.49">[03:41]</a></u>

Because boys learn already by around a year and a half that they fit into one category, the male category and girls fit into the female category. Children tend to think in dichotomies when they’re young, good and bad, right and wrong. Boy and girl, mom and dad, they tend to think that way and what’s for me and what’s not for me, and so when they learn, I’m a girl, I’m not a boy, or I’m a boy, I’m not a girl, they then start looking at what goes to me, what doesn’t go to me, and they see very quickly. I mean they might start at immediately thinking princesses because that’s what already girls will see pink and you know, and rosy colors and princessy things. That’s what’s there for me because that’s what they see in their environment often in their rooms and the toys they get. And boys will see, you know, tough and red and blue and green and and tough and fighting and superheros and so forth and so that’s what they’re drawn to. And in part our culture has created that and in part marketers do that because they do make it very different because they can market more things to have a whole culture and a whole boys culture and if you have a girl and a boy child will end up having to get solely different things.

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=299.98">[04:59]</a></u>

Even a boy’s bike and a girl’s bike. They can’t have the same bikes, the same baby carriages, which you get a pink one and a blue one. It affects parents, it affects children, but children are drawn to the things that they very quickly learn of their colors or their objects are their toys and so forth. It makes a big impression on them when they are looking for concrete things that are for them and even when kids get to preschool or to toddler school that they’ll look in the environment to the things that are for them. A former preschool teacher, it was something, you know, we thought a lot about his teachers. I entered the field at the beginning of the women’s movement when we first started thinking about these issues and first started studying these issues and we saw at very young ages, kids where we received the great divide and we started documenting it.

Dr. Levin:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.67">[05:54]</a></u>

And that’s when suddenly when I was interested in this topic, the war play dilemma gotten written when I was already teaching a little bit about this topic and how to help teachers encourage girls and boys to play together more. And suddenly teachers were saying they started having boys obsessed with war play and shooting. And why was that happening? And they had taught for many years and thought they were making progress with having things less stereotyped and suddenly it had gotten worse and we couldn’t figure out why. Nancy Carlsson Paige, who I worked with on this book, we started trying to figure it out, why would we, why are teachers saying this? And what we found out was television had been deregulated, children’s television had been deregulated under the Reagan administration. Sounds like a long time ago well it was, but within one year of deregulation, nine of the 10 best selling toys had a TV show before that time you were not allowed to market products that are exact replicas of TV products.

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=419.4">[06:59]</a></u>

You could do it with movies and Star Wars had done it and it was a huge success and it was all products for boys and it was mostly fighting toys. TV wanted to do it. They managed to get the Federal Communications Commission to deregulate television for children and within one year of deregulation, nine of the best selling toys had TV shows. And it was like power rangers, GI Joe Transformers; all fighting things. For girls it was Care Bears and My Little Ponies. They use gender to do the marketing and the teachers started seeing the effects. Boys going around karate, chopping, pretending to shoot; much harder to get girls and boys to play together again and more and more kind of let less gender neutral play became a big problem for teachers who really were trying to have gender neutral classrooms or as gender neutral as possible. And teachers started trying to ban war play.

Dr. Levin:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=480.05">[08:00]</a></u>

They family had guerrilla wars in their rooms where kids were sneaking around, know gradually know things… I haven’t done direct research lately, although I teach a lot; I hear a lot from teachers about what’s going on now and you know that they’re still being the gender divisions going on, but things have changed around play as kids spend more and more time glued to screens and less time playing teachers are finding different problems she’s play rather than just the fighting and the princesses. So that’s what they focus on more.

Dr. Levin:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=515.6">[08:35]</a></u>

What are some of those different problems? Some of the different problems are now they have children who just aren’t interested in play as much. Maybe not when they’re two, but sometimes even then they come to the classroom and look for screens, if there’s a couple of screens, that’s what they want to play with.

Dr. Levin:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=533.06">[08:53]</a></u>

One teacher even talked about, she put out Play Doh and a kid poked it and said, what does it do? Like they were trying to push a button, you know, they, they just didn’t know where the, you know, what the Play Doh was all about. But you know, in the days that I was talking about earlier on when kids were not as screen dependent, even though they were getting more and more involved with screen content like power rangers, teachers would have children, boys taking the Play Doh and making toy guns and going pow pow, pow. And helping teachers and parents think about how do you deal with that was something that we had to deal with a lot. Now that you know, two year olds, three year olds like in the story start running around shooting. A lot of teachers haven’t thought about it as much now. It’s not part of teacher training, it’s not part of the standards the teachers have to meet when they’re being trained to be teachers and it’s not an issue I hear talked about that much, but people will then like you come to me when they suddenly see problems, and have questions and concerns and um, I think it’s a really important issue for us to think about what lesson, you know, kids, if they’re not playing it still very quickly get involved in violent video games.

Dr. Levin:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=614.75">[10:14]</a></u>

There’s all kinds of messages about violence being fun, violence is exciting, Violence is what you do to have a good time that children, boys especially are getting. And it’s really important that we think about it and it’s great you’re taking on this topic.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.83">[10:32]</a></u>

Thank you. What you said brings up something: you said that teachers are not trained on how to deal with children playing with pretend guns in a school environment. And I had no idea. I assumed someone was talking to teachers about this stuff and what that connects to is the idea that well, why of course we wouldn’t want our children to play at guns. And so would that sort of, it reinforces something I read elsewhere that was a book by Penny Holland out of the UK I think wrote hers just before you did. And she talked about how there were pretty much blanket bans on playing at guns in the UK and nobody really had any idea why nobody had put any thought into it or done research on it or based on any kind of theoretical grounding. It was just a “common sense” thing as, as it were. And so you’re saying that teachers are not trained in any way on how to deal with this? It makes me feel as though were where we are where the UK was, you know, a decade or so ago.

Dr. Levin:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=698.99">[11:38]</a></u>

Actually, if you read the second edition of my book in the first edition came out about 15 years and I actually was in England and studied the issue there and compared it to the US when I was finishing up that and in England they were much further along. I mean they didn’t have to think about it in the same way television wasn’t deregulated there in the same way that… It was just beginning. They were just beginning to bring American television over there, so it was just beginning to be an issue and I studied it there as it was beginning to enter the lives of children in schools and families and I interviewed teachers about suddenly then becoming aware of it as an issue which I couldn’t study here; it had already taken over when I became aware of an issue here. So when will it help me a lot come to understand it, but what I say about it here is teachers have never had a lot of training in children’s play, but now they don’t impart because what they need training in is how do you teach the alphabet and reading to four year olds, you know, how do you, there’s much more testing, the common core standards, I’m so forth and there’s more and more pushed to get accredited as a teacher to get more and more formal courses on testing, evaluation, skills teaching, math literacy and so forth. And so there’s, it’s harder and harder to fit it in. I’m even more. I teach, which is known for training developmentally train teachers for over a century now. We worked very, very hard to be able to fit into a students courses given all the other mandates for them to be able to pass the state certification tests that our teachers have to take. So it’s very hard. So that it’s very unusual for it to happen. But the issue of gun play, a lot of people think, oh, it’s bad and I don’t think, oh, it’s bad. I think, oh, well it depends on the nature of the play.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l_8eQIfkcCltdGU2FwpIdxUKZwf3j7tYvMr58Fd3-WwRa6gchpHA0i_cnMNyPcFShGh9xRIUha9ya7cjZ7zUOA17OcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=822.85">[13:42]</a></u>

All right, let’s, let’s not get into that yet because I know we have a ton to talk about on that. Um, and I know that that your position and opinion is going to be so different than what parents might assume is the default position, but I want to lay some groundwork first in terms of thinking about theory so that your position is well understood by the time we get to it. So first I wonder if you could just tell us a little bit more about how children’s brains are wired. You talked a little...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/warplay]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1505</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2017 23:23:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e2d84b59-7f07-41b0-bcde-963e5e437ff3/playing-with-guns.mp3" length="40037216" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This episode comes to us by way of a suggestion from my friend Jess, who told me she had joined an outing with some children in her three-year-old son’s preschool class. She said some of the slightly older children were running around playing that their hands were guns and shooting at each other, and the teachers were pretty much just ignoring it, which really shocked her. So I thought to myself “I bet some smart person has done some research on this” and so I went out and found us just such a smart person to talk with.

Diane E. Levin, Ph.D. is Professor of Education at Wheelock College in Boston, Massachusetts where she has been training early childhood professionals for over twenty-five years. She teaches courses on play, violence prevention, action research. Her book, The War Play Dilemma, provides a theoretical view of why children engage in war play and how parents and teachers can support the development that occurs when children engage in this kind of play – and do it in a way that doesn’t make us feel queasy.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>028: How do children form social groups?</title><itunes:title>028: How do children form social groups?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

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How social groups are formed has profound implications for what we teach our children about our culture.

Professor Yarrow Dunham of Yale University tells us how we all group people in our heads according to criteria that we think are important – in many cases it’s a valuable tool that allows us to focus our mental energy. But when we look at ideas like race and gender, we see that we tend to classify people into these groups based on criteria that may not actually be useful at all.

This episode will shed further light on Episode 6, “Wait, is my toddler racist?” and will lay the groundwork for us to study groupings based on gender in an upcoming episode.

<strong>References</strong>

Baron, A.S. &amp; Dunham, Y. (2015). Representing “Us” and “Them”: Building blocks of intergroup cognition. Journal of Cognition and Development 16(5), 780-801. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org.library.capella.edu/10.1080/15248372.2014.1000459" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1080/15248372.2014.1000459</a>

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Baron, A.S., Dunham, Y., Banaji, M., &amp; Carey, S. (2014). Constraints on the acquisition of social category concepts. Journal of Cognition and Development 15(2), 238-268. DOI: 10.1080/15248372.2012.742902

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Dunham, Y., Baron, A.S., &amp; Carey, S. (2011). Consequences of “minimal” group affiliations in children. Child Development 82(3), 793-811. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.2011.01577.x

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Dunham, Y., Chen, E.E., &amp; Banaji, M.R. (2013). Two signatures of implicit intergroup attitudes: Developmental invariance and early enculturation. Psychological Science Online First. DOI: 10.1177/0956797612463081

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Dunham, Y., Stepanova, E.V., Dotsch, R., &amp; Todorov, A. (2015). The development of race-based perceptual categorization: Skin color dominates early category judgments. Developmental Science 18(3), 469-483. DOI: 10.1111/desc.12228

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Rhodes, M., Leslie, S-J, Saunders, K., Dunham, Y., &amp; Cimpian, A. (In Press). How does social essentialism affect the development of inter-group relations? Developmental Science. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306482087_How_does_social_essentialism_affect_the_development_of_inter-group_relations" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306482087_How_does_social_essentialism_affect_the_development_of_inter-group_relations</a>

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Richter, N., Over, H., &amp; Dunham, Y. (2016). The effects of minimal group membership on young preschoolers’ social preferences, estimates of similarity, and behavioral attribution. Collabra 2(1), p.1-8. DOI: : 10.1525/collabra.44

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Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.08" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[00:30]</u></a>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We’ve already talked quite a bit about the development of racism on Your Parenting Mojo and if you missed it, you might want to go back to episode six, which was called Wait, Is My Toddler Racist, and in that episode we talked about some of the unconscious psychological processes that are at work in all of us that can lead our children to develop racist attitudes and we learned that some of the concepts we might hold to be true if we hadn’t specifically learned about them – things like the fact that children just don’t notice racial differences unless they’re pointed out and the children won’t become racist if they aren’t explicitly taught to be – really aren’t true at all. Today I’m joined by an expert in social group formation who’s going to help us to understand how social groups form and specifically how we formulate our ideas about racial groups and will give us some practical tools we can use in our attempts to raise children who aren’t racist. Yarrow Dunham is Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychology at Yale University. He received his doctorate in education and also his masters from Harvard University and his BA from the University of California, Santa Barbara. Professor Dunham leads the Social Cognitive Development Lab at Yale where he and his colleagues look for answers to questions about how and why we affiliate with social groups, how we evaluate those groups, and how the concept of fairness develops in children and how all of this varies across cultures. Welcome Professor Dunham.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.67" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:49]</u></a>

Thank you. Great to be here.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.7" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:50]</u></a>

All right, so let’s dive in. Can you tell us what is psychological essentialism and why it’s so important to our work?

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.22" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:58]</u></a>

So psychological essentialism is the view that differences between people are based in deep internal property is probably the easiest way to think about them. In the modern view is something like genes, so what makes to people different or two groups of people different is that something inside of them is different and a key part of this idea is we think those differences are there in that essence is there, even if we can’t see it, so that creates situation in which I can get it wrong about what group. You’re right, I can think you’re in one group based on say the way you look, but I can find out something. Say something about your essence, something about your genes or maybe your ancestry that will lead me to overrule my initial idea and say that I got it wrong. So really at the end of the day of essentialism is that view that group differences are based in sort of natural and deep differences within people.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:48]</u></a>

And that came up, I think in our previous episode on racism. It’s the idea that we all kind of form these ideas about people based on perhaps a split second view of, of what we see of them. Is that right?

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.64" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:01]</u></a>

Yes, that’s right. So we can form categories of people very quickly, we can decide that someone belongs to, in particular, certain categories, what we might think of as the most salient ways in which we group people, things like age, gender, race, these things tend to come to mind quite quickly. And even as you talked about in that last episode, even kind of automatically, in terms of as soon as we encounter someone even for the first time

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.74" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:25]</u></a>

And is it right that it’s kind of a survival mechanism that we, we wouldn’t physically be able to process the information that we needed to process. If I looked at you and try to think about who you are on an individual trade by trade basis, I wouldn’t also be able to conduct this conversation with you.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.99" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:41]</u></a>

I mean at least it would certainly be much more difficult. And the way I think about it as categories of people are really just one kind of category and we have categories of all kinds of other things. We have categories of objects in the room, you know, tables and chairs, and we have categories of animals and plants and in all of those domains, these are really, really useful. These really simplify the job of thinking about the world. You know, if you tell me there’s a chair in the other room, I don’t have to think that hard about what the thing is like that you have in the other room and I can occasionally be surprised if it’s, you know, some fun midcentury modern thing, but I have a pretty clear idea of what’s going to be in the other room and what it’s going to be good for – sitting on say. And that’s super useful and this is true for people as well and in many domains it doesn’t bother us at all and needn’t, right? when you will go see a dentist. We have a lot of ideas about what skills this dentist ought to have and how we’re going to interact with that dentist. And that’s, as you’re pointing out, immensely useful and just kind of smoothing the interactions we have. I don’t have to go in there wondering how it all works. Right. I have a lot of prior knowledge I can draw on.

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How social groups are formed has profound implications for what we teach our children about our culture.

Professor Yarrow Dunham of Yale University tells us how we all group people in our heads according to criteria that we think are important – in many cases it’s a valuable tool that allows us to focus our mental energy. But when we look at ideas like race and gender, we see that we tend to classify people into these groups based on criteria that may not actually be useful at all.

This episode will shed further light on Episode 6, “Wait, is my toddler racist?” and will lay the groundwork for us to study groupings based on gender in an upcoming episode.

<strong>References</strong>

Baron, A.S. &amp; Dunham, Y. (2015). Representing “Us” and “Them”: Building blocks of intergroup cognition. Journal of Cognition and Development 16(5), 780-801. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org.library.capella.edu/10.1080/15248372.2014.1000459" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1080/15248372.2014.1000459</a>

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Baron, A.S., Dunham, Y., Banaji, M., &amp; Carey, S. (2014). Constraints on the acquisition of social category concepts. Journal of Cognition and Development 15(2), 238-268. DOI: 10.1080/15248372.2012.742902

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Dunham, Y., Baron, A.S., &amp; Carey, S. (2011). Consequences of “minimal” group affiliations in children. Child Development 82(3), 793-811. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.2011.01577.x

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Dunham, Y., Chen, E.E., &amp; Banaji, M.R. (2013). Two signatures of implicit intergroup attitudes: Developmental invariance and early enculturation. Psychological Science Online First. DOI: 10.1177/0956797612463081

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Dunham, Y., Stepanova, E.V., Dotsch, R., &amp; Todorov, A. (2015). The development of race-based perceptual categorization: Skin color dominates early category judgments. Developmental Science 18(3), 469-483. DOI: 10.1111/desc.12228

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Rhodes, M., Leslie, S-J, Saunders, K., Dunham, Y., &amp; Cimpian, A. (In Press). How does social essentialism affect the development of inter-group relations? Developmental Science. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306482087_How_does_social_essentialism_affect_the_development_of_inter-group_relations" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306482087_How_does_social_essentialism_affect_the_development_of_inter-group_relations</a>

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Richter, N., Over, H., &amp; Dunham, Y. (2016). The effects of minimal group membership on young preschoolers’ social preferences, estimates of similarity, and behavioral attribution. Collabra 2(1), p.1-8. DOI: : 10.1525/collabra.44

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<strong>Transcript</strong>

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.08" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[00:30]</u></a>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We’ve already talked quite a bit about the development of racism on Your Parenting Mojo and if you missed it, you might want to go back to episode six, which was called Wait, Is My Toddler Racist, and in that episode we talked about some of the unconscious psychological processes that are at work in all of us that can lead our children to develop racist attitudes and we learned that some of the concepts we might hold to be true if we hadn’t specifically learned about them – things like the fact that children just don’t notice racial differences unless they’re pointed out and the children won’t become racist if they aren’t explicitly taught to be – really aren’t true at all. Today I’m joined by an expert in social group formation who’s going to help us to understand how social groups form and specifically how we formulate our ideas about racial groups and will give us some practical tools we can use in our attempts to raise children who aren’t racist. Yarrow Dunham is Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychology at Yale University. He received his doctorate in education and also his masters from Harvard University and his BA from the University of California, Santa Barbara. Professor Dunham leads the Social Cognitive Development Lab at Yale where he and his colleagues look for answers to questions about how and why we affiliate with social groups, how we evaluate those groups, and how the concept of fairness develops in children and how all of this varies across cultures. Welcome Professor Dunham.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.67" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:49]</u></a>

Thank you. Great to be here.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.7" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:50]</u></a>

All right, so let’s dive in. Can you tell us what is psychological essentialism and why it’s so important to our work?

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.22" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:58]</u></a>

So psychological essentialism is the view that differences between people are based in deep internal property is probably the easiest way to think about them. In the modern view is something like genes, so what makes to people different or two groups of people different is that something inside of them is different and a key part of this idea is we think those differences are there in that essence is there, even if we can’t see it, so that creates situation in which I can get it wrong about what group. You’re right, I can think you’re in one group based on say the way you look, but I can find out something. Say something about your essence, something about your genes or maybe your ancestry that will lead me to overrule my initial idea and say that I got it wrong. So really at the end of the day of essentialism is that view that group differences are based in sort of natural and deep differences within people.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:48]</u></a>

And that came up, I think in our previous episode on racism. It’s the idea that we all kind of form these ideas about people based on perhaps a split second view of, of what we see of them. Is that right?

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.64" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:01]</u></a>

Yes, that’s right. So we can form categories of people very quickly, we can decide that someone belongs to, in particular, certain categories, what we might think of as the most salient ways in which we group people, things like age, gender, race, these things tend to come to mind quite quickly. And even as you talked about in that last episode, even kind of automatically, in terms of as soon as we encounter someone even for the first time

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.74" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:25]</u></a>

And is it right that it’s kind of a survival mechanism that we, we wouldn’t physically be able to process the information that we needed to process. If I looked at you and try to think about who you are on an individual trade by trade basis, I wouldn’t also be able to conduct this conversation with you.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.99" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:41]</u></a>

I mean at least it would certainly be much more difficult. And the way I think about it as categories of people are really just one kind of category and we have categories of all kinds of other things. We have categories of objects in the room, you know, tables and chairs, and we have categories of animals and plants and in all of those domains, these are really, really useful. These really simplify the job of thinking about the world. You know, if you tell me there’s a chair in the other room, I don’t have to think that hard about what the thing is like that you have in the other room and I can occasionally be surprised if it’s, you know, some fun midcentury modern thing, but I have a pretty clear idea of what’s going to be in the other room and what it’s going to be good for – sitting on say. And that’s super useful and this is true for people as well and in many domains it doesn’t bother us at all and needn’t, right? when you will go see a dentist. We have a lot of ideas about what skills this dentist ought to have and how we’re going to interact with that dentist. And that’s, as you’re pointing out, immensely useful and just kind of smoothing the interactions we have. I don’t have to go in there wondering how it all works. Right. I have a lot of prior knowledge I can draw on.

Jen:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=281.89" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[04:41]</u></a>

All right, so since we’re talking about, you know, what are some different social groups, tell us about who were the Zarpies and who were the Gorps and what did you find children’s relationships with Zarpies and Gorps?

Dr. Dunham:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.89" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[04:52]</u></a>

So both my lab and some of my collaborators and some of this research was in collaboration with a bunch of other people, but I’ll just mention Marjorie Rhoads, a professor at NYU who has done a lot of work in the same vein and those are basically Zarpies and Gorps – those are just nonsense labels that we use to introduce children to some brand new social group that we, the researchers have made up. The reason we do this is while we do a lot of research on groups like race or gender, it gets a lot more complicated because different kids have such a different range of background experiences. They may have learned different things, experienced different things and so there’s just a lot more variability and what kids might think about those groups. But if we use these groups that we’ve created, like as Zarpie, we know that what kids know about it is absolutely nothing right when they come into our lab, they had no prior knowledge because we made them up and that way we can get a clearer view of children’s more intuitive or natural ways of thinking about groups when you pull out or abstract away from prior knowledge.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=350.59" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[05:50]</u></a>

So that’s a little background for why we might use these kinds of funny sounding groups that are just designed to be intriguing to children. Right. And kind of fun sounding to children. And in the research that we did, basically we introduced children to a group like the Zarpies and in one case we induced them to essentialize the group. In other words, to think about the Zarpies as really being something deep and important about who you are. And another case we didn’t. We didn’t lead them to think about Zarpies and such and such an essentialized manner. And then we asked, did this manipulation – did the extent to which we lead kids to be centralized. The group change how they felt about the group that if for example, lead them to dislike the group more or to share less resources, less of the child’s own resources with them, and we did this because there’s been a long standing series of arguments about the relationship between essentialism and prejudice with a lot of people, assuming that essentialism will lead to prejudice, that if you essentially as a group, you’re more likely to consider it to be prejudice towards that group and maybe not to go on for too long, but just to motivate that intuition, why might we think that if you think groups are really, really deeply important and based on internal properties of of the people and you had learned that a group has some bad property.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[07:07]</u></a>

Maybe take an example with gender. Let’s say you hold a stereotype that boys are better at math than girls. If you essentialize that category, you’re very likely to think, well, that must be something about the nature of boys and girls. That’s what it’s like to be a boys, is to be better at math, to be a girl is to be worse at math. In fact, in that case we think that’s probably not true. It’s probably much more likely that it’s cultural factors, but the danger of essential, as I think comes out pretty clearly here, if you essentialize the group and you now know that the groups differ in some way, you’re likely to think that that difference is very deep and kind of natural rather than cultural or environmental. So this is what we wanted to test in a more experimental fashion with the Zarpies. And what we found is it actually didn’t in our study, lead to more prejudice. So kids were actually pretty positive about these cartoonish Zarpies that we introduced them to. However it did lead them to not be as willing to share with them to be in some sense less generous when they were sharing resources with the Zarpies.

Jen:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=486.29" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[08:06]</u></a>

And this is when they are a member of the Zarpie group or when they are a member of the Gorp group?

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=490.53" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[08:10]</u></a>

So in this one, children are not actually members of either groups or just learning about this as another group, but in that sense the Zarpies are kind of an outgroup as a group to which they do not belong and this was a little bit surprising to us. So we sort of replicated it a few times to make sure we really had it right. But what we think is going on now as if you think about it a little more, there can be a really good or really bad or really positive or really negative group that you might have essentialize. So there’s not a necessary connection. We think now between sort of valence like how good or bad the group is and whether you essentially it, but we think that essentialism essentially maybe a bad choice of words, but essentialism leads us to really think of the boundary between groups as very rigid and strong. And when you do, it seems that kids elect to not share as much as they think about that group is really distinct and different from them. They think, well, I’ll keep my resources to myself rather than sharing, but they don’t necessarily think the group is bad.

Jen:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=547.6" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[09:07]</u></a>

Okay, alright. And then didn’t you do a follow up experiment where you made the children a part of the Zarpie group and tell them that they were also Zarpies.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=556.81" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[09:16]</u></a>

So we’ve done studies a lot like this. Not always using things like Gorps and Zarpies; sometimes just using something even simpler like a blue group and a red group. And in these kinds of studies we and lots of people have done these studies now with children going all the way down to about age three. And so for example, in some of the studies I’ve done in this line, if you simply tell a child you’re going to be in the red group, why don’t you put on this red shirt so you really remember which group you’re going to be in. We find that actually that in and of itself is enough to get kids to like their own group more. So that’s enough to get kids to think. Yeah, the red group seems like it’s probably better. And also to even be willing to share more with members of their own group and so on.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=595.31" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[09:55]</u></a>

Yeah. I’ve noticed that this phenomenon is alive and well in adults as well.

Dr. Dunham:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=600.89" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[10:00]</u></a>

Absolutely.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=601.59" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[10:01]</u></a>

Yeah. I remember sitting in a. I actually went to Yale for my first masters and I did some classes in the business school and I remember one of the professors saying, you know, you guys are all here; you’ve come from disparate walks of life. You don’t have very much in common. I mean obviously in business school you do have some things in common, but you are going to be enticed to think of each other as a sort of a cohesive unit and do favors for each other and help each other get ahead in your careers based on the fact that you’re all sitting together in the classroom, which really to a large extent is pretty arbitrary.

Dr. Dunham: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rNRJM6iMdGZApNZh77eT3rLIeydhUdUEffiopmGKbHR8t1NoYu3IHNcUDiLKC8xWT0knxlvR-AOALmzpj-oABsW--XI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.41" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[10:35]</u></a>

Yeah, absolutely. I think this is an immensely important point. Thinking about how humans, reason about groups and even about the development of racism, because what it says is we’re really flexible in what groups we decide to care about or affiliate with and we’re not just flexible. Some of them are essentially things that...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/socialgroups]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1502</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 00:06:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/62e5e8b2-c474-4b71-8e0b-44f5ea13abe5/how-do-social-groups-form.mp3" length="40517391" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>How social groups are formed has profound implications for what we teach our children about our culture.

Professor Yarrow Dunham of Yale University tells us how we all group people in our heads according to criteria that we think are important – in many cases it’s a valuable tool that allows us to focus our mental energy.  But when we look at ideas like race and gender, we see that we tend to classify people into these groups based on criteria that may not actually be useful at all.

This episode will shed further light on Episode 6, “Wait, is my toddler racist?” and will lay the groundwork for us to study groupings based on gender in an upcoming episode.
References

Baron, A.S. and Dunham, Y. (2015). Representing “Us” and “Them”: Building blocks of intergroup cognition. Journal of Cognition and Development 16(5), 780-801. DOI: http://dx.doi.org.library.capella.edu/10.1080/15248372.2014.1000459 (10.1080/15248372.2014.1000459)
Baron, A.S., Dunham, Y., Banaji, M., and Carey, S. (2014). Constraints on the acquisition of social category concepts. Journal of Cognition and Development 15(2), 238-268. DOI: 10.1080/15248372.2012.742902
Dunham, Y., Baron, A.S., and Carey, S. (2011). Consequences of “minimal” group affiliations in children. Child Development 82(3), 793-811. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.2011.01577.x
Dunham, Y., Chen, E.E., and Banaji, M.R. (2013). Two signatures of implicit intergroup attitudes: Developmental invariance and early enculturation. Psychological Science Online First. DOI: 10.1177/0956797612463081
Dunham, Y., Stepanova, E.V., Dotsch, R., and Todorov, A. (2015). The development of race-based perceptual categorization: Skin color dominates early category judgments. Developmental Science 18(3), 469-483. DOI: 10.1111/desc.12228
Rhodes, M., Leslie, S-J, Saunders, K., Dunham, Y., and Cimpian, A. (In Press). How does social essentialism affect the development of inter-group relations? Developmental Science. Retrieved from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306482087_How_does_social_essentialism_affect_the_development_of_inter-group_relations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306482087_How_does_social_essentialism_affect_the_development_of_inter-group_relations)
Richter, N., Over, H., and Dunham, Y. (2016). The effects of minimal group membership on young preschoolers’ social preferences, estimates of similarity, and behavioral attribution. Collabra 2(1), p.1-8. DOI: : 10.1525/collabra.44
 


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<div>In previous episodes we looked at Waldorf and Montessori approaches to early childhood education; today we examine the Reggio Emilia-based approach with Suzanne Axelsson, who studied it for her Master’s degree in early childhood education and is well-respected in the Reggio field.  She helps us to understand how the “concept of the child” impacts how we see the child and support their learning, and what are the “hundred languages of children”…</div>
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<div><strong>Suzanne Axelsson's Book</strong></div>
<div><a href="https://amzn.to/3ECGOSt">The original learning approach: Weaving together playing, learning, and teaching in early childhood</a> - Affiliate link</div>
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<strong>References</strong>

Bodrova, E., &amp; Leong, D.J. (2006). Tools of the mind: The Vygotskian approach to early childhood education (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). New York, NY: Pearson.

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Edwards, C., Gandini, L., &amp; Forman, G. (Eds.). (2012). The hundred languages of children: The Reggio Emilia experience in transformation.

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.54">[00:27]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called Is a Reggio Emilia Preschool Right for My Child. So this is the third in our mini series about different approaches to preschool education and today’s episode is going to be a little bit odd for me because I actually know a fair bit about the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education, but I went out and found us a real expert to talk with and I’m going to pretend like I don’t know very much so that we can ask the kinds of questions that people here are new to Reggio Emilia might ask. Our guest today, Suzanne Axleson received her master’s degree in early childhood education at Sheffield University in England, where she specialized in Reggio Emilia language and communication and documentation as a tool to aid memory and deepen children’s learning. She has 20 years of experience teaching in a variety of early years settings including traditional Swedish preschool and Montessori. Suzanne recently worked at Filosofiska, which I hope I’m pronouncing correctly, Sweden’s first preschool with a philosophical profile where she developed an approach to use philosophy as a pedagogic tool for young children, but she recently decided to spend some time collecting her thoughts in preparation for writing a book on how to use listening to improve pedagogical outcomes. Welcome, Suzanne.

Suzanne:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.86">[01:39]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.91">[01:40]</a></u>

Thanks so much for joining us today. I wonder if you could tell us about how you first learned about the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education and what about it spoke to you?

Suzanne: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.26">[01:49]</a></u>

It was round about 2007 when I was working in a preschool and there were teachers talking about that this is a new approach to this preschool should take and we looked into it so we realized this was something we were going to do and so I looked more into it and realized it spoke to me because it’s more or less what I’ve been doing all the time. It was about observing the children and listening to the children and making sure that the learning was happening appropriately for them. So it felt like a natural contraction of how I was working as an educator but to deepen that, to learn more about it.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.43">[02:27]</a></u>

Okay, and what specific elements of the practice were you referring to there?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.32">[02:32]</a></u>

When working with projects the children will find something of interest and then you will go into their interest and deepen their understanding of this by if for example, it was dinosaurs, it would not just be looking at everything that was dinosaurs and learning facts about dinosaurs. Why was it they were interested in dinosaurs and quite often it was finding out more about their fears and finding out more about how they themselves build things or created things or drew things and interacted with what was scary or it was different depending on the group of children, so dinosaurs was never – I’ve done it many different times, but he’s never been exactly the same.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.7">[03:13]</a></u>

Hm. And is never exactly the same because the children are never exactly the same. Right?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.62">[03:18]</a></u>

They all have their different approaches. Some children have been – they’ve wanted to be paleontologists, so they wanted to go and pretend that we’re finding fossils and it’s all been about the bones and connected to the bones in their own body, so it was like an exploration of their own body through the dinosaur bones while others, It’s been definitely the fear. There’s something was those big scary teeth was what was fascinating them. There were more of the fear exploration during that time.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.29">[03:45]</a></u>

Okay.

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.41">[03:46]</a></u>

It’s always been an interesting way to… It gives us the opportunity to look at, to, to discover what children are learning, but they give me a new perspective on the same thing. So I never go and see dinosaurs and exactly the same way.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.61">[03:59]</a></u>

Mm. Yeah. Okay. Um, so I wonder if for somebody who’s never seen a Reggio classroom before, can you walk us through what one looks like in your mind? What does the room look like and what are the children doing and and how do they move through their day?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=253.28">[04:13]</a></u>

In my mind, the classroom would be one would inspire learning now look around and I would know the children were interested in and know what they’ve been doing recently because there’d be documentation on the wall and that everything would be accessible for the children or most things will be accessible for the children because sometimes you can’t have everything out all at once. The children will be busy. They will be engaged. It would have freedom, freedom to move around and the classrooms from what I’m used to, when I’ve observed classrooms in the U.S. Have been more like a classroom while I’m used to the children being exposed to a whole series of rooms that they can move in and out of, so they have even more freedom here in Sweden and then what they do in the US, so um, aesthetic, it would be beautiful, but then what beautiful is, is can be quite different from preschool to another preschool because you’ve got to include your own culture and your own context.

Suzanne:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.85">[05:17]</a></u>

I think when I’ve observed schools in the US, they’ve had an awful lot of things on the walls while here in Sweden and not quite so many things on the walls, so there’s huge differences in how Reggio is being interpreted, but it’s not just the beautiful classroom is not enough is how the classroom is designed to create interactions with the teacher, with the materials, with children, with each other. So it’s not so much about a beautiful looking classroom is it’s very much about a room that is created with consideration for children and consideration for their interactions and consideration for the interests and learning of the children.

Jen:    <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This episode is the final in our mini-series that I hope will help you to think through the options you might have for your child’s preschool.</div>
<div></div>
<div>In previous episodes we looked at Waldorf and Montessori approaches to early childhood education; today we examine the Reggio Emilia-based approach with Suzanne Axelsson, who studied it for her Master’s degree in early childhood education and is well-respected in the Reggio field.  She helps us to understand how the “concept of the child” impacts how we see the child and support their learning, and what are the “hundred languages of children”…</div>
<div></div>
<div><strong>Suzanne Axelsson's Book</strong></div>
<div><a href="https://amzn.to/3ECGOSt">The original learning approach: Weaving together playing, learning, and teaching in early childhood</a> - Affiliate link</div>
<div></div>
<strong>References</strong>

Bodrova, E., &amp; Leong, D.J. (2006). Tools of the mind: The Vygotskian approach to early childhood education (2<sup>nd</sup> Ed.). New York, NY: Pearson.

<hr />

Edwards, C., Gandini, L., &amp; Forman, G. (Eds.). (2012). The hundred languages of children: The Reggio Emilia experience in transformation.

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Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called Is a Reggio Emilia Preschool Right for My Child. So this is the third in our mini series about different approaches to preschool education and today’s episode is going to be a little bit odd for me because I actually know a fair bit about the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education, but I went out and found us a real expert to talk with and I’m going to pretend like I don’t know very much so that we can ask the kinds of questions that people here are new to Reggio Emilia might ask. Our guest today, Suzanne Axleson received her master’s degree in early childhood education at Sheffield University in England, where she specialized in Reggio Emilia language and communication and documentation as a tool to aid memory and deepen children’s learning. She has 20 years of experience teaching in a variety of early years settings including traditional Swedish preschool and Montessori. Suzanne recently worked at Filosofiska, which I hope I’m pronouncing correctly, Sweden’s first preschool with a philosophical profile where she developed an approach to use philosophy as a pedagogic tool for young children, but she recently decided to spend some time collecting her thoughts in preparation for writing a book on how to use listening to improve pedagogical outcomes. Welcome, Suzanne.

Suzanne:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.86">[01:39]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.91">[01:40]</a></u>

Thanks so much for joining us today. I wonder if you could tell us about how you first learned about the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education and what about it spoke to you?

Suzanne: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.26">[01:49]</a></u>

It was round about 2007 when I was working in a preschool and there were teachers talking about that this is a new approach to this preschool should take and we looked into it so we realized this was something we were going to do and so I looked more into it and realized it spoke to me because it’s more or less what I’ve been doing all the time. It was about observing the children and listening to the children and making sure that the learning was happening appropriately for them. So it felt like a natural contraction of how I was working as an educator but to deepen that, to learn more about it.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.43">[02:27]</a></u>

Okay, and what specific elements of the practice were you referring to there?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.32">[02:32]</a></u>

When working with projects the children will find something of interest and then you will go into their interest and deepen their understanding of this by if for example, it was dinosaurs, it would not just be looking at everything that was dinosaurs and learning facts about dinosaurs. Why was it they were interested in dinosaurs and quite often it was finding out more about their fears and finding out more about how they themselves build things or created things or drew things and interacted with what was scary or it was different depending on the group of children, so dinosaurs was never – I’ve done it many different times, but he’s never been exactly the same.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.7">[03:13]</a></u>

Hm. And is never exactly the same because the children are never exactly the same. Right?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.62">[03:18]</a></u>

They all have their different approaches. Some children have been – they’ve wanted to be paleontologists, so they wanted to go and pretend that we’re finding fossils and it’s all been about the bones and connected to the bones in their own body, so it was like an exploration of their own body through the dinosaur bones while others, It’s been definitely the fear. There’s something was those big scary teeth was what was fascinating them. There were more of the fear exploration during that time.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.29">[03:45]</a></u>

Okay.

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.41">[03:46]</a></u>

It’s always been an interesting way to… It gives us the opportunity to look at, to, to discover what children are learning, but they give me a new perspective on the same thing. So I never go and see dinosaurs and exactly the same way.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.61">[03:59]</a></u>

Mm. Yeah. Okay. Um, so I wonder if for somebody who’s never seen a Reggio classroom before, can you walk us through what one looks like in your mind? What does the room look like and what are the children doing and and how do they move through their day?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=253.28">[04:13]</a></u>

In my mind, the classroom would be one would inspire learning now look around and I would know the children were interested in and know what they’ve been doing recently because there’d be documentation on the wall and that everything would be accessible for the children or most things will be accessible for the children because sometimes you can’t have everything out all at once. The children will be busy. They will be engaged. It would have freedom, freedom to move around and the classrooms from what I’m used to, when I’ve observed classrooms in the U.S. Have been more like a classroom while I’m used to the children being exposed to a whole series of rooms that they can move in and out of, so they have even more freedom here in Sweden and then what they do in the US, so um, aesthetic, it would be beautiful, but then what beautiful is, is can be quite different from preschool to another preschool because you’ve got to include your own culture and your own context.

Suzanne:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.85">[05:17]</a></u>

I think when I’ve observed schools in the US, they’ve had an awful lot of things on the walls while here in Sweden and not quite so many things on the walls, so there’s huge differences in how Reggio is being interpreted, but it’s not just the beautiful classroom is not enough is how the classroom is designed to create interactions with the teacher, with the materials, with children, with each other. So it’s not so much about a beautiful looking classroom is it’s very much about a room that is created with consideration for children and consideration for their interactions and consideration for the interests and learning of the children.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=367.59">[06:07]</a></u>

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I am a member of a couple of different Reggio-based groups on facebook and I think that especially the teachers who are newer to it tend to get hung up on the beauty of the classroom and it tends to be a lot of wood in the classroom and a lot of wicker baskets and I think sometimes think that if they were doing the wood and the wicker baskets, they’re “doing Reggio” and I think it’s important to remember that the beauty of the classroom is sort of a way of grounding us, but it’s not what. It’s not what Reggio is, right?

Suzanne:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=398.77">[06:38]</a></u>

Absolutely.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=400.29">[06:40]</a></u>

Yeah. I wonder if you can help us understand a bit about the origination of the Reggio approach because this is… When I’ve spoken with in a Montessori and Waldorf educators this is the point in the interview where I normally talk about certifications and school accreditation, but that, that doesn’t exist for Reggio, right?

Suzanne:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=416.73">[06:56]</a></u>

Not in the same sense, no.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=418.93">[06:58]</a></u>

So can you. Can you help us understand that?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.2">[07:01]</a></u>

It started as an approach because at the end of the Second World War, they basically wanted a kind of education for their young children in Italy, the city of Reggio Emilia that would allow a more critical thinking, a more democratic approach that you wouldn’t just follow leaders blindly, they would actually question so that the children had the ability as adults to choose the right direction for their lives and not just follow. So it was always an approach. Malaguzzi was a very young man; and it was kind of surprising, I think he was only 24 when he started it

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=457.57">[07:37]</a></u>

Oh, I didn’t know that!

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=458.06">[07:38]</a></u>

I know; it kind of shocked me. This was a man who was very humble in his approach because he understood that he only knew a certain amount, so he wants to learn together with the children. So it’s always been this approach of learning together with the children and the children would be his teacher and he will be their teacher.

Suzanne:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.24">[07:56]</a></u>

And we would be co-researchers. So it’s more of an approach rather than a method. So it’s hard to become accredited in an approach, while a method is much easier to teach. Like the Montessori method, you learn the method of learning. Then you can apply this. While Malaguzzi really did not want to method because he felt this approach will be evolving all the time, like children, like society and culture is always evolving so we can’t have something that is fixed because if it’s fixed then it’s not going to be adjusting to the needs of our time and the needs of the culture that it finds itself in. A big part of why it appeals to me because it’s a pedagogy that is evolving rather than just this is the way it is and this is the way it should be.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=527.37">[08:47]</a></u>

Yeah, and it also, in my mind, makes it more relevant to different cultures. I think when you go to Reggio Emilia and you talk to the teachers there, they’re adamant that you know, you don’t go in and look at their what they’re doing in their classrooms and take and take that home with you and aim to copy it in your classroom because it’s not relevant in your culture. The idea is to kind of extract the way that they’re thinking about the issue and then go and apply that in some kind of topic relevant to learning that is relevant in your culture. Is that right?

Suzanne:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=560.77">[09:20]</a></u>

Exactly. The view of the child not as an empty vessel to be filled with information but the child is competent and to reach their own potential and we’re just scaffolding that learning; they’re building their own education. So I also appreciate that we don’t see the children as something that we have to fill and we are responsible for in that sense, but we are responsible in supporting this child to reach their own potential.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=591.09">[09:51]</a></u>

Yeah. Okay. So you brought up a couple of ideas there and I think one of those is the idea about constructivism, which is sort of the opposite of the way that school exists in the U.S., where you assume that the child is basically an empty vessel into which the teacher pours knowledge. Whereas Reggio views learning as a process that is co-constructed between two people and I think the example that you gave of Malaguzzi is great. You know, the idea that this person who was really the bedrock of the Reggio Emilia approach didn’t say, you know, this is my approach and I will teach it to you. He said, children, I will learn from you and you will learn from me. It seems as though that’s an awesome example of constructivism.

Suzanne:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=636.03">[10:36]</a></u>

Yes, yes.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=637.34">[10:37]</a></u>

Yeah. And so the other, the other idea that you mentioned was scaffolding. Can you tell us a bit more about that? And I should, I should, I should mention to listeners, we did a whole episode back on scaffolding. I think it was about episode four or five. So if you want an in-depth understanding of it, go back and check that out. But um, can you help us understand how scaffolding is used in a Reggio-based classroom?

Suzanne:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=656.05">[10:56]</a></u>

Well instead of just telling the children how to do it or what to do, you’re asking them open ended questions to do that open problem solving. It can take little bit longer, but then the children’s learning is that own learning and they can be proud of how they achieve this. I think it’s very easy for us to fill in the gaps for them, but the idea is that the children make that leap themselves and we just kind of give them the tools to be able to do that leap, or create the safe space for that learning to happen.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=689.31">[11:29]</a></u>

I wonder if you could give us an example of how that might work is there a situation that you’ve kind of scaffolded a child through recently that you could talk us through?

Suzanne: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=698.04">[11:38]</a></u>

I think a lot of things with outdoors and climbing, for me. I will not lift the child onto a swing. I will not lift the child to a climbing frame and I’m quite happy for them to be and to look at me with angry stares as if I’m the worst teacher on the planet because I know that they can do it and I will give them the tools and I will give the encouragement to keep trying. I’ll ask another child come in, I know that you can climb up here. Can you show them that the technique that you’ve used to climb there and to be with that child and to help them through that frustration until they get there and they get to the top of the climbing frame and they have this enormous pride that they have achieved this themselves.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7JYCugmQ1A92oLkIcXO3GCaAdHUvfOE3E3uxOIQqj_UiOqU7jmpuT2WIxlug0ZZZIi0gKqtTOJ4fj6Z8HpNjdfJWlSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=745.96">[12:25]</a></u>

Yeah. It seems to me as though you’re touching on a variety of different theories here.

Jen:     <u><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/reggio]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1499</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2017 02:03:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d6ed2f70-df6f-4ece-98cb-b8be4639d8bb/what-is-reggio-emilia.mp3" length="45111062" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This episode is the final in our mini-series that I hope will help you to think through the options you might have for your child&apos;s preschool. 

In previous episodes we looked at Waldorf and Montessori approaches to early childhood education; today we examine the Reggio Emilia-based approach with Suzanne Axelsson, who studied it for her Master&apos;s degree in early childhood education and is well-respected in the Reggio field.  She helps us to understand how the &quot;concept of the child&quot; impacts how we see the child and support their learning, and what are the &quot;hundred languages of children&quot;...</itunes:summary></item><item><title>026: Is my child lying to me? (Hint: Yes!)</title><itunes:title>026: Is my child lying to me? (Hint: Yes!)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div>Your kids don’t lie, right?  And if they did, you’d be able to tell, right?</div>
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<div>News flash: they do.  And you probably can’t.</div>
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<div>Dr. Kang Lee – who is one of the world’s experts in lying – tells us why children lie, how we can (try to) reduce the incidence of lying, and how we should handle it when we catch our children in a lie.</div>
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<div>And <a href="https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/cherry-tree-myth/">here’s the one story</a> that Dr. Lee says can help to prevent your child from lying…</div>
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<div><strong>Dr. Kang Lee's Book</strong></div>
<div><a href="https://amzn.to/3V5OYd1">Children and lying: A century of scientific research</a> - Affiliate link</div>
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<strong>Reference</strong>

Dr. Lee’s TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/kang_lee_can_you_really_tell_if_a_kid_is_lying

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.69">[00:30]</a></u>

Welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called My Child is Lying to Me! I became interested in this topic after I researched the episode on symbolic representation in art, which relies on the child’s understanding of what I know might be different from what she knows and that turns out that that concept is also important in lying because if I’m a toddler and as far as I know what’s in your head is the same as what’s in my head, why would I bother lying to you? And so I also started to wonder about the connections between lying and joking. After my one year old started telling me jokes: she would point to a pig and say “ats cow” and I’d say “really?” And she’d say “no.” So lying is a really pervasive human behavior, but I’m wondering how do children learn how to lie and why do they do it and is there anything we can do to encourage them to be more truthful more often. So let’s dive right into that topic in a conversation with Dr Kang Lee, who’s a University Distinguished Professor at the University of Toronto, Dr Lee received his B.S. and M.A. from Hangzhou University in China and his Ph.D from the University of New Brunswick in Canada. Dr Lee has been studying lying for a really long time, but we hope he’s going to tell us the truth today because we need the help. Welcome Dr Lee. Thanks for joining us.

Dr. Lee: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.92">[01:44]</a></u>

Hi. Thanks for inviting me to be part of your program.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.92">[01:48]</a></u>

Alright, so let’s start at the beginning. What are some of the reasons that people lie and do all people lie?

Dr. Lee:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.64">[01:54]</a></u>

So as far as I can tell, among the kids we have seen, we have seen possibly over 10,000 kids from all ages as young as two years of age, all the way up to 16, 17 years of age. The majority of them would lie in various kinds of situations. The first kind of like kids tell, tend to be motivated by self protection and typically what happens is when they have done something wrong, they haven’t done something I’m not supposed to do and then they have to cover that up and that’s one of the most frequent kind of lies kids tell. And the one of the earliest kind of lies kids tell.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.9">[02:37]</a></u>

Okay. And so I’m just thinking through what are the logical consequences of what you just said, if, if I try and set up my home so that there are fewer things that my child is not supposed to do so that I put things out of reach that she’s not supposed to play with. And you know, kids get into stuff and sometimes things happen, but am I reducing the possibility that my two year old is going to lie to me if I…no. We have our video on and you’re shaking your head.

Dr. Lee:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.08">[03:08]</a></u>

You know, the kids, the jobs of a child is to learn the various rules of our society. We actually have a lot of rules. You know, you should do this, you should do not do that. But you know, during the learning process, you know, the child does not always listen to you and they say do not touch this. It’s not going to be good. And then, but the child sometimes it has this problem we call a deficit in inhibitory control because they are learning to control their behaviors, but they are not quite there yet. That the brain is not matured to a point that, that the way wherever you tell a child not to do the immediately do not do it. It’s not going to happen. So then the child would do something even for adults and say don’t do this.

Dr. Lee:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.84">[03:54]</a></u>

And the adults also find it difficult to not do certain things that you tell them not to do. So because of this struggle, sometimes the kids would violate the rules, violate the things you know, you set out for kids, and then what they’re going to do. So because kids, they do not have political power, they do not have the physical power. So one of the things that they can turn to really is to, using their mind, their ability to use the language. So they discover very quickly, as soon as they learn how to speak basically, and they say, Oh yes, you know, if I just simply move the lips of my mouth, I actually can get mom to believe that I have not done something that I’m not supposed to do. And that actually happens around two and two and half years of age.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=287.43">[04:47]</a></u>

Okay. So, okay, so this starts really early then I’m thinking about, you know, why, why do people lie in general? And it seems as though there are a lot of reasons and we typically say, Oh, I want my child to be truthful all the time, but we’re not truthful all the time, right?

Dr. Lee:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.6">[05:05]</a></u>

No, no. And so the first kind of lies I call for self protection, right? So that happens all the time to just not sure, just make sure we do not get into trouble. And, and lying is a very, very efficient way of getting us out of trouble. So that’s the first kind of license. So I called self protection lies. Another kind of lines is for self personal benefits to gain something. For example, you know, you sometimes you want to get the toy you want, but you may have to lie to your brother or sister so that they will not touch the toy you really want. So that’s another kind of lies to win competition. And that happens all the time in the adult environment as well. But the third kind of lies interesting one that is the I call white lies.

Dr. Lee: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=355.28">[05:55]</a></u>

These are the lies we tell to avoid hurting another person’s feelings. And these are kinds of lies actually we are socialized to do, you know, we as parents, we want to raise our kids to be polite kids and in order to do that we actually sometimes teach our kids not to tell the truth. And the kids actually learn very quickly as soon as they turn three years of age, they would learn to not to say certain things that are going to hurt other people’s feelings. For example, if the child sees a person who, who has a facial anomoly, or the person is overweight. You don’t want any child to see, you know, see something like, “oh, you are fat,” or “you have something strange on your face.” Rather you want your child not to say anything. And then sometimes they even have to lie about it. And so, so these kinds of politeness kind of lies or white lies are actually socialized by us, by the society. So we do that all the time. You know, when we say oh, your hair cut looks great. You know, your dress looks great, your food looks great, you know, because just think about this. If you don’t tell white lies in some situations you’re not going to have any friends.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.17">[07:08]</a></u>

Your hair looks great by the way.

Dr. Lee:   <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Your kids don’t lie, right?  And if they did, you’d be able to tell, right?</div>
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<div>News flash: they do.  And you probably can’t.</div>
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<div>Dr. Kang Lee – who is one of the world’s experts in lying – tells us why children lie, how we can (try to) reduce the incidence of lying, and how we should handle it when we catch our children in a lie.</div>
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<div>And <a href="https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/cherry-tree-myth/">here’s the one story</a> that Dr. Lee says can help to prevent your child from lying…</div>
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<div><strong>Dr. Kang Lee's Book</strong></div>
<div><a href="https://amzn.to/3V5OYd1">Children and lying: A century of scientific research</a> - Affiliate link</div>
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<strong>Reference</strong>

Dr. Lee’s TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/kang_lee_can_you_really_tell_if_a_kid_is_lying

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.69">[00:30]</a></u>

Welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called My Child is Lying to Me! I became interested in this topic after I researched the episode on symbolic representation in art, which relies on the child’s understanding of what I know might be different from what she knows and that turns out that that concept is also important in lying because if I’m a toddler and as far as I know what’s in your head is the same as what’s in my head, why would I bother lying to you? And so I also started to wonder about the connections between lying and joking. After my one year old started telling me jokes: she would point to a pig and say “ats cow” and I’d say “really?” And she’d say “no.” So lying is a really pervasive human behavior, but I’m wondering how do children learn how to lie and why do they do it and is there anything we can do to encourage them to be more truthful more often. So let’s dive right into that topic in a conversation with Dr Kang Lee, who’s a University Distinguished Professor at the University of Toronto, Dr Lee received his B.S. and M.A. from Hangzhou University in China and his Ph.D from the University of New Brunswick in Canada. Dr Lee has been studying lying for a really long time, but we hope he’s going to tell us the truth today because we need the help. Welcome Dr Lee. Thanks for joining us.

Dr. Lee: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.92">[01:44]</a></u>

Hi. Thanks for inviting me to be part of your program.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.92">[01:48]</a></u>

Alright, so let’s start at the beginning. What are some of the reasons that people lie and do all people lie?

Dr. Lee:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.64">[01:54]</a></u>

So as far as I can tell, among the kids we have seen, we have seen possibly over 10,000 kids from all ages as young as two years of age, all the way up to 16, 17 years of age. The majority of them would lie in various kinds of situations. The first kind of like kids tell, tend to be motivated by self protection and typically what happens is when they have done something wrong, they haven’t done something I’m not supposed to do and then they have to cover that up and that’s one of the most frequent kind of lies kids tell. And the one of the earliest kind of lies kids tell.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.9">[02:37]</a></u>

Okay. And so I’m just thinking through what are the logical consequences of what you just said, if, if I try and set up my home so that there are fewer things that my child is not supposed to do so that I put things out of reach that she’s not supposed to play with. And you know, kids get into stuff and sometimes things happen, but am I reducing the possibility that my two year old is going to lie to me if I…no. We have our video on and you’re shaking your head.

Dr. Lee:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.08">[03:08]</a></u>

You know, the kids, the jobs of a child is to learn the various rules of our society. We actually have a lot of rules. You know, you should do this, you should do not do that. But you know, during the learning process, you know, the child does not always listen to you and they say do not touch this. It’s not going to be good. And then, but the child sometimes it has this problem we call a deficit in inhibitory control because they are learning to control their behaviors, but they are not quite there yet. That the brain is not matured to a point that, that the way wherever you tell a child not to do the immediately do not do it. It’s not going to happen. So then the child would do something even for adults and say don’t do this.

Dr. Lee:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.84">[03:54]</a></u>

And the adults also find it difficult to not do certain things that you tell them not to do. So because of this struggle, sometimes the kids would violate the rules, violate the things you know, you set out for kids, and then what they’re going to do. So because kids, they do not have political power, they do not have the physical power. So one of the things that they can turn to really is to, using their mind, their ability to use the language. So they discover very quickly, as soon as they learn how to speak basically, and they say, Oh yes, you know, if I just simply move the lips of my mouth, I actually can get mom to believe that I have not done something that I’m not supposed to do. And that actually happens around two and two and half years of age.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=287.43">[04:47]</a></u>

Okay. So, okay, so this starts really early then I’m thinking about, you know, why, why do people lie in general? And it seems as though there are a lot of reasons and we typically say, Oh, I want my child to be truthful all the time, but we’re not truthful all the time, right?

Dr. Lee:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.6">[05:05]</a></u>

No, no. And so the first kind of lies I call for self protection, right? So that happens all the time to just not sure, just make sure we do not get into trouble. And, and lying is a very, very efficient way of getting us out of trouble. So that’s the first kind of license. So I called self protection lies. Another kind of lines is for self personal benefits to gain something. For example, you know, you sometimes you want to get the toy you want, but you may have to lie to your brother or sister so that they will not touch the toy you really want. So that’s another kind of lies to win competition. And that happens all the time in the adult environment as well. But the third kind of lies interesting one that is the I call white lies.

Dr. Lee: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=355.28">[05:55]</a></u>

These are the lies we tell to avoid hurting another person’s feelings. And these are kinds of lies actually we are socialized to do, you know, we as parents, we want to raise our kids to be polite kids and in order to do that we actually sometimes teach our kids not to tell the truth. And the kids actually learn very quickly as soon as they turn three years of age, they would learn to not to say certain things that are going to hurt other people’s feelings. For example, if the child sees a person who, who has a facial anomoly, or the person is overweight. You don’t want any child to see, you know, see something like, “oh, you are fat,” or “you have something strange on your face.” Rather you want your child not to say anything. And then sometimes they even have to lie about it. And so, so these kinds of politeness kind of lies or white lies are actually socialized by us, by the society. So we do that all the time. You know, when we say oh, your hair cut looks great. You know, your dress looks great, your food looks great, you know, because just think about this. If you don’t tell white lies in some situations you’re not going to have any friends.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.17">[07:08]</a></u>

Your hair looks great by the way.

Dr. Lee:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=433.53">[07:13]</a></u>

I hope it does!

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=434.05">[07:14]</a></u>

And that that makes a ton of sense. But as a two year old, three year olds. I wonder how do they figure out the difference between the lies that we want them to tell and the lies that we don’t want them to tell.

Dr. Lee:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=443.79">[07:23]</a></u>

This is very confusing for kids. I mean we parents always say, tell the truth, you know, I want you to be the honest job and they do everything they could tweak, kind of convey this message. But at the same time when your child tells the truth and the parents actually don’t encourage them, for example, the child says, oh, that person is fair to right in front of the person. And the parents really get very embarrassed by that. And they say, you shouldn’t do this. You shouldn’t say that. And then the child gets confused and you said I have to be honest. Now you say no, so that kind of situation becomes an issue and a lot of parents are not prepared to teach their kids about different situations one are to tell the truth and sometimes you have to not to tell the truth all the time. So I think this kind of socialization should start early.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.75">[08:16]</a></u>

And when you say that what you mean is you should help the children to understand when they should tell a white lie and when they should tell the truth and how do you do that?

Dr. Lee:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=505.22">[08:25]</a></u>

Exactly. So when you are encouraging your child to tell a white lie, for example, you have to tell them why that’s important, the rationale behind it. And then when you ask your child not to tell a lie, you don’t say, do not tell her like don’t say it generically, but say, if this happens, I want you to tell me the truth. And that’s very important for the child to know from the very beginning in what kinds of situations lies are not permissible and in what kinds of situations lies are permissible.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=538.47">[08:58]</a></u>

That’s an awesome little nugget of wisdom for parents. And how old do you think children can be when they understand that, you know, my toddler is two and a half right now. Is that too early?

Dr. Lee: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=547.94">[09:07]</a></u>

Not really. So the, the are the studies showing that the kids are abroad this age are able to know that what is the true state of affairs and what is false. So the truth and false is understandable by about two yields by three and four years of age. They actually can tell the difference between a lie and the truth. So they are very sophisticated. And then another thing, you know, you mentioned about children’s representation of things in the world. We always, you know, thought kids under six years of age are unable to tell the difference between what’s imagined and what’s magical about what’s real and true. And they actually can tell very, very well. So something they have imagined in their brain and they can talk about that and something. They actually come up as a lie. They can tell the difference under six years of age. So they are very sophisticated.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=604.89">[10:04]</a></u>

Okay. So let’s jump to that topic a little bit and that was actually one of the reasons that I first reached out to you because if this kind of discrepancy in the literature that I was finding, you know, I had read the theory of mine doesn’t normally develop until around age four, but the children as young as two can tell lies and so can you tell us a bit about what theory of mind is and why it matters and where this discrepancy plays out in your work.

Dr. Lee:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=626.88">[10:26]</a></u>

So let me just backtrack a little bit. So we have been looking for various factors that make a child more likely to lie or less likely to lie. So we have looked at almost everything. We looked at gender; we wanted to know are girls more likely to lie the boys or vice versa. It turns out that there’s no difference. It’s boys and girls are equally likely to lie, and they equally lie well or not very well. So their skills of lying is also very similar. Then we say, okay, what about parents? Right? You know, do parents with different kinds of parenting styles, would they produce kids who like earlier or later it turns out that that also doesn’t matter. So no matter whether or not you are permissible parents or you are a very strict parents, your kids are still as much as likely to lie as the next kid.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=678.05">[11:18]</a></u>

There’s no hope!

Dr. Lee:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=680.06">[11:20]</a></u>

No hope. What about, let’s see, religion, right? So you’re more religious. Would a more religious family produce more truth tellers and turns out that’s not true either, so regardless of what religion, how much you practice it, your kids are still as likely to lie as the next kid in the next family. So I see. What else are we looked at? The children’s personalities all can maybe, you know, personality, right? Some kids are more shy than the others; will the more outgoing kids be more likely to lie more than the shy kids? It turned out that also is irrelevant. So we looked at at many, many factors and turn out there are two important factors I call ingredients for lying. So one is theory of mind. So this is the idea that I, you know, different people have different beliefs and knowledge about the world because it’s a very essential for lying because the point of lying is I know you don’t know what I know and therefore I can lie to you. And children actually understand this at about two years of age, if not earlier. Therefore it’s very likely your child is going to live very soon or has already.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=751.88">[12:31]</a></u>

Well, she already told me that a cow is a pig or a pig is a cow.

Dr. Lee:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=758.52">[12:38]</a></u>

They actually can tell the difference between what I know and what you know.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=761.62">[12:41]</a></u>

Okay. So before you move on from that, I want, I want to just tease that out a little bit. So there is sort of a classic test of theory of mind, which is that you go with your child into the kitchen maybe and you take some cookies out of the cookie jar where they normally are and you put them in the fridge and you say, okay, Daddy’s going to come into the kitchen in a minute and he wants a cookie. Where is he going to look for the cookies? And if your child says that he’s going to look in the cookie jar, then the idea is that your child doesn’t realize that daddy couldn’t know that we put the cookies in the fridge. And so I’ve read that if you do that test that you shouldn’t expect to see a child have theory of mind until around age four. So are there different tests that you can do to find it earlier or what’s going on here?

Dr. Lee:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=808.16">[13:28]</a></u>

Yes. So, so the different stages of learning about theory of mind. So they, the first one you need to know is like, I want something and you want something and what I want differs from what you want. That’s something the child already and stands around two years of age.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=826.67">[13:46]</a></u>

Yeah.

Dr. Lee:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NwWDhWR8rg1_OUJa6UaikiC6k5q5sbG24Y3H9OeLeD8KtckM6rJ262K9CZp7IgRcMw-NYSXtu_mSjhU-ZY-lqa5dmPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=827.16">[13:47]</a></u>

The other thing a child is able to understand around two years of age is what I can see is different from what you can see. What I know differs from what you know. So these are the two ingredients we already...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/lying]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1492</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2017 06:06:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3da64d5c-a095-474b-b14b-21d503a1bd49/why-do-children-lie.mp3" length="45266741" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Your kids don’t lie, right?  And if they did, you’d be able to tell, right?

News flash: they do.  And you probably can’t.

Dr. Kang Lee – who is one of the world’s experts in lying – tells us why children lie, how we can (try to) reduce the incidence of lying, and how we should handle it when we catch our children in a lie.

And https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/cherry-tree-myth/ (here’s the one story) that Dr. Lee says can help to prevent your child from lying…


Reference
Dr. Lee’s TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/kang_lee_can_you_really_tell_if_a_kid_is_lying
 
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Beverly helps us to understand the philosophy behind a Waldorf approach to early childhood education as well as answer those all-important questions like “Can I send my child to a Waldorf preschool even if s/he has plastic toys and watches TV?”.

<a href="https://blog.waldorfeducation.org/">Here’s the link</a> to the Essentials in Education blog that Beverly mentions in the episode, and <a href="https://www.waldorfeducation.org/">here is the official website</a> for her organization, the Association of Waldorf Schools of North America.

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<strong>References</strong>

Association of Waldorf Schools of North America (2015). <em>Waldorf Education.</em> Retrieved from: https://waldorfeducation.org/

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Edmunds, F. (2004).<em> An introduction to Steiner education</em>. Forest Row, UK: Sophia Books

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Howard, S. (n.d.).<em> Essentials of Waldorf early childhood education.</em> Retrieved from: http://www.waldorfearlychildhood.org/uploads/Howard%20Article.pdf
Petrash, J. (2002). <em>Understanding Waldorf education: Teaching from the inside out</em>. Beltsville, MD: Gryphon House

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Steiner, R. (1995). <em>The spirit of the Waldorf school.</em> Hudson, NY: Anthroposophic Press

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Steiner, R. (2001). <em>The renewal of education</em>. Great Barrington, MA: Anthroposophic Press

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Steiner, R. (2003). <em>What is Waldorf education?</em> Great Barrington, MA: SteinerBooks
Waldorf Early Childhood Association of America (2017). <em>WECAN.</em> Retrieved from: http://www.waldorfearlychildhood.org/

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.4">[00:30]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, which is called Is a Waldorf Preschool Right for my Child? Regular listeners might recall that we are doing a little mini series at the moment, examining the different approaches to preschool to try and help parents make a decision about which type of school might be right for their child. We’ve already covered Montessori, so if you miss that one, you might take it once to go back and take a listen. And today we’ll talk with Beverly Amico, who is the Executive Director of Advancement at the Association of Waldorf Schools of North America. Prior to this role, she was the head of school for three K through 12 Waldorf schools in Bethesda, Maryland; Boulder, Colorado, and Santa Fe, New Mexico, and was a life sciences teacher as well. She also sits on the board of the Council for American private education, which advocates for sound educational policy. Beverly received her bachelor’s degree in K through 12 health education from Penn State University. Welcome, Beverly.

Beverly: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.85">[01:22]</a></u>

Thank you. It’s a privilege to be here.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.52">[01:24]</a></u>

Thank you. So I’ve read that it’s really difficult to define the distinguishing features of a Waldorf education. Every book that I picked up said, well, we can’t really put our arms around what it is. I wonder if you could start out instead by imagining a Waldorf preschool classroom in your mind and walking us through that. What does the room look like and what are the children doing and how do they move through their day?

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.12">[01:46]</a></u>

Certainly, certainly. There were I think four words that often come to mind when you’re describing a Waldorf early childhood classroom and which will hopefully help your visitor, your listeners to be able to picture it. But first is simplicity. You’ll walk into a classroom and the surrounding environment has very few distractions. Children really don’t need much noise around them to explore and to hold their attention.

Beverly:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=136.02">[02:16]</a></u>

The second I’d like to use is the word goodness. Even the way the gestures of the teacher, the kind words, the soft speech, the calming rhythm, and children feel like they’re coming into a place and they feel nurtured. And then beauty, and you don’t necessarily expect this when you walk into an early childhood classroom, but the classrooms are really beautiful. There ae flowers and wooden toys and beautiful artwork on the walls and real elements of nature and that that just is, is good and healthy for all human beings to be surrounded by beauty. And then the last one, which is perhaps kind of the keystone of a welder for early childhood is this idea of wonder. It’s a place students can enter into and explorer and spark their imagination. I think even as an adult, if you’ve ever walked into an early childhood classroom, you immediately feel kind of nurtured and calm and cared for, for it’s really a very joyful place.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.98">[03:16]</a></u>

That sounds really cool. So what are the children spend their day doing in a Waldorf Preschool?

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=202.69">[03:22]</a></u>

Absolutely. Well, so every Waldorf school is different. They’re all independent. While we’re an association, each is different. So we do have some Waldorf early childhood classrooms that are even forest kindergartens or outdoor farm kindergartens. But traditionally our classes…There’s plenty of time for children to explore in what we’ll call child-initiated free play, exploring in nature, plenty of outdoor time, regardless of whether our location. My child was at a school in Minnesota and, and every day in that cold, in that snow, they were out to there exploring. Circle time, which is full of stories and songs and movement and a rich storytelling curriculum and puppet shows. And then there’s always some type of a project that the children are taking up for the day, whether it’s baking bread or watercolor painting or carving wood. And then the simple aspects of just being helpful in the classroom, whether it’s setting tables, folding napkins, making soup. So hopefully that gives you a little little picture of the day.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=273.5">[04:33]</a></u>

Yeah, it almost sounds like it’s a bit like a home environment in a classroom,

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.71">[04:38]</a></u>

That’s a very good way to, to define it. And the teachers are really, they’re kind of as a parent, as you would say, to be imitated and to look up to whether they’re cooking or folding or setting up the next group play environment there; it is really like a home.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.14">[05:02]</a></u>

Okay. And so as parents are looking at Waldorf schools and the teachers, I wonder if you can help us understand the certification for teachers and the accreditation for schools. I think your organization is the only one that accredits schools. Is that right?

Beverly:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.34">[05:17]</a></u>

Yes. I can certainly speak to those questions. So Waldorf teachers, their path is typically after completing an undergraduate degree or a master’s degree, they’ll then come to one of our several institutes to complete either a master’s degree or a certain certificate program in Waldorf teacher training programs vary according to the institute, it’s typically a two year program,

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.41">[05:44]</a></u>

So there’s a master’s degree in Waldorf education?

Beverly:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.33">[05:47]</a></u>

You can get a master’s degree in Waldorf Education and then some of our institutes just offer a certificate]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[This episode is the second in our mini-series on making decisions about preschools, which I know is on the minds of a lot of parents of young children at this time of year.  Today we speak with Beverly <span class="il">Amico</span>, the Director of Advancement at the Association of Waldorf Schools of North America.

Beverly helps us to understand the philosophy behind a Waldorf approach to early childhood education as well as answer those all-important questions like “Can I send my child to a Waldorf preschool even if s/he has plastic toys and watches TV?”.

<a href="https://blog.waldorfeducation.org/">Here’s the link</a> to the Essentials in Education blog that Beverly mentions in the episode, and <a href="https://www.waldorfeducation.org/">here is the official website</a> for her organization, the Association of Waldorf Schools of North America.

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<strong>References</strong>

Association of Waldorf Schools of North America (2015). <em>Waldorf Education.</em> Retrieved from: https://waldorfeducation.org/

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Edmunds, F. (2004).<em> An introduction to Steiner education</em>. Forest Row, UK: Sophia Books

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Howard, S. (n.d.).<em> Essentials of Waldorf early childhood education.</em> Retrieved from: http://www.waldorfearlychildhood.org/uploads/Howard%20Article.pdf
Petrash, J. (2002). <em>Understanding Waldorf education: Teaching from the inside out</em>. Beltsville, MD: Gryphon House

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Steiner, R. (1995). <em>The spirit of the Waldorf school.</em> Hudson, NY: Anthroposophic Press

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Steiner, R. (2001). <em>The renewal of education</em>. Great Barrington, MA: Anthroposophic Press

<hr />

Steiner, R. (2003). <em>What is Waldorf education?</em> Great Barrington, MA: SteinerBooks
Waldorf Early Childhood Association of America (2017). <em>WECAN.</em> Retrieved from: http://www.waldorfearlychildhood.org/

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Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.4">[00:30]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, which is called Is a Waldorf Preschool Right for my Child? Regular listeners might recall that we are doing a little mini series at the moment, examining the different approaches to preschool to try and help parents make a decision about which type of school might be right for their child. We’ve already covered Montessori, so if you miss that one, you might take it once to go back and take a listen. And today we’ll talk with Beverly Amico, who is the Executive Director of Advancement at the Association of Waldorf Schools of North America. Prior to this role, she was the head of school for three K through 12 Waldorf schools in Bethesda, Maryland; Boulder, Colorado, and Santa Fe, New Mexico, and was a life sciences teacher as well. She also sits on the board of the Council for American private education, which advocates for sound educational policy. Beverly received her bachelor’s degree in K through 12 health education from Penn State University. Welcome, Beverly.

Beverly: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.85">[01:22]</a></u>

Thank you. It’s a privilege to be here.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.52">[01:24]</a></u>

Thank you. So I’ve read that it’s really difficult to define the distinguishing features of a Waldorf education. Every book that I picked up said, well, we can’t really put our arms around what it is. I wonder if you could start out instead by imagining a Waldorf preschool classroom in your mind and walking us through that. What does the room look like and what are the children doing and how do they move through their day?

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.12">[01:46]</a></u>

Certainly, certainly. There were I think four words that often come to mind when you’re describing a Waldorf early childhood classroom and which will hopefully help your visitor, your listeners to be able to picture it. But first is simplicity. You’ll walk into a classroom and the surrounding environment has very few distractions. Children really don’t need much noise around them to explore and to hold their attention.

Beverly:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=136.02">[02:16]</a></u>

The second I’d like to use is the word goodness. Even the way the gestures of the teacher, the kind words, the soft speech, the calming rhythm, and children feel like they’re coming into a place and they feel nurtured. And then beauty, and you don’t necessarily expect this when you walk into an early childhood classroom, but the classrooms are really beautiful. There ae flowers and wooden toys and beautiful artwork on the walls and real elements of nature and that that just is, is good and healthy for all human beings to be surrounded by beauty. And then the last one, which is perhaps kind of the keystone of a welder for early childhood is this idea of wonder. It’s a place students can enter into and explorer and spark their imagination. I think even as an adult, if you’ve ever walked into an early childhood classroom, you immediately feel kind of nurtured and calm and cared for, for it’s really a very joyful place.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.98">[03:16]</a></u>

That sounds really cool. So what are the children spend their day doing in a Waldorf Preschool?

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=202.69">[03:22]</a></u>

Absolutely. Well, so every Waldorf school is different. They’re all independent. While we’re an association, each is different. So we do have some Waldorf early childhood classrooms that are even forest kindergartens or outdoor farm kindergartens. But traditionally our classes…There’s plenty of time for children to explore in what we’ll call child-initiated free play, exploring in nature, plenty of outdoor time, regardless of whether our location. My child was at a school in Minnesota and, and every day in that cold, in that snow, they were out to there exploring. Circle time, which is full of stories and songs and movement and a rich storytelling curriculum and puppet shows. And then there’s always some type of a project that the children are taking up for the day, whether it’s baking bread or watercolor painting or carving wood. And then the simple aspects of just being helpful in the classroom, whether it’s setting tables, folding napkins, making soup. So hopefully that gives you a little little picture of the day.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=273.5">[04:33]</a></u>

Yeah, it almost sounds like it’s a bit like a home environment in a classroom,

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.71">[04:38]</a></u>

That’s a very good way to, to define it. And the teachers are really, they’re kind of as a parent, as you would say, to be imitated and to look up to whether they’re cooking or folding or setting up the next group play environment there; it is really like a home.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.14">[05:02]</a></u>

Okay. And so as parents are looking at Waldorf schools and the teachers, I wonder if you can help us understand the certification for teachers and the accreditation for schools. I think your organization is the only one that accredits schools. Is that right?

Beverly:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.34">[05:17]</a></u>

Yes. I can certainly speak to those questions. So Waldorf teachers, their path is typically after completing an undergraduate degree or a master’s degree, they’ll then come to one of our several institutes to complete either a master’s degree or a certain certificate program in Waldorf teacher training programs vary according to the institute, it’s typically a two year program,

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.41">[05:44]</a></u>

So there’s a master’s degree in Waldorf education?

Beverly:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.33">[05:47]</a></u>

You can get a master’s degree in Waldorf Education and then some of our institutes just offer a certificate program. So it depends which, which institute that you go to.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=357.63">[05:57]</a></u>

Okay. And is it fairly common for Waldorf schools to have teachers who have been through that master’s program or is it that one of the teachers in the school might have it or maybe none. How common is it?

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=367.22">[06:07]</a></u>

Yeah, I would say it’s probably a quarter that had the master’s degree and the remaining that have in Undergrad or a master’s degree in something else then have gone through the certificate program.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=384.35">[06:24]</a></u>

Okay. And so do you ever see schools that aren’t accredited by an organization that call themselves world or. And if so, what should parents look for to really judge the quality of a real Waldorf school?

Beverly: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=398.78">[06:38]</a></u>

Sure. Well, I can speak to that. And first of all, I’ll say that there are public charter schools that are inspired by Waldorf Education, um, so, you know, those are, are plentiful and we’re pleased that that they’re out there and thriving. And in terms of public education, the schools that are inspired by Waldorf schools, they would be part of a group called the Association for Public Waldorf Education. So that’s just a mark for a parent that is going perhaps in that direction. The Waldorf schools in the United States are all members of our association. And to confirm that, it’s usually as simple as looking on the homepage of their website and noting our logo somewhere on that page just saying that, that they’re members of the association, but it’s also a question that could easily be asked. And all of our members go through a multi year kind of rigorous path to membership where they receive mentoring that’s offered by schools in their regional circle. They receive regular visits and evaluations. And then the final stage of that process is accreditation. And this really the path is meant not only to help ensure quality and consistency, but to really ensure that a school is staying true to the principles of Waldorf education.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=485.4">[08:05]</a></u>

Okay. Alright, so let’s dig into that then since you sent me. So who was Rudolf Steiner and, and how did he develop this approach to education and why is it called Waldorf?

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.3">[08:16]</a></u>

Okay. Well, the reason it was called Waldorf is this… Well, first let’s go to the Rudolph. Rudolph Steiner was an Austrian philosopher and scientist and he was at the time working to find solutions and I would also say healing for a broken a post World War One society. And so in 1919 Emil Malt, who was the owner of the Waldorf cigarette factory in Germany, approached Rudolph Steiner to start a school. So that’s where the name Walder comes from. And then this school at that time was quite radical and it was the boys and girls should be educated together that the school would be open to children regardless of economic standing and that the teachers who were closest to the children and their needs would be those that would be responsible for all things pedagogical. So that wouldn’t be the government and it wouldn’t be government intervention. And really the goal and the development of the program at a very small goal was to change and revitalize society through education.

Beverly:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=571.51">[09:31]</a></u>

So that’s what we’re working to do. So we are now approaching almost 100 years of Waldorf education in the world, but that’s a little bit of its history and who Rudolph Steiner was.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=584.551">[09:44]</a></u>

OK. How did he come up with this approach then the principles that, that the, the educational system sits on there. How did he decide that society needed changing and how he was going to do it and, and how that was a valid way of doing it.

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=598.351">[09:58]</a></u>

Well, so society at clearly at that point needed changing, um, you know, this was post World War one in Germany and it was a very broken society and trying to figure out how to rebuild. He was actually very involved, more on the, what is the right kind of economic path and how do we work politically in our country. So that he was really focused on that aspect and that’s how he came together with Emil Malt originally.

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=633.51">[10:33]</a></u>

But what he developed at the time, and I won’t go into too much detail on it because it wouldn’t be so relevant to your audience, but he was really working on something in the cultural sphere called the threefold social order. Where the hope was that communities would really come together and businesses would come together in supporting schools and community. And the foundation of his philosophy is something called anthroposophy. And anthroposophy in in brief, is the belief that all humans are both physical and spiritual beings, and that each person in themselves has the wisdom to really transform humanity in the world which was so needed at that time through their own inner development. So practically in the classroom, um, teachers work to cultivate a sense of wonder, to inspire children to view the world even in its most basic form as magnificent. I’m really aiming to prompt each student to embrace life with enthusiasm, initiative purpose, but most importantly a strong moral compass. So anyway, long answer to a very long question. Complicated question actually.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=721.05">[12:01]</a></u>

Totally understand. So, okay. So anthroposophy sounds as though…in the sense of wonder. I can totally understand the validity of that and why it’s important to cultivate that in, in children. And I could imagine that people who have a religious background would be really interested in that too. What would you say to someone who doesn’t come from a religious background? Is, is there any link between anthroposophy and organized religion?

Beverly:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=746.2">[12:26]</a></u>

No, there is certainly a religious strain called the Christian community that comes from anthroposophy, but that is not anthroposophy in general. It’s actually not a religion at all. It’s a philosophy that people, regardless of religion, really come around and it’s certainly not anything that’s taught in our classrooms.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=768.39">[12:48]</a></u>

Okay. So there’s no kind of religious component to Waldorf education?

Beverly:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=771.98">[12:51]</a></u>

No. The religious component to Waldorf education is really historical perspectives of many religions. So it’s really kind of this a celebration of the world’s humanity and many, many religions versus anything specific.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=789.8">[13:09]</a></u>

Okay. And so while we’re on the topic of words that I don’t fully understand, what’s eurythmy?

Beverly:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LaMV1oBHZrnhCUW9Cd0DSWwEyk_-EUtoMn-W-gr4KXpl7L8kjehnHDXob1k9RW9wNAFUpw1XKynMxxA5KguZDuDpYqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=796.63">[13:16]</a></u>

Oh, eurythmy! So I’ll try to make that one a little bit more simple. So eurythmy is Greek comes from a Greek word, meaning beautiful or harmonious rhythm. So hopefully that can help you picture it a little bit. It’s an art form, a form of dance, and Rudolf Steiner defined it as visible speech or speech in movement or visible music, it could be called. And we offer eurythmy… It’s very unique to Waldorf schools, this form of movement really benefits students on many levels, whether it’s balanced sense of space, grace, coordination, expression, speech, working in]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/waldorf-preschool-right-child]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1489</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 06:04:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3e004b2a-f6ae-451c-b4a8-687d2c8efe10/waldorf.mp3" length="39567901" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>This episode is the second in our mini-series on making decisions about preschools, which I know is on the minds of a lot of parents of young children at this time of year.  Today we speak with Beverly Amico, the Director of Advancement at the Association of Waldorf Schools of North America.

Beverly helps us to understand the philosophy behind a Waldorf approach to early childhood education as well as answer those all-important questions like &quot;Can I send my child to a Waldorf preschool even if s/he has plastic toys and watches TV?&quot;.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>024: How (and when) does my child understand fairness?</title><itunes:title>024: How (and when) does my child understand fairness?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/ep-002-why-doesnt-my-toddler-share/">We talked a while ago about sharing</a>, and how you can understand the developmental processes that your child needs to go through before s/he truly understands what it means to share.

One of the inputs to sharing behavior is an understanding of what is <em>fair</em>, and Drs. Peter Blake and Katie McAuliffe talk us through what we know about what children understand about fairness.  This episode will help you to understand how much of the idea of fairness is naturally culturally transmitted to children and what you can do to encourage a sense of fairness in your child, which is important for their own social well-being and for the benefit of our society – this has implications for ideas like the development of perceptions about race and gender that we’ll be talking more about in upcoming episodes.

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<strong>References</strong>

Blake, P.R., Corbit, J., Callaghan, T.C., &amp; Warneken, F. (2016). Give as I give: Adult influence on children’s giving in two cultures. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 152, 149-160. DOI: 10.1016/j.jecp.2016.07.010

<hr />

Blake, P.R., McAuliffe, K., Corbit, J., Callaghan, T.C., Barry, O, Bowie, A., Kleutsch, L., Kramer, K.L., Ross, E., Vongsachang, H., Wrangham, R., &amp; Warneken, F. (2015). The ontogeny of fairness in seven societies. Nature 528, 258-261. DOI:10.1038/nature15703

<hr />

Blake, P.R., Rand, D.G., Tingley, D., &amp; Warneken, F. (2015). The shadow of the future promotes cooperation in a repeated prisoner’s dilemma for children. Scientific Reports 5, Article number 14559. DOI: 10.1038/srep14559

<hr />

Blake, P.R., &amp; McAuliffe, K. (2011). “I had so much it didn’t seem fair”: Eight-year-olds reject two forms of inequity. Cognition 120, 215-224. DOI: 10.1016/j.cognition.2011.04.006

<hr />

Bronfenbrenner, U. (1979). The ecology of human development: Experiments by nature and design. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

<hr />

Chernyak, N., &amp; Kushnir, T. (2013). Giving preschoolers choice increases sharing behavior. Psychological Science 24, 1971-1979.

<hr />

Jordan, J.J., McAuliffe, K., &amp; Warneken, F. (2014). Development of in-group favoritism in children’s third-party punishment of selfishness. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 111(35), 12710-12715. DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1402280111

<hr />

McAuliffe, K., Blake, P.R., Steinbeis, N., &amp; Warneken, F. (2017). The developmental foundations of human fairness.  Nature (Human Behavior) 1 (Article 00042), 1-9.

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McAuliffe, K., Jordan, J.J., &amp; Warneken, F. (2015). Costly third-party punishment in young children. Cognition 134, 1-10. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cognition.2014.08.013">10.1016/j.cognition.2014.08.013</a>

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Schmuckler, M.A. (2001). What is ecological validity? A dimensional analysis. Infancy 2(4), 419-436. Full article available at: http://utsc.utoronto.ca/~marksch/Schmuckler%202001.pdf

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.421">[00:30]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called What Do Children Understand About Fairness? And I have two very special guests with me to discuss this topic. Dr Peter Blake earned has doctorate in education at Harvard University and is currently an Assistant Professor at Boston University’s Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences. His research focuses on three important foundations of human life, cooperation, fairness and ownership, and so he asks questions in his research like when should you share and when should you compete for resources? Is equal always fair or can you sometimes keep more for yourself? And how do you know when a toy is owned and what does that mean? Right now he’s working on extending projects, the different cultures, so we can better understand whether children in all cultures develop in similar ways at similar times and what cultural variables influence that development. Welcome Dr Blake.

Dr. Blake: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.87">[01:21]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.7">[01:22]</a></u>

And Dr. Katie McAuliffe is an assistant professor in the Department of Psychology at Boston College, which I just learned as different from Boston University. She two studies, the development and evolution of cooperation in humans with a special focus on how children acquire and enforced fairness norms. She’s made the rounds of Harvard, Yale, and Cambridge, and her educational career. I think the only one she’s missing is Oxford. Welcome Dr McAuliffe.

Dr. McAuliffe:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.71">[01:44]</a></u>

Hi; nice to be here. Thanks.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.75">[01:45]</a></u>

Thank you so much for being here. So let’s start with a question that seems really simple, but I’m guessing there’s probably more to it than, than maybe I might imagine. Can you tell us what fairness is?

Dr. Blake: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.71">[01:56]</a></u>

Yeah, that’s, that’s the big question and it is a very complicated answer. So fairness is a, is a very complex concept, particularly for adults and we know that equal is not always fair, but equality does provide a kind of starting point for us to understand how children figure out what is fair and what is not. So we tend to focus our research in a couple of ways. One way is that we focus on the allocation of resources which has also been called distributive justice, how you distribute resources between people. So we focus on that aspect of fairness as opposed to social status and things like that. And we also focus around this idea of equality and particularly what happens. How did children respond when they get less and get more than other kids.

Dr. McAuliffe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=171.9">[02:51]</a></u>

And I think studying how fairness develops in childhood is a nice way of showing how flexible the concept is. Because when we look at how children begin to think about fairness, you can see that what it means to be fair really varies depending on whether you’re a two year old or an eight year old.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.11">[03:08]</a></u>

How does that change?

Dr. McAuliffe:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.41">[03:09]</a></u>

Well, we can kind of get into that with lots of different studies, but maybe a sort of broad way to characterize the change, and this is based on work that was really done in the seventies is that fairness tends to start out as being quite self focused. So I want to make sure that I’m getting a good deal, and it goes through a period of sort of really caring about equality as Peter said, as a sort of benchmark of justice and then it becomes much more nuanced or you can take different perspectives into account and understand that sometimes someone is more deserving or more needy and therefore inequality is acceptable under certain situations.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.71">[03:46]</a></u>

Most of the parents listening to this show are parents of toddlers and, and some parents of preschoolers. And I know that you start to study children kind of around about age four or five years. Why don’t you study children younger than that? What is it that makes that difficult?

Dr. Blake:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.77">[04:01]</a></u>

It’s primarily that there’s very different methods that are used for, for infants and toddlers, largely because they don’t have the verbal skills yet to do some of the tasks. We have tried to test children as young as three in some of our experiments. That works fine, but younger than that, we’ve found that they don’t do well on our tasks, but other people do research…have done research on infants. And one key thing that they found going back to this idea of equality is that even at about 15 months of age, infants expect resources to be distributed equally between two people. And they expect adults to divide things like food and toys equally. They’re surprised when this doesn’t happen. And this has...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/ep-002-why-doesnt-my-toddler-share/">We talked a while ago about sharing</a>, and how you can understand the developmental processes that your child needs to go through before s/he truly understands what it means to share.

One of the inputs to sharing behavior is an understanding of what is <em>fair</em>, and Drs. Peter Blake and Katie McAuliffe talk us through what we know about what children understand about fairness.  This episode will help you to understand how much of the idea of fairness is naturally culturally transmitted to children and what you can do to encourage a sense of fairness in your child, which is important for their own social well-being and for the benefit of our society – this has implications for ideas like the development of perceptions about race and gender that we’ll be talking more about in upcoming episodes.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Blake, P.R., Corbit, J., Callaghan, T.C., &amp; Warneken, F. (2016). Give as I give: Adult influence on children’s giving in two cultures. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 152, 149-160. DOI: 10.1016/j.jecp.2016.07.010

<hr />

Blake, P.R., McAuliffe, K., Corbit, J., Callaghan, T.C., Barry, O, Bowie, A., Kleutsch, L., Kramer, K.L., Ross, E., Vongsachang, H., Wrangham, R., &amp; Warneken, F. (2015). The ontogeny of fairness in seven societies. Nature 528, 258-261. DOI:10.1038/nature15703

<hr />

Blake, P.R., Rand, D.G., Tingley, D., &amp; Warneken, F. (2015). The shadow of the future promotes cooperation in a repeated prisoner’s dilemma for children. Scientific Reports 5, Article number 14559. DOI: 10.1038/srep14559

<hr />

Blake, P.R., &amp; McAuliffe, K. (2011). “I had so much it didn’t seem fair”: Eight-year-olds reject two forms of inequity. Cognition 120, 215-224. DOI: 10.1016/j.cognition.2011.04.006

<hr />

Bronfenbrenner, U. (1979). The ecology of human development: Experiments by nature and design. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

<hr />

Chernyak, N., &amp; Kushnir, T. (2013). Giving preschoolers choice increases sharing behavior. Psychological Science 24, 1971-1979.

<hr />

Jordan, J.J., McAuliffe, K., &amp; Warneken, F. (2014). Development of in-group favoritism in children’s third-party punishment of selfishness. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 111(35), 12710-12715. DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1402280111

<hr />

McAuliffe, K., Blake, P.R., Steinbeis, N., &amp; Warneken, F. (2017). The developmental foundations of human fairness.  Nature (Human Behavior) 1 (Article 00042), 1-9.

<hr />

McAuliffe, K., Jordan, J.J., &amp; Warneken, F. (2015). Costly third-party punishment in young children. Cognition 134, 1-10. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cognition.2014.08.013">10.1016/j.cognition.2014.08.013</a>

<hr />

Schmuckler, M.A. (2001). What is ecological validity? A dimensional analysis. Infancy 2(4), 419-436. Full article available at: http://utsc.utoronto.ca/~marksch/Schmuckler%202001.pdf

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Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called What Do Children Understand About Fairness? And I have two very special guests with me to discuss this topic. Dr Peter Blake earned has doctorate in education at Harvard University and is currently an Assistant Professor at Boston University’s Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences. His research focuses on three important foundations of human life, cooperation, fairness and ownership, and so he asks questions in his research like when should you share and when should you compete for resources? Is equal always fair or can you sometimes keep more for yourself? And how do you know when a toy is owned and what does that mean? Right now he’s working on extending projects, the different cultures, so we can better understand whether children in all cultures develop in similar ways at similar times and what cultural variables influence that development. Welcome Dr Blake.

Dr. Blake: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.87">[01:21]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.7">[01:22]</a></u>

And Dr. Katie McAuliffe is an assistant professor in the Department of Psychology at Boston College, which I just learned as different from Boston University. She two studies, the development and evolution of cooperation in humans with a special focus on how children acquire and enforced fairness norms. She’s made the rounds of Harvard, Yale, and Cambridge, and her educational career. I think the only one she’s missing is Oxford. Welcome Dr McAuliffe.

Dr. McAuliffe:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.71">[01:44]</a></u>

Hi; nice to be here. Thanks.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.75">[01:45]</a></u>

Thank you so much for being here. So let’s start with a question that seems really simple, but I’m guessing there’s probably more to it than, than maybe I might imagine. Can you tell us what fairness is?

Dr. Blake: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.71">[01:56]</a></u>

Yeah, that’s, that’s the big question and it is a very complicated answer. So fairness is a, is a very complex concept, particularly for adults and we know that equal is not always fair, but equality does provide a kind of starting point for us to understand how children figure out what is fair and what is not. So we tend to focus our research in a couple of ways. One way is that we focus on the allocation of resources which has also been called distributive justice, how you distribute resources between people. So we focus on that aspect of fairness as opposed to social status and things like that. And we also focus around this idea of equality and particularly what happens. How did children respond when they get less and get more than other kids.

Dr. McAuliffe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=171.9">[02:51]</a></u>

And I think studying how fairness develops in childhood is a nice way of showing how flexible the concept is. Because when we look at how children begin to think about fairness, you can see that what it means to be fair really varies depending on whether you’re a two year old or an eight year old.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.11">[03:08]</a></u>

How does that change?

Dr. McAuliffe:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.41">[03:09]</a></u>

Well, we can kind of get into that with lots of different studies, but maybe a sort of broad way to characterize the change, and this is based on work that was really done in the seventies is that fairness tends to start out as being quite self focused. So I want to make sure that I’m getting a good deal, and it goes through a period of sort of really caring about equality as Peter said, as a sort of benchmark of justice and then it becomes much more nuanced or you can take different perspectives into account and understand that sometimes someone is more deserving or more needy and therefore inequality is acceptable under certain situations.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.71">[03:46]</a></u>

Most of the parents listening to this show are parents of toddlers and, and some parents of preschoolers. And I know that you start to study children kind of around about age four or five years. Why don’t you study children younger than that? What is it that makes that difficult?

Dr. Blake:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.77">[04:01]</a></u>

It’s primarily that there’s very different methods that are used for, for infants and toddlers, largely because they don’t have the verbal skills yet to do some of the tasks. We have tried to test children as young as three in some of our experiments. That works fine, but younger than that, we’ve found that they don’t do well on our tasks, but other people do research…have done research on infants. And one key thing that they found going back to this idea of equality is that even at about 15 months of age, infants expect resources to be distributed equally between two people. And they expect adults to divide things like food and toys equally. They’re surprised when this doesn’t happen. And this has been shown in several different infant studies now. So that goes back to this idea of equality is a kind of foundation now where that comes from. This could have been learned through experience 15 months of age is still quite a long time of life, but they’re learning just by observing this, this isn’t based on their own behavior. So they’re not constructing this idea of equality from their own experience.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.29">[05:13]</a></u>

So are you saying that if I always make sure that I get a bigger piece of chocolate cake than my husband does, that my daughter might not understand fairness to mean equal?

Dr. Blake:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=322.21">[05:22]</a></u>

I wouldn’t go that far. But by the time we get up to about three years of age you can ask it explicitly what they think is fair. And one of the things that we’ve found in some of our studies is that when we give children a set of stickers, for example, and we asked them, how should you divide this up with another child? They’ll say, yeah, I should give half. But then when we give them a chance to actually give to the other child, they’ll keep more for themselves. So they, they recognize that there’s this norm of an equal split in that context, but they don’t follow it; they tend to favor themselves. And this is, uh, this idea of a bias to favor oneself is something we see in other variations of studies, including the big ones that Katie and I have worked on together.

Dr. McAuliffe:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=370.84">[06:10]</a></u>

And I think Peter is pointing to a really important distinction in the types of studies that are done looking at fairness sort of this children’s expectations of what ought to be done versus what they actually do. And so most of our work really focuses on children’s behavior, so we put them into these games inspired by behavioral economics where they’re making decisions that affect both their own payouts as well as a partners payout. And I think this is part of the reason why we tend to start around for those contingencies and the payoffs and the structures of the games are just hard to understand for children younger than than that age.

Dr. Blake:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=405.92">[06:45]</a></u>

And when we say economics to kids, we use candy and stickers as our currency.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=413.99">[06:53]</a></u>

Both things that are very attractive to kids. And so I’ve seen a bunch of, you know, I’ve read a lot of your papers and I’ve seen a bunch of diagrams of how you do these experiments. Can you just maybe talk us through one of these experiments and how you actually test this kind of thing?

Dr. McAuliffe:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.28">[07:08]</a></u>

Yeah. So the one that Peter and I started back when we were Grad students at Harvard is called the inequity game and this game that we developed that we’ve subsequently used across a lot of different papers and the way this works is we go out to different public areas and we recruit two children, typically children that do not know one another to play a face to face game. And in this game, one child makes all the decisions so they have control of this apparatus and they are making decisions that affect both how many Skittles they get as well as how many Skittles their partner gets. So they’re called the actor. They’re the one who’s making the decisions that we care about. Then the other participant is assigned the role of recipient. They’re sort of passive in this game. They just get whatever they get based on the actor’s decisions.

Dr. McAuliffe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.72">[07:52]</a></u>

Uh, and then from there the structure is really very simple. So an experimenter, we’ll put different amounts of candies on two trays, one for the actor, one for the recipient. And essentially the actor just decides, do I want to accept that allocation or do I want to reject it? And now if they accept it, they’ll get some candy and the recipient will get some candy. But if they reject it, and this is the interesting part, the candy gets put into a middle bowl and nobody gets to take those candies home. So it’s an all or nothing game. And we use this game to, to kind of understand what distributions children will accept and which ones they’ll reject. And sort of the simplest distinction is one where they’re either getting an equal pay off. So the actor is getting one candy and their partner is getting one candy.

Dr. McAuliffe:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=515.09">[08:35]</a></u>

And as you might imagine, children tend to be very happy to accept those allocations, but then we can put them in a situation where they’re getting less than their partner. So let’s say they’re getting one candy and their partner is getting four. So this is an interesting dilemma because now you know, presumably the actor wants that one Skittle, but you know, they don’t really want the partner to get more than them. So they have to decide, am I okay accepting one thing and letting my partner have more than me or would I rather we both get nothing. And what we find is that even children at the bottom end of our age range, so four year olds will reject those allocations.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.091">[09:09]</a></u>

Really?

Dr. McAuliffe: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=550.02">[09:10]</a></u>

Yeah. That means effectively they’re paying the price of one Skittle to prevent their partner from getting more than them. So that’s what you might’ve seen in our papers as that’s labeled disadvantageous inequity aversion. So it’s an aversion to pay off where I’m getting less than someone else. And then we can also in using this exact same game, look at the reverse form of this allocation. So one where the actor gets for candies and their partner gets one. So now you know, they get this amazing payoff. Their partner is getting less and now they face this sort of different dilemma, which is now I really want these four candies, but maybe I know it’s unfair to my partner. So should I accept them and let them get less than me or should I reject it and make, make us both get nothing? And they’re, what you might expect having interacted with children, is that young children are totally fine with those outcomes.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=600.14">[10:00]</a></u>

Did they ever take the four Skittles and then away from the game, give one to the other kid?

Dr. McAuliffe:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=605.22">[10:05]</a></u>

So that kind of behavior actually doesn’t happen spontaneously, but part of that might be that these children don’t know one another, like those things that would happen more organically in the relationship that’s established, just don’t happen that much in this. And we also tried to discourage talking and things like that to the best of our ability. But the interesting thing about this form of reaction is that children by about eight or nine, at least in America or the U.S. populations that we studied and tend to reject those. So here is a case where they’re sacrificing for candies to prevent a partner from getting less than them, which is really costly adherence to a norm of equality.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qSLZEVOQlc3TUbth_4EfSGSZ2v5HD-h27VDTuqsUXiG7BOysubgRmKx1J1LywsRzYzwQMatrBetI_w3ihXSvQQvtdTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=646.44">[10:46]</a></u>

Yeah, for sure. So you alluded to a question that I had in my mind about, you know, you do these experiments and you find children that don’t know each other and get them to divide candies across them. But most of the time if I have to share something, it’s probably with somebody that I know, you know, it’s not like I get one shot to take candy from you and then I never have to see you again. So how do we mesh the economic models that talk about how I’m supposed to try and get as much as I can for myself or the fairness models that say an equal split is the best thing with the idea that, you know, I have to see you again tomorrow. Well I don’t have to see YOU again tomorrow but I have to see my daughter again tomorrow and if I give her the short end of the stick, then she, she might end up remembering that.

Dr. Blake: <u><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/fairness]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1483</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2017 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e5b6619c-fc28-4630-8414-e49feba241c0/fairness.mp3" length="31548408" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>We talked a while ago about sharing, and how you can understand the developmental processes that your child needs to go through before s/he truly understands what it means to share.

One of the inputs to sharing behavior is an understanding of what is fair, and Drs. Peter Blake and Katie McAuliffe talk us through what we know about what children understand about fairness.  This episode will help you to understand how much of the idea of fairness is naturally culturally transmitted to children and what you can do to encourage a sense of fairness in your child, which is important for their own social well-being and for the benefit of our society.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>023: Is a Montessori preschool right for my child?</title><itunes:title>023: Is a Montessori preschool right for my child?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[It’s that time of year: daycare and preschool tours start ramping up and parents have to try to figure out which is the right option for their child.  And many parents are overwhelmed by the options.  Montessori?  Waldorf?  Reggio Emilia?  How are they different?  Will my child be messed up if I pick the wrong one?

This episode is the first in a mini-series to help us think through the questions you might have as you explore the options that are available in your community.

Today we’re going to learn about Dr. Maria Montessori’s approach to early childhood education and what it’s like to have a child in a Montessori preschool with Mary Ellen Kordas, the President of the Board of Directors at the American Montessori Society.

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<strong>References</strong>

Gray, P. (2011). The special value of children’s age-mixed play. American Journal of Play 3(4), 500-522. Full article available at: http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ985544.pdf

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Isaacs, B. (2012). Understanding the Montessori approach: Early years education in practice. New York, NY: Routledge.

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Lillard, A.S. (2005). Montessori: The science behind the genius. Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press.

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Lillard, P.P. (1996). Montessori today: A comprehensive approach to education from birth to adulthood. New York, NY: Schocken.

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Louv, V. (2008). Last child in the woods: Saving our children from nature-deficit disorder. New York, NY: Algonquin.

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Montessori, M. (1971). The Montessori Elementary Material (Trans. A. Livingston). Cambridge, MA: Robert Bentley, Inc.

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Wentworth, R.A.L. (1999). Montessori for the new millennium. Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.76">[00:05]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called Is a Montessori Preschool Right for my child? I sort of skipped the whole preschool touring and decision making thing. It turned out we had a nanny at the time and I had planned to actually to work with her friend the somewhat long term, but she decided to work with a family with a younger child. So we found ourselves rather abruptly in need of care and I’d been doing a lot of research on the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education at the time. And we were actually lucky enough to find a daycare that had space for her on short notice. And so we just kind of went with that. But I know a lot of parents are able to plan ahead and spend a bit more time choosing between the different options that might be available to them. And so to help with that process, I wanted to do a little mini series of episodes where we learn about some of the options that might be available in your community and today we’re going to learn about Dr Maria Montessori’s approach to early childhood education and what it’s like to have a child in a Montessori Preschool with Mary Ellen Cordis. Mary Ellen is the incoming President of the Board of Directors of the American Montessori Society and has over 40 years of experience as the head of a Montessori school in the San Francisco Bay Area, and as an advocacy champion of Montessori. Mary Ellen’s school was the first accredited Montessori school in the state. Welcome Mary Ellen.

Mary Ellen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.48">[01:43]</a></u>

Thank you very much. It’s wonderful to be here.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.16">[01:45]</a></u>

Thank you. So I wonder if you could first start off and tell us a little bit about how you learned about Montessori and what about it called to you and how you went through that process of becoming a leader in the Montessori movement.

Mary Ellen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.94">[01:56]</a></u>

If I’d only had you in my life, I may not have had to do all the research that I did, but this is exactly how I got involved is I had a three year old and I was looking around for what type of program I might enroll him in. Although I had come from the Midwest and preschool wasn’t that popular. People went to kindergarten and then they went to elementary school and that was pretty much how it was. So when a neighbor came around and said to me, I’m going to send Kathy, my son’s best friend, to the Montessori school. I said, what’s a Montessori school? And that began this journey. So the school had just opened. There were six children. My son was now going to be one of them and I fell in love. I found what really I thought was exactly what children needed. I was working with abused and neglected children at the time, and so I walked into a place where children were honored and respected and treated well and it just made my heart sing, so that was really my beginning.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=182.97">[03:02]</a></u>

Wow, that’s awesome. And so you’ve been at this for awhile now and I understand that there’s probably not one single Montessori experience, but I wonder for those of us who haven’t been to a Montessori school, can you kind of walk us through in your mind what it’s like to be in a Montessori classroom? What does the room look like? What are the children doing and how do they move through their day?

Mary Ellen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.88">[03:24]</a></u>

Sure, absolutely. Because it’s what drew me when I saw them in action. So first let me tell you that there are different levels in Montessori education. So what I’m going to choose to walk you through is a three to six classroom and that’s ages three years to six years, which is typical because there’s multiple ages in Montessori classrooms. So when you first enter a classroom, I think what you’re struck by first is the beauty that has been very intentionally created in the classroom.

Mary Ellen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.62">[03:56]</a></u>

The furniture is child-sized. There’s often plants or flowers on the table. The classroom is not cluttered on the walls with a lot of pictures of things. It’s usually tastefully done pictures, if they’re hung it all, are hung low enough for the children. It’s definitely designed for the children. There’s low shelves, often made of wood that surround the whole classroom and materials, that’s the usual, the working apparatus in the classroom are on those low shelves so that the children have free access to them. So what you would see in the classroom is children moving about the classroom freely, taking something off a shelf, taking it to a rug. The reason that you see rugs in the classroom is it just sort of defines a space for a child. There’s nothing magical about it, but because there’s usually 24 children or so in a classroom of mixed ages, it just helps define a space.

Mary Ellen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.63">[04:53]</a></u>

So they’ll take the material that they’re going to work onto a rug. They may work alone, they may invite a friend, you may look across the room and see a teacher sitting with five or six children doing a presentation. You probably would see a table with two children or three children sitting at it, having a snack and conversing amongst themselves. It feels very peaceful and when I hear people comment on what they see, when they see a classroom for the first time, they’re struck by the calm, and yet there’s a real energy because the children are working at their own pace. They’re taking things off the shelves as they want to work on them, and so it feels peaceful, yet you can feel the energy and the spirit of the children.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=338.7">[05:38]</a></u>

Wow, that sounds really awesome. Is there a kind of a set structure of the day that they do certain things for certain amounts of time?

Mary Ellen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.64">[05:47]</a></u>

So that’s an interesting question. So what you would often see is upon entry to a classroom, let’s assume that the class goes from nine to 12. That’s a three hour classroom. That’s very popular. You see it all over in many schools as well as full day classrooms, but say it’s a nine to 12. You’ll see the children arrive and there’ll be greeted at the door by the teacher. There’s usually two teachers in a classroom, but they would be greeted probably they would shake hands. They would...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[It’s that time of year: daycare and preschool tours start ramping up and parents have to try to figure out which is the right option for their child.  And many parents are overwhelmed by the options.  Montessori?  Waldorf?  Reggio Emilia?  How are they different?  Will my child be messed up if I pick the wrong one?

This episode is the first in a mini-series to help us think through the questions you might have as you explore the options that are available in your community.

Today we’re going to learn about Dr. Maria Montessori’s approach to early childhood education and what it’s like to have a child in a Montessori preschool with Mary Ellen Kordas, the President of the Board of Directors at the American Montessori Society.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Gray, P. (2011). The special value of children’s age-mixed play. American Journal of Play 3(4), 500-522. Full article available at: http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ985544.pdf

<hr />

Isaacs, B. (2012). Understanding the Montessori approach: Early years education in practice. New York, NY: Routledge.

<hr />

Lillard, A.S. (2005). Montessori: The science behind the genius. Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press.

<hr />

Lillard, P.P. (1996). Montessori today: A comprehensive approach to education from birth to adulthood. New York, NY: Schocken.

<hr />

Louv, V. (2008). Last child in the woods: Saving our children from nature-deficit disorder. New York, NY: Algonquin.

<hr />

Montessori, M. (1971). The Montessori Elementary Material (Trans. A. Livingston). Cambridge, MA: Robert Bentley, Inc.

<hr />

Wentworth, R.A.L. (1999). Montessori for the new millennium. Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

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Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.76">[00:05]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called Is a Montessori Preschool Right for my child? I sort of skipped the whole preschool touring and decision making thing. It turned out we had a nanny at the time and I had planned to actually to work with her friend the somewhat long term, but she decided to work with a family with a younger child. So we found ourselves rather abruptly in need of care and I’d been doing a lot of research on the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education at the time. And we were actually lucky enough to find a daycare that had space for her on short notice. And so we just kind of went with that. But I know a lot of parents are able to plan ahead and spend a bit more time choosing between the different options that might be available to them. And so to help with that process, I wanted to do a little mini series of episodes where we learn about some of the options that might be available in your community and today we’re going to learn about Dr Maria Montessori’s approach to early childhood education and what it’s like to have a child in a Montessori Preschool with Mary Ellen Cordis. Mary Ellen is the incoming President of the Board of Directors of the American Montessori Society and has over 40 years of experience as the head of a Montessori school in the San Francisco Bay Area, and as an advocacy champion of Montessori. Mary Ellen’s school was the first accredited Montessori school in the state. Welcome Mary Ellen.

Mary Ellen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.48">[01:43]</a></u>

Thank you very much. It’s wonderful to be here.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.16">[01:45]</a></u>

Thank you. So I wonder if you could first start off and tell us a little bit about how you learned about Montessori and what about it called to you and how you went through that process of becoming a leader in the Montessori movement.

Mary Ellen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.94">[01:56]</a></u>

If I’d only had you in my life, I may not have had to do all the research that I did, but this is exactly how I got involved is I had a three year old and I was looking around for what type of program I might enroll him in. Although I had come from the Midwest and preschool wasn’t that popular. People went to kindergarten and then they went to elementary school and that was pretty much how it was. So when a neighbor came around and said to me, I’m going to send Kathy, my son’s best friend, to the Montessori school. I said, what’s a Montessori school? And that began this journey. So the school had just opened. There were six children. My son was now going to be one of them and I fell in love. I found what really I thought was exactly what children needed. I was working with abused and neglected children at the time, and so I walked into a place where children were honored and respected and treated well and it just made my heart sing, so that was really my beginning.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=182.97">[03:02]</a></u>

Wow, that’s awesome. And so you’ve been at this for awhile now and I understand that there’s probably not one single Montessori experience, but I wonder for those of us who haven’t been to a Montessori school, can you kind of walk us through in your mind what it’s like to be in a Montessori classroom? What does the room look like? What are the children doing and how do they move through their day?

Mary Ellen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.88">[03:24]</a></u>

Sure, absolutely. Because it’s what drew me when I saw them in action. So first let me tell you that there are different levels in Montessori education. So what I’m going to choose to walk you through is a three to six classroom and that’s ages three years to six years, which is typical because there’s multiple ages in Montessori classrooms. So when you first enter a classroom, I think what you’re struck by first is the beauty that has been very intentionally created in the classroom.

Mary Ellen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.62">[03:56]</a></u>

The furniture is child-sized. There’s often plants or flowers on the table. The classroom is not cluttered on the walls with a lot of pictures of things. It’s usually tastefully done pictures, if they’re hung it all, are hung low enough for the children. It’s definitely designed for the children. There’s low shelves, often made of wood that surround the whole classroom and materials, that’s the usual, the working apparatus in the classroom are on those low shelves so that the children have free access to them. So what you would see in the classroom is children moving about the classroom freely, taking something off a shelf, taking it to a rug. The reason that you see rugs in the classroom is it just sort of defines a space for a child. There’s nothing magical about it, but because there’s usually 24 children or so in a classroom of mixed ages, it just helps define a space.

Mary Ellen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.63">[04:53]</a></u>

So they’ll take the material that they’re going to work onto a rug. They may work alone, they may invite a friend, you may look across the room and see a teacher sitting with five or six children doing a presentation. You probably would see a table with two children or three children sitting at it, having a snack and conversing amongst themselves. It feels very peaceful and when I hear people comment on what they see, when they see a classroom for the first time, they’re struck by the calm, and yet there’s a real energy because the children are working at their own pace. They’re taking things off the shelves as they want to work on them, and so it feels peaceful, yet you can feel the energy and the spirit of the children.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=338.7">[05:38]</a></u>

Wow, that sounds really awesome. Is there a kind of a set structure of the day that they do certain things for certain amounts of time?

Mary Ellen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.64">[05:47]</a></u>

So that’s an interesting question. So what you would often see is upon entry to a classroom, let’s assume that the class goes from nine to 12. That’s a three hour classroom. That’s very popular. You see it all over in many schools as well as full day classrooms, but say it’s a nine to 12. You’ll see the children arrive and there’ll be greeted at the door by the teacher. There’s usually two teachers in a classroom, but they would be greeted probably they would shake hands. They would say hello, just have a few words and the children would go put their things away and they usually would go right to finding something to do. Then after the gathering of the group has occurred, they would bring the children together often for a group setting so that they… It’s sort of what you think about circle time, that more traditional word that you think because community is vital to the whole process in a Montessori classroom, they build a community of children with these two adults in the classroom that’s spend often three years together because a child coming in at three would often stay with those same teachers and as they matriculate, if you will, into an older level. That would be the natural progression, but they often have the same teacher. So you’d see maybe group time, then they would go off again to do some individual work where a teacher may have a presentation for a particular number of children, not necessarily all the same age, but they might, they might be choosing all the three year old and they might be mixing it up because the goal is to work at your own level and so the day then would usually end at noon, usually transition time for young children is done in group setting. So you might have them together again at the end of the day and then the parents would come to pick them up. So there isn’t 20 minutes for math and 10 minutes for language. It very much is a flow.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.65">[07:39]</a></u>

Okay. And are they typically half day programs? Or do they do full day programs as well?

Mary Ellen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=464.11">[07:44]</a></u>

They’re both I think in the current culture where so many of our families are, both parents are working and they really need a full day of the majority of programs you see now definitely are full day.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.85">[07:56]</a></u>

OK. Alright. So let’s talk a bit about certification and accreditation is, it’s not fully clear to me how this works. I think there’s a certification for Montessori teachers, but I guess probably not all teachers are certified and I think there’s an accreditation system for schools, but there are different organizations that do that accreditation. Right? Can you help us make sense of all of that and how parents judge the quality of a school that calls itself Montessori.

Mary Ellen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=500.53">[08:20]</a></u>

Oh, now we have three questions. So yes, there’s many accrediting bodies for schools, the American Montessori Society… And please know that my underpinning is all the AMS, the American Montessori Society because that’s the thing organization to which I’m affiliated primarily so we do accreditations of schools and so we are able to send a team in and look over self studies, review the school and then you often can become an AMS accredited school. The school that was at when I was in northern California also had accreditation through the Western Association of Schools and Colleges are better known as WASC, just like many high schools, colleges, public schools. There’s also the California Association of Independent Schools; that’s another accreditation. The school I was at had all three of those and that’s pretty much that runs the gamut of what you would do. Now if you’re outside of the state, of course there would be other organizations that would accredit.

Mary Ellen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=564.22">[09:24]</a></u>

So that’s the accreditation piece for schools. What you get when you look at an accredited school for the American Montessori Society is, you know, the standard has been met with teacher training that has, that’s checked that box, that’s a done deal. The materials are in the classroom, the school has gone through all of the standards that are set and so that does give parents comfort. Now there’s other things we’ll look at in a minute, but let me address the teacher piece of it. So there’s a credential that is given to teachers when they go through training, but it isn’t as simple as just getting trained to be a Montessori teacher. You get trained at a level. So if it’s an infant-toddler teacher or an early childhood teacher, an elementary teacher all the way through high school. So you have to be in the classroom at the level to which you were accredited where you got your credential.

Mary Ellen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=623.58">[10:23]</a></u>

Teacher training programs are offered either in universities or colleges or sometimes in standalone programs. So both can can happen. The teacher training programs themselves are also accredited. The AMS teacher training programs are accredited through MACT, which is the Montessori Accreditation Council for teacher training, teacher education. So that’s another piece. Now, if I haven’t lost you totally by this time, one of your other questions that was the most insightful of all I think is the one. How do you tell when you’re in a really good school, and I say to parents who sometimes waffle in their confidence in their ability to choose the right school at that moment, they may have Ph.Ds on hanging on the wall, but they sometimes at that point worried that they aren’t going to make the right choice and I think you have to have the confidence that it sort of the gut reaction.

Mary Ellen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=683.55">[11:23]</a></u>

You walk into an environment, you see respectful interactions between teachers and children. You see them paying attention to the children in a way that feels very respectful and of course you do want the school to meet certain standards. You want to see the children engaged in what they’re doing, not staring off into space. Although everybody does deserve the opportunity to stare off into space for a few minutes. We can’t be busy all the time. So that’s sort of I say trust your gut, you know, walk into school and see how it feels to you and then do some of the research. Definitely sit in a classroom. Definitely experience what it’s like to watch the children because it’s different. It’s very free-form. Different than when we were children. I will say me not huge and because there were a much more rigid look to schools where you went in, you didn’t speak to the teacher unless you were spoken to. You often sat in desks that fased one way in a Montessori classroom, the furniture is all over the room. Children are sitting on the floor, they’re sitting on a chair, they’re sitting in a library looking at books quietly and there’s so….there’s all kinds. So that’s, that’s really a little bit of a bird’s eye view at 30,000 feet of accreditation and credentialing and how to trust yourself.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=761.05">[12:41]</a></u>

Great. Thank you for that. So let’s, let’s go into some of the nitty gritty of what really makes Montessori Montessori and I know that one of the first things that I think of when I think of Montessori is the concept of work and the, the idea that there’s a correct way to use materials in it often in a progressive sequence. Can you tell us about that?

Mary Ellen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=780.54">[13:00]</a></u>

Sure. This is one of those very challenging aspects of Montessori because it gets misunderstood a lot.

Mary Ellen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b4pggz91i6yxT5l0BWlxrx9yC4xdGCRJgNeNXQ57AWwT4CqFPyIiM4_1wWnAZvjH6fqogoFnPP272q2XbLo-wP__oa8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=788.93">[13:08]</a></u>

So the, the materials are arranged in a sequence order in the classroom. Now that isn’t obvious to the children, it doesn’t have a number one for the first material you’re supposed to use because there are many areas in the classroom. There’s practical life, there’s sensorial, there’s cultural subjects, there’s math, there’s language, there’s all of those. The materials within those groupings are on the shelves left to right and top to bottom. You probably know because our culture reads left to right and top to bottom. That’s one of the very small indications of the deep thought that was put into this. The children begin to know, oh gosh, I moved through these materials sequentially. Now the reason you move through them sequentially is they build upon one another in terms of challenge. So the first thing, maybe a very simple thing, the next thing on the shelf would take what was on the first piece of material and then build on that to make it more complicated. There’s also something called isolation of difficulty. So children can self correct the materials themselves. They do not need to say to a teacher, did I get this right? Is this okay? They know because everything fit together perfectly....]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/montessori]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1476</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/bda589c1-32bf-4299-9f7d-aad06ff8d970/what-is-montessori.mp3" length="30723118" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>It&apos;s that time of year: daycare and preschool tours start ramping up and parents have to try to figure out which is the right option for their child.  And many parents are overwhelmed by the options.  Montessori?  Waldorf?  Reggio Emilia?  How are they different?  Will my child be messed up if I pick the wrong one?

This episode is the first in a mini-series to help us think through the questions you might have as you explore the options that are available in your community.

Today we’re going to learn about Dr. Maria Montessori’s approach to early childhood education and what it’s like to have a child in a Montessori preschool with Mary Ellen Kordas, the President of the Board of Directors at the American Montessori Society.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>022: How to Talk so Little Kids Will Listen: Author Interview!</title><itunes:title>022: How to Talk so Little Kids Will Listen: Author Interview!</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div></div>
<div>Have you read the now-classic book How to Talk so Kids will Listen and Listen so Kids will Talk?  Ever wished there was a version that would help you with younger children who perhaps aren’t quite ready for a detailed problem-solving session?</div>
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<div>Well now there is!  Adele Faber is a co-author of the original book; Adele’s daughter Joanna and Joanna’s childhood friend <span class="il">Julie</span> <span class="il">King</span> have teamed up to write the new version of <a href="http://amzn.to/2FQSXUZ">How to Talk so LITTLE Kids Will Listen</a>, packed with examples of how real parents have used the information they’ve now been teaching for over 30 years.</div>
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<div>Join me for a chat with <span class="il">Julie</span> <span class="il">King</span> as we work to understand the power of acknowledging children’s feelings and some practical tools to help engage your younger children to cooperate with you.</div>
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<div>Update 5/10/17: An eagle-eyed listener noticed that Julie mentioned her 10-year-old son wanting to sit on the front seat of her car, while the <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/features/passengersafety/">Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that children 12 and under should sit in the back seat</a>.  Julie was recounting an episode that happened long before there were CDC recommendations on where children should sit in the car, so please don’t take this as an ‘OK’ to put your 12-and-under child in the front seat.  Thanks!</div>
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<strong>Reference</strong>

Faber, J. &amp; King, J. (2017). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FQSXUZ">How to talk so little kids will listen</a>. New York: Scribner.  (Affiliate link)

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.51">[00:21]</a></u>

Welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I’d like to welcome my guest today, Julie King, who is one half of the writing duo behind the new book, How to Talk so Little Kids Will Listen, and if that title sounds familiar, it’s because it’s part of what seems to have become a family of books around the classic How to Talk so Kids Will Listen and Listen so Kids will Talk by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish. Julie has been educating and supporting parents and professionals since 1995 and in addition to her work with individual parents and couples, she also leads How to Talk workshops and gives parent education presentations to schools, nonprofits, and parent groups. Julie received her AB from Princeton University and a JD from Yale Law School. She lives in the San Francisco Bay area and is the mother of three. Welcome Julie.

Julie:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=73.72">[01:13]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=74.26">[01:14]</a></u>

It actually does feel a little odd to welcome you when we’re in your own home. Julie was kind enough to invite me to her home today to have this conversation. So thanks so much for taking the time.

Julie: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.68">[01:23]</a></u>

Oh my pleasure.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.86">[01:24]</a></u>

So I wonder if you can tell me a little bit about the genesis of this book because it kind of runs in the family a bit, right?

Julie: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.49">[01:30]</a></u>

Okay. So to tell you the whole story, I have to go back in time to when I was six months old.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.59">[01:37]</a></u>

This is going to be a long story!

Julie: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.79">[01:38]</a></u>

I’m not going to go through all the details, I promise, but when my parents moved into the house that they still live in when I was born, right before I was born and my mother didn’t know very many people in the neighborhood. I was six months old. She was looking out the kitchen window and she saw another mom with two little kids the same age as me and my brother and she invited that woman in. That was Adele favor and the two of them became very good friends. Joanna. Joanna was the baby and her brother Carl was the older boy and she and I went to nursery school together. Adele took these, what they call Child Guidance Workshops with Haim Ginott and used to call my mother daily and discuss what she was learning and they would talk about what they were going to try on Joanna and her older brother and her younger brother and me and my older brother and younger sister.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.7">[02:27]</a></u>

So you were a Guinea pig for the original book?

Julie:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.04">[02:30]</a></u>

That’s right. I was a Guinea pig. Um, so she and I became very good friends. We went to school from nursery school all the way through high school together. And um, I was aware that her mother was writing these books as a teenager. I remember going to her house and seeing her mother and Elaime Mazlish writing on yellow legal pads on the kitchen table by hand, and in the eighties when the one of the books came out or was coming out. I got to copy edit the book and I think I found a coma out of place and I felt very proud of my contribution, but I never actually expected to be doing anything with the work until I had my own child and he was in preschool at the San Francisco JCC and they were looking for a more than one time event for parents. They used to bring people in to speak, but they wanted to do something that would be ongoing and I at the time was studying group facilitation and group development and of course I knew this material very well, having grown up with it. So I volunteered to lead a group which was originally scheduled as an eight week group and halfway through everybody said, well, we need another eight weeks to really learn this. At which point I panicked because I wasn’t quite sure what I would do. Well we turned it into an ongoing support group and that first group met for four and a half years. The other people heard about it and asked me to bring the workshop to private groups into nonprofits and that’s how I got into leading the groups originally and my friend Joanna, who is still a good friend of mine who still lives in New York, and I moved out to California…This will happen in New York originally. She started leading workshops in New York, so we would talk to each other about what we were doing and what we were discovering and quite a few years ago when I was still mostly working with parents of preschool-aged kids. People said to me, we love this book, but we need more examples, and so I said, I know what to do. I called Adele and I said, I have your next book for you. She’s written one for teens and she’s written ones for kids at school. I said, now you have to write one for little kids, and she said, more or less. I quote, Julie, I’m too tired. You have to write it. So I called Joanna and I said, Joanna, we have to write this book. So we’ve been collecting material for many years and working very hard for the past two years to really polish it up and create this book.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=289.34">[04:49]</a></u>

Yeah. Awesome. I did a little comparison between the new book, which as we’re recording has not been released yet, but once, once you hear this interview, you will be able to get the book on Amazon and other bookstores. So I have an advanced copy and I did a little comparison between that and the classic How to Talk so Kids Will Listen and it seemed to me as though the overall concepts are quite similar. The certainly a big focus on handling emotions and engaging cooperation and praise. There’s a little less than the new book on encouraging autonomy, which surprised me a little bit, and you have a spanking new chapter on working with differently wired kids, which we’re going to talk more about in a little bit. I’m guessing that a fair number of my listeners have already read or maybe even own the original book. And maybe that was, you know, they bought it for their first child and maybe they have a toddler in tow now. And I’m wondering if you can help us understand what they would get out of this book that they wouldn’t necessarily get...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div></div>
<div>Have you read the now-classic book How to Talk so Kids will Listen and Listen so Kids will Talk?  Ever wished there was a version that would help you with younger children who perhaps aren’t quite ready for a detailed problem-solving session?</div>
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<div>Well now there is!  Adele Faber is a co-author of the original book; Adele’s daughter Joanna and Joanna’s childhood friend <span class="il">Julie</span> <span class="il">King</span> have teamed up to write the new version of <a href="http://amzn.to/2FQSXUZ">How to Talk so LITTLE Kids Will Listen</a>, packed with examples of how real parents have used the information they’ve now been teaching for over 30 years.</div>
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<div>Join me for a chat with <span class="il">Julie</span> <span class="il">King</span> as we work to understand the power of acknowledging children’s feelings and some practical tools to help engage your younger children to cooperate with you.</div>
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<div>Update 5/10/17: An eagle-eyed listener noticed that Julie mentioned her 10-year-old son wanting to sit on the front seat of her car, while the <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/features/passengersafety/">Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that children 12 and under should sit in the back seat</a>.  Julie was recounting an episode that happened long before there were CDC recommendations on where children should sit in the car, so please don’t take this as an ‘OK’ to put your 12-and-under child in the front seat.  Thanks!</div>
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<strong>Reference</strong>

Faber, J. &amp; King, J. (2017). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FQSXUZ">How to talk so little kids will listen</a>. New York: Scribner.  (Affiliate link)

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.51">[00:21]</a></u>

Welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. I’d like to welcome my guest today, Julie King, who is one half of the writing duo behind the new book, How to Talk so Little Kids Will Listen, and if that title sounds familiar, it’s because it’s part of what seems to have become a family of books around the classic How to Talk so Kids Will Listen and Listen so Kids will Talk by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish. Julie has been educating and supporting parents and professionals since 1995 and in addition to her work with individual parents and couples, she also leads How to Talk workshops and gives parent education presentations to schools, nonprofits, and parent groups. Julie received her AB from Princeton University and a JD from Yale Law School. She lives in the San Francisco Bay area and is the mother of three. Welcome Julie.

Julie:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=73.72">[01:13]</a></u>

Thank you.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=74.26">[01:14]</a></u>

It actually does feel a little odd to welcome you when we’re in your own home. Julie was kind enough to invite me to her home today to have this conversation. So thanks so much for taking the time.

Julie: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.68">[01:23]</a></u>

Oh my pleasure.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.86">[01:24]</a></u>

So I wonder if you can tell me a little bit about the genesis of this book because it kind of runs in the family a bit, right?

Julie: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.49">[01:30]</a></u>

Okay. So to tell you the whole story, I have to go back in time to when I was six months old.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.59">[01:37]</a></u>

This is going to be a long story!

Julie: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.79">[01:38]</a></u>

I’m not going to go through all the details, I promise, but when my parents moved into the house that they still live in when I was born, right before I was born and my mother didn’t know very many people in the neighborhood. I was six months old. She was looking out the kitchen window and she saw another mom with two little kids the same age as me and my brother and she invited that woman in. That was Adele favor and the two of them became very good friends. Joanna. Joanna was the baby and her brother Carl was the older boy and she and I went to nursery school together. Adele took these, what they call Child Guidance Workshops with Haim Ginott and used to call my mother daily and discuss what she was learning and they would talk about what they were going to try on Joanna and her older brother and her younger brother and me and my older brother and younger sister.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.7">[02:27]</a></u>

So you were a Guinea pig for the original book?

Julie:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.04">[02:30]</a></u>

That’s right. I was a Guinea pig. Um, so she and I became very good friends. We went to school from nursery school all the way through high school together. And um, I was aware that her mother was writing these books as a teenager. I remember going to her house and seeing her mother and Elaime Mazlish writing on yellow legal pads on the kitchen table by hand, and in the eighties when the one of the books came out or was coming out. I got to copy edit the book and I think I found a coma out of place and I felt very proud of my contribution, but I never actually expected to be doing anything with the work until I had my own child and he was in preschool at the San Francisco JCC and they were looking for a more than one time event for parents. They used to bring people in to speak, but they wanted to do something that would be ongoing and I at the time was studying group facilitation and group development and of course I knew this material very well, having grown up with it. So I volunteered to lead a group which was originally scheduled as an eight week group and halfway through everybody said, well, we need another eight weeks to really learn this. At which point I panicked because I wasn’t quite sure what I would do. Well we turned it into an ongoing support group and that first group met for four and a half years. The other people heard about it and asked me to bring the workshop to private groups into nonprofits and that’s how I got into leading the groups originally and my friend Joanna, who is still a good friend of mine who still lives in New York, and I moved out to California…This will happen in New York originally. She started leading workshops in New York, so we would talk to each other about what we were doing and what we were discovering and quite a few years ago when I was still mostly working with parents of preschool-aged kids. People said to me, we love this book, but we need more examples, and so I said, I know what to do. I called Adele and I said, I have your next book for you. She’s written one for teens and she’s written ones for kids at school. I said, now you have to write one for little kids, and she said, more or less. I quote, Julie, I’m too tired. You have to write it. So I called Joanna and I said, Joanna, we have to write this book. So we’ve been collecting material for many years and working very hard for the past two years to really polish it up and create this book.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=289.34">[04:49]</a></u>

Yeah. Awesome. I did a little comparison between the new book, which as we’re recording has not been released yet, but once, once you hear this interview, you will be able to get the book on Amazon and other bookstores. So I have an advanced copy and I did a little comparison between that and the classic How to Talk so Kids Will Listen and it seemed to me as though the overall concepts are quite similar. The certainly a big focus on handling emotions and engaging cooperation and praise. There’s a little less than the new book on encouraging autonomy, which surprised me a little bit, and you have a spanking new chapter on working with differently wired kids, which we’re going to talk more about in a little bit. I’m guessing that a fair number of my listeners have already read or maybe even own the original book. And maybe that was, you know, they bought it for their first child and maybe they have a toddler in tow now. And I’m wondering if you can help us understand what they would get out of this book that they wouldn’t necessarily get if they have already bought or read the original.

Julie:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.67">[05:48]</a></u>

Well, let me, let me address that autonomy question. And then the second question as well. Joanna and I talked quite a lot about whether to include a separate chapter on autonomy and we ultimately decided not to in part because we feel like every chapter is about how to encourage autonomy. You know, when we, when we respect a kid’s feelings, when we offer them choices, when we give them information and they get to decide what to do with that information, all of those give the child an opportunity to say to himself or herself, well, I’m going to put the toys away or I’m going to turn off the bathroom light. And we also see that kids have a natural drive to be autonomous and independent. And so a lot of the tools that we’re offering in our book are a way for parents to sort of use that natural drive. So that’s why we didn’t include a separate chapter also because our editor said it had to be under 400 pages and we just had to stop because I think we really could have included another chapter and maybe someday we will, but…

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=408.261">[06:48]</a></u>

Or another book!

Julie:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.731">[06:49]</a></u>

Another book, right – no, not another chapter for this book; this book is done. So that’s the answer to the autonomy question. And your other question was, what’s different about this book?

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=420.7">[07:00]</a></u>

Yeah, yeah.

Julie:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.83">[07:01]</a></u>

There are a number of differences. I think the biggest reason for people to get this book is because every example is about little kids. If you get the original book, there are little kid examples are 10 examples. We, we just are offering you lots and lots of ways to use these tools from stories that were given to us by actual real life people, parents and teachers. And in my experience, the tools make sense to people. But when you’re in the heat of the moment, it’s hard to think of what to do. Yeah. And if you have somebody else’s example and when you have, when you can picture it in your mind, when you can sort of rehearse it a little bit ahead of time, that’s when you can pull up the tool more easily and use it in the moment. So I think that’s the biggest advantage of, of. I mean, I, I love the original book, obviously… People should read both probably, but if you have little kids that make sense to read a book, just about little kids.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.99">[07:56]</a></u>

Yeah, that makes sense to me. I often find when I read books that the principles are aligned with what I’m thinking, but you know, the, the examples and the language they talk through, I’m thinking what would really happen if I said that to my two and a half year old when she really get that? Would you understand it? And so what you’re saying is that because the examples in your book are geared towards younger children, they’re more easy for parents to apply, is that right?

Julie:      <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.81">[08:21]</a></u>

Yeah.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.81">[08:21]</a></u>

Okay.

Julie:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=502.52">[08:22]</a></u>

And then there’s are several other differences. One of the, the differences that I think will be very helpful to parents is around the idea of taking action. So in the original book there’s a, there’s a skill called take action without insult and doing the workshops. What I found is a lot of parents get confused. Well, what actions should I take? How do I know what to do? I mean, I’ve tried acknowledging his feelings. You know, you’re in the mood to draw. I’ve given them information. Walls aren’t for drawing on; I’ve given him choices. You can, you can draw on this box, you can draw on this paper. But he still took the, took the Sharpies. One of my parents groups, you know, I don’t know why…and started drawing on the walls so, you know, so I felt like I had to say, no, I’ve told you, I’ve told you you can’t do that, you bad boy. I’m taking this away from you. You may not. Now you’re not going to get a chance to see. I’ve already told you that sort of language. And they’re like, well that’s taking action. Isn’t it? Well, the, and you’re nodding your head. Yes it is, and it’s, it’s also we want to offer an alternative, um, in which we protect ourselves or we protect property without attacking the child. So the action is going to look the same. I’m still going to take those Sharpies away, but, but what I’m going to say is I don’t like my walls drawn on. For now, the sharpies are going away and the child knows that I was drawing on the wall. Now I can’t, but you’re not doing it to me, the child. You’re not doing this to make me suffer. You’re doing to protect yourself and protect the walls. Right. So I think that’s, that’s. I think we explain that in the book in a way that’s a little easier for parents to figure out, okay, what do I do in this next situation?

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=604.3">[10:04]</a></u>

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I’m wondering if I can selfishly talk a little bit about situation that I’m having around acknowledging feelings. Yes, because I think that that’s, it’s a really central theme in the book and Joanna actually wrote that chapter and she described a scenario where she videotaped to show for a five year old and a three year old wants to know why she didn’t a tape a show for him when he had asked her to tape it and she says to her, a missed TV show doesn’t really seem as though it’s qualifies as being worthy of a meltdown. But to her son it really was because it was important to him, or, it had become important to you and so it seems as though the best way to help him get over it was to help him get through it is the advice that’s given in the book.

Julie:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=647.05">[10:47]</a></u>

And so, you know, when my daughter’s having that kind of meltdown, let’s just clarify, to get, to help him means to say, Oh, you LOVE that show! You would have liked me to tape that one for you too.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=657.93">[10:57]</a></u>

Yeah, yeah.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=658.53">[10:58]</a></u>

Or a different show that wasn’t taped.

Julie:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=660.59">[11:00]</a></u>

Yeah. Yeah.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=661.5">[11:01]</a></u>

Um, and so, you know, if, if my daughter is asking for ice cream at bedtime and I say you really, really want ice cream, she seems as though she gets kind of hopeful and it feels to me as though I’m sort of getting your hopes up and then, you know, sorry, you still can’t have ice cream and I’m, I doing something wrong when I’m doing that or…?

Julie:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=678.641">[11:18]</a></u>

No…

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=678.641">[11:18]</a></u>

Or partly no.

Julie: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/P74sAOkk8IMHGB3zkWWtK3r7ZBS1lVcqlrebyqMP2e51q2Cz69quzYc_-0r0j9IzqEajIeww1_w7Vl6JXKkObhjxs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=684.06">[11:24]</a></u>

I think the point is what you do after that? So when you, when you acknowledge the feelings that that child has for something that you can’t grant, like I can’t make that TV show rebroadcast. Right? So that’s in a way easier.

Jen:   <u><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/how-to-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1455</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:59:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7277a04b-9226-4c69-bdcd-73343771efe9/how-to-talk-so-little-kids-will-listen-julie-king.mp3" length="30045351" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Have you read the now-classic book How to Talk so Kids will Listen and Listen so Kids will Talk?  Ever wished there was a version that would help you with younger children who perhaps aren’t quite ready for a detailed problem-solving session?

Well now there is!  Adele Faber is a co-author of the original book; Adele’s daughter Joanna and Joanna’s childhood friend Julie King have teamed up to write the new version of http://amzn.to/2FQSXUZ (How to Talk so LITTLE Kids Will Listen), packed with examples of how real parents have used the information they’ve now been teaching for over 30 years.

Join me for a chat with Julie King as we work to understand the power of acknowledging children’s feelings and some practical tools to help engage your younger children to cooperate with you.

Update 5/10/17: An eagle-eyed listener noticed that Julie mentioned her 10-year-old son wanting to sit on the front seat of her car, while the https://www.cdc.gov/features/passengersafety/ (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that children 12 and under should sit in the back seat).  Julie was recounting an episode that happened long before there were CDC recommendations on where children should sit in the car, so please don’t take this as an ‘OK’ to put your 12-and-under child in the front seat.  Thanks!

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Faber, J. and King, J. (2017). http://amzn.to/2FQSXUZ (How to talk so little kids will listen). New York: Scribner.  (Affiliate link)
 
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There are lots of resources available on <a href="http://www.saleemanoon.com/sexual-health-links/helpful-handouts/">Saleema’s website</a> to help with these kinds of conversations, including a ‘what kids need to know and when’ list, a selection of books (for you and for your child), and other helpful tips and links.

&nbsp;

<strong>Additional Recommended Resource:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.outspokeneducation.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.outspokeneducation.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1631503750865000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGey7lLi27drHaNOs9u0m1N_7ZtuA">Outspoken Sex Ed</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>References
</strong>

Note: Books that Saleema recommends during the podcast are linked directly to Amazon via affiliate links.

<hr />

Albert, B (2004). With one voice 2004: America’s adults and teens sound off about teen pregnancy. The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. Retrieved from: https://thenationalcampaign.org/sites/default/files/resource-primary-download/wov_2004.pdf

<hr />

Brown, L.K., &amp; Brown, M. (2000). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FbhanI">What’s the big secret? Talking about sex with girls and boys.</a> New York: Little, Brown.

<hr />

CBS Miami (2014, May 6). Broward school board approves sex ed overhaul. Retrieved from: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/06/broward-school-board-to-vote-on-new-sex-ed-policy/

<hr />

Chicago Department of Public Health (2013, June). Sexual education policy in Illinois and Chicago. Retrieved from: https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/cdph/CDPH/HCPolicyBriefJune2013.pdf

<hr />

Guttmacher Institute (2016, November 1). Sex and HIV Education: State laws and policies. Retrieved from: https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/sex-and-hiv-education

<hr />

Mayle, P. &amp; Robins, A. (2000). Where did I come from? New York, NY: Lyle Stuart.

<hr />

Noon, S. &amp; Hickling, M. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2oH8EXk">Talk Sex Today: What kids need to know and how adults can teach them.</a> Kelowna, BC: Wood Lake Publishing

<hr />

Scarry, R. (2008). This is me. New York, NY: Sterling.

<hr />

Schalet, A.T. (2011). Beyond abstinence and risk: A new paradigm for adolescent sexual health. Women’s Health Issues 21(3), S5-S7. Full article available at: http://www.whijournal.com/article/S1049-3867%2811%2900008-9/fulltext

<hr />

Silverberg, C, &amp; Smyth, F. (2013). <a href="http://amzn.to/2H1mURu">What makes a baby. </a>New York, NY: Triangle Square.

<hr />

UNESCO 2009: International technical guidance on sexuality Education: An evidence-informed approach for schools, teachers, and health educators. Retrieved from: http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0018/001832/183281e.pdf

<hr />

Utah Administrative Code (2016, November 1). Rule R277-474. School instruction and human sexuality. Retrieved from: http://www.rules.utah.gov/publicat/code/r277/r277-474.htm#T3

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Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.12">[00:30]</a></u>

Hello and welcome to Your Parenting Mojo. We have a fabulous guest lined up today and we’re going to talk about sex. No, not sex for you. I assume you probably figured that part out already by now, especially since you’re listening to a podcast for parents, but about your children and sex. So I was scrolling down my Facebook feed recently when I saw a post in a parenting group saying my two year old daughter seems to have a “special relationship,”with her rocking horse is she masturbating? And I thought to myself, Whoa, two year olds masturbate. I got to do an episode on this. So I looked around to see who’s writing about this and I found Saleema Noon, who has a master’s degree in Sexual Health Education and has been teaching the fields of sexual health, assertiveness, internet safety, healthy relationships and body image for a decade now. She co-wrote the recent books talk sex today, what kids need to know and how adults can teach them, which is absolutely chock full of information on how to talk with children of all ages about sex. And the book is so awesome that I knew I had to invite her on the show to help us understand what we should consider discussing with our toddlers and preschoolers about sex and sexuality and why we should do this as well. Welcome Saleema.

Saleema:       <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.73">[01:36]</a></u>

Hi. Thanks for having me.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.26">[01:38]</a></u>

So can you tell us a bit about why you think we should start talking even with really young children about sexuality? What’s our overall goal here? Why are we doing this?

Saleema:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.55">[01:46]</a></u>

Well, the goal is to keep our kids educated and therefore protected and safe. I tell parents that there are three main reasons why we need start talking to our children early about sexual health and they all have to do with protection and prevention. The first one is that young children are easiest to teach because they haven’t learned yet that sexual health is still a taboo subject in our society. So for example, when we explained to even young children how babies are made or what their body parts are called using scientific language, they’re excited to learn about that stuff. They don’t have any emotional baggage around the topic, just like, older children and teenagers and even some adults have. So they’re really curious. Body scientists, we call them and they’re excited to learn everything they can about the topic. By the time they get to grade four or five, however we call these people that gross-me-out-ers because now they’ve learned they should be totally disgusted by anything to do with sex or sexual health or bodies.

Saleema:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.92">[02:48]</a></u>

You know. So the whole idea is for parents to teach their kids early, even before questions start coming up to capitalize on their natural curiosity and matter of fact nature in learning the information. The second reason why we as parents need to start talking about sexual health with our young children as early as possible is that our kids are exposed to so much to do with sexuality at younger and younger ages, even as toddlersi believe it or not. And so we always need to stay one step ahead of the game with accurate information so that our kids know how to interpret what they hear. They can think critically about it and if they hear something that doesn’t make sense to them or as upsetting or disturbing to them even they can come and ask us about it. We as parents want to be our kids’ number one source of sexual health information.

Saleema:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.87">[03:40]</a></u>

And the third reason why we need to start talking from an early age, I think is most important, and that is that studies from all over the world consistently show us that children who are educated about healthy bodies and healthy sexuality are protected from child sexual abuse. Children need information to keep themselves out of exploitative situations. And so when parents ask me, you know, when do I start teaching? Well, I have jokingly tell them the day your child is born by using technical terminology, you know, um, they can learn words like vagina and vulva just as easily as they learn any other word, you know, they’re like little sponges. And we have to be accurate too. For example, when a young child is in the bath, we’re not washing the vagina, the vagina does not need to be washed. It’s an opening. But what needs to be washed is the vulva.

Saleema:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=271.75">[04:31]</a></u>

And even seemingly small distinctions like this are important because if a child is abused and needs to report to a parent or in a court setting, God forbid, they need to have appropriate vocabulary so they can be very clear in exactly what they’re trying to express. Lots of research has been done talking to child predators and what they tell us is that they spend...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I was scrolling down my Facebook feed recently when I saw a post in a parenting group saying “My two year-old daughter seems to have a “special relationship” with her rocking horse.  Is she masturbating?”  And I thought to myself “Whoa, two year-olds masturbate?  I gotta do an episode on this!”  So I looked around to see who is writing about this and I found Saleema Noon, who has a Master degree in sexual health education, and who co-wrote the recent book <a href="http://amzn.to/2CXCoDu">Talk Sex Today</a> (Affiliate link), which is chock-full of information on how to talk with children of all ages about sex.

There are lots of resources available on <a href="http://www.saleemanoon.com/sexual-health-links/helpful-handouts/">Saleema’s website</a> to help with these kinds of conversations, including a ‘what kids need to know and when’ list, a selection of books (for you and for your child), and other helpful tips and links.

&nbsp;

<strong>Additional Recommended Resource:</strong>
<ul>
 	<li><a href="https://www.outspokeneducation.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.outspokeneducation.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1631503750865000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGey7lLi27drHaNOs9u0m1N_7ZtuA">Outspoken Sex Ed</a></li>
</ul><br/>
&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>References
</strong>

Note: Books that Saleema recommends during the podcast are linked directly to Amazon via affiliate links.

<hr />

Albert, B (2004). With one voice 2004: America’s adults and teens sound off about teen pregnancy. The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. Retrieved from: https://thenationalcampaign.org/sites/default/files/resource-primary-download/wov_2004.pdf

<hr />

Brown, L.K., &amp; Brown, M. (2000). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FbhanI">What’s the big secret? Talking about sex with girls and boys.</a> New York: Little, Brown.

<hr />

CBS Miami (2014, May 6). Broward school board approves sex ed overhaul. Retrieved from: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/06/broward-school-board-to-vote-on-new-sex-ed-policy/

<hr />

Chicago Department of Public Health (2013, June). Sexual education policy in Illinois and Chicago. Retrieved from: https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/cdph/CDPH/HCPolicyBriefJune2013.pdf

<hr />

Guttmacher Institute (2016, November 1). Sex and HIV Education: State laws and policies. Retrieved from: https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/sex-and-hiv-education

<hr />

Mayle, P. &amp; Robins, A. (2000). Where did I come from? New York, NY: Lyle Stuart.

<hr />

Noon, S. &amp; Hickling, M. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2oH8EXk">Talk Sex Today: What kids need to know and how adults can teach them.</a> Kelowna, BC: Wood Lake Publishing

<hr />

Scarry, R. (2008). This is me. New York, NY: Sterling.

<hr />

Schalet, A.T. (2011). Beyond abstinence and risk: A new paradigm for adolescent sexual health. Women’s Health Issues 21(3), S5-S7. Full article available at: http://www.whijournal.com/article/S1049-3867%2811%2900008-9/fulltext

<hr />

Silverberg, C, &amp; Smyth, F. (2013). <a href="http://amzn.to/2H1mURu">What makes a baby. </a>New York, NY: Triangle Square.

<hr />

UNESCO 2009: International technical guidance on sexuality Education: An evidence-informed approach for schools, teachers, and health educators. Retrieved from: http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0018/001832/183281e.pdf

<hr />

Utah Administrative Code (2016, November 1). Rule R277-474. School instruction and human sexuality. Retrieved from: http://www.rules.utah.gov/publicat/code/r277/r277-474.htm#T3

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Hello and welcome to Your Parenting Mojo. We have a fabulous guest lined up today and we’re going to talk about sex. No, not sex for you. I assume you probably figured that part out already by now, especially since you’re listening to a podcast for parents, but about your children and sex. So I was scrolling down my Facebook feed recently when I saw a post in a parenting group saying my two year old daughter seems to have a “special relationship,”with her rocking horse is she masturbating? And I thought to myself, Whoa, two year olds masturbate. I got to do an episode on this. So I looked around to see who’s writing about this and I found Saleema Noon, who has a master’s degree in Sexual Health Education and has been teaching the fields of sexual health, assertiveness, internet safety, healthy relationships and body image for a decade now. She co-wrote the recent books talk sex today, what kids need to know and how adults can teach them, which is absolutely chock full of information on how to talk with children of all ages about sex. And the book is so awesome that I knew I had to invite her on the show to help us understand what we should consider discussing with our toddlers and preschoolers about sex and sexuality and why we should do this as well. Welcome Saleema.

Saleema:       <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.73">[01:36]</a></u>

Hi. Thanks for having me.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.26">[01:38]</a></u>

So can you tell us a bit about why you think we should start talking even with really young children about sexuality? What’s our overall goal here? Why are we doing this?

Saleema:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.55">[01:46]</a></u>

Well, the goal is to keep our kids educated and therefore protected and safe. I tell parents that there are three main reasons why we need start talking to our children early about sexual health and they all have to do with protection and prevention. The first one is that young children are easiest to teach because they haven’t learned yet that sexual health is still a taboo subject in our society. So for example, when we explained to even young children how babies are made or what their body parts are called using scientific language, they’re excited to learn about that stuff. They don’t have any emotional baggage around the topic, just like, older children and teenagers and even some adults have. So they’re really curious. Body scientists, we call them and they’re excited to learn everything they can about the topic. By the time they get to grade four or five, however we call these people that gross-me-out-ers because now they’ve learned they should be totally disgusted by anything to do with sex or sexual health or bodies.

Saleema:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.92">[02:48]</a></u>

You know. So the whole idea is for parents to teach their kids early, even before questions start coming up to capitalize on their natural curiosity and matter of fact nature in learning the information. The second reason why we as parents need to start talking about sexual health with our young children as early as possible is that our kids are exposed to so much to do with sexuality at younger and younger ages, even as toddlersi believe it or not. And so we always need to stay one step ahead of the game with accurate information so that our kids know how to interpret what they hear. They can think critically about it and if they hear something that doesn’t make sense to them or as upsetting or disturbing to them even they can come and ask us about it. We as parents want to be our kids’ number one source of sexual health information.

Saleema:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.87">[03:40]</a></u>

And the third reason why we need to start talking from an early age, I think is most important, and that is that studies from all over the world consistently show us that children who are educated about healthy bodies and healthy sexuality are protected from child sexual abuse. Children need information to keep themselves out of exploitative situations. And so when parents ask me, you know, when do I start teaching? Well, I have jokingly tell them the day your child is born by using technical terminology, you know, um, they can learn words like vagina and vulva just as easily as they learn any other word, you know, they’re like little sponges. And we have to be accurate too. For example, when a young child is in the bath, we’re not washing the vagina, the vagina does not need to be washed. It’s an opening. But what needs to be washed is the vulva.

Saleema:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=271.75">[04:31]</a></u>

And even seemingly small distinctions like this are important because if a child is abused and needs to report to a parent or in a court setting, God forbid, they need to have appropriate vocabulary so they can be very clear in exactly what they’re trying to express. Lots of research has been done talking to child predators and what they tell us is that they spend a lot of time grooming their victims, most have been abused themselves so they know exactly what to look for and what they say time and time again is that a child who is educated and knowledgeable and aware about sexual health at any age has probably been taught by a parent or another reliable adult and has also been taught to report should something exploitative happen. On the other hand, a child who doesn’t know anything, doesn’t have the vocabulary, doesn’t have that awareness, probably hasn’t been taught either and won’t report or at least will be less likely to report and therefore is an easier target. So teaching our kids even as toddlers using technical terminology and as they reach the preschool years, answering questions as they come up is really key from a safety perspective.

Jen:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.781">[05:46]</a></u>

Yeah. Yeah. We’re not going to dig too deep in the safety perspective. But before we move on, I just wanted to mention something, I can’t remember if I heard this in your book or read it somewhere else. I remember reading about a toddler who had been taught to call their genital genitalia a cookie jar and that they had been abused and had been trying to tell the teacher at school, you know, somebody’s touching my cookie jar and the teachers had no idea what was going on. And then the kid kept talking about it and talking about it finally called the parent and then figured out what was going on and this poor child had been trying to communicate this for weeks and couldn’t do it because they didn’t have the language to tell.

Saleema:    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=383.54">[06:23]</a></u>

And that is a true story that a parent told me years ago. It just highlights the importance of being clear with our kids and teaching technical terminology from day one.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=392.71">[06:32]</a></u>

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so we’ll sort of keep that in our minds is an important reason why we should do this, but we’re going to dig more into what children learn about sex and sexuality and how we can talk to them about it more in this show. So let’s jump ahead a little bit to school age. What do children learn about sex in school? Because it seems to me as though we’ve sort of reduced this huge, amazing topic of sex and sexuality to: Thou shalt not have sex before marriage because it’s wrong. And if thou does thou had better not get pregnant or get an STI. How does that happen?

Saleema: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.04">[07:08]</a></u>

You know, much of what kids learn in school based sexual health education is fear-based and problem-focused, especially in the United States, I have to say. We here in Canada or are a lot more progressive and a lot more positive in how we address it. However, we still have a long way to go. I can’t speak to what the curriculum is in each area of California, for example, because it really does. I’m guessing it’s much like here in Canada where what our kids learn, even in elementary school about sexual health varies from school to school and even class to class, depending on who the teacher is. What I can tell you is that here in Canada, we do have a mandated curriculum for kids kindergarten to grade 10 in all schools, but what actually happens in the classroom is hit and miss because our teachers are not given adequate support.

Saleema:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=482.25">[08:02]</a></u>

They’re not given good resources. They may not have time and they may simply not feel comfortable teaching it and there’s no monitoring of it, and so it really is it we can’t be sure of what our kids are learning. Here in Canada, the bulk of the curriculum and the primary years, so kindergarten to grade three centers around abuse prevention, private parts on the body, really teaching consent. The idea that all kids are the boss of their bodies. They say who goes on them and who does not. And of course this is an important message of course when it comes to safety, but what our curriculum does not cover and what needs to be covered is basic reproduction and anatomy information. I can’t tell you how many times when I’m teaching grade one for example. So these are six year olds. How many times kids ask me what the word “sexy” means because they hear about it on commercials, they hear about it in music, they see it on…right now we have a bus ad campaign for extra gum and it says bad breath isn’t sexy. So I’ve got kids every week asking me about that and what it means.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.371">[09:12]</a></u>

And what do you tell them?

Saleema:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=553.571">[09:13]</a></u>

Well, it really depends on the context in which they’re asking me. So I’m, a lot of kids are seeing, hey, sexy lady and songs for example, and they really have no idea what the word means. Just last week, a grade one girl came up to me and said, hey, I know what the word sexy means. And I said, Oh yeah, what does it mean? She said, it means cool. And then another girl interrupted and she said, no, it doesn’t mean cool. It means that you’re healthy and you make good choices about what you put in your body. So between what parents are telling them and what they’re interpreting for themselves, uh, there’s all kinds of miscommunication and confusion.

Saleema: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=591.16">[09:51]</a></u>

What we want kids to know, for example, about the word sexy, is that because sex is only for grownups, it wouldn’t be appropriate for kids to use this word or even to sing it in a song. So when it comes up and your favorite song, maybe instead of seeing, hey, sexy lady, you could sing, hey, funny lady or hey, happy lady or you know, hey independent lady… I usually lose them when I, when I suggest that. But you know, the idea is just to sub out the word. And so they can still enjoy and sing their songs. But because sex is for grownups only, it wouldn’t be appropriate. In a literal sense, I explained to kids that to say that someone is sexy means that you want to have sex with them. And again, because sex is only for grownups, not appropriate. It’s not a bad word, it’s just not a word that kids should use.

Saleema:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.63">[10:35]</a></u>

The word sexy is one example of how much our kids are exposed to mostly through media at an early age. I’m also reminded of a time recently where I was in a kindergarten class and as we’re talking about the baby growing inside of the uterus, one of the girls blurts out, Oh yeah. And you know what else, Saleema? Sometimes grownups have sex when they’re drunk. So who knows where she got that from. My guess is that she overheard some adults talking or maybe she saw something on a movie, who knows, right? But this is proof that our kids are exposed to so much more than we think at such younger ages than we think. And so we have to be willing as parents to have those open conversations with them and help them make sense of what’s around them.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=681.49">[11:21]</a></u>

Yeah. Because especially in the U.S., they’re not getting that in school. Knowing that you’re Canadian. I did a bit of background research on what is the state of sex education in the U.S. And I’m English and so it didn’t have any sex education here. And I found that 37 US states require that information on abstinence be provided at 26 percent, sorry, 26 states require that abstinence be stressed and in Utah absence has to be the dominant message given to students, educators and Utah aren’t even allowed to discuss, and I’m going to quote this, “the intricacies of intercourse, sexual stimulation or erotic behavior, the advocacy of homosexuality, the advocacy or encouragement of the use of contraceptive methods or devices or the advocacy of sexual activity outside marriage.” So that’s sort of the worst of that.

Saleema:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=728.3">[12:08]</a></u>

I hear that Jen, and I want to cry.

Jen:     <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Iogwk8n_u6h8cBgHkOPMxUmX9HWcURTXv1sJhHGHGlXlN8vd5IqY2yJHqly7otl6F4Crx69nFoKWaxQhP0gjrPNN0bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=730.12">[12:10]</a></u>

Yeah. Yeah. But there are places that are getting better. You know, Chicago and Broward County have now some form of sex education in all grades starting in kindergarten. But yeah, that’s, that’s not the norm by any...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/talk-sex-today]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1465</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2017 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fae5608c-68b7-40a8-a7b8-2fa530073745/saleema-noon-talk-sex-today.mp3" length="31486467" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>I was scrolling down my Facebook feed recently when I saw a post in a parenting group saying “My two year-old daughter seems to have a “special relationship” with her rocking horse.  Is she masturbating?”  And I thought to myself “Whoa, two year-olds masturbate?  I gotta do an episode on this!”  So I looked around to see who is writing about this and I found Saleema Noon, who has a Master degree in sexual health education, and who co-wrote the recent book Talk Sex Today, which is chock-full of information on how to talk with children of all ages about sex.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</title><itunes:title>020: How do I get my child to do what I want them to do?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Parenting is tough, huh? Sometimes it feels like we spend a lot of our time asking our daughter to do things…and asking again…and finding a more creative way to ask. We’re going to get some great advice on this next week from Julie King, co-author of the new book How to Talk so Little Kids will Listen – but for this week I want to set the stage and think about why we should bother with all of this. Why not just force our kids to do what we want them to do? And, is it possible to raise obedient kids who can also think for themselves?

<strong>Reference</strong>

Baldwin, A.L. (1948). Socialization and the parent-child relationship. <em>Child Development 19</em>, 127-136. Retrieved from: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1125710

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Baumrind, D. (1978). Parental disciplinary patterns and social competence in children. <em>Youth Society 9</em>(3), 239-267. DOI: 10.1177/0044118X7800900302

<hr />

Collins, W.A. (Ed.) (1984). <em>Development during middle childhood: The years from six to twelve</em>. Washington, D.C.: National Academies Press. Full book available as a pdf at: http://www.nap.edu/catalog/56.html

<hr />

Crockenberg, S.C., &amp; Litman, C. (1990). Autonomy as competence in 2-year-olds: Maternal correlates of child defiance, compliance, and self-assertion.<em> Developmental Psychology 26</em>(6), 961-971. DOI: 0.1037/0012-1649.26.6.961

<hr />

Hare, A.L., Szwedo, D.E., Schad, M.M., &amp; Allen, J.P. (2014). Undermining adolescent autonomy with parents and peers: The enduring implications of psychologically controlling parenting. <em>Journal of Research on Adolesence 24</em>(4), 739-752. DOI: 10.1111/jora.12167

<hr />

Lamborn, S.D., Mounts, N.S., Steinberg, L., &amp; Dornbusch, S.M. (1991). Patterns of competence and adjustment among adolescents from authoritative, authoritarian, indulgent, and neglectful families. <em>Child Development 62</em>, 1049-1065. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.1991.tb01588.x

<hr />

Lansbury, J. (2014). <em>Setting limits with respect: What it sounds like</em>. Retrieved from: http://www.janetlansbury.com/2014/04/setting-limits-with-respect-what-it-sounds-like-podcast/

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Kochanska, G. (1997). Mutually responsive orientation between mothers and their young children: Implications for early socialization. Child Development 68(1), 94-112. 10.1111/j.1467-8624.1997.tb01928.x

<hr />

Kochanska, G. (2013). Promoting toddlers’ positive social-emotional outcomes in low-income families: A play-based experimental study. <em>Journal of Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology 42</em>(5), 700-712. DOI: 10.1080/15374416.2013.782815

<hr />

Kochanska, G., Kim, S., &amp; Boldt, L.J. (2015). (Positive) power to the child: The role of children’s willing stance toward parents in developmental cascades from toddler age to early preadolescence. <em>Developmental Psychopathology 27</em>(4pt.1), 987-1005. DOI: 10.1017/S0954579415000644

<hr />

Kohn, A. (2005). <em>Unconditional parenting: Moving from rewards and punishments to love and reason.</em> New York: Atria.

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Parpal, M., &amp; Maccoby, E.E. (1985). Maternal responsiveness and subsequent child compliance. <em>Child Development 56</em>, 1326-1334. DOI: 10.2307/1130247

<hr />

Spera, C. (2005). A review of the relationship among parenting practices, parenting styles, and adolescent school achievement. <em>Educational Psychology 17</em>(2), 125-146. DOI: 10.1007/s10648-005-3950-1

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<strong>Transcript</strong>

This episode actually grew out of an assignment for my master’s program. I’m in the middle of a class on child psychology, which is really at the heart of the curriculum for the masters in psychology with a focus on child development. We were presented with a case study for a child called Jeremiah whose mother was at the end of her rope in dealing with him because he basically refused to cooperate with her. He was having problems in school as well and I was tasked with writing a guide for his mother that that would help her to address some of his challenges.

I’ve been reading two books that helped me with this assignment – the first is Unconditional Parenting by Alfie Kohn, who also wrote the book Punished by Rewards that was the basis of the episode on not saying “Good Job.” The blurb on the back of Unconditional Parenting starts out “Most parenting guides begin with the question “How can we get kids to do what they’re told?” and then proceed to offer various techniques for controlling them. In this truly groundbreaking book, nationally respected educator Alfie Kohn begins instead by asking “What do kids need – and how can we meet those needs?” What follows from that question are ideas for working <em>with</em> children rather than doing things <em>to</em> them.”

I read Unconditional Parenting a while ago and have been looking for an excuse to delve into the research behind it so this seemed to be about as good of an offer as I was going to get. But I have on my nightstand at the moment the provocatively-titled book “Do Parents Matter?” which is sort of like David Lancy’s book The Anthropology of Childhood that I’ve quoted many times on this show except that the authors actually lived in the communities and did a lot of the research themselves that the book cites, whereas Lancy’s book mostly cites other anthropologists’ work. At various points in Do Parents Matter? very young children in some African and Central American cultures are described as being highly cooperative and even obedient. They can and will sit still and quiet through long church services or car rides; they entertain their siblings rather than squabbling with them and they make valuable contributions to the running of a household. And I started to think about how to marry these two lines of inquiry together – what is it that parents in other cultures are doing to get their kids to cooperate in learning and in life? And are some of those things the kinds of activities that we should consider doing to get our own kids to cooperate more – or is the key really focusing on the child’s needs like Alfie Kohn suggests?

So let’s start with the research on children in other cultures. Sarah and Robert LeVine spent two years studying how the GuSII people in Kenya take care of their infants, and compared these relationships with middle-class American mothers in Boston. The Gusii mothers would spend a lot of time soothing their babies. Mother and baby were in close bodily contact for much of the day, or if the mothers weren’t available then siblings were holding the baby. The mothers responded very quickly to a distressed cry, often by offering a breast – the LeVines showed some Gusii mothers a video of an American baby crying while having his diaper changed and the mothers were shocked that anyone would let a baby cry for even a few seconds. The Gusii infants rarely cry long enough to become aroused, and being in constant touch with another person and feeding as soon as they fuss helps to keep the baby calm. The Gusii mothers didn’t use toys or other objects to play with their baby, and would turn the baby away from them so the baby couldn’t make eye contact if they thought the baby was getting too excited so the baby would calm down again. The Gusii mothers want a calm infant and a compliant child because another child is probably on the way within a couple of years, since the average Gusii mother has ten children – so this continual “soothing” of the baby helps to set the stage for a toddler who prioritizes his mother’s wishes and doesn’t give her much trouble.

Shifting gears a bit to slightly older children among the Mayans of the YucaTAN, we find that children older than two are asked to do chores quickly and efficiently. Beginning around age 6 the run errands, help older siblings with chores outside their compound, and take care of younger siblings. Girls learn to make tortillas by watching, and by the mother’s very judicious use of direction. I have personally watched children younger than ten in the highlands of Guatemala make tortillas – they left a bucket of corn to soak overnight and in the morning they took it up the hill to someone who had a generator and returned with the corn ground up. They would pat the tortilla into shape, passing it from hand to hand. I tried it myself, and they laughed at me because I couldn’t stop the dough from sticking to my hands and my tortillas were so thick they were virtually inedible. Children in many cultures WANT to learn and they are EXPECTED to learn; they stand stock-still watching someone do a task that they’re interested in, and they learn how to do it by watching the task over and over again. Their parents don’t have to train them or teach them to do a task; the child learns how to do it because he wants to, because what is being learned has some value – often a real contribution to the running of the household. If an adult offers instruction it’s during the course of doing work, not as a lesson specifically set up to teach the child something. And one set of researchers note that in learning outside of school there are virtually no failures. Some children might take longer than others to learn certain skills but almost all children become able to collaborate and contribute fully to family and community. Flunking isn’t really an option.

Of course, you can also take the opposite approach like Chinese parents, as these mothers combine parental authority with love – if you love your child then you want to train him for the seven Confucian learning values, which are sincerity, diligence, endurance of hardship, perseverance, concentration, respect for teachers, and humility. Chinese parents consider the child’s school performance as part of their development as a moral person. They criticize their children without worrying about the child’s self-esteem because...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Parenting is tough, huh? Sometimes it feels like we spend a lot of our time asking our daughter to do things…and asking again…and finding a more creative way to ask. We’re going to get some great advice on this next week from Julie King, co-author of the new book How to Talk so Little Kids will Listen – but for this week I want to set the stage and think about why we should bother with all of this. Why not just force our kids to do what we want them to do? And, is it possible to raise obedient kids who can also think for themselves?

<strong>Reference</strong>

Baldwin, A.L. (1948). Socialization and the parent-child relationship. <em>Child Development 19</em>, 127-136. Retrieved from: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1125710

<hr />

Baumrind, D. (1978). Parental disciplinary patterns and social competence in children. <em>Youth Society 9</em>(3), 239-267. DOI: 10.1177/0044118X7800900302

<hr />

Collins, W.A. (Ed.) (1984). <em>Development during middle childhood: The years from six to twelve</em>. Washington, D.C.: National Academies Press. Full book available as a pdf at: http://www.nap.edu/catalog/56.html

<hr />

Crockenberg, S.C., &amp; Litman, C. (1990). Autonomy as competence in 2-year-olds: Maternal correlates of child defiance, compliance, and self-assertion.<em> Developmental Psychology 26</em>(6), 961-971. DOI: 0.1037/0012-1649.26.6.961

<hr />

Hare, A.L., Szwedo, D.E., Schad, M.M., &amp; Allen, J.P. (2014). Undermining adolescent autonomy with parents and peers: The enduring implications of psychologically controlling parenting. <em>Journal of Research on Adolesence 24</em>(4), 739-752. DOI: 10.1111/jora.12167

<hr />

Lamborn, S.D., Mounts, N.S., Steinberg, L., &amp; Dornbusch, S.M. (1991). Patterns of competence and adjustment among adolescents from authoritative, authoritarian, indulgent, and neglectful families. <em>Child Development 62</em>, 1049-1065. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.1991.tb01588.x

<hr />

Lansbury, J. (2014). <em>Setting limits with respect: What it sounds like</em>. Retrieved from: http://www.janetlansbury.com/2014/04/setting-limits-with-respect-what-it-sounds-like-podcast/

<hr />

Kochanska, G. (1997). Mutually responsive orientation between mothers and their young children: Implications for early socialization. Child Development 68(1), 94-112. 10.1111/j.1467-8624.1997.tb01928.x

<hr />

Kochanska, G. (2013). Promoting toddlers’ positive social-emotional outcomes in low-income families: A play-based experimental study. <em>Journal of Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology 42</em>(5), 700-712. DOI: 10.1080/15374416.2013.782815

<hr />

Kochanska, G., Kim, S., &amp; Boldt, L.J. (2015). (Positive) power to the child: The role of children’s willing stance toward parents in developmental cascades from toddler age to early preadolescence. <em>Developmental Psychopathology 27</em>(4pt.1), 987-1005. DOI: 10.1017/S0954579415000644

<hr />

Kohn, A. (2005). <em>Unconditional parenting: Moving from rewards and punishments to love and reason.</em> New York: Atria.

<hr />

Parpal, M., &amp; Maccoby, E.E. (1985). Maternal responsiveness and subsequent child compliance. <em>Child Development 56</em>, 1326-1334. DOI: 10.2307/1130247

<hr />

Spera, C. (2005). A review of the relationship among parenting practices, parenting styles, and adolescent school achievement. <em>Educational Psychology 17</em>(2), 125-146. DOI: 10.1007/s10648-005-3950-1

&nbsp;

<a href="#" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read Full Transcript</a>

<strong>Transcript</strong>

This episode actually grew out of an assignment for my master’s program. I’m in the middle of a class on child psychology, which is really at the heart of the curriculum for the masters in psychology with a focus on child development. We were presented with a case study for a child called Jeremiah whose mother was at the end of her rope in dealing with him because he basically refused to cooperate with her. He was having problems in school as well and I was tasked with writing a guide for his mother that that would help her to address some of his challenges.

I’ve been reading two books that helped me with this assignment – the first is Unconditional Parenting by Alfie Kohn, who also wrote the book Punished by Rewards that was the basis of the episode on not saying “Good Job.” The blurb on the back of Unconditional Parenting starts out “Most parenting guides begin with the question “How can we get kids to do what they’re told?” and then proceed to offer various techniques for controlling them. In this truly groundbreaking book, nationally respected educator Alfie Kohn begins instead by asking “What do kids need – and how can we meet those needs?” What follows from that question are ideas for working <em>with</em> children rather than doing things <em>to</em> them.”

I read Unconditional Parenting a while ago and have been looking for an excuse to delve into the research behind it so this seemed to be about as good of an offer as I was going to get. But I have on my nightstand at the moment the provocatively-titled book “Do Parents Matter?” which is sort of like David Lancy’s book The Anthropology of Childhood that I’ve quoted many times on this show except that the authors actually lived in the communities and did a lot of the research themselves that the book cites, whereas Lancy’s book mostly cites other anthropologists’ work. At various points in Do Parents Matter? very young children in some African and Central American cultures are described as being highly cooperative and even obedient. They can and will sit still and quiet through long church services or car rides; they entertain their siblings rather than squabbling with them and they make valuable contributions to the running of a household. And I started to think about how to marry these two lines of inquiry together – what is it that parents in other cultures are doing to get their kids to cooperate in learning and in life? And are some of those things the kinds of activities that we should consider doing to get our own kids to cooperate more – or is the key really focusing on the child’s needs like Alfie Kohn suggests?

So let’s start with the research on children in other cultures. Sarah and Robert LeVine spent two years studying how the GuSII people in Kenya take care of their infants, and compared these relationships with middle-class American mothers in Boston. The Gusii mothers would spend a lot of time soothing their babies. Mother and baby were in close bodily contact for much of the day, or if the mothers weren’t available then siblings were holding the baby. The mothers responded very quickly to a distressed cry, often by offering a breast – the LeVines showed some Gusii mothers a video of an American baby crying while having his diaper changed and the mothers were shocked that anyone would let a baby cry for even a few seconds. The Gusii infants rarely cry long enough to become aroused, and being in constant touch with another person and feeding as soon as they fuss helps to keep the baby calm. The Gusii mothers didn’t use toys or other objects to play with their baby, and would turn the baby away from them so the baby couldn’t make eye contact if they thought the baby was getting too excited so the baby would calm down again. The Gusii mothers want a calm infant and a compliant child because another child is probably on the way within a couple of years, since the average Gusii mother has ten children – so this continual “soothing” of the baby helps to set the stage for a toddler who prioritizes his mother’s wishes and doesn’t give her much trouble.

Shifting gears a bit to slightly older children among the Mayans of the YucaTAN, we find that children older than two are asked to do chores quickly and efficiently. Beginning around age 6 the run errands, help older siblings with chores outside their compound, and take care of younger siblings. Girls learn to make tortillas by watching, and by the mother’s very judicious use of direction. I have personally watched children younger than ten in the highlands of Guatemala make tortillas – they left a bucket of corn to soak overnight and in the morning they took it up the hill to someone who had a generator and returned with the corn ground up. They would pat the tortilla into shape, passing it from hand to hand. I tried it myself, and they laughed at me because I couldn’t stop the dough from sticking to my hands and my tortillas were so thick they were virtually inedible. Children in many cultures WANT to learn and they are EXPECTED to learn; they stand stock-still watching someone do a task that they’re interested in, and they learn how to do it by watching the task over and over again. Their parents don’t have to train them or teach them to do a task; the child learns how to do it because he wants to, because what is being learned has some value – often a real contribution to the running of the household. If an adult offers instruction it’s during the course of doing work, not as a lesson specifically set up to teach the child something. And one set of researchers note that in learning outside of school there are virtually no failures. Some children might take longer than others to learn certain skills but almost all children become able to collaborate and contribute fully to family and community. Flunking isn’t really an option.

Of course, you can also take the opposite approach like Chinese parents, as these mothers combine parental authority with love – if you love your child then you want to train him for the seven Confucian learning values, which are sincerity, diligence, endurance of hardship, perseverance, concentration, respect for teachers, and humility. Chinese parents consider the child’s school performance as part of their development as a moral person. They criticize their children without worrying about the child’s self-esteem because self-esteem is less important than being a diligent student.

So I think the key point in all of this is that it’s possible to use a variety of methods to create a child who does exactly what he is told – you can keep him calm all the time by being in constant contact with him and not playing with him in an American sense of using toys to interact with him. You can teach him the importance of sitting quietly and observing to take advantage of his innate capacity to learn and contribute to the family. You can directly instruct the child on the qualities you think are important and berate them if they don’t measure up. You can threaten to beat them or actually beat them if they don’t do what you say – there are plenty of cultures where this happens although I’ll go on the record and say that I’m against it in the kinds of Western cultures of which I’m a member.

But it seems as though the one thing you cannot do is raise a child to think for himself, to be independent, to take the initiative, to be self-confident, to think creatively, to talk from an early age – all typical goals of American parents – you can’t raise a child to be all of these things *and* obey your every word. The two things just don’t go together.

I have yet to find information in a book or paper describing parenting practices in non-Western cultures that describes the mental health outcomes in the children who are in constant physical contact but otherwise ignored, who are berated, and who are threatened or beaten. It’s certainly possible that not all of these lead to negative mental health outcomes in children in cultures where these practices occur, but I do wonder. And secondly, I wonder what the relationship between the child and the parent is like when the child gets older. If the primary goal is obedience to the parent then as long as the child is obedient then everything is probably fine from the parent’s perspective. But I wonder how it feels from the child’s perspective.

In Western cultures we try to achieve two goals that I haven’t seen mentioned in descriptions of other cultures – we try to ensure the positive mental health of our children, and we try to build a positive relationship between the child and the parent. And while some of the practices used in other cultures can be helpful to us – personally I plan to shift how I cook from keeping sharp knives away from my toddler to using them within her reach, but instructing her to keep her hands away so she can more closely observe how I prepare dinner every night. But in general if we are to meet our goals for developing what we consider to be well-adjusted children who grow into well-adjusted adults who have a good relationship with us then we need two things. Firstly, we need to redefine our expectations regarding getting a child to do what we want him to do, because an inherent part of raising a free-thinker is that they don’t always do what you want them to do. And secondly we need a different toolkit than the people in cultures who create compliant children through keeping them calm or training them to observe or berating them. We need to move beyond thinking about getting our children to do what we want them to do and start thinking about how we create the kind of relationship with them that makes THEM want to be in a positive working relationship with us as we go out on this journey of life.

So why don’t we just control our children? Why don’t we just tell them what we want them to do and force them to do it? Diana Baumrind is a psychologist who described three different parenting styles. Authoritarian parents foster individuality, self-regulation, and self-assertion by meeting and responding to their children’s needs, and exert a fairly high level of control over their children to integrate them into the family culture. In White Western cultures, authoritarian parents are generally considered the “good” parents. Parents who exert a lot of control but don’t balance it with meeting and responding to their children’s needs are called “Authoritative.” (Because I always have to look it up to remember which is which I’ll restate these two – Authoritarian parents are the good ones that exert a high degree of control but are also responsive. Authoritative parents exert a high degree of control but are not responsive).  This style of parenting is more common in the African-American community in the U.S. and while it has been shown to cause negative effects on White children, that’s not necessarily the case with African-American children. Authoritative parenting is associated with better outcomes for African-American children, but the Authoritarian style isn’t terrible. The Permissive parenting style is linked to a high degree of responsiveness to the child, but a low degree of control. So the child gets what she wants, and doesn’t have to fit into the rest of the family – in fact, the family fits around her. A fourth style was added later by some other researchers, who noticed that low responsiveness and low control are basically elements of neglectful parenting.

So, Alfie Kohn cites a number of studies that link authoritative – the bad kind – of parenting with really negative psychological outcomes, and several more have been done since that essentially find the same thing. A really early study from way back in 1948 noticed that when parents control children and don’t allow children any kind of say in how rules are made or who does what and when, then we get a “quiet-well-behaved, non-resistant child…conformity to cultural demands is not easily obtained without robbing the child of that personal integrity which gives him a mind of his own. Very controlling parenting obtains conformity but at the expense of personal freedom in areas which are not intended to be restricted.”

Another of the studies that Kohn cites makes a distinction that I found really helpful, and that’s the difference between self-assertion and defiance. If a mother tells her child to pick up some toys and put them in a box, if the child say’s “No, still playing” then he is asserting himself. But if he takes more toys out of the basket or if he throws a toy across the room, he is defying her. So if the act is primarily geared toward resisting what the mother wants to do, then we call it “defiance.” But if the child really does want to keep playing not just for the sake of defying the mother, then that’s assertion. Now this is important because researchers associate self-assertion with competence in young children, but the same doesn’t hold true for defiance. Children who say “no” more often are more likely to have a secure attachment to their parents, engage in more negotiation with their mothers, and are more developmentally advanced that other children. Children who are defiant often hare parents who use highly power-assertive control strategies like anger, harshness, criticism, and spanking or hitting, and the mother’s use of these strategies after the child’s initial ‘no’ was more likely than other strategies to result in defiance, probably because she’s using these strategies to signal that she’s not willing to negotiate. If the child complies at this point he does so because his mother has more power than him, and his autonomy suffers. And asking a child “Could you pick up the toys now?” wasn’t effective at getting compliance either because the child feels like he has a choice, and he chooses not to pick up the toys.

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I have to say when I started researching this episode that I didn’t realize where it was going to end up, which his pretty much directly supporting the Resources for Infant Educarers, or RIE, approach to parenting that I use. I haven’t talked too much about this in the podcast because I haven’t been able to find much information to say that its strategies are supported by science – I mainly did it because it advocates for respect in the relationship between the parent and the child and that just felt very RIGHT to me. But while there is no research out there that says “RIE parenting methods produce better children than non-RIE methods,” it’s pretty interesting to me to see strategies that RIE has taught me described in a paper on effective methods of gaining compliance. I’ll quote from the paper: “Mothers who were effective at eliciting compliance from their children and deflecting defiance were very clear about what they wanted, but in addition to listening to their children’s objections, they also accommodated them in ways that conveyed respect for the children’s autonomy and individuality. Often, the process of obtaining compliance was quite extended; mothers reasoned, persuaded, suggested, and adapted their requests to what they thought the child would accept. In doing so, they encouraged competent behavior on the part of their toddler.”

If you want to hear this in action, go and check out Janet Lansbury’s podcast episode on setting limits with respect – there’s a link to it in the references for this episode. Janet has been a RIE parent educator since 1994, and I find it really helpful to not just read the language she uses but hear her demonstrate it. I do want to be super clear that respecting autonomy and individuality doesn’t mean being a pushover. I think of it as believing that I have rights as a person in the parenting relationship as well, and I place primary importance on the relationship between my daughter and I, and that it’s OK for us each to have boundaries about what is and isn’t OK. Sometimes my daughter doesn’t want to kiss me goodbye in the morning and that’s OK with me – that’s her boundary, her limit in that moment. I cheerfully wave goodbye to her as her Dad takes her to daycare and think nothing more of it. And also I have the right to set boundaries as well – I don’t want there to be water all over the floor in the bathroom after her bath. If she’s splashing a lot then I tell her “I don’t want you to splash water on the floor. You can splash...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/compliance]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1451</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/27ddf46d-8601-44ce-9660-d2e13a1b0ba1/Compliance-edited-audio.mp3" length="20687959" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Parenting is tough, huh?  Sometimes it feels like we spend a lot of our time asking our daughter to do things…and asking again…and finding a more creative way to ask.  We’re going to get some great advice on this next week from Julie King, co-author of the new book How to Talk so Little Kids will Listen – but for this week I want to set the stage and think about why we should bother with all of this.  Why not just force our kids to do what we want them to do?  And, is it possible to raise obedient kids who can also think for themselves?

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Crockenberg, S.C., and Litman, C. (1990). Autonomy as competence in 2-year-olds: Maternal correlates of child defiance, compliance, and self-assertion. Developmental Psychology 26(6), 961-971. DOI: 0.1037/0012-1649.26.6.961
Hare, A.L., Szwedo, D.E., Schad, M.M., and Allen, J.P. (2014). Undermining adolescent autonomy with parents and peers: The enduring implications of psychologically controlling parenting. Journal of Research on Adolesence 24(4), 739-752. DOI: 10.1111/jora.12167
Lamborn, S.D., Mounts, N.S., Steinberg, L., and Dornbusch, S.M. (1991). Patterns of competence and adjustment among adolescents from authoritative, authoritarian, indulgent, and neglectful families. Child Development 62, 1049-1065. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.1991.tb01588.x
Lansbury, J. (2014). Setting limits with respect: What it sounds like. Retrieved from: http://www.janetlansbury.com/2014/04/setting-limits-with-respect-what-it-sounds-like-podcast/
Kochanska, G. (1997). Mutually responsive orientation between mothers and their young children: Implications for early socialization. Child Development 68(1), 94-112. 10.1111/j.1467-8624.1997.tb01928.x
Kochanska, G. (2013). Promoting toddlers’ positive social-emotional outcomes in low-income families: A play-based experimental study. Journal of Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology 42(5), 700-712. DOI: 10.1080/15374416.2013.782815
Kochanska, G., Kim, S., and Boldt, L.J. (2015). (Positive) power to the child: The role of children’s willing stance toward parents in developmental cascades from toddler age to early preadolescence. Developmental Psychopathology 27(4pt.1), 987-1005. DOI: 10.1017/S0954579415000644
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Did your child receive a digital device as a gift over the holidays? Have you been able to prise it out of his/her hands yet?

Regular listeners might recall that we did an episode recently called <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/screen-time/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">“Really, how bad is screen time for my child?”</a> where we went into the American Academy of Pediatrics’ guidelines on screen time for very young children, so if you haven’t listened to that one yet you might want to go and do it before you listen to this episode, because this one really builds on that one.

Yes, we know we’re not supposed to give our babies under 18 months old access to screens. But at some point our children are going to start using screens – and we as parents need tools to manage that process, whether we’ve limited screens until now or whether we’ve been using them as a bit of a crutch. (If you’re in a third category of parents who is totally happy with the amount and type of screen time your children are getting and feel confident about managing this in the future then click along to the next episode, because there’s nothing for you here!) So all of this is what today’s guest is going to help us to figure out.

Dr Kristy Goodwin is one of Australia’s leading digital parenting experts (and mum who also has to deal with her kids’ techno-tantrums!). She’s the author of the brand new book <a href="http://amzn.to/2GYgWRe" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Raising Your Child in a Digital World</em></a><em> (Affiliate link). </em> Dr Kristy arms parents, educators and health professionals with research-based information about what today’s young, digital kids <em>really </em>need to thrive online and offline. Kristy takes the guesswork and guilt out of raising kids in the digital age by arming parents and educators with facts, not fears about how screens are impacting on children’s health, wellbeing and development.

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<strong>References</strong>

Brewer, J. (2016). Digital Nutrition (website/blog). Retrieved from: http://www.digitalnutrition.com.au/blog

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Christakis, D., Zimmerman, F.J., DiGuiseppe, D.L., &amp; McCarty, C.A. (2004). Early television exposure and subsequent attentional problems in children. Pediatrics 113(4), 708-713.

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Common Sense Media website: www.commonsensemedia.org (Also check your app store for their app)

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Goodwin, K. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2GYgWRe" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Raising your child in a digital world: What you need to know!</a>. Warriewood, NSW: Finch. (Affiliate link)

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Kindertown website: http://www.kindertown.com/ (Also check your app store for their app)

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Jen:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.23" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[00:30]</u></a>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called Raising Your Child in a Digital World. Now, regular listeners might recall that we did an episode recently called really how bad his screen time for my child and we went into the American Academy of Pediatrics’ guidelines on screen time for very young children. So if you haven’t listened to that one already, you might want to go back and do that before you listen to this episode because this one really builds on that one. So we all know that we’re not supposed to give her a babies under 18 months old access to screens, but at some point our children are going to start using screens and we as parents need tools to manage that process, whether we have limited screens until now or whether we’ve been using them as a bit of a crutch.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=70.36" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:10]</u></a>

And l say that if you find yourself in a third category of parents who’s totally happy with the amount and type of screen time that your children are getting and you feel confident about managing this in the future, then you should just click along to the next episode because there’s nothing for you here, but for the rest of us who are still trying to figure all this out that’s what today’s guest is going to help us do. So Dr. Kristy Goodwin is one of Australia’s leading digital parenting experts and she’s also a mom who has to deal with her kids techno tantrums. She’s the author of the brand new book, Raising Your Child in a Digital World, and Dr Christie arms parents, educators, and health professionals with research based information about what today’s young digital kids really need to thrive online and offline. Christy takes the guesswork and guilt out of raising kids in the digital age by arming parents and educators with facts and not fears about how screens are impacting children’s health, wellbeing, and development. Welcome Dr. Goodwin, thanks so much for joining us.

Dr. Goodwin:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.931" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:05]</u></a>

My pleasure. It’s great to be here.

Jen:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.51" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:08]</u></a>

So your book outlines seven building blocks for young children’s development. Can you tell us a little bit about what those are?

Dr. Goodwin:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.46" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:15]</u></a>

Sure. So I draw on the neuroscience and the developmental science research and they have consistently identified that children have basic, unchanging developmental needs or priorities. And it doesn’t matter where the children were born in 2012 or whether they were born in 1950. Their developmental needs are fairly, pretty consistently the same. So I identified the seven basic developmental needs or as I refer to in the book as the building blocks. And kids need basic things like relationships and attachments. They need language exposure to as much language as possible, both hearing and using. They need sleep, they need opportunities for play, they need opportunities for physical movements, they need good quality nutrition. And the final one is a relatively new one that I’m looking at executive function skills and these are basically children’s higher order thinking skills at the part of the brain that’s responsible for executive function skills is sometimes referred to as the air traffic control system or CEO of the brain. So I draw on what the research because we’ve got a very robust, consistent body of research that says these are the basic needs that children have in order to thrive. And then what I do is look at how technology is intersecting with those basic needs.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.52" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:36]</u></a>

So I know we’ve, we’ve talked a lot already in the previous episode about how researchers are concerned with children’s screen time. So I, I want to spend a little bit of time on this just to make sure that we’re acknowledging it before we move into some of the more positive attributes. So can you tell us that some of the ways that screen time can hinder children’s development?

Dr. Goodwin: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=235.64" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:55]</u></a>

We do some preliminary research that tells us that excessive or inappropriate use of technology with children can have some adverse effects. In particular, the research has consistently identified but excessive or inappropriately used technology can have implications on children’s sleep. It’s also associated with obesity levels and some research, although not yet consistent, tells us that it has been correlated with attentional issues. This doesn’t necessarily mean that screens cause attentional issues, but there’s definitely a link there. More recently we’re seeing, and again, these are still in the preliminary stages because we need to remember, you know, the ipad is only six years old, and as a researcher in this field, I have to admit, we’re really hopeless at keeping up with the technology. The technology is growing exponentially by the time we conduct, publish, and then disseminate research, the technology is often been superseded. So we don’t yet have, you know, I’m often asked what’s the longterm impact of preschoolers and toddlers on the iPad.

Dr. Goodwin:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.83" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[05:00]</u></a>

I hate to say we really don’t yet know. And in some regards we are conducting a bit of a living experiment. So that’s why I always fall back on what do we know, what does the science tell us? It’s those seven basic things. So we’re seeing with screens in particular, there’s a displacement effect, so when...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Did your child receive a digital device as a gift over the holidays? Have you been able to prise it out of his/her hands yet?

Regular listeners might recall that we did an episode recently called <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/screen-time/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">“Really, how bad is screen time for my child?”</a> where we went into the American Academy of Pediatrics’ guidelines on screen time for very young children, so if you haven’t listened to that one yet you might want to go and do it before you listen to this episode, because this one really builds on that one.

Yes, we know we’re not supposed to give our babies under 18 months old access to screens. But at some point our children are going to start using screens – and we as parents need tools to manage that process, whether we’ve limited screens until now or whether we’ve been using them as a bit of a crutch. (If you’re in a third category of parents who is totally happy with the amount and type of screen time your children are getting and feel confident about managing this in the future then click along to the next episode, because there’s nothing for you here!) So all of this is what today’s guest is going to help us to figure out.

Dr Kristy Goodwin is one of Australia’s leading digital parenting experts (and mum who also has to deal with her kids’ techno-tantrums!). She’s the author of the brand new book <a href="http://amzn.to/2GYgWRe" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Raising Your Child in a Digital World</em></a><em> (Affiliate link). </em> Dr Kristy arms parents, educators and health professionals with research-based information about what today’s young, digital kids <em>really </em>need to thrive online and offline. Kristy takes the guesswork and guilt out of raising kids in the digital age by arming parents and educators with facts, not fears about how screens are impacting on children’s health, wellbeing and development.

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<strong>References</strong>

Brewer, J. (2016). Digital Nutrition (website/blog). Retrieved from: http://www.digitalnutrition.com.au/blog

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Christakis, D., Zimmerman, F.J., DiGuiseppe, D.L., &amp; McCarty, C.A. (2004). Early television exposure and subsequent attentional problems in children. Pediatrics 113(4), 708-713.

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Common Sense Media website: www.commonsensemedia.org (Also check your app store for their app)

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Goodwin, K. (2016). <a href="http://amzn.to/2GYgWRe" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Raising your child in a digital world: What you need to know!</a>. Warriewood, NSW: Finch. (Affiliate link)

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Kindertown website: http://www.kindertown.com/ (Also check your app store for their app)

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Jen:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.23" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[00:30]</u></a>

Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Your Parenting Mojo, which is called Raising Your Child in a Digital World. Now, regular listeners might recall that we did an episode recently called really how bad his screen time for my child and we went into the American Academy of Pediatrics’ guidelines on screen time for very young children. So if you haven’t listened to that one already, you might want to go back and do that before you listen to this episode because this one really builds on that one. So we all know that we’re not supposed to give her a babies under 18 months old access to screens, but at some point our children are going to start using screens and we as parents need tools to manage that process, whether we have limited screens until now or whether we’ve been using them as a bit of a crutch.

Jen: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=70.36" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[01:10]</u></a>

And l say that if you find yourself in a third category of parents who’s totally happy with the amount and type of screen time that your children are getting and you feel confident about managing this in the future, then you should just click along to the next episode because there’s nothing for you here, but for the rest of us who are still trying to figure all this out that’s what today’s guest is going to help us do. So Dr. Kristy Goodwin is one of Australia’s leading digital parenting experts and she’s also a mom who has to deal with her kids techno tantrums. She’s the author of the brand new book, Raising Your Child in a Digital World, and Dr Christie arms parents, educators, and health professionals with research based information about what today’s young digital kids really need to thrive online and offline. Christy takes the guesswork and guilt out of raising kids in the digital age by arming parents and educators with facts and not fears about how screens are impacting children’s health, wellbeing, and development. Welcome Dr. Goodwin, thanks so much for joining us.

Dr. Goodwin:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.931" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:05]</u></a>

My pleasure. It’s great to be here.

Jen:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.51" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:08]</u></a>

So your book outlines seven building blocks for young children’s development. Can you tell us a little bit about what those are?

Dr. Goodwin:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.46" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[02:15]</u></a>

Sure. So I draw on the neuroscience and the developmental science research and they have consistently identified that children have basic, unchanging developmental needs or priorities. And it doesn’t matter where the children were born in 2012 or whether they were born in 1950. Their developmental needs are fairly, pretty consistently the same. So I identified the seven basic developmental needs or as I refer to in the book as the building blocks. And kids need basic things like relationships and attachments. They need language exposure to as much language as possible, both hearing and using. They need sleep, they need opportunities for play, they need opportunities for physical movements, they need good quality nutrition. And the final one is a relatively new one that I’m looking at executive function skills and these are basically children’s higher order thinking skills at the part of the brain that’s responsible for executive function skills is sometimes referred to as the air traffic control system or CEO of the brain. So I draw on what the research because we’ve got a very robust, consistent body of research that says these are the basic needs that children have in order to thrive. And then what I do is look at how technology is intersecting with those basic needs.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.52" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:36]</u></a>

So I know we’ve, we’ve talked a lot already in the previous episode about how researchers are concerned with children’s screen time. So I, I want to spend a little bit of time on this just to make sure that we’re acknowledging it before we move into some of the more positive attributes. So can you tell us that some of the ways that screen time can hinder children’s development?

Dr. Goodwin: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=235.64" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[03:55]</u></a>

We do some preliminary research that tells us that excessive or inappropriate use of technology with children can have some adverse effects. In particular, the research has consistently identified but excessive or inappropriately used technology can have implications on children’s sleep. It’s also associated with obesity levels and some research, although not yet consistent, tells us that it has been correlated with attentional issues. This doesn’t necessarily mean that screens cause attentional issues, but there’s definitely a link there. More recently we’re seeing, and again, these are still in the preliminary stages because we need to remember, you know, the ipad is only six years old, and as a researcher in this field, I have to admit, we’re really hopeless at keeping up with the technology. The technology is growing exponentially by the time we conduct, publish, and then disseminate research, the technology is often been superseded. So we don’t yet have, you know, I’m often asked what’s the longterm impact of preschoolers and toddlers on the iPad.

Dr. Goodwin:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.83" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[05:00]</u></a>

I hate to say we really don’t yet know. And in some regards we are conducting a bit of a living experiment. So that’s why I always fall back on what do we know, what does the science tell us? It’s those seven basic things. So we’re seeing with screens in particular, there’s a displacement effect, so when children are using a screen thing, not doing something else. So in particular we’re seeing the early signs that we were concerned about children’s fine motor skills. So children are learning to tap, swipe, and pinch before they’ve learned to grip a pencil and tie their shoe laces were also concerned with perhaps the use of screens to early on derailing or changing children’s brain architecture. We know, for example, in the first three years of life, brain development is predominantly focused on the sensory and the motor regions of the brain.

Dr. Goodwin: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=352.39" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[05:52]</u></a>

And then from that ages three to four, brain development shifts to that, the prefrontal, where they develop all those executive function skills. And we’re worried that if kids are spending too much time on screens and the sensory and motor regions of the brain, may be under-developed and then we’re placing them in a, you know, an online world that I call it, you know, it’s sensory seduction says things always trying to captivate their attention. Yet, they don’t have the impulse control that’s required in this prefrontal cortex where all their executive function skills…They don’t have those skills yet to manage their attention. So we can see there’s some of the potential concerns. Psychologists are very concerned with children’s self regulation skills that children are not learning how to manage some of their big emotions. Instead they’re being placated by a screen, you know, we give them the digital babysitter to calm them down.

Dr. Goodwin: <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=404.27" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[06:44]</u></a>

We’re also seeing, you know, some preliminary research on the impact of screens on relationships and other relationships children have with parents, not so much because of the child screen use, but even more interestingly, it’s parental use, you know, we’re calling it parental digital distraction and the impact that’s having. There’s one study that’s been published already that’s looked at what they’re calling fractured maternal care. And they looked at rodents because obviously getting ethics approval to do studies like this with humans would be near impossible. But what they’ve actually found is that there’s some adverse social and emotional consequences if the maternal rat was chronically distracted. I’m saying, you know, we’re just, there’s so many potential risks, so that’s why I think it’s always safe to be until we have conclusive longterm evidence, which we gears away from, let’s fall back on, you know, my friends call me Cautious Christy; I always err on the side of caution, do we know what, you know, what are their basic needs, let’s make sure they’re met and if they are met and a little bit of screen time is unlikely to be harmful or detrimental to them.

Jen:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.89" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[07:52]</u></a>

Okay. Okay. That makes sense. I just want to dig into a couple of things that you’ve mentioned. You talked about the correlative link between screen time and attention, and just wanted to clarify that you did say that that’s not causative, but just to clarify for listeners that I think what you’re saying here is that we know that there’s a link between screen time and attention and we’re not sure which causes, which is that right?

Dr. Goodwin:   <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.96" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[08:15]</u></a>

Absolutely. Definitely A study by Dr Christakis was published a few years ago and um, some of the media headlines as often is the case misconstrued the findings and said that screens, calls add and Adhd, and that is definitely not the case. We do not have the research to substantiate that there is a link, but we’re not sure which direction that link goes from. It goes between. So is it that children with attentional issues gravitate towards the rapid fire fast paced stimulation that the online world offers? Or is it that rapid fire stimulation, that sensory bombardment that controls a two inch totally. We don’t yet know. So I go back to what do we know that the prefrontal cortex, you know, where their executive function skills are developed. One of the key parts of executive function skills, is impulse control, and we know that this part of the brain doesn’t start to peek in its development until about age is four to six. So children cannot really orient and manage their attention. And even then attention management is not fully developed. So potential risks.

Jen:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=566.18" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[09:26]</u></a>

Yeah, and it seems as though the issue of correlation/causation is also there on that managing attention research, right? We don’t know if the children who have trouble managing their attention are gravitating towards screens or vice versa. And just something else that you mentioned that caught my ear. You said that children are learning to tap, swipe and pinch before they start learning to hold a pencil or tie their shoe laces. Is that a concern or could it be that those fine motor skills that children are developing using a screen time is actually helping them. Which, which way does that go?

Dr. Goodwin:<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=599.33" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[09:59]</u></a>

Yeah, so we’ll put some mixed research there . There was actually a study by the technology company AVG two years ago that said that children literally meet their technical milestones before their physical milestones now. Um, and it’s interesting. I traveled throughout Australia and this year I’m in Australia was the first year of what they’re calling the iPad kindergarten generation and teach us throughout the country anecdotally reporting that children are entering school with poor fine motor skills so they can, you know, not holding a pencil correctly, not able to use scissors. So there is definitely, I would think some sort of displacement effect that, you know, time on screens is eroding, superseding opportunities to develop those skills. However, we have also had a study published that has suggested that actually tapping and swapping, depending on what the actual action is on the screen, that can actually facilitate the development of fine motor skills. So again, it depends on what they’re doing. If an app is specifically designed, there are a couple of apps for preschoolers that I’m aware of that do start to develop some of the pincer group and some other small fine motor skills. But again, and this is where it all comes back to balance, you know, making sure that they get the best of analog and digital experiences as well.

Jen:    <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=678.31" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[11:18]</u></a>

Yeah. Okay. So we’ve talked a little bit about some of the potential negative effects the screen time can have on children’s development, but one of the things that I really loved about your book was the way that you address each of the seven building blocks in turn and for each of the building blocks that you’d talk about, not only the ways in which screen time can hinder children’s development in that block, but also how screen time can support it. And I was really surprised to find that there are ways that screen time can support all of the seven building blocks. So can you tell us about some of those more important ways that screen time can support child’s development?

Dr. Goodwin:  <a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pue0xa-ciciFT-8XYIvmtIhMrHtcyu2lVaGt3YATh4ISMzlOb34oPw_Q0Nhbqy9NRfU85l7hw6hcLHXyqc3JDGF2HZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=710.79" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>[11:50]</u></a>

Absolutely. So screen time isn’t necessarily toxic or taboo and I think this is one of the issues facing us as modern parents. Unfortunately, if we read popular media, all of the negative attributes of technology is often reported. So we are given a very lopsided view. And as a researcher in this field, I know that there’s a lot of positive potential that screens can offer, again, if they’re used appropriately and intentionally with our kids, so as parents, I think that helps us to ditch what I call the techno guilt, we don’t need to feel bad that accuracy using a screen because there is positive potential. In particular things like language, there are wonderful apps and websites and online tools that can develop children’s oral language skills, both very expressive language and receptive language skills. So in this instance, we need to be looking for apps in particular where it’s interactive, where children can either record their voice or were they can respond to some sort of stimulus.

Dr. Goodwin: <a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/digital-world]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1433</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2017 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4394a9d1-9dd8-4bb2-8c3a-75c95b89be5d/raising-your-child-in-a-digital-world-kristy-goodwin.mp3" length="30693889" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Did your child receive a digital device as a gift over the holidays?  Have you been able to prise it out of his/her hands yet?

Regular listeners might recall that we did an episode recently called “Really, how bad is screen time for my child?” where we went into the American Academy of Pediatrics’ guidelines on screen time for very young children, so if you haven’t listened to that one yet you might want to go and do it before you listen to this episode, because this one really builds on that one.

Yes, we know we’re not supposed to give our babies under 18 months old access to screens.  But at some point our children are going to start using screens – and we as parents need tools to manage that process, whether we’ve limited screens until now or whether we’ve been using them as a bit of a crutch.  (If you’re in a third category of parents who is totally happy with the amount and type of screen time your children are getting and feel confident about managing this in the future then click along to the next episode, because there’s nothing for you here!)  So all of this is what today’s guest is going to help us to figure out.

Dr Kristy Goodwin is one of Australia’s leading digital parenting experts (and mum who also has to deal with her kids’ techno-tantrums!). She’s the author of the brand new book Raising Your Child in a Digital World.   Dr Kristy arms parents, educators and health professionals with research-based information about what today’s young, digital kids really need to thrive online and offline. Kristy takes the guesswork and guilt out of raising kids in the digital age by arming parents and educators with facts, not fears about how screens are impacting on children’s health, wellbeing and development.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>018: The Spiritual Child: Possibly exaggerated, conclusions uncertain</title><itunes:title>018: The Spiritual Child: Possibly exaggerated, conclusions uncertain</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Someone in a parenting group on Facebook suggested I do an episode on The Spiritual Child, by Dr. Lisa Miller.  My first thought was that it didn’t really sound like my cup of tea but I was willing to read it and at least see what it had to say.

I was surprised by the book’s thesis that spirituality can play a critical role in a child’s and adolescent’s development.  But I was astounded that her thesis was actually backed up by scientific research.

I invited Dr. Miller to be on the show and she initially agreed – but during my preparation I found that the science supporting spirituality doesn’t seem to be quite as clear-cut as the book says it is.  I invited Dr. Miller again for a respectful discussion of the issues but I didn’t hear back from her.

In this episode I describe the book’s major claims, and assess where the science seems to support these and where it doesn’t.  I conclude with some practices you can use to deepen your child’s spiritual connection, if you decide that this is the right approach for your family.

Note: I mainly focused on the research related to child development in this article, but as I was about to publish this episode I found <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/08/shady-science-in-spiritual-child-bestseller.html">an article</a> claiming that the science behind some of Dr. Miller’s other assertions might not be so solid either.   I didn’t read all of those studies (because they’re not directly related to child development, and it took me a lot of hours to find and read just the ones that <em>were</em>), but the author’s conclusions very much mirror my own.

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Boytas, C.J. (2012). <em>Spiritual development during childhood and adolescence.</em> In L. Miller (Ed.). The Oxford handbook of psychology and spirituality. New York: Oxford.

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Button, T.M.M., Stallings, M.C., Rhee, S.H., Corley, R.P., &amp; Hewitt, J.K. (2011). The etiology of stability and change in religious values and religious attendance. <em>Behavioral Genetics 41</em>(2), 201-210. DOI: 10.1007/s10519-010-9388-3

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Mahoney, A. &amp; Tarakeshwar, N. (2005). <em>Religion’s role in marriage and parenting in daily life and during family crises.</em> In R.F. Paloutzain &amp; C.L. Park (Eds.), Handbook of the psychology of religion and spirituality (p.177-198). New York: The Guilford Press. Chapter available online at: http://psychologyofreligion99.blogspot.com/2013/07/religions-role-in-marriage-and.html

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Miller, L., Warner, V., Wickramaratne, P., &amp; Weissman, M. (1997). Religiosity and depression: Ten-year follow-up of depressed mothers and offspring. <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 36</em>(10), 1416-1425. Full article available at: http://highriskdepression.org/files/1997C.pdf

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Miller, L., Davies, M., &amp; Greenwald, S. (2000). Religiosity and substance use and abuse among adolescents in the National Comorbidity Survey. <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 39</em>(9), 1190-1197. DOI: 10.1097/00004583-200009000-00020

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Miller, L., &amp; Gur, M. (2002). Religiousness and sexual responsibility in adolescent girls. <em>Journal of Adolescent Health 31</em>, 401-406. DOI: 10.1016/S1054-139X(02)00403-2

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Miller, L., Wickramarante, P., Gameroff, M.J., Sage, M., Tenke, C.E., &amp; Weissman, M.M. (2012). Religiosity and major depression in adults at high risk: A ten-year prospective study. <em>American Journal of Psychiatry 169</em>(1), 89-94. DOI: 10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.10121823

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Miller, L., Bansal, R., Wickramaratne, P., Hao, X, Tenke, C.E., Weissman, M.M., &amp; Peterson, B.S. (2014). Neuroanatomical correlates of religiosity and spirituality: A study in adults at high and low familial risk for depression. <em>Journal of the American Medical Association, Psychiatry 71</em>(2), 128-135. DOI: 10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2013.3067

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Miller, L. (2015). <em>The spiritual child</em>. New York: St. Martin’s Press.

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Plante, T.G., &amp; Thoresen, C.E. (2012).<em> Spiritual development during childhood and adolescence.</em> In L. Miller (Ed.), The Oxford handbook of psychology and spirituality. New York: Oxford.

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Shoshani, A., &amp; Aviv, I. (2012). The pillars of strength for first-grade adjustment: Parental and children’s character strengths and the transition to elementary school. <em>The Journal of Positive Psychology 7</em>(4), 315-326. DOI: 10.1080/17439760.2012.691981

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Sloan, R.P. &amp; Bagiella, E. (2002). Claims about religious involvement and health. A<em>nnals of Behavioral Medicine 24</em>(1), 14-21. DOI: 10.1207/S15324796ABM2401_0

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Wagener, L.M. &amp; Maloney, H.N. (2006). <em>Spiritual and religious pathology in childhood and adolescence.</em> In E. Roehlkepartain, P.E. King, L. Wagener, &amp; P. L. Benson (Eds.), The handbook of spiritual development in childhood and adolescence (p.137-149). Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage.

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have a bit of a different episode lined up for today: we’re looking at the book Your Spiritual Child by Dr. Lisa Miller.  I was chatting with some parents in a Facebook group a while back and mentioned that I’m always looking for podcast episode topics, so one of them suggested I do an episode on this book.  My first thought was “well that doesn’t really sound like my cup of tea but I’ll read the book and see where it goes from there.”

So I read the book and I was pretty surprised – Dr. Miller makes all sorts of claims about the integral role that spirituality can play in a child’s development.  Her thesis is that children are naturally spiritual and that by not allowing them to develop this quality we’re depriving them of an essential ingredient in their success.  The really surprising part to me, though, was that her claims are underpinned by actual scientific research.  So I emailed Dr. Miller and said “hey, I’m an atheist but I read your book and I’d love to interview you on the show so we can dig into this and both my listeners and I can understand it better.”  She initially responded with something along the lines of “sounds great!” but we had some scheduling difficulties and then I stopped hearing back from her.  While the scheduling attempts were going on I was doing all the background research I normally do for an interview and I started to get more and more worried.  I was finding discrepancies between the outcomes of studies Dr. Miller referenced and the way she was describing them in the book -not in all cases, but in enough that I wanted to understand the issues further.  In the end I emailed her and told her what I’d found, explained that I was really interested in a rigorous intellectual discussion and didn’t have any malicious intent, and invited her again to be on the show but she didn’t respond.  I told her it would be a bit of a bummer to have spent all this time doing research and not have an episode to show for it so I would plan to go ahead and run it without her if she decided not to participate – so here we are.

So, let’s start with the book.  Dr. Miller defines spirituality as “an inner sense of living relationship to a higher power, which might be God, nature spirit, universe, the creator, or whatever your word is for the ultimate loving, guiding life-force.”  The important thing here is that spirituality is not tied to religion – it’s about an individual’s personal relationship with the transcendent, not about how organized religion might shape that experience.  We know this through the results of a study of White, Caucasian twins in Virginia by Kenneth Kendler, which asked the twins about their...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

Someone in a parenting group on Facebook suggested I do an episode on The Spiritual Child, by Dr. Lisa Miller.  My first thought was that it didn’t really sound like my cup of tea but I was willing to read it and at least see what it had to say.

I was surprised by the book’s thesis that spirituality can play a critical role in a child’s and adolescent’s development.  But I was astounded that her thesis was actually backed up by scientific research.

I invited Dr. Miller to be on the show and she initially agreed – but during my preparation I found that the science supporting spirituality doesn’t seem to be quite as clear-cut as the book says it is.  I invited Dr. Miller again for a respectful discussion of the issues but I didn’t hear back from her.

In this episode I describe the book’s major claims, and assess where the science seems to support these and where it doesn’t.  I conclude with some practices you can use to deepen your child’s spiritual connection, if you decide that this is the right approach for your family.

Note: I mainly focused on the research related to child development in this article, but as I was about to publish this episode I found <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/08/shady-science-in-spiritual-child-bestseller.html">an article</a> claiming that the science behind some of Dr. Miller’s other assertions might not be so solid either.   I didn’t read all of those studies (because they’re not directly related to child development, and it took me a lot of hours to find and read just the ones that <em>were</em>), but the author’s conclusions very much mirror my own.

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<strong>References</strong>

Benson, P.L., Roehlkepartain, E.C., &amp; Scales, P.C. (2012). <em>Spiritual development during childhood and adolescence.</em> In L. Miller (Ed.). The Oxford handbook of psychology and spirituality. New York: Oxford.

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Berry, D. (2005). Methodological pitfalls in the study of religiosity and spirituality. <em>Western Journal of Nursing Research 27</em>(5), 628-647. DOI: 10.1177/0193945905275519

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Boytas, C.J. (2012). <em>Spiritual development during childhood and adolescence.</em> In L. Miller (Ed.). The Oxford handbook of psychology and spirituality. New York: Oxford.

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Button, T.M.M., Stallings, M.C., Rhee, S.H., Corley, R.P., &amp; Hewitt, J.K. (2011). The etiology of stability and change in religious values and religious attendance. <em>Behavioral Genetics 41</em>(2), 201-210. DOI: 10.1007/s10519-010-9388-3

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Cloninger, C.R., Svrakic, D.M., &amp; Przybeck, T.R. (1993). A psychobiological model of temperament and character.<em> Archives of General Psychiatry 50</em>(12), 975-990. DOI: 10.1001/archpsyc.1993.01820240059008

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Gallup. (2016).<em> Religion.</em> Survey retrieved from (and updated annually at): http://www.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx

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Kendler, K.S., Gardner, C.O., &amp; Prescott, C.A. (1997). Religion, psychopathology, and substance use and abuse: a multimeasure, genetic-epidemiologic study. <em>American Journal of Psychiatry 154</em>, 322-329. Full article available at: http://medicina.fm.usp.br/cedem/simposio/Religion,%20Psychopathology,%20and%20Substance%20Use%20and%20Abuse.pdf

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Kendler, K.S., Gardner, C.O., &amp; Prescott, C.A. (1999). Clarifying the relationship between religiosity and psychiatric illness: The impact of covariates and the specificity of buffering effects. <em>Twin Research 2</em>, 137-144. DOI: 10.1375/twin.2.2.137

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Kidwell, J.S., Dunham, R.M., Bacho, R.A., Pastorino, E., &amp; Portes, P.R. (1995). Adolescent identity exploration: A test of Erikson’s theory of transitional crisis. <em>Adolescence 30</em>(120), 785-793.

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Koenig, L.B., McGue, M., &amp; Iacono, W.G. (2008). Stability and change in religiousness during emerging adulthood. <em>Developmental Psychology 44</em>(2), 532-543. DOI: 10.1037/0012-1649.44.2.532

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Mahoney, A. &amp; Tarakeshwar, N. (2005). <em>Religion’s role in marriage and parenting in daily life and during family crises.</em> In R.F. Paloutzain &amp; C.L. Park (Eds.), Handbook of the psychology of religion and spirituality (p.177-198). New York: The Guilford Press. Chapter available online at: http://psychologyofreligion99.blogspot.com/2013/07/religions-role-in-marriage-and.html

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Miller, L., Warner, V., Wickramaratne, P., &amp; Weissman, M. (1997). Religiosity and depression: Ten-year follow-up of depressed mothers and offspring. <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 36</em>(10), 1416-1425. Full article available at: http://highriskdepression.org/files/1997C.pdf

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Miller, L., Davies, M., &amp; Greenwald, S. (2000). Religiosity and substance use and abuse among adolescents in the National Comorbidity Survey. <em>Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 39</em>(9), 1190-1197. DOI: 10.1097/00004583-200009000-00020

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Miller, L., &amp; Gur, M. (2002). Religiousness and sexual responsibility in adolescent girls. <em>Journal of Adolescent Health 31</em>, 401-406. DOI: 10.1016/S1054-139X(02)00403-2

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Miller, L., Wickramarante, P., Gameroff, M.J., Sage, M., Tenke, C.E., &amp; Weissman, M.M. (2012). Religiosity and major depression in adults at high risk: A ten-year prospective study. <em>American Journal of Psychiatry 169</em>(1), 89-94. DOI: 10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.10121823

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Miller, L., Bansal, R., Wickramaratne, P., Hao, X, Tenke, C.E., Weissman, M.M., &amp; Peterson, B.S. (2014). Neuroanatomical correlates of religiosity and spirituality: A study in adults at high and low familial risk for depression. <em>Journal of the American Medical Association, Psychiatry 71</em>(2), 128-135. DOI: 10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2013.3067

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Miller, L. (2015). <em>The spiritual child</em>. New York: St. Martin’s Press.

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Plante, T.G., &amp; Thoresen, C.E. (2012).<em> Spiritual development during childhood and adolescence.</em> In L. Miller (Ed.), The Oxford handbook of psychology and spirituality. New York: Oxford.

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Shoshani, A., &amp; Aviv, I. (2012). The pillars of strength for first-grade adjustment: Parental and children’s character strengths and the transition to elementary school. <em>The Journal of Positive Psychology 7</em>(4), 315-326. DOI: 10.1080/17439760.2012.691981

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Sloan, R.P. &amp; Bagiella, E. (2002). Claims about religious involvement and health. A<em>nnals of Behavioral Medicine 24</em>(1), 14-21. DOI: 10.1207/S15324796ABM2401_0

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Wagener, L.M. &amp; Maloney, H.N. (2006). <em>Spiritual and religious pathology in childhood and adolescence.</em> In E. Roehlkepartain, P.E. King, L. Wagener, &amp; P. L. Benson (Eds.), The handbook of spiritual development in childhood and adolescence (p.137-149). Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage.

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Hello, and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  We have a bit of a different episode lined up for today: we’re looking at the book Your Spiritual Child by Dr. Lisa Miller.  I was chatting with some parents in a Facebook group a while back and mentioned that I’m always looking for podcast episode topics, so one of them suggested I do an episode on this book.  My first thought was “well that doesn’t really sound like my cup of tea but I’ll read the book and see where it goes from there.”

So I read the book and I was pretty surprised – Dr. Miller makes all sorts of claims about the integral role that spirituality can play in a child’s development.  Her thesis is that children are naturally spiritual and that by not allowing them to develop this quality we’re depriving them of an essential ingredient in their success.  The really surprising part to me, though, was that her claims are underpinned by actual scientific research.  So I emailed Dr. Miller and said “hey, I’m an atheist but I read your book and I’d love to interview you on the show so we can dig into this and both my listeners and I can understand it better.”  She initially responded with something along the lines of “sounds great!” but we had some scheduling difficulties and then I stopped hearing back from her.  While the scheduling attempts were going on I was doing all the background research I normally do for an interview and I started to get more and more worried.  I was finding discrepancies between the outcomes of studies Dr. Miller referenced and the way she was describing them in the book -not in all cases, but in enough that I wanted to understand the issues further.  In the end I emailed her and told her what I’d found, explained that I was really interested in a rigorous intellectual discussion and didn’t have any malicious intent, and invited her again to be on the show but she didn’t respond.  I told her it would be a bit of a bummer to have spent all this time doing research and not have an episode to show for it so I would plan to go ahead and run it without her if she decided not to participate – so here we are.

So, let’s start with the book.  Dr. Miller defines spirituality as “an inner sense of living relationship to a higher power, which might be God, nature spirit, universe, the creator, or whatever your word is for the ultimate loving, guiding life-force.”  The important thing here is that spirituality is not tied to religion – it’s about an individual’s personal relationship with the transcendent, not about how organized religion might shape that experience.  We know this through the results of a study of White, Caucasian twins in Virginia by Kenneth Kendler, which asked the twins about their experience of spirituality religion as part of understanding whether these could be protective against substance abuse.  Researchers like to study twins because it’s the closest thing we have to two people who are identical but still have important differences between them, like their experience of spirituality.  Dr Miller says that “by comparing monozygotic (which are twins from the same egg and who are thus genetically identical) with dizygotic twins (which came from two different eggs fertilized at the same time and are thus genetically different), our tendencies around personal devotion are due 29% to broad heritability, 24% to family environment, and 47% to our own personal unique environment.  Now I actually couldn’t find this result in Kendler’s study.  These specific findings aren’t discussed.  It’s possible Dr. Miller worked with the statistical results provided and devised these percentages, but they are not found in the paper.  Later in the book she calls him her “senior colleage,” so I wonder if she had access to data not described in the paper.  In the paper, Dr. Kendler finds that age and number of years of education are positively associated with personal devotion (which is what Dr. Miller calls transcendental relationships) and that none of the three dimensions of religiosity differed between monozygotic and dizygotic twins, although he doesn’t mention these differences for  personal devotion.

The study did that personal spirituality is a different thing from religious affiliation, which was another point that Dr Miller made, and this was corroborated by a follow-up study by Dr. Kendler.  The first study also found that both spirituality and religion are associated with lower levels of alcohol and tobacco use which is something we’ll get to again later.  Spirituality was inversely associated with depressive symptoms, indicating that people who experience spirituality are less likely to experience depression, and this actually wasn’t the case for religion.  But other than these findings, there were no significant correlations between spirituality or religiosity and any of 27 other mental illnesses.

It seems as though organized religion is at a bit of a crossroads in the U.S..  A Gallup poll that’s updated annually finds that the percentage of people reporting ‘none’ as their religion is increasing, and people reporting that they have a great deal of confidence in the church or organized religion is declining, while people who say they have ‘very little’ confidence in these organizations is increasing.  Yet 89% of people asked in 2016 if they believe in God will say “yes”- and that’s down from the 96% who believed in 1944, but it’s still <em>really high</em>.  So what do all these people who believe in God but don’t believe that organized religion has the answers tell their children?  Dr. Miller quotes some parents she’s talked with as saying “I don’t want to share my views about spiritual things because I’m not so sure myself.  I could say something to steer my child in the wrong direction.”  Another said “I’m just not sure how to put it.  There is almost nothing at all for parents that helps us talk about spirituality, other than religion.  But I’m not religious and I don’t like the way religion was taught to me.”  Many parents they know they don’t want organized religion for their children, but they don’t know what else to replace it with.

Dr. Miller goes on to quote these studies from Dr. Keller a number of other times, so in each case I tried to corroborate the evidence from an alternate source.  I did find one from Professor Ralph Piedmont of Loyola University, who wondered if spirituality could be considered a dimension making up a person that’s different from the other traits that make up a personality and found that transcendence does indeed appear to be a different component of personality than other characteristics.  So these studies point to the idea that at least a part of our spirituality is a genetic component of our makeup, and not something that is something we learn through exposure to organized religion.

Dr. Miller’s second major finding is that while we might notice elements of and a curiosity about spirituality in young children it really comes into its own in adolescence.  This fits with reading I’ve been doing for my classwork on adolescent development, related to the identity exploration that adolescents go through as they ‘try on’ different identities to see which one fits them.  It turns out that teenage angst and not wanting to be around parents very much are developmentally necessary things for adolescents to go through as they figure out who they are as separate beings from their parents.

My expectation would have been that the influence of biology decreases over time as the child is exposed to more experiences over the course of her life but a study by Dr. Tanya Button at the University of Colorado finds that at age 14, the largest impact on a teen’s spirituality is from her family, but by age 19 it is primarily shaped by her biology – in other words, the biological changes of puberty and adolescence.  When the researchers looked at the underlying causes of that shift they found that it was about half due to the force of genetic expression, or the “unlocking of the window” as Dr. Miller puts it, and the other half to the personal environment that the teens create as they go through the search for their identity – things like going to a youth group or to church, or trying meditation.  This shift in the influence of heritability was corroborated by Dr. Laura Koenig at the University of Minnesota using another twin study, so we can be reasonably sure about the conclusion that there is a surge in the importance of biological factors in determining an adolescent’s interest in spirituality.

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So all of this brings us to the question “why should we care about spirituality?” It’s nice to believe nice things about the world and the people in it, but are there any real benefits to being spiritual?  And this gets to the heart of the issues I was having as I read through the research that Dr. Miller draws on for the book.  Because as far as she is concerned, the evidence is pretty cut and dried – but it seems to me that it’s rather less so.

So let’s take a look.  We’ll start with young children: Dr. Anat Shoshani studied 479 five-year-old children in Israel to find out what kinds of characteristics are linked to a child’s adjusting well to school.  Dr. Miller reports that “the degree of the child’s transcendent strengths, based on spirituality, hope, humor, and gratitude, was more predictive of teacher’s ratings on school adjustment than the child’s other inborn capacities of intellect or temperament.”  But it turns out that that’s not what the study really said – it looked at four different types of school adjustment – cognitive, behavioral, social, and emotional.  Transcendent characteristics were indeed better related to good emotional adjustment (by a really tiny amount in some cases), but for cognitive, behavioral and social adjustment there were other factors that were more important than transcendent strengths in every case.  In fact, transcendent strengths weren’t even among the top four factors for cognitive and behavioral adjustment.  This study also brings up a methodological issue related to the study of spirituality – this Israeli study was the only one I saw that included hope and humor as definitions of a transcendent strength, and it’s entirely possible that these factors aren’t really related to spirituality at all.

Dr. Miller has done a lot of work related to spirituality and depression.  She and her colleagues did a study looking at MRIs of people with a high risk for depression; some of these people reported that religion or spirituality was important in their lives, while some said it wasn’t.  They found that the outer layer of the brain, called the cortex, was thicker in some places where people reported a high degree of religiousness and spirituality, and that a thinner cortex is associated with a certain type of familial risk of depression.  They caution that they can’t say which causes which; or even if one causes another – it’s possible that people with thicker cortices like to go to church or perhaps people who go to church altered the cortical thickness.

In another study, Dr. Miller found that adults who reported that religion or spirituality was highly important to them had about a quarter the risk of experiencing major depression over the next 10 years compared with other participants, and that this effect was most pronounced among those who were at higher risk for depression by having a depressed parent., who had about one tenth the risk of depression over the next 10 years than those who didn’t find religion or spirituality important.  This protective effect was found primarily against the recurrence rather than the onset of depression, which wasn’t adequately explained in the results – it’s not clear to me why spirituality wouldn’t protect you from getting depressed in the first place, but it does protect you from getting depressed again.  Yet in another of Dr. Miller’s studies, she assesses the impact of maternal religiosity as a protective factor against depression in offspring.  One of her major points in that work is that “overall the findings do not support the hypothesis that offspring religiosity is protective against offspring major depressive disorder.”  Another finding, that if mother and child has similar spiritual beliefs then the child is less likely to experience depression WAS cited in The Spiritual Child, but it’s not clear to me why she reports that finding but not the other finding that contradicts some of her other work.

Dr. Miller also looked at how spirituality and religiosity is associated with substance use and abuse in adolescents – and this is one of the few studies on spirituality...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/spiritual]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1428</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:59:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a61f88d3-fc67-4775-80de-fc79b2c02160/the-spiritual-child-lisa-miller.mp3" length="18887526" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Someone in a parenting group on Facebook suggested I do an episode on The Spiritual Child, by Dr. Lisa Miller.  My first thought was that it didn’t really sound like my cup of tea but I was willing to read it and at least see what it had to say.
I was surprised by the book’s thesis that spirituality can play a critical role in a child’s and adolescent’s development.  But I was astounded that her thesis was actually backed up by scientific research.
I invited Dr. Miller to be on the show and she initially agreed – but during my preparation I found that the science supporting spirituality doesn’t seem to be quite as clear-cut as the book says it is.  I invited Dr. Miller again for a respectful discussion of the issues but I didn’t hear back from her.
In this episode I describe the book’s major claims, and assess where the science seems to support these and where it doesn’t.  I conclude with some practices you can use to deepen your child’s spiritual connection, if you decide that this is the right approach for your family.
Note: I mainly focused on the research related to child development in this article, but as I was about to publish this episode I found http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/08/shady-science-in-spiritual-child-bestseller.html (an article) claiming that the science behind some of Dr. Miller’s other assertions might not be so solid either.   I didn’t read all of those studies (because they’re not directly related to child development, and it took me a lot of hours to find and read just the ones that were), but the author’s conclusions very much mirror my own.

References
Benson, P.L., Roehlkepartain, E.C., and Scales, P.C. (2012). Spiritual development during childhood and adolescence. In L. Miller (Ed.). The Oxford handbook of psychology and spirituality. New York: Oxford.
Berry, D. (2005). Methodological pitfalls in the study of religiosity and spirituality. Western Journal of Nursing Research 27(5), 628-647. DOI: 10.1177/0193945905275519
Boytas, C.J. (2012). Spiritual development during childhood and adolescence. In L. Miller (Ed.). The Oxford handbook of psychology and spirituality. New York: Oxford.
Button, T.M.M., Stallings, M.C., Rhee, S.H., Corley, R.P., and Hewitt, J.K. (2011). The etiology of stability and change in religious values and religious attendance. Behavioral Genetics 41(2), 201-210. DOI: 10.1007/s10519-010-9388-3
Cloninger, C.R., Svrakic, D.M., and Przybeck, T.R. (1993). A psychobiological model of temperament and character. Archives of General Psychiatry 50(12), 975-990. DOI: 10.1001/archpsyc.1993.01820240059008
Gallup. (2016). Religion. Survey retrieved from (and updated annually at): http://www.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx
Kendler, K.S., Gardner, C.O., and Prescott, C.A. (1997). Religion, psychopathology, and substance use and abuse: a multimeasure, genetic-epidemiologic study. American Journal of Psychiatry 154, 322-329. Full article available at: http://medicina.fm.usp.br/cedem/simposio/Religion,%20Psychopathology,%20and%20Substance%20Use%20and%20Abuse.pdf
Kendler, K.S., Gardner, C.O., and Prescott, C.A. (1999). Clarifying the relationship between religiosity and psychiatric illness: The impact of covariates and the specificity of buffering effects. Twin Research 2, 137-144. DOI: 10.1375/twin.2.2.137
Kidwell, J.S., Dunham, R.M., Bacho, R.A., Pastorino, E., and Portes, P.R. (1995). Adolescent identity exploration: A test of Erikson’s theory of transitional crisis. Adolescence 30(120), 785-793.
Koenig, L.B., McGue, M., and Iacono, W.G. (2008). Stability and change in religiousness during emerging adulthood. Developmental Psychology 44(2), 532-543. DOI: 10.1037/0012-1649.44.2.532
Mahoney, A. and Tarakeshwar, N. (2005).</itunes:summary></item><item><title>017: Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</title><itunes:title>017: Don’t bother trying to increase your child’s self-esteem</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;
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<div>When I first started researching this episode I thought it would be a bit of a slam-dunk.  Self-esteem is a good thing, right?</div>
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<div>I was <i>really </i>surprised to find that there’s little evidence that self-esteem helps children to do better in school, or even be happier, so there’s a good deal of disagreement among psychologists about whether encouraging self-esteem is necessarily a good thing.</div>
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<div>This episode digs into these issues to understand (as much as scientists currently can) the benefits of self-esteem – and what qualities parents might want to encourage in their children in place of self-esteem to enable better outcomes.  It also touches on our self-esteem as parents – because don’t we all want to think that our child is just a little bit special, so we know we’re good parents?</div>
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00:31 Introduction of episode

01:45 What research says about self-esteem

03:41 Stages on how children develop self-esteem

06:01 3 Conditions that children experience social success when outside the family

10:06 The link between violence and self-esteem

13:23 The link between self-esteem and school performance

16:04 Role of self-esteem in interpersonal relationships

18:17 What conclusion can parents make in this episode

23:46 Self-compassion affects self-esteem

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<strong>References</strong>

Bachman, J.G. &amp; O’Malley, P.M. (1986). Self-concepts, self-esteem, and educational experiences: The frog pond revisited (again). <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 50</em>, 35-46.

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Baumeister, R.F., Campbell, J.D., Krueger, J.I., &amp; Vohs, K.D. (2003). Does high self-esteem cause better performance, interpersonal success, happiness, or healthier lifestyles? <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest 4</em>(1), 1-44. DOI: 10.1111/1529-1006.01431

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Beggan, J.K. (1992). On the social nature of nonsocial perception: The mere ownership effect.<em> Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 62</em>(2), 229-237. DOI: 10.1037/0022-3514.62.2.229

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Bretherton, I. (1992). The origins of attachment theory: John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth. <em>Developmental Psychology 28</em>(5), 759-775. Retrieved from: http://cmapspublic2.ihmc.us/rid=1LQX400NM-RBVKH9-1KL6/the%20origins%20of%20attachment%20theory%20john%20bowlby%20and_mary_ainsworth.pdf

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Brummelman, E., Thomaes, S., Orobio de Castro, B., Overbeek, G., &amp; Bushman, B.J. (2014). “That’s not just beautiful – that’s incredibly beautiful!”: The adverse impact of inflated praise on children with low self-esteem. <em>Psychological Science Online</em>, 1-8. DOI: 10.1177/0956797613514251

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California State Department of Education (1990). Toward a state of esteem: The final report of the California task force to promote self-esteem and personal and social responsibility. Full report available at: http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED321170.pdf

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Coleman, P.K. &amp; Karraker, K.H. (1997). Self-efficacy and parenting quality: Findings and future applications. <em>Developmental Review 18</em>, 47-85. DOI: 10.1006/drev.1997.0448

<hr />

Cvencek, D., Greenwald, A.G., &amp; Meltzoff, A.N. (2016). Implicit measures for preschool children confirm self-esteem’s role in maintaining a balanced identity. <em>Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 62</em>, 50-57. DOI: 10.1016/j.jesp.2015.09.015

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Dweck, C. (2007). <em>Mindset: The new psychology of success.</em> New York: Ballantine.
Forsyth, D.R., &amp; Kerr, N.A. (1999, August). Are adaptive illusions adaptive? Poster presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association, Boston, MA.

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Guindon, M.H. (2010).<em> Self-esteem across the lifespan.</em> New York: Routledge.

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Harter, S. (1993). Causes and consequences of low self-esteem in children and adolescents. <em>In</em> R.F. Baumeister (Ed.), <em>Self-esteem: The puzzle of low self-regard.</em> New York: Plenum.

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James, W. (1983).<em> The principles of psychology.</em> Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press. (Original work published 1890)

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Joslin, K.R. (1994).<em> Positive parenting from A to Z.</em> New York: Ballantine.

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Kutob, R.M., Senf, J.H., Crago, M., &amp; Shisslak, C.M. (2010). Concurrent and longitudinal predictors of self-esteem in elementary and middle school girls. <em>Journal of School Health 80</em>(5), 240-248. DOI: 10.1111/j.1746-1561.2010.00496.x

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Mruk, C.J. (2006). <em>Self-esteem, research, theory, and practice</em> (3rd Ed.). New York: Springer.

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Neff, K.D. (2011). Self-compassion, self-esteem, and well-being. <em>Social and Personality Psychology Compass 5</em>(1), 1-12. DOI: 10.1111/j.1751-9004.2010.00330.x

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Neff, K.D., &amp; McGehee, P. (2010). Self-compassion and psychological resilience among adolescents and young adults. <em>Self and Identity 9</em>, 225-240. DOI: 10.1080/15298860902979307

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Vohs, K.D., Bardone, A.M., Joiner, T.E., Abramson, L.Y., &amp; Heatherton, T.F. (1999). Perfectionism, perceived weight status, and self-esteem interact to predict bulimic symptoms: A model of bulimic symptom development. <em>Journal of Abnormal Psychology 108</em>, 695-700. DOI: 10.1037/0021-843X.108.4.695

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast – today’s episode is about self-esteem.  Now I have to say that when I first started researching this episode I thought it would be a bit of a slam-dunk.  Self-esteem is a good thing, right?  So I could find some studies talking about the detrimental effects of not having self-esteem, and some others talking about the benefits of having it, and conclude with studies on how to get more of it.

But, you know, I actually enjoy these episodes a lot more when the findings are counter-intuitive.  It turns out that the concept of self-esteem has been <em>very</em> well studied – I saw an estimate of 23,215 articles, chapters, and books on this topic, and that was a decade ago– and the reason for that is it’s actually a bit of a hard topic for us to get our arms around.  It’s difficult to even get a definition of what self-esteem is – you can try this yourself by defining it and then asking someone else to define it, and by trying to rationalize the two definitions into one statement – it’s very difficult to incorporate different opinions into one defensible definition.  It’s also hard to study, because people tend to fib when you ask them about their self-esteem.  And I was <em>really </em>surprised to find that there’s disagreement among psychologists about whether encouraging self-esteem is necessarily a good thing.  So let’s see what the research says…

It seems like virtually every article I found on this topic begins by citing an essay that the psychologist William James wrote in 1890 that purportedly describes what self-esteem is, and it is a bit dense: “So our self-feeling in this world depends entirely on what we back ourselves to be and do.  It is determined by the ratio of our actualities to our supposed potentialities; a fraction of which our pretensions are the denominator and the numerator our success, thus: self-esteem = successes/pretentions.  Such a fraction may be increased as well by diminishing the denominator as by increasing the numerator” – in other words, self-esteem increases when your successes are greater than your pretentions, and you can increase your successes or decrease your pretentions – or both – to increase your self-esteem.  And it’s important that those successes be successes that are important to you – if you have “pretensions” of being good at something then it’ll be more important to you that you be successful in that arena than in a field that you <em>know</em> you don’t know much about.  So for James, self-esteem is fundamentally related to competence, but other researchers see it as being related to worth, or value as a person, which introduces new things that can help us (for example, if self-esteem is an attitude then it can be measured) as well as things that make the definition more difficult (for example, it may be different in different cultures and we’d need to find out if any of the factors that make it up are found across all cultures).  The most recent work puts these two together and say it’s about both competence and worthiness – we have a need to feel worthy and we achieve that need by feeling competent, so that’s the definition we’re going to go with for now, and we’ll have to live with some of the squishiness around self-esteem being related to two qualities, like the fact that it can be higher from one moment to the next or when the person thinks about one specific trait rather than another.

So how do children develop self-esteem?  An influential psychologist named Erik Erikson developed what he called a series of psychosocial stages that all people pass through as they go through their lives.  It’s kind of like Freud’s psychosexual stages except Erickson focuses on our interactions with culture and society rather than Freud’s emphasis on the conflict between the id and the superego within the individual’s brain.  Erikson says that our ego develops as it resolves crises that it goes through.  The first stage runs from birth to about 18 months and is concerned with developing a trusting relationship with parents as the child resolves the trust vs. mistrust crisis – two other prominent psychologists, John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth would call this the attachment...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;
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<div>When I first started researching this episode I thought it would be a bit of a slam-dunk.  Self-esteem is a good thing, right?</div>
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<div>I was <i>really </i>surprised to find that there’s little evidence that self-esteem helps children to do better in school, or even be happier, so there’s a good deal of disagreement among psychologists about whether encouraging self-esteem is necessarily a good thing.</div>
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<div>This episode digs into these issues to understand (as much as scientists currently can) the benefits of self-esteem – and what qualities parents might want to encourage in their children in place of self-esteem to enable better outcomes.  It also touches on our self-esteem as parents – because don’t we all want to think that our child is just a little bit special, so we know we’re good parents?</div>
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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:31 Introduction of episode

01:45 What research says about self-esteem

03:41 Stages on how children develop self-esteem

06:01 3 Conditions that children experience social success when outside the family

10:06 The link between violence and self-esteem

13:23 The link between self-esteem and school performance

16:04 Role of self-esteem in interpersonal relationships

18:17 What conclusion can parents make in this episode

23:46 Self-compassion affects self-esteem

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<strong>References</strong>

Bachman, J.G. &amp; O’Malley, P.M. (1986). Self-concepts, self-esteem, and educational experiences: The frog pond revisited (again). <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 50</em>, 35-46.

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Baumeister, R.F., Campbell, J.D., Krueger, J.I., &amp; Vohs, K.D. (2003). Does high self-esteem cause better performance, interpersonal success, happiness, or healthier lifestyles? <em>Psychological Science in the Public Interest 4</em>(1), 1-44. DOI: 10.1111/1529-1006.01431

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Beggan, J.K. (1992). On the social nature of nonsocial perception: The mere ownership effect.<em> Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 62</em>(2), 229-237. DOI: 10.1037/0022-3514.62.2.229

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Bretherton, I. (1992). The origins of attachment theory: John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth. <em>Developmental Psychology 28</em>(5), 759-775. Retrieved from: http://cmapspublic2.ihmc.us/rid=1LQX400NM-RBVKH9-1KL6/the%20origins%20of%20attachment%20theory%20john%20bowlby%20and_mary_ainsworth.pdf

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Brummelman, E., Thomaes, S., Orobio de Castro, B., Overbeek, G., &amp; Bushman, B.J. (2014). “That’s not just beautiful – that’s incredibly beautiful!”: The adverse impact of inflated praise on children with low self-esteem. <em>Psychological Science Online</em>, 1-8. DOI: 10.1177/0956797613514251

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California State Department of Education (1990). Toward a state of esteem: The final report of the California task force to promote self-esteem and personal and social responsibility. Full report available at: http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED321170.pdf

<hr />

Coleman, P.K. &amp; Karraker, K.H. (1997). Self-efficacy and parenting quality: Findings and future applications. <em>Developmental Review 18</em>, 47-85. DOI: 10.1006/drev.1997.0448

<hr />

Cvencek, D., Greenwald, A.G., &amp; Meltzoff, A.N. (2016). Implicit measures for preschool children confirm self-esteem’s role in maintaining a balanced identity. <em>Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 62</em>, 50-57. DOI: 10.1016/j.jesp.2015.09.015

<hr />

Dweck, C. (2007). <em>Mindset: The new psychology of success.</em> New York: Ballantine.
Forsyth, D.R., &amp; Kerr, N.A. (1999, August). Are adaptive illusions adaptive? Poster presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association, Boston, MA.

<hr />

Guindon, M.H. (2010).<em> Self-esteem across the lifespan.</em> New York: Routledge.

<hr />

Harter, S. (1993). Causes and consequences of low self-esteem in children and adolescents. <em>In</em> R.F. Baumeister (Ed.), <em>Self-esteem: The puzzle of low self-regard.</em> New York: Plenum.

<hr />

James, W. (1983).<em> The principles of psychology.</em> Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press. (Original work published 1890)

<hr />

Joslin, K.R. (1994).<em> Positive parenting from A to Z.</em> New York: Ballantine.

<hr />

Kutob, R.M., Senf, J.H., Crago, M., &amp; Shisslak, C.M. (2010). Concurrent and longitudinal predictors of self-esteem in elementary and middle school girls. <em>Journal of School Health 80</em>(5), 240-248. DOI: 10.1111/j.1746-1561.2010.00496.x

<hr />

Mruk, C.J. (2006). <em>Self-esteem, research, theory, and practice</em> (3rd Ed.). New York: Springer.

<hr />

Neff, K.D. (2011). Self-compassion, self-esteem, and well-being. <em>Social and Personality Psychology Compass 5</em>(1), 1-12. DOI: 10.1111/j.1751-9004.2010.00330.x

<hr />

Neff, K.D., &amp; McGehee, P. (2010). Self-compassion and psychological resilience among adolescents and young adults. <em>Self and Identity 9</em>, 225-240. DOI: 10.1080/15298860902979307

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Vohs, K.D., Bardone, A.M., Joiner, T.E., Abramson, L.Y., &amp; Heatherton, T.F. (1999). Perfectionism, perceived weight status, and self-esteem interact to predict bulimic symptoms: A model of bulimic symptom development. <em>Journal of Abnormal Psychology 108</em>, 695-700. DOI: 10.1037/0021-843X.108.4.695

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast – today’s episode is about self-esteem.  Now I have to say that when I first started researching this episode I thought it would be a bit of a slam-dunk.  Self-esteem is a good thing, right?  So I could find some studies talking about the detrimental effects of not having self-esteem, and some others talking about the benefits of having it, and conclude with studies on how to get more of it.

But, you know, I actually enjoy these episodes a lot more when the findings are counter-intuitive.  It turns out that the concept of self-esteem has been <em>very</em> well studied – I saw an estimate of 23,215 articles, chapters, and books on this topic, and that was a decade ago– and the reason for that is it’s actually a bit of a hard topic for us to get our arms around.  It’s difficult to even get a definition of what self-esteem is – you can try this yourself by defining it and then asking someone else to define it, and by trying to rationalize the two definitions into one statement – it’s very difficult to incorporate different opinions into one defensible definition.  It’s also hard to study, because people tend to fib when you ask them about their self-esteem.  And I was <em>really </em>surprised to find that there’s disagreement among psychologists about whether encouraging self-esteem is necessarily a good thing.  So let’s see what the research says…

It seems like virtually every article I found on this topic begins by citing an essay that the psychologist William James wrote in 1890 that purportedly describes what self-esteem is, and it is a bit dense: “So our self-feeling in this world depends entirely on what we back ourselves to be and do.  It is determined by the ratio of our actualities to our supposed potentialities; a fraction of which our pretensions are the denominator and the numerator our success, thus: self-esteem = successes/pretentions.  Such a fraction may be increased as well by diminishing the denominator as by increasing the numerator” – in other words, self-esteem increases when your successes are greater than your pretentions, and you can increase your successes or decrease your pretentions – or both – to increase your self-esteem.  And it’s important that those successes be successes that are important to you – if you have “pretensions” of being good at something then it’ll be more important to you that you be successful in that arena than in a field that you <em>know</em> you don’t know much about.  So for James, self-esteem is fundamentally related to competence, but other researchers see it as being related to worth, or value as a person, which introduces new things that can help us (for example, if self-esteem is an attitude then it can be measured) as well as things that make the definition more difficult (for example, it may be different in different cultures and we’d need to find out if any of the factors that make it up are found across all cultures).  The most recent work puts these two together and say it’s about both competence and worthiness – we have a need to feel worthy and we achieve that need by feeling competent, so that’s the definition we’re going to go with for now, and we’ll have to live with some of the squishiness around self-esteem being related to two qualities, like the fact that it can be higher from one moment to the next or when the person thinks about one specific trait rather than another.

So how do children develop self-esteem?  An influential psychologist named Erik Erikson developed what he called a series of psychosocial stages that all people pass through as they go through their lives.  It’s kind of like Freud’s psychosexual stages except Erickson focuses on our interactions with culture and society rather than Freud’s emphasis on the conflict between the id and the superego within the individual’s brain.  Erikson says that our ego develops as it resolves crises that it goes through.  The first stage runs from birth to about 18 months and is concerned with developing a trusting relationship with parents as the child resolves the trust vs. mistrust crisis – two other prominent psychologists, John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth would call this the attachment relationship.  The next stage is autonomy vs. shame which runs from 1 ½ to 3 years, where children develop physical skills – success results in autonomy, while failure results in shame and doubt.  Between ages 3 and 5 children achieve greater independence and must resolve the initiative vs. guilt crisis as they take on self-directed activity and achieve a sense of direction and purpose.  And between ages 5-12 children must resolve the industry vs. inferiority conflict by managing the demands of learning school-based and other skills to achieve a sense of competence or a sense of inferiority if they fail.  There are other stages as well that are relevant to individuals in later stages of life but we’ll stop here for our purposes.  As I read through these stages I could see how the ideas of competence and worthiness could be superimposed on each stage – as the individual goes through the stage (except maybe the first one) she receives signals about her competence and her need to feel worthy that are either positive and reinforce her competence and worthiness or are negative and undercut them.

Very young children, between the ages of about three and five, can develop ideas about their strengths and things they find difficult, but they don’t generalize this to a global self-evaluation.  Sometime between the ages of five and seven this generalization does occur, possibly as repeated successes, probably combined with parental encouragement to keep developing those skills, that becomes a self-fulfilling loop that promotes the development of self-esteem.  One study noted that children are more likely to experience social success outside the family when three conditions are met – firstly they have an unwavering sense of acceptance by their family, second that they feel confident that they can meet age-appropriate expectations, and thirdly that they value their own autonomy.  They compare their successes with those of friends and seek out friends who reinforce their self-esteem.  This does seem to me to be a very western-centric definition of self-esteem – very focused on comparing oneself to others and being better than others in at least some domains.  The majority of self-esteem research has been done on White children in North America, but it does make me wonder how children in cultures where this individual success is less important and may actually be frowned upon develop self-esteem – or if they do.  A brand new study from 2016 actually measured self-esteem in five year-olds, which is something that hadn’t been done before because five year-olds don’t normally have the cognitive maturity or the vocabulary to discuss abstract concepts like the ‘self.’  Some researchers at the University of Washington set up an experiment where children were given flags to represent themselves (and some stickers representing the flags that they could take home after the experiment).  They used flags because children understand what flags are; the fact that they used flags is sort of irrelevant, but it’s based on the idea that once you own something – whatever it is – you become associated with it.  The children had to sort icons on a computer screen to state which flags on the computer were like their own flags, and then make associations between their own flags and “good” and “bad” flags.  Overall children associated their own flags with “good” flags more than “bad” ones, meaning that they had fairly high self-esteem the researchers didn’t collect any other data about the children’s life circumstances that could help us to understand whether we should have expected this result in these or other children because their main objective was to see if it was even <em>possible</em> to test for self-esteem in five year-olds.

So now we’ve determined what self-esteem is and that young children can have it, let’s talk about whether it’s a good thing.  Perhaps it should come as no great surprise that my own home state of California actually led the charge in promoting the idea of self-esteem as a “social vaccine” – the state created a task force which released a report in 1990 that defined self-esteem rather more broadly than we have defined it: “appreciating my own worth and importance and having the character to be accountable for myself and to act responsibly toward others.”  I have no quibbles with the first part of the definition, which is pretty much the one we’ve been working with, but being accountable and acting responsibly is much more in the interests of the state – which wants to increase social goods and reduce social ills – than any specific individual.  The research report – which is available in full online; there’s a link in the references – say that low levels of self-esteem are linked to academic success, drug and alcohol abuse, crime and violence, poverty and chronic welfare dependency – all factors that cost the state an enormous amount of money.  The study was based on a literature review, which means the researchers read a lot of books and papers by other authors, much like I did for this episode.  But I should note that the average Your Parenting Mojo episode has a longer reference list than the average chapter in the task force report.  The report’s authors also relied mostly on other reports and on books rather than original research papers.  The reason I use so many journal articles in my references is because articles published in journals go through a peer review process, which means that probably three people not involved in the research read the article and try to make sure the methods make sense, that reasonable conclusions were reached, and so on.  It’s not a foolproof system, but it is an extra layer of corroboration that doesn’t exist when you reference books and other reports.

Perhaps it was inevitable that the pendulum would swing the other way.  In 2003, Roy Baumeister and his colleagues published a 44-page literature review (which is really long, in the journal world) that contained almost five full pages of references, the vast majority of them original research published in peer-reviewed journals, which basically called into question all of the findings of the California Task Force report.  Let’s go through the findings.  Firstly, the link between violence and self—esteem is very unclear, because people who are narcissistic – that is, they have an inflated sense of their own self-importance – score highly on self-esteem measures.  Some people with low self-esteem are violent, but so are some of the narcissists, which makes the non-narcissists with high self-esteem look bad.  Some studies from the 1980s looking at prejudice found that people with low self-esteem expressed more negativity about people who weren’t like them than people with higher self-esteem.  Then other researchers noticed that the low self-esteem people also expressed negativity about people who *were* like them – and once you they took that into account they could see that people with high self-esteem were actually <em>more</em> prejudiced toward people in other groups than people with low self-esteem.  Several studies have looked at global self-esteem (so, the kind that’s not linked to a specific task) and its connection with attractiveness.  It’s not hard to believe the results that self-esteem is mostly linked to how attractive a person thinks they are – one study found a correlation of 0.85, which is extremely high.  But if we try to introduce a more objective assessment of assessing attractiveness than just asking people how attractive they are by having judges rate full-length photographs of the same people, the correlation between attractiveness and self-esteem dropped to 0.06.  Photographs of just the individuals’ heads and shoulders fared slightly better with a correlation of 0.14, but then the researchers realized that people who were rated as more attractive were often wearing nice jewelry and clothes.  Take those away, and the correlation dropped to precisely zero.  So people with high self-esteem think they are attractive, even if other people don’t.

Given our society’s focus on body weight you might also think there would be a high correlation between actual body weight and self-esteem.  Just a quick primer on correlations in case you haven’t looked at a math textbook for a while: a correlation of 0 represents no alignment between two variables in question and -1 and 1 represent perfect correlations, the first negative and the second positive.  It turns out that there is a correlation of about -0.24 between actual body weight and self-esteem, but there’s a much stronger link between how people rate their own weight and self-esteem – that correlation was -0.72.  So people with high self-esteem are a bit thinner than the rest of us, but not by as much as they think.  When we turn our attention from “normal” people to those with diagnosable eating disorders, we actually find quite a strong link between self-esteem and bulimia although again, we do not fully understand which causes which and so we don’t know that interventions to improve self-esteem can reduce the symptoms of bulimia.  It seems that the combination of low self-esteem plus having perfectionist standards for yourself (i.e. a slim body) which you can’t possibly meet (exhibited by feeling overweight) is predictive of bulimic symptoms.  One study found that teasing about an elementary school girl’s weight was more important than the girl’s actual weight in predicting self-esteem, and girls who were teased about their weight had lower self-esteem even if they believed the teasing had no effect on how they felt about themselves.  This research implies that school-based efforts to improve self-esteem are likely to fall flat if they don’t address other causes of low self-esteem related to body weight like teasing.

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<div>In this conversation Dr. <span class="il">Claudia</span> <span class="il">Gold</span> helps us to understand that what we call ADHD – an extreme example of a child’s “acting up” – is not a known biological process but rather a collection of behaviors that often go together.  We might call them “symptoms,” but they aren’t symptoms in the way that a cough is a symptom of pneumonia.</div>
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<div>Instead, Dr. <span class="il">Gold</span> argues that by medicating the symptoms (i.e. the “difficult behavior”) we ignore the underlying problems that are causing them which ultimately doesn’t help the child – or the family.</div>
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<div>Whether your child has been diagnosed with ADHD, whether you suspect it, or whether you’re struggling with run-of-the-mill behavior problems, Dr. <span class="il">Gold </span>has practical advice to help you.</div>
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<div>Gold, C.M. (2016). <em>The silenced child: From labels, medications, and quick-fix solutions to listening, growth, and lifelong resilience.</em> Boston, MA: Da Capo Press.</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/thesilencedchild]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1421</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2016 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9b50494c-764f-4abd-b142-8f6988e3627e/the-silenced-child.mp3" length="26830570" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>16</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>16</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/1088d01f-c299-4bc0-885d-19d5c2d49fe2/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>015: How to support your introverted child</title><itunes:title>015: How to support your introverted child</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Do you think your child may be <span class="il">introverted</span>?  Or are you not sure how to tell?  Around one in three people are <span class="il">introverted</span> so if you have two or three children, chances are one of them is <span class="il">introverted</span>.  While Western – and particularly American – society tends to favor extroverts, being an <span class="il">introvert </span>isn’t something we can – or should – cure.  It’s a personality trait, not a flaw.

Join me as we walk through a topic near and dear to my heart, and learn the difference between <span class="il">introversion</span> and shyness, and how to support your <span class="il">introverted</span> child – no matter whether you yourself are <span class="il">introverted</span> or extroverted.

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<strong>References</strong>

Aron, E.N. (1996). Are you highly sensitive? Retrieved from: http://hsperson.com/test/highly-sensitive-test/

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Belsky, J., Jonassaint, C., Pluess, M., Stanton, M., Brummett, B., &amp; Williams, R. (2009). Vulnerability genes or plasticity genes? <em>Molecular Psychiatry 14</em>, 746-754. DOI: 10.1038/mp.2009.44

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Cain, S. (2013). <em>Quiet: The power of introverts in a world that can’t stop talking. </em>New York: Broadway.

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Dobbs, D. (2009). <em>The science of success.</em> The Atlantic. Retrieved from: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/12/the-science-of-success/307761/

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Kagan, J., &amp; Snidman, N. (2004).<em> The long shadow of temperament. </em>Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press

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Keogh, B.K. (1986). Temperament and schooling: Meaning of “Goodness of Fit”? In J.V. Lerner and R.M. Lerner (Eds). <em>Temperament and social interaction in infancy and children.</em> San Francisco, Jossey-Bass.

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Laney, M.O. (2002).  <em>The introvert advantage: How to thrive in an extrovert world.</em> New York: Workman.

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Markway, B.G., &amp; Markway, G.P. (2005). <em>Nurturing the shy child: Practical help for raising confident ans socially skilled kids and teens.</em> New York: St. Martin’s.

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McCrae, R.R., &amp; Terracciano, A. (2006). National character and personality. <em>Current Directions in Psychological Science 15</em>(4), 156-161.

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Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2009). Differential susceptibility to rearing experience: The case of childcare. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 50</em>(4), 396-404. DOI: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.2008.01992.x

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Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2010). Differential susceptibility to parenting and quality child care.<em> Developmental Psychology 46</em>(2), 379-390. DOI: 10.1037/a0015203

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Similarminds.com (a version of Eysenck’s Personality Inventory). Retrieved from: http://similarminds.com/eysenck.html

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Swallow, W.K. (2000). <em>The shy child: Helping children triumph over shyness.</em> New York: Warner.

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Swann, W.B. &amp; Rentfrow, P.J. (2001). Blirtatiousness: Cognitive, behavioral, and physiological consequences of rapid responding. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 81</em>(6), 1160-1175. DOI: 10.1037//0022-35I4.81.6.1160

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Thomas, A., &amp; Chess, S. (1977). <em>Temperament and development.</em> New York: Brunner/Mazel.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Before we get started today I’d like to take a few minutes to chat with you about the podcast.  Firstly, I’d like to thank you so much for listening to the show.  I’ve been really honored over the last few weeks since I started the show to hear from so many of you about how much the show is helping you in your parenting.  Because at the end of the day, I’m getting a masters degree in Psychology focusing on child development to be a better parent myself, and to help you be better parents as well.  There’s just too much good information out there about how this whole parenting thing works for us to kind of bumble along and not know any better.  And I put myself in the same boat as you here; I’m literally learning this stuff with you as I go.  I don’t always handle things in the best way but when I learn better I do better, and I forgive myself for having done things “the old way.”  I’m growing and becoming a better parent because of what I’m learning with you, and I’m honored that those of you who have left me reviews on iTunes and have written to me and told me how much the show is helping you are finding it useful too.  So I have a four (yes, four!) specific favors to ask of you.  Firstly, if you enjoy this episode, and especially if you’ve enjoyed several episodes, please subscribe to the show so you don’t miss an episode.  Because I’m learning in the same way that you are we often build one episode on top of another.  I regularly refer back to the episode on scaffolding, for example, and if you’ve already listened to that one then you’ll be able to follow right along as I describe how to scaffold behavior in a certain situation in the episode related to tantrums.  You can subscribe on iTunes or if you go to YourParentingMojo.com you get a little freebie for signing up – a list of seven relationship-based  strategies that I use to support my daughter’s development – and also make parenting just a little bit easier on me.  Secondly, while you’re over on iTunes, I’d love it if you would leave a rating and write a review of the show.  It doesn’t have to be super long; just decide how many stars you think it’s worth (five is always a good numberJ) and jot down a couple of lines about what you think about the show.  Shows that have more ratings and reviews appear higher in the iTunes listings, which will encourage more people to listen, which makes me happy.   Thirdly, if you know of other parents who could benefit from learning what we’re learning, please let them know about the show.  Send them a link in an email or put it up on your Facebook or twitter feed (if you’re on twitter you can find me at A kid is for life).  And finally, I really do love hearing from listeners, especially if you have an idea for a topic for the show.  If you do, then please drop me a line at <a href="mailto:jen@yourparentingmojo.com">jen@yourparentingmojo.com</a> and if there’s enough scientific research available on the topic then I’ll do an episode just for you.  Also drop me a line if you have any other feedback for me or would just like to chat.

Alright, on to today’s topic, which is called “how to support your introverted or shy toddler.”  Unlike the episode I did recently on tantrums, which was mainly for you guys since we haven’t struggled with them too much, this episode is very personal to me.  I have a triple whammy of personality characteristics that are socially undesirable (in the U.S. at least) – I’m an introvert, I’m shy, and I’m also a highly sensitive person (and I never even knew the last one was a “thing” until a few weeks ago).

Since my daughter is only two and is in the stage where children tend to play alongside each other rather than *with* each other it can be a bit difficult to tell which personality traits are really hers and which are just a function of her current stage of development.  But I’m starting to see some signs of introversion and shyness, so I wanted to get a handle on the research not so much so I can diagnose her, but more so I know what to watch for and how I can support her, because American culture is very much geared toward the success of extroverts.  Somewhere between a third and half of the population in this country may be introverted so if you have two or three children then chances are one of them is introverted. Listen on to hear more about how introversion and shyness are not the same thing, and what the research says about how we can support our introverted and shy children.

I got the idea for this episode after I read the book “Quiet” by Susan Cain.  I’ve known I’m an introvert for a long time – I took classes in Psychology after finishing high school in England and we took Eysenck’s personality inventory – there’s a link to a free online version you can take yourself in the references for this episode – and I was basically off-the-charts introverted.  So I’d heard of the book “Quiet” when it was published in 2012 but didn’t pay it much attention because I figured I didn’t need to be diagnosed – I already knew I was introverted.  But someone recommended it to me as an example of a book that makes scientific research very accessible to a non-scientific audience, so I read it from that perspective – and I ended up learning a lot about myself in the process.

The first point that I want to make is a very important one, and that is that introversion and shyness are not the same thing.  Because it is so important and kind of non-intuitive, I’m going to say it again – introversion and shyness are not the same thing.  The basic meaning of an introvert is that it’s a person who gets their energy from being in environments that provide low levels of stimulation, which often means being alone rather than being with other people, whereas extroverts find being in environments with high levels of stimulation, like when there are a lot of other people around, very energizing.  Introverts might have good social skills and can participate in parties and events but after a while they wish they were at home tucked up on the sofa with a cup of tea and a good book.  Susan Cain lists characteristics of introverts in the book.  Some of these are that they prefer to devote their social energies to close friends, colleagues, and family.  They listen more than they talk, think before they speak, and...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Do you think your child may be <span class="il">introverted</span>?  Or are you not sure how to tell?  Around one in three people are <span class="il">introverted</span> so if you have two or three children, chances are one of them is <span class="il">introverted</span>.  While Western – and particularly American – society tends to favor extroverts, being an <span class="il">introvert </span>isn’t something we can – or should – cure.  It’s a personality trait, not a flaw.

Join me as we walk through a topic near and dear to my heart, and learn the difference between <span class="il">introversion</span> and shyness, and how to support your <span class="il">introverted</span> child – no matter whether you yourself are <span class="il">introverted</span> or extroverted.

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<strong>References</strong>

Aron, E.N. (1996). Are you highly sensitive? Retrieved from: http://hsperson.com/test/highly-sensitive-test/

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Belsky, J., Jonassaint, C., Pluess, M., Stanton, M., Brummett, B., &amp; Williams, R. (2009). Vulnerability genes or plasticity genes? <em>Molecular Psychiatry 14</em>, 746-754. DOI: 10.1038/mp.2009.44

<hr />

Cain, S. (2013). <em>Quiet: The power of introverts in a world that can’t stop talking. </em>New York: Broadway.

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Dobbs, D. (2009). <em>The science of success.</em> The Atlantic. Retrieved from: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/12/the-science-of-success/307761/

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Kagan, J., &amp; Snidman, N. (2004).<em> The long shadow of temperament. </em>Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press

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Keogh, B.K. (1986). Temperament and schooling: Meaning of “Goodness of Fit”? In J.V. Lerner and R.M. Lerner (Eds). <em>Temperament and social interaction in infancy and children.</em> San Francisco, Jossey-Bass.

<hr />

Laney, M.O. (2002).  <em>The introvert advantage: How to thrive in an extrovert world.</em> New York: Workman.

<hr />

Markway, B.G., &amp; Markway, G.P. (2005). <em>Nurturing the shy child: Practical help for raising confident ans socially skilled kids and teens.</em> New York: St. Martin’s.

<hr />

McCrae, R.R., &amp; Terracciano, A. (2006). National character and personality. <em>Current Directions in Psychological Science 15</em>(4), 156-161.

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2009). Differential susceptibility to rearing experience: The case of childcare. <em>Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 50</em>(4), 396-404. DOI: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.2008.01992.x

<hr />

Pluess, M., &amp; Belsky, J. (2010). Differential susceptibility to parenting and quality child care.<em> Developmental Psychology 46</em>(2), 379-390. DOI: 10.1037/a0015203

<hr />

Similarminds.com (a version of Eysenck’s Personality Inventory). Retrieved from: http://similarminds.com/eysenck.html

<hr />

Swallow, W.K. (2000). <em>The shy child: Helping children triumph over shyness.</em> New York: Warner.

<hr />

Swann, W.B. &amp; Rentfrow, P.J. (2001). Blirtatiousness: Cognitive, behavioral, and physiological consequences of rapid responding. <em>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 81</em>(6), 1160-1175. DOI: 10.1037//0022-35I4.81.6.1160

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Thomas, A., &amp; Chess, S. (1977). <em>Temperament and development.</em> New York: Brunner/Mazel.

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast.  Before we get started today I’d like to take a few minutes to chat with you about the podcast.  Firstly, I’d like to thank you so much for listening to the show.  I’ve been really honored over the last few weeks since I started the show to hear from so many of you about how much the show is helping you in your parenting.  Because at the end of the day, I’m getting a masters degree in Psychology focusing on child development to be a better parent myself, and to help you be better parents as well.  There’s just too much good information out there about how this whole parenting thing works for us to kind of bumble along and not know any better.  And I put myself in the same boat as you here; I’m literally learning this stuff with you as I go.  I don’t always handle things in the best way but when I learn better I do better, and I forgive myself for having done things “the old way.”  I’m growing and becoming a better parent because of what I’m learning with you, and I’m honored that those of you who have left me reviews on iTunes and have written to me and told me how much the show is helping you are finding it useful too.  So I have a four (yes, four!) specific favors to ask of you.  Firstly, if you enjoy this episode, and especially if you’ve enjoyed several episodes, please subscribe to the show so you don’t miss an episode.  Because I’m learning in the same way that you are we often build one episode on top of another.  I regularly refer back to the episode on scaffolding, for example, and if you’ve already listened to that one then you’ll be able to follow right along as I describe how to scaffold behavior in a certain situation in the episode related to tantrums.  You can subscribe on iTunes or if you go to YourParentingMojo.com you get a little freebie for signing up – a list of seven relationship-based  strategies that I use to support my daughter’s development – and also make parenting just a little bit easier on me.  Secondly, while you’re over on iTunes, I’d love it if you would leave a rating and write a review of the show.  It doesn’t have to be super long; just decide how many stars you think it’s worth (five is always a good numberJ) and jot down a couple of lines about what you think about the show.  Shows that have more ratings and reviews appear higher in the iTunes listings, which will encourage more people to listen, which makes me happy.   Thirdly, if you know of other parents who could benefit from learning what we’re learning, please let them know about the show.  Send them a link in an email or put it up on your Facebook or twitter feed (if you’re on twitter you can find me at A kid is for life).  And finally, I really do love hearing from listeners, especially if you have an idea for a topic for the show.  If you do, then please drop me a line at <a href="mailto:jen@yourparentingmojo.com">jen@yourparentingmojo.com</a> and if there’s enough scientific research available on the topic then I’ll do an episode just for you.  Also drop me a line if you have any other feedback for me or would just like to chat.

Alright, on to today’s topic, which is called “how to support your introverted or shy toddler.”  Unlike the episode I did recently on tantrums, which was mainly for you guys since we haven’t struggled with them too much, this episode is very personal to me.  I have a triple whammy of personality characteristics that are socially undesirable (in the U.S. at least) – I’m an introvert, I’m shy, and I’m also a highly sensitive person (and I never even knew the last one was a “thing” until a few weeks ago).

Since my daughter is only two and is in the stage where children tend to play alongside each other rather than *with* each other it can be a bit difficult to tell which personality traits are really hers and which are just a function of her current stage of development.  But I’m starting to see some signs of introversion and shyness, so I wanted to get a handle on the research not so much so I can diagnose her, but more so I know what to watch for and how I can support her, because American culture is very much geared toward the success of extroverts.  Somewhere between a third and half of the population in this country may be introverted so if you have two or three children then chances are one of them is introverted. Listen on to hear more about how introversion and shyness are not the same thing, and what the research says about how we can support our introverted and shy children.

I got the idea for this episode after I read the book “Quiet” by Susan Cain.  I’ve known I’m an introvert for a long time – I took classes in Psychology after finishing high school in England and we took Eysenck’s personality inventory – there’s a link to a free online version you can take yourself in the references for this episode – and I was basically off-the-charts introverted.  So I’d heard of the book “Quiet” when it was published in 2012 but didn’t pay it much attention because I figured I didn’t need to be diagnosed – I already knew I was introverted.  But someone recommended it to me as an example of a book that makes scientific research very accessible to a non-scientific audience, so I read it from that perspective – and I ended up learning a lot about myself in the process.

The first point that I want to make is a very important one, and that is that introversion and shyness are not the same thing.  Because it is so important and kind of non-intuitive, I’m going to say it again – introversion and shyness are not the same thing.  The basic meaning of an introvert is that it’s a person who gets their energy from being in environments that provide low levels of stimulation, which often means being alone rather than being with other people, whereas extroverts find being in environments with high levels of stimulation, like when there are a lot of other people around, very energizing.  Introverts might have good social skills and can participate in parties and events but after a while they wish they were at home tucked up on the sofa with a cup of tea and a good book.  Susan Cain lists characteristics of introverts in the book.  Some of these are that they prefer to devote their social energies to close friends, colleagues, and family.  They listen more than they talk, think before they speak, and often feel as if they express themselves better in writing than in conversation.  They tend to dislike conflict.  Many have a horror of small talk but enjoy deep discussions.  The part of this that caught my attention was that I hadn’t realized my introversion affected parts of how I deal with the world that aren’t directly related to going to parties.  While I often have five or six books on the go at once (virtually all of them child development books these days!), I do prefer to dig deeply into one.  And I work in consulting, where it’s common for someone to call a meeting and show you some powerpoint slides and get you to react to it immediately, whereas I would really prefer them to send the deck in advance so I can take notes and have some time to process before I give my thoughts.

So what’s the difference between introversion and shyness?  The book “Quiet” says that while introversion is a preference for environments that aren’t overstimulating, shyness is a fear of social disapproval or humiliation.  Shyness is inherently painful, while introversion is not.  A lot of people get them confused because they overlap to some extent; I’d always thought that my shyness <em>is part of</em> my introversion.  But it’s possible to be a shy extrovert (like Barbara Streisand who has a massive stage presence and apparently awful stage fright), or a non-shy introvert (like Bill Gates, who prefers his own company but isn’t afraid of the disapproval or humiliation of others that is the hallmark of shyness).  And a key point is that while shyness and introversion are very different to the person experiencing them, to the outside world they look much the same.  A shy person may be afraid to talk to other people at a party while an introvert may just be overstimulated – but the other people at the party can’t tell which it is, and all they see is someone who isn’t interested in talking, and thus must not be very interesting themselves either.  Or maybe they’re just stuck up.  Or both.  What makes shyness “painful” and problematic is that it can get in the way of achieving things that we want to do.  I might wish I could go to a networking event to advance my career, but maybe I’m too afraid of what people there would think about me.  In that case, my shyness is getting in the way of something I want to achieve, especially if I’m looking for a new job.

I was actually surprised that there is a decent amount of research available on introversion and shyness, and quite a bit of it is longitudinal which is even more surprising – it’s pretty unusual for researchers to follow children for any length of time because it makes a study so expensive.  It seems as though most of the research on both introversion and shyness in children eventually comes back to the work of two doctors named Alexander Thomas and Stella Chess, who worked out of the New York University Medical Center from the 1950s through the 1970s.  Their study is considered to be a classic assessment of the idea of temperament, which underlies many other personality traits like introversion and shyness.  We have to take their results with a bit of a grain of salt because while 141 children is quite a lot for one study it isn’t much compared to the population of children in the world, or a country, or even New York – and these children were drawn from 85 families, 78% of which were Jewish, the rest Protestant or Catholic, with 60% of the fathers and 40% of the mothers having both college and postgraduate degrees.  The researchers don’t say *why* their population was so homogenous but they did attempt to validate the findings using a sample of 85 low-income children in Puerto Rico some years later.  Thomas and Chess identified nine dimensions of temperament which they grouped into three major categories.  “Easy” children were characterized by having regular bodily functions like sleeping and bowel movements; they were adaptable, usually in a positive mood, and would approach rather than withdraw in a new situation.   The “difficult” child was described as having irregular bodily functions, not very adaptable, withdrawing rather than approaching in new situations, intense, and often irritable or fussy.  The third category was the “slow to warm up” child who seemed much like an easy child except that he would initially withdraw in response to a new situation and would be slow to adapt but would come around eventually.  About 35% of the children in the study didn’t fit into one of these patterns.  Of the remaining 65%, 40% were classified as “easy,” 10% were “difficult,” and 15% were “slow to warm up.”

The famous psychologist Jerome Kagan moves the research one step further by doing some tests on 500 White infants (although he doesn’t say what religion they were) at age 4 months, 2 years, 4 years, 7 years, and 11 years of age, with the sample size dropping to 237 children by the time they were 11 years old.  The central thesis of the study was that in the test at four months, children who kicked their arms and legs around or cried when they were presented with unusual things to look at, hear, and smell did this because they had inherited a trait that made a certain part of their brains very excitable.  About 20% of the children did pump their arms and legs and cried, and these children were called “high-reactive.”  40% of the children showed the opposite pattern- minimal arm and leg movements and no crying – these were called “low-reactive.”  25% didn’t move around but did cry a lot and were called “distressed.”  10% moved around a lot but didn’t cry; these children were called “aroused.”  And the remaining 5% of children were difficult to classify.  The theory goes that children whose brains quickly become highly stimulated (which is indicated when they move around and cry) will seek out situations where they don’t get too much stimulation – in other words, they will become introverts.  And the children whose brains need more stimulation before they get to an optimal level of arousal become extroverts, because they need more stimulation, both social and non-social, to get to that optimal level.  Now I should note that Jerome Kagan is interested in the biological basis of temperament, and even he acknowledges that your genetic predisposition to prefer or avoid stimuli is not your destiny.  About 33% of the high and low-reactive children displayed the pattern of behavior they were “supposed to” as predicted by their infant temperament when they were interviewed at age 11, while 16% behaved in ways that were inconsistent with expectations – a ratio of 2-1, but much less than 100%.  The researchers noticed that the infants who had been high-reactive were mostly serious and didn’t smile at every one of the assessments from 4 months to 11 years.  More low reactives smiled and laughed  frequently at every age.  Many low-reactives, but few high-reactives, smiled and laughed within the first minute of entering the lab at 11 years of age, and smiling at 11 years was predicted by smiling at two years.  So if not all of the high-reactive children become introverts, what’s going on?  It’s called the moderating effect of the environment, and a lot of that is the moderating effect of parents.

So how do these parents support introverted and shy children?  Regarding introversion, it’s really a matter of setting up your child’s life so he gets the amount of stimulation – both social and otherwise – that he needs.  There’s evidence that many introverts are also highly sensitive people – people who notice and perceive things more strongly than others do.  There are quizzes you can do to test this in yourself and your child as well – there’s a link to one in the references.  I had no idea I was a highly sensitive person until just a few weeks ago when my husband handed me one of those checklist articles from Buzzfeed or somewhere similar that described the characteristics.  I usually hate those things so I tried to make him take his phone back but he insisted I read it, and I was shocked to find that it basically described me.  I cut the tags out of my clothes because I can’t stand them itching me.  I always want him to turn the TV down.  I regularly notice continuity errors in films.  I notice manners.  I’m sensitive to criticism.  Now not all introverts are also highly sensitive, but when we talk about supporting an introvert we should also consider the possibility that she experiences things more acutely than you might as a parent, and thus if you think you’ve ratcheted down the stimulation enough then consider the possibility that it’s still too much for her.

I think my two year-old may be an introvert because a lot of the time she seems to prefer staying home to going out or doing other activities.  Sometimes when we have music on she asks me to turn it down because she thinks it’s too loud, even though I don’t think it’s that loud (and I’m highly sensitive!).  So when I put music on I make sure not to put it on too loud.  And we don’t keep a busy schedule here – she does go to daycare while I’m at work, but on the weekends we do a lot of relaxing around the house.  We don’t rush from one class to the next; a busy day for us would be to go to another child’s birthday party *and* go grocery shopping on the same day.  I get my need for alone time in the weeks I work from home, while my husband gets his need for socialization by going to the office most days.  I do wonder whether my daughter is getting her need for alone time met during her time at daycare; the school does have a quiet nook where a child could pull curtains around himself and be alone for a bit but I’m guessing that the structure of the school day means that most of the time the children are engaged in some activity.  It’s something I plan to discuss with her teachers.

I have to say that while the majority of the book “Quiet” was exhaustively referenced, the chapter on how to support an introverted child was]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/introversion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1400</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2016 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a187cf90-bdd3-4b01-b8cf-0f4d93220278/introversion.mp3" length="18906290" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Do you think your child may be introverted?  Or are you not sure how to tell?  Around one in three people are introverted so if you have two or three children, chances are one of them is introverted.  While Western - and particularly American - society tends to favor extroverts, being an introvert isn&apos;t something we can - or should - cure.  It&apos;s a personality trait, not a flaw.

Join me as we walk through a topic near and dear to my heart, and learn the difference between introversion and shyness, and how to support your introverted child - no matter whether you yourself are introverted or extroverted.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>014: Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</title><itunes:title>014: Understanding the AAP’s new screen time guidelines</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[The American Academy of Pediatrics just updated its screen time recommendations – and, for the first time, we can actually see and understand the research on which the recommendations are based. They’re a bit more nuanced than the previous versions, so join me as we walk through what the recommendations mean for parents of babies and toddlers – whether or not your children have been using screens until now. We’ll look at the impact particularly of TV on cognitive development, obesity, and prosocial vs. antisocial behavior.

News flash: if you’re not watching and discussing shows WITH your child, he may be learning antisocial behavior from even the most innocuous of PBS programming.

This is the first in a two-part series on screen time. Here we focus on what science says about the impacts on development. In the second part we’ll examine what we can do about mitigating these impacts and on harnessing some of the good that digital media can do for our kids, since they are growing up in a world where the use of digital media is a fact of life.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Alade, F., Rasmussen, E., &amp; Christy, K. (2014). The relation between television exposure and executive function among preschoolers. <em>Developmental Psychology 50</em>(5), 1497-1506. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259845495_The_Relation_Between_Television_Exposure_and_Executive_Function_Among_Preschoolers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259845495_The_Relation_Between_Television_Exposure_and_Executive_Function_Among_Preschoolers</a>

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American Academy of Pediatrics (n.d.) Media and Children. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx?rf=32524&amp;nfstatus=401&amp;nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&amp;nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx?rf=32524&amp;nfstatus=401&amp;nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&amp;nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token</a>

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Barr, R. (2013). Memory constraints on infant learning from picture books, television, and touchscreens. <em>Child Development Perspectives 7</em>(4), 205-210. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259074650_Memory_Constraints_on_Infant_Learning_From_Picture_Books_Television_and_Touchscreens" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259074650_Memory_Constraints_on_Infant_Learning_From_Picture_Books_Television_and_Touchscreens</a>

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Beales III, J.H., &amp; Kulick, R. (2013). Does advertising on television cause childhood obesity? <em>Journal of Public Policy &amp; Marketing 32</em>(2), 185-194.

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Blankson, A.N., O’Brien, M., Leerkes, E.M., Calkins, S.D., &amp; Marcovitch, S. (2015). Do hours spent viewing television at ages 3 and 4 predict vocabulary and executive functioning at age 5? <em>Merrill-Palmer Quarterly 61</em>(2), 264-289.

<hr />

Bronson, P. &amp; Merryman, A. (2009). <em>Nurtureshock.</em> New York: Twelve.

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Christakis, D.A., Gilkerson, J., Richards, J.A., Zimmerman, F.J., Garrison, M.M., Xu, D., Gray, S., &amp; Yapanel, U. (2009). Audible television and decreased adult words, infant vocalizations, and conversational turns. <em>Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine Journal 163</em>(6), 554-559. Full article available at: <a href="https://sites.oxy.edu/clint/physio/article/AudibleTelevisionandDecreasedAdultWordsInfantVocalizationsandConversationalTurns.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://sites.oxy.edu/clint/physio/article/AudibleTelevisionandDecreasedAdultWordsInfantVocalizationsandConversationalTurns.pdf</a>

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Gentile, D.A., Coyne, S., &amp; Walsh, D.A. (2010). Media violence, physical aggression, and relational aggression in school age children: A short-term longitudinal study. <em>Aggressive Behavior 37</em>, 193-206. DOI: 10.1002/ab.20380

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Halford, J.C.G., Gillespie, J., Brown, V., Pontin, E.E., &amp; Dovey, T.M. (2003). Effect of television advertisements for foods on food consumption in children. <em>Appetite 42</em>, 221-225. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2003.11.006

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Halford, J.C.G., Boyland, E.J., Hughes, G., Oliveira, L.P., &amp; Dovey, T.M. (2007). Beyond-brand effect of television (TV) food advertisements/commercials on caloric intake and food choice of 5-7-year-old children.<em> Appetite 49</em>, 263-267. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2006.12.003

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Healthychildren.org (n.d.). <em>Family media plan.</em> Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.healthychildren.org/English/media/Pages/default.aspx#home" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.healthychildren.org/English/media/Pages/default.aspx#home</a>

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Janz, K.F., Levy, S.M., Burns, T.L., Torner, J.C., Willing, M.C., &amp; Warren, J.J. (2002). Fatness, physical activity, and television viewing in children during the adiposity rebound period: The Iowa bone development study. <em>Preventive Medicine 35</em>, 563-571. DOI: 10.1006/pmed.2002.1113

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Kim, M. (2016, October 25). American Academy of Pediatrics says some screen time is OK for kids under two. Replay available at: <a href="https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2016/10/24/american-academy-of-pediatrics-says-some-screen-time-is-ok-for-kids-under-2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2016/10/24/american-academy-of-pediatrics-says-some-screen-time-is-ok-for-kids-under-2/</a>

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Mares, M. -L., &amp; Acosta, E. E. (2008). Be kind to the three-legged dogs: Children’s literal interpretations of TV’s moral lessons. <em>Media Psychology 11</em>, 377–399, DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/15213260802204355" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1080/15213260802204355</a>

<hr />

McClure, E.R., Chentsova-Dutton, Y.E., Barr, R.F., Holochwost, S.J., &amp; Parrott, W.G. (2015). “Facetime doesn’t count”: Video chat as an exception to media restrictions for infants and toddlers. <em>International Journal of Child-Computer Interaction 6</em>, 1-6. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijcci.2016.02.002" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1016/j.ijcci.2016.02.002</a>

<hr />

McKean, C., Mensah, F.K., Eadie, P., Bavin, E.L., Bretherton, L., Cini, E., &amp; Reilly, S. (2015). Levers for language growth: Characteristics and predictors of language trajectories between 4 and 7 years. <em>PLoS ONE 10</em>(8), 1-21. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0134251

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Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Crick, N.R. (2006). Media exposure, aggression, and prosocial behavior during early childhood: A longitudinal study. <em>Review of Social Development 15</em>(4), 612-627. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222094715_Media_Exposure_Aggression_and_Prosocial_Behavior_During_Early_Childhood_A_Longitudinal_Study" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222094715_Media_Exposure_Aggression_and_Prosocial_Behavior_During_Early_Childhood_A_Longitudinal_Study</a>

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Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Mullins, A.D. (2013). Evaluating the effect of educational media exposure on aggression in early childhood. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 34</em>, 38-44. DOI: 10.1016/j.appdev.2012.09.005

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PBS Parents (n.d.). TV and kids under age 3. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/parents/childrenandmedia/article-faq.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.pbs.org/parents/childrenandmedia/article-faq.html</a>

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Reddy, S. (2015, October 12). Pediatricians rethink screen time policy for children. Wall Street Journal. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/pediatricians-rethink-screen-time-policy-for-children-1444671636" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.wsj.com/articles/pediatricians-rethink-screen-time-policy-for-children-1444671636</a>

<hr />

Viner, R.M., &amp; Cole, T.J. (2005). Television viewing in early childhood predicts adult body mass index.<em> The Journal of Pediatrics 147</em>(4), 429-435. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jpeds.2005.05.005" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1016/j.jpeds.2005.05.005</a>

<hr />

Wen, L.M., Baur, L.A., Rissel, C., Xu, H., &amp; Simpson, J.M. (2014). Correlates of body mass index and overweight and obesity of children aged 2 years: Findings from the healthy beginning trial.<em> Obesity 22</em>(7), 1723-1730. DOI: 10.1002/oby.20700

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<strong>Transcript</strong>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode is called “really, how bad is screen time for my over two year old?”.

So this episode had some remarkably fortuitous timing – I was actually half way through writing it when the American Academy of Pediatrics updated its guidelines on screen time for children. Cue the scramble to update my research – I was just grateful I hadn’t already recorded and released an episode that became instantly out of date! The old guidelines said that “Television and other entertainment media should be avoided for children under age 2.” In my mind that was a bit of an anemically worded recommendation given that it follows a paragraph stating that “Studies have shown that excessive media use can lead to attention problems, school difficulties, sleep and eating disorders, and obesity. In addition, the internet and cell phones can provide platforms for illicit and risky behaviors.” When I looked around I found that the AAP’s policy had been much more restrictive until just May of last year – it used...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[The American Academy of Pediatrics just updated its screen time recommendations – and, for the first time, we can actually see and understand the research on which the recommendations are based. They’re a bit more nuanced than the previous versions, so join me as we walk through what the recommendations mean for parents of babies and toddlers – whether or not your children have been using screens until now. We’ll look at the impact particularly of TV on cognitive development, obesity, and prosocial vs. antisocial behavior.

News flash: if you’re not watching and discussing shows WITH your child, he may be learning antisocial behavior from even the most innocuous of PBS programming.

This is the first in a two-part series on screen time. Here we focus on what science says about the impacts on development. In the second part we’ll examine what we can do about mitigating these impacts and on harnessing some of the good that digital media can do for our kids, since they are growing up in a world where the use of digital media is a fact of life.

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Alade, F., Rasmussen, E., &amp; Christy, K. (2014). The relation between television exposure and executive function among preschoolers. <em>Developmental Psychology 50</em>(5), 1497-1506. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259845495_The_Relation_Between_Television_Exposure_and_Executive_Function_Among_Preschoolers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259845495_The_Relation_Between_Television_Exposure_and_Executive_Function_Among_Preschoolers</a>

<hr />

American Academy of Pediatrics (n.d.) Media and Children. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx?rf=32524&amp;nfstatus=401&amp;nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&amp;nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx?rf=32524&amp;nfstatus=401&amp;nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&amp;nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token</a>

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Barr, R. (2013). Memory constraints on infant learning from picture books, television, and touchscreens. <em>Child Development Perspectives 7</em>(4), 205-210. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259074650_Memory_Constraints_on_Infant_Learning_From_Picture_Books_Television_and_Touchscreens" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259074650_Memory_Constraints_on_Infant_Learning_From_Picture_Books_Television_and_Touchscreens</a>

<hr />

Beales III, J.H., &amp; Kulick, R. (2013). Does advertising on television cause childhood obesity? <em>Journal of Public Policy &amp; Marketing 32</em>(2), 185-194.

<hr />

Blankson, A.N., O’Brien, M., Leerkes, E.M., Calkins, S.D., &amp; Marcovitch, S. (2015). Do hours spent viewing television at ages 3 and 4 predict vocabulary and executive functioning at age 5? <em>Merrill-Palmer Quarterly 61</em>(2), 264-289.

<hr />

Bronson, P. &amp; Merryman, A. (2009). <em>Nurtureshock.</em> New York: Twelve.

<hr />

Christakis, D.A., Gilkerson, J., Richards, J.A., Zimmerman, F.J., Garrison, M.M., Xu, D., Gray, S., &amp; Yapanel, U. (2009). Audible television and decreased adult words, infant vocalizations, and conversational turns. <em>Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine Journal 163</em>(6), 554-559. Full article available at: <a href="https://sites.oxy.edu/clint/physio/article/AudibleTelevisionandDecreasedAdultWordsInfantVocalizationsandConversationalTurns.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://sites.oxy.edu/clint/physio/article/AudibleTelevisionandDecreasedAdultWordsInfantVocalizationsandConversationalTurns.pdf</a>

<hr />

Gentile, D.A., Coyne, S., &amp; Walsh, D.A. (2010). Media violence, physical aggression, and relational aggression in school age children: A short-term longitudinal study. <em>Aggressive Behavior 37</em>, 193-206. DOI: 10.1002/ab.20380

<hr />

Halford, J.C.G., Gillespie, J., Brown, V., Pontin, E.E., &amp; Dovey, T.M. (2003). Effect of television advertisements for foods on food consumption in children. <em>Appetite 42</em>, 221-225. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2003.11.006

<hr />

Halford, J.C.G., Boyland, E.J., Hughes, G., Oliveira, L.P., &amp; Dovey, T.M. (2007). Beyond-brand effect of television (TV) food advertisements/commercials on caloric intake and food choice of 5-7-year-old children.<em> Appetite 49</em>, 263-267. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2006.12.003

<hr />

Healthychildren.org (n.d.). <em>Family media plan.</em> Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.healthychildren.org/English/media/Pages/default.aspx#home" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.healthychildren.org/English/media/Pages/default.aspx#home</a>

<hr />

Janz, K.F., Levy, S.M., Burns, T.L., Torner, J.C., Willing, M.C., &amp; Warren, J.J. (2002). Fatness, physical activity, and television viewing in children during the adiposity rebound period: The Iowa bone development study. <em>Preventive Medicine 35</em>, 563-571. DOI: 10.1006/pmed.2002.1113

<hr />

Kim, M. (2016, October 25). American Academy of Pediatrics says some screen time is OK for kids under two. Replay available at: <a href="https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2016/10/24/american-academy-of-pediatrics-says-some-screen-time-is-ok-for-kids-under-2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2016/10/24/american-academy-of-pediatrics-says-some-screen-time-is-ok-for-kids-under-2/</a>

<hr />

Mares, M. -L., &amp; Acosta, E. E. (2008). Be kind to the three-legged dogs: Children’s literal interpretations of TV’s moral lessons. <em>Media Psychology 11</em>, 377–399, DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/15213260802204355" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1080/15213260802204355</a>

<hr />

McClure, E.R., Chentsova-Dutton, Y.E., Barr, R.F., Holochwost, S.J., &amp; Parrott, W.G. (2015). “Facetime doesn’t count”: Video chat as an exception to media restrictions for infants and toddlers. <em>International Journal of Child-Computer Interaction 6</em>, 1-6. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijcci.2016.02.002" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1016/j.ijcci.2016.02.002</a>

<hr />

McKean, C., Mensah, F.K., Eadie, P., Bavin, E.L., Bretherton, L., Cini, E., &amp; Reilly, S. (2015). Levers for language growth: Characteristics and predictors of language trajectories between 4 and 7 years. <em>PLoS ONE 10</em>(8), 1-21. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0134251

<hr />

Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Crick, N.R. (2006). Media exposure, aggression, and prosocial behavior during early childhood: A longitudinal study. <em>Review of Social Development 15</em>(4), 612-627. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222094715_Media_Exposure_Aggression_and_Prosocial_Behavior_During_Early_Childhood_A_Longitudinal_Study" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222094715_Media_Exposure_Aggression_and_Prosocial_Behavior_During_Early_Childhood_A_Longitudinal_Study</a>

<hr />

Ostrov, J.M., Gentile, D.A., &amp; Mullins, A.D. (2013). Evaluating the effect of educational media exposure on aggression in early childhood. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 34</em>, 38-44. DOI: 10.1016/j.appdev.2012.09.005

<hr />

PBS Parents (n.d.). TV and kids under age 3. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/parents/childrenandmedia/article-faq.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.pbs.org/parents/childrenandmedia/article-faq.html</a>

<hr />

Reddy, S. (2015, October 12). Pediatricians rethink screen time policy for children. Wall Street Journal. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/pediatricians-rethink-screen-time-policy-for-children-1444671636" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.wsj.com/articles/pediatricians-rethink-screen-time-policy-for-children-1444671636</a>

<hr />

Viner, R.M., &amp; Cole, T.J. (2005). Television viewing in early childhood predicts adult body mass index.<em> The Journal of Pediatrics 147</em>(4), 429-435. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jpeds.2005.05.005" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.1016/j.jpeds.2005.05.005</a>

<hr />

Wen, L.M., Baur, L.A., Rissel, C., Xu, H., &amp; Simpson, J.M. (2014). Correlates of body mass index and overweight and obesity of children aged 2 years: Findings from the healthy beginning trial.<em> Obesity 22</em>(7), 1723-1730. DOI: 10.1002/oby.20700

&nbsp;

<a href="#" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Read Full Transcript</a>

<strong>Transcript</strong>

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode is called “really, how bad is screen time for my over two year old?”.

So this episode had some remarkably fortuitous timing – I was actually half way through writing it when the American Academy of Pediatrics updated its guidelines on screen time for children. Cue the scramble to update my research – I was just grateful I hadn’t already recorded and released an episode that became instantly out of date! The old guidelines said that “Television and other entertainment media should be avoided for children under age 2.” In my mind that was a bit of an anemically worded recommendation given that it follows a paragraph stating that “Studies have shown that excessive media use can lead to attention problems, school difficulties, sleep and eating disorders, and obesity. In addition, the internet and cell phones can provide platforms for illicit and risky behaviors.” When I looked around I found that the AAP’s policy had been much more restrictive until just May of last year – it used to recommend that parents avoid screen time completely for children under the age of 2, and to limit screen time to no more than two hours a day for children older than two.

But apparently the AAP realized that 38% of children under age 2 had used a mobile device and 74% of children under two have watched TV before the age of 2. 43% of children under the age of 2 watch TV every day and 18% watch videos or DVDs every day, so clearly parents mostly weren’t following the guidelines, which I’m guessing is what prompted the new guidelines that seem to try to walk a narrow line of recommending less rather than more screen time, but also acknowledging that parents do let their children use these devices in spite of the AAP’s recommendations.

So what do the updated guidelines say? They’re considerably more nuanced than the old ones, which had previously been explained in just a few short paragraphs, and it’s also a bit harder to figure out exactly what the recommendations are because they’re buried below a bunch of preamble BUT I was excited to find that the preamble is fantastically well-referenced, rather than just consisting of a few statements that seemed to appear out of thin air with no basis in any research, which is what the old version seemed like. So here’s the really important stuff: For children younger than 18 months, discourage use of screen media other than video chatting. The scientists who wrote the recommendations cite a study showing that even parents who tended to adhere strictly to the previous “avoid screen time for under twos” statement would permit the use of video chatting, and while there’s no evidence of benefit from video chatting there’s no evidence of harm either, so given that video chatting tends to be a social interaction – which is usually associated with cognitive development – researchers seem to be sort of assuming that video chatting is probably OK. I heard an interview on NPR with one of the lead authors of the guidelines a couple of weeks ago and she said they are designed to be “realistic and broadly applicable,” which seems to account for the use of the word “discourage” when describing screen media use for under 18 month olds – the researchers don’t want to encourage anyone to introduce screens before age 18 months, but they also don’t want to alienate the parents who do decide to do it.

Alright, so for the 18-24 month olds, again, there’s no pressure to introduce screens but if you do use them, the researchers advise using them as a teaching tool and as an activity you do together, not as something you use to help them calm down or something to keep them occupied. The idea behind not using media to calm them down and avoid tantrums is that using media as a calming strategy could lead to problems with limit-setting if children don’t learn to develop their own emotional regulation and always look to devices to help them calm down. The researchers cite the websites Common Sense Media, PBS Kids, and Sesame Workshop as examples of quality programming.

In children older than two years, the recommendations say that parents should limit media to one hour or less per day of high quality programming. The limit addresses the idea that children need other activities in their lives as well, and that screen time can displace these activities if children are on their devices for too long. Again, the ideal is for high-quality children’s programming that you watch together rather than it being a solo activity. Parents may need to help children understand what they’re watching, and help them apply what they learn to the world around them – so if you watch a program on bugs and then you go out and look for bugs, you could talk about what you learned in the program that can help you understand the bugs in real life. Children may not understand the things they see in two-dimensional environments as much as they do if someone explains it to them – the same holds true for books as well as TV, but because a parent is usually reading the book the child gets a chance to ask questions which improves their understanding. Parents should also monitor what children are doing on their devices, test apps before the child uses them, and engage in conversation about the child’s screen time.

Finally, the guidelines talk about when devices *shouldn’t* be used – that includes meal times, times when you’re playing with your child (and that goes for parents too). Screens in bedrooms are not recommended, and children shouldn’t use devices within an hour of bedtime.

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We’ve generally followed a “no TV” policy with our toddler until she was two. She also isn’t allowed to play with our phones – she doesn’t have any apps on them. She does watch videos with her Dad on his phone; usually videos of herself but there’s also one of our friend’s drone that she is strangely attached to. But that’s five or ten minutes a day on weekends. Recently she had an ear infection and had to stay home from school unexpectedly, so I had to stay with her, and I still needed to get work done. I offered to put on the movie Penguins which she was quite interested in for five minutes, but then she got bored and asked me to turn it off, but then she wanted it on again, and then off again…and for several days afterward she campaigned to watch it. It gave me a taste of what we might be getting into if we started to allow her to watch TV, so we backed off it again and haven’t let her watch it since. But I know some parents approach this differently and do allow TV watching so I wanted to try to understand what really are the impacts of TV on children’s physical and cognitive development? Does some kind of switch flip at age 2 where it suddenly becomes “less bad”? And a neighbor of mine asked whether having TV on all the time as ‘background noise’ might be better than just watching a few shows because then children might get desensitized to it and stop paying attention?

There’s a lot to untangle when it comes to the research on TV viewing in children so let’s dive in.

<strong>Cognitive Development</strong>

The impact of TV on children’s development may differ at different points in the lifespan, so there may be a “sensitive period” for the effects of TV viewing on children’s cognitive development. Executive functioning is a term that means a set of related skills involving working memory, cognitive inhibitory control, and attentional focusing and flexibility. Now let’s go through what each of *those* mean. Working memory is the way you hold multiple pieces of information in your mind at once and manipulate this information. Cognitive inhibitory control means suppressing dominant information in favor of not dominant information. Attentional focusing and flexibility refer to the ability to focus and shift attention in response to change. I think about this in terms of an example – maybe you’re watching a complicated movie on TV; the kind with multiple plot lines and you’re trying to figure out what’s going on. Your child wakes up upstairs and starts crying quietly. You need to suppress your thinking about the movie to assess the noises you hear from your child and decide whether it’s the kind of crying that needs your attention or not. In making that shift you demonstrated attentional focusing and flexibility. So both executive functioning, which is all of those concepts taken together, plus vocabulary development, are really important in the preschool years because they’re among the strongest predictors of early academic achievement. One study found that watching child-directed programs at ages 2 and 3 was associated with better word comprehension at age 3, but the very same study found that children who viewed more general education programs at ages 2-5 had lower word comprehension at ages 4-7. The authors of another study suggest that children already have to have a good store of vocabulary to be able to pick up new words from watching TV – in other words, they have to understand what they’re watching, which I suppose is why children’s programming is associated with an increased vocabulary but general educational programming isn’t.

The evidence for or against the impact of TV on executive function development seems to be pretty mixed. One study found that children have a shorter focused attention span when a TV is on in the background, even though they didn’t have more episodes of focused attention with the TV off. Four year olds living in homes with more adult television programming were rated as having lower executive functioning skills by their parents than children who lived in homes with less adult TV watching, but children’s programming didn’t seem to have the same effect. And another set of researchers had children wear a digital recorder on random days for up to 24 months, which recorded the amount of TV they watched, as well as the words they said and the words other people said to them. IT turned out that each hour of TV the children were exposed to, even if it was just background noise, was associated with less talking by the child and also less talking by the parents to the child. There are some days where I might wish my daughter didn’t talk as much and this study shows that TV would be a good way to keep her quieter, but at the end of the day the more she talks and the more I talk with her, the better her language development gets. And, finally, a third study found that a greater cumulative number of hours of watching TV, starting to watch TV at a younger age, and watching media that wasn’t explicitly developed for children are all linked with poor executive functioning in preschoolers, although the study authors noted that they were able to show correlation, not causation – they couldn’t prove that watching TV causes these detrimental effects.

Because it seems as though having a TV on or not having a TV on are not the only factors at play here. It’s also important to...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/screen-time]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1403</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2016 04:25:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d87d9698-04c8-4903-b22c-5d693e0dffa5/screen-time.mp3" length="19777106" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) just updated its screen time recommendations - and, for the first time, we can actually see and understand the research on which the recommendations are based.  They&apos;re a bit more nuanced than the previous versions, so join me as we walk through what the recommendations mean for parents of babies and toddlers - whether or not your children have been using screens until now.  We&apos;ll look at the impact particularly of TV on cognitive development, obesity, and prosocial vs. antisocial behavior.
 
News flash: if you&apos;re not watching and discussing shows WITH your child, he may be learning antisocial behavior from even the most innocuous of PBS programming.
 
This is the first in a two-part series on screen time.  Here we focus on what science says about the impacts on development.  In the second part we&apos;ll examine what we can do about mitigating these impacts and on harnessing some of the good that digital media can do for our kids, since they are growing up in a world where the use of digital media is a fact of life.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>013: Vanessa Merten of the Pregnancy Podcast</title><itunes:title>013: Vanessa Merten of the Pregnancy Podcast</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div></div>
<div>Are you <span class="il">pregnant</span>?  Thinking about getting <span class="il">pregnant</span>?  Do you love Your Parenting Mojo and wish there was a show that could help you to understand how scientific research can help you make decisions about your <span class="il">pregnancy</span>?  Well, there is!</div>
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<div>In this episode we chat with Vanessa Merten, who hosts The <span class="il">Pregnancy</span> <span class="il">Podcast</span>.  She uses scientific research to examine – sometimes controversial – issues from all sides to help you decide what’s best for you.</div>
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<div>And best of all, she goes beyond looking at individual issues to really synthesizing the outcomes of the research in a way that will make your decision-making much more powerful.  Do you know how receiving IV fluids during your delivery could lead to a pediatrician making the judgment that breastfeeding is not going well and you should supplement with formula?</div>
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<div>If you want to understand this as well as the links between all kinds of other issues related to your <span class="il">pregnancy</span>, listen in to this interview with Vanessa and then head on over to The <span class="il">Pregnancy</span> <span class="il">Podcast</span> at <a href="http://pregnancypodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=en&amp;q=http://pregnancypodcast.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1479691428653000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFcFt4jf36MOD3K2hO7BV4dz7mNtA">pregnancypodcast.com</a>.</div>
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Dominguez-Bello, M.G., De Jesus-Laboy, K.M., Shen, N., Cox, L.M., Amir, A., Gonzalez, A., Bokulich, N.A., Song, S.J., Hoashi, M., Rivera-Vina, J.I., Mendez, K., Knight, R., &amp; Clemente, J.C. (2016). Partial restoration of the microbiota of cesarean-born infants via vaginal microbial transfer. <em>Nature Medicine 22</em>(3), 250-253. Full study available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5062956/

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s guest, Vanessa Merten wrote to me after she heard my podcast to telling me about her podcast and as soon as I listened to it, I knew we had to work together. Her show is called The Pregnancy Podcast and let me say right now that this is an altruistic episode for you, dear listeners, because I am not pregnant and not planning to get pregnant either, but when I listened to the pregnancy podcast, I realized that Vanessa is essentially doing the same thing that I’m doing in Your Parenting Mojo, but for the stage before the baby is born and just after, which is to say that she looks at a particular issue and examines it from all sides using scientific research as her guide, so while my listeners are probably here because they already have a child, I realize that many of you may be thinking about having another one. Maybe you didn’t have the time to do much research before your first baby or maybe you didn’t know there was research out there that could guide your choices, or maybe you did the research, but it was several years ago now and you’re not sure how things might’ve changed in the intervening years if so, the pregnancy podcast is for you. Welcome Vanessa. I’m so excited to have you on the show.

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.84">[01:36]</a></u>

Jen, thank you so much for having me. I am really excited to be here.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=101.07">[01:41]</a></u>

Thank you. So tell us a bit about yourself. Why did you start the pregnancy podcast?

Vanessa:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.29">[01:45]</a></u>

Oh, I am a mom to my son Reef who is two; he’s just a few months younger than your daughter and when I was pregnant I felt like there was so much pressure to do what everybody else was doing and it was like, well, if everybody does things this way then this must be the right way to do things and like you, I’m very research minded and I really believe strongly in making informed decisions. So that mentality pretty much ruled my pregnancy and I just dove into as much research as I could find about everything and it really set me out on a different path than I had started from and made me make some different choices and…

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.24">[02:26]</a></u>

Like what, what kind of choice did you make that was different?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.91">[02:28]</a></u>

Well, I ended up doing a natural birth in a birth center which was different than every other person that I knew at the time. And it’s challenging. I think, you know, some parents that do choose to go that route. You have friends telling you, well that’s awesome, but you’re crazy. There’s absolutely no way I would consider that I’m getting an epidural as soon as I walk in the hospital… Which is completely fine. You know, there’s no, no one size fits all for birth.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.901">[03:01]</a></u>

Yeah, I remember when I was doing the tour of one of the hospitals, all the mothers there were new mothers and we’re all, you know, natural birth is we’re going to do. And there was one mother who had had a baby before. He was new to the system and she was like, tell me what paperwork I need to sign to get the epidural as soon as I walk in the door and we’re looking at her like, what do you know that we don’t know?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.29">[03:23]</a></u>

Yeah. So the more. But the more research I did on everything, you know, the more confident that I became in the decisions that I was making, even though they happen to be different than everything that my friends and family around me were doing. But it was hard to find good research and evidence that doesn’t have a bias behind it.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.83">[03:43]</a></u>

So how do you do it?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.061">[03:45]</a></u>

You know, kind of like, like I think you do with your podcast. I just start out with, if I’m doing a topic on inducing labor, you know, I start off with, let’s go to the very basics like what is inducing labor, what are the different methods available and then go back and look at research for different methods and look at what there is showing evidence that yes, this is a possible thing or what are the possible side effects and just really trying to look at all sides of those issues.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.22">[04:18]</a></u>

So in the podcast, how do you decide what topics to focus on? Because for some episodes I know you do a q and a format and you have the little short ones at about five minutes. And then you also have full episodes at about 20 minutes. So how, how do you sort of decide which topic you want to put into which type of episode?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.48">[04:35]</a></u>

The Q and As I kind of added… I have so many listeners email me questions and I love.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=282.01">[04:42]</a></u>

Oh, that’s awesome.

Vanessa:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=282.58">[04:42]</a></u>

I love being able to help them get their questions answered and help them find research on questions that they have, but I can’t do 10 episodes a week. I wish I could, you know, there’s so much content out there, but it takes time and, and like your podcast, every episode I have the full episodes…it’s a master class. It’s very research intensive and, and that just takes time. So if it’s a question that applies to probably the majority of expecting moms and there’s a lot of content out there on it that I...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div></div>
<div>Are you <span class="il">pregnant</span>?  Thinking about getting <span class="il">pregnant</span>?  Do you love Your Parenting Mojo and wish there was a show that could help you to understand how scientific research can help you make decisions about your <span class="il">pregnancy</span>?  Well, there is!</div>
<div></div>
<div>In this episode we chat with Vanessa Merten, who hosts The <span class="il">Pregnancy</span> <span class="il">Podcast</span>.  She uses scientific research to examine – sometimes controversial – issues from all sides to help you decide what’s best for you.</div>
<div></div>
<div>And best of all, she goes beyond looking at individual issues to really synthesizing the outcomes of the research in a way that will make your decision-making much more powerful.  Do you know how receiving IV fluids during your delivery could lead to a pediatrician making the judgment that breastfeeding is not going well and you should supplement with formula?</div>
<div></div>
<div>If you want to understand this as well as the links between all kinds of other issues related to your <span class="il">pregnancy</span>, listen in to this interview with Vanessa and then head on over to The <span class="il">Pregnancy</span> <span class="il">Podcast</span> at <a href="http://pregnancypodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=en&amp;q=http://pregnancypodcast.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1479691428653000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFcFt4jf36MOD3K2hO7BV4dz7mNtA">pregnancypodcast.com</a>.</div>
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<strong>Reference</strong>

Dominguez-Bello, M.G., De Jesus-Laboy, K.M., Shen, N., Cox, L.M., Amir, A., Gonzalez, A., Bokulich, N.A., Song, S.J., Hoashi, M., Rivera-Vina, J.I., Mendez, K., Knight, R., &amp; Clemente, J.C. (2016). Partial restoration of the microbiota of cesarean-born infants via vaginal microbial transfer. <em>Nature Medicine 22</em>(3), 250-253. Full study available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5062956/

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Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s guest, Vanessa Merten wrote to me after she heard my podcast to telling me about her podcast and as soon as I listened to it, I knew we had to work together. Her show is called The Pregnancy Podcast and let me say right now that this is an altruistic episode for you, dear listeners, because I am not pregnant and not planning to get pregnant either, but when I listened to the pregnancy podcast, I realized that Vanessa is essentially doing the same thing that I’m doing in Your Parenting Mojo, but for the stage before the baby is born and just after, which is to say that she looks at a particular issue and examines it from all sides using scientific research as her guide, so while my listeners are probably here because they already have a child, I realize that many of you may be thinking about having another one. Maybe you didn’t have the time to do much research before your first baby or maybe you didn’t know there was research out there that could guide your choices, or maybe you did the research, but it was several years ago now and you’re not sure how things might’ve changed in the intervening years if so, the pregnancy podcast is for you. Welcome Vanessa. I’m so excited to have you on the show.

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.84">[01:36]</a></u>

Jen, thank you so much for having me. I am really excited to be here.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=101.07">[01:41]</a></u>

Thank you. So tell us a bit about yourself. Why did you start the pregnancy podcast?

Vanessa:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.29">[01:45]</a></u>

Oh, I am a mom to my son Reef who is two; he’s just a few months younger than your daughter and when I was pregnant I felt like there was so much pressure to do what everybody else was doing and it was like, well, if everybody does things this way then this must be the right way to do things and like you, I’m very research minded and I really believe strongly in making informed decisions. So that mentality pretty much ruled my pregnancy and I just dove into as much research as I could find about everything and it really set me out on a different path than I had started from and made me make some different choices and…

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.24">[02:26]</a></u>

Like what, what kind of choice did you make that was different?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.91">[02:28]</a></u>

Well, I ended up doing a natural birth in a birth center which was different than every other person that I knew at the time. And it’s challenging. I think, you know, some parents that do choose to go that route. You have friends telling you, well that’s awesome, but you’re crazy. There’s absolutely no way I would consider that I’m getting an epidural as soon as I walk in the hospital… Which is completely fine. You know, there’s no, no one size fits all for birth.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.901">[03:01]</a></u>

Yeah, I remember when I was doing the tour of one of the hospitals, all the mothers there were new mothers and we’re all, you know, natural birth is we’re going to do. And there was one mother who had had a baby before. He was new to the system and she was like, tell me what paperwork I need to sign to get the epidural as soon as I walk in the door and we’re looking at her like, what do you know that we don’t know?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.29">[03:23]</a></u>

Yeah. So the more. But the more research I did on everything, you know, the more confident that I became in the decisions that I was making, even though they happen to be different than everything that my friends and family around me were doing. But it was hard to find good research and evidence that doesn’t have a bias behind it.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.83">[03:43]</a></u>

So how do you do it?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.061">[03:45]</a></u>

You know, kind of like, like I think you do with your podcast. I just start out with, if I’m doing a topic on inducing labor, you know, I start off with, let’s go to the very basics like what is inducing labor, what are the different methods available and then go back and look at research for different methods and look at what there is showing evidence that yes, this is a possible thing or what are the possible side effects and just really trying to look at all sides of those issues.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.22">[04:18]</a></u>

So in the podcast, how do you decide what topics to focus on? Because for some episodes I know you do a q and a format and you have the little short ones at about five minutes. And then you also have full episodes at about 20 minutes. So how, how do you sort of decide which topic you want to put into which type of episode?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.48">[04:35]</a></u>

The Q and As I kind of added… I have so many listeners email me questions and I love.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=282.01">[04:42]</a></u>

Oh, that’s awesome.

Vanessa:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=282.58">[04:42]</a></u>

I love being able to help them get their questions answered and help them find research on questions that they have, but I can’t do 10 episodes a week. I wish I could, you know, there’s so much content out there, but it takes time and, and like your podcast, every episode I have the full episodes…it’s a master class. It’s very research intensive and, and that just takes time. So if it’s a question that applies to probably the majority of expecting moms and there’s a lot of content out there on it that I liked to do a full episode if it’s, you know, a mom has a question about, I have like an abnormality with my placenta and I’m not sure how that’s going to affect my birth. Then if it’s a specific question that maybe won’t apply to everyone, it still gives me an opportunity to answer that question and you know, maybe there’s another mom out there with the same question and that answer can kind of help her out too.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=339.28">[05:39]</a></u>

Right. And you also have the 40 Weeks podcast, right?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.58">[05:42]</a></u>

Yeah, I do. I’m like, I am a little bit of a podcast junkie. The 40 Weeks, there’s just a five minute episode for each week of pregnancy. And it’s just kind of, you know, what’s going on with you, what’s going on with baby and, and then a tip for Dad at the end of that episode.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=361.68">[06:01]</a></u>

Okay. And I should mention to my listeners that if you search The Pregnancy Podcast on iTunes, the 40 weeks prep podcast actually tends to be the first thing to pop up and that is static, is that right? You’ve, you’ve recorded those things and that doesn’t change, whereas you’re adding new episodes to The Pregnancy Podcast, right? Right. Yeah. So, um, so if you, if you search for the pregnancy podcast on itunes and you see that 40 weeks, then by all means go ahead and listen. But if you want to see the stuff that’s updated regularly, you have to just, I think scroll over to the right hand side and you’ll see the pregnancy podcast and it has a similar logo. So that should help you find it. So I think a lot of moms kind of start with the, you know, the typical What to Expect kind of sites and Baby Center because we don’t really know where else to look. Uh, so I’m curious as to what you think about the information that’s posted on those sites and whether you’ve noticed anything being promoted on their sites that maybe goes against some of the scientific research you’ve read?

Vanessa:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=415.58">[06:55]</a></u>

Yeah, I think sites like what to expect when you’re expecting and baby center. They do a good job of providing a lot of information on a lot of topics and, and they explained things in pretty simple terms, which is fine if that’s what you’re looking for, but I don’t think that they do a great job of really painting the complete picture and really diving into the research and evidence behind a lot of things. And I also don’t think they do a great job of really connecting all the pieces. You know, an example of this would be you have, you can read in one section about getting IV fluids during your birth. And that’s something that’s really common and then you know, and another section you’re reading about breastfeeding, well they’re not linking up that there’s a connection between the two and a few get IV fluids during your birth, your baby is going to be retaining some of those fluids, those fluids are going to be lost in the first 24 hours and it’s a possibility that it’s going to look to your care provider, like your baby is losing weight too rapidly and breastfeeding is not going well.

Vanessa:<u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=480.81">[08:00]</a></u>

And then suddenly they’re saying, you know, well maybe we should consider supplementing with formula and mothers just aren’t getting this information. So I think that that, those type of websites, they’re good for, you know, just a skim-the-surface kind of understanding of a lot of things going on with birth. But I don’t think that they do a great job of really connecting the pieces together well and, and giving parents a good idea of how everything pregnancy birth is really so interconnected and how one thing can affect another.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=514.99">[08:34]</a></u>

Yeah. I learned that from your show, that specific piece of information. And, and that would have been very relevant to me. I had a natural birth but had IV fluids and yeah, my daughter lost a lot of weight in the first few days and the lactation consultants were pretty worried and we were struggling with latch as well. So maybe there was a secondary issue there too, but it’s definitely possible that it could have been just that she was losing some of the fluid that she got during the delivery.

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=541.51">[09:01]</a></u>

Yeah. And there’s, there’s been a lot of push to get the medical community to start looking at the 24 hour weight of the baby after birth. And you know, there is research that backs this up, but research, you know, even once it’s done for it to get out, to make changes, especially in the medical community, that does not happen overnight.

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.13">[09:25]</a></u>

I’m, I’m wondering also how often you found the scientific research that you read goes against common wisdom and the people that. The things that people just think are the way it is. What are some findings that have really surprised you?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=578.54">[09:38]</a></u>

The findings that surprised me most are the ones that really go against what we’ve accepted is just part of kind of routine care. So, you know, we have ultrasounds which are amazing. It’s, it’s great technology; we can use ultrasound to diagnose things that we couldn’t decades ago, but it’s become this routine part of prenatal care and you have a lot of expecting moms getting multiple ultrasounds that aren’t necessarily medically indicated, and there’s quite a bit of research and some animal studies showing that there is potential for some negative effects from the ultrasounds. And I think what surprises me most is that, you know, these aren’t being talked about and they’re not challenging our current way of doing things.

Jen:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=627.56">[10:27]</a></u>

No, they’re really not. It’s like, you want to see what’s happening with the baby today? Oh, let’s do an ultrasound.

Vanessa:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.11">[10:32]</a></u>

Yeah. And it’s, you know, having that little sonogram picture, it’s a hallmark part of being pregnant, you know. But, and like I said…

Jen:  <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=641.391">[10:41]</a></u>

I had a lot of my pregnancy, I had a low lying placenta, so every time I went in and they want to take a look at it, see if things had lengthened out. So yeah, I had no idea that there’s such a thing as too many ultrasounds.

Vanessa:   <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=654.511">[10:54]</a></u>

Yeah. And, and like I said, you know, there is certain things where it is, it could be medically necessary if you have a low lying placenta, that’s definitely something that your care provider is going to want to keep an eye on. And you know, ultrasounds can be helpful in that. But you also have, I think a lot of expecting moms that every time they go in it’s, you know, well let’s see the baby, and they’re using it to check things like heartbeat that, that you don’t need an ultrasound to do that, you know, there are some other methods.

Jen: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=683.96">[11:23]</a></u>

Yeah, I read somewhere an interesting piece of advice that was to always ask, you know, what happens if we don’t do this procedure? Do you use that piece of advice?

Vanessa: <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8S0PDi_7tW41CQkQbFPd_joqJx0iaBf8_-ZuMqa6XwHhucD4bO3T9eZFsAMBJXrZ8ewVkvw-rlKnGh5vVV3yXwx_1Ys?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=695.77">[11:35]</a></u>

Do and that, you know, for any intervention, a great question is what happens if we don’t do it, and I think, oh, this is going to escape me at the moment, but um, I do talk about kind of a line of questions like, okay, you know, what are all the outcomes if we do this? And then like you’re saying, what are the possible outcomes if we don’t do this? And then another good question to ask is, well, what if we wait, you know, if you’re talking about an...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/pregnancy-podcast]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1354</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cbd2de63-85de-415f-a512-bcb7293a5b81/vanessa-merten-pregnancy-podcast.mp3" length="15879925" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Are you pregnant?  Thinking about getting pregnant?  Do you love Your Parenting Mojo and wish there was a show that could help you to understand how scientific research can help you make decisions about your pregnancy?  Well, there is!
 
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00:33 Introduction of episode

04:55 3 habits that translate nutrition into behavior

06:11 Nutrition approach vs. habit approach

07:35 Taste preferences are shaped by exposure

08:45 Rotation rule on serving food

15:56 3 categories of issues that J.T had when feeding her son

29:35 Strategies for your child to eat

32:40 Rotation rule is really important

34:27 External reasons for making eating decisions

49:20 Build links to new foods

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Does your child eat any food under the sun...as long as it's cheese? Do you find yourself worrying that you'll never get all the nutrients into her that she needs? Dr. Dina Rose approaches eating from a sociologist's perspective, which is to say that It's Not About The Broccoli (which also happens to be the name of her book), it's about habits and relationships. Join Dr. Rose as she counsels the parent who struggles with her almost four-year-old "highly spirited" son's eating habits. There is hope for getting this child to eat something other than cheese, and Dr. Rose walks us through the steps to make it happen.

Not to be missed even if your child isn't (currently) a picky eater: every worm will turn, as they say, and you may find these strategies helpful to head off any pickiness that starts to emerge in the future. And listen up for Dr. Rose's offer of a free 30 minute coaching session for parents!

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00:33 Introduction of episode

04:55 3 habits that translate nutrition into behavior

06:11 Nutrition approach vs. habit approach

07:35 Taste preferences are shaped by exposure

08:45 Rotation rule on serving food

15:56 3 categories of issues that J.T had when feeding her son

29:35 Strategies for your child to eat

32:40 Rotation rule is really important

34:27 External reasons for making eating decisions

49:20 Build links to new foods

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00:35 Introduction to today’s episode

01:00 The 1<sup>st</sup>, last, and only detailed research about this subject was published in 1931, then the research went quiet until the 1980s. Even since then, there’s only little information about this subject because tantrums can be hard to study at home

01:56 Age bracket of children who have tantrums, and this is the most common childhood behavior according to parents

02:30 Tantrums may occur in other cultures, according to Robert and Sarah LeVine’s recent book Do Parents Matter?

03:12 David Lancy’s book The Anthropology of Childhood cites several studies of other cultures that mention tantrum-like behavior.

04:55 Florence Goodenough wrote a book that was published in 1939, which described tantrums, implying that this is not a new phenomenon

06:30 Children who have older siblings have more frequent outbursts than first-born children

09:29 Goodenough asked parents at the beginning of the study what methods of controlling tantrums

12:15 Negotiation is considered to be a valued ability because it can bring about solutions to problems that come as close as possible to satisfying everyone

13:45 The studies found that maternal use of induction techniques was related to social competence, even across time, during the preschool period

14:58 Wrapping up the discussion

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<strong>References</strong>

Denham, S.A., &amp; Burton, R. (2003). Social and emotional prevention and intervention programming for preschoolers. New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers

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Green, J.A., Whitney, P.G., &amp; Potegal, M. (2011). Screaming, yelling, whining, and crying: Categorical and intensity differences in vocal expressions of anger and sadness in children’s tantrums. <em>Emotion 11</em>(5), 1124-1133. DOI: 10.1037/a0024173

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Goodenough, F. (1931). <em>Anger in young children</em>. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.

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Lancy, D.F. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

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Levine, L.J. (1995). Young children’s understanding of the causes of anger and sadness. Child Development 66(2), 697-709.

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LeVine, R., &amp; LeVine, S. (2016). <em>Do parents matter? Why Japanese babies sleep soundly, Mexican siblings don’t fight, and American families should just relax.</em> New York: Public Affairs.

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Lieberman, M.D., Eisenberger, N.E., Crockett, M.J., Tom, S.M., Pfeifer, J.H., &amp; Way, B.M. (2007). Putting feelings into words: Affect labeling disrupts amygdala activity in response to affective stimuli. <em>Psychological Science 18</em>(5), 421-428.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[So, does your child ever throw tantrums?  Yes?  Well, the good news is that you’re not alone.  And this isn’t something us Western parents have brought upon ourselves with our strange parenting ways; they’re actually fairly common (although not universal) in other cultures as well.

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00:35 Introduction to today’s episode

01:00 The 1<sup>st</sup>, last, and only detailed research about this subject was published in 1931, then the research went quiet until the 1980s. Even since then, there’s only little information about this subject because tantrums can be hard to study at home

01:56 Age bracket of children who have tantrums, and this is the most common childhood behavior according to parents

02:30 Tantrums may occur in other cultures, according to Robert and Sarah LeVine’s recent book Do Parents Matter?

03:12 David Lancy’s book The Anthropology of Childhood cites several studies of other cultures that mention tantrum-like behavior.

04:55 Florence Goodenough wrote a book that was published in 1939, which described tantrums, implying that this is not a new phenomenon

06:30 Children who have older siblings have more frequent outbursts than first-born children

09:29 Goodenough asked parents at the beginning of the study what methods of controlling tantrums

12:15 Negotiation is considered to be a valued ability because it can bring about solutions to problems that come as close as possible to satisfying everyone

13:45 The studies found that maternal use of induction techniques was related to social competence, even across time, during the preschool period

14:58 Wrapping up the discussion

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<strong>References</strong>

Denham, S.A., &amp; Burton, R. (2003). Social and emotional prevention and intervention programming for preschoolers. New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers

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Green, J.A., Whitney, P.G., &amp; Potegal, M. (2011). Screaming, yelling, whining, and crying: Categorical and intensity differences in vocal expressions of anger and sadness in children’s tantrums. <em>Emotion 11</em>(5), 1124-1133. DOI: 10.1037/a0024173

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Goodenough, F. (1931). <em>Anger in young children</em>. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.

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Lancy, D.F. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, chattel, changelings. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

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Levine, L.J. (1995). Young children’s understanding of the causes of anger and sadness. Child Development 66(2), 697-709.

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LeVine, R., &amp; LeVine, S. (2016). <em>Do parents matter? Why Japanese babies sleep soundly, Mexican siblings don’t fight, and American families should just relax.</em> New York: Public Affairs.

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Lieberman, M.D., Eisenberger, N.E., Crockett, M.J., Tom, S.M., Pfeifer, J.H., &amp; Way, B.M. (2007). Putting feelings into words: Affect labeling disrupts amygdala activity in response to affective stimuli. <em>Psychological Science 18</em>(5), 421-428.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/tantrums-part-1]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1342</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7fbec6cb-ecbb-4251-ad3b-755bf63990fc/ypm-does-your-child-ever-throw-tantrums.mp3" length="14143506" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>19:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>11</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/9daecccd-8457-4b3b-9cc0-2d02fecbaaa5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>010: Becoming Brilliant – Interview with Prof. Roberta Golinkoff</title><itunes:title>010: Becoming Brilliant – Interview with Prof. Roberta Golinkoff</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[In just a few years, today’s children and teens will forge careers that look nothing like those that were available to their parents or grandparents. While the U.S. economy becomes ever more information-driven, our system of education seems stuck on the idea that “content is king,” neglecting other skills that 21st century citizens sorely need.

Backed by the latest scientific evidence and illustrated with examples of what’s being done right in schools today, <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fia4kL"><strong>Becoming Brilliant</strong></a> (Affiliate link) introduces the “6Cs” <strong>collaboration, communication, content, critical thinking, creative innovation</strong>, and <strong>confidence</strong> along with ways parents can nurture their children’s development in each area.

Join me for an engaging chat with award-winning Professor Roberta Golinkoff about the key takeaways from the new book.

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00:35 Introducing the guest

02:11 Reason for writing the book Becoming Brilliant

03:49 Mission statement of the book

05:32 6 Competencies in the book

16:19 Teachable places are everywhere

24:42 Talk to your children

25:48 How do you have a conversation around the book

28:05 Books are important for children

29:08 How can we encourage our children to develop grit

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<strong>Jen:</strong> 00:33

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode is called Becoming Brilliant. I’m so excited to welcome my guest today, Roberta Golinkoff. I reached out to her because I’d read her book, Einstein never used flashcards, which advocated for a young children’s learning through play rather than through expensive toys or high pressure classes. So when her new book Becoming Brilliant came out, I knew I had to read it and I absolutely dance a jig the day that she agreed to join us here on Your Parenting Mojo. I’m so excited. Thank you so much for joining us. Roberto.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 01:02

You know, it’s funny, but I danced a jig too! I’m so happy to able to talk about these issues and it’s such a pleasure to meet you, Jen. I hope I get to see you next time I’m out in California.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 01:12

That would be great. All right, well let me formally introduce you. Dr. Golinkoff is the Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor of Education, Psychology, and Linguistics at the University of Delaware. She has won a fellowship and many prizes for her work and she served as an Associate Editor of Child Development, which really is the premier journal in her field and she’s also authored over 150 journal Publications, book chapters, and 14 books and monographs. Her official bio says that she has appeared on numerous radio and television shows and in print media and never turns down an opportunity to spread the findings of psychological science to the lay public so I can vouch for her on that front at least. Thank you again for joining us.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 01:49

When do I sleep?

<strong>Jen:</strong> 01:51

I don’t know. I wondered that too.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 01:54

Some days I wonder that.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 01:56

Yeah, I can imagine. So I wonder if you could start a bit by telling us about the premise of Becoming Brilliant. Why did you write this book?

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 02:04

So we know that many parents are struggling and trying to figure out what their children should be receiving by way of schooling and by way of parenting in the home. And the reason they’re struggling is because we are in a new era. You know, there has never been a time like this technology is advancing so rapidly. It’s really changing all our lives. Many of the parents who you speak to know that places like National Economic Forum have said that 47 percent of our jobs are going to go the way of computers and robots. The statistics of very clear that many, many jobs will be vanishing. So how do we protect our children for the future? So when we started to think about this, we knew it was going to be about education, but we didn’t just want it to be about reimagining education in the classroom because we recognize that kids spend only 20 percent of their time in school.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 03:05

It seems like way more than that.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 03:08

But it’s not if you actually do the numbers on it, and that means that the kinds of activities that children engage in outside of school and at home and be crucially important for their education. Many people are not thrilled with the kind of education that their children have. And we also wanted to broaden what we think of as education because if your kid is just smart but a junky person, what good did you do? Right? You want to create kids who will be happy in their personal lives and who will take the perspective of others. Otherwise, you know, how can you have partners? How can you work in the workforce if you can’t get along with people? So our book actually has a mission statement and we created this mission statement by modifying a mission statement from Ontario, our neighbors to the north. I love Canada.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 04:02

I want to be a poster child because they get education. They know how important playful learning is and they minimize the drill-and-kill. So our mission statement is society thrives when we craft environments both in and out of school that support happy, healthy thinking, caring and social children who become collaborative, creative, competent, and responsible citizens tomorrow.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 04:35

That’s quite a mission.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 04:37

It is a big mission. It is true. And in order to fulfill this mission, it’s just a good thing that Kathy and I are steeped in the psychological literature because between us, we read and incorporated thousands of studies into this book and while that may sound incredibly dense and boring…

<strong>Jen:</strong> 05:00

…it’s actually not because I read it!

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 05:07

…we really try to write in a way that invites people into our thinking, into the laboratory, into the school, into the home so that they can see the principles that we extract from the research visible before your eyes?

<strong>Jen:</strong> 05:23

Yeah. I did notice that it’s really full of stories that really helped to get your points across. So let’s dive into the book a little bit. So the setup of the book is that you described the six Cs, which are Collaboration, Communication, Content, Critical thinking, Creative innovation and Confidence. And each of those competencies has four levels of mastery from basic up to pretty high; the kind of level that some people never achieve in their lifetime. And so you actually have it set out on a table format. And as I looked at the table, the building of the levels made immediate sense to me, but it wasn’t until I got to the end of the book that I realized how you can kind of move across the table as well and the competencies themselves build on each other and reinforce each other. Can you talk a little bit about that?

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 06:08

Oh yeah. That was a brilliant presentation of how this is presented. So the idea is that skills that we talk about emerge in development and we tried to put them in sequence by development. And in addition there is development along each of the six Cs. So probably the way to make it clearer would be to give an example, let’s say from collaboration, the first one. Think about the fact that humans are born ultra social. We we will smile to faces and lock onto eyes at birth and this is often a startling recognition that people have. When the new born baby comes out and looks you in the eyes, it’s like, oh my God, there’s a little person in there. So collaboration is basically two heads are better than one. Easy to remember, and in order to collaborate and work with others, so this is our first C. We have to learn to control our emotions and take others’ points of view. We also sprinkle the book with business examples because Peter Drucker, who was the father of modern management, has written about how companies today have to live in a Lego world where the bricks can be combined and recombined as collaborations occur inside and outside the company.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 07:47

Yeah. Yours is the first book I’ve ever seen that does that, that kind of looks ahead to what, what comes out the other end. I’m particularly from a business viewpoint and says these are the kinds of skills that you’re going to need. You know, you’re not going to need to be able to recite the capitals of the 50 states in your career. You’re going to need a whole different set of skills that is not being addressed by schools today.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 08:07

You know, you, you really get it. I feel like you should be giving this interview! You so get it! So it is absolutely true that what we did in the 20th century, in the 19th century, and unfortunately even in some of this century, is engaged children in a lot of memorization. Now, look, I’m not going to say memorization isn’t important. I’m giving a test tomorrow in one of my classes and not going to have open book, they’re going to have to memorize stuff. Okay? But unless you can make it your own, unless you can engage in deep learning so you can generate examples and you can talk about why this concept is important. You’ve only learned in a very shallow way. And with being able to get at...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[In just a few years, today’s children and teens will forge careers that look nothing like those that were available to their parents or grandparents. While the U.S. economy becomes ever more information-driven, our system of education seems stuck on the idea that “content is king,” neglecting other skills that 21st century citizens sorely need.

Backed by the latest scientific evidence and illustrated with examples of what’s being done right in schools today, <a href="http://amzn.to/2Fia4kL"><strong>Becoming Brilliant</strong></a> (Affiliate link) introduces the “6Cs” <strong>collaboration, communication, content, critical thinking, creative innovation</strong>, and <strong>confidence</strong> along with ways parents can nurture their children’s development in each area.

Join me for an engaging chat with award-winning Professor Roberta Golinkoff about the key takeaways from the new book.

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00:35 Introducing the guest

02:11 Reason for writing the book Becoming Brilliant

03:49 Mission statement of the book

05:32 6 Competencies in the book

16:19 Teachable places are everywhere

24:42 Talk to your children

25:48 How do you have a conversation around the book

28:05 Books are important for children

29:08 How can we encourage our children to develop grit

33:42 2 Ways to view intelligence significant

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<strong>Jen:</strong> 00:33

Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. Today’s episode is called Becoming Brilliant. I’m so excited to welcome my guest today, Roberta Golinkoff. I reached out to her because I’d read her book, Einstein never used flashcards, which advocated for a young children’s learning through play rather than through expensive toys or high pressure classes. So when her new book Becoming Brilliant came out, I knew I had to read it and I absolutely dance a jig the day that she agreed to join us here on Your Parenting Mojo. I’m so excited. Thank you so much for joining us. Roberto.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 01:02

You know, it’s funny, but I danced a jig too! I’m so happy to able to talk about these issues and it’s such a pleasure to meet you, Jen. I hope I get to see you next time I’m out in California.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 01:12

That would be great. All right, well let me formally introduce you. Dr. Golinkoff is the Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor of Education, Psychology, and Linguistics at the University of Delaware. She has won a fellowship and many prizes for her work and she served as an Associate Editor of Child Development, which really is the premier journal in her field and she’s also authored over 150 journal Publications, book chapters, and 14 books and monographs. Her official bio says that she has appeared on numerous radio and television shows and in print media and never turns down an opportunity to spread the findings of psychological science to the lay public so I can vouch for her on that front at least. Thank you again for joining us.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 01:49

When do I sleep?

<strong>Jen:</strong> 01:51

I don’t know. I wondered that too.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 01:54

Some days I wonder that.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 01:56

Yeah, I can imagine. So I wonder if you could start a bit by telling us about the premise of Becoming Brilliant. Why did you write this book?

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 02:04

So we know that many parents are struggling and trying to figure out what their children should be receiving by way of schooling and by way of parenting in the home. And the reason they’re struggling is because we are in a new era. You know, there has never been a time like this technology is advancing so rapidly. It’s really changing all our lives. Many of the parents who you speak to know that places like National Economic Forum have said that 47 percent of our jobs are going to go the way of computers and robots. The statistics of very clear that many, many jobs will be vanishing. So how do we protect our children for the future? So when we started to think about this, we knew it was going to be about education, but we didn’t just want it to be about reimagining education in the classroom because we recognize that kids spend only 20 percent of their time in school.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 03:05

It seems like way more than that.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 03:08

But it’s not if you actually do the numbers on it, and that means that the kinds of activities that children engage in outside of school and at home and be crucially important for their education. Many people are not thrilled with the kind of education that their children have. And we also wanted to broaden what we think of as education because if your kid is just smart but a junky person, what good did you do? Right? You want to create kids who will be happy in their personal lives and who will take the perspective of others. Otherwise, you know, how can you have partners? How can you work in the workforce if you can’t get along with people? So our book actually has a mission statement and we created this mission statement by modifying a mission statement from Ontario, our neighbors to the north. I love Canada.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 04:02

I want to be a poster child because they get education. They know how important playful learning is and they minimize the drill-and-kill. So our mission statement is society thrives when we craft environments both in and out of school that support happy, healthy thinking, caring and social children who become collaborative, creative, competent, and responsible citizens tomorrow.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 04:35

That’s quite a mission.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 04:37

It is a big mission. It is true. And in order to fulfill this mission, it’s just a good thing that Kathy and I are steeped in the psychological literature because between us, we read and incorporated thousands of studies into this book and while that may sound incredibly dense and boring…

<strong>Jen:</strong> 05:00

…it’s actually not because I read it!

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 05:07

…we really try to write in a way that invites people into our thinking, into the laboratory, into the school, into the home so that they can see the principles that we extract from the research visible before your eyes?

<strong>Jen:</strong> 05:23

Yeah. I did notice that it’s really full of stories that really helped to get your points across. So let’s dive into the book a little bit. So the setup of the book is that you described the six Cs, which are Collaboration, Communication, Content, Critical thinking, Creative innovation and Confidence. And each of those competencies has four levels of mastery from basic up to pretty high; the kind of level that some people never achieve in their lifetime. And so you actually have it set out on a table format. And as I looked at the table, the building of the levels made immediate sense to me, but it wasn’t until I got to the end of the book that I realized how you can kind of move across the table as well and the competencies themselves build on each other and reinforce each other. Can you talk a little bit about that?

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 06:08

Oh yeah. That was a brilliant presentation of how this is presented. So the idea is that skills that we talk about emerge in development and we tried to put them in sequence by development. And in addition there is development along each of the six Cs. So probably the way to make it clearer would be to give an example, let’s say from collaboration, the first one. Think about the fact that humans are born ultra social. We we will smile to faces and lock onto eyes at birth and this is often a startling recognition that people have. When the new born baby comes out and looks you in the eyes, it’s like, oh my God, there’s a little person in there. So collaboration is basically two heads are better than one. Easy to remember, and in order to collaborate and work with others, so this is our first C. We have to learn to control our emotions and take others’ points of view. We also sprinkle the book with business examples because Peter Drucker, who was the father of modern management, has written about how companies today have to live in a Lego world where the bricks can be combined and recombined as collaborations occur inside and outside the company.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 07:47

Yeah. Yours is the first book I’ve ever seen that does that, that kind of looks ahead to what, what comes out the other end. I’m particularly from a business viewpoint and says these are the kinds of skills that you’re going to need. You know, you’re not going to need to be able to recite the capitals of the 50 states in your career. You’re going to need a whole different set of skills that is not being addressed by schools today.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 08:07

You know, you, you really get it. I feel like you should be giving this interview! You so get it! So it is absolutely true that what we did in the 20th century, in the 19th century, and unfortunately even in some of this century, is engaged children in a lot of memorization. Now, look, I’m not going to say memorization isn’t important. I’m giving a test tomorrow in one of my classes and not going to have open book, they’re going to have to memorize stuff. Okay? But unless you can make it your own, unless you can engage in deep learning so you can generate examples and you can talk about why this concept is important. You’ve only learned in a very shallow way. And with being able to get at our fingertips now on the computer, I mean, you could go ask any second grader, what’s the tallest building in the world? And they can tell you if they have computer access in about 13 seconds, right?

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 09:09

So there are many things available to children today that weren’t available in the past when we did rely so heavily on memorization. Now what we need to develop in our children is the ability to adapt and be flexible and be able to change. Because seven out of 10 jobs have not been invented yet for the future and our children.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 09:32

Isn’t that a weird thought?

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 09:32

It is! It’s true. We already see all around us how we’re being replaced by…. Oh, oh, he’s a great example. So I spoke at the evolution institute and United Way in Tampa, Florida. It was held in the building owned by Valpack. We get these coupons, I don’t know, monthly is it?

<strong>Jen:</strong> 10:00

Yeah, we get them in the mail too.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 10:00

And they produce these things. They had a community room where we had the meeting, so they had these giant windows so you could look down into the factory. I was literally blown away. I felt like, oh my God, I have seen the future. This was maybe a 200,000 square foot factory loaded with equipment. There were moving vehicles with no human in them. They were all conducted by robots and this giant working factory had about four humans in it. I was blown away, so this is the future for which we are preparing our children. That means we have to give them the skills, help them develop the skills, that robots and computers aren’t so good at. So collaboration is certainly one of them. Communication is essential. It’s the grease that keeps international commerce alive because now we’re collaborating with people all over the world. One of my fondest expressions is the world is the size of a walnut. You know, 25 years ago even I couldn’t have had a dinner at my house with somebody on my left from Bangladesh, somebody on my right from Ireland, somebody in front of me from India.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 11:27

I mean it just goes on and on, right? So we have to figure out how to communicate with people from cultures all over the world. We have to learn to speak, we have to learn to write. And all this entails, again, taking the perspective of the other. You have to have content, no question about it. You ain’t going to get away without content, okay. And there are different ways to learn content. Then we would like to move away from a lot of the drill and kill that we’re seeing in school because we want kids to be able to gain, retain and use content in new ways. That’s what they’re going to be asked to do in life to apply what they know to problems and again, we don’t want them replaced by those computers. Critical thinking: we can think of it as question everything.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 12:20

You have to have some content to be able to engage in critical thinking and you have to be able to synthesize and select the information you need from this deluge to solve the problem at hand. So I don’t know about you, but I’m sitting in my office looking at my desk loaded with journals, papers and books and I like to tell people this is not my fault. This is because we see daily encounter the equivalent: are you ready for this of 174 newspapers? One hundred and 74 newspapers…

<strong>Jen:</strong> 12:57

Worth of content…

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 12:58

Per day is the amount of information by one estimate that we encounter. So how could I possibly keep up and keep my place neat?

<strong>Jen:</strong> 13:07

Yeah. It’s not my fault! I’ll tell my husband that. So let’s talk a little bit about how that content C applies to two very young children. We’re not quite there yet with our toddler. She’s just a little over two. But I’ve certainly met children who are slightly older who sort of latch onto a topic and learn all of these kinds of esoteric facts about it. And I know that they tend to kind of just memorize these little nuggets of information and I’m wondering is there any way that we can, that we can know that we would want to kind of scaffold that knowledge into a more cohesive whole or if it’s just part of being a toddler that you memorize 300 facts about dinosaurs and then you move onto fish and then you move onto something else.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 13:54

So it’s a wonderful thing that our kids are so curious and it’s an unfortunate thing that school tends to stamp it out of them unless it’s a certain kind of school that really encourages curiosity and questioning. So, you know, my favorite place when my kids were little was the public library. It’s such a gift to go with your kids and let them pick out the books. And then if you know they’re interested in spiders, you know, you take out books on spiders, right? So why not feed into the things that your kids are interested in? It doesn’t mean they have to become entomologists, ultimately, and study spiders for living. But if they’re fascinated about something in the world, let’s build on it. Why not? Right? And this is also where media can come in. In today’s even though there are many junky educational apps out there, and even though we don’t want our kids on television 24 slash seven, you know, you may well be able to find cool videos about spiders. I opened up one of my talks once with a little piece from the New York Times on jumping spiders who can jump like five times their body, you know, and it’s just fascinating once you start to dig in and I wouldn’t worry so much about what your kid is getting out of it as long as they continue to ask questions and they want to know and your feed into this by providing them with opportunity to learn more. Why not?

<strong>Jen:</strong> 15:29

That’s an interesting twist on it. So you’re saying that a measure of success is not how much they know or how well it goes together, but how well they continue to ask questions.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 15:38

Yeah. And you know, I’m not telling much worried about assaying what my kids know about dinosaurs per se. I just want to feed into their curiosity. And the more we do that, the more they learn about the world and they learn how to learn. So in content is also included, learning to learn. So if we help children know how to find the information they’re interested in, you know, that starts by going to the library, maybe going online. We’re already helping them for the future because they need to know how to find information and teachable moments are everywhere. So we tell parents to take their children to really exotic places like the supermarket. I mean, you know what’s more typical for a family, you go to the supermarket, you go to the pharmacy, you go to the cleaner’s right? And I’ve always loved in the cleaners the button that you press that makes the clothes come down…

<strong>Jen:</strong> 16:47

Yeah, I bet that will be every toddler’s field day…

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 16:52

So this is how do we help our kids learn about the world. We ask them questions and they ask us questions and it’s not like giving a test. It’s like open ended questions where you talk about things. So for example, say you see an eggplant for the first time in the supermarket, you can tap into all the Cs. You can say, this is one of the only purple vegetables. You know, why don’t you feel it? It’s so smooth. It’s amazing how it feels on the outside, should we buy, should we take it home and cook and make something with it. You know, you get, you get all excited about an eggplant, right, and this is what it’s like if you’re excited about taking your child out in the world, you can just share these little tidbits with them and then if you actually take it home and make something with them, they’re not only learning content about the category of vegetables, but they’re learning to collaborate with you. They’re learning about communication because they’re asking you questions and having a conversation with you and all these things come together in creating children who are curious and who want to know more and he takes the perspective of others. It’s like no big secret here.

<strong>Jen:</strong> 18:11

Yeah, in a way that kind of is the secret I in my mind because when my toddler started getting a little bit older, I started to set up all these learning activities for her and you know, what am I, what am I missing out on by not doing a learning activity today? And it’s through reading books like yours that I realize that going to the grocery store is a learning activity. When you’re looking at your collaboration C you’re talking about things like stacking firewood together and I’m packing groceries together because those kinds of activities build collaboration, you know, can you pass me the grapes or whatever and where do these go? Could you put those away for me please? And so I really appreciate just the understanding that I can bring my toddler along just by going through my daily life that I don’t have to set up learning activities for her unless I want to or unless she wants to or there is something outside of that. But I don’t have to.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 19:08

I’m so happy you’re saying this, Jen, because sometimes I think that I’ve been steeped in this stuff for so long that I, that I need to hear you. You feel the pressure to set up learning activities for a child who is just two. And I think it’s a shame and that’s why we wrote Einstein Never Used Flash Cards…

<strong>Jen:</strong> 19:32

I love that book.

<strong>Dr. Golinkoff:</strong> 19:34

Thank you so much. Because we wanted to tell parents also at that time that they didn’t have to fall prey to the marketolace telling them that they have to buy at the time it was]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/becomingbrilliant]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1339</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:36:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/35875602-193a-4cb6-a73c-8507104e9a63/ypm-becoming-brilliant-edited-revised.mp3" length="30946839" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>009: Do you punish your child with rewards?</title><itunes:title>009: Do you punish your child with rewards?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I’ve never said the words “good job” to my toddler. I was lucky – I stumbled on Alfie Kohn’s book <a href="http://amzn.to/2FfaULP">Punished by Rewards</a> early enough that I was able to break the habit before my daughter had really done anything much that might be construed as requiring a “good job.”

&nbsp;

I’m going to be absolutely transparent here and say that this episode draws very heavily on Alfie Kohn’s book Punished by Rewards, which – along with one of his other books, Unconditional Parenting, are a cornerstone of my approach to parenting. If you have time, you should absolutely buy the book and read it yourself. But assuming you don’t have the time for 300 pages of (really, very good) writing plus a hundred more of notes and references to explain why both physical and verbal rewards are just as harmful to your children as <span class="il">punishing</span> them, this episode will help you to get to the crux of the issue much faster. I’ll also get into the research that Kohn draws on, as well as relevant research that’s been published since the book came out in 1993.

&nbsp;

Kohn’s thesis is that saying “good job” is really no different than <span class="il">punishing</span> your child, since rewards are essentially the same thing – stimuli designed to elicit a response.  He argues that while this approach is actually quite effective in the short term, not only is it not effective in the long term but it doesn’t mesh well with the kinds of relationships that many of us think or say we want to have with our children.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:38 Introduction of episode

03:57 What do the parent’s wanted to achieve when praising their children

09:23 4 Reasons why giving rewards fail

16:27 5 Reasons to stop saying “Good Job” to a child

20:53 Suggestions of Alfie Kohn for parents not to say “Good Job” to their children

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Birch, LL., Marlin, D.W., &amp; Rotter, J. (1984). Eating as the ‘means’ activity in a contingency: Effects on young children’s food preferences. <em>Child Development 55,</em> 432-439. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/1129954?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents">https://www.jstor.org/stable/1129954?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents</a>

<hr />

Brummelman, E., Tomaes, S., Overbeek, G., Orobio de Castro, B., van den Hout, M.A., &amp; Bushman, B.J. (2014). On feeding those hungry for praise: Person praise backfires in children with low self-esteem. Journal of Experimental Psychology 143(1), 9-14.

<hr />

Condry, J. (1977). Enemies of exploration: Self-initiated versus other-initiated learning. Personality and Social Psychology 35(7), 459-477.

<hr />

Dweck, C. (2006). Mindset: <em>The new psychology of success</em>. New York: Ballantine.

<hr />

Eisenberger, R. &amp; Rhoades, L. (2001). Incremental effects of reward on creativity. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 81(4), 728-741. DOI: 10.1037//0022-3514.81.4.728

<hr />

Gottfried, A.E., Fleming, J.S., &amp; Gottfried, A.W. (1994). Role of parental motivational practices in children’s academic intrinsic motivation and achievement. Journal of Educational Psychology 86(1), 104-113.

<hr />

Gray, P. (2016). Children’s natural ways of educating themselves still work: Even for the three Rs. In D.C. Geary &amp; D.B. Berch (Eds.),<em> Evolutionary perspectives on child development and education</em> (67-93). Cham, Switzerland: Springer International Publishing.

<hr />

Jeffery, R.W., Drewnowski, A., Epstein, L.H., Stunkard, A.J., Wilson, G.T., Wing, R.R., &amp; Hill, D.R. (2000). Long-term maintenance of weight loss: Current status. <em>Health Psychology 19</em>(1 Suppl.), 5-16. DOI: 10.1037//0278-6133.19.1(Suppl.).5

<hr />

Kazdin, A.E. (1982). The token economy: A decade later. Applied Behavior Analysis 15, 431-445. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1308287/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1308287/</a>

<hr />

Kohn, A. (1993). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FfaULP"><em>Punished by Rewards</em></a>. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Kohn, A. (2001). Five reasons to stop saying “Good Job!”. Retrieved from: http://www.alfiekohn.org/article/five-reasons-stop-saying-good-job/

<hr />

Pomerantz, E.M., &amp; Kempner, S.G. (2013). Mother’s daily person and process praise: Implications for children’s theory of intelligence and motivation. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(1), 2040-2046.

<hr />

Rietzschel, E.F., Zacher, H., &amp; Stroebe, W. (2016). A lifespan perspective on creativity and innovation at work. <em>Work, Aging and Retirement 2</em>(2), 105-129.

<hr />

Schwartz, B. (1982). Reinforcement-induced behavioral stereotypy: How not to teach people to discover rules. <em>Journal of Experimental Psychology: General 111</em>(1), 23-59.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I’ve never said the words “good job” to my toddler. I was lucky – I stumbled on Alfie Kohn’s book <a href="http://amzn.to/2FfaULP">Punished by Rewards</a> early enough that I was able to break the habit before my daughter had really done anything much that might be construed as requiring a “good job.”

&nbsp;

I’m going to be absolutely transparent here and say that this episode draws very heavily on Alfie Kohn’s book Punished by Rewards, which – along with one of his other books, Unconditional Parenting, are a cornerstone of my approach to parenting. If you have time, you should absolutely buy the book and read it yourself. But assuming you don’t have the time for 300 pages of (really, very good) writing plus a hundred more of notes and references to explain why both physical and verbal rewards are just as harmful to your children as <span class="il">punishing</span> them, this episode will help you to get to the crux of the issue much faster. I’ll also get into the research that Kohn draws on, as well as relevant research that’s been published since the book came out in 1993.

&nbsp;

Kohn’s thesis is that saying “good job” is really no different than <span class="il">punishing</span> your child, since rewards are essentially the same thing – stimuli designed to elicit a response.  He argues that while this approach is actually quite effective in the short term, not only is it not effective in the long term but it doesn’t mesh well with the kinds of relationships that many of us think or say we want to have with our children.

&nbsp;
<h3><strong>Parenting Membership </strong></h3>
If parenting feels really hard, and it seems like you’ve read all the books and you’ve asked for advice in free communities and you’re tired of having to weed through all the stuff that isn’t aligned with your values to get to the few good nuggets, then the Parenting Membership will help you out.

&nbsp;

The Parenting Membership is now open for immediate enrollment. Sign up now!
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&nbsp;

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:38 Introduction of episode

03:57 What do the parent’s wanted to achieve when praising their children

09:23 4 Reasons why giving rewards fail

16:27 5 Reasons to stop saying “Good Job” to a child

20:53 Suggestions of Alfie Kohn for parents not to say “Good Job” to their children

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Birch, LL., Marlin, D.W., &amp; Rotter, J. (1984). Eating as the ‘means’ activity in a contingency: Effects on young children’s food preferences. <em>Child Development 55,</em> 432-439. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/1129954?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents">https://www.jstor.org/stable/1129954?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents</a>

<hr />

Brummelman, E., Tomaes, S., Overbeek, G., Orobio de Castro, B., van den Hout, M.A., &amp; Bushman, B.J. (2014). On feeding those hungry for praise: Person praise backfires in children with low self-esteem. Journal of Experimental Psychology 143(1), 9-14.

<hr />

Condry, J. (1977). Enemies of exploration: Self-initiated versus other-initiated learning. Personality and Social Psychology 35(7), 459-477.

<hr />

Dweck, C. (2006). Mindset: <em>The new psychology of success</em>. New York: Ballantine.

<hr />

Eisenberger, R. &amp; Rhoades, L. (2001). Incremental effects of reward on creativity. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 81(4), 728-741. DOI: 10.1037//0022-3514.81.4.728

<hr />

Gottfried, A.E., Fleming, J.S., &amp; Gottfried, A.W. (1994). Role of parental motivational practices in children’s academic intrinsic motivation and achievement. Journal of Educational Psychology 86(1), 104-113.

<hr />

Gray, P. (2016). Children’s natural ways of educating themselves still work: Even for the three Rs. In D.C. Geary &amp; D.B. Berch (Eds.),<em> Evolutionary perspectives on child development and education</em> (67-93). Cham, Switzerland: Springer International Publishing.

<hr />

Jeffery, R.W., Drewnowski, A., Epstein, L.H., Stunkard, A.J., Wilson, G.T., Wing, R.R., &amp; Hill, D.R. (2000). Long-term maintenance of weight loss: Current status. <em>Health Psychology 19</em>(1 Suppl.), 5-16. DOI: 10.1037//0278-6133.19.1(Suppl.).5

<hr />

Kazdin, A.E. (1982). The token economy: A decade later. Applied Behavior Analysis 15, 431-445. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1308287/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1308287/</a>

<hr />

Kohn, A. (1993). <a href="http://amzn.to/2FfaULP"><em>Punished by Rewards</em></a>. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. (Affiliate link)

<hr />

Kohn, A. (2001). Five reasons to stop saying “Good Job!”. Retrieved from: http://www.alfiekohn.org/article/five-reasons-stop-saying-good-job/

<hr />

Pomerantz, E.M., &amp; Kempner, S.G. (2013). Mother’s daily person and process praise: Implications for children’s theory of intelligence and motivation. <em>Developmental Psychology 49</em>(1), 2040-2046.

<hr />

Rietzschel, E.F., Zacher, H., &amp; Stroebe, W. (2016). A lifespan perspective on creativity and innovation at work. <em>Work, Aging and Retirement 2</em>(2), 105-129.

<hr />

Schwartz, B. (1982). Reinforcement-induced behavioral stereotypy: How not to teach people to discover rules. <em>Journal of Experimental Psychology: General 111</em>(1), 23-59.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/009-do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1335</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2016 04:40:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/53e24e2d-0129-48be-b906-663ed3c699f2/do-you-punish-your-child-with-rewards.mp3" length="16986884" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>9</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/c54cb7d2-75c3-449b-b67e-acf4e6e66111/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>008: The impact of stress and violence on children</title><itunes:title>008: The impact of stress and violence on children</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

I’m afraid this is an episode I wish I didn’t have to record.

When I launched the podcast I asked anyone who has a question about parenting or child development that I might be able to answer by reviewing the scientific literature to reach out and let me know, and someone got in touch to ask about the impact of domestic violence on children. I was a little hesitant to do an episode on it at first because I was hoping that this would be something that wouldn’t really affect the majority of my audience. But as I did a search of the literature I found that domestic violence is depressingly common and more children are exposed to it than we would like.

And if you’re getting ready to hit that ‘pause’ button and move on to a different episode, don’t do it yet – there’s also research linking exposure to domestic violence dragging down the test scores of everyone else in that child’s class. So even if you’re not hitting anyone or being hit yourself, this issue probably impacts someone in your child’s class, and thus it impacts your child, and thus it impacts you. Listen on to learn more about the effects of stress in general on children, and the effects of domestic violence in particular.

National Domestic Violence Hotline: 800.799.7233.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:38 Prelude of the episode

01:37 The general impact of stress in the unborn baby, as well at the infants and the pre-school children

05:00 Domestic violence is a common problem across the world

09:14 Abused women may deny their children the sense of basic trust and security that is the foundation of healthy emotional development

10:54 67% of children experienced violence

14:24 What can parents do to protect their children from domestic violence and stress

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Anda, R.F., Felitti, V.J., Bremner, J.D., Walker, J.D., Whitfield, C., Perry, B.D., Dube, S.R., &amp; Giles, W.H. (2006). The enduring effects of abuse and related adverse experiences in childhood: A convergence of evidence from neurobiology and epidemiology. <em>European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience 256(</em>3), 174-186. DOI: 10.1007/s00406-005-0624-4

<hr />

Carrell, S.E., &amp; Hoekstra, M.L. (2009). Externalities in the classroom: How children exposed to domestic violence affect everyone’s kids. University of Kentucky Center for Poverty Research Discussion Paper Series, DP2009004. Retrieved from: http://www.ukcpr.org/Publications/DP2009-04.pdf

<hr />

Edleson, J.L, Ellerton, A.L., Seagren, E.A., Kirchberg, S.L., Schmidt, S.O., &amp; Ambrose, A.T. (2007). Assessing child exposure to adult domestic violence. <em>Children and Youth Services Review 29</em>, 961,971. DOI: 10.1016/j.childyouth.2006.12.009

<hr />

Essex, M.J., &amp; Klein, M.H. (2002). Maternal stress beginning in infancy may sensitize children to later stress exposure: Effects on cortisol and behavior. Biological Psychiatry 52, 776-784. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11086641_Maternal_stress_beginning_in_infancy_may_sensitize_children_to_later_stress_exposure_Effects_on_cortisol_and_behavior?enrichId=rgreq-a2830462f2af5d60e71eb7b48c03e971-XXX&amp;enrichSource=Y292ZXJQYWdlOzExMDg2NjQxO0FTOjEwMjE5ODc5Mjk0OTc3M0AxNDAxMzc3NTAwNDM3&amp;el=1_x_3">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11086641_Maternal_stress_beginning_in_infancy_may_sensitize_children_to_later_stress_exposure_Effects_on_cortisol_and_behavior?enrichId=rgreq-a2830462f2af5d60e71eb7b48c03e971-XXX&amp;enrichSource=Y292ZXJQYWdlOzExMDg2NjQxO0FTOjEwMjE5ODc5Mjk0OTc3M0AxNDAxMzc3NTAwNDM3&amp;el=1_x_3</a>

<hr />

Evans, S.E., Davies, C., &amp; DiLillo, D. (2008). Exposure to domestic violence: A meta-analysis of child and adolescent outcomes. <em>Aggression and Violent Behavior 13</em>, 131-130. DOI: 10.1016/j.avb.2008.02.005

<hr />

Holt, S., Buckley, H., &amp; Whelan, S., (2008). The impact of exposure to domestic violence on children and young people: A review of the literature. <em>Child Abuse and Neglect 32</em>, 797-810.

<hr />

Lupien, S.J., McEwen, B.S., Gunnar, M.R., &amp; Heim, C. (2009). Effects of stress throughout the lifespan on the brain, behavior and cognition. Nature Reviews: Neuroscience 10, 434-445. DOI: 10.1038/nrn2639

<hr />

Martinez-Torteya, C., Bogat, G.A., von Eye, A., &amp; Levendosky, A.A. (2009). Resilience among children exposed to domestic violence: The role of risk and protective factors. <em>Child Development 80</em>(2), 562-577.

<hr />

Obradovic, J., Bush, N.R., Stamperdahl, J., Adler, N.E., &amp; Boyce, W.T. (2010). Biological sensitivity to context: The interactive effects of stress reactivity and family adversity on socio-emotional behavior and school readiness. <em>Child Development 81</em>(1), 270-289. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01394.x.

<hr />

Rossman, B.B.R, &amp; Rosenberg, M.S. () Family stress and functioning in children: The moderating effects of children’s beliefs about their control over parental conflict. Journal of Child Psychology &amp; Psychiatry 33(4), 699-715.

<hr />

Starcheski, L. (2015, March 2). Take the ACE Quiz: and learn what it does and doesn’t mean. Shots: Health News from NPR. Retrieved from: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

I’m afraid this is an episode I wish I didn’t have to record.

When I launched the podcast I asked anyone who has a question about parenting or child development that I might be able to answer by reviewing the scientific literature to reach out and let me know, and someone got in touch to ask about the impact of domestic violence on children. I was a little hesitant to do an episode on it at first because I was hoping that this would be something that wouldn’t really affect the majority of my audience. But as I did a search of the literature I found that domestic violence is depressingly common and more children are exposed to it than we would like.

And if you’re getting ready to hit that ‘pause’ button and move on to a different episode, don’t do it yet – there’s also research linking exposure to domestic violence dragging down the test scores of everyone else in that child’s class. So even if you’re not hitting anyone or being hit yourself, this issue probably impacts someone in your child’s class, and thus it impacts your child, and thus it impacts you. Listen on to learn more about the effects of stress in general on children, and the effects of domestic violence in particular.

National Domestic Violence Hotline: 800.799.7233.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights:</strong>

00:38 Prelude of the episode

01:37 The general impact of stress in the unborn baby, as well at the infants and the pre-school children

05:00 Domestic violence is a common problem across the world

09:14 Abused women may deny their children the sense of basic trust and security that is the foundation of healthy emotional development

10:54 67% of children experienced violence

14:24 What can parents do to protect their children from domestic violence and stress

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Anda, R.F., Felitti, V.J., Bremner, J.D., Walker, J.D., Whitfield, C., Perry, B.D., Dube, S.R., &amp; Giles, W.H. (2006). The enduring effects of abuse and related adverse experiences in childhood: A convergence of evidence from neurobiology and epidemiology. <em>European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience 256(</em>3), 174-186. DOI: 10.1007/s00406-005-0624-4

<hr />

Carrell, S.E., &amp; Hoekstra, M.L. (2009). Externalities in the classroom: How children exposed to domestic violence affect everyone’s kids. University of Kentucky Center for Poverty Research Discussion Paper Series, DP2009004. Retrieved from: http://www.ukcpr.org/Publications/DP2009-04.pdf

<hr />

Edleson, J.L, Ellerton, A.L., Seagren, E.A., Kirchberg, S.L., Schmidt, S.O., &amp; Ambrose, A.T. (2007). Assessing child exposure to adult domestic violence. <em>Children and Youth Services Review 29</em>, 961,971. DOI: 10.1016/j.childyouth.2006.12.009

<hr />

Essex, M.J., &amp; Klein, M.H. (2002). Maternal stress beginning in infancy may sensitize children to later stress exposure: Effects on cortisol and behavior. Biological Psychiatry 52, 776-784. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11086641_Maternal_stress_beginning_in_infancy_may_sensitize_children_to_later_stress_exposure_Effects_on_cortisol_and_behavior?enrichId=rgreq-a2830462f2af5d60e71eb7b48c03e971-XXX&amp;enrichSource=Y292ZXJQYWdlOzExMDg2NjQxO0FTOjEwMjE5ODc5Mjk0OTc3M0AxNDAxMzc3NTAwNDM3&amp;el=1_x_3">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11086641_Maternal_stress_beginning_in_infancy_may_sensitize_children_to_later_stress_exposure_Effects_on_cortisol_and_behavior?enrichId=rgreq-a2830462f2af5d60e71eb7b48c03e971-XXX&amp;enrichSource=Y292ZXJQYWdlOzExMDg2NjQxO0FTOjEwMjE5ODc5Mjk0OTc3M0AxNDAxMzc3NTAwNDM3&amp;el=1_x_3</a>

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Evans, S.E., Davies, C., &amp; DiLillo, D. (2008). Exposure to domestic violence: A meta-analysis of child and adolescent outcomes. <em>Aggression and Violent Behavior 13</em>, 131-130. DOI: 10.1016/j.avb.2008.02.005

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Holt, S., Buckley, H., &amp; Whelan, S., (2008). The impact of exposure to domestic violence on children and young people: A review of the literature. <em>Child Abuse and Neglect 32</em>, 797-810.

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Lupien, S.J., McEwen, B.S., Gunnar, M.R., &amp; Heim, C. (2009). Effects of stress throughout the lifespan on the brain, behavior and cognition. Nature Reviews: Neuroscience 10, 434-445. DOI: 10.1038/nrn2639

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Martinez-Torteya, C., Bogat, G.A., von Eye, A., &amp; Levendosky, A.A. (2009). Resilience among children exposed to domestic violence: The role of risk and protective factors. <em>Child Development 80</em>(2), 562-577.

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Obradovic, J., Bush, N.R., Stamperdahl, J., Adler, N.E., &amp; Boyce, W.T. (2010). Biological sensitivity to context: The interactive effects of stress reactivity and family adversity on socio-emotional behavior and school readiness. <em>Child Development 81</em>(1), 270-289. DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01394.x.

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Rossman, B.B.R, &amp; Rosenberg, M.S. () Family stress and functioning in children: The moderating effects of children’s beliefs about their control over parental conflict. Journal of Child Psychology &amp; Psychiatry 33(4), 699-715.

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Starcheski, L. (2015, March 2). Take the ACE Quiz: and learn what it does and doesn’t mean. Shots: Health News from NPR. Retrieved from: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/008-the-impact-of-domestic-violence-on-children]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1314</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2016 03:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b7199f60-dae1-4d72-a4a5-fb380677eaf2/008-the-impact-of-stress-and-violence.mp3" length="12434371" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>17:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>8</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6df7e774-6974-449c-9b29-30412a7fc601/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>007: Help! My toddler won’t eat vegetables</title><itunes:title>007: Help! My toddler won’t eat vegetables</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;

<em>(Believe it or not, this is Carys’ “I freaking love homemade spinach ravioli with broccoli” face!)</em>

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I was sitting in a restaurant recently with half an eye on a toddler and his parents at the next table. The parents were trying to get the toddler to eat some of his broccoli before he ate the second helping of chicken that he was asking for.

All of a sudden a line from Pink Floyd’s album “The Wall” popped into my head:

<em>If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?</em>

This is the way I was raised; you finish everything on your plate and you certainly don’t get dessert if you don’t finish your meal. But as is the custom with the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, I want to use this episode to question why we do this and find out what scientific research has to say about it all. We want our toddlers to eat a balanced diet, and we assume we have to teach them what a balanced diet means. But do we really? Or can we trust that our children will eat the foods that they need to be healthy? These are some of the questions we’ll set out to answer in this episode.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:36 Introduction of episode
01:39 The first book to be published about children's eating behavior was 1939 by Clara Mae Davis
03:25 Current dietary guidelines from 2010, state that children with some specific age range should get an applicable calory supply
04:57 The children didn't have the availability of all kinds of food
07:37 What causes children to like fruits and vegetables
09:27 The more we control what our children eat, the less control we seem to have over it
12:59 How would parents deal with this discussion

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<strong>References</strong>

Benton, D. (2004). Role of parents in the determination of the food preferences of children and the development of obesity. <em>International Journal of Obesity 28</em>, 858-869. DOI: 10.1038/sj.ijo.0802532

<hr />

Birch LL. (1980). Effects of peer models’ food choices and eating behaviors on preschoolers’ food preferences. Child Development 51, 489–496.

<hr />

Birch, LL., Marlin, D.W., &amp; Rotter, J. (1984). Eating as the ‘means’ activity in a contingency: Effects on young children’s food preferences. <em>Child Development 55,</em> 432-439. Retrieved from: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1129954?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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Birch, L.L., &amp; Fisher, J.O. (1998). Development of eating behaviors among children and adolescents. <em>Pediatrics 101</em> Issue supplement 2. Retrieved from: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/Supplement_2/539

<hr />

Birch, L.L., Fisher, J.O., Grimm-Thomas, K., Markey, C.N., Sawyer, R., &amp; Johnson, S.L. (2001). Confirmatory factor analysis of the Child Feeding Questionnaire: A measure of parental attitudes, beliefs and practices about child feeding and obesity proneness. Appetite 36, 201-210. DOI: 10.1006/appe.2001.0398

<hr />

Davis, C.M. (1939). Results of the self-selection of diets by young children. Canadian Medical Association Journal 41, 257-61. Full article available at: <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=537465&amp;blobtype=pdf"><strong>www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=537465&amp;blobtype=pdf</strong></a>

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Fisher, J.O., &amp; Birch, L.L. (1999). Restricting access to foods and children’s eating. <em>Appetite 32</em>(3), 405-419. DOI: 10.1006/appe.1999.0231

<hr />

Hughes, S.O., Power, T.G., Orlet Fisher, J., Mueller, S., &amp; Nicklas, T.A. (2005). Revisiting a neglected construct: Parenting styles in a child feeding context. <em>Appetite 44</em>(1), 83-92. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.appet.2004.08.007">10.1016/j.appet.2004.08.007</a>

<hr />

Jansen, E., Mulkens, S., &amp; Jansen, A. (2007). Do not eat the red food!: Prohibition of snacks leads to their relatively higher consumption in children. <em>Appetite 49</em>(3), 572-577. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2007.03.229

<hr />

Jansen, E., Mulkens, S., Emond, Y., &amp; Jansen, A. (2008). From the Garden of Eden to the land of plenty: Restriction of fruit and sweets intake leads to increased fruit and sweets consumption in children. Appetite 51(3), 570-575. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2008.04.012

<hr />

Newman, J., &amp; Taylor, A. (1992). Effect of a means-end contingency on young children’s food preferences. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology, 64, 200-216. DOI: 10.1016/0022-0965(92)90049-C

<hr />

Pink Floyd (1979). Another brick in the wall – Part 2. London, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Lyrics retrieved from: <a href="http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html">http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html</a>

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Savage, J.S., Fisher, J.O., &amp; Birch, L.L. (2007). Parental influence on eating behavior. <em>Journal of Law, Medicine, &amp; Ethics 35</em>(1), 22-34. DOI: 10.1111/j.1748-720X.2007.00111.x

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U.S. Department of Agriculture, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (2010). Dietary guidelines for Americans: 2010. Full report available at: https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2010/dietaryguidelines2010.pdf

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Ventura, A.K., Gromis, J.C., &amp; Lohse, B. (2010). Feeding practices and styles used by a diverse set of low-income parents of preschool-age children. <em>Journal of nutrition education and behavior 42</em>(4), 242-249. Retrieved from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S149940460900284X

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Hello and welcome to episode 7 of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, which is called Help!  My toddler won’t eat vegetables!  I decided on the theme for this episode when I was sitting in a restaurant with half an eye on a toddler and his parents at the next table.  The parents were trying to get the toddler to eat some of his broccoli before he ate the second helping of chicken that he was asking for.  All of a sudden a line from Pink Floyd’s album “The Wall” popped into my head: “If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding.  How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?”  This is the way I was raised; you finish everything on your plate and you certainly don’t get dessert if you don’t finish your meal.  But as is the custom with the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, I want to use this episode to question why we do this and find out what scientific research has to say about it all.  We want our toddlers to eat a balanced diet, and we assume we have to teach them what a balanced diet means.  But do we really?  Or can we trust that our children will eat the foods that they need to be healthy?  These are some of the questions we’ll set out to answer today.

Perhaps you might be as surprised as I was to find that the single study that grounds virtually all current research on children and eating was published in 1939 by a pediatrician named Clara Mae Davis.  She convinced unmarried and widowed mothers who couldn’t support their families to place their children into an orphanage in Chicago.  Davis then recorded every single thing 15 children ate over the first 4 ½ years of their lives after they were weaned.  In addition she recorded their height, weight, bowel movements, bone radiographs and blood tests at various intervals during those years.

But the really interesting part of the study is what she offered the children to eat and how she offered it.  She created a menu of 34 different foods, all procured fresh and minimally prepared.  Some of the foods were milk, apples, turnips, lettuce, oatmeal, barley, beef, bone marrow, brains, and haddock.  The 34 foods were selected because collectively they offered the complete set of nutrients needed by a growing person although of course they weren’t all served at once – about 10 were prepared and served at once to offer a wide variety of foods at each meal.

The nurses feeding the children were not allowed to directly offer or even suggest that the children try a particular food.  Only after the child reached for or pointed to a dish could the nurse put some food on a spoon and, if the child opened his mouth, put it in.  The nurse wasn’t allowed to comment on what the child ate or didn’t eat, attract his attention to food or refuse him any food.  The child could eat with his fingers if he wanted and no correction of his manners was offered.  The tray of food was taken away when the child had definitively stopped eating, usually after 20-25 minutes.

As Clara Mae Davis noted, the remarkable thing about the results in this study is that nothing remarkable happened.  All of the children had hearty appetites.  Constipation was never an issue and other than mild colds, they rarely got sick. Five children were malnourished at the beginning of the study and all were healthy by the end.  The children ate, on average, roughly the caloric intake recommended by both the nutritional standards in place at the time as well as the standards we use today.  Current  dietary guidelines published in 2010 state that children aged 1-3 should get 5-20% of their calories from protein, 45-65% from carbohydrates, and 30-40% from fat; the percentages shift slightly in favor of protein and away from fat for children 4-18 years old.  In Davis’ 1939 study the average distribution of calories per kilogram of body weight was 17% protein, 35% fat, and 48% carbohydrates.  Individual children might have had protein intakes as low as 9% or as high as 20% – all still within the dietary guidelines.  So the children in Davis’ study met dietary guidelines developed sixty years afterwards, with all of the knowledge we have...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;

<em>(Believe it or not, this is Carys’ “I freaking love homemade spinach ravioli with broccoli” face!)</em>

&nbsp;

I was sitting in a restaurant recently with half an eye on a toddler and his parents at the next table. The parents were trying to get the toddler to eat some of his broccoli before he ate the second helping of chicken that he was asking for.

All of a sudden a line from Pink Floyd’s album “The Wall” popped into my head:

<em>If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?</em>

This is the way I was raised; you finish everything on your plate and you certainly don’t get dessert if you don’t finish your meal. But as is the custom with the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, I want to use this episode to question why we do this and find out what scientific research has to say about it all. We want our toddlers to eat a balanced diet, and we assume we have to teach them what a balanced diet means. But do we really? Or can we trust that our children will eat the foods that they need to be healthy? These are some of the questions we’ll set out to answer in this episode.

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:36 Introduction of episode
01:39 The first book to be published about children's eating behavior was 1939 by Clara Mae Davis
03:25 Current dietary guidelines from 2010, state that children with some specific age range should get an applicable calory supply
04:57 The children didn't have the availability of all kinds of food
07:37 What causes children to like fruits and vegetables
09:27 The more we control what our children eat, the less control we seem to have over it
12:59 How would parents deal with this discussion

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Benton, D. (2004). Role of parents in the determination of the food preferences of children and the development of obesity. <em>International Journal of Obesity 28</em>, 858-869. DOI: 10.1038/sj.ijo.0802532

<hr />

Birch LL. (1980). Effects of peer models’ food choices and eating behaviors on preschoolers’ food preferences. Child Development 51, 489–496.

<hr />

Birch, LL., Marlin, D.W., &amp; Rotter, J. (1984). Eating as the ‘means’ activity in a contingency: Effects on young children’s food preferences. <em>Child Development 55,</em> 432-439. Retrieved from: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1129954?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

<hr />

Birch, L.L., &amp; Fisher, J.O. (1998). Development of eating behaviors among children and adolescents. <em>Pediatrics 101</em> Issue supplement 2. Retrieved from: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/Supplement_2/539

<hr />

Birch, L.L., Fisher, J.O., Grimm-Thomas, K., Markey, C.N., Sawyer, R., &amp; Johnson, S.L. (2001). Confirmatory factor analysis of the Child Feeding Questionnaire: A measure of parental attitudes, beliefs and practices about child feeding and obesity proneness. Appetite 36, 201-210. DOI: 10.1006/appe.2001.0398

<hr />

Davis, C.M. (1939). Results of the self-selection of diets by young children. Canadian Medical Association Journal 41, 257-61. Full article available at: <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=537465&amp;blobtype=pdf"><strong>www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=537465&amp;blobtype=pdf</strong></a>

<hr />

Fisher, J.O., &amp; Birch, L.L. (1999). Restricting access to foods and children’s eating. <em>Appetite 32</em>(3), 405-419. DOI: 10.1006/appe.1999.0231

<hr />

Hughes, S.O., Power, T.G., Orlet Fisher, J., Mueller, S., &amp; Nicklas, T.A. (2005). Revisiting a neglected construct: Parenting styles in a child feeding context. <em>Appetite 44</em>(1), 83-92. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.appet.2004.08.007">10.1016/j.appet.2004.08.007</a>

<hr />

Jansen, E., Mulkens, S., &amp; Jansen, A. (2007). Do not eat the red food!: Prohibition of snacks leads to their relatively higher consumption in children. <em>Appetite 49</em>(3), 572-577. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2007.03.229

<hr />

Jansen, E., Mulkens, S., Emond, Y., &amp; Jansen, A. (2008). From the Garden of Eden to the land of plenty: Restriction of fruit and sweets intake leads to increased fruit and sweets consumption in children. Appetite 51(3), 570-575. DOI: 10.1016/j.appet.2008.04.012

<hr />

Newman, J., &amp; Taylor, A. (1992). Effect of a means-end contingency on young children’s food preferences. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology, 64, 200-216. DOI: 10.1016/0022-0965(92)90049-C

<hr />

Pink Floyd (1979). Another brick in the wall – Part 2. London, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Lyrics retrieved from: <a href="http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html">http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html</a>

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Savage, J.S., Fisher, J.O., &amp; Birch, L.L. (2007). Parental influence on eating behavior. <em>Journal of Law, Medicine, &amp; Ethics 35</em>(1), 22-34. DOI: 10.1111/j.1748-720X.2007.00111.x

<hr />

U.S. Department of Agriculture, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (2010). Dietary guidelines for Americans: 2010. Full report available at: https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2010/dietaryguidelines2010.pdf

<hr />

Ventura, A.K., Gromis, J.C., &amp; Lohse, B. (2010). Feeding practices and styles used by a diverse set of low-income parents of preschool-age children. <em>Journal of nutrition education and behavior 42</em>(4), 242-249. Retrieved from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S149940460900284X

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Hello and welcome to episode 7 of the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, which is called Help!  My toddler won’t eat vegetables!  I decided on the theme for this episode when I was sitting in a restaurant with half an eye on a toddler and his parents at the next table.  The parents were trying to get the toddler to eat some of his broccoli before he ate the second helping of chicken that he was asking for.  All of a sudden a line from Pink Floyd’s album “The Wall” popped into my head: “If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding.  How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?”  This is the way I was raised; you finish everything on your plate and you certainly don’t get dessert if you don’t finish your meal.  But as is the custom with the Your Parenting Mojo podcast, I want to use this episode to question why we do this and find out what scientific research has to say about it all.  We want our toddlers to eat a balanced diet, and we assume we have to teach them what a balanced diet means.  But do we really?  Or can we trust that our children will eat the foods that they need to be healthy?  These are some of the questions we’ll set out to answer today.

Perhaps you might be as surprised as I was to find that the single study that grounds virtually all current research on children and eating was published in 1939 by a pediatrician named Clara Mae Davis.  She convinced unmarried and widowed mothers who couldn’t support their families to place their children into an orphanage in Chicago.  Davis then recorded every single thing 15 children ate over the first 4 ½ years of their lives after they were weaned.  In addition she recorded their height, weight, bowel movements, bone radiographs and blood tests at various intervals during those years.

But the really interesting part of the study is what she offered the children to eat and how she offered it.  She created a menu of 34 different foods, all procured fresh and minimally prepared.  Some of the foods were milk, apples, turnips, lettuce, oatmeal, barley, beef, bone marrow, brains, and haddock.  The 34 foods were selected because collectively they offered the complete set of nutrients needed by a growing person although of course they weren’t all served at once – about 10 were prepared and served at once to offer a wide variety of foods at each meal.

The nurses feeding the children were not allowed to directly offer or even suggest that the children try a particular food.  Only after the child reached for or pointed to a dish could the nurse put some food on a spoon and, if the child opened his mouth, put it in.  The nurse wasn’t allowed to comment on what the child ate or didn’t eat, attract his attention to food or refuse him any food.  The child could eat with his fingers if he wanted and no correction of his manners was offered.  The tray of food was taken away when the child had definitively stopped eating, usually after 20-25 minutes.

As Clara Mae Davis noted, the remarkable thing about the results in this study is that nothing remarkable happened.  All of the children had hearty appetites.  Constipation was never an issue and other than mild colds, they rarely got sick. Five children were malnourished at the beginning of the study and all were healthy by the end.  The children ate, on average, roughly the caloric intake recommended by both the nutritional standards in place at the time as well as the standards we use today.  Current  dietary guidelines published in 2010 state that children aged 1-3 should get 5-20% of their calories from protein, 45-65% from carbohydrates, and 30-40% from fat; the percentages shift slightly in favor of protein and away from fat for children 4-18 years old.  In Davis’ 1939 study the average distribution of calories per kilogram of body weight was 17% protein, 35% fat, and 48% carbohydrates.  Individual children might have had protein intakes as low as 9% or as high as 20% – all still within the dietary guidelines.  So the children in Davis’ study met dietary guidelines developed sixty years afterwards, with all of the knowledge we have now and didn’t have then about how the body works, and they did this by themselves with no information or encouragement at all from anyone else, which I think is absolutely remarkable.

I should also say that, as you may have observed with your own children, the children in the study were consistently inconsistent with the types and amounts of foods that they ate.  One child had a pint of orange juice and liver for breakfast; another had several eggs, bananas, and milk for dessert.  No single meal was what we would think of as “balanced” when we put a plate of meat, potatoes, and vegetables down in front of our child – but the children’s diets were <em>on average</em> extremely well-balanced.

Now the kicker in all of this <em>for us</em>, of course, is that the children didn’t have unlimited availability of all kinds of food.  Vegetarians and vegans might argue with me about the health properties of animal products but the foods presented to the children in the study were selected because together they provided the complete set of nutrients the children needed.  Cereals were whole grains; no sugar or salt was added, butter, cream, and cheese weren’t used, and no canned foods were allowed.  Does that sound like the kind of food you eat at your house?  We do pretty well on the whole grains, but we certainly use all of the other foods that Davis banned from her study.  So if we accept that children can eat a healthy diet if they are presented with only healthy food, our task now is to try to understand how to apply this knowledge in the real world of our everyday lives today.

I did a literature review for a paper for the Masters degree in Psychology that I’m working on and I couldn’t find any study that definitively shows what kind of behavior or actions parents can use that will have the outcome of children eating balanced diets in the short- and long-terms, largely because longitudinal studies are really rare (because they’re expensive and you don’t get to publish the results for a long time) and they generally don’t establish causation either.  But I did find a slew of other studies that can help us to understand how to support the development of healthy eating habit in our children.

Leann Birch at the University of Georgia seems to be a luminary scholar in this field; if you check out the references for this episode you’ll find that around half of them have her name attached to them – and I wasn’t specifically searching for her work.  She and Jennifer Fisher at Temple University conducted a review of studies related to the development of eating behaviors in children that I’ll delve into in detail, pulling in the results from other studies as well.  Birch and Fisher start by noting the prevalence of obesity in children, some – but not all – of which can be explained by genetics; some of the rest of the explanation could be related to similarities in diet of parents and children: so if parents eat a lot of high-fat food then children are likely to have high-fat food available to them as well..  They note that very little research has been conducted that looks both at energy intake and expenditure, and it takes both sides of that equation to really understand obesity.  Children in the U.S. tend to eat too much fat and not enough complex carbohydrates, which is why public health messages now focus on increasing the amount of fruit, vegetables, and whole grains instead of just eating less fat.

But other studies have found that the only significant predictor of increased fruit and vegetable consumption is a preference for fruits and vegetables – in other words, children who like fruits and vegetables eat fruits and vegetables.  So what causes children to like fruits and vegetables?  There’s evidence from several studies that these preferences are formed very early on in children (and also rats) who are breastfed, as children are exposed to the flavors of their mother’s diet through the milk, and as a result breastfed infants initially show greater acceptance of new foods than formula-fed infants.

Once children start to wean they are predisposed to prefer sweet and salty tastes, and reject sour and bitter tastes.  They quickly learn to associate flavors with how they feel after eating (and they prefer foods that leave them feeling full).  I’m sure most parents realize that children are predisposed to reject new foods but one study found that 5-10 repeated opportunities to consume new foods can lead to increased acceptance.  So if your child says she doesn’t like a food the first time you offer it to her, keep trying.  Keep trying 5-10 times, and maybe one day she’ll just eat it.

Another big topic is modeling of eating behavior.  Since eating tends to be a social occasion for children, the social context of meals becomes a model for the child.  One study showed that when preschoolers watched other children choosing and eating vegetables that the observing child didn’t like, the observing child began to like the vegetable more and ate more of it.  Another found that toddlers put foods in their mouths more readily when their mothers put the same food in their mouths compared to when a stranger did, which may not come as a surprise to any parent whose child wants whatever they’re eating.  When my toddler sees me come out of the kitchen with a bowl in my hands she immediately says “Want some.  What is it?” – because she wants whatever I have before she even knows what it is.  Children also look to their parents to understand what is the right amount to eat.  Studies have shown that dieting daughters are more likely to have dieting mothers, and parents who eat a lot are more likely to have children who eat a lot.

I want to delve fairly deeply into the idea of parental control because I think it’s a strategy that a lot of parents try to use without knowing just how completely it can backfire.  Leann Birch has been active in this research as well and in general has found that the more we try to control children’s eating, the less control we seem to have over it.  For example, child-feeding strategies that encourage children to consume a particular food increase children’s dislike for that food, so by encouraging your child to eat more broccoli you decrease their liking for it, and we already saw that the only factor that predicts whether a child eats broccoli is whether she likes broccoli.  A survey of parents found that 40% spontaneously reported that restricting or forbidding the consumption of a certain food would decrease their child’s preference for that food, but research shows the exact opposite: when parents withhold a “bad” food children’s preference for that food increases and intake of the “bad” food can sometimes increase as well.   Esther Jansen and her colleagues at Maastrict University in The Netherlands managed to move beyond the correlations that these types of studies usually offer to demonstrating a causal link between parental control over children’s eating and children’s consumption of snack foods by testing whether prohibiting children from eating snack foods would lead to an increased desire for that food, followed by over-consumption once the restriction was removed.  The researchers provided children with two bowls of M&amp;Ms (one containing yellow and the other red M&amp;Ms), and two bowls of salty chips (one yellow; the other red).  Some children were instructed not to eat the red foods, were then asked how much they wanted to eat the red foods an how full they felt, and in a later test they were allowed to eat as much as they liked from any bowl.  These results were compared with those from children who were allowed to eat freely throughout the experiment.  The children who weren’t allowed to eat the red food consumed more of the red food in proportion to yellow foods, although they didn’t actually consume more food altogether.  And we should note that the authors of this study should be commended for demonstrating causation rather than just correlation, it isn’t clear to what extent the findings of this highly controlled lab study are applicable in a home setting where a wider variety of foods that may be equally unpalatable (like broccoli AND green beans) might the things children get to choose between.

And what about the issue of the amount children eat?  It turns out that even infants are capable of regulating their caloric intake.  One set of researchers added more or less formula to the bottles of six week-old infants, and found that the infants drank more of the formula that was more watery so their overall caloric intake was the same as the infants who drank less of a stronger solution.  But parents who bottle feed might inadvertently pressure their child to override the child’s hunger cues by getting the child to finish the last bit of liquid in the bottle – I remember doing this with my daughter as well when she drank pumped milk from a bottle.  You don’t want to waste something that’s such a hassle to get in the first place!  Leann Birch did another study that essentially replicated this with children who were eating solid food – they adjusted the fat and carbohydrate content of the first course of a meal to make it more or less energy dense, and then tested how many calories were eaten in a second course and in subsequent meals.  She, too, found that children were able to self-regulate their caloric intake both within the same meal and also across the remainder of the 24-hour period.  But when researchers asked parents to reward children for cleaning their plates, the children stopped responding to the different energy density of the foods and began eating more in response to the rewards.  Another set of researchers noticed that parental prompts to eat were correlated with both time spent eating and the level of obesity in children, and also that these prompts to eat almost always followed food refusals by the child.  So the child says she’s not hungry; the]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/007-help-toddler-wont-eat-vegetables]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1297</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2016 03:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c62f3770-f09e-4b84-a008-351a818d0945/007-help-my-toddler-wont-eat-vegetables-v2.mp3" length="25002401" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>16:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>006: Wait, is my toddler racist?</title><itunes:title>006: Wait, is my toddler racist?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

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I’d always assumed that if I didn’t mention race to my daughter, if it was just a <em>non-issue</em>, that she wouldn’t grow up to be racist. Boy, was I wrong about that. It turns out that our brains are wired to make generalizations about people, and race is a pretty obviously noticeable way of categorizing people. If your child is older than three, try tearing a few pictures of White people and a few more of Black people out of a magazine and ask him to group them any way he likes. Based on the research, I’d put money on him sorting the pictures by race.

So what have we learned about reversing racism once it has already developed? How can we prevent our children from becoming racist in the first place? And where do they learn these things anyway? (Surprise: “We have met the enemy, and he is us.”)

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:37 Introduction of episode
02:03 The premise of Vedantam's book The Hidden Brain
02:51 Brain processors that happened using unconscious awareness
05:05 What happens to people after being caught making racist comments
08:36 Colorblind approach socialization
15:00 The literature on attempts to reverse bias in children
23:07 Advice for parents about the episode

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<strong>References</strong>

Aboud, F.E. (2003). The formation of in-group favoritism and out-group prejudice in children: Are they distinct attitudes? <em>Developmental Psychology 39</em>(1), 48-60.

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Bigler, R. (1999). The user of multicultural curricula and materials to counter racism in children. <em>Journal of Social Issues 55</em>(4), 687-705.

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Castelli, L., Zogmaister, C., &amp; Tomelleri, S. (2009). The transmission of racial attitudes within the family. <em>Developmental Psychology 45</em>(2), 586-591.

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Faber, J. (2006). “Kramer” apologizes, says he’s not racist. CBS News. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kramer-apologizes-says-hes-not-racist/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kramer-apologizes-says-hes-not-racist/</a>

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Frontline (1985). A class divided. Available at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/class-divided/

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Hebl, M.R., Foster, J.B., Mannix, L.M., &amp; Fovidio, J.F. (2002). Formal and interpersonal discrimination: A field study of bias toward homosexual applicants. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 28</em>(6), 815-825. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mikki_Hebl/publication/252443069_Formal_and_Interpersonal_Discrimination_A_Field_Study_of_Bias_Toward_Homosexual_Applicants/links/55a760f108ae410caa752c8c.pdf

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Hebl, M.R., &amp; Mannix, L.M. (2003). The weight of obesity in evaluating others: A mere proximity effect. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 29</em>(1), 28-38. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mikki_Hebl/publication/8436667_The_Weight_of_Obesity_in_Evaluating_Others_A_Mere_Proximity_Effect/links/55a760fb08aeb4e8e646e81f.pdf

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Hebl, M.R., &amp; Xu, J. (2001). Weighing the care: Physicians’ reactions to the size of a patient. <em>International Journal of Obesity 25,</em> 1246-1252.

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Pahlke, E., Bigler, R.S., &amp; Suizzo, M.A. (2012). Relations between colorblind socialization and children’s racial bias: Evidence from European American mothers and their preschool children. Child Development 83(4), 1164-1179. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224853709_Relations_Between_Colorblind_Socialization_and_Children%27s_Racial_Bias_Evidence_From_European_American_Mothers_and_Their_Preschool_Children" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224853709_Relations_Between_Colorblind_Socialization_and_Children%27s_Racial_Bias_Evidence_From_European_American_Mothers_and_Their_Preschool_Children</a>

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Piaget, J. (1950). The child’s conception of the world. New York: Humanities Press.

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Piaget, J. (1970). Piaget’s theory. In P.H. Mussen (ed.), <em>Carmichael’s manual of child psychology</em> (p.703-732). New York: Wiley.

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Priest, N., Walton, J., White, F., Kowal, E., Baker, A., &amp; Parides, Y. (2014). Understanding the complexities of ethnic-racial socialization processes for both minority and majority groups: A 30-year systematic review. <em>International Journal of Intercultural Relations 43</em>, 139-155.

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TMZ (2012). Michael Richards spews racist hate. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0</a>

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Vedantam, S. (2010). <em>The hidden brain</em>. New York: Spiegel and Grau.

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von Hippel, W., Silver, L.A., &amp; Lynch, M.E. (2000). Stereotyping against your will: The role of inhibitory ability in stereotyping and prejudice among the elderly. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 26</em>(5), 523-532. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William_Von_Hippel/publication/255604292_Stereotyping_Against_Your_Will_The_Role_of_Inhibitory_Ability_in_Stereotyping_and_Prejudice_among_the_Elderly/links/5475035a0cf245eb43707162.pdf

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Weber, S., &amp; Meilan, I. (2015). Michael Richards: My racist outburst during 2006 stand-up gig was a “reality check.” Us Magazine. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michael-richards-my-racist-outburst-in-2006-was-a-reality-check-20152310" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michael-richards-my-racist-outburst-in-2006-was-a-reality-check-20152310</a>

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Weiner, M.J., &amp; Wright, F.E. (1973). Effects of undergoing arbitrary discrimination upon subsequent attitudes toward a minority group. <em>Journal of Applied Psychology 3</em>(1), 94-102.

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It seems like I hardly ever read for pleasure any more. With this master’s degree in Psychology that I’m doing plus writing podcast episodes the stack of books next to my bed is getting so high that I have to climb around them to get in and out. But someone I contacted about research on toddlers’ eating habits was kind enough to give me some unsolicited advice in addition to the information on who’s doing current work on toddlers and food – a couple of books to read to give me insight into authors who are able to take scientific work and make it accessible. One of them is Shankar Vedantam; he’s a columnist at the Washington Post and his book is called The Hidden Brain, and in reading it I got an idea for this podcast episode. I and a lot of parents I know are interested in bringing up our children not to be racist. But how do we go about doing that? My assumption was that if you just don’t talk about racism; if it becomes a non-issue, then my daughter won’t grow up to be racist. Shankar Vedantam tells me I’m dead wrong, so in this episode I’ll dig into the reasons behind that and what we really should be teaching our children if we want to teach them how to build this post-racial society that we’d like to have one day. I should say now that I’ll examine the issue from the perspective of a White parent looking to try to avoid her half-White daughter from becoming racist; the way Black parents approach this may be quite different due to their history as the discriminated-against group rather than the group “in power,” as it were.

The premise of Vedantam’s book is that our actions are controlled in large part by our unconscious brains. We like to think we’re making conscious decisions based on our knowledge and rational interpretation of information but in fact a large part of the decisions we make are based on what Vadantam calls Unconscious Bias. He’s not using that term to mean prejudice, but rather any situation where people’s actions are at odds with their intentions. Now you, like me, might think this doesn’t describe you. I’m sure you think *your* decisions are based on rational information just like I do. But scientific research has shown that for the vast majority of the population – and really, there’s no reason to believe that you and I aren’t like the vast majority of the population in most aspects – have unconscious biases and don’t even realize it. I’m assuming you’re going to need some convincing of this (just like I did) so here are a few examples.

So there are brain activities that lie outside of your conscious awareness – you don’t have to think about breathing; you just do it. You *can* think about it if you want to, but you don’t stop breathing if you stop thinking about it. When you first learned to read you probably read very slowly, sounding out each letter and gradually combining them in to words – k-a-t becomes cat. You’ll likely be able to revisit this process with your own toddler soon if he or she isn’t reading yet. Over time reading became more fluid to you as the process got embedded into your unconscious brain – you don’t have to sound out each letter any more and you might even be able to skim whole sentences or paragraphs and understand their meaning. Have you ever gotten angry at someone without realizing how it happened so quickly? Or locked eyes on someone from the other side of a bar and had your heart leap – not because you mentally compared a list of that person’s features to the features you find attractive but just because there was some spark between the two of you?

A researcher named Mikki Hebl has been especially active in producing research on unconscious bias. She sent actors with hidden tape recorders...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>This episode is part of a series on understanding the intersection of race, privilege, and parenting.  <a href="https://yourparentingmojo.com/race/">Click here to view all the items in this series.</a></strong>

<hr />

I’d always assumed that if I didn’t mention race to my daughter, if it was just a <em>non-issue</em>, that she wouldn’t grow up to be racist. Boy, was I wrong about that. It turns out that our brains are wired to make generalizations about people, and race is a pretty obviously noticeable way of categorizing people. If your child is older than three, try tearing a few pictures of White people and a few more of Black people out of a magazine and ask him to group them any way he likes. Based on the research, I’d put money on him sorting the pictures by race.

So what have we learned about reversing racism once it has already developed? How can we prevent our children from becoming racist in the first place? And where do they learn these things anyway? (Surprise: “We have met the enemy, and he is us.”)

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:37 Introduction of episode
02:03 The premise of Vedantam's book The Hidden Brain
02:51 Brain processors that happened using unconscious awareness
05:05 What happens to people after being caught making racist comments
08:36 Colorblind approach socialization
15:00 The literature on attempts to reverse bias in children
23:07 Advice for parents about the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Aboud, F.E. (2003). The formation of in-group favoritism and out-group prejudice in children: Are they distinct attitudes? <em>Developmental Psychology 39</em>(1), 48-60.

<hr />

Bigler, R. (1999). The user of multicultural curricula and materials to counter racism in children. <em>Journal of Social Issues 55</em>(4), 687-705.

<hr />

Castelli, L., Zogmaister, C., &amp; Tomelleri, S. (2009). The transmission of racial attitudes within the family. <em>Developmental Psychology 45</em>(2), 586-591.

<hr />

Faber, J. (2006). “Kramer” apologizes, says he’s not racist. CBS News. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kramer-apologizes-says-hes-not-racist/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kramer-apologizes-says-hes-not-racist/</a>

<hr />

Frontline (1985). A class divided. Available at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/class-divided/

<hr />

Hebl, M.R., Foster, J.B., Mannix, L.M., &amp; Fovidio, J.F. (2002). Formal and interpersonal discrimination: A field study of bias toward homosexual applicants. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 28</em>(6), 815-825. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mikki_Hebl/publication/252443069_Formal_and_Interpersonal_Discrimination_A_Field_Study_of_Bias_Toward_Homosexual_Applicants/links/55a760f108ae410caa752c8c.pdf

<hr />

Hebl, M.R., &amp; Mannix, L.M. (2003). The weight of obesity in evaluating others: A mere proximity effect. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 29</em>(1), 28-38. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mikki_Hebl/publication/8436667_The_Weight_of_Obesity_in_Evaluating_Others_A_Mere_Proximity_Effect/links/55a760fb08aeb4e8e646e81f.pdf

<hr />

Hebl, M.R., &amp; Xu, J. (2001). Weighing the care: Physicians’ reactions to the size of a patient. <em>International Journal of Obesity 25,</em> 1246-1252.

<hr />

Pahlke, E., Bigler, R.S., &amp; Suizzo, M.A. (2012). Relations between colorblind socialization and children’s racial bias: Evidence from European American mothers and their preschool children. Child Development 83(4), 1164-1179. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224853709_Relations_Between_Colorblind_Socialization_and_Children%27s_Racial_Bias_Evidence_From_European_American_Mothers_and_Their_Preschool_Children" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224853709_Relations_Between_Colorblind_Socialization_and_Children%27s_Racial_Bias_Evidence_From_European_American_Mothers_and_Their_Preschool_Children</a>

<hr />

Piaget, J. (1950). The child’s conception of the world. New York: Humanities Press.

<hr />

Piaget, J. (1970). Piaget’s theory. In P.H. Mussen (ed.), <em>Carmichael’s manual of child psychology</em> (p.703-732). New York: Wiley.

<hr />

Priest, N., Walton, J., White, F., Kowal, E., Baker, A., &amp; Parides, Y. (2014). Understanding the complexities of ethnic-racial socialization processes for both minority and majority groups: A 30-year systematic review. <em>International Journal of Intercultural Relations 43</em>, 139-155.

<hr />

TMZ (2012). Michael Richards spews racist hate. Retrieved from: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0</a>

<hr />

Vedantam, S. (2010). <em>The hidden brain</em>. New York: Spiegel and Grau.

<hr />

von Hippel, W., Silver, L.A., &amp; Lynch, M.E. (2000). Stereotyping against your will: The role of inhibitory ability in stereotyping and prejudice among the elderly. <em>Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin 26</em>(5), 523-532. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William_Von_Hippel/publication/255604292_Stereotyping_Against_Your_Will_The_Role_of_Inhibitory_Ability_in_Stereotyping_and_Prejudice_among_the_Elderly/links/5475035a0cf245eb43707162.pdf

<hr />

Weber, S., &amp; Meilan, I. (2015). Michael Richards: My racist outburst during 2006 stand-up gig was a “reality check.” Us Magazine. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michael-richards-my-racist-outburst-in-2006-was-a-reality-check-20152310" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michael-richards-my-racist-outburst-in-2006-was-a-reality-check-20152310</a>

<hr />

Weiner, M.J., &amp; Wright, F.E. (1973). Effects of undergoing arbitrary discrimination upon subsequent attitudes toward a minority group. <em>Journal of Applied Psychology 3</em>(1), 94-102.

&nbsp;

[accordion]

[accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"]
It seems like I hardly ever read for pleasure any more. With this master’s degree in Psychology that I’m doing plus writing podcast episodes the stack of books next to my bed is getting so high that I have to climb around them to get in and out. But someone I contacted about research on toddlers’ eating habits was kind enough to give me some unsolicited advice in addition to the information on who’s doing current work on toddlers and food – a couple of books to read to give me insight into authors who are able to take scientific work and make it accessible. One of them is Shankar Vedantam; he’s a columnist at the Washington Post and his book is called The Hidden Brain, and in reading it I got an idea for this podcast episode. I and a lot of parents I know are interested in bringing up our children not to be racist. But how do we go about doing that? My assumption was that if you just don’t talk about racism; if it becomes a non-issue, then my daughter won’t grow up to be racist. Shankar Vedantam tells me I’m dead wrong, so in this episode I’ll dig into the reasons behind that and what we really should be teaching our children if we want to teach them how to build this post-racial society that we’d like to have one day. I should say now that I’ll examine the issue from the perspective of a White parent looking to try to avoid her half-White daughter from becoming racist; the way Black parents approach this may be quite different due to their history as the discriminated-against group rather than the group “in power,” as it were.

The premise of Vedantam’s book is that our actions are controlled in large part by our unconscious brains. We like to think we’re making conscious decisions based on our knowledge and rational interpretation of information but in fact a large part of the decisions we make are based on what Vadantam calls Unconscious Bias. He’s not using that term to mean prejudice, but rather any situation where people’s actions are at odds with their intentions. Now you, like me, might think this doesn’t describe you. I’m sure you think *your* decisions are based on rational information just like I do. But scientific research has shown that for the vast majority of the population – and really, there’s no reason to believe that you and I aren’t like the vast majority of the population in most aspects – have unconscious biases and don’t even realize it. I’m assuming you’re going to need some convincing of this (just like I did) so here are a few examples.

So there are brain activities that lie outside of your conscious awareness – you don’t have to think about breathing; you just do it. You *can* think about it if you want to, but you don’t stop breathing if you stop thinking about it. When you first learned to read you probably read very slowly, sounding out each letter and gradually combining them in to words – k-a-t becomes cat. You’ll likely be able to revisit this process with your own toddler soon if he or she isn’t reading yet. Over time reading became more fluid to you as the process got embedded into your unconscious brain – you don’t have to sound out each letter any more and you might even be able to skim whole sentences or paragraphs and understand their meaning. Have you ever gotten angry at someone without realizing how it happened so quickly? Or locked eyes on someone from the other side of a bar and had your heart leap – not because you mentally compared a list of that person’s features to the features you find attractive but just because there was some spark between the two of you?

A researcher named Mikki Hebl has been especially active in producing research on unconscious bias. She sent actors with hidden tape recorders to stores to apply for jobs, either pretending to be straight or homosexual. None of the “homosexuals” experienced overt discrimination but the potential employers were more verbally standoffish, nervous, and hostile with the gay candidates. The employers spent less time with the gay candidates and used fewer words when interacting with them. She gave charts of fictitious patients who complained of migraines to doctors; some of the patients were average weight, some were overweight, and some were obese. The doctors indicated they would send less time with the heavier patients and viewed them significantly more negatively on 12 of 13 criteria related to their feelings about and behavior toward the patients. And you don’t even have to be fat yourself to be negatively impacted – a male job applicant was perceived to have lower professional and interpersonal skills when he sat in the waiting room next to an overweight woman rather than a normal weight woman.

I was interested to see that in none of Hebl’s experiments did she try to go back to the people who were experimented on and ask them why they might have acted the way they did – maybe because the subjects would have been less than thrilled to know they were part of an experiment that was going to show them as biased in some way. But one way we can try to understand the impact that the unconscious brain has in these kinds of situations is to see what happens after people are caught making racist comments. It seems that these people aren’t especially racist and, when asked, explicitly say that they are not racist. In their conscious minds they probably aren’t racist but when some kind of stressful situation occurs, their unconscious brains take over and the truth comes out.

Some of you might remember that Michael Richards, who played Kramer on Seinfeld, was recorded making an extraordinary tirade against a Black man who had heckled him (there’s a link to the video in the references; just make sure your kids aren’t around when you watch it). When he appeared on the David Letterman show not long afterward he apologized and said. An article on CBS news said “Richards seemed baffled by his own reaction on stage.

“I’m not a racist, that’s what’s so insane about this,” he said.” Talking about the incident some years later he said “I’d only been doing stand-up at the time that situation happened about seven or eight months and I just lost my patience that night because people were heckling me and not letting me work on my material and I lost my cool.” – this was the stressful situation that caused his conscious brain to get distracted and the thoughts in his unconscious brain to come out. But Shankar Vendantam says that “Most Americans think of Richards’ views as abhorrent – and they are. But unpleasant and inaccurate associations lie within all of us, which is why when we see someone slip, or reaction should not be “We finally caught that racist bastard!” but “there, but for the grace of God, go I.” We convince ourselves that biased attitudes are the exception when actually they’re the norm – among all of us, not just White people. We often see elderly people as more biased than us, and a scientist named William von Hippel did some experiments to find out why that is. He found evidence for bias coming from the fact that elderly people grew up in a time when bias was more acceptable, but they express their racism because as people get older their brains get worse at inhibiting behaviors that we might think of as undesirable. Their conscious mind might know that it’s “wrong” to express racist thoughts but as soon as their conscious mind gets distracted, the unconscious ideas come out.

So all of this brings us now to children. A researcher named Frances Aboud at McGill University in Montreal showed preschoolers drawings of Black, White, and what she called “Native Indian” people. She gave them cards with statements on that were either positive or negative – things like “this person is clean; they never forget to wash their hands before eating.” “This person is kind – they bring flowers to their teachers.” “This person is cruel –they sometimes throw rocks at little cats.” “This person is naughty and does things like draw on the wall with crayons.” Who does these things?  Aboud found that 70% of the children assigned nearly every positive adjective to the White faces, and nearly every negative one to the Black faces. Remember, these were preschoolers tested in a daycare – the children were aged between 3 years 9 months and almost 7. Shankar Vendatam goes on to describe more research that Frances Aboud has conducted where she told children a story about two White boys and one Black boy who played on a boat, and the Black boy rescued the White boys, children misremembered the story and thought that one of the White boys did the rescuing. She also found there was no correlation between the views of the children and their parents, and neither was there one between the children and their teachers. They weren’t being drip-fed racist attitudes (at least as far as the researchers could tell; it would take a pretty bold parent to report racist views on a study of racism). So where were these racist attitudes coming from? And what can parents do to try to instill non-racist attitudes in children?

I looked beyond The Hidden Brain book for answers to this question because I didn’t want to assume that Vendatam was right in his assumption that it was the children’s hidden brains at work. I also wanted to know more about how to circumvent the inevitability of racist toddlers and he doesn’t give us much information about how to do that.

Most White parents think that if they just don’t mention race, then their children won’t be racist. It’s called the “colorblind” approach to socialization. In one study I found the researcher asked White American mothers to read race-themed books to 4 and 5-year old children to see how the mothers would explain ideas about race to their children. One of these books was “What if the Zebras lost their stripes,” which is a book that was specially written to help children think about racial issues – one page asks “Could Black and White friends still hold hands?” As they were reading the book, only 11% of mothers mentioned interracial interactions among people. Far more drew analogies between the black and white zebras and different colored animals. The mothers reported that they didn’t often provide race-related messages to their children. When the children reading the books were asked if the different colored zebras could still be friends and the children said “no,” the mothers usually just kept reading the book. This could explain why children don’t understand that their parents don’t hold different beliefs about race from them – because their parents don’t say anything to indicate that that may be the case. On the flipside, the mothers expressed shock that their children could even differentiate people by race – but 83 of 84 children were able to correctly label a group of photos as being of European American or African American people (the one child who didn’t said all people had “yellow” skin).

Phyllis Katz, who has been studying the process through which children develop racist attitudes, has commented that “people unfamiliar with the psychological literature typically hold two beliefs about racial prejudice. First and foremost, they believe that young children are inherently color-blind and do not notice racial differences unless they are pointed out. The second popular belief is that children would never develop race bias if they were not explicitly taught this by their parents.” As I’m sure you’re by now willing to believe, the research shows popular belief to be wrong on both counts.

Katz found that babies develop some understanding about race at a very early age. The typical way to test what an infant is capable of doing is to see how long they look at something. Katz conducted an incredible longitudinal study of 200 children, half Black, half White, following them from age 6 months to 6 years. She showed White and Black babies a series of pictures of people of their own race followed by one of the other race, and found that the babies looked for longer at the opposite-race faces. She hypothesized that it has something to do with the diversity of the child’s environment – Black children in Colorado, where she works, have a greater chance of living in a racially diverse environment than Whites. Between 18 and 30 months of age, she saw a liner increase in the preferences of both Black and White children to self-label, sort dolls and pictures by race, and select Black or White dolls in response to instructions. White children continue to do this as they got older but Black children actually did this less. At age three, both Black and White children showed a mild same-group preference, meaning they would prefer to socialize with members of their own race, and this increased at ages five and six for White children but drastically decreased for Black children.

Katz and her colleagues asked children to select potential playmates from photographs. At 30 months old, Black children chose more same-race potential playmates than Whites. But at three years, 86% of the White children wanted same-race playmates compared with 32% of Black children. At every age that was tested, the White children had more same-race friends than Black children, and this disparity only increased with age. When children were asked to sort pictures of Black and White people in any way they liked, 68% of the children sorted into racial groups, while 16% sorted into gender groups.

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04:49 Example of scaffolding

08:55 To many cultures scaffolding is neither needed nor used

09:37 Difference between experience expectant behavior and experience-dependent behavior

13:55 Components on how to scaffold learning

17:06 Conclusion of the episode

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<strong>References</strong>

Berk, L.E., &amp; Winsler, A. (1995). Scaffolding children’s learning: Vygotsky and Early Childhood Education. Washington, D.C.: National Association for the Education of Young Children.

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Brown, J.S., Collins, A., &amp; Duguid, P. (1989). <em>Situated cognition and the culture of learning. Educational Researcher 18</em>(4), 32-42.

<hr />

Courtin (2000). The impact of sign language on the cognitive development of deaf children: The case of theories of mind. <em>Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education 5</em>,3 266-276. Retrieved from: <a href="http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/3/266.full.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/3/266.full.pdf</a>

<hr />

Greenough, W.T., Black, J.E., &amp; Wallace, C.S. (1987). Experience and Brain Development. <em>Child Development 58,</em> 539-559. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Black11/publication/20116762_Experience_and_Brain_Development/links/552b9d830cf21acb091e4d90.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Black11/publication/20116762_Experience_and_Brain_Development/links/552b9d830cf21acb091e4d90.pdf</a>

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Hirsh-Pasek, K. &amp; Golinkoff, R.M. (2003). Einstein never used flash cards. Emmaus, PA: Rodale.

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Johnson, J.S. &amp; Newport, E.L. (1989). Critical period effects in second language learning: The influence of maturational stage on the acquisition of English as a second language. Cognitive Psychology 21, 60-99. Full article available at: <a href="http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~siegler/JohnsnNewprt89.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~siegler/JohnsnNewprt89.pdf</a>

<hr />

Lancy, D.F. (2015). The Anthropology of Childhood: Cherubs, Chattel, Changelings. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press

<hr />

McCarthy, E.M. (1992). Anatomy of a teaching interaction: The components of teaching in the ZPD. Paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Educational Research Association, April, San Francisco, CA.

<hr />

Pratt, M.W., Green, D., MacVicar, J., &amp; Bountrogianni, M. (1992). The mathematical parent: Parental scaffolding, parent style, and learning outcomes in long-division mathematics homework. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 13, </em>17-34. Retrieved from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019339739290003Z

<hr />

Roberts, R.N. &amp; Barnes, M.L. (1992). “Let momma show you how”: Maternal-child interactions and their effects on children’s cognitive performance. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 13</em>, 363-376. Retrieved from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019339739290036H

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Thompson, R.A., &amp; Nelson, C. (2001). Developmental science and the media: Early brain development. <em>American Psychologist 55</em>(1) 5-15. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12089227_Developmental_Science_and_the_Media_Early_Brain_Development]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[When I started talking with people about the idea for this podcast, one theme that came up consistently was the idea of supporting our children’s growth and development. A friend of mine summed it up most concisely and articulately by asking “how do I know when to lead and when I should step back and let my daughter lead?”

&nbsp;

This episode covers the concept of “scaffolding,” which is a method parents can use to observe and support their children’s development by providing just enough assistance to keep the child in their “Zone of Proximal Development.”

&nbsp;

This tool can help you to know you’re providing enough support…but not so much that your child will never learn to be self-sufficient.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:38 Introduction of episode

01:27 3 Theorists of learning and development

04:49 Example of scaffolding

08:55 To many cultures scaffolding is neither needed nor used

09:37 Difference between experience expectant behavior and experience-dependent behavior

13:55 Components on how to scaffold learning

17:06 Conclusion of the episode

&nbsp;

<strong>References</strong>

Berk, L.E., &amp; Winsler, A. (1995). Scaffolding children’s learning: Vygotsky and Early Childhood Education. Washington, D.C.: National Association for the Education of Young Children.

<hr />

Brown, J.S., Collins, A., &amp; Duguid, P. (1989). <em>Situated cognition and the culture of learning. Educational Researcher 18</em>(4), 32-42.

<hr />

Courtin (2000). The impact of sign language on the cognitive development of deaf children: The case of theories of mind. <em>Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education 5</em>,3 266-276. Retrieved from: <a href="http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/3/266.full.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/3/266.full.pdf</a>

<hr />

Greenough, W.T., Black, J.E., &amp; Wallace, C.S. (1987). Experience and Brain Development. <em>Child Development 58,</em> 539-559. Full article available at: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Black11/publication/20116762_Experience_and_Brain_Development/links/552b9d830cf21acb091e4d90.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Black11/publication/20116762_Experience_and_Brain_Development/links/552b9d830cf21acb091e4d90.pdf</a>

<hr />

Hirsh-Pasek, K. &amp; Golinkoff, R.M. (2003). Einstein never used flash cards. Emmaus, PA: Rodale.

<hr />

Johnson, J.S. &amp; Newport, E.L. (1989). Critical period effects in second language learning: The influence of maturational stage on the acquisition of English as a second language. Cognitive Psychology 21, 60-99. Full article available at: <a href="http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~siegler/JohnsnNewprt89.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~siegler/JohnsnNewprt89.pdf</a>

<hr />

Lancy, D.F. (2015). The Anthropology of Childhood: Cherubs, Chattel, Changelings. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press

<hr />

McCarthy, E.M. (1992). Anatomy of a teaching interaction: The components of teaching in the ZPD. Paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Educational Research Association, April, San Francisco, CA.

<hr />

Pratt, M.W., Green, D., MacVicar, J., &amp; Bountrogianni, M. (1992). The mathematical parent: Parental scaffolding, parent style, and learning outcomes in long-division mathematics homework. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 13, </em>17-34. Retrieved from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019339739290003Z

<hr />

Roberts, R.N. &amp; Barnes, M.L. (1992). “Let momma show you how”: Maternal-child interactions and their effects on children’s cognitive performance. <em>Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology 13</em>, 363-376. Retrieved from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019339739290036H

<hr />

Thompson, R.A., &amp; Nelson, C. (2001). Developmental science and the media: Early brain development. <em>American Psychologist 55</em>(1) 5-15. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12089227_Developmental_Science_and_the_Media_Early_Brain_Development]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/005-how-to-scaffold-childrens-learning]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1279</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2f4447aa-fb46-4b2f-80f3-92939334a015/scaffolding-childrens-learningmixdown.mp3" length="28751733" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>19:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>5</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/3060d77d-a384-40d9-aab5-8f87c1927508/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>004: How to encourage creativity and artistic ability in young children – Interview with Dr. Tara Callaghan</title><itunes:title>004: How to encourage creativity and artistic ability in young children – Interview with Dr. Tara Callaghan</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I’m so excited to welcome my first guest on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast: Professor Tara Callaghan of St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia.   Professor Callaghan has spent a great number of years studying the emergence of artistic ability in young children and she shares some of her insights with us.  This is a rather longer episode than usual so here are some places you might want to skip ahead to if you have specific interest:

[03:55]: The connection between individuality and creativity, especially in Western cultures

[09:00]: What is “symbolic representation” and why is the development of symbolic representation an important milestone for young children?

[12:10]: Is it helpful for parents to ask a child “What are you drawing?”

[15:25]: When do children understand symbols?

[31:15]: What can parents do to support children’s development of symbolic representation in particular and artistic ability in general?

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<strong>Dr. Tara Callaghan's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3GJz2Ja">Early social cognition in three cultural contexts</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Brownlee, P. (2016). Magic Places. Good Egg Books: Thames, NZ (must be ordered directly from the publisher in New Zealand; see: <a href="http://penniebrownlee.weebly.com/books.html">http://penniebrownlee.weebly.com/books.html</a>)

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Callaghan, T.C., Rackozy, H., Behne, T., Moll, H, Lizkowski, U., Warneken, F., &amp; Tomasello, (2011). Early social cognition in three cultural contexts. <em>Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development, 76(2), Serial Number 299.</em> h<a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mono.2011.76.issue-2/issuetoc">ttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mono.2011.76.issue-2/issuetoc</a>

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Callaghan, T. &amp; Corbit, J. (2015). The development of symbolic representation. In Vol. 2 (L. Liben &amp; U. Muller, Vol. Eds.) of the 7<sup>th</sup> Edition (R. Lerner, Series Ed) of the <em>Handbook</em><em> </em>of Child Psychology and Developmental Science (pp. 250-294). New York: Wiley.

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Callaghan, T., &amp; M. Rankin (2002). Emergence of graphic symbol functioning and the question of domain specificity: A longitudinal training study. Child Development, March/April 2002, 73:2, 359-376.

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Callaghan, T., P. Rochat &amp; J. Corbit (2012). Young children’s knowledge of the representational function of pictoral symbols: Development across the preschool years in three cultures.  Journal of Cognition and Development, 13:3, 320-353. Available at: <a href="http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/CALLAGHAN,%20ROCHAT,%20&amp;%20CORBIT,%202012.pdf">http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/CALLAGHAN,%20ROCHAT,%20&amp;%20CORBIT,%202012.pdf</a>

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DeLoache, J. S., (2004).  Becoming symbol-minded. <em>Trends in Cognitive Sciences, 8, </em>66-70. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661303003346">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661303003346</a>

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Frith, C., &amp; Frith, U. (2005). Theory of mind. Current Biology 15(17), R644.R645. Full article available at: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982205009607

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Ganea, P.A., M.A. Preissler, L. Butler, S. Carey, and J.S. DeLoache (2009). Toddlers’ referential understanding of pictures. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 104(3):283-295. Full article available at: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865246/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865246/</a>

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Golomb, C. (2003). The child’s creation of a pictoral world. London: Psychology Press.

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Jolley, R.P. (2010). Children and pictures: Drawing and understanding. Wiley-Blackwell, Cichester, England.

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Jolley, R. P. &amp; S. Rose (2008). The relationship between production and comprehension of representational drawing. In Children’s understanding and production of pictures, drawings, and art (C. Milbrath &amp; H.M. Trautner (Eds)). Boston, MA, Hogrefe Publishing.  Chapter available at: <a href="http://www.staffs.ac.uk/personal/sciences/rj2/publications/Jolley%20and%20Rose%20chapter.pdf">http://www.staffs.ac.uk/personal/sciences/rj2/publications/Jolley%20and%20Rose%20chapter.pdf</a>

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Kellogg, R. (1970). Analyzing Children’s Art. Mayfield Publishing Company, Mountain View, CA.

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Preissler, M.A., and P. Bloom. Two-year-olds use artist intention to understand drawings. Cognition 1[06:51]2-518. Full article available at: <a href="http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.522.4017&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf">http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.522.4017&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf</a>

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Rochat, P. &amp; T. Callaghan (2005). What drives symbolic development? The case of pictoral comprehension and production. In L. Namy (Ed.) Symbol use and symbolic representation. Mahwah, NJ, Lawrence Erlbaum Assoc. Chapter available at: <a href="http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/WhatDrivesSymbolicDevelopment.pdf">http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/WhatDrivesSymbolicDevelopment.pdf</a>

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Winner, E. (1985). Invented worlds: The psychology of the arts. Cambridge, MA: Harvard.

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Jen: 00:35

Hello! This is Jen Lumanlan of Your Parenting Mojo and I’m here with episode four on Creativity and Artistic Ability in Young Children. So the question that’s lovely, what is it seems to be one of the most asked by parents of children related related to young children’s drawings, but she’ll do children even know what IT is? I’m really excited to welcome my first guest on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast today, Professor Tara Callaghan. I went to start by introducing her by telling you a little bit about how we met. So I visited Reggio Emilia Italy in April 2016 because I wanted to learn more about the approach to early childhood education that was founded in that city. And before I went, I read a book called Magic Places by Penny Brownlee, which says that a parent shouldn’t ask what a scribbling child is drawing because they’re not drawing anything, they’re just scribbling. But in contrast, the people in Reggio Emilia, I believe that the children are “fully aware of the representative process” and that’s actually a quote from one of the practitioners there after I witnessed a group of under two year olds, I think they were about 18 months who had been given in a real orange and a set of orange paints and the toddler is we’re making orange paint marks on the paper because that was the only color that was available to them.

Jen: 01:45

And based on my reading of Magic Places, I queried whether the toddlers could possibly understand that they were being asked to represent the orange on the paper and clearly the director thought that they could. Her position was that even if the marks don’t look like an orange to us, the toddlers understand the marks as a representation of an orange. When I returned home, I started digging into the research on this topic and ultimately found a chapter that Professor Callahan authored a book called Children’s Understanding and Production of Pictures, Drawings and Art, and it was the most comprehensive, really insightful piece I’d read on that topic and she expressed a view that was quite different from what the Reggio practitioners believe. So I reached out to her and she was kind enough to actually spend quite a bit of time patiently answering my questions so I could write a very long blog post about it on my personal blog, which was actually the thing that made me realize that I should start a podcast.

Jen: 02:33

So it’s a formally introduce her: Professor Callaghan is Professor of Psychology at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia. She’s a developmental scientist working in the fields of symbolic and pro-social development from a cultural perspective. She received her Ph.D in psychology from Brown University and completed a postdoctoral fellowship at Yale University and she served as consulting editor for the journal Child Development, and she also coauthored a chapter on symbolic development in the new 2015 edition of the Handbook of Child Psychology and Developmental Science, which if you don’t happen to be familiar with, it is a pretty seminal work on the psychological development of young children. So thank you so much for joining us Dr Callaghan.

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Dr. Callaghan: 03:11

Oh my pleasure, Jen. My pleasure. So, thanks for the introduction. I might add to that that I am also very interested in cultural developmental psychology and so maybe some of that will come up as we talk a little bit more today, but one of the things that I’ve been doing for about the past decade is, is looking across cultures to help understand what children know, uh, as a result of the socialization that they get from parents and others in their culture compared to what, how we are built as humans, I guess. What is our human nature?

Jen: 03:54

Yeah. I’m actually very interested in that as well so do feel free to sprinkle that in as it comes up. Awesome. Okay. Well the first thing I wanted to ask you about is something that I hadn’t even considered until you kind of mentioned it as an offhand comment, as part of a larger discussion that we were having when we were emailing and you said that “creativity is highly valued in our society and is part of our individualistic orientation. Creativity that makes a difference in art, depends on the ability to do and see things differently and also have a command of the medium.” And it was the first part of that that, that really blew my mind. I really hadn’t considered the possibility that not all cultures value creativity equally. I just figured that if...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I’m so excited to welcome my first guest on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast: Professor Tara Callaghan of St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia.   Professor Callaghan has spent a great number of years studying the emergence of artistic ability in young children and she shares some of her insights with us.  This is a rather longer episode than usual so here are some places you might want to skip ahead to if you have specific interest:

[03:55]: The connection between individuality and creativity, especially in Western cultures

[09:00]: What is “symbolic representation” and why is the development of symbolic representation an important milestone for young children?

[12:10]: Is it helpful for parents to ask a child “What are you drawing?”

[15:25]: When do children understand symbols?

[31:15]: What can parents do to support children’s development of symbolic representation in particular and artistic ability in general?

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<strong>Dr. Tara Callaghan's Book</strong>

<a href="https://amzn.to/3GJz2Ja">Early social cognition in three cultural contexts</a> - Affiliate link

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<strong>References</strong>

Brownlee, P. (2016). Magic Places. Good Egg Books: Thames, NZ (must be ordered directly from the publisher in New Zealand; see: <a href="http://penniebrownlee.weebly.com/books.html">http://penniebrownlee.weebly.com/books.html</a>)

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Callaghan, T.C., Rackozy, H., Behne, T., Moll, H, Lizkowski, U., Warneken, F., &amp; Tomasello, (2011). Early social cognition in three cultural contexts. <em>Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development, 76(2), Serial Number 299.</em> h<a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mono.2011.76.issue-2/issuetoc">ttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mono.2011.76.issue-2/issuetoc</a>

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Callaghan, T. &amp; Corbit, J. (2015). The development of symbolic representation. In Vol. 2 (L. Liben &amp; U. Muller, Vol. Eds.) of the 7<sup>th</sup> Edition (R. Lerner, Series Ed) of the <em>Handbook</em><em> </em>of Child Psychology and Developmental Science (pp. 250-294). New York: Wiley.

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Callaghan, T., &amp; M. Rankin (2002). Emergence of graphic symbol functioning and the question of domain specificity: A longitudinal training study. Child Development, March/April 2002, 73:2, 359-376.

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Callaghan, T., P. Rochat &amp; J. Corbit (2012). Young children’s knowledge of the representational function of pictoral symbols: Development across the preschool years in three cultures.  Journal of Cognition and Development, 13:3, 320-353. Available at: <a href="http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/CALLAGHAN,%20ROCHAT,%20&amp;%20CORBIT,%202012.pdf">http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/CALLAGHAN,%20ROCHAT,%20&amp;%20CORBIT,%202012.pdf</a>

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DeLoache, J. S., (2004).  Becoming symbol-minded. <em>Trends in Cognitive Sciences, 8, </em>66-70. Retrieved from: <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661303003346">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661303003346</a>

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Frith, C., &amp; Frith, U. (2005). Theory of mind. Current Biology 15(17), R644.R645. Full article available at: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982205009607

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Ganea, P.A., M.A. Preissler, L. Butler, S. Carey, and J.S. DeLoache (2009). Toddlers’ referential understanding of pictures. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 104(3):283-295. Full article available at: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865246/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865246/</a>

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Golomb, C. (2003). The child’s creation of a pictoral world. London: Psychology Press.

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Jolley, R.P. (2010). Children and pictures: Drawing and understanding. Wiley-Blackwell, Cichester, England.

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Jolley, R. P. &amp; S. Rose (2008). The relationship between production and comprehension of representational drawing. In Children’s understanding and production of pictures, drawings, and art (C. Milbrath &amp; H.M. Trautner (Eds)). Boston, MA, Hogrefe Publishing.  Chapter available at: <a href="http://www.staffs.ac.uk/personal/sciences/rj2/publications/Jolley%20and%20Rose%20chapter.pdf">http://www.staffs.ac.uk/personal/sciences/rj2/publications/Jolley%20and%20Rose%20chapter.pdf</a>

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Kellogg, R. (1970). Analyzing Children’s Art. Mayfield Publishing Company, Mountain View, CA.

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Preissler, M.A., and P. Bloom. Two-year-olds use artist intention to understand drawings. Cognition 1[06:51]2-518. Full article available at: <a href="http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.522.4017&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf">http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.522.4017&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf</a>

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Rochat, P. &amp; T. Callaghan (2005). What drives symbolic development? The case of pictoral comprehension and production. In L. Namy (Ed.) Symbol use and symbolic representation. Mahwah, NJ, Lawrence Erlbaum Assoc. Chapter available at: <a href="http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/WhatDrivesSymbolicDevelopment.pdf">http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/WhatDrivesSymbolicDevelopment.pdf</a>

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Winner, E. (1985). Invented worlds: The psychology of the arts. Cambridge, MA: Harvard.

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Jen: 00:35

Hello! This is Jen Lumanlan of Your Parenting Mojo and I’m here with episode four on Creativity and Artistic Ability in Young Children. So the question that’s lovely, what is it seems to be one of the most asked by parents of children related related to young children’s drawings, but she’ll do children even know what IT is? I’m really excited to welcome my first guest on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast today, Professor Tara Callaghan. I went to start by introducing her by telling you a little bit about how we met. So I visited Reggio Emilia Italy in April 2016 because I wanted to learn more about the approach to early childhood education that was founded in that city. And before I went, I read a book called Magic Places by Penny Brownlee, which says that a parent shouldn’t ask what a scribbling child is drawing because they’re not drawing anything, they’re just scribbling. But in contrast, the people in Reggio Emilia, I believe that the children are “fully aware of the representative process” and that’s actually a quote from one of the practitioners there after I witnessed a group of under two year olds, I think they were about 18 months who had been given in a real orange and a set of orange paints and the toddler is we’re making orange paint marks on the paper because that was the only color that was available to them.

Jen: 01:45

And based on my reading of Magic Places, I queried whether the toddlers could possibly understand that they were being asked to represent the orange on the paper and clearly the director thought that they could. Her position was that even if the marks don’t look like an orange to us, the toddlers understand the marks as a representation of an orange. When I returned home, I started digging into the research on this topic and ultimately found a chapter that Professor Callahan authored a book called Children’s Understanding and Production of Pictures, Drawings and Art, and it was the most comprehensive, really insightful piece I’d read on that topic and she expressed a view that was quite different from what the Reggio practitioners believe. So I reached out to her and she was kind enough to actually spend quite a bit of time patiently answering my questions so I could write a very long blog post about it on my personal blog, which was actually the thing that made me realize that I should start a podcast.

Jen: 02:33

So it’s a formally introduce her: Professor Callaghan is Professor of Psychology at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia. She’s a developmental scientist working in the fields of symbolic and pro-social development from a cultural perspective. She received her Ph.D in psychology from Brown University and completed a postdoctoral fellowship at Yale University and she served as consulting editor for the journal Child Development, and she also coauthored a chapter on symbolic development in the new 2015 edition of the Handbook of Child Psychology and Developmental Science, which if you don’t happen to be familiar with, it is a pretty seminal work on the psychological development of young children. So thank you so much for joining us Dr Callaghan.

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Dr. Callaghan: 03:11

Oh my pleasure, Jen. My pleasure. So, thanks for the introduction. I might add to that that I am also very interested in cultural developmental psychology and so maybe some of that will come up as we talk a little bit more today, but one of the things that I’ve been doing for about the past decade is, is looking across cultures to help understand what children know, uh, as a result of the socialization that they get from parents and others in their culture compared to what, how we are built as humans, I guess. What is our human nature?

Jen: 03:54

Yeah. I’m actually very interested in that as well so do feel free to sprinkle that in as it comes up. Awesome. Okay. Well the first thing I wanted to ask you about is something that I hadn’t even considered until you kind of mentioned it as an offhand comment, as part of a larger discussion that we were having when we were emailing and you said that “creativity is highly valued in our society and is part of our individualistic orientation. Creativity that makes a difference in art, depends on the ability to do and see things differently and also have a command of the medium.” And it was the first part of that that, that really blew my mind. I really hadn’t considered the possibility that not all cultures value creativity equally. I just figured that if everybody had access to crayons and paper, everybody would give their child crayons and paper and we pretty much do the same thing as I do with my child. So I wonder if you could tell me a bit more about this.

Dr. Callaghan: 04:44

Yeah, I think that what, what I was focused on was, was thinking about how we define creativity in our own society and by our own, I’m talking about a kind of middle class, North American, European, Euro-centric kind of um, uh, what is typically called the Western orientation. So in the West we’re well known for valuing independence and independent thought and if you are in a society that values that, then a lot of different things including creativity, get defined in a way that meets those societal goals. And then if you’re a parent, you’re trying to, without really even being aware of this, you are instilling the cultural values in your children as you parent them. So I think in different art forms it’s maybe more or less true, but I, my observation of, of art and my experience with art in our culture is that to get ahead, you have to be different from somebody else.

Dr. Callaghan: 05:52

You have to be contributing a new perspective or a new discovery, that sort of thing. And that’s also the case in science really, that we really are pushing to individuals to contribute something that’s brand new. So when I say that it’s highly valued, I think creativity is highly valued in probably every culture, but it may be defined and what, what constitutes or how the process of creativity may be seen to be a different. Back to your issue about creativity and crayons and giving. It really comes down to what the parents’ goals are in that society. And India is not a society, it’s a multitude of societies. Canada, likewise; U.S. likewise. So when you try to think about a parent helping a child become creative, you’ve got to know what that parents’ aims are, what are their parenting goals there? And part of that, uh, those goals will be shaped by the society they find themselves in and you may find more of a, um, a goal in, in the US and Canada in counteracting the larger society goals. So you might want to do things differently than you feel the larger society may hold children back or or whatever. And so you see a lot of that kind of independence in Canada and I, and I think that’s, that’s really valuable, but probably becoming aware of your own goals, how they’re influenced by society, the society we live in and as a parent we want our children, uh, I would say to become contributing members to the society that they find themselves in and so shaping our child to fit in well with an individualist society where that’s going to bring them the most success in their lives in terms of happiness, and feeling that they are valued and making a contribution I think is probably behind a lot of the shaping or parenting practices that we do.

Dr. Callaghan: 08:00

Like how do you prepare your child if you want to foster creativity, which I think is a really great thing to do, in any individual, regardless of culture, then how do you go about that and how do you predict what your society is going to be like in, you know, when your child is becoming an adult and a launching off to make their contribution to life. And so I think keeping tabs on what’s going on in other cultures is a really good way to keep a handle on what your child’s going to need and creativity I think is a great way because the more adaptive we are to change and to new things and to seeing things from different perspectives, I think that that’s where I’d put my money – the better able we will be to adapt to whatever’s coming down the road.

Jen: 08:58

Great. So let’s start digging a little bit into your research. Can you tell us about what symbolic representation means and why it’s important?

Dr. Callaghan: 09:06

A symbol is something that stands for something else and as a symbol can be, as you know, many forms that can be a child, a naive kind of drawing of a person, what we call the tadpole, which is a little head body with a couple of stick legs coming out of it. And sometimes, an eye, and a smile as my grandson called the mouth…

Dr. Callaghan: 09:30

Just one eye?

Dr. Callaghan: 09:31

Yeah, sometimes sometimes multiple eyes, when he really gets into that form! So that visual or very simple graphic can be a shorthand if you like, or, or an image that stands for something else. So a symbol is something that stands in for or represent something else. And representation…when you put those together, symbolic representation is really about a process that you are intentionally creating, a symbol in order to stand for something else.

Dr. Callaghan: 10:13

Now, why would humans even want to do that? Well, the ultimate goal of all symbols is to communicate with other humans. So that’s it. Symbolic representation is at the very basic foundation, it’s about communication. And I, I, I said intentionally, forming that because of the scribbles. And you talked about the book that you had read, Magic Places where she said no, these scribbles don’t mean anything. They very likely don’t. And they very likely are… Sometimes children happen upon something that looks like it and can recognize a shape; their form perception is excellent for sure. And their color perception is excellent by the time they’re two. But their cognitive ability to understand such an abstract concept as ‘stand for,’ ‘stand in for’ or ‘represent’ is not there yet. And that’s a very strict criteria.

Dr. Callaghan: 11:24

So somebody will say, well, my two year old drew something as you know, and said this is a dog. And then when I looked at it, it really looked like a dog and sure… Those kinds of perceptual similarities labeled after the fact precede genuine symbolic understanding. And it’s all part of that process of how we help children and how we scaffold them to this understanding of these very complex terms. So if a child brings you a picture and you say, what is it? Then right away the child’s getting the message that there’s meaning here. So you know, you’re helping them to understand by that question, that meaning is involved when we do these kinds of things.

Jen: 12:10

So do you think it is helpful for parents to ask the child “what is it?” Does it, does it scaffold that knowledge? And if you, if parents are listening to and understand what the term scaffolding is, I have a whole episode coming up on that in a couple of weeks…but is it something that helps the children’s developmental process or does it make them aware of something that, you know, it might be better if they were naive about for a little bit longer.

Dr. Callaghan: 12:36

I think that’s almost an individual choice. I’m careful about how I ask questions, but I don’t see a problem whatsoever of parents saying, “Hey, what’s that? That’s so cool.” And, and, and, you know, having a discussion with the child but not pushing it. If a child is a parent can really tell whether the child’s really grasping what they’re asking them or not. And so that’s where, in your episode on scaffolding, you’ll be talking no doubt about, you know, you, uh, children are in this zone of understanding and there’s some things they are capable of and some things are not. You had like this little boundary around you where you can understand some things not. And in that sweet spot you can help children, uh, understand with particular questions like that. Oh, what’s that? And let me draw something and look what I’m drawing and then the child can see that when you have an object you can make a figure look like it with a certain amount of motor control and intention and and then they’re sort of getting at that process what that process is all about and scribbling is great fun for kids and you know, it’s very enjoyable for children to work with the medium of paint or or marker or whatever it is, color and shape and make all…and the graphics and graphic motor actions are really fun for them to do as well.

Dr. Callaghan: 14:05

So these, I see all as important precursors. And then if you wrap that all up with an attentive parent who is not imposing their own understanding on the child, but reading from the child’s reactions, what is it that they understand? I think that if I, if I were training as a…and I do train lots of students, I’m asking them to be completely open minded and not to have an idea ahead of time of what this child understands. Just try to see, try to probe lightly without giving them the answer…

Jen: 14:47

So what kinds of things do you say to… What do you tell your students to say in that situation?

Dr. Callaghan: 14:52

You would follow up but not lead the child down the path that you want them to go so you mostly when we do experiments we don’t have any kind of dialogue with children when we’re done the experiment we might follow up with when you did that, what did you mean? Or what is this part? And I noticed that you did this and and and so on. So mostly we would, we would keep our experiments really pristine and not influenced by by an adult input whatsoever.

Jen: 15:27

So you’ve done a lot of research on when children understand that pictures are actually symbols for a real object. And I know you’ve spent many, many years, they hear about this. Can you tell us just a little bit about it and specifically I’m interested in the fact that there are people who believe that maybe symbolic representation develops a little bit earlier than you do, and so what leads you to think that it comes in later than some other people do?

Dr. Callaghan: 15:53

Well, there’s a big move in developmental psychology, always has been really toward finding the earliest onset of something which is a really valuable goal. It’s really important to do that because of that question that we talked about just briefly at the beginning. What do we have as part of human...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/004-how-to-encourage-creativity-and-artistic-ability-in-young-children]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1275</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/034e13e5-27ee-4edb-a681-f5e366826bcc/004-developing-artistic-ability.mp3" length="56611950" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>I’m so excited to welcome my first guest on the Your Parenting Mojo podcast: Professor Tara Callaghan of St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia.   Professor Callaghan has spent a great number of years studying the emergence of artistic ability in young children and she shares some of her insights with us.  This is a rather longer episode than usual so here are some places you might want to skip ahead to if you have specific interest:
[3:55]: The connection between individuality and creativity, especially in Western cultures
[9:00]: What is “symbolic representation” and why is the development of symbolic representation an important milestone for young children?
[12:10]: Is it helpful for parents to ask a child “What are you drawing?”
[15:25]: When do children understand symbols?
[31:15]: What can parents do to support children’s development of symbolic representation in particular and artistic ability in general?

References
Brownlee, P. (2016). Magic Places. Good Egg Books: Thames, NZ (must be ordered directly from the publisher in New Zealand; see: http://penniebrownlee.weebly.com/books.html (http://penniebrownlee.weebly.com/books.html))
Callaghan, T.C., Rackozy, H., Behne, T., Moll, H, Lizkowski, U., Warneken, F., and Tomasello, (2011). Early social cognition in three cultural contexts. Monographs of the Society for Research in Child Development, 76(2), Serial Number 299. hhttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mono.2011.76.issue-2/issuetoc (ttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mono.2011.76.issue-2/issuetoc)
Callaghan, T. and Corbit, J. (2015). The development of symbolic representation. In Vol. 2 (L. Liben and U. Muller, Vol. Eds.) of the 7th Edition (R. Lerner, Series Ed) of the Handbook of Child Psychology and Developmental Science (pp. 250-294). New York: Wiley.
Callaghan, T., and M. Rankin (2002). Emergence of graphic symbol functioning and the question of domain specificity: A longitudinal training study. Child Development, March/April 2002, 73:2, 359-376.
Callaghan, T., P. Rochat and J. Corbit (2012). Young children’s knowledge of the representational function of pictoral symbols: Development across the preschool years in three cultures.  Journal of Cognition and Development, 13:3, 320-353. Available at: http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/CALLAGHAN,%20ROCHAT,%20and%20CORBIT,%202012.pdf (http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/lab/CALLAGHAN,%20ROCHAT,%20and%20CORBIT,%202012.pdf)
DeLoache, J. S., (2004).  Becoming symbol-minded. Trends in Cognitive Sciences, 8, 66-70. Retrieved from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661303003346 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661303003346)
Frith, C., and Frith, U. (2005). Theory of mind. Current Biology 15(17), R644.R645. Full article available at: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982205009607
Ganea, P.A., M.A. Preissler, L. Butler, S. Carey, and J.S. DeLoache (2009). Toddlers’ referential understanding of pictures. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology 104(3):283-295. Full article available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865246/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865246/)
Golomb, C. (2003). The child’s creation of a pictoral world. London: Psychology Press.
Jolley, R.P. (2010). Children and pictures: Drawing and understanding. Wiley-Blackwell, Cichester, England.
Jolley, R. P. and S. Rose (2008). The relationship between production and comprehension of representational drawing. In Children’s understanding and production of pictures, drawings, and art (C. Milbrath and H.M. Trautner (Eds)). Boston, MA, Hogrefe Publishing.  Chapter available at: &amp;lt;a href=&amp;quot;http://www.staffs.ac.uk/personal/sciences/rj2/publications/Jolley%20and%20R...</itunes:summary></item><item><title>003: Did you miss the boat on teaching your toddler how to read? (Me too!)</title><itunes:title>003: Did you miss the boat on teaching your toddler how to read? (Me too!)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[So did you teach your toddler to read yet? And if not, why not?

I’m just kidding, of course.

I wanted to write this episode on encouraging literacy in middle to older toddlers, but the more I researched the more I found the issues go much further back than what you do in toddlerhood.

Then I found – and read! – a 45,000 word essay by Larry Sanger, who taught his baby son to read.  I’m not kidding.  Check out the link to the video on YouTube in the references.

My two-year-old can’t read yet.  Did I miss the boat?  Would her learning outcomes have been better if I had taught her as a baby?

Is TV a good medium to teach reading and vocabulary?

What are some of the things parents of young toddlers can do to encourage reading readiness <em>when the child is ready</em>?

We talk about all this and more in episode 3, and there’s more to come for older toddlers in a few episodes time.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:38 Introduction of episode

02:43 Vocabulary development

07:36 Academic instruction at an early age

08:10 2 things that stood out in the research

10:09 What should you be doing to encourage future literacy in children

10:54 6 principles of word learning development

12:00 Interactive and responsive context

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American Academy of Pediatrics (2016). Media and Children. Accessed August 19<sup>th</sup>, 2016. Retrieved from: https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx?rf=32524&amp;nfstatus=401&amp;nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&amp;nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

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Carlsson-Paige, N., G. Bywater McLaughlin, and J. Wolfsheimer Almon (2015). Reading instruction in kindergarten: Little to gain and much to lose. Available online at: <a href="http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf">http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf</a>

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Christakis, D.A. (2008). The effects of infant media usage: What do we know and what should we learn? <em>Acta Paediatrica 98</em>, 8-16. Full article available at: http://echd430-f13-love.wikispaces.umb.edu/file/view/Pediatrics+article.pdf

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Federal Trade Commission (2014). Defendants settle FTC charges related to “Your Baby Can Read” program. Available online at: <a href="https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/08/defendants-settle-ftc-charges-related-your-baby-can-read-program">https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/08/defendants-settle-ftc-charges-related-your-baby-can-read-program</a>

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Gray, P. (2010). Children teach themselves to read. Blog post on Psychology Today available at: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201002/children-teach-themselves-read

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Gray, P. (2015). Early academic training produces long-term harm. Blog post on Psychology Today available at: <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201505/early-academic-training-produces-long-term-harm">https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201505/early-academic-training-produces-long-term-harm</a>

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Harris, J., Golinkoff, R.M., &amp; Hirsh-Pasek, K. (2011). Lessons from the crib for the classroom: How children really learn vocabulary. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson (Eds.) <em>Handbook of early literacy research</em> Vol. 3. (49-65). New York: Guilford.

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Hirsh-Pasek, K., Golinkoff, R.M., &amp; Eyer, D. (2003). Einstein never used flash cards. Emmaus, PA: Rodale.

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National Center for Education Statistics (2016). Status dropout rates. Available at: <a href="http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coj.asp">http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coj.asp</a>

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Neuman, S., Kaefer, T., Pinkham, A., &amp; Strouse, G.A. (2014). Can babies learn to read? A randomized trial of baby media. <em>Journal of Educational Psychology 106</em>(3), 815-830. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273814238_Can_Babies_Learn_to_Read_A_Randomized_Trial_of_Baby_Media

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Sanger, L (2010). How and why I taught my toddler to read. Available online at: http://blog.larrysanger.org/2010/12/baby-reading/

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Sanger, L. (2010). 3-year-old reading the Constitution – reading progress from age 2 to age 4. Available at: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIu8BGFqMm4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIu8BGFqMm4</a>

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WatchKnowLearn (2016). Reading Bear. Website available at: <a href="http://www.readingbear.org/">http://www.readingbear.org/#</a>

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Zimmerman, F.J., Christakis, D.A., &amp; Meltzoff, A.N. (2007). Associations between media viewing and language development in children under age 2 years. <em>Journal of Pediatrics 151</em>, 364-368.

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So is your toddler reading yet?  And if not, why not?

I’m just kidding, of course.

I will say that this episode has been the hardest one yet to research and write, just because there is *so much* information out there on the topic, which is “How to encourage literacy in preschoolers.”  Each time I thought I knew what my research question was I had to step back and consider an issue further back in the information chain.

I started by reading textbooks for teachers on how to teach children to read, including the theoretical background behind this work and how approaches have shifted over the years.  I like to start with textbooks because they tend to be rigorously researched and have lots of citations to spark my own research.

I also found – and read – a 45,000 word essay by Larry Sanger, he who co-founded Wikipedia, who successfully taught his own son to read – in the show notes for this episode on my website (at Your Parenting Mojo.com) you can find a link to a video of his son reading a book at 2 years 5 months, and reading the Constitution at 3 years 10 months.  Sanger did this using a video called Your Baby Can Read (which is available on Amazon even though Dr. Titzer, who started the program, settled a claim with the FTC and is not allowed to use the term “Your Baby Can Read” any more because it is an unsubstantiated claim.)  Basically the child watches programs from a DVD, reads the books, and looks at the flash cards and develops an ability to “read.”

So I was actually reading these things – Larry Sanger’s essay and several books – in parallel, using one answer questions raised by the other.  It’s safe to say that the preponderance of scientific evidence does not advocate for teaching your baby to read.  Indeed, the only study I could find on the topic was one conducted to test specifically whether Your Baby Can Read works, and found that it does not.  Another study that focused on vocabulary development rather than reading found that for each hour of “educational” DVDs that babies watched, they knew on average 6-8 fewer words, although the effect did appear to be transitory and was mostly gone by age 17-24 months.  Even Peter Sanger acknowledges that plonking your child in front of a DVD isn’t really the “ideal” way to learn to read.

I should also note that Sanger has developed a free set of tools called Reading Bear, based on the ones he used to teach his son – I’ll include the link in the references for this episode.  I was amused to see, though, that “Reading Bear is aimed mainly at children learning to read at the traditional ages of 4-7….But even younger children do enjoy and get something out of Reading Bear.”  Sounds like someone has read the FTC ruling on the Your Baby Can Read set and doesn’t want to get on the wrong side of that argument to me

But what about Sanger’s son? He is clearly reading the Constitution in the video, if not understanding it.  Can *some* babies be taught to read?  Should they be taught to read?  As a parent of a toddler, have I missed out on something by not teaching my daughter to read?

These were the questions I set out to answer for this episode.

I think ultimately it goes back to what we as parents want for our kids, and what our kids want for themselves.  Sanger says that he aims to give his son “a deep, serious liberal arts education”, which he characterizes as having substantial knowledge about many different subjects, being able to write well, being able to read difficult texts, being comfortable with numbers (or excellent, if one is in a technical field), being able to speak a few languages, and generally having a sophisticated outlook on human life and our place in the universe.  He argues that his goal is not to get his kid to graduate by age 12 and out into the working world sooner so his son can get a big richer at the end of his longer career, it’s the opportunity to have more years to spend on learning general knowledge like literature, history, and science, before specializing and getting into a profession.

To me, it seems as though Sanger has missed a step.  He’s assuming that a liberal arts-style of education is a good goal for all kids, and I don’t believe it is.  I’m still thinking this through so my approach may change in the future, but if I had to pinpoint what I want for Carys it would be that she lives a life that she considers to be satisfying and fulfilling.  I would really love for her to have a love for learning as well, but to me that’s a secondary goal.

As a reasonably well-educated parent it would of course make *me* happy if that involved her learning a lot about some of the subjects I consider important.  *But it might not make her happy*.  She may...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[So did you teach your toddler to read yet? And if not, why not?

I’m just kidding, of course.

I wanted to write this episode on encouraging literacy in middle to older toddlers, but the more I researched the more I found the issues go much further back than what you do in toddlerhood.

Then I found – and read! – a 45,000 word essay by Larry Sanger, who taught his baby son to read.  I’m not kidding.  Check out the link to the video on YouTube in the references.

My two-year-old can’t read yet.  Did I miss the boat?  Would her learning outcomes have been better if I had taught her as a baby?

Is TV a good medium to teach reading and vocabulary?

What are some of the things parents of young toddlers can do to encourage reading readiness <em>when the child is ready</em>?

We talk about all this and more in episode 3, and there’s more to come for older toddlers in a few episodes time.

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00:38 Introduction of episode

02:43 Vocabulary development

07:36 Academic instruction at an early age

08:10 2 things that stood out in the research

10:09 What should you be doing to encourage future literacy in children

10:54 6 principles of word learning development

12:00 Interactive and responsive context

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<strong>References</strong>

American Academy of Pediatrics (2016). Media and Children. Accessed August 19<sup>th</sup>, 2016. Retrieved from: https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx?rf=32524&amp;nfstatus=401&amp;nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&amp;nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

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Carlsson-Paige, N., G. Bywater McLaughlin, and J. Wolfsheimer Almon (2015). Reading instruction in kindergarten: Little to gain and much to lose. Available online at: <a href="http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf">http://www.allianceforchildhood.org/sites/allianceforchildhood.org/files/file/Reading_Instruction_in_Kindergarten.pdf</a>

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Christakis, D.A. (2008). The effects of infant media usage: What do we know and what should we learn? <em>Acta Paediatrica 98</em>, 8-16. Full article available at: http://echd430-f13-love.wikispaces.umb.edu/file/view/Pediatrics+article.pdf

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Federal Trade Commission (2014). Defendants settle FTC charges related to “Your Baby Can Read” program. Available online at: <a href="https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/08/defendants-settle-ftc-charges-related-your-baby-can-read-program">https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/08/defendants-settle-ftc-charges-related-your-baby-can-read-program</a>

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Gray, P. (2010). Children teach themselves to read. Blog post on Psychology Today available at: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201002/children-teach-themselves-read

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Gray, P. (2015). Early academic training produces long-term harm. Blog post on Psychology Today available at: <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201505/early-academic-training-produces-long-term-harm">https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201505/early-academic-training-produces-long-term-harm</a>

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Harris, J., Golinkoff, R.M., &amp; Hirsh-Pasek, K. (2011). Lessons from the crib for the classroom: How children really learn vocabulary. In S.B. Neuman &amp; D.K. Dickinson (Eds.) <em>Handbook of early literacy research</em> Vol. 3. (49-65). New York: Guilford.

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Hirsh-Pasek, K., Golinkoff, R.M., &amp; Eyer, D. (2003). Einstein never used flash cards. Emmaus, PA: Rodale.

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National Center for Education Statistics (2016). Status dropout rates. Available at: <a href="http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coj.asp">http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coj.asp</a>

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Neuman, S., Kaefer, T., Pinkham, A., &amp; Strouse, G.A. (2014). Can babies learn to read? A randomized trial of baby media. <em>Journal of Educational Psychology 106</em>(3), 815-830. Full article available at: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273814238_Can_Babies_Learn_to_Read_A_Randomized_Trial_of_Baby_Media

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Sanger, L (2010). How and why I taught my toddler to read. Available online at: http://blog.larrysanger.org/2010/12/baby-reading/

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Sanger, L. (2010). 3-year-old reading the Constitution – reading progress from age 2 to age 4. Available at: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIu8BGFqMm4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIu8BGFqMm4</a>

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WatchKnowLearn (2016). Reading Bear. Website available at: <a href="http://www.readingbear.org/">http://www.readingbear.org/#</a>

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Zimmerman, F.J., Christakis, D.A., &amp; Meltzoff, A.N. (2007). Associations between media viewing and language development in children under age 2 years. <em>Journal of Pediatrics 151</em>, 364-368.

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So is your toddler reading yet?  And if not, why not?

I’m just kidding, of course.

I will say that this episode has been the hardest one yet to research and write, just because there is *so much* information out there on the topic, which is “How to encourage literacy in preschoolers.”  Each time I thought I knew what my research question was I had to step back and consider an issue further back in the information chain.

I started by reading textbooks for teachers on how to teach children to read, including the theoretical background behind this work and how approaches have shifted over the years.  I like to start with textbooks because they tend to be rigorously researched and have lots of citations to spark my own research.

I also found – and read – a 45,000 word essay by Larry Sanger, he who co-founded Wikipedia, who successfully taught his own son to read – in the show notes for this episode on my website (at Your Parenting Mojo.com) you can find a link to a video of his son reading a book at 2 years 5 months, and reading the Constitution at 3 years 10 months.  Sanger did this using a video called Your Baby Can Read (which is available on Amazon even though Dr. Titzer, who started the program, settled a claim with the FTC and is not allowed to use the term “Your Baby Can Read” any more because it is an unsubstantiated claim.)  Basically the child watches programs from a DVD, reads the books, and looks at the flash cards and develops an ability to “read.”

So I was actually reading these things – Larry Sanger’s essay and several books – in parallel, using one answer questions raised by the other.  It’s safe to say that the preponderance of scientific evidence does not advocate for teaching your baby to read.  Indeed, the only study I could find on the topic was one conducted to test specifically whether Your Baby Can Read works, and found that it does not.  Another study that focused on vocabulary development rather than reading found that for each hour of “educational” DVDs that babies watched, they knew on average 6-8 fewer words, although the effect did appear to be transitory and was mostly gone by age 17-24 months.  Even Peter Sanger acknowledges that plonking your child in front of a DVD isn’t really the “ideal” way to learn to read.

I should also note that Sanger has developed a free set of tools called Reading Bear, based on the ones he used to teach his son – I’ll include the link in the references for this episode.  I was amused to see, though, that “Reading Bear is aimed mainly at children learning to read at the traditional ages of 4-7….But even younger children do enjoy and get something out of Reading Bear.”  Sounds like someone has read the FTC ruling on the Your Baby Can Read set and doesn’t want to get on the wrong side of that argument to me

But what about Sanger’s son? He is clearly reading the Constitution in the video, if not understanding it.  Can *some* babies be taught to read?  Should they be taught to read?  As a parent of a toddler, have I missed out on something by not teaching my daughter to read?

These were the questions I set out to answer for this episode.

I think ultimately it goes back to what we as parents want for our kids, and what our kids want for themselves.  Sanger says that he aims to give his son “a deep, serious liberal arts education”, which he characterizes as having substantial knowledge about many different subjects, being able to write well, being able to read difficult texts, being comfortable with numbers (or excellent, if one is in a technical field), being able to speak a few languages, and generally having a sophisticated outlook on human life and our place in the universe.  He argues that his goal is not to get his kid to graduate by age 12 and out into the working world sooner so his son can get a big richer at the end of his longer career, it’s the opportunity to have more years to spend on learning general knowledge like literature, history, and science, before specializing and getting into a profession.

To me, it seems as though Sanger has missed a step.  He’s assuming that a liberal arts-style of education is a good goal for all kids, and I don’t believe it is.  I’m still thinking this through so my approach may change in the future, but if I had to pinpoint what I want for Carys it would be that she lives a life that she considers to be satisfying and fulfilling.  I would really love for her to have a love for learning as well, but to me that’s a secondary goal.

As a reasonably well-educated parent it would of course make *me* happy if that involved her learning a lot about some of the subjects I consider important.  *But it might not make her happy*.  She may be perfectly fulfilled as an auto mechanic who never listens to NPR.  She might become a master plumber and be the person who can finally teach me how to install a hammer arrester on an existing water line (I failed at that a couple of weekends ago).  She might want to work in an oil field, undoing all the work I’ve tried to do in my corporate career, getting companies to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions.  None of those occupations *require* a liberal arts education, although it’s possible she could get that education and still find one of those jobs fulfilling.  As a reasonably well-educated parent it might make me cringe a bit to tell people at parties that my daughter was doing one of those jobs.  But ultimately it’s *her* choice to make, not mine.  Sanger talks about how some of his happiest and most rewarding times in high school and college were when he was really learning, and he wants his child to do more of that sort of learning, and enjoy it.  But what if his son doesn’t enjoy it?  I wonder what Sanger will do then.

But Jen, I hear you thinking, what could be the harm in it?  Clearly at least one baby has learned to read using Your Baby Can Read, even if a statistically significant sample in a scientific study didn’t learn to read using that method.  Shouldn’t you and I be trying to make up for lost time?

The scientific community does seem to have some consensus around the idea that *pushing* kids to learn skills like reading before they are ready and when they don’t really want to, can have harmful effects on later learning outcomes.  A 2015 literature review called “Reading instruction in kindergarten: Little to gain and much to lose” found that many children are not developmentally ready to read in kindergarten, yet the Common Core State Standards require them to do just that – read in kindergarten.  No research documents long-term gains from learning to read in kindergarten.  Studies have shown that early academic training can increase children’s immediate scores on specific tests that the training addresses, but these initial gains are lost within 1-3 years and may eventually be reversed.  It’s also possible that academic instruction at an early age can produce long-term harm in the realms of social and emotional development.

Just like with every other aspect of children’s development, there appears to be a wide range of “normal” development related to reading.  Some children learn to walk at nine months; some walk at 15 months.  Some children learn to read as toddlers (it’s probably safe to say that babies wouldn’t learn to read without adult intervention); some children in a Sudbury-school type model where there is no direct instruction unless the student requests it, may not learn to read until age 14 or 15.

Two other things stood out in my research: firstly, that children will learn to read when they want to read to accomplish some other goal.  Peter Gray, who writes a blog on Psychology Today, asked parents who were in alternative forms of education when and how their children learned to read.  One woman wrote that her daughter had been telling people she couldn’t read until she was about age 7.  One day the daughter wanted to eat brownies and neither the mother nor the father wanted to bake them.  A while later the daughter asked the mother to turn on the oven and find her a “9 ex 11 pan” and, later, to put the brownies in the oven.  The daughter said “Ma, I think I can read now.”  The daughter read a few books out loud to the mother until the brownies were done.

A 19 year-old blogger who had been homeschooled said that her mother would read the first Harry Potter to her and her younger sister.  But the mother was busy and if she read too long her voice would get hoarse so, being frustrated at the delay and impatient to know what happened next, the blogger picked up the book and started reading.  Clearly these children had a reason to start reading, so they did it.  Not every child can just “read,” though – some of them do need explicit instruction.

Secondly, if you’re in the U.S. and your child isn’t reading by the end of kindergarten, he or she is officially “behind” according to the Common Core standards.  And now we find ourselves with a problem: we know that some children may not be able to read until much later than kindergarten age, but if they’re not reading by the time they enter first grade they’re going to get more and more “behind” as they can’t keep up with material that’s presented in a written format.

This puts parents whose children will go into a traditional school model in a bit of a bind.  You’ll be OK following your child’s lead as long as he’s not a late bloomer (because there is some evidence that boys develop reading ability later than girls).  Perhaps that’s one factor explaining why boys drop out of high school at a higher rate of girls – from the very beginning some of them are pressured to learn things before they’re ready and that just continues to cascade throughout their school career.  I’m just speculating on that one.

So assuming you haven’t yet taught your toddler to read, what should you be doing to encourage future literacy in your child without pushing it on them?  I’ll go into much more detail on this in a future episode, but I want to leave you with some things to get you started.  I should acknowledge here that different cultures have different ways of thinking of literacy.  Some cultures prioritize things like oral stories, songs, and music.  Others prioritize the written word but mainly use print for religious purposes (like reading religious texts) or practical purposes (paying bills and writing shopping lists). One thing that anyone can do to prepare a child for reading readiness, no matter how you use literature, is talk with your child in a way that enhances their vocabulary.  So no need for flash cards or new word memorization, but you can follow six principles of word learning developed by the authors of the book Einstein Never Used Flashcards, although these specific principles are found in a journal article they wrote with one of the graduate students.  The principles are are:
<ol>
 	<li>Frequency – children learn the words they hear the most</li>
 	<li>Children learn words for things and events that interest them</li>
 	<li>Interactive and responsive contexts (like conversation) are more conducive to vocabulary learning than passive contexts (like TV viewing)</li>
 	<li>Create meaningful contexts – rather than offering flashcards, learn words about baking while baking. Learn colors and textures while folding laundry.</li>
 	<li>Tell children the definitions of the new words. When the child points to a toaster and says “what’s that,” instead of just saying “it’s a toaster,” say “that’s a toaster.  It’s cooking your bread for your breakfast.”</li>
 	<li>Use words in sentences. Children’s learning of grammar feeds off their learning vocabulary, and vice versa. They learn how to use grammar correctly when they hear adults using grammar correctly.</li>
</ol><br/>
I want to expand a bit on point number 3 because it connects back to the Your Baby Can Read program, which is presented in a series of DVDs.  The American Academy of Pediatrics officially discourages TV viewing in the first two years of life (although only 6% of U.S. parents are even aware of these guidelines which may partly explain why 90% of parents appear to ignore this advice).  The AAP states that its guidelines are based on the detrimental effects of “excessive” media use, and because “young children learn best by interacting with people, not screens.”  So while Larry Sanger taught his son to read using a DVD set, he describes his process very explicitly – he always sat with his son while his son watched the DVDs and they talked about what they saw, and this interaction could have been responsible for some of Sanger’s success.  But, as Dimitri Christakis of the University of Washington points out, “the fundamental research question is not *can* infants learn from a screen under ideal circumstances, including an interactive parent, but is that learning somehow superior to alternative means of advancing child development?”

Many researchers agree that reading books to children is very important, but so is surrounding children with literacy in their everyday lives.  Following a recipe together as you bake a cake counts as a “literacy activity.”  So does sorting junk mail.  And discussing road signs you see while out on a walk.

One way to figure out a path is to let your child lead, which is something I stumbled on accidentally myself.  We were waiting outside a restaurant about three months ago (so my daughter, Carys, would have been about 22 months old).  It was a seafood restaurant and there was a humorous slogan along the bottom of the window – something like “fish or cut bait.”  Carys pointed to the “F” and said “what’s that?” I said “It’s an F.”  She moved along each letter asking “what’s that?”.  Not long after that my husband was at the mall and picked up an alphabet book at a bookstore so he could get his parking validated.  Carys and I went on a backpacking trip in Wales a couple of weeks after that and she made me go through that book every single night – even though I specifically requested we read a different book.  She knew about three letters of the alphabet before we left, and now she knows about half of it.  The whole thing is led by her: we read to her when she asks; we tell her letters when she asks.  Your child may well not be asking these questions yet and *that’s OK*.  Continue reading books – vary the books, as much as your toddler will allow, anyway – test him with longer books but mix in shorter books as well.  Consider running your finger under the line of print to see if she’s interested in what the print *does* – but be ready to back off if she finds it irritating.  Follow her lead.  My next question is “now that...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/003-your-toddler-isnt-reading-yet-neither-is-mine]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1272</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2016 03:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ed24eefd-752c-4c15-9d43-cfa98605da93/teaching-toddler-to-read.mp3" length="25439498" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>16:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>002: Why doesn’t my toddler share?</title><itunes:title>002: Why doesn’t my toddler share?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Imagine this: you’re with your toddler son or daughter at a playground on a Saturday afternoon so there are a lot of people around.  You’re sitting on a bench while your child plays in the sandpit where several others are playing as well.  You’re half paying attention while you catch up with some texts on your phone.  You hear a scream and when you look up you see a child you don’t know clutching tightly onto the spade your child had been playing with, and your child is about to burst into tears.

Or this: You’re at the playground on a Saturday afternoon and your child is in the sand pit, but when you hear the scream you look up to see your child holding the spade, and a child you don’t know has clearly just had it removed from his possession.

What do you do?

Assuming you want your children to learn how to share things, what’s the best way to encourage that behavior?  What signs can you look for to understand whether they’re developmentally ready?  Does praising a child who proactively shares something encourage her to do it again – or make her less likely to share in the future?  We’ll answer all these questions and more.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:37 Introduction of episode

02:10 Drastic steps to promote sharing behavior

02:54 The key goal for resting parents

03:28 Concepts for sharing behavior

04:55 Concept of ownership

07:07 Understand the thing for you to be yours

07:29 Understanding of time

08:20 Impulse control

11:42 Shaming a child into sharing

14:55 Five sharing strategies you can teach children

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<strong>References</strong>

Brownell, C., S. Iesue, S. Nichols, and M. Svetlova (2012). Mine or Yours? Development of Sharing in Toddlers in Relation to Ownership Understanding. Child Development 84:3 906-920.  Full article available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3578097/

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Crary, E. (2013). The secret of toddler sharing: Why sharing is hard and how to make it easier. Parenting Press, Seattle, WA.

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Davis, L., and J. Keyser (1997).  Becoming the parent you want to be. Broadway Books, New York, NY.

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Klein, T (2014). How toddlers thrive. Touchstone, New  York, NY.

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Kohn (1993). Punished by rewards: The trouble with gold stars, incentive plans, As, praise, and other bribes. Houghton Mifflin, New York, NY.

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Lancy, D. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, Chattel, Changelings. Second Edition. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England.

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Warenken, F., K. Lohse, A. Melis, and M. Tomasello (2011). Young Children Share the Spoils After Collaboration. Psychological Science 22:2 267-273.  Abstract available at: http://pss.sagepub.com/content/22/2/267.abstract]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Imagine this: you’re with your toddler son or daughter at a playground on a Saturday afternoon so there are a lot of people around.  You’re sitting on a bench while your child plays in the sandpit where several others are playing as well.  You’re half paying attention while you catch up with some texts on your phone.  You hear a scream and when you look up you see a child you don’t know clutching tightly onto the spade your child had been playing with, and your child is about to burst into tears.

Or this: You’re at the playground on a Saturday afternoon and your child is in the sand pit, but when you hear the scream you look up to see your child holding the spade, and a child you don’t know has clearly just had it removed from his possession.

What do you do?

Assuming you want your children to learn how to share things, what’s the best way to encourage that behavior?  What signs can you look for to understand whether they’re developmentally ready?  Does praising a child who proactively shares something encourage her to do it again – or make her less likely to share in the future?  We’ll answer all these questions and more.

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<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:37 Introduction of episode

02:10 Drastic steps to promote sharing behavior

02:54 The key goal for resting parents

03:28 Concepts for sharing behavior

04:55 Concept of ownership

07:07 Understand the thing for you to be yours

07:29 Understanding of time

08:20 Impulse control

11:42 Shaming a child into sharing

14:55 Five sharing strategies you can teach children

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<strong>References</strong>

Brownell, C., S. Iesue, S. Nichols, and M. Svetlova (2012). Mine or Yours? Development of Sharing in Toddlers in Relation to Ownership Understanding. Child Development 84:3 906-920.  Full article available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3578097/

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Crary, E. (2013). The secret of toddler sharing: Why sharing is hard and how to make it easier. Parenting Press, Seattle, WA.

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Davis, L., and J. Keyser (1997).  Becoming the parent you want to be. Broadway Books, New York, NY.

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Klein, T (2014). How toddlers thrive. Touchstone, New  York, NY.

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Kohn (1993). Punished by rewards: The trouble with gold stars, incentive plans, As, praise, and other bribes. Houghton Mifflin, New York, NY.

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Lancy, D. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, Chattel, Changelings. Second Edition. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England.

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Warenken, F., K. Lohse, A. Melis, and M. Tomasello (2011). Young Children Share the Spoils After Collaboration. Psychological Science 22:2 267-273.  Abstract available at: http://pss.sagepub.com/content/22/2/267.abstract]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/ep-002-why-doesnt-my-toddler-share]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1216</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:11:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/36d4e5b6-f73a-4b7b-b532-112338afe984/002-why-doesnt-my-toddler-share-anything.mp3" length="26485715" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>17:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>2</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d24943b8-09d1-4e9c-bd88-14cd925798f5/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>001: The influence of culture on parenting</title><itunes:title>001: The influence of culture on parenting</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[Have you ever thought about how common the murder of children has been in societies we now call “Western” in the past, as well as societies all over the world today?

In my naivete as a parent I figured there would be some differences in how people parent their children around the world, but I never imagined that people in my own back yards would parent completely differently from me.  And I sort of figured that the ‘around the world’ differences were mostly a function of the availability of products and services – wouldn’t everyone encourage artistic ability if they had access to paper and crayons?  Turns out it’s not the case.

Elders and even ancestors occupied the top of the family heap in most societies for most of our history.  In Western (also called “WEIRD”) societies, we’ve reversed this paradigm and children find themselves ruling the roost.  Yet we’re also starting to “borrow” elements of other cultures – like baby-wearing and elimination communication.  I’ll also examine how several other cultures approach topics like transmitting knowledge and shaping behavior.

You might ask yourself “but why do I care whether a three year-old Warao child in Venezuela can paddle a canoe?”  It was learning about these kinds of cultural differences that allowed me to take a step back and see the information I’m transmitting to my own daughter that’s based on my culture, and think through whether these are the kinds of messages I want to send to her.  How did your culture and experience shape you, and have you made a conscious decision to include these elements of your culture in your parenting style or are you just running on autopilot?

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00:36 Introduction of episode

00:59 The anthropology of childhood

01:52 A study in Hungary

03:57 Infant death became the cause of public concern

04:37 The child's right not to be hit

04:55 Every decision we make as parents is determined by our culture

06:11 Every child is different

07:57 Parents control their children in different ways

08:45 The rarest strategy of controlling behavior

10:30 Concern for the children’s emotional well-being

11:06 Ideas to bring out to life

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<strong>References</strong>

Bryant, A (no date). 7 reasons not to compare your child with others… Available at: <a href="http://parenting.allwomenstalk.com/reasons-not-to-compare-your-child-with-others">http://parenting.allwomenstalk.com/reasons-not-to-compare-your-child-with-others</a>

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Heath, Shirley B (1983). Ways with words. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England.

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Lancy, D. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, Chattel, Changelings. Second Edition. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England.

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McNaughton, S (1996). Ways of parenting and cultural identity. Culture Psychology 2:2 173-201.  Available at: <a href="http://cap.sagepub.com/content/2/2/173.short">http://cap.sagepub.com/content/2/2/173.short</a>

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Zero to Three (2016). How our history influences how we raise our children. Available at: https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/286-how-our-history-influences-how-we-raise-our-children]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Have you ever thought about how common the murder of children has been in societies we now call “Western” in the past, as well as societies all over the world today?

In my naivete as a parent I figured there would be some differences in how people parent their children around the world, but I never imagined that people in my own back yards would parent completely differently from me.  And I sort of figured that the ‘around the world’ differences were mostly a function of the availability of products and services – wouldn’t everyone encourage artistic ability if they had access to paper and crayons?  Turns out it’s not the case.

Elders and even ancestors occupied the top of the family heap in most societies for most of our history.  In Western (also called “WEIRD”) societies, we’ve reversed this paradigm and children find themselves ruling the roost.  Yet we’re also starting to “borrow” elements of other cultures – like baby-wearing and elimination communication.  I’ll also examine how several other cultures approach topics like transmitting knowledge and shaping behavior.

You might ask yourself “but why do I care whether a three year-old Warao child in Venezuela can paddle a canoe?”  It was learning about these kinds of cultural differences that allowed me to take a step back and see the information I’m transmitting to my own daughter that’s based on my culture, and think through whether these are the kinds of messages I want to send to her.  How did your culture and experience shape you, and have you made a conscious decision to include these elements of your culture in your parenting style or are you just running on autopilot?

&nbsp;

<strong>Jump to highlights</strong>

00:36 Introduction of episode

00:59 The anthropology of childhood

01:52 A study in Hungary

03:57 Infant death became the cause of public concern

04:37 The child's right not to be hit

04:55 Every decision we make as parents is determined by our culture

06:11 Every child is different

07:57 Parents control their children in different ways

08:45 The rarest strategy of controlling behavior

10:30 Concern for the children’s emotional well-being

11:06 Ideas to bring out to life

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<strong>References</strong>

Bryant, A (no date). 7 reasons not to compare your child with others… Available at: <a href="http://parenting.allwomenstalk.com/reasons-not-to-compare-your-child-with-others">http://parenting.allwomenstalk.com/reasons-not-to-compare-your-child-with-others</a>

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Heath, Shirley B (1983). Ways with words. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England.

<hr />

Lancy, D. (2015). The anthropology of childhood: Cherubs, Chattel, Changelings. Second Edition. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England.

<hr />

McNaughton, S (1996). Ways of parenting and cultural identity. Culture Psychology 2:2 173-201.  Available at: <a href="http://cap.sagepub.com/content/2/2/173.short">http://cap.sagepub.com/content/2/2/173.short</a>

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Zero to Three (2016). How our history influences how we raise our children. Available at: https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/286-how-our-history-influences-how-we-raise-our-children]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://yourparentingmojo.com/ep-001-the-influence-of-culture-on-parenting]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://yourparentingmojo.com/?p=1214</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/12802a36-dbca-4912-a62e-cbce5aacddb8/podcast-cover-your-parenting-mojo-03-01-copy.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:14:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5a4abcc7-3cca-4f2c-adc7-e9a7e7a21b47/001-importance-of-culture.mp3" length="22787940" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>15:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/e4711a8a-774a-4e7f-8f3b-8dd4b6fb3dff/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>000: Philosophy (aka “What’s this Podcast All About?”)</title><itunes:title>000: Philosophy (aka &quot;What’s this Podcast All About?&quot;)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[I always thought the infant phase would be the hardest part of parenting, when all the baby does is eat and sleep and cry.  Now I have a toddler I’m finding it’s <em>harder</em> than having a baby, some of the support systems that I had when she was a baby aren’t there any more, and the parenting skills I need are totally different.  How do I even know what I need to learn to not mess up this parenting thing?  Should I go back to school to try to figure it all out?

In this episode I’ll tell you the history and principles behind the podcast and what we’ll learn together.

Note: When I revamped the website I decided that after two years of shows, some of the information in this episode was out of date.  I recently re-recorded it to highlight the resources I’ve created for you.

Please do subscribe to the show by entering your name and email address in the box below to receive updates when new podcast episodes and blog posts are published, as well as calls for questions and occasional requests for co-interviewers.  And if you’d like to continue the conversation, come join us in the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</a>!

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Hello and welcome to episode 000 of Your Parenting Mojo – the podcast that aims to bring you rigorously researched information and distill it into a toolkit you can actually use to support your child’s development, and make parenting easier on yourself. I’m your host, Jen Lumanlan, and I originally recorded this episode in August of 2016 when the show launched. But by the time October 2018 rolled around I’d been recording for two years and a lot of the information in this episode was out of date so I decided to re-record, keeping the parts that are still relevant and adjusting the parts that had changed.
So in this episode, called Parenting Philosophy, I’ll share a bit about my background and what I believe about parenting, because I find that most people who put information out there make you do the work of trying to see how your beliefs and theirs fit together, and instead I want you to understand where I’m coming from and how this fits with your approach to parenting.
I never thought I’d be a parent, but it happened on purpose and not by accident. My daughter is named Carys, which means “one who loves and is loved.” She was born in June 2014 (in case I forget to mention how old she is in future episodes).
Before Carys was born I spent a lot of time on my birth plan, figuring I had 18 years to work out how to be a parent. When I finally got my act together I discovered the wealth of information about babies that’s available when your main concerns are related to feeding and sleeping, and our first year progressed fairly uneventfully. Carys slept through the night early, was not at all resistant to trying new foods, and after she got over some initial gassiness, was generally fairly easy to be around.
A lot of the advice on parenting an infant expires around age 12 months when the child is really mobile and interested in investigating the world and I was left feeling “now what?” So I started to do a lot of reading, and in the process of doing that reading and telling other people about it (but only when they asked me!) I realized I was having fun. So I decided to start a podcast so I could share what I’m learning with other people in a format that you can do while multitasking – commuting, working out, walking the dog, whatever – because goodness knows, you don’t need something *else* to read about how to be a parent.
Two principles underlie this podcast.
First – respectful parenting, also known as Resources for Infant Educarers or RIE. I actually held off on doing an episode on RIE for a long time because I didn’t want my listeners to think I was some kind of crazy hippy before I had many episodes out, but I did finally record two episodes on this – the first one is an overview of what RIE is, and since it actually wasn’t designed based on scientific research, the second episode takes a deep dive into what aspects of it are supported by the research base.
RIE’s advice officially runs though age 2, when most adults find it easier to treat kids with respect anyway – maybe partly because they can answer back. But even though I felt like RIE provided solid ground underneath me, what is above me? What is the universe of issues I need to know about and make decisions about?
This brings me to the second principle behind this podcast: scientific research wherever it is available. There are a lot of ways of knowing the world – for example, those related to our culture and our beliefs and even the things we know about ourselves and about the people we’re close to. But science offers us a LOT of information on parenting and child development, if we can read it critically and understand its limitations as well as its strengths. So in the show we call out small sample sizes and bias caused by sampling middle class White children and extrapolating the results as if they were applicable to children everywhere, and papers where what’s said in the conclusions section doesn’t match what’s said in the results section, which happens more often than you might think.
I also try to layer the importance of culture onto these two principles, which we typically do using anthropological studies on people outside of Western cultures in an attempt to understand whether the problems we face with our children are related to the way we raise our children, or whether they’re inherent to how children develop. As an example, encouraging artistic ability is a very affluent western cultural thing to do. It’s closely linked with individuality, which in some cultures is seen as less desirable than promoting group cohesion.
Increasingly we borrow from other cultures – baby wearing and elimination communication are two things that come to mind – without always fully considering the implications of how to incorporate these ideas into our lives. Traditional baby wearers come from cultures where lots of people wear the baby, not just the mother, and the baby has an attachment to many people, not one primary person. EC is practiced in countries where diapers are not available or affordable and where a five-year-old child may be the infant’s main caregiver. I’m not critical of any approach to parenting or anyone who uses a particular approach (actually the only thing I’m critical of is selling things that are “necessary” for a child’s wellbeing or development), but I do think we should consider the implications of our choices. Some mothers who try baby-wearing in places where there aren’t 10 other family members around to take turns can become exhausted. EC doesn’t always but can lead to chronic holding of poop. Why do we people from “western, educated, industrialized, rich democracies” (WEIRD) countries look to science and to other cultures for our parenting advice? I think it is in large part because we are so physically, mentally, and emotionally separated from our own parents and extended families. Nobody is telling us how to parent, so we have to figure it out for ourselves – and relying on the scientific approach seems like a good way to do it. Also importantly, I think many people of my generation don’t 100% agree with the strategies their parents used to raise them – probably much as our parents disagreed with our grandparents. So science can help us to understand our child’s development so we can support that process in a way that aligns with our values.
One thing I see is that there are SO MANY parenting books available, all coming from different positions, some supported extensively by scientific research and others formed by nothing more than someone’s opinions; how do I as a parent figure out how to integrate them? They often have tactics that might work, but I always need to keep in mind how the tactics relate to the strategy. And there’s so much research being done in the academic arena that never makes it to parents because it just sits in a journal unless it can be ‘spun’ by the media into something clickbait-worthy. To put a framework around all this research I decided to go back to school and get a Masters in Psychology, focusing on child development, which was still underway when I started the show but which I’ve now finished. The lessons I learned during my degree help me to make sure that I’m not missing anything major as I look to understand – and help you understand – the deep dive into the research that we do in each episode.
I did an episode on why we shouldn’t ban war play relatively early on, and the conclusion of that episode was that there are good developmental reasons that children engage in war play so I suggested, along with the expert whom I interviewed, that we allow children to engage in this type of play. Some time later I realized that it may not be safe for all children to engage in war play, and I was embarrassed to say that I didn’t consider that issue at the time. Since then I’ve made a much more conscious effort to consider issues related to race in my episodes, which can take the form of acknowledging when research results simply might not be applicable to how people from certain cultures raise their children, to noting when even the research questions that are asked don’t consider important cultural issues. I’m also planning a series of episodes on racial issues that intersect with parenting, starting with what it means to be a White parent in America and how we can navigate issues of race with our children. I’m the first to admit that I’m not an expert in this regard, so I hope that people of color will forgive any missteps that I might make as I attempt to...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[I always thought the infant phase would be the hardest part of parenting, when all the baby does is eat and sleep and cry.  Now I have a toddler I’m finding it’s <em>harder</em> than having a baby, some of the support systems that I had when she was a baby aren’t there any more, and the parenting skills I need are totally different.  How do I even know what I need to learn to not mess up this parenting thing?  Should I go back to school to try to figure it all out?

In this episode I’ll tell you the history and principles behind the podcast and what we’ll learn together.

Note: When I revamped the website I decided that after two years of shows, some of the information in this episode was out of date.  I recently re-recorded it to highlight the resources I’ve created for you.

Please do subscribe to the show by entering your name and email address in the box below to receive updates when new podcast episodes and blog posts are published, as well as calls for questions and occasional requests for co-interviewers.  And if you’d like to continue the conversation, come join us in the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2174808219425589/">Your Parenting Mojo Facebook Group</a>!

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Hello and welcome to episode 000 of Your Parenting Mojo – the podcast that aims to bring you rigorously researched information and distill it into a toolkit you can actually use to support your child’s development, and make parenting easier on yourself. I’m your host, Jen Lumanlan, and I originally recorded this episode in August of 2016 when the show launched. But by the time October 2018 rolled around I’d been recording for two years and a lot of the information in this episode was out of date so I decided to re-record, keeping the parts that are still relevant and adjusting the parts that had changed.
So in this episode, called Parenting Philosophy, I’ll share a bit about my background and what I believe about parenting, because I find that most people who put information out there make you do the work of trying to see how your beliefs and theirs fit together, and instead I want you to understand where I’m coming from and how this fits with your approach to parenting.
I never thought I’d be a parent, but it happened on purpose and not by accident. My daughter is named Carys, which means “one who loves and is loved.” She was born in June 2014 (in case I forget to mention how old she is in future episodes).
Before Carys was born I spent a lot of time on my birth plan, figuring I had 18 years to work out how to be a parent. When I finally got my act together I discovered the wealth of information about babies that’s available when your main concerns are related to feeding and sleeping, and our first year progressed fairly uneventfully. Carys slept through the night early, was not at all resistant to trying new foods, and after she got over some initial gassiness, was generally fairly easy to be around.
A lot of the advice on parenting an infant expires around age 12 months when the child is really mobile and interested in investigating the world and I was left feeling “now what?” So I started to do a lot of reading, and in the process of doing that reading and telling other people about it (but only when they asked me!) I realized I was having fun. So I decided to start a podcast so I could share what I’m learning with other people in a format that you can do while multitasking – commuting, working out, walking the dog, whatever – because goodness knows, you don’t need something *else* to read about how to be a parent.
Two principles underlie this podcast.
First – respectful parenting, also known as Resources for Infant Educarers or RIE. I actually held off on doing an episode on RIE for a long time because I didn’t want my listeners to think I was some kind of crazy hippy before I had many episodes out, but I did finally record two episodes on this – the first one is an overview of what RIE is, and since it actually wasn’t designed based on scientific research, the second episode takes a deep dive into what aspects of it are supported by the research base.
RIE’s advice officially runs though age 2, when most adults find it easier to treat kids with respect anyway – maybe partly because they can answer back. But even though I felt like RIE provided solid ground underneath me, what is above me? What is the universe of issues I need to know about and make decisions about?
This brings me to the second principle behind this podcast: scientific research wherever it is available. There are a lot of ways of knowing the world – for example, those related to our culture and our beliefs and even the things we know about ourselves and about the people we’re close to. But science offers us a LOT of information on parenting and child development, if we can read it critically and understand its limitations as well as its strengths. So in the show we call out small sample sizes and bias caused by sampling middle class White children and extrapolating the results as if they were applicable to children everywhere, and papers where what’s said in the conclusions section doesn’t match what’s said in the results section, which happens more often than you might think.
I also try to layer the importance of culture onto these two principles, which we typically do using anthropological studies on people outside of Western cultures in an attempt to understand whether the problems we face with our children are related to the way we raise our children, or whether they’re inherent to how children develop. As an example, encouraging artistic ability is a very affluent western cultural thing to do. It’s closely linked with individuality, which in some cultures is seen as less desirable than promoting group cohesion.
Increasingly we borrow from other cultures – baby wearing and elimination communication are two things that come to mind – without always fully considering the implications of how to incorporate these ideas into our lives. Traditional baby wearers come from cultures where lots of people wear the baby, not just the mother, and the baby has an attachment to many people, not one primary person. EC is practiced in countries where diapers are not available or affordable and where a five-year-old child may be the infant’s main caregiver. I’m not critical of any approach to parenting or anyone who uses a particular approach (actually the only thing I’m critical of is selling things that are “necessary” for a child’s wellbeing or development), but I do think we should consider the implications of our choices. Some mothers who try baby-wearing in places where there aren’t 10 other family members around to take turns can become exhausted. EC doesn’t always but can lead to chronic holding of poop. Why do we people from “western, educated, industrialized, rich democracies” (WEIRD) countries look to science and to other cultures for our parenting advice? I think it is in large part because we are so physically, mentally, and emotionally separated from our own parents and extended families. Nobody is telling us how to parent, so we have to figure it out for ourselves – and relying on the scientific approach seems like a good way to do it. Also importantly, I think many people of my generation don’t 100% agree with the strategies their parents used to raise them – probably much as our parents disagreed with our grandparents. So science can help us to understand our child’s development so we can support that process in a way that aligns with our values.
One thing I see is that there are SO MANY parenting books available, all coming from different positions, some supported extensively by scientific research and others formed by nothing more than someone’s opinions; how do I as a parent figure out how to integrate them? They often have tactics that might work, but I always need to keep in mind how the tactics relate to the strategy. And there’s so much research being done in the academic arena that never makes it to parents because it just sits in a journal unless it can be ‘spun’ by the media into something clickbait-worthy. To put a framework around all this research I decided to go back to school and get a Masters in Psychology, focusing on child development, which was still underway when I started the show but which I’ve now finished. The lessons I learned during my degree help me to make sure that I’m not missing anything major as I look to understand – and help you understand – the deep dive into the research that we do in each episode.
I did an episode on why we shouldn’t ban war play relatively early on, and the conclusion of that episode was that there are good developmental reasons that children engage in war play so I suggested, along with the expert whom I interviewed, that we allow children to engage in this type of play. Some time later I realized that it may not be safe for all children to engage in war play, and I was embarrassed to say that I didn’t consider that issue at the time. Since then I’ve made a much more conscious effort to consider issues related to race in my episodes, which can take the form of acknowledging when research results simply might not be applicable to how people from certain cultures raise their children, to noting when even the research questions that are asked don’t consider important cultural issues. I’m also planning a series of episodes on racial issues that intersect with parenting, starting with what it means to be a White parent in America and how we can navigate issues of race with our children. I’m the first to admit that I’m not an expert in this regard, so I hope that people of color will forgive any missteps that I might make as I attempt to cast a light on something that I think most parents of the dominant culture – myself included – haven’t given as much thought to as we probably should have done.
The show focuses on the period starting just beyond the infant’s first year, because most parents are concerned with eating and sleeping and pooping in that year and there’s a *lot* of advice already available on those topics. Information related to toddlers usually focuses on discipline and getting the child to do what you want – and I think there’s a much larger scope of conversation to be had than this. By now I have over 70 episodes on topics like building early literacy skills, encouraging artistic ability, how to tell whether your child is lying to you, how to raise girls with a healthy body image and how to raise emotionally healthy boys, and how you can do what’s called “scaffolding” your child’s learning.
My episodes are rigorously researched, with citations included on the show notes page of each individual episode on my website at Your Parenting Mojo.com. They usually take me between 10 and 40 hours to research – the interview ones tend to be on the shorter side because we’re looking at a defined body of work, while the longest one so far has been about two weeks of work sorting out the mess of claims and research related to self-regulation.
I won’t ever tell you about some amazing study just published that says we’ve been parenting wrong all these years without linking it to the rest of the literature and examining it from all sides. I won’t ever send you an email with the subject line “developmental delays” (like I received from one parenting website that will remain unnamed) designed to scare you into clicking through to see if your child has signs of developmental delays. Instead I’ll tell you what the literature says and will suggest some tools coming out of that research that you might consider using with your own children.
Since I finished the Master’s in Psychology I also picked up another Master’s in Education because I wanted to learn more about that as well. My thesis for the psychology degree was on how children learn in the absence of a curriculum, and coming out of that I became convinced that homeschooling would be the right approach to learning for Carys. Enough people asked me the same questions about homeschooling that I actually created a course to help parents decide whether homeschooling could be right for their family. But not everyone can or wants to homeschool, and in recognition of that my thesis for the Master’s in Education was on what parents can do to support their children’s learning in school by working within the existing school systems and outside of them as well.
I offer consults to parents who are struggling with a specific issue related to parenting or child development and, as with all of my work, apply scientific research to this as well. When you sign up for a consult you actually receive a couple of hours of my thinking and reading on the topic, and then we talk for 50 minutes which usually generates a substantial number of ideas and insights to address the problem. Then afterward you receive a recording of our session (if you decided it would be helpful to you), and a summary sheet describing the major action items we discussed so you can quickly refer back to it when you need a refresher but don’t want to watch the whole recording again. You can find information about all of these extra products on the Resources tab on my website – there’s a page linking to more information on the courses, and another on consults.
I’ve also launched a membership group for parents who want to see something between an adjustment and a transformational shift in their approach to parenting in a group called Finding Your Parenting Mojo. In the first three months we dramatically reduce the incidence of tantrums at your house, then we take a step back and look at our goals for parenting so we can make sure our daily interactions with our children support those goals (it’s surprising how often there’s a disconnect there!) and work on getting on the same page with our co-parent. After that we pick topics to work on based on the group’s interests. The group opens to new members about every 4-6 months. There’s a link on the Resources tab to the Membership group as well; if you go to that page and the sign-up link is active, then do feel free to join us. If there’s no sign-up link then the group is currently closed to new members, but do feel free to download the free guide called How to stop using rewards to gain your child’s compliance, which will give you a taste of how the group operates.
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<strong>References</strong>

(On the topic of Reggio Emilia): Edwards, C., Gandini, L., &amp; Forman, G. (Eds). (2012). The hundred languages of children. Santa Barbara: Praeger

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(On the topic of Resources for Infant Educarers/RIE): Gerber, M. &amp; Johnson, A. (1988). Your self-confident baby. New York: Wiley

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